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older people they're often now on poly

older people they're often now on poly
Pharmacy so they're taking multiple

Pharmacy so they're taking multiple

Pharmacy so they're taking multiple
drugs many of those drugs are trying to

drugs many of those drugs are trying to

drugs many of those drugs are trying to
deal with side effects of other drugs um

deal with side effects of other drugs um

deal with side effects of other drugs um
and none of them are dealing with the

and none of them are dealing with the

and none of them are dealing with the
root cause of the problem so tailored

root cause of the problem so tailored

root cause of the problem so tailored
nutrition using um a science that we

nutrition using um a science that we

nutrition using um a science that we
call

call

call
metabolomics um actually is where the

metabolomics um actually is where the

metabolomics um actually is where the
real movement is happening but

real movement is happening but

real movement is happening but
unfortunately if you reduce the option

unfortunately if you reduce the option

unfortunately if you reduce the option
and the opportunities to use particular

and the opportunities to use particular

and the opportunities to use particular
ingredients to use high enough dosages

ingredients to use high enough dosages

ingredients to use high enough dosages
and you also control what you can say

and you also control what you can say

and you also control what you can say
about these nutrients it's very

about these nutrients it's very

about these nutrients it's very
difficult for that system to

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welcome Dr Robert

welcome Dr Robert

welcome Dr Robert
verer you are actually a Dutchman but

verer you are actually a Dutchman but

verer you are actually a Dutchman but
you were brought up in the UK so we do

you were brought up in the UK so we do

you were brought up in the UK so we do
the interview in English for me a little

the interview in English for me a little

the interview in English for me a little
a little bit difficult but I'll try to

a little bit difficult but I'll try to

a little bit difficult but I'll try to
do my best first of all uh can you

do my best first of all uh can you

do my best first of all uh can you
explain to our audience who are you what

explain to our audience who are you what

explain to our audience who are you what
are you doing Flavio it's an absolute

are you doing Flavio it's an absolute

are you doing Flavio it's an absolute
pleasure to be with you and I for

pleasure to be with you and I for

pleasure to be with you and I for
someone who carries a Dutch passport um

someone who carries a Dutch passport um

someone who carries a Dutch passport um
you have to forgive me for uh not being

you have to forgive me for uh not being

you have to forgive me for uh not being
able to speak very much of the language

able to speak very much of the language

able to speak very much of the language
um both my parents are Dutch my brother

um both my parents are Dutch my brother

um both my parents are Dutch my brother
is um the well-known um filmmaker the

is um the well-known um filmmaker the

is um the well-known um filmmaker the
new Wilderness the vilder stud he's the

new Wilderness the vilder stud he's the

new Wilderness the vilder stud he's the
director behind that and recently a film

director behind that and recently a film

director behind that and recently a film
great work yeah so um and we've always

great work yeah so um and we've always

great work yeah so um and we've always
had this passion for for nature so um I

had this passion for for nature so um I

had this passion for for nature so um I
have followed it as a scientist he's

have followed it as a scientist he's

have followed it as a scientist he's
followed it as a filmmaker we're still

followed it as a filmmaker we're still

followed it as a filmmaker we're still
very close and obviously he has lived

very close and obviously he has lived

very close and obviously he has lived
back in the Netherlands for the last 30

back in the Netherlands for the last 30

back in the Netherlands for the last 30
years we were both born and brought up

years we were both born and brought up

years we were both born and brought up
in Africa actually and then we were sent

in Africa actually and then we were sent

in Africa actually and then we were sent
to schools in Britain we both went to

to schools in Britain we both went to

to schools in Britain we both went to
Australia he came back to the

Australia he came back to the

Australia he came back to the
Netherlands and I continued my academic

Netherlands and I continued my academic

Netherlands and I continued my academic
career um in the UK at a University

career um in the UK at a University

career um in the UK at a University
Imperial College London and it was um

Imperial College London and it was um

Imperial College London and it was um
during those years of research that I um

during those years of research that I um

during those years of research that I um
as a sustainability scientist working

as a sustainability scientist working

as a sustainability scientist working
particularly in agricultural

particularly in agricultural

particularly in agricultural
sustainability I developed a very strong

sustainability I developed a very strong

sustainability I developed a very strong
interest in how food can be used for

interest in how food can be used for

interest in how food can be used for
health and I was pretty stunned that

health and I was pretty stunned that

health and I was pretty stunned that
many of the the Medics the medically

many of the the Medics the medically

many of the the Medics the medically
trained

trained

trained
either doctors or scientists at Imperial

either doctors or scientists at Imperial

either doctors or scientists at Imperial
College had no interest in food and uh I

College had no interest in food and uh I

College had no interest in food and uh I
remember a particular moment talking to

remember a particular moment talking to

remember a particular moment talking to
a leading oncologist at Imperial College

a leading oncologist at Imperial College

a leading oncologist at Imperial College
saying you know we are discovering these

saying you know we are discovering these

saying you know we are discovering these
particular compounds in cruciferous

particular compounds in cruciferous

particular compounds in cruciferous
vegetables the cabbages kale broccoli

vegetables the cabbages kale broccoli

vegetables the cabbages kale broccoli
Etc that have remarkable ability to

Etc that have remarkable ability to

Etc that have remarkable ability to
eliminate the need for pesticides

eliminate the need for pesticides

eliminate the need for pesticides
because they provide natural resistance

because they provide natural resistance

because they provide natural resistance
against insect pests for example but we

against insect pests for example but we

against insect pests for example but we
also discovered they have really

also discovered they have really

also discovered they have really
profound benefits in terms of reducing

profound benefits in terms of reducing

profound benefits in terms of reducing
the risk of cancer and the oncologist

the risk of cancer and the oncologist

the risk of cancer and the oncologist
looked at me saying no no no no we use

looked at me saying no no no no we use

looked at me saying no no no no we use
chemotherapy radiotherapy and surgery

chemotherapy radiotherapy and surgery

chemotherapy radiotherapy and surgery
that's what we do with cancer and so

that's what we do with cancer and so

that's what we do with cancer and so
that was in about the year 2000 and um

that was in about the year 2000 and um

that was in about the year 2000 and um
when I was offered a permanent position

when I was offered a permanent position

when I was offered a permanent position
in 2002 I had already

in 2002 I had already

in 2002 I had already
um started having much more of a

um started having much more of a

um started having much more of a
connection to the nutrition industry

connection to the nutrition industry

connection to the nutrition industry
around the world and um and then of

around the world and um and then of

around the world and um and then of
course we started seeing the beginning

course we started seeing the beginning

course we started seeing the beginning
of this Rampage of European law that was

of this Rampage of European law that was

of this Rampage of European law that was
going to regulate nutrition so I came

going to regulate nutrition so I came

going to regulate nutrition so I came
out of my academic I walked away turned

out of my academic I walked away turned

out of my academic I walked away turned
down a permanent position there to

down a permanent position there to

down a permanent position there to
start if you like fighting challenging

start if you like fighting challenging

start if you like fighting challenging
this Cascade of European laws that was

this Cascade of European laws that was

this Cascade of European laws that was
trying to restrict Natural Health and

trying to restrict Natural Health and

trying to restrict Natural Health and
that's actually why you're here in the

that's actually why you're here in the

that's actually why you're here in the
Netherlands because I got a message from

Netherlands because I got a message from

Netherlands because I got a message from
your colleague and he said Robert is in

your colleague and he said Robert is in

your colleague and he said Robert is in
the Netherlands because he's talking to

the Netherlands because he's talking to

the Netherlands because he's talking to
lawyers what what are you fighting for

lawyers what what are you fighting for

lawyers what what are you fighting for
well in those days we were fighting for

well in those days we were fighting for

well in those days we were fighting for
to protect natural sources of vitamins

to protect natural sources of vitamins

to protect natural sources of vitamins
you many of the vitamins that companies

you many of the vitamins that companies

you many of the vitamins that companies
are using are in fact synthetic they're

are using are in fact synthetic they're

are using are in fact synthetic they're
not the same as the ones we find in food

not the same as the ones we find in food

not the same as the ones we find in food
and that was our original case um now

and that was our original case um now

and that was our original case um now
we're dealing with the fact that the

we're dealing with the fact that the

we're dealing with the fact that the
European authorities are planning to

European authorities are planning to

European authorities are planning to
restrict the dosages of vitamins that

restrict the dosages of vitamins that

restrict the dosages of vitamins that
you can find in commercial products and

you can find in commercial products and

you can find in commercial products and
um with some it's okay with others there

um with some it's okay with others there

um with some it's okay with others there
could be profound problems and what

could be profound problems and what

could be profound problems and what
we're here to be looking at is

we're here to be looking at is

we're here to be looking at is
particularly challenging it over their

particularly challenging it over their

particularly challenging it over their
decision to limit vitamin B6 one of the

decision to limit vitamin B6 one of the

decision to limit vitamin B6 one of the
key vitamins um because the European

key vitamins um because the European

key vitamins um because the European
food safety author Authority that sets

food safety author Authority that sets

food safety author Authority that sets
what are called um upper limits for

what are called um upper limits for

what are called um upper limits for
vitamins has come up with a what we

vitamins has come up with a what we

vitamins has come up with a what we
think is a scientifically ludicrous low

think is a scientifically ludicrous low

think is a scientifically ludicrous low
level of 12 migr which the Dutch

level of 12 migr which the Dutch

level of 12 migr which the Dutch
authorities will be forced to limit even

authorities will be forced to limit even

authorities will be forced to limit even
further once they um you know that's

further once they um you know that's

further once they um you know that's
from Total intake so Food Plus

from Total intake so Food Plus

from Total intake so Food Plus
supplements and um so what we're going

supplements and um so what we're going

supplements and um so what we're going
to be seeing is this conditioning of the

to be seeing is this conditioning of the

to be seeing is this conditioning of the
Dutch public and the European public to

Dutch public and the European public to

Dutch public and the European public to
the reasons why vitamin supplements are

the reasons why vitamin supplements are

the reasons why vitamin supplements are
bad so when the laws come through

bad so when the laws come through

bad so when the laws come through
possibly as early as next year or at

possibly as early as next year or at

possibly as early as next year or at
least the proposals will come through

least the proposals will come through

least the proposals will come through
next year um the public will just accept

next year um the public will just accept

next year um the public will just accept
them but isn't it ironic then that on

them but isn't it ironic then that on

them but isn't it ironic then that on
the national television we've been

the national television we've been

the national television we've been
seeing uh a lot of information about it

seeing uh a lot of information about it

seeing uh a lot of information about it
even uh Aran lubach a famous talk show

even uh Aran lubach a famous talk show

even uh Aran lubach a famous talk show
in the nin um also humorous is focusing

in the nin um also humorous is focusing

in the nin um also humorous is focusing
on this subject and he's trying to

on this subject and he's trying to

on this subject and he's trying to
explain people that it's useless and

explain people that it's useless and

explain people that it's useless and
also dangerous to use these high amounts

also dangerous to use these high amounts

also dangerous to use these high amounts
of supplements let's just look at a

okay yeah it seems that there is a

okay yeah it seems that there is a
scientific consensus that it's not

scientific consensus that it's not

scientific consensus that it's not
useful and it's only useful for specific

useful and it's only useful for specific

useful and it's only useful for specific
groups like pregnant women uh so don't

groups like pregnant women uh so don't

groups like pregnant women uh so don't
use it that's what he's saying

use it that's what he's saying

use it that's what he's saying
absolutely it depends where you measure

absolutely it depends where you measure

absolutely it depends where you measure
that consensus and of course um the

that consensus and of course um the

that consensus and of course um the
bottom line is the pointer Institute is

bottom line is the pointer Institute is

bottom line is the pointer Institute is
very involved with the pharmaceutical

very involved with the pharmaceutical

very involved with the pharmaceutical
interests and um that's a position

interests and um that's a position

interests and um that's a position
that's been held for a long time and a

that's been held for a long time and a

that's been held for a long time and a
lot of the problem is caused by what you

lot of the problem is caused by what you

lot of the problem is caused by what you
decide is adequate so when they look at

decide is adequate so when they look at

decide is adequate so when they look at
adequacy so in in the Netherlands rivm

adequacy so in in the Netherlands rivm

adequacy so in in the Netherlands rivm
is the agency that's looking at

is the agency that's looking at

is the agency that's looking at
surveying the Dutch population um they

surveying the Dutch population um they

surveying the Dutch population um they
will say in most groups um they are

will say in most groups um they are

will say in most groups um they are
receiving sufficient nutrients from

receiving sufficient nutrients from

receiving sufficient nutrients from
their diet alone now the levels that

their diet alone now the levels that

their diet alone now the levels that
they consider to be sufficient are based

they consider to be sufficient are based

they consider to be sufficient are based
on what are called reference nutrient

on what are called reference nutrient

on what are called reference nutrient
intakes that are about the amounts that

intakes that are about the amounts that

intakes that are about the amounts that
you need to prevent deficiency diseases

you need to prevent deficiency diseases

you need to prevent deficiency diseases
they have nothing to do with Peak

they have nothing to do with Peak

they have nothing to do with Peak
Performance or

Performance or

Performance or
protecting your risk against long-term

protecting your risk against long-term

protecting your risk against long-term
diseases or degenerative diseases but on

diseases or degenerative diseases but on

diseases or degenerative diseases but on
the other hands it's also uh

the other hands it's also uh

the other hands it's also uh
understandable that you need a regulator

understandable that you need a regulator

understandable that you need a regulator
to to decide what is the doses to use

to to decide what is the doses to use

to to decide what is the doses to use
correct yeah absolutely so so the the

correct yeah absolutely so so the the

correct yeah absolutely so so the the
difficulty is The Regulators have been

difficulty is The Regulators have been

difficulty is The Regulators have been
now is getting onto close to 20 years

now is getting onto close to 20 years

now is getting onto close to 20 years
trying to work out a methodology that

trying to work out a methodology that

trying to work out a methodology that
makes sense and um the supplement

makes sense and um the supplement

makes sense and um the supplement
industry has presented some models um

industry has presented some models um

industry has presented some models um
the European Food Safety Authority that

the European Food Safety Authority that

the European Food Safety Authority that
is the highest competent Authority on

is the highest competent Authority on

is the highest competent Authority on
food in the European Union has um been

food in the European Union has um been

food in the European Union has um been
considering these um and and of course

considering these um and and of course

considering these um and and of course
we as one of the key independent players

we as one of the key independent players

we as one of the key independent players
have also been we've scientifically

have also been we've scientifically

have also been we've scientifically
criticized we published um major

criticized we published um major

criticized we published um major
research papers

research papers

research papers
criticizing the science that is being

criticizing the science that is being

criticizing the science that is being
considered and what's happened is this

considered and what's happened is this

considered and what's happened is this
this has delayed the process for now

this has delayed the process for now

this has delayed the process for now
almost two decades um and one of one of

almost two decades um and one of one of

almost two decades um and one of one of
our interests was to say well if we're

our interests was to say well if we're

our interests was to say well if we're
going to have a system that is going to

going to have a system that is going to

going to have a system that is going to
affect the doses we can all take but

affect the doses we can all take but

affect the doses we can all take but
probably more importantly will be in

probably more importantly will be in

probably more importantly will be in
place to affect the doses that our

place to affect the doses that our

place to affect the doses that our
children and our children children it

children and our children children it

children and our children children it
needs to be scientifically correct it

needs to be scientifically correct it

needs to be scientifically correct it
needs to be scientifically robust um and

needs to be scientifically robust um and

needs to be scientifically robust um and
that's why we have gone to an

that's why we have gone to an

that's why we have gone to an
independent

independent

independent
organization um that was tno in the

organization um that was tno in the

organization um that was tno in the
Netherlands um and they have developed a

Netherlands um and they have developed a

Netherlands um and they have developed a
risk benefit system let's face it you

risk benefit system let's face it you

risk benefit system let's face it you
know everything that we consume has a

know everything that we consume has a

know everything that we consume has a
risk and usually it has a benefit but

risk and usually it has a benefit but

risk and usually it has a benefit but
the difficulty with the models that they

the difficulty with the models that they

the difficulty with the models that they
have been working on at a European level

have been working on at a European level

have been working on at a European level
is that they're just taking a

is that they're just taking a

is that they're just taking a
toxicological view of it that they Let's

toxicological view of it that they Let's

toxicological view of it that they Let's
ignore benefit and we'll only consider

ignore benefit and we'll only consider

ignore benefit and we'll only consider
risk and if we see any kind of risk

risk and if we see any kind of risk

risk and if we see any kind of risk
we'll just stop you being able to access

we'll just stop you being able to access

we'll just stop you being able to access
it so if we did that with a normal food

it so if we did that with a normal food

it so if we did that with a normal food
supply we'd say guys we have to ban

supply we'd say guys we have to ban

supply we'd say guys we have to ban
wheat grains milk because you know if if

wheat grains milk because you know if if

wheat grains milk because you know if if
we just take um gluten as a component of

we just take um gluten as a component of

we just take um gluten as a component of
many grains um there are 1% of the

many grains um there are 1% of the

many grains um there are 1% of the
population that have celiac disease

population that have celiac disease

population that have celiac disease
there's probably 20% or even more who

there's probably 20% or even more who

there's probably 20% or even more who
have something we call non Celiac gluten

have something we call non Celiac gluten

have something we call non Celiac gluten
sensitivity there the people who don't

sensitivity there the people who don't

sensitivity there the people who don't
come up as being Celiac but they often

come up as being Celiac but they often

come up as being Celiac but they often
feel bloated and they're the people

feel bloated and they're the people

feel bloated and they're the people
going to the free from aisles in the

going to the free from aisles in the

going to the free from aisles in the
supermarket buying all that gluten-free

supermarket buying all that gluten-free

supermarket buying all that gluten-free
food so what should a regulator do well

food so what should a regulator do well

food so what should a regulator do well
what it decides to do is to put a a

what it decides to do is to put a a

what it decides to do is to put a a
warning label on telling them in bold

warning label on telling them in bold

warning label on telling them in bold
and this has been agreed at the EU level

and this has been agreed at the EU level

and this has been agreed at the EU level
that um it's got this particular

that um it's got this particular

that um it's got this particular
component in it that you can choose to

component in it that you can choose to

component in it that you can choose to
have or you can choose to avoid so the

have or you can choose to avoid so the

have or you can choose to avoid so the
consumer has the choice has the choice

consumer has the choice has the choice

consumer has the choice has the choice
yeah and and that's exactly the process

yeah and and that's exactly the process

yeah and and that's exactly the process
that we would move to if we're able to

that we would move to if we're able to

that we would move to if we're able to
implement this risk benefit model so

implement this risk benefit model so

implement this risk benefit model so
actually the reason that I'm here in the

actually the reason that I'm here in the

actually the reason that I'm here in the
Netherlands at the moment is because

Netherlands at the moment is because

Netherlands at the moment is because
we're talking to lawyers about the

we're talking to lawyers about the

we're talking to lawyers about the
possibility um when the EU comes through

possibility um when the EU comes through

possibility um when the EU comes through
with a plan to limit high doses of of of

with a plan to limit high doses of of of

with a plan to limit high doses of of of
vitamins and minerals that we are likely

vitamins and minerals that we are likely

vitamins and minerals that we are likely
to take a legal action to effectively

to take a legal action to effectively

to take a legal action to effectively
invite the courts to use why do you want

invite the courts to use why do you want

invite the courts to use why do you want
to prevent that happening um we want to

to prevent that happening um we want to

to prevent that happening um we want to
prevent that because in many cases um

prevent that because in many cases um

prevent that because in many cases um
taking well above the nutrient reference

taking well above the nutrient reference

taking well above the nutrient reference
value

value

value
can provide um the safest alternative

can provide um the safest alternative

can provide um the safest alternative
for people who want to Pro promote their

for people who want to Pro promote their

for people who want to Pro promote their
own health and protect their own health

own health and protect their own health

own health and protect their own health
and um at the moment the the system is

and um at the moment the the system is

and um at the moment the the system is
really caught in a in a place where they

really caught in a in a place where they

really caught in a in a place where they
only want you to take vitamins that

only want you to take vitamins that

only want you to take vitamins that
prevent you getting deficiency diseases

prevent you getting deficiency diseases

prevent you getting deficiency diseases
and they don't want you to use them for

and they don't want you to use them for

and they don't want you to use them for
health promotion and health promotion

health promotion and health promotion

health promotion and health promotion
involves is actually how our health

involves is actually how our health

involves is actually how our health
system in general Works a doctor only

system in general Works a doctor only

system in general Works a doctor only
helps you when you're sick not helping

helps you when you're sick not helping

helps you when you're sick not helping
you to prevent yeah disease and and we

you to prevent yeah disease and and we

you to prevent yeah disease and and we
we have aging population so we got a

we have aging population so we got a

we have aging population so we got a
real problem in society aging

real problem in society aging

real problem in society aging
populations we've got a burden of

populations we've got a burden of

populations we've got a burden of
diseases from cancer heart disease

diseases from cancer heart disease

diseases from cancer heart disease
metabolic diseases um and diseases of

metabolic diseases um and diseases of

metabolic diseases um and diseases of
the Aging neurological system like

the Aging neurological system like

the Aging neurological system like
dementia and Alzheimer's um that there

dementia and Alzheimer's um that there

dementia and Alzheimer's um that there
is no magic drug you can take for those

is no magic drug you can take for those

is no magic drug you can take for those
the drug companies have spent billions

the drug companies have spent billions

the drug companies have spent billions
on it and they haven't found because

on it and they haven't found because

on it and they haven't found because
these are complex diseases that have

these are complex diseases that have

these are complex diseases that have
social um and environmental determinants

social um and environmental determinants

social um and environmental determinants
and the diet is actually one of the most

and the diet is actually one of the most

and the diet is actually one of the most
important determinant and our our food

important determinant and our our food

important determinant and our our food
system has become ever more globalized

system has become ever more globalized

system has become ever more globalized
we're finding different ways of

we're finding different ways of

we're finding different ways of
producing food so for example um

producing food so for example um

producing food so for example um
hydroponic you know aquaculture is is

hydroponic you know aquaculture is is

hydroponic you know aquaculture is is
now a very common method for producing

now a very common method for producing

now a very common method for producing
fruits and vegetables that we're told

fruits and vegetables that we're told

fruits and vegetables that we're told
you know we can get pretty much

you know we can get pretty much

you know we can get pretty much
everything we need from a a plant-based

everything we need from a a plant-based

everything we need from a a plant-based
diet but if they're not grown in a

diet but if they're not grown in a

diet but if they're not grown in a
living soil the composition of those

living soil the composition of those

living soil the composition of those
fruits and vegetables are very different

fruits and vegetables are very different

fruits and vegetables are very different
from one that's grown in aquaculture so

from one that's grown in aquaculture so

from one that's grown in aquaculture so
it becomes a concern I mean essentially

it becomes a concern I mean essentially

it becomes a concern I mean essentially
Choice gives us the opportunity for

Choice gives us the opportunity for

Choice gives us the opportunity for
people who want to go down the drug

people who want to go down the drug

people who want to go down the drug
route but there are a lot of people now

route but there are a lot of people now

route but there are a lot of people now
who want to self-care they want to look

who want to self-care they want to look

who want to self-care they want to look
after themselves in the best possible

after themselves in the best possible

after themselves in the best possible
POS way we all live lives that from an

POS way we all live lives that from an

POS way we all live lives that from an
evolutionary perspective are not well

evolutionary perspective are not well

evolutionary perspective are not well
adapted to our genes you know our genes

adapted to our genes you know our genes

adapted to our genes you know our genes
are relatively unchanged for the last

are relatively unchanged for the last

are relatively unchanged for the last
20,000 years so we're all struggling to

20,000 years so we're all struggling to

20,000 years so we're all struggling to
adapt to the high-paced life the poor

adapt to the high-paced life the poor

adapt to the high-paced life the poor
diets the um amount of Psychosocial

diets the um amount of Psychosocial

diets the um amount of Psychosocial
stress we're exposed to and if you throw

stress we're exposed to and if you throw

stress we're exposed to and if you throw
in um a pandemic on top of that um or a

in um a pandemic on top of that um or a

in um a pandemic on top of that um or a
climate change crisis you induce more

climate change crisis you induce more

climate change crisis you induce more
and more stress in the population and um

and more stress in the population and um

and more stress in the population and um
orthomolecular medicine that has very

orthomolecular medicine that has very

orthomolecular medicine that has very
strong roots in the Netherlands actually

strong roots in the Netherlands actually

strong roots in the Netherlands actually
came about by some of the um original

came about by some of the um original

came about by some of the um original
work that was started before the second

work that was started before the second

work that was started before the second
world war and then moved really

world war and then moved really

world war and then moved really
progressed in the 50s and 60s um by

progressed in the 50s and 60s um by

progressed in the 50s and 60s um by
doctors Carl Fifer and Abram Hofer where

doctors Carl Fifer and Abram Hofer where

doctors Carl Fifer and Abram Hofer where
they were looking at high do nutrients

they were looking at high do nutrients

they were looking at high do nutrients
to protect the brain and balance

to protect the brain and balance

to protect the brain and balance
neurotransmitter levels to prevent um

neurotransmitter levels to prevent um

neurotransmitter levels to prevent um
you know conditions such as anxiety

you know conditions such as anxiety

you know conditions such as anxiety
depression um bipolar disorder and we

depression um bipolar disorder and we

depression um bipolar disorder and we
now really have a a mental health

now really have a a mental health

now really have a a mental health
problem that um is being given a

problem that um is being given a

problem that um is being given a
Band-Aid solution with SSRI drugs that

Band-Aid solution with SSRI drugs that

Band-Aid solution with SSRI drugs that
can in younger people significantly

can in younger people significantly

can in younger people significantly
increase suicide risk it's written as

increase suicide risk it's written as

increase suicide risk it's written as
one of the potential side effects on the

one of the potential side effects on the

one of the potential side effects on the
label and they doctors and psychiatrists

label and they doctors and psychiatrists

label and they doctors and psychiatrists
handing these things out like Smarties

handing these things out like Smarties

handing these things out like Smarties
when in fact there's a really solid B

when in fact there's a really solid B

when in fact there's a really solid B
body of clinical evidence to suggest

body of clinical evidence to suggest

body of clinical evidence to suggest
that high do nutrients will be very very

that high do nutrients will be very very

that high do nutrients will be very very
protective for for people who have

protective for for people who have

protective for for people who have
neurotransmitter imbalances that lead to

neurotransmitter imbalances that lead to

neurotransmitter imbalances that lead to
anxiety and depression as well as

anxiety and depression as well as

anxiety and depression as well as
protecting aging populations from

protecting aging populations from

protecting aging populations from
Alzheimer's now if the EU passes these

Alzheimer's now if the EU passes these

Alzheimer's now if the EU passes these
laws the kind of levels you

laws the kind of levels you

laws the kind of levels you
need will not be allowed and it's it's

need will not be allowed and it's it's

need will not be allowed and it's it's
it's kind of worse than that because of

it's kind of worse than that because of

it's kind of worse than that because of
course you can take more capsules um

course you can take more capsules um

course you can take more capsules um
what can happen then is sometimes you

what can happen then is sometimes you

what can happen then is sometimes you
can get an imbalance between different

can get an imbalance between different

can get an imbalance between different
nutrients so you can't necessarily just

nutrients so you can't necessarily just

nutrients so you can't necessarily just
because you want five times more dose of

because you want five times more dose of

because you want five times more dose of
one nutrient it may create a problem for

one nutrient it may create a problem for

one nutrient it may create a problem for
one that has a different risk profile so

one that has a different risk profile so

one that has a different risk profile so
vitamin B12 has a very different risk

vitamin B12 has a very different risk

vitamin B12 has a very different risk
profile say to selenium because they are

profile say to selenium because they are

profile say to selenium because they are
all compressed together yeah exactly um

all compressed together yeah exactly um

all compressed together yeah exactly um
but also different people need different

but also different people need different

but also different people need different
amounts so the the kind of choices this

amounts so the the kind of choices this

amounts so the the kind of choices this
is one of the reasons that if we want to

is one of the reasons that if we want to

is one of the reasons that if we want to
build um health systems that really

build um health systems that really

build um health systems that really
regenerate Health we need people to have

regenerate Health we need people to have

regenerate Health we need people to have
access to products and we also need um

access to products and we also need um

access to products and we also need um
practitioners and medical doctors who

practitioners and medical doctors who

practitioners and medical doctors who
understand the levels that we need and

understand the levels that we need and

understand the levels that we need and
right now I think how come you're so

right now I think how come you're so

right now I think how come you're so
convinced that we cannot uh find these

convinced that we cannot uh find these

convinced that we cannot uh find these
uh these uh supplements in our natural

uh these uh supplements in our natural

uh these uh supplements in our natural
food is it not possible to do that it is

food is it not possible to do that it is

food is it not possible to do that it is
theoretically possible to do that and um

theoretically possible to do that and um

theoretically possible to do that and um
we heard from the gentleman from the

we heard from the gentleman from the

we heard from the gentleman from the
pointer Institute saying that that is um

pointer Institute saying that that is um

pointer Institute saying that that is um
it's a mantra that is used over and over

it's a mantra that is used over and over

it's a mantra that is used over and over
again and I would say in some senses I

again and I would say in some senses I

again and I would say in some senses I
agree with the theoretical possib ility

agree with the theoretical possib ility

agree with the theoretical possib ility
but um you're probably familiar with the

but um you're probably familiar with the

but um you're probably familiar with the
normal

normal

normal
distribution uh the parabolic curve that

distribution uh the parabolic curve that

distribution uh the parabolic curve that
defines any normal population the

defines any normal population the

defines any normal population the
difficulty with the when you look at a

difficulty with the when you look at a

difficulty with the when you look at a
study of human populations it's the

study of human populations it's the

study of human populations it's the
science of

science of

science of
epidemiology is you're always faced with

epidemiology is you're always faced with

epidemiology is you're always faced with
a normal distribution and what they want

a normal distribution and what they want

a normal distribution and what they want
to do is come up with a solution that is

to do is come up with a solution that is

to do is come up with a solution that is
relevant to the one person who sits at

relevant to the one person who sits at

relevant to the one person who sits at
the top of that parabolic curve the

the top of that parabolic curve the

the top of that parabolic curve the
reality is there's a huge number of

reality is there's a huge number of

reality is there's a huge number of
people in both the left tail and the

people in both the left tail and the

people in both the left tail and the
right tail and the people on on the

right tail and the people on on the

right tail and the people on on the
right tail are the people who need a lot

right tail are the people who need a lot

right tail are the people who need a lot
more of that nutrient because they have

more of that nutrient because they have

more of that nutrient because they have
genetic variations that means their

genetic variations that means their

genetic variations that means their
receptors are not so responsive they

receptors are not so responsive they

receptors are not so responsive they
have reduced um capacity to to absorb

have reduced um capacity to to absorb

have reduced um capacity to to absorb
the nutrient it's something that

the nutrient it's something that

the nutrient it's something that
actually happens to all of us as we get

actually happens to all of us as we get

actually happens to all of us as we get
older which is one of the reasons that

older which is one of the reasons that

older which is one of the reasons that
you find that older people are taking

you find that older people are taking

you find that older people are taking
more vitamin supplements than younger

more vitamin supplements than younger

more vitamin supplements than younger
people um so yes we we can now the

people um so yes we we can now the

people um so yes we we can now the
technology is readily available at very

technology is readily available at very

technology is readily available at very
low cost to be able to measure the blood

low cost to be able to measure the blood

low cost to be able to measure the blood
levels of different nutrients and you

levels of different nutrients and you

levels of different nutrients and you
know progress is being made in that

know progress is being made in that

know progress is being made in that
direction vitamin D you can now um for a

direction vitamin D you can now um for a

direction vitamin D you can now um for a
you know buy off the shelf in the

you know buy off the shelf in the

you know buy off the shelf in the
Netherlands and everywhere else in

Netherlands and everywhere else in

Netherlands and everywhere else in
Europe a pin prick test that allows you

Europe a pin prick test that allows you

Europe a pin prick test that allows you
to um determine the amount of

to um determine the amount of

to um determine the amount of
circulating hydroxy vitamin D the

circulating hydroxy vitamin D the

circulating hydroxy vitamin D the
circulating form of vitamin D um so you

circulating form of vitamin D um so you

circulating form of vitamin D um so you
can see how you respond to taking the

can see how you respond to taking the

can see how you respond to taking the
supplement and what's fascinating there

supplement and what's fascinating there

supplement and what's fascinating there
is you'll find I'm an example of it if I

is you'll find I'm an example of it if I

is you'll find I'm an example of it if I
want to get into the optimal circulating

want to get into the optimal circulating

want to get into the optimal circulating
range I need to take 20,000

range I need to take 20,000

range I need to take 20,000
international units compared with the

international units compared with the

international units compared with the
800 that the Govern govern is telling us

800 that the Govern govern is telling us

800 that the Govern govern is telling us
we need I the 800 barely gets me off

we need I the 800 barely gets me off

we need I the 800 barely gets me off
base level I'm still deficient in

base level I'm still deficient in

base level I'm still deficient in
vitamin D how do you know that you need

vitamin D how do you know that you need

vitamin D how do you know that you need
so many levels well the because the

so many levels well the because the

so many levels well the because the
science has been very well determined

science has been very well determined

science has been very well determined
for the

for the

for the
circulating level of vitamin D so we to

circulating level of vitamin D so we to

circulating level of vitamin D so we to
understand that we need to understand

understand that we need to understand

understand that we need to understand
what's in our blood and what you find is

what's in our blood and what you find is

what's in our blood and what you find is
many people perhaps the people the top

many people perhaps the people the top

many people perhaps the people the top
of the normal distribution may be okay

of the normal distribution may be okay

of the normal distribution may be okay
with 800 micrograms but people like

with 800 micrograms but people like

with 800 micrograms but people like
myself and people who have different

myself and people who have different

myself and people who have different
genetic variations um need more and

genetic variations um need more and

genetic variations um need more and
20,000 international units uh sounds

20,000 international units uh sounds

20,000 international units uh sounds
like an awful lot of vitamin D but

like an awful lot of vitamin D but

like an awful lot of vitamin D but
actually if we expose 80% of our body to

actually if we expose 80% of our body to

actually if we expose 80% of our body to
the midday sun in the latitude that we

the midday sun in the latitude that we

the midday sun in the latitude that we
are here in in Amsterdam um we will

are here in in Amsterdam um we will

are here in in Amsterdam um we will
actually produce the equivalent um

actually produce the equivalent um

actually produce the equivalent um
circulating vitamin D is being in that

circulating vitamin D is being in that

circulating vitamin D is being in that
sun for 20 minutes yeah it almost sounds

sun for 20 minutes yeah it almost sounds

sun for 20 minutes yeah it almost sounds
like an overdosis and Aran Luber was

like an overdosis and Aran Luber was

like an overdosis and Aran Luber was
also emphasizing on this particular

also emphasizing on this particular

also emphasizing on this particular
subject let's have a look at another

yeah this doctor is explaining it that

yeah this doctor is explaining it that
there's always a risk and 40 times the

there's always a risk and 40 times the

there's always a risk and 40 times the
level of vitamin B12 sounds like an

level of vitamin B12 sounds like an

level of vitamin B12 sounds like an
overdoses first thing to understand is

overdoses first thing to understand is

overdoses first thing to understand is
that the level that is you see in

that the level that is you see in

that the level that is you see in
percentage terms there is based on

percentage terms there is based on

percentage terms there is based on
adequacy it has no relationship zero

adequacy it has no relationship zero

adequacy it has no relationship zero
relationship with safety so they make a

relationship with safety so they make a

relationship with safety so they make a
mistake to draw the association so that

mistake to draw the association so that

mistake to draw the association so that
is the nutrient reference value that is

is the nutrient reference value that is

is the nutrient reference value that is
intended to be the amount that prevents

intended to be the amount that prevents

intended to be the amount that prevents
you from getting a deficiency disease so

you from getting a deficiency disease so

you from getting a deficiency disease so
actually the lowest level that you might

actually the lowest level that you might

actually the lowest level that you might
need that you need to prevent deficiency

need that you need to prevent deficiency

need that you need to prevent deficiency
disease it's certainly not the lowest

disease it's certainly not the lowest

disease it's certainly not the lowest
level so um I've just looked at that

level so um I've just looked at that

level so um I've just looked at that
product it's it's a good product there

product it's it's a good product there

product it's it's a good product there
is no scientific evidence that any of

is no scientific evidence that any of

is no scientific evidence that any of
those levels that might seem high to aay

those levels that might seem high to aay

those levels that might seem high to aay
consumer tumor pose any risk whatsoever

consumer tumor pose any risk whatsoever

consumer tumor pose any risk whatsoever
in fact if there is a risk I mean what

in fact if there is a risk I mean what

in fact if there is a risk I mean what
stood out to me was the vitamin B12

stood out to me was the vitamin B12

stood out to me was the vitamin B12
level that um Mr lubach made fun of um

level that um Mr lubach made fun of um

level that um Mr lubach made fun of um
and you know if we if we look at some of

and you know if we if we look at some of

and you know if we if we look at some of
the science that um is looking at high

the science that um is looking at high

the science that um is looking at high
dose vitamin B intake to protect against

dose vitamin B intake to protect against

dose vitamin B intake to protect against
um brain shrinkage and Alzheimer's

um brain shrinkage and Alzheimer's

um brain shrinkage and Alzheimer's
disease um you would need to take

disease um you would need to take

disease um you would need to take
20,000% of the nutrient reference value

20,000% of the nutrient reference value

20,000% of the nutrient reference value
yeah you brought in paper about that

yeah you brought in paper about that

yeah you brought in paper about that
subject I did it's here preventing

subject I did it's here preventing

subject I did it's here preventing
Alzheimer disease related gray matter

Alzheimer disease related gray matter

Alzheimer disease related gray matter
atrophy by B vitamin treatment and what

atrophy by B vitamin treatment and what

atrophy by B vitamin treatment and what
does this paper say so this is this is a

does this paper say so this is this is a

does this paper say so this is this is a
benchmark study um carried out at Oxford

benchmark study um carried out at Oxford

benchmark study um carried out at Oxford
University published in

University published in

University published in
2013 that shows three lowcost vitamins

2013 that shows three lowcost vitamins

2013 that shows three lowcost vitamins
in the form of folate b6 and

in the form of folate b6 and

in the form of folate b6 and
b12 can do something to the brain in

b12 can do something to the brain in

b12 can do something to the brain in
terms of r producing brain shrinkage

terms of r producing brain shrinkage

terms of r producing brain shrinkage
that no drug has ever been shown to do

that no drug has ever been shown to do

that no drug has ever been shown to do
despite millions and millions being

despite millions and millions being

despite millions and millions being
thrown into it um however the doses are

thrown into it um however the doses are

thrown into it um however the doses are
on the high side um and um if we look at

on the high side um and um if we look at

on the high side um and um if we look at
B6 the the level of 20 milligrams what

B6 the the level of 20 milligrams what

B6 the the level of 20 milligrams what
the EU has made a very recent decision

the EU has made a very recent decision

the EU has made a very recent decision
on is that the upper safe level should

on is that the upper safe level should

on is that the upper safe level should
be based should be brought down to 12

be based should be brought down to 12

be based should be brought down to 12
Mig and that means that if they regulate

Mig and that means that if they regulate

Mig and that means that if they regulate
the amount that you can have in a

the amount that you can have in a

the amount that you can have in a
vitamin they will probably subtract the

vitamin they will probably subtract the

vitamin they will probably subtract the
maximum amount that people can get in

maximum amount that people can get in

maximum amount that people can get in
the diet which might be 4 milligram

the diet which might be 4 milligram

the diet which might be 4 milligram
which brings you down to a very low 8

which brings you down to a very low 8

which brings you down to a very low 8
milligram now compared with the 20

milligram now compared with the 20

milligram now compared with the 20
milligrams that you need um and

milligrams that you need um and

milligrams that you need um and
obviously 500 micrograms for vitamin B12

obviously 500 micrograms for vitamin B12

obviously 500 micrograms for vitamin B12
compared with a 2.5 microgram um level

compared with a 2.5 microgram um level

compared with a 2.5 microgram um level
that has been um suggested with a

that has been um suggested with a

that has been um suggested with a
nutrient reference value so these have

nutrient reference value so these have

nutrient reference value so these have
no direct bearing on on safety what

no direct bearing on on safety what

no direct bearing on on safety what
happens is that when we start to take

happens is that when we start to take

happens is that when we start to take
higher levels we see a whole range of um

higher levels we see a whole range of um

higher levels we see a whole range of um
if you like medicinal properties of

if you like medicinal properties of

if you like medicinal properties of
nutrients and this is a very important

nutrients and this is a very important

nutrients and this is a very important
point in science and in law that there

point in science and in law that there

point in science and in law that there
is a the regulatory framework at the

is a the regulatory framework at the

is a the regulatory framework at the
moment says if you want to do something

moment says if you want to do something

moment says if you want to do something
medicinal you're not allowed to do it

medicinal you're not allowed to do it

medicinal you're not allowed to do it
with food you're not allowed to

with food you're not allowed to

with food you're not allowed to
particularly not allowed to do it with

particularly not allowed to do it with

particularly not allowed to do it with
supplements so they have to regulate

supplements so they have to regulate

supplements so they have to regulate
supplements to this very low level and

supplements to this very low level and

supplements to this very low level and
the difficulty is the drug companies are

the difficulty is the drug companies are

the difficulty is the drug companies are
not going to suddenly produce um a

not going to suddenly produce um a

not going to suddenly produce um a
product that has those higher levels so

product that has those higher levels so

product that has those higher levels so
who loses that but the citizens when

who loses that but the citizens when

who loses that but the citizens when
people and and of course this this

people and and of course this this

people and and of course this this
Benchmark study has now is now being

Benchmark study has now is now being

Benchmark study has now is now being
used by clinicians all over the world

used by clinicians all over the world

used by clinicians all over the world
nutritional practitioners functional

nutritional practitioners functional

nutritional practitioners functional
medicine practitioners um and um

medicine practitioners um and um

medicine practitioners um and um
typically what they'll do is measure the

typically what they'll do is measure the

typically what they'll do is measure the
circulating level of um a marker for

circulating level of um a marker for

circulating level of um a marker for
heart disease called

heart disease called

heart disease called
homocystine um and if that homocystine

homocystine um and if that homocystine

homocystine um and if that homocystine
level is

level is

level is
high it contributes to um brain

high it contributes to um brain

high it contributes to um brain
shrinkage and what happens is when you

shrinkage and what happens is when you

shrinkage and what happens is when you
take those high dose B vitamins it

take those high dose B vitamins it

take those high dose B vitamins it
reduces homocystine as a marker of

reduces homocystine as a marker of

reduces homocystine as a marker of
inflammation and it reduces the rate R

inflammation and it reduces the rate R

inflammation and it reduces the rate R
of brain shrinkage and protects against

of brain shrinkage and protects against

of brain shrinkage and protects against
Alzheimer's now it it might create a

Alzheimer's now it it might create a

Alzheimer's now it it might create a
self-fulfilling prophecy that it's that

self-fulfilling prophecy that it's that

self-fulfilling prophecy that it's that
it's of of no use the well the the

it's of of no use the well the the

it's of of no use the well the the
reality is we we've seen it being

reality is we we've seen it being

reality is we we've seen it being
incredibly valuable so this talks both

incredibly valuable so this talks both

incredibly valuable so this talks both
to the um neuroprotective benefits of

to the um neuroprotective benefits of

to the um neuroprotective benefits of
high high dose nutrients so um for

high high dose nutrients so um for

high high dose nutrients so um for
example the at the EU level there is a

example the at the EU level there is a

example the at the EU level there is a
permitted Health claim um that says that

permitted Health claim um that says that

permitted Health claim um that says that
these B vitamins

these B vitamins

these B vitamins
um can be used to support normal

um can be used to support normal

um can be used to support normal
neurological function what they're not

neurological function what they're not

neurological function what they're not
allowed to do is to say guys this is

allowed to do is to say guys this is

allowed to do is to say guys this is
going to protect you from having senior

going to protect you from having senior

going to protect you from having senior
moments losing your memory cogn

moments losing your memory cogn

moments losing your memory cogn
cognitive impairment because that's an

cognitive impairment because that's an

cognitive impairment because that's an
Health claim because that becomes a

Health claim because that becomes a

Health claim because that becomes a
medicinal claim that is the area

medicinal claim that is the area

medicinal claim that is the area
reserved by the drug companies who are

reserved by the drug companies who are

reserved by the drug companies who are
going to sit on it and it's the citizen

going to sit on it and it's the citizen

going to sit on it and it's the citizen
that loses that um and we have a very

that loses that um and we have a very

that loses that um and we have a very
serious problem so the this is one of

serious problem so the this is one of

serious problem so the this is one of
the reasons and we're not suggesting

the reasons and we're not suggesting

the reasons and we're not suggesting
that um vitamin supplements are um the

that um vitamin supplements are um the

that um vitamin supplements are um the
only way of doing it has to be food

only way of doing it has to be food

only way of doing it has to be food
first we've recently published it's also

first we've recently published it's also

first we've recently published it's also
understandable if there are no good

understandable if there are no good

understandable if there are no good
studies that you're not allowed to make

studies that you're not allowed to make

studies that you're not allowed to make
certain Medical Health claims yes the

certain Medical Health claims yes the

certain Medical Health claims yes the
the one of one of the difficulties is

the one of one of the difficulties is

the one of one of the difficulties is
that the um very specific requirement

that the um very specific requirement

that the um very specific requirement
for health claims means that you've got

for health claims means that you've got

for health claims means that you've got
to live in this world where you're

to live in this world where you're

to live in this world where you're
looking at markers but you're not you

looking at markers but you're not you

looking at markers but you're not you
can't look at diseases per se um and

can't look at diseases per se um and

can't look at diseases per se um and
many of the diseases that there is a

many of the diseases that there is a

many of the diseases that there is a
protective effect for are diseases that

protective effect for are diseases that

protective effect for are diseases that
are very long drawn out and of course we

are very long drawn out and of course we

are very long drawn out and of course we
have to look at observational evidence

have to look at observational evidence

have to look at observational evidence
to see the protective effects of higher

to see the protective effects of higher

to see the protective effects of higher
doses of of vitamins and they say sorry

doses of of vitamins and they say sorry

doses of of vitamins and they say sorry
you can't use observational studies you

you can't use observational studies you

you can't use observational studies you
have to do randomized control trials

have to do randomized control trials

have to do randomized control trials
like the drug study and then you say

like the drug study and then you say

like the drug study and then you say
well you know there's a real

well you know there's a real

well you know there's a real
disincentive for supplement companies

disincentive for supplement companies

disincentive for supplement companies
that frankly have much less money than

that frankly have much less money than

that frankly have much less money than
the drug companies to do these

the drug companies to do these

the drug companies to do these
randomized control trials so the end

randomized control trials so the end

randomized control trials so the end
result is they're caught in a sort of

result is they're caught in a sort of

result is they're caught in a sort of
Catch 22 situation where they you know

Catch 22 situation where they you know

Catch 22 situation where they you know
are unable to do the studies that the

are unable to do the studies that the

are unable to do the studies that the
European authorities want um they can't

European authorities want um they can't

European authorities want um they can't
make the claims so the end result is you

make the claims so the end result is you

make the claims so the end result is you
see a lot of influences as we saw in

see a lot of influences as we saw in

see a lot of influences as we saw in
lubac's piece a lot of influen is saying

lubac's piece a lot of influen is saying

lubac's piece a lot of influen is saying
hey I'm using it I'm getting great

hey I'm using it I'm getting great

hey I'm using it I'm getting great
benefits I feel stronger I've got more

benefits I feel stronger I've got more

benefits I feel stronger I've got more
energy um and the fascinating thing is

energy um and the fascinating thing is

energy um and the fascinating thing is
that what is beginning to happen now it

that what is beginning to happen now it

that what is beginning to happen now it
was showcased at a big Nobel Summit

was showcased at a big Nobel Summit

was showcased at a big Nobel Summit
meeting in Washington in May this year

meeting in Washington in May this year

meeting in Washington in May this year
is that they're going to start a global

is that they're going to start a global

is that they're going to start a global
sensorship campaign to eliminate using

sensorship campaign to eliminate using

sensorship campaign to eliminate using
artificial intelligence any information

artificial intelligence any information

artificial intelligence any information
that does not conform with what the

that does not conform with what the

that does not conform with what the
health authorities and what the World

health authorities and what the World

health authorities and what the World
Health Organization is saying and of

Health Organization is saying and of

Health Organization is saying and of
course all this kind of information they

course all this kind of information they

course all this kind of information they
will say sorry guys so even the

will say sorry guys so even the

will say sorry guys so even the
influencers are going to have trouble

influencers are going to have trouble

influencers are going to have trouble
getting information onto the airwaves to

getting information onto the airwaves to

getting information onto the airwaves to
communicate to other people how ironic

communicate to other people how ironic

communicate to other people how ironic
that they're introducing the Digital

that they're introducing the Digital

that they're introducing the Digital
Services

Services

Services
act absolutely Europe it's directly

act absolutely Europe it's directly

act absolutely Europe it's directly
associated with the same process so when

associated with the same process so when

associated with the same process so when
we look at something like freedom of

we look at something like freedom of

we look at something like freedom of
speech we we also work um extensively in

speech we we also work um extensively in

speech we we also work um extensively in
America we're probably the most involved

America we're probably the most involved

America we're probably the most involved
directly in um regulating and and

directly in um regulating and and

directly in um regulating and and
preventing uh excessive regulation and

preventing uh excessive regulation and

preventing uh excessive regulation and
we have very good relationships in in

we have very good relationships in in

we have very good relationships in in
Congress but um they they're doing the

Congress but um they they're doing the

Congress but um they they're doing the
same thing over there they're looking at

same thing over there they're looking at

same thing over there they're looking at
um wanting to ban um particular

um wanting to ban um particular

um wanting to ban um particular
nutrients um there's there's one

nutrients um there's there's one

nutrients um there's there's one
particular form of again B vitamin uh

particular form of again B vitamin uh

particular form of again B vitamin uh
nicotinamide mononucleotide nmn that is

nicotinamide mononucleotide nmn that is

nicotinamide mononucleotide nmn that is
um very widely used by people because of

um very widely used by people because of

um very widely used by people because of
its anti-aging properties because it it

its anti-aging properties because it it

its anti-aging properties because it it
really has profound effects on our

really has profound effects on our

really has profound effects on our
Energy Systems in the body it's a

Energy Systems in the body it's a

Energy Systems in the body it's a
precursor to NAD a co-enzyme to the body

precursor to NAD a co-enzyme to the body

precursor to NAD a co-enzyme to the body
users and um what's happened is a drug

users and um what's happened is a drug

users and um what's happened is a drug
company has said we want control of that

company has said we want control of that

company has said we want control of that
nutrient that the dietary supplement

nutrient that the dietary supplement

nutrient that the dietary supplement
companies are selling and the FDA has um

companies are selling and the FDA has um

companies are selling and the FDA has um
an ability under this investigational

an ability under this investigational

an ability under this investigational
new drug system to say okay you can now

new drug system to say okay you can now

new drug system to say okay you can now
investigate as a new drug they may or

investigate as a new drug they may or

investigate as a new drug they may or
may never put it onto the market but the

may never put it onto the market but the

may never put it onto the market but the
dietary supplement industry has to stop

dietary supplement industry has to stop

dietary supplement industry has to stop
using it so you know the the system the

using it so you know the the system the

using it so you know the the system the
regulatory framework has always been

regulatory framework has always been

regulatory framework has always been
built to benefit the dominant healthc

built to benefit the dominant healthc

built to benefit the dominant healthc
care modality on the planet today which

care modality on the planet today which

care modality on the planet today which
involves delivering new to Nature

involves delivering new to Nature

involves delivering new to Nature
medicines often protected by a patent um

medicines often protected by a patent um

medicines often protected by a patent um
that actually are not showing any

that actually are not showing any

that actually are not showing any
significant benefit for most of the

significant benefit for most of the

significant benefit for most of the
conditions that we now face and we're

conditions that we now face and we're

conditions that we now face and we're
going to face at an ever increasing

going to face at an ever increasing

going to face at an ever increasing
amount cancer heart disease metabolic

amount cancer heart disease metabolic

amount cancer heart disease metabolic
diseases like type 2 diabetes um and

diseases like type 2 diabetes um and

diseases like type 2 diabetes um and
Alzheimer's um dementia Etc um plus a

Alzheimer's um dementia Etc um plus a

Alzheimer's um dementia Etc um plus a
whole slew of autoimmune conditions um

whole slew of autoimmune conditions um

whole slew of autoimmune conditions um
as we struggle to adapt to the modern

as we struggle to adapt to the modern

as we struggle to adapt to the modern
environments that we live in yeah I

environments that we live in yeah I

environments that we live in yeah I
understand that you're concerned about

understand that you're concerned about

understand that you're concerned about
the the power of big farmer but are you

the the power of big farmer but are you

the the power of big farmer but are you
also not concerned if there are no rules

also not concerned if there are no rules

also not concerned if there are no rules
at all I mean you need regulation or not

at all I mean you need regulation or not

at all I mean you need regulation or not
we we

we we

we we
we it lose no no we we're certainly um

we it lose no no we we're certainly um

we it lose no no we we're certainly um
that's one of the reasons that we're

that's one of the reasons that we're

that's one of the reasons that we're
very involved in the regulatory space in

very involved in the regulatory space in

very involved in the regulatory space in
any industry there are cowboys and there

any industry there are cowboys and there

any industry there are cowboys and there
is no doubt in the supplement industry

is no doubt in the supplement industry

is no doubt in the supplement industry
they are cowboys and there is a need to

they are cowboys and there is a need to

they are cowboys and there is a need to
regulate what is very interesting is

regulate what is very interesting is

regulate what is very interesting is
when we see the development of these

when we see the development of these

when we see the development of these
regulatory Frameworks they seem never

regulatory Frameworks they seem never

regulatory Frameworks they seem never
designed only to eliminate the

designed only to eliminate the

designed only to eliminate the
Cowboys they affect some of the most

Cowboys they affect some of the most

Cowboys they affect some of the most
responsible players um I I I believe the

responsible players um I I I believe the

responsible players um I I I believe the
company that um Vita code that that uh

company that um Vita code that that uh

company that um Vita code that that uh
Mr luach showed there um is a company

Mr luach showed there um is a company

Mr luach showed there um is a company
that's playing by the the rules

that's playing by the the rules

that's playing by the the rules
following the law and and look they get

following the law and and look they get

following the law and and look they get
made fun of um partially because he

made fun of um partially because he

made fun of um partially because he
doesn't understand the science of all of

doesn't understand the science of all of

doesn't understand the science of all of
those levels and um it is something but

those levels and um it is something but

those levels and um it is something but
but this is a consistent strategy to get

but this is a consistent strategy to get

but this is a consistent strategy to get
into the public mind that you don't need

into the public mind that you don't need

into the public mind that you don't need
any of these products go to your doctor

any of these products go to your doctor

any of these products go to your doctor
and he or she will prescribe the drugs

and he or she will prescribe the drugs

and he or she will prescribe the drugs
that you need why would they want us to

that you need why would they want us to

that you need why would they want us to
go that road well first of all there is

go that road well first of all there is

go that road well first of all there is
a an incentive to ensure that the

a an incentive to ensure that the

a an incentive to ensure that the
industry does well for 80 years the

industry does well for 80 years the

industry does well for 80 years the
pharmaceutical industry has dominated

pharmaceutical industry has dominated

pharmaceutical industry has dominated
healthc care with its new to Nature

healthc care with its new to Nature

healthc care with its new to Nature
products it is um had some problems of

products it is um had some problems of

products it is um had some problems of
late in the um after the turn of the

late in the um after the turn of the

late in the um after the turn of the
Millennium particularly after 2010 some

Millennium particularly after 2010 some

Millennium particularly after 2010 some
of the major drugs particularly the

of the major drugs particularly the

of the major drugs particularly the
lipid altering drugs um statins Etc fell

lipid altering drugs um statins Etc fell

lipid altering drugs um statins Etc fell
off patent so now they're looking for

off patent so now they're looking for

off patent so now they're looking for
new opportunities of how to control that

new opportunities of how to control that

new opportunities of how to control that
space

space

space
and um and one of the areas that they're

and um and one of the areas that they're

and um and one of the areas that they're
moving in is to look at what's happening

moving in is to look at what's happening

moving in is to look at what's happening
in the natural space so there is this um

in the natural space so there is this um

in the natural space so there is this um
rather unpleasant development of what we

rather unpleasant development of what we

rather unpleasant development of what we
call ethn piracy which is running into

call ethn piracy which is running into

call ethn piracy which is running into
the Amazon rainforest going into the

the Amazon rainforest going into the

the Amazon rainforest going into the
Southeast Asian rainforests and the West

Southeast Asian rainforests and the West

Southeast Asian rainforests and the West
African ones and seeing what plant

African ones and seeing what plant

African ones and seeing what plant
medicines can be taken and and then

medicines can be taken and and then

medicines can be taken and and then
patented because that's

patented because that's

patented because that's
obviously there is a 75% of medicines

obviously there is a 75% of medicines

obviously there is a 75% of medicines
that are on the market today have their

that are on the market today have their

that are on the market today have their
origins in plant medicine um but what

origins in plant medicine um but what

origins in plant medicine um but what
happens when we isolate particular

happens when we isolate particular

happens when we isolate particular
ingredients and then deliver them in

ingredients and then deliver them in

ingredients and then deliver them in
high doses away from the The Matrix that

high doses away from the The Matrix that

high doses away from the The Matrix that
they normally are delivered in they have

they normally are delivered in they have

they normally are delivered in they have
a completely different effect on the

a completely different effect on the

a completely different effect on the
body and and that's one of the reasons

body and and that's one of the reasons

body and and that's one of the reasons
that um you will find that prescription

that um you will find that prescription

that um you will find that prescription
medicines are now um and Peter gotcha

medicines are now um and Peter gotcha

medicines are now um and Peter gotcha
from Cochran collaboration now departed

from Cochran collaboration now departed

from Cochran collaboration now departed
from that was the first to really put

from that was the first to really put

from that was the first to really put
this data together to show that

this data together to show that

this data together to show that
prescription medicines prescribed cor

prescription medicines prescribed cor

prescription medicines prescribed cor
correctly are now the third leading

correctly are now the third leading

correctly are now the third leading
cause of death in society so older

cause of death in society so older

cause of death in society so older
people they're often now on poly

people they're often now on poly

people they're often now on poly
Pharmacy so they're taking multiple

Pharmacy so they're taking multiple

Pharmacy so they're taking multiple
drugs many of those drugs are trying to

drugs many of those drugs are trying to

drugs many of those drugs are trying to
deal with side effects of other drugs

deal with side effects of other drugs

deal with side effects of other drugs
um none of them are dealing with the

um none of them are dealing with the

um none of them are dealing with the
root cause of the problem so you know

root cause of the problem so you know

root cause of the problem so you know
our view is that and this is one of our

our view is that and this is one of our

our view is that and this is one of our
major projects is looking at how we can

major projects is looking at how we can

major projects is looking at how we can
build new health systems that regenerate

build new health systems that regenerate

build new health systems that regenerate
Health that create Health in people and

Health that create Health in people and

Health that create Health in people and
um and we can do that in communities our

um and we can do that in communities our

um and we can do that in communities our
view is that if we can move to a more

view is that if we can move to a more

view is that if we can move to a more
decentralized system where we are

decentralized system where we are

decentralized system where we are
consuming more Local Foods not globally

consuming more Local Foods not globally

consuming more Local Foods not globally
produced Foods or um and and we have

produced Foods or um and and we have

produced Foods or um and and we have
health practitioners within the area who

health practitioners within the area who

health practitioners within the area who
understand um the blood levels the

understand um the blood levels the

understand um the blood levels the
markers so that we can basically catch

markers so that we can basically catch

markers so that we can basically catch
changes in function before they develop

changes in function before they develop

changes in function before they develop
pathologies because at the moment the

pathologies because at the moment the

pathologies because at the moment the
Health Care System it's like a smash

Health Care System it's like a smash

Health Care System it's like a smash
repair yard it's like we if you if we

repair yard it's like we if you if we

repair yard it's like we if you if we
imagine an analogy with a motor car it's

imagine an analogy with a motor car it's

imagine an analogy with a motor car it's
like we've decided to not do annual

like we've decided to not do annual

like we've decided to not do annual
Servicing and we just wait for the car

Servicing and we just wait for the car

Servicing and we just wait for the car
to break down and then we try and fix it

to break down and then we try and fix it

to break down and then we try and fix it
and we all know that's a not a great way

and we all know that's a not a great way

and we all know that's a not a great way
of looking after your motor car what we

of looking after your motor car what we

of looking after your motor car what we
need to do is respond to Orange lights

need to do is respond to Orange lights

need to do is respond to Orange lights
and particularly red lights on the

and particularly red lights on the

and particularly red lights on the
dashboard and we need to take it to um

dashboard and we need to take it to um

dashboard and we need to take it to um
have an annual service at least um and

have an annual service at least um and

have an annual service at least um and
that's how we maintain it and strangely

that's how we maintain it and strangely

that's how we maintain it and strangely
enough we look after our cars better

enough we look after our cars better

enough we look after our cars better
than we look after our own bodies that's

than we look after our own bodies that's

than we look after our own bodies that's
a nice metaphor that you brought up I uh

a nice metaphor that you brought up I uh

a nice metaphor that you brought up I uh
I drive an old car and I know how

I drive an old car and I know how

I drive an old car and I know how
important it is to do uh yeah

important it is to do uh yeah

important it is to do uh yeah
maintenance in time otherwise yeah you

maintenance in time otherwise yeah you

maintenance in time otherwise yeah you
know where to go to maintain your car

know where to go to maintain your car

know where to go to maintain your car
yeah the average person doesn't know and

yeah the average person doesn't know and

yeah the average person doesn't know and
I

I

I
I'm at the moment people seem to be

I'm at the moment people seem to be

I'm at the moment people seem to be
offered two polar extremes one they can

offered two polar extremes one they can

offered two polar extremes one they can
go in the front door of their family

go in the front door of their family

go in the front door of their family
physician who is going to prescribe

physician who is going to prescribe

physician who is going to prescribe
drugs then they have the area that we

drugs then they have the area that we

drugs then they have the area that we
call

call

call
complimentary and alternative medicine

complimentary and alternative medicine

complimentary and alternative medicine
and um our argument would be the public

and um our argument would be the public

and um our argument would be the public
the community deserves more than just

the community deserves more than just

the community deserves more than just
two options it's a bit like um the

two options it's a bit like um the

two options it's a bit like um the
political systems at the moment you know

political systems at the moment you know

political systems at the moment you know
do we need more than just Trump versus

do we need more than just Trump versus

do we need more than just Trump versus
Biden or in the UK where we are stama

Biden or in the UK where we are stama

Biden or in the UK where we are stama
versus sunak um I know in in in the

versus sunak um I know in in in the

versus sunak um I know in in in the
Netherlands you also have uh limited

Netherlands you also have uh limited

Netherlands you also have uh limited
options in terms of the political choice

options in terms of the political choice

options in terms of the political choice
but in healthcare we also have have very

but in healthcare we also have have very

but in healthcare we also have have very
limited choices and there are there is a

limited choices and there are there is a

limited choices and there are there is a
different way in which we can do Primary

different way in which we can do Primary

different way in which we can do Primary
Care Primary Care should be somewhere

Care Primary Care should be somewhere

Care Primary Care should be somewhere
where we really like your motor car can

where we really like your motor car can

where we really like your motor car can
go to to say look can you give me a rund

go to to say look can you give me a rund

go to to say look can you give me a rund
down on where I am with my body can you

down on where I am with my body can you

down on where I am with my body can you
tell me what levels of nutrients I've

tell me what levels of nutrients I've

tell me what levels of nutrients I've
got in in me can you tell me if I've got

got in in me can you tell me if I've got

got in in me can you tell me if I've got
any um genetic variations that mean that

any um genetic variations that mean that

any um genetic variations that mean that
I need to be particularly careful about

I need to be particularly careful about

I need to be particularly careful about
stress

stress

stress
or um even about too much sunlight or

or um even about too much sunlight or

or um even about too much sunlight or
too little sunlight um how about how am

too little sunlight um how about how am

too little sunlight um how about how am
I responding to my diet or how much

I responding to my diet or how much

I responding to my diet or how much
exercise can my body take am I better

exercise can my body take am I better

exercise can my body take am I better
off taking doing more strength exercise

off taking doing more strength exercise

off taking doing more strength exercise
or more endurance tailor made Healthcare

or more endurance tailor made Healthcare

or more endurance tailor made Healthcare
exactly and so you know the Obama

exactly and so you know the Obama

exactly and so you know the Obama
government in the US in 2015 decided hey

government in the US in 2015 decided hey

government in the US in 2015 decided hey
we're going to do a big thing on

we're going to do a big thing on

we're going to do a big thing on
personalized medicine and tailored

personalized medicine and tailored

personalized medicine and tailored
medicine but because the pharmaceu

medicine but because the pharmaceu

medicine but because the pharmaceu
itical industry dominates the space they

itical industry dominates the space they

itical industry dominates the space they
turned all of that not into tailored

turned all of that not into tailored

turned all of that not into tailored
healthc care but into tailored

healthc care but into tailored

healthc care but into tailored
Pharmaceuticals which actually um there

Pharmaceuticals which actually um there

Pharmaceuticals which actually um there
still needs to be a lot of work done

still needs to be a lot of work done

still needs to be a lot of work done
mainly because the tools are not so good

mainly because the tools are not so good

mainly because the tools are not so good
but tailored nutrition using um a

but tailored nutrition using um a

but tailored nutrition using um a
science that we call

science that we call

science that we call
metabolomics um actually is where the

metabolomics um actually is where the

metabolomics um actually is where the
real movement is happening but

real movement is happening but

real movement is happening but
unfortunately if you red reduce the

unfortunately if you red reduce the

unfortunately if you red reduce the
options and the opportunities to use

options and the opportunities to use

options and the opportunities to use
particular ingredients to use high

particular ingredients to use high

particular ingredients to use high
enough dosages and you also control what

enough dosages and you also control what

enough dosages and you also control what
you can say about these nutrients it's

you can say about these nutrients it's

you can say about these nutrients it's
very difficult for that system to

very difficult for that system to

very difficult for that system to
function and that's why we're going to

function and that's why we're going to

function and that's why we're going to
be taking strategic legal actions as and

be taking strategic legal actions as and

be taking strategic legal actions as and
when we need but also developing new

when we need but also developing new

when we need but also developing new
scientific Frameworks and we've been in

scientific Frameworks and we've been in

scientific Frameworks and we've been in
the Forefront of developing this risk

the Forefront of developing this risk

the Forefront of developing this risk
benefit model that we think is um big

benefit model that we think is um big

benefit model that we think is um big
part of the solution to a fairer

part of the solution to a fairer

part of the solution to a fairer
regulatory system we're not saying no

regulatory system we're not saying no

regulatory system we're not saying no
regulation we're saying proportionate

regulation we're saying proportionate

regulation we're saying proportionate
regulation using a solid good scientific

regulation using a solid good scientific

regulation using a solid good scientific
method interesting and thank you Robert

method interesting and thank you Robert

method interesting and thank you Robert
for bringing this important subject to

for bringing this important subject to

for bringing this important subject to
us to the Netherlands thank you so much

us to the Netherlands thank you so much

us to the Netherlands thank you so much
in the end uh an international audience

in the end uh an international audience

in the end uh an international audience
because we did an English interview

because we did an English interview

because we did an English interview
usually in Dutch uh I survived because I

usually in Dutch uh I survived because I

usually in Dutch uh I survived because I
was a little bit insecure if I could

was a little bit insecure if I could

was a little bit insecure if I could
interview you uh but we man managed

interview you uh but we man managed

interview you uh but we man managed
luckily I didn't have to ask you so many

luckily I didn't have to ask you so many

luckily I didn't have to ask you so many
question because you're a good talker uh

question because you're a good talker uh

question because you're a good talker uh
what are you up to now are you going to

what are you up to now are you going to

what are you up to now are you going to
meet some other people we have we have

meet some other people we have we have

meet some other people we have we have
some more interviews to do we've we've

some more interviews to do we've we've

some more interviews to do we've we've
met two sets of lawyers and um they

met two sets of lawyers and um they

met two sets of lawyers and um they
Dutch lawyers I mean so impressive um

Dutch lawyers I mean so impressive um

Dutch lawyers I mean so impressive um
and and of course we've also met the

and and of course we've also met the

and and of course we've also met the
team who are very much involved in the

team who are very much involved in the

team who are very much involved in the
salgar vitamin D case um that's very

salgar vitamin D case um that's very

salgar vitamin D case um that's very
important for for people particularly in

important for for people particularly in

important for for people particularly in
Northern latitudes and you'll notice

Northern latitudes and you'll notice

Northern latitudes and you'll notice
that um you have an Italian background

that um you have an Italian background

that um you have an Italian background
so you'll notice in Italy BL Zone BL

so you'll notice in Italy BL Zone BL

so you'll notice in Italy BL Zone BL
Sardinia ah I've I've been to the Blue

Sardinia ah I've I've been to the Blue

Sardinia ah I've I've been to the Blue
Zone in Sardinia yeah um but you'll

Zone in Sardinia yeah um but you'll

Zone in Sardinia yeah um but you'll
notice that um in southern Europe people

notice that um in southern Europe people

notice that um in southern Europe people
are not so concerned about supplements

are not so concerned about supplements

are not so concerned about supplements
because the diet is healthier it's more

because the diet is healthier it's more

because the diet is healthier it's more
locally produced it's often grown in the

locally produced it's often grown in the

locally produced it's often grown in the
soil there's less greenhouse and

soil there's less greenhouse and

soil there's less greenhouse and
hydroponic culture my family laughs

hydroponic culture my family laughs

hydroponic culture my family laughs
about biological food because they say

about biological food because they say

about biological food because they say
we don't have biological food it's

we don't have biological food it's

we don't have biological food it's
always biological it's always biological

always biological it's always biological

always biological it's always biological
exactly um so so you don't have the same

exactly um so so you don't have the same

exactly um so so you don't have the same
problem so as we move more

problem so as we move more

problem so as we move more
north um and it's why we we've been very

north um and it's why we we've been very

north um and it's why we we've been very
involved there's been already a big case

involved there's been already a big case

involved there's been already a big case
we' provided a lot of the scientific

we' provided a lot of the scientific

we' provided a lot of the scientific
information for the cases in Sweden and

information for the cases in Sweden and

information for the cases in Sweden and
actually we lost some of these cases in

actually we lost some of these cases in

actually we lost some of these cases in
the more Junior courts but then we got

the more Junior courts but then we got

the more Junior courts but then we got
to the Supreme Court in Sweden and we've

to the Supreme Court in Sweden and we've

to the Supreme Court in Sweden and we've
won the case to have higher levels than

won the case to have higher levels than

won the case to have higher levels than
the European stipulated

the European stipulated

the European stipulated
um up a safe level so um you know we

um up a safe level so um you know we

um up a safe level so um you know we
need to make sure that the the best

need to make sure that the the best

need to make sure that the the best
lawyers are engaged to try and create a

lawyers are engaged to try and create a

lawyers are engaged to try and create a
system that's fair for everyone and

system that's fair for everyone and

system that's fair for everyone and
doesn't deprive people from managing

doesn't deprive people from managing

doesn't deprive people from managing
their own health

their own health

their own health
responsibly thank you Robert for your

responsibly thank you Robert for your

responsibly thank you Robert for your
work and your

Robert thanks for having you and hope to

Robert thanks for having you and hope to
see you soon look forward to it thank

see you soon look forward to it thank

see you soon look forward to it thank
you love

you

you
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