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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,439 --> 00:00:18,023 (Orchestral music plays ) 2 00:00:18,023 --> 00:00:19,024 (Orchestral music plays ) 3 00:00:19,024 --> 00:00:20,400 (Orchestral music plays ) 4 00:00:27,032 --> 00:00:28,450 Dispatcher: Brown and Walker, 5 00:00:28,533 --> 00:00:33,496 bring the train out from 16 track. 6 00:01:50,282 --> 00:01:52,367 # If you're feeling all right, and you think you're on # 7 00:01:52,450 --> 00:01:54,536 # Somebody let me know # 8 00:01:54,619 --> 00:01:56,454 # Everybody in the place put a whistle in your face # 9 00:01:56,538 --> 00:01:59,499 # Scream it out and say, yo! Hit it! # 10 00:01:59,582 --> 00:02:02,127 # You don't stop the rocking rhythm that makes 11 00:02:02,210 --> 00:02:03,545 your fingers pop # 12 00:02:03,628 --> 00:02:05,714 # I said hip-hop, now, thanks a lot # 13 00:02:05,797 --> 00:02:08,216 # Come on, everybody, give me what you got # 14 00:02:08,300 --> 00:02:09,467 # I'm going to tell you a little story about the 15 00:02:09,551 --> 00:02:10,760 Sugar Hill Gang # 16 00:02:10,885 --> 00:02:13,054 # With the pow-pow boogie, the big bang-bang. # 17 00:02:13,138 --> 00:02:14,681 Narrator: They call themselves "writers" 18 00:02:14,764 --> 00:02:15,765 because that's what they do. 19 00:02:15,849 --> 00:02:19,227 They write their names, among other things, everywhere-- 20 00:02:19,311 --> 00:02:22,147 names they've been given or have chosen for themselves. 21 00:02:22,230 --> 00:02:24,733 Most of all, they write in and on subway trains 22 00:02:24,816 --> 00:02:27,736 which carry their names from one end of the city to the other. 23 00:02:27,819 --> 00:02:31,364 It's called, "bombing," and it has equally assertive 24 00:02:31,448 --> 00:02:35,577 counterparts in rap music and break dancing. 25 00:02:35,660 --> 00:02:36,703 # Scream it out and say, "I am!" # 26 00:02:36,786 --> 00:02:38,705 # I am! # 27 00:02:38,788 --> 00:02:40,081 - # Somebody! # - 28 00:02:40,165 --> 00:02:41,499 # Somebody! # 29 00:02:41,583 --> 00:02:43,626 - Graffiti writing in New York is a vocation. 30 00:02:43,710 --> 00:02:46,379 It's traditions are handed down from one youthful 31 00:02:46,463 --> 00:02:48,089 generation to the next. 32 00:02:48,173 --> 00:02:49,632 To some, it's art. 33 00:02:49,716 --> 00:02:52,302 To most people, however, it is a plague 34 00:02:52,385 --> 00:02:57,349 that never ends, a symbol that we've lost control. 35 00:02:57,849 --> 00:03:00,101 I'm Detective Bernie Jacobs. 36 00:03:00,185 --> 00:03:01,603 I, in conjunction with my 37 00:03:01,686 --> 00:03:03,396 partner Detective Jim McHugh, 38 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:04,856 are the crime prevention coordinators 39 00:03:04,939 --> 00:03:07,525 for the New York City Transit Police Department. 40 00:03:07,609 --> 00:03:12,572 Graffiti, as the name itself, is not an art. 41 00:03:14,491 --> 00:03:19,454 Graffiti is the application of a medium to a surface. 42 00:03:19,662 --> 00:03:22,624 I will show you graffiti, such as the letters 43 00:03:22,707 --> 00:03:26,294 on the end of that car directly in back of me. 44 00:03:26,378 --> 00:03:28,129 Is that an art form? 45 00:03:28,213 --> 00:03:29,172 I don't know. 46 00:03:29,255 --> 00:03:31,758 I'm not an art crime critic, but I can sure as hell tell you 47 00:03:31,841 --> 00:03:32,842 that that's a crime. 48 00:03:40,558 --> 00:03:43,812 At the Grand Concourse 149th Street station in the Bronx, 49 00:03:43,895 --> 00:03:45,855 graffiti writers gather 50 00:03:45,939 --> 00:03:50,902 at what they call, "The Writers' Bench." 51 00:03:59,327 --> 00:04:01,162 SE3: They're saying that the kids run the subways, 52 00:04:01,246 --> 00:04:03,331 that the system is out of control, 53 00:04:03,415 --> 00:04:06,334 that 15- or 16-year-old kids are running the system 54 00:04:06,418 --> 00:04:09,170 and that graffiti is the symbol of that. 55 00:04:09,254 --> 00:04:12,549 No, I ain't running the system, I'm bombing the system. 56 00:04:12,632 --> 00:04:14,300 They're trying to make it look like graffiti writers 57 00:04:14,384 --> 00:04:16,219 break windows and everything. 58 00:04:16,302 --> 00:04:17,345 - It ain't even like that. 59 00:04:17,429 --> 00:04:18,430 - You know who be doin' that? 60 00:04:18,513 --> 00:04:20,181 Niggas who be high when they come from school 61 00:04:20,265 --> 00:04:21,349 are the ones who break the windows. 62 00:04:21,433 --> 00:04:24,936 - And it's in the graffiti artists' favor to be as cool, 63 00:04:25,019 --> 00:04:28,648 calm and collected about putting his art on the train as he can. 64 00:04:28,731 --> 00:04:31,901 You know, he wants to get in and get out 65 00:04:31,985 --> 00:04:33,194 without even being noticed, 66 00:04:33,278 --> 00:04:34,946 except for the work that's going to come out to the public, 67 00:04:35,029 --> 00:04:37,490 you know, that Monday. 68 00:04:42,537 --> 00:04:44,706 CES: Yeah, we got to start to rock some straight letters. 69 00:04:44,789 --> 00:04:45,915 - This one came out all right. 70 00:04:45,999 --> 00:04:47,375 - Yeah, that's the first. 71 00:04:47,459 --> 00:04:49,878 That's about the third "Skeme" piece I did this year. 72 00:04:49,961 --> 00:04:52,255 And that's the Tick-Tack I did in Gun Hill. 73 00:04:52,338 --> 00:04:53,548 - What'd you do last night? 74 00:04:53,631 --> 00:04:55,467 - We did two whole cars. 75 00:04:55,550 --> 00:04:57,469 It was me, Dez and Mean 3. 76 00:04:57,552 --> 00:04:59,345 And in the first car, in small letters, it said, 77 00:04:59,429 --> 00:05:00,638 "All you see is" 78 00:05:00,722 --> 00:05:03,975 and then big block silver letters, it said, 79 00:05:04,058 --> 00:05:05,643 "Crime in the city, " right? 80 00:05:05,727 --> 00:05:06,686 - It took up the whole car? 81 00:05:06,769 --> 00:05:08,646 Yeah, it was a whole car, and shit, and then it was a 82 00:05:08,730 --> 00:05:11,232 you know, one of them scrolls? scroll-like, 83 00:05:11,316 --> 00:05:14,402 In the next car it was a Skeme that had a cop character. 84 00:05:14,486 --> 00:05:17,405 You know, a police nigga with a stick, you know, and a badge 85 00:05:17,489 --> 00:05:18,781 - What designs you put around the car? 86 00:05:18,865 --> 00:05:20,533 Barbara Andadcio: Society should go down in the subway 87 00:05:20,617 --> 00:05:23,286 and lock because they don't have any business down there. 88 00:05:23,369 --> 00:05:24,913 It is dangerous down there. 89 00:05:24,996 --> 00:05:27,832 People that work down there 25 and 30 years... 90 00:05:27,916 --> 00:05:29,542 have accidents. 91 00:05:29,626 --> 00:05:32,545 But his contention is that he's immortal, I guess, 92 00:05:32,629 --> 00:05:35,256 Like most 17 year olds are immortal, right? 93 00:05:35,340 --> 00:05:37,509 - It's a matter of getting a tag on each line and each division. 94 00:05:37,592 --> 00:05:41,262 You know, it's called going all-city. 95 00:05:41,346 --> 00:05:44,724 People see your tags in Queens, Uptown, Downtown-- all over. 96 00:05:44,807 --> 00:05:45,767 ( laughing ) 97 00:05:46,851 --> 00:05:49,812 - Really, I can only laugh to keep from crying, 98 00:05:50,021 --> 00:05:51,773 because what happens is that he really-- 99 00:05:51,856 --> 00:05:54,943 I don't really think he knows how silly that sounds. 100 00:05:55,026 --> 00:05:55,944 He's going all-city. 101 00:05:56,027 --> 00:05:57,904 I mean, to what end? 102 00:05:57,987 --> 00:05:59,447 And when I ask him, he says to me, 103 00:05:59,531 --> 00:06:01,866 "Well, just so people see it and they know who I am." 104 00:06:01,950 --> 00:06:04,410 Nobody knows who he is and so they see it-- 105 00:06:04,494 --> 00:06:06,329 - No, it's not a matter of, "So they know who I am." 106 00:06:06,412 --> 00:06:09,290 - So they see it. And after they see it, so what? 107 00:06:09,374 --> 00:06:11,668 - It's a matter of bombing, knowing that I can do it. 108 00:06:11,751 --> 00:06:14,754 Every time I get into a train, almost every day I see my name. 109 00:06:14,837 --> 00:06:17,507 I say, "Yeah, you know it. I was there, I bombed it." 110 00:06:17,590 --> 00:06:18,716 It's for me. 111 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,468 It's not for nobody else to see. 112 00:06:20,552 --> 00:06:22,637 I don't care-- I don't care about nobody else seeing it, 113 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,556 or the fact if they can read it or not. 114 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:27,809 It's for me and other graffiti writers, that we can read it. 115 00:06:27,892 --> 00:06:29,978 All these other people who don't write, they're excluded. 116 00:06:30,061 --> 00:06:31,771 I don't care about them, you know? 117 00:06:31,854 --> 00:06:32,939 They don't matter to me. 118 00:06:33,022 --> 00:06:34,816 It's for us. 119 00:06:34,899 --> 00:06:37,860 Iz the Wiz: "CC" starboard bow. 120 00:06:41,573 --> 00:06:42,532 Quik: Slow it down. 121 00:06:42,615 --> 00:06:43,908 Slow it down. 122 00:06:43,992 --> 00:06:44,909 Min: What is it? 123 00:06:44,993 --> 00:06:46,828 You tell me. 124 00:06:47,870 --> 00:06:49,664 - Nice and slow. 125 00:06:49,747 --> 00:06:52,000 Iz: This is it! 126 00:06:52,083 --> 00:06:53,668 This is it! 127 00:06:53,751 --> 00:06:57,839 This is it! 128 00:06:58,423 --> 00:07:01,509 ( Yelling ) 129 00:07:01,593 --> 00:07:03,011 Here we go! 130 00:07:03,094 --> 00:07:04,387 Here we go! 131 00:07:04,470 --> 00:07:05,847 This is it! 132 00:07:05,930 --> 00:07:09,017 This is it! 133 00:07:09,100 --> 00:07:10,476 Give me that towel! 134 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,061 Give me that towel! 135 00:07:12,145 --> 00:07:13,605 That "Cathy" came out nice. 136 00:07:13,688 --> 00:07:15,690 That y wasn't wack. 137 00:07:15,773 --> 00:07:19,694 ( Quik applauds ) 138 00:07:19,777 --> 00:07:22,530 ( starts and stops music ) 139 00:07:22,614 --> 00:07:24,532 - In the 1970's New York graffiti, 140 00:07:24,616 --> 00:07:27,702 rapping and breaking became the prime expressions 141 00:07:27,785 --> 00:07:30,955 of a new young people's subculture called "hip-hop." 142 00:07:31,039 --> 00:07:32,707 Graffiti is the written word. 143 00:07:32,790 --> 00:07:35,543 There is the spoken word of rap music... 144 00:07:35,627 --> 00:07:37,670 ( rap music playing ) 145 00:07:37,754 --> 00:07:39,756 and then there's the acrobatic body language 146 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:42,800 of dances like"breaking. " 147 00:07:51,726 --> 00:07:54,020 Frosty Freeze: It started in the Bronx and part of Harlem. 148 00:07:54,103 --> 00:07:57,565 It started in Freeze's house. 149 00:07:57,649 --> 00:07:59,942 His mom used to break. 150 00:08:00,026 --> 00:08:02,862 - Don't be talking about my mother, now. 151 00:08:02,945 --> 00:08:06,449 Just don't talk about my mother. 152 00:08:06,532 --> 00:08:08,910 Boy, you're acting stupid now. 153 00:08:08,993 --> 00:08:10,578 Breaking is when you don't have nothing to do, 154 00:08:10,662 --> 00:08:15,124 everybody just standing around and getting high. 155 00:08:15,500 --> 00:08:17,418 - You make up your own freezes. 156 00:08:17,502 --> 00:08:19,045 - You got names for them. 157 00:08:19,504 --> 00:08:20,421 You call em 158 00:08:20,505 --> 00:08:21,964 - Like what? 159 00:08:22,048 --> 00:08:25,009 - Like the baby. 160 00:08:28,513 --> 00:08:29,806 That's the baby. 161 00:08:29,931 --> 00:08:33,142 A dead freeze, like this. 162 00:08:33,226 --> 00:08:35,186 Crazy Legs: That's one of them old, ancient-- 163 00:08:35,269 --> 00:08:36,938 That ain't one of the old, 'cause I was the first 164 00:08:37,021 --> 00:08:38,106 one to do it. 165 00:08:38,189 --> 00:08:39,816 - How ancient can you get? 166 00:08:40,817 --> 00:08:42,026 - The one when you go like this? 167 00:08:42,110 --> 00:08:43,194 - It's called the hump. 168 00:08:43,277 --> 00:08:44,654 - The headache. 169 00:08:44,737 --> 00:08:46,197 - No, that's the headache. 170 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,200 And the other one is the hump. 171 00:08:49,283 --> 00:08:54,247 - When you got a headache, you go like that, you know? 172 00:08:54,706 --> 00:08:58,751 When you hump, you go like that. 173 00:09:39,834 --> 00:09:44,005 - Yo, man, this place is bombed. 174 00:09:47,049 --> 00:09:48,551 Iz: This is the transit system. 175 00:09:48,634 --> 00:09:50,219 They don't like it to be defaced. 176 00:09:50,303 --> 00:09:52,054 They will, at times, try and... 177 00:09:52,138 --> 00:09:56,517 go to the extreme in trying to apprehend you. 178 00:09:56,601 --> 00:09:59,061 The subway system is a very old one 179 00:09:59,145 --> 00:10:01,606 and I've personally explored some tunnels 180 00:10:01,689 --> 00:10:04,025 and I've found rooms with maps that were so old, 181 00:10:04,108 --> 00:10:06,027 might have been like the first train line 182 00:10:06,110 --> 00:10:08,613 that New York City had. 183 00:10:08,696 --> 00:10:10,281 Call it what you want, 184 00:10:10,364 --> 00:10:12,867 it's just a lot of rock, a lot of steel; 185 00:10:12,950 --> 00:10:17,079 it's a tomb, a dungeon, under the city. 186 00:10:22,126 --> 00:10:24,670 A lot of trains, a lot of fun. 187 00:10:24,754 --> 00:10:25,713 A lot of art. 188 00:10:25,797 --> 00:10:26,714 Art that's going to be 189 00:10:26,798 --> 00:10:29,842 a part of New York City's history forever. 190 00:10:29,926 --> 00:10:33,888 Sach: Oh, wow! Check it out, a whole car! 191 00:10:33,971 --> 00:10:36,557 Check it out, man! Sach, quick. 192 00:10:36,641 --> 00:10:39,936 Look at that! 193 00:10:40,019 --> 00:10:42,146 - A lot of writers have been down here. You can tell. 194 00:10:42,230 --> 00:10:45,149 Graffiti all over the place. 195 00:10:45,233 --> 00:10:47,568 Years ago, it was pretty much a secret. 196 00:10:47,652 --> 00:10:48,569 It was secretly done. 197 00:10:48,653 --> 00:10:51,030 People wondered and wished they could do it. 198 00:10:51,113 --> 00:10:53,741 Now, most people do it. 199 00:10:55,785 --> 00:10:58,162 When all the toys are like home sleeping... 200 00:10:58,246 --> 00:10:59,747 cuddling to their pillows. 201 00:10:59,831 --> 00:11:01,249 They usually have curfews. 202 00:11:01,332 --> 00:11:02,583 Come down... 203 00:11:02,667 --> 00:11:04,585 in the wee hours of the night after the workers done 204 00:11:04,669 --> 00:11:09,215 their job, the sweepers did the sweeping they had to do... 205 00:11:09,298 --> 00:11:12,051 I just take my time and be creative. 206 00:11:13,094 --> 00:11:15,763 Dondi: I think it's something you can never recapture again 207 00:11:15,847 --> 00:11:16,973 once you experience it. 208 00:11:17,056 --> 00:11:18,850 You have, like, live third rails, 209 00:11:18,933 --> 00:11:23,688 and like, crazy cops who come and chase you out. 210 00:11:23,771 --> 00:11:26,148 Even the smell you get when you first smell trains 211 00:11:26,232 --> 00:11:31,195 in a yard, it's like... it's a good smell to, like, 212 00:11:31,362 --> 00:11:34,407 a dedicated graffiti writer, I guess. 213 00:11:40,454 --> 00:11:42,039 When you're first against a train, it's like 214 00:11:42,123 --> 00:11:45,918 everything seems so big, like... wow! 215 00:11:46,002 --> 00:11:49,338 It's like you're in a yard of metal giants, and like, 216 00:11:49,422 --> 00:11:54,385 I mean, everything is so hard, and so steel, you're just there. 217 00:11:55,303 --> 00:11:57,847 You're like a little dude in the midst of all this metal, 218 00:11:57,930 --> 00:11:59,891 and like, you're here to produce something. 219 00:11:59,974 --> 00:12:03,352 Well, you're here to try to produce something. 220 00:12:10,735 --> 00:12:14,196 - Well, I've seen comparable graffiti. 221 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,782 Not necessarily these particular ones. 222 00:12:16,866 --> 00:12:19,869 Each of these costs us a million dollars, in a sense, 223 00:12:19,952 --> 00:12:24,206 because others went out and tried to copy. 224 00:12:24,290 --> 00:12:25,833 It isn't worth it. 225 00:12:25,917 --> 00:12:27,877 Well, it is one of the quality-of-life offenses. 226 00:12:28,294 --> 00:12:31,797 And you can't just take one of those quality-of-life offenses; 227 00:12:31,881 --> 00:12:35,843 it's like three-card-monte and pick pocketing and 228 00:12:35,927 --> 00:12:39,430 shoplifting and graffiti 229 00:12:39,513 --> 00:12:43,017 defacing our public and private walls. 230 00:12:43,100 --> 00:12:48,064 They're all in the same area of destroying our lifestyle 231 00:12:48,272 --> 00:12:51,692 and making it difficult to enjoy life. 232 00:12:51,776 --> 00:12:55,071 And I think it has to be responded to. 233 00:12:55,154 --> 00:12:58,991 So I've told you the response that I think a repeater, 234 00:12:59,075 --> 00:13:02,244 three-time repeater, should get would be five days in jail. 235 00:13:02,328 --> 00:13:05,373 Now, obviously, a murderer, if you believe in the 236 00:13:05,456 --> 00:13:06,874 death penalty as I do, 237 00:13:06,958 --> 00:13:09,710 you want to have the option of executing a murderer. 238 00:13:09,794 --> 00:13:11,754 You wouldn't do that to a graffiti writer. 239 00:13:16,801 --> 00:13:18,177 Man: I saw you at work over here and I just want to 240 00:13:18,260 --> 00:13:20,221 find out what you're filming. 241 00:13:20,304 --> 00:13:23,140 Interviewer: We're making a film on subway graffiti in New York. 242 00:13:23,224 --> 00:13:26,227 Why did you take this particular neighborhood here? 243 00:13:26,310 --> 00:13:28,479 What's unusual? 244 00:13:28,562 --> 00:13:31,440 Is there more graffiti here than other places? 245 00:13:31,524 --> 00:13:32,733 I hope not. 246 00:13:32,817 --> 00:13:34,402 - We're here because one of the best 247 00:13:34,485 --> 00:13:37,822 graffiti writers lives around here. 248 00:13:37,905 --> 00:13:39,323 He writes "Seen. " 249 00:13:39,407 --> 00:13:40,449 - What is it? 250 00:13:40,533 --> 00:13:42,034 - S-E-E-N. 251 00:13:42,118 --> 00:13:45,788 ( "The Wanderer" plays ) 252 00:13:45,871 --> 00:13:46,872 - That's his name? 253 00:13:46,956 --> 00:13:47,915 - Yes, that's what he writes. 254 00:13:47,999 --> 00:13:49,417 - Or is it a nom de plume? 255 00:13:49,500 --> 00:13:50,793 - It is a nom de plume. 256 00:13:50,876 --> 00:13:51,877 I see. 257 00:13:51,961 --> 00:13:53,212 You wouldn't tell me his real name? 258 00:13:53,295 --> 00:13:54,797 - No. 259 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:55,923 - Why not? 260 00:13:56,007 --> 00:13:58,259 Would he get in trouble, or wouldn't he be glorified by it? 261 00:13:58,342 --> 00:14:03,305 # Oh, I'm the type of guy who'll never settle down # 262 00:14:03,472 --> 00:14:07,768 # Where pretty girls are, well, you know that I'm around 263 00:14:07,852 --> 00:14:09,353 # I kiss 'em and I love 'em ## 264 00:14:09,437 --> 00:14:11,439 # 'Cause to me they're all the same # 265 00:14:11,522 --> 00:14:13,274 # I hug 'em and I squeeze 'em # 266 00:14:13,357 --> 00:14:15,276 # They don't even know my name # 267 00:14:15,359 --> 00:14:17,445 # Yeah, I'm a wanderer # 268 00:14:17,528 --> 00:14:19,488 # Yeah, I'm a wanderer # 269 00:14:19,572 --> 00:14:22,324 # I roam around, around, around, around # 270 00:14:22,408 --> 00:14:24,368 - Yeah, go ahead and go - 271 00:14:24,493 --> 00:14:28,414 ( saxophone solo plays ) 272 00:14:41,052 --> 00:14:42,511 # 'Cause I'm a wanderer # 273 00:14:42,595 --> 00:14:44,555 # Yeah, I'm a wanderer # 274 00:14:44,638 --> 00:14:48,893 # I roam around, around, around, around, around # 275 00:14:48,976 --> 00:14:50,978 # 'Cause I'm a wanderer # 276 00:14:51,062 --> 00:14:52,813 # Yeah, I'm a wanderer. # 277 00:14:52,897 --> 00:14:54,982 Seen: All right, there's about four numerous reasons why... 278 00:14:55,066 --> 00:15:00,029 I ain't painting right now. To make a long story short, 279 00:15:00,905 --> 00:15:03,574 I'm on what they call a six-month probation. 280 00:15:03,657 --> 00:15:06,911 I call it a six-month vacation, never mind probation. 281 00:15:06,994 --> 00:15:08,496 Now they got a graffiti squad on this line, 282 00:15:08,579 --> 00:15:10,414 which there really was never, really. 283 00:15:10,498 --> 00:15:13,125 Since they come on this line, it's been harder to piece. 284 00:15:13,209 --> 00:15:15,961 It ain't like the old days when the train pulled into the yard 285 00:15:16,045 --> 00:15:17,338 on a Friday night, 286 00:15:17,421 --> 00:15:19,465 that train wouldn't pull out until Monday morning. 287 00:15:19,548 --> 00:15:21,509 Now, when you go to piece a train, 288 00:15:21,592 --> 00:15:24,261 you put an outline on the train and you can say goodbye, 289 00:15:24,345 --> 00:15:26,597 the train pulls out 10 minutes later. 290 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,182 Or, if you're ready to put an outline, 291 00:15:28,265 --> 00:15:29,600 you got to chase the train down the track 292 00:15:29,683 --> 00:15:31,477 to put an outline on the piece. 293 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,062 It just ain't the same anymore. 294 00:15:33,145 --> 00:15:37,233 They don't know what they're doing no more. 295 00:15:37,316 --> 00:15:40,027 Late, as usual. 296 00:15:40,111 --> 00:15:41,028 But I'm here. 297 00:15:41,112 --> 00:15:42,196 I show up, though. 298 00:15:42,279 --> 00:15:43,197 I show up. 299 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,199 Let me see. 300 00:15:45,282 --> 00:15:46,534 Well, why don't you do this one on 301 00:15:46,617 --> 00:15:48,869 that side of the wall? 302 00:15:48,953 --> 00:15:49,870 - You know what I'm saying? 303 00:15:49,954 --> 00:15:50,871 - These two? 304 00:15:50,955 --> 00:15:51,872 - No. This one-- 305 00:15:51,956 --> 00:15:52,873 - It's going to be crowded. 306 00:15:52,957 --> 00:15:54,625 - We're going to have plenty of room. 307 00:15:54,708 --> 00:15:55,876 - The bottom of the piece? 308 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,878 - The bottom of the piece, I say, "The United Artists" 309 00:15:57,962 --> 00:16:00,422 will go a little bit below the top, about here. 310 00:16:00,506 --> 00:16:02,049 'Cause you're going to have it on a wave. Big letters. 311 00:16:02,133 --> 00:16:03,467 I want you to start from about here. 312 00:16:03,551 --> 00:16:05,010 Maybe even here. 313 00:16:05,094 --> 00:16:06,053 Start it from here. 314 00:16:06,303 --> 00:16:07,388 Listen to me. 315 00:16:07,471 --> 00:16:08,556 From here. 316 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:09,557 You understand what I'm saying to you? 317 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,519 ( Paint spraying ) 318 00:16:13,602 --> 00:16:15,563 - I still think it's too big. 319 00:16:20,359 --> 00:16:23,070 - Now, your first outline is needed, always needed. 320 00:16:23,154 --> 00:16:25,364 This way you know what you're filling in. 321 00:16:25,447 --> 00:16:26,657 No matter how good you are, you can't just go on in 322 00:16:26,740 --> 00:16:29,910 and just start filling in-- in the air. 323 00:16:29,994 --> 00:16:31,162 You've got to have your first outline. 324 00:16:31,245 --> 00:16:33,455 Once your first outline is done, then your fill-in, 325 00:16:33,539 --> 00:16:35,082 that takes away your first outline. 326 00:16:35,166 --> 00:16:36,917 You don't need your first because now you 327 00:16:37,001 --> 00:16:38,127 got your fill-in. 328 00:16:38,210 --> 00:16:41,088 From your fill-in, you put your colors and then your 3-D. 329 00:16:41,172 --> 00:16:44,466 If you want background, you put your cloud or whatever. 330 00:16:45,509 --> 00:16:46,343 How's this, Nick? 331 00:16:46,427 --> 00:16:47,428 I'm throwing a few connections here. 332 00:16:47,511 --> 00:16:51,098 I'm going to make it look like yours. 333 00:16:51,182 --> 00:16:52,433 What do you think? 334 00:16:52,516 --> 00:16:57,146 I'll make a few bits. 335 00:16:57,229 --> 00:16:59,690 All right. Huh? 336 00:16:59,773 --> 00:17:00,691 Bits. Bits. 337 00:17:00,774 --> 00:17:01,692 I don't know. 338 00:17:01,775 --> 00:17:03,444 Little doodads here and there. 339 00:17:03,527 --> 00:17:05,279 Yeah, now it's shaping up. 340 00:17:05,362 --> 00:17:08,449 I have about a hundred outlines, but I've shaped it up. 341 00:17:08,532 --> 00:17:10,034 Nicky, Nicky, come on! 342 00:17:10,117 --> 00:17:11,994 You gonna save me room or what? 343 00:17:12,077 --> 00:17:13,078 I didn't do that to yours. 344 00:17:13,162 --> 00:17:14,079 Get out of there! 345 00:17:14,163 --> 00:17:15,080 Go on! 346 00:17:15,164 --> 00:17:16,999 Woman: He's making a mess in this house. 347 00:17:17,082 --> 00:17:20,961 He cannot sit down without, 348 00:17:21,045 --> 00:17:23,172 you know, doing graffiti on something. 349 00:17:23,255 --> 00:17:24,298 - All right-- 350 00:17:24,381 --> 00:17:25,507 - He really can't. 351 00:17:25,591 --> 00:17:27,051 - When you're talking on the phone, 352 00:17:27,134 --> 00:17:28,260 you don't doodle on the paper? 353 00:17:28,344 --> 00:17:29,220 - I don't doodle. 354 00:17:29,303 --> 00:17:30,095 - Yes, you do. 355 00:17:30,179 --> 00:17:31,055 - I do not doodle. 356 00:17:31,138 --> 00:17:32,056 - You do doodle on the paper. 357 00:17:32,139 --> 00:17:33,307 I don't doodle. 358 00:17:33,390 --> 00:17:35,309 I just write my name while I'm talking on the phone. 359 00:17:35,392 --> 00:17:36,644 What's that? 360 00:17:36,727 --> 00:17:38,312 I'm just writing something. 361 00:17:38,395 --> 00:17:40,272 - You're telling me that you write your name 362 00:17:40,356 --> 00:17:41,315 while you're talking on the phone. 363 00:17:41,398 --> 00:17:45,444 In the meantime, you have destroyed your room. 364 00:17:45,527 --> 00:17:47,029 You have destroyed your room. 365 00:17:47,112 --> 00:17:48,155 - Testing out my paints. 366 00:17:48,239 --> 00:17:49,365 - You have no respect for anything. 367 00:17:49,448 --> 00:17:50,991 Don't tell me about testing out your paints. 368 00:17:51,075 --> 00:17:52,993 You have no respect for anything anymore. 369 00:17:53,077 --> 00:17:55,746 - Ain't we putting red, yellow, or red, orange and yellow here? 370 00:17:55,829 --> 00:17:57,539 - No, the brown's got to be brown. 371 00:17:57,623 --> 00:17:58,999 I ain't putting no browns there. 372 00:17:59,083 --> 00:18:00,251 Ain't no way. 373 00:18:00,334 --> 00:18:01,752 Red, orange and yellow. 374 00:18:01,835 --> 00:18:03,170 You want it to stand out. 375 00:18:03,254 --> 00:18:05,422 Boom The whole thing. 376 00:18:05,506 --> 00:18:07,341 Around the whole works-- red, orange, yellow. 377 00:18:07,424 --> 00:18:10,135 Remember how I did the "Mad Seen" with the wall 378 00:18:10,219 --> 00:18:12,388 and the color went all around the thing? 379 00:18:12,471 --> 00:18:15,015 The "Mad Seen," the one on the 5s? 380 00:18:15,099 --> 00:18:16,308 With the walls all falling down. 381 00:18:16,392 --> 00:18:18,394 The one I did myself. 382 00:18:18,477 --> 00:18:19,687 - No. - All right. 383 00:18:19,770 --> 00:18:21,563 Let me explain. 384 00:18:21,647 --> 00:18:24,608 Yellow, orange and a little bit of red-- 385 00:18:24,692 --> 00:18:26,277 yellow and orange around the whole thing and then, 386 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:29,154 we'll put browns and beiges in the 3-D. 387 00:18:29,238 --> 00:18:30,197 Believe me. 388 00:18:30,281 --> 00:18:31,073 I'll show you. 389 00:18:31,156 --> 00:18:32,449 Not around the fade. 390 00:18:32,533 --> 00:18:33,492 Fade into the yellow, but a trim over it-- 391 00:18:33,575 --> 00:18:34,576 a cheap trim. 392 00:18:34,660 --> 00:18:35,619 I'll show you after. 393 00:18:35,703 --> 00:18:36,578 I'll show you after. 394 00:18:36,662 --> 00:18:38,539 All right? 395 00:18:38,622 --> 00:18:43,210 I'll never steer you wrong, Nick. 396 00:18:43,294 --> 00:18:48,132 Rustoleum, Krylon, Wet-look, Epoxy, Red Devil... 397 00:18:48,215 --> 00:18:49,550 When you hold a can of Rustoleum in your hand, 398 00:18:49,633 --> 00:18:52,761 it's like holding three other shit brands in your hand. 399 00:18:52,845 --> 00:18:55,556 It lasts, it covers, 400 00:18:55,639 --> 00:18:57,224 and it's not aerosol like Krylon. 401 00:18:57,308 --> 00:18:58,142 It just comes out in a mist. 402 00:18:58,225 --> 00:19:01,228 This comes out like paint. 403 00:19:01,312 --> 00:19:05,149 Mayor Koch: The schools have courses in art. 404 00:19:05,232 --> 00:19:08,193 How about the mothers and fathers of this city 405 00:19:08,277 --> 00:19:11,196 Saying to the kids, "That's the wrong thing to do"? 406 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,074 - You listen to them talk, they sound ridiculous. 407 00:19:14,158 --> 00:19:16,243 He's king of the yakkety-yak yard. 408 00:19:16,327 --> 00:19:18,704 Who died and left him king of any yard? 409 00:19:18,787 --> 00:19:21,749 He owns nothing in the subway, you know? 410 00:19:21,832 --> 00:19:23,208 ( laughs ) 411 00:19:24,251 --> 00:19:25,502 - I love robbing paint. 412 00:19:25,586 --> 00:19:28,464 I know, you know, everybody knows how you rob it. 413 00:19:28,547 --> 00:19:30,549 He gets me suped up and sometimes I'll go and get 414 00:19:30,632 --> 00:19:32,760 15 cans at a time, you know. 415 00:19:32,843 --> 00:19:34,762 Stuffing it in your coat, in your shirt, 416 00:19:34,845 --> 00:19:36,096 down the back of your pants. 417 00:19:36,180 --> 00:19:39,558 It's mainly with the big coat and like 15 cans, 418 00:19:39,641 --> 00:19:42,102 you figure it out, it's like over $50. 419 00:19:42,186 --> 00:19:45,105 You're going into stores-- we could go one day 420 00:19:45,189 --> 00:19:46,607 and get 100 cans at a time. 421 00:19:46,690 --> 00:19:47,858 It's easy. 422 00:19:47,941 --> 00:19:49,443 For me, anyway. 423 00:19:49,526 --> 00:19:52,446 It's harder on black kids or Spanish kids, 424 00:19:52,529 --> 00:19:54,865 'cause like everybody thinks a graffiti writer 425 00:19:54,948 --> 00:19:56,867 is black and Puerto Rican, 426 00:19:56,950 --> 00:20:01,246 and that's like, you know, it's wrong, you know. 427 00:20:01,330 --> 00:20:03,457 A lot of white people are writin'. 428 00:20:03,540 --> 00:20:08,504 - What you've got is a whole miserable subculture. 429 00:20:09,713 --> 00:20:12,508 Zephyr: I was raised on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. 430 00:20:12,591 --> 00:20:17,304 I went to a sort of strict prep school in the Bronx, right? 431 00:20:17,388 --> 00:20:18,889 Riverdale Country School. 432 00:20:18,972 --> 00:20:23,811 In attending that school, I had to walk past the 1 yard 433 00:20:23,894 --> 00:20:26,647 on 242nd Street every day. 434 00:20:26,730 --> 00:20:29,441 From where I stood, I'd watch the trains pull in and out. 435 00:20:29,525 --> 00:20:31,735 I thought, "How could a human being 436 00:20:31,819 --> 00:20:34,405 have his name on every car?" 437 00:20:34,488 --> 00:20:37,324 You know, that these guys must either live in there, 438 00:20:37,408 --> 00:20:39,159 be allowed to live in there, 439 00:20:39,243 --> 00:20:44,164 or just be... allowed to go off like that, right? 440 00:20:44,248 --> 00:20:48,168 They're trespassing it; they're beating the system; 441 00:20:48,252 --> 00:20:51,839 they're getting their names up, right? 442 00:20:51,922 --> 00:20:54,842 We've drenched the city with our names, right? 443 00:20:54,925 --> 00:20:57,344 We're trying our damndest. 444 00:20:57,428 --> 00:21:02,391 ( lengthy instrumental intro ) 445 00:21:23,036 --> 00:21:24,663 # Pump, pump, pump me up # 446 00:21:24,746 --> 00:21:26,582 # Like the man with the super "S" on his cape # 447 00:21:26,665 --> 00:21:28,709 # Jump through the pump and do great # 448 00:21:28,792 --> 00:21:30,794 # I'm DJ Rockin' and I can pass the test # 449 00:21:30,878 --> 00:21:33,380 # Get down rappers from east to west # 450 00:21:33,464 --> 00:21:35,591 # This party, please, that party, please # 451 00:21:35,674 --> 00:21:37,801 # I'll pump them with the greatest of ease # 452 00:21:37,885 --> 00:21:39,928 # This is DJ Rockin' with the master beat # 453 00:21:40,012 --> 00:21:42,431 # With the boogie and the sound that moves the feet # 454 00:21:42,514 --> 00:21:44,391 # - - Somebody say-- - - Get up! Get up! # 455 00:21:44,475 --> 00:21:46,602 # - - Somebody say-- - - Get up! Get up! # 456 00:21:46,685 --> 00:21:48,854 # You party good you're going down # 457 00:21:48,937 --> 00:21:51,231 # You compliment this funky sound # 458 00:21:51,315 --> 00:21:53,817 # Pump-pump-pump-pump me up!# 459 00:21:53,901 --> 00:21:55,777 - We caught... 460 00:21:55,861 --> 00:21:59,448 a freshly painted... "Double-R," 461 00:21:59,531 --> 00:22:02,409 and we spent about three hours in it. 462 00:22:02,493 --> 00:22:03,577 - That's impossible. 463 00:22:03,660 --> 00:22:04,661 - No, it's not. 464 00:22:04,745 --> 00:22:05,829 We were tagging with the Units, 465 00:22:05,913 --> 00:22:07,414 then the "Minis," then the Marvies, 466 00:22:07,498 --> 00:22:09,750 then the "Pilots," then the Flo-pens 467 00:22:09,833 --> 00:22:10,792 and we were doing clouds 468 00:22:10,876 --> 00:22:13,420 around the tags and 3-Ds on the tags-- 469 00:22:13,504 --> 00:22:16,548 for the Double-Rs, to have a clean car back then, 470 00:22:16,632 --> 00:22:19,551 it was... we just had an orgasm. 471 00:22:19,635 --> 00:22:21,678 # Pump-pump-pump me up! # 472 00:22:21,762 --> 00:22:25,766 Narrator: 1970-- the idea of getting your name up, 473 00:22:25,849 --> 00:22:28,435 not just in your neighborhood, but everywhere, 474 00:22:28,519 --> 00:22:30,812 was invented by a kid named Taki, 475 00:22:30,896 --> 00:22:34,608 who lived on 183rd Street in Washington Heights. 476 00:22:34,691 --> 00:22:36,693 Taki 183. 477 00:22:36,777 --> 00:22:39,488 As soon as everybody understood that it was a name, 478 00:22:39,571 --> 00:22:42,282 they realized that Taki was famous. 479 00:22:42,366 --> 00:22:43,784 Wasp: Taki 183 was the first guy. 480 00:22:43,867 --> 00:22:46,411 Even though they say Julio 204 started before him. 481 00:22:46,495 --> 00:22:47,955 But he was the one who made it famous. 482 00:22:48,038 --> 00:22:50,457 Then, after him, in them times, it was Papo 184. 483 00:22:50,541 --> 00:22:55,504 Then came out Junior 161, Cay 161, they were bombing, too. 484 00:22:56,922 --> 00:23:00,008 Stitch came out around 1971. He was all-city, too. 485 00:23:00,092 --> 00:23:02,469 Barbara, Eva 62, they were girls. 486 00:23:02,553 --> 00:23:04,471 Everybody was writing. 487 00:23:04,555 --> 00:23:06,473 That was what everybody was talking in them days. 488 00:23:06,557 --> 00:23:07,849 # - - Somebody say-- - - Get up! Get up! # 489 00:23:07,933 --> 00:23:10,310 # - - Somebody say... - - Get up! Get up! # 490 00:23:10,394 --> 00:23:12,312 - I got into graffiti, just like riding the trains, 491 00:23:12,396 --> 00:23:13,522 when I was younger. 492 00:23:13,605 --> 00:23:16,358 You know, looking at the old writers' shit, you know? 493 00:23:16,441 --> 00:23:17,985 A lot of new writers around, 494 00:23:18,068 --> 00:23:20,654 you talk to them about a lot of old writers, 495 00:23:20,737 --> 00:23:22,823 they don't know what you're talking about. 496 00:23:22,906 --> 00:23:27,869 - I started in 1973 or 1974, during very... 497 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:34,334 early years of initial bombing, very important years 498 00:23:34,418 --> 00:23:35,127 of graffiti bombing. 499 00:23:35,168 --> 00:23:37,504 If it wasn't for those years, I don't think we would 500 00:23:37,588 --> 00:23:38,672 get where we are today. 501 00:23:38,755 --> 00:23:39,673 That was the life back then. 502 00:23:39,756 --> 00:23:41,383 That was happening. 503 00:23:41,466 --> 00:23:43,552 Everybody was pioneering back then. 504 00:23:43,635 --> 00:23:45,679 That's when all your developing happened-- 505 00:23:45,762 --> 00:23:47,556 your bubble letters, all that kind of stuff. 506 00:23:47,639 --> 00:23:49,016 Your wild styles. 507 00:23:49,099 --> 00:23:53,770 # Pump-pump-pump-pump me up!# 508 00:23:53,854 --> 00:23:55,689 Crash: The wild styles. 509 00:23:55,772 --> 00:24:00,736 Noc: You don't have to do straight letters to have style. 510 00:24:04,072 --> 00:24:06,533 Anything that comes in your imagination 511 00:24:06,617 --> 00:24:08,869 adds onto your own individual style. 512 00:24:08,952 --> 00:24:12,080 The arrow. 513 00:24:12,164 --> 00:24:16,001 Everybody's got their own arrow. 514 00:24:16,084 --> 00:24:21,048 I like that, though. 515 00:24:22,883 --> 00:24:25,719 Various arrow some guys have on-the-letter arrow-- 516 00:24:25,802 --> 00:24:28,764 that was like connection. 517 00:24:28,847 --> 00:24:31,683 Some people had different arrows just going 518 00:24:31,767 --> 00:24:33,101 right through their pieces. 519 00:24:33,185 --> 00:24:35,395 # The funk is here so you can go groove # 520 00:24:35,479 --> 00:24:37,397 # We want to make your body move # 521 00:24:37,481 --> 00:24:40,567 # Pump-pump-pump-pump me up!# 522 00:24:40,651 --> 00:24:44,404 - Colors, designs, style, technical advanced... 523 00:24:44,488 --> 00:24:45,405 - Get loose. 524 00:24:45,489 --> 00:24:46,406 - Get loose. 525 00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:47,449 Cartoons, everything. 526 00:24:47,532 --> 00:24:49,117 And when they see you got a vicious style, 527 00:24:49,201 --> 00:24:50,911 they be wanting to get loose about it, 528 00:24:50,994 --> 00:24:52,913 and that's what keep it going. 529 00:24:52,996 --> 00:24:54,581 - That's what sparks graffiti. 530 00:24:54,665 --> 00:24:56,083 - Keep sparkin' it. 531 00:24:56,166 --> 00:24:58,919 - You know, I know a lot of good writers, 532 00:24:59,002 --> 00:25:01,421 and all the writers that I knew, they used to get up, 533 00:25:01,505 --> 00:25:02,673 so they used to tell me, 534 00:25:02,756 --> 00:25:04,758 "Trap, why don't you get up?" 535 00:25:04,841 --> 00:25:05,676 And I started getting up with them, 536 00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:07,844 we started doing pieces. 537 00:25:07,928 --> 00:25:09,554 Then I met Dez-- 538 00:25:09,638 --> 00:25:12,182 - One day, I came to the bench and I seen him sitting there, 539 00:25:12,265 --> 00:25:13,892 looking at the pieces. 540 00:25:13,975 --> 00:25:16,144 You could tell a writer, you know? 541 00:25:16,228 --> 00:25:17,979 You go to the Bench and you see him 542 00:25:18,063 --> 00:25:20,774 as the trains go by, he be going like this, 543 00:25:20,857 --> 00:25:23,193 you know, he have ink stains on his clothes. 544 00:25:23,276 --> 00:25:26,154 - He gave me outlines and stuff to practice-- 545 00:25:26,238 --> 00:25:29,157 I can't let him go for at least five minutes, 546 00:25:29,241 --> 00:25:31,118 or he'll destroy the piece. 547 00:25:31,201 --> 00:25:35,038 You know? I turn around, "Trap, what you doing? 548 00:25:35,122 --> 00:25:36,456 I want to do my own piece." 549 00:25:36,540 --> 00:25:41,503 I said, "Yeah, but, you know, follow the outline." 550 00:25:42,087 --> 00:25:46,925 - Russ, Russ! 551 00:25:47,008 --> 00:25:48,468 What's up, man? 552 00:25:48,552 --> 00:25:49,511 You know it. 553 00:25:49,594 --> 00:25:51,179 Chillin', man! 554 00:25:51,263 --> 00:25:52,180 Slick Rick! 555 00:25:52,264 --> 00:25:53,849 Slick Rick! 556 00:25:53,932 --> 00:25:57,102 And the Acey Base! 557 00:25:57,185 --> 00:25:59,938 For about two and a half years I was upstate 558 00:26:00,021 --> 00:26:03,567 from like the beginning of 1970 to '72. 559 00:26:03,650 --> 00:26:04,735 What's up? 560 00:26:04,818 --> 00:26:07,738 Hey, what's up? 561 00:26:07,821 --> 00:26:10,157 When I came home, I ain't know nothing about no writing, 562 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,659 no graffiti, 'cause I wasn't about it. 563 00:26:12,743 --> 00:26:16,163 All right, you know it. 564 00:26:16,246 --> 00:26:19,499 What's up, man? 565 00:26:19,583 --> 00:26:22,753 So, when I got home, I seen writing on the train. 566 00:26:22,836 --> 00:26:25,046 I said, "What's this stuff here? 567 00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:27,257 Those niggas doing their names big." 568 00:26:27,340 --> 00:26:28,842 Said, "Let me do one at least." 569 00:26:28,925 --> 00:26:32,179 'Cause I was down with art already. 570 00:26:32,262 --> 00:26:35,098 And I did me a piece for people in general 571 00:26:35,182 --> 00:26:39,102 to get to know who I am. 572 00:26:39,186 --> 00:26:42,063 I said, "Oh, that looks all right. 573 00:26:42,147 --> 00:26:44,232 I'ma go every Sunday now." 574 00:26:44,316 --> 00:26:49,112 Next thing I know, I started getting better and better. 575 00:26:49,196 --> 00:26:52,783 And as I realized, I knew to get better, I said, "Oh, man, 576 00:26:52,866 --> 00:26:54,951 I'm going to bring out the computer rock." 577 00:26:55,035 --> 00:26:56,870 And then that's when I really got loose, 578 00:26:56,953 --> 00:27:01,875 'cause then niggas was saying, "Yo, who's that guy?" 579 00:27:01,958 --> 00:27:04,169 Then one day, these news reporters people 580 00:27:04,252 --> 00:27:05,879 was on train station-- 581 00:27:05,962 --> 00:27:07,214 we was going by and we seen them. 582 00:27:07,297 --> 00:27:09,841 We seen them filming our whole car. 583 00:27:09,925 --> 00:27:11,551 We went up to them, and I remember, I said, 584 00:27:11,635 --> 00:27:13,720 Who you think probably done that right there?" 585 00:27:13,804 --> 00:27:15,847 Just to be curious to see what they'd say. 586 00:27:15,931 --> 00:27:17,557 And they say, "I don't know whoever done it, 587 00:27:17,641 --> 00:27:19,601 that's remarkable talent. 588 00:27:19,684 --> 00:27:24,648 I ain't never seen nothing like this before." 589 00:27:25,315 --> 00:27:27,692 I said, "If I tol u I did it, would you believe me?" 590 00:27:27,776 --> 00:27:29,194 He say, "I don'. I can't say, 591 00:27:29,277 --> 00:27:31,780 but I believe so, 'cause you don't know what you 592 00:27:31,863 --> 00:27:33,073 can believe these days." 593 00:27:33,156 --> 00:27:35,325 I said, "I did. then he said, I don't believe that. 594 00:27:35,408 --> 00:27:36,868 You ain't got one arm." 595 00:27:36,952 --> 00:27:38,161 I said, "That don't mean nothing. 596 00:27:38,245 --> 00:27:40,956 I do things that people don't realize I can do with this. 597 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:43,583 Being that I'm like this, you know?" 598 00:27:43,667 --> 00:27:45,085 And then he said, "I hear you there y." 599 00:27:45,168 --> 00:27:47,003 And I say, "I ain't no sonny. 600 00:27:47,087 --> 00:27:48,255 I just was asking you a question, sir, 601 00:27:48,338 --> 00:27:52,259 that's all I wanted to know, to see your feelings about it." 602 00:27:52,342 --> 00:27:53,969 ( whistling ) 603 00:27:54,052 --> 00:27:58,056 - Do you want to dance? 604 00:27:58,139 --> 00:27:59,599 - What's up? 605 00:27:59,683 --> 00:28:01,309 You getting some candy? 606 00:28:01,393 --> 00:28:03,937 Ain't getting nothing? 607 00:28:04,020 --> 00:28:05,272 Gimme some candy, man. 608 00:28:05,355 --> 00:28:10,318 Ain't got no candy? 609 00:28:11,194 --> 00:28:12,279 Hey, Gigolo! 610 00:28:12,362 --> 00:28:13,864 Whatcha know? 611 00:28:13,947 --> 00:28:15,323 Gigolo! 612 00:28:15,407 --> 00:28:18,994 Where that nigga at? 613 00:28:19,077 --> 00:28:21,079 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can dig it. 614 00:28:21,162 --> 00:28:22,330 - We goin' on the other side, right? 615 00:28:22,414 --> 00:28:23,665 - Word. 616 00:28:23,748 --> 00:28:24,624 Wha-what?-what?-- gigolo. 617 00:28:24,708 --> 00:28:27,085 - What happpenin'? 618 00:28:27,168 --> 00:28:28,211 - The Beatmaster. 619 00:28:28,295 --> 00:28:30,088 - Do you want to dance? 620 00:28:30,171 --> 00:28:31,131 - Are you willing to take a chance? 621 00:28:31,214 --> 00:28:34,426 - Look at that eye. 622 00:28:34,718 --> 00:28:35,886 - Word. Look at that eagle. 623 00:28:35,969 --> 00:28:36,887 Word. 624 00:28:36,970 --> 00:28:39,389 I said look at that eye. 625 00:28:39,472 --> 00:28:41,641 You know where he got that from, right? 626 00:28:41,725 --> 00:28:43,101 From Vaughn Bode and who? 627 00:28:43,184 --> 00:28:45,186 Frank Frazetta! 628 00:28:45,270 --> 00:28:46,354 The Beatmaster. 629 00:28:46,438 --> 00:28:48,064 The letters is breakin' out. 630 00:28:48,148 --> 00:28:49,691 "The epic adventures of a new kind of hero." 631 00:28:49,774 --> 00:28:52,277 That's what we're going to be. The extraterrestrial brothers. 632 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,862 You know what I'm saying? 633 00:28:53,945 --> 00:28:55,155 Extra terrest! 634 00:28:55,238 --> 00:28:56,156 Knowing we the best. 635 00:28:56,239 --> 00:28:57,324 Know what I'm sayin'? 636 00:28:57,407 --> 00:29:01,661 ( Train whistle blowing ) 637 00:29:01,745 --> 00:29:04,039 - It's a Dezzy Dez and a Kasey Kase - 638 00:29:04,122 --> 00:29:06,750 - And D-5, we're going to rock the place - 639 00:29:06,833 --> 00:29:08,376 - And if you're based in the place - 640 00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:11,129 - You will get disgraced, because we are the crew - 641 00:29:11,212 --> 00:29:12,839 - That we got the place - 642 00:29:12,923 --> 00:29:15,258 - Rock-sock-it, rock-it-in-a-pocket - 643 00:29:15,342 --> 00:29:17,886 - A sock-sock-it, rock-it-in-a-pocket - 644 00:29:17,969 --> 00:29:20,180 - I say, pushed that girl in front of the train - 645 00:29:20,263 --> 00:29:22,849 - Took her to the doctor, sewed her arm on again - 646 00:29:22,933 --> 00:29:25,435 - Stabbed that man right in his heart - 647 00:29:25,518 --> 00:29:27,938 - Gave him a transplant for a brand new start - 648 00:29:28,021 --> 00:29:29,439 - Can't cut through the park - 649 00:29:29,522 --> 00:29:30,732 # 'Cause it's crazy after dark # 650 00:29:30,815 --> 00:29:33,193 # Keep my hand on my gun, they got me on the run # 651 00:29:33,276 --> 00:29:35,362 # I feel like a outlaw broke my last glass jaw # 652 00:29:35,445 --> 00:29:36,863 # Hear them say, "You want some more?" 653 00:29:36,947 --> 00:29:38,907 Living on a seesaw # 654 00:29:48,166 --> 00:29:50,794 # Broken glass everywhere, people pissing on the stairs # 655 00:29:50,877 --> 00:29:53,004 # You know, they just don't care, I can't take the smell # 656 00:29:53,088 --> 00:29:55,715 # Can't take the noise, got no money to move out, 657 00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:57,008 I guess I got no choice # 658 00:29:57,092 --> 00:29:59,260 # Rats in the front room, roaches in the back # 659 00:29:59,344 --> 00:30:01,721 # Junkies in the alley with a baseball bat # 660 00:30:01,805 --> 00:30:04,057 # I tried to get away but I couldn't get far # 661 00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:06,476 # 'Cause a man with a tow-truck repossessed my car # 662 00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:11,272 # Don't push me 'cause I'm close to the edge # 663 00:30:11,356 --> 00:30:15,235 # I'm trying not to lose my head # 664 00:30:15,318 --> 00:30:17,404 - Ha-ha-ha! - 665 00:30:17,487 --> 00:30:19,906 Kase: Well, I know one thing about graffiti, man. 666 00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:22,909 Niggas say it played out, niggas say this, niggas say that. 667 00:30:22,993 --> 00:30:24,995 But, it's going to keep going on. 668 00:30:25,078 --> 00:30:27,247 'Cause I might be old and quit, but you coming up, 669 00:30:27,330 --> 00:30:30,834 younger niggas is coming up, it's going to keep going and 670 00:30:30,917 --> 00:30:31,960 keep going, you know? 671 00:30:32,043 --> 00:30:35,839 'Cause you going to be a king soon, too, you know? 672 00:30:35,922 --> 00:30:37,799 Dez: He's like a son to me, in a way, you know. 673 00:30:37,882 --> 00:30:40,427 I look out for him and he looks out for me. 674 00:30:40,510 --> 00:30:43,388 I won't let nothing happen to him, you know? 675 00:30:43,471 --> 00:30:47,517 He won't let nothing happen to me if he could help it. 676 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,102 I know for his age, 677 00:30:49,185 --> 00:30:53,106 he's 14 now, and I'm 16. 678 00:30:53,189 --> 00:30:54,441 About the time he get my age, 679 00:30:54,524 --> 00:30:58,403 he be one of the best people out. 680 00:30:58,486 --> 00:31:00,905 If he continues to go on in the years, 681 00:31:00,989 --> 00:31:02,907 he can be another Picasso. 682 00:31:02,991 --> 00:31:06,411 ( laughs ) 683 00:31:06,494 --> 00:31:11,458 # Get funky in the place # 684 00:31:11,958 --> 00:31:16,921 # Get funky in the place # 685 00:31:18,465 --> 00:31:20,800 # Life ain't no more a joke, it's a serious thing # 686 00:31:20,884 --> 00:31:23,470 # When you're dealing with the answers that you can't explain # 687 00:31:23,553 --> 00:31:26,139 # It's the funky beat and there's the funky beat # 688 00:31:26,222 --> 00:31:28,892 # And there's the funk, the funk and the funky beat # 689 00:31:28,975 --> 00:31:31,561 # E-yah # 690 00:31:31,644 --> 00:31:34,355 # Like a little jelly bean I'm a sweet like a candy cane # 691 00:31:34,439 --> 00:31:36,483 # I make you get down this is number one stain # 692 00:31:36,566 --> 00:31:39,444 # On the train just groovin' like a seesaw # 693 00:31:39,527 --> 00:31:41,154 # They're a-breakin' up, yeah, yeah... # 694 00:31:41,237 --> 00:31:43,573 Narrator: The idea of style and competing 695 00:31:43,656 --> 00:31:47,452 for the best style is the key to all forms of rocking. 696 00:31:47,535 --> 00:31:49,996 # He can own the freak a-like a little deak-deak # 697 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,956 # You're rockin' on # 698 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,250 With the rap M.C., it's rocking the mic 699 00:31:54,334 --> 00:31:58,171 for the B-boys, it's rocking your body in break dancing. 700 00:31:58,254 --> 00:32:02,967 Or for writers, rocking the city with your name on a train. 701 00:32:03,051 --> 00:32:07,347 # Get funky in the place # 702 00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:12,393 # Get funky in the place...# 703 00:32:14,395 --> 00:32:17,232 ( Boombox playing ) 704 00:32:17,315 --> 00:32:19,484 Lennie Len: Right now, he's doing the footwork 705 00:32:19,567 --> 00:32:22,529 when original breaking came out. 706 00:32:25,323 --> 00:32:26,866 There he's doing the baby and the turtle. 707 00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:27,992 - The back bridge. 708 00:32:28,076 --> 00:32:29,035 - Yeah. 709 00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:33,206 - He did the head spin and then just went up. 710 00:32:33,289 --> 00:32:36,292 - I got a certain backspin that I made up. 711 00:32:36,376 --> 00:32:37,418 Want me to show you it? 712 00:32:37,502 --> 00:32:40,171 I started off doing like this... 713 00:32:42,966 --> 00:32:44,425 and landing like that. 714 00:32:47,137 --> 00:32:50,014 So, then, I just... decided not to do the freeze 715 00:32:50,098 --> 00:32:51,933 and keep on spinning. 716 00:32:52,016 --> 00:32:53,893 So it goes like this. 717 00:32:53,977 --> 00:32:56,187 I put my arm right here and it's easy. 718 00:32:56,271 --> 00:32:58,064 And I push my arm and swing my left leg-- 719 00:32:58,148 --> 00:33:03,111 my right leg-- both of 'em around. 720 00:33:11,995 --> 00:33:13,454 - Other crews, they're not as good as us, 721 00:33:13,538 --> 00:33:16,541 'cause we have the breaking form. 722 00:33:16,624 --> 00:33:17,500 - Crazy Legs: Original style. 723 00:33:17,584 --> 00:33:18,501 - Yeah, original style. 724 00:33:18,585 --> 00:33:21,588 Other crews like "Dynamic Rockers," 725 00:33:21,671 --> 00:33:22,672 - they bite, usually-- 726 00:33:22,755 --> 00:33:24,132 - Yeah, they bite! 727 00:33:24,215 --> 00:33:28,178 - Let me tell you about these people, Dynamic Rockers. 728 00:33:28,678 --> 00:33:30,263 MC: One-two-one-two. 729 00:33:30,346 --> 00:33:31,306 One-two-one. 730 00:33:31,389 --> 00:33:32,432 Party people in the place! 731 00:33:32,515 --> 00:33:34,184 Rock Steady against Dynamic Rockers! 732 00:33:34,267 --> 00:33:39,230 Rock on till the break of dawn! 733 00:33:39,731 --> 00:33:41,441 Crazy Legs in the house! 734 00:33:41,524 --> 00:33:43,651 Crazy Legs: This goes back... when I used to go to the 735 00:33:43,735 --> 00:33:44,944 roller-skating rink, 736 00:33:45,028 --> 00:33:47,947 United Skates of America in Queens, right? 737 00:33:48,031 --> 00:33:49,949 I used to go over there to break against all of them 738 00:33:50,033 --> 00:33:51,075 and take them all out. 739 00:33:51,159 --> 00:33:54,704 You know, burn 'em, make 'em look stupid. 740 00:33:54,787 --> 00:33:57,707 And they had no kind of style at all. 741 00:33:57,790 --> 00:34:00,084 They was beginners. 742 00:34:00,168 --> 00:34:01,711 I been breaking way before them. 743 00:34:01,794 --> 00:34:06,549 Rammellzee: # A-rock-on the kid the Crazy Legs... # 744 00:34:06,633 --> 00:34:09,219 Frosty Freeze: We started doing better routines than they were. 745 00:34:09,302 --> 00:34:11,304 They got to a point where they got mad at us because 746 00:34:11,387 --> 00:34:13,389 we was taking them out with our moves. 747 00:34:13,473 --> 00:34:15,725 Then, that started getting out of hand, 748 00:34:15,808 --> 00:34:17,644 because they had the crowd and we didn't. 749 00:34:17,727 --> 00:34:20,605 MC: Yo! Whoever ain't in Rock Steady or Dynamic, 750 00:34:20,688 --> 00:34:22,732 get behind the barriers! 751 00:34:22,815 --> 00:34:25,693 Yo! Both rockin' crews, can you please listen? 752 00:34:25,777 --> 00:34:29,656 Nobody's listening to me. 753 00:34:29,739 --> 00:34:32,742 We're not going to start until you move. 754 00:34:32,825 --> 00:34:35,745 Rockers, get ready. 755 00:34:35,828 --> 00:34:40,792 ( Music playing ) 756 00:34:42,460 --> 00:34:44,671 Frosty Freeze: Up-rock is just like humiliating. 757 00:34:44,754 --> 00:34:49,717 Doing things in peoples' faces and all that. 758 00:34:56,557 --> 00:34:58,768 And down-rocking, as you know, is trying to see who 759 00:34:58,851 --> 00:35:01,688 can compete against whose moves on the floor. 760 00:35:01,771 --> 00:35:03,439 MC rapping: # I was lookin' out on the 33rd floor # 761 00:35:03,523 --> 00:35:05,400 # All of the sudden, there was a knock on my door # 762 00:35:05,483 --> 00:35:07,360 # It was "Son of Sam" with a .44 # 763 00:35:07,443 --> 00:35:09,445 # He blew a hole straight through my door # 764 00:35:09,529 --> 00:35:11,030 # So I went to the back to get the gun # 765 00:35:11,114 --> 00:35:13,157 # I was out two bullets, had only one # 766 00:35:13,241 --> 00:35:15,159 # I shoot the shit, I shot him in his eye # 767 00:35:15,243 --> 00:35:18,371 # Never saw a white man jump so high. # 768 00:35:18,454 --> 00:35:19,622 MC: So who won the rocking contest? 769 00:35:19,706 --> 00:35:21,207 ( Crowd chants ) 770 00:35:21,291 --> 00:35:22,208 Rock Steady! 771 00:35:22,292 --> 00:35:23,084 Rock Steady! 772 00:35:23,126 --> 00:35:24,377 Dynamic! Dynamic! 773 00:35:24,460 --> 00:35:25,586 - You all know who took them out right? 774 00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:27,672 Put it this way, we're out of sight and they bite. 775 00:35:27,755 --> 00:35:30,466 - They bit my turtle into a hop-- 776 00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:34,721 Oh, man. I could've cried when I seen that. 777 00:35:34,804 --> 00:35:36,723 - You know, that faggot that was flying around there 778 00:35:36,806 --> 00:35:38,766 with his funny legs and shit? 779 00:35:38,850 --> 00:35:41,561 - He's in gymnastics. 780 00:35:41,644 --> 00:35:43,062 - So what? So what? 781 00:35:43,146 --> 00:35:43,813 That's not even breaking. 782 00:35:43,855 --> 00:35:44,814 That's all fairy flying. 783 00:35:44,897 --> 00:35:47,108 I call that fairy flying. 784 00:35:47,191 --> 00:35:48,234 MC: Who goes for Rock Steady? 785 00:35:48,318 --> 00:35:50,820 ( Crowd cheering ) 786 00:35:50,903 --> 00:35:52,196 Dynamic Rockers? 787 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,324 ( Heightened cheering ) 788 00:35:54,407 --> 00:35:55,116 Hold it. 789 00:35:55,158 --> 00:35:56,075 Hold it down. 790 00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:56,826 It was a tie. 791 00:35:56,868 --> 00:35:58,828 It was a tie. 792 00:36:03,333 --> 00:36:06,336 # Ahh...yes...well # 793 00:36:06,419 --> 00:36:08,504 # Are we back for more? # 794 00:36:08,588 --> 00:36:10,131 # They're here # 795 00:36:10,214 --> 00:36:11,841 - # D-L-B # - 796 00:36:11,924 --> 00:36:13,092 # Ha-ha-ha-ha # 797 00:36:13,176 --> 00:36:14,093 - - Tito! - - 798 00:36:14,177 --> 00:36:15,094 # Ha-ha-ha-ha # 799 00:36:15,178 --> 00:36:16,095 - # Mike Cee # - 800 00:36:16,179 --> 00:36:17,096 # Hey girl! 801 00:36:17,180 --> 00:36:18,139 Hey girl! # 802 00:36:18,222 --> 00:36:19,307 - # Peso! # - 803 00:36:19,390 --> 00:36:20,308 # D-L-B # 804 00:36:20,391 --> 00:36:22,560 # Rockin' it, rockin' it yes, he is rockin' it # 805 00:36:22,643 --> 00:36:24,854 # Tito is rockin' it yes, he is rockin' it # 806 00:36:24,937 --> 00:36:27,440 # Mike Cee, yes, he is rockin' it # 807 00:36:27,523 --> 00:36:29,859 # Peso, rockin' it yes, he is rockin' it # 808 00:36:29,942 --> 00:36:32,445 # We're all rockin' it, you should be rockin' it # 809 00:36:32,528 --> 00:36:36,157 # Rockin' it, rockin' it.# 810 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:37,617 Woman: How do you fill up a train like that? 811 00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:39,369 You can't do it overnight. 812 00:36:39,452 --> 00:36:41,871 Do you wait for the same train coming back 813 00:36:41,954 --> 00:36:43,623 into the same station? 814 00:36:43,706 --> 00:36:45,792 - No, you get the parked train, and you just--- 815 00:36:45,875 --> 00:36:48,127 - Oh, you mean you go to the subway yard. 816 00:36:48,211 --> 00:36:49,504 - Yeah. 817 00:36:49,587 --> 00:36:51,130 - Does your mother wonder why you come home 818 00:36:51,214 --> 00:36:52,548 with that all over your face? 819 00:36:52,632 --> 00:36:54,467 - No, she knows I write the graffiti. 820 00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:56,803 I told her, I say I'm going up on the trains. 821 00:36:56,886 --> 00:36:58,388 I'm gonna go write some graffiti. 822 00:36:58,471 --> 00:36:59,472 - Does she worry you might get caught? 823 00:36:59,555 --> 00:37:00,556 - Yeah. 824 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,309 She says "If the cops call, don't come running to me." 825 00:37:03,393 --> 00:37:05,478 - Um... 826 00:37:05,561 --> 00:37:08,815 I never realized it meant so much to them. 827 00:37:08,898 --> 00:37:10,817 I just thought they were writing... 828 00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:12,360 just writing anything. 829 00:37:12,443 --> 00:37:15,321 But I guess it has a deep meaning. 830 00:37:15,405 --> 00:37:16,280 - Huh? 831 00:37:16,364 --> 00:37:17,698 - What kind of deep meaning? 832 00:37:17,782 --> 00:37:19,325 - Well, like he said... 833 00:37:19,409 --> 00:37:23,371 he's writing his girlfriends' name. 834 00:37:23,454 --> 00:37:25,832 He's Dust, whatever that means. 835 00:37:25,915 --> 00:37:27,166 What is Dust supposed to mean? 836 00:37:27,250 --> 00:37:28,543 It's just a name. 837 00:37:28,626 --> 00:37:30,253 It's a word, you know. 838 00:37:30,336 --> 00:37:31,462 See, it's a game. 839 00:37:31,546 --> 00:37:33,798 It's like, They give you a name, and they say, 840 00:37:33,881 --> 00:37:35,842 "Here, take this name and do something with it." 841 00:37:35,925 --> 00:37:37,343 Like, he got the name Seen. 842 00:37:37,427 --> 00:37:38,845 He can walk around, just say, "My name is Seen," 843 00:37:38,928 --> 00:37:41,514 and say, "Yeah, I seen that there. I seen it there." 844 00:37:41,597 --> 00:37:43,433 It's a name. It's just like... 845 00:37:43,516 --> 00:37:44,600 I'll give you a name and you say, 846 00:37:44,684 --> 00:37:46,310 "How big could you get this name up? 847 00:37:46,394 --> 00:37:47,603 How high?" 848 00:37:47,687 --> 00:37:50,648 ( train noise ) 849 00:37:54,527 --> 00:37:56,696 Trains are routinely washed, 850 00:37:56,779 --> 00:37:58,656 but because of the graffiti problem, 851 00:37:58,739 --> 00:38:01,784 we have to use a graffiti removal solution, 852 00:38:01,868 --> 00:38:05,538 which, at best, is detrimental to the physical make-up 853 00:38:05,621 --> 00:38:07,707 of the train itself. 854 00:38:07,790 --> 00:38:10,543 This is what I'm assigned. 855 00:38:10,626 --> 00:38:11,794 The car wash. 856 00:38:11,878 --> 00:38:13,629 8:00 a.m., Jamaica Yard. 857 00:38:13,713 --> 00:38:15,673 Hold your nose. 858 00:38:15,756 --> 00:38:18,384 Detective Jacobs: We spend a lot of money replacing broken 859 00:38:18,468 --> 00:38:19,886 and damaged side windows. 860 00:38:19,969 --> 00:38:23,890 We cannot use... acrylic plastic windows 861 00:38:23,973 --> 00:38:27,977 in the train, because the same graffiti removal solution 862 00:38:28,060 --> 00:38:31,355 fogs the windows. 863 00:38:31,439 --> 00:38:33,232 Richard Ravitch: The problem often is, that often it 864 00:38:33,316 --> 00:38:37,320 doesn't produce a sparkling clean car, but rather, 865 00:38:37,403 --> 00:38:39,906 a sort of vomitous color, 866 00:38:39,989 --> 00:38:43,409 which some of the graffiti artists argue is less 867 00:38:43,493 --> 00:38:46,787 attractive than what they consider to be their artwork. 868 00:38:46,871 --> 00:38:50,249 So, it's altogether sort of an unsatisfactory result. 869 00:38:50,333 --> 00:38:51,250 Motorman: Watch out. 870 00:38:51,334 --> 00:38:52,251 You might get wet now. 871 00:38:52,335 --> 00:38:54,337 Watch your shoes. 872 00:38:54,420 --> 00:38:57,840 It's not the best smelling stuff, but so far, 873 00:38:57,924 --> 00:38:59,467 it hasn't hurt me. 874 00:38:59,550 --> 00:39:01,802 You know, it hasn't bothered me. 875 00:39:01,886 --> 00:39:05,765 Some fellows, it bothers. 876 00:39:05,848 --> 00:39:07,642 ( Motorman coughs ) That's 877 00:39:07,725 --> 00:39:12,313 my money that's being diverted from providing me with good, 878 00:39:12,396 --> 00:39:15,566 safe, secure, rapid transit. 879 00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:16,776 Look at this junk. 880 00:39:16,859 --> 00:39:18,402 Graffiti doesn't make your life better; 881 00:39:18,486 --> 00:39:20,530 it just makes your neighborhood look worse. 882 00:39:20,613 --> 00:39:22,448 You know how I made something out of my life? 883 00:39:22,532 --> 00:39:23,699 - By using my hands. 884 00:39:23,783 --> 00:39:25,368 - But only in the ring. 885 00:39:25,451 --> 00:39:30,289 Don't use them to mess up the walls with graffiti. 886 00:39:30,373 --> 00:39:32,291 - I've practiced all my life to make moves like that. 887 00:39:32,375 --> 00:39:33,876 - And I worked every day to be a singer. 888 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,711 So, if you really want to make something out of your life, 889 00:39:35,795 --> 00:39:36,837 - Use your head. 890 00:39:36,921 --> 00:39:37,964 - Or your voice. 891 00:39:38,047 --> 00:39:40,633 But don't waste your time making a mess. 892 00:39:40,716 --> 00:39:44,804 Harold Levine: Make your mark in society, not on society. 893 00:39:44,887 --> 00:39:48,641 This happens to be a poster that is... 894 00:39:48,724 --> 00:39:50,434 the first in a series. 895 00:39:50,518 --> 00:39:53,771 It's going to be used in New York City's subways and buses, 896 00:39:53,854 --> 00:39:57,441 where we've used Hector Camacho who's a boxer, 897 00:39:57,525 --> 00:39:59,360 North American lightweight champ, 898 00:39:59,443 --> 00:40:02,405 and Alex Ramos, boxer, leading middleweight contender. 899 00:40:02,488 --> 00:40:05,783 "Take it from the champs, graffiti is for chumps. 900 00:40:05,866 --> 00:40:10,830 Make your mark in society, not on society." 901 00:40:10,913 --> 00:40:12,748 - It's really very clever. 902 00:40:12,832 --> 00:40:14,834 "Put your mark on society, 903 00:40:14,917 --> 00:40:18,004 in doing something in society." 904 00:40:18,087 --> 00:40:19,672 I've screwed it up a little bit, 905 00:40:19,755 --> 00:40:21,549 but, nevertheless, you got the message. 906 00:40:21,632 --> 00:40:23,593 Reporter: Realistically, do you think it will work? 907 00:40:23,676 --> 00:40:26,762 - You say realistically, I'm hopeful that it will work. 908 00:40:26,846 --> 00:40:30,057 Nobody thought that we would be as successful as we were 909 00:40:30,141 --> 00:40:33,936 in the campaign against the drought and water conservation; 910 00:40:34,020 --> 00:40:35,605 nevertheless, that worked. 911 00:40:35,688 --> 00:40:37,898 I'm hopeful we will have equal success here. 912 00:40:37,982 --> 00:40:39,859 Time will tell. 913 00:40:39,942 --> 00:40:42,612 Mr. Mayor, are those posters graffiti-proof? 914 00:40:42,695 --> 00:40:44,739 Time will tell. 915 00:40:44,822 --> 00:40:48,367 ( laughter ) 916 00:40:48,451 --> 00:40:49,368 What you doing, B? 917 00:40:49,452 --> 00:40:50,369 Fresh? 918 00:40:50,453 --> 00:40:51,370 - It's fresh. 919 00:40:51,454 --> 00:40:52,788 - One of my little signature series. 920 00:40:52,872 --> 00:40:54,081 - Word. 921 00:40:54,165 --> 00:40:57,084 Lord, you getting fresh on a nigga, man. 922 00:40:57,168 --> 00:40:59,837 That nigga's still got the touch, boy. 923 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:03,466 Butchy-butch, with the tiger skills 924 00:41:03,549 --> 00:41:05,635 - I see you did the "Kase" with a "C" this time. 925 00:41:05,718 --> 00:41:07,887 - Yeah, he know who I am, though, anyway. 926 00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:09,513 The king of what? 927 00:41:09,597 --> 00:41:11,724 The king of style. 928 00:41:11,807 --> 00:41:14,393 Sure, I got styles already that's more complex 929 00:41:14,477 --> 00:41:16,646 that nobody know about. 930 00:41:16,729 --> 00:41:19,523 I mean, super-duty tough work. 931 00:41:19,607 --> 00:41:22,068 See, this is just semi-like, what I would call it. 932 00:41:22,151 --> 00:41:25,071 But, if I really get into it and start camouflaging it, 933 00:41:25,154 --> 00:41:30,034 I don't think you even be able to read it. 934 00:41:30,117 --> 00:41:32,828 - Don't go nowhere... - 935 00:41:32,912 --> 00:41:37,166 Throw a little semi thing here. 936 00:41:37,249 --> 00:41:39,669 It wasn't no severely bad accident, 937 00:41:39,752 --> 00:41:42,046 just that I got burnt by wires, that's all. 938 00:41:42,129 --> 00:41:43,881 A long time ago. 939 00:41:43,964 --> 00:41:44,965 Electrical wires. 940 00:41:45,049 --> 00:41:46,759 And then they rushed me to the hospital and 941 00:41:46,842 --> 00:41:48,719 they just had to amputate, 942 00:41:48,803 --> 00:41:52,807 'cause my tissues and muscles was burnt bad. 943 00:41:52,890 --> 00:41:55,434 And I was young, I was playing and I wasn't, 944 00:41:55,518 --> 00:41:56,602 you know, too sure-- 945 00:41:56,686 --> 00:41:59,105 I knew what I was doing, but I just didn't know 946 00:41:59,188 --> 00:42:01,524 should I grab the wire or not, 947 00:42:01,607 --> 00:42:02,942 I don't know if I grabbed it or not, 948 00:42:03,025 --> 00:42:05,444 but I know I just, you know, got hurt. 949 00:42:05,528 --> 00:42:07,822 'Cause it had knocked me out, so I didn't remember. 950 00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:12,910 But that don't mean nothing in general. 951 00:42:12,993 --> 00:42:15,955 I mean I'm okay. 952 00:42:16,038 --> 00:42:20,000 It's just, that was a bad thing to happen at the time. 953 00:42:21,752 --> 00:42:24,046 But that's why people are amazed about me now, 954 00:42:24,130 --> 00:42:26,006 'cause of going through that, and then dealing with 955 00:42:26,090 --> 00:42:27,049 what I'm dealing with, 956 00:42:27,133 --> 00:42:29,093 even though it's common little bull-crap in a way. 957 00:42:29,176 --> 00:42:32,138 People look at a person, "What, you write on trains? 958 00:42:32,221 --> 00:42:34,140 Oh, you vandalism," and all that. 959 00:42:34,223 --> 00:42:35,474 Yeah, I vandalism. 960 00:42:35,558 --> 00:42:36,517 All right. 961 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,561 But still, in general, I know what I'm doing. 962 00:42:38,644 --> 00:42:41,188 I did something to make your eyes open up, right? 963 00:42:41,272 --> 00:42:42,982 So why are you talking about it for? 964 00:42:43,065 --> 00:42:48,028 ( slow Latin funk music playing ) 965 00:43:11,135 --> 00:43:16,056 Cap: From here up... nobody goes but me. 966 00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:20,811 It's my lay-ups. Definitely. 967 00:43:20,895 --> 00:43:23,105 'Cause this is a beautiful spot to do pieces on. 968 00:43:23,189 --> 00:43:27,860 Ain't hardly no writers know about this place. 969 00:43:27,943 --> 00:43:29,195 My spot. 970 00:43:29,278 --> 00:43:30,237 Niggas know. 971 00:43:30,321 --> 00:43:31,238 Believe it. 972 00:43:31,322 --> 00:43:32,698 Niggas know. 973 00:43:32,782 --> 00:43:35,034 Heh-heh-heh. 974 00:43:35,117 --> 00:43:36,243 Yo. Here. 975 00:43:36,327 --> 00:43:42,875 Take the cans. 976 00:43:42,958 --> 00:43:45,211 I am not a graffiti artist. 977 00:43:45,294 --> 00:43:46,796 I'm a graffiti bomber. 978 00:43:46,879 --> 00:43:48,881 There's two styles of graffiti that are trying to, 979 00:43:48,964 --> 00:43:51,175 you know, co-exist with each other. 980 00:43:51,258 --> 00:43:54,804 But it ain't gonna work like that. 981 00:43:54,887 --> 00:43:56,722 Blood wars, buddy. 982 00:43:56,806 --> 00:43:58,265 Blood wars. 983 00:43:58,349 --> 00:43:59,934 Min: That's why graffiti's ruined. 984 00:44:00,017 --> 00:44:01,685 That Cap ruined the 2s and 5s. 985 00:44:01,769 --> 00:44:03,604 The 2s and 5s used to go to the 2 yard. 986 00:44:03,687 --> 00:44:06,774 It would be a masterpiece art gallery of burners 987 00:44:06,857 --> 00:44:09,109 from all these dudes from the Bronx and Brooklyn 988 00:44:09,193 --> 00:44:10,861 with def wild styles. 989 00:44:10,945 --> 00:44:13,239 Now you go to the 2 yard, it's all destroyed. 990 00:44:13,322 --> 00:44:15,866 This guy named Cap with his Lucille Ball hairdo 991 00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:17,910 is going over all your burners. 992 00:44:17,993 --> 00:44:21,956 - Hey, what's up, Shy? 993 00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:29,713 - I've seen your new pieces on the 2s and 5s. 994 00:44:29,797 --> 00:44:31,590 They went over that. 995 00:44:31,674 --> 00:44:32,591 - That Shy-Min. 996 00:44:32,675 --> 00:44:33,634 - Yeah, I know. 997 00:44:33,717 --> 00:44:34,635 - Cap. 998 00:44:34,718 --> 00:44:35,970 - Cap. 999 00:44:36,053 --> 00:44:37,221 I wouldn't have minded if he would've went 1000 00:44:37,304 --> 00:44:39,598 over one of my old cars, but that was fresh. 1001 00:44:39,682 --> 00:44:41,016 It was a brand new burner. 1002 00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:43,102 It only ran for two days, you know? 1003 00:44:43,185 --> 00:44:45,187 He didn't give it a chance to run on the line. 1004 00:44:45,271 --> 00:44:47,356 Just like... pow! 1005 00:44:47,439 --> 00:44:49,233 They went over it, and now I feel... 1006 00:44:49,316 --> 00:44:51,277 that hurt me, you know? 1007 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,155 And Seen was with him, and PJ, and then I called Seen up 1008 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:56,866 and he denied it. 1009 00:44:56,949 --> 00:44:58,284 - I can't afford to get involved. 1010 00:44:58,367 --> 00:45:01,620 There's a war going on, as you should know... 1011 00:45:01,704 --> 00:45:05,791 PJ and Cap-- against everybody. 1012 00:45:05,875 --> 00:45:09,253 He just crossed me out anyway, so I don't know why. 1013 00:45:09,336 --> 00:45:11,630 Brand new car, too, he wasted. 1014 00:45:11,714 --> 00:45:14,967 Let's say this, I stand behind them, 1015 00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:18,053 if they had a good cause for the situation. 1016 00:45:18,137 --> 00:45:21,015 As far as it is now... 1017 00:45:21,098 --> 00:45:22,641 they have no cause behind it. 1018 00:45:22,725 --> 00:45:24,351 They're just doing it for the hell of it... 1019 00:45:24,435 --> 00:45:26,312 which that ain't me, because I wouldn't want 1020 00:45:26,395 --> 00:45:29,148 people to go over my pieces, so I wouldn't go over them. 1021 00:45:29,231 --> 00:45:31,108 Shy: He's disrespecting the line, which no other 1022 00:45:31,191 --> 00:45:32,943 guy was doing that years ago. 1023 00:45:33,027 --> 00:45:34,111 All he does is silver throw-ups. 1024 00:45:34,194 --> 00:45:36,155 You got fresh colored pieces, full top-to-bottoms. 1025 00:45:36,238 --> 00:45:37,323 And you can't get him back. 1026 00:45:37,406 --> 00:45:39,158 And he'll just laugh at you. 1027 00:45:39,241 --> 00:45:40,159 "It's just a throw-up. 1028 00:45:40,242 --> 00:45:41,160 I've got a million of 'em running." 1029 00:45:41,243 --> 00:45:44,163 He's a jealous toy, that's all, 'cause he can't do a burner. 1030 00:45:44,246 --> 00:45:45,873 - He can't do shit. 1031 00:45:45,956 --> 00:45:47,666 - He can't even do a straight letter. 1032 00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:48,876 - He went over this? 1033 00:45:49,001 --> 00:45:50,002 - Yeah. 1034 00:45:50,085 --> 00:45:51,670 He did a Cap throw up over me and a MPC over this, 1035 00:45:51,754 --> 00:45:53,881 and wrote war next to Fat Albert. 1036 00:45:53,964 --> 00:45:55,174 - Oh, shit. 1037 00:45:55,257 --> 00:45:57,801 - You can't never make up for that. 1038 00:45:57,885 --> 00:45:59,970 That's never forgive action. 1039 00:46:00,054 --> 00:46:01,347 - If you're a toy, you got to be stopped. 1040 00:46:01,430 --> 00:46:05,225 This guy's a toy and he's big and he's still got to be stopped. 1041 00:46:05,309 --> 00:46:07,019 Gotta break his arms. 1042 00:46:07,102 --> 00:46:08,687 - But how come we waited all this long? 1043 00:46:08,771 --> 00:46:11,023 How come there's so many writers that he went over their 1044 00:46:11,106 --> 00:46:13,275 burners and we're not in his neighborhood with crews? 1045 00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:15,027 - Because nobody wants to get united. 1046 00:46:15,110 --> 00:46:17,279 - We got to get together, bro'. 1047 00:46:17,363 --> 00:46:20,032 - Everybody that says, "We're gonna get down," right? 1048 00:46:20,115 --> 00:46:22,701 But nobody comes, man. 1049 00:46:22,785 --> 00:46:24,370 What we got to do is meet everybody 1050 00:46:24,453 --> 00:46:26,789 at 149th Street at the Bench. 1051 00:46:26,872 --> 00:46:28,123 At the Grand Concourse. 1052 00:46:28,207 --> 00:46:30,125 - We should forget our bullshit worries that 1053 00:46:30,209 --> 00:46:31,126 we got with each other, 1054 00:46:31,210 --> 00:46:33,796 unite and get this toy, 'cause he's dogging everybody... 1055 00:46:33,879 --> 00:46:37,299 ( echoes )...everybody. 1056 00:46:37,383 --> 00:46:39,093 - Cap, I don't know, some big white boy. 1057 00:46:39,176 --> 00:46:42,721 I don't know him, I don't want to know him. 1058 00:46:42,805 --> 00:46:45,099 Yeah, that's why he's doing. 1059 00:46:45,182 --> 00:46:47,059 He's trying to get attention and revenge, 1060 00:46:47,142 --> 00:46:49,269 'cause people go over his throw-ups. 1061 00:46:49,353 --> 00:46:50,437 People who do burners-- 1062 00:46:50,521 --> 00:46:51,939 you see a throw-up, you're going to go over it. 1063 00:46:52,022 --> 00:46:54,316 Who thinks Cap's throw-ups are worth being on a train? 1064 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,070 ( Together ) Nobody! 1065 00:46:58,153 --> 00:46:59,071 - Pistol: What you write, bro'? 1066 00:46:59,154 --> 00:47:00,364 - I write Mare, man. 1067 00:47:00,447 --> 00:47:03,450 Pistol: Mear, M-E-A-R? 1068 00:47:03,534 --> 00:47:05,202 M-A-R-E. 1069 00:47:05,285 --> 00:47:06,745 - M-A-R-E, Mar? 1070 00:47:06,829 --> 00:47:08,247 - Yeah. 1071 00:47:08,330 --> 00:47:11,375 Mare. 1072 00:47:11,458 --> 00:47:12,501 Mar is M-A-R. 1073 00:47:12,584 --> 00:47:16,338 But no, seriously, you got to kill them dudes for doing that. 1074 00:47:16,422 --> 00:47:17,423 - Who's Cap? 1075 00:47:17,506 --> 00:47:18,841 Cap is right here? 1076 00:47:18,924 --> 00:47:22,886 ( Together ) No! 1077 00:47:34,023 --> 00:47:36,400 Cap: People don't know what I look like until now. 1078 00:47:36,483 --> 00:47:38,277 Till they start going to the movies. 1079 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,528 They're going to see my face. 1080 00:47:39,611 --> 00:47:42,948 Big deal. 1081 00:47:43,032 --> 00:47:45,784 Anybody tries to screw around with me and my friends, 1082 00:47:45,868 --> 00:47:47,828 I go over everything they got forever. 1083 00:47:47,911 --> 00:47:49,913 Everybody, from Brooklyn to Manhattan. 1084 00:47:49,997 --> 00:47:54,960 Everybody. 1085 00:47:55,210 --> 00:47:57,963 And that's the way it is. 1086 00:47:58,047 --> 00:47:59,339 Especially with me. 1087 00:47:59,423 --> 00:48:02,885 The object is more. 1088 00:48:02,968 --> 00:48:06,847 Not the biggest and the beautiful lest, but more. 1089 00:48:06,930 --> 00:48:09,349 It's like a little piece on every car... 1090 00:48:09,433 --> 00:48:10,976 is what counts. 1091 00:48:11,060 --> 00:48:16,023 Not one whole car on every 30 cars that goes by. 1092 00:48:19,068 --> 00:48:21,361 Once you start going over someone, you can't stop. 1093 00:48:21,445 --> 00:48:24,531 So, I'm gonna live. 1094 00:48:24,615 --> 00:48:26,450 Dust started pulling some shit with me. 1095 00:48:26,533 --> 00:48:28,160 I'm telling you, he's lucky we didn't 1096 00:48:28,243 --> 00:48:29,828 catch him by that wall. 1097 00:48:29,912 --> 00:48:32,498 If we would've been there, even if you was shooting the movie, 1098 00:48:32,581 --> 00:48:34,458 it would've just been boom-boom-boom! 1099 00:48:34,541 --> 00:48:38,253 And that's the way it would've went. 1100 00:48:38,337 --> 00:48:40,839 - It's gonna get crossed off, I guarantee, by tomorrow, 1101 00:48:40,923 --> 00:48:42,382 once they find out it's here. 1102 00:48:42,466 --> 00:48:43,884 Help me with the 3-D, Nicky. 1103 00:48:43,967 --> 00:48:46,428 Come on. 1104 00:48:46,512 --> 00:48:49,056 The piece has got a lot of colors to go in there yet. 1105 00:48:49,139 --> 00:48:52,184 But with the color, we could do that with no problem. 1106 00:48:52,267 --> 00:48:53,268 I could do it before it gets dark. 1107 00:48:53,352 --> 00:48:54,436 No problem. 1108 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:59,483 Colors, colors, colors! 1109 00:49:04,321 --> 00:49:07,866 Cap: That was a beautiful wall. 1110 00:49:07,950 --> 00:49:11,954 I really liked that. 1111 00:49:12,037 --> 00:49:14,123 People like that, they deserve getting 1112 00:49:14,206 --> 00:49:16,166 everything they got crossed out... 1113 00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:21,213 forever. 1114 00:49:27,970 --> 00:49:29,179 - For the past 20 years, 1115 00:49:29,263 --> 00:49:30,597 there really hasn't been anything hot. 1116 00:49:30,681 --> 00:49:32,891 There have been no movements since Pop Art. 1117 00:49:32,975 --> 00:49:36,562 Any retailer, and let's face it, a gallery is indeed a retailer, 1118 00:49:36,645 --> 00:49:38,188 they're always looking for something hot 1119 00:49:38,272 --> 00:49:41,233 that they can merchandise and sell to the public. 1120 00:49:41,316 --> 00:49:45,445 - It's almost as though these pieces were peeled off 1121 00:49:45,529 --> 00:49:47,906 the train and put onto canvas, 1122 00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:50,909 so you have the same energy, you have the same coloring, 1123 00:49:50,993 --> 00:49:53,662 you have the same intensity and the same big piece 1124 00:49:53,745 --> 00:49:56,081 that you would see on a train. 1125 00:49:56,165 --> 00:49:59,918 The real subway graffiti that's done on the trains 1126 00:50:00,002 --> 00:50:03,589 is slowly dying out, and this is taking its place. 1127 00:50:03,672 --> 00:50:05,966 The lifespan of an average piece today 1128 00:50:06,049 --> 00:50:07,593 only lasts a few months. 1129 00:50:07,676 --> 00:50:11,555 This is something that could last a lifetime. 1130 00:50:11,638 --> 00:50:14,558 Woman: "Blondie" seems to be an important figure within 1131 00:50:14,641 --> 00:50:17,936 the graffiti art style. 1132 00:50:18,020 --> 00:50:21,565 Cain has used her in a very photographic way. 1133 00:50:21,648 --> 00:50:26,612 Noc, shows her... expressionistically. 1134 00:50:29,072 --> 00:50:29,990 I'm a colorist myself. 1135 00:50:30,073 --> 00:50:31,074 I'm an artist. 1136 00:50:31,158 --> 00:50:34,119 And it's exciting. 1137 00:50:34,203 --> 00:50:37,331 The color is exciting, the movement is exciting. 1138 00:50:37,414 --> 00:50:40,542 It combines all kinds of movement. 1139 00:50:40,626 --> 00:50:42,461 Man: We had ABC-TV. 1140 00:50:42,544 --> 00:50:44,296 We had CBS here tonight. 1141 00:50:44,379 --> 00:50:46,673 We're going to be on the news tonight at eleven o'clock. 1142 00:50:46,757 --> 00:50:49,176 National Public Radio. 1143 00:50:49,259 --> 00:50:51,303 - Do it up, baby. 1144 00:50:51,386 --> 00:50:52,387 I love it. 1145 00:50:52,471 --> 00:50:53,972 - I'm Ron Powers. 1146 00:50:54,056 --> 00:50:55,724 I'm a reporter with the Associated Press. 1147 00:50:55,807 --> 00:50:57,309 - How long would it take you to do something like this? 1148 00:50:57,392 --> 00:50:58,477 - On a train? 1149 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,312 Depends on what your schedule is. 1150 00:51:00,395 --> 00:51:03,315 I can't let my mother know that I'm going to the trains, 1151 00:51:03,398 --> 00:51:05,567 so I have to be back early. 1152 00:51:05,651 --> 00:51:08,111 Woman: But I did meet a guy here who's an art critic from the 1153 00:51:08,195 --> 00:51:10,280 news, and he says he gets so goddamn mad 1154 00:51:10,364 --> 00:51:12,991 every time he sees this, that he walked up 1155 00:51:13,075 --> 00:51:14,743 to one of the artist at the show tonight and said, 1156 00:51:14,826 --> 00:51:17,287 "How would you feel if I took a can and 1157 00:51:17,371 --> 00:51:19,248 wrote on your graffiti?" 1158 00:51:19,331 --> 00:51:23,293 And the artist said to him, "I kill you, man." 1159 00:51:23,377 --> 00:51:27,422 As an investment, I feel so strongly that if you 1160 00:51:27,506 --> 00:51:29,174 get in on the bottom of anything, 1161 00:51:29,258 --> 00:51:30,509 it's got to be a good investment. 1162 00:51:30,592 --> 00:51:32,719 This is definitely going some place. 1163 00:51:32,803 --> 00:51:36,556 But I think that graffiti on the subway cars 1164 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:41,311 were a symbol of New York for foreign people, 1165 00:51:41,395 --> 00:51:43,355 especially French people. 1166 00:51:43,438 --> 00:51:48,402 And I think it's a little sad if graffiti is going 1167 00:51:48,568 --> 00:51:51,530 to be only on canvas, and not anymore on trains. 1168 00:51:51,613 --> 00:51:53,198 Forget about the trains. 1169 00:51:53,282 --> 00:51:54,658 Who wants to be dirty and hot at the same time? 1170 00:51:54,741 --> 00:51:55,784 That's right. 1171 00:51:55,867 --> 00:51:57,035 I'm into making money. 1172 00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:58,287 It feels good. 1173 00:51:58,370 --> 00:51:59,705 You go to school and the teacher says, 1174 00:51:59,788 --> 00:52:01,498 "It's not worth anything. 1175 00:52:01,581 --> 00:52:03,208 You don't make any money from graffiti." 1176 00:52:03,292 --> 00:52:05,127 And you tell them, "When was the last time 1177 00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:08,463 you made $2,000 in a month, huh?" 1178 00:52:08,547 --> 00:52:12,050 And you go, "Okay, now you failed." 1179 00:52:12,134 --> 00:52:13,802 - All right, the thought has crossed my mind, yeah 1180 00:52:13,885 --> 00:52:16,138 if something should happen, I'll go along with it, 1181 00:52:16,221 --> 00:52:18,724 but if it doesn't, it's no thing to me, 1182 00:52:18,807 --> 00:52:20,309 because that's not what I'm out here for. 1183 00:52:20,392 --> 00:52:21,560 I'm out here to bomb, period. 1184 00:52:21,643 --> 00:52:23,061 That's what I started for. 1185 00:52:23,145 --> 00:52:24,396 I didn't start writing to go Paris. 1186 00:52:24,479 --> 00:52:25,772 I didn't start writing to do canvases. 1187 00:52:25,856 --> 00:52:27,441 I started writing to bomb. 1188 00:52:27,524 --> 00:52:29,151 To destroy all lines. 1189 00:52:29,234 --> 00:52:30,444 - That's what I'm doing. 1190 00:52:30,527 --> 00:52:31,611 - How long do you think you'll do it? 1191 00:52:31,695 --> 00:52:34,656 Till I'm finished. 1192 00:52:36,825 --> 00:52:38,744 - Now that you've heard that, you understand what I'm saying 1193 00:52:38,827 --> 00:52:41,163 to you when I say I don't understand him. 1194 00:52:41,246 --> 00:52:43,332 He's out there to bomb, destroy all lines. 1195 00:52:43,415 --> 00:52:47,377 What have the lines ever done to him? 1196 00:52:47,461 --> 00:52:48,670 - They made me pay 75 cents. 1197 00:52:48,754 --> 00:52:50,422 - When do you pay 75 cents? 1198 00:52:50,505 --> 00:52:51,715 - Never but-- 1199 00:52:51,798 --> 00:52:53,425 - I don't even know what you're talking about. 1200 00:52:53,508 --> 00:52:58,472 ( Cheering, music playing ) 1201 00:53:02,267 --> 00:53:03,769 We're on the Staten Island Ferry. 1202 00:53:03,852 --> 00:53:05,520 This is the New York Harbor. 1203 00:53:05,604 --> 00:53:07,564 This is to signify we're leaving New York 1204 00:53:07,647 --> 00:53:11,234 with this package of artists to go out and play at places 1205 00:53:11,318 --> 00:53:14,112 where, individually, they never would play. 1206 00:53:14,196 --> 00:53:16,615 It will be in Washington DC, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Madison, 1207 00:53:16,698 --> 00:53:20,452 Minneapolis, Iowa City, Detroit and Toronto. 1208 00:53:20,535 --> 00:53:22,120 - Being professional, what does that mean? 1209 00:53:22,204 --> 00:53:23,288 - Getting paid for what you do. 1210 00:53:23,372 --> 00:53:24,664 Professional. 1211 00:53:24,748 --> 00:53:26,249 Frosty Freeze: Having your own style. 1212 00:53:26,333 --> 00:53:28,418 Skippy Dee: Doing your own moves. 1213 00:53:28,502 --> 00:53:30,128 Don't let nobody else bite your moves. 1214 00:53:30,212 --> 00:53:32,214 Doing it for a long time. 1215 00:53:32,297 --> 00:53:34,216 Being the best. 1216 00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:38,428 - # Special-K # - 1217 00:53:38,512 --> 00:53:40,138 # Sunshine # 1218 00:53:40,222 --> 00:53:41,223 # Kool Mo-Dee # 1219 00:53:41,306 --> 00:53:42,599 # All time feel the heartbeat # 1220 00:53:42,682 --> 00:53:44,643 # Feel the heartbeat we're the treacherous three # 1221 00:53:44,726 --> 00:53:49,689 # We got a new heartbeat # 1222 00:53:55,570 --> 00:53:57,823 # Get loose, get loose Mo-Dee get loose # 1223 00:53:57,906 --> 00:53:59,157 # Just one heartbeat show 'em you got juice # 1224 00:53:59,241 --> 00:54:00,325 - # Have fun # - 1225 00:54:00,409 --> 00:54:01,368 # Have fun # 1226 00:54:01,451 --> 00:54:02,369 - # Have fun # - 1227 00:54:02,452 --> 00:54:05,247 # Ha-ha-have fun # 1228 00:54:05,330 --> 00:54:06,790 # Party people got a brand new treat # 1229 00:54:06,873 --> 00:54:08,917 # Off the well known tune we call heartbeat # 1230 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,461 # But we jazzed it up and we broke it down # 1231 00:54:11,545 --> 00:54:13,713 # And came out with a brand new funky sound # 1232 00:54:13,797 --> 00:54:15,841 # Now, I came here to get this straight # 1233 00:54:15,924 --> 00:54:18,343 # Our heartbeat's not on a normal break # 1234 00:54:18,427 --> 00:54:20,679 # 'Cause when we get excited our adrenaline flows # 1235 00:54:20,762 --> 00:54:22,889 # And this is the way our heartbeat goes # 1236 00:54:22,973 --> 00:54:25,392 # A hop-skip-and-a-jump but I play no bump # 1237 00:54:25,475 --> 00:54:27,602 # Bump-bump-bump-bump bumpety-bump # 1238 00:54:27,686 --> 00:54:29,855 # It's a brand new treat and it sounds so sweet # 1239 00:54:29,938 --> 00:54:32,399 # The rapping, the music our new heartbeat # 1240 00:54:32,482 --> 00:54:34,734 # So feel the heartbeat, so feel the heartbeat # 1241 00:54:34,818 --> 00:54:36,862 # We're the treacherous three, we got a new heartbeat # 1242 00:54:36,945 --> 00:54:38,864 # Hah! # 1243 00:54:38,947 --> 00:54:43,910 - Consider us the professionals. 1244 00:54:46,830 --> 00:54:49,291 Woman: I think it's about time the politicians came down 1245 00:54:49,374 --> 00:54:51,501 and looked and saw what is on these trains. 1246 00:54:51,585 --> 00:54:53,545 It is just awful. 1247 00:54:53,628 --> 00:54:55,297 - It shouldn't be that way. 1248 00:54:55,380 --> 00:54:56,923 It should be cleaned, and the ones that are caught, 1249 00:54:57,007 --> 00:55:01,261 they should clean it-- the o ones they catch doing that. 1250 00:55:01,344 --> 00:55:04,389 - What's the sense of paying 75 cents when you have to ride 1251 00:55:04,473 --> 00:55:05,974 graffiti trains, you know? 1252 00:55:06,057 --> 00:55:08,393 - It gives a terrible impression of the city. 1253 00:55:08,477 --> 00:55:09,895 And if you think the outside is bad-- 1254 00:55:09,978 --> 00:55:11,855 I've been riding them, like I say, for 40 years-- 1255 00:55:11,938 --> 00:55:13,899 the inside is just unbelievable. 1256 00:55:13,982 --> 00:55:15,942 - It's a violation of public property. 1257 00:55:16,026 --> 00:55:17,652 - I think it's disgusting. 1258 00:55:17,736 --> 00:55:19,863 - They should get somebody to clean up the damn place. 1259 00:55:19,946 --> 00:55:24,910 - We move three and a half million people a day. 1260 00:55:25,494 --> 00:55:27,829 They have rights, too. 1261 00:55:27,913 --> 00:55:29,247 ( train screeching to stop ) 1262 00:55:29,331 --> 00:55:31,541 - The people see the outside of the cars 1263 00:55:31,625 --> 00:55:34,753 when the trains are going-- pull into the station, 1264 00:55:34,836 --> 00:55:37,464 or when they're passing on the express track. 1265 00:55:37,547 --> 00:55:39,716 And then it's generally a blur. 1266 00:55:39,799 --> 00:55:41,551 But I don't think the public finds that 1267 00:55:41,635 --> 00:55:46,473 nearly as intrusive and ugly as they do the inside graffiti. 1268 00:55:46,890 --> 00:55:47,933 - He hates the insides. 1269 00:55:48,016 --> 00:55:49,684 - Yeah, he hates the insides. 1270 00:55:49,768 --> 00:55:52,812 He said if there's any possible way of we giving him 1271 00:55:52,896 --> 00:55:56,358 some kind of suggestion of how to get rid of the inside, 1272 00:55:56,441 --> 00:55:59,611 he said there might be a chance of "negotiating" 1273 00:55:59,694 --> 00:56:01,530 with the outside. 1274 00:56:01,613 --> 00:56:03,281 - "Negogiading?" 1275 00:56:03,365 --> 00:56:04,574 - Something like that. 1276 00:56:04,658 --> 00:56:08,537 I met with a group of them one day. 1277 00:56:08,620 --> 00:56:10,956 More out of intellectual curiosity as to who 1278 00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:13,416 they were and what made them tick. 1279 00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:15,460 I found them surprisingly articulate. 1280 00:56:15,544 --> 00:56:22,425 They expressed a strong sense that if their outside paintings 1281 00:56:22,717 --> 00:56:27,681 were left untouched, that the public would be impressed. 1282 00:56:29,057 --> 00:56:31,017 We came up to him with a proposal to paint 1283 00:56:31,101 --> 00:56:35,939 10 cars inside and out and let it run in the major stations. 1284 00:56:36,022 --> 00:56:38,942 - And let people vote on it, let's say a two-week period, 1285 00:56:39,025 --> 00:56:43,363 and after the two-week period, they'll have the results in the 1286 00:56:43,446 --> 00:56:47,325 paper, and I think the MTA will be embarrassed. 1287 00:56:47,409 --> 00:56:49,661 - I thought there was no basis whatsoever in which it was 1288 00:56:49,744 --> 00:56:54,708 proper for anyone to touch our property 1289 00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:57,627 in an unauthorized fashion. 1290 00:56:57,711 --> 00:56:58,837 - They got guys out there 1291 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,922 that are mugging people in the subways, 1292 00:57:01,006 --> 00:57:04,342 stabbing people, throwing people into the tracks and all that, 1293 00:57:04,426 --> 00:57:08,388 and they're wasting their bullshit money trying to get us. 1294 00:57:08,471 --> 00:57:11,016 - With all respect, I think you are close 1295 00:57:11,099 --> 00:57:15,478 to falling into the trap of the 1960s culture, 1296 00:57:15,562 --> 00:57:19,608 which says this society has left these kids 1297 00:57:19,691 --> 00:57:22,527 with not enough to do. 1298 00:57:22,611 --> 00:57:24,362 If the kids have energy and want to do something, 1299 00:57:24,446 --> 00:57:28,658 we'll give them all brooms, we'll give them all sponges, 1300 00:57:28,742 --> 00:57:31,369 and they can do something that is publicly productive, 1301 00:57:31,453 --> 00:57:34,914 useful and that would earn for them the respect 1302 00:57:34,998 --> 00:57:37,834 and approbation of their fellow citizens. 1303 00:57:37,917 --> 00:57:40,712 It isn't the energy that is misplaced, 1304 00:57:40,795 --> 00:57:43,965 it's the value system that is misplaced. 1305 00:57:44,049 --> 00:57:49,012 ( Wagnerian orchestral music plays ) 1306 00:58:36,184 --> 00:58:38,937 - I think it's great for the riding public 1307 00:58:39,020 --> 00:58:41,898 to be up on the station, one cold and dreary day 1308 00:58:41,981 --> 00:58:45,193 and see a nice white, shiny car come pulling 1309 00:58:45,276 --> 00:58:46,820 up to the station. 1310 00:58:46,903 --> 00:58:48,738 - The public has knocked us for so long, 1311 00:58:48,822 --> 00:58:50,532 that we are doing nothing. 1312 00:58:50,615 --> 00:58:51,616 It couldn't be done. 1313 00:58:51,700 --> 00:58:53,034 We proved that we done it. 1314 00:58:53,118 --> 00:58:56,454 - We painted 409 cars in approximately eight weeks. 1315 00:58:56,538 --> 00:58:58,790 24 hours a day, seven days a week 1316 00:58:58,873 --> 00:59:01,459 and not one day did we miss that production schedule. 1317 00:59:01,543 --> 00:59:04,212 - Our personal pride was hurt. A lot of people been knocking 1318 00:59:04,295 --> 00:59:07,132 the transit authority, and we wanted to show 1319 00:59:07,215 --> 00:59:08,717 them that we could do something. 1320 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,177 If the Japanese can do it, we can do it. 1321 00:59:17,726 --> 00:59:19,144 Man: The stuff is like razor blades-- 1322 00:59:19,227 --> 00:59:21,646 about two inches long and there's one of these 1323 00:59:21,730 --> 00:59:22,897 every two inches. 1324 00:59:22,981 --> 00:59:24,774 There's really not too much protective clothing you 1325 00:59:24,858 --> 00:59:27,736 can wear to prevent yourself from getting cut. 1326 00:59:27,819 --> 00:59:30,530 And once you do fall into it, it's so structured that it 1327 00:59:30,613 --> 00:59:33,491 collapses upon you and the more you try to move, 1328 00:59:33,575 --> 00:59:35,034 the worse off you become. 1329 00:59:35,118 --> 00:59:37,829 - It's like in the movies, like in "Apocalypse Now," 1330 00:59:37,912 --> 00:59:40,582 they used it to protect their lines and their barricades. 1331 00:59:40,665 --> 00:59:45,628 They want to hold back the enemy from destroying our trains. 1332 00:59:57,932 --> 01:00:02,020 Mayor Koch: About three years ago, I decided to suggest 1333 01:00:02,103 --> 01:00:07,066 to Dick Ravitch that they put a dog in the yard 1334 01:00:08,151 --> 01:00:10,779 to keep the graffiti vandals out. 1335 01:00:10,862 --> 01:00:15,825 The MTA rejected it and they said, no, 1336 01:00:16,117 --> 01:00:18,036 that if you put a dog in the yard, the dog 1337 01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:19,537 would step on the third rail. 1338 01:00:19,621 --> 01:00:20,997 Now, I don't happen to think that dogs step 1339 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,750 on the third rail, but I said in response to that, 1340 01:00:23,833 --> 01:00:26,252 you think the dog will step on the third rail, 1341 01:00:26,336 --> 01:00:29,214 then build two fences and have the dog run between 1342 01:00:29,297 --> 01:00:32,217 the two fences and that will keep people out and 1343 01:00:32,300 --> 01:00:34,844 protect the dog from stepping on the third rail. " 1344 01:00:34,928 --> 01:00:37,764 And the response was, "Maybe somebody will climb 1345 01:00:37,847 --> 01:00:41,059 over the fence and the dog will bite them." 1346 01:00:41,142 --> 01:00:43,728 I said, "I though at was what the dog was for." 1347 01:00:43,812 --> 01:00:48,316 But if you're afraid of having the dog bite such a vandal, 1348 01:00:48,399 --> 01:00:52,821 and here I called upon my prodigious memory, I said, 1349 01:00:52,904 --> 01:00:55,073 "What you should do then, instead of using a dog, 1350 01:00:55,156 --> 01:00:57,909 is to use a wolf, and have a wolf run 1351 01:00:57,992 --> 01:00:59,285 between the two fences. 1352 01:00:59,369 --> 01:01:04,332 Because there is no recorded case in history 1353 01:01:04,749 --> 01:01:07,293 where a wolf has ever attacked 1354 01:01:07,377 --> 01:01:11,923 a human being unless the wolf were rabid-- mad." 1355 01:01:12,006 --> 01:01:15,677 As a result of telling that story innumerable times, 1356 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,138 I embarrassed the MTA into building the fence 1357 01:01:19,222 --> 01:01:24,185 around the first of 19 yards. And it was so successful 1358 01:01:24,435 --> 01:01:27,605 they now claim it as their own idea and they're building 1359 01:01:27,689 --> 01:01:29,107 18 more fences. 1360 01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:34,153 ( Wagnerian orchestral music plays ) 1361 01:01:55,049 --> 01:01:56,634 Iz: I think it's stupid. 1362 01:01:56,718 --> 01:01:58,970 The idea of having all this barbed wire 1363 01:01:59,053 --> 01:02:00,930 and fences and protection. 1364 01:02:01,014 --> 01:02:03,182 Trains are still going to get written on. 1365 01:02:03,266 --> 01:02:05,977 - They invented the white elephant. 1366 01:02:06,060 --> 01:02:09,814 It's still got-- well, they weren't bombed, 1367 01:02:09,898 --> 01:02:11,149 but they had little mosquito bites. 1368 01:02:11,232 --> 01:02:12,692 Call it what you want. 1369 01:02:12,775 --> 01:02:14,319 They were still written on. 1370 01:02:14,402 --> 01:02:17,363 They're still not spotless, completely. 1371 01:02:17,447 --> 01:02:18,907 - "Dump Koch." 1372 01:02:18,990 --> 01:02:20,950 Well, there you go. 1373 01:02:21,034 --> 01:02:23,828 That is the highest praise imaginable because, 1374 01:02:23,912 --> 01:02:28,875 obviously, I'm getting to them. 1375 01:02:37,926 --> 01:02:38,843 There always will be graffiti. 1376 01:02:38,927 --> 01:02:39,886 It's a part of New York. 1377 01:02:39,969 --> 01:02:41,679 It'll be there forever. 1378 01:02:41,763 --> 01:02:43,389 Someone will always want to jump down on the track, 1379 01:02:43,473 --> 01:02:46,017 or while the train's moving and just take out 1380 01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:49,437 a can of paint or a marker and put up their initial. 1381 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,856 - He still shows me all his things, 1382 01:02:51,940 --> 01:02:56,319 which I don't even want to see. 1383 01:02:56,402 --> 01:02:58,237 But we still talk. 1384 01:02:58,321 --> 01:03:00,239 He tells me just about everything that goes on. 1385 01:03:00,323 --> 01:03:01,449 Other than that, I wouldn't really be able 1386 01:03:01,532 --> 01:03:03,076 to tell you so much. 1387 01:03:03,159 --> 01:03:05,995 And, like sometimes-- knowing all this, 1388 01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:09,374 it just really only makes me that much more fearful for him. 1389 01:03:09,457 --> 01:03:11,000 - I felt that I just had to let her know, 1390 01:03:11,084 --> 01:03:13,419 'cause sometimes when it's time to go bombing, 1391 01:03:13,503 --> 01:03:16,047 you got to go late at night in the middle of the night. 1392 01:03:16,130 --> 01:03:18,007 You've got to leave the house at 2:00 1393 01:03:18,091 --> 01:03:22,470 just to go bombing so you don't get caught. 1394 01:03:22,553 --> 01:03:24,973 You know, she got to know where I'm going, 1395 01:03:25,056 --> 01:03:26,391 can't just say I'm going to a party. 1396 01:03:26,474 --> 01:03:28,393 No party's going to start at 2:00. 1397 01:03:28,476 --> 01:03:30,353 - Not every kid would tell his mother where he's going. 1398 01:03:30,436 --> 01:03:35,066 - Yeah, well, I'd rather let my mother know what's going on, 1399 01:03:35,817 --> 01:03:37,068 you know, than keep her in the dark. 1400 01:03:37,151 --> 01:03:38,945 If I get busted, cops call, 1401 01:03:39,028 --> 01:03:41,489 "Excuse me, we have your son for graffiti." 1402 01:03:41,572 --> 01:03:44,450 And I'd rather let her know that I was doing it 1403 01:03:44,534 --> 01:03:49,163 so she's prepared to come and get me out. 1404 01:03:49,247 --> 01:03:50,373 But, I'm never getting busted, 1405 01:03:50,456 --> 01:03:55,378 so we don't have to worry about that. 1406 01:04:02,301 --> 01:04:04,262 Dondi: I mean, an adult, 1407 01:04:04,345 --> 01:04:07,932 I just couldn't see an adult ever putting that much energy 1408 01:04:08,016 --> 01:04:09,976 into something that isn't going to pay, 1409 01:04:10,059 --> 01:04:12,103 or is going to risk their life or have 1410 01:04:12,186 --> 01:04:15,314 the possibility of them getting arrested. 1411 01:04:15,398 --> 01:04:18,526 - I see myself eventually growing out of graf 1412 01:04:18,609 --> 01:04:22,363 and getting married and living the lifestyle, you know, 1413 01:04:22,447 --> 01:04:24,907 and making good money, like that. 1414 01:04:24,991 --> 01:04:27,952 And when life is at its best, you don't really want to 1415 01:04:28,036 --> 01:04:29,912 run around in the trains. 1416 01:04:29,996 --> 01:04:32,081 I'm sure I'll come back every now and then, 1417 01:04:32,165 --> 01:04:33,791 just to let people know I'm still around. 1418 01:04:33,875 --> 01:04:34,792 - Oh, no. 1419 01:04:34,876 --> 01:04:35,960 When I come back, I take over. 1420 01:04:36,044 --> 01:04:36,961 And that's it. 1421 01:04:37,045 --> 01:04:38,004 After that. 1422 01:04:38,087 --> 01:04:39,130 - And after that-- 1423 01:04:39,213 --> 01:04:40,840 - You want the prince of the 6s? 1424 01:04:40,923 --> 01:04:42,091 I'm king right here. 1425 01:04:42,175 --> 01:04:43,509 I'm the prince of the 6s. 1426 01:04:43,593 --> 01:04:45,136 He's later. 1427 01:04:45,219 --> 01:04:46,846 You know, he's one of the has-beens-- 1428 01:04:46,929 --> 01:04:49,182 - I'm what they call a has-been, and he's a wannabe. 1429 01:04:49,265 --> 01:04:52,310 - A wannabe? 1430 01:04:52,393 --> 01:04:53,895 - So they consider you a king? 1431 01:04:53,978 --> 01:04:56,314 - Put it this way: I am a king. 1432 01:04:56,397 --> 01:04:57,815 I could say-- 1433 01:04:57,899 --> 01:04:58,900 - King of what? 1434 01:04:58,983 --> 01:05:00,985 - I want to tell you, I am the king of bombing. 1435 01:05:01,069 --> 01:05:02,528 - You got to be able to take over a line with insides, 1436 01:05:02,612 --> 01:05:05,364 take it over with throw-ups, top-to-bottoms, 1437 01:05:05,448 --> 01:05:06,407 you got to do everything. 1438 01:05:06,491 --> 01:05:10,578 If you specialize in one thing, you really can't call yourself 1439 01:05:10,661 --> 01:05:11,871 an all-out king. 1440 01:05:11,954 --> 01:05:12,914 - Who's king? 1441 01:05:12,997 --> 01:05:13,998 You're looking at him, right here, my brotha. 1442 01:05:14,082 --> 01:05:15,083 The original. 1443 01:05:15,166 --> 01:05:16,042 Know what I'm saying? 1444 01:05:16,125 --> 01:05:17,585 Kingdom Islam; Nation god, 1445 01:05:17,668 --> 01:05:20,213 for I'm the one that rocks so far. 1446 01:05:20,296 --> 01:05:23,091 Always rocking the jazziest car, know what I'm saying? 1447 01:05:23,174 --> 01:05:25,384 The only and the original Magnetic King, 1448 01:05:25,468 --> 01:05:30,431 and that's the one that's still sitting here doing his thing. 1449 01:05:31,015 --> 01:05:32,391 - You know it. 1450 01:05:32,475 --> 01:05:33,559 We all live. 1451 01:05:33,643 --> 01:05:35,353 This is the original old master killer of 1452 01:05:35,436 --> 01:05:36,854 the "Manila Thrilla," right here that 1453 01:05:36,938 --> 01:05:37,897 you're looking at. 1454 01:05:37,980 --> 01:05:39,857 The original king and love to do his thing. 1455 01:05:39,941 --> 01:05:42,068 Don't shout, don't run, don't hide, don't sky. 1456 01:05:42,151 --> 01:05:44,570 This is me coming to you natural and live. 1457 01:05:44,654 --> 01:05:46,322 On CB...whatever. 1458 01:05:46,405 --> 01:05:47,365 - Ha, Ha! 1459 01:05:47,448 --> 01:05:49,408 - CB without the mic. 1460 01:05:52,954 --> 01:05:55,915 #### 110115

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