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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,880 MALE INTERVIEWER: Who was Alexander Perepilichnyy? 2 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,880 Yeah, so Perepilichnyy is... 3 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,680 OK, so Perepilichnyy is a story that has basically, like, 4 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,640 consumed a large part of our lives for the last few years. 5 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,920 (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) 6 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:34,360 The US intelligence community 7 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,800 was drawing up a report about Russian assassinations 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:43,000 and assessing the likelihood of Kremlin involvement in their deaths. 9 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,680 The Perepilichnyy case had a high rating 10 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,960 for having been ordered by the Kremlin. 11 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,800 (OMINOUS MUSIC INTENSIFIES) 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,200 With Perepilichnyy's case, 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,400 we were worried there would be a miscarriage of justice 14 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,320 if this information wasn't known. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,040 TOM: It just flipped a switch. 16 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,920 It's not us, this group of journalists looking at it, 17 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:07,120 it's the US intelligence community. 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,960 And that was a moment where I just thought, like, shit, like... 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,720 We actually really are on to something. 20 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,880 (OMINOUS MUSIC INTENSIFIES) 21 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,720 (RADIO STATIC) 22 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,600 REPORTER: A murder investigation is being launched into the death 23 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,640 of another Russian on British soil. 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,840 (LOUD CLOCK GONGS) 25 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,120 (THEME MUSIC STARTS) 26 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,240 REPORTER: He told his uncle a fortnight before he died, 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,840 "If anything happens to me in the next two weeks, it won't be an accident." 28 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,560 (RUSSIAN SINGER RAPPING) 29 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:01,000 REPORTER: London is levitating on a sea of dirty money. 30 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,560 RUSSIAN MAN: If you deal with somebody 31 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,160 who has a very suspicious track record, 32 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,120 some day it will come back to haunt you. 33 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,880 (POLICE SIREN WAILING) 34 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,720 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 35 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,120 The rate of deaths in Surrey, suspicious or otherwise, isn't high. 36 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,600 It's not a huge population. It's not a huge landmass. 37 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:37,000 (POLICE SIREN WAILING) 38 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,120 There's obviously clear murders. 39 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,400 People who may be found by the side of the road 40 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,280 who could well have been hit by a car. 41 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,880 There's people who, on first sight, appear to have taken their own life, 42 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:52,480 and then there's an untimely death where there's no obvious cause. 43 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,960 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING) 44 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,440 The news of Mr Perepilichnyy's death came into Special Branch, 45 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:06,120 because of the fact that he was a Russian who had moved into the area. 46 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,960 The fact of the matter remains that what detectives needed to deal with 47 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,160 was how he came to be found dead. 48 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,240 (OMINOUS MUSIC INTENSIFIES) 49 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,400 (OFFICE CHATTER) 50 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,080 With the Perepilichnyy case, that one was the one 51 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,720 we were racing against time to get out. 52 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,880 And that was because the inquest was about to start. 53 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,960 The initial interest in the death of Alexander Perepilichnyy really blew up. 54 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,840 People asking questions about whether Perepilichnyy had been poisoned. 55 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,800 I wanted to investigate what Perepilichnyy had been doing 56 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,560 just before his death. 57 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,880 So, that's when I turned to the chief antagonist of Vladimir Putin. 58 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,240 If you were to ask my friends to describe Bill Browder - me - 59 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,200 in one sentence, 60 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:10,120 the answer would be that I'm Putin's number one enemy. 61 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,440 I was running the largest investment fund in Russia. 62 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,760 I was expelled from Russia and declared a threat to national security. 63 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,760 They deported me from Russia to the UK. 64 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,040 When the Russians turn on you, they don't tend to do so mildly. 65 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,720 They tend to do so with extreme prejudice. 66 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,320 Putin I believe to be the richest man in the world. 67 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,080 And the purpose of Putin's regime has been to commit terrible crimes 68 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,000 in order to get that money. 69 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,600 Putin needs to keep everybody absolutely terrified of him. 70 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,480 He doesn't have to kill everybody. He just has to kill a few people 71 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:46,240 and make it so clear that terrible things will come to you if you cross Putin. 72 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,800 In the summer of 2010, 73 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:53,320 I was putting together YouTube videos 74 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,160 about corrupt police officers. 75 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,320 We focused on exposing crimes committed by the police officers 76 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,520 and the tax officers, and how much money they got. 77 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,040 Everybody thought we were the greatest thing since sliced bread, 78 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,120 "Wow, you're going after the bad guys." 79 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,320 One day, my colleague Jamison Firestone 80 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,080 got an unsolicited email from Alexander Perepilichnyy... 81 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:17,960 ..who claimed he had information - bank statements of a tax official 82 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,080 who was in the business of authorizing illegal tax refunds. 83 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:28,000 The tax official authorized the largest illegal tax refund in the history of Russia. 84 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,400 The information was as good as anything we'd ever gotten 85 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,920 and as consequential as anything we'd ever gotten. 86 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,800 A true smoking gun. 87 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,920 But the Russians, they're playing 3D chess over there. 88 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,320 We didn't know whether this was a setup, 89 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,040 whether this guy was for real. 90 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,640 We didn't know if this was a way of them trying to hurt us. 91 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,040 (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) 92 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,920 Bill said, "What do you wanna do?" 93 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,760 I said, "I wanna meet him." He said, "Could be dangerous." 94 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,160 I said, "We need to meet him. I really want to." 95 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,400 We've been threatened a million times already. 96 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,240 Hopefully, this won't end in violence of some kind. 97 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,040 When Jamie went to that meeting, 98 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,640 we had a whole bunch of plain-clothed bodyguards 99 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,240 scattered around the place. 100 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:21,720 We have very, very serious concerns for our safety. 101 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,200 This is after Litvinenko was poisoned. 102 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,880 (CHUCKLING) I'm not drinking any water or eating anything. 103 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,360 They're like, if you scratch your head, if you do like this, 104 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,600 all hell breaks loose and my team will get you the hell outta there. 105 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,200 (TENSE, MYSTERIOUS MUSIC) 106 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,240 This guy walks in, he introduces himself as Alexander. 107 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,240 Alexander Perepilichnyy was a money manager. 108 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:49,240 He was a money launderer. He was a financier in Russia. 109 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,960 He was part of the fraud that he ended up exposing. 110 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,280 BILL: He had fallen out with the people he had managed the money for, 111 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,280 and they threatened him with various criminal cases in Russia 112 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,520 if he didn't return the money. 113 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,040 And so he fled to the UK. He got in touch with us. 114 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,040 His logic was that if he exposed his enemies, that would get him off the hook. 115 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,720 And so he gave us the information on the illegal tax refund. 116 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,480 And I said, "You've given me this stuff. What do you want?" 117 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,840 He said, "I want you to make a movie and expose the tax inspectors." 118 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,360 The refund was made to three companies 119 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,880 that police officers working with organized criminals 120 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,160 stole from my client, the Hermitage Fund. 121 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,160 BILL: This video, it went viral in Russia and outside of Russia. 122 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,520 Alexander Perepilichnyy blew the whistle 123 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,040 on a massive Russian government-linked fraud. 124 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,120 And he handed over evidence of Kremlin complicity 125 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,520 in a huge money laundering scandal. 126 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,960 We knew the Russians were threatening him 127 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,000 with all sorts of criminal investigations 128 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,720 and asking for, like, a million dollars or something to close it, 129 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,240 but we were shocked when he died. 130 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,680 (HEAVY BREATHING) 131 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,560 Perepilichnyy had threats levelled against him. 132 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,440 He was afraid for his life. 133 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,920 His name was found on a Russian hit list. 134 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,640 (HEARTBEATS) 135 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,880 (BREATHING QUICKENS) 136 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,120 (SIRENS WAILING) 137 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,000 NEWS READER 1: Russian businessman Alex Perepilichnyy was found dead. 138 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,680 NEWS READER 2: Sources have told the BBC 139 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,200 he'd had a medical check-up months before, 140 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,960 no problems had been found. 141 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,960 NEW READER 3: He was just 44. 142 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,480 JANE: The police, when they found his body that day, 143 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:50,440 almost immediately decided it was a non-suspicious death. 144 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,200 REPORTER 1: Police couldn't have been more clear. There was no foul play. 145 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,680 He died of natural causes. 146 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,480 BILL: When they arrived, police did not treat his death as suspicious. 147 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:05,360 I believe it was a full, open, diligent investigation 148 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,480 and everyone on that investigation would have been determined 149 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,160 to the best of their ability to come up with answers. 150 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,080 HEIDI: We have Gold Committee minutes which show senior officers 151 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,600 telling the investigating officers at the time to make this a non-issue, 152 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,560 telling them that there is ambient interest in this case at a government level, 153 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,480 telling them to keep their statements to the media bland. 154 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,000 There was pressure on the officers involved in that case 155 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,760 not to inflame speculation about Perepilichnyy's death. 156 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,480 The fact of the matter was that at that moment in time, 157 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,360 there wasn't anything to suggest that the death was suspicious. 158 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,360 So it was, kind of, managing expectations 159 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,160 around some sort of media frenzy happening. 160 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:49,960 The police lost key evidence 161 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,240 that limited the scope of the investigation and what could be done. 162 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,280 Police evidence disks containing critical digital information 163 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,960 from Perepilichnyy's computer went missing. 164 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,480 Not only the original evidence disk went missing, 165 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,360 but the backup copy also went missing. 166 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,960 They quickly said we don't see anything suspicious here. 167 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,560 There was nothing wrong. 168 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,920 HEIDI: There was all sorts of evidence 169 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,720 that Perepilichnyy was a man with a target on his back. 170 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,280 The man went and took eight million pounds worth of life insurance out. 171 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:20,720 You don't do that. 172 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:25,520 You don't do that if you don't think somebody might whack you. 173 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:28,760 His insurance company didn't want to pay out the policy. 174 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,080 They requested clinical investigation 175 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,080 into the contents of his stomach. 176 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,480 The police sent this to a special forensics laboratory 177 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,160 at a place called Kew Gardens. 178 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:43,000 (CLASSICAL STRING MUSIC PLAYING) 179 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,480 NEWS REPORTER 4: Plant toxicology experts from the Royal Botanic Gardens in Kew 180 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,680 were asked to help determine the cause of death. 181 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:57,240 WOMAN: Kew Gardens started as a garden in the mid 1750s. 182 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,280 It became a real centre for what we term plant taxonomy, 183 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,440 which is basically the study of plant names, 184 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,680 how to name them, studying their distribution. 185 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,520 We've actually got more scientists here than horticultural staff, 186 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:18,160 so it's really a research institute with a garden attached. 187 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,640 We were contacted and asked if we could help. 188 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:24,000 We had no preconceived ideas. 189 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,240 All we were really looking for - 190 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,960 could he have been given something that was a toxin? 191 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,040 When the specimens come in, we accession the samples. 192 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,840 We could see something that might have had the ion 193 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,360 of an alkaloid from Gelsemium. 194 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:48,840 Gelsemium is a herb that occurs mainly in parts of Asia. 195 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,000 HEIDI: Monique Simmonds examined the contents of his stomach 196 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,040 and gathered that his stomach might have contained traces of Gelsemium 197 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,840 which is a deadly plant poison, known to be used by assassins. 198 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:05,560 It attacks the respiratory system and it is quite fast acting. 199 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,440 HEIDI: Its nickname is 'heartbreak grass,' 200 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,560 because it's known to trigger cardiac arrest 201 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,400 which is exactly what Alexander Perepilichnyy died of. 202 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,320 That discovery suddenly drew a huge amount of attention to the case. 203 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,560 NEWS REPORTER 5: Traces of an extremely toxic plant in his stomach 204 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,560 appear to have been found. 205 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:27,240 NEWS REPORTER 6: There are many calling foul play and looking for answers. 206 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,560 JANE: The days leading up to Perepilichnyy's death 207 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,680 were largely shrouded in mystery for a long time. 208 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,040 A senior French law enforcement source 209 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,720 found some transactions on his credit card 210 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:51,240 which showed him booking rooms in two hotels for the same night in central Paris. 211 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,640 But nobody knew what he was doing there. 212 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:58,480 I travelled out there to talk to sources in the French police about that case 213 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:04,320 and was able to obtain a copy of the French police file into Perepilichnyy's death. 214 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,080 I discovered in the file that detectives had identified Elmira Medynska 215 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,840 as the woman Perepilichnyy had been visiting in Paris. 216 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,320 (JAZZ DRUMS PLAYING) 217 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,080 And so we had a name, 218 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,360 and we had a date of birth for Elmira Medynska, 219 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,480 we knew she was a Ukrainian national. 220 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,200 We didn't know where she was. 221 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,320 That's when I turn to Jane Bradley. 222 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,400 She is our resident super sleuth when it comes to tracking people down. 223 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,600 I started digging into her, and I did all my usual searches - 224 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,960 social media, public records, everything I could think of, 225 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,800 and could find no trace of a woman called Elmira Medynska. 226 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,600 And then I had a breakthrough. 227 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:48,560 I found a company called Elmira Medins in Spain. 228 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,840 And I thought, "She's using a different name, she's not using her full name." 229 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,800 That then led me to her Facebook, her Instagram... 230 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,880 She'd changed her biography on Instagram 231 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,240 and added a residential address in Paris to her biography. 232 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,240 So I determined, without much thought, 233 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,680 that I would go to this address. 234 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,760 (MYSTERIOUS MUSIC PLAYING) 235 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,320 I set off, I let the team know that I was going in, 236 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,440 and we kind of set up check-ins every ten minutes. 237 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,040 (MYSTERIOUS MUSIC CONTINUES) 238 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,520 I arrived at this huge, great big Parisian apartment block 239 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,840 with an enormous great big hardwood door. 240 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,720 There was a big spiral staircase 241 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,680 that went up about eight stories and I was trudging up, 242 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,480 steps kind of echoing out in this big stone atrium 243 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,760 and got to the top, 244 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,640 and there was Elmira Medynska waiting for me. 245 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,440 She was the tallest woman I have ever seen in my life. 246 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,960 She must have been six foot five or six foot six. 247 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,400 I said to her, "Were you expecting me?" 248 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,520 And she said, "Yes, I was." 249 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,920 And she ushered me into her apartment. 250 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,840 And inside were three men, all wearing suits, 251 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,600 and speaking with, in heavily accented English. 252 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,120 I said I was a journalist and I was there to ask her about a man 253 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,280 she'd spent a couple of nights with in Paris about five years before, 254 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,640 a man called Alexander Perepilichnyy. 255 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,040 And she immediately said, "Of course I know this man." 256 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,400 They had spent these two nights together in Paris. 257 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,840 He'd been very agitated 258 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,040 and clearly frightened during their trip together. 259 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,720 JANE: He seemed really stressed and kept leaving the dinner table. 260 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,320 BILL: The day before he came back to London, 261 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,960 he was sick after having sushi. 262 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,680 HEIDI: And had spent hours throwing up. 263 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,160 (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) 264 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,400 (MUSIC FADES OUT ABRUPTLY) 265 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,000 Perepilichnyy's inquest at the time was ongoing, 266 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,760 and the police simply hadn't spoken to Elmira Medynska 267 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,320 about how he'd spent his last two nights. 268 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:13,000 Perepilichnyy's inquest was heard at the Old Bailey in the heart of London. 269 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,120 And the Old Bailey, for anyone who hasn't stepped inside, 270 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,960 is exactly how you would imagine 271 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:24,680 an old Victorian, prestigious, historic court to be like. 272 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,680 (COURT CHATTER) 273 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,640 I personally sat through 18 months of that inquest. 274 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,360 I want this verdict to be an informed verdict. 275 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,720 It was, kind of, a race against time 276 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,320 to get Perepilichnyy's story ready. 277 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,320 We wanted to publish it so the judge and all the parties 278 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,560 would have time to properly look into the evidence. 279 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,600 We couldn't sit on information that was germane to that inquest, 280 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,240 so we just had to publish the story. 281 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,840 (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) 282 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,360 We went first with the Perepilichnyy story. 283 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,800 We'd established through Jason's incredible intelligence sourcing 284 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,360 that there was a document that had been sent to Congress. 285 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,720 US Intelligence officials had gathered intel. 286 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,880 With Perepilichnyy's death there was a high level of confidence 287 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,800 that he was in fact assassinated on orders of Vladimir Putin. 288 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,840 HEIDI: We now had brand new information about the two days before he died. 289 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,720 Our hope with publishing when we did 290 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,120 was that the judge would see this information, 291 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,360 see, ah, there is a physical documentary piece of evidence here 292 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,040 that contains potentially important information 293 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,720 about Perepilichnyy's death. 294 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,760 NEWS REPORTER 7: BuzzFeed have published a series of explosive stories 295 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,920 investigating a number of deaths with links to Russia. 296 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,120 It was a huge relief to finally publish the story. 297 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,520 We'd been working on it for over two years of our lives. 298 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:57,160 I kind of felt like I had a big flag on my head 299 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,400 for being the troublesome BuzzFeed reporter 300 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,120 who was upending the inquest and causing all sorts of problems. 301 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,640 You know when you walk into a room and you feel half of the room's eyes 302 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,720 glaring at you, hating you for disrupting their inquest, 303 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,520 for the meddling press kind of publishing something that just 304 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,840 blew up the inquest. 305 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,560 And the judge and some of the parties there for the government 306 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,600 just were giving daggers at me. 307 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,040 People were already confused why BuzzFeed was in a courtroom. 308 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,560 They thought we just did cat gifs and lists. 309 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,920 (GAVEL BANGING) 310 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,560 Heidi's interview with Elmira had a huge impact. 311 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,520 The judge scrabbled around to go through our reporting 312 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,360 and figure out what new lines of inquiry were worth pursuing. 313 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:52,280 He decided there were two lines and that was to interview Elmira Medynska 314 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,240 and also to get the US intelligence report. 315 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,840 HEIDI: Clearly highly pertinent evidence. 316 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,240 That pretty quickly blew up the inquest. 317 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,880 And they had to suspend it while the coroner sought new evidence 318 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,320 off the back of our findings. 319 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:12,840 NEWS REPORTER 8: Alex Perepilichnyy's inquest will resume next month. 320 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,160 The inquest was upended to try and get answers. 321 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,080 The judge did want to hear this evidence, and it was important. 322 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:24,120 NEWS REPORTER 9: Elmira Medynska was never interviewed by Surrey Police. 323 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,840 The details of what happened in Paris only came out much later 324 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,760 when she spoke to BuzzFeed and then the inquest into his death. 325 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:39,840 One of the key theories being investigated 326 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,800 was whether or not he was poisoned. 327 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:47,320 Here we have this witness who the police didn't bother to interview, 328 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:52,960 who is now telling a court that he spent one of his last nights alive throwing up. 329 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,520 This evidence wouldn't have been heard 330 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:01,160 if we hadn't tracked down Elmira in Paris and told her story. 331 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,760 It's difficult to make these cases stick in court. 332 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,640 (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) 333 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,000 At the inquest, Monique Simmonds said it wasn't possible 334 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,320 to say that the substance she'd detected was Gelsemium. 335 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:18,640 We were asked specifically to confirm whether this ion 336 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,920 was or was not from the Gelsemium. 337 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,840 So when we went back to check on this, 338 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:31,560 we could not find an ion that was similar. 339 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,600 We had no evidence that it contained the alkaloids from Gelsemium. 340 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,680 She said, along with the other toxicologist, 341 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,760 there were other tests they would've liked to carry out 342 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,400 to definitively find out what it was, but they couldn't 343 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,400 because the pathologist threw away the majority of his stomach contents 344 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,520 and that really limited the amount of toxicology tests 345 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,600 that could be carried out. 346 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:57,560 It's one of the many features of investigating this pattern of suspicious deaths 347 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,880 that makes it quite difficult to get to the truth. 348 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,760 Do you have faith in this inquest as it is to get to the truth? 349 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,080 There is so much information that's still not been ventilated, 350 00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:11,600 so many requests that we've made for further investigation actions 351 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,480 which have not been approved. 352 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,680 I felt very conscious as we went about our work 353 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,600 of the threats that journalists around the world, 354 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,320 and particularly in Russia, 355 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:24,400 face on a daily basis, as they go after the truth. 356 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,840 WOMAN: A couple of us were living away from home 357 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,800 in these secure locations we'd been put in. 358 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,160 Weird things started happening to a few of us - 359 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,040 cars outside our house, 360 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,080 things being moved around in one of our apartments. 361 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:38,800 Then you start to think, 362 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,240 "Has this person been behind me for a long time? Are they following me?" 363 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,520 This was a really chilling investigation 364 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,720 to work on a story where you feel threatened. 365 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,040 The kind of level of understanding that's given me, 366 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,040 I think, doesn't go away. 367 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,600 (OMINOUS MUSIC) 368 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,680 (MUSIC FADES OUT ABRUPTLY) 369 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,160 (TOURIST CHATTER) 370 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:15,320 This has been a detailed and exhaustive process 371 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:18,560 in which the coroner has examined all of the available evidence, 372 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,640 and has returned a verdict of natural causes. 373 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,960 This supports the conclusion reached by Surrey Police in 2013 374 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,720 following a full investigation, which included two post mortems 375 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,760 and a very extensive range of toxicology tests. 376 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,560 The thing that baffled me about the inquest verdict 377 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,440 was how you can say someone died, 378 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,040 likely died of natural causes, 379 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,680 without finding any natural cause of death. 380 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,120 Today, Putin will be celebrating this result. 381 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,760 I mean, just every step of the way, this was just keystone cops. 382 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,840 There is huge circumstantial evidence 383 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,480 that Putin sent his assassins here. 384 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,480 If the police had investigated properly, there would've been a different result. 385 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,080 I'm satisfied that the investigation 386 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:06,440 was conducted to the best of its ability 387 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,200 based on what was known at the time and the evidence available. 388 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,320 There weren't any external factors involved, 389 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:16,400 and that's the conclusion that the Coroner came to as well. 390 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,120 That it was probably natural causes. 391 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,280 If people want to say the Perepilichnyy case was innocent 392 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,320 and it was a heart attack, fine. 393 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:26,840 Why was some of the evidence heard behind closed doors? 394 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,760 You don't do that in an average heart attack case. 395 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,840 If I went out and ate some bad sushi and keeled over, 396 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,880 there's no way on Earth that in my inquest there'd be 'closed evidence' 397 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,840 that was withheld for 'national security reasons.' 398 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,520 (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) 399 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,080 HEIDI: The British authorities had to be held to account 400 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:50,600 for their failure to act on the evidence that we'd already uncovered 401 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,760 that Russia may have been conducting an escalating campaign 402 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,160 of targeted assassination on British soil. 403 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,120 (DRAMATIC MUSIC INTENSIFIES) 404 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,640 (MUSIC STOPS, BIRDS CHIRPING) 405 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,800 Everything what they're writing is wrong. 406 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,160 It's false information, it's disinformation. 407 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,400 It's deception. It's not true what they're writing. 408 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,040 If somebody wants to give an interview, 409 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,000 like I'm doing right now, 410 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,440 it does not mean that he automatically 411 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,400 becomes a potential victim for the Russian intelligence services. 412 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,960 No, this is not true. 413 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,920 And if I am walking out of this room now 414 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,360 and something happens to me like an automobile accident 415 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,120 or I'm getting poisoned with bad fish, 416 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,440 something because I love sushi, OK? 417 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,240 That does not mean that the Russian intelligence is involved. 418 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,760 But of course, BuzzFeed can make an investigation and say, look, 419 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,000 he's a former special operations officer. 420 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,840 He's living in this country. He's giving interviews. 421 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,000 And this is very natural and obvious 422 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,240 that the Russians were on him for a long time 423 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,720 because he's publishing books, articles and doing private investigations 424 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,360 for private British companies. 425 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,680 And that it's natural that he was dealt with 426 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,160 by Secret Service, which is not true. 427 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,080 (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) 428 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,360 The funny thing is, right, 429 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,800 people were, like, disbelieving of what we'd done. 430 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,600 And then all of a sudden, 431 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,640 this bulletin goes through newsrooms, 432 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,800 there's been some kind of event in Salisbury. 433 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,840 (OMINOUS MUSIC) 434 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,480 And literally... 435 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,280 ..it changed. 436 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,320 AccessibleCustomerService@sky.uk 36484

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