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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,960 We've seen in our reporting cases in which 2 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,240 politically exposed Russians die suspiciously in Britain. 3 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,000 REPORTER: The wealthy Russian exile and whistle-blower dropped dead. 4 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,360 British police ruled out foul play. 5 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,840 Isn't it reasonable to ask: Did the police look at it properly? 6 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,920 Police say Young's death is not being treated as suspicious. 7 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,160 There are so many questions left unanswered. 8 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,840 REPORTER 2: Police officers say they have no evidence that anyone else was involved. 9 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,320 TOM WARREN: If these events are happening, 10 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,600 here's a government that has impunity when it comes 11 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,680 to attacking or undermining dissidents abroad. 12 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,440 That is insane, 13 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,400 like that's truly, like, mind-bogglingly insane. 14 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,520 A murder investigation 15 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,960 into the death of another Russian on British soil. 16 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,880 He told his uncle a fortnight before he died, 17 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,160 "If anything happens to me in the next two weeks, 18 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,240 it won't be an accident." 19 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,680 London is levitating on a sea of dirty money. 20 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:58,800 If you deal with somebody 21 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,840 who has a very suspicious track record, 22 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,040 someday it will come back to haunt you. 23 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,760 You received a call the night before Berezovsky was found dead, 24 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,360 and someone on the call said 25 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,600 Berezovsky was being "dealt with." 26 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:33,560 I can't remember his surname now, actually, 27 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,600 but he said that Boris Berezovsky 28 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:39,040 would be found in a body bag. 29 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,920 And, actually, Boris Berezovsky was found in a body bag, 30 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,720 I think, within a day or two after that. 31 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,200 Why would they call you? 32 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,960 Why? Because I'm the greatest canary singing in the cage. 33 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,800 They know that it's gonna probably go to the media, 34 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,280 which it did. 35 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,200 If you've got a master plan 36 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,840 and you know someone's using the media, quite rightly so, 37 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,320 in the public's interest to tell the truth, 38 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,240 you're going to make phone calls like that. 39 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,040 That's why we're having this conversation 40 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:09,720 so that this conversation will come out. 41 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:12,240 5D chess. 42 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:19,760 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 43 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,360 YULI DUBOV: In the middle of the day, I got a phone call 44 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,560 from Boris's assistant, who was with Boris most of the time. 45 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,600 And he told me that Boris died. 46 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,480 I got to Ascot, 47 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,320 the police came there maybe 10 minutes before us. 48 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,160 I wasn't admitted to the house. 49 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,080 So we spent all the night outdoors. 50 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,520 It was... end of an era. 51 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,440 A very significant 52 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,960 and very important part of my life 53 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,080 died with him. 54 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,560 Boris Berezovsky was found dead 55 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,520 at his former wife's home. 56 00:04:20,840 --> 00:04:24,200 He was found hanged from the shower rail 57 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:25,920 in the bathroom of the family home. 58 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,920 He had one single bodyguard, 59 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,600 and that man had gone out to do some errands. 60 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,920 And during that window when Berezovsky was unprotected, 61 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,000 he was hanged from the shower rail. 62 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,040 When his bodyguard found him, 63 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,560 he appeared to have been suspended 64 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,320 from the rail by a scarf. 65 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,520 The scarf had torn in two and Berezovsky's body 66 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,000 was slumped on the bathroom floor. 67 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,040 The police attended the scene and later concluded 68 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,320 that this was a suicide. 69 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,680 Berezovsky had a broken rib, 70 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,200 a blunt force injury on his head. 71 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,040 There was an unidentified fingerprint on the shower rail. 72 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,960 Scotland Yard was very well aware 73 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,800 that Berezovsky was under threat. 74 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,560 The authorities in Britain knew that he was a target. 75 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,640 One. One, two, three, four. 76 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,440 You have the voice alright? 77 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,720 With Berezovsky case, there are two statements: 78 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,880 one statement by the British police, 79 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,000 they're saying that he hung himself; 80 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,480 another statement comes from the leading 81 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,120 international expert on such cases, 82 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,760 whose name is Professor Brinkmann 83 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,240 from Hamburg, Germany. 84 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,720 On the request of Berezovsky family, 85 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,720 Professor Brinkmann made an investigation himself, 86 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,640 a medical investigation. 87 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,280 His conclusion was it was murder. 88 00:05:58,280 --> 00:05:59,720 When somebody is hanged, 89 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,720 the ligature tends to form a V-shaped mark. 90 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,640 But the strangulation marks on his neck 91 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,520 were inconsistent with hanging. 92 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:19,320 They were more consistent with manual strangulation. 93 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,800 The Berezovsky family pathologist said 94 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:27,680 this is clearly an assassination and not a suicide. 95 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,040 This conclusion was given to the coroner, 96 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,200 coroner said this is a leading international expert. 97 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,080 His reasons are obvious and clear, 98 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,400 and therefore I cannot make a verdict. 99 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,160 It is impossible to say whether he committed suicide 100 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,800 or whether he was murdered. 101 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,880 This story, unless you knew about it, 102 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,760 you'd think it's total lies, wouldn't you? 103 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,000 All of a sudden he disappeared, just disappeared. 104 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,920 He didn't tell me he disappeared. 105 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,160 I rung his accountants and said, "Where's Scot?" 106 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,080 He said "He's gone, he's skint, and he's left the country." 107 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,760 DIRECTOR: Did he tell you how he lost all his money? 108 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,360 Yeah, he said it was something to do with Russia. 109 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,880 Project Ru... Project Moscow or something. 110 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Apparently, it was a massive, massive deal, 111 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,720 it was to do with Boris, and it just went wrong overnight. 112 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,840 He left the country and disappeared. 113 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,040 He rung me and he said he's lost all his money, 114 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,320 and then he, um... said he's coming back. 115 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,360 And I met him in the hotel in Marble Arch. 116 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:05,920 He was very nervous. 117 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,360 Just a different person. 118 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,360 He would smoke 100 cigarettes a day. 119 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,200 It was unbelievable. 120 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,480 There was this moment where the sky seemed to fall in for Scot 121 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,520 and he went from having hundreds of millions of pounds at his disposal 122 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,520 to suddenly being destitute. 123 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,600 JIMMY: He couldn't even buy a drink. 124 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,600 He used to meet me in this pub in Ealing, my friends were there. 125 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,840 All my friends knew him. 126 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,680 No one could believe the way he looked. 127 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:37,040 He was actually... you know, it was bad, very, very bad. 128 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,360 STEPHEN KAY: He looked dreadful, absolutely dreadful. 129 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,280 There was, normally, we always had a little joke about something. 130 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,200 He was in a bad state. 131 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,560 He certainly was nowhere near his old self. 132 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,040 (BIRDS CHIRPING AND CAWING) 133 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,320 It was the 10th of December, I'd just put up my Christmas tree, 134 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:12,280 and I had a phone call from the media 135 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,920 to say that, "Have you heard the news?" 136 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,360 And I said, "What news?" They said, "Scot... 137 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,040 Scot Young's been found dead." 138 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,240 So I said, "Please don't call me, 139 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,800 telling me things like that, you know?" 140 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,680 So they said, "We'll call you back within a couple of hours once we've had it confirmed." 141 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,680 And they called me back to say that Scot had been found dead. 142 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,920 And my daughters were out at the time, 143 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:40,240 and so I wanted to tell them when they came home. 144 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,000 But the media, there was lots of media outside the apartment, 145 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,720 so they got to hear before I had a chance to tell them. 146 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,160 So I just found it appalling that, you know, 147 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,080 he'd been found dead on the 8th of December 148 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,360 and we didn't hear about this till the 10th, two days later. 149 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,920 By the media. 150 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:01,720 SCARLET YOUNG: Just let him know the truth, 151 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,800 that there are other options. 152 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,560 When his daughters first heard that their father had died, 153 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,720 they just didn't believe that. 154 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,320 They didn't accept that he had died. 155 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,560 They knew that he had checked himself into a psychiatric unit, 156 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,000 so their first move was to make their way down 157 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,600 to the psychiatric hospital and to ask to see their dad, 158 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:26,840 but when they got there they learned that he had checked himself out. 159 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,520 And so, you know, they naturally assumed that 160 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:35,760 what he had always predicted had come to pass, he had been murdered. 161 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,040 His funeral was the worst day of my life. 162 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,560 Terrible. 163 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,000 I had to escort the two beautiful young girls. 164 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,480 They'd just lost their dad who they loved dearly. 165 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:55,840 It's just too sad. 166 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,160 (BIRDS CAWING) 167 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,760 At Scot's funeral, Sasha and Scarlet were approached 168 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,120 by somebody they didn't know, who told them 169 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,920 to stop asking questions about how their dad had died and just let sleeping dogs lie. 170 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,760 That was somebody who had some interest 171 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,800 in making sure that the matter was laid at rest 172 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,000 and that no one went digging around 173 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,560 behind the circumstances of Scot's death. 174 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,240 This person didn't want anyone causing any further trouble. 175 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,040 After Scot's death, 176 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,080 Scot's daughters were completely unwilling 177 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,800 to accept that their father had killed himself. 178 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,760 They gained admission to the flat to investigate, 179 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,760 and they uncovered something which the police had completely missed. 180 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,400 When they leaned out of the window and they took a look down, 181 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:00,160 they noticed on the window ledge rows of scratches, 182 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,000 almost as if the fingernails of two hands 183 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,280 had been fighting to stay inside the window. 184 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,680 In the UK, any time anybody dies 185 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,320 of really anything other than natural causes, 186 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,560 we hold an inquest into that person's death. 187 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,920 Of all of my memories of working on this story, 188 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,800 the thing that has always stuck with me 189 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,320 is going to Scot's inquest. 190 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,240 Around me are Scot's daughters, 191 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,360 the two of them there together, looking after each other. 192 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,960 There was testimony from them saying, "We spoke to him, 193 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,880 he was talking about the future, he didn't sound depressed." 194 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:58,080 Scot, he's being watched by the FSB. 195 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,040 He was Boris Berezovsky's facilitator. 196 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,920 If somebody like that dies in any circumstance, 197 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,560 you'd imagine there'd be some alarm bell rung that said, "Hey, 198 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,440 we should probably have a look at this." 199 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,320 They said to the policeman, "What did you do?" 200 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,400 "Ah, no, it just looked like a suicide." 201 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,920 Window, person, suicide. 202 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,120 The police at the very least ought to have dusted for fingerprints 203 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,280 before they concluded that this was a suicide. 204 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,280 Clearly, in the absence of any evidence 205 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,200 gathered by the police of foul play, 206 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,560 the coroner couldn't make an unlawful killing verdict. 207 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,720 There wasn't the evidence available. 208 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,560 The inquest returned an open verdict. 209 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,040 But when it reaches that point of, like, 210 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,800 you know, kind of traditional enquiry, 211 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,880 the coroner was like, well, its complex. 212 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,200 She didn't sit there and say this is suicide, yes, 213 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,080 or no, this is something else. 214 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,160 She was like, there's ambiguity here. 215 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,520 This is not simple, you know. 216 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:53,880 Even in a coroner's court, 217 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,080 where you think things would just be resolved, 218 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,160 there was no clear and apparent resolution. 219 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,720 There are so many questions left unanswered. 220 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,720 We are still left with the question of why 221 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,600 and what really happened. 222 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,560 We went out to recreate an investigation, 223 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,000 and we were like, "What would you look at? 224 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,560 The motives, the circumstances, the reasons around why this happened?" 225 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,600 We were looking into the death of Scot Young and Boris Berezovsky. 226 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,840 We knew they were friends and dining companions. 227 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,600 They were part of a group of friends 228 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,640 who all dined together regularly. 229 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,320 There was a man called Paul Castle 230 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:40,680 and a man called Robbie Curtis, 231 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,640 who had been part of that group, 232 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,720 all of whom had had died in fairly suspicious circumstances. 233 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,600 Two of whom had fallen under London tube trains 234 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,160 and one of whom had rolled off the top of a tall building, 235 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,200 all within a few years of each other. 236 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,120 And then as we looked more into Boris Berezovsky, 237 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,240 we found more and more evidence 238 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,640 that people who had been closely connected with him 239 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,360 had also died in similarly grisly ways. 240 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,440 From Alexander Litvinenko to Badri Patarkatsishvili. 241 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,840 You know, we began to pull one thread, 242 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,120 then discovered here's one, then here's another connected to that. 243 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,560 There were the two lawyers linked to Scot Young and Berezovsky. 244 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,440 Stephen Curtis died after his helicopter crashed. 245 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,040 REPORTER: He told his uncle a fortnight before he died, 246 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,280 "If anything happens to me in the next two weeks, 247 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,680 it won't be an accident." 248 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,520 Stephen Moss, Curtis's partner in many of the deals that he was doing 249 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,320 on behalf of Boris and Badri, 250 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,880 had died 6 months before of a sudden heart attack. 251 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,440 (LONG BEEP) 252 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,160 We kept on turning new stones 253 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,800 and discovering that here's another individual 254 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,840 who is connected to the circumstances that we're looking at, 255 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,400 or this other person who we know died suspiciously. 256 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,040 Gareth Williams was apparently investigating 257 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,400 Russian money laundering networks. 258 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,200 Gareth's body had been placed inside a sports bag, 259 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,440 which itself had been placed inside the bathtub. 260 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,560 POLICE OFFICER: Gareth got himself into that bag 261 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,840 and once in that bag, he died. 262 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,360 Oh! This is completely insane. 263 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,480 Yuri Golubev, the co-founder of an oil giant in Russia, 264 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,520 also died of a sudden heart attack. 265 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,840 A Russian diplomat, Igor Ponomarev, 266 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,800 collapsed after the opera in London. 267 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,840 (SINGING HIGH NOTES) 268 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,920 It just kind of grew bigger and bigger. 269 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,520 It was a chilling story to work on, really, from the beginning, 270 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,080 but it got more so with every new discovery. 271 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,520 REPORTER: Wealthy Russian exile and whistle-blower 272 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,760 Alexander Perepilichnyy dropped dead while jogging... 273 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,640 in the latest Kremlin crime scene. 274 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,680 British police ruled out foul play. 275 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,080 Possibly the most outlandish case we investigated 276 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,960 was the case of a scientist... 277 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,760 Who was part of the team 278 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,520 which discovered the poison in Alexander Litvinenko's system. 279 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,600 He died of a suicide despite being... 280 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,200 Stabbed to death repeatedly with two separate knives. 281 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,560 This is crazy. Like, this is crazy. 282 00:17:16,360 --> 00:17:18,280 We began to map out the connections 283 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,160 between these individuals and the Kremlin 284 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,040 and the FSB and Russian organized crime. 285 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,240 And, ultimately, we were able to put 14 names on our list. 286 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,120 We had spent two years investigating all of these deaths 287 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,200 and we had scattergun evidence 288 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,080 in that we were kind of gathering it 289 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:48,600 from all these different sources 290 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,920 with different levels of reliability. 291 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,080 But the common theme that we had found 292 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:56,680 was Russia. 293 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,920 We'd mapped out the connections between these 14 individuals. 294 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:02,320 We'd found all of their connections to Russia. 295 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:04,040 Some of them had angered the Kremlin. 296 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,760 Some of them had been living in fear of their lives. 297 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,800 This was a story that absolutely had to be told. 298 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:16,120 We wanted to publish the story, but we needed more proof. 299 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,840 You know, we needed to try and get 300 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,640 some kind of official perspective on all of this, 301 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,040 but we couldn't get anyone in authority in Britain 302 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,040 or within the police to talk to us about this. 303 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,040 They were a really, really closed book, 304 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,680 and we needed some sense of, 305 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,000 what do the intelligence community believe? 306 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,680 And that was where Jason Leopold came in. 307 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,040 Jason Leopold is a legendary reporter in the US. 308 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,120 He has developed a reputation as a FOIA terrorist. 309 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,560 JASON LEOPOLD: They said that we'll give you some documents 310 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:54,320 as long as you promise to never file a FOIA request again. 311 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:58,400 And I had never really went through any kind of program 312 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,920 to train to become an investigative journalist, 313 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,320 it was just a curiosity I had. 314 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:06,440 I'm obsessed with documents, 315 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,520 spies and uncovering secrets. 316 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,600 He has an incredible track record of forcing the US government 317 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,160 to disclose all kinds of compromising records. 318 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,360 JASON: Whether it's someone at CIA, FBI, 319 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,400 the Department of Defence, the NSA, 320 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,080 I don't necessarily just believe 321 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:25,520 every single thing that they're saying. 322 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:32,480 I have to go further to verify and confirm those details. 323 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,800 When Heidi told me about 324 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,000 what her team was investigating, 325 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,560 I knew I could help out. 326 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:49,040 I so aggressively pursue documents, 327 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,840 I want to have the evidence. 328 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,080 I'm dealing with information that government agencies claim 329 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:57,840 will threaten national security if I reveal it. 330 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,720 So at that point, what I could offer was 331 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,840 whether or not the US was keeping tabs on this. 332 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,040 If this really is part of an assassination program, 333 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,160 the US intelligence agencies would know about it. 334 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,520 Essentially, what you're trying to do is find people, 335 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,520 find people who would be willing to speak. 336 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,600 Find people who may be inclined 337 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,600 to disclose classified information. 338 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,000 Whenever I contacted intelligence officials, 339 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,880 any meeting we had or any time we tried to set up a meeting, 340 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,320 I was constantly traveling back and forth to Washington DC. 341 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:38,920 Having meetings late at night, in parks. 342 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,480 Trying to find out who knew what and when. 343 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,040 But I do remember the... 344 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,680 the, you know, the "Holy shit, we got it." 345 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,720 JANE BRADLEY: It was just a normal day at the office, 346 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,520 Heidi was having a meeting, 347 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,480 and then suddenly 348 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,040 Jason Leopold sent us this message... 349 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,840 and my jaw just kind of hit the floor. 350 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,240 And I just remember Tom 351 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,280 sort of waving frantically at Heidi when she was on the phone. 352 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,520 And I kind of shouted out across the newsroom to Heidi, 353 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,400 "Have you seen Jason's message?" 354 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,040 JASON: I became aware that 355 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,400 the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, 356 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,080 which oversees the intelligence community, 357 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:33,880 had prepared a report about the use of political assassinations 358 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,640 as a form of statecraft by the Russian Federation. 359 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,480 What we found was a list of people 360 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,520 whose deaths were considered to be assassinations. 361 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,840 RICHARD HOLMES: We now had confirmation 362 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,480 that every single name on our list 363 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,600 was a suspected Russian hit. 364 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,200 Every name is on that list! 365 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,640 All 14 of those individuals were listed in the US report 366 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,880 on suspected assassinations in the UK. 367 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:08,320 The US authorities had warned Britain's foreign intelligence service to take action 368 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:10,800 to try to stop Russia conducting 369 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,200 such bold and aggressive manoeuvres in the United Kingdom. 370 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,960 I recall finding out that there was a name on this list, 371 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,120 a person: Perepilichnyy. 372 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,600 JANE BRADLEY: This Russian financier, who blew the whistle 373 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,680 on this huge fraud that was linked to Kremlin officials. 374 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,280 And then one day, 375 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,560 Perepilichnyy is going for a jog. 376 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:59,160 (BREATHING HEAVILY) 377 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,200 (COUGHING) 378 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,840 Look, 44-year-old guys 379 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,000 do occasionally drop dead while jogging, 380 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,360 but we have so many dead people, 381 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,760 anybody who comes too close gets... 382 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,520 Lots of people get killed, but... 383 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,960 We... You know, we didn't... 384 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,160 I mean, ultimately, he asked me to do something 385 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,680 that I did that got him killed. 386 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,160 AccessibleCustomerService@sky.uk 30122

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