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JUDI: Hello, Joan.
- JOAN: Hello, darling.
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Do you want me to sit here?
- MAN: Yes, please.
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INDISTINCT CHATTER
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God almighty, leave me alone!
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Would you mind taking
a little step to your left...?
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To my left?
- To you left.
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I'm Mark, pleased to meet you
- Hello.
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I think we'd better do it
because we're taking root.
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MARK: And then we're gonna do some
where you're sort of...
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JOAN:
Yes, we look awfully hot.
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EILEEN:
Oh that's an awful angle, Mark.
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It really is.
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It's not fair to old ladies
- THEY LAUGH
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MARK: You look wonderful.
- JOAN: No, why are you doing this?
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EILEEN:
Why are you doing that?
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You've got to start somewhere.
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Is it your first day?
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You've never done it before?
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I don't think so, so give him a break.
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Look, see how Jude does it?
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Mum?
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MAGGIE: So beautifully
- JUDI: I do that or that.
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EILEEN:
You're not my friend, Mark.
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I'm never going to a speak to you again
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I never want to see you again.
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Oh no don't be grumpy
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THEY LAUGH
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MAGGIE:
She's not being grumpy, she's being starry.
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Are we ready to go?
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I think we've been
- We've been.
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CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS
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MAN:
Scene, mark.
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Now, if anybody wants
to lie down, ladies.
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I'm here, darling
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How far away?
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Not far away
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Round the corner?
- Just round the corner.
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Alright
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INTERVIEWER: I want to start with when
you first set eyes upon each other.
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Judi, can we start with you?
- Oh, God.
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Yes but... has anyone got a memory?
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Let alone... oh, God.
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Well, I think I met you, Mags
in about 1958.
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I think so.
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And we did The Double-Dealer
and we went to the Edinburgh to the festival
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and got pursued by Miles Malleson.
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MAGGIE:
Did we do that in Edinburgh?
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Yeah, we did it at the festival
don't you remember?
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No.
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Yes, you and I had to hide.
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It's gone, it's gone.
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JUDI: We had to hide between
the two shows because of Miles Malleson.
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MAGGIE:
I didn't know we were in Edinburgh.
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Were we good?
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No, I don't think we were.
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Too long ago
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JOAN: I remember you saying, Mags,
that you'd been discovered and rediscovered.
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Yeah, I'm still hanging in for that
- THEY LAUGH
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INTERVIEWER: Who saw Share My Lasses
Joan did you see
Share My Lasses?
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Well yes, you weren't listening
and I've just told you.
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THEY LAUGH
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I was feeling depressed at the time
and friends said
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'Oh we'll take you out to somewhere
that'll cheer you up madly.
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It's Kenneth Williams, he's very funny
as you know, and there's this new girl
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Don't.
- And that was the new girl.
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Would you say Kenneth
had been quite a big influence on you?
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An enormous influence.
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I mean, I pinch from him all the time.
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Can you give us some examples?
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Well, in
Black Comedy, I'm doing a
complete Kenneth, I mean it's outrageous.
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He hasn't seen it, he'd be livid.
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You know, that awful Mrs Punnett who keeps
whistling like that, you know, it's pure Ken.
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KEN:
Settle down.
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INTERVIEWER:
Eileen, tell us a bit about Baby Eileen?
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A gypsy told my mother
I was going to be a dancer
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and she kept sending me
to dancing lessons
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and I kept screaming and wanting
to come home again from the age of three.
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And finally at five, I seemed stuck there.
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And that particular dancing school
was called The KY School
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and we had it on all our clothes... KY
- MAGGIE: Gracious.
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My brother played the drums there
and his drums had KY on it.
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We never knew why people laughed
slightly or looked the other way.
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That's sad.
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And I danced in working men's clubs
I mean, two or three times a week
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until my grammar school said
She falls asleep in school all the tlme '
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Cause you were up all night
doing these things?
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Yes,yes
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EILEEN:
Well, it was paedophilia land really.
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We were little girls up there.
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Then what, did you decide just that
you didn't want to do it anymore?
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I did my first play when I was ten
and kept telling my mum
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from then on, that I didn't want to dance
I was going to do this other thing.
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We all just thought we were
going to be stage actresses.
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MAGGIE: Yes.
- EILEEN: Yeah.
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JOAN:
Did you start off with light and make-up?
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MAGGIE AND JUDI
Yes, five and nine.
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Five and nine was the men's make up.
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No, I wore Dark Egyptian in one thing.
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Peter Pan
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Five and nine was really the men's
make-up, wasn't it?
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JOAN: But you added a bit of three
or two and a half to it if you're a girl.
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And a big red spot in the corner
of your eyes.
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EILEEN: Absolutely
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Oh, yes, red spots in the eye
- Big red spot.
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Crimson Lake if you were being aged.
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JUDI:
Yes, lines of Crimson Lake.
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People coming out of drama schools years ago
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wanted to go to Bristol Old Vic
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or Oxford or somewhere
there's a really good rep.
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JUDI: There was a thing wasn't there
where you went to reps
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and you stayed in digs and things
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that if the landlady wasn't very nice
or didn't do something
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you used to nail a Kipper
under the table before you left.
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EILEEN:
That's true
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Tim West went home one night
to a darkened house
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letting himself in the back
into the kitchen
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and the landlady
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was having sex with a man on the table.
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And she was right out lying
and as he opened the door, she saw him
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and she said 'Oh, Mr West,
you must think I'm such a flirt
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On the table?
- On the table.
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Unaware there was a Kipper
attached to it.
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The Kipper!
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How ghastly
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Let's go through here!
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JUDI:
I went straight from the Vic
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to do
The Cherry Orchard
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which was with...
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MAGGIE: Oh, that was an amazing cast
- JUDI: ...Michel Saint-Denis and Peggy.
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And Sir John.
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EILEEN: Who was the director?
- JOAN: Michel Saint-Denis was it?
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JUDI:
And he was really, really unkind.
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He used to come to the end of Act One
and then he'd give notes
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and he'd give a note here and he'd give
a note there and he'd give a note there.
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And he'd get to me, he'd go
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JOAN:
Oh, horrible.
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And Peggy, I remember, said to me
To think I nearly married that man' she said.
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And then she said,
Never ever let him see you cry.
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Never let him see you cry
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And then one day we got
to the end of Act One
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and he used to give the notes then
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and Sir John said 'Well if you'd been doing
that for me, I'd be delighted,' he said.
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And it changed absolutely
everything for me.
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It just... entirely changed my life
really as far as, you know
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the fear of directors,
because the more you get frightened
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you know, and somebody goes like that
the less you can do.
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You can't mend it.
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Goodnight, Uncle.
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God bless you, little Anya
Mmm.
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I was at the Old Vic theatre school,
run by Judi's friend Michel Saint-Denis.
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JUIDXI:
pa.
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And George Devine
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And it was George who asked me
to join the company for...
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well, it was called
the English Stage Company
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but it just became known
as the Royal Court.
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Michel Saint-Denis had been told
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that they were asking me to join the company
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and Michel had said...
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'She can't play queens, you know '
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And George had said
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'I should think the last thing we want
in a theatre for contemporary writers
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is girls born to play queens
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THEY LAUGH
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THUNDER CLAPS
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MAN:
Stop there.
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INDISTINCT CHATTER
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JOAN:
I thought we were going to sing.
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It's very wet.
- Oh, well. Yes.
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THUNDER RUMBLES
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CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS
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MAGGIE:
Shall we sit under the table?
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# Timothy's under the table
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# Be careful what you say
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# Timothy's under the table
so look the other way
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# You can tickle and squeeze
as much as you please
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# But don't you go too far
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# Because Timothy's under the table
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# And he's bound to tell his ma
#
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Why eke II remember mew
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JUDI:
What is that?
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MAGGIE: It's the musical we were in
Hark Hark
the Fart.
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JUDI: Listen to the W/no'...
it's called Listen to the Wind.
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It's a terrible title.
- It is a terrible title.
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That's what Ronnie called it
is Hark Hark the Fart.
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MUSIC:
Timothy's Under The Table
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I forget.
Why did we start on that?
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INTERVIEWER
Cleopatra...
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Maggie, talk to us a bit about...
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I'm not going to talk about Cleopatra.
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JOAN
Right.
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INTERVIEWER
Judi, you start.
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You
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Uh-uh.
- Why?
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Nobody...
SHE LAUGHS
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I'm in the clear with this one.
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SHE GASPS
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You bang on.
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What do you mean, you're in the clear?
- You talk about Cleopatra?
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I've turned it down four times because
I thought I wasn't good looking enough.
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That's the end of my story of Cleopatra
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What are we meant to say about that?
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WNW
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What are we meant to say to that?
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You're meant to say...
- 'Oh, Eileen, how stupid of you
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What a fool.' No.
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Not good looking, that's a silly word
I don't know.
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No, I didn't have the courage.
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There you are,
I didn't have the courage.
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No, neither did I, that's why I did it
in Canada.
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JUDI: At least you did it though
- EILEEN: But you did it.
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Yes, I didn't have the courage,
I was asked by Jonathan Miller to do it
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I just said I couldn't possibly
do it at the National
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because in my own mind
I wouldn't be first choice.
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Half of them will say, 'Oh my God,
you know, she shouldn't be playing Cleopatra
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Cleopatra's supposed to be a great beauty '
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So that's the first stumbling block
isn't it?
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But you said a marvellous thing, Judi
when you were asked to do Cleopatra...
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Do you really want... now you go on with it.
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What? I can't remember.
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I just remember people laughing openly
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I prefer what you said.
When I said I was going to play it
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and it was announced,
people laughed openly at me
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But you said to Peter Hall,
was it, that was in charge?
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'Do you really want...'
Do you want me to say it?
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JUDI:
Yes, I do. 'Menopausal dwarf
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That's it. It's very funny.
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Are you sure you want a menopausal dwarf
to play this part?' It's true.
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Absolutely true
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MAGGIE: That's what she was
- That's what she was, quite.
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It's the way I played it
- MAGGIE: It's true.
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Where is the fellow?
- Half are feared to come.
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Go to, go to
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Come hither, sir.
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Good majesty, Herod of Jewry
dare not look upon you
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but when you are well pleased.
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That Herod's head I'll have.
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But how when Anthony is gone,
through whom I might command it?
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They assume, well, I'm talking about critics
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that we all think we're the king's knees,
the bee's knees
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and will take on these parts.
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They don't realise
that we're shaking inside, right?
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That's absolutely true
because that's two of us
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didn't have any courage at all
and not do it.
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There's Maggie nervously doing it
in another country
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gm mu mmgny M ma.
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JUDI: And Tony Hopkins, on the top
of the monument, he used to say
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'I'm going now for a nice lie down
while you do Act Five'
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THEY LAUGH
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And that is what he said.
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But there's a lot of rest
before Act Five.
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There's a bit of rest in there with Pompey
and all that lot.
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It's long enough to lose the thread.
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We used to be up in that Monument,
when you're up there for a long time
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and Miranda Foster
and Helen Fitzgerald used to say to me
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What would you really like to eat now?'
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And I used to say 'What I'd like now
is a glass of champagne and a lobster salad
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And on the last, the very last night
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we were in the Monument
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and they said 'What would you like?'
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I said 'Oh, lobster salad and '
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And they went, 'dink' with the light
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and there it was
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And we had it.
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I found it very difficult to say
'To the Monument'
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cause it's like a tube station, isn't it?
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I think I wasn't good at that.
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'To the Monument' I thought
no, I'm sorry
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I'd rather not say that.
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But wasn't it Mags,
darling Mags Tyzack said
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she couldn't get her head round
having to say, 'I am for Argos.'
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THEY LAUGH
- MAGGIE: What was she doing?
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Am Wm
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You can't, can you?
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It's ridiculous.
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I've never not known
an Antony complain
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because I think they find out that
really it's Cleopatra's evening
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rather more than Antony's.
278
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I think Cleopatra is a better part
than Antony.
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And I think the men never know
until they're in the middle of doing it.
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MAGGIE
Oh, I see.
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EILEEN:
I know Alan Bates told me that.
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He said, 'Halfway through, I realised '
283
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MAGGIE: That's because he wanted
to play Cleopatra.
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EILEEN: There is something
of that in it, absolutely.
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Can't win.
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INTERVIEWER:
Talk a bit more about fright, if you will.
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On the way to the theatre
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I always think...
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Would you like to be run over now
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or in a massive car accident?'
291
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And I only just about come out
on the side of no.
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Or sometimes, I know occasions
where it could have turned to yes.
293
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I remember being in The Importance
and playing Cecily
294
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and I had a little speech which was
295
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It is always painful to part from people
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whom one has known
for a very brief space of time
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The absence of old friends
one can endure with equanimity
298
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but even a momentary separation
from one to whom
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one has just been introduced
is almost unbearable.'
300
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And I could not remember it.
301
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Well, you do now.
- I couldn't remember it at all.
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On the first night I just got it out
and Alec McCowen after it went, 'Pop!
303
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So I said to him, 'That's no help Alec '
304
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He said 'There was a passing fly '
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That's so mean
306
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And why should I remember that now?
307
00:16:06,594 --> 00:16:09,061
Because you spent a very long time
trying to learn it.
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Trying to learn it.
309
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That's all I can remember
are things like that.
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INTERVIEWER:
Can you talk a bit about naturalism?
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When you started out were people
much bigger in their performances?
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Well, I thought I'd done a very
naturalistic performance
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in The Duchess of A/Ia/f/on television
and then a couple of years ago
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I was at the Globe and they were doing
the doing The
Duchess of Ma/fi
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in one of the other theatres
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and one of the cast came up
to me and said
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'Yes, we've watched your
old television of Ma/fi.
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Well, of course that was alright in your day
but we're going to do it naturally.'
319
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Why should only I,
of all the other princes in the world
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be cased up like a holy relic?
321
00:16:57,651 --> 00:16:59,073
I have youth and a little beauty.
322
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So you have some virgins that are witches.
323
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It's a different form of naturalism
each time, isn't it?
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I mean, each generation thinks they've found
the natural way to do something.
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No, be assured you shall not find me daughter
after the slander of most stepmothers
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evil-eyed unto you
327
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You are my prisoner but you're...
328
00:17:23,866 --> 00:17:27,827
ah, yes, you are my prisoner
but your jailer shall deliver you
329
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the keys that lock up your restraint.
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MAN:
Oh, you've done it.
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You've done it. That was perfect.
332
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That was absolutely perfect.
333
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That will never happen again.
334
00:17:36,495 --> 00:17:38,464
MAN:
No, it will, darling, it will.
335
00:17:38,996 --> 00:17:43,584
It's always very difficult for me to hear
Shakespeare
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being done in a natural way
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with pauses anywhere they like
and, 'Uh, uh, uh.'
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“Um...”
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Because they think it gives
the impression that they're thinking of it
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absolutely of the moment.
341
00:18:04,961 --> 00:18:08,968
But I mean, you know, Shakespeare is poetry
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and it does have a rhythm and it does...
343
00:18:12,297 --> 00:18:16,803
And there is a way of using the poetry
and being naturalistic.
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And that's seems to me,
if it's done and things are changed
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and it's broken up, it seems to me to be
losing entirely out on the other side of it.
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Y. MW-
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The quality of mercy is not strained.
348
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It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
upon the place beneath.
349
00:18:41,846 --> 00:18:43,399
It is twice blessed.
350
00:18:44,598 --> 00:18:47,099
It blesseth him that gives
and him that takes.
351
00:18:47,848 --> 00:18:52,566
It's like you bring it down to you
and your size
352
00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,189
instead of reaching up
353
00:18:55,434 --> 00:18:57,603
to something that's a bit...
354
00:18:58,017 --> 00:19:03,483
Well, I think it would look pretty rum
if we all did it as they did it way back.
355
00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,939
Pre Laurence I talk about.
356
00:19:06,436 --> 00:19:08,488
I mean, it would look a bit quaint
wouldn't it?
357
00:19:09,438 --> 00:19:11,572
You have to move with the times
358
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JOAN: That would seem
to us like hollow booming.
359
00:19:14,940 --> 00:19:18,614
Yes, I think it does frequently sound
like that now.
360
00:19:19,565 --> 00:19:22,613
But there's a... middle ground
361
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JOAN:
There is a middle ground.
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THUNDER CLAPS
363
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Why art thou here
364
00:19:28,443 --> 00:19:30,447
come from the farthest steppe of India
365
00:19:30,486 --> 00:19:32,821
but that forsooth, the bouncing Amazon
366
00:19:32,861 --> 00:19:35,956
your buskined mistress and your warrior love
367
00:19:35,987 --> 00:19:37,706
to Theseus must be wedded
368
00:19:37,738 --> 00:19:40,583
and you come to give their bed
joy and prosperity.
369
00:19:44,948 --> 00:19:50,995
JOAN: It had been announced that Larry
was to be director of the National Theatre.
370
00:19:51,034 --> 00:19:52,753
That had been approved.
371
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EILEEN:
I can remember
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I had the feeling of going almost every week.
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So it was very exciting for other actors
in the profession
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00:20:00,244 --> 00:20:02,379
as well as those of you in the company.
375
00:20:03,537 --> 00:20:07,461
Yes, and Maggie, I mean, you moved in there
376
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,380
despite your nervousness about critics.
377
00:20:10,414 --> 00:20:11,885
V, H M.
378
00:20:11,915 --> 00:20:17,628
Well, I think I was more nervous
of Laurence than the critics.
379
00:20:17,666 --> 00:20:18,922
WNW
380
00:20:18,957 --> 00:20:22,135
I was more nervous of your husband
than the critics.
381
00:20:25,460 --> 00:20:27,012
I must admit.
382
00:20:28,753 --> 00:20:30,388
Well, I don't think...
383
00:20:30,419 --> 00:20:31,972
As indeed everybody was, Joan.
384
00:20:32,004 --> 00:20:34,967
I don't think you ever showed it
- No, everybody was.
385
00:20:35,587 --> 00:20:37,223
We were terrified.
386
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,350
And your name, my dear?
387
00:20:40,297 --> 00:20:43,261
Wilful, Jack Wilful, at your service.
388
00:20:43,299 --> 00:20:46,392
What, the Kentish Wilfuls
or those of Staffordshire?
389
00:20:46,423 --> 00:20:48,843
Eh Mm. fir, mm.
390
00:20:48,883 --> 00:20:51,385
I'm related to all the Wilfuls in Europe
391
00:20:51,426 --> 00:20:53,475
and I'm head of the family at present.
392
00:20:53,509 --> 00:20:55,643
Do you live in this country, sir?
- I live where I stand.
393
00:20:55,676 --> 00:20:58,309
I have no house and I have no habitation
beyond this spot of ground.
394
00:20:58,344 --> 00:21:00,182
What are you, sir?
- A rake.
395
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AUDIENCE LAUGHS
396
00:21:02,512 --> 00:21:04,017
In the army, I presume?
397
00:21:04,053 --> 00:21:06,769
No, no but I intend to list
immediately.
398
00:21:08,138 --> 00:21:09,478
SHE WHISTLES
399
00:21:09,514 --> 00:21:11,601
MAGGIE:
No, he didn't scare me all the time.
400
00:21:11,639 --> 00:21:13,109
JOAN:
No, you scared him.
401
00:21:13,139 --> 00:21:16,151
I think I scared the wits out of him
from time to time.
402
00:21:16,974 --> 00:21:18,942
A merry war, let us say
403
00:21:18,974 --> 00:21:22,271
A merry war, because I know,
I remember you telling me
404
00:21:22,309 --> 00:21:25,819
that he'd come in and said
you were too slow and you.
405
00:21:25,852 --> 00:21:27,357
MAGGIE:
Bored him off the stage.
406
00:21:27,936 --> 00:21:30,402
Ah, no money and no luggage either.
407
00:21:30,895 --> 00:21:32,447
Not a thing in the world.
408
00:21:32,978 --> 00:21:35,611
What is more, I don't care.
409
00:21:35,980 --> 00:21:38,446
I'm here and I don't care.
410
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,571
I like you for that.
411
00:21:40,857 --> 00:21:42,610
Only for that?
- No.
412
00:21:43,147 --> 00:21:45,199
AUDIENCE LAUGHS
413
00:21:45,232 --> 00:21:46,441
Not only for that
414
00:21:47,983 --> 00:21:49,370
JOAN:
You went on the next night
415
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,783
and you went so fast
that he was befuddled.
416
00:21:51,817 --> 00:21:52,944
MAGGIE
I know.
417
00:21:52,985 --> 00:21:55,866
I went so fast, he didn't know whether
it was Wednesday or Christmas.
418
00:21:56,527 --> 00:22:00,036
He could have gone into F,'/'chard ///
without any trouble.
419
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,619
I'd got him really really rattled
420
00:22:02,821 --> 00:22:04,622
BELL TOLLS
421
00:22:06,946 --> 00:22:09,531
EILEEN: Didn't he tell you
that your vowels weren't right?
422
00:22:09,573 --> 00:22:12,998
Yes, he did but...
- And what did you say to him?
423
00:22:13,365 --> 00:22:15,998
I used to put his eyelashes on
424
00:22:16,658 --> 00:22:19,752
No, he did tell me my vowels
which they're still dodgy.
425
00:22:20,368 --> 00:22:22,038
Twill away again
426
00:22:23,285 --> 00:22:26,497
Let me but bind it hard,
within an hour it will be well.
427
00:22:26,536 --> 00:22:29,748
So I went in to help him
with the eyelashes
428
00:22:29,787 --> 00:22:35,418
and he was sitting there in all that gunge
and I said 'How now, brown cow?'
429
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,460
And all he said was...
That's better', he said.
430
00:22:39,497 --> 00:22:42,425
THEY LAUGH
431
00:22:43,999 --> 00:22:47,958
Anyway, he got very cross with me
because I wouldn't do
Skin of our Teeth.
432
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,127
Yes
433
00:22:50,208 --> 00:22:51,501
Yes
434
00:22:52,459 --> 00:22:54,131
'Out devil,' he says
435
00:22:55,419 --> 00:22:56,972
MAGGIE:
But he did knock me out.
436
00:22:57,544 --> 00:22:59,513
JOAN: Well, not quite
- MAGGIE: He did.
437
00:22:59,545 --> 00:23:01,714
Mad!
- Why, sweet Othello.
438
00:23:01,754 --> 00:23:04,007
Devil!
- SHE WHIMPERS
439
00:23:04,046 --> 00:23:05,338
MAGGIE:
He hit me.
440
00:23:06,005 --> 00:23:06,883
Whoosh!
441
00:23:07,923 --> 00:23:09,096
Out devil
442
00:23:09,589 --> 00:23:14,557
And I was left with some black marks
on my face.
443
00:23:16,342 --> 00:23:17,931
Oh, dear
444
00:23:17,967 --> 00:23:22,353
But I did say it was the only time
I saw stars at the National Theatre.
445
00:23:22,384 --> 00:23:24,186
THEY LAUGHS
446
00:23:24,761 --> 00:23:26,515
Those were the days, eh'?
447
00:23:26,553 --> 00:23:30,642
They also had the lights put up
a bit higher when he came on.
448
00:23:30,679 --> 00:23:31,935
When he came on, yes
449
00:23:31,970 --> 00:23:34,982
You could...
If you went like that, you got into it.
450
00:23:36,598 --> 00:23:37,889
But you had to...
451
00:23:40,098 --> 00:23:42,682
You had to make sure you could
get your head in.
452
00:23:42,724 --> 00:23:43,767
L&gQ[
453
00:23:44,266 --> 00:23:45,985
MAGGIE:
Darling Frank Finlay.
454
00:23:47,476 --> 00:23:52,477
He came off one night and he flew
to the prompt corner
455
00:23:52,518 --> 00:23:55,446
and he started tearing at his eyes.
456
00:23:57,228 --> 00:24:00,274
And I was so alarmed and I thought
'What's happened?'
457
00:24:00,312 --> 00:24:01,901
And he was wearing...
458
00:24:01,937 --> 00:24:04,570
he'd never worn them before
he had contact lenses.
459
00:24:04,605 --> 00:24:06,075
EILEEN
Oh, yes
460
00:24:06,106 --> 00:24:11,275
And he said 'I have just seen Sir Laurence
and I never want to see him again!'
461
00:24:12,691 --> 00:24:16,035
He couldn't get them out
MAGGIE LAUGHS
462
00:24:16,067 --> 00:24:17,737
Can you imagine?
463
00:24:17,775 --> 00:24:20,491
Because he couldn't see his hand
in front of him, could he, Frank?
464
00:24:22,443 --> 00:24:23,653
MAGGIE:
Poor man.
465
00:24:30,862 --> 00:24:33,115
EILEEN:
We're done, I think we're done, yeah.
466
00:24:35,114 --> 00:24:36,241
JOAN SIGHS
467
00:24:36,905 --> 00:24:39,039
The tunnel.
- The tunnel
468
00:24:57,661 --> 00:25:00,377
INDISTINCT CHATTER
469
00:25:05,206 --> 00:25:08,051
JOAN: We got the cottage
as a halfway house
470
00:25:08,748 --> 00:25:10,503
between Brighton and Chichester
471
00:25:10,540 --> 00:25:12,758
when Larry was running Chichester Theatre
472
00:25:13,625 --> 00:25:16,967
because getting out of Brighton
took such a long time in the summer
473
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,921
with all the crowds of visitors.
474
00:25:22,378 --> 00:25:27,297
And also, we needed some
country air and space.
475
00:25:28,753 --> 00:25:35,724
When we first came, there was just
the central part, little cottage
476
00:25:37,006 --> 00:25:42,720
still with a few Elizabethan stones
in the wall
477
00:25:43,050 --> 00:25:48,645
and the cottage was surrounded
by nettles
478
00:25:48,676 --> 00:25:53,182
just nettles all around this, and the field.
479
00:25:55,762 --> 00:25:57,646
Some of them shoulder high.
480
00:26:01,097 --> 00:26:04,806
OVERLAPPING CHATTER
481
00:26:16,268 --> 00:26:17,903
MAN:
Shall we take one on the ends?
482
00:26:25,395 --> 00:26:27,445
I like the way you consider
what was written on the cushion
483
00:26:27,479 --> 00:26:29,150
Well, yeah, because you
484
00:26:33,023 --> 00:26:34,693
I'm sure we look natural
485
00:26:35,772 --> 00:26:36,946
we?
486
00:26:38,273 --> 00:26:39,282
Oh, dear
487
00:26:44,067 --> 00:26:46,153
When have we ever sat like this?
488
00:26:46,526 --> 00:26:48,612
When have we ever sat like this?
489
00:26:49,444 --> 00:26:51,115
Not even in a play.
- INTERVIEWER: Is it too horrible?
490
00:26:51,152 --> 00:26:53,619
No, of course it's not. It's fine
- Well, it's a funny sort of...
491
00:26:53,652 --> 00:26:56,119
INTERVIEWER: It's a prop
- It's fine, it is. It's a prop.
492
00:26:57,779 --> 00:27:00,578
MAGGIE: I think it was pinched
from The
Three Sisters.
493
00:27:01,072 --> 00:27:02,790
INTERVIEWER:
It is from The Three
Sisters
494
00:27:02,821 --> 00:27:04,742
MAGGIE: From The Three Sisters, isn't it?
- Yeah.
495
00:27:06,573 --> 00:27:11,126
SHE SINGS IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE
496
00:27:11,992 --> 00:27:13,331
SHE SINGS IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE
497
00:27:14,617 --> 00:27:17,000
# Roll the keel, roll the keel
#
498
00:27:17,785 --> 00:27:19,290
# Roll the keel, roll the...#
499
00:27:19,327 --> 00:27:21,414
Look at them all looking bored over there.
500
00:27:22,161 --> 00:27:24,247
INTERVIEWER:
Are first days still scary?
501
00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:27,129
First days on film sets, or first days?
502
00:27:27,162 --> 00:27:29,498
All days, all days are scary.
- INTERVIEWER CHUCKLES
503
00:27:29,538 --> 00:27:31,506
Yes.
- No, that's true
504
00:27:31,538 --> 00:27:32,925
It is absolutely true.
505
00:27:32,955 --> 00:27:36,251
I don't know why people assume
that it is any other way.
506
00:27:37,082 --> 00:27:38,588
It's just...
507
00:27:41,666 --> 00:27:45,887
MAGGIE: It is scary and it is every day
on a film, isn't it?
508
00:27:46,501 --> 00:27:48,138
MAN 1:
Quiet. Let's shoot, please.
509
00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:51,214
Turn over.
- MAN 2: OK, action, everybody!
510
00:27:53,128 --> 00:27:55,510
JUDI: Certainly every day on a film set
because you haven't done it before.
511
00:27:55,545 --> 00:27:56,506
MAGGIE
I know.
512
00:27:56,546 --> 00:28:01,796
Filming is very scary because
there are so many people involved.
513
00:28:01,838 --> 00:28:07,719
But it's the... everybody kind of
waiting with bated breath.
514
00:28:08,340 --> 00:28:09,384
Mm.
515
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,056
How horrid.
516
00:28:13,175 --> 00:28:14,895
And who turns out to have done it?
517
00:28:14,925 --> 00:28:16,313
Oh, I couldn't tell you that.
518
00:28:16,343 --> 00:28:18,014
It would spoil it for you.
519
00:28:19,386 --> 00:28:21,638
Oh, but none of us will see it
- SHE CHUCKLES
520
00:28:21,677 --> 00:28:24,641
And if you get it wrong
there's a lot of silent...
521
00:28:25,138 --> 00:28:26,429
Looking.
522
00:28:26,471 --> 00:28:29,269
Looking at each other and the eyes roll
and there's a bit of...
523
00:28:29,305 --> 00:28:30,976
MAGGIE SIGHS
524
00:28:32,264 --> 00:28:33,734
Heavy breathing.
525
00:28:33,764 --> 00:28:35,850
Are we really going again?'
526
00:28:40,016 --> 00:28:42,518
MAGGIE:
I wasn't actually allowed to go to films.
527
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:44,111
They didn't approve
528
00:28:44,143 --> 00:28:45,981
I used to get claustrophobia.
529
00:28:46,019 --> 00:28:49,278
With that horrible smell and those carpets
that sank down.
530
00:28:49,311 --> 00:28:52,986
MAGGIE: I think I saw Hamlet
when I was at school.
531
00:28:53,937 --> 00:28:56,190
JUIDXI:
v. And Hwy
M
532
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:57,237
MAGGIE
Yes.
533
00:28:57,272 --> 00:28:58,778
Well, we were allowed to do that.
534
00:28:58,814 --> 00:29:00,284
JUDI:
We were made to, weren't we?
535
00:29:00,314 --> 00:29:01,654
MAGGIE: That's true
SHE LAUGHS
536
00:29:01,689 --> 00:29:03,907
JUDI: We were made to because
you all had to fight for our country.
537
00:29:05,148 --> 00:29:09,368
I had a great aunt, great aunt Sarah,
I think she was called, I only met her once.
538
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,572
She lived in Dublin and she was
like a bird, a tiny little bird.
539
00:29:13,609 --> 00:29:16,537
And... she once said... 'I'm not going...
540
00:29:16,569 --> 00:29:20,362
I'm not going to films anymore
because the seats are too narrow
541
00:29:20,403 --> 00:29:23,912
And she never knew that you
actually put the seat down.
542
00:29:24,362 --> 00:29:27,326
She just sat on that little narrow bit
- I don't believe you, Judi.
543
00:29:27,364 --> 00:29:29,580
She sat on that!
- It's a fact.
544
00:29:29,613 --> 00:29:31,285
Mind you, we all did as children.
545
00:29:31,864 --> 00:29:33,074
Perched.
546
00:29:34,366 --> 00:29:38,123
The next door neighbours took me to see
547
00:29:38,157 --> 00:29:42,828
now this is really frightening
The Jazz Singer.
548
00:29:44,202 --> 00:29:45,458
Al Jolson?
549
00:29:45,493 --> 00:29:47,295
No, it wasn't Al Jolson.
550
00:29:48,577 --> 00:29:51,126
Close, but no, it was
551
00:29:51,162 --> 00:29:56,378
it was Larry, not Olivier
Larry Parks.
552
00:29:58,579 --> 00:30:03,796
It was so long and so boring
I didn't enjoy it at all.
553
00:30:03,832 --> 00:30:07,008
But I got home and my father
was very, very, very cross.
554
00:30:07,415 --> 00:30:08,802
JUDI:
Was it not suitable?
555
00:30:08,832 --> 00:30:11,300
MAGGIE: Well, no because it was
a Sunday and it was, you know...
556
00:30:11,334 --> 00:30:12,258
JUDI:
Oh, yes.
557
00:30:12,293 --> 00:30:13,928
MAGGIE: So you weren't allowed
to do anything like that.
558
00:30:15,085 --> 00:30:16,969
So it kind of put me off a bit.
559
00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:20,551
So after that, the first thing I saw
was Hamlet.
560
00:30:22,129 --> 00:30:23,930
And that was just as scary.
561
00:30:26,046 --> 00:30:27,635
Just as scary.
562
00:30:29,797 --> 00:30:30,805
MAGGIE
Ooh.
563
00:30:31,881 --> 00:30:36,552
I've never known my father
as cross as he was that day.
564
00:30:38,258 --> 00:30:41,720
INTERVIEWER: What did your parents
make of you going into this job?
565
00:30:42,926 --> 00:30:45,853
What did they make of me
going into this job?
566
00:30:47,343 --> 00:30:49,264
Well, I think they were a bit puzzled.
567
00:30:49,928 --> 00:30:52,975
How did you begin in the theatre?
Did you act at school?
568
00:30:53,013 --> 00:30:57,896
The very first definite step
was when I was still at school.
569
00:30:57,930 --> 00:31:00,265
They had a frightfully good thing
that when you'd finished
570
00:31:00,306 --> 00:31:01,480
you know, general school certificate
571
00:31:01,515 --> 00:31:05,438
you usually had about two weeks at the end
of term which was kind of dead time.
572
00:31:05,474 --> 00:31:08,106
And I immediately went to
the Oxford Playhouse.
573
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:15,905
In The Letter, I think it's The Letter,
I played Uh, Chinese boy.
574
00:31:17,268 --> 00:31:21,323
Uh, a Chinese boy in an opium den.
575
00:31:22,146 --> 00:31:24,446
Of course you did.
- Yes, 'course I did.
576
00:31:25,313 --> 00:31:31,241
And... right
at the beginning of The
Letter
I was
the Malayan woman.
577
00:31:33,399 --> 00:31:35,781
And you were Uh, Chinese...
578
00:31:35,816 --> 00:31:37,654
And Uh, Chinese boy.
579
00:31:37,692 --> 00:31:39,742
God, can you imagine
my make-up?
580
00:31:41,735 --> 00:31:42,991
Oh!
581
00:31:43,527 --> 00:31:44,735
DIALOGUE FROM
ROOTS PLAYS
582
00:31:44,776 --> 00:31:46,329
JOAN: You don't have to make no effort
for them, they come easy.
583
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,487
But we know where the money //es
584
00:31:47,528 --> 00:31:49,697
They say, 'He// we do,
the workers have got it.
585
00:31:49,737 --> 00:31:52,037
A/night then let's give 'em
what they want.
586
00:31:52,071 --> 00:31:55,033
If they want words of one syllable
we 'll give 'em that then.
587
00:31:55,071 --> 00:31:58,035
If they want the third rate blast
we '// give 'em that then.
588
00:31:58,072 --> 00:32:01,203
Anything's good enough for them
'cause they don't ask for no more
589
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,033
The who/e stinking commercial world
insults us and we don't give a
damn.
590
00:32:05,074 --> 00:32:07,492
Well, it does serve us r/jg/7t.
It is our own fault.
591
00:32:07,533 --> 00:32:09,418
We want the third rate
and we've got it!
592
00:32:09,451 --> 00:32:11,252
We've got it! We've got it!
593
00:32:12,285 --> 00:32:14,751
J©II\N
mm .
594
00:32:15,202 --> 00:32:20,336
You know, such a leading part
that hardly exists anywhere.
595
00:32:20,370 --> 00:32:26,049
You know, Beatie is the centre of attention
is the centre of the story
596
00:32:26,081 --> 00:32:30,586
instead of being, you know, on the side
the decoration bit
597
00:32:31,583 --> 00:32:32,791
the support
598
00:32:33,791 --> 00:32:37,003
The female is absolutely
at the centre of it.
599
00:32:39,876 --> 00:32:42,259
And it's that feeling of elation
600
00:32:43,585 --> 00:32:45,174
exhilaration
601
00:32:45,794 --> 00:32:48,047
when you know you're in charge.
602
00:32:48,587 --> 00:32:49,713
Oh, yes
603
00:32:49,754 --> 00:32:53,133
Do anything you thought wrong, no no
I have too much honour to desire it.
604
00:32:53,171 --> 00:32:55,933
Don't you think we may as well leave
honour out of the argument?
605
00:32:55,964 --> 00:32:57,137
Ah.
606
00:32:57,173 --> 00:33:02,056
We are not in the first rank
of world beauties.
607
00:33:03,299 --> 00:33:10,056
That was my mother who sent me off
to the Old Vic Theatre school
608
00:33:10,968 --> 00:33:14,727
and saying, you know,
OK, you're on your way out there.
609
00:33:15,511 --> 00:33:20,858
You're no oil painting my girl
but you have the spark.
610
00:33:21,596 --> 00:33:27,192
You've lovely expressive eyes and thank God
you've got my legs and not your father's.'
611
00:33:28,890 --> 00:33:30,975
Madam, I'll see you.
612
00:33:31,390 --> 00:33:35,812
EILEEN: I was very lucky in the way that
your mother said that to you.
613
00:33:35,850 --> 00:33:39,905
It was the school teacher who was
encouraging me to go into the theatre
614
00:33:39,935 --> 00:33:45,104
and he invited an actor to come
and see me to ask his opinion
615
00:33:45,145 --> 00:33:50,574
and, accidentally, I heard him say,
I don't know what to do about her.
616
00:33:51,063 --> 00:33:57,608
I think she's probably
a very good actress, or could be
617
00:33:58,649 --> 00:34:05,370
but I'm worried about her looks,
because she's not what you would call pretty
618
00:34:06,317 --> 00:34:11,070
I was listening to this,
quite happily actually
619
00:34:11,110 --> 00:34:15,165
and then he answered happily for me
620
00:34:15,195 --> 00:34:18,372
which has kept me going throughout
the whole of my career
621
00:34:19,113 --> 00:34:23,499
'No, no, she's not conventionally
pretty in any way
622
00:34:25,031 --> 00:34:28,789
but do you know what, she's sexy '
623
00:34:29,573 --> 00:34:30,451
: Ah.
624
00:34:38,368 --> 00:34:42,042
MAGGIE: I spent two days the other day
trying to remember Andre Previn.
625
00:34:43,077 --> 00:34:45,247
I could not think of his name.
626
00:34:46,704 --> 00:34:48,209
JUDI:
Isn't it so easy?
627
00:34:48,912 --> 00:34:51,461
I spend all my time thinking,
What did I do last weekend?
628
00:34:53,664 --> 00:34:57,209
MAGGIE: 'Lucy used to borrow from
a woman who wore gators and galoshes
629
00:34:57,249 --> 00:35:02,250
and those plastic mackintoshes
and a rather grubby husband
630
00:35:02,291 --> 00:35:04,176
that she only wore on Sundays
631
00:35:05,125 --> 00:35:06,631
Why do I remember things...
632
00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:09,131
Where's that from?
633
00:35:09,168 --> 00:35:10,590
One of those Oxford review.
634
00:35:12,544 --> 00:35:15,591
'And a rather pallid husband
that she only wore on Sundays.
635
00:35:16,129 --> 00:35:19,719
When she sat behind the teapot
handing fancies to the vicar.'
636
00:35:21,422 --> 00:35:22,513
I don't know.
637
00:35:22,672 --> 00:35:24,308
Where does it all come from?
638
00:35:24,340 --> 00:35:28,393
Kind of jammed full of rubbish
my head.
639
00:35:30,258 --> 00:35:31,597
Very difficult.
640
00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:36,220
Has anybody said go?
- Yes.
641
00:35:37,052 --> 00:35:38,521
Oh, go
- Yeah.
642
00:35:38,551 --> 00:35:40,104
What's the play, what's the part?
643
00:35:40,135 --> 00:35:41,522
THEY LAUGH
644
00:35:42,427 --> 00:35:44,847
EILEEN: Can you remember
the first time you came to this house?
645
00:35:45,638 --> 00:35:50,308
MAGGIE: I was with very small people
small children.
646
00:35:50,347 --> 00:35:55,942
And I've got a picture of Joan
just vanishing into the room downstairs
647
00:35:55,973 --> 00:36:00,395
and that wonderful lime walk out there
was this high
648
00:36:01,767 --> 00:36:03,651
where it's all overgrown now.
649
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,273
So it was when Richard was tiny
and Chris was tiny.
650
00:36:13,770 --> 00:36:15,940
Babies.
- EILEEN: Lots of babies.
651
00:36:32,275 --> 00:36:38,701
RICHARD: I can tell you a story about
Richard when he was a very small person.
652
00:36:39,486 --> 00:36:42,248
In the hall there was a dumbwaiter
653
00:36:43,612 --> 00:36:46,871
and Richard, as a small person
654
00:36:46,904 --> 00:36:50,366
used to just nonchalantly post any mail
655
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:52,869
that there might be down there.
656
00:36:52,906 --> 00:36:57,743
And one Christmas, I remember
Larry standing over him
657
00:36:58,699 --> 00:36:59,909
because he'd...
658
00:37:02,034 --> 00:37:06,123
Larry was beseeching this child
and he's...
659
00:37:06,577 --> 00:37:10,796
because he couldn't find
the keys to the bar
660
00:37:10,828 --> 00:37:12,381
that was at the end of, erm
661
00:37:13,245 --> 00:37:16,375
and he saw Richard looking a bit furtive
662
00:37:17,329 --> 00:37:19,582
and he was leaning over him saying
663
00:37:19,622 --> 00:37:24,257
'Where are the keys to Daddy's num nums?'
664
00:37:24,289 --> 00:37:26,044
THEY LAUGH
665
00:37:27,165 --> 00:37:32,845
And we thought it was wonderful
that this quite fantastic actor was reduced
666
00:37:32,876 --> 00:37:35,887
T@
@@yfln "mum mum.“
667
00:37:35,917 --> 00:37:38,466
'Where are keys to Daddy's
num nums?'
668
00:37:38,502 --> 00:37:40,921
I think he'd posted them down
the wretched thing.
669
00:37:40,962 --> 00:37:42,597
THEY LAUGH
670
00:37:42,629 --> 00:37:43,719
AnyWaY
671
00:37:46,921 --> 00:37:51,427
I suppose that's what it was
all about in those days.
672
00:37:51,464 --> 00:37:52,675
The children.
673
00:37:54,006 --> 00:37:55,975
Very small people running around
674
00:37:58,257 --> 00:38:00,428
Why are you so tanned, is that all Cornwall?
675
00:38:00,467 --> 00:38:01,593
EILEEN:
Cornwall.
676
00:38:02,301 --> 00:38:03,687
MAGGIE:
Doesn't happen to me.
677
00:38:10,053 --> 00:38:14,605
Mama thinks I'm living in a convent.
678
00:38:15,805 --> 00:38:21,353
A secluded little convent
in the southern part of France.
679
00:38:23,556 --> 00:38:27,517
Mama doesn't even have an inkling
680
00:38:28,517 --> 00:38:34,894
that I'm working in a nightclub
in a pair of lacy pants.
681
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:38,905
So...
682
00:38:38,936 --> 00:38:41,189
6% . fir
683
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:47,110
# If you run into my mama
684
00:38:48,689 --> 00:38:52,317
# Don't reveal my indiscretion
685
00:38:54,566 --> 00:39:00,115
# Give a working girl a chance
#
686
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,784
I'm trying to think how old I was
in the sixties.
687
00:39:04,818 --> 00:39:09,122
34, 44...
26 at the beginning.
688
00:39:09,153 --> 00:39:15,199
I think that I thought it was much more
to do with being in the theatre
689
00:39:15,822 --> 00:39:19,781
and, like, and it was fun
and things were loose.
690
00:39:19,823 --> 00:39:22,289
I don't know.
- Perhaps we swung a bit early.
691
00:39:22,323 --> 00:39:24,373
I think we did.
- Do you think?
692
00:39:24,407 --> 00:39:26,208
I'm sure you and I did.
693
00:39:26,241 --> 00:39:27,830
I'm pretty sure we did.
694
00:39:29,284 --> 00:39:31,085
I guess I was swinging
at the end of the fifties.
695
00:39:31,117 --> 00:39:33,500
We behaved pretty badly actually, Judi.
696
00:39:33,534 --> 00:39:35,954
I don't think you and I needed the sixties.
697
00:39:35,994 --> 00:39:37,796
JUDI LAUGHS
698
00:39:37,828 --> 00:39:40,126
My courage, try by combat
if thou darest.
699
00:39:40,161 --> 00:39:42,745
And thou shall find that I exceed my sex.
700
00:39:43,412 --> 00:39:44,669
Resolve on this.
701
00:39:44,705 --> 00:39:47,799
Thou shall be fortunate if thou
received me for thy warlike mate.
702
00:39:47,831 --> 00:39:50,877
MUSIC: "Not Fade Away"
by The Rolling Stones
703
00:39:54,207 --> 00:39:56,293
# I'm gonna tell you
how it's gonna be
704
00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:00,504
# You're gonna give your love to me
705
00:40:01,126 --> 00:40:02,880
SCREAM
706
00:40:02,918 --> 00:40:04,756
# I'm gonna love you night and day
707
00:40:06,836 --> 00:40:08,923
# Well love is love and not fade away
708
00:40:11,211 --> 00:40:13,216
# Well love is love and not fade away
709
00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:17,514
# My love bigger than a Cadillac
710
00:40:19,756 --> 00:40:21,806
# I try to show it
and you're drivin' me back
711
00:40:24,049 --> 00:40:26,018
# Your love for me
has got to be real...
#
712
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:30,971
Come on, love, let's be having ya
713
00:40:31,134 --> 00:40:32,556
You stinking copper!
714
00:40:32,593 --> 00:40:34,727
Filthy, stinking copper!
715
00:40:38,260 --> 00:40:40,728
CROWD CLAMOURS
716
00:40:42,846 --> 00:40:45,016
JUDI: I sat down in Trafalgar Square
with Vanessa.
717
00:40:45,055 --> 00:40:46,478
EILEEN
So did I.
718
00:40:46,514 --> 00:40:49,477
JUDI: And then Vanessa got arrested
and remembered she had a matinee.
719
00:40:49,514 --> 00:40:51,103
EILEEN LAUGHS
720
00:40:51,724 --> 00:40:53,146
EILEEN:
I sat down.
721
00:40:53,183 --> 00:40:54,688
It was probably the same thing.
722
00:40:54,725 --> 00:40:55,768
Julian said...
723
00:40:55,809 --> 00:40:59,648
I was married to Julian Glover then
and we all sat down.
724
00:40:59,684 --> 00:41:03,858
And first of all, John Osbourne
was taken away
725
00:41:03,893 --> 00:41:06,775
and then Vanessa was taken away
and you were probably...
726
00:41:06,812 --> 00:41:08,731
Were you taken away?
- JUDI: Oh, no, I hid.
727
00:41:08,769 --> 00:41:10,062
EILEEN:
Well, you hid.
728
00:41:10,104 --> 00:41:14,609
Well, Julian went away and I thought
'I've had enough of this.'
729
00:41:14,647 --> 00:41:16,069
And I got up and went home
730
00:41:16,106 --> 00:41:18,868
and I remember buying some
crumpets on the way home.
731
00:41:19,481 --> 00:41:25,077
And Julian was furious with me
cause he spent a night in the cells
732
00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:28,613
and came back the next day
and said, 'What happened to you?'
733
00:41:28,650 --> 00:41:29,824
Where were you?'
734
00:41:29,860 --> 00:41:33,737
And I said, 'I suddenly thought
I wanted to go home.'
735
00:41:35,362 --> 00:41:38,870
We weren't allowed sometimes at home
736
00:41:38,903 --> 00:41:41,238
to talk about politics or religion.
737
00:41:41,779 --> 00:41:43,416
When you were young?
- Yeah.
738
00:41:44,447 --> 00:41:46,414
No, nobody spoke about it
in my house at all.
739
00:41:46,447 --> 00:41:47,657
Not much.
740
00:41:48,823 --> 00:41:50,993
No, I don't remember debates
at school or anything.
741
00:41:51,032 --> 00:41:52,538
You went away to school, didn't you?
742
00:41:52,575 --> 00:41:55,835
Well, I was at boarding school in York,
which is my hometown.
743
00:41:55,868 --> 00:41:57,786
But I still had to stay there, you know...
744
00:41:58,617 --> 00:42:00,870
JUDI:
The Quaker's. I loved it.
745
00:42:00,910 --> 00:42:04,419
EILEEN: I remember asking you
about it, rather nosily
746
00:42:04,953 --> 00:42:08,912
and you said 'I just think
it's a very good idea each week
747
00:42:09,579 --> 00:42:11,748
to just collect yourself
748
00:42:11,788 --> 00:42:14,041
and have a bit of silence
749
00:42:14,789 --> 00:42:15,879
Be calm.
750
00:42:16,413 --> 00:42:17,706
JUDI:
Well, it's very soothing.
751
00:42:17,748 --> 00:42:20,794
It's like, you know, like having
a massage in a way.
752
00:42:20,832 --> 00:42:24,258
I told you about Maggie and I
on The Marigold Hotel.
753
00:42:24,292 --> 00:42:32,258
We were in Udaipur
and we went for a head massage.
754
00:42:32,294 --> 00:42:34,712
An Indian head massage.
755
00:42:35,795 --> 00:42:38,129
Well, of course,
it's legendary isn't it?
756
00:42:38,170 --> 00:42:39,344
EILEEN:
Yes. That I would like.
757
00:42:39,379 --> 00:42:42,509
We thought this will be absolutely wonderful.
758
00:42:43,006 --> 00:42:47,143
She massaged our heads like that
and we were in the same room
759
00:42:47,172 --> 00:42:51,761
very quiet, very, very quiet
and just smelling lovely, you know.
760
00:42:52,508 --> 00:42:54,392
And as soon as she's finished
she went whack!
761
00:42:58,718 --> 00:43:00,603
I just...
- EILEEN LAUGHS
762
00:43:02,053 --> 00:43:03,309
WOMAN:
Are you alright?
763
00:43:04,094 --> 00:43:05,766
I just want a glass of water.
764
00:43:07,554 --> 00:43:09,107
That was a gin and tonic.
765
00:43:12,055 --> 00:43:13,063
I know that now.
766
00:43:14,055 --> 00:43:15,062
Oh.
767
00:43:16,306 --> 00:43:17,313
Oh, good grief
768
00:43:17,348 --> 00:43:21,901
This is from York Film Archive
and it's of the mystery plays.
769
00:43:22,725 --> 00:43:24,609
TANYA: It hasn't got any sound
but we think...
770
00:43:24,641 --> 00:43:27,439
JUDI: What year?
- TANYA: '51 or '52
771
00:43:27,685 --> 00:43:30,151
JUDI:
Well, if it's '51... Oh, wait a minute.
772
00:43:30,185 --> 00:43:31,395
EILEEN:
Is that you? No.
773
00:43:31,436 --> 00:43:32,823
Now wait a minute.
774
00:43:34,477 --> 00:43:35,818
Can I have it very close?
- Yes.
775
00:43:36,812 --> 00:43:38,650
JUDI
Oh. Er...
776
00:43:39,938 --> 00:43:42,357
Who is that?
Oh, I wish I could see.
777
00:43:43,271 --> 00:43:45,026
TANYA:
I'll try and freeze frame.
778
00:43:45,814 --> 00:43:47,155
EILEEN:
Yeah, that would be good.
779
00:43:48,232 --> 00:43:50,152
TANYA: We were wondering
whether that was you there.
780
00:43:50,191 --> 00:43:52,609
That's what I wondered
Can I just look closely?
781
00:43:52,650 --> 00:43:54,036
I can't see
782
00:43:56,067 --> 00:43:58,285
EILEEN: May I ask,
did you have tits even then?
783
00:43:59,902 --> 00:44:01,408
JUDI:
Well, that person has.
784
00:44:01,445 --> 00:44:02,735
Because you have
very pretty tits there.
785
00:44:02,777 --> 00:44:04,995
I don't think I had them like that.
786
00:44:05,028 --> 00:44:07,446
How old were you then? You're tiny there.
787
00:44:07,487 --> 00:44:10,831
JUDI: In '52...
- EILEEN You were 18.
788
00:44:10,864 --> 00:44:12,866
Yes, yes, yes, that's Judi
789
00:44:12,905 --> 00:44:16,036
OK, just play it a tiny bit more.
- You have an awful wig on, it's...
790
00:44:16,073 --> 00:44:18,788
We all had them, those gold wigs.
791
00:44:19,491 --> 00:44:22,834
And there's everybody going in
to see it with their rugs, look.
792
00:44:24,033 --> 00:44:26,618
EILEEN: So this is in '52, yes?
- JUDI: St Mary's Abbey.
793
00:44:27,493 --> 00:44:30,209
My father played Annas
the High Priest.
794
00:44:30,244 --> 00:44:32,579
My mum made the costumes
- Look at them all.
795
00:44:32,619 --> 00:44:34,872
TANYA: And then there's lots
of behind the scene shots.
796
00:44:35,412 --> 00:44:37,250
JUDI: God, I remember that,
climbing up there
797
00:44:37,787 --> 00:44:40,716
and we were all in these great big arches.
798
00:44:43,914 --> 00:44:46,333
EILEEN: Do you know what
colour dress you had?
799
00:44:46,373 --> 00:44:51,838
JUDI: White, all white with
a gold collar and gold wigs.
800
00:44:52,917 --> 00:44:54,636
EILEEN:
And is that you there then?
801
00:44:54,667 --> 00:44:57,169
JUDI: I don't know, there's a bit
of horsing about going on there.
802
00:44:57,210 --> 00:44:59,593
TANYA: Sort of costume change
- EILEEN: Oh, costume change.
803
00:44:59,628 --> 00:45:02,673
JUDI: Oh. Oh, these are all devils.
804
00:45:02,711 --> 00:45:04,217
These are all devils.
805
00:45:06,337 --> 00:45:07,428
TANYA:
Is that thunder?
806
00:45:07,462 --> 00:45:09,930
EILEEN:
Oh, that's the thunder there, yes.
807
00:45:12,881 --> 00:45:14,718
Thank you, darling
- Oh, gosh!
808
00:45:14,756 --> 00:45:17,472
JUDI: Oh, now that's
where we were, that was me.
809
00:45:17,507 --> 00:45:21,301
That was just because
a May bug flew up my sleeve.
810
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:23,640
A May bug?
811
00:45:26,427 --> 00:45:27,932
JUDI:
That's lovely, thank you.
812
00:45:28,886 --> 00:45:30,095
David Charles used to say
813
00:45:30,135 --> 00:45:33,017
With all wit that we wield
we worship thy will
814
00:45:33,053 --> 00:45:35,851
thou glorious God that is ground
of all grace
815
00:45:36,263 --> 00:45:39,558
with steadfast song let us ever stand still
816
00:45:39,597 --> 00:45:41,731
to be fed with the food
of beholding thy face'
817
00:45:44,682 --> 00:45:46,981
JUDI:
A wonderful man called Alfred Bristow.
818
00:45:47,516 --> 00:45:50,479
He'd say 'When hast thou Lord
who ownest all
819
00:45:50,516 --> 00:45:53,231
hunger or thirst since God art thou.
820
00:45:54,642 --> 00:45:57,690
Bits of it I can remember really clearly.
821
00:45:59,393 --> 00:46:01,030
Oh, my word!
822
00:46:01,644 --> 00:46:03,234
What wonderful footage.
823
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:04,906
What a lovely thing to have.
824
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,775
OK, so you're going to head
towards the step.
825
00:46:18,274 --> 00:46:19,614
And here's the door.
826
00:46:19,649 --> 00:46:21,949
Shall I put your hand on the frame?
827
00:46:22,525 --> 00:46:23,616
Brilliant.
828
00:46:24,443 --> 00:46:25,569
I've got you
829
00:46:28,068 --> 00:46:29,953
I did not sleep last night.
830
00:46:29,986 --> 00:46:32,404
You know that awful thing when you don't
- Oh, God I do.
831
00:46:32,445 --> 00:46:35,457
Everything was going round in my head
what we talked about.
832
00:46:38,029 --> 00:46:39,582
INTERVIEWER:
Who was the first dame?
833
00:46:39,614 --> 00:46:40,954
Joan, were you the first dame?
834
00:46:40,989 --> 00:46:42,625
No, I wasn't.
835
00:46:42,656 --> 00:46:44,245
EILEEN:
Jude was the first.
836
00:46:44,282 --> 00:46:47,128
JOAN: I was putting down the red carpet
for all my friends.
837
00:46:54,743 --> 00:46:56,794
MAGGIE:
You phoned me when it happened to me.
838
00:46:57,493 --> 00:47:00,706
And you said it doesn't make any
difference, you can still swear.
839
00:47:02,329 --> 00:47:03,372
Yes
840
00:47:03,413 --> 00:47:04,835
Do you remember?
- You can swear more, actually
841
00:47:04,871 --> 00:47:06,044
You can swear more, yeah
842
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,498
Just try and do it privately
843
00:47:09,914 --> 00:47:11,301
I won't do it now.
844
00:47:12,373 --> 00:47:15,633
In America though they call you
Dame Plowright don't they
845
00:47:15,666 --> 00:47:18,510
and Dame Smith and Dame Atkins?
846
00:47:18,541 --> 00:47:19,714
MAGGIE:
Mrs Dame.
847
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:21,043
Mrs
848
00:47:21,875 --> 00:47:27,127
With John Standing,
when he went through an airport
849
00:47:27,169 --> 00:47:29,884
and they do all that thing
with your passport.
850
00:47:29,919 --> 00:47:33,511
And my gm an mm.
“Haw me my "
851
00:47:34,088 --> 00:47:36,423
cause he is a Baron
852
00:47:38,464 --> 00:47:41,096
'Have a nice day, Baron.'
I said what is that about?
853
00:47:43,924 --> 00:47:46,425
EILEEN: What are you supposed
to say to a Baron? I don't...
854
00:47:46,465 --> 00:47:48,138
'Have a nice day,' I guess
855
00:47:51,926 --> 00:47:54,060
INTERVIEWER: Did any of you
consider not being a Dame
856
00:47:54,093 --> 00:47:55,433
when you were offered?
857
00:47:55,469 --> 00:47:56,641
EILEEN: Yes.
858
00:47:56,677 --> 00:47:58,349
The letter had got lost in the post.
859
00:47:58,969 --> 00:48:03,273
So I suddenly got a phone call saying
'Are you or are you not?
860
00:48:03,304 --> 00:48:05,355
What is your answer?
We haven't received it.
861
00:48:07,805 --> 00:48:09,524
And so she told me over the phone
862
00:48:09,556 --> 00:48:14,901
and I said 'Oh, oh, I don't
I don't know what to do.
863
00:48:14,932 --> 00:48:16,189
I don't know what to say '
864
00:48:17,266 --> 00:48:19,566
And she said,
I just remember her saying
865
00:48:19,601 --> 00:48:21,355
Oh, do say yes
866
00:48:22,018 --> 00:48:23,025
Do say yes
867
00:48:23,060 --> 00:48:25,525
But then I asked for some time
to think about it.
868
00:48:26,227 --> 00:48:27,484
I don't know.
869
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:29,440
And then I was as pleased as punch
that I did it.
870
00:48:30,479 --> 00:48:32,613
OFFICIAL: The most excellent Order
of the British Empire
871
00:48:32,646 --> 00:48:35,111
to be a Dame Commander
Civil Division.
872
00:48:35,646 --> 00:48:39,322
Dame Eileen Atkins,
for services to drama.
873
00:48:40,648 --> 00:48:43,576
MAGGIE: I was just so thrilled
that my father was alive.
874
00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:47,865
But that's mostly the point, isn't it?
- EILEEN: Yes.
875
00:48:48,775 --> 00:48:55,450
MAGGIE: It's for other people who've
helped and got you where you are.
876
00:48:56,027 --> 00:48:57,414
It's not really you
877
00:49:01,821 --> 00:49:04,452
OFFICIAL: The order of the Companions
of Honour
878
00:49:05,322 --> 00:49:06,708
to be a member
879
00:49:07,114 --> 00:49:10,623
Dame Maggie Smith,
for services to drama.
880
00:49:15,783 --> 00:49:18,711
I think it's much nicer being a Lady
881
00:49:18,742 --> 00:49:20,995
which you were before
being a Dame.
882
00:49:21,035 --> 00:49:24,543
Well, darling it's quite difficult
when you've got two titles
883
00:49:24,952 --> 00:49:27,003
People don't know which to use.
884
00:49:27,036 --> 00:49:29,123
You'll have to grapple with it, Joan.
885
00:49:29,162 --> 00:49:30,714
THEY LAUGH
886
00:49:30,746 --> 00:49:33,461
MAGGIE: It's so much nicer to be
Lady somebody than Dame.
887
00:49:33,496 --> 00:49:34,752
JOAN:
Oh, darling, is it?
888
00:49:34,788 --> 00:49:38,334
Now I'm not sure about titles
at all, really.
889
00:49:39,082 --> 00:49:43,586
I have a feeling that Russia's way
of calling you a People's Artist.
890
00:49:44,374 --> 00:49:46,840
But you accepted it.
891
00:49:46,875 --> 00:49:49,459
I did, because everybody else had.
892
00:49:50,668 --> 00:49:52,090
Did you feel left out?
893
00:49:53,126 --> 00:50:00,300
Well, it's a kind of an acceptance
isn't it, of work achieved.
894
00:50:02,505 --> 00:50:07,673
OFFICIAL: Dame Joan Plowright
for services to drama.
895
00:50:12,007 --> 00:50:15,468
I remember Joan saying
on Tea with
Mussolini
896
00:50:15,508 --> 00:50:17,061
they said something like Dames
897
00:50:17,092 --> 00:50:21,395
and Joanie said 'No, one Lady, two Dames'
898
00:50:21,426 --> 00:50:23,181
I remember that very well.
899
00:50:26,011 --> 00:50:29,805
Walking the streets of Rome
trying to find a hotel.
900
00:50:30,471 --> 00:50:31,892
I'll never forget it.
901
00:50:31,929 --> 00:50:33,055
MAGGIE:
Oh, that was wonderful.
902
00:50:33,096 --> 00:50:36,891
JUDI: And we got into the hotel,
and you were shown to your room.
903
00:50:36,932 --> 00:50:39,350
And somebody was showing me
to my room.
904
00:50:39,390 --> 00:50:40,895
This can't be right.
905
00:50:40,932 --> 00:50:43,860
And as I got to my room
you appeared around the corner.
906
00:50:43,892 --> 00:50:46,440
You said 'We're not stopping here
it's a knocking shop.'
907
00:50:46,475 --> 00:50:48,064
MAGGIE:
It's a knocking shop' yes.
908
00:50:48,101 --> 00:50:50,732
And it was 12.30 in the morning
I'll never forget it.
909
00:50:50,768 --> 00:50:52,736
And nor did we stay there.
910
00:50:52,768 --> 00:50:55,068
And we all landed up together,
didn't we.
911
00:50:55,103 --> 00:51:00,023
Yeah, well, we went... you and I went
along to the Grand, and I said...
912
00:51:00,062 --> 00:51:02,231
JUDI:
You went round the whole of Rome.
913
00:51:02,271 --> 00:51:05,402
No, but Joan asked...
you asked at the Grand...
914
00:51:05,439 --> 00:51:06,862
Do you have any rooms?'
915
00:51:07,565 --> 00:51:10,908
And he said
Madam, we have 150 rooms
916
00:51:12,983 --> 00:51:13,990
- JUDII
We did.
917
00:51:14,525 --> 00:51:15,995
We went to the Eden
918
00:51:16,026 --> 00:51:18,989
and do you remember
in the bar at the top
919
00:51:19,027 --> 00:51:21,409
you weren't allowed to eat there?
920
00:51:21,443 --> 00:51:25,072
We used to go and have drinks
and drink a whole bottle of Prosecco.
921
00:51:25,111 --> 00:51:26,403
Mm W mm"
922
00:51:26,445 --> 00:51:27,867
Yes, and then try and guess
where our rooms were.
923
00:51:27,904 --> 00:51:29,243
THEY LAUGH
924
00:51:34,155 --> 00:51:36,242
Oh, well, we're not supposed
to be talking about that.
925
00:51:36,281 --> 00:51:39,411
No, we're not supposed to be talking
about things like that.
926
00:51:41,324 --> 00:51:42,747
INTERVIEWER
Reviews'?
927
00:51:42,783 --> 00:51:44,335
You don't read them.
928
00:51:44,951 --> 00:51:46,421
JUDI:
You certainly don't read them.
929
00:51:46,451 --> 00:51:48,003
Somebody will always tell you
won't they?
930
00:51:48,034 --> 00:51:50,501
Oh, yeah. Particularly if it's dreadful.
931
00:51:51,368 --> 00:51:53,123
Caryl Brahms
years and years ago
932
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:54,962
JUDI: I was just going to say
Caryl Brahms.
933
00:51:54,994 --> 00:51:58,290
...came up to me at
a party when I was about early 20s
934
00:51:58,328 --> 00:52:01,755
and said 'I'm so sorry I had
to be so cruel to you.'
935
00:52:02,663 --> 00:52:05,591
And I hadn't known, and I didn't know
what she was talking about.
936
00:52:05,623 --> 00:52:08,089
Of course, that was the nicest way
I could have answered her.
937
00:52:08,123 --> 00:52:09,675
I mean,
it was a good thrust back.
938
00:52:09,748 --> 00:52:11,468
I said 'I'm sorry, I don't know
what you're talking about.'
939
00:52:11,499 --> 00:52:12,840
Yes, quite right
940
00:52:12,875 --> 00:52:15,970
But it was genuine, I didn't know
what she was talking about.
941
00:52:16,001 --> 00:52:17,293
And after that I thought
942
00:52:17,334 --> 00:52:19,669
Oh, you must check up on
what's said about you.'
943
00:52:19,710 --> 00:52:21,429
JUDI:
Well, I think that's not wise.
944
00:52:22,169 --> 00:52:23,675
Madam, I'm here.
945
00:52:23,711 --> 00:52:24,754
What is your will?
946
00:52:26,046 --> 00:52:27,550
JUDI:
She said about me as Juliet
947
00:52:27,586 --> 00:52:28,630
she said, 'A good try
948
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:31,137
but Rosalind lden should
have been playing the part
949
00:52:31,172 --> 00:52:32,215
THEY LAUGH
950
00:52:32,256 --> 00:52:34,306
JOAN:
Oh, well, off the mark!
951
00:52:34,339 --> 00:52:36,425
MAGGIE: Who said that?
- Caryl Brahms.
952
00:52:37,715 --> 00:52:41,307
It's funny isn't it how, that is 1960
953
00:52:41,341 --> 00:52:44,305
It's funny now isn't it that you
should remember it then.
954
00:52:44,343 --> 00:52:46,725
EILEEN:
You remember the bad ones if...
955
00:52:46,759 --> 00:52:49,143
Yes. Best just not read it.
956
00:52:49,176 --> 00:52:50,517
You kind of know.
957
00:52:52,303 --> 00:52:55,231
INTERVIEWER: Talk more about
getting old, if you will.
958
00:52:55,262 --> 00:52:57,561
You all seem terribly young.
- I thought we were acting it quite well.
959
00:52:57,595 --> 00:52:59,516
JUDI: Fuck off, Roger
- THEY LAUGH
960
00:52:59,554 --> 00:53:01,309
Frankly
961
00:53:01,347 --> 00:53:04,063
Let's say it's a good job
I've got hearing aids in
962
00:53:04,098 --> 00:53:05,106
and I can hear what you say
because“.
963
00:53:05,140 --> 00:53:06,349
MAGGIE
And me.
964
00:53:06,389 --> 00:53:08,938
Hands up who hasn't got
hearing aids here?
965
00:53:08,973 --> 00:53:10,894
You need to get them.
- I do need to get them.
966
00:53:10,933 --> 00:53:13,316
You need to get them, Jude!
967
00:53:15,184 --> 00:53:18,111
JOAN: And then there is
the question of sight loss.
968
00:53:18,143 --> 00:53:19,613
Well done.
969
00:53:19,643 --> 00:53:22,323
Have we got three eyes
between us all?
970
00:53:22,353 --> 00:53:24,439
But I'm saying something
about“...
971
00:53:24,479 --> 00:53:27,822
oh, well we could give these
things round to read.
972
00:53:27,854 --> 00:53:33,533
Or no, Roger said that, and I said,
'ls there nobody who can read?
973
00:53:33,564 --> 00:53:34,857
Who can read
974
00:53:36,315 --> 00:53:39,492
Judi said she's got to have
a huge print.
975
00:53:39,524 --> 00:53:40,816
I've got huge print
976
00:53:40,858 --> 00:53:42,411
Do you find though that...
977
00:53:42,983 --> 00:53:44,822
do you know what I really
don't like?
978
00:53:45,942 --> 00:53:51,705
That people, after a certain age go
can't... I want to say...
979
00:53:52,987 --> 00:53:55,665
if I can't do it,
I'll tell you that I can't do it.
980
00:53:55,695 --> 00:53:59,075
I mean, warn me about steps
and things but, you know...
981
00:54:00,531 --> 00:54:03,743
There's a very, very delicate line
because you need help,
982
00:54:03,782 --> 00:54:04,953
you need help.
983
00:54:04,989 --> 00:54:12,459
But it's like when I was stung
on the bum by a hornet, last year
984
00:54:12,492 --> 00:54:14,577
Oh, yes, and that awful... yes, say.
985
00:54:14,617 --> 00:54:18,672
And somebody, a paramedic
walked into the room
986
00:54:19,161 --> 00:54:20,713
who was about 17
987
00:54:20,744 --> 00:54:22,381
and he said 'What's our name?'
988
00:54:23,204 --> 00:54:24,294
JOAN
Oh!
989
00:54:24,329 --> 00:54:25,834
So I said...
SHE CLEARS THROAT
990
00:54:26,829 --> 00:54:28,715
'Judi, my name's Judi '
991
00:54:28,746 --> 00:54:30,418
And he said,
And have we got a carer'?
992
00:54:30,456 --> 00:54:33,337
And I blew my top
993
00:54:33,956 --> 00:54:35,462
I blew my top
994
00:54:36,332 --> 00:54:38,253
I'm afraid, I completely blew it.
995
00:54:39,083 --> 00:54:40,256
I mean, I would tell you what I said.
996
00:54:40,292 --> 00:54:42,876
You can't probably say it
I said 'You fuck off'.
997
00:54:42,918 --> 00:54:46,094
I said 'I've just done eight weeks
in The Winter's Tale
998
00:54:46,126 --> 00:54:47,716
at the Garrick Theatre!' I said.
999
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,213
THEY LAUGH
1000
00:54:51,128 --> 00:54:53,131
I was so angry.
1001
00:54:53,170 --> 00:54:54,805
That's the kind of thing.
1002
00:54:55,879 --> 00:54:57,764
Have we got a carer?'
1003
00:54:58,796 --> 00:55:00,883
What's our name?'
- MAGGIE: I know.
1004
00:55:00,923 --> 00:55:03,056
That doesn't change, does it?
1005
00:55:03,089 --> 00:55:05,591
That doesn't change somebody
'What's your name?'
1006
00:55:05,632 --> 00:55:08,513
If you want somebody to say that,
you say, you know
1007
00:55:08,550 --> 00:55:10,850
you don't put in a
kind of person that's...
1008
00:55:10,883 --> 00:55:13,218
an invisible person
who's standing next to you.
1009
00:55:15,259 --> 00:55:18,390
I don't like it when people
ask if you've sorted your funeral out.
1010
00:55:18,969 --> 00:55:20,060
EILEEN:
Oh, Lord.
1011
00:55:20,094 --> 00:55:21,517
Do you remember,
Miriam asked you that?
1012
00:55:21,553 --> 00:55:24,516
Miriam Margolyes?
- JOAN: She'd got a lot to sort out.
1013
00:55:24,554 --> 00:55:26,024
Because she said she'd
sorted it all out
1014
00:55:26,054 --> 00:55:28,059
and knows exactly what she's going to do.
1015
00:55:28,096 --> 00:55:31,274
And then she'd said to you
'Have you, Jude?'
1016
00:55:31,307 --> 00:55:34,483
And you said 'No I have not '
And she said 'Why?'
1017
00:55:34,515 --> 00:55:36,400
And you said, 'Because I'm not going to die '
1018
00:55:36,682 --> 00:55:38,852
THEY LAUGH
1019
00:55:39,475 --> 00:55:42,023
Which I know is true.
- Pathetic talk, isn't it?
1020
00:55:42,892 --> 00:55:44,861
It was a very chilling moment.
1021
00:55:47,019 --> 00:55:50,031
But she's got it all organised
and lots of people do.
1022
00:55:50,061 --> 00:55:53,570
EILEEN: And we don't.
- Shall we talk about something cheerier?
1023
00:55:53,604 --> 00:55:56,282
EILEEN: Yes, talk about
- JUDI: Yes.
1024
00:55:56,313 --> 00:55:57,605
I think so.
1025
00:55:58,105 --> 00:56:00,109
INTERVIEWER:
OK, here's something cheerier.
1026
00:56:00,148 --> 00:56:02,068
Can you talk about working
with your husbands?
1027
00:56:04,982 --> 00:56:06,902
Well, there's a dead silence there.
1028
00:56:08,525 --> 00:56:10,244
I'm just trying to think which one?
1029
00:56:10,276 --> 00:56:11,567
Which one?
1030
00:56:14,693 --> 00:56:16,911
Well, obviously mine was
the most difficult.
1031
00:56:18,236 --> 00:56:20,618
We all found him tricky
- Yeah.
1032
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,868
It wasn't just you, Joan
1033
00:56:24,487 --> 00:56:25,875
THEY LAUGH
1034
00:56:25,905 --> 00:56:27,744
JOAN:
You weren't in the same position.
1035
00:56:27,780 --> 00:56:28,954
MAGGIE: No.
1036
00:56:33,281 --> 00:56:35,451
JOAN:
George Bean came and said
1037
00:56:35,490 --> 00:56:37,495
Look, we would like you
to play Jean Rice.'
1038
00:56:39,534 --> 00:56:42,580
Of course the lure of his name too.
1039
00:56:42,618 --> 00:56:48,546
Except you knew you couldn't
make much of a show on your own
1040
00:56:48,579 --> 00:56:53,130
and of course, the part wasn't
anything that was to shout about
1041
00:56:53,871 --> 00:56:55,590
but you'd be on stage
with somebody
1042
00:56:55,621 --> 00:56:58,040
who everybody will be looking at
not looking at you.
1043
00:56:59,330 --> 00:57:03,753
But, the lure of just being on
the same page
1044
00:57:03,790 --> 00:57:06,470
of a programme was great
1045
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:10,251
Hey, tell me something, will you?
1046
00:57:11,501 --> 00:57:13,919
I want you to tell me something
- Mm.
1047
00:57:15,419 --> 00:57:20,718
Well, what would you say
to a man of my age
1048
00:57:23,087 --> 00:57:29,050
marrying a girl of about your age?
1049
00:57:30,422 --> 00:57:31,715
Oh, Dad.
1050
00:57:33,591 --> 00:57:34,551
You're not serious
1051
00:57:35,341 --> 00:57:37,096
JOAN:
It was momentous...
1052
00:57:38,717 --> 00:57:40,637
Earth shattering for me.
1053
00:57:42,134 --> 00:57:44,186
A very, very strange experience.
1054
00:57:45,136 --> 00:57:49,189
Although it was a great privilege
to share in his life
1055
00:57:49,886 --> 00:57:55,981
as well as it being, you know,
a bit of a nightmare sometimes.
1056
00:57:56,097 --> 00:57:57,519
You married Sir Laurence Olivier
1057
00:57:57,555 --> 00:57:59,524
just before he started
the National Theatre
1058
00:57:59,556 --> 00:58:02,022
and your career since then has
been very tied up
1059
00:58:02,057 --> 00:58:03,184
with the National Theatre
- Yes.
1060
00:58:03,224 --> 00:58:05,145
Do you feel because of that,
and because of the marriage
1061
00:58:05,183 --> 00:58:07,649
that you have lost opportunities
that you might have had otherwise
1062
00:58:07,684 --> 00:58:09,403
in other forms of theatre?
1063
00:58:11,143 --> 00:58:12,482
Well...
1064
00:58:13,310 --> 00:58:14,567
That's a
1065
00:58:15,311 --> 00:58:18,654
That's a very difficult question
to answer, Sheridan
1066
00:58:18,687 --> 00:58:20,239
because
1067
00:58:21,645 --> 00:58:22,654
You know
1068
00:58:26,356 --> 00:58:31,109
The actual burden of going on,
knowing that, you know
1069
00:58:31,149 --> 00:58:34,195
those who don't really go for you
1070
00:58:34,233 --> 00:58:36,283
are going to say,
Well, of course, you know
1071
00:58:36,733 --> 00:58:39,068
it's her husband
who put her up in it.
1072
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:43,069
That was my sort of burden.
1073
00:58:45,945 --> 00:58:47,284
This is good news.
1074
00:58:48,278 --> 00:58:49,701
The best you have given me yet
1075
00:58:50,404 --> 00:58:53,616
I wish you joy of it, if you find it so.
1076
00:58:53,947 --> 00:58:55,950
EILEEN:
I don't remember working... Oh, yes,
1077
00:58:56,947 --> 00:58:59,627
It was perfectly alright working
with my first husband
1078
00:58:59,657 --> 00:59:01,910
and my second one wasn't
an actor so...
1079
00:59:02,992 --> 00:59:03,868
Snap.
1080
00:59:10,618 --> 00:59:12,917
INTERVIEWER: What about
working with Robert, Maggie?
1081
00:59:12,952 --> 00:59:15,370
Well, that, yeah,
well, that was tricky.
1082
00:59:15,952 --> 00:59:22,544
A lot of times it was fine,
but then it really got very tricky
1083
00:59:22,580 --> 00:59:27,831
because he was not a well man
and that was hard
1084
00:59:27,873 --> 00:59:30,422
because you didn't know if
somebody was coming on stage
1085
00:59:30,458 --> 00:59:32,959
or if they were indeed,
what state they'd be in.
1086
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:35,590
Do you want a cocktail?
1087
00:59:35,624 --> 00:59:36,798
There are two here
1088
00:59:37,875 --> 00:59:39,714
There are two over here as well
1089
00:59:40,335 --> 00:59:41,806
We'll have my two first.
1090
00:59:43,586 --> 00:59:46,004
Shall we get roaring, screaming drunk?
1091
00:59:46,044 --> 00:59:47,550
I don't think that would help.
1092
00:59:47,587 --> 00:59:49,721
We tried it once before
and it was dismal failure.
1093
00:59:49,754 --> 00:59:51,640
It was lovely at the beginning.
1094
00:59:52,005 --> 00:59:54,802
You have an immoral memory,
Amanda.
1095
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:56,632
Here's to you
1096
00:59:58,299 --> 01:00:02,804
A lot of it was
very, very merry and lovely.
1097
01:00:04,216 --> 01:00:06,800
So I shall remember those bits.
1098
01:00:06,842 --> 01:00:08,893
JOAN: Yes, because
you were a golden couple.
1099
01:00:08,926 --> 01:00:11,393
We were a golden couple
- JUDI: You were.
1100
01:00:12,677 --> 01:00:16,471
Come back Jean, I need you.
1101
01:00:27,473 --> 01:00:30,188
INTERVIEWER: Judi, will you talk
a little bit about working with Michael?
1102
01:00:32,350 --> 01:00:33,392
Mm...
1103
01:00:37,976 --> 01:00:39,363
Y, nnn
1104
01:00:40,728 --> 01:00:43,358
MAGGIE:
How long did The
Fine Romance
1105
01:00:43,394 --> 01:00:45,195
and things like that,
how long did all those go on?
1106
01:00:45,228 --> 01:00:46,733
JUDI:
Oh, ages and ages and ages
1107
01:00:46,770 --> 01:00:48,240
JUDI:
This is a
fine romance
1108
01:00:51,564 --> 01:00:53,152
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
1109
01:00:53,189 --> 01:00:54,528
Ow, that was my head!
1110
01:00:56,939 --> 01:00:58,695
JUDI:
Working with Mike
1111
01:00:58,732 --> 01:01:02,157
oh, we had the most wonderful time,
but he used to laugh.
1112
01:01:02,191 --> 01:01:03,827
Mikey was a terror.
1113
01:01:03,858 --> 01:01:06,574
I mean, I'm bad at corpsing
Mikey was very bad at it.
1114
01:01:08,610 --> 01:01:11,077
We did a
play called A Pack Of Lies
1115
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,581
There was a long scene,
where Richard Vernon had to say...
1116
01:01:18,738 --> 01:01:20,291
Have you noticed a Vauxhall car
1117
01:01:21,988 --> 01:01:24,952
@@ lmMlmE=>@lf AW fl?“
1118
01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:30,788
And he said one day to us...
1119
01:01:32,158 --> 01:01:35,336
Have you noticed a Vauxhall car?
1120
01:01:36,534 --> 01:01:37,921
Registration number...
1121
01:01:40,328 --> 01:01:41,916
F1U1I2?“
1122
01:01:45,162 --> 01:01:46,917
We had to almost stop the play
1123
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,415
INTERVIEWER:
Are you all going to work forever?
1124
01:01:52,831 --> 01:01:55,380
Well, I don't suppose one can
but I'd like to.
1125
01:01:55,415 --> 01:01:57,170
Well, I would work forever if I'm asked.
1126
01:01:57,207 --> 01:01:58,416
If we're asked.
1127
01:01:58,457 --> 01:02:00,259
If we're asked
- What?
1128
01:02:00,291 --> 01:02:03,137
If we're asked. We're going to
work forever if we're asked.
1129
01:02:03,167 --> 01:02:05,965
MAGGIE: But you're always
asked first, if I may say so.
1130
01:02:06,001 --> 01:02:09,131
No, don't turn.
- I'm turning on you now.
1131
01:02:10,377 --> 01:02:11,764
It's all coming out now.
1132
01:02:11,794 --> 01:02:13,264
One of my hearing aids has gone.
1133
01:02:13,295 --> 01:02:14,682
What were we just talking about?
1134
01:02:14,712 --> 01:02:16,182
Do you want one of mine?
- What?
1135
01:02:16,213 --> 01:02:17,765
Do you want one of mine?
1136
01:02:18,839 --> 01:02:20,094
No, it won't fit.
1137
01:02:20,463 --> 01:02:22,716
It's just what was
the last thing said?
1138
01:02:22,756 --> 01:02:24,925
JUDI: Are we going to go on
working forever Joan?
1139
01:02:24,965 --> 01:02:26,305
Oh, was that it?
1140
01:02:27,049 --> 01:02:31,352
And I said Jude gets all
the parts first, but we know that.
1141
01:02:31,382 --> 01:02:32,770
Oh, yeah, I tell you.
1142
01:02:32,801 --> 01:02:37,637
My agent in America said to me,
when he knew I couldn't do very much
1143
01:02:37,677 --> 01:02:39,348
because of the eyesight going.
1144
01:02:39,385 --> 01:02:42,930
And he said 'Well, if you do want
to come over again
1145
01:02:42,970 --> 01:02:47,226
we'll look around for a nice
little cameo that Judi Dench
1146
01:02:47,263 --> 01:02:49,147
hasn't got her paws on '
1147
01:02:49,180 --> 01:02:50,851
THEY LAUGH
1148
01:02:50,888 --> 01:02:52,311
How rude.
1149
01:02:52,347 --> 01:02:54,517
It's not rude at all.
- It's very, very rude.
1150
01:02:54,556 --> 01:02:57,402
Well, that's America
that's how they talk.
1151
01:02:59,891 --> 01:03:02,689
Why does every day involve
a fight with an American?
1152
01:03:18,022 --> 01:03:21,233
MAGGIE: I used to find the most
exhausting thing wearing those hats.
1153
01:03:22,523 --> 01:03:24,941
They're the heaviest things
in the world.
1154
01:03:24,982 --> 01:03:29,735
I had a hat,
it was like the Albert Hall.
1155
01:03:29,774 --> 01:03:33,450
It was this huge and so heavy.
1156
01:03:34,277 --> 01:03:37,701
I said please take it off
please take it off.
1157
01:03:38,152 --> 01:03:39,953
How many episodes were there?
1158
01:03:39,986 --> 01:03:41,575
I mean how many series?
Three?
1159
01:03:41,612 --> 01:03:43,450
I don't know. I don't know.
1160
01:03:43,488 --> 01:03:44,779
No, I think there was more.
1161
01:03:46,697 --> 01:03:48,451
I don't know, I haven't seen it.
1162
01:03:49,488 --> 01:03:51,078
I haven't seen it yet.
1163
01:03:52,322 --> 01:03:54,161
But they gave me a box set.
1164
01:03:54,198 --> 01:03:56,498
What?
- They gave me a box set.
1165
01:03:57,157 --> 01:03:58,663
But I haven't got time.
1166
01:03:59,242 --> 01:04:03,000
I shall have to hasten,
because I won't last long enough
1167
01:04:03,034 --> 01:04:04,789
to see the wretched thing, will I'?
1168
01:04:09,869 --> 01:04:13,498
INTERVIEWER: So, was Mrs
Brown
your first queen on film?
1169
01:04:14,287 --> 01:04:18,875
Mrs
Brown must have been
the first time, yes I played a queen.
1170
01:04:18,914 --> 01:04:21,000
I leave for Deeside
- The Queen forbids it.
1171
01:04:21,247 --> 01:04:24,923
JUDI:
And that really changed my career.
1172
01:04:25,624 --> 01:04:26,964
MAGGIE:
Mrs Brown?
1173
01:04:26,999 --> 01:04:30,425
Yeah, because I wasn't asked
to do anything in films.
1174
01:04:30,458 --> 01:04:33,339
I'd done a few films before that,
but very, very little.
1175
01:04:35,502 --> 01:04:36,971
Now they never stop
1176
01:04:37,001 --> 01:04:42,349
Without you I cannot find the strength
to be who I must be.
1177
01:04:45,046 --> 01:04:46,255
We-ass
1178
01:04:51,006 --> 01:04:53,852
INTERVIEWER: Can you talk about
being on really big film sets?
1179
01:04:54,383 --> 01:04:56,101
Like huge film sets?
1180
01:04:56,132 --> 01:04:58,931
Like the Bond film set or Harry Potter'?
1181
01:05:00,467 --> 01:05:02,518
As for you two gentlemen
1182
01:05:02,552 --> 01:05:05,182
I just hope you realise
how fortunate you are.
1183
01:05:06,260 --> 01:05:08,513
Not many first year students
could take on
1184
01:05:08,552 --> 01:05:11,398
a fully grown mountain troll
and live to tell the tale.
1185
01:05:12,304 --> 01:05:17,982
MAGGIE: Actually Alan Hickman and I
we just ran out of reaction shots.
1186
01:05:18,889 --> 01:05:21,307
Because they would always
shoot on the children first
1187
01:05:21,348 --> 01:05:22,558
not surprisingly
1188
01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:24,648
And then they turn round
and we'd be going...
1189
01:05:26,807 --> 01:05:29,356
Or listening, you know,
and it's absolutely extraordinary.
1190
01:05:29,392 --> 01:05:30,945
Who's this one here?
1191
01:05:31,060 --> 01:05:32,269
CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS
1192
01:05:35,185 --> 01:05:36,655
I was just surprised
1193
01:05:36,685 --> 01:05:38,441
I thought that was part of
Harry Potter.
1194
01:05:38,478 --> 01:05:40,067
He did it really, really well
1195
01:05:41,271 --> 01:05:42,693
Are you a camera?
1196
01:05:42,730 --> 01:05:44,697
INTERVIEWER: You've met before
- I know.
1197
01:05:44,729 --> 01:05:46,199
We met yesterday
1198
01:05:46,688 --> 01:05:50,483
But you're always in the scene.
1199
01:05:52,649 --> 01:05:54,948
Would you like to come
and sit here?
1200
01:05:56,274 --> 01:05:59,203
I'm suddenly sort of aware
that you're there
1201
01:05:59,234 --> 01:06:00,953
more than anybody else.
1202
01:06:00,984 --> 01:06:02,076
MAN:
Would you like me to move?
1203
01:06:02,110 --> 01:06:03,662
I would love it if you moved.
1204
01:06:09,237 --> 01:06:12,616
I honestly think you've taken
an awful lot of photographs.
1205
01:06:12,655 --> 01:06:14,076
MAN:
Yes,lhave.
1206
01:06:14,112 --> 01:06:16,246
Yes.
- INTERVIEWER: It is his job to do that.
1207
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:17,916
I know it is, darling, but
1208
01:06:19,156 --> 01:06:21,041
He's not going to be upset now?
1209
01:06:21,073 --> 01:06:22,200
MAN:
Of course not, no.
1210
01:06:22,241 --> 01:06:24,956
Look at him,
he's been there forever.
1211
01:06:24,990 --> 01:06:26,414
JUDI: He's going to go
and bang about a lot.
1212
01:06:26,450 --> 01:06:28,002
MAGGIE:
We've got quite enough here.
1213
01:06:29,909 --> 01:06:31,119
Oh.
1214
01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:33,670
For God's sake.
1215
01:06:35,578 --> 01:06:37,083
Just get out of the way
1216
01:06:37,911 --> 01:06:39,713
Don't you recognise the car?
- Madam.
1217
01:06:44,163 --> 01:06:45,716
MAGGIE:
Oh, talk about Bond.
1218
01:06:45,747 --> 01:06:48,000
I want to know how you do
covered in jewels.
1219
01:06:49,082 --> 01:06:50,670
I was never covered in jewels.
1220
01:06:50,707 --> 01:06:52,128
After it you were.
1221
01:06:52,165 --> 01:06:54,584
Afterwards, did you say?
1222
01:06:56,166 --> 01:06:58,336
JUDI:
It was Michael really who said...
1223
01:06:58,375 --> 01:07:01,670
because when I was asked to do it
I was kind of really taken aback
1224
01:07:01,709 --> 01:07:05,171
and Michael said 'I long to live
with a Bond woman,' he said.
1225
01:07:05,211 --> 01:07:07,889
'I long to, you have to do it '
1226
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,599
My sons went to a little
preparatory school
1227
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:12,134
not that far from here
1228
01:07:12,838 --> 01:07:15,517
where Kim Philby
was the main pupil.
1229
01:07:15,964 --> 01:07:17,516
JUDI:
Michael's hero.
1230
01:07:18,089 --> 01:07:19,346
MAGGIE:
Kim Philby?
1231
01:07:20,757 --> 01:07:23,768
JUDI: Have you ever seen
that bit of film with him
1232
01:07:23,799 --> 01:07:26,976
when he was suspected
of being a traitor
1233
01:07:27,009 --> 01:07:29,013
and he calls the press into his house?
1234
01:07:31,843 --> 01:07:33,433
REPORTER:
Well, if there was a third man
1235
01:07:33,468 --> 01:07:35,058
were you in fact the third man?
1236
01:07:35,094 --> 01:07:36,600
No, I was not.
1237
01:07:37,054 --> 01:07:38,310
REPORTER:
Do you think there was one?
1238
01:07:38,345 --> 01:07:39,519
No comment.
1239
01:07:40,721 --> 01:07:42,606
JUDI:
Every actor should look at that
1240
01:07:42,637 --> 01:07:43,515
MAGGIE
I know.
1241
01:07:43,555 --> 01:07:44,681
Because
1242
01:07:45,347 --> 01:07:50,018
Because, I mean, you cannot begin
to think for a minute
1243
01:07:50,056 --> 01:07:51,693
that he's lying
- I know.
1244
01:07:51,724 --> 01:07:54,402
And it was in his mother's flat
wasn't it?
1245
01:07:54,433 --> 01:07:57,231
JUDI: I think it was
- Mum was there
1246
01:07:57,267 --> 01:07:58,441
listening to all the lies.
1247
01:07:58,476 --> 01:08:00,859
And you think, of course
don't be so stupid
1248
01:08:00,893 --> 01:08:04,189
of course he's not duplicitous
in any way whatsoever.
1249
01:08:05,312 --> 01:08:06,603
Good, good acting
1250
01:08:07,020 --> 01:08:08,231
Good spying.
1251
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,986
INTERVIEWER: Fear is a common
threat over the last two days.
1252
01:08:12,396 --> 01:08:13,358
Fear.
1253
01:08:13,396 --> 01:08:15,234
Fear is petrol.
- INTERVIEWER: It's the payoff.
1254
01:08:15,272 --> 01:08:16,660
Fear is petrol
- Yes.
1255
01:08:16,689 --> 01:08:18,409
Talk about that. That's amazing
- Fear.
1256
01:08:18,441 --> 01:08:19,566
Fear is what?
1257
01:08:19,606 --> 01:08:21,195
Fear is the petrol, isn't it?
1258
01:08:22,108 --> 01:08:26,162
Fear, you know, it generates
such an energy, fear
1259
01:08:26,193 --> 01:08:27,365
being frightened
- Yes.
1260
01:08:28,277 --> 01:08:31,322
That if you can somehow channel it
it can be a help.
1261
01:08:33,403 --> 01:08:34,363
INTERVIEWER
Really good.
1262
01:08:35,028 --> 01:08:36,320
OK, end board
1263
01:08:37,195 --> 01:08:40,206
I'm so sorry we are
very, very tired.
1264
01:08:40,237 --> 01:08:46,166
You know, so you have...
they've told you how old we are
1265
01:08:46,198 --> 01:08:47,075
haven't they?
1266
01:08:47,115 --> 01:08:48,536
INTERVI EWER:
I've been informed.
1267
01:08:48,573 --> 01:08:52,165
Nobody's told how old.
I'm not telling anybody.
1268
01:08:56,034 --> 01:08:58,203
INDISTINCT CHATTER
1269
01:09:09,787 --> 01:09:12,123
Do you think we ought to have
a glass of Champagne
1270
01:09:12,163 --> 01:09:13,374
round this one?
1271
01:09:13,414 --> 01:09:15,500
God, I could kill it
- Yes.
1272
01:09:15,540 --> 01:09:17,838
I think it's far too late.
1273
01:09:17,873 --> 01:09:20,968
Why didn't anybody think
of that a few hours ago?
1274
01:09:24,834 --> 01:09:28,011
Dame Ede had speaking teeth
and eating teeth.
1275
01:09:29,543 --> 01:09:32,127
And she used to go home
with her speaking teeth in
1276
01:09:32,169 --> 01:09:33,841
am when ph@1m@ am my
1277
01:09:33,878 --> 01:09:37,967
'You'll have to go and get my teeth
because I'm very hungry.'
1278
01:09:39,588 --> 01:09:41,389
She'd left them in
the dressing room?
1279
01:09:41,422 --> 01:09:44,185
Yes. So Diggy had to go and get them
from the dressing room...
1280
01:09:44,214 --> 01:09:46,218
Teeth? Did you say teeth?
1281
01:09:46,257 --> 01:09:49,386
She used to have speaking teeth
and eating teeth.
1282
01:09:50,507 --> 01:09:52,097
EILEEN:
And we think we're in trouble.
1283
01:09:52,133 --> 01:09:54,386
I mean, two lots of teeth
- MAGGIE: I know!
1284
01:09:55,592 --> 01:09:57,761
A handing?
1285
01:09:58,093 --> 01:10:01,354
She was always saying
'I am so lonely.'
1286
01:10:01,802 --> 01:10:03,392
Well, I know the feeling.
1287
01:10:04,262 --> 01:10:05,684
Don't you?
- Yeah.
1288
01:10:05,721 --> 01:10:07,272
Yes.
- But I...
1289
01:10:07,303 --> 01:10:09,556
But now, this is what I'm saying
the awful thing is...
1290
01:10:10,346 --> 01:10:13,809
I used to think awful things
about Dame Ede.
1291
01:10:13,848 --> 01:10:15,898
JOAN: Yeah.
- And I don't now.
1292
01:10:16,514 --> 01:10:18,316
CORK POPS
- JUDI: Oh, my goodness.
1293
01:10:18,891 --> 01:10:20,313
MAGGIE:
Are we doing anything?
1294
01:10:21,224 --> 01:10:22,482
We're drinking Champagne.
1295
01:10:22,517 --> 01:10:24,852
It's always worrying when you see
these guys, so look at them
1296
01:10:25,476 --> 01:10:26,982
sneaking up on you
- Look, look, look.
1297
01:10:27,018 --> 01:10:28,026
We have to have a sip.
1298
01:10:28,810 --> 01:10:30,980
Listen, listen.
- Are we talking?
1299
01:10:32,353 --> 01:10:34,108
MAGGIE:
What would you like to talk about?
1300
01:10:34,145 --> 01:10:35,697
No, I meant are we on yet?
1301
01:10:35,729 --> 01:10:37,946
We're waiting for Roger to shout
- Are we on yet?
1302
01:10:37,980 --> 01:10:40,362
Yeah, they never stop
- They never stop.
1303
01:10:40,397 --> 01:10:42,151
Oh, they never stop?
- Cheers to everybody.
1304
01:10:42,189 --> 01:10:43,695
EILEEN: To us
- Thank you.
1305
01:10:43,731 --> 01:10:45,022
To you, everyone
1306
01:10:45,690 --> 01:10:47,492
What?
- You're not having any.
1307
01:10:49,566 --> 01:10:52,778
Who?
- We're drinking our Champagne, Joan.
1308
01:10:52,817 --> 01:10:54,074
Alright)'
1309
01:10:57,985 --> 01:11:01,365
INTERVIEWER: What would your
advice be to your young selves?
1310
01:11:02,154 --> 01:11:04,998
Oh... Christ.
1311
01:11:05,237 --> 01:11:06,623
II mum my...
1312
01:11:08,071 --> 01:11:15,659
Get in touch with yoga or mindfulness
at quite an early age.
1313
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:19,791
And learn about the brain
1314
01:11:20,616 --> 01:11:24,670
and what influence it has
on the body.
1315
01:11:24,701 --> 01:11:30,830
All those things that I've come
to be interested in later on in life
1316
01:11:30,869 --> 01:11:33,170
and could have done with doing earlier.
1317
01:11:34,786 --> 01:11:37,039
And I think Joan kind of leads...
1318
01:11:40,747 --> 01:11:44,208
ls a version of mine,
which I would say not to be
1319
01:11:45,123 --> 01:11:50,174
so very bad tempered
and confrontational.
1320
01:11:52,459 --> 01:11:53,549
JOAN:
Mm-hm.
1321
01:11:54,543 --> 01:11:56,012
And listen more.
1322
01:12:01,253 --> 01:12:02,463
WM, me?
1323
01:12:02,504 --> 01:12:03,380
EILEEN
Yes.
1324
01:12:05,254 --> 01:12:06,926
Honest to God I don't know
1325
01:12:07,754 --> 01:12:10,007
because most likely I wouldn't
be listening.
1326
01:12:10,631 --> 01:12:15,384
But I would say, when in doubt
don't.
1327
01:12:16,257 --> 01:12:17,182
:
Hm.
1328
01:12:18,175 --> 01:12:19,680
EILEEN:
That's good
1329
01:12:19,717 --> 01:12:21,388
I think I would.
1330
01:12:21,426 --> 01:12:23,310
It should be a motto, that.
1331
01:12:23,342 --> 01:12:25,512
I wish I knew the Latin of it.
1332
01:12:26,260 --> 01:12:28,809
What, 'When in doubt'?
- When in doubt, don't.
1333
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:31,928
Jude.
1334
01:12:34,304 --> 01:12:38,773
I would say, try not to be so
susceptible to falling in love.
1335
01:12:39,806 --> 01:12:42,271
Quite so pathetic.
1336
01:12:42,723 --> 01:12:44,145
THEY LAUGH
1337
01:12:44,182 --> 01:12:45,355
BLEEN
Jude!
1338
01:12:50,101 --> 01:12:52,400
EILEEN:
No, be more susceptible.
1339
01:12:52,433 --> 01:12:53,477
No.
1340
01:12:54,267 --> 01:12:55,691
MAGGIE:
Less susceptible.
1341
01:12:59,728 --> 01:13:01,316
Well, whatever it is
1342
01:13:02,311 --> 01:13:03,781
it's too late.
1343
01:13:06,813 --> 01:13:08,651
What else? What else?
1344
01:13:08,689 --> 01:13:11,700
Somebody said it's too late.
- MAGGIE: I said it's too late.
1345
01:13:13,232 --> 01:13:14,903
Oh, it's never too late.
1346
01:13:14,940 --> 01:13:16,446
MAGGIE:
Oh, do stop, Joan.
1347
01:13:17,150 --> 01:13:19,616
You know it is.
- It's never too late to fall in love.
1348
01:13:25,569 --> 01:13:27,703
What is that out of'?
1349
01:13:27,736 --> 01:13:30,996
The Boyfriend?
-
The Salad Days, isn't
it?
1350
01:13:31,028 --> 01:13:33,281
Oh, is it The Boyfriend?
-
No, I
don't know.
1351
01:13:33,321 --> 01:13:35,324
JUDI:
I think The Boyfr/endit is, is it?
1352
01:13:35,446 --> 01:13:37,082
MUSIC: "Cello Suite No. 1"
by JS Bach
1353
01:13:38,448 --> 01:13:39,869
Oh, I'm so sorry.
1354
01:14:21,792 --> 01:14:25,966
You wrote criticisms of Laurence...
1355
01:14:27,378 --> 01:14:29,843
When you were at school,
you didn't think much of his...
1356
01:14:29,878 --> 01:14:32,095
Oh, I'd wrote to my parents, yes
1357
01:14:32,754 --> 01:14:34,971
He was Hamlet and...
1358
01:14:36,130 --> 01:14:38,596
yes, I had seen
Michael Redgrave first.
1359
01:14:41,757 --> 01:14:45,302
I wrote and said Laurence Olivier
was a bit ham.
1360
01:14:45,924 --> 01:14:47,726
Yeah.
- Hammy.
1361
01:14:47,757 --> 01:14:49,145
Did you ever tell him?
1362
01:14:49,509 --> 01:14:52,058
No, I didn't actually, no.
1363
01:14:52,968 --> 01:14:56,679
No, because, you know,
when you're in the throes of love
1364
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:00,347
and swept off your feet, you don't
- No, I meant later, Joan.
1365
01:15:01,888 --> 01:15:04,733
I don't think I did later.
1366
01:15:05,722 --> 01:15:08,437
No, I'm sure I didn't.
1367
01:15:09,681 --> 01:15:11,353
JUDI:
Did you see him as Henry V?
1368
01:15:12,307 --> 01:15:14,726
I can remember being taken
in Plymouth to see it.
1369
01:15:17,516 --> 01:15:19,816
I just loved it.
I remember it so clearly.
1370
01:15:19,851 --> 01:15:22,104
I wrote to him apparently
1371
01:15:22,685 --> 01:15:27,071
and Tamsin found a school girl
diary of mine
1372
01:15:27,727 --> 01:15:30,905
which said,
Got a letter back from LO
1373
01:15:30,938 --> 01:15:33,735
You see, that's what I was saying
1374
01:15:33,772 --> 01:15:36,901
That's what you was saying
not writing to my parents.
1375
01:15:36,938 --> 01:15:38,196
MAGGIE
No.
1376
01:15:39,357 --> 01:15:40,400
Yes
1377
01:15:40,732 --> 01:15:43,909
That was saying how much
I'd loved it, of course.
1378
01:15:44,358 --> 01:15:45,911
JUDI:
Have you got the letter?
1379
01:15:45,943 --> 01:15:47,114
MAGGIE:
So it was a fan letter?
1380
01:15:47,150 --> 01:15:50,991
Yes, it was a fan letter
and I got this letter back
1381
01:15:51,027 --> 01:15:53,361
which I know now was
from Dorothy Welford.
1382
01:15:53,402 --> 01:15:54,695
THEY LAUGH
1383
01:15:54,737 --> 01:15:56,574
mm “
1384
01:15:58,236 --> 01:15:59,991
With a stamped
1385
01:16:03,322 --> 01:16:05,656
Which thousands of school girls got.
1386
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,417
I know Maggie had a tough time
with him on occasions.
1387
01:16:11,449 --> 01:16:14,461
Well, we do know that
- Oh, no, come on.
1388
01:16:14,492 --> 01:16:16,661
No tougher than with a lot of actors.
1389
01:16:16,700 --> 01:16:19,711
No, you were also, you know...
1390
01:16:19,952 --> 01:16:24,171
my kids called on you when I was away
1391
01:16:24,203 --> 01:16:26,123
when he was suddenly taken ill again.
1392
01:16:26,703 --> 01:16:29,881
You came round and held his hand.
1393
01:16:29,913 --> 01:16:33,623
Yes.
- You did, in my absence
1394
01:16:33,664 --> 01:16:35,667
This hand held the hand.
1395
01:16:35,706 --> 01:16:37,460
JOAN LAUGHS
Yes.
1396
01:16:38,332 --> 01:16:41,710
EILEEN: I remember him saying to me,
I had a bit in Semi-Detached
1397
01:16:41,749 --> 01:16:45,128
where I had to go off stage,
run upstairs, run down again
1398
01:16:45,166 --> 01:16:46,506
and come on stage.
1399
01:16:46,542 --> 01:16:51,011
And he said to me,
'You're always a fraction late
1400
01:16:51,461 --> 01:16:53,630
And I said,
'Well, that's how long it takes me.
1401
01:16:53,670 --> 01:16:56,347
I do it as quickly as I can
to run up the stairs
1402
01:16:56,378 --> 01:16:58,050
outside the door and down again
1403
01:16:58,087 --> 01:17:01,217
And he said, 'My dear, it's an illusion.
1404
01:17:01,255 --> 01:17:04,182
You don't have to run up the stairs'.
1405
01:17:05,297 --> 01:17:09,803
I remember going to see a play
in New York with an English actor
1406
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,550
when the notices had paid a lot of
attention to a great cry
1407
01:17:13,591 --> 01:17:15,891
he did at the end of the second act
or something
1408
01:17:15,925 --> 01:17:18,605
and the night we were there
it didn't happen
1409
01:17:18,634 --> 01:17:20,852
and we went round to see
him and said
1410
01:17:20,885 --> 01:17:22,438
you know, 'Where was it?'
1411
01:17:22,886 --> 01:17:25,387
He said 'I felt I couldn't reach it
1412
01:17:26,011 --> 01:17:28,644
and I didn't want to
give the audience a lie.
1413
01:17:30,054 --> 01:17:31,145
JUDI:
Oh my.
1414
01:17:31,180 --> 01:17:32,816
But then I said well, you know
1415
01:17:32,847 --> 01:17:35,265
'The whole thing from
beginning to end is a lie
1416
01:17:35,306 --> 01:17:38,436
After all, Hamlet does get up
and take a curtail call.
1417
01:17:39,474 --> 01:17:41,644
So there was a whole argument
going on then.
1418
01:17:43,100 --> 01:17:45,352
Oh, well, maybe you should just
try the cry
1419
01:17:45,391 --> 01:17:47,609
whether you're in the mood or not.
1420
01:17:47,643 --> 01:17:49,363
You should be in the mood
is the answer.
1421
01:17:49,393 --> 01:17:50,520
It's acting
1422
01:17:51,394 --> 01:17:52,946
You find the way
1423
01:17:52,977 --> 01:17:53,985
Yes
1424
01:17:55,103 --> 01:17:58,197
To make it happen
and appear spontaneous.
1425
01:17:59,188 --> 01:18:04,321
And that's the difference between
actual truth and illusion.
1426
01:18:08,399 --> 01:18:10,237
BIRDS SING OUTSIDE
1427
01:18:21,944 --> 01:18:23,070
mm.
1428
01:18:25,153 --> 01:18:26,624
I'm lost for words.
1429
01:18:26,654 --> 01:18:28,622
MAGGIE:
I have nothing left to say.
1430
01:18:33,197 --> 01:18:35,201
CROWD CHEERS
1431
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,287
MUSIC: "Honky Tonk Women"
by The Rolling Stones
1432
01:18:57,246 --> 01:19:01,963
# I met a gin-soaked,
bar-room queen in Memphis
1433
01:19:05,832 --> 01:19:11,296
# She tried to take me upstairs
for a ride
1434
01:19:14,375 --> 01:19:19,592
# She had to heave me
right across shoulder
1435
01:19:22,586 --> 01:19:27,756
# Cause I just can't seem
to drink you off my mind
1436
01:19:31,005 --> 01:19:36,388
# It's the honky tonk women
1437
01:19:39,965 --> 01:19:44,186
# Gimme, gimme, gimme
the honky tonk blues
#
1438
01:20:08,682 --> 01:20:10,603
JUDI:
Our revels now are ended.
1439
01:20:11,392 --> 01:20:14,023
These our actors as I foretold you
1440
01:20:14,685 --> 01:20:18,477
were all spirits and are melted
into air?
1441
01:20:19,310 --> 01:20:21,112
Into thin air?
1442
01:20:22,687 --> 01:20:25,484
And like the baseless fabric
of this vision
1443
01:20:26,521 --> 01:20:28,773
the cloud-capped towers
1444
01:20:28,813 --> 01:20:32,654
the gorgeous palaces,
the solemn temples
1445
01:20:32,690 --> 01:20:34,492
the great globe itself
1446
01:20:35,149 --> 01:20:39,571
yea all which it inherit
shall dissolve.
1447
01:20:40,734 --> 01:20:44,444
And like this insubstantial
pageant faded
1448
01:20:45,402 --> 01:20:48,282
leave not a rack behind.
1449
01:20:50,861 --> 01:20:53,541
We are such stuff as dreams
are made on
1450
01:20:55,113 --> 01:20:59,037
and our little life
is rounded with a sleep
1451
01:21:08,908 --> 01:21:10,994
I hope you're getting
the others to do this.
1452
01:21:11,034 --> 01:21:12,705
ROGER: Yes, we are
- Roger.
1453
01:21:12,742 --> 01:21:14,663
For you, I promise
1454
01:21:14,702 --> 01:21:16,372
You swear?
1455
01:21:16,410 --> 01:21:17,702
I swear.
- You swear?
1456
01:21:17,743 --> 01:21:19,036
I swear
1457
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:24,460
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
1458
01:21:24,496 --> 01:21:27,672
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
Dame Judi Dench.
1459
01:21:27,704 --> 01:21:30,586
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
Dame Judi Dench.
1460
01:21:30,622 --> 01:21:33,255
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
Dame Judi Dench.
1461
01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:35,295
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
1462
01:21:35,332 --> 01:21:38,842
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
Jane Doobie Dench.
1463
01:21:38,875 --> 01:21:40,463
SHE LAUGHS
1464
01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:42,469
I like Jane Doobie Jench.
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