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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,401 --> 00:00:02,636 DONNELL: Previously on The Practice... 2 00:00:02,669 --> 00:00:03,804 Is this all of it? 3 00:00:03,837 --> 00:00:05,972 This is every penny I can get my hands on. 4 00:00:06,006 --> 00:00:07,107 Oh! 5 00:00:07,140 --> 00:00:08,208 You got till tomorrow. 6 00:00:09,543 --> 00:00:12,445 Twelve thousand on number four to win. 7 00:00:12,478 --> 00:00:14,648 Go get them, baby! Go get them, go! 8 00:00:17,317 --> 00:00:18,318 (breathing heavily) 9 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:21,755 I won. 10 00:00:21,788 --> 00:00:23,590 I got in a jam with a bookie. 11 00:00:23,624 --> 00:00:25,592 I borrowed money for, like, seven hours. 12 00:00:25,626 --> 00:00:28,629 You took from a client's trust fund. That's theft. 13 00:00:28,662 --> 00:00:31,932 We're required to notify the client and the bar. 14 00:00:31,965 --> 00:00:34,134 If I don't, this whole firm could get disbarred. 15 00:00:34,701 --> 00:00:36,402 I can't even believe they're letting him out. 16 00:00:36,436 --> 00:00:38,238 Remember, he was never actually charged 17 00:00:38,271 --> 00:00:40,406 in the kidnapping of your son. 18 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:41,675 The police know he did it. 19 00:00:41,708 --> 00:00:43,009 They just couldn't prove it. 20 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:45,478 RICHARD: Plus, he's a convicted child molester. 21 00:00:45,946 --> 00:00:48,515 What, exactly, are you hiring me to do? 22 00:00:48,549 --> 00:00:50,951 We want to bury our son. 23 00:00:50,984 --> 00:00:52,919 Only he knows where the body is. 24 00:00:52,953 --> 00:00:55,121 Wrongful death for a murder 25 00:00:55,155 --> 00:00:57,390 that took place 18 years ago? 26 00:00:57,423 --> 00:00:58,825 They want closure. 27 00:00:58,859 --> 00:01:00,794 If I can create the threat of a lawsuit, 28 00:01:00,827 --> 00:01:02,395 maybe we can get this guy to reveal 29 00:01:02,428 --> 00:01:03,496 where the remains are. 30 00:01:03,530 --> 00:01:04,531 I didn't do it. 31 00:01:04,565 --> 00:01:05,799 Like you never molested 32 00:01:05,832 --> 00:01:08,001 those three little boys who put you in here? 33 00:01:08,034 --> 00:01:11,104 I had nothing to do with that Baldwin kid 34 00:01:11,137 --> 00:01:12,138 going missing. 35 00:01:12,172 --> 00:01:14,007 Have your attorney call me. 36 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,476 You never did see him abduct your son, did you? 37 00:01:16,510 --> 00:01:17,744 I didn't see it, but-- 38 00:01:17,778 --> 00:01:19,312 LIGHTSTONE: So it could have been somebody else. 39 00:01:19,345 --> 00:01:20,747 Nobody else was near Chad. 40 00:01:20,781 --> 00:01:23,517 Can you account for such a coincidence 41 00:01:23,550 --> 00:01:25,886 a soon-to-be-convicted child molester 42 00:01:25,919 --> 00:01:28,454 is within 50 feet of a child 43 00:01:28,488 --> 00:01:31,057 at the exact time he's kidnapped? 44 00:01:31,091 --> 00:01:31,958 LIGHTSTONE: Objection. 45 00:01:31,992 --> 00:01:33,994 I'm going to let this case go forward, 46 00:01:34,027 --> 00:01:35,729 but, Mr. Donnell, if you don't come up with more, 47 00:01:35,762 --> 00:01:37,964 I will be dismissing it at a later date. 48 00:01:38,632 --> 00:01:39,332 Mr. Donnell? 49 00:01:39,365 --> 00:01:40,466 Yes. 50 00:01:40,501 --> 00:01:43,036 I think I may be Chad Baldwin. 51 00:01:51,377 --> 00:01:53,079 What makes you think you're Chad Baldwin? 52 00:01:53,113 --> 00:01:56,482 I think my mother can answer that better than I can. 53 00:01:56,517 --> 00:01:58,451 However, I want your assurance 54 00:01:58,484 --> 00:02:00,220 that she's not going to get in any trouble. 55 00:02:00,754 --> 00:02:01,888 Why would she? 56 00:02:02,488 --> 00:02:06,359 JAMES: Um, the man who kidnapped Chad Baldwin... 57 00:02:06,392 --> 00:02:07,861 the man that you sued... 58 00:02:07,894 --> 00:02:09,229 John Pierce. 59 00:02:09,262 --> 00:02:11,532 He's the man who gave me to my mother. 60 00:02:13,266 --> 00:02:15,669 ALLISON: In Brockton, in 1983. 61 00:02:15,702 --> 00:02:19,039 It was the same year that the Baldwins' child disappeared. 62 00:02:19,072 --> 00:02:21,307 He wasn't using the same name then-- 63 00:02:21,341 --> 00:02:23,677 But gave you a child? 64 00:02:23,710 --> 00:02:25,045 Why didn't you go to the police? 65 00:02:25,078 --> 00:02:27,480 Because he told her I was his son. 66 00:02:27,514 --> 00:02:30,350 He asked me to watch James for a few days 67 00:02:30,383 --> 00:02:32,118 while he went out of town. 68 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,355 He never came back. 69 00:02:35,388 --> 00:02:36,890 FRUTT: Excuse me. 70 00:02:36,923 --> 00:02:38,759 Chad's picture was all over the news for weeks. 71 00:02:38,792 --> 00:02:41,027 How could you not have known he had been kidnapped? 72 00:02:41,061 --> 00:02:43,630 JAMES: She didn't, and we're not here for you 73 00:02:43,664 --> 00:02:45,465 to cross-examine her like she's a criminal. 74 00:02:45,498 --> 00:02:47,668 ALLISON: I never watch television. 75 00:02:47,701 --> 00:02:49,503 I didn't even own one at the time. 76 00:02:49,536 --> 00:02:51,938 I know that seems hard to believe, but... 77 00:02:53,339 --> 00:02:55,275 I wasn't hiding him. 78 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:57,711 You will have to talk to the police. 79 00:02:58,512 --> 00:02:59,479 FRUTT: And probably talk 80 00:02:59,513 --> 00:03:00,947 to the district attorney as well. 81 00:03:00,981 --> 00:03:02,549 I know, 82 00:03:02,583 --> 00:03:04,317 and I know I should have gone to them 83 00:03:04,350 --> 00:03:06,687 18 years ago. 84 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,388 Whatever I did wrong, 85 00:03:08,421 --> 00:03:11,858 I am willing to accept the consequences. 86 00:03:12,893 --> 00:03:15,095 Now that I realize who he is 87 00:03:15,128 --> 00:03:17,263 and what the Baldwins have gone through... 88 00:03:19,633 --> 00:03:21,768 And this is why you're coming forward? 89 00:03:21,802 --> 00:03:24,805 ALLISON: That, and because James has the right 90 00:03:24,838 --> 00:03:26,807 to know his birth parents. 91 00:03:29,643 --> 00:03:32,579 Do you even remember John Pierce? 92 00:03:33,413 --> 00:03:34,848 No, no, I don't even remember 93 00:03:34,881 --> 00:03:37,651 being Chad Baldwin. 94 00:03:37,684 --> 00:03:38,952 And you're really sure you are? 95 00:03:41,888 --> 00:03:45,559 JAMES: A picture of my mother with John Pierce. 96 00:03:45,592 --> 00:03:48,061 She always told me that he was my father, 97 00:03:49,796 --> 00:03:52,766 and then I saw the news, 98 00:03:52,799 --> 00:03:55,135 and he's not my father. 99 00:03:55,168 --> 00:03:57,203 I'm the boy he kidnapped. 100 00:04:05,546 --> 00:04:08,481 (music playing) 101 00:04:50,957 --> 00:04:52,192 RICHARD: Are you sure? 102 00:04:52,225 --> 00:04:54,494 FRUTT: No, we're not sure. 103 00:04:54,528 --> 00:04:56,597 That's why we need you to take a blood test. 104 00:04:56,630 --> 00:04:58,364 We've already taken his and-- 105 00:04:58,398 --> 00:05:00,233 He thought Pierce was his father? 106 00:05:00,266 --> 00:05:02,402 Until a few days ago, yes. 107 00:05:02,435 --> 00:05:04,738 And the woman said she got him from Pierce? 108 00:05:04,771 --> 00:05:07,273 DONNELL: Yes. Richard, Jenny, 109 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:10,310 there was a lot of news coverage on this. 110 00:05:10,343 --> 00:05:11,845 occasionally, there are people 111 00:05:11,878 --> 00:05:13,914 who will try to take advantage of a situation, 112 00:05:13,947 --> 00:05:16,182 no matter how tragic. 113 00:05:16,216 --> 00:05:18,752 By pretending to be our son? 114 00:05:18,785 --> 00:05:20,353 FRUTT: We don't know. 115 00:05:21,021 --> 00:05:22,488 You have money. 116 00:05:22,523 --> 00:05:24,758 That's why we want to take the blood test. 117 00:05:25,726 --> 00:05:26,693 RICHARD: He must think 118 00:05:26,727 --> 00:05:28,161 there's a good chance he's Chad, 119 00:05:28,194 --> 00:05:29,229 or he wouldn't have come. 120 00:05:29,262 --> 00:05:31,231 We're exploring the possibilities. 121 00:05:32,432 --> 00:05:33,834 When can I see him? 122 00:05:33,867 --> 00:05:35,736 DONNELL: Let us check things out first. 123 00:05:35,769 --> 00:05:37,571 If he isn't Chad, we don't want your disappointment 124 00:05:37,604 --> 00:05:39,640 to be any greater than it has to be. 125 00:05:39,673 --> 00:05:41,875 My wife and I are very good at dealing 126 00:05:41,908 --> 00:05:43,076 with disappointment. 127 00:05:43,810 --> 00:05:45,779 We've had years of practice. 128 00:05:45,812 --> 00:05:47,147 We don't need you to decide 129 00:05:47,180 --> 00:05:48,749 how much we can take. 130 00:05:48,782 --> 00:05:52,252 We'll do the blood test and go from there. 131 00:05:56,489 --> 00:05:57,791 Anybody who knows this woman, 132 00:05:57,824 --> 00:05:59,359 knew her, knew somebody who knows her 133 00:05:59,392 --> 00:06:00,961 we need to support her testimony. 134 00:06:00,994 --> 00:06:02,763 Otherwise, it will be her word against Pierce's. 135 00:06:02,796 --> 00:06:03,897 I'm on it. Lindsay, if you could stay 136 00:06:03,930 --> 00:06:05,065 on the lab. They've only had 137 00:06:05,098 --> 00:06:06,032 the blood an hour. They could test it 138 00:06:06,066 --> 00:06:08,802 in 20 minutes and be 99% sure. 139 00:06:08,835 --> 00:06:09,870 They still in my office? 140 00:06:09,903 --> 00:06:11,371 DOLE: Waiting. Come on, Ellenor. 141 00:06:18,378 --> 00:06:19,880 Bobby or Eugene here? 142 00:06:19,913 --> 00:06:21,081 Bobby's in a meeting, 143 00:06:21,114 --> 00:06:23,249 but Eugene's in his office. 144 00:06:27,253 --> 00:06:29,055 BERLUTI: Can I talk to you a second? 145 00:06:39,966 --> 00:06:41,768 I, uh... 146 00:06:41,802 --> 00:06:44,871 I've joined Gamblers Anonymous. 147 00:06:44,905 --> 00:06:47,440 I go to three meetings a week. 148 00:06:47,473 --> 00:06:49,976 I'm also going to a regular therapist. 149 00:06:50,010 --> 00:06:54,214 So I feel confident that I'll be okay. 150 00:06:55,516 --> 00:06:56,617 Good. 151 00:06:58,619 --> 00:07:01,021 I'd like to apologize to the firm. 152 00:07:01,054 --> 00:07:03,156 I was thinking-- That can't happen. 153 00:07:03,189 --> 00:07:05,358 Rest of the people here don't even know, Jimmy. 154 00:07:05,391 --> 00:07:07,628 Should they know, they become obligated by law 155 00:07:07,661 --> 00:07:10,731 to report you. I guess what I'm saying, 156 00:07:10,764 --> 00:07:12,699 I'm willing to accept it 157 00:07:12,733 --> 00:07:15,068 if that's what anybody chooses to do. 158 00:07:15,101 --> 00:07:18,271 But nobody will choose to do it. That's the problem. 159 00:07:18,304 --> 00:07:20,006 They'll keep your secret and be potentially liable 160 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,074 for doing so. 161 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:23,143 If you really want to protect them here, 162 00:07:23,176 --> 00:07:24,678 do not tell. 163 00:07:25,779 --> 00:07:26,780 Okay. 164 00:07:29,883 --> 00:07:32,553 Are we okay? 165 00:07:32,586 --> 00:07:34,054 You and me? 166 00:07:39,860 --> 00:07:41,595 Do I forgive you? 167 00:07:41,628 --> 00:07:43,129 Yes. 168 00:07:43,163 --> 00:07:45,766 Am I here to help you any way I can? 169 00:07:45,799 --> 00:07:47,801 Maybe. 170 00:07:47,834 --> 00:07:51,638 But are we okay, like everything's back to normal? 171 00:07:51,672 --> 00:07:52,673 No. 172 00:07:55,375 --> 00:07:57,310 I don't trust you as much. 173 00:08:00,847 --> 00:08:02,983 Well... 174 00:08:03,016 --> 00:08:04,951 that's a pretty big loss. 175 00:08:04,985 --> 00:08:07,120 YOUNG: Yes, it is, 176 00:08:07,153 --> 00:08:08,421 and, Jimmy... 177 00:08:09,890 --> 00:08:11,324 it's not just yours. 178 00:08:14,094 --> 00:08:16,396 That ever occur to you? 179 00:08:20,033 --> 00:08:21,835 DONNELL: The thing is, 180 00:08:21,868 --> 00:08:25,238 The police will want to talk to you. 181 00:08:25,271 --> 00:08:26,472 Why do they even have to find out? 182 00:08:26,507 --> 00:08:28,509 If you're really Chad Baldwin, 183 00:08:28,542 --> 00:08:29,943 it will get out. 184 00:08:29,976 --> 00:08:33,714 A kidnapped child comes back after 18 years? 185 00:08:33,747 --> 00:08:35,115 This will eventually get out. 186 00:08:35,949 --> 00:08:37,684 And you are going to be considered a suspect. 187 00:08:38,118 --> 00:08:39,119 You kept the child. 188 00:08:39,152 --> 00:08:40,821 you never contacted the police. 189 00:08:40,854 --> 00:08:43,256 You will certainly be considered an accessory. 190 00:08:43,289 --> 00:08:45,091 I thought he was Pierce's son. 191 00:08:45,125 --> 00:08:47,427 FRUTT: Yes, and assuming that's true, 192 00:08:47,460 --> 00:08:50,130 if you try to be sneaky about this now, 193 00:08:50,163 --> 00:08:52,298 you will lose all credibility with the police 194 00:08:52,332 --> 00:08:54,167 when they come to ask you questions, 195 00:08:54,868 --> 00:08:58,004 and they will come. 196 00:08:58,038 --> 00:08:59,940 So what are you suggesting we do? 197 00:08:59,973 --> 00:09:02,609 DONNELL: Assuming you are Chad Baldwin, 198 00:09:02,643 --> 00:09:05,812 I'd like to go to the district attorney's office. 199 00:09:05,846 --> 00:09:07,280 I think we can make a deal. 200 00:09:08,615 --> 00:09:11,518 I'm hopeful they'll give you immunity. 201 00:09:11,552 --> 00:09:14,020 And what would I have to give them? 202 00:09:14,054 --> 00:09:15,856 John Pierce. 203 00:09:15,889 --> 00:09:17,724 You can put him away. 204 00:09:19,793 --> 00:09:21,928 Can you promise she'll be protected? 205 00:09:25,165 --> 00:09:26,166 No. 206 00:09:28,669 --> 00:09:30,170 Bobby, line 2. 207 00:09:30,203 --> 00:09:31,437 It's the lab. 208 00:09:31,471 --> 00:09:34,407 (music playing) 209 00:09:39,479 --> 00:09:41,815 Bobby Donnell. 210 00:09:44,585 --> 00:09:47,487 Send me the report. 211 00:09:47,521 --> 00:09:49,255 Thank you. 212 00:09:53,326 --> 00:09:55,228 Well, it seems you're Chad Baldwin. 213 00:10:03,069 --> 00:10:05,506 The blood test is conclusive. 214 00:10:05,539 --> 00:10:06,807 It's him. 215 00:10:08,041 --> 00:10:09,676 He's your son. 216 00:10:10,577 --> 00:10:12,546 Oh, my god. 217 00:10:12,579 --> 00:10:14,781 We found our son. 218 00:10:24,257 --> 00:10:25,726 When can we see him? 219 00:10:25,759 --> 00:10:28,028 He says he'd like to do it at the office. 220 00:10:28,061 --> 00:10:29,996 I need to sit down. I'm shaking. 221 00:10:35,936 --> 00:10:37,871 RICHARD: And this woman is willing to testify 222 00:10:37,904 --> 00:10:39,272 against Pierce? 223 00:10:39,305 --> 00:10:41,508 We can finally put him behind bars? 224 00:10:41,542 --> 00:10:43,143 DONNELL: I think she'd like to, 225 00:10:43,176 --> 00:10:44,377 but she could change her mind 226 00:10:44,410 --> 00:10:45,546 and take the fifth. 227 00:10:45,579 --> 00:10:46,780 Why would she do that? 228 00:10:46,813 --> 00:10:48,181 She came forward. 229 00:10:48,214 --> 00:10:50,250 James is afraid 230 00:10:50,283 --> 00:10:52,118 she might be charged with something. 231 00:10:52,152 --> 00:10:53,754 James? 232 00:10:53,787 --> 00:10:55,622 That's his name. 233 00:10:58,659 --> 00:11:00,060 Here's what we want. 234 00:11:02,028 --> 00:11:04,364 We want our son back, 235 00:11:04,397 --> 00:11:05,365 and we want the man 236 00:11:05,398 --> 00:11:07,467 who kidnapped him punished. 237 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:10,303 And you're willing to not punish her? 238 00:11:10,336 --> 00:11:12,138 DONNELL: I'd like to go to the D. A. 239 00:11:12,172 --> 00:11:13,173 And tell her the two of you 240 00:11:13,206 --> 00:11:14,407 the victims are in favor 241 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:15,776 of granting Allison Tucker 242 00:11:15,809 --> 00:11:17,844 some kind of immunity. 243 00:11:17,878 --> 00:11:20,313 We could get you and your son reunited 244 00:11:20,346 --> 00:11:24,150 and put Mr. Pierce back in prison. 245 00:11:24,184 --> 00:11:25,652 Let's do that. 246 00:11:33,994 --> 00:11:36,530 GAMBLE: 90% of the people who walk into my office 247 00:11:36,563 --> 00:11:37,898 promising me a conviction 248 00:11:37,931 --> 00:11:39,299 in exchange for immunity 249 00:11:39,332 --> 00:11:41,401 are a lot more involved than they admit. 250 00:11:41,434 --> 00:11:43,436 And I'll bet 90% of that 90% 251 00:11:43,469 --> 00:11:44,505 are people who know 252 00:11:44,538 --> 00:11:45,706 they're about to be picked up. 253 00:11:45,739 --> 00:11:47,207 Allison Tucker would have never been 254 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,809 prosecuted on anything. 255 00:11:48,842 --> 00:11:51,111 You're asking me to make a blind bid. 256 00:11:51,144 --> 00:11:53,279 The Baldwins support it. 257 00:11:54,548 --> 00:11:55,649 If the victims of the crime 258 00:11:55,682 --> 00:11:57,217 want to give this woman immunity 259 00:11:57,250 --> 00:11:58,451 and help you convict the man 260 00:11:58,484 --> 00:12:00,486 we both know is responsible, 261 00:12:00,521 --> 00:12:02,589 Helen, where's the downside? 262 00:12:02,623 --> 00:12:04,591 Yeah, I need more. 263 00:12:05,491 --> 00:12:06,860 I'll make a proffer 264 00:12:06,893 --> 00:12:09,129 that she can put John Pierce 265 00:12:09,162 --> 00:12:11,532 with Chad Baldwin in 1983. 266 00:12:11,565 --> 00:12:13,499 You've never had that. 267 00:12:13,534 --> 00:12:16,336 Add that to the existing circumstantial evidence-- 268 00:12:16,369 --> 00:12:18,939 Put them together how? Is she an eyewitness? 269 00:12:18,972 --> 00:12:20,707 Yes. 270 00:12:20,741 --> 00:12:22,408 On several occasions. 271 00:12:25,812 --> 00:12:27,213 She raised the kid. 272 00:12:27,247 --> 00:12:29,516 If you don't give her immunity, 273 00:12:29,550 --> 00:12:30,684 you know what will happen. 274 00:12:30,717 --> 00:12:32,218 She'll take the fifth. 275 00:12:32,252 --> 00:12:34,688 Her son will refuse to testify against her, 276 00:12:34,721 --> 00:12:37,791 and you will be left with what the blind man saw. 277 00:12:39,359 --> 00:12:41,161 I'll give her queen for the day. 278 00:12:41,194 --> 00:12:42,696 If I buy her story, 279 00:12:42,729 --> 00:12:45,131 I'll give her accessory after the fact. 280 00:12:45,165 --> 00:12:46,567 Nice try. 281 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,301 Accessory. 282 00:12:48,334 --> 00:12:50,637 I'll agree to no time if I buy her story. 283 00:12:50,671 --> 00:12:52,338 If I don't, no deal. 284 00:12:57,778 --> 00:12:58,779 Thank you. 285 00:13:01,948 --> 00:13:02,949 You okay? 286 00:13:04,117 --> 00:13:05,786 Yeah. 287 00:13:05,819 --> 00:13:07,453 It's just kind of hitting me. 288 00:13:07,487 --> 00:13:09,890 My whole life, I... 289 00:13:09,923 --> 00:13:12,058 I thought my father was this Pierce man. 290 00:13:14,761 --> 00:13:16,630 Do you have any pictures of them... 291 00:13:16,663 --> 00:13:17,698 the Baldwins? 292 00:13:18,532 --> 00:13:20,233 I don't think so. 293 00:13:20,266 --> 00:13:21,502 But you've met them. 294 00:13:21,535 --> 00:13:23,136 Yeah. 295 00:13:23,169 --> 00:13:24,938 They seem really nice, 296 00:13:24,971 --> 00:13:26,106 and I... 297 00:13:28,809 --> 00:13:30,777 they've never stopped loving you. 298 00:13:32,646 --> 00:13:34,014 What does she look like... 299 00:13:34,047 --> 00:13:35,682 my mother? 300 00:13:35,716 --> 00:13:38,451 ALLISON: I'm your mother. 301 00:13:38,484 --> 00:13:40,420 I know, mom. 302 00:13:41,922 --> 00:13:42,723 I-I didn't mean-- 303 00:13:42,756 --> 00:13:43,824 No-- I was-- 304 00:13:43,857 --> 00:13:46,527 I mean, I'm all for you meeting them. 305 00:13:47,628 --> 00:13:49,963 I know you raised me. 306 00:13:49,996 --> 00:13:51,798 I know who my mother is. 307 00:13:58,338 --> 00:13:59,673 We need to go. 308 00:14:05,045 --> 00:14:08,682 ALLISON: I was working in Brockton as a waitress. 309 00:14:08,715 --> 00:14:10,584 One day I was washing my clothes 310 00:14:10,617 --> 00:14:11,652 at the Laundromat, 311 00:14:11,685 --> 00:14:13,353 and this man came in with James, 312 00:14:13,386 --> 00:14:14,721 who was about four. 313 00:14:14,755 --> 00:14:15,889 We started talking, 314 00:14:15,922 --> 00:14:18,324 and he said that James was his son, 315 00:14:18,358 --> 00:14:20,093 and that the mom had died 316 00:14:20,126 --> 00:14:22,295 and that they were living in a camper. 317 00:14:22,328 --> 00:14:23,697 What year was this? 318 00:14:23,730 --> 00:14:26,800 ALLISON: This was 1983, early summer. 319 00:14:26,833 --> 00:14:29,503 He said his name was Chris Stephenson, 320 00:14:29,536 --> 00:14:31,505 but when we saw John Pierce 321 00:14:31,538 --> 00:14:33,974 on the television a week ago, 322 00:14:34,007 --> 00:14:35,942 well, that was the man 323 00:14:35,976 --> 00:14:37,611 who gave me James, 324 00:14:37,644 --> 00:14:40,480 and we figured things out. 325 00:14:40,514 --> 00:14:42,415 Do you recall the name of the Laundromat? 326 00:14:42,448 --> 00:14:44,685 ALLISON: No, but I think it was on Crescent, 327 00:14:44,718 --> 00:14:46,386 near the railroad tracks. 328 00:14:46,419 --> 00:14:49,289 How did you end up with James permanently? 329 00:14:49,322 --> 00:14:51,558 ALLISON: Well, one day this John Pierce 330 00:14:51,592 --> 00:14:53,259 said that he had to go away 331 00:14:53,293 --> 00:14:54,360 for a few days, 332 00:14:54,394 --> 00:14:56,429 and he asked if I could watch James, 333 00:14:56,462 --> 00:14:58,131 and I said yes. 334 00:14:58,164 --> 00:15:00,734 How long did this Mr. Pierce say he'd be gone? 335 00:15:00,767 --> 00:15:02,202 ALLISON: Three, four days. 336 00:15:02,235 --> 00:15:04,004 But then he... 337 00:15:05,305 --> 00:15:07,440 well, he never came back. 338 00:15:07,473 --> 00:15:08,909 Well, when did it occur to you 339 00:15:08,942 --> 00:15:11,377 he might not be coming back at all? 340 00:15:11,411 --> 00:15:12,679 ALLISON: I don't know. 341 00:15:12,713 --> 00:15:16,650 I suppose a few months later. 342 00:15:16,683 --> 00:15:19,953 I thought about going to the police, 343 00:15:19,986 --> 00:15:21,955 but I knew that they would put the boy 344 00:15:21,988 --> 00:15:23,189 in a foster home. 345 00:15:24,991 --> 00:15:26,893 We had bonded, 346 00:15:26,927 --> 00:15:29,062 and I, um... 347 00:15:30,831 --> 00:15:32,132 I-I just didn't want him 348 00:15:32,165 --> 00:15:34,134 to be put in a home. 349 00:15:36,036 --> 00:15:37,704 You remember any of this? 350 00:15:37,738 --> 00:15:39,906 I remember our place in Springfield, 351 00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:41,908 nothing much before that. 352 00:15:48,114 --> 00:15:49,816 You believe her? 353 00:15:49,850 --> 00:15:52,018 I don't know. 354 00:15:52,052 --> 00:15:53,419 It's hard to swallow that she didn't have 355 00:15:53,453 --> 00:15:55,522 some inkling the kid was kidnapped. 356 00:15:55,556 --> 00:15:57,924 Likelihood is she probably didn't want to know. 357 00:15:58,959 --> 00:15:59,760 Checked her out? 358 00:15:59,793 --> 00:16:00,994 Her employment history 359 00:16:01,027 --> 00:16:03,363 and the location of the Laundromat pan out. 360 00:16:03,396 --> 00:16:05,265 No criminal record. 361 00:16:05,298 --> 00:16:07,467 Owns a little second-hand shop. 362 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:09,335 Wonderful mother and neighbor. 363 00:16:09,369 --> 00:16:11,371 Well... 364 00:16:11,404 --> 00:16:13,507 even if she knew, she still took the kid 365 00:16:13,540 --> 00:16:15,308 out of the hands of a child molester. 366 00:16:15,341 --> 00:16:16,677 Meaning? 367 00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:19,412 She left the situation better than she found it. 368 00:16:19,445 --> 00:16:20,947 Well, if she knew he was kidnapped, 369 00:16:20,981 --> 00:16:22,182 she should have come forward. 370 00:16:22,215 --> 00:16:26,019 LOWE: Look, our endgame is to get Pierce. 371 00:16:26,052 --> 00:16:27,821 She can help us do that. 372 00:16:27,854 --> 00:16:29,923 You think I should make the deal? 373 00:16:29,956 --> 00:16:31,692 She'll plead to accessory? 374 00:16:32,292 --> 00:16:33,994 No time served. 375 00:16:35,629 --> 00:16:37,698 I think you should make the deal. 376 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:40,100 We're in. 377 00:16:40,133 --> 00:16:43,003 You get your immunity if you testify against Pierce. 378 00:16:43,036 --> 00:16:45,438 JAMES: So, she can't be prosecuted. 379 00:16:45,471 --> 00:16:46,973 DONNELL: That's right, but it means going forward 380 00:16:47,007 --> 00:16:49,142 as soon as tomorrow at the probable cause hearing, 381 00:16:49,175 --> 00:16:51,011 then again, of course, at trial. 382 00:16:51,044 --> 00:16:53,213 Okay. 383 00:16:53,246 --> 00:16:55,081 DONNELL: But, Allison, 384 00:16:55,115 --> 00:16:56,316 you have to understand... 385 00:16:56,349 --> 00:16:59,620 this is going to be an ugly battle. 386 00:17:00,420 --> 00:17:02,322 Pierce's attorney will try to shred you. 387 00:17:02,355 --> 00:17:03,957 She'll go from attacking your honesty 388 00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:05,491 to suggesting you're trying to extort 389 00:17:05,526 --> 00:17:06,860 the Baldwins for money. 390 00:17:06,893 --> 00:17:09,563 She could even claim that you're the real kidnapper. 391 00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:12,465 You're in for a nasty few months. 392 00:17:16,469 --> 00:17:17,871 Okay. 393 00:17:18,772 --> 00:17:20,406 JAMES: So are they going to arrest John Pierce? 394 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,075 They're doing that as we speak. 395 00:17:25,178 --> 00:17:27,881 Bobby, the Baldwins are here. 396 00:17:27,914 --> 00:17:30,884 (music playing) 397 00:17:34,154 --> 00:17:36,557 Would you like us to leave? 398 00:17:37,658 --> 00:17:38,625 No. 399 00:17:38,659 --> 00:17:39,893 I mean, um... 400 00:17:41,161 --> 00:17:43,163 I don't know. I mean, it--it's okay. 401 00:17:43,196 --> 00:17:44,430 It's okay. 402 00:17:47,367 --> 00:17:49,069 Show them in. 403 00:18:20,166 --> 00:18:21,434 Chad? 404 00:18:22,836 --> 00:18:23,870 Hello. 405 00:18:23,904 --> 00:18:26,840 (music playing) 406 00:18:53,534 --> 00:18:54,568 Hello, son. 407 00:18:56,970 --> 00:18:58,304 Hi, dad. 408 00:18:58,338 --> 00:19:01,341 (music playing) 409 00:19:17,624 --> 00:19:20,126 I can't believe this day is here. 410 00:19:23,630 --> 00:19:25,566 Thank you so much 411 00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:28,535 for bringing him back. 412 00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:33,406 (music playing) 413 00:19:45,552 --> 00:19:47,353 Incredibly, it was the publicity 414 00:19:47,387 --> 00:19:49,255 of last week's civil proceeding 415 00:19:49,289 --> 00:19:51,091 that led James Tucker to conclude 416 00:19:51,124 --> 00:19:52,358 that he, in fact, 417 00:19:52,392 --> 00:19:54,460 is the missing Chad Baldwin. 418 00:19:54,494 --> 00:19:56,129 John Pierce was arrested last night 419 00:19:56,162 --> 00:19:57,263 without incident. 420 00:19:57,297 --> 00:19:58,431 His probable cause hearing 421 00:19:58,464 --> 00:20:00,366 is scheduled for 9:00. 422 00:20:02,068 --> 00:20:03,269 Anything from Rebecca? 423 00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:04,270 She's still in Brockton. 424 00:20:04,304 --> 00:20:05,305 She should be back by lunch. 425 00:20:05,338 --> 00:20:06,640 I hope she finds somebody 426 00:20:06,673 --> 00:20:08,308 to support that woman's story. 427 00:20:08,341 --> 00:20:10,443 You don't think the judge will believe her? 428 00:20:11,712 --> 00:20:13,179 Don't know. 429 00:20:22,989 --> 00:20:25,659 So you met this man in the Laundromat 430 00:20:25,692 --> 00:20:27,493 and he introduced you to a boy he said 431 00:20:27,528 --> 00:20:29,162 was his son James. Is that correct? 432 00:20:29,195 --> 00:20:30,230 Yes. 433 00:20:30,263 --> 00:20:31,464 GAMBLE: And this boy is the young man 434 00:20:31,497 --> 00:20:33,166 you now know is the son 435 00:20:33,199 --> 00:20:34,968 of Richard and Jenny Baldwin, 436 00:20:35,001 --> 00:20:37,270 the son that was kidnapped 18 years ago. 437 00:20:37,303 --> 00:20:38,004 That's correct. 438 00:20:38,038 --> 00:20:39,205 And is that man 439 00:20:39,239 --> 00:20:41,041 who introduced you to the boy, 440 00:20:41,074 --> 00:20:43,109 that man that said James was his son 441 00:20:43,143 --> 00:20:44,945 and asked you to look after him, 442 00:20:44,978 --> 00:20:46,346 is that man in the courtroom? 443 00:20:46,379 --> 00:20:47,347 Yes, he is. 444 00:20:47,380 --> 00:20:48,815 Would you point him out, please? 445 00:20:48,849 --> 00:20:50,316 The defendant. 446 00:20:50,350 --> 00:20:52,385 She's lying. Mr. Pierce. 447 00:20:52,418 --> 00:20:54,555 I never had a kid with me. 448 00:20:54,588 --> 00:20:57,023 Mr. Pierce. 449 00:20:57,057 --> 00:20:59,526 GAMBLE: And I show you this picture, Ms. Tucker. 450 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:00,694 Can you identify it? 451 00:21:00,727 --> 00:21:02,996 It's a picture of me and the defendant 452 00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:04,831 taken about 20 years ago. 453 00:21:04,865 --> 00:21:06,366 We were at a carnival together. 454 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:09,202 GAMBLE: This was previously marked and identified. 455 00:21:09,235 --> 00:21:11,204 I offer it now into evidence. 456 00:21:11,237 --> 00:21:12,639 I have nothing further 457 00:21:12,673 --> 00:21:13,840 for the witness, Your Honor, 458 00:21:13,874 --> 00:21:15,141 though I remind the court 459 00:21:15,175 --> 00:21:16,342 that all the testimony 460 00:21:16,376 --> 00:21:18,011 from last week's civil proceeding 461 00:21:18,044 --> 00:21:19,379 has been entered as recorded 462 00:21:19,412 --> 00:21:20,847 testimony evidence. 463 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:28,354 LIGHTSTONE: Ms. Tucker, 464 00:21:28,388 --> 00:21:30,223 during the 18 years you were raising 465 00:21:30,256 --> 00:21:32,593 Chad Baldwin as your own son, 466 00:21:32,626 --> 00:21:33,927 did you ever talk to the police 467 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,195 about the father 468 00:21:35,228 --> 00:21:36,062 who left his son with you 469 00:21:36,096 --> 00:21:37,197 and never returned? 470 00:21:37,230 --> 00:21:38,431 No. 471 00:21:38,464 --> 00:21:39,165 LIGHTSTONE: Did you talk to anyone 472 00:21:39,199 --> 00:21:41,001 about it in 18 years? 473 00:21:41,034 --> 00:21:42,569 No. 474 00:21:42,603 --> 00:21:44,304 You kept the whole thing a secret. 475 00:21:44,337 --> 00:21:45,706 Is that a fair statement? 476 00:21:45,739 --> 00:21:47,574 I guess you could say that. 477 00:21:47,608 --> 00:21:49,743 LIGHTSTONE: Did you keep it a secret because you knew 478 00:21:49,776 --> 00:21:52,378 what you were doing was illegal? 479 00:21:52,412 --> 00:21:54,414 I know that what I did was wrong, 480 00:21:54,447 --> 00:21:57,117 and, yes, it was probably illegal, 481 00:21:57,150 --> 00:21:58,785 but at the time, I really believed 482 00:21:58,819 --> 00:22:01,655 that what I was doing was best for James. 483 00:22:01,688 --> 00:22:04,157 LIGHTSTONE: You claim Mr. Pierce asked you 484 00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:05,959 to watch Chad for a few days 485 00:22:05,992 --> 00:22:07,928 and never returned. Yes. 486 00:22:07,961 --> 00:22:09,563 LIGHTSTONE: Did you ever tell any of your fellow workers 487 00:22:09,596 --> 00:22:11,598 at the Golden Cup why you were quitting? 488 00:22:11,632 --> 00:22:12,599 No. 489 00:22:12,633 --> 00:22:14,000 LIGHTSTONE: Did anyone ever see you 490 00:22:14,034 --> 00:22:15,602 and Mr. Pierce and Chad together 491 00:22:15,636 --> 00:22:17,270 in the weeks he was living in Brockton 492 00:22:17,303 --> 00:22:18,972 before he left town? 493 00:22:19,005 --> 00:22:20,173 I don't know. 494 00:22:20,206 --> 00:22:22,142 You can't recall? No. 495 00:22:22,175 --> 00:22:23,710 LIGHTSTONE: So if I said, based on everything 496 00:22:23,744 --> 00:22:25,111 you've told me, 497 00:22:25,145 --> 00:22:27,581 I believed you had kidnapped Chad. 498 00:22:27,614 --> 00:22:28,982 You really wouldn't have any way 499 00:22:29,015 --> 00:22:30,350 of disproving that, would you? 500 00:22:30,383 --> 00:22:33,554 I don't know how you prove 501 00:22:33,587 --> 00:22:35,756 that you didn't do something. 502 00:22:35,789 --> 00:22:37,958 LIGHTSTONE: And if I said I believe you concocted 503 00:22:37,991 --> 00:22:39,459 this whole elaborate story 504 00:22:39,492 --> 00:22:41,227 in order to frame a convenient dupe 505 00:22:41,261 --> 00:22:43,096 and free yourself from responsibility 506 00:22:43,129 --> 00:22:45,498 for the illegal acts you admit you committed-- 507 00:22:45,532 --> 00:22:47,801 Objection. Sustained. 508 00:22:47,834 --> 00:22:49,302 LIGHTSTONE: Ms. Tucker, 509 00:22:49,335 --> 00:22:51,705 are you trying to frame Mr. Pierce 510 00:22:51,738 --> 00:22:53,674 in order to protect yourself? 511 00:22:53,707 --> 00:22:56,042 If I wanted to protect myself, 512 00:22:56,076 --> 00:22:57,343 I would have stayed living 513 00:22:57,377 --> 00:22:58,311 the way I've been living 514 00:22:58,344 --> 00:23:00,747 for the past 18 years. 515 00:23:00,781 --> 00:23:03,316 I did this for my son, 516 00:23:03,349 --> 00:23:04,818 because I wanted him to meet 517 00:23:04,851 --> 00:23:06,720 his birth parents, 518 00:23:06,753 --> 00:23:07,954 birth parents 519 00:23:07,988 --> 00:23:10,090 that I didn't even know existed 520 00:23:10,123 --> 00:23:12,025 until a few weeks ago. 521 00:23:12,058 --> 00:23:13,727 LIGHTSTONE: I see. 522 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:14,761 But before you carried out 523 00:23:14,795 --> 00:23:16,196 this little act of altruism, 524 00:23:16,229 --> 00:23:17,564 you made sure you cut a deal 525 00:23:17,598 --> 00:23:18,965 with the D. A., right? 526 00:23:20,133 --> 00:23:21,935 In exchange for this testimony, 527 00:23:21,968 --> 00:23:22,736 you were promised 528 00:23:22,769 --> 00:23:24,404 you wouldn't serve any time. 529 00:23:24,437 --> 00:23:26,306 Is that true, Ms. Tucker? 530 00:23:27,541 --> 00:23:28,675 Yes. 531 00:23:29,743 --> 00:23:31,444 That's correct. 532 00:23:41,755 --> 00:23:43,023 MELANIE: My sister and I don't really communicate 533 00:23:43,056 --> 00:23:44,691 much anymore, Ms. Washington. 534 00:23:44,725 --> 00:23:46,292 I'm just looking... 535 00:23:47,761 --> 00:23:49,863 I need witnesses to substantiate 536 00:23:49,896 --> 00:23:51,031 what she's telling us. 537 00:23:51,064 --> 00:23:52,699 I don't really know anything. 538 00:23:52,733 --> 00:23:54,535 Did you know she had a child? 539 00:23:54,568 --> 00:23:55,836 Yes. 540 00:23:55,869 --> 00:23:56,803 WASHINGTON: And did she tell you 541 00:23:56,837 --> 00:23:58,404 she had gotten the boy from a man? 542 00:23:58,438 --> 00:23:59,973 Yeah, some guy she met at a Laundromat. 543 00:24:00,006 --> 00:24:01,575 I heard the whole thing. 544 00:24:01,608 --> 00:24:03,143 And did you believe her? 545 00:24:03,977 --> 00:24:05,445 Why wouldn't I? 546 00:24:06,346 --> 00:24:09,115 Ms. Tucker, I'm Allison's lawyer. 547 00:24:09,149 --> 00:24:11,652 I'm on her side. 548 00:24:11,685 --> 00:24:13,486 I'm just trying to collect information. 549 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,321 You said it like you doubt her. 550 00:24:15,355 --> 00:24:18,525 Mr. Pierce's lawyer will doubt her, 551 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:20,827 and she'll try to tear her up. 552 00:24:20,861 --> 00:24:22,328 I need to know whatever ammo 553 00:24:22,362 --> 00:24:24,931 she could possibly dig up. 554 00:24:33,206 --> 00:24:34,374 Can I talk to you? 555 00:24:34,407 --> 00:24:36,076 I thought we did that. 556 00:24:36,109 --> 00:24:37,844 Well, I'd like to talk again, then. 557 00:24:39,079 --> 00:24:40,180 Go ahead. 558 00:24:44,518 --> 00:24:46,620 I, uh... 559 00:24:46,653 --> 00:24:49,122 I-I can't get it out of my head 560 00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:51,157 about what you said 561 00:24:51,191 --> 00:24:54,394 about shattering trust, 562 00:24:54,427 --> 00:24:56,396 and, well, 563 00:24:56,429 --> 00:24:58,765 I realized I was betting money. 564 00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,968 I even knew I was betting the client's money, 565 00:25:02,002 --> 00:25:04,237 and I suppose I knew 566 00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:07,440 I was gambling with the firm's reputation. 567 00:25:07,473 --> 00:25:10,777 What never really hit me 568 00:25:10,811 --> 00:25:13,113 until you said what you said 569 00:25:13,146 --> 00:25:16,216 was that I was wagering friendships, 570 00:25:16,249 --> 00:25:17,684 and, uh... 571 00:25:17,718 --> 00:25:19,920 I guess that means... 572 00:25:19,953 --> 00:25:22,222 I was willing to, 573 00:25:22,255 --> 00:25:24,958 but on that, 574 00:25:24,991 --> 00:25:27,794 I wasn't really aware. 575 00:25:27,828 --> 00:25:29,963 I never would have knowingly done that. 576 00:25:31,264 --> 00:25:32,966 You people here... 577 00:25:32,999 --> 00:25:34,668 you're really the only thing I have 578 00:25:34,701 --> 00:25:37,871 that truly means anything to me. 579 00:25:43,844 --> 00:25:46,647 I'm not comfortable telling people I love them, 580 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,550 and especially other men, 581 00:25:49,583 --> 00:25:52,853 but, uh... 582 00:25:52,886 --> 00:25:55,822 I do love you, Eugene, 583 00:25:55,856 --> 00:25:57,891 and for me to risk... 584 00:26:02,729 --> 00:26:04,330 I'm an addict. 585 00:26:13,106 --> 00:26:16,409 But if I ever needed the will to lick this, 586 00:26:16,442 --> 00:26:18,444 I got it now, 587 00:26:18,478 --> 00:26:21,114 'cause my friendship with you... 588 00:26:22,983 --> 00:26:23,984 well... 589 00:26:25,418 --> 00:26:27,153 I hope you know what I'm saying. 590 00:26:48,108 --> 00:26:50,076 LIGHTSTONE: They offered nothing new. 591 00:26:50,110 --> 00:26:51,745 The 18-year-old memory 592 00:26:51,778 --> 00:26:53,580 of an unsubstantiated witness 593 00:26:53,614 --> 00:26:56,282 whose credibility is highly suspect. 594 00:26:56,316 --> 00:26:58,284 The only thing she could establish 595 00:26:58,318 --> 00:27:01,021 is that she once briefly knew my client. 596 00:27:01,054 --> 00:27:02,923 Even if the court were able 597 00:27:02,956 --> 00:27:04,490 to accept her concoction, 598 00:27:04,525 --> 00:27:06,827 you would certainly have to recognize, Your Honor, 599 00:27:06,860 --> 00:27:08,829 that this newly discovered evidence 600 00:27:08,862 --> 00:27:11,532 could never satisfy at trial 601 00:27:11,565 --> 00:27:14,568 the burden of guilt beyond reasonable doubt. 602 00:27:14,601 --> 00:27:15,636 Accordingly, 603 00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:17,904 I ask that my client be released 604 00:27:17,938 --> 00:27:19,139 and the charges be dismissed, 605 00:27:19,172 --> 00:27:21,808 this time with prejudice. 606 00:27:28,081 --> 00:27:30,383 We already had an eyewitness... 607 00:27:30,416 --> 00:27:32,385 Mrs. Baldwin placing John Pierce 608 00:27:32,418 --> 00:27:33,920 at the scene of the crime 609 00:27:33,954 --> 00:27:36,089 at the exact time of the crime. 610 00:27:36,122 --> 00:27:38,324 We found three Legos inside 611 00:27:38,358 --> 00:27:40,160 Mr. Pierce's apartment. 612 00:27:40,193 --> 00:27:41,494 Chad Baldwin was seen playing 613 00:27:41,528 --> 00:27:43,263 with Legos at the scene. 614 00:27:43,296 --> 00:27:46,432 He has convictions for two other child molestation-- 615 00:27:46,466 --> 00:27:48,201 I'm sorry, those will not come into evidence. 616 00:27:48,234 --> 00:27:49,603 GAMBLE: I think they will. They go to pattern. 617 00:27:49,636 --> 00:27:50,737 The prejudicial value alone-- 618 00:27:50,771 --> 00:27:52,338 GAMBLE: Civil liberties are less in style 619 00:27:52,372 --> 00:27:53,874 than they used to be, I would appreciate 620 00:27:53,907 --> 00:27:54,975 getting to finish my statement 621 00:27:55,008 --> 00:27:57,143 much like she got to finish hers. 622 00:27:57,177 --> 00:27:58,712 Go ahead. 623 00:27:58,745 --> 00:28:00,714 GAMBLE: In addition to Mrs. Baldwin 624 00:28:00,747 --> 00:28:03,584 placing Mr. Pierce within 50 feet of her son 625 00:28:03,617 --> 00:28:05,719 at the time of the disappearance, 626 00:28:05,752 --> 00:28:07,253 in addition to an informant 627 00:28:07,287 --> 00:28:09,389 who testified that John Pierce 628 00:28:09,422 --> 00:28:11,592 admitted to the abduction, 629 00:28:11,625 --> 00:28:12,926 we now have the testimony 630 00:28:12,959 --> 00:28:14,494 of Allison Tucker, 631 00:28:14,528 --> 00:28:16,396 who says she got Chad Baldwin 632 00:28:16,429 --> 00:28:18,364 from John Pierce. 633 00:28:18,398 --> 00:28:20,166 Let's not forget, Your Honor, 634 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,368 his prior molestation convictions 635 00:28:22,402 --> 00:28:23,870 will likely come into evidence 636 00:28:23,904 --> 00:28:25,005 as pattern evidence. 637 00:28:25,038 --> 00:28:26,540 All of that will be enough 638 00:28:26,573 --> 00:28:28,742 to satisfy reasonable doubt. 639 00:28:28,775 --> 00:28:30,376 Your Honor, it's unquestionable 640 00:28:30,410 --> 00:28:31,812 that this matter satisfies 641 00:28:31,845 --> 00:28:34,114 the burden of a probable cause hearing. 642 00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:39,052 I agree. 643 00:28:39,085 --> 00:28:41,354 The defendant is bound over. 644 00:28:41,387 --> 00:28:45,391 Trial date for the first week of February, 645 00:28:45,425 --> 00:28:46,827 and, Ms. Lightstone, 646 00:28:46,860 --> 00:28:48,562 Ms. Gamble is correct. 647 00:28:48,595 --> 00:28:49,630 There's an excellent chance 648 00:28:49,663 --> 00:28:51,632 the jury will hear about these other 649 00:28:51,665 --> 00:28:54,167 molestation convictions. 650 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,402 Take your client in a corner. 651 00:28:56,436 --> 00:28:59,039 Tell him he's got a problem. 652 00:28:59,072 --> 00:29:00,507 This court is adjourned. 653 00:29:00,541 --> 00:29:01,575 (gavel bangs) 654 00:29:01,608 --> 00:29:03,544 (spectators applauding) 655 00:29:12,085 --> 00:29:13,053 RICHARD: I can't believe it. 656 00:29:13,086 --> 00:29:14,320 We may finally get him. 657 00:29:14,354 --> 00:29:15,656 Well, I'm going to need you for trial, 658 00:29:15,689 --> 00:29:17,023 which you heard will be in February. 659 00:29:17,057 --> 00:29:18,291 JENNY: Okay. WASHINGTON: Bobby? 660 00:29:18,324 --> 00:29:19,259 Hey, Bec. 661 00:29:19,292 --> 00:29:20,460 WASHINGTON: Have a sec? 662 00:29:20,493 --> 00:29:21,928 Sure. 663 00:29:22,596 --> 00:29:25,331 Listen, before we get carried away, 664 00:29:25,365 --> 00:29:26,933 I'd like to try to settle this. 665 00:29:26,967 --> 00:29:28,969 Our leverage is good, and with the chance 666 00:29:29,002 --> 00:29:30,904 of the other convictions being suppressed 667 00:29:30,937 --> 00:29:32,639 and there is that chance... 668 00:29:32,673 --> 00:29:34,608 I'd like to get what we can get now. 669 00:29:34,641 --> 00:29:35,776 How long? 670 00:29:35,809 --> 00:29:38,645 If I could get eight years, I'd be thrilled. 671 00:29:38,679 --> 00:29:39,913 You okay with that? 672 00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:41,381 I guess. 673 00:29:42,248 --> 00:29:43,684 DONNELL: Allison, 674 00:29:43,717 --> 00:29:45,151 can I talk to you for a second? 675 00:29:54,628 --> 00:29:56,329 What's up? 676 00:29:56,362 --> 00:29:57,798 This is Rebecca Washington. 677 00:29:57,831 --> 00:29:59,099 She's an attorney with our firm. 678 00:29:59,132 --> 00:30:00,466 Yeah, I think we've met. 679 00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:01,602 DONNELL: She's been looking for witnesses 680 00:30:01,635 --> 00:30:04,070 who could perhaps bolster your testimony. 681 00:30:04,104 --> 00:30:07,574 Today, she spoke with your sister. 682 00:30:08,809 --> 00:30:10,043 And? 683 00:30:10,076 --> 00:30:13,379 She says three years before taking in James, 684 00:30:13,413 --> 00:30:14,915 you miscarried. 685 00:30:15,549 --> 00:30:17,751 Two years before that, 686 00:30:17,784 --> 00:30:19,152 you miscarried. 687 00:30:20,754 --> 00:30:22,956 Six months before taking in James, 688 00:30:22,989 --> 00:30:24,625 you tried to adopt. 689 00:30:24,658 --> 00:30:26,459 You were rejected. 690 00:30:26,492 --> 00:30:27,894 A month later, 691 00:30:27,928 --> 00:30:28,929 you told your sister 692 00:30:28,962 --> 00:30:31,364 you thought about just going to a hospital 693 00:30:31,397 --> 00:30:33,166 and taking a baby. 694 00:30:36,770 --> 00:30:37,838 She's lying. 695 00:30:39,973 --> 00:30:42,342 Why would she make up those lies? 696 00:30:46,379 --> 00:30:47,948 She's lying. 697 00:30:51,251 --> 00:30:53,554 Did you kidnap James, Allison? 698 00:30:56,122 --> 00:30:57,090 No. 699 00:30:57,123 --> 00:30:58,759 DONNELL: Did you get lucky? 700 00:30:58,792 --> 00:31:00,927 John Pierce, a child molester, 701 00:31:00,961 --> 00:31:03,429 just happened to be in the area at the time? 702 00:31:03,463 --> 00:31:05,832 He just happened to be a friend? 703 00:31:05,866 --> 00:31:06,867 Are you the beneficiary 704 00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:08,702 of an incredible coincidence? 705 00:31:09,903 --> 00:31:10,804 No. 706 00:31:10,837 --> 00:31:12,105 You also told your sister 707 00:31:12,138 --> 00:31:13,840 Mr. Pierce had a juvenile arrest 708 00:31:13,874 --> 00:31:16,009 for molestation. 709 00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:18,612 Juvenile records are sealed, 710 00:31:18,645 --> 00:31:20,514 so how would you know that? 711 00:31:20,547 --> 00:31:22,148 We didn't know that. 712 00:31:22,182 --> 00:31:23,717 Pierce told me. So what? 713 00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:25,485 DONNELL: So what? 714 00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:27,487 It means you had reason to know 715 00:31:27,521 --> 00:31:30,056 he'd make a perfect suspect. 716 00:31:31,091 --> 00:31:33,527 Did you try to frame him, Allison? 717 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,562 Snatched a kid where he worked, 718 00:31:35,596 --> 00:31:37,664 planted the Legos in his apartment? 719 00:31:37,698 --> 00:31:38,565 You had access. 720 00:31:40,834 --> 00:31:43,103 Is that what happened, Allison? 721 00:31:46,006 --> 00:31:50,043 If I was involved, Mr. Donnell, 722 00:31:50,076 --> 00:31:53,747 why would I ever come forward now? 723 00:31:56,449 --> 00:31:59,620 I don't think you really did. 724 00:31:59,653 --> 00:32:01,254 James did... 725 00:32:02,689 --> 00:32:04,591 and you couldn't stop him. 726 00:32:07,193 --> 00:32:09,029 You're mistaken. 727 00:32:19,773 --> 00:32:22,008 The question is, what do we do now? 728 00:32:22,042 --> 00:32:23,977 Well, if Bec found this out, 729 00:32:24,010 --> 00:32:25,946 I got to believe the police will, too. 730 00:32:25,979 --> 00:32:28,815 No. The sister's not talking to the police. 731 00:32:28,849 --> 00:32:31,618 She spoke to me because I'm Allison's lawyer. 732 00:32:31,652 --> 00:32:33,620 Which raises another issue, 733 00:32:33,654 --> 00:32:35,355 we're Allison's lawyers. 734 00:32:35,388 --> 00:32:37,624 The conflict of interest we spoke of before 735 00:32:37,658 --> 00:32:39,359 has reared its ugly head. 736 00:32:39,392 --> 00:32:40,794 Do we tell the Baldwins? 737 00:32:40,827 --> 00:32:41,862 How do we not? 738 00:32:41,895 --> 00:32:42,896 YOUNG: I agree. 739 00:32:42,929 --> 00:32:44,565 We have to tell the Baldwins and Allison. 740 00:32:44,598 --> 00:32:46,667 DOLE: Wait a second, Allison could still have 741 00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:47,934 criminal exposure on this 742 00:32:47,968 --> 00:32:49,903 for obstruction of justice or perjury. 743 00:32:49,936 --> 00:32:50,904 YOUNG: It doesn't matter. 744 00:32:50,937 --> 00:32:52,472 She didn't reveal the information. 745 00:32:52,506 --> 00:32:53,674 Her sister did. 746 00:32:53,707 --> 00:32:54,575 It's not privileged. 747 00:32:54,608 --> 00:32:55,542 But Eugene, there's-- 748 00:32:55,576 --> 00:32:58,178 DONNELL: I am telling the Baldwins. 749 00:32:58,211 --> 00:33:00,681 What's happening with Pierce? 750 00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:05,051 No. John. 751 00:33:05,085 --> 00:33:07,353 I didn't do it, and I won't say I did. 752 00:33:07,387 --> 00:33:09,656 I'd finish listening before declaring your position, 753 00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:10,791 Mr. Pierce. 754 00:33:10,824 --> 00:33:13,293 LIGHTSTONE: Helen. This is a one-time-only offer. 755 00:33:13,326 --> 00:33:15,095 You know the evidence we have. 756 00:33:15,128 --> 00:33:16,763 The judge indicated he's going to admit 757 00:33:16,797 --> 00:33:17,998 the molestation convictions. 758 00:33:18,031 --> 00:33:19,600 I didn't do it. 759 00:33:19,633 --> 00:33:21,001 I admit I knew the woman, 760 00:33:21,034 --> 00:33:23,570 but I never took the kid. 761 00:33:23,604 --> 00:33:26,239 She must have, and she's trying to frame me. 762 00:33:26,272 --> 00:33:28,308 She's trying to frame you 18 years later. 763 00:33:28,341 --> 00:33:29,910 What is this, careful planning? 764 00:33:29,943 --> 00:33:32,112 I don't know what's going on. 765 00:33:32,145 --> 00:33:33,514 I was friends with her, 766 00:33:33,547 --> 00:33:35,682 but I never grabbed that kid. 767 00:33:36,316 --> 00:33:38,151 You've got till noon tomorrow. 768 00:33:38,184 --> 00:33:40,220 I'm offering you reckless endangerment 769 00:33:40,253 --> 00:33:41,522 for a kidnapping. 770 00:33:41,555 --> 00:33:42,455 That is a gift, 771 00:33:42,488 --> 00:33:44,124 which I am willing to give you 772 00:33:44,157 --> 00:33:45,358 to spare putting those families 773 00:33:45,391 --> 00:33:46,593 through a trial. 774 00:33:46,627 --> 00:33:48,428 LOWE: And I hope you turn it down, 775 00:33:48,461 --> 00:33:50,430 'cause I love to go after guys 776 00:33:50,463 --> 00:33:51,632 who go after kids. 777 00:33:56,336 --> 00:33:57,571 She did it? 778 00:33:57,604 --> 00:33:59,673 We can't prove it, 779 00:33:59,706 --> 00:34:01,074 but we think so. 780 00:34:03,109 --> 00:34:04,911 Does James know? 781 00:34:04,945 --> 00:34:06,179 FRUTT: We don't think so. 782 00:34:06,212 --> 00:34:07,147 He seems to believe 783 00:34:07,180 --> 00:34:08,749 his mother's version of the events. 784 00:34:12,085 --> 00:34:13,520 So where does this leave us? 785 00:34:13,554 --> 00:34:15,488 Well... DONNELL: Ethically, 786 00:34:15,522 --> 00:34:18,525 we think we should inform the district attorney. 787 00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:20,026 We're a little trapped because Allison 788 00:34:20,060 --> 00:34:22,095 is also our client. 789 00:34:22,128 --> 00:34:23,630 Before we do anything, 790 00:34:23,664 --> 00:34:25,599 we thought we'd get your reaction to it all. 791 00:34:27,734 --> 00:34:30,504 Why would she come forward and expose herself 792 00:34:30,537 --> 00:34:32,072 if she were the kidnapper? 793 00:34:32,105 --> 00:34:34,474 DONNELL: We believe James insisted on coming forward, 794 00:34:34,508 --> 00:34:37,578 and she couldn't talk him out of it. 795 00:34:37,611 --> 00:34:40,547 FRUTT: As we said, we can't prove any of it, 796 00:34:40,581 --> 00:34:43,483 but this is where we are. 797 00:34:44,317 --> 00:34:45,619 I would like you to not 798 00:34:45,652 --> 00:34:47,487 tell the district attorney. 799 00:34:49,823 --> 00:34:50,791 Okay. 800 00:34:51,892 --> 00:34:52,859 Why? 801 00:34:52,893 --> 00:34:55,762 Because if you do, 802 00:34:55,796 --> 00:34:57,631 it's going to turn Chad against you, 803 00:34:57,664 --> 00:35:00,200 and ultimately us. 804 00:35:00,233 --> 00:35:01,501 Like it or not, 805 00:35:03,103 --> 00:35:04,871 she controls our relationship 806 00:35:04,905 --> 00:35:07,273 with our son. 807 00:35:07,307 --> 00:35:09,075 A man stands to be convicted 808 00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:10,911 for a crime he didn't commit. 809 00:35:10,944 --> 00:35:13,379 Well, maybe the police will find this new information 810 00:35:13,413 --> 00:35:14,447 out on their own. 811 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,415 FRUTT: That doesn't seem likely, 812 00:35:15,448 --> 00:35:17,217 and besides, 813 00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:19,252 Pierce could enter a plea. 814 00:35:20,186 --> 00:35:22,155 JENNY: Ellenor, Bobby... 815 00:35:22,188 --> 00:35:24,424 my husband's right. 816 00:35:24,457 --> 00:35:25,692 We need to have a relationship 817 00:35:25,726 --> 00:35:27,227 with this woman. 818 00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:28,428 It's possible, 819 00:35:28,461 --> 00:35:31,497 if James were to know that Allison was the kidnapper, 820 00:35:31,532 --> 00:35:33,299 he might sever his relationship with her, 821 00:35:33,333 --> 00:35:34,968 making it easier for you. 822 00:35:35,001 --> 00:35:36,069 RICHARD: That might be so, 823 00:35:36,102 --> 00:35:38,104 if you could prove it, 824 00:35:38,138 --> 00:35:39,706 but you can't. 825 00:35:43,409 --> 00:35:45,278 You asked for our thoughts, Bobby. 826 00:35:45,311 --> 00:35:47,681 As your clients, we're directing you 827 00:35:47,714 --> 00:35:49,382 not to tell the district attorney 828 00:35:49,415 --> 00:35:51,552 about this new information. 829 00:35:56,590 --> 00:35:58,959 He maintains his innocence. 830 00:35:58,992 --> 00:36:00,460 Come on, Henrietta. 831 00:36:00,493 --> 00:36:02,062 He does. Helen, what can I tell you? 832 00:36:02,095 --> 00:36:03,496 It's not about what you tell me. 833 00:36:03,530 --> 00:36:04,831 It's about what you say to him. 834 00:36:04,865 --> 00:36:07,167 You got to advise him of his legal chances here. 835 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,135 If this goes to trial, he's dead. 836 00:36:09,169 --> 00:36:10,804 I can't make him take a deal. 837 00:36:10,837 --> 00:36:12,338 Make him see reality. 838 00:36:14,207 --> 00:36:16,009 Give me something to go back with. 839 00:36:16,042 --> 00:36:18,478 I gave you eight years for a kidnapping. 840 00:36:18,512 --> 00:36:20,280 What do you want me, to gift-wrap it? 841 00:36:20,313 --> 00:36:22,516 Make it six. I'll get him there. 842 00:36:22,549 --> 00:36:25,085 I'll give him 15 in juvie. He'll love it. 843 00:36:26,587 --> 00:36:28,188 Six. 844 00:36:28,221 --> 00:36:29,122 I'll sell it. 845 00:36:29,155 --> 00:36:31,625 Seven. Sell seven. 846 00:36:34,628 --> 00:36:36,697 DONNELL: Lucy, notify the Baldwins and the Tuckers 847 00:36:36,730 --> 00:36:38,565 we're going back in before judge Kenney at 11:00 848 00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:39,600 if they want to be there. 849 00:36:39,633 --> 00:36:41,267 Do they have to? No, it's their choice. 850 00:36:41,301 --> 00:36:42,969 I'm going. Ellenor? 851 00:36:43,003 --> 00:36:44,270 I'm with you. 852 00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:51,211 So this guy's going back to prison. 853 00:36:52,646 --> 00:36:53,714 Seems so. 854 00:37:05,291 --> 00:37:07,160 Jimmy. 855 00:37:07,193 --> 00:37:09,295 Lunch plans. 856 00:37:09,763 --> 00:37:10,731 Me? 857 00:37:10,764 --> 00:37:13,299 No, I'm wide open. 858 00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:15,435 Want to grab a sandwich, 12:30 or so? 859 00:37:16,537 --> 00:37:17,638 Great. 860 00:37:31,852 --> 00:37:33,887 Bobby. You're here. 861 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,421 We were close when Lucy called. 862 00:37:35,455 --> 00:37:36,723 The case is over? 863 00:37:36,757 --> 00:37:39,425 They supposedly have reached a deal. 864 00:37:39,459 --> 00:37:41,127 There's a joint recommendation scheduled 865 00:37:41,161 --> 00:37:42,763 before Judge Kenney. 866 00:37:43,697 --> 00:37:45,231 Listen, I know we've already discussed this, 867 00:37:45,265 --> 00:37:48,735 but I'm going to say it again. 868 00:37:48,769 --> 00:37:50,436 If Pierce is doing jail time, 869 00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:51,872 he's serving it quite possibly 870 00:37:51,905 --> 00:37:53,874 for a crime he didn't commit. 871 00:37:55,475 --> 00:37:57,944 Will you really be able to live with that? 872 00:38:00,413 --> 00:38:02,883 John Pierce is a two-time child molester, 873 00:38:02,916 --> 00:38:04,951 whether or not he actually kidnapped Chad. 874 00:38:04,985 --> 00:38:07,153 He served his time for those offenses. 875 00:38:07,187 --> 00:38:09,455 JENNY: I'm not going to lose sleep for him. 876 00:38:09,489 --> 00:38:11,124 This is my time to make up 877 00:38:11,157 --> 00:38:14,027 for 18 lost years with my son. 878 00:38:21,835 --> 00:38:23,003 Is it really over? 879 00:38:23,036 --> 00:38:24,905 We don't know. 880 00:38:24,938 --> 00:38:27,240 We're told there's a plea. 881 00:38:27,273 --> 00:38:30,176 Allison, could I see you in private 882 00:38:30,210 --> 00:38:30,944 in the witness room? 883 00:38:30,977 --> 00:38:32,646 I'll go with you. 884 00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:34,114 No, this is private, Bobby. 885 00:38:34,147 --> 00:38:36,416 I'm going with you. 886 00:38:48,194 --> 00:38:50,531 Did you kidnap my son, Allison? 887 00:38:53,166 --> 00:38:54,300 I asked you a question, 888 00:38:54,334 --> 00:38:56,069 and I would appreciate an answer. 889 00:38:57,871 --> 00:39:00,306 Did you kidnap my son? 890 00:39:01,107 --> 00:39:04,678 I raised James. 891 00:39:04,711 --> 00:39:07,213 I'm his mother. 892 00:39:07,247 --> 00:39:10,283 Well, then, as his mother, 893 00:39:10,316 --> 00:39:13,419 you'll understand my rage 894 00:39:13,453 --> 00:39:15,455 like only a mother can. 895 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,194 I will get along with you 896 00:39:21,227 --> 00:39:22,829 because I have to. 897 00:39:24,030 --> 00:39:26,132 I will welcome you into my home. 898 00:39:26,166 --> 00:39:29,269 I will sit across a dinner table from you. 899 00:39:30,403 --> 00:39:33,439 I will welcome you into my life 900 00:39:33,473 --> 00:39:35,742 to keep James in my life. 901 00:39:37,277 --> 00:39:39,613 But with every embrace, 902 00:39:39,646 --> 00:39:42,215 please know... 903 00:39:42,248 --> 00:39:43,416 I will never, 904 00:39:43,449 --> 00:39:46,587 ever forgive you. 905 00:39:50,123 --> 00:39:52,626 And you'll understand that, won't you? 906 00:39:53,226 --> 00:39:55,495 Because a mother can understand. 907 00:40:04,738 --> 00:40:06,039 Court's in session. 908 00:40:09,409 --> 00:40:11,011 DONNELL: Let's go. 909 00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:18,719 KENNEY: You understand, Mr. Pierce, 910 00:40:18,752 --> 00:40:20,353 that you are pleading guilty 911 00:40:20,386 --> 00:40:23,389 to the charge of child endangerment? 912 00:40:23,423 --> 00:40:25,491 Yes, Your Honor. 913 00:40:25,526 --> 00:40:26,226 And you understand 914 00:40:26,259 --> 00:40:28,529 that by pleading guilty, 915 00:40:28,562 --> 00:40:30,130 you waive your rights to an appeal 916 00:40:30,163 --> 00:40:32,065 and will be sentenced to state prison 917 00:40:32,098 --> 00:40:34,234 for a term of not less than seven years? 918 00:40:36,703 --> 00:40:39,205 Mr. Pierce, I asked you a question. 919 00:40:44,244 --> 00:40:47,347 Yes, Your Honor, I understand it all. 920 00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:49,049 Ms. Lightstone, 921 00:40:49,082 --> 00:40:52,018 you support and recommend this plea? 922 00:40:52,052 --> 00:40:53,687 I do, Your Honor. 923 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:54,721 KENNEY: All right, then, 924 00:40:54,755 --> 00:40:57,524 the plea is entered and accepted. 925 00:40:57,558 --> 00:41:00,226 Mr. Pierce, you are hereby found guilty 926 00:41:00,260 --> 00:41:04,364 of the charge of child endangerment. 927 00:41:04,397 --> 00:41:06,499 Security, take Mr. Pierce into custody. 928 00:41:08,101 --> 00:41:09,202 This court is adjourned. 929 00:41:09,235 --> 00:41:11,037 (gavel bangs) 930 00:41:11,071 --> 00:41:13,874 (music playing) 931 00:42:05,759 --> 00:42:08,695 (music playing) 932 00:42:32,152 --> 00:42:33,219 WOMAN: You stinker! 63267

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