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I feel this magnetic pull
bringing me back to the moment.
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- I was feeling a little...
- But seriously,
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- where are we going?
- I don't know. Where are we going?
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Well, where did this thing happen?
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I think we're going back to 1985.
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It was a chilly evening. Crisp... taut.
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The evening Jay is talking about
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happened when we were in high school.
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This is...
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I don't know if he still thinks about it,
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but the reason I brought him back here
is because I do.
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So, is this where
you got mugged, basically? Right here?
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Well, I think the fun started
coming around that corner.
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We're walking here...
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and the gentlemen sort of
infused themselves into our little gaggle.
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Some guy jumped on me, like,
with a bear hug from behind.
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The moment I got hit,
I assumed it was a bottle
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because I felt, you know, liquid,
which was blood.
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But I assumed it was a bottle,
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and I remember thinking,
"That's kind of cool.
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I was just sort of, like, in a bar fight
in an old Western."
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I will say, I was a little upset
with my supporting cast that evening.
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They may have had some pom-poms,
cheering on the side,
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but I could have used
maybe a little more...
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Actual assistance.
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Do you remember what, sort of,
happened to me during that whole thing?
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Like, when things went down,
do you remember where I was?
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What happened?
Were they grabbing you, as well?
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Did you trip? Were you taking a pee?
What happened?
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I was lying under a car.
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You were lying under a car!
You were lying under a car.
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I don't know why that's funny.
It just is. Oh, man.
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Obviously, I'm not proud of it.
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It's been 20 years
since I watched Jay get mugged.
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Maybe the reason I haven't let it go is
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because I feel like I'm still that guy,
hiding under the car.
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I looked at you and I was like,
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"That guy and I are supposed to
be friends. I know it."
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That was my first impression of you.
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Because you didn't strike me as a dude.
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You were warm and open.
You were almost like a chick.
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You're actually a woman
trapped in the body of a man,
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and I've thought that for a long time.
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- Are you being serious?
- I mean, kind of.
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You're a sensitive soul,
like the way women are sensitive.
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What does that mean?
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When I talk to you about stuff,
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it doesn't feel different than
when I'm talking to my girlfriends.
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In our family,
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since you were the youngest,
you were definitely the follower.
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If Michael wanted to
play ball and tackle you,
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you were delighted to do that.
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If Lisa wanted to dress you up in dresses,
you were delighted to do that.
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You didn't care what it was
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as long as you were included.
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Forty. You want one for good luck?
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I'm now turning 40,
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and I don't have a family...
a successful career...
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a life I'm proud of.
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But it goes deeper than that.
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I'm a guy who can't stand up for himself,
who can't hold his own.
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And I don't wanna be that guy anymore.
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It pisses me off that
I just might not be an alpha male.
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You're not.
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You're not.
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I might not come off as an alpha male,
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but I tend to become friends
with guys who are.
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Ian was no exception.
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Part of the thing I like about you
is that you're not an alpha male.
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You know?
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- You're...
- How is that a strength?
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Huge strength.
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It's not a strength
if you wish you were something else.
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I was trained to be an alpha male.
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My father, when I was a kid,
used to take...
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He had big, strong hands, as do I now.
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And he would say, "Come here, son."
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And he would shake my hand and squeeze it
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until I was able to squeeze it back.
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And I spent years...
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He's like, "Squeeze back,
squeeze back, squeeze back."
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And now, I've got the grip.
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Alpha males are assholes.
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Pretty much.
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But you're not an asshole.
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There's an asshole in me...
because I'll bite your throat out.
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I'll fucking kill you if I need to.
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An alpha male's not afraid
to risk not being liked.
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It's more important to an alpha male
to express himself...
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than it is to get along with people.
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'Cause an alpha male
doesn't need to get along with people
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'cause he's more powerful than them,
"theoretically."
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An alpha male in the wild doesn't need
to make sure that everybody likes him.
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He's gonna chew their face off
if they don't like him.
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What do you think it'll take
for me to get there?
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I don't think you ever will.
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- How'd that feel, when I said that?
- Well, crushing.
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The only way you get there
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is if I say to you,
"I don't think you ever will,"
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and you go,
"Yeah? Fuck you! I will."
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That's the way you get there.
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No. No. No!
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What part of "no" don't you understand?
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I'm not asking you, I am telling you.
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I'm not asking you, I'm telling you!
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Get out of my way.
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Get the fuck out of my way.
Get the fuck out of my way!
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You can see why
people don't get out of my way.
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Yes, that's it.
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I realize that voice lessons
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don't sound like the fast track
to finding your manhood.
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But I wanted a stronger voice,
to be less of a pushover.
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You're gonna let it go wildly through
your whole body, arms, legs, face.
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Neil's a voice coach who was hoping
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to bring out my inner caveman.
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That's it. Great. Keep going.
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Good, good.
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Yeah, wild. Keep it long.
Really, can you keep 'em long?
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Can you hear yourself
painting the walls with the sound?
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Explore the violence of it, enjoy it.
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Good, now just take a moment and stop.
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Keep your eyes shut.
Now put your hands on your belly.
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And just take in
what you're experiencing now.
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What do you feel?
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Yeah, it brings alive a lot
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that usually stays way,
way beneath the surface.
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It's definitely
a much more aggressive energy
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than I normally carry around.
129
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But I still feel like I'm wearing it
and not inhabiting it, somehow.
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Well, personally, my feeling is
better to wear it than to not get near it.
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There's that phrase,
"Fake it till you make it."
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Right now, I'd like you to
be exploring aggression.
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And I don't expect it to seem natural.
It's not natural to you.
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- You de-habituated yourself to that...
- Right.
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...a long time ago.
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Neil thought
I could learn to be more assertive,
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and I hoped he was right.
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I was male, after all,
and figured I was wired to be assertive.
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So, did you get a chance
to look at my levels?
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I did, yeah.
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- So, what'd they say?
- Well, it's very interesting, actually.
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We're told testosterone is...
262 is the low, to 1,593.
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So a big range,
but that comprises men of all ages.
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And so...
your testosterone came in...
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And remember, I said 262 to 1,593.
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You came in at 262.
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So, the absolute lowest?
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The absolute lowest you can...
But normal.
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Now, I thought, "Ooh, this is
gonna be perfect for a movie."
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I identify more with the qualities
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people tend to associate with women.
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- Empathy, being a good communicator...
- Mmm-hmm. Okay.
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...and those sorts of things,
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and don't identify as much with the things
that are supposed to be male.
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Aggression, competitiveness,
things like that.
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It's funny that
you rattled those off in the...
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'Cause I've been accused
of having no empathy,
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I've been accused
of being a terrible communicator.
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And I've been brimming with confidence
most of my life
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'cause things have just worked out for me.
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Um, but I've never checked
my testosterone level...
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so I don't know.
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You've never been curious in all this work
to test your own level?
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I really haven't.
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My body behaves like a body that
seems to be adequately testosteronized.
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So I've just never checked.
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You talk a lot about
wanting to stand up for yourself,
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and so I think that that's what
you associate with masculinity,
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that kind of confidence,
and that outward appearance
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of somebody who has direction and knows
what they want, goes after it, gets it.
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I've never felt like
you weren't enough of a man.
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You don't seem feminine to me.
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Is that why you fell in love with me,
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because I made you feel
like more of a man?
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No, it's not gonna work, baby.
You're gonna...
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I can't watch everything
you're gonna fall into.
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- You can't?
- No.
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I hadn't been in
a serious relationship in eight years.
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- Hey, Rachel.
- Hey.
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But then I met Rachel.
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For the first time in a long time,
I was able to let someone in.
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Home.
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Things got serious.
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You're the most
romantic guy in the world.
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And before we could plan a wedding...
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It's turning positive.
I'm pregnant.
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Then I heard the words
every father is supposed to wanna hear.
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Wow.
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You are having a little boy.
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A boy! Oh, my God!
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You once said that you felt like
a boy would be more challenging for you
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'cause you also relate more
to women in your life.
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- Yeah.
- And I feel that way, too,
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but I feel excited about that.
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It really feels different.
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It really feels like
it's gonna be such a discovery.
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Like, it's just something so new.
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I didn't grow up with boys at all,
so I feel like,
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"Wow, I get to experience this thing
that I didn't ever know before."
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How do you feel?
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Well, I'm thrilled.
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I'm terrified, actually.
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I feel ready to be a parent.
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But being a father to a son
isn't just being a parent.
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It means bringing a boy into manhood...
a place I feel so far away from myself.
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This is my father.
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It's hard to believe he's 70 years old.
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Don't step on my feet.
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Watch your head.
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If he's ever doubted how to be a man...
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he's not shared it with me.
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You wanna do this exercise?
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- You keep baiting me.
- Yeah, I do.
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I wanna see what you can do, man.
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My dad is a classic 1950s man...
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a kind of Jewish John Wayne.
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He followed the playbook of his time.
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He met my mom in college.
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They married.
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My dad was the provider,
my mom stayed home and raised three kids.
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And 45 years later...
they're still on their honeymoon.
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Stop that, David.
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All right, guys, so tell me the story
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of these jerseys you got on.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Ready, Bets?
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One, two, three.
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They came from the store.
228
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The story of the jerseys is that...
229
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Sit down, baby. It's too...
230
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...every time we pass somebody
riding on our tandem...
231
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Excuse me. Thank you.
232
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- They always...
- The saga of Double Trouble.
233
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They always say the same thing to us.
234
00:12:38,883 --> 00:12:42,344
They always say, "She isn't peddling."
235
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Or, in a lesser sense,
"Someone's following you."
236
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Those are the two cute things
that everyone says,
237
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and they think
they're being totally original.
238
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However, one day, one person said to us,
"A-ha! Double trouble."
239
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Is there any metaphoric
significance to "Double Trouble"?
240
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- No.
- No.
241
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No real deep thinking behind this.
242
00:13:06,077 --> 00:13:08,745
It was just at least
one slightly original statement
243
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that someone made amid all the banality.
244
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And that is our story.
245
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My dad groomed me to be like him.
246
00:13:21,133 --> 00:13:23,760
I went to the same all-boys school
as he did.
247
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I went to Yale like he did.
248
00:13:26,597 --> 00:13:29,016
But I was part of Generation X,
249
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the kids who didn't want
their parents' marriages and careers...
250
00:13:32,854 --> 00:13:35,982
who wanted to explore the world
before settling down.
251
00:13:36,690 --> 00:13:39,151
So after college, I taught high school...
252
00:13:39,235 --> 00:13:42,321
studied at a yeshiva in Jerusalem...
253
00:13:42,905 --> 00:13:45,699
went to graduate school
in American History to become a professor,
254
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which, by the way, I never did.
255
00:13:49,161 --> 00:13:53,415
I didn't just want a job.
I wanted to do something I loved.
256
00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:57,294
At 29, I madeThe New York Times.
257
00:13:57,378 --> 00:14:00,756
Unfortunately, not because
I had accomplished anything,
258
00:14:00,839 --> 00:14:02,925
but precisely because I hadn't.
259
00:14:03,009 --> 00:14:06,803
They featured me in a story
called "Young-Life Crisis."
260
00:14:06,888 --> 00:14:10,182
That's me flipping omelets
in Athens, Georgia,
261
00:14:10,266 --> 00:14:11,683
after quitting graduate school,
262
00:14:11,767 --> 00:14:15,229
but before I started working
at a Jewish museum in Mississippi.
263
00:14:16,438 --> 00:14:20,109
I can hardly imagine
what all this looked like to my father.
264
00:14:21,693 --> 00:14:24,488
Oh, wait... I can.
265
00:14:24,571 --> 00:14:26,240
My father was quoted in the article
266
00:14:26,323 --> 00:14:29,451
saying that my whole generation
was lollygagging through life.
267
00:14:30,744 --> 00:14:33,455
But I knew who he was talking about.
268
00:14:33,539 --> 00:14:35,267
Do you feel like
I'm lollygagging through life?
269
00:14:35,291 --> 00:14:38,669
Well, I would say that...
270
00:14:38,752 --> 00:14:42,048
in somewhat respects, yes,
and in some respects, no.
271
00:14:42,131 --> 00:14:44,300
But in some respects,
do you still think I am?
272
00:14:44,383 --> 00:14:47,803
Well, you don't have
permanent, day-to-day employment.
273
00:14:51,890 --> 00:14:53,767
That isn't exactly true.
274
00:14:54,476 --> 00:14:56,645
I do cobble together a living
as a filmmaker.
275
00:14:59,606 --> 00:15:03,194
It just doesn't look like
a real career to my father.
276
00:15:04,236 --> 00:15:06,396
- At last, at last.
- Hi. I know, finally.
277
00:15:07,323 --> 00:15:08,950
- Hi.
- Hi.
278
00:15:09,033 --> 00:15:10,659
Where's your dad?
279
00:15:10,742 --> 00:15:13,245
He's hiding outside.
I don't know if he wants to be...
280
00:15:13,329 --> 00:15:14,597
Does he not want to be filmed?
281
00:15:14,621 --> 00:15:16,781
- I don't know.
- Here, let me just do it.
282
00:15:21,295 --> 00:15:23,130
Oh, my God.
283
00:15:23,214 --> 00:15:25,549
- Hi.
- Hi. We're dueling cameras.
284
00:15:25,632 --> 00:15:28,469
So, I brought you this memory
from your old bedroom, David.
285
00:15:28,552 --> 00:15:30,072
- What is it?
- Look at David.
286
00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:33,307
He's on his ready. He's not sure
what's coming out of his past.
287
00:15:33,390 --> 00:15:35,392
Only thing that was elegant
in your bedroom.
288
00:15:35,476 --> 00:15:36,744
- Do you remember this?
- What?
289
00:15:36,768 --> 00:15:38,937
- What is this thing?
- Sterling silver.
290
00:15:39,021 --> 00:15:41,232
- Something for you to keep.
- How about that?
291
00:15:41,315 --> 00:15:44,401
Sterling silver bowl
from your bedroom, David.
292
00:15:44,485 --> 00:15:47,113
- The most elegant...
- Oh, my God. Let me see it.
293
00:15:47,196 --> 00:15:49,991
And it's all...
Notice how polished it is, too.
294
00:15:50,074 --> 00:15:51,908
Is it some medal that you won?
295
00:15:51,993 --> 00:15:53,220
- What is it?
- Yeah, I think he did.
296
00:15:53,244 --> 00:15:55,787
It says, "US 1982-83,
297
00:15:55,871 --> 00:15:58,957
Lower School Top Scholar,
David Sampliner."
298
00:15:59,041 --> 00:16:01,043
Oh, my God.
299
00:16:01,961 --> 00:16:03,962
- Oh...
- Oh, my God.
300
00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,048
You won a silver medal.
301
00:16:06,132 --> 00:16:09,801
I still don't know why
my parents chose this particular moment
302
00:16:09,885 --> 00:16:12,763
to trot out a trophy from eighth grade.
303
00:16:14,181 --> 00:16:18,602
Maybe they were trying to show Rachel
that even if it didn't look like it now...
304
00:16:18,685 --> 00:16:20,604
I had once been on top.
305
00:16:21,688 --> 00:16:23,774
My dad was used to success.
306
00:16:24,691 --> 00:16:27,653
For over 40 years,
he had been a very successful surgeon.
307
00:16:28,279 --> 00:16:31,698
He co-authored a groundbreaking textbook
on critical care...
308
00:16:31,782 --> 00:16:35,244
which you can find
in the backpack of a swimsuit model...
309
00:16:35,327 --> 00:16:38,164
on the wall as you enter our house.
310
00:16:38,247 --> 00:16:41,542
I've always been a little embarrassed
by this poster.
311
00:16:41,625 --> 00:16:43,835
My dad... is not.
312
00:16:47,923 --> 00:16:49,675
- So...
- So...
313
00:16:49,758 --> 00:16:52,010
- I'm trying to get...
- David, zip up your pants.
314
00:16:54,221 --> 00:16:56,473
You're coming down here to film
315
00:16:56,557 --> 00:16:57,808
with your pants unzipped.
316
00:16:58,725 --> 00:17:00,936
I don't know what that means.
317
00:17:01,019 --> 00:17:05,191
In all his years as a surgeon,
I never once saw my dad perform surgery.
318
00:17:05,274 --> 00:17:09,278
He never discussed it with me,
and I never asked questions about it.
319
00:17:09,361 --> 00:17:12,823
I'm trying to get a sense
of what your life is like now.
320
00:17:12,906 --> 00:17:14,408
It's fabulous.
321
00:17:14,491 --> 00:17:16,702
- Okay, but now that you're retired...
- It's fabulous.
322
00:17:16,785 --> 00:17:19,663
- ...you're no longer doing surgery.
- Yes.
323
00:17:19,746 --> 00:17:22,040
And I wonder,
do you miss doing the surgery?
324
00:17:22,124 --> 00:17:23,209
Yes.
325
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:26,212
- Yeah?
- Yeah.
326
00:17:26,295 --> 00:17:27,655
So tell me what you miss about it.
327
00:17:27,713 --> 00:17:29,005
It's fun.
328
00:17:30,132 --> 00:17:31,508
But I'm too old to do surgery,
329
00:17:31,592 --> 00:17:33,844
and I realize that,
so I don't do it anymore.
330
00:17:33,927 --> 00:17:37,431
I almost imagine there's, like,
an adrenaline rush that you miss
331
00:17:37,556 --> 00:17:39,308
of all the pressure that you're under.
332
00:17:39,391 --> 00:17:40,726
Not really.
333
00:17:41,643 --> 00:17:43,729
It becomes what you do.
334
00:17:44,646 --> 00:17:46,874
You never had anxiety
about performing it well
335
00:17:46,898 --> 00:17:49,651
when you were under the gun
and someone's life is in the balance?
336
00:17:50,569 --> 00:17:54,573
You have to understand that
it's no different than anybody else's job.
337
00:17:54,656 --> 00:17:56,992
You get trained to do something,
and you do it.
338
00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:58,452
So there's not great pressure.
339
00:17:58,535 --> 00:18:00,662
The only time there's pressure
is in dire emergencies
340
00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:03,582
when people are bleeding,
or something like that.
341
00:18:03,665 --> 00:18:05,000
Well, how did you handle that?
342
00:18:05,084 --> 00:18:06,752
Just very well.
343
00:18:06,835 --> 00:18:09,755
Wasn't a problem. Enjoyed it.
344
00:18:09,838 --> 00:18:13,967
Took care of my job, did it,
and then we were done.
345
00:18:14,050 --> 00:18:16,845
My father sometimes
seemed larger than life.
346
00:18:16,928 --> 00:18:20,307
My college friend, Ed, seemed even larger.
347
00:18:20,391 --> 00:18:24,853
In our circle of friends, I think
probably you and I were the least inclined
348
00:18:24,936 --> 00:18:27,648
toward, what I would call,
like, "macho behavior."
349
00:18:27,731 --> 00:18:29,608
And I think that's probably why,
350
00:18:29,691 --> 00:18:32,486
after school,
we also were hanging out so much,
351
00:18:32,569 --> 00:18:35,781
because I think
we were both finding our way.
352
00:18:35,864 --> 00:18:39,410
I think you were the only person
I knew who, like me,
353
00:18:39,493 --> 00:18:42,246
it never even crossed our minds
354
00:18:42,329 --> 00:18:48,001
that we would be launching ourselves
into a "career."
355
00:18:48,919 --> 00:18:52,088
We both steered clear of
our fathers' professional career paths...
356
00:18:52,173 --> 00:18:54,633
but with somewhat different results.
357
00:18:55,592 --> 00:18:58,845
I envied him now
for his celebrity and success,
358
00:18:58,929 --> 00:19:03,309
but even more for his, well... balls.
359
00:19:03,392 --> 00:19:06,728
When being reductive
to people who don't know you,
360
00:19:06,812 --> 00:19:08,063
or I'm introducing to you,
361
00:19:08,146 --> 00:19:12,401
I'll say like, oh, you know,
"David's a documentary filmmaker."
362
00:19:12,484 --> 00:19:14,320
Um, but even as
one of your better friends,
363
00:19:14,403 --> 00:19:20,284
I don't think I would have as easily said,
"I know what David's pointed ambition is."
364
00:19:20,367 --> 00:19:22,053
I've been vague about my ambition.
365
00:19:22,077 --> 00:19:24,663
I've let it slide all over the map.
366
00:19:24,746 --> 00:19:27,624
It was my way of not entering the game,
not choosing an ambition,
367
00:19:27,708 --> 00:19:30,377
not choosing something
I really wanted to go after and get.
368
00:19:30,461 --> 00:19:31,878
But I think that's the risk thing.
369
00:19:31,962 --> 00:19:35,131
Anytime you choose a target...
370
00:19:36,967 --> 00:19:38,635
you feel like a fake.
371
00:19:38,719 --> 00:19:40,179
And that's the risk zone.
372
00:19:40,262 --> 00:19:43,224
That's the zone in which
you feel vulnerable
373
00:19:43,307 --> 00:19:46,643
because you are risking your ego.
374
00:19:46,727 --> 00:19:50,105
The assertion has to happen
before the reality,
375
00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:51,815
and the assertion is...
376
00:19:53,066 --> 00:19:55,026
is maybe hard, you know?
377
00:19:59,906 --> 00:20:02,909
I always craved
a mentor, a guide...
378
00:20:02,993 --> 00:20:05,787
someone who could reassure me
that I was on the right path.
379
00:20:06,288 --> 00:20:08,749
I tried rabbis, therapists,
380
00:20:08,832 --> 00:20:11,210
and then Lauren, a life coach.
381
00:20:11,293 --> 00:20:15,506
You're a little risk averse
and then it makes you a bit of a pansy.
382
00:20:15,589 --> 00:20:17,090
Sorry.
383
00:20:17,173 --> 00:20:19,277
- You asked.
- What do I do about that?
384
00:20:19,301 --> 00:20:21,762
I think I agree with you.
385
00:20:21,845 --> 00:20:24,765
What do you... You, you know,
make sure you take a risk a day.
386
00:20:24,848 --> 00:20:28,894
Like, you actually strap on balls that
scare the shit out of you every day
387
00:20:28,977 --> 00:20:30,312
and do something.
388
00:20:30,396 --> 00:20:34,525
Right? Like, what you do not want to do,
you find one every day and you do it.
389
00:20:37,068 --> 00:20:41,990
The New Warrior Training Adventure
is a life-changing experience.
390
00:20:42,073 --> 00:20:44,701
I didn't know what being a man was.
391
00:20:44,785 --> 00:20:48,539
I got over so much of the stuff
that was holding me back my whole life.
392
00:20:48,622 --> 00:20:50,081
Only you'll know if you're ready.
393
00:20:50,165 --> 00:20:51,958
Just... do it.
394
00:20:59,049 --> 00:21:02,803
To most people, taking a risk
means skydiving or bungee jumping.
395
00:21:03,304 --> 00:21:06,222
To me, it meant joining a men's group.
396
00:21:06,307 --> 00:21:09,142
The New Warrior Training Adventure.
397
00:21:10,561 --> 00:21:13,814
Like, the title itself freaks me out.
398
00:21:13,897 --> 00:21:16,983
It's, like, 30 guys
going into the woods for the weekend
399
00:21:17,067 --> 00:21:20,946
and that whole stereotype
of men going off into the woods
400
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:23,615
and playing drums,
401
00:21:23,699 --> 00:21:25,784
getting in touch
with their primal feelings...
402
00:21:25,867 --> 00:21:28,495
Like, that whole stereotype
I think is about to come true,
403
00:21:28,579 --> 00:21:29,788
and that freaks me out.
404
00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:34,209
I've always avoided
being a part of a group of guys.
405
00:21:34,292 --> 00:21:35,794
I actually think about things like,
406
00:21:35,877 --> 00:21:38,422
"What T-shirt am I going to wear
on this weekend?"
407
00:21:38,505 --> 00:21:39,548
Put me with other men
408
00:21:39,631 --> 00:21:42,300
and I feel like the girlfriend
tagging along on poker night.
409
00:21:43,218 --> 00:21:46,054
I feel disaster impending.
410
00:21:49,933 --> 00:21:53,645
What I feared would happen did happen.
411
00:21:53,729 --> 00:21:57,023
We got naked and danced around a fire.
412
00:22:04,948 --> 00:22:08,702
But it turns out the weekend wasn't about
getting in touch with our manhood.
413
00:22:08,785 --> 00:22:11,121
It was about getting in touch
with our feelings.
414
00:22:11,204 --> 00:22:14,666
Welcome, new warrior,
David Sampliner.
415
00:22:20,464 --> 00:22:23,717
For the first time,
I joined a group of guys...
416
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,886
and I felt like I belonged.
417
00:22:28,805 --> 00:22:32,142
I've never wanted to join a group, really,
and certainly not a group of men.
418
00:22:32,225 --> 00:22:34,352
Didn't know how to do that.
419
00:22:34,436 --> 00:22:36,897
And one of the most amazing things
about this weekend
420
00:22:36,980 --> 00:22:41,485
was giving me the experience
of dropping all that judgment,
421
00:22:41,568 --> 00:22:44,988
all that "I'm better than that..."
422
00:22:45,071 --> 00:22:48,617
And just letting myself
have an experience without that judgment.
423
00:22:51,912 --> 00:22:54,415
Tell me what you're thinking
about this.
424
00:23:07,761 --> 00:23:11,347
What did you really feel?
Were you totally freaked out?
425
00:23:11,432 --> 00:23:14,392
It just makes me feel, like, icky.
426
00:23:15,727 --> 00:23:19,189
The group love, the group hug,
"We all support each other."
427
00:23:19,272 --> 00:23:21,191
This drippy, share-y...
428
00:23:21,274 --> 00:23:25,236
It's the overenthusiasm of the audience,
the like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah."
429
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,280
"In an instant, I'm like the Buddha."
430
00:23:27,363 --> 00:23:29,866
Like, "I'm enlightened
and I love my brothers."
431
00:23:29,950 --> 00:23:33,244
It's just, like,
how does that happen in a weekend?
432
00:23:33,328 --> 00:23:34,889
I was hoping the Warrior weekend
433
00:23:34,913 --> 00:23:36,915
would make me a different man,
434
00:23:36,998 --> 00:23:38,875
but Rachel was right.
435
00:23:38,959 --> 00:23:41,587
Becoming a different man
would take more than a weekend.
436
00:23:49,177 --> 00:23:51,638
This is my older brother, Michael.
437
00:23:51,722 --> 00:23:53,724
He's the one who takes after my father...
438
00:23:57,227 --> 00:23:58,729
...and then some.
439
00:24:00,105 --> 00:24:02,232
Okay, let's do six more.
440
00:24:02,315 --> 00:24:05,110
As a kid, I wanted to be like him...
441
00:24:05,193 --> 00:24:06,945
especially his body.
442
00:24:10,991 --> 00:24:13,994
But I could never... quite measure up.
443
00:24:14,077 --> 00:24:15,537
There.
444
00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:17,098
Pull back, pull back.
445
00:24:17,122 --> 00:24:19,082
Man, you got some good sound.
446
00:24:27,090 --> 00:24:31,052
Of the two boys in our family,
you're the one that became the man.
447
00:24:32,804 --> 00:24:34,055
How did you do it?
448
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,158
I don't think I was becoming a man,
449
00:24:36,182 --> 00:24:38,393
I think I just was pretending I was a man.
450
00:24:38,476 --> 00:24:40,478
It was all external confidence,
451
00:24:40,562 --> 00:24:44,274
it was all being a leader,
being strong, being athletic.
452
00:24:46,151 --> 00:24:47,962
But if you put me
one-on-one in a room with someone,
453
00:24:47,986 --> 00:24:51,072
I don't think I was truly confident.
454
00:24:51,156 --> 00:24:53,950
I had all the man characteristics,
455
00:24:54,034 --> 00:24:57,370
but I didn't feel like
I was a complete person behind those.
456
00:24:58,288 --> 00:25:01,750
I was a 1950s man in the 1970s,
457
00:25:01,833 --> 00:25:05,003
and by the 1980s,
I don't think it applied much anymore.
458
00:25:06,296 --> 00:25:10,300
Where I am now, being a man for me
is raising two kids well
459
00:25:10,383 --> 00:25:13,136
and having a good relationship at home.
460
00:25:13,219 --> 00:25:16,431
I think my characteristics
that I got from Dad
461
00:25:16,514 --> 00:25:20,351
have been exceptional for me in work
462
00:25:20,435 --> 00:25:22,854
and have been the things
I have to push away the most
463
00:25:22,938 --> 00:25:26,107
to try to have a successful
relationship at home.
464
00:25:28,484 --> 00:25:31,154
Betsy, I want you to go look at the hedge
465
00:25:31,237 --> 00:25:33,657
and see if it's proper, okay, please?
466
00:25:33,740 --> 00:25:35,033
The one right over there,
467
00:25:35,116 --> 00:25:37,303
where I've been waiting for you
for the last bit of time.
468
00:25:37,327 --> 00:25:39,663
Just go walk over there and look, please.
469
00:25:40,706 --> 00:25:42,958
My dad needed things done
a certain way.
470
00:25:43,041 --> 00:25:44,852
They don't have one ACE bandage in here.
471
00:25:44,876 --> 00:25:46,628
That's unbelievable.
472
00:25:46,712 --> 00:25:49,089
And it was a good idea
not to disappoint him.
473
00:25:49,172 --> 00:25:53,009
What I don't understand in that thing...
You don't have one ACE bandage there.
474
00:25:53,093 --> 00:25:54,510
- Yeah, I know, it's...
- Not one.
475
00:25:54,595 --> 00:25:55,738
- I know.
- What are we supposed to do?
476
00:25:55,762 --> 00:25:57,531
How are we supposed to wrap somebody
if they need it?
477
00:25:57,555 --> 00:25:58,556
We call the trainer.
478
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,284
I'm the trainer today.
He's gone with the football team.
479
00:26:00,308 --> 00:26:01,309
I don't know.
480
00:26:01,392 --> 00:26:04,270
We don't have one ACE bandage
in your trainer's kit.
481
00:26:04,354 --> 00:26:05,856
- Okay. Okay.
- Not one.
482
00:26:05,939 --> 00:26:09,818
So I can't wrap anybody with ice.
I can't wrap anybody with anything.
483
00:26:11,236 --> 00:26:13,363
Don't make it so hard on me.
484
00:26:16,241 --> 00:26:17,242
Oh, no.
485
00:26:17,325 --> 00:26:18,827
You're all right-footed, eh?
486
00:26:19,870 --> 00:26:24,290
Before my dad was a surgeon...
he was a star soccer player...
487
00:26:24,374 --> 00:26:27,002
in high school, at Yale.
488
00:26:27,085 --> 00:26:30,213
He even played professionally
while he was in medical school.
489
00:26:30,296 --> 00:26:33,133
Once you have it, you never lose it, Dave.
490
00:26:34,926 --> 00:26:36,803
He loved to repeat this saying.
491
00:26:36,887 --> 00:26:40,306
"Show me a good loser...
and I'll show you a loser."
492
00:26:41,474 --> 00:26:43,894
- Jesus Christ.
- I think I got...
493
00:26:43,977 --> 00:26:46,538
That's what I mean, Dave.
You weren't much of a head case.
494
00:26:46,562 --> 00:26:50,316
I think I accurately reproduced my
10th grade baseball season, right there.
495
00:26:51,234 --> 00:26:55,071
In 10th grade,
I'd lost the ability to throw a baseball.
496
00:26:56,197 --> 00:26:58,742
I had played all my life.
497
00:26:58,825 --> 00:27:01,745
Throwing a baseball was like breathing.
498
00:27:02,370 --> 00:27:04,665
Then suddenly, it wasn't.
499
00:27:07,083 --> 00:27:10,253
I still can't explain why it happened.
500
00:27:11,171 --> 00:27:13,631
My dad thought it was a mental thing.
501
00:27:13,715 --> 00:27:15,967
"Don't be a head case," he'd say.
502
00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:18,219
But I was.
503
00:27:21,389 --> 00:27:23,469
I think I got a lot of
mixed messages from Dad
504
00:27:23,516 --> 00:27:25,601
because Dad was my biggest cheerleader.
505
00:27:25,686 --> 00:27:30,315
He celebrated all of my accomplishments.
506
00:27:30,398 --> 00:27:32,984
But he made it very clear to me
507
00:27:33,068 --> 00:27:36,029
that at the end of the day,
his expectations of me...
508
00:27:36,112 --> 00:27:40,992
were that I would find a nice man,
settle down and be a good housewife.
509
00:27:41,076 --> 00:27:43,870
I remember one point in time
not speaking to him for a while
510
00:27:43,954 --> 00:27:46,622
'cause I was graduating
from graduate school.
511
00:27:46,707 --> 00:27:50,043
He said to me, "Well,
it doesn't really matter what job you get.
512
00:27:50,126 --> 00:27:52,754
You'll just find some man
to take care of you anyways."
513
00:27:53,671 --> 00:27:56,382
But then I realized that, in many ways,
514
00:27:56,466 --> 00:28:01,722
it saved me from a lot of the issues
that you, I think, have had with him.
515
00:28:01,805 --> 00:28:04,224
Because, in his mind,
516
00:28:05,141 --> 00:28:07,143
whatever I've done
has been an accomplishment.
517
00:28:07,227 --> 00:28:10,021
So, while it aggravates me,
518
00:28:10,105 --> 00:28:11,231
in a lot of ways,
519
00:28:11,314 --> 00:28:16,236
I've been the beneficiary
of his sexist perception of the world.
520
00:28:17,528 --> 00:28:18,881
Explain that.
I don't quite get it.
521
00:28:18,905 --> 00:28:22,325
How are you the beneficiary
of his sexist perception of the world?
522
00:28:22,408 --> 00:28:25,536
Because I've never felt
like I've fallen short in his eyes.
523
00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:28,206
Unlike for you, at the end of the day,
524
00:28:28,289 --> 00:28:31,960
the only person I had to prove anything to
was myself.
525
00:28:36,506 --> 00:28:38,925
Three eggs. Three.
526
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:43,679
Compared to Michael,
compared to Dad, what was I like as a guy?
527
00:28:43,764 --> 00:28:45,390
When I think of you as a child,
528
00:28:45,473 --> 00:28:49,227
I think of you
as this totally delightful free spirit,
529
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:54,816
this little sprite who was
dancing and singing through the house.
530
00:29:09,873 --> 00:29:14,044
But in our family,
guys were always expected to play sports.
531
00:29:14,127 --> 00:29:18,548
And as it turned out,
you were an extremely gifted athlete.
532
00:29:18,631 --> 00:29:20,567
Because this little sprite
who danced through the house
533
00:29:20,591 --> 00:29:21,968
was very well coordinated.
534
00:29:22,052 --> 00:29:24,595
The thing that made you different
535
00:29:24,679 --> 00:29:28,433
was that you didn't
really have a killer instinct.
536
00:29:28,516 --> 00:29:31,727
I remember somebody telling you
when you were playing soccer or something,
537
00:29:31,812 --> 00:29:33,939
"David, stop smiling so much."
538
00:29:34,022 --> 00:29:37,650
In other words, stop having so much fun
and go in for the kill.
539
00:30:09,307 --> 00:30:12,768
Hunting was the last thing
I'd ever imagined myself doing.
540
00:30:12,853 --> 00:30:17,523
I still got the tag on this bag.
I think that's got to go.
541
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:21,862
But I still hadn't
really challenged my own instincts.
542
00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:26,657
I needed to do something
indisputably masculine.
543
00:30:26,741 --> 00:30:29,660
- Let's see the hardware.
- Yes.
544
00:30:29,744 --> 00:30:31,079
All right.
545
00:30:31,997 --> 00:30:34,499
The official unsheathing.
546
00:30:35,666 --> 00:30:39,379
- I haven't seen it yet.
- I've barely seen it.
547
00:30:40,171 --> 00:30:44,634
Whoo! Cool.
It looks like a real death machine.
548
00:30:46,052 --> 00:30:49,139
- Doesn't it?
- Yeah, it does. Honestly.
549
00:30:52,725 --> 00:30:55,561
Push it. Don't be shy. Yeah.
550
00:30:55,645 --> 00:30:58,731
- I was afraid to, like, set the thing off.
- Okay.
551
00:30:58,814 --> 00:31:00,254
All right, this is gonna be it, huh?
552
00:31:00,316 --> 00:31:04,445
So, when you pull, just pull gently.
With the finger.
553
00:31:06,364 --> 00:31:08,408
Oh, I have the safety.
554
00:31:08,491 --> 00:31:10,344
I was squeezing the trigger
and I have the safety on.
555
00:31:10,368 --> 00:31:12,370
- What's that?
- I had the safety on.
556
00:31:12,453 --> 00:31:14,390
I was ready to squeeze the trigger
and the safety...
557
00:31:14,414 --> 00:31:15,574
Happens all the time.
558
00:31:17,708 --> 00:31:21,504
I'm at half safety, God damn it.
All right.
559
00:31:21,587 --> 00:31:23,714
- All right, so, you gotta make sure now.
- Yeah.
560
00:31:23,798 --> 00:31:25,860
'Cause you don't want that
to happen with a deer, right?
561
00:31:25,884 --> 00:31:27,010
Yeah.
562
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:33,975
Ah. Fuck, man.
563
00:31:34,935 --> 00:31:36,811
Chamber.
564
00:31:36,894 --> 00:31:39,272
The thing hit me in the forehead. Ah.
565
00:31:40,606 --> 00:31:44,360
Do it. Yank it.
Pull it. Push it. Done.
566
00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:46,112
- Okay.
- Fire again.
567
00:31:46,196 --> 00:31:48,757
I just shouldn't be so close?
This thing knocked me hard in the head.
568
00:31:48,781 --> 00:31:49,782
- It did?
- Yeah.
569
00:31:51,034 --> 00:31:53,012
I don't think I'm bleeding or anything.
It just hit me hard.
570
00:31:53,036 --> 00:31:54,620
Holy shit, you are.
571
00:31:54,704 --> 00:31:57,873
I got a big bruise on my forehead,
I can feel it.
572
00:32:04,547 --> 00:32:06,049
You might need to drive home, dude.
573
00:32:06,132 --> 00:32:08,732
Has this ever happened to anyone
you were teaching shooting?
574
00:32:08,801 --> 00:32:10,511
No. I've never...
575
00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:15,308
I should have been watching him.
I feel bad.
576
00:32:47,173 --> 00:32:48,716
So I just wanted to ask you
577
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,052
what you thought of
the fact that I'm hunting.
578
00:32:51,136 --> 00:32:53,596
To be blunt about it,
this seems like kind of a stab.
579
00:32:53,679 --> 00:32:55,407
Like, "Oh, crap,
I'm not feeling very manly today,
580
00:32:55,431 --> 00:32:56,641
so I'll just go shoot a deer."
581
00:32:56,724 --> 00:32:59,495
Like, as opposed to really intrinsically
building it up from inside you
582
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,937
that it seems to be almost
like an external way
583
00:33:02,022 --> 00:33:05,566
to leapfrog, maybe, some of those steps.
584
00:33:06,651 --> 00:33:08,194
Maybe it's just too obvious.
585
00:33:08,278 --> 00:33:11,072
It's like, "Yeah, I went and shot
and killed a deer."
586
00:33:11,156 --> 00:33:13,283
That doesn't make you a man...
587
00:33:13,366 --> 00:33:18,454
and I think that you're too self-critical
to think that it would.
588
00:33:18,538 --> 00:33:21,166
So you're not going to believe
in the cliché of that.
589
00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:23,293
I'm sure it'd be an intense experience,
590
00:33:23,376 --> 00:33:27,713
but will it bring you any closer
to what you're trying to find or feel?
591
00:33:31,842 --> 00:33:33,362
What do you think
it's gonna be like
592
00:33:33,386 --> 00:33:35,513
when you're aiming at a deer?
593
00:33:35,596 --> 00:33:38,141
When you actually hit a deer?
594
00:33:38,224 --> 00:33:40,768
All I was doing
was firing at a cardboard target.
595
00:33:40,851 --> 00:33:44,439
Just the violence of that gun
really shook me up.
596
00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:47,650
Do you feel ready to kill a deer,
to take its life?
597
00:33:47,733 --> 00:33:49,777
I simply don't know.
598
00:33:57,118 --> 00:34:01,622
I've never had a moment of,
"I'm gonna kill this poor animal."
599
00:34:01,706 --> 00:34:03,666
Feels right to me.
It feels like...
600
00:34:05,501 --> 00:34:09,672
um, part of me that was... missing.
601
00:34:09,755 --> 00:34:15,261
Like the predator that was in all of us
for a hundred thousand years went away,
602
00:34:15,345 --> 00:34:19,474
and then when I took up hunting,
it was just a revelation.
603
00:34:19,557 --> 00:34:20,558
Can you...
604
00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:25,063
You think you're a pussy
and this will make you not a pussy?
605
00:34:25,146 --> 00:34:26,665
It's funny 'cause I don't think...
606
00:34:26,689 --> 00:34:30,693
I don't think shooting a deer
is gonna make me less of a pussy.
607
00:34:30,776 --> 00:34:32,820
- You bought a gun.
- You bought a gun?
608
00:34:32,903 --> 00:34:34,155
Yeah, no shit.
609
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,324
It's so funny
'cause you took that out
610
00:34:36,407 --> 00:34:39,244
and all of a sudden
you seem so much more like a man.
611
00:34:40,870 --> 00:34:46,626
No, I'm serious though.
It was, like, wow, the gun changes things.
612
00:34:46,709 --> 00:34:48,270
Why do you think
a gun changes things?
613
00:34:48,294 --> 00:34:51,589
- Because it's a serious tool.
- It just is.
614
00:34:51,672 --> 00:34:54,092
You could survive with that.
615
00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:57,220
Whereas a second ago,
you were just...
616
00:34:57,303 --> 00:34:59,584
- A pussy sitting on a couch.
- ...a sensitive dude.
617
00:34:59,930 --> 00:35:01,974
Now you're a guy with a gun
618
00:35:02,057 --> 00:35:04,977
and you're gonna go kill something
that you're gonna eat.
619
00:35:09,064 --> 00:35:10,150
Man.
620
00:35:16,989 --> 00:35:19,575
- Got no dirt in it? Okay.
- No, there's none.
621
00:35:21,327 --> 00:35:23,305
I have a feeling
they're gonna be coming
622
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:25,248
from this direction over on top.
623
00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:21,531
David. David.
624
00:37:26,201 --> 00:37:28,829
I've hit the deer, man.
625
00:37:28,913 --> 00:37:30,665
He's lying there.
Do you see it?
626
00:37:33,418 --> 00:37:34,669
God damn.
627
00:37:51,311 --> 00:37:55,315
The only thing I can say is
I'm glad I hit it a bull's-eye
628
00:37:55,398 --> 00:37:56,607
for where I wanted to hit him.
629
00:37:56,691 --> 00:37:59,944
I mean it's, like, instant, instant.
630
00:38:01,195 --> 00:38:05,032
I mean, close to instant death,
but I'm just glad I didn't...
631
00:38:06,742 --> 00:38:08,494
glad I didn't injure him.
632
00:38:09,495 --> 00:38:11,163
Super young buck.
633
00:38:13,165 --> 00:38:15,042
I hit him where I wanted to hit him.
634
00:38:15,125 --> 00:38:16,461
Wow.
635
00:38:16,544 --> 00:38:18,838
- Man.
- That was a perfect shot.
636
00:38:22,132 --> 00:38:23,343
How does it feel?
637
00:38:23,426 --> 00:38:25,302
I don't feel numb,
but I don't...
638
00:38:26,429 --> 00:38:29,223
feel the feeling
of having taken the life of this thing.
639
00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:31,767
I bet it's in the heart.
640
00:38:31,851 --> 00:38:33,644
Which is a bummer
because the heart's yummy.
641
00:38:33,728 --> 00:38:35,980
But nice shot.
642
00:38:36,063 --> 00:38:37,440
Nice shot.
643
00:38:37,523 --> 00:38:41,444
Let me get a picture of you with it
and text it to Peter.
644
00:38:41,527 --> 00:38:43,464
Can you
talk me through this a little bit,
645
00:38:43,488 --> 00:38:46,699
'cause I don't wanna just jump-in do it,
'cause I'm feeling a little...
646
00:38:46,782 --> 00:38:48,368
You did what you set out to accomplish.
647
00:38:48,451 --> 00:38:51,454
You killed an animal
that you're gonna eat.
648
00:38:51,537 --> 00:38:52,997
You should be proud right now.
649
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,542
You should have no other feeling
but pride right now.
650
00:38:57,460 --> 00:39:02,882
So you just go right behind him.
Go on your knee, hold him up like that.
651
00:39:04,091 --> 00:39:06,469
I mean, is that respect?
I just wanna make...
652
00:39:06,552 --> 00:39:09,221
I don't wanna be holding him
in the trophy way, you know?
653
00:39:09,304 --> 00:39:10,473
Well...
654
00:39:10,556 --> 00:39:13,100
That's my concern.
655
00:39:13,183 --> 00:39:15,353
This is just...
You got one. This is your first.
656
00:39:15,436 --> 00:39:18,564
This is rite of passage.
This is awesome.
657
00:39:21,984 --> 00:39:23,653
Oh, man.
658
00:39:37,792 --> 00:39:38,832
But I'm not hungry.
659
00:39:38,876 --> 00:39:41,128
- Oh, Lord...
- This lady's not hungry.
660
00:39:41,211 --> 00:39:43,291
People could come,
start having their dinner.
661
00:39:44,549 --> 00:39:47,342
I had accomplished
exactly what I'd hoped for.
662
00:39:48,469 --> 00:39:51,096
But having gone to this extreme...
663
00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:53,307
I expected to feel something different...
664
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,144
some internal shift.
665
00:39:58,103 --> 00:39:59,354
And I didn't.
666
00:39:59,439 --> 00:40:02,692
I looked at it as a sport
that you were participating in.
667
00:40:02,775 --> 00:40:04,193
- Did you really think that?
- What?
668
00:40:04,276 --> 00:40:06,004
- That he was just going for a sport.
- Yeah.
669
00:40:06,028 --> 00:40:08,238
- Well, how?
- 'Cause I didn't...
670
00:40:08,322 --> 00:40:12,452
How does that in any way
fit in the picture of your son?
671
00:40:13,368 --> 00:40:16,456
Yeah, it really didn't. I had no
deep, intellectual thoughts about it.
672
00:40:16,539 --> 00:40:18,600
- It's not that...
- It's not deep, intellectual.
673
00:40:18,624 --> 00:40:20,835
You have to be practically blind
to think that.
674
00:40:21,627 --> 00:40:24,630
I knew my dad
did think about my life.
675
00:40:24,714 --> 00:40:27,049
It also seemed pretty clear to me
what he thought about it.
676
00:40:27,132 --> 00:40:32,012
If you don't have confidence
and you're beset by this internal turmoil,
677
00:40:32,096 --> 00:40:34,765
then you can't get from A to B.
678
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:41,396
And so, the person that becomes
head of something or successful
679
00:40:41,481 --> 00:40:46,026
has to have enough confidence
to move from milestone to milestone.
680
00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:48,863
And therein lies
your frustration with David.
681
00:40:48,946 --> 00:40:49,947
No, I didn't say that.
682
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:52,241
- It does not mean...
- But David didn't move A to B.
683
00:40:52,324 --> 00:40:54,869
He moved A to here, to here,
to here, to get to B.
684
00:40:54,952 --> 00:40:58,581
That's okay, but you have to have
the confidence to make the move.
685
00:40:58,664 --> 00:41:01,000
Oh, so that's maybe not why
you were upset with David.
686
00:41:01,083 --> 00:41:03,503
That's what your worry
or the concern was.
687
00:41:03,586 --> 00:41:08,090
It was a concern that you had
the spine, the confidence,
688
00:41:08,173 --> 00:41:11,969
whatever it took, to get to somewhere,
wherever that somewhere is.
689
00:41:12,052 --> 00:41:13,513
So, what's so interesting is,
690
00:41:13,596 --> 00:41:15,681
for me, A to B,
691
00:41:15,765 --> 00:41:18,893
- that straight logical path is so easy.
- Right.
692
00:41:18,976 --> 00:41:21,729
So, what you define
as the way to get there
693
00:41:21,812 --> 00:41:24,899
and to have the determination
to get on top is the easy path,
694
00:41:24,982 --> 00:41:26,084
- which I...
- Not necessarily.
695
00:41:26,108 --> 00:41:28,504
- For me, it is. Which I chose...
- For you it is, but not for him.
696
00:41:28,528 --> 00:41:30,320
So, I had a lot of respect
for David because
697
00:41:30,404 --> 00:41:33,741
he took what I consider
a more difficult path to get to B.
698
00:41:33,824 --> 00:41:36,201
As you see it as a potential weakness,
699
00:41:36,285 --> 00:41:39,705
- or maybe a sense of indecision, or...
- No. No, no, no, no.
700
00:41:39,789 --> 00:41:41,415
I see it as actually a strength to say,
701
00:41:41,498 --> 00:41:44,960
"Well, maybe I wanna dabble here,
here and here before I get here,
702
00:41:45,044 --> 00:41:47,379
because I'll get there a more full B."
703
00:41:50,299 --> 00:41:54,094
What kind of pancreatic disease
causes intra-abdominal hemorrhage?
704
00:41:54,178 --> 00:41:55,304
What kind of...
705
00:41:55,387 --> 00:41:57,557
Pancreatic disease.
706
00:41:59,016 --> 00:42:00,976
- Pancreatic pseudocyst.
- Yeah.
707
00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:02,812
Could you then have done
a cholangiogram?
708
00:42:02,895 --> 00:42:04,897
- We could've.
- What kind?
709
00:42:07,525 --> 00:42:09,694
- What kind?
- What kind of cholangiogram?
710
00:42:09,777 --> 00:42:12,154
Yeah, what kind of cholangiogram?
711
00:42:13,739 --> 00:42:16,116
What percent of patients
with gallstone pancreatitis
712
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,619
have associated common duct stones?
713
00:42:18,703 --> 00:42:20,138
I'm not entirely sure.
I don't know.
714
00:42:20,162 --> 00:42:21,789
- 10%.
- Okay.
715
00:42:23,248 --> 00:42:26,293
I think you've overstepped
your bounds a little bit.
716
00:42:26,376 --> 00:42:28,229
I never considered
following my father
717
00:42:28,253 --> 00:42:29,964
into the surgical profession.
718
00:42:30,881 --> 00:42:33,383
None of my siblings
went into medicine either.
719
00:42:34,301 --> 00:42:37,012
Maybe we were all too aware
of the toll it took.
720
00:42:37,096 --> 00:42:40,557
Dad coming home
and yelling a lot and being really angry
721
00:42:40,641 --> 00:42:42,977
had a, I think,
big effect on me growing up.
722
00:42:43,060 --> 00:42:44,937
What was that experience like
for you as a kid?
723
00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:46,021
Do you remember?
724
00:42:46,105 --> 00:42:48,691
I think I noticed it growing up,
but I don't...
725
00:42:48,774 --> 00:42:51,276
For some reason,
it never really bothered...
726
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,364
I mean, it bothered me in the sense that,
you know, it wasn't always pleasant.
727
00:42:55,447 --> 00:42:58,117
And who wants to live in
a household with screaming?
728
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,412
But it didn't bother me in the sense that
it made me want to run from the house.
729
00:43:06,083 --> 00:43:11,797
My response to him is
the most basic part of my personality.
730
00:43:11,881 --> 00:43:17,011
I think by not trying to
have the kind of anger
731
00:43:17,094 --> 00:43:21,932
and irrational rage that he had,
732
00:43:22,016 --> 00:43:25,227
I successfully was able to, you know,
733
00:43:25,310 --> 00:43:29,189
figure a way to keep it from coming out.
734
00:43:29,273 --> 00:43:32,359
So, I have very good mechanisms for...
735
00:43:33,277 --> 00:43:35,154
holding all that stuff in.
736
00:43:35,237 --> 00:43:39,992
But by making sure
I was not him in that sort of way,
737
00:43:40,075 --> 00:43:43,495
I left myself really compromised
with the ability to kind of...
738
00:43:43,578 --> 00:43:46,290
um, deal with those emotions.
739
00:43:46,373 --> 00:43:50,002
'Cause I was just great
at putting a lid on 'em.
740
00:43:59,219 --> 00:44:00,906
I'm the only person
in the neighborhood
741
00:44:00,930 --> 00:44:03,015
that the dog barks at.
742
00:44:04,684 --> 00:44:06,852
You love it, Dave?
743
00:44:06,936 --> 00:44:09,689
If being a man
was being my father...
744
00:44:09,772 --> 00:44:12,024
then I wanted nothing to do with manhood.
745
00:44:13,859 --> 00:44:17,446
If he was aggressive,
I would be unthreatening.
746
00:44:17,529 --> 00:44:21,366
If he was domineering,
I would be accommodating.
747
00:44:21,450 --> 00:44:23,618
If he was competitive...
748
00:44:23,703 --> 00:44:27,081
I would be the least competitive person
anyone knew.
749
00:44:27,164 --> 00:44:30,375
If you've denied
your father's greatness in any way,
750
00:44:30,459 --> 00:44:33,378
it's stopping you from your ambition.
751
00:44:33,462 --> 00:44:37,382
Because if you went and got ambitious,
and you went after making a lot of money,
752
00:44:37,466 --> 00:44:40,302
and you would, therefore,
have to go after the discipline
753
00:44:40,385 --> 00:44:43,305
and the arrogance to make it happen...
754
00:44:44,223 --> 00:44:46,141
he'd be right.
755
00:44:47,226 --> 00:44:49,686
Right? And so that's blasphemy,
756
00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:52,606
given you've already committed
to the other side,
757
00:44:52,689 --> 00:44:55,567
called, "Ugh, fuck you,
I'm not doing that. You're wrong."
758
00:44:55,650 --> 00:45:00,155
We've all cut major things out
to spite them,
759
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,199
but it only spites us.
760
00:45:14,169 --> 00:45:15,545
So, Pops...
761
00:45:15,629 --> 00:45:17,589
Yes, sir.
762
00:45:17,672 --> 00:45:19,484
I wanted to tell you
what my film was about.
763
00:45:21,010 --> 00:45:22,278
Haven't you been wondering?
764
00:45:22,302 --> 00:45:27,099
Uh, I have no idea, Dave.
I just don't ask questions. You know me.
765
00:45:27,182 --> 00:45:32,312
I'm just a loyal subject.
I'm going for an Oscar.
766
00:45:33,438 --> 00:45:34,731
What's your film about?
767
00:45:34,815 --> 00:45:39,444
Well, my film, I believe,
is really about the two of us.
768
00:45:39,528 --> 00:45:40,821
Yeah?
769
00:45:41,738 --> 00:45:45,617
And how we bonded
over a Rose of Sharon?
770
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:48,096
We're both going through
big moments of transition.
771
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,331
I am trying to come into my manhood.
772
00:45:51,415 --> 00:45:54,168
And I'm leaving it.
773
00:45:54,251 --> 00:45:55,728
Well, I wasn't gonna put it that way.
774
00:45:55,752 --> 00:45:59,089
Well, it's not true, Dave.
Whatever you said, it's not true.
775
00:45:59,173 --> 00:46:01,109
So, tell me
what you think it's about, then.
776
00:46:01,133 --> 00:46:02,277
Or what's happening with you?
777
00:46:02,301 --> 00:46:03,361
What's happening with me?
778
00:46:03,385 --> 00:46:05,196
Yeah.
What phase of life are you in?
779
00:46:05,220 --> 00:46:07,014
I'm in a good phase.
780
00:46:07,097 --> 00:46:08,849
I'm in the phase of total pleasure
781
00:46:08,933 --> 00:46:13,187
with no responsibility
except to myself and my family.
782
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:14,897
- It's great.
- Yeah?
783
00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:18,108
I don't worry about anything anymore.
784
00:46:19,026 --> 00:46:24,156
And how do you see
your coming into a new era of life?
785
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,634
I feel like becoming a father
is a pretty new era.
786
00:46:26,658 --> 00:46:28,845
That's right.
It's not only a pretty new era,
787
00:46:28,869 --> 00:46:31,205
it's a pretty big change, isn't it?
788
00:46:31,288 --> 00:46:32,789
It's a huge change.
789
00:46:33,790 --> 00:46:38,587
What was it like for you when
you made that step oh-so-many years ago?
790
00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:43,675
Well, first of all, it was a surprise,
so that started things off.
791
00:46:43,758 --> 00:46:45,445
Yeah, you did it earlier
than you wanted to, right?
792
00:46:45,469 --> 00:46:48,013
Well, let's say
we hadn't planned on it.
793
00:46:48,097 --> 00:46:49,324
- How's that?
- Right.
794
00:46:49,348 --> 00:46:51,725
So, how did it change your life?
When it happened?
795
00:46:51,808 --> 00:46:53,936
It didn't change my life at all.
I just...
796
00:46:54,019 --> 00:46:56,646
I was on every other night, regardless.
797
00:46:56,730 --> 00:46:59,500
But you said you never changed a diaper,
so I guess maybe it...
798
00:46:59,524 --> 00:47:01,204
Well, I didn't like to do that,
that's why.
799
00:47:01,235 --> 00:47:02,862
I could've, but I didn't.
800
00:47:02,945 --> 00:47:07,241
I think it probably changed Mom's life
a lot more than it changed my life.
801
00:47:07,324 --> 00:47:09,659
Well, do you feel like...
802
00:47:09,743 --> 00:47:13,288
making those transitions
made you more of a man?
803
00:47:13,372 --> 00:47:15,665
I never thought about it, Dave.
I really never did.
804
00:47:15,749 --> 00:47:17,501
- Yeah?
- We just...
805
00:47:17,584 --> 00:47:20,045
In those days...
806
00:47:20,129 --> 00:47:22,547
growing up the way I grew up,
807
00:47:22,631 --> 00:47:25,842
with parents that said,
808
00:47:25,926 --> 00:47:30,805
"You work and go to school,
and you do something."
809
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:34,018
I was, as they call today,
a straight arrow.
810
00:47:34,101 --> 00:47:37,146
So I went from college
to medical school,
811
00:47:37,229 --> 00:47:40,315
to internship, to residency, to practice.
812
00:47:40,399 --> 00:47:41,400
And...
813
00:47:43,777 --> 00:47:47,656
you know,
when you go into surgery as an intern,
814
00:47:47,739 --> 00:47:52,536
when you're, what, 26 years old
or something like that...
815
00:47:52,619 --> 00:47:55,205
and you start cutting on people,
816
00:47:55,289 --> 00:47:57,791
you don't think about growing up
and being a man.
817
00:47:57,874 --> 00:47:59,709
You just... You're there.
818
00:47:59,793 --> 00:48:04,464
You don't have much time
to intellectualize what happens.
819
00:48:04,548 --> 00:48:06,091
You just do it.
820
00:48:11,221 --> 00:48:14,016
I usually try to find
the front part of the pelvic bone, here,
821
00:48:14,099 --> 00:48:19,396
and then I just kind of lay my palms
down on this fleshy muscle back here.
822
00:48:19,479 --> 00:48:21,231
I hoped fatherhood
would somehow
823
00:48:21,315 --> 00:48:23,608
bring me closer to my father.
824
00:48:23,692 --> 00:48:26,361
It would give us a common experience.
825
00:48:26,445 --> 00:48:30,574
But it was also pretty clear how little
our experiences would have in common.
826
00:48:30,657 --> 00:48:32,826
- It's, like, the hipbones are here.
- Yeah.
827
00:48:32,909 --> 00:48:34,469
- So, it's like...
- Just pressing in...
828
00:48:34,536 --> 00:48:35,931
- Yeah.
- ...under the front hipbone, like that?
829
00:48:35,955 --> 00:48:37,247
Yeah, but let's ask her.
830
00:48:37,331 --> 00:48:38,707
Like that?
831
00:48:39,208 --> 00:48:41,186
Does that feel like it's opening
the cervix or whatever?
832
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:42,603
I think you're just...
Can you ask her?
833
00:48:42,627 --> 00:48:44,754
- How's that?
- That's good.
834
00:48:44,838 --> 00:48:45,898
- Is that different?
- Yeah, it's different,
835
00:48:45,922 --> 00:48:48,633
'cause she's pushing on the muscle,
not the bone itself.
836
00:48:48,717 --> 00:48:49,718
Okay.
837
00:48:49,801 --> 00:48:52,304
No, I'm not sure
this is gonna happen.
838
00:48:52,387 --> 00:48:53,489
Yes, it is.
839
00:48:53,513 --> 00:48:56,433
He's so big and it's so small.
840
00:48:57,642 --> 00:48:59,853
Ian and his wife
were taking the class, too,
841
00:48:59,936 --> 00:49:02,106
since their son was due
just ahead of ours.
842
00:49:02,189 --> 00:49:03,666
- I don't like you anymore.
- Honey...
843
00:49:03,690 --> 00:49:05,942
I love you. It's okay.
844
00:49:06,026 --> 00:49:08,737
- I love you.
- The sex wasn't that good anyway.
845
00:49:10,072 --> 00:49:12,157
I hate your father.
846
00:49:13,075 --> 00:49:15,660
He shouldn't have said that
at the wedding.
847
00:49:16,996 --> 00:49:19,456
This is a mistake.
848
00:49:19,539 --> 00:49:21,291
You're gonna be holding the baby soon.
849
00:49:21,375 --> 00:49:22,518
- You're almost there.
- No, I'm not!
850
00:49:22,542 --> 00:49:24,044
Yes, you are.
851
00:49:24,128 --> 00:49:25,754
The baby's stuck!
852
00:49:33,845 --> 00:49:35,847
Nat Sherman cigars.
853
00:49:36,765 --> 00:49:38,142
The best.
854
00:49:38,225 --> 00:49:41,353
I came over to celebrate
the birth of Ian's son.
855
00:49:42,271 --> 00:49:46,775
My son was almost here, too,
and I still felt like the same guy.
856
00:49:46,858 --> 00:49:49,778
I wondered if it would take
becoming a father to change.
857
00:49:49,861 --> 00:49:51,113
Shoot.
858
00:49:52,031 --> 00:49:54,616
Do you feel like
fatherhood changed you?
859
00:50:01,081 --> 00:50:02,166
Yeah.
860
00:50:02,249 --> 00:50:03,250
I'd say.
861
00:50:03,708 --> 00:50:08,255
What we're dealing with as fathers,
as new parents...
862
00:50:08,338 --> 00:50:10,549
is so much.
863
00:50:10,632 --> 00:50:13,677
So much life. Joy.
864
00:50:14,803 --> 00:50:16,263
Fear.
865
00:50:17,181 --> 00:50:18,723
Frustration.
866
00:50:20,392 --> 00:50:21,768
Pride.
867
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,149
And you can't deal with bullshit now,
'cause you're dealing with life.
868
00:50:28,317 --> 00:50:32,737
And cigars, which never interested me
at all, at all, ever...
869
00:50:32,821 --> 00:50:34,406
are now somewhat charming.
870
00:50:35,324 --> 00:50:37,826
Better with the whiskey,
but somewhat charming.
871
00:50:41,121 --> 00:50:42,640
So, how do you think
you're different
872
00:50:42,664 --> 00:50:44,583
than your dad in all this?
873
00:50:44,666 --> 00:50:49,379
My dad
was a firm believer in tough love.
874
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:56,678
And I'm a firm believer in...
love...
875
00:50:56,761 --> 00:50:59,514
with, at times, a bit of toughness.
876
00:50:59,598 --> 00:51:03,727
But that's a big difference, actually.
It's a big difference.
877
00:51:05,854 --> 00:51:09,108
All right, this baby
could come any minute now,
878
00:51:09,191 --> 00:51:13,362
so I'm just curious
how do you think my life is gonna change?
879
00:51:13,445 --> 00:51:15,614
Change implies
some sort of percentage, you know?
880
00:51:15,697 --> 00:51:19,118
Is it 10% of more change
or 30% change or...
881
00:51:19,201 --> 00:51:20,678
But I think essentially
what happens is
882
00:51:20,702 --> 00:51:23,997
your current life ends
and you begin an entirely new life.
883
00:51:25,207 --> 00:51:26,851
Do you, David,
take Rachel to be your wife?
884
00:51:26,875 --> 00:51:27,876
I do.
885
00:51:27,959 --> 00:51:29,753
I now pronounce you
husband and wife.
886
00:51:29,836 --> 00:51:32,381
Congratulations.
You may kiss the bride.
887
00:51:35,759 --> 00:51:38,359
A lot of those things that
you enjoy about your old life,
888
00:51:38,387 --> 00:51:42,349
you kind of have to throw out
and start a whole new way of living.
889
00:51:42,432 --> 00:51:44,034
You're not reassuring me, man.
890
00:51:44,058 --> 00:51:46,436
Well, that depends on
how much you liked your past life.
891
00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:55,570
"Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child."
892
00:51:56,488 --> 00:52:00,950
Every psychological thing that
you haven't dealt with will rear itself
893
00:52:01,034 --> 00:52:02,661
because of this child.
894
00:52:03,578 --> 00:52:07,207
And therefore, it becomes
some of the most challenging time,
895
00:52:07,291 --> 00:52:10,145
and, of course, then also potentially
the most rewarding time of your life,
896
00:52:10,169 --> 00:52:14,047
because, um, you could...
you actually could grow as a person.
897
00:52:14,923 --> 00:52:16,675
- Hello?
- Hi.
898
00:52:16,758 --> 00:52:17,759
Hi!
899
00:52:17,842 --> 00:52:19,469
Guess what?
900
00:52:19,553 --> 00:52:21,263
- What?
- You're a grandma.
901
00:52:21,346 --> 00:52:24,015
Oh, my God!
902
00:52:24,974 --> 00:52:26,726
He's so beautiful.
903
00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:28,270
What's his name?
904
00:52:29,188 --> 00:52:33,858
We're not 100% sure yet,
so you have to wait till tomorrow.
905
00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:36,570
They're there?
906
00:52:36,653 --> 00:52:39,573
Yeah, we're just, uh...
we're just in love.
907
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:53,044
It's such a physical feeling,
isn't it? It's not mental.
908
00:52:53,127 --> 00:52:56,506
It's like your heart just goes, like...
909
00:52:57,424 --> 00:52:59,801
Yeah, it's not in your brain.
910
00:53:04,514 --> 00:53:06,766
Hello, buddy.
911
00:53:06,850 --> 00:53:08,268
I'm your dad.
912
00:53:08,352 --> 00:53:10,812
For better and for worse, I'm your pops.
913
00:53:18,820 --> 00:53:20,071
- Hi, Rach.
- Hi!
914
00:53:20,154 --> 00:53:23,408
- How are you? Congratulations.
- Good. Thank you.
915
00:53:23,492 --> 00:53:25,535
Here's your seventh grandchild.
916
00:53:25,619 --> 00:53:28,079
Oh, my God. It's huge!
917
00:53:28,162 --> 00:53:29,956
Hey, baby.
918
00:53:31,625 --> 00:53:33,143
- There you go.
- Isn't that a beautiful baby?
919
00:53:33,167 --> 00:53:35,020
- Isn't he a gorgeous baby?
- Oh, my God.
920
00:53:35,044 --> 00:53:36,856
- That's your grandpa.
- Better look out, David.
921
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,090
He's gonna be chasing the chicks early.
922
00:53:40,008 --> 00:53:41,092
Hi, there.
923
00:53:41,175 --> 00:53:42,695
- So, you guys having a good time?
- You wanna hold him?
924
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,614
- Well, sure, if I'm allowed to.
- Yeah.
925
00:53:44,638 --> 00:53:46,640
I never wanna
usurp mother's territory.
926
00:53:46,723 --> 00:53:48,016
No. Ready?
927
00:53:48,099 --> 00:53:49,201
Watch out for his neck.
928
00:53:49,225 --> 00:53:50,352
I know how to do it, Betsy.
929
00:53:50,435 --> 00:53:51,537
- I've been there.
- I bet you do.
930
00:53:51,561 --> 00:53:54,230
Hi, there.
931
00:53:54,314 --> 00:53:55,565
How are you?
932
00:53:57,692 --> 00:53:59,694
Got a little smile for me?
933
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,116
Did you poop again?
934
00:54:06,034 --> 00:54:09,078
Buddy, you are a poop machine.
935
00:54:09,162 --> 00:54:12,165
Okay. All right, my man.
936
00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:16,795
Could we get you to sleep a little bit?
937
00:54:16,878 --> 00:54:18,212
Is that what you need?
938
00:54:22,175 --> 00:54:23,635
Is that a "no"?
939
00:54:25,429 --> 00:54:26,680
Pacifier.
940
00:54:31,601 --> 00:54:34,604
Okay, love, okay.
941
00:54:36,356 --> 00:54:40,276
Can I sing you a little song?
Can I sing you a little song?
942
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:41,403
Okay.
943
00:55:02,841 --> 00:55:05,861
I never really doubted that
I could handle this part of fatherhood.
944
00:55:05,885 --> 00:55:09,055
Wow, you're doing great, buddy.
You wanna come to Daddy?
945
00:55:09,138 --> 00:55:12,559
In the early months,
being a softie was the job description.
946
00:55:12,642 --> 00:55:16,229
Yeah, buddy, yeah.
You're doing great.
947
00:55:16,312 --> 00:55:19,941
But eventually, I felt like
I would need to be more than a nurturer
948
00:55:20,024 --> 00:55:21,735
to be his father.
949
00:55:29,117 --> 00:55:32,161
So, babe, are you saying that
you don't wanna have a second kid?
950
00:55:32,245 --> 00:55:34,163
Is that what you're saying?
951
00:55:35,081 --> 00:55:36,934
I'm not saying
I don't wanna have a second kid.
952
00:55:36,958 --> 00:55:41,421
I'm saying that I don't think I can play
the same role with the second child
953
00:55:41,505 --> 00:55:43,423
that I play with Gabriel.
954
00:55:43,507 --> 00:55:45,717
Do you wanna have a second child?
955
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,761
I think I do.
956
00:55:47,844 --> 00:55:52,474
I thought about how it's gonna
put strain on our relationship, maybe,
957
00:55:52,557 --> 00:55:56,144
and the balance that
we've been able to strike, and my career.
958
00:55:56,227 --> 00:56:00,524
But when I think about
the long-term spectrum of my life,
959
00:56:00,607 --> 00:56:05,236
I feel like I would much more regret
not having another child than I would,
960
00:56:05,319 --> 00:56:07,406
like, "Oh, I didn't edit this film."
961
00:56:07,489 --> 00:56:09,258
But I thought
you were so conflicted about it.
962
00:56:09,282 --> 00:56:10,593
I thought you really were worried.
963
00:56:10,617 --> 00:56:13,703
You're not quite established
in your career as you wanna be.
964
00:56:13,787 --> 00:56:17,290
And if you have another child, you're
gonna just have to further postpone that.
965
00:56:17,373 --> 00:56:19,751
Well, you know, the thing
that makes me worried about that
966
00:56:19,834 --> 00:56:21,836
is more the way that you talk about it.
967
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,379
You know...
968
00:56:23,463 --> 00:56:26,675
"I'm not gonna be there
in the way that I was with Gabriel."
969
00:56:26,758 --> 00:56:28,635
So you, kind of,
put it all on my shoulders.
970
00:56:28,718 --> 00:56:31,513
But I feel like
you have the same dilemma I have.
971
00:56:31,596 --> 00:56:32,764
I have the same dilemma.
972
00:56:33,682 --> 00:56:38,186
For me, I guess, my priorities are about
having the family that I wanna have.
973
00:56:38,269 --> 00:56:39,979
When I really look in my heart,
974
00:56:40,063 --> 00:56:42,941
I just feel like
that comes to the surface more.
975
00:56:43,024 --> 00:56:45,401
I'm afraid that
having a second child
976
00:56:45,485 --> 00:56:49,030
will somehow prevent me from
getting where I want to go in my career,
977
00:56:49,113 --> 00:56:50,740
since I'm not where I wanna be yet.
978
00:56:50,824 --> 00:56:54,118
Well, that's what I...
Why aren't you there already?
979
00:56:54,202 --> 00:56:56,287
You know, what's prevented you so far?
980
00:56:56,370 --> 00:56:58,039
I feel like that's an excuse,
981
00:56:58,122 --> 00:57:00,750
to say that
another child will prevent you,
982
00:57:00,834 --> 00:57:04,128
'cause you're 41.
983
00:57:04,212 --> 00:57:06,548
Why haven't you gotten there already?
984
00:57:08,883 --> 00:57:12,386
One of the lessons I've learnt,
being a man now without a father,
985
00:57:12,471 --> 00:57:14,556
is that I'm the father now.
986
00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:18,727
There's nobody to look to
to find out if I'm right or if I'm wrong.
987
00:57:18,810 --> 00:57:22,481
And that brings
a lot of power to your life.
988
00:57:23,607 --> 00:57:27,068
Before, when my dad was still with us,
I was always looking.
989
00:57:27,151 --> 00:57:30,614
"Who am I in relationship to him?
990
00:57:30,697 --> 00:57:32,866
Am I making him proud?"
991
00:57:32,949 --> 00:57:36,244
And... I'm cool with him,
he's cool with me.
992
00:57:36,327 --> 00:57:38,121
And I'm playing my own game.
993
00:57:39,413 --> 00:57:43,042
Everything in life is about
making your own way.
994
00:57:45,504 --> 00:57:47,130
That's what it's about.
995
00:57:48,047 --> 00:57:51,467
And if you can,
then it changes everything, if you can.
996
00:57:51,551 --> 00:57:56,389
It changes your dynamic with your spouse.
It changes your dynamic at work.
997
00:57:56,472 --> 00:57:58,224
It changes everything,
998
00:57:58,307 --> 00:58:00,852
if you're not looking
outside of yourself for approval.
999
00:58:02,353 --> 00:58:06,232
I miss my father very much.
I love my father very much.
1000
00:58:06,315 --> 00:58:08,317
And we're unveiling his tombstone
on Sunday.
1001
00:58:08,401 --> 00:58:11,821
But there's a positive as well
to losing a parent.
1002
00:58:11,905 --> 00:58:15,074
Especially if you can make the peace,
as I did with my dad.
1003
00:58:15,158 --> 00:58:17,952
'Cause there was peace that needed
to be made, and it was made.
1004
00:58:18,036 --> 00:58:22,541
Now in regards to your dad, you know...
this is what I would say, like...
1005
00:58:22,624 --> 00:58:26,335
make sure your last memories of him
are clean.
1006
00:58:26,419 --> 00:58:27,587
'Cause it'll help a lot.
1007
00:58:27,671 --> 00:58:30,339
Because I have to think back to stuff
1008
00:58:30,423 --> 00:58:33,051
that is troublesome
between my father and myself.
1009
00:58:33,968 --> 00:58:35,595
Because that's not what's directly here.
1010
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:36,680
What's directly here is
1011
00:58:36,763 --> 00:58:38,807
the last four months
of our lives together.
1012
00:58:38,890 --> 00:58:42,518
He looked at me in the last couple of days
of his life and he said,
1013
00:58:42,602 --> 00:58:44,437
"Of all three of my sons,
1014
00:58:44,521 --> 00:58:47,065
you could have been the biggest screw-up
and you're not."
1015
00:58:47,148 --> 00:58:50,484
And that was kind of a big moment...
because now...
1016
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,198
I'm not... to him.
1017
00:58:55,281 --> 00:58:57,659
It's interesting,
you got your father's blessing
1018
00:58:57,742 --> 00:59:00,411
and I'm not sure I've gotten mine.
1019
00:59:00,494 --> 00:59:01,955
I don't know that I will.
1020
00:59:04,874 --> 00:59:06,334
Get it.
1021
00:59:07,919 --> 00:59:10,504
All right, take me there, Dad.
Let's go.
1022
00:59:10,589 --> 00:59:13,049
Here, why don't we just
put the umbrella down? Seriously.
1023
00:59:13,132 --> 00:59:14,258
Take it with... I need it.
1024
00:59:14,342 --> 00:59:17,971
You don't need it. It's hardly raining.
It's in the way.
1025
00:59:18,054 --> 00:59:19,222
All right.
1026
00:59:22,726 --> 00:59:24,704
If this equipment stops working
'cause of the rain,
1027
00:59:24,728 --> 00:59:25,830
you know who's gonna get blamed.
1028
00:59:25,854 --> 00:59:27,438
Yeah, you.
1029
00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:30,859
You picked a bad day.
1030
00:59:31,860 --> 00:59:33,820
So how often do you go out here, Dad?
1031
00:59:33,903 --> 00:59:34,988
Twice a year.
1032
00:59:35,071 --> 00:59:36,530
- Yeah?
- Yeah.
1033
00:59:36,615 --> 00:59:38,282
And how come?
1034
00:59:38,366 --> 00:59:41,661
To make sure the stones are intact
and everything's kept up,
1035
00:59:41,745 --> 00:59:45,039
and respect for my deceased parents.
1036
00:59:45,123 --> 00:59:46,124
Yeah?
1037
00:59:46,207 --> 00:59:47,810
And tell me what you do out here
when you're out here.
1038
00:59:47,834 --> 00:59:50,544
I drive by and make sure everything's okay
and I leave.
1039
00:59:50,629 --> 00:59:53,381
- You never get out of your car?
- No.
1040
00:59:54,048 --> 00:59:57,510
It's an honor that you give
to your parents if you're able to,
1041
00:59:57,594 --> 00:59:58,803
and I'm still able to.
1042
01:00:00,597 --> 01:00:03,975
And probably an honor
no one will give to me.
1043
01:00:04,058 --> 01:00:06,645
- You don't think we'll show up?
- I doubt it.
1044
01:00:06,728 --> 01:00:10,815
Maybe for the event...
but not thereafter.
1045
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:13,711
What did you respect about him?
1046
01:00:13,735 --> 01:00:17,656
He was hardworking,
he was dedicated to his profession
1047
01:00:17,739 --> 01:00:21,325
and dedicated to
seeing his children succeed.
1048
01:00:22,326 --> 01:00:24,704
Did you feel close to your dad?
1049
01:00:24,788 --> 01:00:26,039
No.
1050
01:00:26,122 --> 01:00:28,541
He was a difficult person
to get close to.
1051
01:00:28,625 --> 01:00:31,670
- In what way?
- Every way. He was cold.
1052
01:00:32,754 --> 01:00:34,088
He was rigid.
1053
01:00:35,089 --> 01:00:37,258
At times, he was nasty...
1054
01:00:38,635 --> 01:00:41,721
to his wife and to his children.
1055
01:00:42,931 --> 01:00:45,183
Do you feel like
you held grudges against him
1056
01:00:45,266 --> 01:00:46,935
the way I've held grudges against you?
1057
01:00:47,018 --> 01:00:48,853
No, I don't hold grudges
like you do.
1058
01:00:48,937 --> 01:00:50,497
Are you saying
you hold a grudge against me?
1059
01:00:50,521 --> 01:00:52,273
I didn't say that.
1060
01:00:52,356 --> 01:00:54,818
- You implied it.
- No, I didn't imply that.
1061
01:00:54,901 --> 01:00:57,946
I said if I was a grudge-holder, I could.
1062
01:00:59,698 --> 01:01:02,826
So if you could hold a grudge
against me, what would it be?
1063
01:01:02,909 --> 01:01:05,286
'Cause you're
so tough on me, baby.
1064
01:01:09,540 --> 01:01:13,211
I've always thought of Dad
as the classic macho man.
1065
01:01:13,294 --> 01:01:16,005
Is that how you view him,
or do you see him differently than that?
1066
01:01:16,089 --> 01:01:21,094
I think that's very definitely the way
he saw himself for a very long time.
1067
01:01:21,177 --> 01:01:23,637
But during his retirement years,
1068
01:01:23,722 --> 01:01:27,350
I think that he has become
a very different person.
1069
01:01:27,433 --> 01:01:30,812
He wouldn't recognize it, but I think
he's changed his vision of himself
1070
01:01:30,895 --> 01:01:35,149
because he's much more of a helpmate now
than he ever saw himself as being.
1071
01:01:35,233 --> 01:01:37,526
You think he's less
the macho man than he was?
1072
01:01:37,610 --> 01:01:39,278
No.
1073
01:01:39,362 --> 01:01:42,198
No, I think that it's the role
around the house that's changed.
1074
01:01:42,281 --> 01:01:44,158
I don't think
he's less the macho man at all.
1075
01:01:44,242 --> 01:01:47,245
No, I think that part of him
is still very much the same.
1076
01:01:47,996 --> 01:01:50,832
What quality of his
attracted you to him the most?
1077
01:01:50,915 --> 01:01:54,335
Tremendous inner vitality
and a zest for life.
1078
01:01:55,669 --> 01:01:58,965
He's just a very, very fun person
to be with and I...
1079
01:01:59,048 --> 01:02:01,592
That struck me from
the very first day I met him,
1080
01:02:01,675 --> 01:02:04,345
and it has continued through to today.
1081
01:02:04,428 --> 01:02:07,807
And I often joke that if he ever grew up,
I'd leave him.
1082
01:02:07,891 --> 01:02:13,437
I see a very different person than
he shows to the rest of the world.
1083
01:02:13,521 --> 01:02:15,165
What do you see that
we don't get to see?
1084
01:02:15,189 --> 01:02:18,276
The inner vulnerable side of him
that he doesn't ever show to the world.
1085
01:02:18,359 --> 01:02:19,986
He's very open with me.
1086
01:02:20,987 --> 01:02:24,698
And I've always said that I think
I know him better than he knows himself.
1087
01:02:26,284 --> 01:02:28,494
- Hop on, baby girl.
- Getting on.
1088
01:02:28,577 --> 01:02:30,121
"Getting on."
1089
01:02:30,204 --> 01:02:31,289
All set.
1090
01:02:31,372 --> 01:02:32,706
- You ready?
- All ready.
1091
01:02:32,791 --> 01:02:34,542
- We're off.
- We're off.
1092
01:02:36,127 --> 01:02:38,171
Here we go.
1093
01:02:57,148 --> 01:03:00,609
With Dad, I see him as
somebody whose close friend is you
1094
01:03:00,693 --> 01:03:05,114
and I don't see him spending time
with anybody else, really, alone.
1095
01:03:05,198 --> 01:03:08,159
I think it's very interesting that
you should point that out.
1096
01:03:08,242 --> 01:03:11,120
I know he would really, really love
1097
01:03:11,204 --> 01:03:15,374
to have the kind of friendship
that women have.
1098
01:03:15,458 --> 01:03:18,544
Just get together with people
he really enjoys and talking to them.
1099
01:03:18,627 --> 01:03:22,631
But it's not really that open to him.
1100
01:03:22,715 --> 01:03:23,925
And I think it's a shame.
1101
01:03:24,008 --> 01:03:25,694
'Cause I know
he would really, really love it.
1102
01:03:25,718 --> 01:03:27,154
Why do you say
it's not open to Dad?
1103
01:03:27,178 --> 01:03:30,806
Because that's just not what guys do.
1104
01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:34,143
But you say it as if
Dad couldn't decide to call someone up
1105
01:03:34,227 --> 01:03:35,329
and say, "Hey,
let's go have coffee."
1106
01:03:35,353 --> 01:03:38,231
You know what, the point is he has,
and the thing is that...
1107
01:03:38,314 --> 01:03:40,859
And then they had a nice time,
but then it's not reciprocated.
1108
01:03:40,942 --> 01:03:43,212
Because the people that he really enjoys,
1109
01:03:43,236 --> 01:03:46,447
that he enjoys
just having lunch with or talking to
1110
01:03:46,530 --> 01:03:49,533
are the same guys that are still jocks,
1111
01:03:49,617 --> 01:03:53,371
and they have their friendships
by doing something.
1112
01:03:54,288 --> 01:03:55,349
I never would've guessed that
1113
01:03:55,373 --> 01:03:57,458
that was something
Dad really wishes he had, even...
1114
01:03:57,541 --> 01:04:00,211
Absolutely.
And I think he's very much...
1115
01:04:00,294 --> 01:04:02,255
He would be a great friend.
1116
01:04:02,338 --> 01:04:05,008
And I just think it's just a real shame
that he doesn't have it.
1117
01:04:05,091 --> 01:04:06,926
And I know he misses it.
1118
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:10,930
I had an easier time relating
to this guy my mom was describing...
1119
01:04:11,014 --> 01:04:12,515
the guy who had feelings.
1120
01:04:13,641 --> 01:04:16,810
But that wasn't the man that
I remember growing up with.
1121
01:04:16,895 --> 01:04:19,981
One big thing I remember about
growing up in the household
1122
01:04:20,064 --> 01:04:22,150
that was hard for me was...
1123
01:04:23,067 --> 01:04:24,110
your anger.
1124
01:04:24,193 --> 01:04:26,862
There was just a lot of yelling
in the household.
1125
01:04:26,946 --> 01:04:30,449
And as a kid, I didn't understand
1126
01:04:30,533 --> 01:04:32,743
what it meant, where it came from,
what it was about.
1127
01:04:32,826 --> 01:04:35,746
And so I wanted to understand that better.
1128
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:38,666
I can't help you with it
'cause I don't remember it.
1129
01:04:38,749 --> 01:04:42,086
And I'm not doing that as a cop out,
I just don't.
1130
01:04:43,004 --> 01:04:44,005
It may have existed.
1131
01:04:44,088 --> 01:04:45,808
It may have existed dominantly
in your life.
1132
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:49,093
It clearly did because
you reflect on it frequently.
1133
01:04:49,177 --> 01:04:51,637
But I, honestly...
1134
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,823
If you said to me,
"What would you have done differently?"
1135
01:04:53,847 --> 01:04:58,311
I don't know because I don't remember...
1136
01:04:58,394 --> 01:05:02,148
not only specifics,
I don't even remember the gross picture.
1137
01:05:03,232 --> 01:05:05,609
Why that is, I have absolutely no idea.
1138
01:05:06,610 --> 01:05:09,948
I remember very happy times.
1139
01:05:12,283 --> 01:05:14,077
I don't remember bad times.
1140
01:05:14,994 --> 01:05:18,706
I'm sure they had to exist...
especially in your mind.
1141
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:20,709
Sometimes
when I think about it, I go,
1142
01:05:20,791 --> 01:05:23,544
"Well, Dad seemed like
he brought all this anger home.
1143
01:05:23,627 --> 01:05:26,047
Maybe it came from
being at a very intense job."
1144
01:05:26,130 --> 01:05:28,007
I would tell you that,
1145
01:05:28,091 --> 01:05:32,303
if I were playing Major League Baseball
1146
01:05:32,386 --> 01:05:37,225
and I hit .350 for my career,
I would be in the Hall of Fame.
1147
01:05:37,308 --> 01:05:40,728
And in my profession,
if I hit .350, I'd be in jail.
1148
01:05:40,811 --> 01:05:43,897
It's a profession, by choice,
1149
01:05:43,982 --> 01:05:47,401
where you had to be
as close to perfect as you could be.
1150
01:05:47,485 --> 01:05:50,029
And that was my work.
1151
01:05:50,947 --> 01:05:54,200
And if I were truth,
1152
01:05:54,283 --> 01:05:56,327
I'm sure I carried some of that home
at some times
1153
01:05:56,410 --> 01:06:00,539
because... there was no way to escape it.
1154
01:06:01,540 --> 01:06:06,420
I didn't like the sound
of my dad being out loud.
1155
01:06:06,504 --> 01:06:07,505
Okay.
1156
01:06:07,588 --> 01:06:09,507
And, uh... but I think...
1157
01:06:10,508 --> 01:06:13,636
I let my dislike of that rule me.
1158
01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:17,348
Ever since getting initiated
during the Warrior weekend in the woods,
1159
01:06:17,431 --> 01:06:19,933
I met with my men's group
every other week.
1160
01:06:20,851 --> 01:06:24,813
We practiced
what you might call unlicensed therapy.
1161
01:06:24,897 --> 01:06:28,359
And we're going to use drama.
This is our stage for the night.
1162
01:06:28,442 --> 01:06:30,819
This is your space to live out
1163
01:06:30,903 --> 01:06:35,699
whatever part of your story
you'd like to... and are called to.
1164
01:06:35,783 --> 01:06:37,951
Would you show Will
how to hold the energy?
1165
01:06:38,036 --> 01:06:39,346
So I can see what Dad looks like.
1166
01:06:39,370 --> 01:06:40,746
- Can you do it?
- Yeah.
1167
01:06:40,829 --> 01:06:42,623
What did Dad sound like?
1168
01:06:42,706 --> 01:06:45,168
The energy's just like this blind rage.
1169
01:06:45,251 --> 01:06:46,603
- Yes.
- Yeah, playing the blame game.
1170
01:06:46,627 --> 01:06:47,628
Channel it.
1171
01:06:47,711 --> 01:06:50,589
- This is your time. This is your space.
- Yeah.
1172
01:06:50,673 --> 01:06:51,965
- Close your eyes.
- Yeah.
1173
01:06:52,050 --> 01:06:53,318
This is your space, man.
1174
01:06:53,342 --> 01:06:54,802
And take a deep breath.
1175
01:06:56,012 --> 01:06:57,513
May I touch you?
1176
01:06:57,596 --> 01:06:59,765
Breathe right here.
Breathe right down to there.
1177
01:06:59,848 --> 01:07:02,185
- Breathe it. Take it in.
- Yeah.
1178
01:07:02,268 --> 01:07:05,313
- Yeah.
- One more. Just one more.
1179
01:07:06,522 --> 01:07:08,857
One more. Right there.
1180
01:07:11,569 --> 01:07:13,172
Give him the message,
with your eyes closed.
1181
01:07:13,196 --> 01:07:15,281
- Just give him the message.
- God damn it!
1182
01:07:15,364 --> 01:07:17,325
- Go ahead.
- God damn it!
1183
01:07:17,408 --> 01:07:18,552
That's it. That's the message.
1184
01:07:18,576 --> 01:07:20,786
God damn it!
1185
01:07:20,869 --> 01:07:22,288
God damn it!
1186
01:07:24,373 --> 01:07:27,085
- Yeah.
- Okay, yeah.
1187
01:07:28,461 --> 01:07:29,545
Okay, when you're ready,
1188
01:07:29,628 --> 01:07:33,341
I'd like you to come out here
and switch and just watch this play.
1189
01:07:34,508 --> 01:07:36,844
Good job, David.
Stay with it.
1190
01:07:37,761 --> 01:07:40,098
Now, let me see.
All right, yeah.
1191
01:07:40,181 --> 01:07:41,724
Okay, yeah, so "God damn it,"
1192
01:07:41,807 --> 01:07:45,686
and then respond with
your line of, "I've got to please."
1193
01:07:45,769 --> 01:07:47,855
- Yeah, "I'm here to please you."
- Yeah.
1194
01:07:47,938 --> 01:07:50,691
- "I want you to be happy."
- Mmm-hmm.
1195
01:07:50,774 --> 01:07:53,152
And go ahead, play.
1196
01:07:53,236 --> 01:07:57,030
God damn it! Damn it!
God damn it!
1197
01:07:57,115 --> 01:08:00,576
I'm here for you and not me.
1198
01:08:00,659 --> 01:08:03,036
God damn it!
1199
01:08:03,121 --> 01:08:05,789
- I'm here for...
- Okay, freeze. Freeze.
1200
01:08:05,873 --> 01:08:07,416
- Is this accurate?
- Mmm-hmm.
1201
01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:08,834
It is, okay.
1202
01:08:08,917 --> 01:08:11,212
And you walked in as a man right now
1203
01:08:11,295 --> 01:08:13,714
into this living room
and you saw this going down,
1204
01:08:13,797 --> 01:08:16,384
what would you want to do
if this was somebody else?
1205
01:08:16,467 --> 01:08:19,762
Yeah, I'd want somebody to say, "Stop."
1206
01:08:19,845 --> 01:08:23,849
So this is your chance as a man
to come into the scene
1207
01:08:23,932 --> 01:08:26,185
and put it right.
1208
01:08:27,353 --> 01:08:29,021
God damn it!
1209
01:08:29,104 --> 01:08:30,481
I want to make you feel good.
1210
01:08:30,564 --> 01:08:31,982
God damn it!
1211
01:08:32,900 --> 01:08:35,694
- I'm here with you.
- God damn it!
1212
01:08:37,238 --> 01:08:39,365
- God damn it!
- I'm your son.
1213
01:08:40,283 --> 01:08:42,951
- I'm your son.
- God damn it!
1214
01:08:45,788 --> 01:08:47,290
God damn it!
1215
01:08:47,373 --> 01:08:50,000
Stop yelling.
I'm your son.
1216
01:08:50,083 --> 01:08:52,253
God damn it!
1217
01:08:52,336 --> 01:08:53,337
I'm afraid.
1218
01:08:53,421 --> 01:08:56,674
- Stop yelling. I'm your son.
- God damn it!
1219
01:08:58,050 --> 01:09:04,140
- Stop yelling. I'm your son!
- God damn it! God damn it!
1220
01:09:04,223 --> 01:09:08,311
Stop yelling! I'm your son!
1221
01:09:08,394 --> 01:09:10,563
God damn it!
1222
01:09:15,401 --> 01:09:17,570
God damn it!
1223
01:09:22,575 --> 01:09:24,535
God damn it!
1224
01:09:25,453 --> 01:09:30,123
- Stop yelling. I'm your son.
- God damn it!
1225
01:09:31,917 --> 01:09:34,753
God damn it!
1226
01:09:34,837 --> 01:09:38,716
- Stop yelling. I'm your son.
- God damn it!
1227
01:09:40,468 --> 01:09:42,345
God damn it!
1228
01:09:54,523 --> 01:09:57,776
Did you have a good sleep?
Did you have a good sleep?
1229
01:10:23,802 --> 01:10:26,472
- So I wrote this letter to my dad.
- Yeah.
1230
01:10:26,555 --> 01:10:27,806
So here it is.
1231
01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:30,559
Excellent. Oh, it's long.
1232
01:10:31,477 --> 01:10:34,187
Can you just tell me
what it's gonna do?
1233
01:10:34,272 --> 01:10:37,275
It has less to do with your father
1234
01:10:37,358 --> 01:10:41,153
than it does to do with you
growing yourself up.
1235
01:10:41,237 --> 01:10:42,488
You finally can grow up and go,
1236
01:10:42,571 --> 01:10:47,034
"Oh, Dad, sorry about this, this and this,
1237
01:10:47,117 --> 01:10:48,744
and I never asked you about that."
1238
01:10:48,827 --> 01:10:52,205
That's you being a great man, right?
1239
01:10:52,290 --> 01:10:54,500
You don't know how it will feel.
1240
01:10:54,583 --> 01:10:59,380
And trust me, you're assuming
your dad is gonna stick it to you.
1241
01:10:59,463 --> 01:11:01,400
- Right, if you tell...
- I'm worried he'll stick it to me
1242
01:11:01,424 --> 01:11:04,385
and he won't want to take responsibility
for his part of it,
1243
01:11:04,468 --> 01:11:06,070
- and I think that's the part that I feel...
- Okay.
1244
01:11:06,094 --> 01:11:08,847
But isn't that the very thing
you're doing? Right?
1245
01:11:08,931 --> 01:11:12,643
I'm having you stick it to yourself
and take full responsibility for yourself,
1246
01:11:12,726 --> 01:11:15,771
and you're like,
"But if I do that, will he?"
1247
01:11:16,689 --> 01:11:19,191
And then the question is,
"Why do you care?"
1248
01:11:19,274 --> 01:11:25,155
Like, "Oh, I'm not gonna do it on my end
because he might not do it on his"?
1249
01:11:25,238 --> 01:11:27,950
Why don't you...
What normally happens in a relationship is
1250
01:11:28,033 --> 01:11:30,911
if you take responsibility for something
and you really see it,
1251
01:11:30,994 --> 01:11:32,621
it actually creates...
1252
01:11:33,539 --> 01:11:37,335
the space for the other person
to do the exact same thing.
1253
01:11:50,723 --> 01:11:52,015
"Dear Dad...
1254
01:11:52,933 --> 01:11:55,394
I've never written a letter
like this before.
1255
01:11:55,478 --> 01:11:57,355
I have never taken responsibility..."
1256
01:11:57,438 --> 01:11:59,482
"For my part in our relationship.
1257
01:11:59,565 --> 01:12:03,777
I've only blamed you for
the ways you treated me."
1258
01:12:06,697 --> 01:12:07,948
Continue?
1259
01:12:17,625 --> 01:12:20,043
"I'm writing you this
because I want to be able to
1260
01:12:20,127 --> 01:12:23,171
lay down the baggage
I carry from our past.
1261
01:12:26,925 --> 01:12:32,222
I also want to move forward in my life
in ways I haven't yet allowed myself to.
1262
01:12:33,891 --> 01:12:36,602
And I believe that part of
what holds me back
1263
01:12:36,685 --> 01:12:39,730
is all the things
I hold onto about the past."
1264
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,067
"I take responsibility for how
1265
01:12:44,151 --> 01:12:47,279
not telling you my feelings
has diminished our relationship
1266
01:12:47,363 --> 01:12:50,658
and prevented me from
feeling close to you."
1267
01:12:51,575 --> 01:12:52,927
"Rather than
share with you my feelings,
1268
01:12:52,951 --> 01:12:56,580
I kept them to myself,
blamed you and judged you.
1269
01:12:59,833 --> 01:13:02,961
I have blamed you for
the parts of myself I don't like...
1270
01:13:04,087 --> 01:13:06,424
the person who is scared to take risks...
1271
01:13:07,841 --> 01:13:10,803
the person who abandons things
before they are finished."
1272
01:13:16,099 --> 01:13:17,369
"I have blamed you... ".
1273
01:13:18,519 --> 01:13:21,897
"I have blamed you for not achieving
the things I've wanted to achieve
1274
01:13:21,980 --> 01:13:24,692
and not having the things
I've wanted to have in my life.
1275
01:13:26,068 --> 01:13:30,405
I have blamed you for my own failure
to have the courage to be myself."
1276
01:13:35,077 --> 01:13:37,370
"This letter is the beginning
1277
01:13:37,455 --> 01:13:41,959
of what I mean by wanting to have
an honest and real relationship with you.
1278
01:13:42,042 --> 01:13:45,671
I don't believe that
it's too late or beyond our reach.
1279
01:13:45,754 --> 01:13:47,673
Can we start now?
1280
01:13:48,882 --> 01:13:52,052
I love you, Dad."
1281
01:14:01,854 --> 01:14:03,814
That's a beautiful letter.
1282
01:14:14,074 --> 01:14:17,160
I want you to tell me
what it was like
1283
01:14:17,244 --> 01:14:18,746
having me read the letter to you?
1284
01:14:18,829 --> 01:14:23,208
It felt like
David was finally coming home.
1285
01:14:33,385 --> 01:14:35,025
So what does that mean to you?
1286
01:14:35,638 --> 01:14:37,347
It means everything.
1287
01:14:42,561 --> 01:14:45,606
If I made mistakes, I'm sorry for them.
1288
01:14:47,858 --> 01:14:49,818
What do I want from you?
1289
01:14:52,988 --> 01:14:55,407
And all I can say is just be you.
1290
01:15:19,932 --> 01:15:21,767
One more, one more.
1291
01:15:23,519 --> 01:15:26,479
Seven. Nice!
Stay back. Keep that tight.
1292
01:15:26,564 --> 01:15:29,357
I recently started
a new exercise routine.
1293
01:15:30,776 --> 01:15:34,071
I go to this gym
where the guy factor is fairly high.
1294
01:15:34,154 --> 01:15:35,714
But I don't feel entirely out of place.
1295
01:15:35,781 --> 01:15:39,117
Go, go, go and time.
Next station, guys, come on.
1296
01:15:40,035 --> 01:15:42,370
I started going because of Gabriel.
1297
01:15:43,288 --> 01:15:45,207
He'd learned about Mount Everest...
1298
01:15:45,290 --> 01:15:48,293
and I promised him we'd hike up
to base camp together one day.
1299
01:15:49,962 --> 01:15:53,966
I realized that we'd have to
probably wait until he was 18,
1300
01:15:54,049 --> 01:15:56,343
which meant I would be almost 60.
1301
01:15:58,136 --> 01:16:01,473
At 43, it doesn't seem
too early to start training.
1302
01:16:03,016 --> 01:16:04,619
So, Mommy and Daddy
want to tell you something.
1303
01:16:04,643 --> 01:16:05,978
What?
1304
01:16:06,061 --> 01:16:10,232
Well, in a few months,
right after your birthday,
1305
01:16:10,315 --> 01:16:15,445
you are gonna have
a baby brother or a baby sister.
1306
01:16:18,824 --> 01:16:21,034
Oh, yeah.
1307
01:16:21,118 --> 01:16:22,870
Yeah.
1308
01:16:22,953 --> 01:16:24,013
Do you know what that means?
1309
01:16:24,037 --> 01:16:25,288
What?
1310
01:16:25,372 --> 01:16:29,793
We're gonna have another baby
in our family.
1311
01:16:29,877 --> 01:16:32,087
Why?
1312
01:16:32,170 --> 01:16:34,882
I look at my son
and I try to imagine
1313
01:16:34,965 --> 01:16:36,258
the man he's going to be.
1314
01:16:36,341 --> 01:16:38,277
You know what you can do is,
go in front of the camera
1315
01:16:38,301 --> 01:16:40,501
and I'll turn this towards you,
so you can see yourself.
1316
01:16:40,553 --> 01:16:42,347
- Okay.
- Okay.
1317
01:16:43,515 --> 01:16:44,600
See?
1318
01:16:45,893 --> 01:16:47,394
Yeah. That's you.
1319
01:16:47,477 --> 01:16:49,357
Sometimes I feel like
I get glimpses.
1320
01:16:49,396 --> 01:16:51,273
Now I want to film you.
1321
01:16:51,356 --> 01:16:52,357
Let's see.
1322
01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:54,860
Daddy will go right here.
1323
01:16:56,444 --> 01:17:01,574
But I would really like you
to sit right on my bed.
1324
01:17:01,659 --> 01:17:05,788
All right, you have to turn the camera
so it faces me on the bed.
1325
01:17:07,455 --> 01:17:08,874
- You got me?
- Yeah, I got you.
1326
01:17:08,957 --> 01:17:11,376
You got me, bud.
That's great.
1327
01:17:11,459 --> 01:17:13,503
- You know what I'm gonna do?
- What?
1328
01:17:13,586 --> 01:17:16,006
I'm gonna film you filming me.
1329
01:17:16,924 --> 01:17:18,466
- Ready?
- But you...
1330
01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:21,011
In some ways,
he'll be like me.
1331
01:17:21,094 --> 01:17:22,637
You might have to, um...
1332
01:17:22,721 --> 01:17:24,240
And in some ways, he won't.
1333
01:17:24,264 --> 01:17:26,141
- ...put that away.
- Okay.
1334
01:17:26,224 --> 01:17:27,434
Put that away so you can...
1335
01:17:27,517 --> 01:17:30,562
Both things are okay with me.
1336
01:17:30,645 --> 01:17:32,480
Can you talk into this?
1337
01:17:32,564 --> 01:17:34,232
- Want me to talk into that?
- Yeah.
1338
01:17:34,316 --> 01:17:36,401
Sure. I love Gabriel.
1339
01:17:36,484 --> 01:17:38,696
And can you say something else?
1340
01:17:38,779 --> 01:17:40,823
I am...
1341
01:17:42,115 --> 01:17:43,325
very proud of Gabriel
1342
01:17:43,408 --> 01:17:46,870
because this is the first time
he's filming me with my camera.
1343
01:17:47,871 --> 01:17:50,290
Don't talk anymore.
If you talk anymore...
1344
01:17:50,373 --> 01:17:51,875
- Yeah.
- ...it'll break.
1345
01:17:51,959 --> 01:17:54,294
- If I talk anymore, the camera will break?
- Yeah, so...
1346
01:17:54,377 --> 01:17:56,421
That might be true.
1347
01:18:09,267 --> 01:18:11,955
- Oh, he's looking at me.
- Gabriel is excited. I know.
1348
01:18:11,979 --> 01:18:13,605
Mommy, he's looking at me.
1349
01:18:13,689 --> 01:18:17,234
He's looking at you.
He is totally looking at you.
1350
01:18:17,317 --> 01:18:19,027
I think he needs
a diaper change.
1351
01:18:19,111 --> 01:18:20,445
You think so?
1352
01:18:20,528 --> 01:18:22,698
- Okay.
- You want to change it?
1353
01:18:23,615 --> 01:18:25,658
I don't know how to change diapers.
1354
01:18:28,411 --> 01:18:29,537
You know what?
1355
01:18:29,621 --> 01:18:31,289
I've heard that from a lot of men.
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