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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,609 --> 00:00:12,479 (soft guitar music) 2 00:00:26,292 --> 00:00:31,331 ♪ From this moment 3 00:00:33,133 --> 00:00:38,104 ♪ I'll never be your slave, no 4 00:00:42,509 --> 00:00:46,346 ♪ Just lay here in my own way 5 00:01:01,327 --> 00:01:06,332 ♪ From this moment 6 00:01:08,034 --> 00:01:10,370 ♪ I can see 7 00:01:14,841 --> 00:01:18,144 - [Krow] I'm Krow, I'm a transgender male. 8 00:01:20,180 --> 00:01:23,450 I used to be a female model from the age of 12, till 18. 9 00:01:25,051 --> 00:01:26,519 And when I was 18, 10 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:28,688 I decided I was gonna transition into being a male. 11 00:01:32,525 --> 00:01:36,529 I would like to try again and see if maybe 12 00:01:36,529 --> 00:01:38,364 I can actually become a male model 13 00:01:38,364 --> 00:01:40,233 after everything that I've gone through. 14 00:01:40,233 --> 00:01:45,338 ♪ From this moment 15 00:01:46,940 --> 00:01:51,711 ♪ I can see 16 00:01:54,848 --> 00:01:57,350 ♪ I can see me 17 00:02:18,404 --> 00:02:21,508 (soft ambient music) 18 00:02:24,110 --> 00:02:27,914 The first time I thought, "Wow, I should have been born 19 00:02:27,914 --> 00:02:30,416 a boy instead of a girl," was probably when I was either 20 00:02:30,416 --> 00:02:32,218 10 or 11 years old, so... 21 00:02:36,089 --> 00:02:38,925 I never really understood the difference between genders 22 00:02:38,925 --> 00:02:40,393 when I was younger. 23 00:02:40,393 --> 00:02:41,661 I'd always been one of the guys. 24 00:02:41,661 --> 00:02:43,530 I never got along well with the girls. 25 00:02:44,898 --> 00:02:46,799 It was when they did sex ed class, 26 00:02:46,799 --> 00:02:48,334 what they did was they would split us up 27 00:02:48,334 --> 00:02:50,403 into boys and girls. 28 00:02:52,672 --> 00:02:54,240 Yeah, I always looked out the window 29 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:55,742 and saw the boys playing football 30 00:02:57,110 --> 00:02:58,511 and they got to play games while we had to learn 31 00:02:58,511 --> 00:03:00,313 about what grossness our body was gonna do 32 00:03:00,313 --> 00:03:01,681 when we got older. 33 00:03:01,681 --> 00:03:03,349 And I was like, "Well, why can't I just go out 34 00:03:03,349 --> 00:03:04,417 and hang with the boys? 35 00:03:04,417 --> 00:03:05,418 Like, why do I have to sit here 36 00:03:05,418 --> 00:03:06,686 and learn all this gross stuff? 37 00:03:06,686 --> 00:03:08,454 Like, I don't want that to happen to my body." 38 00:03:08,454 --> 00:03:10,790 But that was probably the first time I reached 39 00:03:10,790 --> 00:03:14,494 that kind of boundary of, "Well, what is the difference 40 00:03:14,494 --> 00:03:16,429 between a girl and a guy?" 41 00:03:16,429 --> 00:03:20,300 Is it have to be physical or emotional? 42 00:03:20,300 --> 00:03:23,803 And I don't know, it was a really confusing time for me. 43 00:03:25,305 --> 00:03:27,473 Yeah, I started dressing like a guy 44 00:03:27,473 --> 00:03:31,144 and started getting bullied pretty bad after that. 45 00:03:32,845 --> 00:03:35,715 For some reason, this kid just got it in his head 46 00:03:35,715 --> 00:03:39,152 that he didn't like the way I was dressed. 47 00:03:39,152 --> 00:03:41,854 And he started calling me emo, 48 00:03:41,854 --> 00:03:46,326 which is supposed to be a slur for a cutter. 49 00:03:46,326 --> 00:03:48,494 So someone who cuts their wrists. 50 00:03:48,494 --> 00:03:51,364 And the full term is just emotional. 51 00:03:52,498 --> 00:03:54,000 And then other people started getting into it 52 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,903 and started believing that I actually cut myself. 53 00:03:56,903 --> 00:03:59,372 In the first year, like, I didn't really care much. 54 00:03:59,372 --> 00:04:02,342 I was like, "Well, I'm not." 55 00:04:02,342 --> 00:04:03,977 All my friends kind of turned on me. 56 00:04:05,345 --> 00:04:07,914 And that's when I made my best friend. 57 00:04:07,914 --> 00:04:10,717 There's three main people that have, I feel, 58 00:04:10,717 --> 00:04:12,352 that have supported me along the way. 59 00:04:12,352 --> 00:04:14,687 - Oh, man. Being back here is weird. 60 00:04:14,687 --> 00:04:17,257 - [Krow] One of the biggest ones is definitely Ashton, 61 00:04:17,257 --> 00:04:18,524 my best friend. 62 00:04:18,524 --> 00:04:23,196 He's been with me since elementary school, 63 00:04:23,196 --> 00:04:25,331 Which grade was it that I told you? 64 00:04:25,331 --> 00:04:26,199 - [Ashton] Fourth. 65 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:27,300 - [Krow] Fourth grade. 66 00:04:29,502 --> 00:04:31,337 "Man, I wish I could be a boy." 67 00:04:31,337 --> 00:04:32,338 - Mhm. 68 00:04:32,338 --> 00:04:33,673 - And like, at that time, like, 69 00:04:33,673 --> 00:04:37,343 I just meant it as like a offhand, like, 70 00:04:37,343 --> 00:04:38,945 "Yeah, life would be easier as a guy." 71 00:04:38,945 --> 00:04:40,213 - Yeah. 72 00:04:40,213 --> 00:04:42,882 - But like, it stuck pretty true. 73 00:04:42,882 --> 00:04:44,217 - Oh, the playground. 74 00:04:44,217 --> 00:04:47,353 - [Krow] he was there for before I transitioned, 75 00:04:47,353 --> 00:04:48,921 when I was questioning myself 76 00:04:48,921 --> 00:04:50,723 but didn't know about transitioning. 77 00:04:51,724 --> 00:04:52,892 - Touche. 78 00:04:52,892 --> 00:04:54,360 I don't think I did. 79 00:04:56,396 --> 00:04:57,897 awful experiences of getting bullied 80 00:04:57,897 --> 00:05:00,066 and called whatever name under the sun. 81 00:05:00,066 --> 00:05:02,769 Being like getting called emo all the time. 82 00:05:02,769 --> 00:05:04,971 That was a big thing for both of us. 83 00:05:04,971 --> 00:05:09,108 - [Krow] I would beat kids up for it, like fully. 84 00:05:09,108 --> 00:05:12,745 The guys would call me that and I would be like, 85 00:05:12,745 --> 00:05:14,380 knocking them to the ground. 86 00:05:15,581 --> 00:05:18,885 ♪ When you insides are outside crying ♪ 87 00:05:18,885 --> 00:05:21,521 Ashton is my only friend in grade seven. 88 00:05:22,922 --> 00:05:26,426 I literally had no other friends. 89 00:05:26,426 --> 00:05:30,630 ♪ No one know what sick you've got ♪ 90 00:05:33,299 --> 00:05:36,302 - Remember when we used to pole dance on these things? 91 00:05:36,302 --> 00:05:37,437 - Yes. 92 00:05:37,437 --> 00:05:39,238 ♪ If I could break away 93 00:05:39,238 --> 00:05:43,276 ♪ If we break away 94 00:05:43,276 --> 00:05:46,946 ♪ Can we make it back in time? 95 00:06:01,861 --> 00:06:04,764 I really wanted to be able to be a boy, 96 00:06:04,764 --> 00:06:07,300 but I knew that physically I couldn't. 97 00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:09,435 So at that point, I didn't know 98 00:06:09,435 --> 00:06:10,937 that there was any way to change. 99 00:06:10,937 --> 00:06:14,707 So I figured I might as well kind of learn how to be a girl, 100 00:06:14,707 --> 00:06:16,976 because I didn't feel anything naturally 101 00:06:16,976 --> 00:06:21,848 to be able to express myself as a girl or be feminine. 102 00:06:23,316 --> 00:06:24,851 - Kian came home from a birthday party and was like, 103 00:06:24,851 --> 00:06:27,954 "Mom, what do you think about me modeling?" 104 00:06:27,954 --> 00:06:32,658 And this is my daughter that has been running around 105 00:06:32,658 --> 00:06:34,527 up at the campsite, being at one of the tom boys 106 00:06:34,527 --> 00:06:36,162 and everything else. 107 00:06:36,162 --> 00:06:37,530 I was like, "Okay, well..." 108 00:06:37,530 --> 00:06:40,066 You know, like any other thing that your children 109 00:06:40,066 --> 00:06:41,968 come towards you and want to talk to you about 110 00:06:41,968 --> 00:06:44,737 and want to try out, you give them the opportunity. 111 00:06:44,737 --> 00:06:48,341 (upbeat electronic music) 112 00:06:50,042 --> 00:06:52,311 The next thing you know, Kian is off to Japan 113 00:06:52,311 --> 00:06:53,646 as soon as he's old enough. 114 00:06:59,085 --> 00:07:03,856 - [Krow] Modeling in Japan at 13 was pretty awesome. 115 00:07:05,224 --> 00:07:07,994 (electronic music continues) 116 00:07:07,994 --> 00:07:12,865 First photo shoot, I felt so awkward and weird. 117 00:07:12,865 --> 00:07:16,669 I had never had photos taken of me before and like, 118 00:07:16,669 --> 00:07:20,072 felt like I was attractive in any way. 119 00:07:20,072 --> 00:07:21,741 So yeah, it was really interesting. 120 00:07:21,741 --> 00:07:24,410 And when they put the makeup on and did my hair, 121 00:07:24,410 --> 00:07:27,246 I was like, "Oh my gosh, like I actually look pretty. 122 00:07:27,246 --> 00:07:29,882 I look like a girl and a nice girl, too." 123 00:07:29,882 --> 00:07:30,683 Wow! 124 00:07:33,252 --> 00:07:36,689 - [Lisa] From there we have been to China, Taiwan, 125 00:07:39,392 --> 00:07:43,396 Toronto, and Milan. 126 00:07:43,396 --> 00:07:46,632 And then at 15 I started letting Kian go by himself 127 00:07:46,632 --> 00:07:49,535 because he'd had that much experience. 128 00:07:49,535 --> 00:07:53,039 (down tempo electronic music) 129 00:07:58,578 --> 00:07:59,612 - [Krow] When I started high school, 130 00:07:59,612 --> 00:08:01,447 I also started modeling. 131 00:08:01,447 --> 00:08:05,251 That was kind of to show them like a, "Fuck you guys". 132 00:08:05,251 --> 00:08:09,222 Like, I'm getting money because I'm beautiful. 133 00:08:09,222 --> 00:08:13,459 And I can go to different countries and do what I want, 134 00:08:13,459 --> 00:08:14,927 kind of thing. 135 00:08:14,927 --> 00:08:16,562 Just to kinda get back at them. 136 00:08:19,966 --> 00:08:21,934 The whole time with the bullying, I figured if I was a guy, 137 00:08:21,934 --> 00:08:23,469 this wouldn't have happened. 138 00:08:23,469 --> 00:08:26,806 If I was a guy, I'd still be friends with everyone. 139 00:08:33,946 --> 00:08:37,116 Bullying makes you feel like you shouldn't be around. 140 00:08:38,284 --> 00:08:39,318 You're a burden to people. 141 00:08:41,454 --> 00:08:42,788 And it makes you feel like you, 142 00:08:42,788 --> 00:08:45,358 it would be better if you just weren't around, 143 00:08:45,358 --> 00:08:46,592 you didn't exist. 144 00:08:56,636 --> 00:09:01,774 Usually I would just go home and lock myself in my room, 145 00:09:02,475 --> 00:09:03,976 turn all the lights off. 146 00:09:03,976 --> 00:09:07,547 I just couldn't couldn't handle being in that environment, 147 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:09,015 being with those kids around. 148 00:09:10,983 --> 00:09:14,720 I would've been 11 when I first contemplated suicide 149 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,290 and had those really dark days. 150 00:09:36,242 --> 00:09:40,046 The very first time I thought about being a boy 151 00:09:41,347 --> 00:09:44,216 and why I had been born a girl instead, 152 00:09:44,216 --> 00:09:48,521 I met a friend in, I think it was grade nine. 153 00:09:49,822 --> 00:09:51,891 I ended up going to what they call 154 00:09:51,891 --> 00:09:54,560 an anime convention, with them. 155 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:57,530 (upbeat pop music) 156 00:10:06,739 --> 00:10:08,741 I found out that this friend I had just made 157 00:10:08,741 --> 00:10:10,943 was trans, transgender. 158 00:10:10,943 --> 00:10:12,712 And when they brought me into the group, 159 00:10:12,712 --> 00:10:15,715 a lot of them were either transgender, or gay, or bi, 160 00:10:15,715 --> 00:10:16,849 or gender fluid. 161 00:10:16,849 --> 00:10:17,950 It was the first time I had heard 162 00:10:17,950 --> 00:10:20,553 that you could actually change gender. 163 00:10:22,188 --> 00:10:24,824 When I first went into the community, 164 00:10:25,958 --> 00:10:27,727 I didn't want to use my real name. 165 00:10:27,727 --> 00:10:30,262 I already wanted to use my more male name 166 00:10:30,262 --> 00:10:32,365 that I had given myself, which is Krow. 167 00:10:35,434 --> 00:10:39,872 I was going by the name Krow with close friends. 168 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,745 Not regular like, school friends. 169 00:10:45,745 --> 00:10:47,613 I kind of wasn't mentioning that to them. 170 00:10:47,613 --> 00:10:51,384 But like, at least the cosplay community is where I felt 171 00:10:51,384 --> 00:10:52,618 like my family was. 172 00:10:52,618 --> 00:10:54,153 So I told all of them and was like, 173 00:10:54,153 --> 00:10:57,890 "Yeah, call me Krow, use male pronouns." 174 00:10:59,625 --> 00:11:03,629 - I think my decision to transition came gradually, 175 00:11:03,629 --> 00:11:05,431 very gradually. 176 00:11:05,431 --> 00:11:08,067 The last year that I was in high school, 177 00:11:08,067 --> 00:11:10,102 I was already sort of like, you know, 178 00:11:10,102 --> 00:11:13,139 binding at school and dressing more androgynously. 179 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:19,078 I had a lot of, I don't know, anger towards myself 180 00:11:19,078 --> 00:11:21,047 about it for a long time, a lot of guilt. 181 00:11:22,915 --> 00:11:24,450 You know, "Why couldn't I just be a girl?" 182 00:11:24,450 --> 00:11:26,819 Or, "Why couldn't I just be cisgender?" 183 00:11:26,819 --> 00:11:28,687 Or, "Why couldn't I just have like an easy, 184 00:11:28,687 --> 00:11:30,623 straightforward life that makes sense?" 185 00:11:31,824 --> 00:11:35,795 I was actually 17 and I was dating a guy 186 00:11:35,795 --> 00:11:37,163 and I was really in love with him. 187 00:11:37,163 --> 00:11:39,498 And I told him I'm trans and he dumped me. 188 00:11:39,498 --> 00:11:43,636 And then I was like, "Okay, I think this is time." 189 00:11:43,636 --> 00:11:48,641 And I, two months later started at least attempting 190 00:11:50,009 --> 00:11:51,644 to get into a gender clinic and talk to somebody. 191 00:11:51,644 --> 00:11:54,146 That was like, when I took the leap and actually came out 192 00:11:54,146 --> 00:11:57,083 and was like, "Yeah, I'm trans and this is what I'm doing." 193 00:11:59,318 --> 00:12:02,555 - I was Ashton's sounding board through his transition. 194 00:12:02,555 --> 00:12:03,489 - That's true. 195 00:12:03,489 --> 00:12:05,191 - And then I was like, 196 00:12:05,191 --> 00:12:07,026 I don't wanna seem like I'm copying you, 197 00:12:07,026 --> 00:12:08,527 but I'm also transgender. 198 00:12:08,527 --> 00:12:11,030 And like, I'm just scared to do the hormones 199 00:12:11,030 --> 00:12:13,566 and the surgeries at the moment. 200 00:12:13,566 --> 00:12:17,069 I knew I couldn't pretend to be a girl for that much longer. 201 00:12:17,069 --> 00:12:20,372 It had gotten to a point, I think it was 16 202 00:12:20,372 --> 00:12:23,809 where I was like, "I need to be a boy." 203 00:12:27,546 --> 00:12:31,684 In Japan, in Tokyo, was probably when I first kind of felt 204 00:12:31,684 --> 00:12:34,019 my confidence kind of come back, 205 00:12:34,019 --> 00:12:36,856 what I was okay with, what I wasn't okay with. 206 00:12:36,856 --> 00:12:38,691 Once I knew that China was the place 207 00:12:38,691 --> 00:12:41,494 I was gonna be going next, I knew that was my last trip. 208 00:12:41,494 --> 00:12:43,028 I was also just very dumb. 209 00:12:43,028 --> 00:12:45,097 So I just stopped kind of caring about 210 00:12:45,097 --> 00:12:46,332 what other people thought. 211 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:49,034 - China was the last one. 212 00:12:49,034 --> 00:12:51,070 That's been now just about two years ago. 213 00:12:51,070 --> 00:12:54,373 And Kian had been saying me for about a year before 214 00:12:54,373 --> 00:12:56,142 that he was thinking about quitting. 215 00:12:58,177 --> 00:12:59,745 - [Krow] Yeah, when I was in China, 216 00:12:59,745 --> 00:13:02,982 there was a lot that happened in China that was just crazy. 217 00:13:04,350 --> 00:13:07,853 I didn't like the way that being a female model, 218 00:13:07,853 --> 00:13:09,255 how you were kind of treated. 219 00:13:09,255 --> 00:13:11,724 It's like pieces of meat and, you know, 220 00:13:11,724 --> 00:13:14,627 people look over you and then look at the next one. 221 00:13:14,627 --> 00:13:16,195 kind of thing. 222 00:13:16,195 --> 00:13:17,563 I had finally had the last event and was like, 223 00:13:17,563 --> 00:13:19,598 "Well, you know what? I'm done pleasing people." 224 00:13:19,598 --> 00:13:21,433 And just came back after a job. 225 00:13:21,433 --> 00:13:24,036 I had told my mom, my agency, before 226 00:13:24,036 --> 00:13:24,904 that I was gonna stop modeling. 227 00:13:24,904 --> 00:13:26,372 It was my last trip. 228 00:13:27,807 --> 00:13:29,441 - [Lisa] And two days before he was gonna come home, 229 00:13:29,441 --> 00:13:32,645 when he had no more jobs, he sent me a photo. 230 00:13:32,645 --> 00:13:37,750 And in this photo is the floor, and a pair of scissors, 231 00:13:38,918 --> 00:13:40,753 and a ponytail lying on the ground. 232 00:13:40,753 --> 00:13:43,923 - Had to do a ponytail anyway, took a pair of scissors. 233 00:13:43,923 --> 00:13:45,925 Cut it, didn't care. 234 00:13:45,925 --> 00:13:48,727 I was like, "Well, I'm a boy now!" (laughs) 235 00:13:48,727 --> 00:13:49,895 Surprise, everyone! 236 00:13:53,098 --> 00:13:54,800 - [Lisa] I didn't realize at the time when Kian 237 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,905 had chopped off his hair, that it was about transitioning. 238 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:02,942 I thought it was just a matter of putting his foot down, 239 00:14:02,942 --> 00:14:04,844 saying, "Okay, I'm done with the modeling. 240 00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:06,812 I tried that last time. 241 00:14:06,812 --> 00:14:08,447 Not enjoying it. 242 00:14:08,447 --> 00:14:11,083 Chopping off my hair because no one is going to want a girl 243 00:14:11,083 --> 00:14:12,585 that looks like this as a model." 244 00:14:15,521 --> 00:14:18,123 It didn't make sense to me because this is someone 245 00:14:18,123 --> 00:14:20,326 that has made a career out of modeling, 246 00:14:20,326 --> 00:14:22,761 being feminine, and being beautiful, 247 00:14:22,761 --> 00:14:25,631 and wearing makeup, and gorgeous clothing. 248 00:14:25,631 --> 00:14:27,766 And it's the dream that all girls have. 249 00:14:27,766 --> 00:14:30,669 She was a princess in front of the camera. 250 00:14:30,669 --> 00:14:34,106 She was the center of attention as this beautiful woman. 251 00:14:34,106 --> 00:14:35,641 So where is this all coming from? 252 00:14:35,641 --> 00:14:38,477 And it's just not computing in my brain. 253 00:14:40,179 --> 00:14:42,381 - [Krow] Being transgender was the first thing 254 00:14:42,381 --> 00:14:45,050 that she didn't support me in to begin with. 255 00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:48,153 So, it was a complete surprise. 256 00:14:48,153 --> 00:14:51,390 I thought she would take it like, "Okay." 257 00:14:51,390 --> 00:14:54,326 And then I thought she would be asking questions 258 00:14:54,326 --> 00:14:57,663 and then elaborating, and then trying to learn about 259 00:14:57,663 --> 00:14:59,331 being transgender with me. 260 00:14:59,331 --> 00:15:02,468 - I have given Kian a six months, 261 00:15:02,468 --> 00:15:06,171 "I don't want to hear about this at all. 262 00:15:06,171 --> 00:15:08,841 I'm not gonna have a discussion with you at all 263 00:15:08,841 --> 00:15:10,209 until the six months is up." 264 00:15:10,209 --> 00:15:12,077 - She didn't wanna discuss it. 265 00:15:12,077 --> 00:15:13,579 She didn't wanna hear about it. 266 00:15:13,579 --> 00:15:16,815 She said, "Wait six months before we have 267 00:15:16,815 --> 00:15:18,317 this discussion again. 268 00:15:18,317 --> 00:15:21,887 And don't try to talk to me about it in between." 269 00:15:21,887 --> 00:15:25,424 - This six month waiting period was more about specifically 270 00:15:25,424 --> 00:15:28,227 our relationship and what I have seen 271 00:15:28,227 --> 00:15:30,329 and how I'm gonna process it. 272 00:15:30,329 --> 00:15:34,066 Make sure you are a hundred percent clear on, 273 00:15:34,066 --> 00:15:35,868 "This is what I want." 274 00:15:35,868 --> 00:15:37,703 - I had to still be a female, 275 00:15:37,703 --> 00:15:40,706 even though she knew for that whole time. 276 00:15:40,706 --> 00:15:45,210 And yeah, it was really hard for that. 277 00:15:45,210 --> 00:15:48,347 - I knew that you were like, trying to push me 278 00:15:48,347 --> 00:15:50,049 and make sure that I'm making the right decision, 279 00:15:50,049 --> 00:15:53,218 but it was still hard on me, so... 280 00:15:53,218 --> 00:15:56,522 - Exactly. And I purposely made it hard on you. 281 00:15:57,690 --> 00:15:59,558 - [Krow] I had no idea how to feel, 282 00:15:59,558 --> 00:16:02,227 'cause it felt like I lost a parent. 283 00:16:02,227 --> 00:16:06,198 So yeah, it was hard for that first six months. 284 00:16:14,206 --> 00:16:16,075 - With the way that Kian was with his friends 285 00:16:16,075 --> 00:16:18,243 and everything else and all of a sudden 286 00:16:18,243 --> 00:16:19,979 there's one that is transitioning. 287 00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:21,213 Then there's another one 288 00:16:21,213 --> 00:16:22,648 that's thinking about transitioning. 289 00:16:22,648 --> 00:16:24,149 And then there's another one that isn't quite sure 290 00:16:24,149 --> 00:16:25,551 what they wanna do. 291 00:16:25,551 --> 00:16:27,553 And then all of a sudden Kian is coming on about, 292 00:16:27,553 --> 00:16:29,722 "What you think about me being a boy?" 293 00:16:29,722 --> 00:16:31,557 So I didn't really take it seriously. 294 00:16:31,557 --> 00:16:33,625 I thought it was just a fad that's gonna go on. 295 00:16:33,625 --> 00:16:36,929 And he's gonna just, you know, like typical teenagers, 296 00:16:36,929 --> 00:16:39,231 he's gonna just be interested in something for a while 297 00:16:39,231 --> 00:16:40,599 and then he's gonna let it go. 298 00:16:49,241 --> 00:16:53,445 If Kian had come to me at 18 years of age, 299 00:16:53,445 --> 00:16:56,315 when this really now became a solidified thing happening, 300 00:16:56,315 --> 00:16:58,484 and said, "I wanna get married. 301 00:16:58,484 --> 00:17:00,085 I'm getting married tomorrow." 302 00:17:02,154 --> 00:17:03,689 That's a life choice, 303 00:17:03,689 --> 00:17:06,792 but you can get out of that life choice. 304 00:17:06,792 --> 00:17:08,460 There is a way out. 305 00:17:08,460 --> 00:17:10,596 - It was really difficult on me. 306 00:17:10,596 --> 00:17:13,665 I was very anxious wondering if you were gonna be 307 00:17:13,665 --> 00:17:14,767 okay with it or not. 308 00:17:18,537 --> 00:17:23,475 what I felt would have to be what I do for me. 309 00:17:26,478 --> 00:17:28,981 It got to the point that I was like at five months, 310 00:17:28,981 --> 00:17:30,449 I was starting to think like, 311 00:17:30,449 --> 00:17:31,517 maybe I should just do the hormones without her. 312 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:36,555 "Well, it started so you can't stop me." 313 00:17:36,555 --> 00:17:39,792 If I had to pretend that I was a female 314 00:17:39,792 --> 00:17:42,327 for the rest of my life, I probably wouldn't make it 315 00:17:42,327 --> 00:17:43,262 through the year. 316 00:17:52,371 --> 00:17:53,672 - When the six months was over 317 00:17:53,672 --> 00:17:55,674 and it was time to start talking, 318 00:17:55,674 --> 00:17:58,343 and I said, "Okay, I have a couple questions for you." 319 00:17:58,343 --> 00:17:59,678 I said, "My biggest question," I said, 320 00:17:59,678 --> 00:18:02,347 and this is where my confusion personally came in. 321 00:18:02,347 --> 00:18:04,216 I said, "You were the one that came to me. 322 00:18:04,216 --> 00:18:06,351 You're the one that wanted to do this job 323 00:18:06,351 --> 00:18:08,320 that is so feminine. 324 00:18:11,356 --> 00:18:13,325 And now you want this, so you can understand 325 00:18:13,325 --> 00:18:15,027 there's gonna be a little push me, 326 00:18:15,027 --> 00:18:16,695 pull you confusion going on." 327 00:18:18,864 --> 00:18:19,898 And he looked at me and goes, 328 00:18:23,735 --> 00:18:26,105 And it's like, "Okay, you don't have to. 329 00:18:26,105 --> 00:18:27,172 I don't have no more questions. 330 00:18:27,172 --> 00:18:28,240 I'm in a hundred percent. 331 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:29,174 What do you need? 332 00:18:29,174 --> 00:18:30,676 And I'm there for you." 333 00:18:30,676 --> 00:18:34,179 And we've just gone literally balls to the walls. 334 00:18:37,282 --> 00:18:38,550 Even with doing things wrong, 335 00:18:38,550 --> 00:18:39,551 I think that's part of parenting. 336 00:18:39,551 --> 00:18:41,119 We're gonna make mistakes. 337 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,388 And instead of beating myself up about 338 00:18:43,388 --> 00:18:45,691 what I could have done differently, 339 00:18:45,691 --> 00:18:47,392 the biggest thing is just to remember 340 00:18:47,392 --> 00:18:49,361 that this is the person that you love. 341 00:18:49,361 --> 00:18:50,596 - [Krow] Dexter! 342 00:18:50,596 --> 00:18:51,230 - [Dexter] Hey! How are you doing? 343 00:18:51,230 --> 00:18:52,464 - [Krow] Hey! 344 00:18:52,464 --> 00:18:54,032 - [Lisa] And that hasn't changed. 345 00:18:54,032 --> 00:18:58,437 And remember how scary it is for them to come forward 346 00:18:58,437 --> 00:19:00,239 and to come to you and just say, 347 00:19:00,239 --> 00:19:01,974 "This is what's happening with me. 348 00:19:01,974 --> 00:19:03,909 I need you." 349 00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:05,210 And that's what coming out is, 350 00:19:05,210 --> 00:19:06,745 is they're saying they need you. 351 00:19:09,081 --> 00:19:11,783 - This is gonna be last photo shoot as a female 352 00:19:11,783 --> 00:19:14,586 before I get my testosterone shot. 353 00:19:14,586 --> 00:19:19,224 So yeah, it's the last hurrah basically, so... 354 00:19:19,224 --> 00:19:20,659 - We're gonna make this count. 355 00:19:20,659 --> 00:19:22,261 You see, we're gonna have like three sets here. 356 00:19:22,261 --> 00:19:23,395 - [Lisa] You hope your child believes 357 00:19:23,395 --> 00:19:25,764 that you love them enough, 358 00:19:25,764 --> 00:19:26,598 that no matter what. 359 00:19:28,767 --> 00:19:32,437 And when you have those moments that all of a sudden 360 00:19:32,437 --> 00:19:35,607 you realize that your child is afraid, is so lost, 361 00:19:43,682 --> 00:19:45,551 when you think they're so grounded, 362 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:48,654 is really, really hard. 363 00:19:51,123 --> 00:19:53,458 And that's also a moment that you have to realize 364 00:19:53,458 --> 00:19:56,562 it has absolutely nothing to do with you. 365 00:19:57,629 --> 00:19:58,997 It's about them. 366 00:19:58,997 --> 00:20:03,035 It's about what they need, not about what they want. 367 00:20:03,035 --> 00:20:08,140 And you're failing as a parent if you don't listen. 368 00:20:09,508 --> 00:20:11,810 And if you don't give your child what they need, 369 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:13,612 that's your failing. 370 00:20:13,612 --> 00:20:15,881 You're not failing because your child 371 00:20:15,881 --> 00:20:17,649 isn't what you thought they should be. 372 00:20:17,649 --> 00:20:19,351 You're failing because you're not letting your child 373 00:20:19,351 --> 00:20:21,186 be who they need to be. 374 00:20:21,186 --> 00:20:22,888 (Krow laughs) 375 00:20:22,888 --> 00:20:23,989 - [Dexter] You look great. 376 00:20:23,989 --> 00:20:25,123 - Well, I might thicken out a little. 377 00:20:25,123 --> 00:20:26,658 - [Dexter] Are you? 378 00:20:26,658 --> 00:20:28,393 - [Lisa] Maybe gets 110 pounds instead of a hundred. 379 00:20:28,393 --> 00:20:31,230 - Yeah, just pure muscle. 380 00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:32,631 I don't know. 381 00:20:32,631 --> 00:20:34,066 I feel like even after I transition, 382 00:20:34,066 --> 00:20:37,035 I'll probably still wear some like female-ish clothing, 383 00:20:37,035 --> 00:20:39,838 'cause, you know, once you're confident then it's like, 384 00:20:39,838 --> 00:20:42,541 guys can look good while wearing feminine clothes, so... 385 00:20:43,875 --> 00:20:46,178 - [Lacey] It's all working so well, so excited. 386 00:20:47,679 --> 00:20:48,847 - [Dexter] You're making this easy for us. 387 00:20:48,847 --> 00:20:50,048 - [Lacey] Yeah! (laughs) 388 00:20:50,048 --> 00:20:52,751 - [Krow] I hope to see my face get a bit more 389 00:20:52,751 --> 00:20:55,721 kind of manly features 'cause I have very soft 390 00:20:55,721 --> 00:20:57,990 and refined feminine features. 391 00:20:57,990 --> 00:21:00,926 So, yeah, I'm hoping to get that like, where it gets 392 00:21:00,926 --> 00:21:03,729 like, the slight muscle that comes right there. 393 00:21:05,697 --> 00:21:07,866 - [Dexter] I'm excited about the prospect of shooting Kian 394 00:21:07,866 --> 00:21:10,402 after the transformation is complete. 395 00:21:10,402 --> 00:21:12,871 I was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do it. 396 00:21:12,871 --> 00:21:14,206 Let's do it." 397 00:21:14,206 --> 00:21:16,241 I'll be part of this, you know, from the first, 398 00:21:16,241 --> 00:21:18,944 you know, from this shoot before that transformation 399 00:21:18,944 --> 00:21:22,047 and then be a part of it after, so I'm excited. 400 00:21:22,047 --> 00:21:26,918 What I can't wait to see is like, how he's gonna fill out. 401 00:21:26,918 --> 00:21:30,222 Right? And see how he's gonna look, you know, 402 00:21:30,222 --> 00:21:32,391 from every sense. 403 00:21:32,391 --> 00:21:35,360 (upbeat r&b music) 404 00:21:44,102 --> 00:21:47,205 For the story, you know, making it gender neutral. 405 00:21:47,205 --> 00:21:50,609 But I really love the content that we got. 406 00:21:50,609 --> 00:21:52,010 Really love the shots we got. 407 00:21:53,278 --> 00:21:56,048 (music continues) 408 00:22:01,153 --> 00:22:01,887 Yeah, like that. 409 00:22:09,961 --> 00:22:12,431 When I was told about this story, I was like, 410 00:22:12,431 --> 00:22:15,434 so, so excited to be a part of it. 411 00:22:15,434 --> 00:22:16,401 You're amazing. 412 00:22:22,474 --> 00:22:26,078 (crew laughs and applauds) 413 00:22:35,954 --> 00:22:39,858 - [Krow] Today it's a giant step for me. 414 00:22:39,858 --> 00:22:44,730 Start on me and my journey to being a guy finally. 415 00:22:47,466 --> 00:22:50,802 Even though we had a rocky start between me and my mom 416 00:22:50,802 --> 00:22:53,572 for when I first came out as being transgender, 417 00:22:54,706 --> 00:22:57,209 after she started understanding it 418 00:22:57,209 --> 00:23:00,712 and understanding that this was a choice that I had to make 419 00:23:00,712 --> 00:23:05,183 and that it wasn't just the new thing to do, 420 00:23:05,183 --> 00:23:07,619 once she understood that I truly meant to do this 421 00:23:07,619 --> 00:23:09,688 with all my heart, she supported me 422 00:23:09,688 --> 00:23:11,156 through absolutely everything, 423 00:23:11,156 --> 00:23:13,658 and was there every step of the way. 424 00:23:13,658 --> 00:23:17,329 I just went in and got my prescription, 425 00:23:17,329 --> 00:23:19,364 my little testosterone vial. 426 00:23:19,364 --> 00:23:22,401 That means I'm going to be starting testosterone soon. 427 00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:25,670 And I'm so excited about it. 428 00:23:25,670 --> 00:23:27,339 It's official, it's starting. 429 00:23:27,339 --> 00:23:30,842 - [Lisa] I get to be really lucky and have puberty twice 430 00:23:30,842 --> 00:23:32,077 with one child. 431 00:23:32,077 --> 00:23:33,478 (laughs) 432 00:23:33,478 --> 00:23:35,347 This is gonna be fun. 433 00:23:36,848 --> 00:23:40,385 Skin oiliness and acne, facial and body hair growth. 434 00:23:40,385 --> 00:23:42,220 Scalp hair loss. 435 00:23:42,220 --> 00:23:43,522 - Yes. 436 00:23:43,522 --> 00:23:45,557 - [Lisa] So you might be my bald, gay son. 437 00:23:45,557 --> 00:23:48,260 Clitoral enlargement. 438 00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:50,729 Apparently we're gonna have to have a little looser pants 439 00:23:50,729 --> 00:23:52,531 on you, from my understanding. 440 00:23:52,531 --> 00:23:55,167 - [Krow] Now she's like my biggest fan. 441 00:23:55,167 --> 00:23:56,201 - Yeah. Oh yeah. 442 00:23:56,201 --> 00:23:57,536 You got the big guns going on there. 443 00:23:57,536 --> 00:24:01,006 Body fat redistribution. (laughs) 444 00:24:01,006 --> 00:24:05,043 - [Krow] She's just been happy to try to help out 445 00:24:05,043 --> 00:24:06,711 in any way she can. 446 00:24:06,711 --> 00:24:08,380 She's so proud of me. 447 00:24:08,380 --> 00:24:10,282 So it's an amazing feeling. 448 00:24:10,282 --> 00:24:13,919 - Benefits, means it is a permanent change. 449 00:24:15,353 --> 00:24:18,890 Thinning and atrophy of vaginal tissues. So yeah. 450 00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:20,058 - Which we'll get removed. 451 00:24:20,058 --> 00:24:24,996 It's okay. 452 00:24:27,265 --> 00:24:28,767 I went in to get my first shot. 453 00:24:28,767 --> 00:24:31,970 It represents probably one of the biggest steps 454 00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:35,073 I'm gonna be taking in this whole process. 455 00:24:36,641 --> 00:24:39,911 (mellow ambient music) 456 00:24:54,593 --> 00:24:57,796 Kind of the first real big step 457 00:24:57,796 --> 00:25:00,932 that's being able to get my body to start changing, 458 00:25:00,932 --> 00:25:02,567 my voice to start changing. 459 00:25:04,102 --> 00:25:06,071 Everything's kind of being more the way I want to be. 460 00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:13,645 - [Lisa] This was a big one. 461 00:25:13,645 --> 00:25:17,616 My child is now becoming masculine. 462 00:25:19,618 --> 00:25:21,853 ♪ Happy birthday to you, hey! 463 00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:23,622 ♪ Happy birthday to you, ho! 464 00:25:23,622 --> 00:25:25,523 ♪ Happy birthday dear Kian 465 00:25:25,523 --> 00:25:26,458 - [Child] Kian! 466 00:25:26,458 --> 00:25:27,459 - [Lisa] It's a big day. 467 00:25:27,459 --> 00:25:29,995 ♪ Happy birthday to you 468 00:25:29,995 --> 00:25:31,296 (group cheers) 469 00:25:31,296 --> 00:25:33,465 I'm gonna touch on something that I thought about 470 00:25:33,465 --> 00:25:34,799 after the fact. 471 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:37,369 So the other day you did that photo shoot. 472 00:25:37,369 --> 00:25:38,670 - Yeah. 473 00:25:38,803 --> 00:25:40,138 - [Lisa] I have watched you in front of a camera 474 00:25:40,138 --> 00:25:41,239 for years now. 475 00:25:42,841 --> 00:25:44,342 12 and a half years old. 476 00:25:44,342 --> 00:25:47,112 I have seen many, many, many, many photo shoots 477 00:25:47,112 --> 00:25:48,446 that you've done. 478 00:25:48,446 --> 00:25:53,485 I have never seen the confidence that I saw in you 479 00:25:54,986 --> 00:25:56,555 the other day when you got in front of that camera, 480 00:25:56,555 --> 00:25:57,956 being you. 481 00:26:01,059 --> 00:26:03,461 That was really, really cool. 482 00:26:03,461 --> 00:26:05,830 And that's something I hope that you follow up with 483 00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:07,198 and do more with. 484 00:26:11,836 --> 00:26:13,638 - First time assigned from the clinic 485 00:26:13,638 --> 00:26:18,677 after I got my prescription for the vial of testosterone. 486 00:26:19,177 --> 00:26:19,678 Sorry. 487 00:26:33,158 --> 00:26:35,994 (audience applauds) 488 00:26:40,165 --> 00:26:43,034 - [Kas] So we're here just to support pretty much 489 00:26:43,034 --> 00:26:47,205 trans youth and educating and saving lives. 490 00:26:47,205 --> 00:26:48,139 That's the goal. 491 00:26:50,875 --> 00:26:53,979 (soft guitar music) 492 00:26:55,347 --> 00:27:00,251 ♪ It's not that easy to go back in time ♪ 493 00:27:02,087 --> 00:27:07,025 ♪ It's no secret that I put my heart on the line ♪ 494 00:27:09,394 --> 00:27:12,263 ♪ You stand watching me fall 495 00:27:12,263 --> 00:27:13,932 ♪ But not to catch me 496 00:27:13,932 --> 00:27:16,568 - [Krow] Meeting Kas was absolutely amazing. 497 00:27:16,568 --> 00:27:18,903 - I'm kind of curious as to like the biggest kind of thing 498 00:27:18,903 --> 00:27:20,271 you're feeling right now. 499 00:27:20,271 --> 00:27:22,407 - I've noticed I've been a lot happier. 500 00:27:22,407 --> 00:27:24,909 Seeing him be like absolutely confident in himself. 501 00:27:24,909 --> 00:27:25,977 - "Oh, I have man shoulders now. 502 00:27:25,977 --> 00:27:27,579 This is awesome. This is perfect. 503 00:27:27,579 --> 00:27:29,748 This is, okay, I wanna stand a little taller now." (laughs) 504 00:27:29,748 --> 00:27:32,784 - [Krow] Them not being afraid to just, I don't know, 505 00:27:32,784 --> 00:27:34,052 just be a person. 506 00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:37,756 - It's kind of cool like, going through just 507 00:27:37,756 --> 00:27:39,257 talking to someone who's going through it. 508 00:27:39,257 --> 00:27:41,593 'Cause I feel like I've been so isolated in terms of, 509 00:27:41,593 --> 00:27:42,927 from the transgender community. 510 00:27:42,927 --> 00:27:44,496 'Cause I came up like pretty like. 511 00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:45,430 - Early, early. 512 00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:46,965 - Early and like, alone. 513 00:27:46,965 --> 00:27:49,300 Like, I didn't know any other transgender people. 514 00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:51,136 I didn't have anyone who's going through it. 515 00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:53,271 I honestly don't even remember 516 00:27:53,271 --> 00:27:56,207 how I first heard the term transgender. 517 00:27:57,942 --> 00:28:02,414 Like, I've always wanted to be a boy. 518 00:28:02,414 --> 00:28:04,149 You know, when I was two, I was asking everyone 519 00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:07,685 when my penis was gonna grow in like all the other boys 520 00:28:07,685 --> 00:28:10,955 and I was sorely disappointed to find out 521 00:28:10,955 --> 00:28:12,791 that that would never happen for me. 522 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,761 I've just like known all along. 523 00:28:16,761 --> 00:28:20,532 So, I mean at 17 I came out and coming to that realization 524 00:28:20,532 --> 00:28:23,435 was just really like, like a brief moment of clarity. 525 00:28:23,435 --> 00:28:26,805 And then literally, you know, no one else knew. 526 00:28:26,805 --> 00:28:27,972 I was terrified to tell my girlfriend. 527 00:28:27,972 --> 00:28:29,441 I was terrified to tell everyone else. 528 00:28:29,441 --> 00:28:32,977 And no matter how many people you have supporting you, 529 00:28:32,977 --> 00:28:35,146 no matter how many people you have 530 00:28:35,146 --> 00:28:36,981 trying to understand how you feel, 531 00:28:36,981 --> 00:28:40,151 there will never be anyone that will understand 532 00:28:40,151 --> 00:28:42,153 the inner struggle that you've had to go through. 533 00:28:42,153 --> 00:28:44,055 And the changes you're gonna have to go through 534 00:28:44,055 --> 00:28:45,757 to get to where you want to be. 535 00:28:47,192 --> 00:28:50,328 And you know, that's where the community really helps out. 536 00:29:02,207 --> 00:29:05,376 - So this is basically the sort of non-book trans area. 537 00:29:05,376 --> 00:29:08,179 So you've got a few binders here. 538 00:29:08,179 --> 00:29:10,548 I have a half one on right now just because 539 00:29:10,548 --> 00:29:13,852 I find it easier to slip in if I'm kind of 540 00:29:13,852 --> 00:29:15,820 quickly gonna go do something. 541 00:29:16,888 --> 00:29:20,191 Though, I do prefer the longer ones. 542 00:29:20,191 --> 00:29:23,862 So it would be like a full one like this. 543 00:29:23,862 --> 00:29:24,662 - [Ken] Like a tank top almost. 544 00:29:24,662 --> 00:29:26,030 - Yeah. 545 00:29:26,030 --> 00:29:27,699 And the one I have has has the binding part 546 00:29:27,699 --> 00:29:29,367 only about up to here. 547 00:29:29,367 --> 00:29:31,836 And then kind of like a swimsuit-ish fabric down here. 548 00:29:31,836 --> 00:29:32,837 - [Ken] Right, right. 549 00:29:32,837 --> 00:29:34,072 - So it's like Under Armour. 550 00:29:34,072 --> 00:29:38,376 So then I just fold that up to about here halfway 551 00:29:38,376 --> 00:29:41,746 and then hold onto where the actual tough binding is 552 00:29:41,746 --> 00:29:44,282 and then try to like, slide it on. 553 00:29:44,282 --> 00:29:45,483 It's good. 554 00:29:47,585 --> 00:29:49,020 so that it's evenly flat. 555 00:29:50,388 --> 00:29:52,357 But yeah, aside from that, for the first while 556 00:29:52,357 --> 00:29:53,725 it feels kind of tight 'cause your body 557 00:29:53,725 --> 00:29:55,059 has to get used to it. 558 00:29:55,059 --> 00:29:57,095 And also the binder itself has to kind of 559 00:29:57,095 --> 00:29:58,396 shape to your body too. 560 00:29:59,964 --> 00:30:03,401 I used to be a small, small D to a large C, 561 00:30:03,401 --> 00:30:07,138 and then after binding, it has actually flattened down 562 00:30:07,138 --> 00:30:09,040 and it's not as firm, I've noticed. 563 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,477 So it got a little smaller, yay. 564 00:30:12,477 --> 00:30:14,712 - I don't really feel like I identify 565 00:30:14,712 --> 00:30:16,047 with that part of my body. 566 00:30:16,047 --> 00:30:17,782 And in fact, one of the things that I dealt with 567 00:30:17,782 --> 00:30:21,319 in my early like, dysphoria that I knew it was dysphoria 568 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,389 was like binding all day and then coming home 569 00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:25,657 and taking my binder off and being like, 570 00:30:25,657 --> 00:30:27,158 "Whoa!" 571 00:30:27,158 --> 00:30:28,960 Like, "That's my body." 572 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,495 I completely would like dissociate from that. 573 00:30:30,495 --> 00:30:32,764 And not even remember that I like had breasts 574 00:30:32,764 --> 00:30:36,634 and then I'd come home and be like, "Okay, dang." 575 00:30:36,634 --> 00:30:37,802 - I'll come out of the shower. 576 00:30:37,802 --> 00:30:39,437 Like I won't even think about it. 577 00:30:39,437 --> 00:30:41,105 I'll come out of the shower and like be getting dressed 578 00:30:41,105 --> 00:30:42,440 and be like, "Time to put my binder back on." 579 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,610 And I like look down, I'm like, "Whoa." 580 00:30:45,610 --> 00:30:47,145 Don't look down! - Yeah. 581 00:30:47,145 --> 00:30:48,012 Don't look down.! - Yeah. 582 00:30:48,012 --> 00:30:49,247 - I know the feeling. 583 00:30:49,247 --> 00:30:50,915 Yeah, don't look down as like a trans 584 00:30:50,915 --> 00:30:52,317 rule of showering, I think. 585 00:30:55,153 --> 00:30:56,621 - [Ken] So these are sort of the higher end ones, 586 00:30:56,621 --> 00:30:58,656 are what's this particular company. 587 00:30:58,656 --> 00:31:00,792 So they actually look much more realistically 588 00:31:00,792 --> 00:31:01,693 like a penis, for sure. 589 00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:02,660 - [Krow] And they even feel it. 590 00:31:02,660 --> 00:31:04,162 I've seen my friends have it. 591 00:31:04,162 --> 00:31:05,597 - And they actually feel more, yeah. they're soft. 592 00:31:05,597 --> 00:31:07,799 They've got like real mushy flush material, kind of. 593 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:09,033 - My friends let me grab one in 594 00:31:09,033 --> 00:31:10,134 and like start spinning it. 595 00:31:10,134 --> 00:31:12,136 - Spinning it around, yeah. (laugh) 596 00:31:12,136 --> 00:31:13,705 And this is more like a dildo. 597 00:31:13,705 --> 00:31:15,039 So you could wear this in like a harness or whatever 598 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:16,274 and you can actually have sex with this. 599 00:31:16,274 --> 00:31:17,475 You can basically interact, right? 600 00:31:17,475 --> 00:31:18,576 - [Krow] Yeah. 601 00:31:19,877 --> 00:31:21,479 you can also add testicles on your own. 602 00:31:21,479 --> 00:31:23,681 Even add a vibration to the testicles if you want. 603 00:31:23,681 --> 00:31:24,883 - [Krow] Oh, that's interesting. 604 00:31:24,883 --> 00:31:25,650 - [Ken] So you can get a little bit 605 00:31:25,650 --> 00:31:27,018 of extra boost for fun. 606 00:31:27,018 --> 00:31:28,486 And then this, you can wear it as a packer 607 00:31:28,486 --> 00:31:30,321 and then you can actually stand and pee in a urinal 608 00:31:30,321 --> 00:31:31,990 if you want to, so you don't have to use a stall 609 00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:33,658 or be a stall man. 610 00:31:33,658 --> 00:31:35,360 - Interesting. 611 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,296 The only thing would be like, would you be able to clean it 612 00:31:38,296 --> 00:31:39,998 like right there on the spot? 613 00:31:39,998 --> 00:31:42,567 - You probably have to do like a little Kleenex sponge. 614 00:31:42,567 --> 00:31:44,502 - Yeah, that would be a little weird 615 00:31:44,502 --> 00:31:47,372 to try cleaning for the first while, yeah. 616 00:31:47,372 --> 00:31:48,806 - But I can assure you that 617 00:31:48,806 --> 00:31:50,208 some straight guys are dribblers. 618 00:31:50,208 --> 00:31:52,143 (laughs) 619 00:31:53,645 --> 00:31:55,847 - When I first got a packer, it was kind of like around 620 00:31:55,847 --> 00:31:57,348 the same time I got a binder. 621 00:31:57,348 --> 00:31:58,716 I just like went on gung ho and wanted everything. 622 00:31:58,716 --> 00:32:00,885 I was just like, "I want it all at once." 623 00:32:01,853 --> 00:32:03,855 I got the pack and pee. 624 00:32:03,855 --> 00:32:05,023 Like, I worked construction. 625 00:32:05,023 --> 00:32:08,559 So it was just super uncomfortable 626 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,361 like, moving around all the time. 627 00:32:10,361 --> 00:32:12,697 I literally just got lazy that I'd tried it on 628 00:32:12,697 --> 00:32:16,200 and it would be really awesome and feel like, great. 629 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,536 And then like the band would loosen like, 630 00:32:18,536 --> 00:32:21,005 it cause it was just like some elastic. 631 00:32:21,005 --> 00:32:22,707 Got to the point where I was just like, 632 00:32:22,707 --> 00:32:24,242 "You know what? 633 00:32:24,242 --> 00:32:28,246 I'm just gonna nix this because it's just taken up 634 00:32:28,246 --> 00:32:29,847 way too much of my time." 635 00:32:29,847 --> 00:32:32,717 Like, I mean like I'm not even adjusting my balls anymore. 636 00:32:32,717 --> 00:32:35,520 I'm just like, I'm just adjusting my strap all the time. 637 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,855 (laughs) 638 00:32:37,855 --> 00:32:41,426 - At this point I'm like, okay, , medical things 639 00:32:41,426 --> 00:32:46,331 have come along far enough that now I will have the option 640 00:32:47,532 --> 00:32:48,766 probably within the next three to five years 641 00:32:48,766 --> 00:32:51,235 of having an actual transplant, 642 00:32:51,235 --> 00:32:54,906 which would provide feeling and functionality. 643 00:32:56,541 --> 00:32:59,377 So I'm going to be waiting with that. 644 00:32:59,377 --> 00:33:01,646 But if that hadn't happened, 645 00:33:01,646 --> 00:33:04,048 if they hadn't done the first successful one, 646 00:33:05,316 --> 00:33:07,785 then I would've already been on the waiting list 647 00:33:07,785 --> 00:33:11,656 for getting the surgery, the bottom surgery. 648 00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:13,658 - It's scary to go under the knife for something 649 00:33:13,658 --> 00:33:15,660 that's not, you know, medically necessary. 650 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:17,595 Scary when it is medically necessary too. 651 00:33:17,595 --> 00:33:21,399 But it's scarier almost when it's like a box you're ticking. 652 00:33:21,399 --> 00:33:22,667 Like, "Yes, I sign my rights away. 653 00:33:22,667 --> 00:33:24,769 "Yes, I sign my pulse away," potentially. 654 00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:26,337 Like, it's scary. 655 00:33:26,337 --> 00:33:28,740 - Like the big, "Okay, I'm not ready for this yet," 656 00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:31,275 was that, you know, like they'll cut everything 657 00:33:31,275 --> 00:33:34,946 and kind of, I guess, pull it out in a sense 658 00:33:34,946 --> 00:33:37,415 and you have to take like a massive skin graft 659 00:33:37,415 --> 00:33:39,250 from your arm or your leg. 660 00:33:39,250 --> 00:33:40,451 And I'm kinda like looking like, 661 00:33:40,451 --> 00:33:42,687 "Hey, well like what do I want tattooed 662 00:33:42,687 --> 00:33:45,123 on my dick at this point?" 663 00:33:45,123 --> 00:33:46,758 (both laugh) 664 00:33:46,758 --> 00:33:50,428 So, I opted to wait to see if science would improve. 665 00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:53,865 - [Ken] The trans community is really kind of 666 00:33:53,865 --> 00:33:56,334 going through a big awakening in the same way 667 00:33:56,334 --> 00:33:58,102 that queer community did sort of in the sixties 668 00:33:58,102 --> 00:33:59,303 and seventies kind of. 669 00:33:59,303 --> 00:34:00,671 It used to be sort of queer studies 670 00:34:00,671 --> 00:34:02,140 with a little bit of transgender. 671 00:34:02,306 --> 00:34:04,675 And now it's transgender with a little bit of queer studies. 672 00:34:06,210 --> 00:34:09,847 So like this last Pride, we ordered more transgender flags 673 00:34:09,847 --> 00:34:11,149 than we've ever ordered before. 674 00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:12,650 And we still sold out before Pride. 675 00:34:12,650 --> 00:34:14,952 - Wow. 676 00:34:14,952 --> 00:34:17,121 (crowds cheering) 677 00:34:17,121 --> 00:34:20,291 (upbeat techno music) 678 00:34:45,183 --> 00:34:47,185 - Here it has the choice. 679 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,323 This means that I can start applying for my name change. 680 00:34:53,391 --> 00:34:55,993 Once I have this and everything is approved, 681 00:34:55,993 --> 00:34:58,696 then I'm gonna start going to my job as male only. 682 00:34:58,696 --> 00:35:03,067 Luckily my job is very generic and gender neutral. 683 00:35:03,067 --> 00:35:07,238 What I do for work is background actor, or extra. 684 00:35:07,238 --> 00:35:09,707 So as soon as these papers go through, 685 00:35:09,707 --> 00:35:12,710 then I'm going to have a lot more confidence 686 00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:16,714 to be able to tell people that if they're asking questions, 687 00:35:16,714 --> 00:35:19,884 just be like, "Well I'm male and I want to be cast 688 00:35:19,884 --> 00:35:21,352 as male only roles." 689 00:35:26,224 --> 00:35:31,362 The makeup people have been asking me, oh, it's kind of, 690 00:35:32,763 --> 00:35:36,267 some of them just look, but others that know that I'm trans 691 00:35:36,267 --> 00:35:38,302 they're like, "Okay, so when are you going to start shaving 692 00:35:38,302 --> 00:35:39,470 your little mustache thing" 693 00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:41,939 I'm like, "Ah, I want to shave!" 694 00:35:41,939 --> 00:35:46,077 Here is my attempt to shave for the first time. 695 00:36:04,061 --> 00:36:05,563 (laughs) 696 00:36:05,663 --> 00:36:10,401 - [Lisa] I won't get into great details about Kian's father. 697 00:36:13,771 --> 00:36:17,141 His father had decided not to be part of his life, 698 00:36:17,141 --> 00:36:18,476 at least at that point in time. 699 00:36:18,476 --> 00:36:19,911 And it's stayed that way. 700 00:36:26,584 --> 00:36:29,854 So I knew I was gonna be a single parent right off the bat. 701 00:36:29,854 --> 00:36:31,589 And I was fine with that. 702 00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:33,724 It was never, never an issue whatsoever. 703 00:36:35,493 --> 00:36:38,296 - [Krow] Two years later after he had me, 704 00:36:38,296 --> 00:36:42,800 he had another kid with someone who is now his wife, 705 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,169 and then another two years after that, he had another kid. 706 00:36:45,169 --> 00:36:49,106 So he never wanted to talk to me previous to that. 707 00:36:49,106 --> 00:36:51,776 And that even though he couldn't handle responsibility 708 00:36:51,776 --> 00:36:54,111 of a kid that all of a sudden two years later, 709 00:36:54,111 --> 00:36:57,648 "Oh, he can handle a kid and a wife and another kid. 710 00:36:57,648 --> 00:37:00,351 And not even bother trying to talk to me 711 00:37:00,351 --> 00:37:02,620 when I was still under 10 years old." 712 00:37:03,955 --> 00:37:04,755 Yeah, no. 713 00:37:06,157 --> 00:37:09,193 (soft piano music) 714 00:37:13,631 --> 00:37:14,999 - [Lisa] When I was pregnant with you, 715 00:37:14,999 --> 00:37:16,200 I kept having a dream. 716 00:37:17,668 --> 00:37:20,237 And I had a dream about me walking with my son 717 00:37:20,237 --> 00:37:21,472 along the beach. 718 00:37:23,674 --> 00:37:26,377 And it happened over, and over, and over again. 719 00:37:26,377 --> 00:37:28,312 And it was a very specific dream. 720 00:37:29,347 --> 00:37:32,783 So, go ahead and open it. 721 00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:39,190 And we now have a painting of me with my son 722 00:37:40,024 --> 00:37:40,891 when he was a child. 723 00:37:43,027 --> 00:37:43,894 - [Krow] Mom! 724 00:37:45,896 --> 00:37:50,701 - [Lisa] This is the one and only picture 725 00:37:50,701 --> 00:37:53,738 that my son and I have of him being a young child, 726 00:37:54,905 --> 00:37:56,240 and him being my son. 727 00:37:57,575 --> 00:37:59,210 I hope you really enjoy it. 728 00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:00,544 - [Krow] I love it. 729 00:38:00,544 --> 00:38:01,746 - Oh God. Here we go. (laughs) Waterworks. 730 00:38:05,549 --> 00:38:06,751 - Thank you, Mom. 731 00:38:09,286 --> 00:38:13,257 - So it's been almost eight months, seven and a half so far. 732 00:38:14,392 --> 00:38:15,693 Yeah, it's been going good. 733 00:38:17,795 --> 00:38:20,765 My voice stopped kind of dropping. 734 00:38:20,765 --> 00:38:24,568 So, my period also came back. 735 00:38:24,568 --> 00:38:27,705 So, my doctor had me up the dosage. 736 00:38:27,705 --> 00:38:31,042 So, right now, just waiting for that to kind of kick in. 737 00:38:31,042 --> 00:38:35,413 Just mentally, I was at a block where I couldn't 738 00:38:35,413 --> 00:38:36,714 give myself the shot. 739 00:38:36,714 --> 00:38:37,815 So I had to get my friend to do it 740 00:38:37,815 --> 00:38:40,418 or go in and get the doctors to do it. 741 00:38:40,418 --> 00:38:41,886 So I'm still kind of new at it. 742 00:38:41,886 --> 00:38:45,489 I haven't messed up yet, but you know, 743 00:38:45,489 --> 00:38:46,857 there's always the chance. 744 00:38:48,059 --> 00:38:49,727 All right, so you have it upside down that way 745 00:38:49,727 --> 00:38:53,230 you don't have any bubbles. 746 00:38:53,230 --> 00:38:55,132 Do some taps. 747 00:38:55,132 --> 00:38:58,402 Now we're going to unscrew this 748 00:38:59,470 --> 00:39:01,005 and this goes in the sharp container 749 00:39:01,005 --> 00:39:03,407 and you never have to look at it again. 750 00:39:03,407 --> 00:39:04,742 Scary needle is gone. 751 00:39:08,112 --> 00:39:10,948 And now we get to do the needle stuff. 752 00:39:13,784 --> 00:39:15,953 Go until you have that little droplet 753 00:39:17,755 --> 00:39:19,957 and then we're gonna grab an area here. 754 00:39:26,497 --> 00:39:29,600 (takes a deep breath) 755 00:39:31,836 --> 00:39:34,338 (tense music) 756 00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:51,155 Oh no, I'm tripping myself out. (chuckles) 757 00:39:51,155 --> 00:39:55,993 All right, I can do this. 758 00:39:55,993 --> 00:39:56,761 Oh my gosh. 759 00:40:06,337 --> 00:40:08,372 Oh no, I can't do this. 760 00:40:21,652 --> 00:40:23,654 Just don't deal with it. 761 00:40:26,590 --> 00:40:29,727 (takes a deep breath) 762 00:40:48,546 --> 00:40:51,515 (soft guitar music) 763 00:40:54,385 --> 00:40:56,854 ♪ I breathe you in 764 00:40:56,854 --> 00:41:01,225 ♪ I feel you sinking into my blood ♪ 765 00:41:01,225 --> 00:41:03,727 ♪ You're under my skin 766 00:41:03,727 --> 00:41:07,698 ♪ The taste of you is not enough ♪ 767 00:41:07,698 --> 00:41:10,568 ♪ I'm slowly letting go 768 00:41:10,568 --> 00:41:13,871 ♪ Of all my inhibitions 769 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,875 - [Kas] Starting, you know, grade eight, grade nine, 770 00:41:17,875 --> 00:41:19,376 that self-awareness when you're really aware 771 00:41:19,376 --> 00:41:22,413 of how you look, your body, the changes that are happening 772 00:41:22,413 --> 00:41:23,914 as you're going through puberty, 773 00:41:23,914 --> 00:41:26,250 looking in the mirror was the hardest thing for me. 774 00:41:26,250 --> 00:41:27,952 Like, I just wanted to break the mirror every single time. 775 00:41:27,952 --> 00:41:29,587 I absolutely hated what I saw. 776 00:41:30,554 --> 00:41:31,922 That amount of self hate, 777 00:41:31,922 --> 00:41:34,124 like there's a lot of destructive habits 778 00:41:34,124 --> 00:41:35,025 that come out of that. 779 00:41:36,627 --> 00:41:41,565 Alcohol, and smoking, and you know, like pills 780 00:41:42,766 --> 00:41:43,934 and a lot of that kind of thing, right? 781 00:41:43,934 --> 00:41:48,105 Suicide attempts and just a lot of self harm. 782 00:41:48,105 --> 00:41:50,074 Instead of cutting myself, I would go home. 783 00:41:50,074 --> 00:41:53,644 I would blast music as loud as it would go. 784 00:41:53,644 --> 00:41:56,113 And I would just like repeatedly smack my head 785 00:41:56,113 --> 00:41:59,583 against the wall until I was so numb and so lightheaded. 786 00:42:00,951 --> 00:42:03,921 For me, it wasn't about feeling a different kind of pain. 787 00:42:03,921 --> 00:42:06,123 It was about not feeling at all. 788 00:42:06,123 --> 00:42:08,158 I did that quite a bit and that's definitely something 789 00:42:08,158 --> 00:42:11,762 that I've later on in life suffered a lot of concussions. 790 00:42:12,963 --> 00:42:15,466 - [Nancy] I never knew about the head bashing. 791 00:42:15,466 --> 00:42:17,334 I knew there was blackness. 792 00:42:17,334 --> 00:42:21,205 I just didn't know how I could communicate with him. 793 00:42:21,205 --> 00:42:24,008 You know, we tried to go to a counselor 794 00:42:26,043 --> 00:42:28,712 and it seemed like such a private journey. 795 00:42:28,712 --> 00:42:32,182 And we, as parents just felt totally powerless. 796 00:42:32,182 --> 00:42:34,618 There was a brick wall around him. 797 00:42:34,618 --> 00:42:37,721 ♪ Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes 798 00:42:37,721 --> 00:42:42,660 ♪ Turn and face the strange 799 00:42:43,494 --> 00:42:46,163 ♪ Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes 800 00:42:46,163 --> 00:42:51,035 ♪ It's gonna have to be a different man ♪ 801 00:42:51,035 --> 00:42:55,205 He has lived this by himself. 802 00:42:56,907 --> 00:42:59,643 Not because we didn't want to be there with him, 803 00:43:01,745 --> 00:43:05,382 but again, that brick wall was so thick. 804 00:43:05,382 --> 00:43:07,351 - The closest time I think I came to like, 805 00:43:07,351 --> 00:43:11,822 actually just killing myself, was I just drank 806 00:43:11,822 --> 00:43:14,825 and swallowed a ton of pills. 807 00:43:14,825 --> 00:43:16,927 And as much as I hated myself, 808 00:43:16,927 --> 00:43:19,029 and as much as I wanted to die, 809 00:43:19,029 --> 00:43:21,165 in that moment, I panicked. 810 00:43:21,165 --> 00:43:23,000 There was some glimmer that was telling me 811 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,268 that I don't want to die. 812 00:43:24,268 --> 00:43:26,170 Like, that's not over yet. 813 00:43:26,170 --> 00:43:30,040 And I ran to my mom and woke her up 814 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,576 and I ended up throwing everything up. 815 00:43:32,576 --> 00:43:33,544 - Huh... 816 00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:35,679 It's horrible. 817 00:43:37,281 --> 00:43:40,851 You feel powerless and that's the hard thing to deal with. 818 00:43:43,253 --> 00:43:47,124 Can't believe I'm crying about it all these years later. 819 00:43:47,124 --> 00:43:48,025 It stays. 820 00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:54,565 And that was, in some ways, as horrible as it was, 821 00:43:55,799 --> 00:43:58,302 it was the first time that he allowed me in. 822 00:43:58,302 --> 00:44:00,804 ♪ Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes 823 00:44:00,804 --> 00:44:04,608 ♪ Turn and face the strange 824 00:44:05,776 --> 00:44:08,178 I just thank my lucky stars I still have him. 825 00:44:09,813 --> 00:44:14,752 ♪ It's gonna have to be a different man. ♪ 826 00:44:16,286 --> 00:44:19,923 - [Kas] My mom is just hands down the most incredible person 827 00:44:19,923 --> 00:44:22,292 on this Earth because I can honestly say 828 00:44:22,292 --> 00:44:25,262 that if I did not have my mom, I wouldn't be here today. 829 00:44:31,668 --> 00:44:35,005 ♪ I could wait for you to change ♪ 830 00:44:35,005 --> 00:44:37,641 ♪ But what good would that do? 831 00:44:37,641 --> 00:44:40,744 - [Nancy] I appreciate every day that I have my son 832 00:44:40,744 --> 00:44:45,716 and I'm able to feel admiration and amazement 833 00:44:46,817 --> 00:44:49,119 and the courage that your child needs to have 834 00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:53,924 and that my child has, to be who he is. 835 00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:58,862 And really it's just about gender. 836 00:44:58,862 --> 00:45:01,799 He's still the same person I gave birth to. 837 00:45:01,799 --> 00:45:06,704 The envelope has changed a little bit and we celebrate that, 838 00:45:06,704 --> 00:45:10,374 but I'm just really lucky to have him with us still. 839 00:45:10,374 --> 00:45:12,376 ♪ You're the devil 840 00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:15,679 ♪ The devil in disguise 841 00:45:20,851 --> 00:45:22,519 (audience applauds) 842 00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:24,488 There was an urgency for Kas. 843 00:45:24,488 --> 00:45:29,259 For him, he just needed to have that physical surgery 844 00:45:30,494 --> 00:45:34,031 in order to feel that he could go forward. 845 00:45:34,031 --> 00:45:36,834 - [Kas] I went for chest surgery out in Florida. 846 00:45:38,502 --> 00:45:40,504 It all happened so fast. 847 00:45:40,504 --> 00:45:43,974 I remember him unwrapping, but I looked down and said, 848 00:45:43,974 --> 00:45:45,709 "Holy fuck, they're gone." 849 00:45:47,244 --> 00:45:50,247 And it was just like, you know, I had these tiny nipples 850 00:45:50,247 --> 00:45:52,049 that were just like sewn right back on. 851 00:45:52,049 --> 00:45:54,685 And it was just like, I had a complete flat chest 852 00:45:54,685 --> 00:45:56,120 for the first time in my life. 853 00:45:57,521 --> 00:46:02,025 That was for me the point where I started to feel 854 00:46:02,025 --> 00:46:03,827 even remotely comfortable in my body. 855 00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:09,700 - [Krow] We're at the surgeon's office. 856 00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:12,369 We're gonna go see him and he's gonna be the one 857 00:46:12,369 --> 00:46:16,406 that's gonna be doing the breast reduction surgery for me. 858 00:46:16,406 --> 00:46:19,443 So we're gonna do the consultation and he's gonna sit down 859 00:46:19,443 --> 00:46:21,545 and talk with me and make sure that I'm familiar 860 00:46:21,545 --> 00:46:22,780 with the procedure. 861 00:46:22,780 --> 00:46:24,047 - How long have you been considering 862 00:46:24,047 --> 00:46:26,850 the surgery side of this? 863 00:46:26,850 --> 00:46:28,685 - Since I was 16. 864 00:46:28,685 --> 00:46:29,553 - And you're... 865 00:46:29,553 --> 00:46:30,254 - I am 21 now. 866 00:46:31,855 --> 00:46:35,025 (quiet ambient music) 867 00:46:55,245 --> 00:46:57,981 - So you can imagine you take something this big 868 00:46:57,981 --> 00:46:59,216 and bring it down to something like that, 869 00:46:59,216 --> 00:47:01,552 you'll get pleats around the edges. 870 00:47:01,552 --> 00:47:03,153 That generally settles down. 871 00:47:03,153 --> 00:47:08,058 We try to get these scars as symmetrical as we can. 872 00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:09,927 Okay. All right. 873 00:47:09,927 --> 00:47:11,895 - Awesome. Thank you very much. 874 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,936 All right, here we are. 875 00:47:20,904 --> 00:47:21,905 New name! 876 00:47:24,007 --> 00:47:27,945 Gender marker, so my gender marker is now male. 877 00:47:27,945 --> 00:47:30,781 When people ask for my ID, 878 00:47:31,915 --> 00:47:33,417 I don't have to look at them awkwardly 879 00:47:33,417 --> 00:47:34,518 as they like look at my gender marker 880 00:47:34,518 --> 00:47:36,687 and look at my face and like, "Huh?" 881 00:47:36,687 --> 00:47:41,325 One of the first questions I get from non-transgender 882 00:47:41,325 --> 00:47:45,796 and straight people is, "You're trans. 883 00:47:45,796 --> 00:47:47,331 Does that mean you like girls?" 884 00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:53,136 It is probably one of the most common questions I get 885 00:47:53,136 --> 00:47:54,605 and all the time I'm like, 886 00:47:54,771 --> 00:47:59,343 "No, just because I'm trans does not mean I'm into girls." 887 00:48:00,510 --> 00:48:01,878 It's actually, for me specifically, 888 00:48:01,878 --> 00:48:03,647 it's the exact opposite. 889 00:48:03,647 --> 00:48:05,649 I have a phobia of female parts. 890 00:48:05,649 --> 00:48:08,051 And even the thought of being with like, 891 00:48:08,051 --> 00:48:09,987 a physically female person is just like, 892 00:48:09,987 --> 00:48:12,823 not in my registry and like, I couldn't. 893 00:48:12,823 --> 00:48:14,157 I couldn't. 894 00:48:14,157 --> 00:48:14,958 - I've always been attracted to girls 895 00:48:14,958 --> 00:48:16,293 and that hasn't changed. 896 00:48:16,293 --> 00:48:18,729 Like I, you know, and like, that's just me. 897 00:48:18,729 --> 00:48:21,498 I mean, I was a lesbian, I identified as a lesbian 898 00:48:21,498 --> 00:48:23,667 before I transitioned into a male. 899 00:48:23,667 --> 00:48:26,870 So, you know, I technically went from gay straight. 900 00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:28,305 - Whereas for me it's the opposite. 901 00:48:28,305 --> 00:48:29,673 Going from straight to gay. - Straight to gay. 902 00:48:29,673 --> 00:48:31,909 Yeah, 'cause at some point in your life, 903 00:48:31,909 --> 00:48:34,411 if you're trans and you like people, 904 00:48:34,411 --> 00:48:38,382 you're going to be gay at some point. 905 00:48:38,382 --> 00:48:39,383 - Or at the very least bisexual 906 00:48:39,383 --> 00:48:40,384 - [Krow] Or at least bisexual. 907 00:48:40,384 --> 00:48:42,152 - Yeah, I mean it's gonna be... 908 00:48:42,152 --> 00:48:44,655 - You're gonna fit in that section at some point, 909 00:48:44,655 --> 00:48:46,223 unless you're just like, "No, I don't like people. 910 00:48:46,223 --> 00:48:47,391 Just never touch me." 911 00:48:49,092 --> 00:48:50,027 - Just stay away. 912 00:48:50,027 --> 00:48:51,328 - Just stay away. 913 00:48:53,697 --> 00:48:56,700 - [Jane] Today, I'm incredibly pleased to see our government 914 00:48:56,700 --> 00:49:01,405 is taking the next step by amending the human rights code 915 00:49:01,405 --> 00:49:04,942 to include explicit language that reaffirms the fact 916 00:49:04,942 --> 00:49:09,579 that transgender persons are clearly protected by the law. 917 00:49:09,579 --> 00:49:11,415 - All those in favor, please rise. 918 00:49:16,053 --> 00:49:18,255 (group applauds) 919 00:49:18,255 --> 00:49:20,524 - [Spencer] On a day like today where we introduce 920 00:49:20,524 --> 00:49:23,393 legislation to change our human rights code, 921 00:49:23,393 --> 00:49:26,596 to finally exclusively protect transgender people, 922 00:49:26,596 --> 00:49:27,898 I'm incredibly excited. 923 00:49:29,266 --> 00:49:31,134 - [Kas] You know, transitioning is like, 924 00:49:31,134 --> 00:49:32,602 it's a personal battle. 925 00:49:32,602 --> 00:49:34,871 And then it's also a battle trying to 926 00:49:34,871 --> 00:49:36,473 represent yourself in society. 927 00:49:36,473 --> 00:49:39,876 And try to express yourself without fear, 928 00:49:39,876 --> 00:49:43,547 the reassurance and safety that we don't have to be scared 929 00:49:43,547 --> 00:49:44,381 to be ourselves. 930 00:49:46,149 --> 00:49:49,486 It sets a good precedent for other, you know, 931 00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:53,156 demographics of Parliament and also other countries even. 932 00:49:53,156 --> 00:49:56,059 I think it can apply to everyone everywhere. 933 00:49:58,929 --> 00:50:00,797 - [Jane] One more recommendations was, of course, 934 00:50:00,797 --> 00:50:04,368 to support the gay straight alliances in schools 935 00:50:05,569 --> 00:50:09,306 and basically to beef up the human rights code 936 00:50:09,306 --> 00:50:11,441 to include everybody. 937 00:50:11,441 --> 00:50:13,610 And so it was very exciting to include 938 00:50:13,610 --> 00:50:16,480 gender identity and gender expression. 939 00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:24,488 - All right, so I'm actually gonna be getting my, 940 00:50:25,422 --> 00:50:26,790 oh, what's the name of it? 941 00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:28,291 Hysterectomy. 942 00:50:28,291 --> 00:50:29,793 I'm gonna be getting that done soon. 943 00:50:29,793 --> 00:50:33,363 And that's where they remove all the internal female parts. 944 00:50:33,363 --> 00:50:37,434 - Kian never got nervous, which I found really odd. 945 00:50:37,434 --> 00:50:39,836 I was getting more nervous just thinking about him 946 00:50:39,836 --> 00:50:42,039 and what he had to go through. 947 00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:46,143 And trip out there, got him up early in the morning. 948 00:50:46,143 --> 00:50:49,012 He was obviously a little groggy, 949 00:50:49,012 --> 00:50:50,847 but he was doing just fine. 950 00:50:50,847 --> 00:50:54,885 - Getting ready to go to the hospital, get my surgery. 951 00:50:54,885 --> 00:50:58,488 - [Lisa] And then they said, when we got to the hospital, 952 00:50:58,488 --> 00:51:00,657 staff, they were fantastic, by the way. 953 00:51:00,657 --> 00:51:02,325 Really, really great people there. 954 00:51:02,325 --> 00:51:03,794 - [Krow] No one judged me. 955 00:51:03,794 --> 00:51:08,165 Actually the first nurse to come when I was actually 956 00:51:09,466 --> 00:51:11,201 positioned in a proper room, was a male nurse. 957 00:51:11,201 --> 00:51:14,171 And he was really enthusiastic about 958 00:51:14,171 --> 00:51:15,672 me doing the changeover. 959 00:51:15,672 --> 00:51:17,741 And he's like, "Yeah, I was wondering about, 960 00:51:17,741 --> 00:51:19,476 I looked at the patient file and it was like, 961 00:51:19,476 --> 00:51:22,679 'Oh, a male, but in for hysterectomy.'" 962 00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:24,081 And he was a little confused about that. 963 00:51:24,081 --> 00:51:25,248 And then when he saw me, he understood. 964 00:51:25,248 --> 00:51:26,817 He was like, "Oh, okay." 965 00:51:26,817 --> 00:51:29,486 And yeah, he was really thought that I was changing 966 00:51:29,486 --> 00:51:31,822 for myself was really cool. 967 00:51:31,822 --> 00:51:33,190 And he was really supportive of that. 968 00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:34,691 So that was really fun having that. 969 00:51:34,691 --> 00:51:36,927 I think, personally, it's a risk that you should be 970 00:51:36,927 --> 00:51:40,497 willing to take if this is what you really want. 971 00:51:40,497 --> 00:51:43,533 'Cause a lot of this comes with being transgender, 972 00:51:43,533 --> 00:51:45,502 comes with the risk of being judged. 973 00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:50,006 Thus far, I haven't been judged negatively. 974 00:51:50,006 --> 00:51:51,241 I've had a lot of people like, 975 00:51:51,241 --> 00:51:53,376 "Oh, but you make such a pretty girl." 976 00:51:53,376 --> 00:51:57,347 And I'm like, "But I also make a pretty man." 977 00:51:58,515 --> 00:52:00,584 Then they have this weird, puffy heater. 978 00:52:02,385 --> 00:52:05,055 So, waiting to see the surgeon 979 00:52:05,055 --> 00:52:07,624 and get everything sorted out. 980 00:52:07,624 --> 00:52:09,359 - It wasn't that much longer after that, 981 00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:10,727 that they took him into surgery. 982 00:52:10,727 --> 00:52:12,462 And then it hit me like a ton of bricks 983 00:52:12,462 --> 00:52:14,064 when it had just happened. 984 00:52:15,565 --> 00:52:18,635 Taking a deep breath, he's just gone into surgery. 985 00:52:18,635 --> 00:52:20,704 So I'll let you know how it went. 986 00:52:22,072 --> 00:52:24,374 When the surgery had happened and Krow stayed overnight 987 00:52:24,374 --> 00:52:27,577 at the hospital and I went home. 988 00:52:27,577 --> 00:52:30,647 And I didn't have to be on for him. 989 00:52:30,647 --> 00:52:33,550 I didn't have to be making sure he was okay. 990 00:52:33,550 --> 00:52:35,719 I didn't have to do all of these things. 991 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:36,553 Here come the tears. 992 00:52:39,456 --> 00:52:42,692 I sat back and poured myself a drink. 993 00:52:45,428 --> 00:52:47,130 And I said goodbye to my daughter. 994 00:52:48,131 --> 00:52:51,101 (soft piano music) 995 00:53:06,483 --> 00:53:08,485 And then I poured myself a second drink. 996 00:53:08,485 --> 00:53:09,719 I said hello to my son. 997 00:53:12,322 --> 00:53:13,123 for a few hours now. ve be 998 00:53:16,092 --> 00:53:19,296 And yeah, everything's been good. 999 00:53:19,296 --> 00:53:20,864 - He did just fine, the doctor said. 1000 00:53:20,864 --> 00:53:23,266 The surgeon said that everything went really, 1001 00:53:23,266 --> 00:53:25,368 really, really textbook. 1002 00:53:25,368 --> 00:53:27,938 - [Krow] So yeah, it's been really good. 1003 00:53:27,938 --> 00:53:30,473 And they just do those three small incisions 1004 00:53:30,473 --> 00:53:32,809 and they can take out an entire organ. 1005 00:53:34,044 --> 00:53:35,845 Plus the little side extras. 1006 00:53:37,314 --> 00:53:39,816 - We'd even talked a little bit about maybe saving eggs 1007 00:53:39,816 --> 00:53:43,653 and maybe in the future and doing all of these things. 1008 00:53:43,653 --> 00:53:47,524 And the reality is, is that neither one of us 1009 00:53:47,524 --> 00:53:51,328 is that important that it is a bloodline going on. 1010 00:53:52,662 --> 00:53:55,832 If Kian is in the position that he finds a man 1011 00:53:55,832 --> 00:53:59,169 that he loves and wants to marry and they wanna raise 1012 00:53:59,169 --> 00:54:01,037 a family and they adopt kids, 1013 00:54:01,037 --> 00:54:04,174 or maybe his husband to be has their own children, 1014 00:54:04,174 --> 00:54:05,575 or has his own children. 1015 00:54:05,575 --> 00:54:06,743 Who knows? 1016 00:54:06,743 --> 00:54:08,712 - Oh, she'll be happy if I adopt, 1017 00:54:08,712 --> 00:54:11,181 because then she can have like cute Korean 1018 00:54:11,181 --> 00:54:14,217 or Japanese grandson. (laughs) 1019 00:54:15,752 --> 00:54:17,854 That's one of the things that even when I was modeling, 1020 00:54:17,854 --> 00:54:19,889 and I was like, "Oh my God, look at all these 1021 00:54:19,889 --> 00:54:21,558 beautiful Korean stars." 1022 00:54:21,558 --> 00:54:23,893 And she was like, "Well, I'm gonna have it. 1023 00:54:23,893 --> 00:54:27,030 I'm gonna have a Japanese or Korean grandson, aren't I?" 1024 00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:31,901 I'm like, "Probably, but might not be from me." (laughs) 1025 00:54:33,370 --> 00:54:34,704 - There's no regrets. 1026 00:54:34,704 --> 00:54:37,240 This is the right thing to do for him. 1027 00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:40,677 There's no doubt in my mind. 1028 00:54:40,677 --> 00:54:42,078 I think he's doing the right thing. 1029 00:54:42,078 --> 00:54:45,515 I've never seen my kid so happy, so relaxed, 1030 00:54:47,017 --> 00:54:49,853 so comfortable in his own skin as he is right now. 1031 00:54:49,853 --> 00:54:52,255 And each one of these steps is just making that 1032 00:54:52,255 --> 00:54:55,225 happen even more so, yeah. 1033 00:54:55,225 --> 00:54:57,761 It's, you know, you do what you do for your kid, right? 1034 00:55:02,098 --> 00:55:04,934 (soft guitar music) 1035 00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:09,906 - A lot of the songs we write are about, 1036 00:55:09,906 --> 00:55:13,576 let's say love and loss, struggle, overcoming struggle. 1037 00:55:13,576 --> 00:55:17,747 And in the end, just kind of finding a peace. 1038 00:55:17,747 --> 00:55:21,751 ♪ Go to sleep with a restless mind ♪ 1039 00:55:21,751 --> 00:55:25,755 ♪ Broken thoughts keep wasting my time, ♪ 1040 00:55:25,755 --> 00:55:30,060 ♪ Hold my head and I drink instead ♪ 1041 00:55:30,060 --> 00:55:34,931 ♪ Blur the visions of you in my head ♪ 1042 00:55:36,299 --> 00:55:37,500 - [Emily] That's a big thing for us 1043 00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:38,802 is to just get our music out there, 1044 00:55:38,802 --> 00:55:40,670 really share our stories with them 1045 00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:44,107 because I don't think that we're alone in how we feel. 1046 00:55:44,107 --> 00:55:46,776 Our songs are really a story about those things. 1047 00:55:46,776 --> 00:55:49,346 So I think that it could connect with a lot of people 1048 00:55:49,346 --> 00:55:51,181 and make an impact in some way. 1049 00:55:51,181 --> 00:55:54,484 ♪ Promises and empty eyes 1050 00:55:54,484 --> 00:55:59,422 ♪ We like to think we were just killing time ♪ 1051 00:56:06,162 --> 00:56:09,199 ♪ When I get over you 1052 00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:14,304 ♪ I will pretend we're better off instead ♪ 1053 00:56:15,038 --> 00:56:17,607 (soft guitar music) 1054 00:56:27,550 --> 00:56:28,818 - [Kas] The minute I saw Emily, 1055 00:56:28,818 --> 00:56:32,622 I just knew that this person was different. 1056 00:56:32,622 --> 00:56:35,158 It was like love at first sight. 1057 00:56:35,158 --> 00:56:36,393 - I can't really explain it. 1058 00:56:36,393 --> 00:56:38,328 We were just drawn to each other. 1059 00:56:38,328 --> 00:56:41,131 I have no words to explain it. 1060 00:56:41,131 --> 00:56:43,533 It's just honestly kind of like magnets. 1061 00:56:43,533 --> 00:56:45,702 - I walked in and I was just like, speechless. 1062 00:56:45,702 --> 00:56:49,672 - He like, walks in, doesn't talk to me at all. 1063 00:56:49,672 --> 00:56:51,141 - Because I mean, you think like, 1064 00:56:51,141 --> 00:56:53,176 "Beautiful girl, I'm making an ass out of myself, 1065 00:56:53,176 --> 00:56:54,511 I need to leave." 1066 00:56:54,511 --> 00:56:56,212 And Emily thought I hated her. 1067 00:56:56,212 --> 00:57:00,917 - I thought that he was either really shy or hated my guts. 1068 00:57:00,917 --> 00:57:02,051 - I thought she thought I was an idiot. 1069 00:57:02,051 --> 00:57:04,554 And I was trying to not, you know, 1070 00:57:04,554 --> 00:57:05,922 progress further down that road. 1071 00:57:05,922 --> 00:57:08,391 - For the first two months that I knew him, 1072 00:57:08,391 --> 00:57:11,027 he would barely speak to me. 1073 00:57:11,027 --> 00:57:14,564 - And our first conversation that we just kind of 1074 00:57:14,564 --> 00:57:16,566 really clicked was we were at a party 1075 00:57:16,566 --> 00:57:19,035 and we both happened to be there. 1076 00:57:19,035 --> 00:57:21,871 And we just had this like long conversation about stars. 1077 00:57:21,871 --> 00:57:23,907 - We were talking about the stars or something. 1078 00:57:23,907 --> 00:57:26,543 And that was the first time we had ever had a conversation. 1079 00:57:26,543 --> 00:57:28,278 And that was the first time he would ever 1080 00:57:28,278 --> 00:57:30,246 actually like, speak to me. 1081 00:57:30,246 --> 00:57:31,414 And then after that, 1082 00:57:31,414 --> 00:57:33,416 we just kind of became inseparable. 1083 00:57:33,416 --> 00:57:34,884 - But after that conversation we clicked 1084 00:57:34,884 --> 00:57:36,352 and then we just had a ton in common 1085 00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:39,088 and we were just kind of finishing each other's sentences. 1086 00:57:39,088 --> 00:57:42,058 - Yeah, it was then that we kind of just 1087 00:57:42,058 --> 00:57:45,562 moved into a relationship and it felt exactly 1088 00:57:45,562 --> 00:57:46,830 how it was supposed to go. 1089 00:57:49,465 --> 00:57:52,802 - [Kas] Well, the wedding will be backyard barbecue, 1090 00:57:52,802 --> 00:57:54,304 but still kind of traditional. 1091 00:57:54,304 --> 00:57:56,406 So we're gonna be having it on my parents' acreage 1092 00:57:56,406 --> 00:57:58,041 on Vancouver Island. 1093 00:57:58,041 --> 00:58:00,443 Just our family, our close family and our close friends. 1094 00:58:00,443 --> 00:58:03,813 ♪ I've always loved you 1095 00:58:03,813 --> 00:58:08,384 ♪ From the day we met 1096 00:58:08,384 --> 00:58:11,921 ♪ Your skin on mine darling 1097 00:58:11,921 --> 00:58:16,759 ♪ Something I can't forget 1098 00:58:16,759 --> 00:58:21,130 ♪ I'll always love you 1099 00:58:21,130 --> 00:58:24,834 ♪ Even as we grow old 1100 00:58:24,834 --> 00:58:29,906 ♪ Your eyes take me home 1101 00:58:30,673 --> 00:58:33,576 ♪ Hold me down slow 1102 00:58:39,849 --> 00:58:42,318 - [Kas] Emily knew I was trans from the very beginning, 1103 00:58:42,318 --> 00:58:43,987 obviously it has never interfered 1104 00:58:43,987 --> 00:58:45,588 with our relationship at all. 1105 00:58:47,023 --> 00:58:49,959 - I think he had a harder time with it than I did 1106 00:58:49,959 --> 00:58:51,628 in the beginning of our relationship, 1107 00:58:51,628 --> 00:58:53,963 'cause he was scared that I would leave. 1108 00:58:53,963 --> 00:58:57,000 And I think that had been some of his experiences, too, 1109 00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,304 previously, is that he was like often compared to being 1110 00:59:01,304 --> 00:59:02,505 not enough of a man. 1111 00:59:02,505 --> 00:59:05,441 And to me, he was perfect. 1112 00:59:05,441 --> 00:59:07,677 - [Kas] But I'm so fortunate that I have someone 1113 00:59:07,677 --> 00:59:10,146 who's so proud of the fact that I'm trans 1114 00:59:10,146 --> 00:59:13,550 and so proud of the fact that I am who I am. 1115 00:59:13,550 --> 00:59:15,218 And that does follow straight through 1116 00:59:15,218 --> 00:59:16,986 her entire family as well. 1117 00:59:16,986 --> 00:59:20,657 - Emily is totally in love with Kas. 1118 00:59:20,657 --> 00:59:23,993 When she met Kas she phoned us and she said, 1119 00:59:23,993 --> 00:59:26,896 "Mom, I met this guy and you're gonna totally, 1120 00:59:26,896 --> 00:59:28,231 totally fall in love with him. 1121 00:59:28,231 --> 00:59:31,834 And I've never felt like I could be 1122 00:59:31,834 --> 00:59:36,806 more me with anybody." 1123 00:59:38,875 --> 00:59:40,677 - [Emily] My family was ecstatic. 1124 00:59:41,711 --> 00:59:44,647 My mom, she loves him so much. 1125 00:59:44,647 --> 00:59:46,583 Like, sometimes I think even more than me. 1126 00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:48,051 So it's just... 1127 00:59:48,051 --> 00:59:49,519 - I love Kas. 1128 00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:50,853 - So do I. 1129 00:59:50,853 --> 00:59:52,055 I have nothing but respect for the man. 1130 00:59:53,489 --> 00:59:57,994 He's a wonderful person and I can't ask for anymore. 1131 01:00:00,029 --> 01:00:02,198 - [Officiant] Will you give your children your blessing? 1132 01:00:02,198 --> 01:00:03,232 - Yes. 1133 01:00:03,232 --> 01:00:05,368 - [Officiant] Awesome. Thank you. 1134 01:00:05,368 --> 01:00:10,206 You may use...(group laughs) 1135 01:00:11,841 --> 01:00:13,209 Family is really important to both Emily and Kas. 1136 01:00:14,610 --> 01:00:16,179 (dog barks) 1137 01:00:16,179 --> 01:00:17,380 (group laughs) 1138 01:00:17,380 --> 01:00:18,982 Yes, and you're family too. 1139 01:00:20,183 --> 01:00:23,019 And join your left hands and arms together 1140 01:00:23,019 --> 01:00:26,222 so that your wrists and pulses are touching. 1141 01:00:26,222 --> 01:00:28,024 - [Michael] When Emily came along and fell in love 1142 01:00:28,024 --> 01:00:30,960 with my son, I was so proud and thrilled 1143 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,063 that my one concern I had was that he'd found somebody 1144 01:00:34,063 --> 01:00:37,567 to love him as a human being, as a man that he is. 1145 01:00:37,567 --> 01:00:39,902 I'm so proud of him. 1146 01:00:39,902 --> 01:00:43,706 It's just, I need to understand him, 1147 01:00:44,907 --> 01:00:48,411 what he went through, and I don't understand. 1148 01:00:48,411 --> 01:00:51,614 And honestly we need to talk and talk lots, he and I, 1149 01:00:51,614 --> 01:00:52,915 about his experience. 1150 01:00:52,915 --> 01:00:54,717 I wanna listen to him, everything, 1151 01:00:54,717 --> 01:00:56,619 the whole journey he went through. 1152 01:00:58,087 --> 01:01:01,090 For me anyway, it's a continuing education on transgender. 1153 01:01:01,090 --> 01:01:02,725 Whatever happens in the future, 1154 01:01:02,725 --> 01:01:04,227 we're gonna be there for our kids. 1155 01:01:04,227 --> 01:01:09,065 And that's, as far as we are concerned, is all that counts. 1156 01:01:10,566 --> 01:01:11,934 - You make me happier than I ever thought I could be. 1157 01:01:11,934 --> 01:01:14,103 And I will spend the rest of my life 1158 01:01:14,103 --> 01:01:16,806 trying to make you feel the same way. 1159 01:01:16,806 --> 01:01:19,475 - [Emily] Kas, I vow to always have your back, 1160 01:01:19,475 --> 01:01:21,944 to each day, show you how much I love you. 1161 01:01:21,944 --> 01:01:24,447 I vow always be your best friend, partner, 1162 01:01:24,447 --> 01:01:26,582 and number one supporter. 1163 01:01:26,582 --> 01:01:29,318 No matter what life throws our way, I will always be yours. 1164 01:01:32,422 --> 01:01:35,091 - [Officiant] Emily and Kas, it is my honor 1165 01:01:35,091 --> 01:01:38,294 and absolute delight to now pronounce you 1166 01:01:38,294 --> 01:01:39,595 officially married. 1167 01:01:39,595 --> 01:01:40,530 (group cheers) 1168 01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:41,297 Begin it now with a kiss. 1169 01:01:45,301 --> 01:01:47,937 (group applauds) 1170 01:01:49,305 --> 01:01:54,110 ♪ Hold me down slow 1171 01:01:54,877 --> 01:01:59,348 ♪ Hold me down slow 1172 01:02:00,349 --> 01:02:04,954 ♪ Hold me down slow 1173 01:02:05,788 --> 01:02:08,691 ♪ Hold me down slow 1174 01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:19,969 (soft vocalizing) 1175 01:02:33,049 --> 01:02:35,518 - [Krow] When I had my chest surgery, 1176 01:02:35,518 --> 01:02:38,054 when it kept getting rescheduled, and rescheduled, 1177 01:02:38,054 --> 01:02:42,125 and rescheduled, it was to the point that I was like, 1178 01:02:44,494 --> 01:02:46,662 "If I don't get this done before my birthday, 1179 01:02:46,662 --> 01:02:48,097 I'm just gonna take..." 1180 01:02:48,097 --> 01:02:50,900 I'm just like in such a frantic state that I'm just gonna 1181 01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:53,236 take a knife to my chest and just do it myself, 1182 01:02:53,236 --> 01:02:56,372 and have the hospital deal with whatever repercussions. 1183 01:02:56,372 --> 01:02:58,241 - You don't wanna let things get out of control, 1184 01:02:58,241 --> 01:02:59,408 'cause then you have to take more. 1185 01:02:59,408 --> 01:03:02,245 And then the flip side you don't wanna... 1186 01:03:03,446 --> 01:03:05,715 - [Krow] So it was very taxing for me 1187 01:03:05,715 --> 01:03:10,553 to have to deal with such intense body dysphoria 1188 01:03:10,553 --> 01:03:15,324 and hating myself physically for such a long time. 1189 01:03:18,728 --> 01:03:21,531 And then having it be so close that I can make a change 1190 01:03:21,531 --> 01:03:23,266 and then having it be taken away from me 1191 01:03:23,266 --> 01:03:25,802 and taken away from me over and over again. 1192 01:03:25,802 --> 01:03:28,437 - For some reason, something seems like really lopsided 1193 01:03:28,437 --> 01:03:29,772 than everything else. 1194 01:03:33,276 --> 01:03:35,545 - [Krow] So yeah, I just, I definitely got into some 1195 01:03:35,545 --> 01:03:40,249 bad head spaces in between, but was able to pull through it. 1196 01:03:40,249 --> 01:03:41,717 Now this is the real mushroom hair. 1197 01:03:41,717 --> 01:03:42,418 Bye, Mom. 1198 01:03:45,888 --> 01:03:48,758 (soft vocalizing) 1199 01:04:12,782 --> 01:04:15,952 (vocalizing continues) 1200 01:04:40,876 --> 01:04:41,711 Hey, look at you! 1201 01:04:41,711 --> 01:04:43,212 - How's it going? 1202 01:04:43,212 --> 01:04:45,948 - Got a new haircut since the last I saw you. 1203 01:04:45,948 --> 01:04:46,816 Good to see you again. 1204 01:04:46,816 --> 01:04:47,884 - Nice to you too. 1205 01:04:47,884 --> 01:04:48,784 How was it? 1206 01:04:48,784 --> 01:04:50,319 - It was good. 1207 01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:53,022 I had to like reschedule 'cause I got an infection. 1208 01:04:53,022 --> 01:04:55,291 So that was really annoying to deal with. 1209 01:04:55,291 --> 01:04:56,659 - [Kas] You've waited long enough. 1210 01:04:56,659 --> 01:04:58,194 - Exactly. 1211 01:04:58,194 --> 01:04:59,629 - There's an emergency all of a sudden you're like, 1212 01:04:59,629 --> 01:05:01,030 "That can't...like, I've already got my hopes set on this." 1213 01:05:01,030 --> 01:05:03,566 - It's been two years, let me have it. 1214 01:05:03,566 --> 01:05:05,334 - Like, how was it when the bandages came off 1215 01:05:05,334 --> 01:05:07,670 and you saw your chest for the first time? 1216 01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:08,537 Amazing? 1217 01:05:08,537 --> 01:05:09,905 - Good. Yeah. 1218 01:05:09,905 --> 01:05:11,874 I mean, I still have like a tiny hole in my nipple 1219 01:05:11,874 --> 01:05:14,243 'cause the stitch like healed funny 1220 01:05:14,243 --> 01:05:15,711 and then it was stuck in there. 1221 01:05:15,711 --> 01:05:19,715 So I had to like get tweezers and take it out, yeah. 1222 01:05:19,715 --> 01:05:20,916 - [Kas] That sounds awkward. 1223 01:05:20,916 --> 01:05:22,418 You don't have any other scars, like? 1224 01:05:22,418 --> 01:05:25,521 - No, well aside I think that the scars from the tubes, 1225 01:05:25,521 --> 01:05:27,523 so drainage tubes, those are probably gonna be like, 1226 01:05:27,523 --> 01:05:29,558 more scar than nipples themselves. 1227 01:05:29,558 --> 01:05:32,228 So, you know, so yeah. 1228 01:05:32,228 --> 01:05:35,364 How did you feel after your whole surgery situation? 1229 01:05:37,667 --> 01:05:42,605 - (chuckles) I think I'm stronger also personally 1230 01:05:42,605 --> 01:05:45,541 and like emotionally after having endured it. 1231 01:05:45,541 --> 01:05:50,346 It was part of the process to get to feeling great, right? 1232 01:05:51,547 --> 01:05:52,415 But I don't regret a single second of it. 1233 01:05:53,883 --> 01:05:55,384 - [Krow] Yeah, it's hard to regret something that like 1234 01:05:55,384 --> 01:05:57,219 has such a positive impact on your life 1235 01:05:57,219 --> 01:05:58,454 - Yeah, that changes your life long-term. 1236 01:05:58,454 --> 01:06:01,724 The small hardship for the long-term 1237 01:06:01,724 --> 01:06:02,892 gain and benefit, right? 1238 01:06:02,892 --> 01:06:03,592 - [Krow] Oh yeah. 1239 01:06:05,594 --> 01:06:09,932 (soft vocalizing and guitar music) 1240 01:06:43,733 --> 01:06:46,435 This is coming up to almost three years 1241 01:06:46,435 --> 01:06:48,270 since I started testosterone, 1242 01:06:48,270 --> 01:06:50,606 but definitely three years since I decided 1243 01:06:50,606 --> 01:06:54,010 to start transitioning and just kind of go for it. 1244 01:06:54,010 --> 01:06:57,513 And I can definitely see a large improvement in my life 1245 01:06:57,513 --> 01:06:59,949 and how I'm feeling, how I feel about 1246 01:06:59,949 --> 01:07:01,283 how other people perceive me, 1247 01:07:01,283 --> 01:07:04,987 and just generally living as a guy. 1248 01:07:04,987 --> 01:07:06,088 Hey. 1249 01:07:06,088 --> 01:07:07,790 - [Dexter] Hey, there he is. 1250 01:07:07,790 --> 01:07:08,624 - [Lacey] How are you? 1251 01:07:08,624 --> 01:07:09,325 - Doing good. 1252 01:07:09,325 --> 01:07:10,860 - It's good to see you. 1253 01:07:10,860 --> 01:07:13,162 - [Krow] I definitely view myself as just a gay man 1254 01:07:13,162 --> 01:07:17,099 able to do or wear whatever is obviously 1255 01:07:17,099 --> 01:07:18,601 like, socially acceptable. 1256 01:07:18,601 --> 01:07:21,637 But I think that it comes more from a confidence 1257 01:07:21,637 --> 01:07:25,441 of being who I am and comfortable with who I am 1258 01:07:25,441 --> 01:07:28,544 and who I'm presenting as, versus before, 1259 01:07:28,544 --> 01:07:32,848 where I would be very like afraid to be seen a certain way 1260 01:07:32,848 --> 01:07:34,683 or thought of as a certain thing. 1261 01:07:36,385 --> 01:07:38,654 - The last time we were here was this exact same space. 1262 01:07:38,654 --> 01:07:40,856 That was about two and a half years ago. 1263 01:07:40,856 --> 01:07:43,059 I wanted to continue, you know, 1264 01:07:43,059 --> 01:07:44,393 something a little bit different. 1265 01:07:44,393 --> 01:07:45,394 - Sweet. 1266 01:07:45,394 --> 01:07:46,629 - [Dexter] Let's go take a look. 1267 01:07:46,629 --> 01:07:47,997 How have you been? - [Krow] Doing good. 1268 01:07:47,997 --> 01:07:49,498 - You better put on some weight. 1269 01:07:49,498 --> 01:07:52,034 - I'm attempting, slowly but surely. 1270 01:07:53,502 --> 01:07:55,137 - [Lacey] So I really kind of wanted to do more 1271 01:07:55,137 --> 01:07:56,972 of the street kind of vibe. 1272 01:07:56,972 --> 01:08:00,009 'Cause I think you have a really good look to pull that off. 1273 01:08:00,009 --> 01:08:01,077 - What do you think? 1274 01:08:01,077 --> 01:08:02,178 - New and fresh? 1275 01:08:02,178 --> 01:08:03,512 - Yeah. - Absolutely. 1276 01:08:03,512 --> 01:08:04,647 Well, something that you know we've done before, 1277 01:08:04,647 --> 01:08:06,849 but now in, you know, now we're doing it 1278 01:08:06,849 --> 01:08:08,150 with a whole new set of clothes. 1279 01:08:12,221 --> 01:08:13,989 and we'll get that out of you today. 1280 01:08:13,989 --> 01:08:15,391 - Oh, hell yeah. 1281 01:08:15,391 --> 01:08:16,525 - I feel like it's based around you a little bit. 1282 01:08:16,525 --> 01:08:18,194 'Cause you have a really cool, unique style. 1283 01:08:18,194 --> 01:08:19,695 - Thank you. 1284 01:08:19,695 --> 01:08:20,596 - [Lacey] And I think you can pull all this off. 1285 01:08:20,596 --> 01:08:23,065 Really cool pants. 1286 01:08:23,065 --> 01:08:24,700 - Oh yeah. I got the white jeans. 1287 01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:26,702 (both laugh) 1288 01:08:26,702 --> 01:08:28,871 - [Lacey] Yeah, that's kind of what I'm aiming for. 1289 01:08:28,871 --> 01:08:30,539 Awesome. 1290 01:08:30,539 --> 01:08:32,908 - So the biggest change that I noticed from the last time 1291 01:08:32,908 --> 01:08:35,945 we worked together is how happy you look. 1292 01:08:35,945 --> 01:08:40,716 You are radiating happiness and confidence. 1293 01:08:40,716 --> 01:08:43,219 It really, really shows and it's very nice to see. 1294 01:08:50,059 --> 01:08:51,794 - If he stands up straight. 1295 01:08:51,794 --> 01:08:54,563 If he stands up straight, this'll be cut off. 1296 01:08:54,563 --> 01:08:57,900 So now you have her to not piss off. 1297 01:08:57,900 --> 01:08:59,969 (laughs) 1298 01:08:59,969 --> 01:09:01,237 That's what you gotta do. 1299 01:09:02,738 --> 01:09:03,806 - Yo, yo yo. 1300 01:09:03,806 --> 01:09:05,708 - [Dexter] Think about it in a very like, 1301 01:09:05,708 --> 01:09:08,711 "I don't give a shit" kind of look. 1302 01:09:08,711 --> 01:09:10,779 It's not about, you know, looking pretty 1303 01:09:10,779 --> 01:09:12,081 and that sort of thing. 1304 01:09:14,250 --> 01:09:16,318 Have this out. - Lean back. 1305 01:09:16,318 --> 01:09:18,220 Yeah, lean back. 1306 01:09:18,220 --> 01:09:19,655 Do these kinds of movements. 1307 01:09:19,655 --> 01:09:21,824 And you can even give me profile. 1308 01:09:21,824 --> 01:09:23,926 You don't have to look at the camera every time, 1309 01:09:23,926 --> 01:09:27,096 but just make this be, you know, an exercise for you 1310 01:09:27,096 --> 01:09:30,266 to just try and move just like you did before. 1311 01:09:30,266 --> 01:09:31,567 But now it's a, you know... 1312 01:09:31,567 --> 01:09:32,935 - Now I feel a kind of male side. 1313 01:09:32,935 --> 01:09:34,136 - [Dexter] Yeah. - Yeah. 1314 01:09:35,971 --> 01:09:38,474 - [Dexter] You know it. 1315 01:09:38,474 --> 01:09:39,642 All right, here we go. 1316 01:09:40,676 --> 01:09:41,544 Okay. Good. 1317 01:09:42,611 --> 01:09:44,713 Keep moving, you're good. 1318 01:09:46,115 --> 01:09:47,416 Pissed off, like that. 1319 01:09:49,118 --> 01:09:49,952 Are these working? 1320 01:09:49,952 --> 01:09:50,819 - [Sonia] Dexter... 1321 01:09:50,819 --> 01:09:51,854 - [Lacey] Amazing. 1322 01:09:51,854 --> 01:09:54,189 - [Sonia] Your first shot, as always. 1323 01:09:54,189 --> 01:09:55,157 Look at your first time. 1324 01:09:55,157 --> 01:09:55,958 - [Dexter] First frame wonder? 1325 01:09:55,958 --> 01:09:56,859 - What's the first shot? 1326 01:09:56,859 --> 01:09:58,194 - [Dexter] God damn you! 1327 01:09:58,194 --> 01:10:00,729 (group laughs) 1328 01:10:04,366 --> 01:10:06,602 See? Great shot. 1329 01:10:07,970 --> 01:10:08,971 - [Sonia] That is so good. 1330 01:10:08,971 --> 01:10:10,206 - [Krow] Looks great. 1331 01:10:10,206 --> 01:10:11,607 Oh yeah. 1332 01:10:11,607 --> 01:10:13,208 - Okay, well let's all go home now. 1333 01:10:13,208 --> 01:10:14,276 (group laughs) 1334 01:10:14,276 --> 01:10:15,377 - [Lacey] Done and done. 1335 01:10:15,377 --> 01:10:17,012 - That looks fantastic. 1336 01:10:17,012 --> 01:10:18,981 Wow, what an amazing day. 1337 01:10:18,981 --> 01:10:20,482 An amazing day. 1338 01:10:20,482 --> 01:10:23,652 It was fantastic that right off the first frame 1339 01:10:23,652 --> 01:10:25,521 we got the attitude and that set the tone 1340 01:10:25,521 --> 01:10:26,855 for the entire day. 1341 01:10:29,959 --> 01:10:32,328 He was willing to unlearn some of the things 1342 01:10:32,328 --> 01:10:34,196 that I was already catching him doing. 1343 01:10:35,564 --> 01:10:38,467 He knew that he had to unlearn a lot of those things. 1344 01:10:38,467 --> 01:10:41,170 So he was very willing now that he's going after 1345 01:10:41,170 --> 01:10:42,471 the male model market. 1346 01:10:44,673 --> 01:10:46,508 Toward the end, it was effortless. 1347 01:10:46,508 --> 01:10:48,744 At the end he knew what he had to do. 1348 01:10:48,744 --> 01:10:50,646 He was more conscious with it this time. 1349 01:10:51,747 --> 01:10:53,716 And I think that was the breakthrough. 1350 01:10:56,852 --> 01:10:57,553 All right, ready? 1351 01:10:57,553 --> 01:10:58,487 One, two, three, go. 1352 01:10:59,688 --> 01:11:03,058 There was a lot riding on this production. 1353 01:11:03,058 --> 01:11:05,527 These shots were crucial. 1354 01:11:05,527 --> 01:11:07,896 There had to be something that would... 1355 01:11:07,896 --> 01:11:09,098 Actually, I like that. 1356 01:11:09,098 --> 01:11:10,532 Look down, look down, look down, look down. 1357 01:11:10,532 --> 01:11:12,334 That would really show his range. 1358 01:11:16,705 --> 01:11:20,109 Now you'll just be able to just turn this on and off, right? 1359 01:11:20,109 --> 01:11:21,577 - [Krow] Yeah. 1360 01:11:21,577 --> 01:11:23,512 - And your value, you know, in that, in that sense 1361 01:11:23,512 --> 01:11:24,713 will just skyrocket. 1362 01:11:31,553 --> 01:11:34,456 This is a beautiful, cohesive story 1363 01:11:34,456 --> 01:11:36,292 all put together. 1364 01:11:36,292 --> 01:11:37,793 Look at this, the steps that you've made. 1365 01:11:37,793 --> 01:11:40,296 This is all outside your comfort zone. 1366 01:11:40,296 --> 01:11:41,397 Look at you. 1367 01:11:41,397 --> 01:11:42,698 (laughs) 1368 01:11:42,698 --> 01:11:43,632 What do you think, Mom? - [Lisa] I love it. 1369 01:11:43,632 --> 01:11:44,500 - I absolutely love it, yeah. 1370 01:11:45,768 --> 01:11:48,304 - [Dexter] I think we accomplished a great deal here. 1371 01:11:48,304 --> 01:11:50,406 This is exactly what I had in mind, 1372 01:11:50,406 --> 01:11:51,540 but it's even better. 1373 01:11:51,540 --> 01:11:52,541 - I'm glad I could deliver. 1374 01:11:52,541 --> 01:11:54,443 - Yeah. Oh, this is fantastic. 1375 01:11:54,443 --> 01:11:57,780 I think we got a lot of great stuff, right? 1376 01:11:57,780 --> 01:11:59,114 So good job. 1377 01:11:59,114 --> 01:12:00,082 - Thank you so much. Fantastic work everybody. 1378 01:12:00,082 --> 01:12:00,949 (group claps) 1379 01:12:00,949 --> 01:12:01,817 - Thank you everyone. 1380 01:12:01,817 --> 01:12:04,253 - Yep. That's a wrap. Well done. 1381 01:12:04,253 --> 01:12:05,254 - [Krow] Thank you. - Fantastic. 1382 01:12:05,254 --> 01:12:06,689 - [Krow] My happiness scale... 1383 01:12:08,924 --> 01:12:12,728 If I was at a two in happiness before, 1384 01:12:16,598 --> 01:12:21,103 I'm probably at like a 25 out of 10. (laughs) 1385 01:12:21,103 --> 01:12:21,870 So... 1386 01:12:28,277 --> 01:12:31,080 (mellow R&B music) 1387 01:12:54,703 --> 01:12:55,971 - Hi. 1388 01:12:55,971 --> 01:12:57,039 - I'm Krow. 1389 01:12:57,039 --> 01:12:58,974 - Lovely to meet you, I'm Liz Bell. 1390 01:12:58,974 --> 01:12:59,842 Come on through. 1391 01:13:01,810 --> 01:13:05,614 I wanted to meet you because I have a great request 1392 01:13:05,614 --> 01:13:08,684 for an incredible show in Paris, 1393 01:13:08,684 --> 01:13:13,622 looking for trans men for their actually, 1394 01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:15,124 their women's show. 1395 01:13:16,225 --> 01:13:20,829 So they want a trans boy who is transitioning. 1396 01:13:20,829 --> 01:13:23,332 I know you've finished with your transition, 1397 01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:27,736 to wear men's clothes in the women's show. 1398 01:13:27,736 --> 01:13:28,504 - Nice. 1399 01:13:34,143 --> 01:13:35,811 - [Liz] Okay, so we're gonna head this way. 1400 01:13:35,811 --> 01:13:37,846 We'll start off by doing the digitals. 1401 01:13:37,846 --> 01:13:40,849 They wanna see you just the way you are 1402 01:13:40,849 --> 01:13:43,519 and then we'll do a walking video. 1403 01:13:43,519 --> 01:13:45,654 So we're gonna start over here. 1404 01:13:46,855 --> 01:13:48,857 You've been doing this a long time? 1405 01:13:48,857 --> 01:13:49,591 - Mhm. 1406 01:13:49,591 --> 01:13:50,893 - [Liz] You're seasoned. 1407 01:13:50,893 --> 01:13:51,593 - [Krow] Yeah. 1408 01:13:51,593 --> 01:13:52,494 - [Liz] Which is great. 1409 01:13:57,499 --> 01:13:59,067 This tank works so well. 1410 01:14:05,107 --> 01:14:06,675 - Oh, yes, lucky boy. 1411 01:14:06,675 --> 01:14:07,709 - Yeah, you see what I mean? 1412 01:14:07,709 --> 01:14:08,544 Isn't that perfect? - Yeah. 1413 01:14:19,221 --> 01:14:20,389 - [Lisa] Bam, bam, bam. 1414 01:14:20,389 --> 01:14:21,223 Think in your head. 1415 01:14:21,223 --> 01:14:22,524 Bam, bam, bam. 1416 01:14:22,524 --> 01:14:25,427 All the way down, strong and fast, okay? 1417 01:14:29,598 --> 01:14:31,633 What's gonna happen moving forward 1418 01:14:31,633 --> 01:14:33,569 is I'm gonna put together this material 1419 01:14:33,569 --> 01:14:35,103 and send it to the casting director. 1420 01:14:36,371 --> 01:14:37,940 Okay. Let's see. 1421 01:14:37,940 --> 01:14:38,707 - All right. 1422 01:14:40,142 --> 01:14:45,080 Hopefully they want to option you. 1423 01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:45,914 - [Krow] Sweet. 1424 01:14:45,914 --> 01:14:47,749 - [Liz] Sweet. That's perfect. 1425 01:14:47,749 --> 01:14:49,251 It's such a pleasure meeting you. 1426 01:14:49,251 --> 01:14:54,089 And I would love to represent you as a model in Vancouver. 1427 01:14:55,557 --> 01:14:56,592 I'll be your mother agent and place you around the world 1428 01:14:56,592 --> 01:14:57,726 and all that kind of stuff. 1429 01:14:57,726 --> 01:14:58,660 How does that sound to you? 1430 01:14:58,660 --> 01:14:59,928 - That sounds great. 1431 01:14:59,928 --> 01:15:00,762 - Fabulous. 1432 01:15:00,762 --> 01:15:01,997 Welcome to Liz Bell. 1433 01:15:01,997 --> 01:15:04,867 - Thank you very much. (laughs) 1434 01:15:21,683 --> 01:15:23,151 I'd like to thank my mom. 1435 01:15:24,620 --> 01:15:27,256 We were always very close, even before I transitioned. 1436 01:15:27,256 --> 01:15:30,926 So having her support there, like, really means a lot to me. 1437 01:15:30,926 --> 01:15:34,263 - This is the start of a whole brand new career for you. 1438 01:15:34,263 --> 01:15:34,963 And Paris. 1439 01:15:37,032 --> 01:15:39,134 So you be safe, you have fun. 1440 01:15:39,134 --> 01:15:41,103 - [Krow] Yeah, it's been amazing having her in my life 1441 01:15:41,103 --> 01:15:43,372 and having her just be part of this whole process 1442 01:15:43,372 --> 01:15:44,640 and this whole transition. 1443 01:15:46,975 --> 01:15:49,077 Just loving me for who I am. 1444 01:15:51,380 --> 01:15:54,082 (soft vocalizing) 1445 01:15:55,984 --> 01:15:59,021 When I transitioned, I was doing it for me. 1446 01:15:59,021 --> 01:16:02,991 And that meant that if I had to cut people out of my life 1447 01:16:02,991 --> 01:16:05,861 so that I could survive, so that I could be happy 1448 01:16:05,861 --> 01:16:08,530 with my life, that's the decision I had to make. 1449 01:16:09,498 --> 01:16:11,166 It was a big decision. 1450 01:16:15,837 --> 01:16:19,207 (mellow electronic music) 1451 01:16:22,010 --> 01:16:25,514 I don't know if you can see in the very, very far corner 1452 01:16:25,514 --> 01:16:30,352 right over there, but yeah, that's the Eiffel Tower. 1453 01:16:30,352 --> 01:16:31,219 I'm in Paris. 1454 01:16:37,993 --> 01:16:40,395 Gonna do a little exploring around 1455 01:16:40,395 --> 01:16:43,231 and then I still have the casting to go to. 1456 01:16:44,866 --> 01:16:47,836 (music continues) 1457 01:16:59,281 --> 01:17:01,583 So I don't really have any anxieties about 1458 01:17:01,583 --> 01:17:03,719 trying to be a male model. 1459 01:17:04,886 --> 01:17:07,222 I don't know if it'll go well or not, 1460 01:17:07,222 --> 01:17:10,158 but still gonna go in and hope for the best. 1461 01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,196 - Hey, welcome to Paris. 1462 01:17:15,263 --> 01:17:15,931 - Great to see you. 1463 01:17:15,931 --> 01:17:17,265 - Oh, great to see you. 1464 01:17:17,265 --> 01:17:18,233 Your big day. 1465 01:17:18,233 --> 01:17:20,235 - I know, right? 1466 01:17:20,235 --> 01:17:24,039 - Yeah, like your first big thing as a male model. 1467 01:17:24,039 --> 01:17:25,440 Like, it can't get better. 1468 01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:27,242 Louis Vuitton, can you imagine? 1469 01:17:27,242 --> 01:17:30,379 They had let me know that you're gonna be doing 1470 01:17:30,379 --> 01:17:33,548 like makeup tests, hair tests, things like that, 1471 01:17:33,548 --> 01:17:35,083 and then looks. 1472 01:17:35,083 --> 01:17:36,952 And then you'll walk and show them. 1473 01:17:36,952 --> 01:17:40,956 So walk like with that power we talked about. 1474 01:17:40,956 --> 01:17:41,723 - Yeah. 1475 01:17:41,723 --> 01:17:42,758 - So we'll go in. 1476 01:17:42,758 --> 01:17:43,892 - [Krow] All right, sounds good. 1477 01:17:55,937 --> 01:18:00,509 So I went to the job interview and I got it. 1478 01:18:00,509 --> 01:18:05,147 I'm gonna be walking in Fashion Week for Louis Vuitton. 1479 01:18:06,481 --> 01:18:10,085 So yeah, like, wow! 1480 01:18:12,154 --> 01:18:15,023 I don't know how many other trans men are gonna be there. 1481 01:18:15,023 --> 01:18:18,326 So I could be one of a couple. 1482 01:18:18,326 --> 01:18:20,829 I could be just one. 1483 01:18:20,829 --> 01:18:23,832 I don't know yet. 1484 01:18:23,832 --> 01:18:26,468 When I was doing the rehearsal, actually, 1485 01:18:26,468 --> 01:18:29,471 it was funny 'cause they had us do it twice. 1486 01:18:29,471 --> 01:18:32,274 Once in the outfit and then before the hair and makeup 1487 01:18:32,274 --> 01:18:34,843 and then once after the hair and makeup. 1488 01:18:34,843 --> 01:18:36,511 And both times when I was doing the walk, 1489 01:18:36,511 --> 01:18:38,513 they were saying like, "Oh my God, amazing, 1490 01:18:38,513 --> 01:18:40,048 fabulous, fantastic." 1491 01:18:40,048 --> 01:18:41,550 Like, they were just like throwing out compliments 1492 01:18:41,550 --> 01:18:44,720 and I had to like maintain my neutral expression 1493 01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,455 and not smile. 1494 01:18:46,455 --> 01:18:49,324 But yeah, I was like, "Oh my God, I'm so glad they like it." 1495 01:18:52,060 --> 01:18:53,361 The last time that I walked, 1496 01:18:53,361 --> 01:18:55,564 I wasn't even 18 yet at that point. 1497 01:18:55,564 --> 01:18:58,333 And I'm 22, almost 23 now. 1498 01:18:58,333 --> 01:19:01,036 It's interesting being comfortable after three years 1499 01:19:01,036 --> 01:19:04,272 in this body, to be able to like move the right way. 1500 01:19:06,308 --> 01:19:07,843 Luckily I don't have to deal with heels. 1501 01:19:07,843 --> 01:19:11,847 So, thank God I'm not a female model right now. (laughs) 1502 01:19:17,752 --> 01:19:20,856 (bright vocal music) 1503 01:19:48,216 --> 01:19:51,219 Starting as a female model at 12 years old 1504 01:19:51,219 --> 01:19:55,423 and then stopping after just reaching 18, 1505 01:19:55,423 --> 01:19:58,360 and then being able to switch over and become a male model, 1506 01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:03,198 and have Louis Vuitton as my first like real job, 1507 01:20:03,198 --> 01:20:05,233 just like out there, amazing. 1508 01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,142 - [Reporter] Spike! Spike! 1509 01:20:14,142 --> 01:20:16,912 Look here for one minute, please. 1510 01:20:21,817 --> 01:20:24,786 (cameras snapping) 1511 01:20:25,754 --> 01:20:28,790 (paparazzi yelling) 1512 01:20:41,770 --> 01:20:45,307 (rhythmic electronic music) 1513 01:21:14,369 --> 01:21:15,770 The opportunity that this presents 1514 01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:17,639 and to be like that big of a bang 1515 01:21:17,639 --> 01:21:20,508 in the fashion world to start with, wow! 1516 01:21:22,043 --> 01:21:24,980 (music continues) 1517 01:21:32,887 --> 01:21:35,957 (audience applauds) 1518 01:21:39,828 --> 01:21:41,997 - [Model] I enjoy fashion. 1519 01:21:45,533 --> 01:21:47,302 - [Photographer] Thank you so much. 1520 01:21:50,005 --> 01:21:51,306 - [Krow] Whatever you wanna do, 1521 01:21:51,306 --> 01:21:53,174 it doesn't matter what your job is 1522 01:21:53,174 --> 01:21:55,310 or what your career path that you wanna take, 1523 01:21:55,310 --> 01:21:56,878 your gender doesn't matter. 1524 01:21:57,879 --> 01:21:59,514 You know, you can change over. 1525 01:21:59,514 --> 01:22:00,949 You can be in between. 1526 01:22:04,886 --> 01:22:07,489 So what I'd like to say to the transgender community 1527 01:22:07,489 --> 01:22:11,326 is that it doesn't matter whether you're male, 1528 01:22:16,064 --> 01:22:21,169 female, in between, you can make your dreams come true. 1529 01:22:23,605 --> 01:22:27,075 Just keep trying, never give up. (chuckles) 1530 01:22:27,075 --> 01:22:31,546 And you could be here doing this, doing whatever you want. 1531 01:22:40,422 --> 01:22:42,891 Oh... (laughs) 1532 01:22:45,393 --> 01:22:47,395 - [Liz] Jessica's gonna come and give you a hug. 1533 01:22:47,395 --> 01:22:49,264 - [Krow] Absolutely. (laughs) 1534 01:22:49,264 --> 01:22:50,065 - [Jessica] It's been a great pleasure 1535 01:22:50,065 --> 01:22:52,067 to work with you Krow. 1536 01:22:53,201 --> 01:22:55,036 You're so inspiring to all of us. 1537 01:22:55,036 --> 01:22:56,438 - [Krow] Thank you so much. 1538 01:22:56,438 --> 01:22:59,574 - Working with you, My first runway way with you, 1539 01:22:59,574 --> 01:23:01,476 it's been great. 1540 01:23:01,476 --> 01:23:03,645 You're so inspiring to me, really. 1541 01:23:03,645 --> 01:23:05,947 I hope that you get to be really happy, okay? 1542 01:23:05,947 --> 01:23:06,815 - [Krow] Thank you so much. 1543 01:23:06,815 --> 01:23:08,116 - Really. 1544 01:23:08,116 --> 01:23:09,984 I hope that we can work together later, okay? 1545 01:23:09,984 --> 01:23:11,720 - Absolutely. 1546 01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:13,121 And hey, maybe we'll walk on Men's Fashion Week together. 1547 01:23:13,121 --> 01:23:14,989 - Maybe we can walk on Men's Fashion together. 1548 01:23:14,989 --> 01:23:16,391 - Yeah. 1549 01:23:16,391 --> 01:23:17,292 - Maybe I will be a male, by then. 1550 01:23:17,292 --> 01:23:17,993 - Yeah! 1551 01:23:17,993 --> 01:23:19,461 Who knows, right? 1552 01:23:19,461 --> 01:23:20,295 - I know, right? 1553 01:23:20,295 --> 01:23:20,996 Oh man. 1554 01:23:20,996 --> 01:23:21,896 - I love you. 1555 01:23:21,896 --> 01:23:23,431 - Thank you so much. 1556 01:23:23,431 --> 01:23:26,001 - Keep on being so strong, you're a hope to everyone else. 1557 01:23:26,001 --> 01:23:28,636 Think about all the people who doesn't have that strength 1558 01:23:28,636 --> 01:23:32,474 to be free, doesn't have that strength 1559 01:23:32,474 --> 01:23:35,276 to just face everyone's opinion 1560 01:23:35,276 --> 01:23:39,014 and everyone's bad feelings about us. 1561 01:23:39,014 --> 01:23:40,315 We just need to be humans. 1562 01:23:40,315 --> 01:23:42,283 That's what we need to be. 1563 01:23:42,283 --> 01:23:45,453 Gender doesn't matter, we are all humans. 1564 01:23:45,453 --> 01:23:48,089 And you're so inspiring for all of us. 1565 01:23:48,089 --> 01:23:50,125 - [Krow] Thank you so much. 1566 01:23:50,125 --> 01:23:51,793 - Louis Vuitton is the best, right? 1567 01:23:51,793 --> 01:23:52,594 - [Krow] I know, right? 1568 01:23:52,594 --> 01:23:53,928 - It made us free. 1569 01:23:57,632 --> 01:24:02,570 for people like me, who's not yet in transition, 1570 01:24:03,438 --> 01:24:05,640 gives us a chance to be free. 1571 01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:06,441 And that's amazing. 1572 01:24:07,642 --> 01:24:08,943 - Awesome. 1573 01:24:09,477 --> 01:24:11,546 - [Jane] I rise to support the motion 1574 01:24:11,546 --> 01:24:14,482 that this house supports SOGI 123 1575 01:24:14,482 --> 01:24:16,618 within our schools to help create safe 1576 01:24:16,618 --> 01:24:19,187 and inclusive learning environments. 1577 01:24:19,187 --> 01:24:21,489 - Trans kids exist, we know that. 1578 01:24:21,489 --> 01:24:23,858 And to pretend that they would just cease to exist 1579 01:24:23,858 --> 01:24:26,828 if we didn't talk about them, it's just baloney. 1580 01:24:26,828 --> 01:24:29,597 It's bogus, it deserves no place in this debate. 1581 01:24:34,969 --> 01:24:37,572 - Because it's amazing seeing that there's this many people 1582 01:24:37,572 --> 01:24:40,241 who would take their time so that they can help others 1583 01:24:40,241 --> 01:24:42,477 feel comfortable in the space that they share. 1584 01:24:44,846 --> 01:24:48,183 (upbeat saxophone music) 121891

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