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(soft guitar music)
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♪ From this moment
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♪ I'll never be your slave, no
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♪ Just lay here in my own way
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♪ From this moment
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♪ I can see
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- [Krow] I'm Krow, I'm
a transgender male.
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I used to be a female model
from the age of 12, till 18.
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And when I was 18,
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I decided I was gonna
transition into being a male.
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I would like to try
again and see if maybe
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I can actually
become a male model
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after everything that
I've gone through.
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♪ From this moment
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♪ I can see
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♪ I can see me
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(soft ambient music)
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The first time I thought,
"Wow, I should have been born
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a boy instead of a girl," was
probably when I was either
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10 or 11 years old, so...
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I never really understood the
difference between genders
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when I was younger.
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I'd always been one of the guys.
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I never got along
well with the girls.
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It was when they
did sex ed class,
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what they did was
they would split us up
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into boys and girls.
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Yeah, I always
looked out the window
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and saw the boys
playing football
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and they got to play games
while we had to learn
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about what grossness
our body was gonna do
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when we got older.
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And I was like, "Well,
why can't I just go out
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and hang with the boys?
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Like, why do I have to sit here
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and learn all this gross stuff?
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Like, I don't want that
to happen to my body."
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But that was probably
the first time I reached
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that kind of boundary of,
"Well, what is the difference
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between a girl and a guy?"
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Is it have to be
physical or emotional?
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And I don't know, it was a
really confusing time for me.
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Yeah, I started
dressing like a guy
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and started getting bullied
pretty bad after that.
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For some reason, this kid
just got it in his head
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that he didn't like
the way I was dressed.
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And he started calling me emo,
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which is supposed to
be a slur for a cutter.
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So someone who
cuts their wrists.
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And the full term
is just emotional.
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And then other people
started getting into it
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and started believing that
I actually cut myself.
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In the first year, like,
I didn't really care much.
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I was like, "Well, I'm not."
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All my friends kind
of turned on me.
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And that's when I
made my best friend.
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There's three main
people that have, I feel,
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that have supported
me along the way.
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- Oh, man. Being
back here is weird.
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- [Krow] One of the biggest
ones is definitely Ashton,
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my best friend.
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He's been with me since
elementary school,
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Which grade was it
that I told you?
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- [Ashton] Fourth.
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- [Krow] Fourth grade.
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"Man, I wish I could be a boy."
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- Mhm.
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- And like, at that time, like,
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I just meant it as
like a offhand, like,
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"Yeah, life would
be easier as a guy."
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- Yeah.
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- But like, it
stuck pretty true.
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- Oh, the playground.
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- [Krow] he was there for
before I transitioned,
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when I was questioning myself
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but didn't know
about transitioning.
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- Touche.
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I don't think I did.
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awful experiences
of getting bullied
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and called whatever
name under the sun.
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Being like getting
called emo all the time.
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That was a big thing
for both of us.
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- [Krow] I would beat kids
up for it, like fully.
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The guys would call me
that and I would be like,
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knocking them to the ground.
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♪ When you insides
are outside crying ♪
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Ashton is my only
friend in grade seven.
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I literally had
no other friends.
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♪ No one know what
sick you've got ♪
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- Remember when we used to
pole dance on these things?
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- Yes.
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♪ If I could break away
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♪ If we break away
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♪ Can we make it back in time?
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I really wanted to
be able to be a boy,
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but I knew that
physically I couldn't.
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So at that point, I didn't know
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that there was
any way to change.
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So I figured I might as well
kind of learn how to be a girl,
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because I didn't feel
anything naturally
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to be able to express myself
as a girl or be feminine.
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- Kian came home from a
birthday party and was like,
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"Mom, what do you think
about me modeling?"
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And this is my daughter
that has been running around
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up at the campsite, being
at one of the tom boys
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and everything else.
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I was like, "Okay, well..."
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You know, like any other
thing that your children
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come towards you and
want to talk to you about
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and want to try out, you
give them the opportunity.
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(upbeat electronic music)
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The next thing you know,
Kian is off to Japan
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as soon as he's old enough.
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- [Krow] Modeling in Japan
at 13 was pretty awesome.
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(electronic music continues)
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First photo shoot, I felt
so awkward and weird.
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I had never had photos
taken of me before and like,
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felt like I was
attractive in any way.
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So yeah, it was
really interesting.
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And when they put the
makeup on and did my hair,
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I was like, "Oh my gosh,
like I actually look pretty.
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I look like a girl
and a nice girl, too."
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Wow!
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- [Lisa] From there we
have been to China, Taiwan,
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Toronto, and Milan.
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And then at 15 I started
letting Kian go by himself
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because he'd had
that much experience.
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(down tempo electronic music)
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- [Krow] When I
started high school,
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I also started modeling.
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That was kind of to show
them like a, "Fuck you guys".
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Like, I'm getting money
because I'm beautiful.
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And I can go to different
countries and do what I want,
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kind of thing.
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Just to kinda get back at them.
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The whole time with
the bullying, I
figured if I was a guy,
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this wouldn't have happened.
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If I was a guy, I'd still
be friends with everyone.
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Bullying makes you feel like
you shouldn't be around.
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You're a burden to people.
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And it makes you feel like you,
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it would be better if
you just weren't around,
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you didn't exist.
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Usually I would just go home
and lock myself in my room,
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turn all the lights off.
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I just couldn't couldn't handle
being in that environment,
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being with those kids around.
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I would've been 11 when I
first contemplated suicide
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and had those really dark days.
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The very first time I
thought about being a boy
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and why I had been
born a girl instead,
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I met a friend in, I
think it was grade nine.
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I ended up going
to what they call
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an anime convention, with them.
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(upbeat pop music)
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I found out that this
friend I had just made
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was trans, transgender.
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And when they brought
me into the group,
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a lot of them were either
transgender, or gay, or bi,
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or gender fluid.
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It was the first
time I had heard
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that you could
actually change gender.
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When I first went
into the community,
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I didn't want to
use my real name.
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I already wanted to
use my more male name
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that I had given
myself, which is Krow.
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I was going by the name
Krow with close friends.
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Not regular like,
school friends.
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I kind of wasn't
mentioning that to them.
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But like, at least the cosplay
community is where I felt
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like my family was.
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So I told all of
them and was like,
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"Yeah, call me Krow,
use male pronouns."
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- I think my decision to
transition came gradually,
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very gradually.
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The last year that I
was in high school,
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I was already sort
of like, you know,
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binding at school and
dressing more androgynously.
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I had a lot of, I don't
know, anger towards myself
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about it for a long
time, a lot of guilt.
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You know, "Why couldn't
I just be a girl?"
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Or, "Why couldn't I
just be cisgender?"
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Or, "Why couldn't I
just have like an easy,
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straightforward life
that makes sense?"
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I was actually 17 and
I was dating a guy
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and I was really
in love with him.
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And I told him I'm
trans and he dumped me.
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And then I was like, "Okay,
I think this is time."
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And I, two months later
started at least attempting
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to get into a gender clinic
and talk to somebody.
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That was like, when I took
the leap and actually came out
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and was like, "Yeah, I'm trans
and this is what I'm doing."
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- I was Ashton's sounding
board through his transition.
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- That's true.
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- And then I was like,
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I don't wanna seem
like I'm copying you,
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but I'm also transgender.
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And like, I'm just
scared to do the hormones
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and the surgeries at the moment.
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I knew I couldn't pretend to
be a girl for that much longer.
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It had gotten to a
point, I think it was 16
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where I was like, "I
need to be a boy."
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In Japan, in Tokyo, was probably
when I first kind of felt
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my confidence kind of come back,
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what I was okay with,
what I wasn't okay with.
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Once I knew that
China was the place
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I was gonna be going next, I
knew that was my last trip.
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I was also just very dumb.
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So I just stopped
kind of caring about
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what other people thought.
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- China was the last one.
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That's been now just
about two years ago.
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And Kian had been saying
me for about a year before
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that he was thinking
about quitting.
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- [Krow] Yeah, when
I was in China,
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there was a lot that happened
in China that was just crazy.
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I didn't like the way
that being a female model,
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how you were kind of treated.
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It's like pieces of
meat and, you know,
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people look over you and
then look at the next one.
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kind of thing.
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I had finally had the
last event and was like,
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"Well, you know what? I'm
done pleasing people."
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And just came back after a job.
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I had told my mom,
my agency, before
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that I was gonna stop modeling.
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It was my last trip.
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- [Lisa] And two days before
he was gonna come home,
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when he had no more
jobs, he sent me a photo.
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And in this photo is the
floor, and a pair of scissors,
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and a ponytail
lying on the ground.
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- Had to do a ponytail anyway,
took a pair of scissors.
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Cut it, didn't care.
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I was like, "Well, I'm
a boy now!" (laughs)
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Surprise, everyone!
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- [Lisa] I didn't realize
at the time when Kian
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had chopped off his hair, that
it was about transitioning.
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I thought it was just a matter
of putting his foot down,
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saying, "Okay, I'm
done with the modeling.
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I tried that last time.
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Not enjoying it.
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Chopping off my hair because
no one is going to want a girl
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that looks like
this as a model."
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It didn't make sense to
me because this is someone
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that has made a career
out of modeling,
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being feminine, and
being beautiful,
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and wearing makeup,
and gorgeous clothing.
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And it's the dream
that all girls have.
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She was a princess in
front of the camera.
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She was the center of attention
as this beautiful woman.
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So where is this
all coming from?
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And it's just not
computing in my brain.
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- [Krow] Being transgender
was the first thing
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that she didn't support
me in to begin with.
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So, it was a complete surprise.
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I thought she would
take it like, "Okay."
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And then I thought she
would be asking questions
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and then elaborating, and
then trying to learn about
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being transgender with me.
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- I have given
Kian a six months,
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"I don't want to hear
about this at all.
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I'm not gonna have a
discussion with you at all
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until the six months is up."
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- She didn't wanna discuss it.
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She didn't wanna hear about it.
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She said, "Wait six
months before we have
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this discussion again.
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And don't try to talk to
me about it in between."
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- This six month waiting period
was more about specifically
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our relationship
and what I have seen
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and how I'm gonna process it.
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Make sure you are a
hundred percent clear on,
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"This is what I want."
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- I had to still be a female,
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even though she knew
for that whole time.
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And yeah, it was
really hard for that.
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- I knew that you were
like, trying to push me
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and make sure that I'm
making the right decision,
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but it was still
hard on me, so...
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- Exactly. And I purposely
made it hard on you.
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- [Krow] I had no
idea how to feel,
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'cause it felt like
I lost a parent.
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So yeah, it was hard for
that first six months.
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- With the way that Kian
was with his friends
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and everything else
and all of a sudden
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there's one that
is transitioning.
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Then there's another one
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that's thinking
about transitioning.
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And then there's another
one that isn't quite sure
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what they wanna do.
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And then all of a sudden
Kian is coming on about,
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"What you think about
me being a boy?"
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So I didn't really
take it seriously.
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I thought it was just a
fad that's gonna go on.
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And he's gonna just, you
know, like typical teenagers,
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he's gonna just be interested
in something for a while
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and then he's gonna let it go.
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If Kian had come to
me at 18 years of age,
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when this really now became
a solidified thing happening,
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and said, "I wanna get married.
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I'm getting married tomorrow."
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That's a life choice,
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but you can get out
of that life choice.
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There is a way out.
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- It was really difficult on me.
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I was very anxious wondering
if you were gonna be
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okay with it or not.
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what I felt would have
to be what I do for me.
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It got to the point that
I was like at five months,
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I was starting to think like,
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maybe I should just do
the hormones without her.
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"Well, it started so
you can't stop me."
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If I had to pretend
that I was a female
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for the rest of my life, I
probably wouldn't make it
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through the year.
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- When the six months was over
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and it was time
to start talking,
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and I said, "Okay, I have a
couple questions for you."
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I said, "My biggest
question," I said,
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and this is where my
confusion personally came in.
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I said, "You were the
one that came to me.
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You're the one that
wanted to do this job
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that is so feminine.
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And now you want this,
so you can understand
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there's gonna be
a little push me,
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pull you confusion going on."
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And he looked at me and goes,
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And it's like, "Okay,
you don't have to.
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I don't have no more questions.
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I'm in a hundred percent.
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What do you need?
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And I'm there for you."
333
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And we've just gone
literally balls to the walls.
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Even with doing things wrong,
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I think that's
part of parenting.
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We're gonna make mistakes.
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And instead of beating
myself up about
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what I could have
done differently,
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the biggest thing
is just to remember
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that this is the
person that you love.
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- [Krow] Dexter!
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- [Dexter] Hey!
How are you doing?
343
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- [Krow] Hey!
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- [Lisa] And that
hasn't changed.
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And remember how scary it
is for them to come forward
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and to come to you and just say,
347
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"This is what's
happening with me.
348
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I need you."
349
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And that's what coming out is,
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is they're saying they need you.
351
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- This is gonna be last
photo shoot as a female
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before I get my
testosterone shot.
353
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So yeah, it's the last
hurrah basically, so...
354
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- We're gonna make this count.
355
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You see, we're gonna have
like three sets here.
356
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- [Lisa] You hope
your child believes
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that you love them enough,
358
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that no matter what.
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And when you have those
moments that all of a sudden
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you realize that your child
is afraid, is so lost,
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when you think
they're so grounded,
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is really, really hard.
363
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And that's also a moment
that you have to realize
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it has absolutely
nothing to do with you.
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It's about them.
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It's about what they need,
not about what they want.
367
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And you're failing as a
parent if you don't listen.
368
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And if you don't give
your child what they need,
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that's your failing.
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You're not failing
because your child
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isn't what you thought
they should be.
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You're failing because
you're not letting your child
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be who they need to be.
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(Krow laughs)
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- [Dexter] You look great.
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- Well, I might
thicken out a little.
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- [Dexter] Are you?
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- [Lisa] Maybe gets 110
pounds instead of a hundred.
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- Yeah, just pure muscle.
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I don't know.
381
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I feel like even
after I transition,
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I'll probably still wear some
like female-ish clothing,
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'cause, you know, once you're
confident then it's like,
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guys can look good while
wearing feminine clothes, so...
385
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- [Lacey] It's all working
so well, so excited.
386
00:20:47,679 --> 00:20:48,847
- [Dexter] You're
making this easy for us.
387
00:20:48,847 --> 00:20:50,048
- [Lacey] Yeah! (laughs)
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- [Krow] I hope to see
my face get a bit more
389
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kind of manly features
'cause I have very soft
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and refined feminine features.
391
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So, yeah, I'm hoping to get
that like, where it gets
392
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like, the slight muscle
that comes right there.
393
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- [Dexter] I'm excited about
the prospect of shooting Kian
394
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after the transformation
is complete.
395
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I was like, "Yeah,
yeah, yeah, let's do it.
396
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Let's do it."
397
00:21:14,206 --> 00:21:16,241
I'll be part of this,
you know, from the first,
398
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you know, from this shoot
before that transformation
399
00:21:18,944 --> 00:21:22,047
and then be a part of it
after, so I'm excited.
400
00:21:22,047 --> 00:21:26,918
What I can't wait to see is
like, how he's gonna fill out.
401
00:21:26,918 --> 00:21:30,222
Right? And see how he's
gonna look, you know,
402
00:21:30,222 --> 00:21:32,391
from every sense.
403
00:21:32,391 --> 00:21:35,360
(upbeat r&b music)
404
00:21:44,102 --> 00:21:47,205
For the story, you know,
making it gender neutral.
405
00:21:47,205 --> 00:21:50,609
But I really love the
content that we got.
406
00:21:50,609 --> 00:21:52,010
Really love the shots we got.
407
00:21:53,278 --> 00:21:56,048
(music continues)
408
00:22:01,153 --> 00:22:01,887
Yeah, like that.
409
00:22:09,961 --> 00:22:12,431
When I was told about
this story, I was like,
410
00:22:12,431 --> 00:22:15,434
so, so excited to
be a part of it.
411
00:22:15,434 --> 00:22:16,401
You're amazing.
412
00:22:22,474 --> 00:22:26,078
(crew laughs and applauds)
413
00:22:35,954 --> 00:22:39,858
- [Krow] Today it's
a giant step for me.
414
00:22:39,858 --> 00:22:44,730
Start on me and my journey
to being a guy finally.
415
00:22:47,466 --> 00:22:50,802
Even though we had a rocky
start between me and my mom
416
00:22:50,802 --> 00:22:53,572
for when I first came
out as being transgender,
417
00:22:54,706 --> 00:22:57,209
after she started
understanding it
418
00:22:57,209 --> 00:23:00,712
and understanding that this
was a choice that I had to make
419
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and that it wasn't just
the new thing to do,
420
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once she understood that
I truly meant to do this
421
00:23:07,619 --> 00:23:09,688
with all my heart,
she supported me
422
00:23:09,688 --> 00:23:11,156
through absolutely everything,
423
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and was there every
step of the way.
424
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I just went in and
got my prescription,
425
00:23:17,329 --> 00:23:19,364
my little testosterone vial.
426
00:23:19,364 --> 00:23:22,401
That means I'm going to be
starting testosterone soon.
427
00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:25,670
And I'm so excited about it.
428
00:23:25,670 --> 00:23:27,339
It's official, it's starting.
429
00:23:27,339 --> 00:23:30,842
- [Lisa] I get to be really
lucky and have puberty twice
430
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with one child.
431
00:23:32,077 --> 00:23:33,478
(laughs)
432
00:23:33,478 --> 00:23:35,347
This is gonna be fun.
433
00:23:36,848 --> 00:23:40,385
Skin oiliness and acne,
facial and body hair growth.
434
00:23:40,385 --> 00:23:42,220
Scalp hair loss.
435
00:23:42,220 --> 00:23:43,522
- Yes.
436
00:23:43,522 --> 00:23:45,557
- [Lisa] So you might
be my bald, gay son.
437
00:23:45,557 --> 00:23:48,260
Clitoral enlargement.
438
00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:50,729
Apparently we're gonna have
to have a little looser pants
439
00:23:50,729 --> 00:23:52,531
on you, from my understanding.
440
00:23:52,531 --> 00:23:55,167
- [Krow] Now she's
like my biggest fan.
441
00:23:55,167 --> 00:23:56,201
- Yeah. Oh yeah.
442
00:23:56,201 --> 00:23:57,536
You got the big
guns going on there.
443
00:23:57,536 --> 00:24:01,006
Body fat
redistribution. (laughs)
444
00:24:01,006 --> 00:24:05,043
- [Krow] She's just been
happy to try to help out
445
00:24:05,043 --> 00:24:06,711
in any way she can.
446
00:24:06,711 --> 00:24:08,380
She's so proud of me.
447
00:24:08,380 --> 00:24:10,282
So it's an amazing feeling.
448
00:24:10,282 --> 00:24:13,919
- Benefits, means it
is a permanent change.
449
00:24:15,353 --> 00:24:18,890
Thinning and atrophy of
vaginal tissues. So yeah.
450
00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:20,058
- Which we'll get removed.
451
00:24:20,058 --> 00:24:24,996
It's okay.
452
00:24:27,265 --> 00:24:28,767
I went in to get my first shot.
453
00:24:28,767 --> 00:24:31,970
It represents probably
one of the biggest steps
454
00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:35,073
I'm gonna be taking
in this whole process.
455
00:24:36,641 --> 00:24:39,911
(mellow ambient music)
456
00:24:54,593 --> 00:24:57,796
Kind of the first real big step
457
00:24:57,796 --> 00:25:00,932
that's being able to get
my body to start changing,
458
00:25:00,932 --> 00:25:02,567
my voice to start changing.
459
00:25:04,102 --> 00:25:06,071
Everything's kind of being
more the way I want to be.
460
00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:13,645
- [Lisa] This was a big one.
461
00:25:13,645 --> 00:25:17,616
My child is now
becoming masculine.
462
00:25:19,618 --> 00:25:21,853
♪ Happy birthday to you, hey!
463
00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:23,622
♪ Happy birthday to you, ho!
464
00:25:23,622 --> 00:25:25,523
♪ Happy birthday dear Kian
465
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- [Child] Kian!
466
00:25:26,458 --> 00:25:27,459
- [Lisa] It's a big day.
467
00:25:27,459 --> 00:25:29,995
♪ Happy birthday to you
468
00:25:29,995 --> 00:25:31,296
(group cheers)
469
00:25:31,296 --> 00:25:33,465
I'm gonna touch on something
that I thought about
470
00:25:33,465 --> 00:25:34,799
after the fact.
471
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:37,369
So the other day you
did that photo shoot.
472
00:25:37,369 --> 00:25:38,670
- Yeah.
473
00:25:38,803 --> 00:25:40,138
- [Lisa] I have watched
you in front of a camera
474
00:25:40,138 --> 00:25:41,239
for years now.
475
00:25:42,841 --> 00:25:44,342
12 and a half years old.
476
00:25:44,342 --> 00:25:47,112
I have seen many, many,
many, many photo shoots
477
00:25:47,112 --> 00:25:48,446
that you've done.
478
00:25:48,446 --> 00:25:53,485
I have never seen the
confidence that I saw in you
479
00:25:54,986 --> 00:25:56,555
the other day when you got
in front of that camera,
480
00:25:56,555 --> 00:25:57,956
being you.
481
00:26:01,059 --> 00:26:03,461
That was really, really cool.
482
00:26:03,461 --> 00:26:05,830
And that's something I hope
that you follow up with
483
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:07,198
and do more with.
484
00:26:11,836 --> 00:26:13,638
- First time assigned
from the clinic
485
00:26:13,638 --> 00:26:18,677
after I got my prescription
for the vial of testosterone.
486
00:26:19,177 --> 00:26:19,678
Sorry.
487
00:26:33,158 --> 00:26:35,994
(audience applauds)
488
00:26:40,165 --> 00:26:43,034
- [Kas] So we're here just
to support pretty much
489
00:26:43,034 --> 00:26:47,205
trans youth and educating
and saving lives.
490
00:26:47,205 --> 00:26:48,139
That's the goal.
491
00:26:50,875 --> 00:26:53,979
(soft guitar music)
492
00:26:55,347 --> 00:27:00,251
♪ It's not that easy
to go back in time ♪
493
00:27:02,087 --> 00:27:07,025
♪ It's no secret that I
put my heart on the line ♪
494
00:27:09,394 --> 00:27:12,263
♪ You stand watching me fall
495
00:27:12,263 --> 00:27:13,932
♪ But not to catch me
496
00:27:13,932 --> 00:27:16,568
- [Krow] Meeting Kas
was absolutely amazing.
497
00:27:16,568 --> 00:27:18,903
- I'm kind of curious as to
like the biggest kind of thing
498
00:27:18,903 --> 00:27:20,271
you're feeling right now.
499
00:27:20,271 --> 00:27:22,407
- I've noticed I've
been a lot happier.
500
00:27:22,407 --> 00:27:24,909
Seeing him be like absolutely
confident in himself.
501
00:27:24,909 --> 00:27:25,977
- "Oh, I have man shoulders now.
502
00:27:25,977 --> 00:27:27,579
This is awesome.
This is perfect.
503
00:27:27,579 --> 00:27:29,748
This is, okay, I wanna stand
a little taller now." (laughs)
504
00:27:29,748 --> 00:27:32,784
- [Krow] Them not being
afraid to just, I don't know,
505
00:27:32,784 --> 00:27:34,052
just be a person.
506
00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:37,756
- It's kind of cool
like, going through just
507
00:27:37,756 --> 00:27:39,257
talking to someone
who's going through it.
508
00:27:39,257 --> 00:27:41,593
'Cause I feel like I've been
so isolated in terms of,
509
00:27:41,593 --> 00:27:42,927
from the transgender community.
510
00:27:42,927 --> 00:27:44,496
'Cause I came up
like pretty like.
511
00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:45,430
- Early, early.
512
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:46,965
- Early and like, alone.
513
00:27:46,965 --> 00:27:49,300
Like, I didn't know any
other transgender people.
514
00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:51,136
I didn't have anyone
who's going through it.
515
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:53,271
I honestly don't even remember
516
00:27:53,271 --> 00:27:56,207
how I first heard
the term transgender.
517
00:27:57,942 --> 00:28:02,414
Like, I've always
wanted to be a boy.
518
00:28:02,414 --> 00:28:04,149
You know, when I was two,
I was asking everyone
519
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:07,685
when my penis was gonna grow
in like all the other boys
520
00:28:07,685 --> 00:28:10,955
and I was sorely
disappointed to find out
521
00:28:10,955 --> 00:28:12,791
that that would
never happen for me.
522
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,761
I've just like known all along.
523
00:28:16,761 --> 00:28:20,532
So, I mean at 17 I came out
and coming to that realization
524
00:28:20,532 --> 00:28:23,435
was just really like, like
a brief moment of clarity.
525
00:28:23,435 --> 00:28:26,805
And then literally, you
know, no one else knew.
526
00:28:26,805 --> 00:28:27,972
I was terrified to
tell my girlfriend.
527
00:28:27,972 --> 00:28:29,441
I was terrified to
tell everyone else.
528
00:28:29,441 --> 00:28:32,977
And no matter how many people
you have supporting you,
529
00:28:32,977 --> 00:28:35,146
no matter how many
people you have
530
00:28:35,146 --> 00:28:36,981
trying to understand
how you feel,
531
00:28:36,981 --> 00:28:40,151
there will never be anyone
that will understand
532
00:28:40,151 --> 00:28:42,153
the inner struggle that
you've had to go through.
533
00:28:42,153 --> 00:28:44,055
And the changes you're
gonna have to go through
534
00:28:44,055 --> 00:28:45,757
to get to where you want to be.
535
00:28:47,192 --> 00:28:50,328
And you know, that's where the
community really helps out.
536
00:29:02,207 --> 00:29:05,376
- So this is basically the
sort of non-book trans area.
537
00:29:05,376 --> 00:29:08,179
So you've got a
few binders here.
538
00:29:08,179 --> 00:29:10,548
I have a half one on
right now just because
539
00:29:10,548 --> 00:29:13,852
I find it easier to
slip in if I'm kind of
540
00:29:13,852 --> 00:29:15,820
quickly gonna go do something.
541
00:29:16,888 --> 00:29:20,191
Though, I do prefer
the longer ones.
542
00:29:20,191 --> 00:29:23,862
So it would be like
a full one like this.
543
00:29:23,862 --> 00:29:24,662
- [Ken] Like a tank top almost.
544
00:29:24,662 --> 00:29:26,030
- Yeah.
545
00:29:26,030 --> 00:29:27,699
And the one I have has
has the binding part
546
00:29:27,699 --> 00:29:29,367
only about up to here.
547
00:29:29,367 --> 00:29:31,836
And then kind of like a
swimsuit-ish fabric down here.
548
00:29:31,836 --> 00:29:32,837
- [Ken] Right, right.
549
00:29:32,837 --> 00:29:34,072
- So it's like Under Armour.
550
00:29:34,072 --> 00:29:38,376
So then I just fold that
up to about here halfway
551
00:29:38,376 --> 00:29:41,746
and then hold onto where
the actual tough binding is
552
00:29:41,746 --> 00:29:44,282
and then try to
like, slide it on.
553
00:29:44,282 --> 00:29:45,483
It's good.
554
00:29:47,585 --> 00:29:49,020
so that it's evenly flat.
555
00:29:50,388 --> 00:29:52,357
But yeah, aside from
that, for the first while
556
00:29:52,357 --> 00:29:53,725
it feels kind of
tight 'cause your body
557
00:29:53,725 --> 00:29:55,059
has to get used to it.
558
00:29:55,059 --> 00:29:57,095
And also the binder
itself has to kind of
559
00:29:57,095 --> 00:29:58,396
shape to your body too.
560
00:29:59,964 --> 00:30:03,401
I used to be a small,
small D to a large C,
561
00:30:03,401 --> 00:30:07,138
and then after binding, it
has actually flattened down
562
00:30:07,138 --> 00:30:09,040
and it's not as
firm, I've noticed.
563
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,477
So it got a little smaller, yay.
564
00:30:12,477 --> 00:30:14,712
- I don't really
feel like I identify
565
00:30:14,712 --> 00:30:16,047
with that part of my body.
566
00:30:16,047 --> 00:30:17,782
And in fact, one of the
things that I dealt with
567
00:30:17,782 --> 00:30:21,319
in my early like, dysphoria
that I knew it was dysphoria
568
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,389
was like binding all
day and then coming home
569
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:25,657
and taking my binder
off and being like,
570
00:30:25,657 --> 00:30:27,158
"Whoa!"
571
00:30:27,158 --> 00:30:28,960
Like, "That's my body."
572
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,495
I completely would like
dissociate from that.
573
00:30:30,495 --> 00:30:32,764
And not even remember
that I like had breasts
574
00:30:32,764 --> 00:30:36,634
and then I'd come home
and be like, "Okay, dang."
575
00:30:36,634 --> 00:30:37,802
- I'll come out of the shower.
576
00:30:37,802 --> 00:30:39,437
Like I won't even
think about it.
577
00:30:39,437 --> 00:30:41,105
I'll come out of the shower
and like be getting dressed
578
00:30:41,105 --> 00:30:42,440
and be like, "Time to
put my binder back on."
579
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,610
And I like look down,
I'm like, "Whoa."
580
00:30:45,610 --> 00:30:47,145
Don't look down!
- Yeah.
581
00:30:47,145 --> 00:30:48,012
Don't look down.!
- Yeah.
582
00:30:48,012 --> 00:30:49,247
- I know the feeling.
583
00:30:49,247 --> 00:30:50,915
Yeah, don't look
down as like a trans
584
00:30:50,915 --> 00:30:52,317
rule of showering, I think.
585
00:30:55,153 --> 00:30:56,621
- [Ken] So these are sort
of the higher end ones,
586
00:30:56,621 --> 00:30:58,656
are what's this
particular company.
587
00:30:58,656 --> 00:31:00,792
So they actually look
much more realistically
588
00:31:00,792 --> 00:31:01,693
like a penis, for sure.
589
00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:02,660
- [Krow] And they even feel it.
590
00:31:02,660 --> 00:31:04,162
I've seen my friends have it.
591
00:31:04,162 --> 00:31:05,597
- And they actually feel
more, yeah. they're soft.
592
00:31:05,597 --> 00:31:07,799
They've got like real mushy
flush material, kind of.
593
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:09,033
- My friends let me grab one in
594
00:31:09,033 --> 00:31:10,134
and like start spinning it.
595
00:31:10,134 --> 00:31:12,136
- Spinning it
around, yeah. (laugh)
596
00:31:12,136 --> 00:31:13,705
And this is more like a dildo.
597
00:31:13,705 --> 00:31:15,039
So you could wear this in
like a harness or whatever
598
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:16,274
and you can actually
have sex with this.
599
00:31:16,274 --> 00:31:17,475
You can basically
interact, right?
600
00:31:17,475 --> 00:31:18,576
- [Krow] Yeah.
601
00:31:19,877 --> 00:31:21,479
you can also add
testicles on your own.
602
00:31:21,479 --> 00:31:23,681
Even add a vibration to
the testicles if you want.
603
00:31:23,681 --> 00:31:24,883
- [Krow] Oh, that's interesting.
604
00:31:24,883 --> 00:31:25,650
- [Ken] So you can
get a little bit
605
00:31:25,650 --> 00:31:27,018
of extra boost for fun.
606
00:31:27,018 --> 00:31:28,486
And then this, you can
wear it as a packer
607
00:31:28,486 --> 00:31:30,321
and then you can actually
stand and pee in a urinal
608
00:31:30,321 --> 00:31:31,990
if you want to, so you
don't have to use a stall
609
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:33,658
or be a stall man.
610
00:31:33,658 --> 00:31:35,360
- Interesting.
611
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,296
The only thing would be like,
would you be able to clean it
612
00:31:38,296 --> 00:31:39,998
like right there on the spot?
613
00:31:39,998 --> 00:31:42,567
- You probably have to do
like a little Kleenex sponge.
614
00:31:42,567 --> 00:31:44,502
- Yeah, that would
be a little weird
615
00:31:44,502 --> 00:31:47,372
to try cleaning for
the first while, yeah.
616
00:31:47,372 --> 00:31:48,806
- But I can assure you that
617
00:31:48,806 --> 00:31:50,208
some straight guys
are dribblers.
618
00:31:50,208 --> 00:31:52,143
(laughs)
619
00:31:53,645 --> 00:31:55,847
- When I first got a packer,
it was kind of like around
620
00:31:55,847 --> 00:31:57,348
the same time I got a binder.
621
00:31:57,348 --> 00:31:58,716
I just like went on gung
ho and wanted everything.
622
00:31:58,716 --> 00:32:00,885
I was just like, "I
want it all at once."
623
00:32:01,853 --> 00:32:03,855
I got the pack and pee.
624
00:32:03,855 --> 00:32:05,023
Like, I worked construction.
625
00:32:05,023 --> 00:32:08,559
So it was just
super uncomfortable
626
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,361
like, moving around
all the time.
627
00:32:10,361 --> 00:32:12,697
I literally just got
lazy that I'd tried it on
628
00:32:12,697 --> 00:32:16,200
and it would be really
awesome and feel like, great.
629
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,536
And then like the band
would loosen like,
630
00:32:18,536 --> 00:32:21,005
it cause it was just
like some elastic.
631
00:32:21,005 --> 00:32:22,707
Got to the point
where I was just like,
632
00:32:22,707 --> 00:32:24,242
"You know what?
633
00:32:24,242 --> 00:32:28,246
I'm just gonna nix this
because it's just taken up
634
00:32:28,246 --> 00:32:29,847
way too much of my time."
635
00:32:29,847 --> 00:32:32,717
Like, I mean like I'm not even
adjusting my balls anymore.
636
00:32:32,717 --> 00:32:35,520
I'm just like, I'm just
adjusting my strap all the time.
637
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,855
(laughs)
638
00:32:37,855 --> 00:32:41,426
- At this point I'm like,
okay, , medical things
639
00:32:41,426 --> 00:32:46,331
have come along far enough
that now I will have the option
640
00:32:47,532 --> 00:32:48,766
probably within the
next three to five years
641
00:32:48,766 --> 00:32:51,235
of having an actual transplant,
642
00:32:51,235 --> 00:32:54,906
which would provide
feeling and functionality.
643
00:32:56,541 --> 00:32:59,377
So I'm going to be
waiting with that.
644
00:32:59,377 --> 00:33:01,646
But if that hadn't happened,
645
00:33:01,646 --> 00:33:04,048
if they hadn't done the
first successful one,
646
00:33:05,316 --> 00:33:07,785
then I would've already
been on the waiting list
647
00:33:07,785 --> 00:33:11,656
for getting the surgery,
the bottom surgery.
648
00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:13,658
- It's scary to go under
the knife for something
649
00:33:13,658 --> 00:33:15,660
that's not, you know,
medically necessary.
650
00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:17,595
Scary when it is
medically necessary too.
651
00:33:17,595 --> 00:33:21,399
But it's scarier almost when
it's like a box you're ticking.
652
00:33:21,399 --> 00:33:22,667
Like, "Yes, I sign
my rights away.
653
00:33:22,667 --> 00:33:24,769
"Yes, I sign my pulse
away," potentially.
654
00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:26,337
Like, it's scary.
655
00:33:26,337 --> 00:33:28,740
- Like the big, "Okay, I'm
not ready for this yet,"
656
00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:31,275
was that, you know, like
they'll cut everything
657
00:33:31,275 --> 00:33:34,946
and kind of, I guess,
pull it out in a sense
658
00:33:34,946 --> 00:33:37,415
and you have to take
like a massive skin graft
659
00:33:37,415 --> 00:33:39,250
from your arm or your leg.
660
00:33:39,250 --> 00:33:40,451
And I'm kinda like looking like,
661
00:33:40,451 --> 00:33:42,687
"Hey, well like what
do I want tattooed
662
00:33:42,687 --> 00:33:45,123
on my dick at this point?"
663
00:33:45,123 --> 00:33:46,758
(both laugh)
664
00:33:46,758 --> 00:33:50,428
So, I opted to wait to see
if science would improve.
665
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:53,865
- [Ken] The trans
community is really kind of
666
00:33:53,865 --> 00:33:56,334
going through a big
awakening in the same way
667
00:33:56,334 --> 00:33:58,102
that queer community did
sort of in the sixties
668
00:33:58,102 --> 00:33:59,303
and seventies kind of.
669
00:33:59,303 --> 00:34:00,671
It used to be sort
of queer studies
670
00:34:00,671 --> 00:34:02,140
with a little bit
of transgender.
671
00:34:02,306 --> 00:34:04,675
And now it's transgender with
a little bit of queer studies.
672
00:34:06,210 --> 00:34:09,847
So like this last Pride, we
ordered more transgender flags
673
00:34:09,847 --> 00:34:11,149
than we've ever ordered before.
674
00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:12,650
And we still sold
out before Pride.
675
00:34:12,650 --> 00:34:14,952
- Wow.
676
00:34:14,952 --> 00:34:17,121
(crowds cheering)
677
00:34:17,121 --> 00:34:20,291
(upbeat techno music)
678
00:34:45,183 --> 00:34:47,185
- Here it has the choice.
679
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,323
This means that I can start
applying for my name change.
680
00:34:53,391 --> 00:34:55,993
Once I have this and
everything is approved,
681
00:34:55,993 --> 00:34:58,696
then I'm gonna start going
to my job as male only.
682
00:34:58,696 --> 00:35:03,067
Luckily my job is very
generic and gender neutral.
683
00:35:03,067 --> 00:35:07,238
What I do for work is
background actor, or extra.
684
00:35:07,238 --> 00:35:09,707
So as soon as these
papers go through,
685
00:35:09,707 --> 00:35:12,710
then I'm going to have
a lot more confidence
686
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:16,714
to be able to tell people that
if they're asking questions,
687
00:35:16,714 --> 00:35:19,884
just be like, "Well I'm
male and I want to be cast
688
00:35:19,884 --> 00:35:21,352
as male only roles."
689
00:35:26,224 --> 00:35:31,362
The makeup people have been
asking me, oh, it's kind of,
690
00:35:32,763 --> 00:35:36,267
some of them just look, but
others that know that I'm trans
691
00:35:36,267 --> 00:35:38,302
they're like, "Okay, so when
are you going to start shaving
692
00:35:38,302 --> 00:35:39,470
your little mustache thing"
693
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:41,939
I'm like, "Ah, I want to shave!"
694
00:35:41,939 --> 00:35:46,077
Here is my attempt to
shave for the first time.
695
00:36:04,061 --> 00:36:05,563
(laughs)
696
00:36:05,663 --> 00:36:10,401
- [Lisa] I won't get into great
details about Kian's father.
697
00:36:13,771 --> 00:36:17,141
His father had decided not
to be part of his life,
698
00:36:17,141 --> 00:36:18,476
at least at that point in time.
699
00:36:18,476 --> 00:36:19,911
And it's stayed that way.
700
00:36:26,584 --> 00:36:29,854
So I knew I was gonna be a
single parent right off the bat.
701
00:36:29,854 --> 00:36:31,589
And I was fine with that.
702
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:33,724
It was never, never
an issue whatsoever.
703
00:36:35,493 --> 00:36:38,296
- [Krow] Two years
later after he had me,
704
00:36:38,296 --> 00:36:42,800
he had another kid with
someone who is now his wife,
705
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,169
and then another two years
after that, he had another kid.
706
00:36:45,169 --> 00:36:49,106
So he never wanted to talk
to me previous to that.
707
00:36:49,106 --> 00:36:51,776
And that even though he
couldn't handle responsibility
708
00:36:51,776 --> 00:36:54,111
of a kid that all of a
sudden two years later,
709
00:36:54,111 --> 00:36:57,648
"Oh, he can handle a kid
and a wife and another kid.
710
00:36:57,648 --> 00:37:00,351
And not even bother
trying to talk to me
711
00:37:00,351 --> 00:37:02,620
when I was still
under 10 years old."
712
00:37:03,955 --> 00:37:04,755
Yeah, no.
713
00:37:06,157 --> 00:37:09,193
(soft piano music)
714
00:37:13,631 --> 00:37:14,999
- [Lisa] When I was
pregnant with you,
715
00:37:14,999 --> 00:37:16,200
I kept having a dream.
716
00:37:17,668 --> 00:37:20,237
And I had a dream about
me walking with my son
717
00:37:20,237 --> 00:37:21,472
along the beach.
718
00:37:23,674 --> 00:37:26,377
And it happened over,
and over, and over again.
719
00:37:26,377 --> 00:37:28,312
And it was a very
specific dream.
720
00:37:29,347 --> 00:37:32,783
So, go ahead and open it.
721
00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:39,190
And we now have a
painting of me with my son
722
00:37:40,024 --> 00:37:40,891
when he was a child.
723
00:37:43,027 --> 00:37:43,894
- [Krow] Mom!
724
00:37:45,896 --> 00:37:50,701
- [Lisa] This is the
one and only picture
725
00:37:50,701 --> 00:37:53,738
that my son and I have of
him being a young child,
726
00:37:54,905 --> 00:37:56,240
and him being my son.
727
00:37:57,575 --> 00:37:59,210
I hope you really enjoy it.
728
00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:00,544
- [Krow] I love it.
729
00:38:00,544 --> 00:38:01,746
- Oh God. Here we go.
(laughs) Waterworks.
730
00:38:05,549 --> 00:38:06,751
- Thank you, Mom.
731
00:38:09,286 --> 00:38:13,257
- So it's been almost eight
months, seven and a half so far.
732
00:38:14,392 --> 00:38:15,693
Yeah, it's been going good.
733
00:38:17,795 --> 00:38:20,765
My voice stopped
kind of dropping.
734
00:38:20,765 --> 00:38:24,568
So, my period also came back.
735
00:38:24,568 --> 00:38:27,705
So, my doctor had
me up the dosage.
736
00:38:27,705 --> 00:38:31,042
So, right now, just waiting
for that to kind of kick in.
737
00:38:31,042 --> 00:38:35,413
Just mentally, I was at
a block where I couldn't
738
00:38:35,413 --> 00:38:36,714
give myself the shot.
739
00:38:36,714 --> 00:38:37,815
So I had to get
my friend to do it
740
00:38:37,815 --> 00:38:40,418
or go in and get the
doctors to do it.
741
00:38:40,418 --> 00:38:41,886
So I'm still kind of new at it.
742
00:38:41,886 --> 00:38:45,489
I haven't messed up
yet, but you know,
743
00:38:45,489 --> 00:38:46,857
there's always the chance.
744
00:38:48,059 --> 00:38:49,727
All right, so you have
it upside down that way
745
00:38:49,727 --> 00:38:53,230
you don't have any bubbles.
746
00:38:53,230 --> 00:38:55,132
Do some taps.
747
00:38:55,132 --> 00:38:58,402
Now we're going to unscrew this
748
00:38:59,470 --> 00:39:01,005
and this goes in
the sharp container
749
00:39:01,005 --> 00:39:03,407
and you never have
to look at it again.
750
00:39:03,407 --> 00:39:04,742
Scary needle is gone.
751
00:39:08,112 --> 00:39:10,948
And now we get to
do the needle stuff.
752
00:39:13,784 --> 00:39:15,953
Go until you have
that little droplet
753
00:39:17,755 --> 00:39:19,957
and then we're gonna
grab an area here.
754
00:39:26,497 --> 00:39:29,600
(takes a deep breath)
755
00:39:31,836 --> 00:39:34,338
(tense music)
756
00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:51,155
Oh no, I'm tripping
myself out. (chuckles)
757
00:39:51,155 --> 00:39:55,993
All right, I can do this.
758
00:39:55,993 --> 00:39:56,761
Oh my gosh.
759
00:40:06,337 --> 00:40:08,372
Oh no, I can't do this.
760
00:40:21,652 --> 00:40:23,654
Just don't deal with it.
761
00:40:26,590 --> 00:40:29,727
(takes a deep breath)
762
00:40:48,546 --> 00:40:51,515
(soft guitar music)
763
00:40:54,385 --> 00:40:56,854
♪ I breathe you in
764
00:40:56,854 --> 00:41:01,225
♪ I feel you sinking
into my blood ♪
765
00:41:01,225 --> 00:41:03,727
♪ You're under my skin
766
00:41:03,727 --> 00:41:07,698
♪ The taste of you
is not enough ♪
767
00:41:07,698 --> 00:41:10,568
♪ I'm slowly letting go
768
00:41:10,568 --> 00:41:13,871
♪ Of all my inhibitions
769
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,875
- [Kas] Starting, you know,
grade eight, grade nine,
770
00:41:17,875 --> 00:41:19,376
that self-awareness
when you're really aware
771
00:41:19,376 --> 00:41:22,413
of how you look, your body,
the changes that are happening
772
00:41:22,413 --> 00:41:23,914
as you're going through puberty,
773
00:41:23,914 --> 00:41:26,250
looking in the mirror was
the hardest thing for me.
774
00:41:26,250 --> 00:41:27,952
Like, I just wanted to break
the mirror every single time.
775
00:41:27,952 --> 00:41:29,587
I absolutely hated what I saw.
776
00:41:30,554 --> 00:41:31,922
That amount of self hate,
777
00:41:31,922 --> 00:41:34,124
like there's a lot
of destructive habits
778
00:41:34,124 --> 00:41:35,025
that come out of that.
779
00:41:36,627 --> 00:41:41,565
Alcohol, and smoking,
and you know, like pills
780
00:41:42,766 --> 00:41:43,934
and a lot of that
kind of thing, right?
781
00:41:43,934 --> 00:41:48,105
Suicide attempts and
just a lot of self harm.
782
00:41:48,105 --> 00:41:50,074
Instead of cutting
myself, I would go home.
783
00:41:50,074 --> 00:41:53,644
I would blast music as
loud as it would go.
784
00:41:53,644 --> 00:41:56,113
And I would just like
repeatedly smack my head
785
00:41:56,113 --> 00:41:59,583
against the wall until I was
so numb and so lightheaded.
786
00:42:00,951 --> 00:42:03,921
For me, it wasn't about feeling
a different kind of pain.
787
00:42:03,921 --> 00:42:06,123
It was about not feeling at all.
788
00:42:06,123 --> 00:42:08,158
I did that quite a bit and
that's definitely something
789
00:42:08,158 --> 00:42:11,762
that I've later on in life
suffered a lot of concussions.
790
00:42:12,963 --> 00:42:15,466
- [Nancy] I never knew
about the head bashing.
791
00:42:15,466 --> 00:42:17,334
I knew there was blackness.
792
00:42:17,334 --> 00:42:21,205
I just didn't know how I
could communicate with him.
793
00:42:21,205 --> 00:42:24,008
You know, we tried
to go to a counselor
794
00:42:26,043 --> 00:42:28,712
and it seemed like
such a private journey.
795
00:42:28,712 --> 00:42:32,182
And we, as parents just
felt totally powerless.
796
00:42:32,182 --> 00:42:34,618
There was a brick
wall around him.
797
00:42:34,618 --> 00:42:37,721
♪ Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes
798
00:42:37,721 --> 00:42:42,660
♪ Turn and face the strange
799
00:42:43,494 --> 00:42:46,163
♪ Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes
800
00:42:46,163 --> 00:42:51,035
♪ It's gonna have to
be a different man ♪
801
00:42:51,035 --> 00:42:55,205
He has lived this by himself.
802
00:42:56,907 --> 00:42:59,643
Not because we didn't
want to be there with him,
803
00:43:01,745 --> 00:43:05,382
but again, that brick
wall was so thick.
804
00:43:05,382 --> 00:43:07,351
- The closest time I
think I came to like,
805
00:43:07,351 --> 00:43:11,822
actually just killing
myself, was I just drank
806
00:43:11,822 --> 00:43:14,825
and swallowed a ton of pills.
807
00:43:14,825 --> 00:43:16,927
And as much as I hated myself,
808
00:43:16,927 --> 00:43:19,029
and as much as I wanted to die,
809
00:43:19,029 --> 00:43:21,165
in that moment, I panicked.
810
00:43:21,165 --> 00:43:23,000
There was some glimmer
that was telling me
811
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,268
that I don't want to die.
812
00:43:24,268 --> 00:43:26,170
Like, that's not over yet.
813
00:43:26,170 --> 00:43:30,040
And I ran to my
mom and woke her up
814
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,576
and I ended up
throwing everything up.
815
00:43:32,576 --> 00:43:33,544
- Huh...
816
00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:35,679
It's horrible.
817
00:43:37,281 --> 00:43:40,851
You feel powerless and that's
the hard thing to deal with.
818
00:43:43,253 --> 00:43:47,124
Can't believe I'm crying about
it all these years later.
819
00:43:47,124 --> 00:43:48,025
It stays.
820
00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:54,565
And that was, in some ways,
as horrible as it was,
821
00:43:55,799 --> 00:43:58,302
it was the first time
that he allowed me in.
822
00:43:58,302 --> 00:44:00,804
♪ Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes
823
00:44:00,804 --> 00:44:04,608
♪ Turn and face the strange
824
00:44:05,776 --> 00:44:08,178
I just thank my lucky
stars I still have him.
825
00:44:09,813 --> 00:44:14,752
♪ It's gonna have to
be a different man. ♪
826
00:44:16,286 --> 00:44:19,923
- [Kas] My mom is just hands
down the most incredible person
827
00:44:19,923 --> 00:44:22,292
on this Earth because
I can honestly say
828
00:44:22,292 --> 00:44:25,262
that if I did not have my
mom, I wouldn't be here today.
829
00:44:31,668 --> 00:44:35,005
♪ I could wait for
you to change ♪
830
00:44:35,005 --> 00:44:37,641
♪ But what good would that do?
831
00:44:37,641 --> 00:44:40,744
- [Nancy] I appreciate
every day that I have my son
832
00:44:40,744 --> 00:44:45,716
and I'm able to feel
admiration and amazement
833
00:44:46,817 --> 00:44:49,119
and the courage that
your child needs to have
834
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:53,924
and that my child
has, to be who he is.
835
00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:58,862
And really it's
just about gender.
836
00:44:58,862 --> 00:45:01,799
He's still the same
person I gave birth to.
837
00:45:01,799 --> 00:45:06,704
The envelope has
changed a little bit
and we celebrate that,
838
00:45:06,704 --> 00:45:10,374
but I'm just really lucky
to have him with us still.
839
00:45:10,374 --> 00:45:12,376
♪ You're the devil
840
00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:15,679
♪ The devil in disguise
841
00:45:20,851 --> 00:45:22,519
(audience applauds)
842
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:24,488
There was an urgency for Kas.
843
00:45:24,488 --> 00:45:29,259
For him, he just needed to
have that physical surgery
844
00:45:30,494 --> 00:45:34,031
in order to feel that
he could go forward.
845
00:45:34,031 --> 00:45:36,834
- [Kas] I went for chest
surgery out in Florida.
846
00:45:38,502 --> 00:45:40,504
It all happened so fast.
847
00:45:40,504 --> 00:45:43,974
I remember him unwrapping,
but I looked down and said,
848
00:45:43,974 --> 00:45:45,709
"Holy fuck, they're gone."
849
00:45:47,244 --> 00:45:50,247
And it was just like, you
know, I had these tiny nipples
850
00:45:50,247 --> 00:45:52,049
that were just like
sewn right back on.
851
00:45:52,049 --> 00:45:54,685
And it was just like, I
had a complete flat chest
852
00:45:54,685 --> 00:45:56,120
for the first time in my life.
853
00:45:57,521 --> 00:46:02,025
That was for me the point
where I started to feel
854
00:46:02,025 --> 00:46:03,827
even remotely
comfortable in my body.
855
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:09,700
- [Krow] We're at
the surgeon's office.
856
00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:12,369
We're gonna go see him
and he's gonna be the one
857
00:46:12,369 --> 00:46:16,406
that's gonna be doing the
breast reduction surgery for me.
858
00:46:16,406 --> 00:46:19,443
So we're gonna do
the consultation and
he's gonna sit down
859
00:46:19,443 --> 00:46:21,545
and talk with me and make
sure that I'm familiar
860
00:46:21,545 --> 00:46:22,780
with the procedure.
861
00:46:22,780 --> 00:46:24,047
- How long have you
been considering
862
00:46:24,047 --> 00:46:26,850
the surgery side of this?
863
00:46:26,850 --> 00:46:28,685
- Since I was 16.
864
00:46:28,685 --> 00:46:29,553
- And you're...
865
00:46:29,553 --> 00:46:30,254
- I am 21 now.
866
00:46:31,855 --> 00:46:35,025
(quiet ambient music)
867
00:46:55,245 --> 00:46:57,981
- So you can imagine you
take something this big
868
00:46:57,981 --> 00:46:59,216
and bring it down to
something like that,
869
00:46:59,216 --> 00:47:01,552
you'll get pleats
around the edges.
870
00:47:01,552 --> 00:47:03,153
That generally settles down.
871
00:47:03,153 --> 00:47:08,058
We try to get these scars
as symmetrical as we can.
872
00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:09,927
Okay. All right.
873
00:47:09,927 --> 00:47:11,895
- Awesome. Thank you very much.
874
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,936
All right, here we are.
875
00:47:20,904 --> 00:47:21,905
New name!
876
00:47:24,007 --> 00:47:27,945
Gender marker, so my
gender marker is now male.
877
00:47:27,945 --> 00:47:30,781
When people ask for my ID,
878
00:47:31,915 --> 00:47:33,417
I don't have to look
at them awkwardly
879
00:47:33,417 --> 00:47:34,518
as they like look
at my gender marker
880
00:47:34,518 --> 00:47:36,687
and look at my face
and like, "Huh?"
881
00:47:36,687 --> 00:47:41,325
One of the first questions
I get from non-transgender
882
00:47:41,325 --> 00:47:45,796
and straight people
is, "You're trans.
883
00:47:45,796 --> 00:47:47,331
Does that mean you like girls?"
884
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:53,136
It is probably one of the
most common questions I get
885
00:47:53,136 --> 00:47:54,605
and all the time I'm like,
886
00:47:54,771 --> 00:47:59,343
"No, just because I'm trans
does not mean I'm into girls."
887
00:48:00,510 --> 00:48:01,878
It's actually, for
me specifically,
888
00:48:01,878 --> 00:48:03,647
it's the exact opposite.
889
00:48:03,647 --> 00:48:05,649
I have a phobia of female parts.
890
00:48:05,649 --> 00:48:08,051
And even the thought
of being with like,
891
00:48:08,051 --> 00:48:09,987
a physically female
person is just like,
892
00:48:09,987 --> 00:48:12,823
not in my registry
and like, I couldn't.
893
00:48:12,823 --> 00:48:14,157
I couldn't.
894
00:48:14,157 --> 00:48:14,958
- I've always been
attracted to girls
895
00:48:14,958 --> 00:48:16,293
and that hasn't changed.
896
00:48:16,293 --> 00:48:18,729
Like I, you know, and
like, that's just me.
897
00:48:18,729 --> 00:48:21,498
I mean, I was a lesbian,
I identified as a lesbian
898
00:48:21,498 --> 00:48:23,667
before I transitioned
into a male.
899
00:48:23,667 --> 00:48:26,870
So, you know, I technically
went from gay straight.
900
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:28,305
- Whereas for me
it's the opposite.
901
00:48:28,305 --> 00:48:29,673
Going from straight to gay.
- Straight to gay.
902
00:48:29,673 --> 00:48:31,909
Yeah, 'cause at some
point in your life,
903
00:48:31,909 --> 00:48:34,411
if you're trans and
you like people,
904
00:48:34,411 --> 00:48:38,382
you're going to be
gay at some point.
905
00:48:38,382 --> 00:48:39,383
- Or at the very least bisexual
906
00:48:39,383 --> 00:48:40,384
- [Krow] Or at least bisexual.
907
00:48:40,384 --> 00:48:42,152
- Yeah, I mean it's gonna be...
908
00:48:42,152 --> 00:48:44,655
- You're gonna fit in that
section at some point,
909
00:48:44,655 --> 00:48:46,223
unless you're just like,
"No, I don't like people.
910
00:48:46,223 --> 00:48:47,391
Just never touch me."
911
00:48:49,092 --> 00:48:50,027
- Just stay away.
912
00:48:50,027 --> 00:48:51,328
- Just stay away.
913
00:48:53,697 --> 00:48:56,700
- [Jane] Today, I'm incredibly
pleased to see our government
914
00:48:56,700 --> 00:49:01,405
is taking the next step by
amending the human rights code
915
00:49:01,405 --> 00:49:04,942
to include explicit language
that reaffirms the fact
916
00:49:04,942 --> 00:49:09,579
that transgender persons are
clearly protected by the law.
917
00:49:09,579 --> 00:49:11,415
- All those in
favor, please rise.
918
00:49:16,053 --> 00:49:18,255
(group applauds)
919
00:49:18,255 --> 00:49:20,524
- [Spencer] On a day like
today where we introduce
920
00:49:20,524 --> 00:49:23,393
legislation to change
our human rights code,
921
00:49:23,393 --> 00:49:26,596
to finally exclusively
protect transgender people,
922
00:49:26,596 --> 00:49:27,898
I'm incredibly excited.
923
00:49:29,266 --> 00:49:31,134
- [Kas] You know,
transitioning is like,
924
00:49:31,134 --> 00:49:32,602
it's a personal battle.
925
00:49:32,602 --> 00:49:34,871
And then it's also
a battle trying to
926
00:49:34,871 --> 00:49:36,473
represent yourself in society.
927
00:49:36,473 --> 00:49:39,876
And try to express
yourself without fear,
928
00:49:39,876 --> 00:49:43,547
the reassurance and safety
that we don't have to be scared
929
00:49:43,547 --> 00:49:44,381
to be ourselves.
930
00:49:46,149 --> 00:49:49,486
It sets a good precedent
for other, you know,
931
00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:53,156
demographics of Parliament
and also other countries even.
932
00:49:53,156 --> 00:49:56,059
I think it can apply
to everyone everywhere.
933
00:49:58,929 --> 00:50:00,797
- [Jane] One more
recommendations was, of course,
934
00:50:00,797 --> 00:50:04,368
to support the gay straight
alliances in schools
935
00:50:05,569 --> 00:50:09,306
and basically to beef
up the human rights code
936
00:50:09,306 --> 00:50:11,441
to include everybody.
937
00:50:11,441 --> 00:50:13,610
And so it was very
exciting to include
938
00:50:13,610 --> 00:50:16,480
gender identity and
gender expression.
939
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:24,488
- All right, so I'm actually
gonna be getting my,
940
00:50:25,422 --> 00:50:26,790
oh, what's the name of it?
941
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:28,291
Hysterectomy.
942
00:50:28,291 --> 00:50:29,793
I'm gonna be getting
that done soon.
943
00:50:29,793 --> 00:50:33,363
And that's where they remove
all the internal female parts.
944
00:50:33,363 --> 00:50:37,434
- Kian never got nervous,
which I found really odd.
945
00:50:37,434 --> 00:50:39,836
I was getting more nervous
just thinking about him
946
00:50:39,836 --> 00:50:42,039
and what he had to go through.
947
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:46,143
And trip out there, got him
up early in the morning.
948
00:50:46,143 --> 00:50:49,012
He was obviously
a little groggy,
949
00:50:49,012 --> 00:50:50,847
but he was doing just fine.
950
00:50:50,847 --> 00:50:54,885
- Getting ready to go to the
hospital, get my surgery.
951
00:50:54,885 --> 00:50:58,488
- [Lisa] And then they said,
when we got to the hospital,
952
00:50:58,488 --> 00:51:00,657
staff, they were
fantastic, by the way.
953
00:51:00,657 --> 00:51:02,325
Really, really
great people there.
954
00:51:02,325 --> 00:51:03,794
- [Krow] No one judged me.
955
00:51:03,794 --> 00:51:08,165
Actually the first nurse
to come when I was actually
956
00:51:09,466 --> 00:51:11,201
positioned in a proper
room, was a male nurse.
957
00:51:11,201 --> 00:51:14,171
And he was really
enthusiastic about
958
00:51:14,171 --> 00:51:15,672
me doing the changeover.
959
00:51:15,672 --> 00:51:17,741
And he's like, "Yeah,
I was wondering about,
960
00:51:17,741 --> 00:51:19,476
I looked at the patient
file and it was like,
961
00:51:19,476 --> 00:51:22,679
'Oh, a male, but in
for hysterectomy.'"
962
00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:24,081
And he was a little
confused about that.
963
00:51:24,081 --> 00:51:25,248
And then when he saw
me, he understood.
964
00:51:25,248 --> 00:51:26,817
He was like, "Oh, okay."
965
00:51:26,817 --> 00:51:29,486
And yeah, he was really
thought that I was changing
966
00:51:29,486 --> 00:51:31,822
for myself was really cool.
967
00:51:31,822 --> 00:51:33,190
And he was really
supportive of that.
968
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:34,691
So that was really
fun having that.
969
00:51:34,691 --> 00:51:36,927
I think, personally, it's
a risk that you should be
970
00:51:36,927 --> 00:51:40,497
willing to take if this
is what you really want.
971
00:51:40,497 --> 00:51:43,533
'Cause a lot of this comes
with being transgender,
972
00:51:43,533 --> 00:51:45,502
comes with the risk
of being judged.
973
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:50,006
Thus far, I haven't
been judged negatively.
974
00:51:50,006 --> 00:51:51,241
I've had a lot of people like,
975
00:51:51,241 --> 00:51:53,376
"Oh, but you make
such a pretty girl."
976
00:51:53,376 --> 00:51:57,347
And I'm like, "But I
also make a pretty man."
977
00:51:58,515 --> 00:52:00,584
Then they have this
weird, puffy heater.
978
00:52:02,385 --> 00:52:05,055
So, waiting to see the surgeon
979
00:52:05,055 --> 00:52:07,624
and get everything sorted out.
980
00:52:07,624 --> 00:52:09,359
- It wasn't that much
longer after that,
981
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:10,727
that they took him into surgery.
982
00:52:10,727 --> 00:52:12,462
And then it hit me
like a ton of bricks
983
00:52:12,462 --> 00:52:14,064
when it had just happened.
984
00:52:15,565 --> 00:52:18,635
Taking a deep breath, he's
just gone into surgery.
985
00:52:18,635 --> 00:52:20,704
So I'll let you
know how it went.
986
00:52:22,072 --> 00:52:24,374
When the surgery had happened
and Krow stayed overnight
987
00:52:24,374 --> 00:52:27,577
at the hospital and I went home.
988
00:52:27,577 --> 00:52:30,647
And I didn't have
to be on for him.
989
00:52:30,647 --> 00:52:33,550
I didn't have to be
making sure he was okay.
990
00:52:33,550 --> 00:52:35,719
I didn't have to do
all of these things.
991
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:36,553
Here come the tears.
992
00:52:39,456 --> 00:52:42,692
I sat back and poured
myself a drink.
993
00:52:45,428 --> 00:52:47,130
And I said goodbye
to my daughter.
994
00:52:48,131 --> 00:52:51,101
(soft piano music)
995
00:53:06,483 --> 00:53:08,485
And then I poured
myself a second drink.
996
00:53:08,485 --> 00:53:09,719
I said hello to my son.
997
00:53:12,322 --> 00:53:13,123
for a few hours now. ve be
998
00:53:16,092 --> 00:53:19,296
And yeah, everything's
been good.
999
00:53:19,296 --> 00:53:20,864
- He did just fine,
the doctor said.
1000
00:53:20,864 --> 00:53:23,266
The surgeon said that
everything went really,
1001
00:53:23,266 --> 00:53:25,368
really, really textbook.
1002
00:53:25,368 --> 00:53:27,938
- [Krow] So yeah,
it's been really good.
1003
00:53:27,938 --> 00:53:30,473
And they just do those
three small incisions
1004
00:53:30,473 --> 00:53:32,809
and they can take
out an entire organ.
1005
00:53:34,044 --> 00:53:35,845
Plus the little side extras.
1006
00:53:37,314 --> 00:53:39,816
- We'd even talked a little
bit about maybe saving eggs
1007
00:53:39,816 --> 00:53:43,653
and maybe in the future and
doing all of these things.
1008
00:53:43,653 --> 00:53:47,524
And the reality is, is
that neither one of us
1009
00:53:47,524 --> 00:53:51,328
is that important that it
is a bloodline going on.
1010
00:53:52,662 --> 00:53:55,832
If Kian is in the position
that he finds a man
1011
00:53:55,832 --> 00:53:59,169
that he loves and wants to
marry and they wanna raise
1012
00:53:59,169 --> 00:54:01,037
a family and they adopt kids,
1013
00:54:01,037 --> 00:54:04,174
or maybe his husband to
be has their own children,
1014
00:54:04,174 --> 00:54:05,575
or has his own children.
1015
00:54:05,575 --> 00:54:06,743
Who knows?
1016
00:54:06,743 --> 00:54:08,712
- Oh, she'll be
happy if I adopt,
1017
00:54:08,712 --> 00:54:11,181
because then she can
have like cute Korean
1018
00:54:11,181 --> 00:54:14,217
or Japanese grandson. (laughs)
1019
00:54:15,752 --> 00:54:17,854
That's one of the things that
even when I was modeling,
1020
00:54:17,854 --> 00:54:19,889
and I was like, "Oh my
God, look at all these
1021
00:54:19,889 --> 00:54:21,558
beautiful Korean stars."
1022
00:54:21,558 --> 00:54:23,893
And she was like, "Well,
I'm gonna have it.
1023
00:54:23,893 --> 00:54:27,030
I'm gonna have a Japanese or
Korean grandson, aren't I?"
1024
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:31,901
I'm like, "Probably, but might
not be from me." (laughs)
1025
00:54:33,370 --> 00:54:34,704
- There's no regrets.
1026
00:54:34,704 --> 00:54:37,240
This is the right
thing to do for him.
1027
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:40,677
There's no doubt in my mind.
1028
00:54:40,677 --> 00:54:42,078
I think he's doing
the right thing.
1029
00:54:42,078 --> 00:54:45,515
I've never seen my kid
so happy, so relaxed,
1030
00:54:47,017 --> 00:54:49,853
so comfortable in his own
skin as he is right now.
1031
00:54:49,853 --> 00:54:52,255
And each one of these
steps is just making that
1032
00:54:52,255 --> 00:54:55,225
happen even more so, yeah.
1033
00:54:55,225 --> 00:54:57,761
It's, you know, you do what
you do for your kid, right?
1034
00:55:02,098 --> 00:55:04,934
(soft guitar music)
1035
00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:09,906
- A lot of the songs
we write are about,
1036
00:55:09,906 --> 00:55:13,576
let's say love and loss,
struggle, overcoming struggle.
1037
00:55:13,576 --> 00:55:17,747
And in the end, just
kind of finding a peace.
1038
00:55:17,747 --> 00:55:21,751
♪ Go to sleep with
a restless mind ♪
1039
00:55:21,751 --> 00:55:25,755
♪ Broken thoughts keep
wasting my time, ♪
1040
00:55:25,755 --> 00:55:30,060
♪ Hold my head and
I drink instead ♪
1041
00:55:30,060 --> 00:55:34,931
♪ Blur the visions
of you in my head ♪
1042
00:55:36,299 --> 00:55:37,500
- [Emily] That's
a big thing for us
1043
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:38,802
is to just get our
music out there,
1044
00:55:38,802 --> 00:55:40,670
really share our
stories with them
1045
00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:44,107
because I don't think that
we're alone in how we feel.
1046
00:55:44,107 --> 00:55:46,776
Our songs are really a
story about those things.
1047
00:55:46,776 --> 00:55:49,346
So I think that it could
connect with a lot of people
1048
00:55:49,346 --> 00:55:51,181
and make an impact in some way.
1049
00:55:51,181 --> 00:55:54,484
♪ Promises and empty eyes
1050
00:55:54,484 --> 00:55:59,422
♪ We like to think we
were just killing time ♪
1051
00:56:06,162 --> 00:56:09,199
♪ When I get over you
1052
00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:14,304
♪ I will pretend we're
better off instead ♪
1053
00:56:15,038 --> 00:56:17,607
(soft guitar music)
1054
00:56:27,550 --> 00:56:28,818
- [Kas] The minute I saw Emily,
1055
00:56:28,818 --> 00:56:32,622
I just knew that this
person was different.
1056
00:56:32,622 --> 00:56:35,158
It was like love at first sight.
1057
00:56:35,158 --> 00:56:36,393
- I can't really explain it.
1058
00:56:36,393 --> 00:56:38,328
We were just drawn
to each other.
1059
00:56:38,328 --> 00:56:41,131
I have no words to explain it.
1060
00:56:41,131 --> 00:56:43,533
It's just honestly
kind of like magnets.
1061
00:56:43,533 --> 00:56:45,702
- I walked in and I was
just like, speechless.
1062
00:56:45,702 --> 00:56:49,672
- He like, walks in,
doesn't talk to me at all.
1063
00:56:49,672 --> 00:56:51,141
- Because I mean,
you think like,
1064
00:56:51,141 --> 00:56:53,176
"Beautiful girl, I'm making
an ass out of myself,
1065
00:56:53,176 --> 00:56:54,511
I need to leave."
1066
00:56:54,511 --> 00:56:56,212
And Emily thought I hated her.
1067
00:56:56,212 --> 00:57:00,917
- I thought that he was either
really shy or hated my guts.
1068
00:57:00,917 --> 00:57:02,051
- I thought she
thought I was an idiot.
1069
00:57:02,051 --> 00:57:04,554
And I was trying
to not, you know,
1070
00:57:04,554 --> 00:57:05,922
progress further down that road.
1071
00:57:05,922 --> 00:57:08,391
- For the first two
months that I knew him,
1072
00:57:08,391 --> 00:57:11,027
he would barely speak to me.
1073
00:57:11,027 --> 00:57:14,564
- And our first conversation
that we just kind of
1074
00:57:14,564 --> 00:57:16,566
really clicked was
we were at a party
1075
00:57:16,566 --> 00:57:19,035
and we both happened
to be there.
1076
00:57:19,035 --> 00:57:21,871
And we just had this like
long conversation about stars.
1077
00:57:21,871 --> 00:57:23,907
- We were talking about
the stars or something.
1078
00:57:23,907 --> 00:57:26,543
And that was the first time we
had ever had a conversation.
1079
00:57:26,543 --> 00:57:28,278
And that was the first
time he would ever
1080
00:57:28,278 --> 00:57:30,246
actually like, speak to me.
1081
00:57:30,246 --> 00:57:31,414
And then after that,
1082
00:57:31,414 --> 00:57:33,416
we just kind of
became inseparable.
1083
00:57:33,416 --> 00:57:34,884
- But after that
conversation we clicked
1084
00:57:34,884 --> 00:57:36,352
and then we just
had a ton in common
1085
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:39,088
and we were just kind
of finishing each
other's sentences.
1086
00:57:39,088 --> 00:57:42,058
- Yeah, it was then
that we kind of just
1087
00:57:42,058 --> 00:57:45,562
moved into a relationship
and it felt exactly
1088
00:57:45,562 --> 00:57:46,830
how it was supposed to go.
1089
00:57:49,465 --> 00:57:52,802
- [Kas] Well, the wedding
will be backyard barbecue,
1090
00:57:52,802 --> 00:57:54,304
but still kind of traditional.
1091
00:57:54,304 --> 00:57:56,406
So we're gonna be having
it on my parents' acreage
1092
00:57:56,406 --> 00:57:58,041
on Vancouver Island.
1093
00:57:58,041 --> 00:58:00,443
Just our family, our close
family and our close friends.
1094
00:58:00,443 --> 00:58:03,813
♪ I've always loved you
1095
00:58:03,813 --> 00:58:08,384
♪ From the day we met
1096
00:58:08,384 --> 00:58:11,921
♪ Your skin on mine darling
1097
00:58:11,921 --> 00:58:16,759
♪ Something I can't forget
1098
00:58:16,759 --> 00:58:21,130
♪ I'll always love you
1099
00:58:21,130 --> 00:58:24,834
♪ Even as we grow old
1100
00:58:24,834 --> 00:58:29,906
♪ Your eyes take me home
1101
00:58:30,673 --> 00:58:33,576
♪ Hold me down slow
1102
00:58:39,849 --> 00:58:42,318
- [Kas] Emily knew I was
trans from the very beginning,
1103
00:58:42,318 --> 00:58:43,987
obviously it has
never interfered
1104
00:58:43,987 --> 00:58:45,588
with our relationship at all.
1105
00:58:47,023 --> 00:58:49,959
- I think he had a harder
time with it than I did
1106
00:58:49,959 --> 00:58:51,628
in the beginning of
our relationship,
1107
00:58:51,628 --> 00:58:53,963
'cause he was scared
that I would leave.
1108
00:58:53,963 --> 00:58:57,000
And I think that had been
some of his experiences, too,
1109
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,304
previously, is that he was
like often compared to being
1110
00:59:01,304 --> 00:59:02,505
not enough of a man.
1111
00:59:02,505 --> 00:59:05,441
And to me, he was perfect.
1112
00:59:05,441 --> 00:59:07,677
- [Kas] But I'm so fortunate
that I have someone
1113
00:59:07,677 --> 00:59:10,146
who's so proud of the
fact that I'm trans
1114
00:59:10,146 --> 00:59:13,550
and so proud of the
fact that I am who I am.
1115
00:59:13,550 --> 00:59:15,218
And that does follow
straight through
1116
00:59:15,218 --> 00:59:16,986
her entire family as well.
1117
00:59:16,986 --> 00:59:20,657
- Emily is totally
in love with Kas.
1118
00:59:20,657 --> 00:59:23,993
When she met Kas she
phoned us and she said,
1119
00:59:23,993 --> 00:59:26,896
"Mom, I met this guy and
you're gonna totally,
1120
00:59:26,896 --> 00:59:28,231
totally fall in love with him.
1121
00:59:28,231 --> 00:59:31,834
And I've never felt
like I could be
1122
00:59:31,834 --> 00:59:36,806
more me with anybody."
1123
00:59:38,875 --> 00:59:40,677
- [Emily] My family
was ecstatic.
1124
00:59:41,711 --> 00:59:44,647
My mom, she loves him so much.
1125
00:59:44,647 --> 00:59:46,583
Like, sometimes I think
even more than me.
1126
00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:48,051
So it's just...
1127
00:59:48,051 --> 00:59:49,519
- I love Kas.
1128
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:50,853
- So do I.
1129
00:59:50,853 --> 00:59:52,055
I have nothing but
respect for the man.
1130
00:59:53,489 --> 00:59:57,994
He's a wonderful person and
I can't ask for anymore.
1131
01:00:00,029 --> 01:00:02,198
- [Officiant] Will you give
your children your blessing?
1132
01:00:02,198 --> 01:00:03,232
- Yes.
1133
01:00:03,232 --> 01:00:05,368
- [Officiant]
Awesome. Thank you.
1134
01:00:05,368 --> 01:00:10,206
You may use...(group laughs)
1135
01:00:11,841 --> 01:00:13,209
Family is really important
to both Emily and Kas.
1136
01:00:14,610 --> 01:00:16,179
(dog barks)
1137
01:00:16,179 --> 01:00:17,380
(group laughs)
1138
01:00:17,380 --> 01:00:18,982
Yes, and you're family too.
1139
01:00:20,183 --> 01:00:23,019
And join your left
hands and arms together
1140
01:00:23,019 --> 01:00:26,222
so that your wrists and
pulses are touching.
1141
01:00:26,222 --> 01:00:28,024
- [Michael] When Emily
came along and fell in love
1142
01:00:28,024 --> 01:00:30,960
with my son, I was
so proud and thrilled
1143
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,063
that my one concern I had
was that he'd found somebody
1144
01:00:34,063 --> 01:00:37,567
to love him as a human
being, as a man that he is.
1145
01:00:37,567 --> 01:00:39,902
I'm so proud of him.
1146
01:00:39,902 --> 01:00:43,706
It's just, I need
to understand him,
1147
01:00:44,907 --> 01:00:48,411
what he went through,
and I don't understand.
1148
01:00:48,411 --> 01:00:51,614
And honestly we need to talk
and talk lots, he and I,
1149
01:00:51,614 --> 01:00:52,915
about his experience.
1150
01:00:52,915 --> 01:00:54,717
I wanna listen to
him, everything,
1151
01:00:54,717 --> 01:00:56,619
the whole journey
he went through.
1152
01:00:58,087 --> 01:01:01,090
For me anyway, it's a continuing
education on transgender.
1153
01:01:01,090 --> 01:01:02,725
Whatever happens in the future,
1154
01:01:02,725 --> 01:01:04,227
we're gonna be
there for our kids.
1155
01:01:04,227 --> 01:01:09,065
And that's, as far as we are
concerned, is all that counts.
1156
01:01:10,566 --> 01:01:11,934
- You make me happier than
I ever thought I could be.
1157
01:01:11,934 --> 01:01:14,103
And I will spend
the rest of my life
1158
01:01:14,103 --> 01:01:16,806
trying to make you
feel the same way.
1159
01:01:16,806 --> 01:01:19,475
- [Emily] Kas, I vow to
always have your back,
1160
01:01:19,475 --> 01:01:21,944
to each day, show you
how much I love you.
1161
01:01:21,944 --> 01:01:24,447
I vow always be your
best friend, partner,
1162
01:01:24,447 --> 01:01:26,582
and number one supporter.
1163
01:01:26,582 --> 01:01:29,318
No matter what life throws our
way, I will always be yours.
1164
01:01:32,422 --> 01:01:35,091
- [Officiant] Emily
and Kas, it is my honor
1165
01:01:35,091 --> 01:01:38,294
and absolute delight
to now pronounce you
1166
01:01:38,294 --> 01:01:39,595
officially married.
1167
01:01:39,595 --> 01:01:40,530
(group cheers)
1168
01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:41,297
Begin it now with a kiss.
1169
01:01:45,301 --> 01:01:47,937
(group applauds)
1170
01:01:49,305 --> 01:01:54,110
♪ Hold me down slow
1171
01:01:54,877 --> 01:01:59,348
♪ Hold me down slow
1172
01:02:00,349 --> 01:02:04,954
♪ Hold me down slow
1173
01:02:05,788 --> 01:02:08,691
♪ Hold me down slow
1174
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:19,969
(soft vocalizing)
1175
01:02:33,049 --> 01:02:35,518
- [Krow] When I had
my chest surgery,
1176
01:02:35,518 --> 01:02:38,054
when it kept getting
rescheduled, and rescheduled,
1177
01:02:38,054 --> 01:02:42,125
and rescheduled, it was to
the point that I was like,
1178
01:02:44,494 --> 01:02:46,662
"If I don't get this
done before my birthday,
1179
01:02:46,662 --> 01:02:48,097
I'm just gonna take..."
1180
01:02:48,097 --> 01:02:50,900
I'm just like in such a frantic
state that I'm just gonna
1181
01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:53,236
take a knife to my chest
and just do it myself,
1182
01:02:53,236 --> 01:02:56,372
and have the hospital deal
with whatever repercussions.
1183
01:02:56,372 --> 01:02:58,241
- You don't wanna let
things get out of control,
1184
01:02:58,241 --> 01:02:59,408
'cause then you
have to take more.
1185
01:02:59,408 --> 01:03:02,245
And then the flip side
you don't wanna...
1186
01:03:03,446 --> 01:03:05,715
- [Krow] So it was
very taxing for me
1187
01:03:05,715 --> 01:03:10,553
to have to deal with such
intense body dysphoria
1188
01:03:10,553 --> 01:03:15,324
and hating myself physically
for such a long time.
1189
01:03:18,728 --> 01:03:21,531
And then having it be so
close that I can make a change
1190
01:03:21,531 --> 01:03:23,266
and then having it
be taken away from me
1191
01:03:23,266 --> 01:03:25,802
and taken away from me
over and over again.
1192
01:03:25,802 --> 01:03:28,437
- For some reason, something
seems like really lopsided
1193
01:03:28,437 --> 01:03:29,772
than everything else.
1194
01:03:33,276 --> 01:03:35,545
- [Krow] So yeah, I just,
I definitely got into some
1195
01:03:35,545 --> 01:03:40,249
bad head spaces in between, but
was able to pull through it.
1196
01:03:40,249 --> 01:03:41,717
Now this is the
real mushroom hair.
1197
01:03:41,717 --> 01:03:42,418
Bye, Mom.
1198
01:03:45,888 --> 01:03:48,758
(soft vocalizing)
1199
01:04:12,782 --> 01:04:15,952
(vocalizing continues)
1200
01:04:40,876 --> 01:04:41,711
Hey, look at you!
1201
01:04:41,711 --> 01:04:43,212
- How's it going?
1202
01:04:43,212 --> 01:04:45,948
- Got a new haircut
since the last I saw you.
1203
01:04:45,948 --> 01:04:46,816
Good to see you again.
1204
01:04:46,816 --> 01:04:47,884
- Nice to you too.
1205
01:04:47,884 --> 01:04:48,784
How was it?
1206
01:04:48,784 --> 01:04:50,319
- It was good.
1207
01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:53,022
I had to like reschedule
'cause I got an infection.
1208
01:04:53,022 --> 01:04:55,291
So that was really
annoying to deal with.
1209
01:04:55,291 --> 01:04:56,659
- [Kas] You've
waited long enough.
1210
01:04:56,659 --> 01:04:58,194
- Exactly.
1211
01:04:58,194 --> 01:04:59,629
- There's an emergency all
of a sudden you're like,
1212
01:04:59,629 --> 01:05:01,030
"That can't...like, I've already
got my hopes set on this."
1213
01:05:01,030 --> 01:05:03,566
- It's been two
years, let me have it.
1214
01:05:03,566 --> 01:05:05,334
- Like, how was it when
the bandages came off
1215
01:05:05,334 --> 01:05:07,670
and you saw your chest
for the first time?
1216
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:08,537
Amazing?
1217
01:05:08,537 --> 01:05:09,905
- Good. Yeah.
1218
01:05:09,905 --> 01:05:11,874
I mean, I still have like
a tiny hole in my nipple
1219
01:05:11,874 --> 01:05:14,243
'cause the stitch
like healed funny
1220
01:05:14,243 --> 01:05:15,711
and then it was stuck in there.
1221
01:05:15,711 --> 01:05:19,715
So I had to like get tweezers
and take it out, yeah.
1222
01:05:19,715 --> 01:05:20,916
- [Kas] That sounds awkward.
1223
01:05:20,916 --> 01:05:22,418
You don't have any
other scars, like?
1224
01:05:22,418 --> 01:05:25,521
- No, well aside I think that
the scars from the tubes,
1225
01:05:25,521 --> 01:05:27,523
so drainage tubes, those
are probably gonna be like,
1226
01:05:27,523 --> 01:05:29,558
more scar than
nipples themselves.
1227
01:05:29,558 --> 01:05:32,228
So, you know, so yeah.
1228
01:05:32,228 --> 01:05:35,364
How did you feel after your
whole surgery situation?
1229
01:05:37,667 --> 01:05:42,605
- (chuckles) I think I'm
stronger also personally
1230
01:05:42,605 --> 01:05:45,541
and like emotionally
after having endured it.
1231
01:05:45,541 --> 01:05:50,346
It was part of the process to
get to feeling great, right?
1232
01:05:51,547 --> 01:05:52,415
But I don't regret a
single second of it.
1233
01:05:53,883 --> 01:05:55,384
- [Krow] Yeah, it's hard to
regret something that like
1234
01:05:55,384 --> 01:05:57,219
has such a positive
impact on your life
1235
01:05:57,219 --> 01:05:58,454
- Yeah, that changes
your life long-term.
1236
01:05:58,454 --> 01:06:01,724
The small hardship
for the long-term
1237
01:06:01,724 --> 01:06:02,892
gain and benefit, right?
1238
01:06:02,892 --> 01:06:03,592
- [Krow] Oh yeah.
1239
01:06:05,594 --> 01:06:09,932
(soft vocalizing
and guitar music)
1240
01:06:43,733 --> 01:06:46,435
This is coming up to
almost three years
1241
01:06:46,435 --> 01:06:48,270
since I started testosterone,
1242
01:06:48,270 --> 01:06:50,606
but definitely three
years since I decided
1243
01:06:50,606 --> 01:06:54,010
to start transitioning and
just kind of go for it.
1244
01:06:54,010 --> 01:06:57,513
And I can definitely see a
large improvement in my life
1245
01:06:57,513 --> 01:06:59,949
and how I'm feeling,
how I feel about
1246
01:06:59,949 --> 01:07:01,283
how other people perceive me,
1247
01:07:01,283 --> 01:07:04,987
and just generally
living as a guy.
1248
01:07:04,987 --> 01:07:06,088
Hey.
1249
01:07:06,088 --> 01:07:07,790
- [Dexter] Hey, there he is.
1250
01:07:07,790 --> 01:07:08,624
- [Lacey] How are you?
1251
01:07:08,624 --> 01:07:09,325
- Doing good.
1252
01:07:09,325 --> 01:07:10,860
- It's good to see you.
1253
01:07:10,860 --> 01:07:13,162
- [Krow] I definitely view
myself as just a gay man
1254
01:07:13,162 --> 01:07:17,099
able to do or wear
whatever is obviously
1255
01:07:17,099 --> 01:07:18,601
like, socially acceptable.
1256
01:07:18,601 --> 01:07:21,637
But I think that it comes
more from a confidence
1257
01:07:21,637 --> 01:07:25,441
of being who I am and
comfortable with who I am
1258
01:07:25,441 --> 01:07:28,544
and who I'm presenting
as, versus before,
1259
01:07:28,544 --> 01:07:32,848
where I would be very like
afraid to be seen a certain way
1260
01:07:32,848 --> 01:07:34,683
or thought of as
a certain thing.
1261
01:07:36,385 --> 01:07:38,654
- The last time we were here
was this exact same space.
1262
01:07:38,654 --> 01:07:40,856
That was about two
and a half years ago.
1263
01:07:40,856 --> 01:07:43,059
I wanted to continue, you know,
1264
01:07:43,059 --> 01:07:44,393
something a little
bit different.
1265
01:07:44,393 --> 01:07:45,394
- Sweet.
1266
01:07:45,394 --> 01:07:46,629
- [Dexter] Let's go take a look.
1267
01:07:46,629 --> 01:07:47,997
How have you been?
- [Krow] Doing good.
1268
01:07:47,997 --> 01:07:49,498
- You better put on some weight.
1269
01:07:49,498 --> 01:07:52,034
- I'm attempting,
slowly but surely.
1270
01:07:53,502 --> 01:07:55,137
- [Lacey] So I really
kind of wanted to do more
1271
01:07:55,137 --> 01:07:56,972
of the street kind of vibe.
1272
01:07:56,972 --> 01:08:00,009
'Cause I think you have a really
good look to pull that off.
1273
01:08:00,009 --> 01:08:01,077
- What do you think?
1274
01:08:01,077 --> 01:08:02,178
- New and fresh?
1275
01:08:02,178 --> 01:08:03,512
- Yeah.
- Absolutely.
1276
01:08:03,512 --> 01:08:04,647
Well, something that you
know we've done before,
1277
01:08:04,647 --> 01:08:06,849
but now in, you know,
now we're doing it
1278
01:08:06,849 --> 01:08:08,150
with a whole new set of clothes.
1279
01:08:12,221 --> 01:08:13,989
and we'll get that
out of you today.
1280
01:08:13,989 --> 01:08:15,391
- Oh, hell yeah.
1281
01:08:15,391 --> 01:08:16,525
- I feel like it's based
around you a little bit.
1282
01:08:16,525 --> 01:08:18,194
'Cause you have a really
cool, unique style.
1283
01:08:18,194 --> 01:08:19,695
- Thank you.
1284
01:08:19,695 --> 01:08:20,596
- [Lacey] And I think you
can pull all this off.
1285
01:08:20,596 --> 01:08:23,065
Really cool pants.
1286
01:08:23,065 --> 01:08:24,700
- Oh yeah. I got
the white jeans.
1287
01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:26,702
(both laugh)
1288
01:08:26,702 --> 01:08:28,871
- [Lacey] Yeah, that's kind
of what I'm aiming for.
1289
01:08:28,871 --> 01:08:30,539
Awesome.
1290
01:08:30,539 --> 01:08:32,908
- So the biggest change that
I noticed from the last time
1291
01:08:32,908 --> 01:08:35,945
we worked together is
how happy you look.
1292
01:08:35,945 --> 01:08:40,716
You are radiating
happiness and confidence.
1293
01:08:40,716 --> 01:08:43,219
It really, really shows
and it's very nice to see.
1294
01:08:50,059 --> 01:08:51,794
- If he stands up straight.
1295
01:08:51,794 --> 01:08:54,563
If he stands up straight,
this'll be cut off.
1296
01:08:54,563 --> 01:08:57,900
So now you have her
to not piss off.
1297
01:08:57,900 --> 01:08:59,969
(laughs)
1298
01:08:59,969 --> 01:09:01,237
That's what you gotta do.
1299
01:09:02,738 --> 01:09:03,806
- Yo, yo yo.
1300
01:09:03,806 --> 01:09:05,708
- [Dexter] Think about
it in a very like,
1301
01:09:05,708 --> 01:09:08,711
"I don't give a
shit" kind of look.
1302
01:09:08,711 --> 01:09:10,779
It's not about, you
know, looking pretty
1303
01:09:10,779 --> 01:09:12,081
and that sort of thing.
1304
01:09:14,250 --> 01:09:16,318
Have this out.
- Lean back.
1305
01:09:16,318 --> 01:09:18,220
Yeah, lean back.
1306
01:09:18,220 --> 01:09:19,655
Do these kinds of movements.
1307
01:09:19,655 --> 01:09:21,824
And you can even
give me profile.
1308
01:09:21,824 --> 01:09:23,926
You don't have to look
at the camera every time,
1309
01:09:23,926 --> 01:09:27,096
but just make this be, you
know, an exercise for you
1310
01:09:27,096 --> 01:09:30,266
to just try and move
just like you did before.
1311
01:09:30,266 --> 01:09:31,567
But now it's a, you know...
1312
01:09:31,567 --> 01:09:32,935
- Now I feel a
kind of male side.
1313
01:09:32,935 --> 01:09:34,136
- [Dexter] Yeah.
- Yeah.
1314
01:09:35,971 --> 01:09:38,474
- [Dexter] You know it.
1315
01:09:38,474 --> 01:09:39,642
All right, here we go.
1316
01:09:40,676 --> 01:09:41,544
Okay. Good.
1317
01:09:42,611 --> 01:09:44,713
Keep moving, you're good.
1318
01:09:46,115 --> 01:09:47,416
Pissed off, like that.
1319
01:09:49,118 --> 01:09:49,952
Are these working?
1320
01:09:49,952 --> 01:09:50,819
- [Sonia] Dexter...
1321
01:09:50,819 --> 01:09:51,854
- [Lacey] Amazing.
1322
01:09:51,854 --> 01:09:54,189
- [Sonia] Your first
shot, as always.
1323
01:09:54,189 --> 01:09:55,157
Look at your first time.
1324
01:09:55,157 --> 01:09:55,958
- [Dexter] First frame wonder?
1325
01:09:55,958 --> 01:09:56,859
- What's the first shot?
1326
01:09:56,859 --> 01:09:58,194
- [Dexter] God damn you!
1327
01:09:58,194 --> 01:10:00,729
(group laughs)
1328
01:10:04,366 --> 01:10:06,602
See? Great shot.
1329
01:10:07,970 --> 01:10:08,971
- [Sonia] That is so good.
1330
01:10:08,971 --> 01:10:10,206
- [Krow] Looks great.
1331
01:10:10,206 --> 01:10:11,607
Oh yeah.
1332
01:10:11,607 --> 01:10:13,208
- Okay, well let's
all go home now.
1333
01:10:13,208 --> 01:10:14,276
(group laughs)
1334
01:10:14,276 --> 01:10:15,377
- [Lacey] Done and done.
1335
01:10:15,377 --> 01:10:17,012
- That looks fantastic.
1336
01:10:17,012 --> 01:10:18,981
Wow, what an amazing day.
1337
01:10:18,981 --> 01:10:20,482
An amazing day.
1338
01:10:20,482 --> 01:10:23,652
It was fantastic that
right off the first frame
1339
01:10:23,652 --> 01:10:25,521
we got the attitude
and that set the tone
1340
01:10:25,521 --> 01:10:26,855
for the entire day.
1341
01:10:29,959 --> 01:10:32,328
He was willing to unlearn
some of the things
1342
01:10:32,328 --> 01:10:34,196
that I was already
catching him doing.
1343
01:10:35,564 --> 01:10:38,467
He knew that he had to
unlearn a lot of those things.
1344
01:10:38,467 --> 01:10:41,170
So he was very willing
now that he's going after
1345
01:10:41,170 --> 01:10:42,471
the male model market.
1346
01:10:44,673 --> 01:10:46,508
Toward the end,
it was effortless.
1347
01:10:46,508 --> 01:10:48,744
At the end he knew
what he had to do.
1348
01:10:48,744 --> 01:10:50,646
He was more conscious
with it this time.
1349
01:10:51,747 --> 01:10:53,716
And I think that was
the breakthrough.
1350
01:10:56,852 --> 01:10:57,553
All right, ready?
1351
01:10:57,553 --> 01:10:58,487
One, two, three, go.
1352
01:10:59,688 --> 01:11:03,058
There was a lot riding
on this production.
1353
01:11:03,058 --> 01:11:05,527
These shots were crucial.
1354
01:11:05,527 --> 01:11:07,896
There had to be
something that would...
1355
01:11:07,896 --> 01:11:09,098
Actually, I like that.
1356
01:11:09,098 --> 01:11:10,532
Look down, look down,
look down, look down.
1357
01:11:10,532 --> 01:11:12,334
That would really
show his range.
1358
01:11:16,705 --> 01:11:20,109
Now you'll just be able to just
turn this on and off, right?
1359
01:11:20,109 --> 01:11:21,577
- [Krow] Yeah.
1360
01:11:21,577 --> 01:11:23,512
- And your value, you know,
in that, in that sense
1361
01:11:23,512 --> 01:11:24,713
will just skyrocket.
1362
01:11:31,553 --> 01:11:34,456
This is a beautiful,
cohesive story
1363
01:11:34,456 --> 01:11:36,292
all put together.
1364
01:11:36,292 --> 01:11:37,793
Look at this, the
steps that you've made.
1365
01:11:37,793 --> 01:11:40,296
This is all outside
your comfort zone.
1366
01:11:40,296 --> 01:11:41,397
Look at you.
1367
01:11:41,397 --> 01:11:42,698
(laughs)
1368
01:11:42,698 --> 01:11:43,632
What do you think, Mom?
- [Lisa] I love it.
1369
01:11:43,632 --> 01:11:44,500
- I absolutely love it, yeah.
1370
01:11:45,768 --> 01:11:48,304
- [Dexter] I think we
accomplished a great deal here.
1371
01:11:48,304 --> 01:11:50,406
This is exactly
what I had in mind,
1372
01:11:50,406 --> 01:11:51,540
but it's even better.
1373
01:11:51,540 --> 01:11:52,541
- I'm glad I could deliver.
1374
01:11:52,541 --> 01:11:54,443
- Yeah. Oh, this is fantastic.
1375
01:11:54,443 --> 01:11:57,780
I think we got a lot
of great stuff, right?
1376
01:11:57,780 --> 01:11:59,114
So good job.
1377
01:11:59,114 --> 01:12:00,082
- Thank you so much.
Fantastic work everybody.
1378
01:12:00,082 --> 01:12:00,949
(group claps)
1379
01:12:00,949 --> 01:12:01,817
- Thank you everyone.
1380
01:12:01,817 --> 01:12:04,253
- Yep. That's a wrap. Well done.
1381
01:12:04,253 --> 01:12:05,254
- [Krow] Thank you.
- Fantastic.
1382
01:12:05,254 --> 01:12:06,689
- [Krow] My happiness scale...
1383
01:12:08,924 --> 01:12:12,728
If I was at a two
in happiness before,
1384
01:12:16,598 --> 01:12:21,103
I'm probably at like a
25 out of 10. (laughs)
1385
01:12:21,103 --> 01:12:21,870
So...
1386
01:12:28,277 --> 01:12:31,080
(mellow R&B music)
1387
01:12:54,703 --> 01:12:55,971
- Hi.
1388
01:12:55,971 --> 01:12:57,039
- I'm Krow.
1389
01:12:57,039 --> 01:12:58,974
- Lovely to meet
you, I'm Liz Bell.
1390
01:12:58,974 --> 01:12:59,842
Come on through.
1391
01:13:01,810 --> 01:13:05,614
I wanted to meet you because
I have a great request
1392
01:13:05,614 --> 01:13:08,684
for an incredible show in Paris,
1393
01:13:08,684 --> 01:13:13,622
looking for trans men
for their actually,
1394
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:15,124
their women's show.
1395
01:13:16,225 --> 01:13:20,829
So they want a trans boy
who is transitioning.
1396
01:13:20,829 --> 01:13:23,332
I know you've finished
with your transition,
1397
01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:27,736
to wear men's clothes
in the women's show.
1398
01:13:27,736 --> 01:13:28,504
- Nice.
1399
01:13:34,143 --> 01:13:35,811
- [Liz] Okay, so we're
gonna head this way.
1400
01:13:35,811 --> 01:13:37,846
We'll start off by
doing the digitals.
1401
01:13:37,846 --> 01:13:40,849
They wanna see you
just the way you are
1402
01:13:40,849 --> 01:13:43,519
and then we'll do
a walking video.
1403
01:13:43,519 --> 01:13:45,654
So we're gonna start over here.
1404
01:13:46,855 --> 01:13:48,857
You've been doing
this a long time?
1405
01:13:48,857 --> 01:13:49,591
- Mhm.
1406
01:13:49,591 --> 01:13:50,893
- [Liz] You're seasoned.
1407
01:13:50,893 --> 01:13:51,593
- [Krow] Yeah.
1408
01:13:51,593 --> 01:13:52,494
- [Liz] Which is great.
1409
01:13:57,499 --> 01:13:59,067
This tank works so well.
1410
01:14:05,107 --> 01:14:06,675
- Oh, yes, lucky boy.
1411
01:14:06,675 --> 01:14:07,709
- Yeah, you see what I mean?
1412
01:14:07,709 --> 01:14:08,544
Isn't that perfect?
- Yeah.
1413
01:14:19,221 --> 01:14:20,389
- [Lisa] Bam, bam, bam.
1414
01:14:20,389 --> 01:14:21,223
Think in your head.
1415
01:14:21,223 --> 01:14:22,524
Bam, bam, bam.
1416
01:14:22,524 --> 01:14:25,427
All the way down,
strong and fast, okay?
1417
01:14:29,598 --> 01:14:31,633
What's gonna happen
moving forward
1418
01:14:31,633 --> 01:14:33,569
is I'm gonna put
together this material
1419
01:14:33,569 --> 01:14:35,103
and send it to the
casting director.
1420
01:14:36,371 --> 01:14:37,940
Okay. Let's see.
1421
01:14:37,940 --> 01:14:38,707
- All right.
1422
01:14:40,142 --> 01:14:45,080
Hopefully they
want to option you.
1423
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:45,914
- [Krow] Sweet.
1424
01:14:45,914 --> 01:14:47,749
- [Liz] Sweet. That's perfect.
1425
01:14:47,749 --> 01:14:49,251
It's such a pleasure
meeting you.
1426
01:14:49,251 --> 01:14:54,089
And I would love to represent
you as a model in Vancouver.
1427
01:14:55,557 --> 01:14:56,592
I'll be your mother agent and
place you around the world
1428
01:14:56,592 --> 01:14:57,726
and all that kind of stuff.
1429
01:14:57,726 --> 01:14:58,660
How does that sound to you?
1430
01:14:58,660 --> 01:14:59,928
- That sounds great.
1431
01:14:59,928 --> 01:15:00,762
- Fabulous.
1432
01:15:00,762 --> 01:15:01,997
Welcome to Liz Bell.
1433
01:15:01,997 --> 01:15:04,867
- Thank you very much. (laughs)
1434
01:15:21,683 --> 01:15:23,151
I'd like to thank my mom.
1435
01:15:24,620 --> 01:15:27,256
We were always very close,
even before I transitioned.
1436
01:15:27,256 --> 01:15:30,926
So having her support there,
like, really means a lot to me.
1437
01:15:30,926 --> 01:15:34,263
- This is the start of a whole
brand new career for you.
1438
01:15:34,263 --> 01:15:34,963
And Paris.
1439
01:15:37,032 --> 01:15:39,134
So you be safe, you have fun.
1440
01:15:39,134 --> 01:15:41,103
- [Krow] Yeah, it's been
amazing having her in my life
1441
01:15:41,103 --> 01:15:43,372
and having her just be
part of this whole process
1442
01:15:43,372 --> 01:15:44,640
and this whole transition.
1443
01:15:46,975 --> 01:15:49,077
Just loving me for who I am.
1444
01:15:51,380 --> 01:15:54,082
(soft vocalizing)
1445
01:15:55,984 --> 01:15:59,021
When I transitioned,
I was doing it for me.
1446
01:15:59,021 --> 01:16:02,991
And that meant that if I had
to cut people out of my life
1447
01:16:02,991 --> 01:16:05,861
so that I could survive,
so that I could be happy
1448
01:16:05,861 --> 01:16:08,530
with my life, that's the
decision I had to make.
1449
01:16:09,498 --> 01:16:11,166
It was a big decision.
1450
01:16:15,837 --> 01:16:19,207
(mellow electronic music)
1451
01:16:22,010 --> 01:16:25,514
I don't know if you can see
in the very, very far corner
1452
01:16:25,514 --> 01:16:30,352
right over there, but yeah,
that's the Eiffel Tower.
1453
01:16:30,352 --> 01:16:31,219
I'm in Paris.
1454
01:16:37,993 --> 01:16:40,395
Gonna do a little
exploring around
1455
01:16:40,395 --> 01:16:43,231
and then I still have
the casting to go to.
1456
01:16:44,866 --> 01:16:47,836
(music continues)
1457
01:16:59,281 --> 01:17:01,583
So I don't really have
any anxieties about
1458
01:17:01,583 --> 01:17:03,719
trying to be a male model.
1459
01:17:04,886 --> 01:17:07,222
I don't know if
it'll go well or not,
1460
01:17:07,222 --> 01:17:10,158
but still gonna go in
and hope for the best.
1461
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,196
- Hey, welcome to Paris.
1462
01:17:15,263 --> 01:17:15,931
- Great to see you.
1463
01:17:15,931 --> 01:17:17,265
- Oh, great to see you.
1464
01:17:17,265 --> 01:17:18,233
Your big day.
1465
01:17:18,233 --> 01:17:20,235
- I know, right?
1466
01:17:20,235 --> 01:17:24,039
- Yeah, like your first
big thing as a male model.
1467
01:17:24,039 --> 01:17:25,440
Like, it can't get better.
1468
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:27,242
Louis Vuitton, can you imagine?
1469
01:17:27,242 --> 01:17:30,379
They had let me know that
you're gonna be doing
1470
01:17:30,379 --> 01:17:33,548
like makeup tests, hair
tests, things like that,
1471
01:17:33,548 --> 01:17:35,083
and then looks.
1472
01:17:35,083 --> 01:17:36,952
And then you'll
walk and show them.
1473
01:17:36,952 --> 01:17:40,956
So walk like with that
power we talked about.
1474
01:17:40,956 --> 01:17:41,723
- Yeah.
1475
01:17:41,723 --> 01:17:42,758
- So we'll go in.
1476
01:17:42,758 --> 01:17:43,892
- [Krow] All right, sounds good.
1477
01:17:55,937 --> 01:18:00,509
So I went to the job
interview and I got it.
1478
01:18:00,509 --> 01:18:05,147
I'm gonna be walking in
Fashion Week for Louis Vuitton.
1479
01:18:06,481 --> 01:18:10,085
So yeah, like, wow!
1480
01:18:12,154 --> 01:18:15,023
I don't know how many other
trans men are gonna be there.
1481
01:18:15,023 --> 01:18:18,326
So I could be one of a couple.
1482
01:18:18,326 --> 01:18:20,829
I could be just one.
1483
01:18:20,829 --> 01:18:23,832
I don't know yet.
1484
01:18:23,832 --> 01:18:26,468
When I was doing the
rehearsal, actually,
1485
01:18:26,468 --> 01:18:29,471
it was funny 'cause
they had us do it twice.
1486
01:18:29,471 --> 01:18:32,274
Once in the outfit and then
before the hair and makeup
1487
01:18:32,274 --> 01:18:34,843
and then once after
the hair and makeup.
1488
01:18:34,843 --> 01:18:36,511
And both times when
I was doing the walk,
1489
01:18:36,511 --> 01:18:38,513
they were saying like,
"Oh my God, amazing,
1490
01:18:38,513 --> 01:18:40,048
fabulous, fantastic."
1491
01:18:40,048 --> 01:18:41,550
Like, they were just like
throwing out compliments
1492
01:18:41,550 --> 01:18:44,720
and I had to like maintain
my neutral expression
1493
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,455
and not smile.
1494
01:18:46,455 --> 01:18:49,324
But yeah, I was like, "Oh my
God, I'm so glad they like it."
1495
01:18:52,060 --> 01:18:53,361
The last time that I walked,
1496
01:18:53,361 --> 01:18:55,564
I wasn't even 18
yet at that point.
1497
01:18:55,564 --> 01:18:58,333
And I'm 22, almost 23 now.
1498
01:18:58,333 --> 01:19:01,036
It's interesting being
comfortable after three years
1499
01:19:01,036 --> 01:19:04,272
in this body, to be able
to like move the right way.
1500
01:19:06,308 --> 01:19:07,843
Luckily I don't have
to deal with heels.
1501
01:19:07,843 --> 01:19:11,847
So, thank God I'm not a female
model right now. (laughs)
1502
01:19:17,752 --> 01:19:20,856
(bright vocal music)
1503
01:19:48,216 --> 01:19:51,219
Starting as a female
model at 12 years old
1504
01:19:51,219 --> 01:19:55,423
and then stopping
after just reaching 18,
1505
01:19:55,423 --> 01:19:58,360
and then being able to switch
over and become a male model,
1506
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:03,198
and have Louis Vuitton as
my first like real job,
1507
01:20:03,198 --> 01:20:05,233
just like out there, amazing.
1508
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,142
- [Reporter] Spike! Spike!
1509
01:20:14,142 --> 01:20:16,912
Look here for one
minute, please.
1510
01:20:21,817 --> 01:20:24,786
(cameras snapping)
1511
01:20:25,754 --> 01:20:28,790
(paparazzi yelling)
1512
01:20:41,770 --> 01:20:45,307
(rhythmic electronic music)
1513
01:21:14,369 --> 01:21:15,770
The opportunity
that this presents
1514
01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:17,639
and to be like
that big of a bang
1515
01:21:17,639 --> 01:21:20,508
in the fashion world
to start with, wow!
1516
01:21:22,043 --> 01:21:24,980
(music continues)
1517
01:21:32,887 --> 01:21:35,957
(audience applauds)
1518
01:21:39,828 --> 01:21:41,997
- [Model] I enjoy fashion.
1519
01:21:45,533 --> 01:21:47,302
- [Photographer]
Thank you so much.
1520
01:21:50,005 --> 01:21:51,306
- [Krow] Whatever you wanna do,
1521
01:21:51,306 --> 01:21:53,174
it doesn't matter
what your job is
1522
01:21:53,174 --> 01:21:55,310
or what your career path
that you wanna take,
1523
01:21:55,310 --> 01:21:56,878
your gender doesn't matter.
1524
01:21:57,879 --> 01:21:59,514
You know, you can change over.
1525
01:21:59,514 --> 01:22:00,949
You can be in between.
1526
01:22:04,886 --> 01:22:07,489
So what I'd like to say to
the transgender community
1527
01:22:07,489 --> 01:22:11,326
is that it doesn't matter
whether you're male,
1528
01:22:16,064 --> 01:22:21,169
female, in between, you can
make your dreams come true.
1529
01:22:23,605 --> 01:22:27,075
Just keep trying, never
give up. (chuckles)
1530
01:22:27,075 --> 01:22:31,546
And you could be here doing
this, doing whatever you want.
1531
01:22:40,422 --> 01:22:42,891
Oh... (laughs)
1532
01:22:45,393 --> 01:22:47,395
- [Liz] Jessica's gonna
come and give you a hug.
1533
01:22:47,395 --> 01:22:49,264
- [Krow] Absolutely. (laughs)
1534
01:22:49,264 --> 01:22:50,065
- [Jessica] It's
been a great pleasure
1535
01:22:50,065 --> 01:22:52,067
to work with you Krow.
1536
01:22:53,201 --> 01:22:55,036
You're so inspiring
to all of us.
1537
01:22:55,036 --> 01:22:56,438
- [Krow] Thank you so much.
1538
01:22:56,438 --> 01:22:59,574
- Working with you, My
first runway way with you,
1539
01:22:59,574 --> 01:23:01,476
it's been great.
1540
01:23:01,476 --> 01:23:03,645
You're so inspiring
to me, really.
1541
01:23:03,645 --> 01:23:05,947
I hope that you get to
be really happy, okay?
1542
01:23:05,947 --> 01:23:06,815
- [Krow] Thank you so much.
1543
01:23:06,815 --> 01:23:08,116
- Really.
1544
01:23:08,116 --> 01:23:09,984
I hope that we can work
together later, okay?
1545
01:23:09,984 --> 01:23:11,720
- Absolutely.
1546
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:13,121
And hey, maybe we'll walk on
Men's Fashion Week together.
1547
01:23:13,121 --> 01:23:14,989
- Maybe we can walk on
Men's Fashion together.
1548
01:23:14,989 --> 01:23:16,391
- Yeah.
1549
01:23:16,391 --> 01:23:17,292
- Maybe I will be
a male, by then.
1550
01:23:17,292 --> 01:23:17,993
- Yeah!
1551
01:23:17,993 --> 01:23:19,461
Who knows, right?
1552
01:23:19,461 --> 01:23:20,295
- I know, right?
1553
01:23:20,295 --> 01:23:20,996
Oh man.
1554
01:23:20,996 --> 01:23:21,896
- I love you.
1555
01:23:21,896 --> 01:23:23,431
- Thank you so much.
1556
01:23:23,431 --> 01:23:26,001
- Keep on being so strong,
you're a hope to everyone else.
1557
01:23:26,001 --> 01:23:28,636
Think about all the people
who doesn't have that strength
1558
01:23:28,636 --> 01:23:32,474
to be free, doesn't
have that strength
1559
01:23:32,474 --> 01:23:35,276
to just face everyone's opinion
1560
01:23:35,276 --> 01:23:39,014
and everyone's bad
feelings about us.
1561
01:23:39,014 --> 01:23:40,315
We just need to be humans.
1562
01:23:40,315 --> 01:23:42,283
That's what we need to be.
1563
01:23:42,283 --> 01:23:45,453
Gender doesn't matter,
we are all humans.
1564
01:23:45,453 --> 01:23:48,089
And you're so inspiring
for all of us.
1565
01:23:48,089 --> 01:23:50,125
- [Krow] Thank you so much.
1566
01:23:50,125 --> 01:23:51,793
- Louis Vuitton is
the best, right?
1567
01:23:51,793 --> 01:23:52,594
- [Krow] I know, right?
1568
01:23:52,594 --> 01:23:53,928
- It made us free.
1569
01:23:57,632 --> 01:24:02,570
for people like me, who's
not yet in transition,
1570
01:24:03,438 --> 01:24:05,640
gives us a chance to be free.
1571
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:06,441
And that's amazing.
1572
01:24:07,642 --> 01:24:08,943
- Awesome.
1573
01:24:09,477 --> 01:24:11,546
- [Jane] I rise to
support the motion
1574
01:24:11,546 --> 01:24:14,482
that this house
supports SOGI 123
1575
01:24:14,482 --> 01:24:16,618
within our schools
to help create safe
1576
01:24:16,618 --> 01:24:19,187
and inclusive
learning environments.
1577
01:24:19,187 --> 01:24:21,489
- Trans kids exist,
we know that.
1578
01:24:21,489 --> 01:24:23,858
And to pretend that they
would just cease to exist
1579
01:24:23,858 --> 01:24:26,828
if we didn't talk about
them, it's just baloney.
1580
01:24:26,828 --> 01:24:29,597
It's bogus, it deserves
no place in this debate.
1581
01:24:34,969 --> 01:24:37,572
- Because it's amazing seeing
that there's this many people
1582
01:24:37,572 --> 01:24:40,241
who would take their time
so that they can help others
1583
01:24:40,241 --> 01:24:42,477
feel comfortable in the
space that they share.
1584
01:24:44,846 --> 01:24:48,183
(upbeat saxophone music)
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