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President's car is now
turning onto Elm Street,
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and it will be only a matter of minutes
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before he arrives at the Trade Mart.
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It--it a--it appears as though
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something has happened
in the motorcade route.
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Something, I repeat, has happened
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in the motorcade route.
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This is Walter Cronkite in our newsroom,
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and there has been an attempt,
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as perhaps you know now, on
the life of President Kennedy.
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It was the first time
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that the public had seen
a murder on television.
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We heard Kennedy had been shot
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and he was being brought
to the emergency room
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at Parkland Hospital.
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Within minutes
of seeing President Kennedy,
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doctors at Parkland concluded
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that the neck wound was an entrance wound
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and the head wound was an exit wound.
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My president had been
assassinated and was dead.
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My goodness, you've just
taken care of the president,
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and he's dead.
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Did that really happen,
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or was this a nightmare?
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My God.
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Parkland Hospital doctors were quoted
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as saying they thought
at least one bullet entered
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Mr. Kennedy's neck from the front.
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The Parkland doctors were
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a serious problem for the U.S. government
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because they had provided evidence
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that there was a shooter
somewhere in the front,
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and that ran totally contrary
to the official narrative
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of a lone shooter from above and behind.
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All this mattered,
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because Oswald had
to have had an accomplice.
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The government narrative is
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that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone...
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Killing President Kennedy, case closed.
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And as we know, it was not case closed
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at that particular point.
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Who was behind all of this?
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Certain people in our government tampered
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with critical evidence
in order to make sure
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the American people would not
know the truth
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about who murdered the president.
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Documents are withheld
by the FBI, the CIA.
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Intelligence agencies did
all the wrong things
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if they were looking for conspiracy.
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A lot of people just decided
to keep their mouths shut,
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including the Parkland doctors.
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I didn't want to be a target
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for those who had killed our president.
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So I didn't tell anybody for over 30 years
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that I was present in Trauma Room 1.
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Because so many people did die
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who had been involved
in the assassination.
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And he said, you must never, ever say that
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that was an entrance wound again
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if you know what's good for you.
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What actually happened in
Trauma Room 1 never came out,
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never became public.
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I was there.
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I know what I saw.
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I was there.
I remember it in detail.
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It's etched in my memory forever.
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What's more likely,
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Parkland doctors telling the truth
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or the autopsy telling the truth?
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The Parkland doctors told the truth.
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These doctors are about
as trustworthy as you can get.
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This country has not been told the truth
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about the JFK assassination.
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Will people feel that they have
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a better understanding
of what actually happened?
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Absolutely.
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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
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This is Bob Walker speaking
from Dallas Love Field,
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where a large crowd is
gathered now to await
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the arrival of President and
Mrs. John Fitzgerald Kennedy
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from Carswell Air Force Base
in Fort Worth.
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We were aware
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that the president was coming to Dallas.
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It had been well publicized.
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Police were circling
the field all morning long
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from the early morning hours,
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and a huge contingent
of police are on hand.
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Next big jet approaching,
and this one should contain
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the president and Mrs. Kennedy.
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Here comes Jack!
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He was like a rock star.
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He was handsome and rich.
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He had a pretty wife.
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I liked him.
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I thought he was really cool.
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Right into us now.
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And the crowd below is cheering.
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There's Mrs. Kennedy
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and the President of the United States.
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And I can see his suntan
all the way from here.
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Crowd waving, as you can see.
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People standing up
all over everything available
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to get a glimpse
of the president and his wife.
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Oh, I idolized him.
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I was a Democrat, of course.
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And he's broken away from his plan
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and gone right up to the fence
to shake hands with people.
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Boy, this is something.
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It makes the eggshells even thinner
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for the Secret Service, whose job it is
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to guard the man.
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I was very excited that the president
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and Jacqueline Kennedy were
coming to Dallas.
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And I was sorry that I was
on call at Parkland
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because I wanted to go down
and see the parade.
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And back they go to the car.
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The Governor Connally standing
in the car beaming.
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Now the motorcade will
very shortly start to move out
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for downtown Dallas,
where thousands should already
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be on the street right now
waiting for a view
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of the president and his wife.
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The route of the location of the parade
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had been published in the paper
two or three days before.
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So everyone knew the route.
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And that's the reason that
there were so many thousands
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of people standing on the streets.
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There was some discussion as to whether
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it was really good for him
to come to Dallas.
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And here is the President
of the United States.
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And what a crowd.
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What a tremendous welcome
he's getting now.
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We can--and there's Jackie.
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She's getting just as big a welcome.
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There is Lyndon Johnson
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and Lady Bird passing by
in the second car.
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And the crowd is absolutely going wild.
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This is a friendly crowd
in downtown Dallas.
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So my wife and children,
with everybody else, went out,
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and when the little motorcade coming by,
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they saw this crowd of people,
and they slowed down,
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and Kennedy waved at them.
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President's car is now
turning onto Elm Street,
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and it will be only a matter of minutes
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before he arrives at the Trade Mart.
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I was on Stemmons Freeway earlier,
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and even the freeway was
jam-packed with spectators.
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Yes, we were all aware
that he was coming to Dallas.
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I think the whole city was
excited about it
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one way or another.
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Certainly, a lot of the people
were very excited
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and made great preparation
for him to come.
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And thousands and thousands
of people who were
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crowding the streets here
are following the motorcade
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even further down Main Street
towards Stemmons Freeway.
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A wonderful welcome having been given
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to the president here in downtown Dallas.
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It--it a--
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The first time that I suspected
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that some major event had occurred
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was when the operator was paging
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through the loudspeaker system,
"The president's been shot,
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and they're bringing him
to the emergency room."
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They've called from the emergency room,
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said that they're bringing
President Kennedy in.
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He'd been shot.
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There was a bunch
of other top-notch people
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that were being paged.
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The nurse ran in and said,
"The president has been shot."
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I ran downstairs as fast as I could
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and went into
Trauma Room number 1.
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We heard
Kennedy had been shot
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and he was being brought
to the emergency room
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at Parkland Hospital.
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When I heard that, ran down
three flights of stairs
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into the main corridor.
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And that's when you get
this tremendous rush
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of adrenaline in your body.
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And I thought, oh,
it's gonna be like John Wayne.
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He'll be sitting on the gurney,
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and he'll be like, you know,
oh, it's only a flesh wound.
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You know, I had no idea.
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The first reports say that
President Kennedy has been
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seriously wounded by this shooting.
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Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
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You'll excuse the fact
that I'm out of breath,
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but about 10 or 15 minutes ago,
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a tragic thing, from all
indications at this point,
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has happened in the city of Dallas.
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Let me quote to you this.
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"President Kennedy
and Governor John Connally have
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"been cut down by assassins'
bullets in Downtown Dallas.
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"They were riding in an open automobile
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"when the shots were fired.
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"The president, his limp body carried
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"in the arms of his wife,
Jacqueline,
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has rushed to Parkland Hospital."
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I would have expected them
to bring him to Parkland.
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First of all, it was probably
the closest hospital,
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but it was the number one trauma hospital
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in that part of the country.
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Parkland is the designated trauma center
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for all of the greater
Dallas-Fort Worth area.
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I had taken care of,
already, hundreds of patients
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with gunshot wounds and
injuries and car accidents.
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We were seeing two to three
gunshot wounds a day,
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plus stab wounds,
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plus blunt trauma,
such as automobile accidents.
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And we were seeing
about 5,000 a year of those.
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That's where I would have wanted to be
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if that had happened to me.
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There's no doubt about that.
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Parkland's well-known for their care
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in those kind of emergencies,
and that's what they do best.
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Within a half a minute,
door came flying open,
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and here came the gurney with Jackie
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and the two
Secret Service guys,
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and had a terribly wounded man
on their hands.
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The president was being
wheeled on the gurney
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towards Trauma Room 1.
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I remember the Secret Service men
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and the look on their face,
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if you can imagine how relieved they were
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to pass off the mortally wounded president
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to the doctors to take care of him.
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And you just feel
a flush coming over your body,
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and you think, my goodness,
I'm about to take care
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of the President of the United States.
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When I first walked into Trauma Room 1
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and saw the president,
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the president was on a cart.
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He had his arms out there
ready to be resuscitated.
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I was looking at him, thinking,
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he's not going to make it probably.
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But you really need to get
an airway and an IV going,
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then do your examination.
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And that's what we did.
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Dr. Carrico was the second-year resident
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in charge of the emergency room,
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and he was attempting
to intubate the president,
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putting a tube into the windpipe.
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There had been an attempt
by a couple of junior residents
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to get an IV going, but because he was
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in such profound shock,
the veins were collapsed.
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But I made a little nick in the vein
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and bare-handedly threaded
the catheter in.
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And they said, Goldstrich,
go get the defibrillator.
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So I ran out of the room and got it out
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and pushed it as hard
as I could on the wheels
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and got it back there.
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And I'm thinking, you know,
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maybe this is gonna save his life.
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I was just a fourth-year medical student.
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I was never the guy in charge.
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We took over as more senior personnel,
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and Dr. Malcolm Perry was
really the staff person
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that seemed to subsequently be the one
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that was looked as to being
the lead surgeon
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that cared for President Kennedy.
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The next person that I recall coming in
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was Dr. Bob McClelland.
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Dr. Perry and Dr. Baxter had just walked
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into that room ahead of me.
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And Dr. Perry was standing
on the right side
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of the cart the president was lying on,
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Dr. Baxter opposite him on the left side.
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So they motioned me on through.
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And I pushed the door open
to Trauma Room 1,
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walked by Mrs. Kennedy,
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and was greeted by the horrific sight
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of President Kennedy lying
on his back on a cart
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with an operating room light shining down
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on his bloody head.
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And I've still got that fixed
in my mind to this moment.
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The most dramatic things to me were
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the chaos in the emergency room,
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the Secret Service with their machine guns
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looking around frantically,
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the president lying on a surgical bed,
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and with Mrs. Kennedy sitting by
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with the flecks of the president's brain
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on her skirt.
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The whole atmosphere together
was very chaotic.
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The emergency room nurse,
Doris Nelson,
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was letting people in,
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and there was a policeman
or a Secret Service agent.
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I'm not sure which.
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That pit area was jammed
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with men in business suits,
shoulder to shoulder.
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And this uniformed man had just sort of
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unobtrusively slipped in.
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And I noticed that
handcuffed to his left wrist
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was a briefcase.
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And someone says, there's
the man with the nuclear codes.
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We were maybe thinking
this was the first stage
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of some kind of Russian attack or whatnot.
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What was a wonderful welcome
in downtown Dallas
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has become a scene of indescribable horror
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as hundreds of people crowd
outside the back door
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to the emergency room
here at Parkland Hospital.
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And people are wondering,
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is our president going to live?
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There is no certain road
to the presidency.
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There are no guarantees.
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The question really is,
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which candidate can meet the problems
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that the United States is
going to face in the '60s?
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I do not believe that any of us
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would exchange places
with any other people
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or any other generation.
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The energy, the faith, the devotion
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which we bring to this endeavor
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will light our country
and all who serve it.
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And the glow from that fire
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can truly light the world.
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We were talking about him that morning--
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the charisma that he created
and the new excitement
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that he was presenting for our country.
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I remember thinking,
this is really historical.
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I'm in the middle
of something really historical.
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This is the president, and I remember
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there was no expression,
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there was no movement of his face.
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His eyes were open,
and it was an impressive view
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that I'll never forget,
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because here was my hero,
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and it was a very sad situation.
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The first thing I noticed
was a very small wound
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in his neck in the front.
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I do remember that very early on,
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even when his clothes were still on,
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I saw the wound in his neck.
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We could tell that the wound
was in the front of the neck
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just above where the shirt and tie was.
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So it was visible to you.
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In my own mind,
the wound was pretty small,
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maybe a nickel, maybe a dime.
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And that small wound,
Malcolm originally thought
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it must be an entrance wound
because it was so small.
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And as I walked by, Dr. Perry
leaned across the president
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and handed me
a surgical retractor and said,
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Bob, would you go and stand
at the head of the cart
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and lean over and put
that retractor in the wound
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and pull it open so he
and Dr. Baxter could look down
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into the wound and see
what they needed to see.
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I saw Dr. Perry make the cut
right through the wound
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that we thought was an entrance wound.
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So Dr. Perry expanded this,
and we helped retract
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and helped hold things
and inserted the tube
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and got an airway control.
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We were trying to save our president.
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And we were trying to do
everything we could
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to save him.
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The thing that really hit me
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when I got to the head of the cart
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was the wound in the back of his head.
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I said, my God, have you seen
the back of his head?
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It's gone.
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What was striking, even more than Kennedy,
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was Mrs. Kennedy with blood splotched
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all over her pink coat.
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And that was kind of startling
to see her like that.
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As I recall,
Mrs. Kennedy was not emotional.
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My impression was that
she knew this could happen,
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and it had happened,
and she was prepared for it.
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Everyone should be trying to help Jack
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in whatever way they could,
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and that was the way
I could do it the best,
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by making it always
a climate of affection.
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I was really focused
on Jacqueline Kennedy.
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She took the center of attention
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because she was a beautiful lady
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in a dramatic, very distraught condition.
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But she was still very much
in command of herself
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and was not weeping or hysterical
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or anything as people might imagine.
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I do not think it altogether inappropriate
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to introduce myself to this audience.
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I am the man who accompanied
Jacqueline Kennedy to Paris.
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And I've enjoyed it.
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She had this pink suit on,
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and I wondered why she wore a pink suit
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with the red gloves.
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And of course, looking a little closer,
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you could see that the red
gloves were actually blood,
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and it was on her hands.
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She was splattered with blood,
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and I usually don't say this
because it's a bit gruesome,
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was gray matter was brain.
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Mrs. Kennedy, when she first came in
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with the president to Trauma Room 1,
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she was holding a large segment
of his cerebrum in her hand
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and handed it to Dr. Jenkins
when she came in.
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In fact, you've seen those pictures
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when she's climbing back
onto the rear of the car.
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People wonder why she was
retaining this piece of brain
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that had been blown out
of the president's head
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onto the rear deck of the limousine.
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And she was crawling back and came in
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with that piece of brain in her hand
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and handed it to Dr. Jenkins.
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He had a major wound
of his right side of his head
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that was wide-open
with brain and loss of skull
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and with the whole scalp peeled back.
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So it was a horrendous wound,
and it was obvious
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that probably, this was a lethal wound.
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I could look down at Kennedy,
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00:23:04,784 --> 00:23:06,435
and it was apparent
that the top of his head
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looked like it was blown off.
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It was all bloody.
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And at that instant,
I felt like
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he was already dead when I saw him.
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The back half of his right
cerebral hemisphere was gone.
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And as I stood there, the right half
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of the cerebellum fell out of that hole
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in the back of his head onto the cart.
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So this was obvious that this
was a mortal--a fatal wound.
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My initial impression, seeing two wounds,
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was, how would you put it together?
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Well, a small wound here,
a big wound back here.
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We thought that there was
an entrance wound in the neck
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and an exit wound in the back of the head
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00:23:47,059 --> 00:23:49,244
at that particular time,
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because I've seen a fair
number of gunshot wounds,
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and usually the entrance wound is smaller
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than the exit wound.
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I thought that he had a lethal injury.
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00:24:00,707 --> 00:24:03,959
But I felt that you never know.
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00:24:04,043 --> 00:24:06,128
So, you know, here's our president.
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00:24:06,212 --> 00:24:08,347
So let's do everything we can.
430
00:24:10,817 --> 00:24:13,802
We were probably 10 or 12 minutes
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00:24:13,886 --> 00:24:15,538
into the resuscitation.
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We'd done the tracheotomy.
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00:24:22,862 --> 00:24:24,212
We'd gotten the IV going.
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We'd put in two chest tubes.
435
00:24:26,098 --> 00:24:28,116
And we had gotten the heart tracing.
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00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,954
By that time, we got the EKG machine in,
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00:24:32,038 --> 00:24:33,689
and there was just a straight line.
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00:24:33,773 --> 00:24:34,823
A straight line.
439
00:24:34,907 --> 00:24:36,258
A straight line.
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00:24:42,682 --> 00:24:46,334
He then obviously wasn't
breathing on his own at all.
441
00:24:46,418 --> 00:24:51,540
His head was cradled
in Dr. Jenkins' hands,
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00:24:51,624 --> 00:24:56,829
and he murmured to me,
"Last rites, last rites."
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A call has been sent out
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00:25:00,166 --> 00:25:02,918
from some of the top
surgical specialists in Dallas,
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00:25:03,002 --> 00:25:06,722
and a call also went out for a priest.
446
00:25:09,441 --> 00:25:12,495
And so we all agreed
we should pronounce him,
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and officially,
we would have Dr. Kemp Clark
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make that announcement.
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00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:18,701
Dr. Clark took the responsibility
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because it was primarily a brain injury,
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00:25:20,887 --> 00:25:22,638
and he's a neurosurgeon.
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00:25:22,722 --> 00:25:25,007
And we felt like that was the wound
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that caused the demise.
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I think we all knew
that the president was dead,
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and it was just a matter of
who was going to make the call.
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And with that, he pronounced
the president dead.
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00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:47,395
Then is when I was
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emotionally affected.
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I mean, to see somebody die
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is something that we saw a lot of.
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But it was shocking to see
the most famous person
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in the world and his wife there.
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That's imprinted in my mind,
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and it's always been there.
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00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:33,008
It was almost like a machine
that was roaring shut off.
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And there was a kind of
stillness in the room.
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00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:42,301
And you know that that person
has left this world.
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00:26:51,143 --> 00:26:54,129
They said, let's make
the time of death 1:00.
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And that was well before 1:00.
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And then they said,
well, that'll give Johnson time
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to get out of the hospital
and get to Air Force One
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00:27:01,821 --> 00:27:03,923
and maybe be sworn in.
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00:27:05,191 --> 00:27:07,442
I left Trauma Room 1
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00:27:07,526 --> 00:27:11,647
right after we had decided
that he was dead.
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00:27:11,731 --> 00:27:13,181
A gentleman walked up to me
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with a large badge in his hand,
477
00:27:15,267 --> 00:27:18,320
and he said, I'm with the FBI,
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00:27:18,404 --> 00:27:20,355
and I need to call
J. Edgar Hoover
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00:27:20,439 --> 00:27:23,091
and tell him the condition
of the president.
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00:27:23,175 --> 00:27:25,360
And right behind him was another gentleman
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00:27:25,444 --> 00:27:26,895
with a large badge, and he said,
482
00:27:26,979 --> 00:27:28,563
I'm with the Secret Service,
483
00:27:28,647 --> 00:27:30,599
and I need to call
Joseph Kennedy
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00:27:30,683 --> 00:27:33,769
and tell him the condition of his son.
485
00:27:33,853 --> 00:27:36,238
And here they were asking me
the condition of the president,
486
00:27:36,322 --> 00:27:38,406
and I knew he was dead.
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00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:40,142
I didn't want to be the first one
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to announce this to the world,
that he was dead.
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00:27:46,465 --> 00:27:49,618
I think the most important part
was Mrs. Kennedy said
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00:27:49,702 --> 00:27:51,920
she didn't want him pronounced
until a priest arrived.
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A priest had not arrived.
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00:27:54,774 --> 00:27:57,660
So I told them,
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I said, he's not doing well.
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At that moment,
I was really in shock.
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00:28:05,217 --> 00:28:07,369
And I just stood there.
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Everyone started exiting the room.
497
00:28:10,256 --> 00:28:12,507
Everyone was leaving.
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00:28:12,591 --> 00:28:17,713
And before long,
Mrs. Kennedy then starts
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00:28:17,797 --> 00:28:19,682
walking over towards the president,
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00:28:19,766 --> 00:28:21,133
and I'm just standing there.
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00:28:32,779 --> 00:28:35,998
Dr. Baxter and I saw
our opportunity to leave.
502
00:28:36,082 --> 00:28:37,833
But just as we began to do that,
503
00:28:37,917 --> 00:28:40,769
the door to Trauma Room 1 came open again,
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00:28:40,853 --> 00:28:42,521
and a priest came in.
505
00:28:50,129 --> 00:28:52,180
The Catholic priest comes in
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00:28:52,264 --> 00:28:55,383
and does the last rites of the church.
507
00:28:55,467 --> 00:28:57,585
And we would have had
to push him out of the way
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00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:59,387
in order to get out of the room.
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00:28:59,471 --> 00:29:02,324
And so we froze against the wall
510
00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:06,028
and found ourselves,
inappropriately we felt,
511
00:29:06,112 --> 00:29:08,314
present at the president's last rites.
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00:29:11,017 --> 00:29:14,469
Mrs. Kennedy stood across
next to Father Huber
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00:29:14,553 --> 00:29:16,438
at the head of the president's cart.
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00:29:16,522 --> 00:29:20,208
He leaned over and said into
the president's left ear...
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00:29:20,292 --> 00:29:23,178
I forgive you your sins
in the name of the Father,
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00:29:23,262 --> 00:29:25,380
and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
517
00:29:25,464 --> 00:29:29,417
His wife was standing there
during this entire time.
518
00:29:29,501 --> 00:29:32,254
And I couldn't hear
what Mrs. Kennedy asked,
519
00:29:32,338 --> 00:29:35,623
but Father Huber said to her very quietly,
520
00:29:35,707 --> 00:29:39,194
he said, yes, I've given him
conditional absolution.
521
00:29:39,278 --> 00:29:43,049
She grimaced when she heard
that word "conditional."
522
00:29:54,260 --> 00:29:57,545
He's covered up, but she takes his hand,
523
00:29:57,629 --> 00:30:00,082
and she does a ring ceremony.
524
00:30:00,166 --> 00:30:02,384
She exchanged a ring from her finger
525
00:30:02,468 --> 00:30:04,252
onto the president's finger
526
00:30:04,336 --> 00:30:07,455
and a ring from his finger onto hers.
527
00:30:07,539 --> 00:30:09,691
She stood next to his bare foot
528
00:30:09,775 --> 00:30:13,161
that was protruding out
from underneath the sheet.
529
00:30:13,245 --> 00:30:15,363
She stood there for a moment,
then leaned over
530
00:30:15,447 --> 00:30:17,732
and kissed his foot
and walked out of the room.
531
00:30:23,455 --> 00:30:25,307
Who was behind all of this?
532
00:30:25,391 --> 00:30:26,474
We didn't know that.
533
00:30:26,558 --> 00:30:27,910
They certainly didn't know it that day
534
00:30:27,994 --> 00:30:31,947
when they were ushering
Vice President Johnson
535
00:30:32,031 --> 00:30:33,415
out of the emergency room.
536
00:30:33,499 --> 00:30:36,751
He was rushed to Air Force One.
537
00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:41,056
Mr. and Mrs. Johnson hurried
out of the emergency ward,
538
00:30:41,140 --> 00:30:42,757
surrounded by Secret Service men,
539
00:30:42,841 --> 00:30:45,961
and were rushed off to the airport.
540
00:30:46,045 --> 00:30:47,162
I think they wanted him
541
00:30:47,246 --> 00:30:48,864
out of town as quickly as possible.
542
00:30:48,948 --> 00:30:51,233
But he couldn't get out of town
as quickly as possible
543
00:30:51,317 --> 00:30:53,368
because he wanted
Mrs. Kennedy with him,
544
00:30:53,452 --> 00:30:56,222
and Mrs. Kennedy didn't want
to leave the president.
545
00:31:02,628 --> 00:31:05,881
It felt like a bad dream,
546
00:31:05,965 --> 00:31:11,619
and I kept hoping that I would
awaken at any minute
547
00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:15,341
and find out that I had
just had a horrible nightmare.
548
00:31:17,243 --> 00:31:19,962
Nothing will ever erase the picture
549
00:31:20,046 --> 00:31:22,730
of my one time in the presence
550
00:31:22,814 --> 00:31:25,717
of the president and the first lady.
551
00:31:27,219 --> 00:31:29,371
I went outside the hospital
552
00:31:29,455 --> 00:31:34,109
and stood with the crowd
that had gathered.
553
00:31:34,193 --> 00:31:35,978
I didn't say anything.
554
00:31:36,062 --> 00:31:40,048
I felt like an ordinary person
555
00:31:40,132 --> 00:31:43,685
who had great admiration
556
00:31:43,769 --> 00:31:46,654
and love and respect
for President Kennedy,
557
00:31:46,738 --> 00:31:51,377
and my president had been
assassinated and was dead.
558
00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:56,131
This is official word.
559
00:31:56,215 --> 00:31:57,683
We repeat...
560
00:32:07,159 --> 00:32:10,445
The President
of the United States is dead.
561
00:32:10,529 --> 00:32:12,981
A flash from Dallas:
562
00:32:13,065 --> 00:32:16,018
two priests who were
with President Kennedy say
563
00:32:16,102 --> 00:32:17,519
he is dead.
564
00:32:17,603 --> 00:32:21,189
With the greatest regret, this flash:
565
00:32:21,273 --> 00:32:24,092
two priests who were
with President Kennedy say
566
00:32:24,176 --> 00:32:26,612
he has died of bullet wounds.
567
00:32:34,987 --> 00:32:38,540
From Dallas, Texas,
the flash, apparently official,
568
00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:40,708
President Kennedy died
569
00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:44,346
at 1:00 p.m.
Central Standard Time,
570
00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:47,149
2:00 Eastern Standard Time,
571
00:32:47,233 --> 00:32:49,901
some 38 minutes ago.
572
00:32:57,176 --> 00:33:00,528
We went back upstairs
and just kind of sat there
573
00:33:00,612 --> 00:33:03,598
and looked at one another,
as if, you know,
574
00:33:03,682 --> 00:33:06,734
did that really happen,
or was this a nightmare?
575
00:33:06,818 --> 00:33:10,705
The discussion was up
in the operating room lounge
576
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:14,609
just to try to talk and determine
577
00:33:14,693 --> 00:33:17,712
how Kennedy had been shot
and where he had been shot
578
00:33:17,796 --> 00:33:19,814
and with what he had been shot,
579
00:33:19,898 --> 00:33:21,816
how many times had he been shot.
580
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:24,519
And we were just in the beginning of that
581
00:33:24,603 --> 00:33:26,054
when Dr. Perry got the call
582
00:33:26,138 --> 00:33:28,740
to see if he could come down
and meet with the press.
583
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,206
So at the press conference,
Dr. Perry,
584
00:33:44,290 --> 00:33:47,142
in describing the wound here,
585
00:33:47,226 --> 00:33:51,213
said that he thought that it
looked like an entrance wound.
586
00:33:51,297 --> 00:33:53,881
So we were thinking,
there were two wounds.
587
00:33:53,965 --> 00:33:56,484
Had to be an entrance wound
and an exit wound.
588
00:33:56,568 --> 00:33:58,586
That was the only way
we could put it together.
589
00:33:58,670 --> 00:34:03,058
And so I thought it was an entrance wound.
590
00:34:03,142 --> 00:34:06,694
When he left the room,
someone came up to him
591
00:34:06,778 --> 00:34:12,000
who Dr. Perry thought
maybe was a Secret Service man.
592
00:34:12,084 --> 00:34:16,438
And he told Dr. Perry,
you must never, ever say that
593
00:34:16,522 --> 00:34:18,773
that was an entrance wound again
594
00:34:18,857 --> 00:34:20,408
if you know what's good for you.
595
00:34:22,728 --> 00:34:25,447
We are told that the gunshot wound,
596
00:34:25,531 --> 00:34:26,848
the fatal wound inflicted
597
00:34:26,932 --> 00:34:29,684
on the President of the United States,
598
00:34:29,768 --> 00:34:31,153
entered at the base of the throat
599
00:34:31,237 --> 00:34:35,474
and came out at the base
of the neck on the back side.
600
00:35:06,305 --> 00:35:09,023
Inside Trauma Room 1,
we have the Parkland doctors
601
00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:11,777
and staff trying to save
the president's life.
602
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,566
And they notice and they make
note of the fact that
603
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:21,503
the back of the president's
head was missing.
604
00:35:21,587 --> 00:35:23,405
And within three to five hours,
605
00:35:23,489 --> 00:35:27,275
most of the staff at Parkland
memorialize their observations
606
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:31,397
by writing down what,
in fact, they observed.
607
00:35:37,102 --> 00:35:40,222
I just wrote on
a progress note sheet of paper,
608
00:35:40,306 --> 00:35:42,757
like you would put in a patient's chart.
609
00:35:42,841 --> 00:35:45,444
I just said, this was an entrance wound.
610
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:49,431
We were asked to turn it in to Dr. Clark,
611
00:35:49,515 --> 00:35:50,965
the chief of neurosurgery,
612
00:35:51,049 --> 00:35:53,601
and I gave it to his secretary.
613
00:35:53,685 --> 00:35:55,437
There was no motive to lie.
614
00:35:55,521 --> 00:35:56,838
They had no interest in anything
615
00:35:56,922 --> 00:35:59,558
other than telling the truth.
616
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,411
The first wound described
617
00:36:03,495 --> 00:36:05,580
was a wound in the back of the head
618
00:36:05,664 --> 00:36:07,949
and would seem to indicate
a shot from behind.
619
00:36:08,033 --> 00:36:10,118
But the doctors also said
there was a wound
620
00:36:10,202 --> 00:36:12,287
in the throat at the front,
which seemed to indicate
621
00:36:12,371 --> 00:36:14,021
a shot from the other direction.
622
00:36:14,105 --> 00:36:18,426
There was no outside influences at all
623
00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:20,728
to tell them what to do or not to do
624
00:36:20,812 --> 00:36:23,731
as it related to their observations.
625
00:36:23,815 --> 00:36:25,833
So we have to say that, if we're dealing
626
00:36:25,917 --> 00:36:28,703
with trustworthy people,
the Parkland doctors
627
00:36:28,787 --> 00:36:30,538
are about as trustworthy as you can get.
628
00:36:37,028 --> 00:36:41,849
This is Situation Room relay to wayside.
629
00:36:41,933 --> 00:36:45,787
We have report quoting
Mr. Kilduff in Dallas
630
00:36:45,871 --> 00:36:48,956
that the president is dead,
631
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,694
that he died about 35 minutes ago.
632
00:36:52,778 --> 00:36:56,598
Front office desires
plane return Washington.
633
00:36:56,682 --> 00:36:59,251
This is Situation Room out.
634
00:37:01,052 --> 00:37:05,673
Dr. Earl Rose, who was the
medical examiner at that time,
635
00:37:05,757 --> 00:37:09,477
had requested that the autopsy
be done in Dallas County.
636
00:37:09,561 --> 00:37:11,779
I think it was his opinion
637
00:37:11,863 --> 00:37:14,882
that if a murder occurs in Dallas County,
638
00:37:14,966 --> 00:37:17,319
the autopsy is done in Dallas County.
639
00:37:17,403 --> 00:37:19,987
Dr. Rose had been sitting in his office,
640
00:37:20,071 --> 00:37:22,824
which looked out onto a corridor
641
00:37:22,908 --> 00:37:26,261
that led to the exit and
the loading dock at Parkland.
642
00:37:26,345 --> 00:37:29,163
And he saw this little
procession coming along
643
00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:31,899
down the corridor,
heading toward the exit,
644
00:37:31,983 --> 00:37:34,068
and that consisted of the president,
645
00:37:34,152 --> 00:37:36,438
who had now been placed in his coffin,
646
00:37:36,522 --> 00:37:39,106
and Mrs. Kennedy was walking
647
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:41,443
along the left side of that cart.
648
00:37:41,527 --> 00:37:43,110
Two Secret Service men were
649
00:37:43,194 --> 00:37:45,112
heading up the little procession,
650
00:37:45,196 --> 00:37:49,351
one of whom was carrying
a Thompson submachine gun.
651
00:37:49,435 --> 00:37:50,985
Well, when Dr. Rose saw that,
652
00:37:51,069 --> 00:37:53,988
he stepped out of his office
into the corridor,
653
00:37:54,072 --> 00:37:57,292
held his hand up to ask them to stop,
654
00:37:57,376 --> 00:37:59,927
because, he said,
I'm required by law
655
00:38:00,011 --> 00:38:03,265
to tell you that any murder
that's committed
656
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:06,701
in the state of Texas,
the victim must undergo
657
00:38:06,785 --> 00:38:09,571
a postmortem exam in this state.
658
00:38:09,655 --> 00:38:12,006
And they have a loud conversation,
659
00:38:12,090 --> 00:38:16,344
and I hear them saying,
we're doing the autopsy here.
660
00:38:16,428 --> 00:38:17,545
This is the state of Texas.
661
00:38:17,629 --> 00:38:19,714
The law is that he has the autopsy.
662
00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:21,316
And the Secret Service says, no way.
663
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,884
We're taking him away.
664
00:38:22,968 --> 00:38:26,388
Then the Secret Service man
with the submachine gun
665
00:38:26,472 --> 00:38:29,223
walked slowly over to Dr. Rose
666
00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:32,494
and put his hands underneath his armpits
667
00:38:32,578 --> 00:38:35,162
and gently lifted him up off the floor
668
00:38:35,246 --> 00:38:38,933
and placed him over against
the wall of the corridor
669
00:38:39,017 --> 00:38:42,169
and then shook his finger in his face
670
00:38:42,253 --> 00:38:44,572
as if to say, stand out of our way.
671
00:38:44,656 --> 00:38:46,474
And then they turned around
672
00:38:46,558 --> 00:38:50,829
and headed out the rear
entrance to the ambulance.
673
00:38:54,165 --> 00:38:57,419
So they were not about to leave
the president's body there
674
00:38:57,503 --> 00:38:58,720
for any purpose.
675
00:38:58,804 --> 00:39:00,655
They took him out of Dallas.
676
00:39:00,739 --> 00:39:03,975
Within 30 or 40 minutes, he was gone.
677
00:39:10,281 --> 00:39:12,567
Everything changed as soon as JFK's body
678
00:39:12,651 --> 00:39:15,069
left Parkland Hospital.
679
00:39:15,153 --> 00:39:17,839
So the Parkland physicians were no longer
680
00:39:17,923 --> 00:39:21,292
a part of the story, so that's a problem.
681
00:39:23,395 --> 00:39:26,648
I'm Doug Horne, and, uh,
682
00:39:26,732 --> 00:39:30,217
I was successful in obtaining a job
683
00:39:30,301 --> 00:39:34,956
with the Assassination Records
Review Board in 1995.
684
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,326
I was kicked upstairs
and became the chief analyst
685
00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:40,695
for military records.
686
00:39:40,779 --> 00:39:42,864
The review board was tasked
687
00:39:42,948 --> 00:39:45,132
with ensuring
that proper searches were done
688
00:39:45,216 --> 00:39:47,502
by all the agencies of the government
689
00:39:47,586 --> 00:39:49,287
for assassination records.
690
00:40:05,336 --> 00:40:07,855
This country has not been told the truth
691
00:40:07,939 --> 00:40:10,291
about the JFK assassination.
692
00:40:10,375 --> 00:40:12,994
This is why I decided
I wanted to go work
693
00:40:13,078 --> 00:40:15,129
for the Review Board.
694
00:40:15,213 --> 00:40:18,199
The Parkland observations
that I think constitute
695
00:40:18,283 --> 00:40:19,967
some of the very best evidence we have
696
00:40:20,051 --> 00:40:23,137
of what really happened
to President Kennedy.
697
00:40:23,221 --> 00:40:26,107
Some of the Parkland doctors believe,
698
00:40:26,191 --> 00:40:28,610
based on what they saw in Trauma Room 1,
699
00:40:28,694 --> 00:40:31,679
that President Kennedy was
shot from the front.
700
00:40:31,763 --> 00:40:37,485
They have not deviated from
what they observed in 1963,
701
00:40:37,569 --> 00:40:39,387
60 years ago.
702
00:40:39,471 --> 00:40:41,255
Well, the Parkland doctors
are the first ones
703
00:40:41,339 --> 00:40:43,391
that saw the president when he came in.
704
00:40:43,475 --> 00:40:44,759
They saw his body.
705
00:40:44,843 --> 00:40:46,428
And the observation, for the most part,
706
00:40:46,512 --> 00:40:48,596
is that there was a large
head wound in the rear
707
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,666
and there was an entry wound
in the throat.
708
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:54,168
This is the prevailing wisdom
709
00:40:54,252 --> 00:40:57,104
coming out of Parkland that day.
710
00:40:57,188 --> 00:41:00,074
My name is Matt Crumpton,
and I am an attorney.
711
00:41:00,158 --> 00:41:03,144
So I've got a background
in looking at evidence
712
00:41:03,228 --> 00:41:04,546
and analyzing it.
713
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:07,248
And I was always interested in the case,
714
00:41:07,332 --> 00:41:09,451
where I started to do a deep dive
715
00:41:09,535 --> 00:41:12,386
in the same way that
a jury would look at a case.
716
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,321
And years later,
717
00:41:14,405 --> 00:41:16,791
I continued to look at it
as the case progressed,
718
00:41:16,875 --> 00:41:18,059
more and more records came out.
719
00:41:21,046 --> 00:41:23,698
This is a beast of a subject.
There are people
720
00:41:23,782 --> 00:41:25,332
who have spent
their whole lives doing this.
721
00:41:25,416 --> 00:41:28,536
And Doug Horne was very, very involved
722
00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:30,404
in the granular details.
723
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:33,508
He's had access to, you know, information
724
00:41:33,592 --> 00:41:36,544
that the vast majority
of people in this case
725
00:41:36,628 --> 00:41:38,112
have not had access to.
726
00:41:38,196 --> 00:41:41,182
I think the medical evidence
in the Kennedy assassination
727
00:41:41,266 --> 00:41:43,150
is the most enduring mystery.
728
00:41:43,234 --> 00:41:45,487
And if you're a person like me
729
00:41:45,571 --> 00:41:47,822
who has studied it for decades,
730
00:41:47,906 --> 00:41:49,557
you certainly think it's probably
731
00:41:49,641 --> 00:41:51,626
the most interesting evidence
732
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:54,829
because it's fraught with
conflict and contradiction,
733
00:41:54,913 --> 00:41:57,098
and there are some real mysteries
734
00:41:57,182 --> 00:41:58,466
to try to unravel here.
735
00:42:01,219 --> 00:42:04,138
And the only way to do that
is to go issue by issue.
736
00:42:04,222 --> 00:42:06,574
So we start with the body.
737
00:42:09,695 --> 00:42:12,847
Parkland was stunned by what happened
738
00:42:12,931 --> 00:42:15,783
when the Secret Service, essentially,
739
00:42:15,867 --> 00:42:18,319
takes a body out of town.
740
00:42:18,403 --> 00:42:21,472
They didn't expect that to happen.
741
00:42:23,909 --> 00:42:26,293
When it comes to matters
of national security,
742
00:42:26,377 --> 00:42:29,430
they step on the toes of the
state government all the time.
743
00:42:29,514 --> 00:42:32,634
So even if it wasn't a conspiracy,
744
00:42:32,718 --> 00:42:35,737
the federal government wanted
to have absolute control
745
00:42:35,821 --> 00:42:38,940
over the body of the President
of the United States.
746
00:42:39,024 --> 00:42:40,642
They don't care what some county coroner
747
00:42:40,726 --> 00:42:43,377
in Dallas says to them.
748
00:42:43,461 --> 00:42:45,947
The Secret Service knew that
it was going to move the body
749
00:42:46,031 --> 00:42:48,115
to Washington for the autopsy.
750
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:50,985
That was their intention right away.
751
00:42:51,069 --> 00:42:54,255
Washington, D.C. was
controlling the narrative
752
00:42:54,339 --> 00:42:58,610
on what had happened
to JFK in Dealey Plaza.
753
00:43:17,195 --> 00:43:20,214
Mrs. John F. Kennedy left the hospital
754
00:43:20,298 --> 00:43:21,683
at approximately the same time
755
00:43:21,767 --> 00:43:24,451
the coffin carrying the body
of her husband left.
756
00:43:24,535 --> 00:43:27,555
The coffin went
to a private air installation
757
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:29,741
at Dallas's Love Field.
758
00:43:30,876 --> 00:43:34,428
Lyndon Johnson actually told
Kennedy's press secretary,
759
00:43:34,512 --> 00:43:36,631
Malcolm Kilduff, at the hospital
760
00:43:36,715 --> 00:43:39,200
that he wanted to get out
of there as soon as possible
761
00:43:39,284 --> 00:43:42,336
because he didn't know if
the Russians were behind this
762
00:43:42,420 --> 00:43:44,471
and it was an international conspiracy
763
00:43:44,555 --> 00:43:46,007
and that he was in danger
and they were trying
764
00:43:46,091 --> 00:43:48,142
to take down the whole government.
765
00:43:48,226 --> 00:43:50,544
There was Lyndon Johnson
running around on the floor,
766
00:43:50,628 --> 00:43:52,647
saying, "There's been a conspiracy!
767
00:43:52,731 --> 00:43:55,482
I gotta get out
to Air Force One right away."
768
00:43:55,566 --> 00:43:57,418
At the time
JFK was assassinated,
769
00:43:57,502 --> 00:44:00,588
it's just the height of the Cold War.
770
00:44:00,672 --> 00:44:03,725
Our goal is not the victory of might,
771
00:44:03,809 --> 00:44:05,960
but the vindication of right,
772
00:44:06,044 --> 00:44:08,696
not peace at the expense of freedom,
773
00:44:08,780 --> 00:44:10,497
but both peace and freedom.
774
00:44:10,581 --> 00:44:14,669
So the biggest fear was,
was the USSR involved?
775
00:44:14,753 --> 00:44:17,171
Did they play a role in the assassination?
776
00:44:17,255 --> 00:44:21,108
That's what was on everyone's mind.
777
00:44:21,192 --> 00:44:22,877
Vice President Johnson is expected
778
00:44:22,961 --> 00:44:26,013
to be sworn in as president
aboard an airliner
779
00:44:26,097 --> 00:44:29,116
before flying back
to the nation's capital.
780
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,685
The bronze casket was put
781
00:44:30,769 --> 00:44:33,187
on Air Force One, the president's plane,
782
00:44:33,271 --> 00:44:36,307
where the swearing in
ceremonies were held.
783
00:44:39,044 --> 00:44:41,128
Lyndon B. Johnson has been sworn in
784
00:44:41,212 --> 00:44:42,596
as the President of the United States.
785
00:44:55,927 --> 00:44:59,731
The body will go to Bethesda
Naval Hospital, we are told.
786
00:45:02,801 --> 00:45:07,088
Once that body was placed
on the airplane at Love Field,
787
00:45:07,172 --> 00:45:09,056
everything changed,
788
00:45:09,140 --> 00:45:11,893
and the federal government
controlled the narrative
789
00:45:11,977 --> 00:45:13,527
that was given to the American people
790
00:45:13,611 --> 00:45:15,129
about what had happened.
791
00:45:20,318 --> 00:45:23,070
I went home and told my wife what happened
792
00:45:23,154 --> 00:45:27,074
and started being in shock,
793
00:45:27,158 --> 00:45:28,876
staying in shock.
794
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,311
I started watching television.
795
00:45:30,395 --> 00:45:32,346
I watched every bit of what was going on.
796
00:45:32,430 --> 00:45:34,115
I couldn't believe that, indeed,
797
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:36,217
I was a part of that.
798
00:45:36,301 --> 00:45:38,519
I really hadn't realized
799
00:45:38,603 --> 00:45:41,055
that this had been on television.
800
00:45:41,139 --> 00:45:43,457
And that's when I realized that everybody
801
00:45:43,541 --> 00:45:46,127
in the world knew about it by that time.
802
00:45:46,211 --> 00:45:47,829
Walter Cronkite was following it.
803
00:45:47,913 --> 00:45:50,364
Everybody around the world
was following it.
804
00:45:50,448 --> 00:45:53,400
In Dallas, a suspect in a Dallas theater
805
00:45:53,484 --> 00:45:55,469
pulled a gun, shot one policeman,
806
00:45:55,553 --> 00:45:57,872
wounded another, and--
but was captured.
807
00:45:57,956 --> 00:46:00,942
And when he was captured,
he yelled, "It's all over now,"
808
00:46:01,026 --> 00:46:02,276
and screaming hysterically,
809
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,046
was taken into custody by the police.
810
00:46:08,733 --> 00:46:11,618
The man has been identified
as Lee H. Oswald.
811
00:46:11,702 --> 00:46:14,555
Lee Harvey Oswald had been arrested,
812
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:16,523
and so we were beginning to try
813
00:46:16,607 --> 00:46:18,359
to put some of this together,
814
00:46:18,443 --> 00:46:20,627
because when I went home that afternoon,
815
00:46:20,711 --> 00:46:23,597
I didn't know anything
about Lee Harvey Oswald
816
00:46:23,681 --> 00:46:27,234
and that he was the accused assassin.
817
00:46:27,318 --> 00:46:28,402
The man was brought immediately
818
00:46:28,486 --> 00:46:30,437
to police headquarters.
819
00:46:30,521 --> 00:46:32,974
That man said to have been
an employee of the building
820
00:46:33,058 --> 00:46:35,709
from which the shot
is believed to have come.
821
00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:39,380
This is 24-year-old
Lee H. Oswald.
822
00:46:39,464 --> 00:46:41,348
Now, here is the gun
823
00:46:41,432 --> 00:46:44,502
that police say was used
to kill the president.
824
00:46:46,271 --> 00:46:47,721
No, I have not been charged with that.
825
00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:50,324
In fact, nobody has said that to me yet.
826
00:46:50,408 --> 00:46:51,658
The first thing
I heard about it was
827
00:46:51,742 --> 00:46:55,396
when the newspaper reporters
in the hall, uh,
828
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,765
asked me that question.
829
00:46:57,849 --> 00:46:59,801
Within an hour of the assassination,
830
00:46:59,885 --> 00:47:01,302
Oswald was arrested,
831
00:47:01,386 --> 00:47:03,370
and it was all across the media
832
00:47:03,454 --> 00:47:05,773
that Oswald was the shooter,
833
00:47:05,857 --> 00:47:07,741
firing three shots from behind,
834
00:47:07,825 --> 00:47:09,210
hitting President Kennedy
835
00:47:09,294 --> 00:47:10,978
and then
Governor John Connally.
836
00:47:11,062 --> 00:47:14,148
And it makes sense that
it's Oswald because he worked
837
00:47:14,232 --> 00:47:16,450
at the Texas
School Book Depository.
838
00:47:16,534 --> 00:47:20,305
So, I mean, you've got to take
a really close look at Oswald.
839
00:47:22,607 --> 00:47:25,026
In Dallas, Texas, three shots were fired
840
00:47:25,110 --> 00:47:28,629
at President Kennedy's
motorcade in downtown Dallas.
841
00:47:28,713 --> 00:47:33,267
News media said that Lee Harvey Oswald was
842
00:47:33,351 --> 00:47:36,321
the lone assassin, case closed.
843
00:47:43,494 --> 00:47:46,680
And as we know, it was not case closed
844
00:47:46,764 --> 00:47:48,916
at that particular point.
845
00:47:55,941 --> 00:47:58,192
It was a 2 hour and 13 minute flight
846
00:47:58,276 --> 00:48:01,195
to get from Dallas, Texas,
to Andrews Air Force Base
847
00:48:01,279 --> 00:48:03,481
south of Washington, D.C.
848
00:48:24,869 --> 00:48:27,621
The Secret Service, in the
White House Situation Room,
849
00:48:27,705 --> 00:48:29,991
ordered that the autopsy be done
850
00:48:30,075 --> 00:48:31,692
at Bethesda Naval Hospital.
851
00:48:31,776 --> 00:48:35,362
And here is--
here is the plane now.
852
00:48:35,446 --> 00:48:37,231
Made the flight back from Dallas.
853
00:48:44,355 --> 00:48:47,474
What you see is a special
truck that has been moved up
854
00:48:47,558 --> 00:48:49,911
to the rear of the presidential jet
855
00:48:49,995 --> 00:48:53,915
on which the coffin will be brought out.
856
00:48:53,999 --> 00:48:58,819
Casket is dark brown in color,
slightly reddish.
857
00:48:58,903 --> 00:49:05,076
A Navy ambulance is being
drawn up just near the truck.
858
00:49:06,044 --> 00:49:10,531
Behind the casket is
Mrs. Jacqueline Kennedy.
859
00:49:10,615 --> 00:49:13,800
To her right is her brother-in-law,
860
00:49:13,884 --> 00:49:16,670
the Attorney General
Robert Kennedy.
861
00:49:16,754 --> 00:49:23,144
Mrs. Kennedy is apparently
getting into the ambulance.
862
00:49:23,228 --> 00:49:28,249
And the Navy ambulance
moves off with the casket.
863
00:49:28,333 --> 00:49:31,152
Now being dramatized here
at Andrews Air Force Base
864
00:49:31,236 --> 00:49:33,487
as the new president
addresses the microphones.
865
00:49:33,571 --> 00:49:34,821
Ladies and gentlemen,
866
00:49:34,905 --> 00:49:37,324
the President of the United States.
867
00:49:37,408 --> 00:49:40,928
I will do my best.
868
00:49:41,012 --> 00:49:44,932
That is all I can do.
869
00:49:45,016 --> 00:49:49,854
I ask for your help and God's.
870
00:49:53,458 --> 00:49:56,110
So at 6:20, Lyndon leaves.
871
00:49:56,194 --> 00:49:57,711
At 6:21, the lights go out,
872
00:49:57,795 --> 00:49:59,780
and there's no more
TV coverage.
873
00:49:59,864 --> 00:50:01,348
And so it would have been after that
874
00:50:01,432 --> 00:50:02,984
that the president's body,
875
00:50:03,068 --> 00:50:05,987
either in sheets
or a body bag--it's unclear--
876
00:50:06,071 --> 00:50:07,989
would have been placed in a helicopter
877
00:50:08,073 --> 00:50:10,691
and quickly flown
to Bethesda Naval Hospital.
878
00:50:10,775 --> 00:50:12,693
This is Doug Horne's theory,
879
00:50:12,777 --> 00:50:16,663
that the body was switched
out of the bronze casket
880
00:50:16,747 --> 00:50:20,334
on the plane
and put into a shipping casket.
881
00:50:20,418 --> 00:50:23,971
And so the bronze casket
is taken to Bethesda
882
00:50:24,055 --> 00:50:27,708
in the ambulance
with Jackie and RFK in it.
883
00:50:27,792 --> 00:50:29,510
But that casket is actually empty,
884
00:50:29,594 --> 00:50:30,777
is what the theory says.
885
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:37,151
The Secret Service decided,
886
00:50:37,235 --> 00:50:39,720
while the plane was
en route to Washington,
887
00:50:39,804 --> 00:50:41,855
that the body would go by helicopter.
888
00:50:41,939 --> 00:50:44,825
Now, the shipping casket
arrived 20 minutes
889
00:50:44,909 --> 00:50:47,928
before the Dallas
bronze casket to Bethesda.
890
00:50:48,012 --> 00:50:51,132
This is a--
this is a shell game.
891
00:50:51,216 --> 00:50:54,468
Now, this is obviously
a very controversial theory.
892
00:50:54,552 --> 00:50:56,603
The idea is that the body arrived
893
00:50:56,687 --> 00:50:59,240
20 minutes early to Bethesda.
894
00:51:05,196 --> 00:51:07,781
Sergeant Boyajian
and his Marines were sent
895
00:51:07,865 --> 00:51:11,252
to Bethesda to provide physical security
896
00:51:11,336 --> 00:51:12,837
for the president's autopsy.
897
00:51:17,742 --> 00:51:21,928
And he wrote that the casket
arrived at 1835 hours.
898
00:51:22,012 --> 00:51:26,433
That's military time for 6:35 p.m.
899
00:51:26,517 --> 00:51:30,271
And when the motorcade arrived at 6:55,
900
00:51:30,355 --> 00:51:33,707
Secret Service agents recorded
that time in their reports,
901
00:51:33,791 --> 00:51:35,442
and all the newspapermen recorded
902
00:51:35,526 --> 00:51:36,843
that time in their reports.
903
00:51:36,927 --> 00:51:38,979
So these two times are firmly established.
904
00:51:39,063 --> 00:51:42,183
The primary documents that are relied on
905
00:51:42,267 --> 00:51:45,703
for this assertion would be
the Boyajian report.
906
00:51:47,438 --> 00:51:49,890
I think it makes this not a crazy thing.
907
00:51:49,974 --> 00:51:52,693
The person who was in charge
of the working party,
908
00:51:52,777 --> 00:51:55,296
who off-loaded
the shipping casket at 6:35,
909
00:51:55,380 --> 00:51:57,264
was Petty Officer Dennis David.
910
00:51:57,348 --> 00:52:01,368
As I recall, it was a black,
unmarked ambulance.
911
00:52:01,452 --> 00:52:04,538
And we off-loaded a casket,
912
00:52:04,622 --> 00:52:06,973
and it was carried into the autopsy room.
913
00:52:07,057 --> 00:52:11,612
This casket is a plain, gray box,
914
00:52:11,696 --> 00:52:13,980
if you will, a metal box.
915
00:52:14,064 --> 00:52:15,449
Anybody who's ever been to Vietnam
916
00:52:15,533 --> 00:52:17,451
would know what I'm talking about.
917
00:52:17,535 --> 00:52:19,120
We shipped hundreds of bodies out of there
918
00:52:19,204 --> 00:52:20,387
in the same type of casket.
919
00:52:20,471 --> 00:52:22,456
It's just a plain shipping casket.
920
00:52:22,540 --> 00:52:25,892
It definitely wasn't the fancy casket
921
00:52:25,976 --> 00:52:28,779
that they showed on TV,
which I saw later on.
922
00:52:30,147 --> 00:52:34,868
So the question that really matters is,
923
00:52:34,952 --> 00:52:37,604
what happened to President Kennedy's body
924
00:52:37,688 --> 00:52:40,641
at the hospital between
the time it really arrived,
925
00:52:40,725 --> 00:52:44,245
6:35 p.m., and the time
the official autopsy started,
926
00:52:44,329 --> 00:52:46,480
which was shortly after 8:00?
927
00:52:46,564 --> 00:52:49,150
The theory is that, between 6:30 and 8:00,
928
00:52:49,234 --> 00:52:51,552
the body was physically tampered with...
929
00:52:53,338 --> 00:52:56,089
So that any evidence
that would show a front shot,
930
00:52:56,173 --> 00:52:58,625
like the wound here,
931
00:52:58,709 --> 00:53:02,563
any of that evidence would be obscured.
932
00:53:02,647 --> 00:53:04,765
Any shots that aren't consistent
933
00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:06,900
with coming from
the sixth floor sniper's nest
934
00:53:06,984 --> 00:53:10,704
at the School Book Depository
had to be removed.
935
00:53:10,788 --> 00:53:14,808
Because some of
the Parkland doctors believe
936
00:53:14,892 --> 00:53:17,061
that President Kennedy was
shot from the front.
937
00:53:18,963 --> 00:53:22,183
By the time JFK's body
arrives at Bethesda,
938
00:53:22,267 --> 00:53:25,486
the narrative is clearly
that the president was shot
939
00:53:25,570 --> 00:53:28,289
by a lone gunman from above and behind.
940
00:53:28,373 --> 00:53:33,093
And so the body needs
to support that narrative.
941
00:53:33,177 --> 00:53:35,496
And one way to support it is to remove
942
00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:37,198
all of the metal in the body
943
00:53:37,282 --> 00:53:40,234
that indicates there was a crossfire.
944
00:53:40,318 --> 00:53:42,887
You're gonna sanitize
the crime scene, in effect.
945
00:53:44,221 --> 00:53:47,908
24-year-old
Lee Harvey Oswald charged
946
00:53:47,992 --> 00:53:49,776
with the murder of the president.
947
00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:51,245
Oswald was arrested less than two hours
948
00:53:51,329 --> 00:53:52,746
after the president was shot.
949
00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:54,881
Police say Oswald worked
in the building from which
950
00:53:54,965 --> 00:53:57,651
the shots that killed
the president were fired.
951
00:53:57,735 --> 00:54:00,020
That gun is a powerful military rifle,
952
00:54:00,104 --> 00:54:01,839
which police found in the building.
953
00:54:04,174 --> 00:54:06,927
He has not confessed.
He has made no statement.
954
00:54:07,011 --> 00:54:09,730
Charges of murder have been
accepted against him.
955
00:54:09,814 --> 00:54:12,666
- I, uh--
- I don't know what this is all about.
956
00:54:12,750 --> 00:54:14,985
Did you shoot the president?
957
00:54:17,254 --> 00:54:19,373
Investigation and arrest
958
00:54:19,457 --> 00:54:22,142
has been rapid, to say the least.
959
00:54:27,197 --> 00:54:29,616
The pathologists for
President Kennedy's autopsy
960
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:31,852
were two Navy pathologists,
961
00:54:31,936 --> 00:54:33,887
Commander James J. Humes
962
00:54:33,971 --> 00:54:37,391
and
Commander J. Thornton Boswell.
963
00:54:37,475 --> 00:54:40,927
Humes and Boswell were not
very well versed at all
964
00:54:41,011 --> 00:54:42,229
on gunshots.
965
00:54:42,313 --> 00:54:44,398
They had not done many gunshots at all.
966
00:54:44,482 --> 00:54:48,502
The problem is, they weren't
forensic pathologists.
967
00:54:48,586 --> 00:54:50,637
They were people that would do an autopsy
968
00:54:50,721 --> 00:54:52,939
if your aunt died of a heart attack,
969
00:54:53,023 --> 00:54:55,809
not a high-level government official
970
00:54:55,893 --> 00:54:57,911
that gets shot in the head,
971
00:54:57,995 --> 00:54:59,546
where you need to know the entrance wound,
972
00:54:59,630 --> 00:55:01,147
the exit wound, the bullet path,
973
00:55:01,231 --> 00:55:04,451
so you can determine later
whence the bullets came.
974
00:55:04,535 --> 00:55:06,052
It is hard to believe that
975
00:55:06,136 --> 00:55:08,121
you've got the President
of the United States,
976
00:55:08,205 --> 00:55:11,592
and the autopsy is going to be done
977
00:55:11,676 --> 00:55:14,795
by no practicing forensic pathologists.
978
00:55:14,879 --> 00:55:17,898
I believe that Humes and Boswell
979
00:55:17,982 --> 00:55:20,701
were chosen to do the autopsy
980
00:55:20,785 --> 00:55:23,904
because they were under military control.
981
00:55:23,988 --> 00:55:25,739
The results of the autopsy could be
982
00:55:25,823 --> 00:55:28,008
controlled by the military,
983
00:55:28,092 --> 00:55:30,628
which means controlled
by the federal government.
984
00:55:32,563 --> 00:55:35,248
James Jenkins was a hospital corpsman
985
00:55:35,332 --> 00:55:37,150
who was assisting with the autopsy,
986
00:55:37,234 --> 00:55:41,154
and he's on record saying that he believed
987
00:55:41,238 --> 00:55:44,642
that the military was really
in control of the autopsy.
988
00:55:46,677 --> 00:55:49,129
There's so many people that are now gone.
989
00:55:49,213 --> 00:55:51,698
You know, when I'm gone,
there will be nobody else
990
00:55:51,782 --> 00:55:53,884
from the autopsy team at all.
991
00:55:56,487 --> 00:56:02,309
It was my job to do
for them what they requested
992
00:56:02,393 --> 00:56:06,780
without actually being told
to do it every time.
993
00:56:06,864 --> 00:56:10,351
So my focus was on
994
00:56:10,435 --> 00:56:12,753
exactly what was going on at that table,
995
00:56:12,837 --> 00:56:15,155
doing what I was asked to do,
996
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,957
listening to what they were doing,
997
00:56:17,041 --> 00:56:19,910
and anticipating a request.
998
00:56:22,947 --> 00:56:25,231
In those days, the military was,
999
00:56:25,315 --> 00:56:28,134
if you were told
to do something, you did it,
1000
00:56:28,218 --> 00:56:29,202
or else.
1001
00:56:29,286 --> 00:56:31,705
And the "or else" was not pleasant.
1002
00:56:31,789 --> 00:56:33,907
Military doctors follow orders.
1003
00:56:33,991 --> 00:56:35,476
If you don't, your career is over.
1004
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,979
I believe that Humes and Boswell received
1005
00:56:39,063 --> 00:56:40,547
a very firm set of instructions
1006
00:56:40,631 --> 00:56:44,751
before President Kennedy's
body arrived at 6:35.
1007
00:56:44,835 --> 00:56:47,988
You will not report shots from the front.
1008
00:56:48,072 --> 00:56:50,691
You will only report shots from behind.
1009
00:56:50,775 --> 00:56:52,993
We already have a man arrested.
1010
00:56:53,077 --> 00:56:54,895
That's the way it has to be.
1011
00:56:54,979 --> 00:56:57,364
You'll be doing a patriotic
duty for your country.
1012
00:56:57,448 --> 00:56:59,400
They're engaged in a charade.
1013
00:56:59,484 --> 00:57:03,570
The charade is to pretend like
you're doing a real autopsy
1014
00:57:03,654 --> 00:57:05,205
and come up with results that say
1015
00:57:05,289 --> 00:57:07,273
there was one shooter
from above and behind
1016
00:57:07,357 --> 00:57:10,444
and there were no gunmen from the front.
1017
00:57:10,528 --> 00:57:12,946
Humes had one paramount task
he had to perform
1018
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:15,281
before the autopsy began at 8:00
1019
00:57:15,365 --> 00:57:18,051
That was to remove
President Kennedy's brain
1020
00:57:18,135 --> 00:57:21,755
and remove any evidence
1021
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:24,057
in the form of shots from the front.
1022
00:57:24,141 --> 00:57:25,959
So in any standard autopsy,
1023
00:57:26,043 --> 00:57:27,861
when there's a gunshot wound involved,
1024
00:57:27,945 --> 00:57:30,664
the tracks of the wounds
would be dissected
1025
00:57:30,748 --> 00:57:32,933
so that we could see the trajectory
1026
00:57:33,017 --> 00:57:36,570
and see where the bullet
actually went within the body.
1027
00:57:36,654 --> 00:57:40,240
After Dr. Humes removed
President Kennedy's brain
1028
00:57:40,324 --> 00:57:42,876
to take out all the bullet
fragments he could find,
1029
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,911
he then put the brain back in the head
1030
00:57:44,995 --> 00:57:47,714
so that it could be inside the body
1031
00:57:47,798 --> 00:57:50,016
at the beginning of the 8:00 autopsy.
1032
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:53,854
There were no metal fragments,
1033
00:57:53,938 --> 00:57:57,658
no bullets, no partial bullets,
1034
00:57:57,742 --> 00:58:01,227
anything of significance that were found.
1035
00:58:08,886 --> 00:58:11,605
It was very tense that night.
1036
00:58:11,689 --> 00:58:13,373
The atmosphere was very tense.
1037
00:58:13,457 --> 00:58:17,043
And it was not so much the fact is
1038
00:58:17,127 --> 00:58:19,913
that the president had been assassinated.
1039
00:58:19,997 --> 00:58:23,917
It was a contention
between the military officers
1040
00:58:24,001 --> 00:58:26,019
that Dr. Humes had come in with
1041
00:58:26,103 --> 00:58:28,021
and Dr. Humes himself.
1042
00:58:28,105 --> 00:58:29,790
He was constantly being called back
1043
00:58:29,874 --> 00:58:32,292
to talk to one of the people.
1044
00:58:32,376 --> 00:58:33,560
It was jam-packed.
1045
00:58:33,644 --> 00:58:35,228
It was very hysterical.
1046
00:58:35,312 --> 00:58:37,948
We were interfered with constantly, yes.
1047
00:58:55,165 --> 00:58:59,385
When I got to review the autopsy report,
1048
00:58:59,469 --> 00:59:03,089
the x-rays, and most significantly,
1049
00:59:03,173 --> 00:59:05,091
the photographs that were taken,
1050
00:59:05,175 --> 00:59:08,061
it was the first time that I really cried,
1051
00:59:08,145 --> 00:59:09,329
had tears in my eyes,
1052
00:59:09,413 --> 00:59:12,866
because he was such a young person,
1053
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:14,400
had done so much for the country,
1054
00:59:14,484 --> 00:59:18,605
and was just taken out
of the prime of his life.
1055
00:59:18,689 --> 00:59:20,273
My name is Michael Baden.
1056
00:59:20,357 --> 00:59:24,410
I am a physician and forensic pathologist.
1057
00:59:24,494 --> 00:59:30,483
And I was asked to head
the forensic pathology unit
1058
00:59:30,567 --> 00:59:34,287
that would investigate
the autopsy findings.
1059
00:59:34,371 --> 00:59:37,357
The House Select Committee
on Assassinations
1060
00:59:37,441 --> 00:59:40,260
investigation took place 15 years
1061
00:59:40,344 --> 00:59:43,029
after the death of President Kennedy.
1062
00:59:43,113 --> 00:59:46,166
And in the course of our investigation,
1063
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:50,270
the bottom line was, we determined that
1064
00:59:50,354 --> 00:59:53,707
President Kennedy had been struck
1065
00:59:53,791 --> 00:59:56,276
by two bullets from behind
1066
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,412
and only two bullets from behind.
1067
00:59:59,496 --> 01:00:01,548
I simply cannot agree with his reasoning
1068
01:00:01,632 --> 01:00:06,086
because he had to overrule and abandon
1069
01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:08,521
the personal observations
of the Parkland doctors,
1070
01:00:08,605 --> 01:00:11,257
who said there was a large exit wound
1071
01:00:11,341 --> 01:00:12,893
in the right rear of the head.
1072
01:00:12,977 --> 01:00:15,395
He examined photographs of the brain,
1073
01:00:15,479 --> 01:00:17,864
and when Dr. Baden noted
that there was no damage
1074
01:00:17,948 --> 01:00:20,100
to the right cerebellum.
1075
01:00:20,184 --> 01:00:25,005
The central conclusions were
unanimously agreed to
1076
01:00:25,089 --> 01:00:27,992
by eight of the panel members.
1077
01:00:31,561 --> 01:00:35,448
Bethesda was kind of a secret autopsy.
1078
01:00:35,532 --> 01:00:38,619
The people doing
the autopsy were not trained.
1079
01:00:38,703 --> 01:00:41,487
And then the many politicians
and other people
1080
01:00:41,571 --> 01:00:44,024
who were there were not knowledgeable
1081
01:00:44,108 --> 01:00:46,092
about how an autopsy should be done.
1082
01:00:50,547 --> 01:00:53,734
I agree with Dr. Baden about one thing.
1083
01:00:53,818 --> 01:00:58,588
The autopsy was under the thumb
of military authority.
1084
01:01:05,062 --> 01:01:07,781
Jim Jenkins saw
Dr. Humes remove the brain
1085
01:01:07,865 --> 01:01:12,953
shortly after 8:00,
at which point Dr. Humes says,
1086
01:01:13,037 --> 01:01:14,688
"The brain's fallen out in my hands."
1087
01:01:14,772 --> 01:01:17,590
You know, it almost fell out in his hand.
1088
01:01:17,674 --> 01:01:20,060
And at that time, I noticed
1089
01:01:20,144 --> 01:01:23,063
the brain stem hadn't been torn,
1090
01:01:23,147 --> 01:01:24,765
it had been severed.
1091
01:01:24,849 --> 01:01:27,400
But it had been severed
on two different sides.
1092
01:01:27,484 --> 01:01:29,569
So I just assumed
that the bullet had severed
1093
01:01:29,653 --> 01:01:32,472
the brain stem,
and I was a little surprised
1094
01:01:32,556 --> 01:01:36,409
when I saw that it had been
actually surgically cut.
1095
01:01:36,493 --> 01:01:40,280
Jim Jenkins' opinion was
that this brain must have
1096
01:01:40,364 --> 01:01:43,016
been removed earlier that evening.
1097
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:46,653
The audience was
extremely disturbed by this,
1098
01:01:46,737 --> 01:01:49,155
to the point where Dr. Humes,
I think, panicked.
1099
01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:52,358
And so he announced that it's apparent
1100
01:01:52,442 --> 01:01:53,994
there's been surgery of the head area.
1101
01:01:54,078 --> 01:01:56,362
And at this point,
Dr. Boswell looks up
1102
01:01:56,446 --> 01:01:58,231
and says to the gallery in the morgue,
1103
01:01:58,315 --> 01:02:00,100
"Was there surgery in Dallas?"
1104
01:02:00,184 --> 01:02:02,068
So he's playing along with Humes.
1105
01:02:02,152 --> 01:02:03,770
These guys knew there was
no surgery in Dallas.
1106
01:02:03,854 --> 01:02:05,005
They did it themselves.
1107
01:02:05,089 --> 01:02:07,841
So the FBI agents heard him say that
1108
01:02:07,925 --> 01:02:09,593
and put it in their written report.
1109
01:02:14,431 --> 01:02:16,416
It was just a real short statement.
1110
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:20,670
Humes said, "There's been
a surgery in the head area."
1111
01:02:22,206 --> 01:02:24,490
They're just literally
saying what Dr. Humes said,
1112
01:02:24,574 --> 01:02:27,193
which is, it appears
there was surgery done.
1113
01:02:27,277 --> 01:02:29,930
So the question is, what does that mean?
1114
01:02:30,014 --> 01:02:32,766
And that goes into the theory
of body alteration
1115
01:02:32,850 --> 01:02:36,169
to obscure any evidence
that would lead them
1116
01:02:36,253 --> 01:02:39,072
to the conclusion of shots from the front
1117
01:02:39,156 --> 01:02:41,507
or from any other direction.
1118
01:02:41,591 --> 01:02:44,277
The third pathologist was
a forensic pathologist.
1119
01:02:44,361 --> 01:02:47,147
This is Pierre Finck, from the Army.
1120
01:02:47,231 --> 01:02:48,548
But generally, he wasn't
1121
01:02:48,632 --> 01:02:51,101
conducting autopsies himself either.
1122
01:02:52,837 --> 01:02:55,421
Dr. Humes and Dr. Finck,
1123
01:02:55,505 --> 01:02:57,741
they began to examine the head.
1124
01:03:02,913 --> 01:03:05,198
And they found a wound.
1125
01:03:05,282 --> 01:03:08,068
It was on the right side of the head.
1126
01:03:08,152 --> 01:03:12,438
It was slightly above the ear
and forward of the ear,
1127
01:03:12,522 --> 01:03:14,607
just barely in the hairline.
1128
01:03:14,691 --> 01:03:18,111
I thought he was shot from the front
1129
01:03:18,195 --> 01:03:21,247
because entrance wounds are small
1130
01:03:21,331 --> 01:03:24,050
and exit wounds are large.
1131
01:03:24,134 --> 01:03:26,186
And it was a small wound.
1132
01:03:26,270 --> 01:03:28,721
And Dr. Finck made a comment,
1133
01:03:28,805 --> 01:03:31,257
"That probably was from a bullet."
1134
01:03:31,341 --> 01:03:33,226
That was the wound they were examining
1135
01:03:33,310 --> 01:03:35,595
when Dr. Humes was called to talk
1136
01:03:35,679 --> 01:03:39,632
with the individuals in the gallery.
1137
01:03:39,716 --> 01:03:42,502
It was just below
his hairline, right up here.
1138
01:03:42,586 --> 01:03:45,538
And the entry wound was
about the size of a dime.
1139
01:03:45,622 --> 01:03:48,074
It was clearly a wound
of entrance, not of exit.
1140
01:03:48,158 --> 01:03:49,910
And he came back.
1141
01:03:49,994 --> 01:03:51,677
And no time during the autopsy
1142
01:03:51,761 --> 01:03:54,447
did they ever go back to this one.
1143
01:03:54,531 --> 01:03:57,583
It was not listed in the official autopsy.
1144
01:03:57,667 --> 01:04:00,086
They never made it
into the official record.
1145
01:04:00,170 --> 01:04:02,956
That bullet would have been
removed during the surgery.
1146
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,692
The Parkland doctors said
that there was an exit wound
1147
01:04:06,776 --> 01:04:09,629
in the back right side of Kennedy's head.
1148
01:04:09,713 --> 01:04:12,432
The entrance wound would have
been about here.
1149
01:04:12,516 --> 01:04:15,668
Whereas that's not what
the autopsy showed in Bethesda.
1150
01:04:15,752 --> 01:04:19,239
The autopsy report
determined that the bullet
1151
01:04:19,323 --> 01:04:21,674
had entered the back of the head
1152
01:04:21,758 --> 01:04:27,080
and exited the right side of the skull.
1153
01:04:27,164 --> 01:04:29,382
And the Parkland doctors thought there was
1154
01:04:29,466 --> 01:04:31,284
a big hole there, but the autopsy showed
1155
01:04:31,368 --> 01:04:34,054
there was just a normal
half an inch bullet wound
1156
01:04:34,138 --> 01:04:36,656
in the back of the head.
1157
01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:39,860
I tend to believe
what the Parkland doctors said,
1158
01:04:39,944 --> 01:04:42,963
which causes some problems and confusion
1159
01:04:43,047 --> 01:04:44,848
when you go look at the autopsy.
1160
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:55,141
When President Kennedy
arrives at Bethesda,
1161
01:04:55,225 --> 01:04:59,679
Dr. Humes, as normally,
looks at the front of the body,
1162
01:04:59,763 --> 01:05:03,183
then turns the body over
to examine the back.
1163
01:05:03,267 --> 01:05:06,052
That back wound was located
1164
01:05:06,136 --> 01:05:10,423
right at the top of
the shoulder blade back here,
1165
01:05:10,507 --> 01:05:13,159
halfway between the top of that point
1166
01:05:13,243 --> 01:05:15,728
and the spinal column.
1167
01:05:15,812 --> 01:05:19,866
The bullet that goes in
the back goes in a few inches,
1168
01:05:19,950 --> 01:05:22,903
and Dr. Humes probed it,
1169
01:05:22,987 --> 01:05:25,471
which you're not supposed to do
with bullet wounds
1170
01:05:25,555 --> 01:05:27,407
because you can make artificial tracks.
1171
01:05:27,491 --> 01:05:30,610
Dr. Humes could not find any point of exit
1172
01:05:30,694 --> 01:05:32,245
anywhere else in the body.
1173
01:05:32,329 --> 01:05:33,646
In other words, it dead-ended.
1174
01:05:33,730 --> 01:05:36,700
They found that the wound
didn't go anywhere.
1175
01:05:39,903 --> 01:05:42,655
They weren't really
interested, it seems, that--
1176
01:05:42,739 --> 01:05:47,327
on how it happened,
where it happened from.
1177
01:05:47,411 --> 01:05:50,396
Nobody had mentioned
whether he had got shot
1178
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,749
in the front or the back
or the side or what.
1179
01:06:04,528 --> 01:06:06,446
I first saw the neck wound
1180
01:06:06,530 --> 01:06:09,082
when Dr. Boswell and I unwrapped the body.
1181
01:06:09,166 --> 01:06:12,885
It looked like a gaping gash.
1182
01:06:12,969 --> 01:06:14,787
We didn't examine it.
1183
01:06:14,871 --> 01:06:17,290
We were told not to bother with it;
1184
01:06:17,374 --> 01:06:18,491
it was a trach.
1185
01:06:18,575 --> 01:06:20,460
So we didn't examine it.
1186
01:06:20,544 --> 01:06:23,930
Specifically,
Pierre Finck was told to stop
1187
01:06:24,014 --> 01:06:25,431
when they were looking at the neck wound.
1188
01:06:25,515 --> 01:06:26,466
It's just a tracheotomy.
1189
01:06:26,550 --> 01:06:27,867
Stop.
Move on.
1190
01:06:27,951 --> 01:06:30,636
There was a big, gaping tracheotomy wound
1191
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,138
in the anterior neck.
1192
01:06:32,222 --> 01:06:33,573
They obliterated--
1193
01:06:33,657 --> 01:06:36,076
literally obliterated that wound.
1194
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:40,546
The problem is, the first
thing that Bethesda didn't do
1195
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:43,049
was call
Parkland Emergency Department
1196
01:06:43,133 --> 01:06:45,769
and ask them, what did you do to the body?
1197
01:06:47,071 --> 01:06:49,622
Had they called us first,
1198
01:06:49,706 --> 01:06:53,559
yes, they would have known that
there was a wound in the neck.
1199
01:06:53,643 --> 01:06:55,828
They didn't have all the information.
1200
01:07:01,418 --> 01:07:05,638
That Saturday morning after
the assassination on Friday,
1201
01:07:05,722 --> 01:07:08,574
we were just sitting
in our office, talking.
1202
01:07:08,658 --> 01:07:11,978
Dr. Perry got a phone call
from Washington,
1203
01:07:12,062 --> 01:07:15,281
from Dr. Boswell, one of the pathologists.
1204
01:07:15,365 --> 01:07:20,386
The call was that, we have
a rifle injury to the back,
1205
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:22,855
but we don't see an exit wound.
1206
01:07:22,939 --> 01:07:25,891
And we also have
a gunshot wound to the head.
1207
01:07:25,975 --> 01:07:30,530
We didn't know, when we were
called from Bethesda,
1208
01:07:30,614 --> 01:07:33,599
that there was a gunshot wound to the back
1209
01:07:33,683 --> 01:07:36,052
just to the right of the midline.
1210
01:07:37,821 --> 01:07:39,839
We didn't know there was
a wound in the back
1211
01:07:39,923 --> 01:07:41,974
because after the president died,
1212
01:07:42,058 --> 01:07:44,277
we didn't feel like it was appropriate
1213
01:07:44,361 --> 01:07:46,579
for us to do any more examining
1214
01:07:46,663 --> 01:07:48,181
or turning of the body or whatever.
1215
01:07:48,265 --> 01:07:52,585
The Naval Hospital in Bethesda didn't know
1216
01:07:52,669 --> 01:07:55,021
that there was a wound
in the front of the neck
1217
01:07:55,105 --> 01:07:57,223
because Dr. Perry's incision
had gone through it,
1218
01:07:57,307 --> 01:07:59,559
and they didn't pick up
on the fact that there was
1219
01:07:59,643 --> 01:08:01,761
a little divot in the bottom
part of that wound
1220
01:08:01,845 --> 01:08:03,863
that was what we thought was
the entrance wound.
1221
01:08:03,947 --> 01:08:08,234
But Bethesda,
they said it was their opinion
1222
01:08:08,318 --> 01:08:13,357
that the neck wound came from
the back and out the front.
1223
01:08:29,773 --> 01:08:31,991
If the autopsy had been done in Dallas,
1224
01:08:32,075 --> 01:08:34,860
Dr. Rose would have
immediately been told that
1225
01:08:34,944 --> 01:08:37,663
that was a wound, and so he
could have put that together.
1226
01:08:37,747 --> 01:08:39,465
I just think the clarification
would have been
1227
01:08:39,549 --> 01:08:41,601
a little better upfront
1228
01:08:41,685 --> 01:08:43,853
if it had been done in Dallas County.
1229
01:08:46,089 --> 01:08:49,309
So when the Bethesda
pathologists called Parkland,
1230
01:08:49,393 --> 01:08:52,578
they both found out something
that the other didn't know.
1231
01:08:52,662 --> 01:08:54,780
So the Parkland doctors were not aware
1232
01:08:54,864 --> 01:08:57,417
of the wound in Kennedy's back,
1233
01:08:57,501 --> 01:09:01,254
and the Bethesda
autopsy doctors were not aware
1234
01:09:01,338 --> 01:09:05,458
that the tracheotomy was done
over an existing wound
1235
01:09:05,542 --> 01:09:06,926
in Kennedy's throat.
1236
01:09:07,010 --> 01:09:08,728
Dr. Humes originally concluded
1237
01:09:08,812 --> 01:09:10,163
one shot to the head from behind
1238
01:09:10,247 --> 01:09:12,232
and one shot in the upper back
from behind,
1239
01:09:12,316 --> 01:09:14,066
which did not exit the body.
1240
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:15,568
He changed his conclusions
1241
01:09:15,652 --> 01:09:18,404
following the phone calls to Dr. Perry
1242
01:09:18,488 --> 01:09:20,973
and decided that a bullet transited
1243
01:09:21,057 --> 01:09:24,144
President Kennedy's body
from high in his back
1244
01:09:24,228 --> 01:09:26,746
and came out the throat.
1245
01:09:26,830 --> 01:09:30,150
The problem is that the evidence shows
1246
01:09:30,234 --> 01:09:33,119
that the wound was actually
lower and to the right,
1247
01:09:33,203 --> 01:09:35,621
such that the exit wound,
if there was one,
1248
01:09:35,705 --> 01:09:37,557
would have been closer
to the president's chest.
1249
01:09:37,641 --> 01:09:39,476
It wouldn't have been at his throat.
1250
01:09:43,947 --> 01:09:46,966
So we have to explain
this inconsistency somehow.
1251
01:09:47,050 --> 01:09:49,735
This is something that,
anyone who's studied the case
1252
01:09:49,819 --> 01:09:51,804
agrees that this is a major issue.
1253
01:09:51,888 --> 01:09:54,740
And it's determined that
the Warren Commission's gonna
1254
01:09:54,824 --> 01:09:56,493
figure out what happened.
1255
01:10:00,464 --> 01:10:02,982
President Johnson quickly
appointed a commission
1256
01:10:03,066 --> 01:10:05,785
to discover the real facts
of the assassination,
1257
01:10:05,869 --> 01:10:08,654
a commission of seven Americans
so distinguished
1258
01:10:08,738 --> 01:10:11,557
that their conclusions must
be above suspicion,
1259
01:10:11,641 --> 01:10:14,093
or so it was thought.
1260
01:10:14,177 --> 01:10:18,097
My general impression was
that the Warren Commission
1261
01:10:18,181 --> 01:10:22,202
was set up perhaps
to kind of get this over with.
1262
01:10:22,286 --> 01:10:23,636
I, like many other people,
1263
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,240
thought that this was
kind of a slapdash study
1264
01:10:27,324 --> 01:10:30,676
that was done to just kind of
cover things up,
1265
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,078
you know, sort of look at what happened
1266
01:10:33,162 --> 01:10:35,080
and make a fairly quick conclusion
1267
01:10:35,164 --> 01:10:37,934
and get it out of the people
in the country's minds.
1268
01:10:39,536 --> 01:10:42,522
The Warren Commission did
interview the Parkland doctors,
1269
01:10:42,606 --> 01:10:44,357
not all of them, but many of them.
1270
01:10:44,441 --> 01:10:45,691
And they got their perspective,
1271
01:10:45,775 --> 01:10:48,027
including that those doctors
thought there was
1272
01:10:48,111 --> 01:10:50,630
an exit wound in the back
of the president's head.
1273
01:10:50,714 --> 01:10:52,898
The assassination
of President Kennedy was,
1274
01:10:52,982 --> 01:10:56,402
inevitably, a mystery story
on a grand scale.
1275
01:10:56,486 --> 01:10:59,104
Parkland Hospital doctors
were quoted as saying
1276
01:10:59,188 --> 01:11:00,806
they thought at least one bullet entered
1277
01:11:00,890 --> 01:11:02,842
Mr. Kennedy's neck from the front.
1278
01:11:02,926 --> 01:11:05,345
All this mattered, because if there were
1279
01:11:05,429 --> 01:11:06,946
any shots from the overpass,
1280
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:09,014
if there were more than three shots,
1281
01:11:09,098 --> 01:11:12,552
then Oswald had to have had an accomplice.
1282
01:11:12,636 --> 01:11:15,120
There were concerns in the United States
1283
01:11:15,204 --> 01:11:19,925
about there being a conspiracy
about there being two shooters,
1284
01:11:20,009 --> 01:11:22,061
one shooting
President Kennedy,
1285
01:11:22,145 --> 01:11:23,729
one shooting
Governor Connally,
1286
01:11:23,813 --> 01:11:25,931
or whether there was a conspiracy,
1287
01:11:26,015 --> 01:11:30,570
be it of Russians or Cubans or Castro
1288
01:11:30,654 --> 01:11:34,123
or some rogue government agency.
1289
01:11:49,873 --> 01:11:51,957
I think the problem is that they're left
1290
01:11:52,041 --> 01:11:56,262
with only two bullets to do
all of the damage to two men.
1291
01:11:56,346 --> 01:11:59,299
The known wounds were a shot in the back
1292
01:11:59,383 --> 01:12:00,833
and a shot in the head.
1293
01:12:00,917 --> 01:12:02,935
And they're trying to account
for those two wounds,
1294
01:12:03,019 --> 01:12:05,705
plus Governor Connally's wounds,
1295
01:12:05,789 --> 01:12:07,507
with two bullets.
1296
01:12:07,591 --> 01:12:08,874
The only way to do that is
1297
01:12:08,958 --> 01:12:11,176
to have one bullet strike both men.
1298
01:12:11,260 --> 01:12:14,947
So an ambitious junior
counselor, Arlen Specter,
1299
01:12:15,031 --> 01:12:17,717
invents the single bullet theory
1300
01:12:17,801 --> 01:12:20,386
to solve a shortage of evidence.
1301
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:23,323
In the 1960s, Specter gained
national attention
1302
01:12:23,407 --> 01:12:25,725
for his work on the Warren Commission,
1303
01:12:25,809 --> 01:12:27,427
investigating the assassination
1304
01:12:27,511 --> 01:12:28,828
of President John F. Kennedy,
1305
01:12:28,912 --> 01:12:31,497
as coauthor of the single bullet theory,
1306
01:12:31,581 --> 01:12:35,318
supporting the belief there
was only one shooter involved.
1307
01:12:36,820 --> 01:12:38,738
He decides he wants a bullet
1308
01:12:38,822 --> 01:12:40,440
that hit
President Kennedy first
1309
01:12:40,524 --> 01:12:42,808
to be the one that hit Governor Connally.
1310
01:12:42,892 --> 01:12:45,811
And he twisted himself in knots
1311
01:12:45,895 --> 01:12:47,413
trying to sell that story.
1312
01:12:47,497 --> 01:12:51,083
The possibility of one bullet
having inflicted the wounds
1313
01:12:51,167 --> 01:12:53,886
on both the president's neck
and the governor's body
1314
01:12:53,970 --> 01:12:55,855
came in a very gradual way.
1315
01:12:55,939 --> 01:12:59,058
The trajectory was such
that it was almost certain
1316
01:12:59,142 --> 01:13:01,193
that the bullet which came out
of the president's neck
1317
01:13:01,277 --> 01:13:03,896
with great velocity
would have had to have hit
1318
01:13:03,980 --> 01:13:07,684
either the car or someone in the car.
1319
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,878
Well, the single bullet
theory is sheer, absolute,
1320
01:13:18,962 --> 01:13:20,613
unadulterated nonsense.
1321
01:13:20,697 --> 01:13:23,349
You have the bullet coming
out of John Kennedy,
1322
01:13:23,433 --> 01:13:26,552
moving then downward
and to the left, and yet
1323
01:13:26,636 --> 01:13:29,389
it slams into John Connally
behind the right armpit.
1324
01:13:29,473 --> 01:13:31,391
Well, Connally was sitting
directly in front of Kennedy.
1325
01:13:31,475 --> 01:13:33,659
So you've got to have the
bullet coming out of Kennedy,
1326
01:13:33,743 --> 01:13:36,396
stopping abruptly in midair,
turning to the right,
1327
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:39,331
coming back about 20 inches,
stopping again,
1328
01:13:39,415 --> 01:13:40,866
turning around now to the left,
1329
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:42,101
and going into Connally.
1330
01:13:42,185 --> 01:13:44,003
So that's the single bullet theory.
1331
01:13:44,087 --> 01:13:46,506
It is better than any roller coaster ride
1332
01:13:46,590 --> 01:13:49,341
that anybody has ever seen
anywhere in the world.
1333
01:13:49,425 --> 01:13:52,612
It is a bullet that rightfully deserves
1334
01:13:52,696 --> 01:13:55,448
the characterization that
we critics have given to it--
1335
01:13:55,532 --> 01:13:56,882
a magic bullet.
1336
01:13:56,966 --> 01:13:58,384
The big issue was,
1337
01:13:58,468 --> 01:14:00,285
is this an entrance wound
or an exit wound?
1338
01:14:00,369 --> 01:14:03,022
It was very small.
And we were always taught
1339
01:14:03,106 --> 01:14:06,692
that an exit wound is larger
than an entrance wound.
1340
01:14:06,776 --> 01:14:10,295
To me, it's just inconceivable
1341
01:14:10,379 --> 01:14:11,731
that the first shot
1342
01:14:11,815 --> 01:14:14,133
that went through his neck
entered my back.
1343
01:14:14,217 --> 01:14:15,601
I don't believe that.
I never will believe that.
1344
01:14:15,685 --> 01:14:17,954
They can't run enough tests
to make me believe that.
1345
01:14:19,623 --> 01:14:21,874
I don't think my impressions have changed
1346
01:14:21,958 --> 01:14:24,309
from the day of the assassination.
1347
01:14:24,393 --> 01:14:29,465
I've always thought that this
looked like an entrance wound.
1348
01:14:31,067 --> 01:14:34,219
Without a single bullet
theory to wound both men,
1349
01:14:34,303 --> 01:14:37,289
there has to be at least one
additional assassin.
1350
01:14:37,373 --> 01:14:40,409
And the Warren Commission
couldn't have that.
1351
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,197
The Warren report hinges
1352
01:14:45,281 --> 01:14:47,332
on the single bullet theory being true.
1353
01:14:47,416 --> 01:14:51,604
If it's not true, then we're
left with either a conspiracy
1354
01:14:51,688 --> 01:14:53,072
or just a bunch of question marks
1355
01:14:53,156 --> 01:14:55,859
as if it was never investigated at all.
1356
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,079
On September 24, 1964,
1357
01:15:00,163 --> 01:15:01,947
the commission presented its findings
1358
01:15:02,031 --> 01:15:04,116
in the form of this report
to the president.
1359
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,886
"We concluded that, in
the absence of solid evidence,
1360
01:15:06,970 --> 01:15:09,272
there was no second gunman."
1361
01:15:12,809 --> 01:15:14,460
I don't remember the exact moment
1362
01:15:14,544 --> 01:15:17,329
that I heard the results
of the Warren Commission.
1363
01:15:17,413 --> 01:15:20,766
But I was aware that
it wasn't the full truth.
1364
01:15:20,850 --> 01:15:22,968
The conclusion
of the Warren Report is that
1365
01:15:23,052 --> 01:15:24,904
the Parkland doctors must have just been
1366
01:15:24,988 --> 01:15:27,139
incorrect in their conclusion.
1367
01:15:27,223 --> 01:15:30,375
Even President Lyndon Johnson
had serious questions
1368
01:15:30,459 --> 01:15:32,745
about the single bullet theory.
1369
01:15:32,829 --> 01:15:34,780
He told
Senator Richard Russell,
1370
01:15:34,864 --> 01:15:36,315
who was on the Warren Commission,
1371
01:15:36,399 --> 01:15:39,268
during a recorded phone call,
that he didn't believe it.
1372
01:15:47,844 --> 01:15:51,296
The problem is--
the inconsistency
1373
01:15:51,380 --> 01:15:55,051
is that Johnson still believed
that Oswald acted alone.
1374
01:15:57,053 --> 01:15:59,972
The Warren Commission started
with a conclusion
1375
01:16:00,056 --> 01:16:02,374
that Oswald did it and he did it alone.
1376
01:16:02,458 --> 01:16:05,578
And they then worked to confirm that,
1377
01:16:05,662 --> 01:16:06,979
and then they disregarded
1378
01:16:07,063 --> 01:16:08,598
substantial evidence to the contrary.
1379
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,352
Certain people in our government tampered
1380
01:16:13,436 --> 01:16:16,221
with critical evidence
in order to make sure
1381
01:16:16,305 --> 01:16:17,790
the American people
would not know the truth
1382
01:16:17,874 --> 01:16:20,993
about who murdered the president.
1383
01:16:21,077 --> 01:16:22,828
And that's about as bad as it gets.
1384
01:16:24,781 --> 01:16:27,299
I'm talking about photographs
that don't look correct,
1385
01:16:27,383 --> 01:16:29,301
that look like they must have
been altered.
1386
01:16:29,385 --> 01:16:33,639
The photographs and x-rays
that we see are not consistent
1387
01:16:33,723 --> 01:16:36,576
with what the Parkland doctors
and many other people
1388
01:16:36,660 --> 01:16:38,210
who were there at Bethesda say.
1389
01:16:38,294 --> 01:16:41,180
When I saw the autopsy pictures,
1390
01:16:41,264 --> 01:16:45,117
my first response was,
I wanted to tell everybody
1391
01:16:45,201 --> 01:16:48,520
that that didn't reflect
what actually transpired.
1392
01:16:48,604 --> 01:16:50,623
I noted a wound when I came into the room,
1393
01:16:50,707 --> 01:16:53,158
which was at the right
posterior portion of the head.
1394
01:16:53,242 --> 01:16:56,395
There was a massive wound
at the back of his head.
1395
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,064
The two pictures that
I've seen that you showed me
1396
01:16:59,148 --> 01:17:01,233
that are supposedly from the archives
1397
01:17:01,317 --> 01:17:03,335
are not what I saw that night.
1398
01:17:03,419 --> 01:17:05,437
Now, I don't know where
those pictures came from.
1399
01:17:05,521 --> 01:17:06,706
It had a big hole in it.
1400
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:09,008
This whole area was gone.
1401
01:17:09,092 --> 01:17:11,543
This part of the head was gone.
1402
01:17:11,627 --> 01:17:13,378
There was no scalp there.
1403
01:17:13,462 --> 01:17:15,280
How could all these people,
1404
01:17:15,364 --> 01:17:17,216
including the doctors at Parkland,
1405
01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:19,852
conclude that the back
of the head was missing?
1406
01:17:19,936 --> 01:17:21,053
And then we go to Bethesda,
1407
01:17:21,137 --> 01:17:22,321
and all of a sudden, it's patched up.
1408
01:17:22,405 --> 01:17:23,222
What happened?
1409
01:17:23,306 --> 01:17:24,724
In order to probe that,
1410
01:17:24,808 --> 01:17:27,226
you had to go back to Parkland
1411
01:17:27,310 --> 01:17:29,461
and speak to these doctors.
1412
01:17:45,328 --> 01:17:47,680
When I saw the autopsy pictures,
1413
01:17:47,764 --> 01:17:50,916
I thought somebody had really
tampered with the whole thing,
1414
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,152
and it made me very suspicious
1415
01:17:53,236 --> 01:17:57,289
because it didn't look anything
like what I saw there.
1416
01:17:57,373 --> 01:17:59,725
And they had also completely sewed up
1417
01:17:59,809 --> 01:18:04,196
the temporoparietal side
of his head, and it was closed.
1418
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,999
And I said, how can they do--
why would they do that?
1419
01:18:07,083 --> 01:18:09,134
The cerebellum was not protruding.
1420
01:18:09,218 --> 01:18:11,871
We examined the cerebellum
photographically,
1421
01:18:11,955 --> 01:18:13,138
and it was intact.
1422
01:18:13,222 --> 01:18:14,907
Maybe the left lobe was,
1423
01:18:14,991 --> 01:18:16,776
but the right lobe had fallen out.
1424
01:18:16,860 --> 01:18:17,843
I saw that.
1425
01:18:17,927 --> 01:18:19,044
He's wrong.
1426
01:18:19,128 --> 01:18:20,680
There was no gaping hole,
1427
01:18:20,764 --> 01:18:22,347
and there was no cerebellum
1428
01:18:22,431 --> 01:18:25,084
that fell out on the car, period.
1429
01:18:25,168 --> 01:18:26,652
Andrew Purdy was counsel
1430
01:18:26,736 --> 01:18:28,553
to the House
Assassinations Committee.
1431
01:18:28,637 --> 01:18:30,856
He says the Dallas doctors are wrong.
1432
01:18:30,940 --> 01:18:32,391
When you think of the body
1433
01:18:32,475 --> 01:18:35,227
as being face up and you think,
particularly in Dallas,
1434
01:18:35,311 --> 01:18:37,529
of the amount of blood
that was involved there,
1435
01:18:37,613 --> 01:18:40,666
people couldn't distinguish
where things were.
1436
01:18:40,750 --> 01:18:43,268
It must have been
a terrible, tragic sight.
1437
01:18:43,352 --> 01:18:46,438
It was very hard for people to recollect
1438
01:18:46,522 --> 01:18:49,308
exactly where what was
when that wasn't their purpose.
1439
01:18:49,392 --> 01:18:51,276
Their purpose was
to save the president's life,
1440
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,946
and these recollections
afterwards are faulty.
1441
01:18:54,030 --> 01:18:55,981
Who is that last guy?
1442
01:18:56,065 --> 01:18:57,750
- Who is that guy?
- Is he a neurosurgeon?
1443
01:18:59,368 --> 01:19:02,988
The wound, when we were
taking care of the president,
1444
01:19:03,072 --> 01:19:05,090
was not that bloody, actually.
1445
01:19:05,174 --> 01:19:07,192
- No.
- He had already bled out
1446
01:19:07,276 --> 01:19:10,763
significantly at the time of the injury.
1447
01:19:10,847 --> 01:19:12,097
Well, he wasn't there, so he...
1448
01:19:12,181 --> 01:19:13,432
- He wasn't there.
- Not--you know,
1449
01:19:13,516 --> 01:19:16,268
he's not capable of rendering an opinion.
1450
01:19:16,352 --> 01:19:20,706
He's just going
by autopsy x-ray, most likely.
1451
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:23,042
That's a whole different perspective.
1452
01:19:23,126 --> 01:19:26,511
And those x-rays that I've seen are wrong.
1453
01:19:26,595 --> 01:19:30,916
I was both on the right side
and on the left side
1454
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,852
in the course of the treatment.
1455
01:19:32,936 --> 01:19:36,188
And I didn't see any facial damage
1456
01:19:36,272 --> 01:19:38,423
or any area in the forehead--
1457
01:19:38,507 --> 01:19:40,692
any damage in the forehead area.
1458
01:19:40,776 --> 01:19:42,161
It just--it wasn't there.
1459
01:19:42,245 --> 01:19:44,096
No, that's why it's inconsistent
1460
01:19:44,180 --> 01:19:46,065
with the pictures--
the x-ray pictures,
1461
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:48,333
which show orbital destruction
1462
01:19:48,417 --> 01:19:51,070
that would show things externally.
1463
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:59,544
But obviously, this has been tampered with
1464
01:19:59,628 --> 01:20:02,047
because they've replaced the scalp
1465
01:20:02,131 --> 01:20:04,600
that was wide-open when I saw the wound.
1466
01:20:07,436 --> 01:20:10,222
I mean, they've done that at the autopsy.
1467
01:20:10,306 --> 01:20:12,758
That's--that's the work in Washington.
1468
01:20:12,842 --> 01:20:15,094
I had seen this massive hole
1469
01:20:15,178 --> 01:20:16,762
in the back of the president's head.
1470
01:20:16,846 --> 01:20:20,332
But then in one
of the pictures, as I recall,
1471
01:20:20,416 --> 01:20:24,269
it looked to me like they were
pulling a flap of scalp
1472
01:20:24,353 --> 01:20:26,705
up over this hole and covering it.
1473
01:20:26,789 --> 01:20:29,274
And in fact, I thought I could
see the finger and the thumb
1474
01:20:29,358 --> 01:20:31,476
of whoever was pulling this flap.
1475
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:35,147
And I thought that it was
pulled up to cover that hole.
1476
01:20:35,231 --> 01:20:38,050
Someone told me,
oh, no, that wasn't a flap.
1477
01:20:38,134 --> 01:20:39,384
That's just the way it looked.
1478
01:20:39,468 --> 01:20:40,920
I said, no, it didn't.
1479
01:20:46,242 --> 01:20:47,592
The government handled the problem
1480
01:20:47,676 --> 01:20:50,695
of the Parkland doctors
badly and dishonorably.
1481
01:20:50,779 --> 01:20:53,232
They should have shown them
those photographs and said,
1482
01:20:53,316 --> 01:20:56,201
is this the way
President Kennedy looked
1483
01:20:56,285 --> 01:20:57,753
in Trauma Room 1?
1484
01:20:59,288 --> 01:21:00,539
The Parkland doctors would have said,
1485
01:21:00,623 --> 01:21:02,407
no, that's not the way
the president looked
1486
01:21:02,491 --> 01:21:03,943
at Parkland Hospital.
1487
01:21:04,027 --> 01:21:06,295
And you can see that in the Zapruder film.
1488
01:21:08,297 --> 01:21:10,816
I think the Zapruder film had a lot to do
1489
01:21:10,900 --> 01:21:15,154
with concerns about
how the president was shot.
1490
01:21:15,238 --> 01:21:17,689
President Kennedy was the first person
1491
01:21:17,773 --> 01:21:21,726
to be seen on a video being killed.
1492
01:21:21,810 --> 01:21:23,929
This is one of the most important films
1493
01:21:24,013 --> 01:21:25,965
that exists in history.
1494
01:21:26,049 --> 01:21:28,633
And nevertheless,
the American people didn't know
1495
01:21:28,717 --> 01:21:32,004
about the Zapruder film
until Robert Groden
1496
01:21:32,088 --> 01:21:34,974
and Dick Gregory went
on the "Geraldo" show.
1497
01:21:35,058 --> 01:21:36,942
Eh, was it 1975?
1498
01:21:41,530 --> 01:21:44,316
This is very heavy.
It's the film shot
1499
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:48,387
by the Dallas dress
manufacturer Abraham Zapruder,
1500
01:21:48,471 --> 01:21:51,924
and it's the execution
of President Kennedy.
1501
01:21:52,008 --> 01:21:53,825
And, you know, before
he goes behind the sign,
1502
01:21:53,909 --> 01:21:55,961
the president is waving to the crowd.
1503
01:21:56,045 --> 01:21:58,163
When he comes out from behind
the sign, he is shot.
1504
01:21:58,247 --> 01:21:59,631
And then
Governor Connally is shot.
1505
01:21:59,715 --> 01:22:02,634
He's already been hit.
He's already been hit.
1506
01:22:02,718 --> 01:22:06,371
And now, at the bottom
of the screen, the head shot.
1507
01:22:06,455 --> 01:22:08,307
That's the shot that blew off his head.
1508
01:22:08,391 --> 01:22:11,260
It's the most horrifying thing
I've ever seen in a movie.
1509
01:22:13,396 --> 01:22:15,614
The Zapruder film is an 8-millimeter film
1510
01:22:15,698 --> 01:22:18,183
that was taken by Abraham Zapruder,
1511
01:22:18,267 --> 01:22:19,952
who was in Dealey Plaza that day,
1512
01:22:20,036 --> 01:22:22,054
and he was standing on the grassy knoll
1513
01:22:22,138 --> 01:22:24,924
on a concrete platform
so he had a better view.
1514
01:22:25,008 --> 01:22:28,360
As the president was coming
down from Houston Street
1515
01:22:28,444 --> 01:22:32,397
and making his turn, it was
about halfway down there,
1516
01:22:32,481 --> 01:22:33,999
I heard a shot.
1517
01:22:34,083 --> 01:22:38,237
Then he just slumped
to the side like this.
1518
01:22:38,321 --> 01:22:39,671
Then I heard another shot or two.
1519
01:22:39,755 --> 01:22:41,606
I couldn't say whether it was one or two.
1520
01:22:41,690 --> 01:22:44,009
And I saw his head practically open up,
1521
01:22:44,093 --> 01:22:45,945
all blood and everything.
1522
01:22:46,029 --> 01:22:47,879
And I kept on shooting.
1523
01:22:47,963 --> 01:22:49,714
When you see the Zapruder film,
1524
01:22:49,798 --> 01:22:52,851
you see the motorcade coming
off of Houston Street
1525
01:22:52,935 --> 01:22:56,855
and making a slow turn onto Elm Street,
1526
01:22:56,939 --> 01:23:00,092
heading toward the triple underpass.
1527
01:23:00,176 --> 01:23:03,262
And they look perfectly okay
until they make
1528
01:23:03,346 --> 01:23:05,264
that slow turn, and all of a sudden,
1529
01:23:05,348 --> 01:23:08,367
both of the president's hands
go up to his neck like that,
1530
01:23:08,451 --> 01:23:11,070
like something has happened.
1531
01:23:11,154 --> 01:23:13,138
This bullet hole in his neck,
1532
01:23:13,222 --> 01:23:16,308
we thought--in fact,
Dr. Perry said to the newsmen
1533
01:23:16,392 --> 01:23:19,078
right after we got out of Trauma Room 1
1534
01:23:19,162 --> 01:23:21,846
that maybe we thought
this was an entrance wound
1535
01:23:21,930 --> 01:23:24,449
here in his neck, near his windpipe,
1536
01:23:24,533 --> 01:23:26,651
just above his clavicle.
1537
01:23:26,735 --> 01:23:29,188
And Mrs. Kennedy has realized
something is wrong,
1538
01:23:29,272 --> 01:23:33,325
and she's leaning over to him
as if to ask, what's wrong?
1539
01:23:33,409 --> 01:23:35,127
And just as she does that,
1540
01:23:35,211 --> 01:23:39,298
the president's head
literally explodes violently,
1541
01:23:39,382 --> 01:23:42,267
and he's thrown backward and to the left.
1542
01:23:42,351 --> 01:23:44,970
And that's when I think a missile hit him
1543
01:23:45,054 --> 01:23:46,838
from the picket fence.
1544
01:23:46,922 --> 01:23:50,675
The fatal wound came
from the front, I think,
1545
01:23:50,759 --> 01:23:52,744
and other people believe that too.
1546
01:23:52,828 --> 01:23:55,714
Powers and Kenny O'Donnell,
1547
01:23:55,798 --> 01:23:58,817
who were riding in one of the cars behind,
1548
01:23:58,901 --> 01:24:02,354
they were convinced that
that fatal shot came
1549
01:24:02,438 --> 01:24:05,408
from the grassy knoll
and the picket fence.
1550
01:24:06,975 --> 01:24:09,961
Self-proclaimed eyewitnesses all claim
1551
01:24:10,045 --> 01:24:12,064
seeing a second gunman
1552
01:24:12,148 --> 01:24:14,533
shooting from behind the picket fence.
1553
01:24:14,617 --> 01:24:16,535
The shot that killed
President Kennedy didn't come
1554
01:24:16,619 --> 01:24:17,702
from the Book Depository.
1555
01:24:17,786 --> 01:24:19,538
They were talking about the fact
1556
01:24:19,622 --> 01:24:21,640
that Mr. Oswald was up
in that School Book.
1557
01:24:21,724 --> 01:24:23,808
And I kept saying, no, he was not there.
1558
01:24:23,892 --> 01:24:24,909
I saw this.
1559
01:24:24,993 --> 01:24:26,078
I was standing here.
1560
01:24:26,162 --> 01:24:28,313
I saw this.
I saw the whole thing.
1561
01:24:28,397 --> 01:24:30,482
I looked up.
Right there in the bushes,
1562
01:24:30,566 --> 01:24:33,018
this man was shooting with a rifle.
1563
01:24:33,102 --> 01:24:35,487
And I saw a puff of smoke
and a flash of light
1564
01:24:35,571 --> 01:24:38,490
at the very instant
that Kennedy's head exploded.
1565
01:24:38,574 --> 01:24:40,025
This is the view of Elm Street
1566
01:24:40,109 --> 01:24:42,361
from the grassy knoll,
up behind the picket fence
1567
01:24:42,445 --> 01:24:46,098
where some critics claim
another gunman lay concealed.
1568
01:24:46,182 --> 01:24:47,666
Came from that picket fence.
1569
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:50,635
I glanced over to underneath
that green tree,
1570
01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:52,637
and you could see a little puff of smoke.
1571
01:24:52,721 --> 01:24:55,507
It looked like a puff of steam
or cigarette smoke.
1572
01:24:55,591 --> 01:24:57,242
The Zapruder film does not show
1573
01:24:57,326 --> 01:24:59,644
the back of the president's
head getting blown out.
1574
01:24:59,728 --> 01:25:02,847
We see the shot to the right temple,
1575
01:25:02,931 --> 01:25:05,016
and we know from the witnesses
1576
01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:06,902
that there was a blast out of the head.
1577
01:25:08,671 --> 01:25:11,923
The Parkland doctors are
telling us the truth,
1578
01:25:12,007 --> 01:25:14,759
truth beyond any and all doubt.
1579
01:25:14,843 --> 01:25:17,629
The issue, in retrospect,
1580
01:25:17,713 --> 01:25:20,932
was, if Oswald was
in the sixth floor Depository,
1581
01:25:21,016 --> 01:25:23,435
how could he have been shot
from the front, then?
1582
01:25:23,519 --> 01:25:27,439
And so was there more than one assailant?
1583
01:25:27,523 --> 01:25:30,442
Arlen Specter came to Parkland,
1584
01:25:30,526 --> 01:25:33,812
and he said, we have people
who will testify
1585
01:25:33,896 --> 01:25:36,047
that they saw the president shot
1586
01:25:36,131 --> 01:25:39,318
from the front from the railroad track.
1587
01:25:39,402 --> 01:25:43,155
But he said, we don't believe
they have credible testimony.
1588
01:25:43,239 --> 01:25:46,057
But I don't want you to say
anything else about that.
1589
01:25:46,141 --> 01:25:48,627
The Zapruder film, when he's hit,
1590
01:25:48,711 --> 01:25:51,963
you see this whole flash
of bone, you know, coming out.
1591
01:25:52,047 --> 01:25:54,666
And that was compatible with what I saw
1592
01:25:54,750 --> 01:25:57,536
from his right side, where I was located.
1593
01:25:57,620 --> 01:26:02,040
How could a gunshot from the rear
1594
01:26:02,124 --> 01:26:05,510
peel the scalp from the front back?
1595
01:26:05,594 --> 01:26:08,880
And my opinion is that
this was a flap from the--
1596
01:26:08,964 --> 01:26:11,716
the whole right side bunched up
into the back of the--
1597
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,153
- It was, yeah.
- At the base of the occiput.
1598
01:26:14,237 --> 01:26:15,820
Yeah.
And you see that,
1599
01:26:15,904 --> 01:26:18,857
and I think that kind of fell
back into place a little bit.
1600
01:26:18,941 --> 01:26:20,959
But then the missile went on through
1601
01:26:21,043 --> 01:26:23,862
and blew out the back of his head.
1602
01:26:23,946 --> 01:26:25,664
Yeah.
It was temporal also.
1603
01:26:25,748 --> 01:26:27,832
And you can see that in the Zapruder film.
1604
01:26:27,916 --> 01:26:30,034
- But I saw that on him.
- Yeah.
1605
01:26:30,118 --> 01:26:31,186
- Mm-hmm.
- Yeah.
1606
01:26:34,156 --> 01:26:37,676
I think it's honorable
that the Parkland physicians
1607
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:42,214
and nurses have maintained
their original positions
1608
01:26:42,298 --> 01:26:47,652
and have not deviated from
what they observed in 1963,
1609
01:26:47,736 --> 01:26:49,288
60 years ago.
1610
01:26:49,372 --> 01:26:56,195
The evidence shows that
the murder of the president
1611
01:26:56,279 --> 01:27:00,365
was a straightforward shooting, period.
1612
01:27:00,449 --> 01:27:01,766
What's more likely,
1613
01:27:01,850 --> 01:27:03,735
Parkland doctors telling the truth
1614
01:27:03,819 --> 01:27:05,704
or the autopsy telling the truth?
1615
01:27:05,788 --> 01:27:09,040
In all probability,
there was a conspiracy,
1616
01:27:09,124 --> 01:27:11,843
i.e., there was more than one shooter.
1617
01:27:11,927 --> 01:27:15,714
And I think that shooter was
behind the picket fence
1618
01:27:15,798 --> 01:27:18,650
on the grassy knoll, and then someone was
1619
01:27:18,734 --> 01:27:21,970
in the sixth floor of the Book Depository.
1620
01:27:24,707 --> 01:27:27,392
That first day, in the first 24 hours,
1621
01:27:27,476 --> 01:27:30,995
we, I think, all thought that
that was an entrance wound.
1622
01:27:31,079 --> 01:27:35,700
I've always entertained
a strong possibility
1623
01:27:35,784 --> 01:27:40,439
of there being more than one shooter.
1624
01:27:40,523 --> 01:27:42,173
It was a lie.
1625
01:27:42,257 --> 01:27:45,794
They really didn't
tell the truth about it.
1626
01:27:55,504 --> 01:28:00,091
I didn't ever think he would
be in Parkland on the gurney
1627
01:28:00,175 --> 01:28:01,960
and we would be taking care of him
1628
01:28:02,044 --> 01:28:05,180
and watch him take his last breath.
1629
01:28:08,784 --> 01:28:10,602
Probably one of the most dramatic moments
1630
01:28:10,686 --> 01:28:13,872
in U.S. history and a pivotal moment
1631
01:28:13,956 --> 01:28:16,191
for me and my whole life.
1632
01:28:18,260 --> 01:28:20,445
I've had a very interesting life.
1633
01:28:20,529 --> 01:28:22,914
I've had a lot of intersections
1634
01:28:22,998 --> 01:28:24,983
with events and people,
1635
01:28:25,067 --> 01:28:28,353
but none as dramatic and as strong
1636
01:28:28,437 --> 01:28:30,639
as the events of that day.
1637
01:28:32,007 --> 01:28:34,710
Sometimes the sadness comes out.
1638
01:28:36,244 --> 01:28:38,497
The thought of the assassination
1639
01:28:38,581 --> 01:28:41,400
and my participation in it,
as well as others,
1640
01:28:41,484 --> 01:28:43,201
never goes away.
1641
01:28:43,285 --> 01:28:47,306
You replay that day in your mind.
1642
01:28:47,390 --> 01:28:49,941
It certainly is the most significant event
1643
01:28:50,025 --> 01:28:52,895
that ever occurred in my life.
1644
01:28:54,262 --> 01:28:58,517
I take my being there very seriously.
1645
01:28:58,601 --> 01:29:01,720
And I don't really enjoy
1646
01:29:01,804 --> 01:29:04,756
telling the story of what happened.
1647
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,926
But it was a very important time,
1648
01:29:08,010 --> 01:29:11,614
and it was my destiny to be there.
1649
01:29:14,249 --> 01:29:16,335
In America,
I think it was one of the most
1650
01:29:16,419 --> 01:29:20,372
significant events of the century,
1651
01:29:20,456 --> 01:29:23,508
but also a loss of innocence.
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