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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:22,010 --> 00:02:23,111 Nic. 2 00:02:23,243 --> 00:02:24,646 I'm sorry I'm so late. 3 00:02:24,779 --> 00:02:26,814 I wondered if anything had happened to you. 4 00:02:26,948 --> 00:02:28,281 I overslept. 5 00:02:28,415 --> 00:02:29,684 Look at you! 6 00:02:30,785 --> 00:02:32,787 Look at you. 7 00:02:34,722 --> 00:02:38,258 Wow. Thank you for dressing up for me. 8 00:02:38,392 --> 00:02:40,260 Sorry, Aunt Priya. 9 00:02:40,394 --> 00:02:42,730 Let's drop the "aunt" for this weekend. 10 00:02:42,864 --> 00:02:44,164 You are my aunt, though. 11 00:02:44,297 --> 00:02:46,266 Yes, I am, but by marriage. 12 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,603 That's important for this conversation. 13 00:02:49,369 --> 00:02:51,471 What have I gotten myself into? 14 00:02:51,606 --> 00:02:54,307 I promise I will keep it relatively painless. 15 00:02:54,441 --> 00:02:55,710 Was that a pun? 16 00:02:56,309 --> 00:02:58,178 -What was a pun? -"Relatively" painless? 17 00:02:58,311 --> 00:03:00,882 Oh, dear God. Unintended. 18 00:03:02,817 --> 00:03:04,786 - This outfit. - I mean, 19 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,555 I figured if we were gonna be sittin' around all weekend, 20 00:03:07,689 --> 00:03:09,791 I might as well stay comfortable. 21 00:03:09,924 --> 00:03:10,992 - Plus... - Mm-hmm. 22 00:03:11,125 --> 00:03:12,292 You wanna know the best part? 23 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:15,563 -There's a flap in the butt. -I mean, why-- why-- why? 24 00:03:15,697 --> 00:03:18,566 - Not interested. - You're no fun. 25 00:03:19,466 --> 00:03:20,802 You look great, though. 26 00:03:21,435 --> 00:03:23,004 Did you get all dolled up for me? 27 00:03:23,137 --> 00:03:27,075 No, no, I had a-- Uh, a faculty thing this morning. 28 00:03:27,207 --> 00:03:28,442 It was online. 29 00:03:28,576 --> 00:03:29,944 Meaning no one was wearing pants? 30 00:03:30,377 --> 00:03:32,479 Says the man in pajamas with no underwear. 31 00:03:32,613 --> 00:03:34,549 I don't remember telling you 32 00:03:34,682 --> 00:03:36,483 that I wasn't wearing underwear, 33 00:03:36,617 --> 00:03:38,886 but I guess if that's what you picture. 34 00:03:39,787 --> 00:03:41,589 Two minutes in and you're already caught on 35 00:03:41,723 --> 00:03:44,324 your little tape thingy being inappropriate. 36 00:03:45,425 --> 00:03:46,661 You are recording this, right? 37 00:03:46,794 --> 00:03:49,463 No, not yet. I'd tell you first. 38 00:03:49,597 --> 00:03:51,165 Yeah, I'm not rushing you at all. 39 00:03:51,298 --> 00:03:54,769 I just get kind of... antsy. 40 00:03:54,902 --> 00:04:00,440 But luckily Jasper let me borrow his little magnets. 41 00:04:00,575 --> 00:04:02,476 We got them for his anxiety, 42 00:04:02,610 --> 00:04:04,912 but honestly, I use them more than he does. 43 00:04:05,046 --> 00:04:06,214 Oh, let me see. 44 00:04:06,346 --> 00:04:09,016 Yeah, I've-- I've seen-- 45 00:04:09,550 --> 00:04:11,652 Yeah, no, get ahead of that. That's good. 46 00:04:11,786 --> 00:04:13,654 I have these guys. 47 00:04:14,354 --> 00:04:18,358 Oh, wow. I've never seen these. 48 00:04:19,627 --> 00:04:21,629 Wow, that is really soothing. 49 00:04:21,996 --> 00:04:24,264 You can use them for the weekend. 50 00:04:24,397 --> 00:04:25,733 Thank you. 51 00:04:25,867 --> 00:04:27,602 How are the kids and Kristen doing? 52 00:04:27,735 --> 00:04:30,738 Well, uh, Kristen just stopped traveling for work, 53 00:04:30,872 --> 00:04:32,405 so we're sort of adjusting to 54 00:04:32,540 --> 00:04:34,242 being around each other this much, 55 00:04:34,374 --> 00:04:36,110 but the kids are so cute. 56 00:04:36,244 --> 00:04:37,444 Wanna see? 57 00:04:37,879 --> 00:04:39,312 Well, I mean, between you and Kristen, 58 00:04:39,446 --> 00:04:41,048 how could they not be gorgeous? 59 00:04:41,182 --> 00:04:42,415 Here they are. 60 00:04:42,550 --> 00:04:44,585 -Cute times two. -They are adorable. 61 00:04:44,719 --> 00:04:45,720 - I know. - Were they so sad 62 00:04:45,853 --> 00:04:47,287 to lose you for the weekend? 63 00:04:47,420 --> 00:04:49,524 Oh, my God. Jasper burst into tears 64 00:04:49,657 --> 00:04:51,358 every time the trip was mentioned. 65 00:04:51,491 --> 00:04:55,295 Jocelyn is a lot like her mom and she only barely needs me. 66 00:04:55,897 --> 00:04:58,666 What about Uncle Aaron? Or-- Sorry. 67 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,368 What about Aaron? Where's the hubs? 68 00:05:01,502 --> 00:05:04,038 - In, uh, London. - Oh. 69 00:05:04,172 --> 00:05:05,438 He's been on a sabbatical 70 00:05:05,573 --> 00:05:06,808 and periodically comes back and forth, 71 00:05:06,941 --> 00:05:09,376 but, uh, he's not here this weekend. 72 00:05:15,249 --> 00:05:16,818 Thank you. 73 00:05:16,951 --> 00:05:19,654 Anyway, thank you so much for setting aside the time 74 00:05:19,787 --> 00:05:21,022 and making the drive down. 75 00:05:21,155 --> 00:05:22,790 I so appreciate it. My, uh-- 76 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:25,827 my publisher called and gave me a hard deadline 77 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,296 for this book of ours, so I am really happy 78 00:05:28,428 --> 00:05:30,298 to have your full attention. 79 00:05:30,430 --> 00:05:33,167 Oh, you do. Just... 80 00:05:33,301 --> 00:05:35,736 Oh, your daughter just texted me. 81 00:05:35,870 --> 00:05:37,370 I did tell her I was seeing you today. 82 00:05:37,505 --> 00:05:41,776 Uh, apparently Laurel still has that-- 83 00:05:41,909 --> 00:05:45,847 that Nicki picture that I gave her years ago. 84 00:05:45,980 --> 00:05:49,349 Quite a crush on her cousin, the famous model. 85 00:05:49,482 --> 00:05:51,853 Briefly famous. Anyhow. 86 00:05:51,986 --> 00:05:54,889 See how Laurel kissed me where it counts? 87 00:05:55,022 --> 00:05:56,456 Okay, that-- that-- 88 00:05:56,624 --> 00:05:58,826 You guys are blood cousins. Can-- Yeah. Yeah. 89 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,428 Oh, shit. Sorry. I'm just seeing all the texts 90 00:06:01,562 --> 00:06:03,430 that you sent when I was driving. 91 00:06:03,564 --> 00:06:05,666 Okay, if that is Laurel, I will tell her-- 92 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,668 You can get it if you need to. 93 00:06:13,708 --> 00:06:16,344 It's just the home. It's-- it's just my dad. 94 00:06:16,476 --> 00:06:18,179 Your dad's in the nursing home? 95 00:06:18,312 --> 00:06:19,981 Mm-hmm, yeah, he's been there for a while since my mom died, 96 00:06:20,114 --> 00:06:22,550 but that is a completely different topic. 97 00:06:22,683 --> 00:06:25,953 -Sorry. -Um, oh, no, no, totally fine. 98 00:06:26,087 --> 00:06:28,289 Um... 99 00:06:28,421 --> 00:06:32,226 Nic, maybe we should turn our phones off so we can all focus. 100 00:06:33,094 --> 00:06:35,329 You still only have the weekend, right? 101 00:06:35,462 --> 00:06:41,302 Yeah. I think I need to leave by, like, 2:00 or 3:00 tomorrow? 102 00:06:41,434 --> 00:06:43,871 I thought we had all day tomorrow. 103 00:06:44,005 --> 00:06:48,075 No, I'm so sorry. I promised I'd be back by bedtime. 104 00:06:48,209 --> 00:06:50,878 Okay. Well, why don't we just get right to it then? 105 00:06:51,012 --> 00:06:59,887 Oh, my God. Your magnum opus, The Abusive Patriarchy. 106 00:07:00,721 --> 00:07:02,390 You're so sad in the cover of this. 107 00:07:02,523 --> 00:07:04,125 Do you remember what happened? 108 00:07:07,295 --> 00:07:11,431 Uh, yeah, I ruined what my dad thought was a good photograph 109 00:07:11,565 --> 00:07:13,834 with a sneeze... 110 00:07:13,968 --> 00:07:16,704 ...so he spanked me right there in front of the photographer, 111 00:07:17,071 --> 00:07:19,707 and that picture was taken right after. 112 00:07:20,875 --> 00:07:22,576 If you look really close, 113 00:07:22,710 --> 00:07:25,146 you can see the tear marks down my face. 114 00:07:26,614 --> 00:07:27,682 Damn. 115 00:07:28,015 --> 00:07:29,482 You say all that so casually. 116 00:07:29,617 --> 00:07:30,985 Oh, I have worked through it. 117 00:07:31,118 --> 00:07:32,787 It's all I've been writing about for years. 118 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,756 I'm over it, everyone else is clearly over it. 119 00:07:35,890 --> 00:07:38,125 This is what's so exciting. This book is all about you. 120 00:07:38,259 --> 00:07:40,094 Do you have any coffee? 121 00:07:43,264 --> 00:07:44,565 What? 122 00:07:44,699 --> 00:07:46,934 Yes, of course I have coffee, 123 00:07:47,068 --> 00:07:50,838 but Nic, we really have to do this. 124 00:07:50,972 --> 00:07:54,575 Coffee and then we'll jump right in. I promise. 125 00:07:55,576 --> 00:07:57,979 Maybe a quick tour of the place too? 126 00:07:58,112 --> 00:08:01,549 I mean, these columns are incredible. 127 00:08:14,662 --> 00:08:16,530 These are so fun. 128 00:08:16,664 --> 00:08:17,999 Mm-hmm. 129 00:08:20,368 --> 00:08:22,169 Okay. 130 00:08:22,737 --> 00:08:24,005 You ready? 131 00:08:24,138 --> 00:08:28,075 -Uh, recording makes it so real. -Mmm. 132 00:08:29,043 --> 00:08:30,077 Yeah. 133 00:08:31,212 --> 00:08:34,815 I promise you, Nic, you are in a safe space. 134 00:08:36,050 --> 00:08:40,221 Okay. Um, I would like to start off by giving you a compliment. 135 00:08:40,354 --> 00:08:42,990 Everything should start by giving me a compliment. 136 00:08:43,124 --> 00:08:44,358 Duly noted. 137 00:08:44,859 --> 00:08:49,230 I think it is incredible what you represent as a model, 138 00:08:49,363 --> 00:08:53,968 as Nicki, uh, so openly owning your pansexuality. 139 00:08:54,101 --> 00:08:56,604 Is that how you identify, by the way, as pansexual? 140 00:08:57,038 --> 00:08:58,906 Yeah, I never really liked defining it, 141 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:04,812 like, gay or straight or bi, boys, girls, blah, blah, blah. 142 00:09:04,945 --> 00:09:07,481 And I think a lot of young people would say that today, 143 00:09:07,615 --> 00:09:13,721 but that wasn't part of the vernacular back in 2012, right? 144 00:09:13,854 --> 00:09:15,656 That's when you had your big rush of fame. 145 00:09:15,790 --> 00:09:17,925 Yeah. Ish. 146 00:09:18,059 --> 00:09:19,660 And in your current career-- 147 00:09:19,794 --> 00:09:22,396 I mean, if you can call drawing porn a career. 148 00:09:22,531 --> 00:09:23,998 I can. And I do. 149 00:09:24,131 --> 00:09:27,034 I think your cartoon work is actually amazing. 150 00:09:27,168 --> 00:09:30,371 I think it pushes against taboos. 151 00:09:30,505 --> 00:09:32,606 It's very feminist work for me. 152 00:09:32,740 --> 00:09:34,475 -Wow. Well, thanks. -Mm-hmm. 153 00:09:34,942 --> 00:09:37,878 And your work has always dealt with the sexual, 154 00:09:38,012 --> 00:09:41,048 so why don't we just begin there? 155 00:09:41,182 --> 00:09:44,885 Um, what are your earliest sexual memories? 156 00:09:45,019 --> 00:09:49,390 Hmm. Okay. Here we go, I guess. 157 00:09:49,524 --> 00:09:54,161 Uh, earliest sexual memories... 158 00:09:54,295 --> 00:09:57,731 Do you mean, like, consensual ones? 159 00:09:58,499 --> 00:10:00,601 Are there non-consensual ones? 160 00:10:01,702 --> 00:10:04,205 Yeah. Um... 161 00:10:04,672 --> 00:10:06,474 Yeah, my earliest sexual memories 162 00:10:06,607 --> 00:10:11,278 were actually with these, uh, these friends of my parents. 163 00:10:11,812 --> 00:10:13,114 Um... 164 00:10:13,914 --> 00:10:15,449 They would babysit me 165 00:10:15,584 --> 00:10:18,553 and we would, like, take these baths together, 166 00:10:18,719 --> 00:10:20,421 and we'd all be naked, 167 00:10:20,555 --> 00:10:24,325 and she would, like, cradle me in her arms 168 00:10:24,458 --> 00:10:27,596 and try to get me to suck her breasts. 169 00:10:27,728 --> 00:10:30,698 He'd, like, scrub us both down. 170 00:10:30,831 --> 00:10:34,603 So, that was totally normal. And... 171 00:10:35,369 --> 00:10:38,239 now it's on the record forever, I guess. 172 00:10:38,372 --> 00:10:39,508 Uh... 173 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,275 I'm sorry that happened to you. 174 00:10:41,408 --> 00:10:44,245 - I'm totally fine. - Mmm. 175 00:10:47,648 --> 00:10:49,984 Um, I mean, I'm sorry, those-- That's the kind of stuff 176 00:10:50,117 --> 00:10:52,153 that your parents should have protected you from, right? 177 00:10:52,286 --> 00:10:54,088 - They didn't know. - Mm-hmm. 178 00:10:54,221 --> 00:10:58,459 I didn't tell them because the couple said that if I did, 179 00:10:58,593 --> 00:11:00,529 I'd get in trouble, so. 180 00:11:00,661 --> 00:11:02,496 Did you eventually tell them? 181 00:11:02,631 --> 00:11:05,699 Uh, yeah. Yeah. Much later. 182 00:11:05,833 --> 00:11:08,769 I told my dad, um, 183 00:11:08,903 --> 00:11:10,505 but he kind of just brushed it off 184 00:11:10,639 --> 00:11:13,240 so he wouldn't have to take responsibility for it. 185 00:11:13,374 --> 00:11:17,778 You know Lewis. Not exactly big on owning up to shit. 186 00:11:17,912 --> 00:11:20,014 -Runs in the family. -Who, me? 187 00:11:20,147 --> 00:11:22,383 No, no, no, not you. Aaron. Your uncle Aaron. 188 00:11:22,517 --> 00:11:27,288 He is kind and calm, but he's a very scholarly man 189 00:11:27,421 --> 00:11:31,425 who just doesn't believe in investigating his own emotions. 190 00:11:31,825 --> 00:11:34,563 Yeah. Kristen is anti-emotion too. 191 00:11:34,695 --> 00:11:37,498 She actually hates it when I tell her I love her. 192 00:11:37,632 --> 00:11:42,770 Like, she gets visibly upset. It's bizarre, 193 00:11:43,737 --> 00:11:45,272 but... 194 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,309 That must be hard. 195 00:11:48,442 --> 00:11:50,778 I probably shouldn't talk about Kristen, actually. 196 00:11:50,911 --> 00:11:52,179 She'll kill me. 197 00:11:52,647 --> 00:11:54,415 We can circle back to her. 198 00:11:55,249 --> 00:11:56,317 Or not. 199 00:11:56,817 --> 00:12:02,691 Okay. Um, Nic, have you given any thought to how this-- 200 00:12:02,823 --> 00:12:07,562 this kind of early experience of yours has affected you 201 00:12:07,696 --> 00:12:09,230 on a formative level? 202 00:12:09,363 --> 00:12:11,799 Like, does it play into your current sex life at all? 203 00:12:11,932 --> 00:12:15,336 Um... 204 00:12:15,469 --> 00:12:17,404 what are you getting at? 205 00:12:17,539 --> 00:12:19,840 I'm not getting at anything. 206 00:12:19,974 --> 00:12:21,509 I'm just pursuing a line of thought 207 00:12:21,643 --> 00:12:24,979 on how trauma can forge aspects of a human personality 208 00:12:25,112 --> 00:12:27,481 and demolish aspects of a human personality. 209 00:12:27,616 --> 00:12:30,184 Oh, yeah? Mm-kay. 210 00:12:30,884 --> 00:12:35,389 How did trauma demolish your human personality? 211 00:12:35,523 --> 00:12:37,592 That seems obliterated. 212 00:12:37,726 --> 00:12:40,027 Okay. Let's just change subjects for a while. 213 00:12:41,663 --> 00:12:44,231 Um, are you an avid masturbator? 214 00:12:44,365 --> 00:12:45,866 - Currently? - Mm-hmm. 215 00:12:46,333 --> 00:12:48,936 I mean, when you're really good at something, 216 00:12:49,069 --> 00:12:50,804 you do it as much as you can. 217 00:12:51,405 --> 00:12:54,041 Are-- are you really gonna put something like that in the book? 218 00:12:54,174 --> 00:12:57,177 Oh, I'm just trying to get a complete picture of who you are. 219 00:12:57,311 --> 00:13:00,548 Your sexual history, current sexual habits, 220 00:13:00,682 --> 00:13:02,316 nothing's off-limits. 221 00:13:02,449 --> 00:13:06,253 Yeah. No, that makes sense. How often do you masturbate? 222 00:13:07,288 --> 00:13:09,256 This book is not about me. 223 00:13:09,390 --> 00:13:10,659 I-- I know, 224 00:13:10,791 --> 00:13:13,561 but I figure if I'm gonna be laying it all out 225 00:13:13,695 --> 00:13:16,531 on the table for you, you can at least reciprocate. 226 00:13:16,665 --> 00:13:18,633 Nic, look at that bookshelf over there. 227 00:13:18,999 --> 00:13:21,636 You see it? My psyche has been mined to death. 228 00:13:21,770 --> 00:13:23,103 There's nothing new there. 229 00:13:23,237 --> 00:13:26,373 Priya, can we please make this, like, 230 00:13:26,508 --> 00:13:30,578 more of a dialogue instead of a stuffy interview, please? 231 00:13:30,712 --> 00:13:32,379 I'll be way more comfortable. 232 00:13:33,748 --> 00:13:37,786 Okay. Why don't I tell you about when I lost my virginity? 233 00:13:38,285 --> 00:13:42,557 - It's not really what I-- - Don't wanna hear it? 234 00:13:42,691 --> 00:13:44,058 No, I do. 235 00:13:44,191 --> 00:13:46,994 Okay, uh, it was my freshman year of college 236 00:13:47,127 --> 00:13:48,228 - Wow. - And, um-- 237 00:13:48,362 --> 00:13:49,863 You really held out. 238 00:13:50,297 --> 00:13:53,033 Yeah. I wasn't exactly fighting them off. 239 00:13:53,167 --> 00:13:54,669 - Mmm. - I used to wear 240 00:13:54,803 --> 00:13:56,937 only boys' clothes, I wasn't on top of my grooming. 241 00:13:57,071 --> 00:13:59,940 All effects of the abuse, I-- I later learned, 242 00:14:00,074 --> 00:14:02,777 but, um, I got my act together in college 243 00:14:02,910 --> 00:14:04,378 and met a guy called Chris. 244 00:14:04,512 --> 00:14:06,080 A couple of months in, I decided, 245 00:14:06,213 --> 00:14:07,749 "You know what, it's time to lose my virginity." 246 00:14:07,881 --> 00:14:12,019 And so we went back to his dorm room one night, and... 247 00:14:14,823 --> 00:14:17,124 He had the most massive cock I've ever seen to date. 248 00:14:17,257 --> 00:14:19,993 -Serious? -I am serious. 249 00:14:20,127 --> 00:14:22,496 Like, I wanted to scream. Oh! 250 00:14:22,630 --> 00:14:25,265 It was so painful, and-- and then I'm crying 251 00:14:25,399 --> 00:14:27,401 and I'm crying in pain and he's-- 252 00:14:27,535 --> 00:14:31,004 He just thinks it all, like, cries of ecstasy. 253 00:14:31,138 --> 00:14:34,475 So he just like, poor Chris is just pumping away. 254 00:14:34,609 --> 00:14:37,645 Ugh! Thankfully it did not last long. 255 00:14:37,779 --> 00:14:41,783 I'm sorry, but-- but that's hilarious. 256 00:14:41,915 --> 00:14:45,419 Um, you know, I would've thought you already knew this story. 257 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:47,154 Why? 258 00:14:47,622 --> 00:14:50,924 'Cause I wrote about it in two different books. 259 00:14:52,092 --> 00:14:55,429 Books that you have claimed to have read. 260 00:14:56,430 --> 00:15:00,401 I did read them. Like, most of them. 261 00:15:00,968 --> 00:15:03,070 The early ones, at least. 262 00:15:04,572 --> 00:15:05,840 You're not alone. 263 00:15:05,973 --> 00:15:07,742 I-- I ran out of personal revelations. 264 00:15:07,876 --> 00:15:10,978 I haven't really navigated any meaningful territory in years. 265 00:15:11,111 --> 00:15:12,680 So, I don't blame you. 266 00:15:12,847 --> 00:15:14,716 That's why I'm so excited to be writing this with you. 267 00:15:14,849 --> 00:15:17,151 But your books are still super popular, right? 268 00:15:17,284 --> 00:15:20,020 People still buy them and stuff, right? 269 00:15:20,154 --> 00:15:22,891 Yeah. We'll see. 270 00:15:23,390 --> 00:15:26,093 Anyway, um, why don't you tell me 271 00:15:26,226 --> 00:15:27,494 when you first discovered 272 00:15:27,629 --> 00:15:30,030 that you were attracted to both sexes? 273 00:15:30,164 --> 00:15:31,131 Were you young? 274 00:15:31,265 --> 00:15:32,700 Wait, both sexes? 275 00:15:32,834 --> 00:15:35,202 Like, you mean you think there are only two? 276 00:15:35,335 --> 00:15:39,139 That's good. That's good. Let me rephrase that. 277 00:15:39,273 --> 00:15:44,612 When did you start confronting expected gender roles 278 00:15:44,746 --> 00:15:48,883 when it came to who you were attracted to? 279 00:15:49,016 --> 00:15:50,150 Did I catch it better? 280 00:15:50,284 --> 00:15:51,251 - Yeah. - Okay. 281 00:15:51,385 --> 00:15:53,187 Uh, I was pretty young. 282 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:58,292 I think I was in fifth grade and I met this girl, Abby. 283 00:15:58,425 --> 00:16:02,029 And I remember I thought she was really pretty 284 00:16:02,162 --> 00:16:05,265 and she asked me if I would be her boyfriend. 285 00:16:05,466 --> 00:16:09,504 And I remember being, like, kind of relieved 286 00:16:09,637 --> 00:16:13,741 that I was, like, just pairing off boy-girl, you know? 287 00:16:14,107 --> 00:16:17,110 And then I met her brother, Ryan, 288 00:16:17,244 --> 00:16:20,080 and I thought he was really pretty too. 289 00:16:20,214 --> 00:16:24,251 And I remember asking Abby if Ryan liked me 290 00:16:24,384 --> 00:16:26,053 and she totally freaked out. 291 00:16:26,186 --> 00:16:28,523 Which, in hindsight, I get it's, like, kind of fucked up 292 00:16:28,656 --> 00:16:30,692 to ask your little fifth grade girlfriend 293 00:16:30,825 --> 00:16:34,328 if someone else is into you, especially if it's her brother, 294 00:16:34,461 --> 00:16:38,398 um, but there was something about the way that she reacted 295 00:16:38,533 --> 00:16:42,102 that made me feel really gross for even asking. 296 00:16:42,436 --> 00:16:44,539 So, I kind of just, like, 297 00:16:44,672 --> 00:16:47,942 shelved that away for a long time. 298 00:16:48,075 --> 00:16:51,779 Um, if I was, like, into guys, 299 00:16:51,913 --> 00:16:58,285 I-- I didn't act on it or-- or date one until art school. 300 00:16:59,152 --> 00:17:00,555 And I think a big part of that 301 00:17:00,688 --> 00:17:03,156 was that my dad would have murdered me. 302 00:17:03,290 --> 00:17:05,660 - He's homophobic? - Oh, my God. 303 00:17:05,793 --> 00:17:07,629 Yeah. Big time. 304 00:17:07,762 --> 00:17:09,396 Wasn't he your manager? 305 00:17:09,531 --> 00:17:13,500 Yeah, but he never liked the whole Nicki persona. 306 00:17:13,635 --> 00:17:15,737 He went along with it for a long time 307 00:17:15,870 --> 00:17:20,775 because it was his meal ticket, but he never was very approving. 308 00:17:20,909 --> 00:17:22,409 It's so funny. 309 00:17:22,544 --> 00:17:24,278 He's emailing me now because he heard about this book 310 00:17:24,411 --> 00:17:26,948 and he wants to manage Nicki's comeback, so... 311 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,449 Mmm. What kind of comeback? 312 00:17:29,584 --> 00:17:32,020 The kind you wouldn't approve of. 313 00:17:32,386 --> 00:17:35,289 Gigs that might pay me some real money again. 314 00:17:37,759 --> 00:17:40,528 Okay. Um... 315 00:17:41,128 --> 00:17:45,399 I've always wondered what motivated your red carpet stunt. 316 00:17:45,533 --> 00:17:49,737 Oh, God. That was just kind of a "fuck you" to the tabloids. 317 00:17:49,871 --> 00:17:52,105 Like, "Print this, bitch," you know? 318 00:17:52,239 --> 00:17:54,542 Oh, no, no. They indeed did print it. 319 00:17:54,676 --> 00:17:57,077 I think you made them a lot of money, actually. 320 00:17:57,210 --> 00:17:59,814 Well, I mean, it felt like a "fuck you" in the moment. 321 00:17:59,948 --> 00:18:01,816 - Uh-huh. - Yeah. 322 00:18:02,784 --> 00:18:04,052 God. 323 00:18:04,184 --> 00:18:05,085 Did you plan that in advance? 324 00:18:05,218 --> 00:18:07,387 No. God, no, no, no. 325 00:18:07,522 --> 00:18:11,325 I was-- I was wearing that, like, wrap thing, 326 00:18:11,458 --> 00:18:14,161 and there's something about, like, 327 00:18:14,294 --> 00:18:21,268 all of this artifice around me, and I just had the impulse. 328 00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:28,509 And boom, there I was, naked in front of a bank of paparazzi. 329 00:18:32,212 --> 00:18:33,548 That's most people's-- 330 00:18:33,681 --> 00:18:37,819 I mean, at least my nightmare. You know? 331 00:18:38,185 --> 00:18:42,690 How does a moment like that feel? 332 00:18:44,959 --> 00:18:46,694 Honestly, like, 333 00:18:48,128 --> 00:18:52,600 just standing there in just my skin, 334 00:18:53,534 --> 00:18:57,304 like, feeling the flash bulbs and... 335 00:18:59,406 --> 00:19:03,410 I fucking loved it. 336 00:19:05,278 --> 00:19:08,348 It just felt really good. 337 00:19:10,585 --> 00:19:15,657 I wonder whether the act of getting naked for you 338 00:19:15,790 --> 00:19:21,062 comes easier than the labor of connecting emotionally. 339 00:19:21,194 --> 00:19:25,432 Like, it's some kind of, like, shortcut to intimacy and love. 340 00:19:27,735 --> 00:19:31,438 Doesn't sound 100% off base. 341 00:19:31,572 --> 00:19:34,174 There may be some dare there, I guess, 342 00:19:34,307 --> 00:19:37,277 but it was also that whole thing. 343 00:19:37,411 --> 00:19:39,580 It was kind of just fun. 344 00:19:40,014 --> 00:19:41,883 I'm gonna write that down. Fun. 345 00:19:42,016 --> 00:19:43,316 - Yeah. - Okay. 346 00:19:43,450 --> 00:19:45,953 Three letters. F-U-N. Yeah. 347 00:19:46,087 --> 00:19:48,488 I imagine a whole new sexual world opened up 348 00:19:48,623 --> 00:19:51,993 -once you got famous. -Massive understatement. 349 00:19:52,694 --> 00:19:54,562 I have to say, it was pretty exciting to see you 350 00:19:54,696 --> 00:19:56,363 in all these magazines just... 351 00:19:56,496 --> 00:20:00,134 Just using your platform so fiercely, 352 00:20:00,267 --> 00:20:02,804 just-- just to talk about your wide ranging sexuality. 353 00:20:02,937 --> 00:20:06,541 It was- it was-- it was electrifying. 354 00:20:06,908 --> 00:20:08,275 That's very sweet. 355 00:20:08,408 --> 00:20:10,243 A lot of people just thought I was a slut. 356 00:20:11,646 --> 00:20:13,447 But you owned it, right? 357 00:20:13,581 --> 00:20:15,382 I mean, I-- I think that's what-- what I remember most. 358 00:20:15,516 --> 00:20:16,784 You just... 359 00:20:18,753 --> 00:20:24,324 It's so rare to see someone who refuses to hide who they are 360 00:20:24,458 --> 00:20:27,829 and what they want to suit the masses. 361 00:20:28,261 --> 00:20:30,832 You make me sound like pan Jesus. 362 00:20:30,965 --> 00:20:33,668 No, I just want you to understand. 363 00:20:34,468 --> 00:20:35,703 I get it. 364 00:20:35,970 --> 00:20:40,641 I mean, I saw it as just kind of performance art, 365 00:20:40,775 --> 00:20:43,077 but I know that it meant a lot 366 00:20:43,211 --> 00:20:46,714 - to actually a lot of people. - Yeah. 367 00:20:46,848 --> 00:20:49,684 I think they'd never really seen themselves 368 00:20:49,817 --> 00:20:51,686 -in the media. -Hmm. 369 00:20:52,053 --> 00:20:54,454 You must have changed the trajectory of 370 00:20:54,589 --> 00:20:55,923 so many people's lives just by 371 00:20:56,057 --> 00:20:58,659 the radical act of being who you are. 372 00:20:58,793 --> 00:21:00,661 - Hmm. - You know? And-- and I-- 373 00:21:00,795 --> 00:21:03,330 and I would love for you to get recognition for that. 374 00:21:03,463 --> 00:21:06,801 I think this book will help with that. 375 00:21:07,235 --> 00:21:09,237 From your questioning so far, 376 00:21:09,369 --> 00:21:12,173 it sounds like this book is just about me jerking off 377 00:21:12,305 --> 00:21:14,307 and my dirty sex secrets. 378 00:21:14,441 --> 00:21:16,343 Yeah, partially, but-- but it does tie into 379 00:21:16,476 --> 00:21:19,279 the cultural impact, the-- the-- the exchange 380 00:21:19,412 --> 00:21:21,716 and interaction you had with your fans, 381 00:21:21,849 --> 00:21:25,052 uh, your sexual exploitation, your highs, your lows. 382 00:21:25,186 --> 00:21:26,453 Wait, what? 383 00:21:27,021 --> 00:21:28,288 What? 384 00:21:29,157 --> 00:21:32,593 I mean, exploitation is... 385 00:21:33,060 --> 00:21:35,530 Well, I-- I saw your career, Nicki. I watched it. 386 00:21:35,663 --> 00:21:40,001 Are you trying to tell me that you weren't exploited 387 00:21:40,134 --> 00:21:41,401 for your body or your sexuality? 388 00:21:41,536 --> 00:21:44,304 I mean, that's just the business. 389 00:21:45,106 --> 00:21:49,442 You kind of make it sound like I'm some kind of, like, victim. 390 00:21:49,577 --> 00:21:51,512 No, not a victim. Survivor. 391 00:21:52,379 --> 00:21:55,016 Okay, that's not really better. 392 00:22:05,226 --> 00:22:06,727 Nic, we have so little time. 393 00:22:06,861 --> 00:22:08,328 Why don't we not try and fit this into 394 00:22:08,461 --> 00:22:11,132 any sort of narrative yet, okay? 395 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:13,835 Why don't we just finish the interview 396 00:22:13,968 --> 00:22:17,004 and then we'll find the form later on. 397 00:22:17,638 --> 00:22:19,073 Does that sound good? 398 00:22:25,313 --> 00:22:27,414 Okay. All right. 399 00:22:28,883 --> 00:22:31,652 Um, okay. I wanted to ask you-- 400 00:22:31,786 --> 00:22:34,387 Do you remember my cousin Jack's wedding? 401 00:22:34,522 --> 00:22:37,158 -Uh... -I was 19. 402 00:22:37,792 --> 00:22:39,627 You and I danced all night 403 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,931 and Aunt Eileen thought we were both on drugs. 404 00:22:44,065 --> 00:22:45,432 Sounds familiar. 405 00:22:45,566 --> 00:22:47,168 I had a reputation for dancing up a storm 406 00:22:47,301 --> 00:22:48,769 at weddings when I was young. 407 00:22:53,841 --> 00:22:55,408 You don't remember anything else 408 00:22:55,543 --> 00:22:56,911 that happened at the wedding? 409 00:23:02,449 --> 00:23:03,751 No. 410 00:23:05,152 --> 00:23:06,419 Why? 411 00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:10,524 I'm just curious. 412 00:23:11,158 --> 00:23:19,166 I was just thinking about victims and survivors... 413 00:23:25,006 --> 00:23:29,944 Okay, Nic, I wanna ask you how, um, 414 00:23:30,077 --> 00:23:35,383 how present was consent in those circles? 415 00:23:35,883 --> 00:23:37,518 Did anyone force themselves on you? 416 00:23:37,652 --> 00:23:38,986 Did you force yourself on anyone? 417 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:41,989 Are you asking me if I ever raped someone? 418 00:23:42,489 --> 00:23:46,160 No, no, not necessarily just if... 419 00:23:46,294 --> 00:23:48,796 someone coerced you or you coerced someone-- 420 00:23:48,930 --> 00:23:50,831 Fucking seriously, Priya? 421 00:23:50,965 --> 00:23:53,034 Look, Nic. 422 00:23:53,167 --> 00:23:56,203 I think it's important to ride the nerve endings 423 00:23:56,337 --> 00:23:58,005 of sex and trauma 424 00:23:58,139 --> 00:24:00,741 instead of pretending like these things don't exist 425 00:24:00,875 --> 00:24:02,475 or these things don't affect us 426 00:24:02,610 --> 00:24:05,012 and the process can be uncomfortable at times. 427 00:24:05,146 --> 00:24:09,150 It is-- it is the process, this is what it looks like. 428 00:24:14,922 --> 00:24:17,191 I think I need to eat something. 429 00:24:20,094 --> 00:24:21,729 Uh, okay. 430 00:24:21,862 --> 00:24:23,764 Do you want me to look into ordering or something, or... 431 00:24:23,898 --> 00:24:25,599 Uh, yeah, fine. 432 00:24:25,733 --> 00:24:28,736 Let me just see what's in your fridge first. 433 00:25:15,116 --> 00:25:18,686 You know, Nic, I've been doing this for so many years 434 00:25:18,819 --> 00:25:24,925 that I probably have become inured to the pain 435 00:25:25,059 --> 00:25:28,195 or maybe I don't realize that everyone else's pain tolerance 436 00:25:28,329 --> 00:25:32,199 is not as high as mine, so I apologize for... 437 00:25:33,601 --> 00:25:36,003 coming off too strong, or... 438 00:25:36,137 --> 00:25:39,540 I certainly did not mean to re-traumatize you, or... 439 00:25:40,408 --> 00:25:41,442 That's okay. 440 00:25:41,942 --> 00:25:45,146 Sometimes I, like, get in my head 441 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:48,182 and kind of spin out, and I've been through it with Jasper, 442 00:25:48,315 --> 00:25:51,252 so I know how annoying it can be. 443 00:25:51,652 --> 00:25:53,721 Are they thinking ADHD for Jasper? 444 00:25:53,854 --> 00:25:55,289 -They sure are. -Mmm. 445 00:25:55,856 --> 00:25:58,959 And I-- I wanna help him have more control than I do, 446 00:25:59,093 --> 00:26:03,297 and I wanna handle his outbursts better than my dad handled mine, 447 00:26:03,431 --> 00:26:05,833 but it can be so fucking hard, you know? 448 00:26:05,966 --> 00:26:09,336 Like the blind leading the blind sometimes. 449 00:26:10,971 --> 00:26:12,306 I'm sure you're a good dad. 450 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,843 And thank God we all don't become my parents. 451 00:26:16,511 --> 00:26:17,912 I don't know, Priya. 452 00:26:18,379 --> 00:26:21,682 Sometimes I feel like you're ready to spank me. 453 00:26:26,754 --> 00:26:28,789 - Why'd you do that? - Do what? 454 00:26:29,323 --> 00:26:32,893 Flirt to maneuver out of uncomfortable situations. 455 00:26:33,027 --> 00:26:37,998 Oh, my God. Lighten up, Priya. I was just having fun. 456 00:26:44,171 --> 00:26:47,775 So, I've been thinking about titles. 457 00:26:47,908 --> 00:26:49,110 - Yeah? - Mm-hmm. 458 00:26:49,243 --> 00:26:51,312 -Me, too. -Oh, yeah? Go first. 459 00:26:51,946 --> 00:26:54,081 The Nicki of Time. 460 00:26:55,783 --> 00:26:57,051 Right? 461 00:26:59,186 --> 00:27:03,390 Mine is, um, Nicki: A Pansexual (R)Evolution, 462 00:27:03,525 --> 00:27:05,292 with parentheses around the "R." 463 00:27:05,426 --> 00:27:07,228 Oh, my God. You and your parentheses. 464 00:27:07,361 --> 00:27:09,130 I mean, do I even get a say in this? 465 00:27:09,263 --> 00:27:11,499 You know what, neither of us do. The publisher titles it. 466 00:27:11,999 --> 00:27:14,335 Yeah, but they want, like, a Nicki bio, right? 467 00:27:14,468 --> 00:27:15,769 Yeah, yeah. 468 00:27:15,903 --> 00:27:17,371 Biography-cum-cultural intervention. 469 00:27:17,506 --> 00:27:18,906 Cum what? 470 00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:21,075 A cultural intervention. Like how you-- 471 00:27:21,208 --> 00:27:24,278 Oh, my God, whatever the fuck that is. 472 00:27:26,581 --> 00:27:30,217 You know, sometimes you really do remind me of your dad. 473 00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:33,754 That's rich. 474 00:27:33,888 --> 00:27:36,690 That's really how to get on my good side, 475 00:27:36,824 --> 00:27:38,325 comparing me to Lewis. 476 00:27:38,459 --> 00:27:39,594 I'm not trying to get on your good side. 477 00:27:39,727 --> 00:27:41,095 You should be. 478 00:27:42,096 --> 00:27:45,432 -Why should I be? -Because you pissed me off. 479 00:27:47,835 --> 00:27:49,970 So let me just set the scenario for you. 480 00:27:50,104 --> 00:27:51,805 You wanted to do this. 481 00:27:51,939 --> 00:27:54,643 We've been talking about it for over six months. 482 00:27:54,775 --> 00:27:58,812 I have rejigged my schedule up and down to accommodate you. 483 00:27:58,946 --> 00:28:01,849 You have canceled on me on three different weekends. 484 00:28:01,982 --> 00:28:04,985 I have drawn up an agreement for you, 485 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,754 an agreement that you signed. 486 00:28:06,887 --> 00:28:08,923 I didn't read that. 487 00:28:09,757 --> 00:28:11,025 Are you kidding? 488 00:28:13,194 --> 00:28:16,931 What? You sent me 15 pages of legal bullshit 489 00:28:17,064 --> 00:28:18,465 and you expect me to read it all? 490 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,135 I don't have a lawyer on staff anymore, Priya. 491 00:28:21,802 --> 00:28:23,904 If you wanna talk about exploitation, 492 00:28:24,038 --> 00:28:25,540 we can have that conversation. 493 00:28:25,674 --> 00:28:27,676 Excuse me, are you accusing me of exploiting you? 494 00:28:27,808 --> 00:28:29,877 Yeah, I kinda am. 495 00:28:46,327 --> 00:28:47,428 Nic... 496 00:28:49,763 --> 00:28:52,333 I am not trying to exploit you. 497 00:28:52,567 --> 00:28:57,037 I promise you that. I think this book is really important. 498 00:28:57,271 --> 00:28:59,006 I think working together, 499 00:28:59,139 --> 00:29:01,742 we can actually deepen the understanding of gender 500 00:29:01,875 --> 00:29:05,079 and sexuality, and yes, sexual exploitation 501 00:29:05,212 --> 00:29:06,847 by delving into your history. 502 00:29:06,981 --> 00:29:09,984 -Which is my story. Mine. -It is your story. 503 00:29:10,117 --> 00:29:11,586 Of course, it is your story, 504 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,221 but if you're not willing to trust me with it, 505 00:29:14,355 --> 00:29:16,857 I don't know what the fuck you're doing here. 506 00:29:17,525 --> 00:29:18,792 Whoa. 507 00:29:20,828 --> 00:29:23,197 Okay. Um... 508 00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:28,002 My chicken nuggets are a little cold, 509 00:29:28,135 --> 00:29:30,304 so I'm gonna heat those up. 510 00:29:30,437 --> 00:29:34,341 Let you cool off a little bit. Jesus. 511 00:29:40,848 --> 00:29:42,149 You know what? 512 00:29:43,217 --> 00:29:45,687 If you want trust here, 513 00:29:45,819 --> 00:29:46,954 there's got to be a give and take. 514 00:29:47,087 --> 00:29:49,290 I cannot go through this again. 515 00:29:50,157 --> 00:29:51,925 All my darker secrets are published. 516 00:29:52,059 --> 00:29:55,229 Priya, we both know that's not true. 517 00:29:59,466 --> 00:30:03,037 Look, if you agree to stop rehashing 518 00:30:03,170 --> 00:30:06,040 all your published bullshit, 519 00:30:06,907 --> 00:30:08,743 I'll talk about Kristen 520 00:30:09,376 --> 00:30:11,579 and we can put that in the book, okay? 521 00:30:15,349 --> 00:30:16,417 Okay. 522 00:30:17,351 --> 00:30:18,185 Yeah? 523 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:20,789 Whatever, I'm an open book. 524 00:30:21,523 --> 00:30:22,489 -Great. -Yeah. 525 00:30:22,624 --> 00:30:24,559 Cool. Great. 526 00:30:26,327 --> 00:30:29,296 And how about for our afternoon session, 527 00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:33,033 we break out some adult beverages. 528 00:30:34,101 --> 00:30:35,402 Trying to get me drunk? 529 00:30:35,537 --> 00:30:39,907 Mmm. Yeah. So that I can ravage you, 530 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,109 unadmitted rapist that I am. 531 00:30:42,242 --> 00:30:45,012 Pretend you didn't say that. 532 00:30:46,146 --> 00:30:49,116 Okay. I'm gonna get us some drinks 533 00:30:49,249 --> 00:30:51,919 and I'm gonna set us up on the patio, okay? 534 00:30:52,353 --> 00:30:56,357 Let's make this actually fun. Please? 535 00:31:03,964 --> 00:31:05,533 Voil�. 536 00:31:07,334 --> 00:31:10,638 -Nicki... -Oh, yours was way worse. 537 00:31:11,305 --> 00:31:14,341 I'm gonna change and then let's get out on the patio. 538 00:31:14,475 --> 00:31:17,211 I'm gonna sweat my nuts off in this thing. 539 00:31:39,333 --> 00:31:40,869 You really took your sweet time. 540 00:31:41,001 --> 00:31:43,237 I was texting Uncle Aaron. 541 00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:46,574 -On the toilet? -What? No. This is on. 542 00:31:46,708 --> 00:31:50,545 I text on the pot all the time. Gives me something to do. 543 00:31:50,678 --> 00:31:52,346 TMI, Nic. 544 00:31:52,479 --> 00:31:55,315 You just said that I wasn't giving you enough information 545 00:31:55,449 --> 00:31:58,419 and now my bathroom habits are TMI? 546 00:31:59,086 --> 00:32:02,389 What exactly do you want from me, madame? 547 00:32:04,491 --> 00:32:06,895 You think I'm adorable. Admit it! 548 00:32:07,027 --> 00:32:08,462 I think you're incorrigible. 549 00:32:09,062 --> 00:32:11,900 But I actually think it's gonna be good for the book. 550 00:32:12,199 --> 00:32:16,303 Like your truthfulness and brashness. It's all... 551 00:32:18,372 --> 00:32:21,041 I mean, my own work has gotten so theoretical. 552 00:32:21,375 --> 00:32:26,246 I just, this feels like something new 553 00:32:26,380 --> 00:32:29,450 or maybe it's just, I don't know, return to form. 554 00:32:31,351 --> 00:32:32,654 - So, I-- - So, what I was gonna-- 555 00:32:32,787 --> 00:32:35,723 Oh, oh. Jinx. You go. 556 00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:39,561 I was just going to say that I am just surprised 557 00:32:39,694 --> 00:32:42,429 that you are at all reticent to talk about sex, 558 00:32:42,564 --> 00:32:44,699 considering the fact that you are the one person 559 00:32:44,833 --> 00:32:47,367 I consider to have no hangups. 560 00:32:47,635 --> 00:32:51,004 I mean, it's sex. Everyone has hangups, right? 561 00:32:51,138 --> 00:32:53,040 Even a big ol' slut like me. 562 00:32:53,173 --> 00:32:54,943 And I use that term endearingly, 563 00:32:55,075 --> 00:32:58,613 by the way, I'm very slut-positive. 564 00:32:58,746 --> 00:33:02,349 Okay. So, how do you feel about your cock? 565 00:33:02,917 --> 00:33:04,552 -My cock? -Mm-hmm. 566 00:33:05,052 --> 00:33:06,119 I'm a fan. 567 00:33:06,721 --> 00:33:09,356 I'm sure you've seen the pictures online. 568 00:33:09,791 --> 00:33:13,260 Me and Reba are tight. We've had some real adventures together. 569 00:33:13,393 --> 00:33:15,362 - Did you say Reba? - Uh-huh. 570 00:33:15,496 --> 00:33:18,365 She's the fancy gal in my trousers. 571 00:33:19,266 --> 00:33:22,770 All right, so you're all good with Reba? 572 00:33:22,904 --> 00:33:24,404 That's so refreshing. 573 00:33:24,539 --> 00:33:28,877 So, do you have any insecurities? Sexually, I mean? 574 00:33:29,009 --> 00:33:31,613 I mean, I'm not really the kind of guy who sits around 575 00:33:31,746 --> 00:33:34,314 thinking about sexual insecurities, you know? 576 00:33:34,448 --> 00:33:36,216 I'm a fucking porn cartoonist. 577 00:33:36,518 --> 00:33:38,686 Literally the only thing I'm good at 578 00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:40,622 is drawing cocks and cunts. 579 00:33:42,456 --> 00:33:45,225 That's not true. You're good at being a model. 580 00:33:45,693 --> 00:33:48,428 - Well, thanks. - Do you still model? 581 00:33:48,563 --> 00:33:51,498 I do, like, commercial work from time to time, 582 00:33:51,633 --> 00:33:53,801 and I have some friends who are painters 583 00:33:53,935 --> 00:33:55,670 and I'll sit for them when they need me to, 584 00:33:55,803 --> 00:33:56,871 stuff like that. 585 00:33:57,739 --> 00:34:00,407 - Do you pose nude? - Of course. 586 00:34:00,542 --> 00:34:01,709 - Of course? - Yeah. 587 00:34:01,843 --> 00:34:03,343 Of course. 588 00:34:03,477 --> 00:34:05,647 See, there's this-- this body confidence just... 589 00:34:06,648 --> 00:34:08,081 amazes me. 590 00:34:08,215 --> 00:34:10,150 It's probably my greatest asset. 591 00:34:10,284 --> 00:34:13,955 Okay, so is-- is your greatest asset your body 592 00:34:14,488 --> 00:34:17,992 or is it the willingness to show it off in public? 593 00:34:18,526 --> 00:34:20,028 - Both? - Uh-huh. 594 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,529 - I guess. - Uh-huh. 595 00:34:21,663 --> 00:34:24,097 I mean, it's certainly not my fine wit 596 00:34:24,231 --> 00:34:29,303 or my ability to pontificate on the finer points of Prowst. 597 00:34:32,574 --> 00:34:33,675 Proust. 598 00:34:34,976 --> 00:34:38,111 Proust. Exactly. 599 00:34:41,683 --> 00:34:45,118 You don't see yourself as more than just a body 600 00:34:45,252 --> 00:34:47,354 when you're moving through the world? 601 00:34:47,889 --> 00:34:50,692 Um, no. 602 00:34:50,825 --> 00:34:54,963 I'm, yeah, I'm more than just a body. 603 00:34:55,095 --> 00:34:59,466 Um, it's hard to explain,'cause you're, like, the opposite? 604 00:34:59,601 --> 00:35:03,571 Like, I mean, you know, you have obviously an amazing body, 605 00:35:03,705 --> 00:35:07,307 but you give so much to the world, 606 00:35:07,441 --> 00:35:11,713 and, like, get its-- its reaction through your thoughts 607 00:35:11,846 --> 00:35:16,316 and your writing, and I-- I-- I just, I don't. 608 00:35:16,450 --> 00:35:17,852 Like, at this point in my life, 609 00:35:17,986 --> 00:35:22,023 my greatest intellectual achievement is, like, 610 00:35:22,155 --> 00:35:23,791 giving someone a brief chuckle 611 00:35:23,925 --> 00:35:26,159 while they scroll through a porn site looking for pussy pics. 612 00:35:26,293 --> 00:35:28,796 You know? But when I get naked, 613 00:35:28,930 --> 00:35:31,532 I feel like, I don't know, 614 00:35:31,666 --> 00:35:36,169 I can make people be even more confident 615 00:35:36,303 --> 00:35:38,539 in their own bodies, you know? 616 00:35:38,673 --> 00:35:41,876 And with the posing stuff for my friends, 617 00:35:42,010 --> 00:35:45,680 it's, I don't know, I can contribute to great or-- 618 00:35:46,781 --> 00:35:49,117 I mean, at least semi-interesting art? 619 00:35:49,249 --> 00:35:51,586 And turn people on. 620 00:35:52,987 --> 00:35:54,454 - Yeah. - Uh-huh. 621 00:35:54,822 --> 00:35:56,557 That can be part of it. 622 00:36:03,931 --> 00:36:06,934 Yeah, I think we might be opposite. 623 00:36:08,536 --> 00:36:10,705 I'd like some of that, you know. 624 00:36:12,472 --> 00:36:18,445 My most profound experiences happen internally. 625 00:36:19,147 --> 00:36:20,615 Meaning like what? 626 00:36:20,748 --> 00:36:24,686 Like, the endless cogitating and, y-- you know, 627 00:36:24,819 --> 00:36:26,587 it used to be such a blessing with Aaron 628 00:36:26,721 --> 00:36:29,456 because both of us would just perish into our works. 629 00:36:29,590 --> 00:36:32,827 Our marriage is so low-drama, but... 630 00:36:35,763 --> 00:36:36,798 But what? 631 00:36:37,865 --> 00:36:39,834 I don't know, maybe that's the problem, 632 00:36:39,967 --> 00:36:41,435 -you know? -Mmm. 633 00:36:41,569 --> 00:36:45,338 We're isolated. We're far apart. 634 00:36:45,472 --> 00:36:47,608 -We're-- we're so independent. -Mmm. 635 00:36:48,208 --> 00:36:54,615 Just recently... I've just been wanting more, you know? 636 00:36:55,482 --> 00:36:59,787 Mmm, yeah, I completely relate. 637 00:37:01,055 --> 00:37:02,422 Yeah, but the difference is 638 00:37:02,557 --> 00:37:03,791 you're living fully in the world, right? 639 00:37:03,925 --> 00:37:06,426 Like, that's why I wanna write this book. 640 00:37:06,561 --> 00:37:09,731 You're always living in and engaging with the world. 641 00:37:10,598 --> 00:37:13,534 That is magnetic. 642 00:37:14,936 --> 00:37:16,003 Thank you. 643 00:37:16,369 --> 00:37:18,238 That's literally the nicest thing 644 00:37:18,371 --> 00:37:20,108 anyone has ever said about me. 645 00:37:21,709 --> 00:37:23,443 But it's so funny hearing you say that 646 00:37:23,578 --> 00:37:27,347 because it almost sounds or feels like 647 00:37:27,481 --> 00:37:29,083 you're talking about someone else. 648 00:37:29,217 --> 00:37:31,586 It's like, a lot of the time 649 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,622 it feels like I'm, like, I'm in this dark room 650 00:37:34,756 --> 00:37:38,425 watching my body go on these adventures apart from me. 651 00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:43,363 It's like my body is this romance novel hero, 652 00:37:43,698 --> 00:37:46,433 but my brain is this... 653 00:37:47,101 --> 00:37:51,806 bag boy from Peoria. 654 00:37:53,808 --> 00:37:57,277 Metaphorical Peoria. Does that make sense? 655 00:37:59,279 --> 00:38:00,347 Are you high? 656 00:38:00,648 --> 00:38:02,517 I am a little high. 657 00:38:03,117 --> 00:38:05,686 Mm-hmm. Yep. 658 00:38:05,820 --> 00:38:09,223 Are you too high to have a meaningful conversation? 659 00:38:09,356 --> 00:38:12,492 Have you never been high before? 660 00:38:13,227 --> 00:38:14,729 It makes me sleepy. 661 00:38:14,862 --> 00:38:20,300 Oh, really? It makes me relaxed and deep and thoughtful. 662 00:38:20,535 --> 00:38:23,504 - Okay, well, that's good. - Uh-huh. 663 00:38:23,805 --> 00:38:26,373 Just don't try to take advantage of me. 664 00:38:31,546 --> 00:38:33,480 Do you know what I really want? 665 00:38:35,516 --> 00:38:37,718 I wanna be famous again. 666 00:38:38,753 --> 00:38:41,222 That was the best part about the whole Nicki thing, 667 00:38:41,388 --> 00:38:44,424 was I felt like I was actually good at something 668 00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:47,728 and-- and then I got paid for it. 669 00:38:49,764 --> 00:38:54,035 I always wondered why you cut that Nicki thing so short 670 00:38:54,168 --> 00:38:57,939 and why it just mysteriously disappeared. 671 00:38:58,673 --> 00:39:00,708 I wanna be rich again, too. 672 00:39:02,143 --> 00:39:05,546 Like, really fucking rich. 673 00:39:07,281 --> 00:39:09,183 You know, my dad and I actually, 674 00:39:09,317 --> 00:39:11,686 we have this whole TV pitch planned 675 00:39:11,819 --> 00:39:14,622 for when our book becomes a big hit, so. 676 00:39:17,825 --> 00:39:21,028 Um, did I tell you that Kristen lost her job? 677 00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:25,867 Yeah, we're actually, um... 678 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,639 We're pretty severely fucked 679 00:39:31,772 --> 00:39:35,442 if I-- if I don't start making some money. 680 00:39:36,677 --> 00:39:39,714 I mean, I shouldn't be worried about, 681 00:39:39,847 --> 00:39:42,950 like, traditional gender roles and shit, 682 00:39:43,084 --> 00:39:44,451 but there's something 683 00:39:44,585 --> 00:39:47,188 about not being able to provide for my family 684 00:39:47,321 --> 00:39:49,557 that's actually so emasculating. 685 00:39:51,391 --> 00:39:54,128 I don't know, it almost feels like we're playing house 686 00:39:54,862 --> 00:39:58,766 and she's gonna realize that playtime's over 687 00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:02,103 and she's gonna pack up her toys and go back home. 688 00:40:02,236 --> 00:40:03,537 Mmm. 689 00:40:07,308 --> 00:40:09,043 - Yeah. - Mmm. 690 00:40:09,911 --> 00:40:13,881 I told you I would talk about me and Kristen. 691 00:40:15,415 --> 00:40:16,751 Now let's make this book 692 00:40:16,884 --> 00:40:22,657 a fucking biography-cum-cultural revolution 693 00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:26,027 so I don't have to deal with the other stuff, please. 694 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,500 I found your scotch. 695 00:41:07,635 --> 00:41:11,539 Hmm. Drunk and high. Okay. 696 00:41:13,207 --> 00:41:16,476 Just enough to make me an open book, I promise. 697 00:41:17,845 --> 00:41:19,647 -Back to it? -Yep. 698 00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:30,925 I've always wondered how Kristen feels about your pansexuality? 699 00:41:31,058 --> 00:41:34,228 Mmm, I mean, she's a lot like me. 700 00:41:34,362 --> 00:41:37,732 She's tried everything under the sun except settling down. 701 00:41:38,265 --> 00:41:41,569 And how come you wanted to try that? 702 00:41:41,936 --> 00:41:43,938 Uh, 'cause I got her pregnant. 703 00:41:45,439 --> 00:41:47,408 Um, yeah, our relationship was always, like, 704 00:41:47,541 --> 00:41:54,582 super boundary-less and open and fun and then, you know, 705 00:41:55,249 --> 00:41:58,152 when she was with child, 706 00:41:58,285 --> 00:42:01,155 um, and we had to make that decision, 707 00:42:01,288 --> 00:42:03,524 we kind of thought that the most transgressive 708 00:42:03,657 --> 00:42:05,426 and radical thing that we could do 709 00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:07,094 would be the most traditional. 710 00:42:07,228 --> 00:42:10,264 See, I always thought you would settle down with a man. 711 00:42:10,398 --> 00:42:11,665 Why? 712 00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:16,137 I don't know, I just assumed-- 713 00:42:16,270 --> 00:42:20,074 That I was really just gay and that dating other genders 714 00:42:20,207 --> 00:42:22,076 was my way of not dealing with it? 715 00:42:22,209 --> 00:42:26,347 No, there was a point in time I thought you were transgender. 716 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:27,481 -Oh. -Mm-hmm. 717 00:42:27,615 --> 00:42:29,417 Yeah, I mean, I get that, 718 00:42:29,550 --> 00:42:32,286 but no, that was never really part of my journey. 719 00:42:32,420 --> 00:42:35,890 Um, you're probably the only person in my family, though, 720 00:42:36,023 --> 00:42:38,192 who would have been okay with that, so thank you. 721 00:42:38,759 --> 00:42:40,361 I appreciate that. 722 00:42:40,494 --> 00:42:43,664 I always felt that you and I had more in common than-- 723 00:42:43,798 --> 00:42:46,167 than any other two members of that family. 724 00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:49,336 Absolutely. You don't have an NRA bumper sticker. 725 00:42:50,871 --> 00:42:53,207 But still, there's so much-- 726 00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:56,077 Like, there feels like a-- a chasm still. 727 00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:58,746 Like, stuff that about you I can't... 728 00:42:58,879 --> 00:43:02,349 Um, for example, like, I always wanna ask you about pan, 729 00:43:02,483 --> 00:43:08,823 the-- the "all" aspect of your sexuality, you know? 730 00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:12,660 I think I hit up against that because of my upbringing, 731 00:43:12,793 --> 00:43:14,962 and even though I spent so much time studying it 732 00:43:15,096 --> 00:43:17,765 and especially preparing for this conversation, 733 00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:20,901 I guess... 734 00:43:23,003 --> 00:43:27,775 Do different people have a different pull on you? 735 00:43:27,908 --> 00:43:30,211 Women, men, non-binary? 736 00:43:30,344 --> 00:43:34,181 Um, I've always been more attracted to 737 00:43:34,315 --> 00:43:37,284 the spirit of the person than the gender. 738 00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:39,620 -You know? -Yeah, I just don't buy it, 739 00:43:39,753 --> 00:43:41,355 -I'm sorry. -What don't you buy? 740 00:43:41,489 --> 00:43:44,358 I guess this whole, like, spirit thing. This whole, like... 741 00:43:44,492 --> 00:43:48,129 Are you saying that it feels too, like, woo-woo? 742 00:43:49,396 --> 00:43:51,031 - Yeah. - Okay. 743 00:43:51,165 --> 00:43:53,535 Let me try and think of concrete examples. 744 00:43:53,667 --> 00:43:55,136 -Would that be helpful? -Mm-hmm. 745 00:43:55,269 --> 00:43:58,973 Okay, when I was in art school before I went, 746 00:43:59,106 --> 00:44:01,610 I thought for sure that I was gay, you know? 747 00:44:01,742 --> 00:44:07,582 Like, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, dicks-only gay, gay, gay. 748 00:44:07,715 --> 00:44:12,887 But then in my sculpture class, I met this woman named Odyssey. 749 00:44:13,020 --> 00:44:14,321 Her name was Odyssey? 750 00:44:14,455 --> 00:44:15,990 Well, no, her name was really Beth, 751 00:44:16,123 --> 00:44:18,459 but it was art school, so, you know. 752 00:44:18,593 --> 00:44:21,829 Um, but... yeah, when I met her, 753 00:44:21,962 --> 00:44:27,968 I remember being, like, shocked and a little surprised, 754 00:44:28,102 --> 00:44:31,338 and then I was like, "Who the fuck am I to judge myself," 755 00:44:31,472 --> 00:44:36,310 you know? Like, why not just ride the wave 756 00:44:36,443 --> 00:44:39,380 and if I'm attracted to her because of who she is, 757 00:44:39,514 --> 00:44:41,815 I'm gonna just follow that, you know? 758 00:44:41,949 --> 00:44:43,618 I mean, surely you've surprised yourself 759 00:44:43,751 --> 00:44:47,188 when you've, like, crossed over sexual boundaries or something? 760 00:44:51,325 --> 00:44:56,463 Um, I-- I mean, of course I've met women in my life 761 00:44:56,598 --> 00:45:03,938 that I am drawn to, but I-- I wouldn't imagine, um... 762 00:45:05,973 --> 00:45:07,609 crossing that barrier. 763 00:45:07,741 --> 00:45:10,711 So I'm wondering how, you know, coming from where you come from, 764 00:45:10,844 --> 00:45:12,146 with a dad that's homophobic, 765 00:45:12,279 --> 00:45:15,482 how do you cross all those multiple lines 766 00:45:15,617 --> 00:45:19,053 that society sets out for you and family set out for you? 767 00:45:19,420 --> 00:45:21,656 You just cross it. 768 00:45:24,626 --> 00:45:26,860 For me, it feels like Everest. 769 00:45:26,994 --> 00:45:29,531 For you, it's just like, oh, crossing the street. 770 00:45:29,664 --> 00:45:31,165 -Truly. -Mmm. 771 00:45:33,767 --> 00:45:35,704 Can we get into the mechanics of it? 772 00:45:36,270 --> 00:45:40,441 Like, what is sex like with someone who's transgender 773 00:45:40,575 --> 00:45:43,978 - or non-binary, what's... - I feel like 774 00:45:44,345 --> 00:45:48,249 even the way that you're thinking about it is gendered. 775 00:45:48,382 --> 00:45:53,722 Like, sex doesn't have to be as clinical 776 00:45:53,854 --> 00:45:55,089 as you're looking at it. 777 00:45:55,222 --> 00:45:58,092 It's not about, like, what goes in where 778 00:45:58,225 --> 00:46:01,762 and who has what equipment, like, you're-- you're-- 779 00:46:01,895 --> 00:46:03,897 What is it about, then? 780 00:46:04,031 --> 00:46:09,103 Well, I dated a person named Rae, and they were-- 781 00:46:09,236 --> 00:46:13,240 they were a fem-presenting dom top, and they-- 782 00:46:13,374 --> 00:46:17,911 Sex with them was actually, like, a revelation. 783 00:46:18,045 --> 00:46:21,048 They had no boundaries at all. 784 00:46:21,181 --> 00:46:23,083 Nothing was off-limits, 785 00:46:23,217 --> 00:46:26,186 and they would tell me exactly what they wanted. 786 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,789 And it was incredible in the bedroom, 787 00:46:28,922 --> 00:46:34,094 but then outside of the bedroom, the lines got a little blurred, 788 00:46:34,228 --> 00:46:38,165 and they would take that sense of telling me what to do 789 00:46:38,299 --> 00:46:40,167 in a very literal manner. 790 00:46:40,301 --> 00:46:43,203 So I would find myself, like, having to clean their toilet 791 00:46:43,337 --> 00:46:46,974 or, like, one time when they said that I had to go out 792 00:46:47,107 --> 00:46:49,744 and get them a milkshake even when I had the flu. 793 00:46:49,877 --> 00:46:52,179 I had, like, a 103-degree fever, 794 00:46:52,313 --> 00:46:56,083 and I was there, and I ordered the wrong milkshake flavor, 795 00:46:56,216 --> 00:46:58,485 and when I brought it back, they lost their shit. 796 00:46:58,620 --> 00:47:01,055 So actually, maybe that's a terrible example. 797 00:47:01,188 --> 00:47:04,626 Do you perceive yourself as a masochist? 798 00:47:05,059 --> 00:47:07,394 Um, I mean, yeah, 799 00:47:07,529 --> 00:47:09,930 I definitely have played the sub multiple times, 800 00:47:10,064 --> 00:47:11,098 like, pantyhose-- 801 00:47:11,231 --> 00:47:14,034 Emotional. Emotional masochist. 802 00:47:14,168 --> 00:47:17,505 Uh, I don't really know what that means, 803 00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:21,041 but clearly you think I am that. 804 00:47:21,175 --> 00:47:24,111 I think we have that in common. 805 00:47:24,244 --> 00:47:28,182 I don't know that you're a masochist, though, are you? 806 00:47:28,315 --> 00:47:32,152 You're giving me, like, full dom energy today. 807 00:47:32,286 --> 00:47:36,323 An emotional masochist is someone who will get into, uh, 808 00:47:36,457 --> 00:47:39,893 situations and relationships where they will suffer. 809 00:47:40,427 --> 00:47:45,065 It's very-- It's common among, um, survivors of abuse. 810 00:47:45,432 --> 00:47:49,571 Mmm. I feel like you use that as an excuse a lot. 811 00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:54,908 Maybe people just are who they are. 812 00:47:55,042 --> 00:47:57,945 - And who are you, then? - Who am I? 813 00:47:58,078 --> 00:48:04,284 I am a guy who doesn't have the same limits 814 00:48:04,418 --> 00:48:06,954 that other people place on themselves. 815 00:48:09,323 --> 00:48:12,761 Or maybe the fact that you were violated 816 00:48:12,893 --> 00:48:18,031 at such a young age provided you a learned experience 817 00:48:18,165 --> 00:48:22,871 where people could trespass over your boundaries 818 00:48:23,003 --> 00:48:26,006 and do what they wanted with your body. 819 00:48:26,407 --> 00:48:29,176 -Well-- Whoa, careful. -Sorry. 820 00:48:30,177 --> 00:48:35,617 Whatever. I mean, models need people to do stuff 821 00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:38,485 with their bodies and they need to be comfortable with it, 822 00:48:38,620 --> 00:48:40,421 so maybe my trauma ended up being 823 00:48:40,555 --> 00:48:42,456 incredibly beneficial to my career. 824 00:48:43,157 --> 00:48:44,958 Have you ever thought about that? 825 00:48:50,598 --> 00:48:52,466 I mean, I-- My head keeps going back to, 826 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,368 where the hell was your dad in all of this? 827 00:48:54,501 --> 00:48:56,571 Like where-- where-- Was he protecting? 828 00:48:56,704 --> 00:48:59,440 - What-- Where was Lewis? - No, Lewis was more 829 00:48:59,574 --> 00:49:02,409 interested in the, like, fucking models 830 00:49:02,544 --> 00:49:06,514 and, like, doing coke at parties and that kind of stuff, 831 00:49:06,648 --> 00:49:08,348 which was actually kind of this, like, 832 00:49:08,482 --> 00:49:11,452 weird fucked-up bonding thing for us for a while 833 00:49:11,586 --> 00:49:13,688 'cause he never really seemed to like me much 834 00:49:13,822 --> 00:49:15,790 before then, um... 835 00:49:16,558 --> 00:49:19,460 Yeah, it ended up being ultimately incredibly toxic, 836 00:49:19,594 --> 00:49:24,866 and, uh, my mom really got the shit end on that stick. 837 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,770 She doesn't really like talking about the Nicki era. 838 00:49:28,903 --> 00:49:32,874 I mean, I get it. I basically tore the family apart, so. 839 00:49:33,173 --> 00:49:34,909 I think that blame falls 840 00:49:35,042 --> 00:49:36,911 squarely on your dad's shoulders. 841 00:49:37,044 --> 00:49:39,681 No, I mean, if I hadn't gotten famous, 842 00:49:39,814 --> 00:49:41,415 then it wouldn't have... 843 00:49:43,150 --> 00:49:44,886 manifested the way it did for her. 844 00:49:45,018 --> 00:49:49,657 And yet, here you are, wanting to get famous again. 845 00:49:50,057 --> 00:49:51,593 -Yeah. -Mmm. 846 00:49:51,726 --> 00:49:54,027 It's kind of addictive, isn't it? 847 00:49:56,531 --> 00:49:58,999 So, I didn't wanna push before... 848 00:50:02,035 --> 00:50:05,472 But I do want to know about the pitch. 849 00:50:05,607 --> 00:50:06,674 No. 850 00:50:07,474 --> 00:50:09,109 -No. -Come on. 851 00:50:09,243 --> 00:50:10,645 No, you'll just shit on it. 852 00:50:10,778 --> 00:50:12,514 -I won't shit on it. -And I don't really... 853 00:50:13,982 --> 00:50:15,449 -Promise? -Mm-hmm. 854 00:50:15,583 --> 00:50:20,420 Okay. Um, the idea is that I would have guests, 855 00:50:20,555 --> 00:50:24,626 um, come on and they would tell me their dirty sex secrets 856 00:50:24,759 --> 00:50:28,195 and then I would animate those sex secrets and it would be, 857 00:50:28,328 --> 00:50:32,132 like, kind of a combo of reality TV and edgy porn. 858 00:50:45,580 --> 00:50:48,248 The fact that I hate it so much means it will be a success. 859 00:50:48,382 --> 00:50:49,851 So rude. 860 00:50:50,250 --> 00:50:54,121 You wanna be famous again too. I can tell. 861 00:50:55,023 --> 00:50:57,090 Not famous, but just read. 862 00:50:57,491 --> 00:50:58,660 Ah. 863 00:50:59,561 --> 00:51:02,496 I miss having an impact on the world. 864 00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:05,132 Mmm. That's so noble. 865 00:51:06,166 --> 00:51:08,435 It doesn't have to be about the world. 866 00:51:09,403 --> 00:51:11,906 Oh. 867 00:51:18,646 --> 00:51:19,714 What? 868 00:51:21,583 --> 00:51:23,417 -Who was that? -Oh, no one. Sorry. 869 00:51:23,551 --> 00:51:25,019 -You sure? -Yeah. 870 00:51:25,152 --> 00:51:26,386 You just made a really weird face. 871 00:51:26,521 --> 00:51:28,088 -You good? -I made a weird face? 872 00:51:28,221 --> 00:51:29,824 You almost knocked your wine glass over. 873 00:51:29,958 --> 00:51:32,060 How are you doing? 874 00:51:32,627 --> 00:51:36,330 Huh? How many glasses of wine have you had, drunkie? 875 00:51:38,566 --> 00:51:41,268 It's okay. You're cute when you're tipsy. 876 00:51:41,401 --> 00:51:42,670 Mmm, just a little tipsy. 877 00:51:42,804 --> 00:51:45,305 Mmm. I've never been drunk before. 878 00:51:47,942 --> 00:51:52,412 If you're drunk, maybe you're in the right headspace 879 00:51:52,547 --> 00:51:54,481 to tell me about your masochism. 880 00:51:54,882 --> 00:51:57,117 Emotional masochism. 881 00:51:57,250 --> 00:51:59,353 Come on! Come on. 882 00:51:59,486 --> 00:52:02,557 You're telling me you've never looked at BDSM porn? 883 00:52:02,690 --> 00:52:05,258 -Sure, but for work. -Ah. 884 00:52:05,392 --> 00:52:12,199 It's strictly-- strictly professional... interest. 885 00:52:12,332 --> 00:52:15,603 Mmm. Mm-hmm. 886 00:52:15,737 --> 00:52:17,839 So Uncle Aaron has never helped you explore 887 00:52:17,972 --> 00:52:20,908 this strictly professional interest? 888 00:52:22,142 --> 00:52:23,945 So you've never explored it, then? 889 00:52:34,454 --> 00:52:37,725 Maybe you have, but just not with Aaron. 890 00:52:44,532 --> 00:52:46,400 Do you keep secrets from Kristen? 891 00:52:49,737 --> 00:52:50,805 Maybe. 892 00:52:57,979 --> 00:52:59,479 Such as... 893 00:52:59,914 --> 00:53:01,314 Um... 894 00:53:02,215 --> 00:53:07,387 Let's just say that cartoon porn pays significantly less 895 00:53:07,522 --> 00:53:09,791 than Kristen thinks it does. 896 00:53:12,459 --> 00:53:14,162 But you have another source of income? 897 00:53:14,294 --> 00:53:16,329 - Maybe. - Is it salacious? 898 00:53:17,197 --> 00:53:18,265 Maybe. 899 00:53:18,966 --> 00:53:24,172 And now we both know enough about each other to... 900 00:53:24,906 --> 00:53:28,776 make both of our marriages incredibly uncomfortable, 901 00:53:30,477 --> 00:53:33,648 so... 902 00:53:40,855 --> 00:53:45,927 By the way, all that, like-- The BDSM stuff, 903 00:53:46,627 --> 00:53:49,030 -it's kind of mainstream now. -Yeah? 904 00:53:49,163 --> 00:53:50,631 Yeah, it's 50 shades of vanilla. 905 00:53:50,765 --> 00:53:52,166 You don't have to be embarrassed. 906 00:53:52,299 --> 00:53:54,869 -Oh, well, that's good. -It's fun. 907 00:53:58,238 --> 00:54:01,308 Yeah, I need to say good night to my kids before 908 00:54:01,441 --> 00:54:02,844 -it gets too late, I think. -Yeah. 909 00:54:02,977 --> 00:54:04,846 Maybe do a FaceTime with Great Aunt Priya? 910 00:54:04,979 --> 00:54:06,080 No. 911 00:54:06,214 --> 00:54:07,548 -Come on! -Nope. 912 00:54:07,682 --> 00:54:10,885 Great Aunt Priya is tipsy. 913 00:54:11,853 --> 00:54:14,454 I like FaceTiming when I'm tipsy. 914 00:54:15,022 --> 00:54:20,895 Oh! Look like Kathy Bates playing Wolverine. 915 00:54:21,596 --> 00:54:24,699 Ugh. Rough. 916 00:54:37,812 --> 00:54:39,981 Okay. All right. Well, I gotta go. 917 00:54:40,114 --> 00:54:42,617 Tell your mom I said goodnight, okay, bud? 918 00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:44,585 - Bye! - All right, bye. 919 00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:45,787 Aww. 920 00:54:46,386 --> 00:54:49,056 I remember when Laurel was that age. 921 00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:51,058 Just running wild already. 922 00:54:51,192 --> 00:54:55,495 Mmm, yeah. Jasper is so high-energy that if-- 923 00:54:55,630 --> 00:54:58,533 uh, if I'm not watching him every minute, 924 00:54:58,666 --> 00:55:01,068 he will actually run right under a moving truck. 925 00:55:01,202 --> 00:55:04,205 If Jocelyn doesn't bulldoze him herself. 926 00:55:04,337 --> 00:55:07,909 She is such a bossy little thing. 927 00:55:08,910 --> 00:55:09,977 What? 928 00:55:11,813 --> 00:55:13,380 It's nothing. My mom used to call me bossy. 929 00:55:13,514 --> 00:55:14,615 It's just a trigger, that's all. 930 00:55:14,749 --> 00:55:16,083 -Oh. -That's all. 931 00:55:16,217 --> 00:55:17,852 -Sorry. Shit. -No, please no. 932 00:55:17,985 --> 00:55:21,989 She'd be so worried about me doing anything to upset my dad. 933 00:55:22,123 --> 00:55:24,391 She had no idea he was getting off on it, 934 00:55:24,525 --> 00:55:29,396 and she was just so intent on making everything my fault, 935 00:55:29,530 --> 00:55:31,833 -so... -God. So sorry. 936 00:55:31,966 --> 00:55:35,670 I, uh, I hope I don't make Jocelyn feel that way. 937 00:55:35,803 --> 00:55:38,539 I, uh, I love that she has a mind of her own. 938 00:55:38,673 --> 00:55:41,843 It can be intimidating for boys, you know? 939 00:55:42,442 --> 00:55:46,514 The reason why a lot of boys kinda, like, stayed away from-- 940 00:55:46,647 --> 00:55:48,049 Well, you know what? 941 00:55:48,182 --> 00:55:49,750 Could've been the acne and the bad glasses. 942 00:55:49,884 --> 00:55:52,687 I do not remember acne or bad glasses. 943 00:55:52,820 --> 00:55:55,723 I mean, they were gone by the time I married into your family, 944 00:55:55,857 --> 00:55:57,825 -but... -Yeah, they definitely were. 945 00:55:57,959 --> 00:56:01,262 What I remember most on that first trip when you came to 946 00:56:01,394 --> 00:56:04,098 our house was my mom talking about how gorgeous you were. 947 00:56:04,232 --> 00:56:07,969 - No mention of acne or glasses. - Aww. Love your mom. 948 00:56:08,102 --> 00:56:11,471 And I remember my dad repeatedly saying that he hoped he didn't 949 00:56:11,606 --> 00:56:13,541 have to talk to you about your sex book. 950 00:56:16,677 --> 00:56:19,146 And that same trip, do you remember, 951 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,782 you were sitting outside painting your toenails... 952 00:56:21,916 --> 00:56:23,284 -Uh-huh. -...and I came out and I must've 953 00:56:23,416 --> 00:56:25,686 been, like, staring so intently 954 00:56:25,820 --> 00:56:27,889 because you offered to paint mine too. 955 00:56:28,022 --> 00:56:29,991 What were you, like, 14 or something? 956 00:56:30,124 --> 00:56:31,391 Younger, I think. 957 00:56:32,093 --> 00:56:35,296 There was something about that trip that left a huge... 958 00:56:35,428 --> 00:56:40,400 like, a pretty big impact on me, I guess, actually, 'cause you-- 959 00:56:40,534 --> 00:56:42,169 you talked to me like I was an adult, 960 00:56:42,303 --> 00:56:45,873 which just hadn't really happened in my family before, 961 00:56:46,007 --> 00:56:49,010 and you-- you kind of made me feel like I was less, like, 962 00:56:49,143 --> 00:56:50,244 wrong. 963 00:56:50,878 --> 00:56:54,582 Not to get too woo-woo about it, but... 964 00:56:54,949 --> 00:56:55,983 Thank you. 965 00:56:56,117 --> 00:56:57,852 Uh-huh. I wish I saw you more back then. 966 00:56:57,985 --> 00:57:02,290 -I wish I saw you more. -I don't think I saw you again 967 00:57:02,422 --> 00:57:03,591 until the wedding. 968 00:57:03,958 --> 00:57:08,596 Jack's wedding, when we danced the night away. 969 00:57:08,729 --> 00:57:10,598 You keep bringing that up. 970 00:57:12,366 --> 00:57:15,970 That wedding was a total disaster. I wish I hadn't gone. 971 00:57:17,338 --> 00:57:19,407 That time was such a mess. 972 00:57:19,540 --> 00:57:21,175 My second book had just come out, 973 00:57:21,309 --> 00:57:25,246 it hadn't been received as well as Patriarchy had. 974 00:57:25,379 --> 00:57:29,750 Aaron was in London again on a research gig. 975 00:57:29,884 --> 00:57:33,287 But Jack was getting married to my cousin Rachel-- 976 00:57:33,421 --> 00:57:36,057 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Rachel was your cousin? 977 00:57:36,190 --> 00:57:38,192 She was my cousin. Did you not know that? 978 00:57:38,326 --> 00:57:39,660 I mean, I guess I must've... 979 00:57:39,794 --> 00:57:41,461 Did you not notice my father was there? 980 00:57:41,595 --> 00:57:43,264 -Did you not meet him there? -I did. 981 00:57:43,397 --> 00:57:46,634 I mean, he was old, but he wasn't senile. 982 00:57:46,767 --> 00:57:50,304 Yet. But he was still terrifying. 983 00:57:51,072 --> 00:57:54,141 - Is that why you got so drunk? - Mmm. 984 00:57:54,809 --> 00:57:59,013 The whole night is one big blur. 985 00:57:59,146 --> 00:58:00,214 Come on. 986 00:58:00,748 --> 00:58:03,851 You do remember dancing with me, right? 987 00:58:04,852 --> 00:58:07,321 I do remember thinking you were really sweet, 988 00:58:07,455 --> 00:58:10,558 and beautiful, and so fun. 989 00:58:14,662 --> 00:58:17,631 Do you remember, uh, 990 00:58:19,367 --> 00:58:21,135 dropping your purse 991 00:58:22,603 --> 00:58:23,938 at the wedding? 992 00:58:26,173 --> 00:58:28,709 The purse with your room key in it? 993 00:58:33,581 --> 00:58:35,082 You know, I-- I... 994 00:58:37,284 --> 00:58:38,919 I, uh... 995 00:58:39,587 --> 00:58:42,957 I used-- I used the key. 996 00:58:45,092 --> 00:58:46,160 You know? 997 00:58:47,862 --> 00:58:52,233 I-- I mean, I-- I was 19, and I just, like-- 998 00:58:53,134 --> 00:58:58,105 My hot aunt had been flirting with me, and I-- I guess I... 999 00:58:58,973 --> 00:59:01,776 I wanted to see if, um... 1000 00:59:05,746 --> 00:59:07,748 um, but, I saw... 1001 00:59:47,121 --> 00:59:48,722 Wow, okay. 1002 00:59:52,493 --> 00:59:53,761 You saw that? 1003 01:00:00,901 --> 01:00:06,073 I-- I did-- I didn't-- I didn't see much. 1004 01:00:11,846 --> 01:00:15,082 But I just saw you on the bed, 1005 01:00:15,216 --> 01:00:18,219 and your dad... 1006 01:00:24,024 --> 01:00:25,926 I-- I got out of there. 1007 01:00:27,027 --> 01:00:29,096 Just dropped your purse and ran away. 1008 01:00:37,972 --> 01:00:40,141 Nic, it wasn't sex. 1009 01:00:40,674 --> 01:00:41,909 Okay? 1010 01:00:42,176 --> 01:00:44,879 I want you to know that it was never sex. 1011 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:47,381 Okay. 1012 01:00:48,249 --> 01:00:51,118 So it-- it wasn't sexual at all, then? 1013 01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:58,159 I swear I'm not judging you. 1014 01:00:59,226 --> 01:01:00,294 Priya... 1015 01:01:01,362 --> 01:01:04,198 but, can I ask, 1016 01:01:05,166 --> 01:01:07,201 um, did that just keep going 1017 01:01:07,334 --> 01:01:10,237 from-- from when you were little, or... 1018 01:01:10,371 --> 01:01:13,340 No. No. 1019 01:01:13,974 --> 01:01:15,209 Almost never. 1020 01:01:16,143 --> 01:01:17,211 Almost? 1021 01:01:20,582 --> 01:01:22,216 Fuck, Nic... 1022 01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:26,120 I never wanted you to see that. 1023 01:01:26,253 --> 01:01:28,822 I never wanted anyone to see that. 1024 01:01:29,723 --> 01:01:31,892 I mean, I know it's not easy, but I actually, 1025 01:01:32,026 --> 01:01:36,096 I-- I kind of like talking to you about this. 1026 01:01:37,031 --> 01:01:40,334 It-- it makes me feel like you trust me, 1027 01:01:41,335 --> 01:01:44,038 and that-- that I can trust you too. 1028 01:01:59,554 --> 01:02:00,821 You know, 1029 01:02:03,123 --> 01:02:09,263 I've never really talked to anyone... 1030 01:02:12,967 --> 01:02:14,401 about what you saw. 1031 01:02:18,305 --> 01:02:21,442 I've never written about it in any of my books. 1032 01:02:21,576 --> 01:02:24,745 I mean, I-- I've written about the hitting 1033 01:02:24,878 --> 01:02:28,349 and the pleasure it seemed to give him, 1034 01:02:28,482 --> 01:02:31,085 but I could never admit 1035 01:02:32,687 --> 01:02:37,024 just how it connected fear and pleasure for me. 1036 01:02:44,231 --> 01:02:48,235 Sometimes after he'd hit me, I'd go hide out and... 1037 01:02:51,706 --> 01:02:52,973 ...masturbate. 1038 01:02:55,710 --> 01:02:57,144 Thought that was totally normal. 1039 01:02:59,714 --> 01:03:01,148 You know, we just-- We're kids. 1040 01:03:01,282 --> 01:03:02,850 We just think everything's so normal, 1041 01:03:02,983 --> 01:03:04,918 and as I grew up, I just... 1042 01:03:05,654 --> 01:03:09,890 I realized it wasn't normal, and what was happening was bad, 1043 01:03:10,024 --> 01:03:13,427 and what he was doing was bad, and what I was doing was bad, 1044 01:03:13,561 --> 01:03:14,828 but... 1045 01:03:17,364 --> 01:03:18,432 No. 1046 01:03:19,601 --> 01:03:21,402 Yeah, it was bad. 1047 01:03:22,369 --> 01:03:24,506 I did it anyway. I just felt like shit. 1048 01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:27,174 I felt dirty. I felt sick. 1049 01:03:29,209 --> 01:03:31,211 I felt like a pervert. 1050 01:03:31,879 --> 01:03:34,114 No, you weren't doing anything wrong. 1051 01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:37,851 You were just a kid, you know? 1052 01:03:39,420 --> 01:03:43,725 I mean, I-- I think about my kids, and they-- they're-- 1053 01:03:44,491 --> 01:03:47,227 they're just built to love, you know? They just... 1054 01:03:48,062 --> 01:03:50,164 They're meant to trust, and... 1055 01:03:52,132 --> 01:03:54,569 You-- you didn't do anything wrong. 1056 01:03:54,703 --> 01:03:56,538 Your dad is the fucked up one. 1057 01:03:58,138 --> 01:03:59,674 You know that, right? 1058 01:03:59,808 --> 01:04:01,942 And yet you don't know it. 1059 01:04:04,579 --> 01:04:06,246 It's exhausting. 1060 01:04:08,516 --> 01:04:09,883 Seriously. 1061 01:04:14,522 --> 01:04:18,325 So, is-- is that part of sex for you now? 1062 01:04:18,459 --> 01:04:19,627 Getting spanked? 1063 01:04:20,027 --> 01:04:21,295 God. 1064 01:04:21,995 --> 01:04:23,631 I hate that word. 1065 01:04:24,998 --> 01:04:26,900 What word do you prefer? 1066 01:04:27,468 --> 01:04:28,636 Like, whipped? 1067 01:04:31,673 --> 01:04:32,940 Hit. 1068 01:04:34,743 --> 01:04:36,644 I'm the one who gets hit. 1069 01:04:38,278 --> 01:04:40,047 Do you ever think of just telling Aaron 1070 01:04:40,180 --> 01:04:42,517 what it is that you like? 1071 01:04:43,417 --> 01:04:46,887 Well, okay, "like" is not the word I'd use. 1072 01:04:47,856 --> 01:04:48,922 It's, um... 1073 01:04:49,557 --> 01:04:53,127 I don't know. I don't know what it is. It's maybe... 1074 01:04:56,096 --> 01:04:58,566 Satisfying? I don't know. 1075 01:04:59,933 --> 01:05:01,201 Yeah. 1076 01:05:03,170 --> 01:05:05,172 Aaron would never understand. 1077 01:05:10,210 --> 01:05:12,079 He's such a good guy, you know? 1078 01:05:13,147 --> 01:05:14,516 He'd never understand. 1079 01:05:15,449 --> 01:05:17,585 He'd think he did something wrong. He... 1080 01:05:18,653 --> 01:05:19,920 I don't know. 1081 01:05:21,321 --> 01:05:23,323 He'd never forgive me. 1082 01:05:25,827 --> 01:05:28,195 I mean, my readers wouldn't understand either. 1083 01:05:28,328 --> 01:05:30,431 I go around presenting myself 1084 01:05:30,565 --> 01:05:34,334 as such a goddamn feminist role model. 1085 01:05:34,468 --> 01:05:35,537 Hey. 1086 01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:40,240 Who says a feminist can't enjoy a good spanking once in a while? 1087 01:05:40,374 --> 01:05:42,376 Oh, I've done enough reading to know that 1088 01:05:42,510 --> 01:05:45,379 there's a version of hitting that is about 1089 01:05:46,046 --> 01:05:48,348 female consent and female empowerment 1090 01:05:48,482 --> 01:05:50,618 that's not connected to trauma and abuse, 1091 01:05:50,752 --> 01:05:53,253 but that's not what I am up to. 1092 01:05:56,957 --> 01:06:00,360 Mine is deeply rooted in... 1093 01:06:01,328 --> 01:06:03,096 the desires of men. 1094 01:06:04,064 --> 01:06:06,701 It is deeply rooted in... 1095 01:06:10,605 --> 01:06:12,339 my fractures. 1096 01:06:15,743 --> 01:06:17,010 God. 1097 01:06:17,645 --> 01:06:19,012 Must be really... 1098 01:06:20,915 --> 01:06:23,083 hard to be able to do that. 1099 01:06:24,485 --> 01:06:25,553 Do what? 1100 01:06:25,887 --> 01:06:27,354 Analyze yourself. 1101 01:06:27,488 --> 01:06:30,558 Diagnose yourself. 1102 01:06:32,961 --> 01:06:34,228 It's my job. 1103 01:06:35,128 --> 01:06:36,463 Yeah, but, I mean... 1104 01:06:38,065 --> 01:06:40,501 does it leave you any room for 1105 01:06:42,269 --> 01:06:44,204 pleasure, or... 1106 01:06:50,912 --> 01:06:52,179 Hmm. 1107 01:06:53,748 --> 01:06:56,283 No. I guess not. 1108 01:06:58,620 --> 01:06:59,687 It's a shame. 1109 01:07:02,222 --> 01:07:04,091 I think you deserve that. 1110 01:07:10,565 --> 01:07:12,299 Tell me about the text you got. 1111 01:07:18,006 --> 01:07:19,072 Um, 1112 01:07:19,807 --> 01:07:24,244 so you know how Lewis was my manager? 1113 01:07:25,145 --> 01:07:26,413 Um... 1114 01:07:30,217 --> 01:07:32,152 he's kind of... 1115 01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,422 like, my pimp, too. 1116 01:07:36,591 --> 01:07:37,725 I, uh, 1117 01:07:39,561 --> 01:07:41,729 I make most of my money these days 1118 01:07:41,863 --> 01:07:44,431 as, like, uh, an online escort, 1119 01:07:46,066 --> 01:07:48,770 for grown-up fans of Nicki. 1120 01:07:50,972 --> 01:07:53,307 People your dad finds? 1121 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,911 He kept a list over the years of Nicki's fan club, 1122 01:07:57,045 --> 01:07:58,378 and, um, 1123 01:07:59,112 --> 01:08:02,449 he sent them little messages saying, 1124 01:08:03,250 --> 01:08:04,953 "chat with Nicki." 1125 01:08:05,753 --> 01:08:10,157 You know, and then people would then ask for more, 1126 01:08:10,290 --> 01:08:12,527 and they'd offer to pay more. 1127 01:08:15,797 --> 01:08:16,864 So... 1128 01:08:20,668 --> 01:08:23,136 - And Kristen doesn't-- - No. 1129 01:08:23,270 --> 01:08:26,106 -Mm-hmm. -It's just online. 1130 01:08:27,508 --> 01:08:29,476 Online can be real too. 1131 01:08:30,812 --> 01:08:31,879 That's true. 1132 01:08:37,217 --> 01:08:39,621 So when Aaron is away, do you ever... 1133 01:08:41,556 --> 01:08:46,259 find anyone to-- to hit you for real? 1134 01:09:05,379 --> 01:09:06,914 Is that something you want? 1135 01:09:23,363 --> 01:09:24,632 I gotta go to sleep. 1136 01:09:25,667 --> 01:09:27,935 Let's pick it up in the morning, okay? 1137 01:09:58,365 --> 01:09:59,801 - Hi. - Hey. 1138 01:10:05,405 --> 01:10:06,741 Hello. 1139 01:10:11,445 --> 01:10:13,213 Do you know what this is like? 1140 01:10:13,346 --> 01:10:18,186 This is like the morning after a one night stand, 1141 01:10:18,553 --> 01:10:20,487 when you wake up next to someone and you're like, 1142 01:10:20,621 --> 01:10:21,989 "Wait, what just happened? 1143 01:10:22,123 --> 01:10:23,558 -Who are you?" -Oh, my God. 1144 01:10:23,691 --> 01:10:26,561 I don't know how you got me to talk so much. 1145 01:10:27,061 --> 01:10:29,329 Or drink so much. 1146 01:10:29,463 --> 01:10:32,900 Come on. You had three glasses of wine. 1147 01:10:38,472 --> 01:10:39,741 Who is it? 1148 01:10:40,307 --> 01:10:42,043 -It's the home. -Uh-huh. 1149 01:10:42,176 --> 01:10:43,443 Busy avoiding them. 1150 01:10:43,745 --> 01:10:47,548 -Is he okay? -Mm-hmm, yeah, he's okay. 1151 01:10:47,682 --> 01:10:50,118 He's totally confused. Deeply senile. 1152 01:10:50,551 --> 01:10:52,019 He keeps asking about me, 1153 01:10:52,153 --> 01:10:54,488 which is why they're probably calling so much. 1154 01:10:54,622 --> 01:10:56,958 Yikes. When was the last time you saw him? 1155 01:10:57,091 --> 01:11:01,129 Um... six months ago? 1156 01:11:02,163 --> 01:11:07,201 I had gone over to tell him that I was trying to forgive him, 1157 01:11:07,935 --> 01:11:14,175 and he looked at me like he had no idea who the fuck I was. 1158 01:11:14,942 --> 01:11:17,377 Well, I could tell my words struck some kind of chord 1159 01:11:17,512 --> 01:11:19,747 'cause he started shouting at me, 1160 01:11:19,881 --> 01:11:22,250 telling me to get out of his sight. 1161 01:11:22,884 --> 01:11:27,054 Nurse had to lead me out and I haven't been back since. 1162 01:11:28,256 --> 01:11:29,590 Yikes. 1163 01:11:31,993 --> 01:11:35,797 You know, the fact that I can stay away this long 1164 01:11:35,930 --> 01:11:37,497 when I know that he's dying in there 1165 01:11:37,632 --> 01:11:40,001 makes me feel like a bit of a sociopath. 1166 01:11:40,802 --> 01:11:44,772 I had all these people, all these survivors, 1167 01:11:45,573 --> 01:11:49,110 tell me how they cut off ties with their abusers 1168 01:11:49,243 --> 01:11:50,945 after reading my book, 1169 01:11:51,078 --> 01:11:52,280 and here I am, just... 1170 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,850 shelling out for this high-end place. 1171 01:11:55,983 --> 01:11:57,084 I totally get it. 1172 01:11:57,450 --> 01:11:59,187 Like, my brain is obviously very aware of 1173 01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:01,055 all the fucked up stuff Lewis has done, 1174 01:12:01,189 --> 01:12:02,890 but at the same time, 1175 01:12:03,024 --> 01:12:06,527 if he hadn't found this alternate source of income, 1176 01:12:06,661 --> 01:12:09,362 -I would be so broke. -Mm-hmm. 1177 01:12:09,496 --> 01:12:12,600 And, uh... voil�. 1178 01:12:12,733 --> 01:12:16,037 -Very nice. Very nice. -Thank you. 1179 01:12:16,604 --> 01:12:18,105 -Let me do yours. -Mm-mm. 1180 01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:22,009 Come on. We do nails all the time with the kids. Come on. 1181 01:12:34,589 --> 01:12:36,657 I'm really fascinated by all these 1182 01:12:36,791 --> 01:12:39,327 -online encounters of yours. -Mmm. 1183 01:12:40,761 --> 01:12:45,566 Do you like your clients? How-- how do you feel about them? 1184 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,168 I, uh... 1185 01:12:47,735 --> 01:12:49,402 I like a lot of them. 1186 01:12:51,005 --> 01:12:54,075 Some of them, they're, like, the highlight of my day. 1187 01:12:55,042 --> 01:12:56,811 The way that they... 1188 01:12:58,145 --> 01:12:59,379 I don't know, gaze at me, 1189 01:12:59,513 --> 01:13:03,618 it makes me feel interesting and... 1190 01:13:04,518 --> 01:13:05,786 important. 1191 01:13:07,121 --> 01:13:08,388 Like you. 1192 01:13:11,525 --> 01:13:13,694 Have I been gazing at you? 1193 01:13:17,965 --> 01:13:21,869 I've been gazing back, in case you hadn't noticed. 1194 01:13:27,174 --> 01:13:28,809 I see what you're doing. 1195 01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:31,679 What am I doing? 1196 01:13:32,213 --> 01:13:36,918 You're talking to me and looking at me like I'm one of them. 1197 01:13:37,551 --> 01:13:41,789 One of those online Nicki fans of yours. 1198 01:13:42,256 --> 01:13:43,925 You aren't a Nicki fan? 1199 01:13:55,435 --> 01:13:57,171 Can I ask you a question? 1200 01:13:59,774 --> 01:14:02,610 At that wedding, you were coming on to me, right? 1201 01:14:04,378 --> 01:14:07,748 That was not just dancing. 1202 01:14:09,550 --> 01:14:11,018 And this weekend... 1203 01:14:13,054 --> 01:14:15,523 all these little moments, like... 1204 01:14:16,958 --> 01:14:18,491 when you unbuttoned your blouse 1205 01:14:18,626 --> 01:14:20,493 when you thought I wasn't looking. 1206 01:14:21,963 --> 01:14:23,030 And... 1207 01:14:42,783 --> 01:14:44,251 Fuck, it's Aaron. 1208 01:14:50,191 --> 01:14:51,258 Hey! 1209 01:15:13,247 --> 01:15:14,515 Why'd you do that? 1210 01:15:15,616 --> 01:15:17,985 -Why did I do what? -Act all ashamed, 1211 01:15:18,119 --> 01:15:20,254 like I was a goddamn porn site or something? 1212 01:15:20,388 --> 01:15:22,690 Because my husband called? 1213 01:15:25,493 --> 01:15:26,727 Look, Nic. 1214 01:15:27,161 --> 01:15:28,963 What we were doing, what we were starting to do, 1215 01:15:29,096 --> 01:15:30,798 where you were taking us, was not okay. 1216 01:15:30,931 --> 01:15:32,566 -Wait, where I was taking us? -Okay? By any-- 1217 01:15:32,700 --> 01:15:34,101 So you had nothing to do with it? 1218 01:15:34,235 --> 01:15:36,370 -I-- I'm just saying-- -Okay, I'm gonna own it. 1219 01:15:36,504 --> 01:15:39,740 If I-- if I had wanted something to happen in there, I-- 1220 01:15:39,874 --> 01:15:41,208 Or last night. I-- I don't think 1221 01:15:41,342 --> 01:15:43,310 it would be anything to be ashamed of. 1222 01:15:43,444 --> 01:15:46,515 We're both happy to be married. 1223 01:15:46,647 --> 01:15:48,349 -I mean, at least I am. -I'm married too. 1224 01:15:48,482 --> 01:15:51,185 I'm not saying that it would've been right, I'm just saying 1225 01:15:51,318 --> 01:15:53,187 that there's no sense in guilting yourself for 1226 01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,991 the wanting part of it, okay? I feel like you work so hard 1227 01:15:57,124 --> 01:15:58,893 to resist all your impulses, Priya-- 1228 01:15:59,026 --> 01:16:00,828 -Could you just stop this? -Stop what? 1229 01:16:00,961 --> 01:16:03,064 Can you just stop making everything okay? 1230 01:16:03,197 --> 01:16:06,333 Will you stop collapsing every boundary known to mankind? Okay? 1231 01:16:06,467 --> 01:16:10,104 We all just-- We need-- we need structure so there's no chaos. 1232 01:16:10,237 --> 01:16:12,106 We need to have some rules to live by. Okay? 1233 01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:13,741 Oh, my God, you're so hard on yourself. 1234 01:16:13,874 --> 01:16:15,810 You're so fucking easy on yourself! 1235 01:16:29,924 --> 01:16:32,259 Nic, if Aaron was ever to 1236 01:16:34,662 --> 01:16:37,598 find out about whatever that was... 1237 01:16:39,733 --> 01:16:41,836 I-- I would never. 1238 01:16:45,139 --> 01:16:49,009 Look, I don't want to blow up your life. 1239 01:16:49,511 --> 01:16:51,846 But is that honestly your life? 1240 01:16:52,413 --> 01:16:53,681 Your marriage? 1241 01:16:53,814 --> 01:16:55,282 You preach total honesty, 1242 01:16:55,416 --> 01:16:57,418 but you won't even talk for real to your husband. 1243 01:16:57,552 --> 01:16:59,053 I-- I think in every marriage, 1244 01:16:59,186 --> 01:17:00,888 there are things that are left unsaid. 1245 01:17:01,021 --> 01:17:03,424 Things like a whole secret BDSM life? 1246 01:17:03,558 --> 01:17:05,126 That is not my life. 1247 01:17:05,759 --> 01:17:07,529 -That is not my life. -Isn't it? 1248 01:17:07,661 --> 01:17:08,863 -Isn't it? -No. 1249 01:17:08,996 --> 01:17:10,064 Isn't that part of everyone's life? 1250 01:17:10,197 --> 01:17:11,265 The secret shit? 1251 01:17:11,866 --> 01:17:13,134 Because you're so honest 1252 01:17:13,267 --> 01:17:14,835 -with your secret shit? -Oh, my God. 1253 01:17:14,969 --> 01:17:17,171 See, you don't get it, Nic. 1254 01:17:18,573 --> 01:17:23,377 Aaron is the one thing that keeps me in the world, 1255 01:17:24,178 --> 01:17:26,247 and I can't risk losing him. 1256 01:17:26,380 --> 01:17:28,916 I can't risk losing Kristen either. 1257 01:17:29,283 --> 01:17:31,185 I'm just saying you need to own your shit. 1258 01:17:31,318 --> 01:17:32,920 Okay, fine. Do you want me to confess? 1259 01:17:33,053 --> 01:17:34,688 - Yes! - What do you want me 1260 01:17:34,822 --> 01:17:36,724 to confess? What-- what do you-- what do you want me to confess? 1261 01:17:36,857 --> 01:17:39,226 That-- that I'm not totally honest with what I want? Sure. 1262 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,695 That-- that something just happened, something fucked up 1263 01:17:41,829 --> 01:17:43,532 just happened between us and it was sexual? Yes. 1264 01:17:43,664 --> 01:17:46,066 Like all my other encounters? Sure. Is that what you want, 1265 01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,035 that I'm not faithful to Aaron? You happy? 1266 01:17:48,169 --> 01:17:49,803 Maybe you're faithful to yourself. 1267 01:17:49,937 --> 01:17:51,672 - Oh, God. - Your real self, kind of. 1268 01:18:04,251 --> 01:18:05,419 I can't-- 1269 01:18:09,723 --> 01:18:11,258 I can't have that 1270 01:18:13,662 --> 01:18:15,362 be my real self. 1271 01:18:16,764 --> 01:18:18,165 Like, do you understand that? 1272 01:18:18,299 --> 01:18:21,936 I-- I-- That-- that part of me is too tainted. 1273 01:18:22,069 --> 01:18:25,439 It-- it is just mixed up with my dad. 1274 01:18:25,574 --> 01:18:27,708 That-- that part of myself is too broken. 1275 01:18:27,841 --> 01:18:29,877 I-- I know what you're saying, I know what you're trying to 1276 01:18:30,010 --> 01:18:33,847 get me to do, but I-- I can't have that. 1277 01:18:38,185 --> 01:18:42,056 You know what? We've spent way too much time off the record. 1278 01:18:42,189 --> 01:18:44,425 We're-- We gotta get back. I-- I don't even know 1279 01:18:44,559 --> 01:18:46,093 if we have anything here. 1280 01:18:46,227 --> 01:18:48,095 I gotta find if we have anything here, and-- and you-- 1281 01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:50,431 you have to leave soon. We have a timeline. 1282 01:18:50,565 --> 01:18:52,099 -Uh... -Unbelievable. 1283 01:18:52,701 --> 01:18:54,435 Why don't we, uh, get back to 1284 01:18:54,569 --> 01:18:58,839 your, uh, babysitters and-- and your baths? 1285 01:19:00,140 --> 01:19:04,679 Um... yeah. Let's. 1286 01:19:05,547 --> 01:19:08,349 - Do you... - What? 1287 01:19:08,482 --> 01:19:13,053 I don't know. Do you-- do you, um... 1288 01:19:16,223 --> 01:19:18,859 How long did it go on for? The abuse. 1289 01:19:21,028 --> 01:19:22,963 I don't know. Eventually they moved away. 1290 01:19:23,097 --> 01:19:25,833 I think I was, like, six or seven. 1291 01:19:29,069 --> 01:19:33,374 Did you ever see them again? As an adult, I mean. 1292 01:19:33,508 --> 01:19:38,012 Yeah, actually. Once I saw Mrs. Ellison. 1293 01:19:39,046 --> 01:19:41,882 Aunt Carol, she had me call her. 1294 01:19:42,016 --> 01:19:43,917 Um, it was at this big blowout party 1295 01:19:44,051 --> 01:19:45,620 that my dad threw for Nicki. 1296 01:19:46,287 --> 01:19:48,922 It was-- You know, after the divorce, 1297 01:19:49,390 --> 01:19:52,226 my agent, the real agent that I had dropped me 1298 01:19:52,359 --> 01:19:55,195 'cause I kept showing up late and fucking up big gigs-- 1299 01:19:55,329 --> 01:19:59,066 -Why did you do that? -Mmm, 'cause I, um... 1300 01:19:59,433 --> 01:20:02,169 I really started to believe my own importance in the world, 1301 01:20:02,303 --> 01:20:06,574 which, turns out I'd vastly overestimated. 1302 01:20:06,974 --> 01:20:09,343 Is this just before you quit? 1303 01:20:09,877 --> 01:20:11,145 Yeah. 1304 01:20:11,945 --> 01:20:13,515 You know what? Fuck it. 1305 01:20:15,316 --> 01:20:18,753 I've never really told anyone, not the whole thing, but, yeah. 1306 01:20:18,886 --> 01:20:20,821 -I can turn it off. -Record it. 1307 01:20:21,355 --> 01:20:23,357 This is what you want, right? 1308 01:20:24,024 --> 01:20:25,259 Um... 1309 01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:29,830 Okay, yeah, I was at this, uh-- this big blowout party 1310 01:20:29,963 --> 01:20:36,270 that my dad threw for Nicki, and I see Aunt Carol come in, 1311 01:20:36,403 --> 01:20:40,974 and I-- I see that she's kind of scared of me, 1312 01:20:41,743 --> 01:20:42,876 and I... 1313 01:20:43,678 --> 01:20:46,447 I start, like, kind of getting off on her being scared 1314 01:20:46,581 --> 01:20:50,484 and I start flirting with her pretty seriously. I'm-- 1315 01:20:51,251 --> 01:20:53,354 I probably would've slept with the old bag 1316 01:20:53,487 --> 01:20:56,957 if my dad hadn't seen what was going on and-- 1317 01:20:57,559 --> 01:21:02,062 and come over and steered me away from her 1318 01:21:02,196 --> 01:21:08,068 and pawned me off on the Nicki fan club, and... 1319 01:21:10,437 --> 01:21:14,709 I swear I never did this. Ever. Ever. 1320 01:21:14,843 --> 01:21:17,545 But that night, I found myself 1321 01:21:18,613 --> 01:21:20,280 hitting on this kid. 1322 01:21:21,415 --> 01:21:23,651 I mean, he wasn't a child by any means, 1323 01:21:23,785 --> 01:21:25,152 but he was definitely... 1324 01:21:26,253 --> 01:21:29,890 He was-- he was not old enough 1325 01:21:30,023 --> 01:21:31,992 for me to be flirting with, and-- 1326 01:21:32,926 --> 01:21:36,397 and I remember staring at these bushes in the backyard, 1327 01:21:36,531 --> 01:21:37,599 and, um... 1328 01:21:38,733 --> 01:21:40,000 Um... 1329 01:21:42,369 --> 01:21:44,806 Back when I was a kid, there was this little neighbor girl 1330 01:21:44,938 --> 01:21:49,476 who was younger than me-- like, six-- and... 1331 01:21:50,244 --> 01:21:54,047 one time, I-- I led her into those bushes 1332 01:21:54,181 --> 01:21:57,184 and we... played doctor. 1333 01:21:57,685 --> 01:22:01,723 But after she pulled down her pants, she got really scared. 1334 01:22:01,856 --> 01:22:04,391 She just ran away 1335 01:22:05,192 --> 01:22:06,594 and never came back. 1336 01:22:07,127 --> 01:22:09,864 So I was at the party and this kid was flirting with me, 1337 01:22:09,997 --> 01:22:11,599 and-- and I-- I... 1338 01:22:12,466 --> 01:22:14,968 I remember looking at those bushes and... 1339 01:22:15,102 --> 01:22:18,105 -Did you take him there? -No! No, no, no. I... 1340 01:22:19,273 --> 01:22:21,609 I almost did, but I... 1341 01:22:23,912 --> 01:22:24,978 I kind of... 1342 01:22:25,780 --> 01:22:32,219 I, like, staggered over to them and I fell into them. 1343 01:22:34,254 --> 01:22:35,956 And I-- I remember 1344 01:22:36,925 --> 01:22:40,160 laying there and looking up at those same fucking bushes 1345 01:22:40,294 --> 01:22:45,199 that I had made that girl take her pants off in, 1346 01:22:47,702 --> 01:22:48,969 and I just... 1347 01:22:49,904 --> 01:22:51,371 I knew that 1348 01:22:52,172 --> 01:22:55,976 I had-- I had to get away, or... 1349 01:22:57,779 --> 01:23:00,748 or I was-- I was gonna turn into one of them. 1350 01:23:01,916 --> 01:23:06,253 Like, a-- a monster. 1351 01:23:13,427 --> 01:23:16,296 And so I-- I got myself a cab 1352 01:23:16,430 --> 01:23:20,100 and I got to the airport and I flew away. 1353 01:23:21,636 --> 01:23:24,739 -Where'd you go? -I went to Kristen's. 1354 01:23:27,809 --> 01:23:30,077 She got it more than anyone else, you know? 1355 01:23:30,210 --> 01:23:31,478 Just needing to... 1356 01:23:33,113 --> 01:23:36,416 take a break from that whole world. 1357 01:23:38,185 --> 01:23:43,290 Um, I mean, I-- I think, 1358 01:23:44,526 --> 01:23:45,593 like, I-- 1359 01:23:46,260 --> 01:23:48,495 I really fucking think that I-- 1360 01:23:49,129 --> 01:23:51,265 I saved my own life that night. 1361 01:23:54,636 --> 01:23:55,703 And I... 1362 01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:59,439 I'd be lying if I said I didn't have regrets, or... 1363 01:24:02,309 --> 01:24:04,579 maybe think my dad was right. 1364 01:24:07,047 --> 01:24:08,315 That I blew it. 1365 01:24:10,618 --> 01:24:11,686 Um... 1366 01:24:33,608 --> 01:24:34,676 Nic. 1367 01:24:36,176 --> 01:24:37,444 Yeah? 1368 01:24:42,817 --> 01:24:44,719 At the wedding, 1369 01:24:45,954 --> 01:24:49,189 I danced with you like that 1370 01:24:50,223 --> 01:24:53,260 because I wanted him to punish me. 1371 01:25:00,868 --> 01:25:02,135 When-- 1372 01:25:03,871 --> 01:25:06,641 when I was writing about him, I was remembering all the pain, 1373 01:25:06,774 --> 01:25:09,443 and I couldn't really help but remember all the rest, 1374 01:25:09,577 --> 01:25:15,583 and I wanted my second book to be about that, 1375 01:25:15,950 --> 01:25:20,755 about all the secrets shit that he smeared on me. 1376 01:25:21,656 --> 01:25:23,825 But I, uh... 1377 01:25:26,126 --> 01:25:28,763 I just lost my nerve, and I... 1378 01:25:31,198 --> 01:25:32,767 You know, it showed. 1379 01:25:32,900 --> 01:25:38,773 People were just disappointed at shit that I wrote, 1380 01:25:38,906 --> 01:25:42,043 and so at the wedding, 1381 01:25:42,476 --> 01:25:46,313 I decided to throw myself back into the lion's den. 1382 01:25:46,446 --> 01:25:52,252 And I thought if I could just experience it 1383 01:25:53,921 --> 01:25:55,623 as an adult... 1384 01:26:00,227 --> 01:26:01,896 Then maybe I could understand it. 1385 01:26:03,031 --> 01:26:04,297 Finally. 1386 01:26:05,667 --> 01:26:09,503 But it made things so much worse. 1387 01:26:11,773 --> 01:26:16,410 Because I had always felt, uh, complicit. 1388 01:26:17,477 --> 01:26:19,580 But I could justify it 1389 01:26:19,714 --> 01:26:23,918 and-- and say that I was a kid or a teenager, but... 1390 01:26:32,192 --> 01:26:33,695 I was an adult. 1391 01:26:38,166 --> 01:26:43,705 And I am trying to 1392 01:26:45,338 --> 01:26:47,407 reconcile with that fact, 1393 01:26:49,476 --> 01:26:51,344 and I keep... 1394 01:26:52,914 --> 01:26:53,981 failing. 1395 01:27:00,922 --> 01:27:02,355 So there you have it. 1396 01:27:02,489 --> 01:27:07,427 That's my... secretest of secret shit. 1397 01:27:17,538 --> 01:27:18,806 Uh... 1398 01:27:20,373 --> 01:27:21,642 Yeah. 1399 01:27:23,410 --> 01:27:24,679 Maybe-- 1400 01:27:26,013 --> 01:27:28,583 maybe we could go take a walk or something. 1401 01:27:29,416 --> 01:27:32,153 - Mmm. - I, um... 1402 01:27:34,589 --> 01:27:37,324 I'm feeling a little fried from the... 1403 01:27:37,457 --> 01:27:39,794 fighting the nerve endings or whatever. 1404 01:27:39,927 --> 01:27:41,495 I, uh... 1405 01:27:43,097 --> 01:27:44,799 I'm gonna-- I'm gonna go pee, 1406 01:27:44,932 --> 01:27:46,000 and then... 1407 01:27:46,567 --> 01:27:49,637 we can go get some fresh, non-traumatized air. 1408 01:27:51,438 --> 01:27:52,974 Okay. 1409 01:28:12,627 --> 01:28:14,427 Nic, your phone is ringing. 1410 01:28:20,668 --> 01:28:22,302 It's Kristen. Do you want me to get it? 1411 01:28:22,435 --> 01:28:24,772 No. No, I'll be right down. 1412 01:29:08,216 --> 01:29:11,819 I danced with you like that 1413 01:29:12,687 --> 01:29:17,024 because I wanted him to punish me. 1414 01:29:17,158 --> 01:29:20,194 When I was writing about him, I was remembering all the pain, 1415 01:29:20,328 --> 01:29:22,997 and I couldn't really help but remember all the rest, 1416 01:29:23,130 --> 01:29:28,970 and I wanted my second book to be about that, 1417 01:29:29,103 --> 01:29:34,075 about all the secrets shit that he smeared on me. 1418 01:29:34,775 --> 01:29:39,479 But I, uh... I just lost my nerve, and I... 1419 01:29:40,081 --> 01:29:41,716 You know, it showed-- 1420 01:29:44,252 --> 01:29:46,854 Look... 1421 01:29:47,420 --> 01:29:48,890 I've been so careful. 1422 01:29:49,422 --> 01:29:51,993 I've been so careful 1423 01:29:52,459 --> 01:29:56,697 not to record you when you don't wanna be recorded, and... 1424 01:29:56,831 --> 01:29:59,000 I mean, I-- I wasn't gonna do anything with it. 1425 01:29:59,133 --> 01:30:00,568 -What was this for? -I just-- It was, like-- 1426 01:30:00,701 --> 01:30:02,970 I mean... 1427 01:30:03,738 --> 01:30:05,506 I was gonna-- I was-- 1428 01:30:05,973 --> 01:30:09,243 I was gonna maybe use it for the show as, like, um... 1429 01:30:09,744 --> 01:30:12,680 like, a proof of concept sort of thing. 1430 01:30:12,813 --> 01:30:14,982 You know, only if you liked it. 1431 01:30:16,884 --> 01:30:19,486 Which, obviously, you don't. So, I, uh... 1432 01:30:19,620 --> 01:30:22,823 You were gonna use this as a proof of concept? 1433 01:30:22,957 --> 01:30:24,091 Um... 1434 01:30:24,225 --> 01:30:27,028 You know, I-- I, uh, I thought-- 1435 01:30:27,161 --> 01:30:29,830 I didn't-- I didn't think that... 1436 01:30:29,964 --> 01:30:33,868 And-- and all that stuff? All that stuff. What was that? 1437 01:30:34,168 --> 01:30:39,206 The-- the seducing me and the-- and the manipulating me, 1438 01:30:39,340 --> 01:30:40,875 -was that... -No. 1439 01:30:41,474 --> 01:30:42,543 I'm-- 1440 01:30:43,010 --> 01:30:45,313 It might have started out that way, 1441 01:30:45,445 --> 01:30:47,447 but then, I mean, obviously something real happened. 1442 01:30:47,581 --> 01:30:50,685 It-- I came into it thinking it would be good practice, 1443 01:30:50,818 --> 01:30:52,086 but then I thought that-- 1444 01:30:52,219 --> 01:30:54,055 You were seducing me for practice? 1445 01:30:54,188 --> 01:30:56,924 I mean, at first, but then-- Look, can you give me the-- 1446 01:30:57,058 --> 01:30:58,859 This is such a fucking violation-- 1447 01:30:58,993 --> 01:31:00,861 -Can you give me the phone? -Nic, get away. 1448 01:31:08,569 --> 01:31:11,572 Do you have any idea what you just did? 1449 01:31:12,206 --> 01:31:13,641 I, um... 1450 01:31:15,776 --> 01:31:18,846 I-- I just-- I-- I didn't think there was any harm 1451 01:31:18,980 --> 01:31:20,480 -in recording it. -No, why would you? 1452 01:31:20,614 --> 01:31:22,016 You're a cis white man. 1453 01:31:22,149 --> 01:31:23,718 No accountability for jack shit. Why would you? 1454 01:31:23,851 --> 01:31:25,786 It's just that you have all the cards here. 1455 01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,589 -What cards? -You have-- you have this. 1456 01:31:28,723 --> 01:31:29,724 -That? -You know? 1457 01:31:29,857 --> 01:31:31,491 That is reference audio 1458 01:31:32,526 --> 01:31:34,128 that you gave me consent for! 1459 01:31:34,261 --> 01:31:36,397 Because we're writing a book together. 1460 01:31:36,530 --> 01:31:37,732 -Yeah. -As partners. 1461 01:31:37,865 --> 01:31:39,367 Or we were writing a book together. 1462 01:31:39,499 --> 01:31:41,435 Wait, we still are. You can't just quit like that-- 1463 01:31:41,569 --> 01:31:42,803 Fuck! 1464 01:31:42,937 --> 01:31:44,005 Okay. 1465 01:31:52,313 --> 01:31:56,784 You wouldn't know a boundary if it hit you in the fucking face. 1466 01:31:57,084 --> 01:31:58,152 Okay. 1467 01:31:58,719 --> 01:32:01,088 Okay. We're-- we're-- we're done here. 1468 01:32:01,222 --> 01:32:03,958 -No, Priya, please. -This is what we're gonna do. 1469 01:32:04,091 --> 01:32:07,261 We are going to unlock this phone, 1470 01:32:07,395 --> 01:32:09,630 and we are going to delete this video. 1471 01:32:09,764 --> 01:32:10,931 I don't-- 1472 01:32:11,399 --> 01:32:13,434 -I don't think we need to-- -Nic, listen to me. 1473 01:32:13,567 --> 01:32:17,038 Will you please unlock this phone? 1474 01:32:25,846 --> 01:32:27,581 -I'm sorry. -Okay. 1475 01:32:28,382 --> 01:32:29,817 It's deleted. 1476 01:32:30,317 --> 01:32:31,552 Yeah. 1477 01:33:38,719 --> 01:33:40,921 Listen... 1478 01:33:44,425 --> 01:33:45,693 Hello? 1479 01:33:47,495 --> 01:33:49,063 Yeah, it is Priya. 1480 01:33:49,196 --> 01:33:50,731 Um, I know you've been trying to reach me, 1481 01:33:50,865 --> 01:33:52,867 but I actually don't wanna s-- 1482 01:33:53,701 --> 01:33:56,704 Oh. Um... Oh, okay. 1483 01:33:58,739 --> 01:34:00,941 Sounds good. That is a good option. 1484 01:34:01,610 --> 01:34:04,845 Um, yeah, I think we should go ahead and do that. 1485 01:34:06,814 --> 01:34:08,749 Next-- Thank you. That'd be great. 1486 01:34:08,883 --> 01:34:10,784 Okay, thank you so much. 1487 01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:12,786 Okay, bye. 1488 01:34:13,588 --> 01:34:14,855 Was that the home? 1489 01:34:17,358 --> 01:34:21,128 Turns out there is a single room that's available. 1490 01:34:21,795 --> 01:34:23,397 Waiting list was long, so. 1491 01:34:24,064 --> 01:34:27,101 He might as well be comfortable while I'm not visiting him. 1492 01:34:28,802 --> 01:34:31,338 I mean, he doesn't deserve it, but... 1493 01:34:32,139 --> 01:34:34,175 yeah, I guess let him be comfortable. 1494 01:34:36,010 --> 01:34:39,813 Oh, Nic. Who are we to say who deserves what? 1495 01:34:44,818 --> 01:34:46,086 Listen... 1496 01:34:47,254 --> 01:34:51,325 I feel like you've spent all weekend, like, 1497 01:34:52,059 --> 01:34:54,663 trying to find the worst shit that happened to me 1498 01:34:54,795 --> 01:34:58,065 so that you can link it to my modeling career and my sex life. 1499 01:34:58,199 --> 01:35:01,435 Like, you're-- you're trying to find the source of my defect, 1500 01:35:01,570 --> 01:35:02,637 but... 1501 01:35:03,538 --> 01:35:06,941 I don't know, I-- I don't really think that I'm defective. 1502 01:35:08,242 --> 01:35:10,144 And... for what it's worth, 1503 01:35:10,277 --> 01:35:12,780 I don't really think that you're defective either. 1504 01:35:14,982 --> 01:35:16,250 I just... 1505 01:35:17,318 --> 01:35:23,057 I hope you can detach that from what happened with your dad. 1506 01:35:23,658 --> 01:35:27,828 'Cause, I mean, you gotta allow yourself pleasure. 1507 01:35:28,796 --> 01:35:30,764 No matter what happened before. 1508 01:35:41,742 --> 01:35:42,810 Look, 1509 01:35:43,678 --> 01:35:47,248 I know that I've-- I've fucked this whole thing up, 1510 01:35:47,381 --> 01:35:48,816 and I'm-- 1511 01:35:49,718 --> 01:35:51,986 I'm really, hugely, 1512 01:35:53,020 --> 01:35:55,122 ridiculously sorry. 1513 01:36:00,494 --> 01:36:01,730 But... 1514 01:36:03,063 --> 01:36:05,299 I'm not really sorry about the other stuff. 1515 01:36:07,868 --> 01:36:09,436 And I hope you aren't either. 1516 01:36:14,308 --> 01:36:15,376 I, uh... 1517 01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:17,945 Even if our book doesn't happen-- 1518 01:36:18,078 --> 01:36:19,947 which I think would be a real shame-- 1519 01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:23,183 that other book that you keep not writing, 1520 01:36:23,317 --> 01:36:27,788 the-- the secretest of the secret shit one? 1521 01:36:28,922 --> 01:36:31,025 I think that would be a great book. 1522 01:36:37,097 --> 01:36:38,533 Thank you, Nic. 1523 01:36:39,166 --> 01:36:40,434 I'd buy it. 1524 01:36:40,934 --> 01:36:42,870 Yes, but would you read it? 1525 01:36:46,073 --> 01:36:47,474 Can't promise you on that. 1526 01:36:50,844 --> 01:36:52,479 I don't know... 1527 01:36:53,213 --> 01:36:58,118 It's kind of freeing to see that you have your own shit, 1528 01:36:58,819 --> 01:37:00,387 just like everybody does. 1529 01:37:01,021 --> 01:37:02,890 You find that freeing? 1530 01:37:05,159 --> 01:37:06,661 I find it depressing. 1531 01:37:07,995 --> 01:37:12,833 -You look kind of depressed. -Yeah, my life's a fucking mess. 1532 01:37:15,603 --> 01:37:17,137 So your life's a mess. 1533 01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:19,907 So what? 1534 01:37:21,576 --> 01:37:26,313 Maybe it's not about going from being broken to being fixed. 1535 01:37:29,751 --> 01:37:31,452 Maybe it's about, like... 1536 01:37:33,287 --> 01:37:38,526 going from broken to being okay with-- with being broken. 1537 01:37:48,402 --> 01:37:51,405 Pretty astute for a bag boy from Peoria. 1538 01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:54,475 Metaphorical Peoria. 1539 01:37:59,647 --> 01:38:02,416 -I think I'm all talked out. -Me too. 1540 01:38:05,152 --> 01:38:08,122 You know what? I've got another idea. 1541 01:38:08,255 --> 01:38:11,225 Oh, Nic, no. I'm sorry, whatever you're thinking-- 1542 01:38:11,358 --> 01:38:13,093 I'm actually-- I'm not thinking at all, actually. 1543 01:38:13,227 --> 01:38:14,495 I think "Fuck thinking." 1544 01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:17,599 I think "Fuck thinking, fuck talking." 1545 01:38:17,732 --> 01:38:19,166 Come on. 1546 01:38:20,835 --> 01:38:22,570 -Come on. -Oh, no. 1547 01:38:22,704 --> 01:38:26,407 You're the one who wants to live more in your body. 1548 01:38:27,374 --> 01:38:29,544 Come on, Priya. Remember how free 1549 01:38:29,677 --> 01:38:32,413 you used to feel on the dance floor? 1550 01:38:35,717 --> 01:38:38,986 You're missing out. 1551 01:38:43,758 --> 01:38:45,492 Come on, Priya! 1552 01:38:45,627 --> 01:38:49,196 Just... let go. 116813

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