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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,100 --> 00:00:08,033 -I'm so happy to see you. 2 00:00:08,033 --> 00:00:09,666 -[Billie] When women come together 3 00:00:09,666 --> 00:00:12,600 to share their personal stories of pain, progress, 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,333 and perseverance, something incredible happens. 5 00:00:16,333 --> 00:00:18,333 -I've had some really great experiences, 6 00:00:18,333 --> 00:00:20,200 and this is going to be at the top of the list. 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,366 -[Billie] We move from being isolated to being 8 00:00:22,366 --> 00:00:26,133 in community with one another. 9 00:00:26,133 --> 00:00:27,800 -I went through this, I struggled 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,100 before I became the best in the world in the heptathlon. 11 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:32,600 -That's such a cool thing to say. 12 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,600 [ Both laughing ] -I know! 13 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,433 -I'm Billie Jean King, 14 00:00:36,433 --> 00:00:38,766 tennis champion and equal rights activist. 15 00:00:38,766 --> 00:00:41,100 [ Cheering ] 16 00:00:41,100 --> 00:00:44,533 I invited world-class athletes to team up for a series 17 00:00:44,533 --> 00:00:49,166 of one-on-one conversations to share their powerful stories 18 00:00:49,166 --> 00:00:51,633 of their individual roads to success. 19 00:00:51,633 --> 00:00:54,200 -I started at a dust field 20 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,466 because they told us that we were not allowed 21 00:00:57,466 --> 00:00:59,500 to stand on the field because 22 00:00:59,500 --> 00:01:01,100 it was for the boys. 23 00:01:01,100 --> 00:01:02,500 -[Billie] Discussing everything from 24 00:01:02,500 --> 00:01:04,833 mental health to equal pay... 25 00:01:04,833 --> 00:01:07,433 -[Julie] We won that first World Cup, we won the Olympics. 26 00:01:07,433 --> 00:01:10,266 We were literally still making $10 a day. 27 00:01:10,266 --> 00:01:11,766 -$10 a day? -Yes. 28 00:01:11,766 --> 00:01:13,400 -I think the biggest battles really 29 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,166 have been with myself. 30 00:01:15,166 --> 00:01:16,600 -I got outed, 31 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,500 so I lost all my endorsements in 24 hours. 32 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:22,066 -[Jackie] Your voice gave others 33 00:01:22,066 --> 00:01:23,333 the voice, too, to stand up. 34 00:01:23,333 --> 00:01:24,833 And I want to say thank you, 35 00:01:24,833 --> 00:01:27,266 because some of us don't have the strength. 36 00:01:27,266 --> 00:01:29,733 -♪ Don't underestimate me ♪ 37 00:01:29,733 --> 00:01:31,233 [ Upbeat music ] 38 00:01:31,233 --> 00:01:34,533 ♪ Oh, right here, right now... ♪ 39 00:01:34,533 --> 00:01:36,166 -I competed at the Olympics 40 00:01:36,166 --> 00:01:38,200 with a fractured shin. -How did you do that? 41 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,733 -[Jackie] If I talked about my mental health, 42 00:01:40,733 --> 00:01:42,166 I was considered weak. 43 00:01:42,166 --> 00:01:44,100 -These stories must be shared 44 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:46,266 from one generation to the next, 45 00:01:46,266 --> 00:01:50,266 so we can keep building on the progress we've made. 46 00:01:50,266 --> 00:01:53,066 -[Diana] The most amazing thing has been to see the impact 47 00:01:53,066 --> 00:01:55,333 it has had all over the world. 48 00:01:55,333 --> 00:01:58,666 -They put that medal around your neck, and I realized, 49 00:01:58,666 --> 00:02:04,566 wow, maybe I really have had an impact as a woman in sports. 50 00:02:04,566 --> 00:02:06,433 -My role now is I've gotta mentor you 51 00:02:06,433 --> 00:02:08,400 to carry this over the line eventually. 52 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,266 You keep running, you sprint. 53 00:02:10,266 --> 00:02:14,033 [ Upbeat music ] 54 00:02:16,100 --> 00:02:18,366 "Groundbreakers" was made possible, in part, 55 00:02:18,366 --> 00:02:21,566 by The WNET Groups "Chasing the Dream" initiative, 56 00:02:22,066 --> 00:02:24,733 the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, 57 00:02:25,100 --> 00:02:27,633 and by contributions to your PBS station 58 00:02:27,633 --> 00:02:29,933 from viewers like you. Thank you. 59 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,166 -I'm Billie Jean King. In my tennis career, 60 00:02:33,166 --> 00:02:35,000 I won 39 Major titles, 61 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,633 and I was the number-one tennis player 62 00:02:36,633 --> 00:02:38,500 in the world for six years. 63 00:02:38,500 --> 00:02:43,266 But I'm most proud of being a champion of equality. 64 00:02:43,266 --> 00:02:45,266 Equality isn't only about the money. 65 00:02:45,266 --> 00:02:47,733 It's also about the message. 66 00:02:47,733 --> 00:02:52,466 It's essential that all genders are treated as equals 67 00:02:52,466 --> 00:02:54,566 and that we all have the same amount 68 00:02:54,566 --> 00:02:58,400 of societal respect, access and power. 69 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,900 More than 50 years ago, the United States 70 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:02,400 passed a landmark piece 71 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,333 of legislation called Title IX. 72 00:03:05,333 --> 00:03:08,633 It was a major step towards guaranteeing the equality 73 00:03:08,633 --> 00:03:12,566 for all that is promised in the Constitution. 74 00:03:12,566 --> 00:03:14,833 Title IX changed everyday life 75 00:03:14,833 --> 00:03:16,666 for women in the U.S. 76 00:03:16,666 --> 00:03:18,800 It created educational opportunities, 77 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:23,566 access to employment, sports, scholarships, 78 00:03:23,566 --> 00:03:27,633 and activities that had previously been denied to women. 79 00:03:27,633 --> 00:03:30,800 It created a path to equality, 80 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,566 the kind of equality I definitely didn't have 81 00:03:33,566 --> 00:03:37,633 access to as a child growing up without Title IX protections. 82 00:03:37,633 --> 00:03:40,300 When I was a child, women were not encouraged 83 00:03:40,300 --> 00:03:42,366 to play sports or pursue a career. 84 00:03:42,366 --> 00:03:45,466 But more than that, women couldn't even 85 00:03:45,466 --> 00:03:48,633 get a credit card, serve on a jury, 86 00:03:48,633 --> 00:03:50,800 fight sexual harassment, 87 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,500 or in some cases, even fight sexual assault. 88 00:03:54,500 --> 00:03:56,366 Women were treated 89 00:03:56,366 --> 00:03:58,300 as second-class citizens. 90 00:03:58,300 --> 00:04:02,433 This one piece of legislation gave women legal protections 91 00:04:02,433 --> 00:04:06,466 and made an impact that has rippled through society, 92 00:04:06,466 --> 00:04:10,600 improving lives for over 50 years. 93 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,866 The fight for equality is my enduring legacy, 94 00:04:14,866 --> 00:04:18,533 and I know that sharing our stories is the only way 95 00:04:18,533 --> 00:04:22,400 we will continue to build on one another's successes. 96 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,866 I invited Jackie Joyner-Kersee, 97 00:04:24,866 --> 00:04:28,700 Naomi Osaka, Nancy Lieberman, 98 00:04:28,700 --> 00:04:32,966 Chloe Kim, Diana Flores, 99 00:04:32,966 --> 00:04:36,433 Julie Foudy, and Suni Lee 100 00:04:36,433 --> 00:04:40,766 to team up for a series of one-on-one conversations. 101 00:04:40,766 --> 00:04:42,900 From one generation to the next, 102 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:46,766 these women are leaders who are continuing the fight, 103 00:04:46,766 --> 00:04:49,966 and their personal experiences can teach us all 104 00:04:49,966 --> 00:04:54,033 about the ongoing pursuit of equality. 105 00:04:54,033 --> 00:04:57,300 Let me tell you about Diana Flores. 106 00:04:57,300 --> 00:04:59,033 I met Diana filming 107 00:04:59,033 --> 00:05:02,100 the 2023 Super Bowl commercial for the NFL. 108 00:05:02,100 --> 00:05:04,100 -♪ Rock with me, all my girls with me ♪ 109 00:05:04,100 --> 00:05:06,666 ♪♪ 110 00:05:06,666 --> 00:05:08,800 -[Billie] At 24 years old, 111 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,600 Diana is the face of flag football. 112 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,866 And with the support of the NFL 113 00:05:14,866 --> 00:05:18,100 and the International Federation of American Football, 114 00:05:18,100 --> 00:05:21,766 Diana is actively campaigning for flag football 115 00:05:21,766 --> 00:05:25,433 to be played at the 2028 Olympics. 116 00:05:25,433 --> 00:05:26,933 [ Upbeat music ] 117 00:05:26,933 --> 00:05:28,800 I asked Diana to meet with me 118 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,966 because she is doing for flag football 119 00:05:30,966 --> 00:05:33,333 what we did for tennis, 120 00:05:33,333 --> 00:05:36,633 making space for women in a sport dominated by men. 121 00:05:36,633 --> 00:05:39,900 [ Upbeat music ] 122 00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:44,366 -Hi! -Yay! How are you? 123 00:05:44,366 --> 00:05:46,933 -I'm good, how are you? -It's great to see you. 124 00:05:46,933 --> 00:05:48,800 -I'm so happy to see you. 125 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,466 -Great to see you. -[ Chuckles ] 126 00:05:50,466 --> 00:05:51,866 -A long trip? 127 00:05:51,866 --> 00:05:53,133 Where are you living? Are you in Mexico? 128 00:05:53,133 --> 00:05:54,633 -Yes, I live in Mexico City. 129 00:05:54,633 --> 00:05:56,100 So I am happy to be... -Still? 130 00:05:56,100 --> 00:05:57,600 -To be here with you. 131 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,933 I am working on some things 132 00:05:59,933 --> 00:06:02,533 in Mexico for my sport. 133 00:06:02,533 --> 00:06:04,200 Um, I'm working with 134 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,033 the International American Football Federation, also, 135 00:06:07,033 --> 00:06:09,166 to keep growing the sport, not only in the States but... 136 00:06:09,166 --> 00:06:10,833 -They run the flag football, right? 137 00:06:10,833 --> 00:06:14,000 -Yes, with the NFL, IFF, so it has been... 138 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,866 -NFL's doing well, I hope? -Yes, so... 139 00:06:16,866 --> 00:06:19,933 -They got the power, baby. -Yes! They are really 140 00:06:19,933 --> 00:06:21,733 pushing the sport forward, 141 00:06:21,733 --> 00:06:23,700 so it is a great time for us. 142 00:06:23,700 --> 00:06:26,066 -That's great, well, I think what you've done also 143 00:06:26,066 --> 00:06:29,033 is help, you know, get it going more forward, 144 00:06:29,033 --> 00:06:31,433 getting the interest, you know, they're interested in you, 145 00:06:31,433 --> 00:06:33,100 then they get interested in the sport. 146 00:06:33,100 --> 00:06:36,600 -I've received a lot of messages from girls saying, 147 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,100 "Oh, I didn't know I could play that sport. 148 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:43,066 Now I'm gonna try to find a team nearby my town." 149 00:06:43,066 --> 00:06:45,566 Other girls saying, "I used to play flag football, 150 00:06:45,566 --> 00:06:48,766 but my parents said that it was a men's sport, 151 00:06:48,766 --> 00:06:51,866 and now my parents changed their mind." 152 00:06:51,866 --> 00:06:53,700 -Because you have to see it to be it sometimes. 153 00:06:53,700 --> 00:06:56,666 -You're right. For me, the biggest thing 154 00:06:56,666 --> 00:06:59,433 and the most amazing thing has been to see the impact 155 00:06:59,433 --> 00:07:02,566 it has had, not only in women and girls 156 00:07:02,566 --> 00:07:04,666 from the States, Mexico, 157 00:07:04,666 --> 00:07:06,466 for all over the world. 158 00:07:06,466 --> 00:07:08,666 -[Billie] With more than a half a million participants, 159 00:07:08,666 --> 00:07:11,666 flag football is one of the fastest-growing sports 160 00:07:11,666 --> 00:07:13,900 in the United States -- specifically growing 161 00:07:13,900 --> 00:07:16,766 its popularity with girls and young women. 162 00:07:16,766 --> 00:07:19,633 -[Diana] I started when I was really young, 163 00:07:19,633 --> 00:07:22,133 at the age of eight, and... 164 00:07:22,133 --> 00:07:23,566 -With your dad -- got you, right? 165 00:07:23,566 --> 00:07:24,833 -Yes, because of my dad. 166 00:07:24,833 --> 00:07:28,500 My dad used to play American football 167 00:07:28,500 --> 00:07:31,566 and he introduced me to this amazing world. 168 00:07:31,566 --> 00:07:34,500 He brought me to my first flag football practice. 169 00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:36,666 -[Billie] We got very blessed 170 00:07:36,666 --> 00:07:39,133 to have the parents we have, I think made the difference. 171 00:07:39,133 --> 00:07:42,900 My dad played catch with me when I was three, four, five. 172 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:45,733 I wanted him to get me a bat, and he wouldn't get me a bat. 173 00:07:45,733 --> 00:07:47,233 He was a firefighter, we didn't have that much money. 174 00:07:47,233 --> 00:07:49,133 It was tight all the time. 175 00:07:49,133 --> 00:07:50,733 And the same thing happened with my tennis racket. 176 00:07:50,733 --> 00:07:52,166 He wouldn't buy me a tennis racket. 177 00:07:52,166 --> 00:07:53,800 He said, "You want to play? 178 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,233 Then you find a way to get your first racket." 179 00:07:55,233 --> 00:07:56,900 And so I went to the neighbors -- 180 00:07:56,900 --> 00:07:58,733 thank you, neighbors. 181 00:07:58,733 --> 00:08:02,000 And they were so sweet to me, they felt so sorry for me. 182 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,166 Th-They ma-- They made up these jobs, 183 00:08:04,166 --> 00:08:05,800 you know, these pseudo jobs. 184 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,233 -Uh-huh. -And then I had 185 00:08:07,233 --> 00:08:11,033 my $8.29 in the Mason jar up in the cupboard. 186 00:08:11,033 --> 00:08:13,800 Got an $8-- $8.29 racket. 187 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,733 I went out to the park, I'd only been on 188 00:08:15,733 --> 00:08:18,500 the court twice, and I knew what I wanted. 189 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:20,300 I wanted to be number one in the world. 190 00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:22,866 [ Upbeat music ] 191 00:08:22,866 --> 00:08:27,833 I truly believed that if I was number one in the world, 192 00:08:27,833 --> 00:08:31,966 people in power would listen to my pleas for equality, 193 00:08:31,966 --> 00:08:33,866 and I could use my voice 194 00:08:33,866 --> 00:08:37,533 to make the world a better place for everyone. 195 00:08:37,533 --> 00:08:38,900 [ Upbeat music ] 196 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:40,633 Two-time Olympic gold medalist 197 00:08:40,633 --> 00:08:43,700 and two-time World Cup champion Julie Foudy 198 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:46,000 was co-captain of the legendary 199 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,033 1990s U.S. soccer team... 200 00:08:49,033 --> 00:08:50,566 -[Announcer] Up inside the box, 201 00:08:50,566 --> 00:08:51,900 and the keeper makes an error there. 202 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:53,700 Chastain, missed. 203 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:56,200 Header goal! Foudy, 2-0 U.S... 204 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,466 [ Crowd cheering ] 205 00:09:01,366 --> 00:09:03,233 -[Billie] ...making it a mainstream sport. 206 00:09:04,900 --> 00:09:08,133 I asked Julie to meet with Olympian Suni Lee, 207 00:09:08,133 --> 00:09:11,366 the gymnastics phenom, who was also the first 208 00:09:11,366 --> 00:09:14,866 Hmong-American to win a gold medal at the Olympics. 209 00:09:14,866 --> 00:09:16,366 [ Upbeat music ] 210 00:09:16,366 --> 00:09:18,200 -[Julie] Whoa, look at this place. 211 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,433 Suni! -Hi. 212 00:09:19,433 --> 00:09:20,866 [ Both chuckling ] 213 00:09:20,866 --> 00:09:22,366 -Hi! -Hi, how are you? 214 00:09:22,366 --> 00:09:23,866 -Hi, hi, hi. 215 00:09:23,866 --> 00:09:25,366 Look at you in your beautiful green. 216 00:09:25,366 --> 00:09:27,200 -Thank you, you look great. 217 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,033 -When you were growing up, 218 00:09:30,033 --> 00:09:32,700 could you have pictured yourself 219 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:34,133 in a packed gym of, you know, 220 00:09:34,133 --> 00:09:38,133 15,000 people roaring for you in college? 221 00:09:38,133 --> 00:09:39,933 Did you even have that vision? 222 00:09:39,933 --> 00:09:42,700 -I always just envisioned myself, 223 00:09:42,700 --> 00:09:44,900 like, at the Olympics, really. 224 00:09:44,900 --> 00:09:46,900 Like, in a really big stadium, like, 225 00:09:46,900 --> 00:09:49,033 with the spotlight, like, on the beam. 226 00:09:49,033 --> 00:09:52,233 -So just watching you guys do the beam, full disclosure, 227 00:09:52,233 --> 00:09:55,766 I have a lot of anxiety watching it, I'm like... [ Mock gasping ] 228 00:09:55,766 --> 00:09:57,700 -You know, every time people say they're scared of it, 229 00:09:57,700 --> 00:09:59,233 I always tell them, if you can do it on the floor, 230 00:09:59,233 --> 00:10:00,633 you can do it on the beam. -Oh, really? 231 00:10:00,633 --> 00:10:02,633 -You just gotta get past the... 232 00:10:02,633 --> 00:10:03,900 -Four inches, and you shouldn't 233 00:10:03,900 --> 00:10:05,766 be on a beam four inches. 234 00:10:05,766 --> 00:10:07,633 Why couldn't they've made it, like, eight inches? 235 00:10:07,633 --> 00:10:09,766 That would make more sense. Like, give us a plank-- 236 00:10:09,766 --> 00:10:11,600 -Then it wouldn't be as fun. -It's still a plank, 237 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:12,866 it's like you're walking the plank. 238 00:10:12,866 --> 00:10:14,100 It's just a little wider. 239 00:10:14,100 --> 00:10:15,366 -It wouldn't be as fun. -Safer? 240 00:10:15,366 --> 00:10:17,800 No? Ugh, no, I couldn't do it. 241 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,200 Suni, I understand you were the first Hmong-American 242 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,066 to go to the Olympics? 243 00:10:24,066 --> 00:10:25,366 -Mm-hmm. -Is that right? 244 00:10:25,366 --> 00:10:27,033 -Yes, I was. -So that means 245 00:10:27,033 --> 00:10:28,900 you're also the first Hmong-American to win... 246 00:10:28,900 --> 00:10:31,033 -To win in the Olympics. -Yes! 247 00:10:31,033 --> 00:10:33,200 That's crazy. 248 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,866 -I know, and like, my parents have been really supportive too, 249 00:10:36,866 --> 00:10:41,766 about it, because normally in, like, our tradition, 250 00:10:41,766 --> 00:10:44,066 I guess, it's, like, the girl is, like, 251 00:10:44,066 --> 00:10:45,966 grown to be, like, this wife, 252 00:10:45,966 --> 00:10:47,866 and, like, she's very, like, put together, 253 00:10:47,866 --> 00:10:50,366 cleans the house, like, does all of that stuff... 254 00:10:50,366 --> 00:10:51,900 -No competing in Olympics. 255 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:54,800 -No, and it's incredible to see, 256 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,366 like, the changes that have happened since 257 00:10:57,366 --> 00:10:58,933 I've won the Olympics and... 258 00:10:58,933 --> 00:11:01,100 -Really, how so? -Yes. 259 00:11:01,100 --> 00:11:02,933 I mean, people will come up to me all the time, 260 00:11:02,933 --> 00:11:05,100 and they're like, "Because of you, like, 261 00:11:05,100 --> 00:11:07,366 my parents have, like, pushed me to follow my dreams." 262 00:11:07,366 --> 00:11:09,200 -Aww! -And I'm like, 263 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,933 th-that's incredible to see because... 264 00:11:10,933 --> 00:11:13,200 -Yeah. -When I was, like, younger, 265 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,266 I never really had, like, any Asian, like, representation, 266 00:11:16,266 --> 00:11:18,933 like, that I could, like, look up to, and be like, 267 00:11:18,933 --> 00:11:20,433 oh, like, I wanna be like her. 268 00:11:20,433 --> 00:11:22,033 -Mm-hmm. -And so for people 269 00:11:22,033 --> 00:11:23,833 to come up to me and say, "I want to be like you, 270 00:11:23,833 --> 00:11:27,266 and my parents are pushing me to be in sports 271 00:11:27,266 --> 00:11:30,100 and to follow our dreams," like, it's incredible. 272 00:11:30,100 --> 00:11:31,333 -And it makes a difference. 273 00:11:31,333 --> 00:11:32,933 -Speaking of changes, 274 00:11:32,933 --> 00:11:34,866 tell me more about, like, the fight. 275 00:11:34,866 --> 00:11:36,433 -Oh, you wanna to go all the way back to the '90s? 276 00:11:36,433 --> 00:11:38,333 -Yeah, I do... -Oh, gosh, Suni, 277 00:11:38,333 --> 00:11:39,933 you weren't even alive. 278 00:11:39,933 --> 00:11:41,766 -[ Laughs ] -Um, 279 00:11:41,766 --> 00:11:44,100 when we got on the national team, 280 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:46,300 Mia Hamm, you might have heard of. 281 00:11:46,300 --> 00:11:47,933 -Mm-hmm. -Kristine Lilly, 282 00:11:47,933 --> 00:11:49,700 Brandy Chastain. 283 00:11:49,700 --> 00:11:53,000 Back then, Mia was 15, I was 16 years old. 284 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,433 -Wow. -So, I know for 285 00:11:54,433 --> 00:11:56,433 the gymnastics world that's pretty common 286 00:11:56,433 --> 00:11:58,433 but not so much for the soccer world. 287 00:11:58,433 --> 00:11:59,966 -Oh, really? -So we were that 288 00:11:59,966 --> 00:12:02,000 first generation of soccer players that 289 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,266 came through that were, 290 00:12:03,266 --> 00:12:05,033 hey, why aren't we in a World Cup? 291 00:12:05,033 --> 00:12:07,166 And there was no women's World Cup at the time. 292 00:12:07,166 --> 00:12:09,066 There was no women's soccer in the Olympics. 293 00:12:09,066 --> 00:12:11,866 Men had been playing the World Cup since the '30s, 294 00:12:11,866 --> 00:12:14,833 and we had to fight to get 295 00:12:14,833 --> 00:12:17,066 the first ever Women's World Cup. 296 00:12:17,066 --> 00:12:18,900 And, fun fact, technically, 297 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:20,400 FIFA didn't want to share 298 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,166 the Men's World Cup name competition, I guess. 299 00:12:24,166 --> 00:12:26,900 And so it was called the M&M Cup. 300 00:12:26,900 --> 00:12:29,000 -Wow. -First World Cup 301 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,200 for women was in 1991. 302 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,733 -[Billie] In November 1991, 303 00:12:34,733 --> 00:12:37,400 18 eager young American women 304 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,066 flew to southern China to represent the United States 305 00:12:41,066 --> 00:12:44,866 in the inaugural Women's World Cup. 306 00:12:44,866 --> 00:12:46,433 To everyone's surprise, 307 00:12:46,433 --> 00:12:50,166 the U.S. team kept winning match after match, 308 00:12:50,166 --> 00:12:52,200 beating powerhouse soccer countries 309 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,366 like Germany, Sweden, and Norway. 310 00:12:55,366 --> 00:12:59,000 The Americans started to be known for their scrappy, 311 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,300 untraditional approach to the game. 312 00:13:02,300 --> 00:13:05,800 And after playing teams from 12 different countries, 313 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,400 the United States emerged victorious, 314 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,066 winning the World Cup, 315 00:13:10,066 --> 00:13:12,100 and establishing themselves 316 00:13:12,100 --> 00:13:14,233 as a force in soccer. 317 00:13:14,233 --> 00:13:17,900 The world celebrated America's incredible achievement, 318 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:20,233 but it seemed news of the success 319 00:13:20,233 --> 00:13:23,066 didn't quite make it home to America. 320 00:13:23,066 --> 00:13:25,233 -So after all of that, like, how did things change? 321 00:13:25,233 --> 00:13:27,400 -When we got home -- we won it, mind you, 322 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,566 we got home to the United States 323 00:13:29,566 --> 00:13:32,233 and we were like, "This is gonna change everything! 324 00:13:32,233 --> 00:13:34,400 Everyone's going to be so excited about women's soccer, 325 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,100 about soccer in general in this country," 326 00:13:37,100 --> 00:13:40,133 and there were literally 327 00:13:40,133 --> 00:13:42,500 three people at the airport to greet us... 328 00:13:42,500 --> 00:13:44,333 -No! -And no one knew about it. 329 00:13:44,333 --> 00:13:47,566 It wasn't on TV, it was pre social media, of course. 330 00:13:47,566 --> 00:13:49,566 I was in college, and I literally 331 00:13:49,566 --> 00:13:51,966 got back to school, and the professor was like, 332 00:13:51,966 --> 00:13:53,500 "Where have you been? 333 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:55,900 You've missed this final and this final." 334 00:13:55,900 --> 00:13:57,833 I was like, I told you I was going to this thing 335 00:13:57,833 --> 00:13:59,166 called the World Cup. 336 00:13:59,166 --> 00:14:01,000 So, needless to say, 337 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,000 we did not change soccer in this country. 338 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,366 No one knew about it, then the first ever 339 00:14:06,366 --> 00:14:08,133 women's soccer in the Olympics 340 00:14:08,133 --> 00:14:10,033 actually happened in Atlanta in 1996. 341 00:14:10,033 --> 00:14:12,000 -Wow, oh, my gosh. -Yeah. 342 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,566 And the '96 Olympics was amazing 343 00:14:14,566 --> 00:14:16,966 because, one, you're in the Olympics. 344 00:14:16,966 --> 00:14:18,333 Two, it's the first time women's soccer's 345 00:14:18,333 --> 00:14:19,633 ever been in the Olympics. 346 00:14:19,633 --> 00:14:21,533 But three, really, 347 00:14:21,533 --> 00:14:25,066 it was ultra amazing because you were in your home country, 348 00:14:25,066 --> 00:14:28,200 and so, literally, wherever you went, people went nuts. 349 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,333 Me and my teammates were on a plane heading to Atlanta, 350 00:14:30,333 --> 00:14:32,366 and this is how America responds 351 00:14:32,366 --> 00:14:33,966 when they know you're the Olympic team. 352 00:14:33,966 --> 00:14:36,500 The entire plane literally stood up 353 00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:39,033 and started singing the national anthem to us. 354 00:14:39,033 --> 00:14:41,300 -That's amazing. 355 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:43,466 -[Billie] Nancy Lieberman is a pioneer 356 00:14:43,466 --> 00:14:45,633 in women's basketball with a career 357 00:14:45,633 --> 00:14:49,366 that has spanned five decades. 358 00:14:49,366 --> 00:14:51,300 Growing up in Queens, New York, 359 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:54,300 Nancy fell in love with basketball 360 00:14:54,300 --> 00:14:56,066 while still in high school. 361 00:14:56,066 --> 00:14:58,866 At only 17, Lieberman made 362 00:14:58,866 --> 00:15:00,533 the U.S. women's basketball team, 363 00:15:00,533 --> 00:15:03,700 winning a gold medal at the Pan American Games 364 00:15:03,700 --> 00:15:07,566 and a silver medal at the 1976 Olympics. 365 00:15:07,566 --> 00:15:09,300 She went on to play eight years 366 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:11,700 in the Women's Professional Basketball League. 367 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:13,366 -If somebody came up to me today and said, 368 00:15:13,366 --> 00:15:15,100 you know, "Are you a good basketball player?" 369 00:15:15,100 --> 00:15:17,200 And I'd say, "No, 370 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,366 I'm a great basketball player." 371 00:15:19,366 --> 00:15:23,033 -[Billie] Then, at age 38, Nancy was the oldest player 372 00:15:23,033 --> 00:15:26,900 drafted into the inaugural season of the WNBA. 373 00:15:28,066 --> 00:15:30,533 12 years later, she broke her own record 374 00:15:30,533 --> 00:15:34,400 when she signed a seven-day WNBA contract 375 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,533 and played for the Detroit Shock. 376 00:15:36,533 --> 00:15:39,133 At age 50, Lieberman coached 377 00:15:39,133 --> 00:15:42,533 in the WNBA before becoming the second ever woman 378 00:15:42,533 --> 00:15:45,700 to join the coaching staff of a men's professional team, 379 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:47,266 the Sacramento Kings. 380 00:15:47,266 --> 00:15:48,933 -[Nancy] We have a mantra. 381 00:15:48,933 --> 00:15:51,700 All the teams that I've ever coached or been around: 382 00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:55,566 no excuses, no explanations. 383 00:15:55,566 --> 00:15:58,200 Alright, can you guys get my good side? 384 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,266 -[Billie] I asked Nancy to meet with Chloe Kim, 385 00:16:01,266 --> 00:16:03,000 a two-time Olympic gold medalist 386 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,100 and the first athlete, male or female, 387 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:09,633 to take home all four major snowboarding titles, 388 00:16:09,633 --> 00:16:11,100 including the Olympics, 389 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:12,633 the World Championships, 390 00:16:12,633 --> 00:16:15,633 the Youth Olympics, and the X Games. 391 00:16:15,633 --> 00:16:17,466 -There you are. 392 00:16:17,466 --> 00:16:19,266 -Hello, we meet again. 393 00:16:19,266 --> 00:16:22,033 -We meet again. Oh, this outfit is giving. 394 00:16:22,033 --> 00:16:24,266 -How are you? -Good. 395 00:16:24,266 --> 00:16:27,600 I'm dying to know what gave you the confidence 396 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,766 to do something that's never really been done before. 397 00:16:30,766 --> 00:16:34,200 To be the first, I mean, I feel like I've kind of been 398 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,466 the first at a couple of things, but you really paved the way 399 00:16:37,466 --> 00:16:39,166 for women in sports, 400 00:16:39,166 --> 00:16:41,866 and you're a pioneer yourself in so many ways. 401 00:16:41,866 --> 00:16:43,600 So I'm curious to know. 402 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,600 -For me to say, I knew I was a pioneer and I knew -- 403 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,766 I-I had no clue. 404 00:16:48,766 --> 00:16:52,200 I played sports, I needed it. 405 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,466 I needed it because of what was going on in my house. 406 00:16:55,466 --> 00:16:57,000 We had no food, 407 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,500 I had no father, no electricity. 408 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:02,266 We were one grandparent away from food stamps. 409 00:17:02,266 --> 00:17:06,533 I was so broken, that I needed something to occupy my mind. 410 00:17:06,533 --> 00:17:09,066 I was mad because people were demeaning me, 411 00:17:09,066 --> 00:17:11,666 saying, "What's this little redheaded little Jewish girl 412 00:17:11,666 --> 00:17:14,100 doing playing in the schoolyard?" 413 00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:16,166 My grandma used to say to me, 414 00:17:16,166 --> 00:17:18,100 "Walk like a girl. 415 00:17:18,100 --> 00:17:20,166 Your shoulders back," you know? 416 00:17:20,166 --> 00:17:22,200 And then the kids on the court would say, 417 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,833 "Act like a boy." 418 00:17:23,833 --> 00:17:26,533 And I was so conflicted, you know what I mean? 419 00:17:26,533 --> 00:17:28,266 Like, my shoulders were rounded. 420 00:17:28,266 --> 00:17:29,666 I'd walk in, my grandma would say, 421 00:17:29,666 --> 00:17:31,366 "Act like a girl. Okay." 422 00:17:31,366 --> 00:17:34,333 And it's like, when people tell your mother, 423 00:17:34,333 --> 00:17:35,833 "What's wrong with your daughter? 424 00:17:35,833 --> 00:17:38,666 Maybe you should take her to a psychologist." 425 00:17:38,666 --> 00:17:40,600 You're like, I mean, are you kidding me? 426 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,833 I'm not robbing people. 427 00:17:42,833 --> 00:17:44,500 I'm not carjacking people. 428 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:47,500 I'm not in a gang. I'm playing sports. 429 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:50,333 -I would be really angry, too, if I were in your position. 430 00:17:50,333 --> 00:17:53,500 Like, basically being told to be someone that you're not, 431 00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:55,400 that's very frustrating. 432 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,500 -[Nancy] I didn't play basketball to be an Olympian. 433 00:17:58,500 --> 00:18:00,566 I didn't play to be a Hall of Famer 434 00:18:00,566 --> 00:18:02,566 or a groundbreaker 435 00:18:02,566 --> 00:18:04,800 or whatever the heck they say that I've done. 436 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,900 I needed it. 437 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:11,266 And all those other things were a byproduct of hard work 438 00:18:11,266 --> 00:18:13,566 and grind and opportunity. 439 00:18:13,566 --> 00:18:15,800 -That is interesting that, you know, for you, 440 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:20,433 that Olympic dream that a lot of athletes pursue, 441 00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:23,466 that wasn't a goal of yours, because it wasn't there. 442 00:18:23,466 --> 00:18:24,766 But for me, it was there. 443 00:18:24,766 --> 00:18:26,766 -On the '76 Olympic team, 444 00:18:26,766 --> 00:18:28,833 that was the first time women's basketball 445 00:18:28,833 --> 00:18:30,400 was ever an Olympic sport. 446 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,400 -Wow. -I was 14 years old 447 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,333 when I went to my first U.S. tryout, 448 00:18:34,333 --> 00:18:36,433 and I was like... 449 00:18:36,433 --> 00:18:39,566 Chloe, I swear to God, I walked in the gym 450 00:18:39,566 --> 00:18:42,766 at Queen's College, and there were 250 girls. 451 00:18:42,766 --> 00:18:45,233 I don't think I've ever told this to anybody. 452 00:18:45,233 --> 00:18:46,633 I stood in the gym, and they pinned 453 00:18:46,633 --> 00:18:48,900 the number on me and I just went, 454 00:18:48,900 --> 00:18:50,566 I'm not sick. 455 00:18:50,566 --> 00:18:52,466 There's nothing wrong with me. 456 00:18:52,466 --> 00:18:55,400 There's 250 other people here, girls. 457 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,300 -Wow. -And I couldn't wait 458 00:18:57,300 --> 00:18:59,400 that night to go home and tell my mother, 459 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,300 I'm so tired of people telling me what I'm not. 460 00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:04,700 -That's incredible. 461 00:19:04,700 --> 00:19:06,966 You have had such a remarkable career. 462 00:19:06,966 --> 00:19:09,866 Like, what does it mean to you to be the first? 463 00:19:09,866 --> 00:19:12,200 -It changed everything for everybody. 464 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,966 -Right. -It had never been done. 465 00:19:13,966 --> 00:19:18,233 A high school player had never made a USA team, 466 00:19:18,233 --> 00:19:20,233 much less an Olympic team. 467 00:19:20,233 --> 00:19:23,466 I knew I had the pressure, 468 00:19:23,466 --> 00:19:27,300 if you will, of being kind of the face of my sport. 469 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:30,966 You had the pressure of being 470 00:19:30,966 --> 00:19:33,966 the face of your sport at, you know, 13, 14, 15. 471 00:19:33,966 --> 00:19:36,633 Same thing with myself, and I remember 472 00:19:36,633 --> 00:19:39,700 at the '76 Olympics, we win the silver. 473 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:40,966 You know, you get up on that podium, 474 00:19:40,966 --> 00:19:42,500 you've seen it a million times. 475 00:19:42,500 --> 00:19:44,400 You bend over, they put that medal 476 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,200 around your neck, you know, and you're just -- 477 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,700 you see the American flag, and all your family. 478 00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:53,733 And I realized, wow, maybe I really have had 479 00:19:53,733 --> 00:19:57,300 an impact as a woman in sports. 480 00:19:57,300 --> 00:20:00,233 Like, when I look back and even talk to my teammates now 481 00:20:00,233 --> 00:20:03,866 is, can you believe that we were the first? 482 00:20:03,866 --> 00:20:05,300 -First.  -Thefirst. 483 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:06,733 -Really the first. 484 00:20:06,733 --> 00:20:08,800 Every story you're telling, I'm like, wow. 485 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,933 Inspiration, inspiration, inspiration. 486 00:20:11,966 --> 00:20:13,500 -[Billie] Jackie Joyner-Kersee 487 00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:15,466 has been called the greatest female 488 00:20:15,466 --> 00:20:17,633 all-around athlete in history. 489 00:20:17,633 --> 00:20:19,400 Her hard work and natural talent 490 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,400 in track & field earned her 491 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,633 three golds, one silver, 492 00:20:23,633 --> 00:20:25,833 and two bronze Olympic medals. 493 00:20:25,833 --> 00:20:27,566 "Sports Illustrated" even 494 00:20:27,566 --> 00:20:29,300 celebrated her with its cover, 495 00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:31,200 captioned, "Super Woman." 496 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,833 -I'm not trying to tell you to be Olympic athletes, 497 00:20:33,833 --> 00:20:37,566 but I'm also not telling you not to dare to dream. 498 00:20:37,566 --> 00:20:40,500 -[Billie] After 30 years, Joyner-Kersee still 499 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:43,800 holds the world record in the heptathlon, 500 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,833 which she set at the 1988 Olympics. 501 00:20:46,833 --> 00:20:48,633 -You know, if you work hard in life, 502 00:20:48,633 --> 00:20:51,500 you know, the impossible, you know, is possible. 503 00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:54,633 -[Billie] I wanted Jackie to sit with Naomi Osaka, 504 00:20:54,633 --> 00:20:56,466 the Japanese tennis pro 505 00:20:56,466 --> 00:20:58,633 who has been ranked number one in the world, 506 00:20:58,633 --> 00:21:00,400 and won four Grand Slams -- 507 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,900 two Australian Opens, and two U.S. Opens. 508 00:21:03,900 --> 00:21:07,533 Naomi has not only become a global fashion icon, 509 00:21:07,533 --> 00:21:08,866 but she has also been a voice 510 00:21:08,866 --> 00:21:11,866 for justice and social change. 511 00:21:11,866 --> 00:21:13,533 -How you doing? -Good. 512 00:21:13,533 --> 00:21:15,533 [ Indistinct muttering ] 513 00:21:15,533 --> 00:21:16,900 -How you feeling? 514 00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:18,366 -I'm feeling good. -Good. 515 00:21:18,366 --> 00:21:19,933 -How are you feeling? 516 00:21:19,933 --> 00:21:21,766 -Love the sunshine, I'm out here. 517 00:21:21,766 --> 00:21:23,700 I'm feeling good, though, you know? 518 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:25,366 -That's good. 519 00:21:25,366 --> 00:21:26,866 Can I ask you a question? -Mm-hmm. 520 00:21:26,866 --> 00:21:28,966 -When did you realize 521 00:21:28,966 --> 00:21:31,566 you fell in love with your sport? 522 00:21:31,566 --> 00:21:33,266 -I started running at the age of nine. 523 00:21:33,266 --> 00:21:34,533 -Mm-hmm. -And I wasn't 524 00:21:34,533 --> 00:21:36,033 one of the best girls. 525 00:21:36,033 --> 00:21:37,766 -Were you running, like, for fun or like... 526 00:21:37,766 --> 00:21:39,433 -For fun. -Oh, okay. 527 00:21:39,433 --> 00:21:41,366 -And I loved it. 528 00:21:41,366 --> 00:21:44,266 I went to my first track meet, I finished last, 529 00:21:44,266 --> 00:21:46,033 and I said to myself, if I can improve 530 00:21:46,033 --> 00:21:48,033 a tenth of a second if I was running, 531 00:21:48,033 --> 00:21:50,433 a half of an inch if I was jumping, 532 00:21:50,433 --> 00:21:52,433 that meant the work that we were doing was paying off. 533 00:21:52,433 --> 00:21:54,033 -Mmm. -I didn't have a track, 534 00:21:54,033 --> 00:21:55,400 didn't even know what a track looked like. 535 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,266 Ran in the park. 536 00:21:57,266 --> 00:22:00,600 The coach told us that one lap around was 400 meters, 537 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,966 and I could never complete one lap, you know? 538 00:22:03,966 --> 00:22:05,866 And I was like, wow, I must not be good. 539 00:22:05,866 --> 00:22:08,366 But when I got older, I realized it was 1,200 meters. 540 00:22:08,366 --> 00:22:10,333 That's why I couldn't go one lap around. 541 00:22:10,333 --> 00:22:11,766 [ Laughter ] 542 00:22:11,766 --> 00:22:13,433 So -- But the biggest thing 543 00:22:13,433 --> 00:22:15,533 was I enjoyed it, I had fun. 544 00:22:15,533 --> 00:22:17,466 It didn't matter where I finished. 545 00:22:17,466 --> 00:22:19,700 And even though, like, fourth place, fifth place, 546 00:22:19,700 --> 00:22:22,333 we got all these different color ribbons. 547 00:22:22,333 --> 00:22:25,533 And then I realized the top three got hardware. 548 00:22:25,533 --> 00:22:26,933 And I was like, well, I gotta learn how to be 549 00:22:26,933 --> 00:22:28,800 in the top three, not knowing the top three 550 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,333 would make national teams and Olympic teams. 551 00:22:31,333 --> 00:22:33,500 And that's how it started with me. 552 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:36,366 But the most important thing that I said I could never lose 553 00:22:36,366 --> 00:22:38,500 was not having fun. 554 00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:40,966 I enjoyed it, I enjoyed showing up. 555 00:22:40,966 --> 00:22:43,100 Living, you know, in East St. Louis 556 00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:45,433 in the Midwest of the country, 557 00:22:45,433 --> 00:22:48,433 and it's 102 degrees out there. 558 00:22:48,433 --> 00:22:49,766 I'm out there every summer. 559 00:22:49,766 --> 00:22:51,100 Like, no, I'm not hot. 560 00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:53,466 [ Laughter ] 561 00:22:53,466 --> 00:22:56,933 -For me, I really love watching track athletes 562 00:22:56,933 --> 00:23:00,933 because I feel like you guys are like 563 00:23:00,933 --> 00:23:02,600 an athlete, you know what I mean? 564 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,500 Like, I just remember being super young 565 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:07,700 and watching the Olympics and the track & field athletes 566 00:23:07,700 --> 00:23:10,700 in the Olympics were, like, the best event. 567 00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:12,833 So I just loved sitting in front of the TV 568 00:23:12,833 --> 00:23:14,500 and watching you guys run. 569 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:16,000 -I mean, there's so many things we could talk 570 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,700 about in your space, tennis. 571 00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:20,666 When you talk about the equal pay, 572 00:23:20,666 --> 00:23:23,833 and you all have really been strong leaders 573 00:23:23,833 --> 00:23:25,933 in making sure that the prize money 574 00:23:25,933 --> 00:23:29,000 is the same for the women as it is for the men. 575 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,000 You know, because I know what 576 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,833 Billie Jean has done has done over the years, 577 00:23:32,833 --> 00:23:35,533 and then the Williams sisters, and then now. 578 00:23:35,533 --> 00:23:37,733 -You know, knowing the history behind tennis 579 00:23:37,733 --> 00:23:39,833 and the fight for equal pay, 580 00:23:39,833 --> 00:23:42,533 and just seeing how it's the forefront of it 581 00:23:42,533 --> 00:23:44,566 and, you know, seeing Billie Jean King 582 00:23:44,566 --> 00:23:47,700 fight for equal pay, and the fight is never over. 583 00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:49,866 -No. -Um, and I've learned 584 00:23:49,866 --> 00:23:51,933 so much about Patsy Mink. -Yeah. 585 00:23:51,933 --> 00:23:54,866 -And how much incredible work that she did. 586 00:23:54,866 --> 00:23:57,533 There's a lot of people fighting fights for us 587 00:23:57,533 --> 00:23:59,166 that we don't even know about. 588 00:23:59,166 --> 00:24:01,100 -In the 1960s, 589 00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:03,666 the Civil Rights Movement was thriving. 590 00:24:03,666 --> 00:24:06,100 The Civil Rights Act of 1964 591 00:24:06,100 --> 00:24:10,900 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 were both passed, 592 00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:12,900 expanding government protections 593 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:15,500 to citizens of all backgrounds. 594 00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:19,733 But a few brilliant people knew that more needed to be done 595 00:24:19,733 --> 00:24:24,100 to specifically advance women in all areas of society. 596 00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:26,900 Back in 1969, 597 00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:29,733 a part-time teacher at the University of Maryland 598 00:24:29,733 --> 00:24:32,500 kept applying for a full-time position, 599 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:34,733 but was told she wasn't being hired because 600 00:24:34,733 --> 00:24:38,566 she came on too strong for a woman. 601 00:24:38,566 --> 00:24:40,733 Motivated by this rejection, 602 00:24:40,733 --> 00:24:42,966 Bernice Sandler researched her rights 603 00:24:42,966 --> 00:24:44,633 and found what she needed -- 604 00:24:44,633 --> 00:24:49,633 a 1967 executive order signed by President Lyndon Johnson 605 00:24:49,633 --> 00:24:53,166 that barred organizations with federal contracts 606 00:24:53,166 --> 00:24:57,166 from discriminating on the basis of sex. 607 00:24:57,166 --> 00:24:59,066 With the order in hand 608 00:24:59,066 --> 00:25:02,133 and the help of the Women's Equity Action League, 609 00:25:02,133 --> 00:25:04,800 she filed a class action complaint against 610 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,233 all universities and colleges in the country. 611 00:25:08,233 --> 00:25:12,033 In 1970, Sandler shared her experience 612 00:25:12,033 --> 00:25:13,833 with the U.S. House of Representatives' 613 00:25:13,833 --> 00:25:17,300 Edith Green's subcommittee on higher education. 614 00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:19,533 In these hearings, the foundation 615 00:25:19,533 --> 00:25:23,000 of Title IX was set, and a bill was formed. 616 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,666 In the House, the legislation was championed by Green 617 00:25:26,666 --> 00:25:30,066 and Congresswoman Patsy Takemoto Mink, 618 00:25:30,066 --> 00:25:34,200 who worked tirelessly to ensure passage of Title IX. 619 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,200 Mink knew discrimination firsthand, as well. 620 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,700 -It's always been my belief that, 621 00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:43,833 so long as any part of our society, 622 00:25:43,833 --> 00:25:47,533 uh, adheres to a sexist notion 623 00:25:47,533 --> 00:25:49,800 that men should do certain things 624 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,966 and women should do certain things, 625 00:25:51,966 --> 00:25:53,633 then we'll never be rid of 626 00:25:53,633 --> 00:25:56,700 the basic causes of sex discrimination. 627 00:25:56,700 --> 00:25:59,800 -[Billie] As a child, Mink dreamed of becoming 628 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,600 a medical doctor. 629 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,300 But after earning her undergraduate degree 630 00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:05,233 from the University of Hawaii, 631 00:26:05,233 --> 00:26:08,700 she was rejected from 20 medical schools 632 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:10,700 because of her gender. 633 00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:12,300 Mink pivoted and decided 634 00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:15,200 to pursue a law degree instead. 635 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,100 But even after earning her degree, 636 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:19,033 Patsy found it difficult to get work 637 00:26:19,033 --> 00:26:20,933 in the legal profession 638 00:26:20,933 --> 00:26:22,100 because of her status 639 00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:23,900 as a married woman. 640 00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:26,633 -It's very difficult getting into -- into school, 641 00:26:26,633 --> 00:26:28,066 and getting into the professions. 642 00:26:28,066 --> 00:26:29,900 I couldn't find a job, 643 00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:31,366 and when all of my contemporaries 644 00:26:31,366 --> 00:26:33,366 at home say, "Oh, my goodness, 645 00:26:33,366 --> 00:26:36,233 what you've done to politics at home," and, you know, 646 00:26:36,233 --> 00:26:38,366 "I wish we had never heard of Patsy Mink", 647 00:26:38,366 --> 00:26:41,366 I'll say, well, it's because of all of your attitudes 648 00:26:41,366 --> 00:26:43,266 that drove me into politics. 649 00:26:43,266 --> 00:26:46,200 If you'd given me a job when I came home from law school, 650 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,033 I would have been very happy 651 00:26:48,033 --> 00:26:51,033 just drawing a paycheck each month. 652 00:26:51,033 --> 00:26:54,366 -[Billie] Patsy Mink eventually found her place in politics, 653 00:26:54,366 --> 00:26:59,033 winning a seat in the House of Representatives in 1964, 654 00:26:59,033 --> 00:27:02,000 becoming the first woman of color to serve 655 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,033 in the U.S. Congress, 656 00:27:04,033 --> 00:27:07,966 and a central figure in the Title IX legislation. 657 00:27:07,966 --> 00:27:10,933 Title IX was formally introduced in Congress 658 00:27:10,933 --> 00:27:13,933 by Senator Birch Bayh of Indiana, 659 00:27:13,933 --> 00:27:16,000 and was its chief Senate sponsor 660 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,933 for congressional debate 661 00:27:17,933 --> 00:27:23,300 when it finally became law in June of 1972. 662 00:27:26,933 --> 00:27:29,766 It's 37 words. Within those 37 words, 663 00:27:29,766 --> 00:27:32,800 there's the word "activity." 664 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,100 And I knew Senator Birch Bayh pretty well, 665 00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:38,033 he's one of my heroes, he said they kept, like, 666 00:27:38,033 --> 00:27:39,933 "Should we leave it in? Should we take it out? 667 00:27:39,933 --> 00:27:42,033 Should we leave it in? What does it pertain to? 668 00:27:42,033 --> 00:27:43,766 We really don't know, 669 00:27:43,766 --> 00:27:45,933 but it'll be a catch-all, maybe." 670 00:27:45,933 --> 00:27:48,300 Maybe, they weren't sure if it was even necessary. 671 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:51,266 -Mm-hmm. -In 1972, he didn't realize 672 00:27:51,266 --> 00:27:54,000 it was gonna open the floodgates for women's sports, 673 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,933 but it changed the whole world. 674 00:27:55,933 --> 00:27:59,100 And i-it's the one place, the one law that really 675 00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:01,000 has been -- made us equal. 676 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,033 -It was an amazing thing for women... 677 00:28:04,033 --> 00:28:05,833 -Yes. -Not only in sports, 678 00:28:05,833 --> 00:28:10,033 but for women empowerment for -- to open more opportunities 679 00:28:10,033 --> 00:28:11,566 and possibilities. -Yes. 680 00:28:11,566 --> 00:28:13,200 -As you said, we still have a lot to work on. 681 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,066 -You know, I remember when you and I were talking -- 682 00:28:16,066 --> 00:28:17,500 what was the question I asked, do you remember what 683 00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:19,266 I asked you, like... -Yes. 684 00:28:19,266 --> 00:28:21,000 -I asked, did you get any money for winning 685 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,500 the World Championships? 686 00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:23,733 And the answer was... 687 00:28:23,733 --> 00:28:25,000 -[Both] No. 688 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,266 -And I'm, like, crazed now, 689 00:28:26,266 --> 00:28:28,500 that's on my brain 24/7. 690 00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:30,500 Because you have to have money in the game. 691 00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:32,833 If you're playing flag football for a year, 692 00:28:32,833 --> 00:28:34,733 it means you gave up a year of university, 693 00:28:34,733 --> 00:28:37,366 it means you gave up a year of training in a company. 694 00:28:37,366 --> 00:28:39,500 So that is what you want to do. 695 00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:41,233 Th-This is what you want. -Mm-hmm. 696 00:28:41,233 --> 00:28:43,033 -And you gotta do it while you're young, too, 697 00:28:43,033 --> 00:28:44,866 because you know when it's done for you, 698 00:28:44,866 --> 00:28:47,033 you want it for other girls an-and boys as well, right? 699 00:28:47,033 --> 00:28:49,000 -Mm-hmm. -All genders, mm-hmm. 700 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,933 -Can you tell me about the Original 9? 701 00:28:51,933 --> 00:28:53,433 -The Original 9! 702 00:28:53,433 --> 00:28:56,100 I love the Original 9. We've been celebrating 703 00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:58,000 all over the world, it's been great. 704 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,233 We're all still alive, which is the most important thing. 705 00:29:00,233 --> 00:29:01,933 But the Original 9 706 00:29:01,933 --> 00:29:04,900 is the birth of women's professional tennis. 707 00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:07,966 In 1970, nine of us realized 708 00:29:07,966 --> 00:29:10,233 we had to form our own professional tour 709 00:29:10,233 --> 00:29:13,100 if we were ever going to step out of the shadow 710 00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:15,466 of men's professional tennis. 711 00:29:15,466 --> 00:29:18,066 There, we had been considered the sideshow, 712 00:29:18,066 --> 00:29:20,933 and men's tennis was the main event. 713 00:29:20,933 --> 00:29:24,266 A point that was driven home by tennis promoter Jack Kramer, 714 00:29:24,266 --> 00:29:27,966 whose famous Pacific Southwest tournament boldly offered 715 00:29:27,966 --> 00:29:31,566 the male players eight times more than the women players. 716 00:29:31,566 --> 00:29:34,433 Gladys Heldman, the publisher of "World Tennis Magazine," 717 00:29:34,433 --> 00:29:37,000 led us to start our own tour, 718 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,333 and even secured a title sponsor. 719 00:29:40,333 --> 00:29:44,166 All nine of us agreed to a $1 contract 720 00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:47,333 to play in the Virginia Slims of Houston tournament. 721 00:29:47,333 --> 00:29:51,400 The USTA, the governing body of tennis in the United States, 722 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,166 was furious, and threatened to banish us 723 00:29:54,166 --> 00:29:56,433 from all future tournaments. 724 00:29:56,433 --> 00:29:59,266 We were willing to risk our entire careers 725 00:29:59,266 --> 00:30:01,333 for the hope of equality, 726 00:30:01,333 --> 00:30:03,566 not only financially, 727 00:30:03,566 --> 00:30:06,233 but also in terms of more tournaments, 728 00:30:06,233 --> 00:30:09,000 more marketing, and more resources 729 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,466 devoted to women's tennis. 730 00:30:11,466 --> 00:30:13,333 We were committed, 731 00:30:13,333 --> 00:30:16,900 and we were together in the fight. 732 00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:19,500 And these are the three things we came up with 733 00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:22,933 that we were willing to lose our careers forever: 734 00:30:22,933 --> 00:30:25,500 That any girl born in this world, 735 00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:27,400 if she were good enough, 736 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,333 would have a place to compete. 737 00:30:29,333 --> 00:30:31,400 Number two, she would be appreciated 738 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,933 for her accomplishments, 739 00:30:32,933 --> 00:30:35,166 not only her looks. 740 00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:37,466 And number three, to make a living 741 00:30:37,466 --> 00:30:38,600 playing the sport we absolutely 742 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,400 had a passion to play. 743 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,300 So those were the three things we were willing to do. 744 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:44,933 So we're willing to give everything up. 745 00:30:44,933 --> 00:30:46,166 And so we had this one tournament, 746 00:30:46,166 --> 00:30:47,933 but I kept saying, this is great, 747 00:30:47,933 --> 00:30:49,500 but what are we gonna do after the tournament? 748 00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:51,133 So that's when we started. 749 00:30:51,133 --> 00:30:52,933 It took about two or three months, 750 00:30:52,933 --> 00:30:54,900 we all asked people to promote tournaments. 751 00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:57,400 "Would you please do it? We got a series of tournaments." 752 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,500 They said yes, Virginia Slims came in as the sponsor. 753 00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:03,300 We had our first tour in 1971. 754 00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:04,900 Larry and I were part owners 755 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:06,566 of the first two tournaments 756 00:31:06,566 --> 00:31:09,466 in San Francisco and in Long Beach. 757 00:31:09,466 --> 00:31:12,366 I would even take the soap and the towels to the locker room. 758 00:31:12,366 --> 00:31:14,133 I would do all kinds of stuff to set up, 759 00:31:14,133 --> 00:31:16,866 put the lines down, I mean, we'd do whatever it took. 760 00:31:16,866 --> 00:31:18,533 Then in 1972, 761 00:31:18,533 --> 00:31:21,300 I won the U.S. Open for the third time. 762 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:25,500 And when I realized my earnings were $10,000 763 00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:29,000 and the winner of the men's tournament, Ilie Nastase, 764 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,300 won $25,000, 765 00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:35,633 I said to myself, this has got to change. 766 00:31:35,633 --> 00:31:38,633 We worked tirelessly to recruit more players 767 00:31:38,633 --> 00:31:42,333 to join our cause to band together for equal pay. 768 00:31:42,333 --> 00:31:45,466 And ultimately, the Women's Tennis Association 769 00:31:45,466 --> 00:31:48,566 was born, and I became its first president. 770 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,633 The women of tennis 771 00:31:50,633 --> 00:31:51,633 were now organized, 772 00:31:51,633 --> 00:31:54,333 and ready to fight together. 773 00:31:54,333 --> 00:31:55,966 We made it clear to the U.S. Open 774 00:31:55,966 --> 00:31:58,200 that women would not be participating 775 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,466 the following year if the pay was not equal to the men. 776 00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:07,100 Bristol Myers stepped up to sponsor the pay gap. 777 00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:10,533 Billy Talbert, the director of the U.S. Open, 778 00:32:10,533 --> 00:32:14,033 made the decision to offer the same prize money 779 00:32:14,033 --> 00:32:16,366 to the women as the men. 780 00:32:16,366 --> 00:32:19,633 To this day, we don't know 781 00:32:19,633 --> 00:32:21,600 if he made that decision himself, 782 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,533 or ran it by the board. 783 00:32:23,533 --> 00:32:27,033 We've never been able to find any proof 784 00:32:27,033 --> 00:32:31,700 that the entire USTA board voted on this decision. 785 00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:33,933 But starting the following year, 786 00:32:33,933 --> 00:32:35,966 the U.S. Open led the world 787 00:32:35,966 --> 00:32:38,933 in providing equal prize money to women. 788 00:32:38,933 --> 00:32:41,700 Equal pay may seem like an obvious concept, 789 00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:46,033 but the reality is quite different for women in America. 790 00:32:46,033 --> 00:32:48,400 White women make $0.83 to the dollar 791 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,100 of their male colleagues, 792 00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:52,133 and women of color make even less, 793 00:32:52,133 --> 00:32:55,100 at roughly $0.60 on the dollar. 794 00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:56,700 The pay gap is real, 795 00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,200 and very problematic even today. 796 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,466 When I first met Julie Foudy, 797 00:33:02,466 --> 00:33:04,766 she and the world championship gold medal-winning 798 00:33:04,766 --> 00:33:08,100 U.S. soccer team were in the fight of their careers 799 00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:10,633 to earn the respect and equality 800 00:33:10,633 --> 00:33:14,266 that had been eluding them in the 1990s. 801 00:33:14,266 --> 00:33:16,466 They were paid significantly less 802 00:33:16,466 --> 00:33:18,000 than their male counterparts 803 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,166 who had never won an Olympics 804 00:33:20,166 --> 00:33:21,666 or a World Cup championship. 805 00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:26,700 -We were trying to establish the team in the '90s 806 00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:28,700 as kind of the first group coming through, 807 00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:30,433 and we started having more success, 808 00:33:30,433 --> 00:33:32,766 we won that first World Cup, we won the Olympics. 809 00:33:32,766 --> 00:33:34,433 You know, we're gonna be hosting 810 00:33:34,433 --> 00:33:36,700 the first World Cup in the United States. 811 00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:40,000 And what we quickly realized is nothing was changing 812 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,600 in terms of the support for us. 813 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,600 Like, we were literally still making $10 a day. 814 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,266 That was our per diem. -Oh, my... 815 00:33:46,266 --> 00:33:48,200 -$10 a day. -$10 a day? 816 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,133 -Yes, with really 817 00:33:50,133 --> 00:33:52,766 no external income outside of that, 818 00:33:52,766 --> 00:33:56,266 we kept nudging like, hey, yo, we can't survive on this. 819 00:33:56,266 --> 00:33:59,133 We're no longer in college, like, we need to either go work, 820 00:33:59,133 --> 00:34:00,533 which means stop playing, 821 00:34:00,533 --> 00:34:02,533 or you need to start paying us more. 822 00:34:02,533 --> 00:34:04,733 So we're getting more frustrated and more frustrated each year. 823 00:34:04,733 --> 00:34:07,166 -[Billie] The United States hosted its first 824 00:34:07,166 --> 00:34:09,400 Women's World Cup in 1999. 825 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,166 It was the summer that changed everything 826 00:34:12,166 --> 00:34:14,166 for soccer in America. 827 00:34:14,166 --> 00:34:16,166 The three-week-long tournament 828 00:34:16,166 --> 00:34:19,166 packed stadiums with newly passionate soccer fans and 829 00:34:19,166 --> 00:34:22,666 captivated the nation with record television ratings. 830 00:34:22,666 --> 00:34:24,666 [ Soft music ] 831 00:34:24,666 --> 00:34:28,533 -[Julie] I think the thing that made '99 so remarkable 832 00:34:28,533 --> 00:34:32,500 is that no one expected packed stadiums, 833 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:34,566 40 million people watching on TV. 834 00:34:34,566 --> 00:34:36,600 They just didn't expect that, because everyone said, 835 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,700 do it in small stadiums... -Mm-hmm. 836 00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:43,066 -Make sure -- maybe you just want to do it on the East Coast, 837 00:34:43,066 --> 00:34:44,500 you know, make it regional. 838 00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:46,066 But it was a World Cup, and a World Cup 839 00:34:46,066 --> 00:34:47,600 is like an Olympics. It's like, no... 840 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,333 -Yeah. -Why would we go small? 841 00:34:49,333 --> 00:34:51,200 Let's go big. Let's do big stadiums, 842 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,666 national footprint. 843 00:34:52,666 --> 00:34:54,600 And everyone thought we were crazy, 844 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,433 and we ended up crushing it. 845 00:34:56,433 --> 00:34:57,833 [ Upbeat music ] 846 00:34:57,833 --> 00:35:00,733 The final of the 1999 Women's World Cup 847 00:35:00,733 --> 00:35:03,600 ends in penalties, of course. 848 00:35:05,333 --> 00:35:08,566 Brandi Chastain, she's the fifth kicker. 849 00:35:08,566 --> 00:35:09,900 If she makes it, 850 00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:12,400 the United States wins. 851 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,400 And she doesn't just make it, make it, 852 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,233 she side nets it. 853 00:35:16,233 --> 00:35:17,466 Beautiful kick... 854 00:35:17,466 --> 00:35:20,100 [ Crowd cheering ] 855 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:24,733 And then, she rips off her jersey. 856 00:35:24,733 --> 00:35:27,633 Flexes, sports bra, 857 00:35:27,633 --> 00:35:30,433 front page of every magazine across the nation. 858 00:35:30,433 --> 00:35:33,733 You may remember the iconic photo. 859 00:35:33,733 --> 00:35:36,433 And we won the World Cup at home 860 00:35:36,433 --> 00:35:38,766 in front of a lot of people watching on TV 861 00:35:38,766 --> 00:35:41,900 and a packed Rose Bowl stadium, and it was really cool. 862 00:35:41,900 --> 00:35:43,566 And that's when soccer just... 863 00:35:43,566 --> 00:35:46,400 -That's insane. -It was really the first time 864 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,266 that people go, "Oh, this is the potential 865 00:35:49,266 --> 00:35:50,500 for women's sports." 866 00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:52,166 There was that glimpse in '99 867 00:35:52,166 --> 00:35:54,266 where we were like, oh, my gosh, 868 00:35:54,266 --> 00:35:56,433 this is the potential... -It had the potential, yeah. 869 00:35:56,433 --> 00:35:58,233 -This is what it should be. 870 00:35:58,233 --> 00:36:01,233 -[Billie] The team won that World Cup in epic fashion. 871 00:36:01,233 --> 00:36:03,866 The iconic photo of Brandi Chastain 872 00:36:03,866 --> 00:36:06,300 did spark some controversy. 873 00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:08,866 Although men have been ripping off their shirts 874 00:36:08,866 --> 00:36:11,466 in celebration of wins for decades, 875 00:36:11,466 --> 00:36:14,966 some were in an uproar over Chastain's actions, 876 00:36:14,966 --> 00:36:16,966 revealing that double standards 877 00:36:16,966 --> 00:36:20,300 for men and women were alive and well. 878 00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:22,566 But despite that criticism, 879 00:36:22,566 --> 00:36:25,400 the World Cup win was definitive proof 880 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,733 that women's soccer was 881 00:36:26,733 --> 00:36:29,500 a successful commercial enterprise. 882 00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:33,666 It was the leverage this team had been waiting for. 883 00:36:33,666 --> 00:36:37,633 -So at about this time, I meet the Billie Jean King. 884 00:36:37,633 --> 00:36:40,800 Super lucky, I get invited by the Women's Sports Foundation 885 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,233 to this like, literally roundtable 886 00:36:43,233 --> 00:36:46,500 of ten awesome, badass women, 887 00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:49,633 Billie Jean being one of them, sitting around the table. 888 00:36:49,633 --> 00:36:52,200 So, Billie Jean King is telling her story 889 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:58,400 about how women's tennis in the '70s had to break away 890 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,600 from men's tennis because 891 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,900 she felt that they weren't ever going to grow 892 00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:07,533 and blossom because they just couldn't separate from men. 893 00:37:07,533 --> 00:37:08,766 They weren't getting the support. 894 00:37:08,766 --> 00:37:10,066 They weren't getting the funding. 895 00:37:10,066 --> 00:37:11,700 They weren't getting the attention. 896 00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:13,933 And so after she tells this whole story, 897 00:37:13,933 --> 00:37:17,800 I go, "That's us, help us!" 898 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,466 [ Laughter ] 899 00:37:19,466 --> 00:37:20,766 "That's our story!" 900 00:37:20,766 --> 00:37:23,633 And she turns to me and she goes, 901 00:37:23,633 --> 00:37:27,766 "Foudy, what are you doing about it?" 902 00:37:27,766 --> 00:37:30,533 I was like, "I don't know. I mean, we're trying. 903 00:37:30,533 --> 00:37:32,800 We're asking for help, we've gone to the federation. 904 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,266 We've complained"... 905 00:37:34,266 --> 00:37:36,600 "Foudy, no, you, you get the players. 906 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,033 What are you as players doing? 907 00:37:38,033 --> 00:37:40,033 Go home, get the players. 908 00:37:40,033 --> 00:37:42,866 When you meet next time, you get them on the same page. 909 00:37:42,866 --> 00:37:45,866 You've got the power. You, the players. 910 00:37:45,866 --> 00:37:47,633 You need to be fighting for better. 911 00:37:47,633 --> 00:37:49,433 You, you, the players." 912 00:37:49,433 --> 00:37:51,933 And I was like, "You're damn right we do. 913 00:37:51,933 --> 00:37:53,466 Okay!" 914 00:37:53,466 --> 00:37:55,300 I was like, yeah, okay, roll my sleeves up. 915 00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:56,966 Let's go. 916 00:37:56,966 --> 00:38:02,433 So literally from that meeting, Suni, we are flying. 917 00:38:02,433 --> 00:38:04,966 I'm flying in to meet the national team, 918 00:38:04,966 --> 00:38:07,533 and my mind is going a million miles an hour. 919 00:38:07,533 --> 00:38:10,833 It was this epiphany, and I'm like, oh! 920 00:38:10,833 --> 00:38:13,466 Oh, we're not signing this contract. 921 00:38:13,466 --> 00:38:15,100 So I get in with the players, 922 00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:17,666 and they literally are like, let's sign this contract. 923 00:38:17,666 --> 00:38:18,933 And I get the players together. 924 00:38:18,933 --> 00:38:21,333 I was like, "Oh, no. 925 00:38:21,333 --> 00:38:23,333 Billie Jean King just told me" -- 926 00:38:23,333 --> 00:38:26,500 And by then, you know, we had been fighting 927 00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:28,433 for enough that we were fed up. 928 00:38:28,433 --> 00:38:31,500 And so, of course, it was easy. 929 00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:33,100 The players were like, 930 00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:34,466 "Yeah, why didn't we think of that? 931 00:38:34,466 --> 00:38:36,433 I -- Yeah, you're right. She's right. 932 00:38:36,433 --> 00:38:38,700 No, we're not signing this contract." 933 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:45,600 So it was the start of us saying to U.S. Soccer, 934 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,533 uh-uh, that's not good enough. 935 00:38:47,533 --> 00:38:50,633 And the crazy, cool thing is, 936 00:38:50,633 --> 00:38:54,500 is that Billie didn't just say to me that first day, 937 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:56,800 "Hey, Julie, it's really hard, but you have the power." 938 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,800 She said to me that first day, 939 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,566 "Not only do you have the power, 940 00:39:00,566 --> 00:39:02,400 I'm going to be right by your side. 941 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,833 I'm gonna tell you what we learned, how we did it, 942 00:39:04,833 --> 00:39:08,600 what we did, and I'm going to pass this on to you." 943 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,400 -So did anything change after you, like, had that... 944 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,033 -Yeah, a lot changed. 945 00:39:13,033 --> 00:39:15,900 We were like, oh, we really have the power now. 946 00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:17,166 We have leverage. 947 00:39:17,166 --> 00:39:19,066 We have numbers, we have data 948 00:39:19,066 --> 00:39:20,866 that backs up our argument 949 00:39:20,866 --> 00:39:22,733 that people care about this team, 950 00:39:22,733 --> 00:39:24,166 people care about this sport. 951 00:39:24,166 --> 00:39:27,100 People care about women's sports in general. 952 00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:30,733 So let's start acting on a daily basis 953 00:39:30,733 --> 00:39:32,766 like you care, as well. -Right. 954 00:39:32,766 --> 00:39:34,533 -And like, show us that you care 955 00:39:34,533 --> 00:39:38,033 with a contract, and money, and payment and support, 956 00:39:38,033 --> 00:39:39,566 most importantly for the program. 957 00:39:39,566 --> 00:39:41,900 And back then, it was for equitable pay. 958 00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:44,166 We didn't think equal pay back then, right? 959 00:39:44,166 --> 00:39:46,500 That's too big. No, let's just go 960 00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:48,166 for better treatment, more marketing, 961 00:39:48,166 --> 00:39:50,000 better support, because they would say, 962 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,400 "You just wanna line your pockets." 963 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,666 No, we wanna make the game better, 964 00:39:52,666 --> 00:39:54,000 we wanna grow the game. 965 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,500 And Billie was teaching us all this 966 00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:57,033 as we were going along. 967 00:39:57,033 --> 00:39:59,900 -By sticking together, the women's soccer team 968 00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:02,933 greatly improved their financial compensation 969 00:40:02,933 --> 00:40:04,900 and their working conditions. 970 00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:08,733 This history is so important to revisit and to share 971 00:40:08,733 --> 00:40:12,600 between the generations, because every single athlete 972 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,766 has had these private struggles 973 00:40:14,766 --> 00:40:17,600 that have taught them major lessons. 974 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,766 -So for women's half-pipe snowboarding, 975 00:40:19,766 --> 00:40:23,433 the first Olympics was in 1998, and so I was prepped. 976 00:40:23,433 --> 00:40:25,000 It was something that was... 977 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,933 possible for me. 978 00:40:26,933 --> 00:40:29,000 I got to watch all of my idols 979 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,100 prep for the Olympics, I was there. 980 00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:33,833 -I didn't even know who my idols were. 981 00:40:33,833 --> 00:40:35,533 Isn't that crazy? -That's what I mean. 982 00:40:35,533 --> 00:40:37,666 Like, I had so many people I could look up to, 983 00:40:37,666 --> 00:40:40,000 and you, you were the person 984 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,500 you had to look up to, you know? 985 00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:44,666 -I-It's crazy. 986 00:40:44,666 --> 00:40:46,833 -I was fortunate enough to witness 987 00:40:46,833 --> 00:40:49,166 so many incredible female athletes, 988 00:40:49,166 --> 00:40:51,166 and I think the only thing that was different for me was 989 00:40:51,166 --> 00:40:53,666 that none of them really looked like me, you know? 990 00:40:53,666 --> 00:40:57,833 There weren't many Asian-American women in sports, 991 00:40:57,833 --> 00:41:02,133 and so I felt a little bit of isolation in that regard, 992 00:41:02,133 --> 00:41:04,633 because there were things that I was struggling with 993 00:41:04,633 --> 00:41:07,066 that no one else seemed to be struggling with, um, 994 00:41:07,066 --> 00:41:10,100 growing up as a young Korean-American girl. 995 00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:13,933 But seeing the impact that I've been able to make 996 00:41:13,933 --> 00:41:16,233 on so many young, young girls, 997 00:41:16,233 --> 00:41:18,066 especially young Asian-American girls, 998 00:41:18,066 --> 00:41:20,066 has been incredible. 999 00:41:20,066 --> 00:41:23,133 And I'm -- I'm grateful to be in this position. 1000 00:41:23,133 --> 00:41:24,833 But I definitely did struggle 1001 00:41:24,833 --> 00:41:26,900 because, one, 1002 00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:29,933 snowboarding is a very male-dominated sport. 1003 00:41:29,933 --> 00:41:32,933 When I was 13, that's when I first downloaded Instagram, 1004 00:41:32,933 --> 00:41:34,500 and it was cool because I was like, 1005 00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:37,000 whoa, I got, you know, 200 likes on this photo. 1006 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,733 200 people think I'm cool! 1007 00:41:38,733 --> 00:41:42,166 But also, it opened this door for people to be mean. 1008 00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:44,633 -Mm-hmm. -Racist comments, like, 1009 00:41:44,633 --> 00:41:46,833 I won my first X Games medal at 13, 1010 00:41:46,833 --> 00:41:49,766 and I went to bed crying myself to sleep that night. 1011 00:41:49,766 --> 00:41:53,100 And that was very painful. 1012 00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:54,733 And I went through it alone. 1013 00:41:54,733 --> 00:41:56,633 I got really upset, you know? 1014 00:41:56,633 --> 00:41:58,733 I became angry. 1015 00:41:58,733 --> 00:42:01,066 I hated the world, I hated myself. 1016 00:42:01,066 --> 00:42:02,566 I hated... 1017 00:42:02,566 --> 00:42:03,833 you know, that I was Asian. 1018 00:42:03,833 --> 00:42:05,800 Like, it was terrible, you know? 1019 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,400 Nobody knew, because, again, when I'm outside, 1020 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,066 smiles on, happy me, 1021 00:42:10,066 --> 00:42:12,300 'cause that's my image, that's what people see me as 1022 00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:14,300 is this happy, young, bubbly girl 1023 00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:16,000 who kills it on a snowboard. 1024 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,966 So if I wasn't any of those things, 1025 00:42:17,966 --> 00:42:20,833 then I thought nobody would like me, 1026 00:42:20,833 --> 00:42:23,966 or, like, I wasn't lovable, because everyone was saying 1027 00:42:23,966 --> 00:42:25,833 the most terrible things to me online, 1028 00:42:25,833 --> 00:42:27,133 and I let it affect me. 1029 00:42:27,133 --> 00:42:29,233 Nobody really prepped me for that. 1030 00:42:29,233 --> 00:42:32,633 And that wasn't something that I expected at all. 1031 00:42:32,633 --> 00:42:35,533 -After winning the gold in 2018, 1032 00:42:35,533 --> 00:42:38,200 Chloe Kim struggled with the newfound fame 1033 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,233 and even threw her first gold medal in the trash. 1034 00:42:42,233 --> 00:42:44,200 She worked through the intense period 1035 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,800 and came out the other side 1036 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,133 stronger and more focused on her goals. 1037 00:42:49,133 --> 00:42:51,633 The path to becoming a champion athlete 1038 00:42:51,633 --> 00:42:55,033 is riddled with unexpected complications and obstacles. 1039 00:42:55,033 --> 00:42:58,866 And every athlete I know has these personal stories. 1040 00:42:58,866 --> 00:43:02,366 [ Intense music ] 1041 00:43:02,366 --> 00:43:06,266 -I wanna hear more about the lead-up to the Olympics. 1042 00:43:06,266 --> 00:43:08,133 And, yeah, 'cause I-- 1043 00:43:08,133 --> 00:43:10,800 obviously, that's a hard time in itself with COVID 1044 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,066 and everything happening but... 1045 00:43:13,066 --> 00:43:15,233 -Well, it was really difficult because, 1046 00:43:15,233 --> 00:43:18,066 in 2019, right before the championship, 1047 00:43:18,066 --> 00:43:20,600 my dad had an accident which caused him to be 1048 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,600 paralyzed from the waist down. 1049 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,900 Basically got his whole life taken away from him, 1050 00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:27,266 and it was very difficult. 1051 00:43:27,266 --> 00:43:30,700 The two days that I was trying to prepare for the championship, 1052 00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:32,300 I spent in the hospital with my dad. 1053 00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:34,866 And he like could barely talk at the time, 1054 00:43:34,866 --> 00:43:37,633 but when he did, he was like, "No, you have to go." 1055 00:43:37,633 --> 00:43:41,200 And I was like, Dad, I'm not going to the championship 1056 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,866 when you are in critical condition. 1057 00:43:43,866 --> 00:43:45,866 And he was like, "Tell Jess to come here" -- 1058 00:43:45,866 --> 00:43:48,100 Jess is my coach -- and so my coach 1059 00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:51,800 came to the hospital, and he was telling my coach 1060 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,100 that I had to go to the meet and I had to compete. 1061 00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:55,866 Like, I had no other choice. 1062 00:43:55,866 --> 00:43:58,733 And I didn't tell anybody that that happened to my dad 1063 00:43:58,733 --> 00:44:00,800 because I didn't want any attention. 1064 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,666 And I just didn't feel like people should know. 1065 00:44:03,666 --> 00:44:05,833 But I ended up competing, 1066 00:44:05,833 --> 00:44:10,033 and I actually placed second for my first senior competition, 1067 00:44:10,033 --> 00:44:12,166 which is a really big deal. 1068 00:44:12,166 --> 00:44:15,133 But after all of that was COVID. 1069 00:44:15,133 --> 00:44:18,300 I wasn't able to train for a while because, 1070 00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:20,700 obviously, like, everything was shut down. 1071 00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:22,866 So I was out of the gym for like a couple months, 1072 00:44:22,866 --> 00:44:25,300 and I was really like, do I even want this anymore? 1073 00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:27,666 Like, there were times where I was like, 1074 00:44:27,666 --> 00:44:29,166 I just don't think that 1075 00:44:29,166 --> 00:44:30,433 the Olympics is gonna happen. 1076 00:44:30,433 --> 00:44:32,433 Like, it got postponed... 1077 00:44:32,433 --> 00:44:33,800 -Yeah, it was so crazy, that time... 1078 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,800 -It was, yeah, insane. 1079 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,333 -That was a little fork in the road where 1080 00:44:37,333 --> 00:44:39,433 you could've easily gotten off. 1081 00:44:39,433 --> 00:44:41,033 -No, yeah, because like, 1082 00:44:41,033 --> 00:44:43,033 once I started training in the gym, too, 1083 00:44:43,033 --> 00:44:45,833 like, the first day back, I broke my foot. 1084 00:44:45,833 --> 00:44:47,933 Since I was so weak already, like, it just 1085 00:44:47,933 --> 00:44:49,766 progressively got worse, 1086 00:44:49,766 --> 00:44:52,300 and went into the Olympics -- I mean, I competed 1087 00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:54,300 at the Olympics with a fractured shin. 1088 00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:56,700 -What? -Not a lot of people know that. 1089 00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:59,433 [ Laughing ] I just -- -How did you do that? 1090 00:44:59,433 --> 00:45:02,333 -I mean, well, the adrenaline definitely helped. 1091 00:45:02,333 --> 00:45:04,000 I'm like, okay, a fractured shin, 1092 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,500 or the Olympics, like, Olympics, of course. 1093 00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:08,500 -Oh, my word. 1094 00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:09,766 Wow. 1095 00:45:09,766 --> 00:45:11,866 -Yeah, crazy ride. 1096 00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:16,233 -[Diana] When I started, I started playing at a club. 1097 00:45:16,233 --> 00:45:18,333 We had this amazing stadium, 1098 00:45:18,333 --> 00:45:20,833 the football field, you know, with lights on. 1099 00:45:20,833 --> 00:45:22,433 Amazing. 1100 00:45:22,433 --> 00:45:26,000 That wasn't where I started to play flag. 1101 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,766 I started at a dust field 1102 00:45:29,766 --> 00:45:32,866 right in the back, full of rocks, 1103 00:45:32,866 --> 00:45:35,066 literally, and trash. 1104 00:45:35,066 --> 00:45:37,766 Because they told us 1105 00:45:37,766 --> 00:45:39,400 that we were not allowed 1106 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,166 to stand on the field 1107 00:45:41,166 --> 00:45:44,366 because it was for the boys. 1108 00:45:44,366 --> 00:45:47,200 Every time before a practice, 1109 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,166 my coach, he asked us to start like, 1110 00:45:50,166 --> 00:45:53,933 um, cleaning t-- the field from rocks 1111 00:45:53,933 --> 00:45:57,733 so I could bring my bag, my trash bag, to every practice. 1112 00:45:57,733 --> 00:45:59,500 -It's terrible. So you went from 1113 00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:02,933 this dust field, rocks, trash bags, 1114 00:46:02,933 --> 00:46:05,233 all this, and then how old were you 1115 00:46:05,233 --> 00:46:07,066 when you played on a men's team... 1116 00:46:07,066 --> 00:46:08,400 -14. -14. 1117 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,000 -Yes, so... -But the boys let you 1118 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,100 or the coach let you? -At that moment in time, 1119 00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:15,100 there was a rule in the league... 1120 00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:17,500 -Ah, there was a rule. -That if they had a girl 1121 00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:20,966 on the team, they were allowed to have one more boy. 1122 00:46:20,966 --> 00:46:23,966 -Oh, good, alright -- -So it is like, mmm... 1123 00:46:23,966 --> 00:46:25,933 -So they're not losing out, basically? 1124 00:46:25,933 --> 00:46:28,400 -Yes. It was hard at the beginning because 1125 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,266 I remember boys, and even the coaches, 1126 00:46:31,266 --> 00:46:33,066 didn't get to trust a lot in me 1127 00:46:33,066 --> 00:46:36,466 because, as you said, it was not their fault. 1128 00:46:36,466 --> 00:46:38,566 I understood it like, later on. 1129 00:46:38,566 --> 00:46:41,166 -It's culture. -Because -- Yes, because 1130 00:46:41,166 --> 00:46:44,833 they were used to that kind of mind-set. 1131 00:46:44,833 --> 00:46:46,400 -Yes. -And the mind-set of, "Okay, 1132 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,833 the girls, she's the weak one of the team. 1133 00:46:48,833 --> 00:46:51,433 Okay, we're gonna protect her, okay..." 1134 00:46:51,433 --> 00:46:53,566 -So how did you -- did you change their minds? 1135 00:46:53,566 --> 00:46:55,266 -Yes. -And how did you do that? 1136 00:46:55,266 --> 00:46:58,066 -It was all about like, my -- my work... 1137 00:46:58,066 --> 00:47:00,466 -It was your skill, right? -My passion, my skills. 1138 00:47:00,466 --> 00:47:02,300 They saw, and they realized 1139 00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:04,966 that I was not competing against them, 1140 00:47:04,966 --> 00:47:07,033 I was competing with them... 1141 00:47:07,033 --> 00:47:08,966 -Right, you're on their team, to win, right?! 1142 00:47:08,966 --> 00:47:11,200 -We have the same passion, we have the same vision. 1143 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,033 We have more things that connect us 1144 00:47:15,033 --> 00:47:17,200 than what we would've thought. 1145 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,166 -[Billie] When Jackie Joyner-Kersee 1146 00:47:19,166 --> 00:47:21,466 accepted her invitation to UCLA, 1147 00:47:21,466 --> 00:47:25,133 she achieved her dream of following in the footsteps 1148 00:47:25,133 --> 00:47:27,533 of Evelyn Ashford, 1149 00:47:27,533 --> 00:47:31,633 Annie Meyers, and Anita Ortega. 1150 00:47:31,633 --> 00:47:33,633 There, she astounded people 1151 00:47:33,633 --> 00:47:36,233 by playing on two NCAA teams -- 1152 00:47:36,233 --> 00:47:39,133 basketball and track & field. 1153 00:47:39,133 --> 00:47:42,333 Jackie's specialty in track was the heptathlon, 1154 00:47:42,333 --> 00:47:44,466 which is a grueling contest 1155 00:47:44,466 --> 00:47:46,533 comprised of seven events, 1156 00:47:46,533 --> 00:47:48,233 which include the shot put, 1157 00:47:48,233 --> 00:47:52,466 long jump, 60-meter run, 1,000-meter run, 1158 00:47:52,466 --> 00:47:54,133 100-meter hurdles, 1159 00:47:54,133 --> 00:47:57,300 high jump, and javelin throw. 1160 00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:01,433 In 1984, Jackie participated in her first Olympics, 1161 00:48:01,433 --> 00:48:04,033 and was considered the favorite to win, 1162 00:48:04,033 --> 00:48:06,033 until she suffered an injury. 1163 00:48:06,033 --> 00:48:08,466 -It was very challenging because I was dealing 1164 00:48:08,466 --> 00:48:11,700 with patellar tendonitis in my left knee, 1165 00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:13,400 and it played on me mentally. 1166 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,633 So I doubted my coaches, I doubted myself. 1167 00:48:15,633 --> 00:48:17,966 And when I went into the Games, 1168 00:48:17,966 --> 00:48:20,700 my first Olympic Games, even though they were saying 1169 00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:22,700 that I was okay, I didn't believe I was okay. 1170 00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:24,266 And I performed like that. 1171 00:48:24,266 --> 00:48:27,366 -[Billie] Even with a debilitating injury, 1172 00:48:27,366 --> 00:48:29,966 Jackie still competed in her Olympic events 1173 00:48:29,966 --> 00:48:31,700 and took home the silver medal. 1174 00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:34,566 But the experience deeply shook her confidence 1175 00:48:34,566 --> 00:48:36,933 and plagued her for years. 1176 00:48:36,933 --> 00:48:41,033 -I said, when I left Los Angeles in 1984, 1177 00:48:41,033 --> 00:48:42,700 my first Olympic Games, I said I wanted to be 1178 00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:44,200 the toughest athlete out there mentally -- 1179 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,700 -Mm-hmm. -Because physically, 1180 00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:47,100 I had the ability. 1181 00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:49,100 But for me, I never forget that 1182 00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:51,966 before I became that, I went through this struggle 1183 00:48:51,966 --> 00:48:54,533 before I became, you know, 1184 00:48:54,533 --> 00:48:57,300 the best in the world in the heptathlon. 1185 00:48:57,300 --> 00:48:59,033 -That's such a cool thing to say. 1186 00:48:59,033 --> 00:49:00,600 -I know. 1187 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,466 [ Laughter ] 1188 00:49:02,466 --> 00:49:06,200 -[Billie] By the time the 1988 Olympics rolled around, 1189 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,100 Jackie Joyner-Kersee was stronger physically 1190 00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:11,600 and mentally than she'd ever been. 1191 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,266 And she dominated the events, 1192 00:49:14,266 --> 00:49:16,600 setting a heptathlon world record 1193 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,366 that has not been broken in more than 35 years. 1194 00:49:21,366 --> 00:49:24,266 -Did I think it would still last this long? 1195 00:49:24,266 --> 00:49:26,000 No. 1196 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,200 I'm happy for it, but that's just a part of what I did, 1197 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:34,500 but not to the point where it leads my life or run my life. 1198 00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:35,766 -Like, it doesn't define you? 1199 00:49:35,766 --> 00:49:38,366 -No, right, exactly, you know? 1200 00:49:38,366 --> 00:49:43,033 So it's like -- And then when people tell me 35 years, 1201 00:49:43,033 --> 00:49:45,333 you know, I'm like, wow, that means I'm old, you know? 1202 00:49:45,333 --> 00:49:48,666 [ Laughter ] 1203 00:49:48,666 --> 00:49:50,633 You know, because most people 1204 00:49:50,633 --> 00:49:52,100 don't see our struggles, you know? 1205 00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:54,166 -Yeah. -They just see the successes. 1206 00:49:54,166 --> 00:49:56,333 But tell me about the 2018, 1207 00:49:56,333 --> 00:49:58,500 the U.S. Open. 1208 00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:03,200 -It was a lot of mixed, mixed emotions, yeah. 1209 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,033 -I remember sitting in my bedroom, 1210 00:50:05,033 --> 00:50:09,266 oh, gosh, just to see you and Serena battle it out, 1211 00:50:09,266 --> 00:50:11,433 and I just felt 1212 00:50:11,433 --> 00:50:14,200 for both of you at that moment. 1213 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,633 Oh, you brought me to tears, 1214 00:50:16,633 --> 00:50:19,200 because you were so grateful, you know? 1215 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,166 And I know that she was like 1216 00:50:22,166 --> 00:50:24,166 a role model and, you know, 1217 00:50:24,166 --> 00:50:26,133 and -- and so, 1218 00:50:26,133 --> 00:50:29,600 could you just share a little bit of that moment? 1219 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,766 -It felt like a dream to me to be playing against her 1220 00:50:32,766 --> 00:50:36,033 because I did, like, a report on her, 1221 00:50:36,033 --> 00:50:38,266 maybe fourth grade or something, 1222 00:50:38,266 --> 00:50:40,666 and I was just like, if I ever managed to get 1223 00:50:40,666 --> 00:50:43,600 to the finals of a Slam, I would love to play Serena. 1224 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,766 Um, and then it actually happened. 1225 00:50:46,766 --> 00:50:49,666 So it was definitely a really surreal feeling. 1226 00:50:49,666 --> 00:50:52,133 [ Tense music ] [ Crowd cheering ] 1227 00:50:56,533 --> 00:50:59,766 I always thought about what would happen if I won a Slam, 1228 00:50:59,766 --> 00:51:02,233 but just everything that occurred 1229 00:51:02,233 --> 00:51:05,033 was outside of my imagination. 1230 00:51:06,366 --> 00:51:09,266 I wasn't really prepared for it. 1231 00:51:09,266 --> 00:51:11,533 There was a lot of people saying that I didn't, like, 1232 00:51:11,533 --> 00:51:14,833 deserve to win, or that win didn't count, 1233 00:51:14,833 --> 00:51:19,600 but it also really brought my ambitions very high. 1234 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,233 Like, that just motivated me a lot to win, 1235 00:51:22,233 --> 00:51:25,100 like, the Australian Open right after that. 1236 00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:27,566 So, but, yeah, I just remember feeling 1237 00:51:27,566 --> 00:51:31,500 in that moment very happy to have won. 1238 00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:33,500 But also I felt very sad because 1239 00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:35,600 I knew how much it meant to her. 1240 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,600 -[Billie] Naomi's 2018 U.S. Open win against 1241 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,700 her childhood hero, Serena Williams, 1242 00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:44,166 was an historic night in tennis, 1243 00:51:44,166 --> 00:51:46,833 and Naomi's first Grand Slam win. 1244 00:51:46,833 --> 00:51:51,333 At the awards ceremony, the stadium erupted in boos. 1245 00:51:51,333 --> 00:51:54,500 It was an emotional, intense moment. 1246 00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:58,066 As Naomi hid behind her visor, 1247 00:51:58,066 --> 00:52:00,600 Serena stepped in closer 1248 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,400 and placed her arm around Naomi's shoulder 1249 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,633 in a sign of solidarity. 1250 00:52:05,633 --> 00:52:09,266 It was one of the most powerful illustrations of support 1251 00:52:09,266 --> 00:52:12,566 that I've ever seen in our sport. 1252 00:52:12,566 --> 00:52:14,900 -In your space, in tennis, 1253 00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:18,833 how were you able to really adapt and adjust? 1254 00:52:18,833 --> 00:52:21,766 -I think, for me, it's just more about being grateful. 1255 00:52:21,766 --> 00:52:24,466 I have to always pat myself on the back, 1256 00:52:24,466 --> 00:52:26,800 like, even if I feel like other people don't. 1257 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,233 What's most important is how I feel on the inside. 1258 00:52:30,233 --> 00:52:33,300 -When I was competing, if I had talked about my mental health, 1259 00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:34,800 I was considered weak. 1260 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,800 -Mm-hmm. -But for you 1261 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,500 to open that door for so many people 1262 00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:42,400 that didn't even know they can have that conversation... 1263 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,733 -[Billie] In 2021, Naomi caused 1264 00:52:45,733 --> 00:52:47,600 quite a stir when she decided 1265 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,833 not to interact with the media, 1266 00:52:49,833 --> 00:52:51,666 and decided to focus on 1267 00:52:51,666 --> 00:52:54,100 her mental health instead. 1268 00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:55,900 After skipping the first press conference 1269 00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:58,333 following her opening-round win, 1270 00:52:58,333 --> 00:53:01,366 organizers fined her and threatened to suspend her 1271 00:53:01,366 --> 00:53:02,700 from the tournament 1272 00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:05,400 and all other grand slams that year. 1273 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,300 Naomi shocked the world and pulled out altogether, 1274 00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:12,200 and revealed that she had been struggling with depression 1275 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,466 and anxiety for years, 1276 00:53:14,466 --> 00:53:17,633 becoming one of the first international sports stars 1277 00:53:17,633 --> 00:53:19,700 to raise awareness and talk about 1278 00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:22,633 her mental health struggles publicly. 1279 00:53:22,633 --> 00:53:26,400 -In the beginning, I remember feeling a bit ashamed about it 1280 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,800 because there is always that stigma of, like, 1281 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,800 you are weak if you talk about it, 1282 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,233 and you're giving your opponents like a... 1283 00:53:34,233 --> 00:53:36,733 like, an edge or something? 1284 00:53:36,733 --> 00:53:39,700 Um, but then I think I realized, 1285 00:53:39,700 --> 00:53:41,833 and just interacting with other athletes, 1286 00:53:41,833 --> 00:53:44,500 and them saying that me talking about it 1287 00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:48,300 helped them out a lot, it's when I realized, like, 1288 00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:50,200 I'm not the only one that feels this way. 1289 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,400 -Right. -And it's better for everyone 1290 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,733 to just talk about it 'cause then it'll become more, 1291 00:53:55,733 --> 00:53:58,966 I don't want to say normal, but less stigmatized. 1292 00:53:58,966 --> 00:54:01,366 -I don't know if you ever lived through, you know, 1293 00:54:01,366 --> 00:54:03,366 the idea of this impostor syndrome where 1294 00:54:03,366 --> 00:54:04,800 you're always like, I'm not good enough... 1295 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,633 -Wow, I definitely had that. 1296 00:54:06,633 --> 00:54:08,766 -A lot of women go through that. 1297 00:54:08,766 --> 00:54:10,766 I mean, I had that especially in my early days 1298 00:54:10,766 --> 00:54:12,100 with the national team... 1299 00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:15,466 -Yeah. -Of, why am I here? 1300 00:54:15,466 --> 00:54:18,700 [ Whispering ] Like, does anyone know I shouldn't be here? 1301 00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:20,700 I think they made a mistake. 1302 00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:22,766 [ Normal ] So how did you get through that? 1303 00:54:22,766 --> 00:54:24,700 -Well, it was really difficult 1304 00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:27,366 because I had a hard time talking about it. 1305 00:54:27,366 --> 00:54:31,466 I think I was more, like, embarrassed than anything 1306 00:54:31,466 --> 00:54:35,366 because I'm like, I don't think I should have won the Olympics. 1307 00:54:35,366 --> 00:54:38,600 -[Billie] In 2020, Suni Lee found herself 1308 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,900 in a situation no one could have predicted. 1309 00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:45,900 One day before the all-around gymnastic Olympic event, 1310 00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:49,800 gold medal favorite Simone Biles withdrew. 1311 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,466 Biles experienced a dangerous phenomena 1312 00:54:52,466 --> 00:54:54,633 known as "the twisties." 1313 00:54:54,633 --> 00:54:58,033 It's when a gymnast's mind and body are out of sync 1314 00:54:58,033 --> 00:55:02,600 and the athlete cannot accurately assess where to land. 1315 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,600 Simone admitted that she needed a mental health break, 1316 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,666 and months later, when testifying 1317 00:55:08,666 --> 00:55:10,133 in front of the U.S. Senate, 1318 00:55:10,133 --> 00:55:13,533 on the FBI's mishandling of the USA gymnastics' 1319 00:55:13,533 --> 00:55:15,633 sexual abuse investigation, 1320 00:55:15,633 --> 00:55:18,833 Biles bravely admitted that her mental health issues 1321 00:55:18,833 --> 00:55:22,866 in Tokyo were directly tied to the longtime abuse 1322 00:55:22,866 --> 00:55:26,833 she suffered at the hands of the team doctor, Larry Nasser. 1323 00:55:26,833 --> 00:55:29,933 -To be clear, I blame Larry Nasser. 1324 00:55:29,933 --> 00:55:33,633 And I also blame... 1325 00:55:33,633 --> 00:55:35,833 an entire system 1326 00:55:35,833 --> 00:55:39,700 that enabled and perpetrated his abuse. 1327 00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:42,033 -[Billie] But in Tokyo, with only 24 hours 1328 00:55:42,033 --> 00:55:44,800 before the event, Suni Lee was thrust 1329 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,933 into the spotlight and into a chance to win the gold. 1330 00:55:48,933 --> 00:55:52,333 -When Simone is going through all of that. 1331 00:55:52,333 --> 00:55:54,966 -Yes. -A-And obviously, 1332 00:55:54,966 --> 00:55:56,600 you didn't know what your role was gonna be 1333 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,433 coming into this Olympics... 1334 00:55:58,433 --> 00:56:00,666 -No, I mean, going into the Olympics, 1335 00:56:00,666 --> 00:56:03,033 like, me and my coach, we were set on like, 1336 00:56:03,033 --> 00:56:05,833 okay, we're just gonna go, compete for second, 1337 00:56:05,833 --> 00:56:08,066 win a team medal, and you're going to win a bars medal. 1338 00:56:08,066 --> 00:56:10,833 And I was like, okay, like, I'm competing for second. 1339 00:56:10,833 --> 00:56:13,500 I've been competing for second my whole career -- 1340 00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:15,166 or not my whole career, but since Simone's... 1341 00:56:15,166 --> 00:56:17,600 -Is that because you think Simone's gonna get first? 1342 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,166 -Yeah, we just know, it's like, Simone's 1343 00:56:19,166 --> 00:56:21,000 always gonna be first, my coach is like, 1344 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,000 "You're never gonna beat her." And I was like, "Yeah, I know, 1345 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,600 so we're competing for second." 1346 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,900 -Okay. -And so once 1347 00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:28,733 that happened with her, like, 1348 00:56:28,733 --> 00:56:31,566 it was like, what do we do now? 1349 00:56:31,566 --> 00:56:33,400 And, like, especially with the team, 1350 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,700 we were all just sitting there panicking. 1351 00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:36,533 Like, we were crying on the floor, 1352 00:56:36,533 --> 00:56:37,766 and we were like, we don't even know, 1353 00:56:37,766 --> 00:56:39,533 like, what to do. 1354 00:56:39,533 --> 00:56:42,833 But then she, like, came over and talked to us. 1355 00:56:42,833 --> 00:56:44,900 And Simone has always inspired me, 1356 00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:46,166 so obviously, I'm gonna listen to her. 1357 00:56:46,166 --> 00:56:47,666 Like, she's the GOAT, 1358 00:56:47,666 --> 00:56:49,533 like, a legend, and so whenever 1359 00:56:49,533 --> 00:56:51,766 she says anything to me, I'm like, yep, okay. 1360 00:56:51,766 --> 00:56:54,600 Take it from Simone like, she -- -What'd she say? 1361 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,033 -She was just like, go out there, like -- 1362 00:56:56,033 --> 00:56:57,566 She's, first of all, she was like, 1363 00:56:57,566 --> 00:56:59,200 "I'm sorry that I can't compete." 1364 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,066 And she was like, "You guys just got to go out there. 1365 00:57:02,066 --> 00:57:03,800 I'll be your biggest cheerleader." 1366 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,733 And we all just kind of huddled up, 1367 00:57:05,733 --> 00:57:07,966 and we were just like, we have to do this for Simone. 1368 00:57:07,966 --> 00:57:09,300 We have to do this for Team USA, 1369 00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:10,900 and we have to do this for ourselves. 1370 00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:13,166 -[Billie] Suni Lee went on to win the gold medal 1371 00:57:13,166 --> 00:57:15,966 in the all-around event at the Olympics. 1372 00:57:15,966 --> 00:57:19,566 But the experience played on her insecurities. 1373 00:57:19,566 --> 00:57:21,100 -First Olympics... 1374 00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:23,766 -And like, especially when it didn't go, like, 1375 00:57:23,766 --> 00:57:26,666 the way that you thought that your Olympics was gonna go, 1376 00:57:26,666 --> 00:57:29,933 like, I just envisioned it, like, completely different. 1377 00:57:29,933 --> 00:57:31,266 That whole year, I was like... 1378 00:57:31,266 --> 00:57:33,566 -Really? -I don't think I should've won. 1379 00:57:33,566 --> 00:57:36,900 Like, if Simone was there, I definitely wouldn't have won. 1380 00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:39,900 I was constantly telling myself, like, I'm not good enough. 1381 00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:41,466 I shouldn't have won the Olympics. 1382 00:57:41,466 --> 00:57:43,800 Like, I was really mean to myself. 1383 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,466 -Oh, my word, wow. 1384 00:57:47,466 --> 00:57:49,600 -But then it was, like, at the end of the day, 1385 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,500 like, it's a competition, and whoever shows up, shows up, 1386 00:57:52,500 --> 00:57:53,833 and whoever doesn't, doesn't. 1387 00:57:53,833 --> 00:57:55,633 And that's what I had to learn. 1388 00:57:55,633 --> 00:57:58,133 And so, it was really difficult. 1389 00:57:58,133 --> 00:58:00,533 -It's hard, and that's very normal. 1390 00:58:00,533 --> 00:58:03,200 -How did you get through it? Like, how did you, like -- 1391 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,833 like, during, like, the World Cups and stuff 1392 00:58:05,833 --> 00:58:07,533 like that, like, what was, like, your mental, 1393 00:58:07,533 --> 00:58:09,166 like, going into it? 1394 00:58:09,166 --> 00:58:12,300 -I had this amazing woman who worked on the national team, 1395 00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:13,800 Dr. Colleen Hacker, she was like 1396 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,566 a mental skills expert on the team. 1397 00:58:15,566 --> 00:58:19,966 She would always have these fantastic exercises 1398 00:58:19,966 --> 00:58:22,666 we could do for our mental health. 1399 00:58:22,666 --> 00:58:25,200 And one time I came to her and I said, 1400 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,700 "I -- I'm just really struggling." 1401 00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:31,066 And then I go into this downward spiral, and these butterflies. 1402 00:58:31,066 --> 00:58:33,566 And Dr. Hacker said to me, 1403 00:58:33,566 --> 00:58:36,533 "No, never wish the butterflies to go away." 1404 00:58:36,533 --> 00:58:38,733 And I said, "Oh, no, I want the butterflies to go away 1405 00:58:38,733 --> 00:58:41,033 because when the butterflies come, like, I know it's bad." 1406 00:58:41,033 --> 00:58:42,866 And she's like, "No. 1407 00:58:42,866 --> 00:58:44,700 Do you get butterflies doing the dishes?" 1408 00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:46,033 I'm like, "No." 1409 00:58:46,033 --> 00:58:47,700 "Do you get butterflies vacuuming?" 1410 00:58:47,700 --> 00:58:49,200 I'm like, "Nope." 1411 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:50,633 She goes, "Exactly! 1412 00:58:50,633 --> 00:58:52,666 The butterflies mean that you care." 1413 00:58:52,666 --> 00:58:54,133 -Yes. -"So you always 1414 00:58:54,133 --> 00:58:55,866 want the butterflies, now just teach them 1415 00:58:55,866 --> 00:58:58,033 to fly in formation." -Mm-hmm. 1416 00:58:58,033 --> 00:59:01,133 -And I was like, oh, okay, I get it. 1417 00:59:01,133 --> 00:59:02,733 So how do I do that? 1418 00:59:02,733 --> 00:59:05,733 So she said, you know, "You wear a hairband?" 1419 00:59:05,733 --> 00:59:07,033 And I said, "Yes." 1420 00:59:07,033 --> 00:59:08,900 And she goes, "Okay, anytime you start 1421 00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:11,366 to get those negative thoughts in your brain 1422 00:59:11,366 --> 00:59:13,766 of, like, I don't belong here, 1423 00:59:13,766 --> 00:59:15,633 I stink, I'm terrible," 1424 00:59:15,633 --> 00:59:18,033 she's like, "you have a physical reminder." 1425 00:59:18,033 --> 00:59:21,700 So she goes, "Snap that hairband on your wrist to remind you 1426 00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:24,266 to snap out of it and replace it with a positive." 1427 00:59:24,266 --> 00:59:26,366 And I was like, I can do that. 1428 00:59:26,366 --> 00:59:30,900 And the crazy thing, so that physical reminder 1429 00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:34,200 means I make a mental change, and it actually worked. 1430 00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:35,866 So I literally would be on the field 1431 00:59:35,866 --> 00:59:37,366 in the middle of a game, and I'd be like, snapping. 1432 00:59:37,366 --> 00:59:39,066 -I ne-- I need to do that. 1433 00:59:39,066 --> 00:59:40,800 -Yeah, or it was like, 1434 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,033 roll up your sleeves, fix your ponytail, whatever -- 1435 00:59:43,033 --> 00:59:45,033 pull your socks up, like, whatever 1436 00:59:45,033 --> 00:59:48,900 your physical reminder is to go, no, I'm good, actually, 1437 00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:51,866 I'm gonna crush it, and you train your brain. 1438 00:59:51,866 --> 00:59:54,900 And the -- Honestly, it works. 1439 00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:57,866 -Today, athletes have really normalized talking about 1440 00:59:57,866 --> 00:59:59,866 mental health, which is going to make 1441 00:59:59,866 --> 01:00:03,800 the sports community and society stronger. 1442 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,633 I know it takes a few people 1443 01:00:05,633 --> 01:00:07,366 to inspire a new way of thinking, 1444 01:00:07,366 --> 01:00:09,700 but it takes patience, 1445 01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:12,700 commitment, and the cooperation of millions 1446 01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:16,900 to enforce and enact any kind of real change. 1447 01:00:19,633 --> 01:00:20,933 -Title IX. 1448 01:00:20,933 --> 01:00:23,766 It was an amazing thing for women, 1449 01:00:23,766 --> 01:00:27,433 not only in sports, but for women empowerment 1450 01:00:27,433 --> 01:00:29,800 to open more opportunities and possibilities. 1451 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,066 -Yes, what it's really about, 1452 01:00:32,066 --> 01:00:33,700 it's an educational amendment. 1453 01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:35,733 It was about classroom quotas. 1454 01:00:35,733 --> 01:00:37,300 For instance, if you wanted to go to Harvard 1455 01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:39,133 and get a medical degree, 1456 01:00:39,133 --> 01:00:43,200 they only allowed 5% of the classroom to be women. 1457 01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,633 -Mm-hmm. -So what happened in '72 1458 01:00:45,633 --> 01:00:47,700 is the federal government said, 1459 01:00:47,700 --> 01:00:50,200 "We're gonna send you monies, all of you get monies, 1460 01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,200 all the schools, but for the first time, 1461 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,700 you're gonna have to spend it equally on boys and girls. 1462 01:00:57,700 --> 01:00:58,966 Not just boys." 1463 01:00:58,966 --> 01:01:01,300 Even today, boys in high school... 1464 01:01:01,300 --> 01:01:03,033 -Have more opportunities. -...have more opportunities 1465 01:01:03,033 --> 01:01:05,766 than we do, and that's not right either. 1466 01:01:05,766 --> 01:01:07,266 -Mm-hmm. -It has been 1467 01:01:07,266 --> 01:01:09,366 a slow, arduous... 1468 01:01:09,366 --> 01:01:11,300 you gotta be in it for the long game. 1469 01:01:11,300 --> 01:01:12,933 If you care about change, 1470 01:01:12,933 --> 01:01:15,100 you gotta be in it for the long haul. 1471 01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:17,766 So it's better, 1472 01:01:17,766 --> 01:01:19,933 but we still have a long way to go. 1473 01:01:19,933 --> 01:01:22,433 Title IX revolutionized opportunities for women 1474 01:01:22,433 --> 01:01:25,766 and girls, but over 50 years later, 1475 01:01:25,766 --> 01:01:30,433 there are still issues with implementation and enforcement. 1476 01:01:30,433 --> 01:01:35,100 Funding for women's sports is still nowhere equal to men's, 1477 01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:36,200 and the number of 1478 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,366 college women athletes 1479 01:01:37,366 --> 01:01:39,200 is still not proportional 1480 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,633 to the ratio of 1481 01:01:40,633 --> 01:01:42,866 enrolled women in college. 1482 01:01:42,866 --> 01:01:45,666 Continuing the conversation between generations 1483 01:01:45,666 --> 01:01:48,266 is key to Title IX's continued impact 1484 01:01:48,266 --> 01:01:50,300 for generations to come. 1485 01:01:52,100 --> 01:01:55,200 -I'm curious, athletes your age, 1486 01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,100 what is their impression of Title IX, 1487 01:01:57,100 --> 01:02:02,233 and how aware are they even of what Title IX is? 1488 01:02:02,233 --> 01:02:05,266 -I think we're aware that it's, like, 1489 01:02:05,266 --> 01:02:09,166 obviously about eq-- creating equality for women. 1490 01:02:09,166 --> 01:02:13,066 Not a lot of people talk about it as much as we want them to. 1491 01:02:13,066 --> 01:02:15,166 -Yeah, they don't fully understand it. 1492 01:02:15,166 --> 01:02:18,000 -Yes. -Well, and that's the thing. 1493 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:22,333 I don't blame young girls or young boys because 1494 01:02:22,333 --> 01:02:24,000 we're not taught it in school. 1495 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,166 It should be part of our standard curriculum, 1496 01:02:27,166 --> 01:02:28,933 I think, it's one of the most profound 1497 01:02:28,933 --> 01:02:30,600 civil rights laws in this country. 1498 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,233 I didn't learn about it until I met Billie Jean King 1499 01:02:34,233 --> 01:02:36,033 and the Women's Sports Foundation. 1500 01:02:36,033 --> 01:02:38,733 -Speaking of Title IX, like, I heard that 1501 01:02:38,733 --> 01:02:41,033 you were at Stanford and they didn't offer scholarships. 1502 01:02:41,033 --> 01:02:42,766 Like, were you on scholarship? 1503 01:02:42,766 --> 01:02:44,333 -You know, I started on the national team really young, 1504 01:02:44,333 --> 01:02:46,000 16 years old, so I was already 1505 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,600 on the national team in high school. 1506 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,100 So you would think, like, okay, by today's standards, 1507 01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:52,166 if you're a national teamer... 1508 01:02:52,166 --> 01:02:54,333 -Scholarship, ready. -...you would have -- yeah, 1509 01:02:54,333 --> 01:02:57,066 you would have probably 300 universities. 1510 01:02:57,066 --> 01:02:59,100 -Yeah. -I only had, like, 1511 01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:01,566 two or three options for scholarships. 1512 01:03:01,566 --> 01:03:04,066 -Wow. -But Stanford, 1513 01:03:04,066 --> 01:03:06,500 I had always wanted to go to, but at the time, 1514 01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:08,400 they didn't have any scholarships yet. 1515 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,933 But as a kid, I had loved the academics of Stanford 1516 01:03:11,933 --> 01:03:13,233 combined with the athletics, 1517 01:03:13,233 --> 01:03:15,233 and had always wanted to go there. 1518 01:03:15,233 --> 01:03:17,333 And so the coach said, you know, "We don't have 1519 01:03:17,333 --> 01:03:20,600 any scholarships yet, but by your sophomore year, 1520 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,000 I think we'll have a scholarship." 1521 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,500 And so I turned down a full ride 1522 01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:25,233 to University of North Carolina 1523 01:03:25,233 --> 01:03:27,066 and a couple of other universities, 1524 01:03:27,066 --> 01:03:30,000 and not only did the scholarship not happen my sophomore year, 1525 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,400 it didn't happen my junior year either. 1526 01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,100 So it wasn't until my senior year, 1527 01:03:35,100 --> 01:03:37,566 Title IX passes in 1972, 1528 01:03:37,566 --> 01:03:42,100 I got the first women's soccer scholarship at Stanford in 1992. 1529 01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:44,166 -Oh, my gosh. -Yeah. 1530 01:03:44,166 --> 01:03:45,966 -That's insane. -My senior year. 1531 01:03:45,966 --> 01:03:48,166 -No, you know, it's crazy to think about it like, 1532 01:03:48,166 --> 01:03:50,933 from your perspective, because it's like, 1533 01:03:50,933 --> 01:03:54,066 I was offered a scholarship in eighth grade. 1534 01:03:54,066 --> 01:03:55,666 -See, eighth grade! -Yeah. 1535 01:03:55,666 --> 01:03:58,233 In eighth grade was when I committed to Auburn. 1536 01:03:58,233 --> 01:03:59,966 You committed to Auburn in... -Yes. 1537 01:03:59,966 --> 01:04:03,366 -See, that in itself, too, is the power of Title IX. 1538 01:04:05,333 --> 01:04:08,133 -You know, for me to be here with you, 1539 01:04:08,133 --> 01:04:09,966 and you weren't even born 1540 01:04:09,966 --> 01:04:12,533 when I was doing what I was trying to do, 1541 01:04:12,533 --> 01:04:15,533 and then I look at Title IX 1542 01:04:15,533 --> 01:04:17,333 and the difference it made in my life. 1543 01:04:17,333 --> 01:04:20,166 The law was passed when I was ten years of age, 1544 01:04:20,166 --> 01:04:23,833 and to be -- we called it a "Title IX baby." 1545 01:04:23,833 --> 01:04:26,200 And I wanted to go to UCLA 1546 01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,166 because I thought it was a great school for girls, 1547 01:04:28,166 --> 01:04:30,200 knowing that my parents couldn't afford 1548 01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,533 to send me out to California. 1549 01:04:32,533 --> 01:04:36,000 So what do you think of when Title IX is mentioned? 1550 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,533 -I feel like I didn't know about it at first, 1551 01:04:39,533 --> 01:04:42,000 which was shocking to me, because I realized how much 1552 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,133 of an effect it has on so many people's lives 1553 01:04:45,133 --> 01:04:46,966 and of course, the sporting world. 1554 01:04:46,966 --> 01:04:51,300 -And what impact did it have on your life? 1555 01:04:51,300 --> 01:04:55,566 -For me, I realize where I am right now, um, is because 1556 01:04:55,566 --> 01:04:58,133 of a lot of other women that came before me, 1557 01:04:58,133 --> 01:05:00,933 and they fought the fight that I didn't have to. 1558 01:05:00,933 --> 01:05:03,566 So for me, I feel like I will also have to fight 1559 01:05:03,566 --> 01:05:07,266 a lot of fights for the kids and the women after me. 1560 01:05:07,266 --> 01:05:10,533 And to me, that's what Title IX stands for. 1561 01:05:10,533 --> 01:05:14,566 It's women that I didn't know, 1562 01:05:14,566 --> 01:05:16,533 but they fought the fight for me, 1563 01:05:16,533 --> 01:05:20,133 and we'll just keep continuing to do the same thing. 1564 01:05:20,133 --> 01:05:24,566 -I didn't know that there was Title IX when I was in college 1565 01:05:24,566 --> 01:05:26,066 at Old Dominion. 1566 01:05:26,066 --> 01:05:29,066 I thought everybody got scholarships. 1567 01:05:29,066 --> 01:05:32,133 At what point did you realize 1568 01:05:32,133 --> 01:05:34,433 you were doing something special, 1569 01:05:34,433 --> 01:05:37,200 but it might be connected to Title IX? 1570 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,300 -I never lived in the world without Title IX. 1571 01:05:39,300 --> 01:05:42,200 We have been discriminated against for so long, 1572 01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,300 and for me to not know for such a long period 1573 01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:46,433 of time was honestly heartbreaking. 1574 01:05:46,433 --> 01:05:48,033 I don't think we talk about it enough. 1575 01:05:48,033 --> 01:05:49,766 -Like, you knew something was wrong. 1576 01:05:49,766 --> 01:05:52,600 I knew something was wrong when I found out my teammates 1577 01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,433 had slivers of scholarships, 1578 01:05:54,433 --> 01:05:56,033 but all the guys on the men's team 1579 01:05:56,033 --> 01:05:58,300 had full scholarships. -Yeah. 1580 01:05:58,300 --> 01:06:01,666 -And that's when I started hearing that word, 1581 01:06:01,666 --> 01:06:04,100 Title IX, and what it was. -Mm-hmm. 1582 01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:07,366 -And here we are, you know, so many decades apart, 1583 01:06:07,366 --> 01:06:11,600 you and I, squarely, we're in the foxhole together... 1584 01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,366 -Yeah. -For Title IX, 1585 01:06:13,366 --> 01:06:15,433 and to continuing to change 1586 01:06:15,433 --> 01:06:18,300 the lives of young people, but educate. 1587 01:06:18,300 --> 01:06:22,100 -By 1972, the women's rights movement was making 1588 01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:26,466 significant progress, including Roe v. Wade 1589 01:06:26,466 --> 01:06:30,366 and Title IX's access to education equality. 1590 01:06:30,366 --> 01:06:33,500 But there was still a prominent cultural attitude 1591 01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:36,600 that men were better than women. 1592 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,266 Then the American tennis legend Bobby Riggs called me. 1593 01:06:40,266 --> 01:06:42,100 [ Film reel whirring ] 1594 01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:44,766 -Billie, you mean to say you think I put women down? 1595 01:06:44,766 --> 01:06:47,700 Is that what you're saying that I'm doing all the time? 1596 01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:49,500 -Yes, I do, I don't think 1597 01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:52,833 you give us credit for having any brains at all. 1598 01:06:52,833 --> 01:06:54,600 -[Billie] I agreed to play Bobby Riggs 1599 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,766 in a made-for-primetime television spectacle 1600 01:06:57,766 --> 01:07:02,200 with the largest in-person audience tennis had ever seen, 1601 01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,366 plus 90 million people watching from home. 1602 01:07:05,366 --> 01:07:08,333 Make no mistake, this match was a public challenge 1603 01:07:08,333 --> 01:07:10,500 to the advancement of the feminist movement 1604 01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:12,600 by a man who publicly bragged 1605 01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:16,166 that women belonged in the bedroom and the kitchen. 1606 01:07:16,166 --> 01:07:18,166 You know, that's fine, because if that's where you're at, 1607 01:07:18,166 --> 01:07:19,933 then that's okay... 1608 01:07:19,933 --> 01:07:22,600 -Well, I get along very well with a lot of girls... 1609 01:07:24,333 --> 01:07:26,066 -Bobby had been following me around for two years, 1610 01:07:26,066 --> 01:07:27,400 I kept saying no, then he called 1611 01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,233 Chris Evert, Nancy Richey, everybody. 1612 01:07:29,233 --> 01:07:30,666 "Would you play me? Would you play me? 1613 01:07:30,666 --> 01:07:32,666 We'll make lots of money." 1614 01:07:32,666 --> 01:07:35,066 And everybody said, no, but Margaret said yes. 1615 01:07:35,066 --> 01:07:37,233 Margaret Court, the Australian tennis player, 1616 01:07:37,233 --> 01:07:40,533 was one of the best tennis players of all time. 1617 01:07:40,533 --> 01:07:43,033 She accepted Bobby's offer first... 1618 01:07:44,533 --> 01:07:47,066 but the match did not go well for her. 1619 01:07:47,066 --> 01:07:50,233 And I had told Larry, if Margaret should lose, 1620 01:07:50,233 --> 01:07:52,200 I have to play. 1621 01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:53,500 Well, she lost, badly. 1622 01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:55,333 This is what it's really all about, 1623 01:07:55,333 --> 01:07:57,200 because Bobby challenged me in the first place, 1624 01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:58,566 and I didn't wanna start an issue. 1625 01:07:58,566 --> 01:08:00,133 But now that Margaret went ahead 1626 01:08:00,133 --> 01:08:02,133 and opened the door, I can beat Bobby. 1627 01:08:02,133 --> 01:08:04,466 -What makes you think that I won't be able to psych you out 1628 01:08:04,466 --> 01:08:05,766 of the match just like I did Margaret? 1629 01:08:05,766 --> 01:08:07,266 Now, what makes you think that? 1630 01:08:07,266 --> 01:08:08,833 -I'm not Margaret Court, I love pressure. 1631 01:08:08,833 --> 01:08:10,600 You can try to psych me all you want. 1632 01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,566 You know, he's my dad's age. I kept telling, you guys, 1633 01:08:12,566 --> 01:08:14,400 this is no athletic feat for me. 1634 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,400 It means nothing from an athletic point of view, 1635 01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,600 but from a psychological... -That's it. 1636 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,500 -And changing culture. -Mm-hmm. 1637 01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:23,433 -I mean, women could not even get a credit card 1638 01:08:23,433 --> 01:08:24,900 on our own when I played him... 1639 01:08:24,900 --> 01:08:26,600 -Mm-hmm. -Without having a guy sign. 1640 01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,833 I mean, it's just these little, like, stupid things. 1641 01:08:29,833 --> 01:08:32,233 And then the chaos started. 1642 01:08:32,233 --> 01:08:34,333 -[Announcer] A wild scene almost reminiscent 1643 01:08:34,333 --> 01:08:36,300 of college football. 1644 01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:39,166 And it's hard to believe, 1645 01:08:39,166 --> 01:08:41,733 but probably more than 30,000 people are in 1646 01:08:41,733 --> 01:08:45,233 this arena for an all-time record tennis audience 1647 01:08:45,233 --> 01:08:46,600 anywhere in the world. 1648 01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,733 -Howard Cosell was horrible to me. 1649 01:08:48,733 --> 01:08:50,566 He talked about my looks only. 1650 01:08:50,566 --> 01:08:52,066 -[Howard] Billie Jean King, a very attractive young lady... 1651 01:08:52,066 --> 01:08:54,300 -[ Groans ] -And sometimes, 1652 01:08:54,300 --> 01:08:56,800 you get the feeling that, if she ever let her hair 1653 01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,233 grow down to her shoulders, took her glasses off, 1654 01:09:00,233 --> 01:09:01,700 you'd have somebody vying for a Hollywood screen test. 1655 01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:04,200 -[ Sighing ] -There she is... 1656 01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:05,833 -[Billie] Only looks, he talked about. 1657 01:09:05,833 --> 01:09:09,566 Bobby comes out, he talks about, "Oh, Hall of Famer," 1658 01:09:09,566 --> 01:09:11,466 you know, about his accomplishments. 1659 01:09:11,466 --> 01:09:13,566 -[Howard] There was, would you believe, a problem 1660 01:09:13,566 --> 01:09:16,533 about one of our announcers to be, Jack Kramer, 1661 01:09:16,533 --> 01:09:17,966 the famed tennis promoter, 1662 01:09:17,966 --> 01:09:20,533 the famed tennis player of the past. 1663 01:09:20,533 --> 01:09:23,333 Jack was to have been part of our team, 1664 01:09:23,333 --> 01:09:25,666 but it seems that Billie Jean King didn't 1665 01:09:25,666 --> 01:09:28,533 want him to be part of our announcing team. 1666 01:09:28,533 --> 01:09:30,300 -Correct. 1667 01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:32,300 ABC hired former tennis promoter 1668 01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:35,966 Jack Kramer to announce the match with Howard Cosell. 1669 01:09:35,966 --> 01:09:37,800 You might remember Jack Kramer 1670 01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:39,466 from the Pacific Southwest Tournament, 1671 01:09:39,466 --> 01:09:42,633 where he offered the male players eight times 1672 01:09:42,633 --> 01:09:44,866 the pay that he offered the women. 1673 01:09:44,866 --> 01:09:47,866 Jack's tournament offer was the final catalyst 1674 01:09:47,866 --> 01:09:50,333 for the Original 9 joining forces. 1675 01:09:50,333 --> 01:09:54,000 So Jack and I, we had real history. 1676 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,833 I knew audiences deserved to see this match 1677 01:09:56,833 --> 01:09:59,966 through the commentating of an expert who believed in 1678 01:09:59,966 --> 01:10:01,800 what we women could do. 1679 01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,366 And I knew it was the right time for me to use the leverage I had 1680 01:10:05,366 --> 01:10:07,533 earned as the number-one player in the world. 1681 01:10:07,533 --> 01:10:11,700 So I told ABC that Jack Kramer was a dealbreaker. 1682 01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:15,800 ABC agreed, but actually gave Jack Kramer airtime 1683 01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,566 to address his being replaced. 1684 01:10:17,566 --> 01:10:21,300 -But apparently Billie Jean 1685 01:10:17,566 --> 01:10:21,300 wa  \h s very serious, and she feels 1686 01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:22,833 that I'm completely opposed 1687 01:10:22,833 --> 01:10:24,466 to what she's trying to do in tennis. 1688 01:10:24,466 --> 01:10:26,366 -Correct.  -And I have to say 1689 01:10:26,366 --> 01:10:28,833 that Billie Jean's right, to ABC's credit, they said, 1690 01:10:28,833 --> 01:10:30,666 "You call the shots, Jack, we'll go along with you" 1691 01:10:30,666 --> 01:10:32,633 but I'm withdrawing voluntarily, 1692 01:10:32,633 --> 01:10:35,500 and I'm wishing 100% good luck to my pal Bobby Riggs. 1693 01:10:36,966 --> 01:10:40,400 -When I look back at this, I have to laugh. 1694 01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:44,300 This commentating is the best historical record 1695 01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:46,733 of what the male establishment thought about women. 1696 01:10:46,733 --> 01:10:50,633 -Camera, and this is our female expert tonight. 1697 01:10:50,633 --> 01:10:52,733 Recognize her? Little Rosie Casals. 1698 01:10:52,733 --> 01:10:56,166 -Ugh, God almighty. 1699 01:10:56,166 --> 01:11:00,266 Rosie Casals was one of the top players of her generation, 1700 01:11:00,266 --> 01:11:02,300 and my doubles tennis partner. 1701 01:11:02,300 --> 01:11:05,033 I just wanna point out that this is truly what it was like 1702 01:11:05,033 --> 01:11:07,700 for women in 1973. 1703 01:11:07,700 --> 01:11:09,866 Look how Howard Cosell 1704 01:11:09,866 --> 01:11:13,366 drapes his arm around Rosie's neck, 1705 01:11:13,366 --> 01:11:16,866 how he refers to her as "little Rosie Casals." 1706 01:11:16,866 --> 01:11:19,700 Can you imagine how many people saw this behavior 1707 01:11:19,700 --> 01:11:23,866 from the control room and laughed it off and said nothing? 1708 01:11:23,866 --> 01:11:26,533 This is just business as usual. 1709 01:11:26,533 --> 01:11:31,300 I am so glad I didn't see this commentating at the time. 1710 01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:34,400 On that day, all I was focused on 1711 01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:35,733 was my match 1712 01:11:35,733 --> 01:11:38,300 and my strategy to win. 1713 01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:40,033 When I was playing, everybody thought 1714 01:11:40,033 --> 01:11:41,733 I'd just serve and volley, which is my game. 1715 01:11:41,733 --> 01:11:43,766 Just go forward, forward, forward, forward. 1716 01:11:43,766 --> 01:11:46,566 And as I got to the baseline, 1717 01:11:46,566 --> 01:11:48,766 which is right before you go up to the umpire's chair, 1718 01:11:48,766 --> 01:11:50,300 I switched. 1719 01:11:50,300 --> 01:11:51,566 I could just feel it, 1720 01:11:51,566 --> 01:11:53,400 Something very intuitive came to me 1721 01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:54,866 that I was not gonna do that, 1722 01:11:54,866 --> 01:11:56,700 I was gonna hit the ball as softly as I could. 1723 01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:58,433 I was gonna stay back most of the time, 1724 01:11:58,433 --> 01:12:02,000 drop shot a lot, and also make him run, run, run. 1725 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,833 He is really tired. 1726 01:12:03,833 --> 01:12:06,833 My job is to get the ball in play 1727 01:12:06,833 --> 01:12:08,633 to give him a chance to miss. 1728 01:12:08,633 --> 01:12:10,033 I made him just run and run. 1729 01:12:10,033 --> 01:12:12,433 -[Rosie] I knew this would come to this. 1730 01:12:12,433 --> 01:12:14,633 And I knew Bobby would have to, uh, 1731 01:12:14,633 --> 01:12:17,600 come down to something like injuries... 1732 01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,433 -[Howard] Well, let me say this about Bobby Riggs, Rosie, 1733 01:12:20,433 --> 01:12:23,800 you've gotten in all your licks tonight at the guy... 1734 01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,100 -So I go like this on the shot, I go hit up. 1735 01:12:26,100 --> 01:12:28,000 I mean, he should just be able to put it away 1736 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,600 on an easy volley, he hit it right in the net. 1737 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,600 He was so tired, he couldn't get his arm up. 1738 01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,866 -[Howard] It is over. Let's watch Bobby Riggs. 1739 01:12:35,866 --> 01:12:38,100 Three straight... 1740 01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:40,800 -When he jumped over the net, 1741 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,100 he said, "I underestimated you." 1742 01:12:43,100 --> 01:12:44,633 I didn't underestimate him. 1743 01:12:44,633 --> 01:12:46,133 He was one of my heroes. 1744 01:12:46,133 --> 01:12:48,533 He was a Hall of Famer, I looked at tapes. 1745 01:12:48,533 --> 01:12:51,366 I understood him a lot better than he understood me. 1746 01:12:51,366 --> 01:12:53,433 And I think that helped me win the match, too. 1747 01:12:53,433 --> 01:12:57,800 [ Triumphant music ] 1748 01:13:05,166 --> 01:13:07,000 I bet a lot of male chauvinists 1749 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,700 aren't really proud of Bobby Riggs representing them, 1750 01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:11,066 but I'm sure I've only heard from 1751 01:13:11,066 --> 01:13:12,600 the ones that aren't proud of him. 1752 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,266 The ones who are proud of him, 1753 01:13:14,266 --> 01:13:16,400 I'm sure would go talk to him instead of talk to me. 1754 01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,566 For the women, it gave more self-confidence. 1755 01:13:24,566 --> 01:13:26,400 You know, I went and met some -- with some women. 1756 01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:30,333 They said, "We've been wanting to ask for a raise for ten years 1757 01:13:30,333 --> 01:13:31,733 and we never had the guts." 1758 01:13:31,733 --> 01:13:33,466 I said, "Well, what happened?" 1759 01:13:33,466 --> 01:13:35,233 They go, "We asked." 1760 01:13:35,233 --> 01:13:37,600 I said, "No, more importantly, did you get the raise?" 1761 01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,400 And they said, "Yes!" 1762 01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,233 And so they were so happy. 1763 01:13:41,233 --> 01:13:43,433 The men come up to me, and they're crying, usually. 1764 01:13:43,433 --> 01:13:45,733 They're actually crying, tears in their eyes. 1765 01:13:45,733 --> 01:13:47,900 And they said, "I never thought about 1766 01:13:47,900 --> 01:13:51,233 my wife, my daughters, my nieces, 1767 01:13:51,233 --> 01:13:54,133 I never really thought about it." 1768 01:13:54,133 --> 01:13:57,333 Even when I met President Obama in the Oval Office, 1769 01:13:57,333 --> 01:13:58,800 one of the first things he says to me, 1770 01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,833 "I saw that match when I was 12 years old. 1771 01:14:00,833 --> 01:14:03,300 It changed how I thought. 1772 01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:05,866 And now I have two daughters, so I know it helped me 1773 01:14:05,866 --> 01:14:08,333 raise my two daughters to be strong." 1774 01:14:08,333 --> 01:14:10,200 And I'm thinking, whoa. 1775 01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:11,566 -Yes, the impact -- -He was 12. 1776 01:14:11,566 --> 01:14:13,066 You don't know, right? -Yes. 1777 01:14:13,066 --> 01:14:15,200 -[Woman] Through her example and advocacy, 1778 01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:16,633 Billie Jean Moffitt King 1779 01:14:16,633 --> 01:14:18,233 has advanced the struggle 1780 01:14:18,233 --> 01:14:20,900 for greater gender equality around the world. 1781 01:14:20,900 --> 01:14:23,300 Her athletic acumen is matched only 1782 01:14:23,300 --> 01:14:26,466 by her unwavering defense of equal rights. 1783 01:14:26,466 --> 01:14:28,533 With Billie Jean King pushing us, 1784 01:14:28,533 --> 01:14:30,733 the road ahead will be smoother for women, 1785 01:14:30,733 --> 01:14:34,400 the future will be brighter for LGBT Americans, 1786 01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,466 and our nation's commitment to equality 1787 01:14:36,466 --> 01:14:39,300 will be stronger for all. 1788 01:14:39,300 --> 01:14:42,833 [ Applause ] 1789 01:14:45,533 --> 01:14:48,533 [ Soft music ] 1790 01:14:48,533 --> 01:14:50,533 -It has been a long, long journey, 1791 01:14:50,533 --> 01:14:51,866 and as you said, like, a lot of things 1792 01:14:51,866 --> 01:14:54,466 have changed, um, during the past years. 1793 01:14:54,466 --> 01:14:56,366 Like a lot of things, not only for women, 1794 01:14:56,366 --> 01:14:58,800 but only in terms of inclusion, like... 1795 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,433 -Everybody's aware of it now. 1796 01:15:00,433 --> 01:15:02,700 -How that journey was for you? 1797 01:15:02,700 --> 01:15:04,466 -What, to be outed? 1798 01:15:04,466 --> 01:15:07,533 I was trying to figure out my sexuality during the tour 1799 01:15:07,533 --> 01:15:09,766 in the '70s when Larry and I were married 1800 01:15:09,766 --> 01:15:11,700 and going through hell. 1801 01:15:11,700 --> 01:15:13,466 And then the people on the tour told me 1802 01:15:13,466 --> 01:15:15,533 if I talk about anything, what I'm feeling, 1803 01:15:15,533 --> 01:15:18,400 that there'd be no tour. 1804 01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,266 So that was a real easy decision. 1805 01:15:20,266 --> 01:15:22,966 Okay, I won't, then. 1806 01:15:22,966 --> 01:15:25,533 But I was going to retire and I was finally 1807 01:15:25,533 --> 01:15:26,766 gonna make some money, 1808 01:15:26,766 --> 01:15:28,466 and I got outed. 1809 01:15:28,466 --> 01:15:32,933 So I lost all my endorsements in 24 hours, except one. 1810 01:15:32,933 --> 01:15:35,800 They lowered it, which was even worse. 1811 01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,533 And then I was called "slut." I mean, I was called -- 1812 01:15:38,533 --> 01:15:41,266 you cannot imagine what I was called. 1813 01:15:41,266 --> 01:15:43,866 And I'm so happy today that doesn't happen. 1814 01:15:43,866 --> 01:15:45,966 You know, people say, "Oh, Billie, we came out 1815 01:15:45,966 --> 01:15:47,533 and I did this," and they're so happy. 1816 01:15:47,533 --> 01:15:49,033 And I'm like, yes! 1817 01:15:49,033 --> 01:15:51,433 But then it makes me think, sometimes, 1818 01:15:51,433 --> 01:15:55,633 I go back and how sad I was and how tough it was... 1819 01:15:55,633 --> 01:15:58,533 and that made me even more sensitive 1820 01:15:58,533 --> 01:16:00,800 than ever to others. -Mm-hmm. 1821 01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,833 -And that I just think everybody belongs. 1822 01:16:02,833 --> 01:16:05,466 I don't care if they're gay, I don't care if they're trans, 1823 01:16:05,466 --> 01:16:07,933 I don't care, as long as they're okay, you know? 1824 01:16:07,933 --> 01:16:10,933 But they're human beings first, that's what I care about. 1825 01:16:10,933 --> 01:16:13,766 It goes back to my 12-year-old epiphany 1826 01:16:13,766 --> 01:16:16,833 about inclusion, if you think about what I thought about then, 1827 01:16:16,833 --> 01:16:20,866 that I think everybody belongs, everybody is important. 1828 01:16:20,866 --> 01:16:22,133 -Mm-hmm. -Every human being 1829 01:16:22,133 --> 01:16:23,466 is absolutely important. 1830 01:16:23,466 --> 01:16:24,966 -Yes, I feel that, as society, 1831 01:16:24,966 --> 01:16:27,766 we're going to make a big change 1832 01:16:27,766 --> 01:16:32,366 when you got to understand that what matters is not where 1833 01:16:32,366 --> 01:16:35,366 you're from, or who you are... -No, it's not. 1834 01:16:35,366 --> 01:16:37,433 -Or if you're a man, woman. 1835 01:16:37,433 --> 01:16:39,600 If you -- Nothing matters. 1836 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,466 -It doesn't. -The only thing that matters 1837 01:16:41,466 --> 01:16:44,700 is what you have to bring to life. 1838 01:16:44,700 --> 01:16:47,533 -Inclusion has mattered to me since I was a child. 1839 01:16:47,533 --> 01:16:50,433 We can never understand inclusion 1840 01:16:50,433 --> 01:16:52,366 until we have been excluded. 1841 01:16:52,366 --> 01:16:54,866 Prioritizing inclusion 1842 01:16:54,866 --> 01:16:57,500 is about wanting more for those who are 1843 01:16:57,500 --> 01:16:59,966 often left behind or forgotten. 1844 01:16:59,966 --> 01:17:03,666 We cannot talk about inclusion without celebrating 1845 01:17:03,666 --> 01:17:06,533 Para athletes and the Paralympics. 1846 01:17:06,533 --> 01:17:10,433 Since the first Paralympics was held in 1960, 1847 01:17:10,433 --> 01:17:13,833 the Games have uniquely created a space for athletes 1848 01:17:13,833 --> 01:17:16,033 of all abilities to participate 1849 01:17:16,033 --> 01:17:19,400 and compete in the thrill of sports. 1850 01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,533 As pioneers for inclusion, 1851 01:17:21,533 --> 01:17:23,666 Para athletes and the Paralympics challenge 1852 01:17:23,666 --> 01:17:26,100 stereotypes and break down discrimination 1853 01:17:26,100 --> 01:17:29,033 towards people with disabilities. 1854 01:17:29,033 --> 01:17:32,833 Vision, courage, and imagination. 1855 01:17:32,833 --> 01:17:35,066 That is what it takes to create a world 1856 01:17:35,066 --> 01:17:39,900 that includes and welcomes all people in all spaces. 1857 01:17:39,900 --> 01:17:43,100 That includes everyone, all people. 1858 01:17:43,100 --> 01:17:45,566 Women who have wanted to become mothers 1859 01:17:45,566 --> 01:17:48,000 also have had to push to create a world where 1860 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,500 they can pursue their dreams, 1861 01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:52,666 both professionally and personally. 1862 01:17:52,666 --> 01:17:55,000 [ Soft music ] 1863 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,166 -So how did you like, balance, 1864 01:17:57,166 --> 01:17:59,600 like, motherhood with your career? 1865 01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,566 -Mmm... 1866 01:18:01,566 --> 01:18:02,933 How many days do we have for this one? 1867 01:18:02,933 --> 01:18:05,733 -[ Laughs ] 1868 01:18:05,733 --> 01:18:07,600 -Well, one, I didn't have kids 1869 01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,566 while I was playing, although, 1870 01:18:09,566 --> 01:18:13,666 the really cool thing was I was surrounded by 1871 01:18:13,666 --> 01:18:15,566 a lot of teammates who did. -Mm-hmm. 1872 01:18:15,566 --> 01:18:18,833 -And so it was fantastic to see 1873 01:18:18,833 --> 01:18:21,600 the evolution of people thinking as athletes. 1874 01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,466 You know, before we used to think as female athletes, 1875 01:18:23,466 --> 01:18:26,100 oh, we can't have kids and compete, you know? 1876 01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:29,233 I gotta retire, I gotta go and then be a mom. 1877 01:18:29,233 --> 01:18:32,166 And, you know, going back to Joy Fawcett, 1878 01:18:32,166 --> 01:18:33,933 who was a teammate of mine, she was the first one 1879 01:18:33,933 --> 01:18:35,600 to have kids on the national team, 1880 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,566 and she was like, "Why not? I'm going to have kids." 1881 01:18:37,566 --> 01:18:39,600 And she literally would pop out a kid, 1882 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,066 and then be back practicing like a month later. 1883 01:18:41,066 --> 01:18:44,000 -Oh, my God. -I was like, what? 1884 01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,733 -And would their kids come, like... 1885 01:18:45,733 --> 01:18:47,800 -Yeah, kids on the road. 1886 01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:51,233 And it was so fun because it was perspective, you know? 1887 01:18:51,233 --> 01:18:53,233 They didn't care if we'd won or lost, 1888 01:18:53,233 --> 01:18:55,800 they just wanted to be fed or loved or hugged. 1889 01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,100 And so they're playing, so we'd be, you know, 1890 01:18:58,100 --> 01:18:59,966 walking off the field and they'd be there 1891 01:18:59,966 --> 01:19:01,833 hugging you, and it was like, aww! 1892 01:19:01,833 --> 01:19:03,200 So it truly was like 1893 01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:04,966 a big family when we would travel. 1894 01:19:04,966 --> 01:19:06,666 So when Joy had kids, 1895 01:19:06,666 --> 01:19:10,533 then she gave the rest of the national team, really, 1896 01:19:10,533 --> 01:19:13,166 the courage to go, "Oh, I can do this." 1897 01:19:13,166 --> 01:19:17,533 And now, of course, we see all these fantastic examples 1898 01:19:17,533 --> 01:19:19,166 of women having kids and competing, 1899 01:19:19,166 --> 01:19:23,800 and not just in sports, but the idea of 1900 01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:25,800 you're going to be a mom, and you're going to stay home, 1901 01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,533 and you're gonna take care of the house. 1902 01:19:27,533 --> 01:19:32,133 And we're seeing the evolution in society as a whole 1903 01:19:32,133 --> 01:19:34,566 about women's roles 1904 01:19:34,566 --> 01:19:36,166 and sharing that equally with their partner. 1905 01:19:36,166 --> 01:19:37,800 -Yeah. -And also, 1906 01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:39,033 you're seeing it in women's sports, 1907 01:19:39,033 --> 01:19:40,533 which is fantastic to see. 1908 01:19:40,533 --> 01:19:43,800 -Yeah, that's incredible. 1909 01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,666 -You're going to be a mother soon... 1910 01:19:45,666 --> 01:19:47,966 [ Both laughing ] You know? 1911 01:19:47,966 --> 01:19:50,333 So how do you feel about 1912 01:19:50,333 --> 01:19:52,833 this transition that you're in? 1913 01:19:52,833 --> 01:19:54,866 -It's definitely very interesting. 1914 01:19:54,866 --> 01:19:57,866 I would feel like, for me, 1915 01:19:57,866 --> 01:20:00,566 I started to think certain things 1916 01:20:00,566 --> 01:20:03,166 that I cared a lot about before, 1917 01:20:03,166 --> 01:20:05,033 they don't matter as much. -Mmm. 1918 01:20:05,033 --> 01:20:07,233 -And not to say, like, they were trivial things. 1919 01:20:07,233 --> 01:20:09,033 But at the end of the day, 1920 01:20:09,033 --> 01:20:11,966 what matters most is my friends and my family. 1921 01:20:11,966 --> 01:20:14,300 And just being able to be around them 1922 01:20:14,300 --> 01:20:17,133 and knowing that there's like, so many things that can happen 1923 01:20:17,133 --> 01:20:19,566 in a day, and just feeling grateful 1924 01:20:19,566 --> 01:20:21,966 and being appreciative to be here, I think, 1925 01:20:21,966 --> 01:20:23,966 is really important for me. 1926 01:20:23,966 --> 01:20:26,700 And I've actually started talking to my mom a lot 1927 01:20:26,700 --> 01:20:29,533 because she kind of went through a really rough time 1928 01:20:29,533 --> 01:20:30,900 with me and my sister. 1929 01:20:30,900 --> 01:20:32,166 Not like we were bad kids... 1930 01:20:32,166 --> 01:20:34,000 -No, no... -But like, just, 1931 01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,800 we didn't have the most money, 1932 01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,800 so she was like, working, and also taking care of us. 1933 01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,300 So just being very grateful for her, I think it made me 1934 01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:44,733 appreciate my mom a lot, and her journey 1935 01:20:44,733 --> 01:20:47,133 and just seeing things from a different eye 1936 01:20:47,133 --> 01:20:50,233 that I never expected. 1937 01:20:50,233 --> 01:20:53,166 -All of us are role models for different people, 1938 01:20:53,166 --> 01:20:54,800 and then sometimes, our role model 1939 01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,500 is right in front of us who give us strength. 1940 01:20:57,500 --> 01:21:02,200 -I wanted to ask you if you had any people that inspire you. 1941 01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,033 -Yeah, I would say, when you start talking about 1942 01:21:05,033 --> 01:21:09,100 maternal rights, Allyson Felix is the quiet storm. 1943 01:21:09,100 --> 01:21:11,033 -[Billie] Allyson Felix is a role model 1944 01:21:11,033 --> 01:21:12,733 who challenged the accepted norms 1945 01:21:12,733 --> 01:21:15,133 in professional sports to make space for 1946 01:21:15,133 --> 01:21:18,800 the inclusion of women who want to become mothers. 1947 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,200 By 2019, she was one of the most decorated Americans 1948 01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:24,900 in Olympic history and the most decorated 1949 01:21:24,900 --> 01:21:27,233 Track & Field World Championship winner, 1950 01:21:27,233 --> 01:21:30,633 male or female, of all time. 1951 01:21:30,633 --> 01:21:32,300 But her influence extends 1952 01:21:32,300 --> 01:21:35,366 way beyond her contributions to sports. 1953 01:21:35,366 --> 01:21:38,700 Allyson used her voice to demand more from mothers 1954 01:21:38,700 --> 01:21:40,800 in the workplace everywhere. 1955 01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,033 In 2018, she became pregnant with her daughter 1956 01:21:44,033 --> 01:21:46,200 and kept it a secret because she was afraid 1957 01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,100 of what might happen to her career. 1958 01:21:49,100 --> 01:21:51,100 After Allyson delivered her daughter, 1959 01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:55,266 it was time to renegotiate her contract with her sponsor, Nike. 1960 01:21:55,266 --> 01:21:56,966 She was shocked to discover 1961 01:21:56,966 --> 01:22:01,266 the company proposed a 70% pay cut. 1962 01:22:01,266 --> 01:22:03,100 After all of her achievements 1963 01:22:03,100 --> 01:22:06,266 and a decade of partnership, Nike was penalizing her 1964 01:22:06,266 --> 01:22:09,000 for choosing to become a mother. 1965 01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:12,666 Allyson pushed back and asked Nike to provide her 1966 01:22:12,666 --> 01:22:15,033 with protection against financial penalties 1967 01:22:15,033 --> 01:22:17,666 tied to performance that had no regard 1968 01:22:17,666 --> 01:22:20,766 for the realities of childbirth and new motherhood. 1969 01:22:20,766 --> 01:22:24,866 She took a stand and went public with her fight in the press. 1970 01:22:24,866 --> 01:22:28,200 -I know my own experience when I decided to start a family 1971 01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,900 and not being supported, ultimately, 1972 01:22:30,900 --> 01:22:33,266 how it made me feel that I wasn't valued. 1973 01:22:33,266 --> 01:22:35,766 And so many women who came before me who struggled. 1974 01:22:35,766 --> 01:22:38,266 -[Billie] She realized if this was happening to her, 1975 01:22:38,266 --> 01:22:39,933 one of the most decorated 1976 01:22:39,933 --> 01:22:41,933 Olympic athletes in American history, 1977 01:22:41,933 --> 01:22:44,466 it was likely happening to other women, too. 1978 01:22:44,466 --> 01:22:45,966 -[Allyson] I don't think you should have to choose 1979 01:22:45,966 --> 01:22:48,833 between your profession and having a family, you know, 1980 01:22:48,833 --> 01:22:52,100 to be able to do both and be able to do both very well. 1981 01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:54,766 -[Billie] As a direct result of her activism 1982 01:22:54,766 --> 01:22:57,033 and after months of negotiations, 1983 01:22:57,033 --> 01:23:00,900 Nike and other major sponsors changed their corporate policies 1984 01:23:00,900 --> 01:23:04,400 around maternity protection, now guaranteeing athletes' 1985 01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,733 pay through and after pregnancy. 1986 01:23:07,733 --> 01:23:11,900 Allyson Felix continues to advocate for maternal rights. 1987 01:23:11,900 --> 01:23:15,133 Her willingness to speak up illustrates the continued fight 1988 01:23:15,133 --> 01:23:18,300 for equality and fair treatment for all. 1989 01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:21,133 -[Diana] I know that we still have a lot of things 1990 01:23:21,133 --> 01:23:23,000 to work on and need to fight for. 1991 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:27,033 This vision you had from since you were little, 1992 01:23:27,033 --> 01:23:30,133 where do you feel like where we are right now? 1993 01:23:30,133 --> 01:23:32,000 -Well, people are starting to invest in us. 1994 01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,066 -Right. -Okay, it's about money. 1995 01:23:34,066 --> 01:23:36,833 And men can be unbelievable allies. 1996 01:23:36,833 --> 01:23:38,366 When they care, 'cause they have -- 1997 01:23:38,366 --> 01:23:40,866 usually have more money, and they're powerful, 1998 01:23:40,866 --> 01:23:42,400 that's what happened to us. 1999 01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,133 We had many men, most of them were white, 2000 01:23:45,133 --> 01:23:46,900 allies for us. 2001 01:23:46,900 --> 01:23:49,866 Most of the time, in fact, every time we got a sponsor, 2002 01:23:49,866 --> 01:23:51,500 they also had daughters. 2003 01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:53,933 -Right. -So the first thing I always do 2004 01:23:53,933 --> 01:23:58,100 with a C.E.O. when we went for sponsorship is ask him, 2005 01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:00,300 "Tell me about your family." 2006 01:24:00,300 --> 01:24:03,233 And if he came from a family of all boys, like, 2007 01:24:03,233 --> 01:24:06,400 "Oh, I have four brothers, I have three boys," 2008 01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,500 I'm thinking, "Uh-oh, we're in trouble." 2009 01:24:08,500 --> 01:24:10,000 And we would be. 2010 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:11,500 Usually, when we got a sponsorship, 2011 01:24:11,500 --> 01:24:13,266 the C.E.O. had a daughter. 2012 01:24:13,266 --> 01:24:15,166 -Right. -Because he understands. 2013 01:24:15,166 --> 01:24:17,133 He wakes up -- I can't tell you how many guys go, 2014 01:24:17,133 --> 01:24:18,666 "I didn't have a daughter, 2015 01:24:18,666 --> 01:24:21,100 and I saw you play Bobby Riggs or whatever, 2016 01:24:21,100 --> 01:24:24,266 and then I had a daughter, and you woke me up." 2017 01:24:24,266 --> 01:24:25,933 It's like, "You woke me up. 2018 01:24:25,933 --> 01:24:28,766 I started to think about, 'God, my daughter -- 2019 01:24:28,766 --> 01:24:31,766 what am I going to do w--'" He hadn't thought about her. 2020 01:24:31,766 --> 01:24:33,733 He thought a lot, he said, about his son 2021 01:24:33,733 --> 01:24:36,966 and how he's going to raise him and take him, you know, fishing 2022 01:24:36,966 --> 01:24:39,133 and doing this and playing ball with him. 2023 01:24:39,133 --> 01:24:42,733 But he never thought about playing catch with his daughter. 2024 01:24:42,733 --> 01:24:45,500 Male allies can be found in the boardroom 2025 01:24:45,500 --> 01:24:46,800 or the living room. 2026 01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,500 Some of the most powerful stories of allyship 2027 01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:51,600 have started with the fathers and mothers 2028 01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,733 found in our own homes. 2029 01:24:54,733 --> 01:24:58,266 -I understand that maybe you had a balance beam 2030 01:24:58,266 --> 01:24:59,366 in your backyard... -Yeah. 2031 01:24:59,366 --> 01:25:01,300 -...at a young age. Is that true? 2032 01:25:01,300 --> 01:25:04,900 -Yep, when I was younger, I was always flipping around, 2033 01:25:04,900 --> 01:25:07,466 like, on the floor and on the bed and stuff. 2034 01:25:07,466 --> 01:25:10,200 So my dad decided to build me a beam out of wood, 2035 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,633 and that was the one thing that I used every single day. 2036 01:25:12,633 --> 01:25:15,000 -Was it padded, the beam? It was just, like, a wood beam? 2037 01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,966 -Yeah, it was literally -- It was just wood. 2038 01:25:16,966 --> 01:25:19,033 -Maybe that's why I wasn't a gymnast. 2039 01:25:19,033 --> 01:25:22,000 My parents never built me a balance beam in my backyard. 2040 01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:23,300 I'm gonna talk to them about that. 2041 01:25:23,300 --> 01:25:26,033 -[ Laughs ] I definitely -- It's, like, so weird. 2042 01:25:26,033 --> 01:25:27,233 I don't think I actually 2043 01:25:27,233 --> 01:25:31,233 could have done anything without that beam. 2044 01:25:31,233 --> 01:25:33,266 -Men don't realize how important they are 2045 01:25:33,266 --> 01:25:34,566 to their daughters a lot of times. 2046 01:25:34,566 --> 01:25:35,933 -Right. -They really don't. 2047 01:25:35,933 --> 01:25:37,566 And I've talked to so many men 2048 01:25:37,566 --> 01:25:39,633 that have daughters and how it changed their life 2049 01:25:39,633 --> 01:25:42,933 and how they had to rearrange their thinking because 2050 01:25:42,933 --> 01:25:45,000 they want their daughter to have as much as their son. 2051 01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,533 It's like, it's a no-brainer to them 2052 01:25:46,533 --> 01:25:47,666 once they have a daughter. 2053 01:25:47,666 --> 01:25:49,100 They go, "Of course!" 2054 01:25:49,100 --> 01:25:50,433 But before that, they said, 2055 01:25:50,433 --> 01:25:51,900 "You know, I never thought about it." 2056 01:25:51,900 --> 01:25:55,133 -I used to stay after practice, like, every day with my dad 2057 01:25:55,133 --> 01:25:57,400 at night, like, throwing the ball. 2058 01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:00,433 And I remember he told me like, "Okay, now farther." 2059 01:26:00,433 --> 01:26:02,800 -And then your mother also has to play a role in that. 2060 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,966 My mother is the reason we got 2061 01:26:04,966 --> 01:26:07,166 to a tournament or a baseball game. 2062 01:26:07,166 --> 01:26:09,233 She was like a saint. 2063 01:26:09,233 --> 01:26:13,166 -I got a lot of my inspiration from my mother. 2064 01:26:13,166 --> 01:26:16,133 Her and my dad were teenagers when they had my brother. 2065 01:26:16,133 --> 01:26:18,433 They were 14 and 16 years of age. 2066 01:26:18,433 --> 01:26:20,633 My mother wasn't able to finish high school. 2067 01:26:20,633 --> 01:26:23,600 And myself, the oldest girl, 2068 01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,700 a lot of responsibility was put on me. 2069 01:26:25,700 --> 01:26:28,533 But I got inspiration from my mother 2070 01:26:28,533 --> 01:26:32,300 because she had the strength to not give up. 2071 01:26:32,300 --> 01:26:35,433 And when people said that, "Your kids 2072 01:26:35,433 --> 01:26:37,600 and you're not going to amount to anything," 2073 01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,500 she still found a way. 2074 01:26:39,500 --> 01:26:43,600 And then, being able to see my mother go through that, 2075 01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:48,033 but then also being able to watch stories of 2076 01:26:48,033 --> 01:26:50,766 Babe Zaharias, you know, Wilma Rudolph -- 2077 01:26:50,766 --> 01:26:52,700 You know, you talk about Billie Jean King, 2078 01:26:52,700 --> 01:26:54,300 Althea Gibson. 2079 01:26:54,300 --> 01:26:55,900 You know, Zina Garrison was someone 2080 01:26:55,900 --> 01:26:59,000 that I really worked with, as well. 2081 01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:04,833 And to know that, uh, these women who inspire me -- 2082 01:27:04,833 --> 01:27:07,600 My sister-in-law, FloJo, which sometimes when 2083 01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,733 you among what we might consider greatness, 2084 01:27:10,733 --> 01:27:12,500 that they right -- our own peers, 2085 01:27:12,500 --> 01:27:14,433 that we don't recognize that. 2086 01:27:14,433 --> 01:27:17,500 [ Soft music ] 2087 01:27:17,500 --> 01:27:21,433 -My dad was dope, like, 100%, you know? 2088 01:27:21,433 --> 01:27:24,200 I remember, when I was 7 years old, 2089 01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,833 my dad watched a former Olympian, like, 2090 01:27:26,833 --> 01:27:28,533 train, as well, in the same half-pipe. 2091 01:27:28,533 --> 01:27:31,300 And my dad was like, "Chloe could do that. 2092 01:27:31,300 --> 01:27:33,066 She could be an Olympian." 2093 01:27:33,066 --> 01:27:34,533 So many people are, 2094 01:27:34,533 --> 01:27:36,166 like, telling me I shouldn't snowboard. 2095 01:27:36,166 --> 01:27:38,000 Family members like, "You shouldn't do it. 2096 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,066 You should do a..." -Why? 2097 01:27:39,066 --> 01:27:41,066 -..."girly sport," like... 2098 01:27:41,066 --> 01:27:43,100 -Cooking? -...golf, tennis. 2099 01:27:43,100 --> 01:27:44,600 My dad was like, "No, my daughter's gonna be 2100 01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,033 the best snowboarder in the world." 2101 01:27:46,033 --> 01:27:49,666 -Look at that. This is my daughter. 2102 01:27:49,666 --> 01:27:52,200 [ Triumphant music ] 2103 01:27:55,100 --> 01:27:58,333 -I think the basis of, you know, like, 2104 01:27:58,333 --> 01:28:00,433 wanting to help others is really important. 2105 01:28:00,433 --> 01:28:02,533 Sometimes, the kids will, like, 2106 01:28:02,533 --> 01:28:05,133 ask me for advice, and, um, I hope 2107 01:28:05,133 --> 01:28:07,400 they don't have to go through, like, some of the tough times 2108 01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:08,633 that I had to go through. 2109 01:28:08,633 --> 01:28:11,366 So I think that is 2110 01:28:11,366 --> 01:28:13,400 what I really would want. 2111 01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,766 I was playing tennis since I was 3 2112 01:28:15,766 --> 01:28:18,633 and I was just always with my dad and my sister, 2113 01:28:18,633 --> 01:28:21,133 playing on the courts, and we would literally 2114 01:28:21,133 --> 01:28:23,233 pack lunch and eat lunch on the courts. 2115 01:28:23,233 --> 01:28:24,600 That's how long we'd be out there. 2116 01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,566 But there was never a point in my life 2117 01:28:26,566 --> 01:28:29,800 that I never had a tennis racket in my hand. 2118 01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,800 When I was a kid, I remember seeing my dad, 2119 01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,733 uh, like, coaching us, 2120 01:28:34,733 --> 01:28:38,300 and then, randomly, like, the police would get called on him, 2121 01:28:38,300 --> 01:28:40,566 and just seeing how he had to figure that out 2122 01:28:40,566 --> 01:28:42,466 and also just have the enthusiasm 2123 01:28:42,466 --> 01:28:45,800 to tell us like, "It's all okay," and stuff like that. 2124 01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:49,200 -Wow. So, what do you think about people saying 2125 01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,000 "shut up and dribble" or "athletes shouldn't be 2126 01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,700 involved in politics"? 2127 01:28:53,700 --> 01:28:55,233 What are your thoughts? 2128 01:28:55,233 --> 01:28:58,566 -I think, to me, it doesn't really make that much sense. 2129 01:28:58,566 --> 01:29:02,266 I feel like maybe the people that say that type of stuff 2130 01:29:02,266 --> 01:29:04,133 kind of forget that we're human, too, 2131 01:29:04,133 --> 01:29:06,800 with our own opinions and our own thoughts. 2132 01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:11,966 And some of the most memorable athletic moments to me are -- 2133 01:29:11,966 --> 01:29:14,400 I don't want to say political, but, like, 2134 01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,900 they have a deeper meaning than just playing the sport. 2135 01:29:17,900 --> 01:29:21,733 -I agree with Naomi that some moments in sports history 2136 01:29:21,733 --> 01:29:25,900 do have a deeper meaning than just playing the sport. 2137 01:29:25,900 --> 01:29:31,566 In 1936, American track star Jesse Owens' mere presence 2138 01:29:31,566 --> 01:29:34,166 at the Berlin Olympics in Nazi Germany 2139 01:29:34,166 --> 01:29:36,866 brought headlines around the world. 2140 01:29:36,866 --> 01:29:39,933 Wyomia Tyus quietly honored the Black women 2141 01:29:39,933 --> 01:29:41,600 in Jim Crow-era America 2142 01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:45,800 when, at the 1968 Olympics, she wore dark running shorts 2143 01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:49,600 instead of the official white U.S. team uniform. 2144 01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:53,166 Just days later, Tommie Smith and John Carlos 2145 01:29:53,166 --> 01:29:55,366 proudly displayed the Black Power symbol 2146 01:29:55,366 --> 01:29:58,733 to illustrate solidarity with the Civil Rights Movement, 2147 01:29:58,733 --> 01:30:01,600 resulting in them being dropped from the team 2148 01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,466 and sent back to the U.S. 2149 01:30:04,466 --> 01:30:08,500 The United States itself led the boycott of the 1980 Olympics 2150 01:30:08,500 --> 01:30:10,900 in Moscow as a protest 2151 01:30:10,900 --> 01:30:13,900 against the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. 2152 01:30:13,900 --> 01:30:16,066 -And I have notified the Olympic Committee 2153 01:30:16,066 --> 01:30:20,333 that, with Soviet invading forces in Afghanistan, 2154 01:30:20,333 --> 01:30:22,766 neither the American people nor I will support 2155 01:30:22,766 --> 01:30:25,066 sending an Olympic team to Moscow. 2156 01:30:25,066 --> 01:30:27,833 [ Applause ] 2157 01:30:27,833 --> 01:30:30,566 -[Billie] And, of course, American football player 2158 01:30:30,566 --> 01:30:33,566 Colin Kaepernick, who took a knee to protest 2159 01:30:33,566 --> 01:30:35,266 police violence. 2160 01:30:35,266 --> 01:30:37,566 Athletes have often merged their humanity 2161 01:30:37,566 --> 01:30:42,333 with their public position to massive influence and effect. 2162 01:30:42,333 --> 01:30:45,500 -What gave you the idea, at the U.S. Open, you know, 2163 01:30:45,500 --> 01:30:46,966 to come up with the mask 2164 01:30:46,966 --> 01:30:50,733 and to really bring attention to the violence? 2165 01:30:50,733 --> 01:30:53,766 What gave you that strength to be able to do that? 2166 01:30:53,766 --> 01:30:56,400 -I just remember thinking, like, my first experience 2167 01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:58,633 watching Trayvon Martin, 2168 01:30:58,633 --> 01:31:00,566 just because I grew up in Florida, 2169 01:31:00,566 --> 01:31:02,466 so that really hit home a lot. 2170 01:31:02,466 --> 01:31:05,633 I just wanted to use my voice. 2171 01:31:05,633 --> 01:31:07,100 Like, there was a lot that happened, 2172 01:31:07,100 --> 01:31:09,833 it felt like, all at one time. 2173 01:31:09,833 --> 01:31:11,566 At the height of everything happening, 2174 01:31:11,566 --> 01:31:13,566 I remember watching the basketball games, 2175 01:31:13,566 --> 01:31:16,133 and all of the guys had stopped playing 2176 01:31:16,133 --> 01:31:20,000 and they had, like, these huge slogans on the court. 2177 01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,633 And I remember looking at tennis and thinking, like, 2178 01:31:22,633 --> 01:31:27,433 "Wow, we're not really doing as much as we should." 2179 01:31:27,433 --> 01:31:29,033 At the time, I didn't know I had a voice, 2180 01:31:29,033 --> 01:31:30,566 I didn't know what was gonna happen, 2181 01:31:30,566 --> 01:31:32,533 but if one person could see it, then -- 2182 01:31:32,533 --> 01:31:35,566 -[ Laughs ] Millions. -Yeah. 2183 01:31:35,566 --> 01:31:38,133 -[Billie] Naomi broadcasted that Black Lives Matter 2184 01:31:38,133 --> 01:31:40,533 as she pursued her third Grand Slam victory 2185 01:31:40,533 --> 01:31:43,133 at the 2020 U.S. Open. 2186 01:31:43,133 --> 01:31:46,300 Throughout the tournament, she sported custom black masks, 2187 01:31:46,300 --> 01:31:48,200 each bearing the name of someone 2188 01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:50,733 who was killed in a racist attack -- 2189 01:31:50,733 --> 01:31:53,466 Breonna Taylor, Elijah McClain, 2190 01:31:53,466 --> 01:31:55,200 Ahmaud Arbery, 2191 01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:56,433 Trayvon Martin, 2192 01:31:56,433 --> 01:31:57,766 George Floyd, 2193 01:31:57,766 --> 01:32:01,433 Philando Castile, and Tamir Rice. 2194 01:32:01,433 --> 01:32:04,300 She wore seven masks with seven names 2195 01:32:04,300 --> 01:32:07,166 over seven matches to raise awareness 2196 01:32:07,166 --> 01:32:09,266 and start conversations. 2197 01:32:09,266 --> 01:32:12,933 And that's exactly what she did when she won that year. 2198 01:32:12,933 --> 01:32:17,466 -I was inspired by it and I want to say thank you, 2199 01:32:17,466 --> 01:32:20,166 because some of us don't have the strength. 2200 01:32:20,166 --> 01:32:22,966 -Aww, thank you. -Yeah, amazing. 2201 01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,600 -After all these years of advocating for equality, 2202 01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,866 if there is one thing I know 2203 01:32:29,866 --> 01:32:32,933 is that real people drive change 2204 01:32:32,933 --> 01:32:37,300 and one person can inspire thousands. 2205 01:32:37,300 --> 01:32:39,766 A lot of athletes discover they have to be willing 2206 01:32:39,766 --> 01:32:44,066 to become the vehicle for change or improve conditions, 2207 01:32:44,066 --> 01:32:47,133 and that is leadership. 2208 01:32:47,133 --> 01:32:50,100 -The thing that makes me a bit crazy is that 2209 01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:51,966 it still has to be the players 2210 01:32:51,966 --> 01:32:54,000 that initiate this in anything, right? 2211 01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:55,900 For women's soccer, it's still the players 2212 01:32:55,900 --> 01:32:57,133 having to fight for it. 2213 01:32:57,133 --> 01:32:58,566 For WNBA, it's still the players. 2214 01:32:58,566 --> 01:33:01,033 For whatever sport you're in, 2215 01:33:01,033 --> 01:33:02,900 the players are having to say, "Come on." 2216 01:33:02,900 --> 01:33:04,766 -I mean, even for us, like... -Yeah. 2217 01:33:04,766 --> 01:33:07,133 -That's something that, like, a lot of athletes don't realize, 2218 01:33:07,133 --> 01:33:10,800 is, like, you're the ones actually doing the sport 2219 01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,233 and, like, you're the one that has to, like, speak up. 2220 01:33:13,233 --> 01:33:16,133 -Yeah, which is hard, though. -Yeah. 2221 01:33:16,133 --> 01:33:19,533 -Because y-- one, you're afraid of getting cut, right? 2222 01:33:19,533 --> 01:33:22,033 -Yes, I'm terrified. -Yeah, you're terrified. 2223 01:33:22,033 --> 01:33:24,533 Like, "Well, I don't wanna miss out on an Olympics 2224 01:33:24,533 --> 01:33:26,566 or a World Championship or a World Cup." 2225 01:33:26,566 --> 01:33:29,366 And that's where that moment 2226 01:33:29,366 --> 01:33:32,866 of Billie Jean saying, "No, you have the power, 2227 01:33:32,866 --> 01:33:35,066 and if you get the whole team together, 2228 01:33:35,066 --> 01:33:36,933 they're not gonna cut you." 2229 01:33:36,933 --> 01:33:39,933 -[Naomi] I know that Venus did a lot, as well, 2230 01:33:39,933 --> 01:33:42,100 in the fight for equal pay, 2231 01:33:42,100 --> 01:33:45,033 and that's something that I'll always be grateful for her to, 2232 01:33:45,033 --> 01:33:48,800 because I don't think people know that, necessarily, 2233 01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:52,533 but she'll always want to fight for the players, 2234 01:33:52,533 --> 01:33:54,800 and I think that that's really incredible. 2235 01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:56,966 -The road to equal pay in women's tennis 2236 01:33:56,966 --> 01:33:58,900 continues to be a rocky one. 2237 01:33:58,900 --> 01:34:02,333 In 1973, I helped push the U.S. Open to award 2238 01:34:02,333 --> 01:34:04,200 equal prize money to women. 2239 01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:06,766 But it would take 11 more years 2240 01:34:06,766 --> 01:34:08,700 for the Australian Open to get on board 2241 01:34:08,700 --> 01:34:11,000 and 34 more years 2242 01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:15,466 before Wimbledon and the French Open followed suit. 2243 01:34:15,466 --> 01:34:17,766 Ultimately, it was Venus Williams who said, 2244 01:34:17,766 --> 01:34:19,700 "Enough is enough." 2245 01:34:21,566 --> 01:34:25,600 In 2000, Venus won Wimbledon women's championship title, 2246 01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,066 and just one day later, 2247 01:34:27,066 --> 01:34:29,166 Pete Sampras won the men's title. 2248 01:34:29,166 --> 01:34:32,100 But Pete earned $20,000 more. 2249 01:34:32,100 --> 01:34:33,933 The pay discrepancy for the same title 2250 01:34:33,933 --> 01:34:37,233 at the same event made no sense to Venus. 2251 01:34:37,233 --> 01:34:39,833 She was determined, and nothing less than 2252 01:34:39,833 --> 01:34:42,100 full equality would do. 2253 01:34:42,100 --> 01:34:45,233 In 2005, the night before she played and won 2254 01:34:45,233 --> 01:34:47,566 that year's Wimbledon, Venus spoke before 2255 01:34:47,566 --> 01:34:49,000 the Grand Slam Committee 2256 01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,566 and laid out her case for equal prize money. 2257 01:34:51,566 --> 01:34:53,233 But when nothing changed, 2258 01:34:53,233 --> 01:34:55,900 in 2006, Venus wrote a column 2259 01:34:55,900 --> 01:34:58,600 in the U.K. newspaper  The Times. 2260 01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:02,666 Williams wrote, "Wimbledon has sent me a message. 2261 01:35:02,666 --> 01:35:05,633 I am only a second-class champion. 2262 01:35:05,633 --> 01:35:08,633 The message I'd like to convey to women and girls across 2263 01:35:08,633 --> 01:35:11,800 the globe is that there is no glass ceiling. 2264 01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:14,033 My fear is that Wimbledon 2265 01:35:14,033 --> 01:35:18,300 is loudly and clearly sending the opposite message." 2266 01:35:18,300 --> 01:35:20,633 Venus' words finally broke through, 2267 01:35:20,633 --> 01:35:23,200 and the following February, Wimbledon announced it 2268 01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:24,966 would offer equal prize money 2269 01:35:24,966 --> 01:35:28,300 for the first time in its 130-year history. 2270 01:35:28,300 --> 01:35:32,833 And in 2007, when Williams won Wimbledon again, 2271 01:35:32,833 --> 01:35:36,166 she became the first woman to collect an equal-sized check 2272 01:35:36,166 --> 01:35:38,666 as her male counterpart. 2273 01:35:38,666 --> 01:35:40,600 Responding to the changing times, 2274 01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,633 the French Open joined Wimbledon the same year 2275 01:35:43,633 --> 01:35:45,600 and offered equal prize money. 2276 01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:47,866 But they were the last Grand Slam tennis tournament 2277 01:35:47,866 --> 01:35:49,700 to do so. 2278 01:35:49,700 --> 01:35:54,400 Equal prize money may seem simple, logical, and fair now, 2279 01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:58,800 but it took 34 years to achieve that parity in women's tennis. 2280 01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,633 And it took Venus' persistent efforts 2281 01:36:01,633 --> 01:36:03,966 to finally make it happen. 2282 01:36:03,966 --> 01:36:06,233 -To me, I'm always thinking, like, "Wow. 2283 01:36:06,233 --> 01:36:08,033 I hope, like, you know, maybe one day, 2284 01:36:08,033 --> 01:36:10,300 I can help other players like that, too." 2285 01:36:10,300 --> 01:36:14,366 -But your voice give others the voice, too, to stand up. 2286 01:36:14,366 --> 01:36:19,766 When you're talking about a sport that is privileged, 2287 01:36:19,766 --> 01:36:22,700 you know, and you all are standing up 2288 01:36:22,700 --> 01:36:26,400 and fighting for those who can't fight for themselves. 2289 01:36:28,566 --> 01:36:31,733 -[Julie] I think our success came from a place of 2290 01:36:31,733 --> 01:36:34,133 we just want what's better for the sport, 2291 01:36:34,133 --> 01:36:36,200 not for what you're gonna gain out of this, 2292 01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:38,800 because in the end, it's really for the next group. 2293 01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:40,333 What do you want for them? 2294 01:36:40,333 --> 01:36:43,266 -Like, one thing I, like, stand by is, like, 2295 01:36:43,266 --> 01:36:45,366 leaving it better than I found it. 2296 01:36:45,366 --> 01:36:46,900 -Yeah. -Yeah. 2297 01:36:46,900 --> 01:36:51,466 -You know, we actually made it a team rule that 2298 01:36:51,466 --> 01:36:54,266 when the captains would go in for meetings, 2299 01:36:54,266 --> 01:36:57,200 so me and Carla Overbeck at the time, 2300 01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,366 we would bring in a middle generation 2301 01:36:59,366 --> 01:37:01,133 and a younger generation, as well. 2302 01:37:01,133 --> 01:37:02,766 So if we were the veterans, 2303 01:37:02,766 --> 01:37:04,333 we'd always bring in, like, younger people. 2304 01:37:04,333 --> 01:37:05,433 -Mm-hmm. 2305 01:37:05,433 --> 01:37:06,766 -So, my role now is, I've gotta 2306 01:37:06,766 --> 01:37:08,433 mentor you to carry this over the line, eventually. 2307 01:37:08,433 --> 01:37:09,733 -Yes. 2308 01:37:09,733 --> 01:37:11,866 -And what's great is, you know, we say, "Keep running. 2309 01:37:11,866 --> 01:37:14,233 You keep running. You sprint." 2310 01:37:14,233 --> 01:37:16,066 And they just took off, right? 2311 01:37:17,366 --> 01:37:19,666 -[Nancy] I'm really super proud of you. 2312 01:37:19,666 --> 01:37:22,133 I've watched you, I've seen you perform, 2313 01:37:22,133 --> 01:37:26,200 I've seen you on the podium, and, like, I didn't know you, 2314 01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:27,900 but I was really, really proud of you. 2315 01:37:27,900 --> 01:37:29,966 Like, I hope you make a billion dollars. 2316 01:37:29,966 --> 01:37:32,166 -Thank you. -I really do. 2317 01:37:32,166 --> 01:37:34,000 If you make a billion, somebody else is gonna 2318 01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:35,133 make $2 billion. 2319 01:37:35,133 --> 01:37:36,400 -Yes. 2320 01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,100 -There's a 3-year-old who's gonna do what you do 2321 01:37:39,100 --> 01:37:40,933 because you set the plate for greatness, 2322 01:37:40,933 --> 01:37:43,166 for endorsements, for opportunities. 2323 01:37:43,166 --> 01:37:45,233 -It's really cool seeing it happen. 2324 01:37:45,233 --> 01:37:48,433 I'm not competing this season, but there's three young girls, 2325 01:37:48,433 --> 01:37:50,866 all of them watched me growing up, 2326 01:37:50,866 --> 01:37:52,333 and they are killing it. 2327 01:37:52,333 --> 01:37:54,266 And they have so many opportunities. 2328 01:37:54,266 --> 01:37:56,400 Like, all these brands are sponsoring them. 2329 01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:57,933 And, you know, I've already gotten so many questions, 2330 01:37:57,933 --> 01:37:59,500 like, "Oh, are you nervous? 2331 01:37:59,500 --> 01:38:01,200 Are you scared that you're gonna get overthrown?" 2332 01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:02,866 I hope so! 2333 01:38:02,866 --> 01:38:05,500 -Right, it's -- -I hope these young girls 2334 01:38:05,500 --> 01:38:09,366 surpass me one day, and they probably will very soon. 2335 01:38:09,366 --> 01:38:11,266 But it's not -- I'm not angry about it. 2336 01:38:11,266 --> 01:38:12,933 I'm not nervous about it. This is what I want. 2337 01:38:12,933 --> 01:38:14,633 This is what I worked for. 2338 01:38:14,633 --> 01:38:16,766 I wanted young girls to see 2339 01:38:16,766 --> 01:38:18,800 that anything was possible for them. 2340 01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,000 -So, you know you're a pioneer, right? 2341 01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,400 A pioneer doesn't have to be 64. 2342 01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:26,066 A pioneer can be 22, 2343 01:38:26,066 --> 01:38:30,066 because it's the evolution of where the game is now, 2344 01:38:30,066 --> 01:38:31,900 where the sport is now. 2345 01:38:31,900 --> 01:38:34,433 So you're setting the plate 2346 01:38:34,433 --> 01:38:38,000 for the next generation and the next generation. 2347 01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,233 -[Billie] Each generation builds on the progress 2348 01:38:40,233 --> 01:38:42,066 of the previous generation, 2349 01:38:42,066 --> 01:38:45,833 and the U.S. soccer team is living proof of that progress. 2350 01:38:45,833 --> 01:38:48,233 Their determination and perseverance 2351 01:38:48,233 --> 01:38:50,833 changed the game for soccer in America 2352 01:38:50,833 --> 01:38:54,500 from an unknown, unrecognized 1991 team 2353 01:38:54,500 --> 01:38:58,400 to the strategic powerhouse of the 2017 team. 2354 01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:00,933 The women of soccer worked together 2355 01:39:00,933 --> 01:39:03,133 to finally demand equal pay. 2356 01:39:03,133 --> 01:39:06,433 On International Women's Day in March 2019, 2357 01:39:06,433 --> 01:39:09,300 the United States Women's National Soccer Team 2358 01:39:09,300 --> 01:39:12,300 shocked the world when they announced that they were suing 2359 01:39:12,300 --> 01:39:15,633 their employers for gender discrimination. 2360 01:39:15,633 --> 01:39:19,300 It was a bold, history-making move that set off a firestorm 2361 01:39:19,300 --> 01:39:21,400 in the wider world of sports 2362 01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,266 and drew international attention, 2363 01:39:23,266 --> 01:39:25,700 prompting fans to chant "Equal pay!" 2364 01:39:25,700 --> 01:39:28,900 when the U.S. team won the Women's World Cup final 2365 01:39:28,900 --> 01:39:30,200 in France that year. 2366 01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:32,166 -The strength of unequal pay 2367 01:39:32,166 --> 01:39:34,100 rests on the notion of unequal value. 2368 01:39:34,100 --> 01:39:36,433 -[Billie] Players were asking to be paid the same 2369 01:39:36,433 --> 01:39:39,066 as their male counterparts, even though their team 2370 01:39:39,066 --> 01:39:41,633 was performing better than the men's. 2371 01:39:41,633 --> 01:39:43,900 The women's soccer team had better success 2372 01:39:43,900 --> 01:39:46,266 at the World Cup and at the Olympics, 2373 01:39:46,266 --> 01:39:48,566 another event they'd won four times 2374 01:39:48,566 --> 01:39:50,400 to the men's team's zero times. 2375 01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,566 -[Megan Rapinoe] I've helped, along with all my teammates, 2376 01:39:52,566 --> 01:39:54,566 win four World Cup championships 2377 01:39:54,566 --> 01:39:57,766 and four Olympic gold medals for the United States. 2378 01:39:57,766 --> 01:40:01,433 And despite those wins, I've been devalued, 2379 01:40:01,433 --> 01:40:03,700 I've been disrespected, 2380 01:40:03,700 --> 01:40:06,233 and dismissed because I am a woman. 2381 01:40:06,233 --> 01:40:09,400 And I've been told that I don't deserve any more 2382 01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:11,866 than less because I am a woman. 2383 01:40:11,866 --> 01:40:15,266 -[Billie] The team generated more revenue than the men. 2384 01:40:15,266 --> 01:40:19,400 They played in worse conditions, but ultimately won more games. 2385 01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,900 But the men's side got more money to show up for games, 2386 01:40:22,900 --> 01:40:24,833 more money when they'd win, 2387 01:40:24,833 --> 01:40:27,566 more money when they qualified for the World Cup, 2388 01:40:27,566 --> 01:40:29,966 and even more money once they got there. 2389 01:40:29,966 --> 01:40:33,033 The men also received five-star hotels, 2390 01:40:33,033 --> 01:40:35,766 charter flights, marketing, training, 2391 01:40:35,766 --> 01:40:37,533 and better fields. 2392 01:40:37,533 --> 01:40:40,833 Finally, in February 2022, 2393 01:40:40,833 --> 01:40:42,500 the two sides settled the lawsuit, 2394 01:40:42,500 --> 01:40:44,900 and U.S. Soccer agreed to pay the women 2395 01:40:44,900 --> 01:40:48,233 a record $22 million in back pay. 2396 01:40:49,066 --> 01:40:52,166 The new agreement ensures that, for the first time, 2397 01:40:52,166 --> 01:40:54,900 true pay equity has been achieved in the sport 2398 01:40:54,900 --> 01:40:56,533 on a national level. 2399 01:40:56,533 --> 01:40:59,633 -Equal work deserves equal pay. 2400 01:40:59,633 --> 01:41:01,566 -[Billie] The men and women's sides will receive 2401 01:41:01,566 --> 01:41:04,333 equal appearance fees and match bonuses, 2402 01:41:04,333 --> 01:41:05,633 equal revenue from 2403 01:41:05,633 --> 01:41:07,500 the ticket sales and merchandise, 2404 01:41:07,500 --> 01:41:10,300 equal playing conditions, travel arrangements, 2405 01:41:10,300 --> 01:41:11,633 training facilities, 2406 01:41:11,633 --> 01:41:13,566 and, most notably, they'll split their 2407 01:41:13,566 --> 01:41:15,933 FIFA World Cup prize money equally. 2408 01:41:15,933 --> 01:41:19,200 They are the first national team to achieve this 2409 01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:20,866 in the history of the sport, 2410 01:41:20,866 --> 01:41:23,300 and it is inspiring other athletes 2411 01:41:23,300 --> 01:41:25,300 in other sports to know their worth 2412 01:41:25,300 --> 01:41:27,466 and fight for it. 2413 01:41:27,466 --> 01:41:29,866 Boys are taught to be brave, 2414 01:41:29,866 --> 01:41:31,400 and girls are taught to be perfect. 2415 01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:32,633 -Right. 2416 01:41:32,633 --> 01:41:34,266 -And that's where a lot of our self-confidence -- 2417 01:41:34,266 --> 01:41:36,466 lack of self confidence -- comes from, 2418 01:41:36,466 --> 01:41:39,133 because nobody can be perfect. 2419 01:41:39,133 --> 01:41:40,966 And to the men and boys, 2420 01:41:40,966 --> 01:41:42,300 you can't be brave all the time, 2421 01:41:42,300 --> 01:41:44,133 and that's not right either. 2422 01:41:44,133 --> 01:41:47,000 So it's -- We've gotta be socialized differently. 2423 01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,333 But women's sports is allowing girls 2424 01:41:49,333 --> 01:41:51,266 to be socialized differently. 2425 01:41:51,266 --> 01:41:53,966 Girls are taught not to ask for what we want and need. 2426 01:41:53,966 --> 01:41:55,000 -Mm-hmm. 2427 01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:56,833 -Ask for what you want and need. 2428 01:41:56,833 --> 01:41:59,133 -Show up. -Show up, right. 2429 01:41:59,133 --> 01:42:01,033 Gotta show up and speak up. 2430 01:42:01,033 --> 01:42:03,000 [ Upbeat music ] 2431 01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:05,366 -When I talk to my son, TJ, 2432 01:42:05,366 --> 01:42:07,733 who's 28, and he's a professional athlete, 2433 01:42:07,733 --> 01:42:11,200 he'll say to me, "Mom, sometimes you're so aggressive." 2434 01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:14,433 And I said, "TJ, I had to be aggressive 2435 01:42:14,433 --> 01:42:18,366 for the next generation of women 2436 01:42:18,366 --> 01:42:21,533 so they could be at peace to do their job." 2437 01:42:21,533 --> 01:42:24,900 My personality is strong, 2438 01:42:24,900 --> 01:42:27,733 and I don't think, in many cases, 2439 01:42:27,733 --> 01:42:31,366 I should be told not to have a strong personality 2440 01:42:31,366 --> 01:42:33,433 or strong belief system, 2441 01:42:33,433 --> 01:42:36,233 because men who have a strong belief system 2442 01:42:36,233 --> 01:42:37,700 are shining stars. 2443 01:42:37,700 --> 01:42:39,166 They're silver bullets. 2444 01:42:39,166 --> 01:42:43,533 And we women who are strong or say, "I'm gonna win the gold," 2445 01:42:43,533 --> 01:42:46,366 "Oh, my gosh, she's -- What an egomaniac." 2446 01:42:46,366 --> 01:42:48,233 No, you feel that you're going to win the gold. 2447 01:42:48,233 --> 01:42:49,333 -Mm-hmm. 2448 01:42:49,333 --> 01:42:51,633 -I feel that I can win a championship. 2449 01:42:51,633 --> 01:42:53,300 If somebody said, "Chloe, Nancy, 2450 01:42:53,300 --> 01:42:55,233 are you guys great at what you did or what you do?", 2451 01:42:55,233 --> 01:42:58,400 and I would say "yes." 2452 01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:01,000 Why would I say "no"? 2453 01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:03,166 But some people take offense to that. 2454 01:43:03,166 --> 01:43:06,733 Like, "How arrogant are they?" And that's what bothers me. 2455 01:43:06,733 --> 01:43:09,633 Accomplished women in business, in sports, 2456 01:43:09,633 --> 01:43:11,866 in life, they're so arrogant. 2457 01:43:11,866 --> 01:43:13,733 Why can't we just be we're such achievers 2458 01:43:13,733 --> 01:43:16,133 because we work so hard? 2459 01:43:16,133 --> 01:43:17,700 -[Chloe] It didn't come easy to me. 2460 01:43:17,700 --> 01:43:19,766 I put in the blood, sweat, and tears to get there. 2461 01:43:19,766 --> 01:43:21,633 -[Nancy] And sacrifice. -And sacrifice. 2462 01:43:21,633 --> 01:43:23,200 I sacrificed most of my childhood. 2463 01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:24,833 I didn't go to school. I was homeschooled. 2464 01:43:24,833 --> 01:43:27,600 I finished high school in two and a half, three years 2465 01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:29,266 so that I could focus on the Olympics. 2466 01:43:29,266 --> 01:43:31,833 I hustled, so, yeah, I'm going to be confident. 2467 01:43:31,833 --> 01:43:34,633 I'm going to think I'm... I'm the best because I am. 2468 01:43:34,633 --> 01:43:36,366 I worked to be the best. 2469 01:43:36,366 --> 01:43:38,300 And that's why we're here today. 2470 01:43:38,300 --> 01:43:40,200 [ Upbeat music ] 2471 01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:43,400 -[Billie] For this generation, working to be the best in 2472 01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:46,300 the world is starting to pay off financially, 2473 01:43:46,300 --> 01:43:48,800 and the media is finally catching on 2474 01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:52,233 to just how popular women's sports can be. 2475 01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,200 The thing where all the money is today is media rights, 2476 01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:58,533 and men have all the media rights, 2477 01:43:58,533 --> 01:44:00,266 not women's sports. 2478 01:44:00,266 --> 01:44:05,166 Women's basketball at the NCAA they used to throw in as free. 2479 01:44:05,166 --> 01:44:06,966 This year, for the first time, they're gonna start really 2480 01:44:06,966 --> 01:44:09,500 trying to get media rights, 2481 01:44:09,500 --> 01:44:11,566 and the interest is just going through the roof. 2482 01:44:11,566 --> 01:44:14,333 They have never really gone out and tried to sell media rights 2483 01:44:14,333 --> 01:44:16,700 for the women's basketball on its own. 2484 01:44:16,700 --> 01:44:18,700 -Forever, we have said 2485 01:44:18,700 --> 01:44:21,966 that you're missing out on all this potential. 2486 01:44:21,966 --> 01:44:23,366 There's all these fans out there 2487 01:44:23,366 --> 01:44:26,366 that would consume it if you actually put it out there. 2488 01:44:26,366 --> 01:44:28,700 And I know I'm not the only athlete that's said that. 2489 01:44:28,700 --> 01:44:30,533 Every sport has said that, right? 2490 01:44:30,533 --> 01:44:32,833 Going back to my generation of, "Why aren't we covering this? 2491 01:44:32,833 --> 01:44:34,666 Why aren't you showing this on TV? 2492 01:44:34,666 --> 01:44:36,833 Put it on a, you know, a slot where people will watch it. 2493 01:44:36,833 --> 01:44:38,766 Put it on a network where people will watch it." 2494 01:44:38,766 --> 01:44:41,500 And, you know, the '99 World Cup 2495 01:44:41,500 --> 01:44:43,700 showed when you actually put it on TV and 2496 01:44:43,700 --> 01:44:46,500 you go to big stadiums and you market it 2497 01:44:46,500 --> 01:44:49,700 and you water the garden, it actually blooms, right? 2498 01:44:49,700 --> 01:44:51,366 People will show up. -Yes. 2499 01:44:51,366 --> 01:44:53,533 -It's this amazing effect of when you market it 2500 01:44:53,533 --> 01:44:55,833 and pay attention to something, people come. 2501 01:44:55,833 --> 01:44:59,733 I saw a video of you, um, performing a perfect 10, 2502 01:44:59,733 --> 01:45:02,233 and you, like, stuck this landing. 2503 01:45:02,233 --> 01:45:03,733 -[Announcer] She has the technique, 2504 01:45:03,733 --> 01:45:06,466 the difficulty, the superb amplitude. 2505 01:45:06,466 --> 01:45:07,900 What does she not have? 2506 01:45:07,900 --> 01:45:09,266 -[Announcer 2] She has more difficulty 2507 01:45:09,266 --> 01:45:10,900 than everybody put together. 2508 01:45:10,900 --> 01:45:12,900 In a class all by itself. 2509 01:45:12,900 --> 01:45:15,266 [ Crowd cheering ] 2510 01:45:15,266 --> 01:45:18,100 -[Announcer] Put your pencils down, Judges. 2511 01:45:18,100 --> 01:45:20,366 -[Julie] It's a huge gym. How many can you fit there? 2512 01:45:20,366 --> 01:45:23,466 -I think it holds about like 10,000? 2513 01:45:23,466 --> 01:45:26,166 -Yeah, it was packed, and the place just roared. 2514 01:45:26,166 --> 01:45:27,500 -[ Laughs ] 2515 01:45:27,500 --> 01:45:30,733 -So that potential we've known for so long is there. 2516 01:45:30,733 --> 01:45:35,633 It's interesting to me that it's now exploding in every sport. 2517 01:45:35,633 --> 01:45:38,466 As you were saying, Auburn -- packed stadiums, right? 2518 01:45:38,466 --> 01:45:41,400 WNBA, we're seeing large numbers. 2519 01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:43,800 NWSL ownership going through the roof 2520 01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:45,900 in terms of numbers and attendance. 2521 01:45:45,900 --> 01:45:48,400 Women's soccer, I mean, all these different sports. 2522 01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:50,400 March Madness, their basketball numbers. 2523 01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:52,933 -Yeah. -9.9 million. It's crazy. 2524 01:45:52,933 --> 01:45:54,400 -It's really incredible to see, like, 2525 01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:56,400 the evolution of all of it. 2526 01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:58,433 And I think I'm more excited because it's only going to 2527 01:45:58,433 --> 01:46:00,466 continue to get better. -Oh, yeah. 2528 01:46:00,466 --> 01:46:02,966 It's gonna be changed in so many different fronts 2529 01:46:02,966 --> 01:46:06,733 in terms of support and attendance 2530 01:46:06,733 --> 01:46:08,866 and viewership, and all those numbers 2531 01:46:08,866 --> 01:46:12,166 are all toggling in this, like, skyrocketing fashion. 2532 01:46:12,166 --> 01:46:13,866 It's going to be fun for you guys. 2533 01:46:13,866 --> 01:46:16,533 I'm fascinated, all of the NIL stuff, 2534 01:46:16,533 --> 01:46:18,800 name, image, and likeness, that's happening 2535 01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:20,900 with college athletes and their ability, finally, 2536 01:46:20,900 --> 01:46:24,533 to make money, men and women, and how that affects you. 2537 01:46:24,533 --> 01:46:26,966 -It definitely has impacted a lot, 2538 01:46:26,966 --> 01:46:31,033 because I wouldn't be in college right now if it wasn't for NIL. 2539 01:46:31,033 --> 01:46:34,166 -[Billie] In the simplest of terms, NIL, 2540 01:46:34,166 --> 01:46:37,566 name, image, and likeness, describes how college athletes 2541 01:46:37,566 --> 01:46:40,666 are allowed to receive financial compensation. 2542 01:46:40,666 --> 01:46:43,333 It is the workaround for athletes to get paid 2543 01:46:43,333 --> 01:46:44,966 without technically being considered 2544 01:46:44,966 --> 01:46:46,800 "professional athletes." 2545 01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:50,800 NCAA rules still prevent schools from paying players directly, 2546 01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,333 but they can receive gifts from boosters, 2547 01:46:53,333 --> 01:46:56,666 make deals with companies, and endorse products. 2548 01:46:56,666 --> 01:46:59,500 The new guidelines provide a loose gray area 2549 01:46:59,500 --> 01:47:03,033 that is still being interpreted by lawyers and athletes alike. 2550 01:47:03,033 --> 01:47:05,633 As of now, the NCAA has stated 2551 01:47:05,633 --> 01:47:07,700 that the current rules are temporary 2552 01:47:07,700 --> 01:47:09,866 until Congress creates national laws 2553 01:47:09,866 --> 01:47:12,600 and regulations around NIL. 2554 01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:15,533 Although NIL was initially thought to mostly benefit 2555 01:47:15,533 --> 01:47:17,766 male athletes, the female athletes have 2556 01:47:17,766 --> 01:47:20,400 benefited even more, with Olivia Dunne, 2557 01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:25,100 an LSU gymnast, topping the list of highest-paid NIL earners. 2558 01:47:25,100 --> 01:47:29,466 These new rules have created a modern-day Wild West situation 2559 01:47:29,466 --> 01:47:30,866 with everyone looking to find 2560 01:47:30,866 --> 01:47:33,566 where exactly the line in the sand is 2561 01:47:33,566 --> 01:47:36,400 and what might happen when they cross it. 2562 01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:38,266 It's no longer a question ofshould 2563 01:47:38,266 --> 01:47:41,166 college athletes be paid, buthow. 2564 01:47:42,566 --> 01:47:44,933 -With the NIL exploding... 2565 01:47:44,933 --> 01:47:46,766 -Mm-hmm. -...the flip side of it 2566 01:47:46,766 --> 01:47:49,033 is some will say, "Oh, it's the Wild Wild West," right? 2567 01:47:49,033 --> 01:47:52,133 Like, some athletes are just choosing universities 2568 01:47:52,133 --> 01:47:53,466 because they're paying them more. 2569 01:47:53,466 --> 01:47:55,366 -Yeah. -Do you agree with that? 2570 01:47:55,366 --> 01:47:57,933 Disagree with that? And do you think that's a downside of it? 2571 01:47:57,933 --> 01:48:01,533 Because you do see some instances with, for example, 2572 01:48:01,533 --> 01:48:04,766 a male quarterback who, you know, whatever school 2573 01:48:04,766 --> 01:48:08,600 he's kind of toggling between is, like, this bidding war, 2574 01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:09,833 which I think takes away some of 2575 01:48:09,833 --> 01:48:11,500 the authenticity around collegiate sports. 2576 01:48:11,500 --> 01:48:13,966 -Yeah, I definitely think so, because it's, like, unfair, 2577 01:48:13,966 --> 01:48:15,633 and it can be biased. 2578 01:48:15,633 --> 01:48:17,933 And that's the one thing I don't like about NIL. 2579 01:48:17,933 --> 01:48:20,100 But, I mean, I wouldn't be where I am without it. 2580 01:48:20,100 --> 01:48:22,433 -Yeah. I do like that 2581 01:48:22,433 --> 01:48:25,100 that it's given a lot of -- of women 2582 01:48:25,100 --> 01:48:28,366 the ability to make a little bit more money, 2583 01:48:28,366 --> 01:48:30,700 especially, you know, because you have a lot of 2584 01:48:30,700 --> 01:48:34,433 female athletes who are like, "Should I go pro?" 2585 01:48:34,433 --> 01:48:37,433 And you're seeing that -- You know, before, it was like, 2586 01:48:37,433 --> 01:48:39,333 "Oh, I need to go make some money. 2587 01:48:39,333 --> 01:48:41,666 If I can get a big deal, I'm going to leave school," 2588 01:48:41,666 --> 01:48:43,433 which I never think is a good idea. 2589 01:48:43,433 --> 01:48:45,266 I would want my kid to finish school if they could, right? 2590 01:48:45,266 --> 01:48:49,033 You're actually seeing some athletes stay in longer... 2591 01:48:49,033 --> 01:48:51,433 -Yeah. -...because they can now make... 2592 01:48:51,433 --> 01:48:53,966 -More money than even being pro. 2593 01:48:53,966 --> 01:48:55,800 -Yeah, than even being pro. 2594 01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:57,600 And so they stay in school longer, 2595 01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:59,666 which I -- I don't think there's a downside to that, right? 2596 01:48:59,666 --> 01:49:01,400 -No. -And enjoying your... 2597 01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:03,500 -It's actually really exciting, too, and I think 2598 01:49:03,500 --> 01:49:07,166 it just shines a lot more light on women's sports in general, 2599 01:49:07,166 --> 01:49:09,300 which is incredible. 2600 01:49:09,300 --> 01:49:11,100 [ Upbeat music ] 2601 01:49:11,100 --> 01:49:13,366 -So, talking about, like, the progress. 2602 01:49:13,366 --> 01:49:15,600 -Yes? -Where do you think, like, 2603 01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:19,166 we are standing right now in terms of what's missing to do? 2604 01:49:19,166 --> 01:49:21,700 What still we have to work on? 2605 01:49:21,700 --> 01:49:24,700 -I think it's gonna take over 150 to 200 years to get equal, 2606 01:49:24,700 --> 01:49:26,666 but every generation has to, 2607 01:49:26,666 --> 01:49:29,100 you know, push the envelope forward 2608 01:49:29,100 --> 01:49:31,700 and pass the baton forward, like a relay race. 2609 01:49:31,700 --> 01:49:34,333 Just keep passing that baton, each generation. 2610 01:49:34,333 --> 01:49:36,233 I always think about that when I watch a relay. 2611 01:49:36,233 --> 01:49:37,300 That's what they're doing. 2612 01:49:37,300 --> 01:49:38,500 It's like each player that 2613 01:49:38,500 --> 01:49:41,100 gets the baton is a different generation, 2614 01:49:41,100 --> 01:49:43,166 and the last one's the last generation, 2615 01:49:43,166 --> 01:49:45,133 but they usually are the quickest one. 2616 01:49:45,133 --> 01:49:46,933 So we just have to keep pushing. 2617 01:49:49,166 --> 01:49:51,166 -What do you think the world would look like 2618 01:49:51,166 --> 01:49:53,500 without Title IX? Scary thought. 2619 01:49:53,500 --> 01:49:57,166 -The world without Title IX 2620 01:49:57,166 --> 01:49:59,666 would not have Chloe Kim 2621 01:49:59,666 --> 01:50:03,766 and Nancy Lieberman sitting in the same room together. 2622 01:50:03,766 --> 01:50:05,666 It is amazing how many people 2623 01:50:05,666 --> 01:50:08,500 still don't know what Title IX is. 2624 01:50:08,500 --> 01:50:11,700 Title IX has given us a chance to shine 2625 01:50:11,700 --> 01:50:13,633 and affect the world. 2626 01:50:13,633 --> 01:50:18,300 Because we're inseparable in what we're supposed to do, 2627 01:50:18,300 --> 01:50:20,900 it's in your hands. 2628 01:50:20,900 --> 01:50:23,833 -You know, in Mexico, we do not have yet 2629 01:50:23,833 --> 01:50:25,333 something like Title IX. 2630 01:50:25,333 --> 01:50:27,766 I am so honored and happy 2631 01:50:27,766 --> 01:50:29,666 to be part of a big movement 2632 01:50:29,666 --> 01:50:33,100 of amazing women in Mexico that truly believes this, too. 2633 01:50:33,100 --> 01:50:38,166 And we haven't had, like, an opportunity, until now. 2634 01:50:38,166 --> 01:50:41,400 And I received this, uh, 2635 01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:43,600 notice like three days ago, actually, 2636 01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:46,733 that we're going to have the opportunity this month 2637 01:50:46,733 --> 01:50:48,966 to present the initiative... 2638 01:50:48,966 --> 01:50:50,833 -You are? -...to the congress in Mexico. 2639 01:50:50,833 --> 01:50:52,933 -So you or the team or what? 2640 01:50:52,933 --> 01:50:55,666 -It is me, as an ambassador, 2641 01:50:55,666 --> 01:50:58,000 working with amazing women 2642 01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:01,233 involved in sports also as ambassadors. 2643 01:51:01,233 --> 01:51:03,766 So we are pushing forward that. 2644 01:51:03,766 --> 01:51:05,666 -Well, congratulations. That's great. 2645 01:51:05,666 --> 01:51:07,733 What you're doing in Mexico now 2646 01:51:07,733 --> 01:51:10,566 is exactly what we have to keep doing, 2647 01:51:10,566 --> 01:51:13,133 because you're going to change the lives of people alive, 2648 01:51:13,133 --> 01:51:15,366 but the babies that haven't been born yet, 2649 01:51:15,366 --> 01:51:16,800 just think what that's gonna -- 2650 01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:18,066 I mean, they'll just expect it. 2651 01:51:18,066 --> 01:51:19,966 They go, "Oh, yeah, of course." 2652 01:51:19,966 --> 01:51:21,933 Well, somebody had to pay the price, 2653 01:51:21,933 --> 01:51:23,733 but everybody does that. 2654 01:51:23,733 --> 01:51:25,933 And that's why history's so important to learn, 2655 01:51:25,933 --> 01:51:27,300 because I stand on their shoulders, 2656 01:51:27,300 --> 01:51:29,866 and when I learn about these different women, you know, 2657 01:51:29,866 --> 01:51:31,900 of all colors and religions, 2658 01:51:31,900 --> 01:51:34,066 you know, you really realize how important what you're doing 2659 01:51:34,066 --> 01:51:37,000 in Mexico is part of that progress 2660 01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:39,866 and that progression of getting there. 2661 01:51:39,866 --> 01:51:42,333 -I wanted to give you... 2662 01:51:42,333 --> 01:51:43,766 -Uh-oh. -...like, a... 2663 01:51:43,766 --> 01:51:45,400 -[ Gasps ] -...little gift to you. 2664 01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:48,166 -Oh, this is so precious. -This comes from Mexico. 2665 01:51:48,166 --> 01:51:51,066 It is handmade with our... -Oh, I love this. 2666 01:51:51,066 --> 01:51:53,066 -Oh, this is great. And it's a heart. 2667 01:51:53,066 --> 01:51:55,533 -[ Laughs ] It is a heart. -This is beautiful. 2668 01:51:55,533 --> 01:51:57,800 Thank you so much. It's so precious. 2669 01:51:57,800 --> 01:52:00,733 Guess what I brought with me. Remember this? 2670 01:52:00,733 --> 01:52:02,900 -Oh! -It's flag. 2671 01:52:02,900 --> 01:52:05,066 This is the flag you gave me from the football. 2672 01:52:05,066 --> 01:52:06,466 You were so sweet. 2673 01:52:06,466 --> 01:52:08,233 Now I've got two gifts, and I didn't give her anything. 2674 01:52:08,233 --> 01:52:09,500 This is not good. 2675 01:52:09,500 --> 01:52:10,900 Anyway, this -- Remember when you brought this? 2676 01:52:10,900 --> 01:52:12,166 -Yeah. -And then -- 2677 01:52:12,166 --> 01:52:13,633 Because it says "Inspire." 2678 01:52:13,633 --> 01:52:15,633 You said, "Thanks for being an inspiration," 2679 01:52:15,633 --> 01:52:17,200 which I was so touched. 2680 01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:19,233 [ Inspiring music ] 2681 01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:24,133 -For me, Title IX is a step forward 2682 01:52:24,133 --> 01:52:26,633 in the right path, and I feel like 2683 01:52:26,633 --> 01:52:28,800 we just want to keep taking steps forward 2684 01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:30,300 for progress. 2685 01:52:30,300 --> 01:52:32,800 -With your platform, with your voice, 2686 01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:37,400 you leading the way, you know, our future is in great hands. 2687 01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:40,866 Opportunities like this, talking about Title IX, 2688 01:52:40,866 --> 01:52:42,900 allow me to be able to meet you, 2689 01:52:42,900 --> 01:52:45,233 and I am so grateful and so honored. 2690 01:52:46,733 --> 01:52:48,666 [ Inspiring music ] 2691 01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:53,366 -[Nancy] This has been delightful for me. 2692 01:52:53,366 --> 01:52:55,266 I've had some really great experiences in my life 2693 01:52:55,266 --> 01:52:57,633 with amazing people, and this is gonna be 2694 01:52:57,633 --> 01:52:58,800 at the top of the list. 2695 01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:01,800 -I can't wait to hear about Mexico now. 2696 01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:03,566 That is gonna be so awesome. 2697 01:53:03,566 --> 01:53:05,133 -Great things are yet to come. 2698 01:53:05,133 --> 01:53:06,866 -Oh, you're just getting started. 2699 01:53:06,866 --> 01:53:08,466 When I first met you, I could tell within 2700 01:53:08,466 --> 01:53:11,866 one second that you accept and embrace leadership. 2701 01:53:11,866 --> 01:53:13,800 Your life is just beginning. 2702 01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:16,166 You h-- You're just going to have the best life, I can tell. 2703 01:53:16,166 --> 01:53:18,266 -I already told you this, but... 2704 01:53:18,266 --> 01:53:19,733 [ Deep breath ] 2705 01:53:19,733 --> 01:53:23,100 ...you are truly an inspiration to me. 2706 01:53:23,100 --> 01:53:26,600 -Thank you. -You have empowered me. 2707 01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:30,700 You have filled my heart with this fire and power 2708 01:53:30,700 --> 01:53:33,100 to keep going and to be aware that 2709 01:53:33,100 --> 01:53:36,866 what we do has a bigger impact than ourselves. 2710 01:53:36,866 --> 01:53:37,966 -Yes. 2711 01:53:37,966 --> 01:53:40,800 -That is everything is for the future 2712 01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:43,066 and the ones that are coming behind us. 2713 01:53:43,066 --> 01:53:45,033 So I want to thank you for that. 2714 01:53:45,033 --> 01:53:47,066 -I appreciate that. -Thank you for everything 2715 01:53:47,066 --> 01:53:49,266 you have done for women in sports, 2716 01:53:49,266 --> 01:53:52,800 but for women in general and for people. 2717 01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:54,600 -Thank you. 2718 01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:58,066 -♪ Hold on just one more day ♪ 2719 01:53:58,066 --> 01:54:00,666 ♪ Hold on... ♪ 2720 01:54:00,666 --> 01:54:02,800 -[Billie] Title IX and the pursuit of equality 2721 01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:05,266 is my enduring legacy. 2722 01:54:05,266 --> 01:54:07,933 It's not only athletes or legislators 2723 01:54:07,933 --> 01:54:10,300 who are the guardians of Title IX. 2724 01:54:10,300 --> 01:54:13,100 It's all of us who share this country. 2725 01:54:13,100 --> 01:54:15,533 While, at times, it's been slow, 2726 01:54:15,533 --> 01:54:17,733 we have, indeed, made progress 2727 01:54:17,733 --> 01:54:20,666 and we have, indeed, broken down barriers, 2728 01:54:20,666 --> 01:54:24,366 on the court and off. 2729 01:54:24,366 --> 01:54:25,900 [ Upbeat music ] 2730 01:54:25,900 --> 01:54:29,100 That's how you make change. 2731 01:54:29,100 --> 01:54:32,833 And we'll keep doing it for generations to come. 2732 01:54:32,833 --> 01:54:34,733 [ Upbeat music ] 2733 01:55:02,266 --> 01:55:04,166 -To order "Groundbreakers" on DVD, 2734 01:55:04,166 --> 01:55:07,333 visit Shop PBS or call 1-800-PLAY-PBS. 2735 01:55:07,333 --> 01:55:10,633 This program is also available on Amazon Prime Video 2736 01:55:10,633 --> 01:55:12,300 and with PBS Passport. 215732

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