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- [roaring]
- Monsters...
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[birds screeching]
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[creatures growling, roaring]
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Are metaphors.
- I don't think you appreciate
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the gut reaction people have
to these things.
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- They do represent a lot
of our deeper
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psychological fears.
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[children screaming]
- Pennywise is a manifestation
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of evil.
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- He's made of fantasies
and the creators
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are children.
- When people ask me,
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"What are the ones
that are your favorite movies?"
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I always mention "Cujo."
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- It's a really intense
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go-for-the-throat film.
- [screaming]
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[Cujo growling]
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- I loved "Gremlins."
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The Jekyll-and-Hyde component
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of these little cute characters
and that they turn into
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these crazy monsters...
- [cackling]
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- I mean, the Gremlins are us.
- [snarling]
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[gunshot]
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- Clear.
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[screams]
- My favorite of all time
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is John Carpenter's
"The Thing."
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- [roaring]
- [snarling]
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- "American Werewolf
in London," "The Howling"--
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those movies were really
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the age of make-up effects.
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- [snarling]
- Werewolves will kick
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vampires' ass any day.
- There is a lot
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to fear in nature.
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[bird squawking]
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- The natural world
is turning on us
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'cause we have mistreated it
in some way.
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[sinister music]
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♪
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- "Jaws," for me, was the one.
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That was the one
that terrified me.
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[swimmers screaming]
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- [screaming]
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- That's a monster.
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That's a true monster.
- [roaring]
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[sinister music]
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♪
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[chainsaw revving]
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♪
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- Monsters hold
a special place
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in the history of horror.
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The killer predators
in nature...
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- [screaming]
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- The nightmare creatures
of the fantastic,
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and the monsters inside us
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waiting to escape.
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- [snarling]
- They can be frightening,
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or fun, or both.
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[cookies chittering,
laughing]
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- Whatever their size
or shape,
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whether they're humanoid
or utterly alien,
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monsters are reflections
of ourselves.
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- [whimpering]
- They do represent a lot
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of our deeper
psychological fears.
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We sort of design them
to represent everything
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that we feel is ugly
about ourselves.
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[sinister music]
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- Time to float.
- [wheezing]
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[hyperventilating]
- The latest addition
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to the monster hall of fame
is Pennywise the clown,
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the killer creature
at the heart
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of the 2017 blockbuster,
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"It."
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Based on the 1986 novel
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by legendary horror writer
Stephen King,
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"It" tells the story
of seven young outcasts
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in Derry, Maine.
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They battle an ancient evil
that emerges
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every 27 years
to kill the town's children.
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- Some of the greatest
horror films of all time
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all sprang from
the literary works
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of Stephen King.
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- He has the most vivid
imagination,
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and he takes you
to the strangest places,
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but the anchor is always
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the--the human emotion.
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Uh, without that it's not King.
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- I s--saw something too.
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- I remember the summer
the book came out,
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everyone was reading it.
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We all had our, like,
copies of "It," this big,
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no matter where we were.
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Do you enjoy watching
adaptations, or--
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or is it--has it evolved?
- Sure, yeah.
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No, I--I like
to watch adaptations
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and, uh, I'm always interested
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to see what people do
with the stuff.
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- [screaming]
- It's perfect.
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It was a mainstream movie
that was rated "R."
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- It played like a family film.
Everyone--again, it became
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the movie you were dared
to see.
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- It grossed $700 million
worldwide.
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And not only that,
it was a good film.
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[sinister music]
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- Beep beep, Richie.
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- I wanted to be true
to the spirit of--
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of the story
and the characters.
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The first goal was to--
to make it different
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from--from Tim Curry
interpretation...
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- Beep beep, Richie.
- I felt that
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there was something
about Pennywise that--
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that wasn't covered there.
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- Bill!
- [snarling]
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- I also wanted to bring
a weird balance
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of--of a monster and a child.
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If you see the--the design
of the monster,
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he has, like,
child-like features.
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He's like roundy face and--
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and, you know,
the bucky teeth.
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And one of the things
that I consider important
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is that one of his eyes
would be, uh, strabismic,
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so it was pointing out.
- I will take him.
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Only him.
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- Andy shot the [bleep]
out of that movie.
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When Georgie is running
down the gutter
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after the--the boat,
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it looks...
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like a real rain storm.
- No!
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- It doesn't look like
a sunny day
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where people ran
a rain machine.
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[sinister music]
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- Um...
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I should get going now.
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- Oh.
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Uh, without your boat?
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- Opening is a masterpiece.
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There is a reason why it's,
like, the scene that,
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you know, has created
a thousand parodies--
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'cause it's that good.
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♪
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- [snarls]
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- [screaming]
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[wailing]
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Help!
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[wailing]
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- Pennywise's creepy hand
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starts to stretch across the--
the street...
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- [screams]
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Billy!
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- That is nightmare fuel.
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And what the director,
Andy Muschietti,
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was able to do so well is
maintain that nightmare fuel
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throughout the rest
of the runtime.
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- What the hell?
Put the map back.
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- Mm-mm.
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[projector clicks]
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[clicking]
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- The projection scene is one
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of the most impactful ones
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because it sets you up
for something.
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[projector clicking]
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♪
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[all whimpering]
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♪
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And then it really
surprises you.
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- [hollers]
[all scream]
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- [cackles]
- Billy!
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[all screaming]
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- It is really about
the horrors of society.
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The scariest things
in that book
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are not supernatural.
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The scariest things
in that book are...
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racism.
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- Stay the [bleep]
out of my town!
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- Misogyny...
- She'll do you.
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You just gotta ask nicely.
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- And child abuse.
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- Tell me you're still
my little girl.
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- Yes, Daddy.
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- Beverly's sexual abuse
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by her father is shown to be
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very much connected,
we know,
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with the external threats
embodied by It.
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- [snarls]
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[eerie music]
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- Hey, Bevvie.
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Are you still my little girl?
- [screams]
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- [gagging]
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- But it also reminds us
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the most unimaginable,
horrific things
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really do happen.
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- Tasty, tasty,
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beautiful fear.
- [gasps, whimpers]
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- Fears are never just
imaginary.
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- Hey!
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[dark music]
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Eddie!
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- [whimpering]
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- This isn't real enough
for you, Billy?
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[high-pitched]
I'm not real enough for you?
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- Oh...
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- It was real enough
for Georgie!
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[cackling]
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[roaring]
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♪
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- The clowns hate me.
I just tell people,
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"Don't hate the messenger
for the message."
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Kids are scared to death
of clowns,
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and--and, you know, clowns are
a natural disguise
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for monsters
because you never know
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what's under that makeup.
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♪
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- "It" gave us a monster drawn
from our childhood fears...
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- [screams]
- [roaring]
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- But some creatures tap into
different parts
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of our brains.
- You gotta be...
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kidding.
- Our dread that others
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are not what they seem...
- [roaring]
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[all screaming]
- And our secret desire
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to act upon
our wildest impulses.
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- [cackling]
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- Why are monsters
of the fantastic
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so popular?
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Perhaps it's because they can
do anything they want.
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Monsters don't have
to follow the rules--
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That's why kids love them.
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Especially monsters
who enjoy behaving badly.
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Monsters like gremlins.
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- You're kidding.
- [whines]
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- I loved "Gremlins"
growing up.
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My parents took myself
and my sister to see it.
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I think we were all expecting
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something along the lines
of "E.T."
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- I just call him Gizmo.
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He seems to like it.
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- It had that Amblin-Spielberg
presentation,
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but what nobody told you
is that it turns into
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a balls-to-the-wall
horror movie.
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- You know, there's some things
I forgot to tell you guys,
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and they're really important.
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Keep him away from water...
- [screams]
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[shrieking]
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- Don't ever feed him
after midnight...
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[sinister music]
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- I loved--
I love that--that movie.
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The Jekyll-and-Hyde component
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of these little cute characters
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and that they turn into
these crazy monsters.
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- [cackling]
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- [grunts, groans]
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- I'll never forget
the entire audience
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just leaping and screaming
and applauding with it.
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- [shrieking]
- [screaming]
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♪
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- And it was just so bizarre
and so different
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than anything we had seen
in the '80s up until then.
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- [growls]
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[whining]
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- That perfect mix of laughter
and screaming.
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- [gurgles]
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- I've been criticized by
certain studio executives
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over the years for--
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"Is this supposed to be
a horror movie or a comedy?"
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And, um, I find the two genres
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very closely aligned.
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- [sneezes]
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- I grew up on
the James Whale films
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and, uh, Whale's pictures
were always mordantly comic.
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and he was not afraid
to mix tones.
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- They've asked for it,
the country bumpkins.
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This will give them
a bit of a shock.
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- The Invisible Man--
who is certifiably crazy--
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does a lot of funny things.
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Uh, but then in the middle
of doing something funny
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he'll kill somebody.
- I think I'll throttle you.
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- [gagging]
Let go of me!
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- Then all of a sudden
your laugh catches
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in your throat.
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That's always fascinated me,
that dichotomy.
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[sinister music]
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- Gremlins are us.
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The gremlins are the absolute
worst aspects
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of humanity manifested
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as these little reptilian,
snarling,
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mischievous monsters.
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- [shrieking]
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- And that's what makes them
so great.
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- [screaming]
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[gremlins laughing]
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- Especially in the scene
where they're fighting
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with Phoebe Cates in the bar.
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It's like every single gremlin
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looks like someone
you might see
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in a seedy bar.
- [laughing]
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[whistle blowing]
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- The studio didn't really
understand the movie.
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- [babbling]
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[hollering]
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- They didn't get it
when they saw it,
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they didn't get it
when it came out--
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they just were happy
that it was making money.
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[gremlins babbling]
- Are moviegoers so desperate
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for entertainment
that this is the trash
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passed for fun?
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Whoa! Wait a minute!
[gremlins cackling]
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- It was ripped off
all over the place.
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- "The Ghoulies"
and "Critters"--
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and yes, I did "Critters 2."
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- Look at the size
of their leader.
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[critters babbling]
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- [growling]
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- There were so many
little creature movies--
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little puppet movies--
because they were
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relatively cheap to make--
unless you did them well.
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The first "Gremlins," I think,
was $10 million,
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but the second one
was $60 million.
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[gremlins laughing]
- Is everybody here?
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[all cheering]
All right, then!
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[growling]
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- [shrieking]
- [growling]
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- To me, "Gremlins" was really
great gateway horror.
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By gateway horror
I'm referring to movies
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that are scary enough
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for the whole family.
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- [growling]
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- I think it's good for kids
to watch scary movies.
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- Omi!
- [snarling]
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[both screaming]
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[dramatic music]
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- It makes you learn how
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to process fear
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on a physical and mental level.
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I think your kid will probably
be more messed up
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if you don't show them
anything scary
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'cause they won't be prepared
for the real world,
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which is actually terrifying.
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[all laughing, chittering]
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- If "Gremlins" is
the lighter side
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of killer creatures,
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John Carpenter's
"The Thing"
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is the darkest of the dark.
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- [growling]
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- The film's shape-shifters
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embody our most
paranoid suspicions,
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that the people we know
and trust
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are actually inhuman monsters.
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- [roaring]
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- "The Thing" is about
a remote outpost
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in Antarctica, and they find
an alien in the ice.
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And what this alien
winds up doing
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is it will--it will replicate
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anything it can see.
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- It needs to be alone
and in close proximity
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with the life-form
to be absorbed.
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- Slowly, it's knocking off...
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each cast member one by one.
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- [roaring]
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- By mid-film, you don't know
who's who
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and they have to figure out
who's The Thing
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so they can survive.
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- The blood from one
of you things
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won't obey when it's attacked.
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It'll try and survive.
- [screeches]
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[all screaming]
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- [growling]
- The horror of sort of truism
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was things can be real good
and scary
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until you see the monster,
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and, uh, Rob Bottin--
the special effects guy--
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said, "Well, what if
we show them
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the monster constantly?"
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But the trick is that
the monster is
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a different monster
every time.
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I mean, that's just
brilliantly leaning into
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the problem.
- [roaring]
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- I took my girlfriend
to see "The Thing,"
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and she sat in the theater
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almost vomiting in her hands...
- [laughing]
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- And was so angry at me.
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"Why would you take me
to this movie?"
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It's so gory and it's
so grotesque but, like, it's--
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it's amazing!
What are you talking about?
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- It's like the holy grail
of horror movies.
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It's a perfect movie.
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- [roaring]
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[sinister music]
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- It's also
an unparalleled, uh--
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of effects showcase.
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You know, we see these--
these creatures that have
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no real form or structure
but that come from
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the deepest nightmares
that we could possibly fathom.
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[growling]
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- [screaming]
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[crunching]
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- "The Thing" and "Gremlins"
are monsters drawn
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from our wildest fantasies.
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- Wait a minute.
- You'll never run into
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either one of them.
- [growling]
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00:15:04,381 --> 00:15:07,471
- But some of the most
terrifying movies ever made
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show us what might happen
if everyday animals
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became killer creatures.
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[sinister music]
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[Cujo growling]
- Humans take their dominance
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over nature for granted.
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But what if other species
rose up against us?
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Animals we consider friendly
or harmless.
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00:15:27,665 --> 00:15:29,275
[birds calling]
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The fear of suddenly being
at the bottom
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of the food chain
is the premise
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of the first man versus nature
horror film...
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00:15:35,456 --> 00:15:36,886
[birds calling]
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Alfred Hitchcock's
"The Birds."
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- My name
is Alfred Hitchcock.
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and I would like to tell you
about my forthcoming lecture.
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It is about the birds
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and their age-long relationship
with man.
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[birds squawking]
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00:15:52,299 --> 00:15:54,609
- Such a bizarre thought,
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that birds would attack us.
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00:15:56,868 --> 00:15:58,608
To think of them
all of a sudden
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banding together.
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00:16:00,133 --> 00:16:02,533
That you would have to be wary
every time
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00:16:02,570 --> 00:16:05,660
you step out your door
or get out of your car
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00:16:05,703 --> 00:16:08,183
or whatever
is a very frightening thought.
422
00:16:08,228 --> 00:16:10,228
- "The Birds," at its heart,
is a story
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00:16:10,273 --> 00:16:12,973
of a woman who, uh,
is intrigued by a man
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00:16:13,015 --> 00:16:15,145
and kind of wants
to get at the man.
425
00:16:15,191 --> 00:16:17,061
- Are those lovebirds?
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00:16:17,106 --> 00:16:18,456
[birds chirping]
427
00:16:18,499 --> 00:16:21,419
- No, those are, uh,
redbirds.
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00:16:21,458 --> 00:16:23,198
- And the man is interested
in the woman
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00:16:23,243 --> 00:16:24,983
but is a little wary of her
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00:16:25,027 --> 00:16:26,807
because she's not his
perfect idea
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00:16:26,855 --> 00:16:28,805
of what a woman should be.
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00:16:28,857 --> 00:16:30,597
[birds calling]
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00:16:30,641 --> 00:16:33,121
- I think she was a woman
who was sure of herself.
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00:16:33,166 --> 00:16:35,336
I--I don't think
she was impressed with herself.
435
00:16:35,385 --> 00:16:37,605
I just think she knew
what she wanted
436
00:16:37,648 --> 00:16:40,778
and, um, how to get it.
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00:16:40,825 --> 00:16:42,825
[motor putting]
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00:16:42,871 --> 00:16:44,311
- What I love about
"The Birds"
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00:16:44,351 --> 00:16:45,661
is there's no answer.
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00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:47,660
[bird squawks]
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00:16:47,702 --> 00:16:49,182
You never know
why it's happening,
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00:16:49,225 --> 00:16:50,965
and that makes it
so incredibly frightening.
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00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:53,140
[children screaming]
444
00:16:53,186 --> 00:16:54,666
- When you can explain horror,
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00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:56,539
it loses its mystery
446
00:16:56,580 --> 00:16:58,890
and it ceases
to become horrifying.
447
00:16:58,930 --> 00:17:00,370
[children singing
indistinctly]
448
00:17:00,410 --> 00:17:03,630
- To take
what most people consider
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00:17:03,674 --> 00:17:05,764
a pretty innocuous animal,
like a--
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00:17:05,807 --> 00:17:08,107
not an animal to be feared...
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00:17:08,157 --> 00:17:09,677
♪
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And to turn it into
something that terrifying
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00:17:11,769 --> 00:17:14,079
that still really works...
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00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:16,080
♪
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I mean, that scene
when she turns around
456
00:17:17,949 --> 00:17:21,259
and they're all sitting there
is terrifying.
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00:17:21,301 --> 00:17:22,951
It would be terrifying
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00:17:22,998 --> 00:17:25,568
for us to experience that
in life.
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00:17:29,265 --> 00:17:31,745
[birds calling]
460
00:17:33,226 --> 00:17:35,446
- Hitchcock was one
of the first--
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00:17:35,489 --> 00:17:38,059
if not the first--
live-action filmmaker
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to rely heavily
on storyboards.
463
00:17:41,103 --> 00:17:44,113
[eerie music]
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00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:47,020
And that's one reason why...
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his films are so effective,
I think--
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because he didn't rely on
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00:17:51,896 --> 00:17:55,636
happy accidents
to make those scenes work.
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00:17:55,683 --> 00:17:57,953
He knew how they ought
to be staged,
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00:17:57,989 --> 00:17:59,949
how they ought to be cut.
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00:17:59,991 --> 00:18:02,561
[children screaming]
471
00:18:03,343 --> 00:18:05,523
- Daddy!
- I don't think that
472
00:18:05,562 --> 00:18:09,002
there is much
that Alfred Hitchcock missed
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00:18:09,044 --> 00:18:11,394
in making his movies.
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I mean, they were made
for his audience,
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00:18:14,484 --> 00:18:17,314
and he knew his audiences well.
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00:18:17,357 --> 00:18:19,137
[birds calling]
477
00:18:19,185 --> 00:18:20,795
- That was just one
of the most horrific things
478
00:18:20,838 --> 00:18:22,748
I had ever seen at that point.
479
00:18:22,797 --> 00:18:24,317
You couldn't walk the street
for fear of being attacked.
480
00:18:24,364 --> 00:18:26,154
That just always stuck with me.
481
00:18:26,192 --> 00:18:28,322
[birds squawking]
482
00:18:36,506 --> 00:18:39,066
It was relentless
and unforgiving.
483
00:18:39,118 --> 00:18:40,948
- I was supposed
to go up the stairs--
484
00:18:40,989 --> 00:18:43,119
and of course by that time
my character had seen
485
00:18:43,165 --> 00:18:44,905
all of the destruction
486
00:18:44,949 --> 00:18:46,389
that the birds had caused--
487
00:18:46,429 --> 00:18:49,039
and I said
to Alfred Hitchcock,
488
00:18:49,084 --> 00:18:51,004
"Why would I go up there
489
00:18:51,042 --> 00:18:53,002
"knowing what's going on?
490
00:18:53,044 --> 00:18:54,664
Why would I do that?"
491
00:18:54,698 --> 00:18:56,218
And he said,
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00:18:56,265 --> 00:18:59,825
"Because I tell you to."
493
00:18:59,877 --> 00:19:01,617
[whimpers]
494
00:19:01,662 --> 00:19:04,532
[dark music]
495
00:19:04,578 --> 00:19:06,618
- At the beginning of the film,
the Tippi Hedren character
496
00:19:06,667 --> 00:19:09,277
is assertive, very sexual,
497
00:19:09,322 --> 00:19:10,802
very sure of herself.
498
00:19:10,845 --> 00:19:13,325
By the end of the film, uh,
conservative forces
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00:19:13,369 --> 00:19:15,069
from without reduce her
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to a sort of wordless,
helpless woman
501
00:19:17,895 --> 00:19:20,115
who, you know, basically has
to be carried out of the house
502
00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:21,639
and is now afraid
of everything.
503
00:19:21,682 --> 00:19:23,812
In--in other words,
a much more acceptable vision
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00:19:23,858 --> 00:19:26,728
of what a housewife should be.
- No.
505
00:19:26,774 --> 00:19:28,564
No!
506
00:19:28,602 --> 00:19:30,172
I think Alfred Hitchcock
507
00:19:30,212 --> 00:19:31,952
was born to scare people.
508
00:19:31,996 --> 00:19:35,346
To make them uneasy--
frighten them severely--
509
00:19:35,391 --> 00:19:37,221
and also really
make them think.
510
00:19:37,263 --> 00:19:39,313
I think he relished that.
511
00:19:39,352 --> 00:19:41,182
Did he take it too far
in his private life?
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00:19:41,223 --> 00:19:42,833
Probably.
513
00:19:42,877 --> 00:19:44,397
Probably.
514
00:19:44,444 --> 00:19:46,534
He had his own motion picture
going on inside.
515
00:19:46,576 --> 00:19:48,266
[laughing]
516
00:19:48,317 --> 00:19:51,447
- "The Birds"
is a masterful suspense film
517
00:19:51,494 --> 00:19:53,194
and a disturbing projection
518
00:19:53,235 --> 00:19:55,235
of Alfred Hitchcock's
conflicted feelings
519
00:19:55,281 --> 00:19:58,631
about female sexuality.
520
00:19:58,675 --> 00:20:01,415
In the film "Cujo"--
adapted from Stephen King's
521
00:20:01,461 --> 00:20:03,111
1981 novel--
522
00:20:03,158 --> 00:20:05,158
another
normally harmless animal
523
00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:07,774
punishes a woman for her sins.
524
00:20:07,815 --> 00:20:10,115
One of your adaptations
that I think everyone
525
00:20:10,165 --> 00:20:11,595
who's seen it loves it
is "Cujo..."
526
00:20:11,645 --> 00:20:13,555
- Yeah.
- Lewis Teague's film.
527
00:20:13,603 --> 00:20:16,353
- That movie was terrifying.
528
00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:18,039
I was petrified.
529
00:20:18,086 --> 00:20:20,386
- When people ask me,
"What are the ones
530
00:20:20,436 --> 00:20:22,046
that are your favorite movies?"
531
00:20:22,090 --> 00:20:24,350
I always mention "Cujo."
532
00:20:24,397 --> 00:20:27,227
- This is about a woman
who's dealing with a lot
533
00:20:27,269 --> 00:20:29,229
regarding her husband
and this man she's having
534
00:20:29,271 --> 00:20:32,191
an affair with,
and this sin
535
00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:34,581
that she has committed--
which is infidelity--
536
00:20:34,624 --> 00:20:36,844
and now paying
the ultimate price for that.
537
00:20:36,887 --> 00:20:38,757
- [growling]
538
00:20:38,802 --> 00:20:41,332
[huffing, growling]
539
00:20:41,370 --> 00:20:43,760
- To me, horror is always
situational.
540
00:20:43,807 --> 00:20:46,247
It's something where
you say to yourself...
541
00:20:46,288 --> 00:20:47,638
[dramatic music]
542
00:20:47,681 --> 00:20:49,941
"Okay, we're gonna put a woman
543
00:20:49,987 --> 00:20:52,247
"and a boy in--in the car,
544
00:20:52,294 --> 00:20:54,124
and then we're gonna see
what happens."
545
00:20:54,165 --> 00:20:56,115
- [growling]
- [screams]
546
00:20:56,167 --> 00:20:58,777
- [screaming]
- When you've got, um,
547
00:20:58,822 --> 00:21:01,302
not just the rabid dog, Cujo,
548
00:21:01,347 --> 00:21:03,827
uh, but then you've got
her son who--
549
00:21:03,871 --> 00:21:07,051
who's having these seizures,
and it becoming sweltering
550
00:21:07,091 --> 00:21:08,311
in the car
that she's trapped in,
551
00:21:08,354 --> 00:21:10,404
and you just feel the anxiety
552
00:21:10,443 --> 00:21:12,313
and the, uh, claustrophobia.
553
00:21:12,358 --> 00:21:14,398
It's a really intense movie.
554
00:21:14,447 --> 00:21:16,447
- [growling, snarling]
555
00:21:16,492 --> 00:21:18,232
♪
556
00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:20,187
- Part of the--the greatness
of that film
557
00:21:20,235 --> 00:21:21,795
is the performance
by Dee Wallace.
558
00:21:21,845 --> 00:21:23,585
It was extraordinary.
559
00:21:23,630 --> 00:21:25,810
You know, you really feel
her pain, you really feel
560
00:21:25,849 --> 00:21:27,899
how distraught she is,
and you feel
561
00:21:27,938 --> 00:21:30,248
those survival instincts
that kick in
562
00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:32,639
when the trouble starts.
563
00:21:32,682 --> 00:21:36,032
- Well, what actress
wouldn't want the opportunity
564
00:21:36,077 --> 00:21:39,467
to play a tour-de-force part
like "Cujo"?
565
00:21:39,515 --> 00:21:42,475
[suspenseful music]
566
00:21:42,518 --> 00:21:45,478
♪
567
00:21:45,521 --> 00:21:47,441
I had no idea
568
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,790
how tough it would be.
569
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:51,350
♪
570
00:21:51,397 --> 00:21:52,917
- [growling]
- [gasps]
571
00:21:52,963 --> 00:21:54,793
[whimpers]
In a horror film,
572
00:21:54,835 --> 00:21:56,965
there's a lot--
if you're doing it right,
573
00:21:57,011 --> 00:21:59,061
there's a lot
of emotional work.
574
00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:00,670
- [barking, snarling]
575
00:22:00,710 --> 00:22:02,280
- [screams]
576
00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,371
- [snarling]
- [cries out]
577
00:22:04,410 --> 00:22:05,720
♪
578
00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:07,669
Your body does not know
579
00:22:07,717 --> 00:22:09,017
you are acting.
580
00:22:09,066 --> 00:22:11,676
Your brain does not know
you are acting.
581
00:22:11,721 --> 00:22:13,161
It goes through
582
00:22:13,201 --> 00:22:16,161
every chemical change
583
00:22:16,204 --> 00:22:18,864
that you would go through
in fight-or-flight.
584
00:22:18,902 --> 00:22:21,512
[whimpering]
585
00:22:21,557 --> 00:22:23,077
♪
586
00:22:23,124 --> 00:22:24,344
- [snarling]
- [screams]
587
00:22:24,386 --> 00:22:26,946
So you can imagine
588
00:22:26,997 --> 00:22:28,957
doing a movie like "Cujo"--
589
00:22:28,999 --> 00:22:31,609
six to eight weeks
of fight-or-flight
590
00:22:31,654 --> 00:22:33,224
every minute.
- [snarling]
591
00:22:33,264 --> 00:22:35,574
- [screaming]
592
00:22:35,615 --> 00:22:37,265
- [screams]
- There were lots
593
00:22:37,312 --> 00:22:40,182
and lots of dogs playing Cujo.
[screaming]
594
00:22:40,228 --> 00:22:41,708
- [growling, snarling]
595
00:22:41,751 --> 00:22:43,451
- It's all a big game
for them.
596
00:22:43,492 --> 00:22:46,062
We had to tie their tails down
with fish wire
597
00:22:46,103 --> 00:22:48,413
because they were having
a wonderful time
598
00:22:48,454 --> 00:22:50,504
going after their toys.
- [screaming]
599
00:22:50,543 --> 00:22:52,763
- [shrieks]
600
00:22:54,198 --> 00:22:56,718
All the dogs were taken
much better care of
601
00:22:56,766 --> 00:22:57,806
than I was.
[laughs]
602
00:22:57,854 --> 00:23:00,344
I wanna be clear about that.
603
00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:03,119
[sinister music]
604
00:23:03,164 --> 00:23:05,434
They treated me
for exhaustion...
605
00:23:05,471 --> 00:23:07,651
for three weeks after
that movie finished.
606
00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:09,130
[shaky breathing]
607
00:23:09,170 --> 00:23:12,040
It was relentless.
608
00:23:21,008 --> 00:23:23,618
And it is, I think,
609
00:23:23,663 --> 00:23:26,543
my best work and the film
I'm most proud of.
610
00:23:26,579 --> 00:23:30,629
[dark music]
611
00:23:30,670 --> 00:23:32,720
Please, God,
get me out of here.
612
00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:35,149
♪
613
00:23:35,196 --> 00:23:37,886
- "Cujo" and "The Birds"
took harmless animals
614
00:23:37,938 --> 00:23:39,588
and turned them into monsters.
615
00:23:39,635 --> 00:23:41,715
- [snarling, barking]
- But the ultimate
616
00:23:41,768 --> 00:23:43,768
animal-attack story
features a creature
617
00:23:43,813 --> 00:23:46,123
everyone fears,
618
00:23:46,163 --> 00:23:48,913
thanks to one
landmark horror film.
619
00:23:48,949 --> 00:23:51,259
- [screaming]
620
00:23:53,736 --> 00:23:56,476
- In 1975, a young director
621
00:23:56,522 --> 00:23:58,742
named Steven Spielberg
made a film
622
00:23:58,785 --> 00:24:00,785
about a giant man-eating shark
623
00:24:00,830 --> 00:24:03,750
prowling
the New England coastline.
624
00:24:03,790 --> 00:24:06,710
"Jaws" was the first
summer blockbuster,
625
00:24:06,749 --> 00:24:09,489
and it's the ultimate
animal attack movie.
626
00:24:09,535 --> 00:24:11,405
"Jaws" is pure cinema.
627
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,800
From that opening shot
underwater
628
00:24:13,843 --> 00:24:16,983
and that music, I can't think
of an opening of a movie
629
00:24:17,020 --> 00:24:18,500
that's more effective
than that--
630
00:24:18,544 --> 00:24:20,554
the opening credits
of that movie.
631
00:24:20,589 --> 00:24:23,109
["Jaws" theme plays]
632
00:24:23,157 --> 00:24:26,197
You are probably the most
"Jaws"-obsessed person I know.
633
00:24:26,247 --> 00:24:28,247
- That movie, for me...
[stammering]
634
00:24:28,292 --> 00:24:30,292
I saw it the second day
it was out.
635
00:24:30,338 --> 00:24:31,688
My parents went
opening night...
636
00:24:31,731 --> 00:24:33,211
- How old were you
when you saw it?
637
00:24:33,254 --> 00:24:34,604
- Uh, 13.
- Oh.
638
00:24:34,647 --> 00:24:36,557
- Probably saw it 15 times
that summer.
639
00:24:36,605 --> 00:24:38,295
- I remember it, too.
I saw it when it came out.
640
00:24:38,346 --> 00:24:39,866
My parents took me.
I was ten
641
00:24:39,913 --> 00:24:41,183
and my brother was seven.
642
00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:42,518
I don't know what
they were thinking.
643
00:24:42,568 --> 00:24:44,048
- [laughing]
- And we--I don't even...
644
00:24:44,091 --> 00:24:45,701
- Thank God.
- I don't even think we knew
645
00:24:45,745 --> 00:24:47,745
what it was, and from the kids
that went in to that movie
646
00:24:47,790 --> 00:24:49,660
and the kids that came out
were not the same.
647
00:24:49,705 --> 00:24:51,395
- No.
648
00:24:51,446 --> 00:24:52,616
- I love "Jaws."
649
00:24:52,665 --> 00:24:54,795
I was young when I saw it
650
00:24:54,841 --> 00:24:57,321
and it totally freaked me out.
651
00:24:57,365 --> 00:24:59,445
The little things,
like the coming up
652
00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:01,498
on somebody--
just the feeling.
653
00:25:01,543 --> 00:25:03,763
It's not an actual shark
coming up,
654
00:25:03,806 --> 00:25:06,026
but you feel like,
"She's done."
655
00:25:06,069 --> 00:25:07,849
- [gasps]
656
00:25:07,897 --> 00:25:09,767
[gasps, panting]
657
00:25:09,812 --> 00:25:12,082
[sinister music]
658
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,689
Oh, God!
[shrieking]
659
00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:16,250
- It's about this basic
660
00:25:16,297 --> 00:25:18,467
human terror.
661
00:25:18,517 --> 00:25:20,207
- [screaming]
662
00:25:20,257 --> 00:25:22,867
- The understanding
that we are...
663
00:25:22,912 --> 00:25:25,612
a snack for sharks.
664
00:25:25,654 --> 00:25:27,534
- [screaming]
665
00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:30,309
It hurts!
- Realizing you are food
666
00:25:30,354 --> 00:25:33,444
is upsetting.
- [shrieking]
667
00:25:33,488 --> 00:25:35,878
Oh, my God!
Oh, God!
668
00:25:35,925 --> 00:25:38,485
- It blew me away.
Just everything about it--
669
00:25:38,537 --> 00:25:41,447
the fear of the unknown,
the fact that you would be
670
00:25:41,496 --> 00:25:44,236
in the water and something
underneath the water
671
00:25:44,281 --> 00:25:46,681
could be that massive,
672
00:25:46,719 --> 00:25:48,499
that big, that dangerous.
673
00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:51,847
- Oh, please help!
[screaming]
674
00:25:51,898 --> 00:25:55,028
- There's an element where
Spielberg was forced
675
00:25:55,075 --> 00:25:57,725
into really creative ways
676
00:25:57,773 --> 00:25:59,303
of showing suspense
677
00:25:59,340 --> 00:26:02,130
because his major
special effect didn't work.
678
00:26:03,344 --> 00:26:05,744
And I'm sure he would agree
679
00:26:05,781 --> 00:26:09,131
that if the mechanical shark
had worked a bit better
680
00:26:09,176 --> 00:26:10,656
you might have seen
the shark more,
681
00:26:10,699 --> 00:26:12,529
and maybe it would be
a lesser film.
682
00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:14,961
- [screaming]
683
00:26:16,313 --> 00:26:18,843
- That scene on the beach is--
is pure Hitchcock.
684
00:26:18,881 --> 00:26:20,841
- Get out of the office...
- [screaming]
685
00:26:20,883 --> 00:26:22,493
- A garbage truck
next to the office.
686
00:26:22,537 --> 00:26:24,577
- [screaming]
- You look at the tricks
687
00:26:24,626 --> 00:26:26,276
that Spielberg used
in that scene--
688
00:26:26,323 --> 00:26:28,063
he used every trick
in the book
689
00:26:28,108 --> 00:26:30,628
to just really make sure
that you saw
690
00:26:30,676 --> 00:26:33,326
every single thing
that was happening,
691
00:26:33,374 --> 00:26:35,074
but you could do nothing
about it.
692
00:26:35,115 --> 00:26:37,195
- Pippin!
693
00:26:37,247 --> 00:26:39,077
- And then when the guy throws
the stick for the dog
694
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,639
and then it's just like,
"Pippin, Pippin."
695
00:26:40,686 --> 00:26:44,596
You just see the stick--
you're like, "Oh, no."
696
00:26:44,646 --> 00:26:46,296
- I saw "Jaws"
at a really early age
697
00:26:46,343 --> 00:26:48,393
and my take-away
from that was,
698
00:26:48,432 --> 00:26:51,352
"Oh, Jaws eats kids."
699
00:26:51,392 --> 00:26:54,402
The way Spielberg shot
the death of the kid
700
00:26:54,438 --> 00:26:57,348
on his yellow raft--
I was shell-shocked.
701
00:26:57,398 --> 00:26:58,918
["Jaws" theme plays]
702
00:26:58,965 --> 00:27:00,965
[children shouting]
703
00:27:01,010 --> 00:27:02,230
- [screaming]
- Did you see that?
704
00:27:02,272 --> 00:27:03,972
- Yes.
705
00:27:04,013 --> 00:27:05,673
♪
706
00:27:05,711 --> 00:27:07,191
- [screams]
707
00:27:07,234 --> 00:27:11,544
♪
708
00:27:11,586 --> 00:27:14,106
[children shouting]
709
00:27:14,154 --> 00:27:16,034
♪
710
00:27:16,069 --> 00:27:18,769
- And I was like, "Oh,
Jaws is unrelenting.
711
00:27:18,811 --> 00:27:20,201
"He doesn't care who he eats.
712
00:27:20,247 --> 00:27:22,077
That's it,
we're all doomed."
713
00:27:22,118 --> 00:27:24,208
- Alex?
714
00:27:28,255 --> 00:27:30,205
- At its core,
it's really about
715
00:27:30,257 --> 00:27:32,557
the connective tissue
of these characters
716
00:27:32,607 --> 00:27:34,907
from a community level,
717
00:27:34,957 --> 00:27:37,087
to the family level,
718
00:27:37,133 --> 00:27:39,403
then to these three men
719
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,440
who have taken upon themselves
720
00:27:41,485 --> 00:27:43,355
to go on a boat
and go into the ocean
721
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,270
and hunt
this great white shark.
722
00:27:45,315 --> 00:27:46,965
- Slow ahead.
723
00:27:47,013 --> 00:27:48,753
I can go slow ahead.
Come on down and chum
724
00:27:48,797 --> 00:27:52,577
some of this [bleep].
725
00:27:54,411 --> 00:27:56,721
- Not seeing the shark a lot
726
00:27:56,762 --> 00:27:58,502
was a good thing...
both: Yeah.
727
00:27:58,546 --> 00:28:00,026
- For the audience,
'cause I didn't want
728
00:28:00,069 --> 00:28:02,029
to see it anymore
'cause it was too intense.
729
00:28:02,071 --> 00:28:05,071
- You're going to need
a bigger boat.
730
00:28:05,118 --> 00:28:07,598
- Everybody talks about
731
00:28:07,642 --> 00:28:09,472
how bad this fake shark was.
732
00:28:09,513 --> 00:28:11,253
I cannot believe that,
733
00:28:11,298 --> 00:28:12,868
because the shark
looks incredible.
734
00:28:12,908 --> 00:28:16,698
It doesn't look fake at all
to me.
735
00:28:16,738 --> 00:28:20,218
[sinister music]
736
00:28:20,263 --> 00:28:22,313
- That's why "Jaws" has not
737
00:28:22,352 --> 00:28:25,182
been remade to this day,
is people don't really want
738
00:28:25,225 --> 00:28:26,745
to see a CGI shark.
739
00:28:26,792 --> 00:28:29,452
You don't need to see
more shark.
740
00:28:29,490 --> 00:28:31,010
♪
741
00:28:31,057 --> 00:28:33,057
And you've seen
other shark movies since
742
00:28:33,102 --> 00:28:35,502
where they're CGI sharks
and you're like, "Eh,
743
00:28:35,539 --> 00:28:36,849
I'm good."
[laughing]
744
00:28:36,889 --> 00:28:38,109
"I've already seen Jaws."
745
00:28:38,151 --> 00:28:40,721
- [screaming]
746
00:28:44,461 --> 00:28:46,731
- Humans fear the ferocity
of nature.
747
00:28:46,768 --> 00:28:48,728
It's built into us.
748
00:28:48,770 --> 00:28:50,510
- [screaming]
749
00:28:50,554 --> 00:28:53,514
- But deep down, we know
the biggest threat we face
750
00:28:53,557 --> 00:28:55,257
is the one lurking inside us,
751
00:28:55,298 --> 00:28:57,608
the ferocious beast within.
752
00:28:57,648 --> 00:28:59,428
♪
753
00:29:01,783 --> 00:29:03,793
- Monsters are metaphors.
754
00:29:03,829 --> 00:29:06,009
Name the monster,
name the metaphor.
755
00:29:06,048 --> 00:29:10,618
Joe Dante recommended that
as a game show once.
756
00:29:10,661 --> 00:29:12,661
"Jekyll and Hyde"
is essentially about
757
00:29:12,707 --> 00:29:14,617
psychopharmacology.
758
00:29:14,665 --> 00:29:16,405
- [growls]
- "Frankenstein,"
759
00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:18,970
it's don't [bleep] with God.
760
00:29:19,018 --> 00:29:23,758
- [howling]
761
00:29:23,805 --> 00:29:26,805
- Now werewolves, that's
a whole different story.
762
00:29:26,852 --> 00:29:29,512
I just think werewolves
are just the coolest, man.
763
00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:32,290
I'm not gonna lie, man,
I used to kind of wish
764
00:29:32,335 --> 00:29:33,985
as a kid that I had that.
765
00:29:34,033 --> 00:29:36,993
Like, I just want be a--
one of those werewolf people.
766
00:29:37,036 --> 00:29:39,386
Like, that look like--
go around just looking like
767
00:29:39,429 --> 00:29:41,519
a werewolf all the time, man.
768
00:29:41,562 --> 00:29:43,742
- Werewolves were always evil.
769
00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:45,652
The idea of the werewolf
770
00:29:45,696 --> 00:29:48,606
not as the evil,
aggressive perpetrator
771
00:29:48,656 --> 00:29:52,566
of death and murder but
as the victim of a curse...
772
00:29:52,616 --> 00:29:54,966
that's Hollywood
screenwriter--
773
00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:57,360
that's Curt Siodmak's
invention with "The Wolfman"
774
00:29:57,404 --> 00:29:59,194
in the '40s.
775
00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:01,232
You know, werewolves being
killed by silver bullets--
776
00:30:01,277 --> 00:30:02,757
you know where that came from?
777
00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:04,501
He was listening
to the Lone Ranger,
778
00:30:04,541 --> 00:30:06,461
who had silver bullets,
and he thought,
779
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:09,680
"That's it.
We could melt crucifixes."
780
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,330
So many of Curt Siodmak's
inventions
781
00:30:12,375 --> 00:30:14,985
became ancient lore
782
00:30:15,030 --> 00:30:17,290
of the werewolf.
783
00:30:17,337 --> 00:30:19,167
- Curt Siodmak fled Europe
784
00:30:19,208 --> 00:30:21,078
because of the Nazi threat,
785
00:30:21,123 --> 00:30:24,173
and in the "Wolfman" films
you can see, uh,
786
00:30:24,213 --> 00:30:26,043
things that he's
very consciously put there.
787
00:30:26,085 --> 00:30:28,215
It's no coincidence
that a person
788
00:30:28,261 --> 00:30:30,701
is marked for death
by the appearance
789
00:30:30,741 --> 00:30:32,741
of a star in their palm.
790
00:30:32,787 --> 00:30:34,567
Obviously this was a technique
791
00:30:34,615 --> 00:30:37,175
the--the Nazis used.
792
00:30:37,226 --> 00:30:39,186
- The "Wolfman" films
of the '40s
793
00:30:39,228 --> 00:30:41,878
were a great influence
on two horror classics,
794
00:30:41,927 --> 00:30:43,927
both released in 1981.
795
00:30:43,972 --> 00:30:46,542
- [growling]
- "The Howling"
796
00:30:46,583 --> 00:30:49,203
and "An American Werewolf
in London."
797
00:30:49,238 --> 00:30:51,718
- With "American Werewolf
in London," my intention
798
00:30:51,762 --> 00:30:53,982
was that it's much more
of a horror film.
799
00:30:54,026 --> 00:30:56,896
It happens to be very funny,
and that was deliberate,
800
00:30:56,942 --> 00:30:58,902
but I don't consider it
a comedy.
801
00:30:58,944 --> 00:31:01,514
- This poor guy went abroad
802
00:31:01,555 --> 00:31:04,115
and travelled with his friend
and got bitten
803
00:31:04,166 --> 00:31:07,386
by something unspeakable
and monstrous.
804
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:08,650
- [panting]
805
00:31:08,692 --> 00:31:09,912
[indistinct]
806
00:31:09,955 --> 00:31:12,035
- [roaring]
807
00:31:12,087 --> 00:31:13,737
[growling]
808
00:31:15,221 --> 00:31:16,831
[roars]
809
00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:19,265
- Once he gets bit, uh,
810
00:31:19,312 --> 00:31:21,922
the audience knows
that he's doomed.
811
00:31:21,967 --> 00:31:24,617
- Tomorrow night's
the full moon.
812
00:31:24,665 --> 00:31:26,665
You're gonna change.
813
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:28,540
You'll become...
- I know.
814
00:31:28,582 --> 00:31:30,762
I know.
A monster.
815
00:31:30,801 --> 00:31:33,671
- "American Werewolf
in London," "The Howling"--
816
00:31:33,717 --> 00:31:35,887
those movies were--were really
817
00:31:35,937 --> 00:31:38,107
the age of make-up effects.
818
00:31:38,157 --> 00:31:40,247
- [screaming]
819
00:31:40,289 --> 00:31:42,249
[bones cracking]
820
00:31:42,291 --> 00:31:45,641
[screaming]
- When filmmakers realized,
821
00:31:45,686 --> 00:31:47,906
"Wait a minute,
we can do anything we want.
822
00:31:47,949 --> 00:31:49,559
"We can show a guy
turn into a werewolf.
823
00:31:49,603 --> 00:31:51,693
We can transform people
into zombies."
824
00:31:51,735 --> 00:31:54,165
And you know, up until
that point it was nothing
825
00:31:54,216 --> 00:31:55,906
really on screen--
it was all left
826
00:31:55,957 --> 00:31:57,567
to your imagination.
827
00:31:57,611 --> 00:31:59,871
- "American Werewolf
in London" had, uh,
828
00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:01,918
Rick Baker's effects,
and "The Howling"
829
00:32:01,963 --> 00:32:04,713
had Rob Bottin--
Rick Baker's protégé,
830
00:32:04,748 --> 00:32:06,878
who was doing the effects,
so there's some crossover
831
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:08,485
that they came out
in the same year
832
00:32:08,535 --> 00:32:09,795
and they had some
of the same effects.
833
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,490
- Help me!
834
00:32:11,538 --> 00:32:13,368
Please!
835
00:32:13,409 --> 00:32:15,799
Help me!
836
00:32:15,846 --> 00:32:17,846
- I wanted to show it
in real time.
837
00:32:17,892 --> 00:32:20,422
I wanted it to be
extremely painful.
838
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:22,290
[screaming]
839
00:32:22,331 --> 00:32:24,681
[growling]
840
00:32:24,725 --> 00:32:27,815
- Rick Baker did
that nose extension, uh--
841
00:32:27,858 --> 00:32:29,728
oh, gosh, that was
a beautiful piece of--
842
00:32:29,773 --> 00:32:31,913
of practical work.
- [screaming]
843
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:34,130
[bones cracking]
844
00:32:34,169 --> 00:32:36,079
- I remember watching that
in the theater going,
845
00:32:36,128 --> 00:32:37,738
"How did they do that?"
846
00:32:37,781 --> 00:32:39,781
- The actual head
847
00:32:39,827 --> 00:32:41,997
would change from within.
848
00:32:42,047 --> 00:32:44,917
It would have mechanics in it
849
00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:47,753
that would expand or--
or alter the shape.
850
00:32:47,791 --> 00:32:49,841
- [groaning]
- To me it's like it's--
851
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,230
it's one of my favorite movies
of all time.
852
00:32:52,274 --> 00:32:54,284
It's kind of funny, it's sweet,
853
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,240
and then it's really scary.
854
00:32:56,278 --> 00:32:57,668
And then it's kind of bleak.
855
00:32:57,714 --> 00:32:59,894
- I love you, David.
856
00:32:59,934 --> 00:33:01,594
- And then it has, like,
a sort of a--
857
00:33:01,631 --> 00:33:03,811
you know,
a terribly sad ending,
858
00:33:03,851 --> 00:33:06,381
like most "Wolfman" movies.
- [roars]
859
00:33:08,073 --> 00:33:10,033
[sinister music]
860
00:33:10,075 --> 00:33:11,945
- [growling]
861
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:14,340
- Joe Dante's "The Howling"
is famous
862
00:33:14,383 --> 00:33:16,863
for its terrifying werewolves
863
00:33:16,907 --> 00:33:19,207
and a post-modern
self-awareness
864
00:33:19,258 --> 00:33:21,648
we would later see in films
like "Scream."
865
00:33:21,695 --> 00:33:24,865
- ...is bitten
by a werewolf and lives
866
00:33:24,915 --> 00:33:27,135
becomes a werewolf himself.
867
00:33:27,179 --> 00:33:28,619
- "The Howling"
was the first movie
868
00:33:28,658 --> 00:33:30,488
where the characters don't have
869
00:33:30,530 --> 00:33:32,710
to go to the doctor and ask
what a werewolf is
870
00:33:32,749 --> 00:33:34,839
and the first movie
where the characters, uh,
871
00:33:34,882 --> 00:33:37,062
are not behind the audience.
872
00:33:37,102 --> 00:33:38,892
- It's 80...
873
00:33:38,929 --> 00:33:41,149
Quist...
- [snarling, growling]
874
00:33:41,193 --> 00:33:43,373
[dramatic music]
875
00:33:43,412 --> 00:33:45,072
[roars]
- [yelps]
876
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:48,680
- "The Howling" was
a perfectly-timed movie
877
00:33:48,722 --> 00:33:51,122
about the California
878
00:33:51,159 --> 00:33:54,029
self-help movement period.
879
00:33:54,075 --> 00:33:57,115
It's a great satire
and mockery of that.
880
00:33:58,166 --> 00:33:59,856
- It's a cult where people
881
00:33:59,907 --> 00:34:02,517
all get behind somebody
who they think is going
882
00:34:02,562 --> 00:34:04,562
to change their lives and--
883
00:34:04,607 --> 00:34:07,567
and transform them and, uh...
[stammering]
884
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:09,050
They're actually
all werewolves,
885
00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:10,960
and he's trying to get them
to, um,
886
00:34:11,005 --> 00:34:12,785
adjust to modern life
887
00:34:12,833 --> 00:34:15,533
and not have to, you know...
[laughs]
888
00:34:15,575 --> 00:34:17,315
Kill the mailman and eat him.
889
00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:18,709
- It's a perfect cast.
890
00:34:18,752 --> 00:34:20,452
Dee Wallace, uh,
891
00:34:20,493 --> 00:34:23,103
who got "E.T."
off of that movie...
892
00:34:23,148 --> 00:34:25,148
- [roaring]
893
00:34:25,193 --> 00:34:28,283
- What attracted me
to "The Howling"
894
00:34:28,327 --> 00:34:31,197
was I never looked at it
895
00:34:31,243 --> 00:34:33,073
as a werewolf movie.
896
00:34:33,114 --> 00:34:35,424
I looked at it as a movie
897
00:34:35,464 --> 00:34:37,474
about....
898
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:41,040
good and evil within us...
899
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,169
and the battle
900
00:34:43,211 --> 00:34:46,041
that goes on consistently
901
00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:49,394
in which one's gonna win.
902
00:34:49,435 --> 00:34:51,825
- That notion, uh,
that a person
903
00:34:51,872 --> 00:34:54,142
that you think that you know
are a--
904
00:34:54,179 --> 00:34:56,399
could shape-shift
and change on you--
905
00:34:56,442 --> 00:34:58,792
obviously a metaphor
for a person
906
00:34:58,835 --> 00:35:00,315
that seems very charming
907
00:35:00,359 --> 00:35:03,449
or very, uh,
you know, sophisticated
908
00:35:03,492 --> 00:35:06,282
and cultured,
and then in the privacy
909
00:35:06,321 --> 00:35:07,891
of their own hotel room
910
00:35:07,931 --> 00:35:09,891
they can shift into a monster.
911
00:35:09,933 --> 00:35:12,243
- The werewolf metaphor
reflects our fear
912
00:35:12,284 --> 00:35:13,764
of the beast within,
913
00:35:13,807 --> 00:35:15,767
the primal animal
held in check
914
00:35:15,809 --> 00:35:17,899
by society's rules.
915
00:35:17,941 --> 00:35:20,681
Some horror films
go even further,
916
00:35:20,727 --> 00:35:23,597
showing us humans
can be as monstrous
917
00:35:23,643 --> 00:35:25,343
as the creatures they fight.
918
00:35:25,384 --> 00:35:27,344
- [hollers]
- [screaming]
919
00:35:31,477 --> 00:35:33,257
- [screaming]
920
00:35:33,305 --> 00:35:35,385
- What makes a monster?
921
00:35:35,437 --> 00:35:37,737
It's a question filmmakers
have explored
922
00:35:37,787 --> 00:35:40,307
since the early days
of cinema.
923
00:35:40,355 --> 00:35:42,135
King Kong was a savage beast
924
00:35:42,183 --> 00:35:44,143
whose tender heart proved
no match
925
00:35:44,185 --> 00:35:47,055
for a blonde and biplanes.
926
00:35:47,101 --> 00:35:48,711
- He's alive!
927
00:35:48,755 --> 00:35:50,925
- Frankenstein's monster
was a toddler
928
00:35:50,974 --> 00:35:53,544
in a giant's body,
rejected by his creator...
929
00:35:53,586 --> 00:35:55,366
- [screams]
- [growls]
930
00:35:55,414 --> 00:35:58,114
- Looking for love
and finding only violence
931
00:35:58,156 --> 00:36:00,766
and death.
- [screaming]
932
00:36:00,810 --> 00:36:03,290
- In recent times,
Guillermo del Toro
933
00:36:03,335 --> 00:36:05,285
has made a series
of horror films
934
00:36:05,337 --> 00:36:08,727
exploring the nature
of monstrosity.
935
00:36:08,775 --> 00:36:12,075
It's the theme of his
Academy Award-winning picture,
936
00:36:12,126 --> 00:36:14,996
"The Shape of Water."
937
00:36:15,042 --> 00:36:17,092
The film pits a monster
938
00:36:17,131 --> 00:36:18,611
who's ugly on the outside
939
00:36:18,654 --> 00:36:20,794
against a man who's ugly
on the inside.
940
00:36:20,830 --> 00:36:22,530
- This is what scares you, huh?
941
00:36:22,571 --> 00:36:24,181
Gee, you should be used to it
by now.
942
00:36:24,225 --> 00:36:26,705
- [screams]
- It asks,
943
00:36:26,749 --> 00:36:29,009
"Which would you rather be?"
944
00:36:29,056 --> 00:36:31,576
- What's wonderful about
del Toro's, uh,
945
00:36:31,624 --> 00:36:34,064
gill man, for the lack
of a better word,
946
00:36:34,104 --> 00:36:35,934
is that he is so real
947
00:36:35,976 --> 00:36:38,016
thanks to
the amazing performance
948
00:36:38,065 --> 00:36:40,105
by Doug Jones.
949
00:36:40,154 --> 00:36:42,164
The pantomime skills--
950
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,940
it's so realistic,
so other-worldly.
951
00:36:44,985 --> 00:36:47,935
[eerie music]
952
00:36:47,988 --> 00:36:50,558
♪
953
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:52,859
- When Guillermo first told me
about "The Shape of Water,"
954
00:36:52,906 --> 00:36:55,866
he was very, very specific
to say, "Dougie, you're going
955
00:36:55,909 --> 00:36:58,689
to be playing the romantic
leading man of this movie."
956
00:36:58,738 --> 00:37:00,608
I was like, "Oh."
[exclaims]
957
00:37:00,653 --> 00:37:02,613
"Ooh, in--in a fish suit?
Is this possible?"
958
00:37:02,655 --> 00:37:04,345
But again, I knew, "Okay,
this is coming
959
00:37:04,396 --> 00:37:06,086
"from Guillermo del Toro--
this is gonna work.
960
00:37:06,136 --> 00:37:07,956
He's gonna make this work."
961
00:37:08,008 --> 00:37:10,968
[cheerful music]
962
00:37:11,011 --> 00:37:12,671
♪
963
00:37:12,708 --> 00:37:14,878
Guillermo kept telling me--
didn't want to see human.
964
00:37:14,928 --> 00:37:16,278
"Dougie, no human."
965
00:37:16,321 --> 00:37:18,281
And what he might do
to remind me
966
00:37:18,323 --> 00:37:20,803
he would just give me
like a--a little growl
967
00:37:20,847 --> 00:37:23,327
to remind me, "Oh, yes, right.
968
00:37:23,371 --> 00:37:25,421
Non-human, I gotta--
okay, right."
969
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:27,460
[gurgles]
970
00:37:27,506 --> 00:37:30,676
For instance, there was a--
a particular scene where
971
00:37:30,726 --> 00:37:33,286
Richard Jenkins' character
is talking to me.
972
00:37:33,338 --> 00:37:34,728
- Do you know
what happened to you?
973
00:37:34,774 --> 00:37:36,474
Do you?
Because I don't.
974
00:37:36,515 --> 00:37:38,255
I don't know
what happened to me.
975
00:37:38,299 --> 00:37:40,209
- [gurgles]
- I don't know.
976
00:37:40,258 --> 00:37:41,608
I look in the mirror
and the only thing
977
00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:44,000
that I recognize
are these eyes.
978
00:37:44,044 --> 00:37:45,874
- I--I got caught up
in his story--
979
00:37:45,915 --> 00:37:47,785
his monologue was so beautiful
and so beautifully delivered
980
00:37:47,830 --> 00:37:50,050
that I--I kept wanting
to go, "Hmm.
981
00:37:50,093 --> 00:37:51,923
Yeah."
And that would have been
982
00:37:51,965 --> 00:37:54,225
the wrong body language
for this character,
983
00:37:54,272 --> 00:37:56,752
so I had to think--
I had to think, uh,
984
00:37:56,796 --> 00:37:58,536
"How would the family dog
respond?"
985
00:37:58,580 --> 00:38:00,500
- Sometimes I think I was
either born too early
986
00:38:00,539 --> 00:38:03,239
or too late for my life.
987
00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:06,411
- Guillermo has
a real appreciation
988
00:38:06,458 --> 00:38:08,718
and passionate love
of monsters.
989
00:38:08,764 --> 00:38:11,164
"The Shape of Water" is--
is basically
990
00:38:11,201 --> 00:38:12,731
the romantic side
991
00:38:12,768 --> 00:38:14,938
of "The Creature
from the Black Lagoon."
992
00:38:14,988 --> 00:38:17,638
[sinister music]
993
00:38:17,686 --> 00:38:19,166
- There he is!
994
00:38:19,209 --> 00:38:20,949
- [growls]
995
00:38:20,994 --> 00:38:23,214
- Hearing Guillermo del Toro
talk about his first time
996
00:38:23,257 --> 00:38:24,867
seeing "The Creature
from the Black Lagoon"--
997
00:38:24,911 --> 00:38:27,091
he was about six years old
watching on TV in Mexico.
998
00:38:27,130 --> 00:38:30,000
His first image of seeing
Julie Adams swimming
999
00:38:30,046 --> 00:38:31,606
on the top of the surface
of the water
1000
00:38:31,657 --> 00:38:33,957
and the creature
swimming under her
1001
00:38:34,007 --> 00:38:36,137
would be a horrifying image
to most of us
1002
00:38:36,183 --> 00:38:37,493
but to him it was like,
1003
00:38:37,532 --> 00:38:40,192
"That's so beautiful."
1004
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:42,580
And he really wanted
those two to get together.
1005
00:38:42,624 --> 00:38:46,194
♪
1006
00:38:46,236 --> 00:38:48,196
And when the movie played out
to be not that...
1007
00:38:48,238 --> 00:38:49,628
♪
1008
00:38:49,675 --> 00:38:51,975
- [roaring]
- He was like, "What?"
1009
00:38:52,025 --> 00:38:55,115
He was--he was outraged,
as a six-year-old boy.
1010
00:38:55,158 --> 00:38:56,678
Making "The Shape of Water"
1011
00:38:56,725 --> 00:39:00,075
is like a 46-year journey
into righting that wrong.
1012
00:39:01,121 --> 00:39:03,651
- And all of Guillermo's
best movies
1013
00:39:03,689 --> 00:39:05,389
feel like they come
from the heart.
1014
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:07,390
"Pan's Labyrinth"
1015
00:39:07,432 --> 00:39:09,782
is about a child,
1016
00:39:09,825 --> 00:39:12,955
but it's not a children's film
at all.
1017
00:39:13,002 --> 00:39:15,962
[rousing music]
1018
00:39:16,005 --> 00:39:17,825
♪
1019
00:39:17,877 --> 00:39:20,177
- Another view
of "Alice in Wonderland."
1020
00:39:20,227 --> 00:39:22,927
Little girl goes into
the rabbit hole
1021
00:39:22,969 --> 00:39:26,359
and encounters a new race
of people.
1022
00:39:27,277 --> 00:39:28,797
- Hola?
1023
00:39:28,844 --> 00:39:30,594
- [growling]
1024
00:39:30,629 --> 00:39:33,719
- There's a monster
in "Pan's Labyrinth"
1025
00:39:33,762 --> 00:39:36,372
called "the pale man..."
1026
00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:39,417
who is this tall,
1027
00:39:39,464 --> 00:39:41,994
obscenely pale figure...
1028
00:39:42,031 --> 00:39:44,031
- [wheezing]
1029
00:39:44,077 --> 00:39:46,647
- Who has eyeballs
in his hands.
1030
00:39:46,688 --> 00:39:48,998
- [wheezing]
1031
00:39:52,694 --> 00:39:55,094
- He's blind up here,
but he can look at you
1032
00:39:55,131 --> 00:39:57,091
when he opens his hands,
and his mouth
1033
00:39:57,133 --> 00:39:59,053
is full of fangs.
1034
00:39:59,092 --> 00:40:00,622
- I don't normally get
creeped out
1035
00:40:00,659 --> 00:40:02,399
watching my own work but...
1036
00:40:02,443 --> 00:40:05,193
the pale man made me go...
[exclaims]
1037
00:40:05,228 --> 00:40:07,318
Right?
Which is--so somebody
1038
00:40:07,361 --> 00:40:09,411
did something right if--
if I can get that reaction
1039
00:40:09,450 --> 00:40:12,150
out of myself.
[laughing]
1040
00:40:12,192 --> 00:40:14,062
- [shrieking]
1041
00:40:14,107 --> 00:40:16,327
[sinister music]
1042
00:40:16,370 --> 00:40:18,290
[screaming]
Both in "Pan's Labyrinth"
1043
00:40:18,328 --> 00:40:20,718
and "The Shape of Water,"
the antagonist
1044
00:40:20,766 --> 00:40:22,676
in both stories
is a handsome leading man
1045
00:40:22,724 --> 00:40:24,294
that you would think
would be the one
1046
00:40:24,334 --> 00:40:27,084
who's got it all together...
1047
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,210
and, uh, they're actually
heartless and mean
1048
00:40:30,253 --> 00:40:31,953
and narcissistic
1049
00:40:31,994 --> 00:40:33,614
and absorbed with themselves,
1050
00:40:33,648 --> 00:40:36,478
and will do anything
to get ahead
1051
00:40:36,521 --> 00:40:38,481
at everyone else's expense
around them.
1052
00:40:38,523 --> 00:40:39,703
That's a monster.
1053
00:40:39,741 --> 00:40:42,141
That's a true monster.
1054
00:40:42,178 --> 00:40:44,958
- You know, Michael Shannon
as the FBI agent
1055
00:40:45,007 --> 00:40:47,917
literally starts rotting
in front of our eyes.
1056
00:40:47,967 --> 00:40:49,707
His fingers start
falling off...
1057
00:40:49,751 --> 00:40:51,191
- [hollers]
1058
00:40:51,231 --> 00:40:53,491
- To have the guy
in the rubber suit
1059
00:40:53,538 --> 00:40:55,408
be the sympathetic one
while that monster is--
1060
00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:58,413
is after him,
that's a great twist of--
1061
00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:01,496
of storytelling that del Toro
has really tapped into.
1062
00:41:01,546 --> 00:41:04,326
[tense music]
1063
00:41:04,374 --> 00:41:06,464
I think horror films
are very good
1064
00:41:06,507 --> 00:41:09,117
at giving a voice
to the voiceless
1065
00:41:09,162 --> 00:41:11,212
and empowering the weak.
1066
00:41:11,251 --> 00:41:13,251
We all have some kind
of monster or demon
1067
00:41:13,296 --> 00:41:16,036
that plagues us in some way,
1068
00:41:16,082 --> 00:41:18,042
but to realize,
"With the right dagger
1069
00:41:18,084 --> 00:41:19,874
I can kill that demon,
so I'm gonna."
1070
00:41:19,912 --> 00:41:21,262
Right?
[laughs]
1071
00:41:21,304 --> 00:41:23,574
That's what a horror film
teaches me.
1072
00:41:23,611 --> 00:41:26,531
- Monsters embody
our deepest fears,
1073
00:41:26,571 --> 00:41:29,181
the fears we can't
or won't face,
1074
00:41:29,225 --> 00:41:32,655
the primal fears we need
to repress to stay sane.
1075
00:41:32,707 --> 00:41:34,617
- [screeching]
1076
00:41:34,666 --> 00:41:37,096
- Fears of weakness
and vulnerability.
1077
00:41:37,146 --> 00:41:39,536
Fears of being shunned
by society.
1078
00:41:39,584 --> 00:41:42,594
Fears of giving in
to our worst impulses.
1079
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:44,500
[creature roaring]
1080
00:41:44,545 --> 00:41:45,935
- When the monster
is defeated,
1081
00:41:45,981 --> 00:41:48,201
we win a small victory
1082
00:41:48,244 --> 00:41:50,734
over the terror
of being human.
1083
00:41:50,769 --> 00:41:53,419
- [roaring]
- [screaming]
1084
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,560
[sinister music]
1085
00:41:58,603 --> 00:42:05,613
♪
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