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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:23,720 As America entered the 1980s and '90s, 2 00:00:23,849 --> 00:00:27,509 popular culture was as inundated with violence and death 3 00:00:27,636 --> 00:00:30,376 as it had ever been. 4 00:00:30,508 --> 00:00:34,688 But now, the advent of 24-hour news on cable TV 5 00:00:34,817 --> 00:00:39,687 delivered an endless cycle of these disturbing stories. 6 00:00:39,822 --> 00:00:42,302 They call it the work of the Green River Killer, 7 00:00:42,433 --> 00:00:44,613 probably one man who has murdered 13 young women 8 00:00:44,740 --> 00:00:47,400 near Seattle, case unsolved. 9 00:00:47,525 --> 00:00:50,655 Coverage of violent crime was sensationalized 10 00:00:50,789 --> 00:00:54,529 and seemed to suggest peril around every corner, 11 00:00:54,663 --> 00:00:56,673 while new terrors emerged 12 00:00:56,795 --> 00:00:59,755 as a mysterious disease was introduced, 13 00:00:59,885 --> 00:01:04,925 adding yet another layer of worry and dread. 14 00:01:05,065 --> 00:01:09,325 Manicured suburbs were filled with anxious teenagers 15 00:01:09,460 --> 00:01:11,810 and their stressed-out parents. 16 00:01:11,941 --> 00:01:16,691 There seemed to be no safe place to hide. 17 00:01:16,815 --> 00:01:18,505 Motive-less, random killings, 18 00:01:18,643 --> 00:01:20,783 sometimes thousands of miles apart. 19 00:01:20,906 --> 00:01:22,646 A Justice Department investigator calls it 20 00:01:22,778 --> 00:01:24,478 "terrifying, an epidemic." 21 00:01:24,606 --> 00:01:26,736 They're known as serial killers, 22 00:01:26,869 --> 00:01:28,479 and according to law enforcement officials, 23 00:01:28,610 --> 00:01:30,350 there are at least 35 of them 24 00:01:30,481 --> 00:01:32,741 roaming the country now, stalking victims. 25 00:01:32,875 --> 00:01:34,615 Teenagers processed the onslaught of news 26 00:01:34,746 --> 00:01:36,746 as kids will do-- 27 00:01:36,879 --> 00:01:40,489 feeling vulnerable, alone, and insecure about everything-- 28 00:01:40,622 --> 00:01:42,322 from their place in the world 29 00:01:42,450 --> 00:01:45,240 to their awakening sexual feelings. 30 00:01:46,454 --> 00:01:49,634 Audiences were subjected to a seemingly endless cycle 31 00:01:49,761 --> 00:01:51,891 of exploitative news, 32 00:01:52,024 --> 00:01:54,514 presenting threats from every angle, 33 00:01:54,636 --> 00:01:59,116 suggesting a dangerous world for new modern terrors. 34 00:02:01,121 --> 00:02:05,131 The horror genre became dominated by slasher films 35 00:02:05,255 --> 00:02:07,865 where sexualized teenagers were killed 36 00:02:07,997 --> 00:02:11,347 by merciless, inhuman monsters 37 00:02:11,479 --> 00:02:14,789 punishing them for their transgressions 38 00:02:14,917 --> 00:02:17,697 and while neither they, their helpless parents, 39 00:02:17,833 --> 00:02:20,443 nor the police were able to protect them 40 00:02:20,575 --> 00:02:24,225 from these seemingly unstoppable monsters. 41 00:03:16,805 --> 00:03:18,625 I was a teen in a small town. 42 00:03:18,763 --> 00:03:20,853 I had the typical small-town upbringing, 43 00:03:20,983 --> 00:03:24,473 and so the things that scared me were the idea 44 00:03:24,595 --> 00:03:25,725 that someone could break into your house 45 00:03:25,857 --> 00:03:27,597 and get you when you're asleep. 46 00:03:27,729 --> 00:03:28,859 I was scared of the dark. I was scared-- 47 00:03:28,991 --> 00:03:30,601 I always thought someone was under the bed. 48 00:03:30,732 --> 00:03:32,042 I thought there was someone in the closet. 49 00:03:32,168 --> 00:03:34,478 And I wasn't necessarily scared of monsters 50 00:03:34,605 --> 00:03:36,825 and ghosts and aliens as a child. 51 00:03:36,955 --> 00:03:39,475 I was more scared of the serial killers. 52 00:03:43,614 --> 00:03:45,444 I grew up in the '80s, when not only 53 00:03:45,573 --> 00:03:46,883 were serial killers in our movies, 54 00:03:47,009 --> 00:03:48,659 like in Halloween and Friday the 13th, 55 00:03:48,793 --> 00:03:50,493 but they were also in our world. 56 00:03:56,018 --> 00:03:57,798 You know, with Bundy and Gacy and Dahmer 57 00:03:57,933 --> 00:03:59,673 and all of those, you know-- 58 00:03:59,804 --> 00:04:01,554 serial killers became household names back then. 59 00:04:01,676 --> 00:04:03,106 The assailant entered a house in a quiet, 60 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:05,723 middle-class neighborhood in the predawn hours on Sunday 61 00:04:05,854 --> 00:04:07,254 through an unlocked window 62 00:04:07,377 --> 00:04:09,117 and attacked the couple while they slept. 63 00:04:09,249 --> 00:04:11,639 It just terrifying to me 'cause I lived in a small town 64 00:04:11,773 --> 00:04:13,213 where we didn't lock our doors. 65 00:04:13,340 --> 00:04:14,690 And that scared me 'cause it was real. 66 00:04:14,819 --> 00:04:16,209 Stand by. Ready? Three, take three. My cue. 67 00:04:16,343 --> 00:04:17,873 Ready, camera three. One center up. 68 00:04:17,996 --> 00:04:19,516 Good evening. I'm David Walker. 69 00:04:19,650 --> 00:04:21,910 And I'm Lois Hart. Now here's the news. 70 00:04:22,044 --> 00:04:24,924 CNN started broadcasting in the 1980s, 71 00:04:25,047 --> 00:04:27,617 and the '80s were packed with sensational stories 72 00:04:27,745 --> 00:04:29,355 about serial killers. 73 00:04:33,925 --> 00:04:36,795 Like the trials of Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, 74 00:04:36,928 --> 00:04:38,708 the Hillside Stranglers, 75 00:04:38,843 --> 00:04:40,933 and the capture of Henry Lee Lucas. 76 00:04:41,063 --> 00:04:42,763 They started getting great ratings 77 00:04:42,891 --> 00:04:44,591 showing all of the murders 78 00:04:44,719 --> 00:04:46,419 that were happening in your neighborhood. 79 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:53,159 In New London, Connecticut, 80 00:04:53,293 --> 00:04:56,773 police say a man apparently upset over a family problem 81 00:04:56,905 --> 00:04:59,075 went on a shooting spree aboard an Amtrak train 82 00:04:59,211 --> 00:05:01,691 en route from Washington to Boston. 83 00:05:01,823 --> 00:05:04,743 The brand-new network that was suddenly in everyone's homes 84 00:05:04,869 --> 00:05:07,089 telling you what was happening, and what they were showing you 85 00:05:07,219 --> 00:05:10,569 is that the world you live in is unsafe 86 00:05:10,701 --> 00:05:12,491 because killers are out there. 87 00:05:12,616 --> 00:05:13,436 They're in your neighborhood. 88 00:05:16,838 --> 00:05:19,188 The serial killer next door 89 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:22,669 had become all too real. 90 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,800 In one gruesome case alone, 26 victims' bodies 91 00:05:26,935 --> 00:05:30,975 were carried out of John Wayne Gacy's home in 1978. 92 00:05:31,113 --> 00:05:34,123 In all, Gacy had sexually assaulted 93 00:05:34,246 --> 00:05:36,986 and murdered 33 young men and boys 94 00:05:37,119 --> 00:05:39,989 over a six-year period. 95 00:05:40,122 --> 00:05:44,952 And as always, the horror genre reflected real-life fears 96 00:05:45,083 --> 00:05:48,043 as filmmakers incorporated this national obsession 97 00:05:48,173 --> 00:05:50,053 with psychotic killers 98 00:05:50,175 --> 00:05:53,215 by perfecting the modern slasher movie-- 99 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:56,973 90 minutes of teenagers being chased by a relentless, 100 00:05:57,095 --> 00:06:00,615 enraged, usually masked killer. 101 00:06:00,751 --> 00:06:02,801 The stalker classic Halloween 102 00:06:02,927 --> 00:06:06,927 and films like Friday The 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street 103 00:06:07,062 --> 00:06:09,542 sent teens flocking to the movies 104 00:06:09,673 --> 00:06:11,153 and launched horror franchises 105 00:06:11,283 --> 00:06:15,033 that dominated the multiplexes throughout the '80s. 106 00:06:15,157 --> 00:06:16,897 And that's kind of what '80s horror movies were all about. 107 00:06:22,033 --> 00:06:25,993 They personified evil with this omniscient force 108 00:06:26,124 --> 00:06:28,394 that could not be fucking stopped. 109 00:06:28,518 --> 00:06:29,998 You can throw bullets at these fuckers, man, 110 00:06:30,128 --> 00:06:31,738 throw them off roofs and shit. 111 00:06:31,869 --> 00:06:32,909 Like, they can't be stopped. 112 00:06:33,044 --> 00:06:35,094 Like death, they're relentless. 113 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:36,870 So, you know, it was a wonderful metaphor 114 00:06:37,005 --> 00:06:38,215 for a young Catholic kid 115 00:06:38,354 --> 00:06:40,014 who was already fucking obsessed with death 116 00:06:40,138 --> 00:06:43,708 that like, you know, even-- I didn't need CliffsNotes 117 00:06:43,838 --> 00:06:47,668 to understand, like, oh, we all die eventually. 118 00:06:47,798 --> 00:06:49,628 With the advent of cable television 119 00:06:49,757 --> 00:06:51,887 and the emergence of video stores, 120 00:06:52,020 --> 00:06:53,720 viewers could channel surf 121 00:06:53,848 --> 00:06:56,848 between real monsters and imaginary killers. 122 00:07:01,856 --> 00:07:03,066 The first horror movie I ever saw 123 00:07:03,205 --> 00:07:05,855 was Friday the 13th. 124 00:07:05,990 --> 00:07:07,730 And for whatever reason, I was left alone 125 00:07:07,862 --> 00:07:09,782 in front of the television when I was too young. 126 00:07:09,907 --> 00:07:11,077 I was eight or nine years old. 127 00:07:11,213 --> 00:07:13,003 And it was definitely one of the worst, 128 00:07:13,128 --> 00:07:14,908 scariest nights of my life, and I didn't see a horror movie 129 00:07:15,043 --> 00:07:16,653 for about two or three years after that. 130 00:07:16,784 --> 00:07:17,924 But it had a great effect on me 131 00:07:18,046 --> 00:07:20,786 and clearly informed me in later years. 132 00:07:20,918 --> 00:07:22,658 I had been working on a couple children's shows, 133 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:24,750 and they got put on hold. 134 00:07:29,187 --> 00:07:32,097 I came up with the title Friday the 13th, 135 00:07:32,234 --> 00:07:34,894 and I took out a big ad in Variety saying, 136 00:07:35,019 --> 00:07:37,369 "The most terrifying film ever made. 137 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:40,760 Friday the 13th, coming soon." 138 00:07:40,895 --> 00:07:42,765 And I didn't have anything. 139 00:07:42,897 --> 00:07:45,247 I got a bunch of distributors and countries 140 00:07:45,377 --> 00:07:47,027 where they wanted a piece of something 141 00:07:47,162 --> 00:07:48,952 called Friday the 13th. 142 00:07:58,086 --> 00:07:59,036 When we first came up with this notion 143 00:07:59,174 --> 00:08:01,794 of Friday the 13th, 144 00:08:01,916 --> 00:08:04,786 it was like all these strange little deaths. 145 00:08:04,919 --> 00:08:07,309 Who was gonna go next, and who's gonna survive? 146 00:08:07,443 --> 00:08:09,883 So when we were trying to figure out an ending, 147 00:08:10,011 --> 00:08:13,231 and there were-- [chuckles]-- this took some doing. 148 00:08:13,362 --> 00:08:17,062 I decided that the killer was gonna be Jason's mother. 149 00:08:17,192 --> 00:08:19,802 Betsy Palmer has a public image 150 00:08:19,934 --> 00:08:23,684 of being the nicest person in the world. 151 00:08:23,807 --> 00:08:25,197 So I thought that we could get 152 00:08:25,330 --> 00:08:28,070 at least a few moments of people relaxing. 153 00:08:28,203 --> 00:08:31,253 "Oh, Betsy Palmer's here. We know she's nice." 154 00:08:31,380 --> 00:08:33,820 Did you know that a young boy drowned 155 00:08:33,948 --> 00:08:36,168 the year before those two others were killed? 156 00:08:36,298 --> 00:08:39,208 The counselors weren't paying any attention. 157 00:08:39,344 --> 00:08:41,914 They were making love while that young boy drowned. 158 00:08:44,132 --> 00:08:47,222 His name was Jason. 159 00:08:47,352 --> 00:08:49,182 You wouldn't question that a mother would, 160 00:08:49,311 --> 00:08:51,921 you know, seek revenge for the death of her kid. 161 00:08:52,053 --> 00:08:53,973 So the first movie is definitely horrific, 162 00:08:54,098 --> 00:08:56,098 but, like, it also had this fucking great twist 163 00:08:56,231 --> 00:08:58,711 where it's like, oh, this lady is the killer? 164 00:08:58,842 --> 00:09:00,242 That's kind of crazy. 165 00:09:00,365 --> 00:09:04,935 And then the very next movie, suddenly a star is born. 166 00:09:05,066 --> 00:09:07,066 But they found a way to make Friday the 13th continue 167 00:09:07,198 --> 00:09:10,158 by being like, "Oh, never mind the killer mom. 168 00:09:10,288 --> 00:09:12,768 The boy-- he lived. 169 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:15,030 He's the fucking bad guy from now on. 170 00:09:15,163 --> 00:09:16,953 And we're gonna put a fucking bag on his head!" 171 00:09:17,078 --> 00:09:18,858 Not real great marketing. 172 00:09:18,993 --> 00:09:19,993 But then they got to the third movie, 173 00:09:20,124 --> 00:09:21,304 put a fucking hockey mask on him, 174 00:09:21,430 --> 00:09:23,130 and that changed everything. 175 00:09:23,258 --> 00:09:24,828 Aaah! 176 00:09:24,955 --> 00:09:26,345 Oh! 177 00:09:29,612 --> 00:09:32,182 You see that on a little icon, you're like, "That's a horror." 178 00:09:33,442 --> 00:09:37,052 My first horror movie, like, besides Gremlins, 179 00:09:37,185 --> 00:09:40,575 was Friday the 13th Part III in 3D. 180 00:09:45,019 --> 00:09:47,199 And it was coming out in the movie theaters, 181 00:09:47,325 --> 00:09:49,885 and I wanted to see it more than anything. 182 00:09:50,024 --> 00:09:54,034 Friday the 13th Part 3 in 3D. 183 00:09:54,158 --> 00:09:57,898 - Aah! - A new dimension in terror. 184 00:09:58,032 --> 00:09:59,952 I begged my parents. I begged and begged and begged. 185 00:10:00,077 --> 00:10:01,857 And they were like, "No, no, no. 186 00:10:01,992 --> 00:10:04,042 Under no circumstances can you see that movie. 187 00:10:04,168 --> 00:10:05,998 You're too young. You'll have nightmares forever." 188 00:10:06,127 --> 00:10:10,347 Because these are Jason's woods. 189 00:10:10,479 --> 00:10:13,919 And nobody leaves them alive. 190 00:10:14,831 --> 00:10:18,271 So they were going away on a ski weekend with their friends. 191 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,270 And they had my babysitter, Jill, 192 00:10:20,402 --> 00:10:22,452 who lived across the street, stay with me. 193 00:10:22,578 --> 00:10:25,318 And I remember very vividly them, like, giving Jill 194 00:10:25,450 --> 00:10:27,320 the rundown of, like, "Here are the rules. 195 00:10:27,452 --> 00:10:29,892 Here's the food and some extra money" and yada, yada, yada. 196 00:10:30,020 --> 00:10:32,370 And they were like, "One last thing. 197 00:10:32,501 --> 00:10:34,291 She's gonna try to get you to take her 198 00:10:34,416 --> 00:10:35,936 to see Friday the 13th." 199 00:10:36,070 --> 00:10:38,160 In 3D. 200 00:10:38,289 --> 00:10:41,989 "Under no circumstances-- and I mean no circumstances-- 201 00:10:42,119 --> 00:10:44,079 is she allowed to see that movie." 202 00:10:44,208 --> 00:10:46,248 And Jill's like, "Okay, like, how hard is it 203 00:10:46,384 --> 00:10:48,174 to not take a kid to a movie?" 204 00:10:48,299 --> 00:10:51,129 Like, pretty easy. We have a super-fun night, 205 00:10:51,259 --> 00:10:53,219 watch TV, have popcorn, listen to Madonna. 206 00:10:53,348 --> 00:10:57,048 We go upstairs and go to bed, and I hear talking downstairs. 207 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:04,100 And I snuck downstairs, and I see Jill on the couch 208 00:11:04,228 --> 00:11:08,408 wearing my mom's nightgown with her boyfriend 209 00:11:08,537 --> 00:11:12,187 underneath the quilt that my grandmother made! 210 00:11:12,323 --> 00:11:17,073 And I was like, "Oh, we're gonna go see that movie." 211 00:11:17,198 --> 00:11:19,368 And the next day I said to Jill, 212 00:11:19,504 --> 00:11:22,204 "I'm gonna tell your parents and my parents 213 00:11:22,333 --> 00:11:25,033 if you don't take me to see Friday the 13th in 3D 214 00:11:25,162 --> 00:11:26,212 in the movie theater." 215 00:11:26,337 --> 00:11:28,297 And she was like... 216 00:11:28,426 --> 00:11:31,906 So, sure enough, Saturday matinee. 217 00:11:37,479 --> 00:11:40,479 It was the scariest-- Am I allowed to swear? 218 00:11:42,484 --> 00:11:45,274 The scariest fucking thing to this day 219 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,970 I have ever, ever seen in my life. 220 00:11:50,405 --> 00:11:52,885 I won't go see 3-D movies at all now, 221 00:11:53,016 --> 00:11:54,056 at all, because of it. 222 00:11:54,191 --> 00:11:55,321 It was so fucking scary. 223 00:11:55,453 --> 00:11:57,933 My parents were 110% right. 224 00:11:58,065 --> 00:12:00,195 I should never have seen that movie. 225 00:12:00,328 --> 00:12:02,158 I mean, still to this day, I have nightmares. 226 00:12:02,286 --> 00:12:04,846 But I never told my parents why I was having nightmares. 227 00:12:08,075 --> 00:12:10,985 Fucking hockey mask, man. 228 00:12:13,341 --> 00:12:16,211 I swear I felt like I was born to play that character. 229 00:12:16,344 --> 00:12:18,224 It felt so natural, even from the beginning. 230 00:12:23,264 --> 00:12:25,964 Villains are so scary behind a mask. 231 00:12:26,093 --> 00:12:28,403 It has to be the unknown. 232 00:12:28,530 --> 00:12:30,310 I mean, that has to be a factor to it, 233 00:12:30,445 --> 00:12:33,005 that you're looking at someone, you don't really know 234 00:12:33,143 --> 00:12:34,143 what they really look like. 235 00:12:36,494 --> 00:12:38,934 And not that you'd necessarily want to, 236 00:12:39,062 --> 00:12:41,372 but just that mystery of, 237 00:12:41,499 --> 00:12:44,329 "Who could possibly be behind that mask?" 238 00:12:44,459 --> 00:12:48,459 and the expressionless-ness of it, 239 00:12:48,593 --> 00:12:51,423 whether it's Michael Myers or Jason, 240 00:12:51,553 --> 00:12:53,213 it never changes. 241 00:12:53,337 --> 00:12:59,427 So it's just a scary, unknown entity, 242 00:12:59,561 --> 00:13:02,221 I think, is what makes it so terrifying. 243 00:13:02,346 --> 00:13:04,476 The truth is, Friday the 13th started out 244 00:13:04,609 --> 00:13:07,609 with a reality-based killer, more or less. 245 00:13:07,743 --> 00:13:11,313 You know, it has turned into this sort of iconic story 246 00:13:11,442 --> 00:13:16,842 about this abused kid, Jason. 247 00:13:16,970 --> 00:13:19,490 And I think that inside of that story is something 248 00:13:19,624 --> 00:13:24,194 that's so irresistible to a lot of people. 249 00:13:24,325 --> 00:13:27,145 It's like Revenge of the Nerds on steroids, you know, 250 00:13:27,284 --> 00:13:29,244 and you get to kick ass 251 00:13:29,373 --> 00:13:31,593 all these people that are bugging you. 252 00:13:31,723 --> 00:13:34,163 And I think it is very dependable. 253 00:13:34,291 --> 00:13:36,121 If you're gonna go see a Friday the 13th movie, 254 00:13:36,250 --> 00:13:38,470 you know at this point what you're gonna get. 255 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,300 And we always try to deliver on that, and then a little more. 256 00:13:41,429 --> 00:13:45,039 Probably the biggest thing about Jason 257 00:13:45,172 --> 00:13:48,132 that the audience fears 258 00:13:48,262 --> 00:13:52,742 is the unstoppable nature of the character. 259 00:13:52,875 --> 00:13:57,395 No matter what you do to stop that guy from coming after you, 260 00:13:57,532 --> 00:13:58,932 it doesn't work. 261 00:14:00,187 --> 00:14:02,017 You light the guy on fire, 262 00:14:02,145 --> 00:14:03,925 you blow him up, 263 00:14:04,060 --> 00:14:06,240 you stab him, 264 00:14:06,367 --> 00:14:09,197 you hack him with an ax... 265 00:14:10,371 --> 00:14:11,461 ...he still keeps coming. 266 00:14:14,766 --> 00:14:16,116 After Friday the 13th, 267 00:14:16,246 --> 00:14:18,246 it looked like these little movies, 268 00:14:18,379 --> 00:14:20,559 you know, relatively low-budget movies 269 00:14:20,685 --> 00:14:24,035 that featured a lot of blood and special effects 270 00:14:24,167 --> 00:14:25,687 were going to be successful. 271 00:14:25,821 --> 00:14:29,301 The success of this new wave of genre films 272 00:14:29,433 --> 00:14:32,353 attracted exciting young filmmakers 273 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,310 and inspired them to make horror films infused with fresh ideas, 274 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,100 creative storytelling, innovative cinematography 275 00:14:40,227 --> 00:14:43,357 and spit-and-glue special effects 276 00:14:43,491 --> 00:14:46,021 to get the biggest bang for their buck. 277 00:14:51,891 --> 00:14:55,501 The only reason we ever got into horror in the first place 278 00:14:55,633 --> 00:14:57,423 for my first film, Evil Dead-- 279 00:14:57,548 --> 00:15:00,198 we were terrified of losing the investors' money. 280 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,560 And we knew that horror films was a staple that was out there. 281 00:15:08,690 --> 00:15:10,210 You could get them into drive-ins. 282 00:15:10,344 --> 00:15:12,174 You didn't have to get in fancy theaters. 283 00:15:12,302 --> 00:15:14,302 You could use no-name actors 284 00:15:14,435 --> 00:15:17,085 wearing regular clothes, driving regular cars. 285 00:15:17,220 --> 00:15:19,090 Nothing had to be that fancy. 286 00:15:22,312 --> 00:15:24,712 Why have you disturbed our sleep, 287 00:15:24,836 --> 00:15:28,486 awakened us from our ancient slumber? 288 00:15:28,623 --> 00:15:33,283 Sam I met in eighth grade. 289 00:15:33,410 --> 00:15:35,500 I was walking down the hallway, West Maple Junior High School. 290 00:15:35,630 --> 00:15:37,630 He's sitting in the middle of the hallway 291 00:15:37,762 --> 00:15:40,462 dressed like Sherlock Holmes, playing with dolls. 292 00:15:40,591 --> 00:15:43,071 I was like, "Oh, man. 293 00:15:43,203 --> 00:15:44,603 I'm going around that guy." 294 00:15:44,726 --> 00:15:46,466 I mean, he really left an indelible mark. 295 00:15:46,597 --> 00:15:47,727 I'm like, "People don't do that. 296 00:15:47,859 --> 00:15:49,689 They don't dress like Sherlock Holmes." 297 00:15:49,818 --> 00:15:51,858 And he claimed later he was making a movie. 298 00:15:51,994 --> 00:15:53,434 I'm like, "I didn't see a camera. 299 00:15:53,561 --> 00:15:55,261 I didn't see it anywhere. 300 00:15:55,389 --> 00:15:56,959 I think you were just being a little whack job." 301 00:15:58,609 --> 00:16:02,739 Oh, God. Look at this. 302 00:16:02,874 --> 00:16:07,624 Sam Raimi took a class and read about the Necronomicon. 303 00:16:07,749 --> 00:16:10,579 It was like the Egyptian Book of the Dead. 304 00:16:10,708 --> 00:16:13,278 And he thought, "Hey, that's cool. 305 00:16:13,407 --> 00:16:16,407 Like, that's just this weird book that has conjurings, 306 00:16:16,540 --> 00:16:19,280 and once you conjure them, like, what happens? 307 00:16:19,413 --> 00:16:20,633 I don't know." 308 00:16:20,762 --> 00:16:22,422 So that was really intriguing to him. 309 00:16:22,546 --> 00:16:24,716 And so I think he brought that up 310 00:16:24,853 --> 00:16:27,203 when we decided to make a horror movie. 311 00:16:28,204 --> 00:16:30,254 This guy was a real turd, you know. 312 00:16:30,380 --> 00:16:32,340 Everybody hated him. Everybody. 313 00:16:32,469 --> 00:16:33,469 Like you, kinda. 314 00:16:33,601 --> 00:16:35,471 Released in 1981, 315 00:16:35,603 --> 00:16:38,483 The Evil Dead is the story of a group of friends 316 00:16:38,606 --> 00:16:42,646 that unleash an ancient curse conjured from a Sumerian text. 317 00:16:42,784 --> 00:16:44,664 The film did what horror does best-- 318 00:16:44,786 --> 00:16:48,266 created a meta world with layers of subtext. 319 00:16:48,398 --> 00:16:50,398 You never see the villain. 320 00:16:50,531 --> 00:16:53,581 The evil spirit possesses these kids one by one. 321 00:16:53,708 --> 00:16:55,408 As one critic put it, 322 00:16:55,536 --> 00:16:58,276 "The monster is the camera itself 323 00:16:58,408 --> 00:17:00,538 and whoever is behind it." 324 00:17:00,671 --> 00:17:03,281 In other words, the viewer is part of the scene, 325 00:17:03,413 --> 00:17:05,463 whether they want to be or not. 326 00:17:05,589 --> 00:17:07,849 You hear an incantation. Something comes up. 327 00:17:07,983 --> 00:17:11,473 It possesses you, you know, and has malevolent intent. 328 00:17:11,595 --> 00:17:14,335 So you open-- you opened the wrong book, man. 329 00:17:14,468 --> 00:17:17,168 And so I think Sam kind of ran with it from there. 330 00:17:17,297 --> 00:17:18,337 And Evil Dead came along. 331 00:17:29,004 --> 00:17:31,664 Evil Dead is the most simplistic plot ever, 332 00:17:31,789 --> 00:17:34,659 and it's one that we see to come over and over-- 333 00:17:34,792 --> 00:17:37,492 group of kids go to a cabin, 334 00:17:37,621 --> 00:17:39,411 they find some fucked-up shit there, 335 00:17:39,536 --> 00:17:40,886 and then the movie just keeps going. 336 00:17:41,016 --> 00:17:43,496 But what Evil Dead did is at a time period 337 00:17:43,627 --> 00:17:45,457 where if you were going to a cabin, 338 00:17:45,586 --> 00:17:48,626 you were going to encounter a maniacal redneck killer. 339 00:17:48,763 --> 00:17:51,463 Instead, the entire house is demonic. 340 00:17:51,592 --> 00:17:53,772 Everything is cursed around it. 341 00:17:53,898 --> 00:17:57,548 And just by being there, you're getting the curse, too. 342 00:17:57,685 --> 00:17:59,855 Our special effects were very crude. 343 00:17:59,991 --> 00:18:01,431 Tom Sullivan's like, "I know how to make these 344 00:18:01,558 --> 00:18:02,858 special, cool molds. 345 00:18:02,994 --> 00:18:04,614 We'll make a mold of the actor's face, 346 00:18:04,735 --> 00:18:05,905 and then you can sculpt it 347 00:18:06,041 --> 00:18:08,651 and then put an appliance on their face." 348 00:18:08,783 --> 00:18:11,873 Right? So we'll use plaster of Paris. 349 00:18:12,003 --> 00:18:14,273 Well, anyone who's used plaster of Paris knows 350 00:18:14,397 --> 00:18:17,617 it heats up and as it dries. 351 00:18:17,748 --> 00:18:20,268 Well, okay, so we put a light coating of Vaseline 352 00:18:20,403 --> 00:18:21,713 on Betsy Baker's face. 353 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:23,839 She was the first guinea pig. 354 00:18:23,972 --> 00:18:26,802 This thing starts to heat up. She's like, "How much longer?" 355 00:18:26,931 --> 00:18:29,501 So finally like five minutes later, we go, 356 00:18:29,630 --> 00:18:30,890 "Okay, Betsy, no problem, we're gonna get you out of that." 357 00:18:31,022 --> 00:18:32,722 So all you have to do is lean forward, right? 358 00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:36,330 'Cause the weight of it, of the plaster of Paris, 359 00:18:36,463 --> 00:18:37,993 will pull it off your face. 360 00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:40,677 So it did-- went right off her face, right into her hand. 361 00:18:40,815 --> 00:18:43,425 She looks into the mask, and all of her eyelashes 362 00:18:43,557 --> 00:18:45,947 were in the mold. 363 00:18:46,081 --> 00:18:48,951 It pulled all of her eyelashes off of her face. 364 00:18:49,084 --> 00:18:52,614 And she said, in the most kind of remarkable way-- 365 00:18:52,740 --> 00:18:55,530 she was like more fascinated-- she goes, 366 00:18:55,656 --> 00:18:57,826 "Those are all my eyelashes." 367 00:18:57,962 --> 00:18:59,832 We're like, "Yeah, Betsy. Sorry." 368 00:18:59,964 --> 00:19:01,144 And that was just the beginning. 369 00:19:10,714 --> 00:19:12,594 And then when it finally did come out, 370 00:19:12,716 --> 00:19:15,366 we started to get some pretty bad reviews. 371 00:19:15,502 --> 00:19:16,812 A paper in Atlanta called it 372 00:19:16,938 --> 00:19:19,938 Evil Dead: The Sickest of the Sick. 373 00:19:20,071 --> 00:19:23,601 Sam Raimi took every bad idea he's ever had..." 374 00:19:23,727 --> 00:19:25,857 Ever had. He only made one movie. 375 00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:29,210 "...and put it into a low-budget blender." 376 00:19:29,342 --> 00:19:32,432 I'm like, "What a dick. What a dickish thing to say." 377 00:19:32,562 --> 00:19:34,522 But this new kind of filmmaking, 378 00:19:34,651 --> 00:19:36,521 one that threw in everything 379 00:19:36,653 --> 00:19:38,873 audiences come to love about horror films-- 380 00:19:39,003 --> 00:19:41,703 the campy special effects, ham-fisted dialogue, 381 00:19:41,832 --> 00:19:43,832 and handsome action hero-- 382 00:19:43,965 --> 00:19:46,485 impressed the one guy that mattered. 383 00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:48,620 Enter Stephen King. 384 00:19:48,752 --> 00:19:50,622 He sees it at the Cannes Film Festival. 385 00:19:50,754 --> 00:19:52,634 It's a horror movie. Let's go see it. 386 00:19:52,756 --> 00:19:56,626 And he writes an article in Twilight Zone Magazine 387 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,850 and calls it "the most ferociously original 388 00:19:58,980 --> 00:20:00,810 horror film of the year." 389 00:20:00,938 --> 00:20:03,378 We spit our coffee. We're like, "Wait a second. 390 00:20:03,506 --> 00:20:04,806 Stephen King said that?" 391 00:20:04,942 --> 00:20:06,862 And I don't even know how we tracked him down. 392 00:20:06,988 --> 00:20:10,028 But, "Sir, could we please-- please, can we use that quote?" 393 00:20:10,165 --> 00:20:11,815 He goes, "Yeah." 394 00:20:11,949 --> 00:20:13,689 We were like, "Oh, my God." 395 00:20:13,821 --> 00:20:16,221 So that's on the poster to this day. 396 00:20:16,345 --> 00:20:19,215 Stephen King-- I mean, what an endorsement. 397 00:20:19,348 --> 00:20:21,388 Evil Dead was banned in most countries 398 00:20:21,524 --> 00:20:22,704 and slashed by censors. 399 00:20:22,830 --> 00:20:25,010 It was also on the video nasties list. 400 00:20:25,136 --> 00:20:28,356 Sam Raimi made Evil Dead as this homespun, 401 00:20:28,488 --> 00:20:30,748 guttural exploitation film, 402 00:20:30,881 --> 00:20:32,581 and it's really freaking scary. 403 00:20:32,709 --> 00:20:35,059 We forget about how scary the original Evil Dead is 404 00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:37,450 in light of Evil Dead II and Army of Darkness 405 00:20:37,584 --> 00:20:38,724 and everything to come. 406 00:20:38,846 --> 00:20:41,536 But that first film was horrifying. 407 00:20:41,675 --> 00:20:43,065 It's violent. 408 00:20:43,198 --> 00:20:46,068 The decision to make a completely carnage-filled 409 00:20:46,201 --> 00:20:50,551 horror movie was also a business decision of like, 410 00:20:50,684 --> 00:20:51,824 "We don't want to get lost in the shuffle. 411 00:20:51,946 --> 00:20:53,986 We have to-- This has to be, like, 412 00:20:54,122 --> 00:20:55,692 something people remember when they watch it." 413 00:20:55,819 --> 00:20:58,779 Aaah! 414 00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:07,825 The Evil Dead was a hit. 415 00:21:07,962 --> 00:21:09,922 Audiences ate it up, 416 00:21:10,051 --> 00:21:13,791 and Sam Raimi had a franchise on his hands. 417 00:21:13,924 --> 00:21:15,844 My theory is that horror works. 418 00:21:15,970 --> 00:21:18,630 It's one of the few genres that can get 419 00:21:18,755 --> 00:21:21,885 an audience to react viscerally. 420 00:21:22,019 --> 00:21:24,109 You know, after we put the first Evil Dead out, 421 00:21:24,239 --> 00:21:28,289 we would sit in movie theaters to watch it play with audiences. 422 00:21:28,417 --> 00:21:29,897 And we didn't care about the movie after a while. 423 00:21:30,027 --> 00:21:32,067 It was, we just watched the audience. 424 00:21:32,203 --> 00:21:35,693 You'd see a couple, they got a jacket over their head, 425 00:21:35,816 --> 00:21:36,856 and they're screening the movie 426 00:21:36,991 --> 00:21:38,951 through their sleeve of the jacket, 427 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,950 'cause they only want to see parts of the screen. 428 00:21:42,083 --> 00:21:44,913 They love that feeling that they got of like, 429 00:21:45,042 --> 00:21:47,742 "I'm dead. I'm gonna be dead." 430 00:21:47,871 --> 00:21:49,921 And then after the movie, "I'm not dead." 431 00:21:50,047 --> 00:21:53,747 It's probably very cathartic, why horror works. 432 00:22:01,276 --> 00:22:03,706 As if teenagers didn't already have enough to fear 433 00:22:03,844 --> 00:22:05,634 in their waking hours, 434 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:07,199 Wes Craven came up with something 435 00:22:07,326 --> 00:22:11,106 even more terrifying to torture their subconscious. 436 00:22:11,242 --> 00:22:11,942 We think of Nightmare on Elm Street 437 00:22:12,069 --> 00:22:13,849 as being mainstream now, 438 00:22:13,984 --> 00:22:16,474 but it was a bit alternative back in the day. 439 00:22:20,948 --> 00:22:24,598 I think the original fans were dorm rats 440 00:22:24,734 --> 00:22:26,744 passing around the same old video 441 00:22:26,867 --> 00:22:28,297 and heavy-metal kids 442 00:22:28,434 --> 00:22:29,834 and then their brothers and sisters 443 00:22:29,957 --> 00:22:31,787 or their younger brothers and sisters, 444 00:22:31,915 --> 00:22:33,085 and then, you know, it just began 445 00:22:33,221 --> 00:22:35,921 to permeate the entire culture. 446 00:22:36,050 --> 00:22:39,010 The idea for A Nightmare on Elm Street 447 00:22:39,140 --> 00:22:41,970 came to Wes Craven after he read stories 448 00:22:42,099 --> 00:22:44,969 about healthy young adults screaming incoherently 449 00:22:45,102 --> 00:22:48,762 before dying in their sleep, a mysterious disorder 450 00:22:48,889 --> 00:22:53,019 that came to be known as Nocturnal Death Syndrome. 451 00:22:53,154 --> 00:22:55,984 Craven conjured up the story of a villain 452 00:22:56,113 --> 00:22:58,683 that terrorizes you in your sleep. 453 00:22:58,812 --> 00:23:01,862 And if you die in your dream, you're done for. 454 00:23:01,989 --> 00:23:04,029 While writing the script, 455 00:23:04,165 --> 00:23:07,775 Craven named the nightmare killer after a childhood bully, 456 00:23:07,908 --> 00:23:09,388 Fred Krueger. 457 00:23:09,518 --> 00:23:11,388 Nightmare on Elm Street started on a Friday. 458 00:23:15,002 --> 00:23:17,052 And I couldn't get anyone to go see it with me, 459 00:23:17,178 --> 00:23:19,048 'cause I wanted to see it, like, at noon 460 00:23:19,180 --> 00:23:20,140 and nobody would go and see it with me. 461 00:23:20,268 --> 00:23:22,008 So I had to go see it by myself. 462 00:23:22,139 --> 00:23:23,009 And, of course, who's in the theater at noon? 463 00:23:23,140 --> 00:23:24,970 Nobody. Me. Just me. 464 00:23:25,099 --> 00:23:26,709 So I'm sitting in the theater by myself, 465 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,540 and I'm in Greenville, North Carolina. 466 00:23:31,975 --> 00:23:33,885 And I start watching this movie, 467 00:23:34,021 --> 00:23:35,681 and I get so scared... 468 00:23:35,805 --> 00:23:36,935 Shit. 469 00:23:37,067 --> 00:23:38,067 ...and I get a cramp in my leg. 470 00:23:38,199 --> 00:23:39,639 I had to walk up and down the aisle 471 00:23:39,766 --> 00:23:40,846 'cause I wouldn't leave the theater. 472 00:23:40,984 --> 00:23:42,514 I had to see what was gonna happen. 473 00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:49,079 And I changed seats and I moved closer to the exit. 474 00:23:49,210 --> 00:23:52,300 And, I mean, I was terrified. That movie really scared me. 475 00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:54,821 It actually scared me the first three times I saw it. 476 00:23:54,955 --> 00:23:56,735 I had to go back and see it again, 477 00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:59,090 and it scared me almost more so than the first time 478 00:23:59,220 --> 00:24:00,700 because I knew what was gonna happen, 479 00:24:00,830 --> 00:24:02,830 so I was scared before it happened. 480 00:24:02,963 --> 00:24:04,923 That movie was awesome. 481 00:24:05,052 --> 00:24:08,842 Nightmare on Elm Street is about a serial killer, 482 00:24:08,969 --> 00:24:13,019 Freddy Krueger, who haunts you in your dreams, you know? 483 00:24:13,147 --> 00:24:16,927 And he is-- he's taken revenge on the children of Elm Street 484 00:24:17,064 --> 00:24:18,154 for something that their parents did. 485 00:24:18,282 --> 00:24:19,982 And he comes to them in their dreams, 486 00:24:20,110 --> 00:24:21,940 and if you die in your dreams, you die for real. 487 00:24:22,069 --> 00:24:23,109 Dreams are a safe place. 488 00:24:23,244 --> 00:24:24,904 Dreams are where fun things happen. 489 00:24:25,028 --> 00:24:27,768 Dreams are where you wake up and it's over. 490 00:24:27,901 --> 00:24:30,341 And the idea that whatever taunts you 491 00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:33,119 and stalks you in your dreams can come to reality, 492 00:24:33,254 --> 00:24:35,344 or if you die in your dreams, you die for good-- 493 00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:37,614 I mean, that's beyond your control. That's terrifying. 494 00:24:42,045 --> 00:24:46,395 As a horror theme and as a trap, 495 00:24:46,528 --> 00:24:49,968 the nightmares-- the dream, the bad dream, the gimmick-- 496 00:24:50,097 --> 00:24:51,707 it's universal. 497 00:24:54,014 --> 00:24:56,154 To have also it inhabited 498 00:24:56,277 --> 00:24:59,757 by this man that lives in that world... 499 00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:06,510 this boogieman that inhabits the dream, 500 00:25:06,635 --> 00:25:07,895 once you've heard of him, you know, 501 00:25:08,028 --> 00:25:08,938 he can get to your subconscious... 502 00:25:09,072 --> 00:25:10,942 Who are you? 503 00:25:11,074 --> 00:25:13,774 ...and take you down, down the stairs 504 00:25:13,903 --> 00:25:15,953 into the nightmare boiler room. 505 00:25:18,081 --> 00:25:21,001 That movie had such a deep impact on me. 506 00:25:26,046 --> 00:25:27,526 Took place in the suburbs. 507 00:25:27,656 --> 00:25:30,176 I grew up in the suburbs, newly integrated suburbs. 508 00:25:30,311 --> 00:25:33,051 So there was sort of a feeling of unease. 509 00:25:33,183 --> 00:25:34,973 You didn't know how your neighbors felt about you. 510 00:25:35,098 --> 00:25:36,538 You didn't know what would pop off. 511 00:25:36,665 --> 00:25:38,225 We had people throwing tomatoes against our house 512 00:25:38,362 --> 00:25:40,152 and all kinds of stuff. 513 00:25:40,277 --> 00:25:42,717 So the suburban horror feel had me from hello. 514 00:25:42,845 --> 00:25:44,975 Wes wanted that. 515 00:25:45,108 --> 00:25:48,938 He wanted this sort of damaged suburbia. 516 00:25:49,896 --> 00:25:52,936 And he was making the adults in these movies 517 00:25:53,073 --> 00:25:55,213 vulnerable and flawed. 518 00:25:56,206 --> 00:26:00,556 That meant the kids were sort of without adults for advice. 519 00:26:02,299 --> 00:26:03,869 It really dealt with the sins of our fathers. 520 00:26:03,997 --> 00:26:05,087 I mean, these children were pretty innocent. 521 00:26:05,215 --> 00:26:06,515 It was what their parents did 522 00:26:06,652 --> 00:26:07,962 that they were being punished for. 523 00:26:08,088 --> 00:26:09,128 It was out of their control. 524 00:26:09,263 --> 00:26:10,873 This man was coming for them 525 00:26:11,004 --> 00:26:12,404 because of something their parents did. 526 00:26:12,527 --> 00:26:14,307 So that sort of "sins of our father" theme 527 00:26:14,442 --> 00:26:17,232 that ran through that movie, I thought was really scary. 528 00:26:17,358 --> 00:26:20,358 There's something about the way Freddy moves 529 00:26:20,491 --> 00:26:23,971 that's animal-like, that's cat-like, 530 00:26:24,104 --> 00:26:26,244 that's even reptilian at times. 531 00:26:26,367 --> 00:26:28,277 And I think that that's what I bring 532 00:26:28,412 --> 00:26:32,112 to sort of Freddy's scare factor. 533 00:26:32,242 --> 00:26:36,122 The claw with the knife fingers 534 00:26:36,246 --> 00:26:38,986 on the old gardening glove-- 535 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,909 that not only manifests great in silhouette and shadow, 536 00:26:43,036 --> 00:26:46,206 but it's something about it extending evil 537 00:26:46,343 --> 00:26:50,043 or amplifying the evil that is just Freddy. 538 00:26:50,173 --> 00:26:52,263 That is the scariest thing-- those knives, 539 00:26:52,393 --> 00:26:56,273 the taunting nature of his attacks. 540 00:26:56,397 --> 00:26:59,967 Freddy Krueger definitely was my scariest villain. 541 00:27:06,581 --> 00:27:09,451 The push is on to find a cure for AIDS. 542 00:27:09,584 --> 00:27:12,984 Since June of 1981, about 1,800 cases have been reported, 543 00:27:13,109 --> 00:27:14,549 mostly in the gay community, 544 00:27:14,676 --> 00:27:17,326 and more than 600 people have died. 545 00:27:17,461 --> 00:27:19,861 In the early '80s, nothing was more terrifying 546 00:27:19,986 --> 00:27:21,336 than an unidentified virus 547 00:27:21,465 --> 00:27:23,285 that could incubate in the body for years 548 00:27:23,424 --> 00:27:26,954 and, when it struck, was a death sentence. 549 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,430 There was panic in the air as the AIDS epidemic 550 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,000 decimated a generation of gay men. 551 00:27:33,129 --> 00:27:35,919 During the process, many people lost their sense of compassion 552 00:27:36,045 --> 00:27:38,785 and replaced it with homophobia. 553 00:27:38,918 --> 00:27:40,528 And AIDS generally caused 554 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:43,969 and believed to be caused by homosexual promiscuity. 555 00:27:44,097 --> 00:27:46,137 While doctors tried desperately to save lives 556 00:27:46,273 --> 00:27:49,283 and scientists pieced together how to fight it, 557 00:27:49,406 --> 00:27:52,056 the Reagan administration ignored the crisis. 558 00:27:52,192 --> 00:27:56,242 But horror filmmakers did not. 559 00:27:56,370 --> 00:27:58,980 When I moved to New York in the early '80s, 560 00:27:59,112 --> 00:28:01,812 AIDS did not exist in anybody's awareness. 561 00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:09,380 And then there was this thing called "gay cancer" 562 00:28:09,513 --> 00:28:12,343 in the Village, which just seems arbitrary and strange. 563 00:28:12,473 --> 00:28:14,133 And then suddenly it had a name-- AIDS. 564 00:28:14,257 --> 00:28:15,427 And then suddenly people were dying. 565 00:28:15,563 --> 00:28:18,263 And it was a slow-motion horror movie. 566 00:28:18,392 --> 00:28:20,312 I'd been diagnosed with AIDS-related complex 567 00:28:20,437 --> 00:28:22,137 for two and a half years now, 568 00:28:22,265 --> 00:28:24,005 and there's absolutely no drug I can take, 569 00:28:24,137 --> 00:28:26,097 and I'm slowly getting worse and worse. 570 00:28:26,226 --> 00:28:28,316 That's why we're here, to make a point. 571 00:28:28,445 --> 00:28:31,445 It took something which was potent and magical 572 00:28:31,579 --> 00:28:33,189 at that point-- sexuality-- 573 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,410 and mixed it with the possibility of death. 574 00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:38,500 I was just coming into my own as an adult 575 00:28:38,629 --> 00:28:41,149 during the AIDS crisis, and I moved to New York, 576 00:28:41,284 --> 00:28:46,384 where The Village Voice was writing all of these articles 577 00:28:46,507 --> 00:28:49,247 on the lack of response the government had 578 00:28:49,379 --> 00:28:51,289 towards the AIDS crisis, and all these people were dying. 579 00:28:51,425 --> 00:28:52,985 You know, you were like, 580 00:28:53,122 --> 00:28:55,122 "Is being my true self gonna kill me?" 581 00:28:55,690 --> 00:28:57,170 The political climate was such 582 00:28:57,300 --> 00:28:58,480 that they didn't even speak of it. 583 00:28:58,606 --> 00:29:00,426 And so AIDS was a very terrifying thing 584 00:29:00,564 --> 00:29:03,264 because there was so much that was unknown about it. 585 00:29:03,393 --> 00:29:05,483 It is hard to explain to people 586 00:29:05,613 --> 00:29:09,183 who didn't live through the AIDS crisis how bad it was. 587 00:29:09,312 --> 00:29:11,232 AIDS is surreptitiously spreading 588 00:29:11,358 --> 00:29:13,098 throughout our population, 589 00:29:13,229 --> 00:29:16,359 and yet we have no accurate measure of its scope. 590 00:29:16,493 --> 00:29:19,413 I've asked the Department of Health and Human Services 591 00:29:19,540 --> 00:29:21,020 to add the AIDS virus 592 00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:23,460 to the list of contagious diseases 593 00:29:23,587 --> 00:29:26,197 for which immigrants and aliens seeking permanent residence 594 00:29:26,329 --> 00:29:29,329 in the United States can be denied entry. 595 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:34,419 You had people in Congress 596 00:29:34,555 --> 00:29:36,555 saying you could get AIDS from mosquitoes, 597 00:29:36,687 --> 00:29:39,387 water fountains, someone spitting at you. 598 00:29:39,516 --> 00:29:41,476 You had idiots like me believing stories 599 00:29:41,605 --> 00:29:43,165 that someone at the mall was gonna scratch me 600 00:29:43,303 --> 00:29:45,043 with a needle and give me AIDS. 601 00:29:45,174 --> 00:29:47,224 We were out of our minds with panic. 602 00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:50,660 Movies like The Thing and The Fly 603 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:54,529 acted as a release valve for the feelings of helplessness 604 00:29:54,662 --> 00:29:58,492 against a killer no one could see. 605 00:29:58,622 --> 00:30:00,622 And you find that vampire fiction pops up 606 00:30:00,755 --> 00:30:03,145 and gets super popular when there's a disease around. 607 00:30:06,413 --> 00:30:09,163 Fright Night is a perfect example, 608 00:30:09,285 --> 00:30:13,455 which really encapsulates all those fears of the sexually, 609 00:30:13,594 --> 00:30:16,124 you know, dick-slinging dude who lives next door. 610 00:30:18,164 --> 00:30:21,564 Like, what's he's spreading around? 611 00:30:21,689 --> 00:30:25,079 When I did Fright Night, which would have been in '84, 612 00:30:25,214 --> 00:30:28,444 uh, there was just some kind of disease 613 00:30:28,565 --> 00:30:30,215 that seemed to be affecting a lot of gays, 614 00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:31,960 but nobody knew why. 615 00:30:36,617 --> 00:30:40,267 I was losing gay friends that I loved. 616 00:30:40,403 --> 00:30:43,233 And I lost somebody that I really cared about. 617 00:30:43,363 --> 00:30:45,193 But we-- it was a sickness. 618 00:30:45,321 --> 00:30:48,501 We knew it, but we didn't know what the hell it was. 619 00:30:48,629 --> 00:30:50,239 People were starting to die. 620 00:30:50,370 --> 00:30:52,420 But the word "AIDS" was not around. 621 00:30:53,329 --> 00:30:56,509 You don't have to be afraid of me. 622 00:30:56,637 --> 00:31:00,637 I know what it's like being different. 623 00:31:00,771 --> 00:31:04,951 Only they won't pick on you anymore or beat you up. 624 00:31:07,169 --> 00:31:08,129 I'll see to that. 625 00:31:10,651 --> 00:31:12,441 All you have to do is take my hand. 626 00:31:12,566 --> 00:31:14,656 When I had Evil Ed, 627 00:31:14,785 --> 00:31:17,265 and Jerry says, "Take my hand"-- 628 00:31:17,397 --> 00:31:20,357 Jerry Dandridge, the vampire, says, to Evil Ed, the boy, 629 00:31:20,487 --> 00:31:23,227 "Take my hand and I'll make sure they never bother you 630 00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:26,149 or bully you in school again," 631 00:31:26,275 --> 00:31:27,925 and that was speaking to every gay kid out there 632 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:31,240 that felt different and that couldn't come out about it. 633 00:31:38,548 --> 00:31:42,548 I put the gay overtones into it. 634 00:31:42,683 --> 00:31:45,473 Billy Cole's relationship with Jerry Dandridge-- 635 00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,519 he's the Guardian, the ghoul, 636 00:31:48,645 --> 00:31:50,555 the one who protects him during the day. 637 00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:53,041 But they could be lovers. Who knows? 638 00:31:56,740 --> 00:31:59,220 What are you-- 639 00:31:59,352 --> 00:32:00,662 All that was in there and it was meant 640 00:32:00,788 --> 00:32:03,968 to promote tolerance, you know, 641 00:32:04,096 --> 00:32:08,446 but in the day when that was not fashionable at all. 642 00:32:08,578 --> 00:32:11,798 So, yes, that was in there, and that was because 643 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:15,720 I was touched and I was moved because I was losing friends. 644 00:32:15,846 --> 00:32:19,456 Horror movies are where we talk about 645 00:32:19,589 --> 00:32:22,589 what we don't want to talk about in day-to-day life-- 646 00:32:22,723 --> 00:32:26,383 outcasts and marginalized people who society feared. 647 00:32:26,509 --> 00:32:29,819 And I think it's a very, very short step sideways 648 00:32:29,948 --> 00:32:33,598 to get to gay men and the fear of them during the AIDS crisis 649 00:32:33,734 --> 00:32:37,354 and how sex and death and marginalized people 650 00:32:37,477 --> 00:32:39,387 were all linked together. 651 00:32:39,522 --> 00:32:40,482 When I came out with Fright Night, 652 00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:41,740 it was about vampires, 653 00:32:41,872 --> 00:32:43,402 and I went around with everybody, 654 00:32:43,526 --> 00:32:45,176 all the studios were saying to me, "Vampires? 655 00:32:45,311 --> 00:32:46,751 Nobody wants to see vampires." 656 00:32:46,877 --> 00:32:49,357 Because nobody wants to see vampire killers anymore, 657 00:32:49,489 --> 00:32:51,269 or vampires either. 658 00:32:51,404 --> 00:32:53,754 Apparently all they want are demented madmen 659 00:32:53,884 --> 00:32:57,194 running around in ski masks, hacking up young virgins. 660 00:32:57,323 --> 00:32:59,243 The vampire genre was dead and buried. 661 00:33:01,805 --> 00:33:03,545 One of the things that's also really interesting 662 00:33:03,677 --> 00:33:06,507 about vampires is they're the monster that looks like us. 663 00:33:06,636 --> 00:33:09,286 They live amongst us undetected. 664 00:33:09,422 --> 00:33:11,252 Hello, Charlie. 665 00:33:12,207 --> 00:33:14,207 We don't know if our neighbor is a vampire. 666 00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:15,470 I mean, they don't go outdoors at night. 667 00:33:15,602 --> 00:33:16,562 There are no mirrors in their house. 668 00:33:16,690 --> 00:33:18,560 They don't cast a shadow. 669 00:33:22,174 --> 00:33:25,534 There's something very funny at the idea of that-- 670 00:33:25,655 --> 00:33:29,305 of a boy, of a teenage horror fan 671 00:33:29,442 --> 00:33:32,662 trying to convince the police, his mother, his friends, 672 00:33:32,793 --> 00:33:34,843 that there is a vampire living next door. 673 00:33:34,969 --> 00:33:36,539 That's a funny idea. 674 00:33:36,666 --> 00:33:39,316 You hear that idea, and you smile and giggle. 675 00:33:39,452 --> 00:33:42,242 They did kill a girl over there. 676 00:33:42,368 --> 00:33:43,198 How late did you stay up studying? 677 00:33:43,325 --> 00:33:44,715 Mom, I'm not sick! 678 00:33:44,848 --> 00:33:46,628 The guy did have fangs, 679 00:33:46,763 --> 00:33:48,553 and a bat did fly over my head, 680 00:33:48,678 --> 00:33:50,418 and a second later, he stepped out of the shadows. 681 00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:52,330 Don't you see what that means? 682 00:33:52,465 --> 00:33:53,805 Wait, let me guess. 683 00:33:53,944 --> 00:33:55,424 What? 684 00:33:55,555 --> 00:33:58,335 He's a vampire. 685 00:33:58,471 --> 00:33:59,651 A what? 686 00:33:59,776 --> 00:34:01,516 If you look at Fright Night, 687 00:34:01,648 --> 00:34:04,828 it's Charley Brewster, the kid next door, 688 00:34:04,955 --> 00:34:07,515 trying to stop the bloodsucker next door. 689 00:34:07,654 --> 00:34:10,354 And his girlfriend is in danger of being seduced. 690 00:34:10,483 --> 00:34:14,183 But the real hero's journey is Peter Vincent. 691 00:34:15,836 --> 00:34:17,706 Peter Vincent's a great vampire killer 692 00:34:17,838 --> 00:34:21,318 because he's a ham actor and his whole life 693 00:34:21,450 --> 00:34:24,020 is built on what he considers a lie. 694 00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:25,759 Vampire killers? There are no vampires. 695 00:34:25,889 --> 00:34:28,849 That's the most ridiculous thing in the world, and then... 696 00:34:28,979 --> 00:34:30,759 - Come on, let's get out of here. - Just a minute. 697 00:34:30,894 --> 00:34:32,724 That goes for you, too, Ed. 698 00:34:32,853 --> 00:34:34,513 I expect we have a lot of the same interests, 699 00:34:34,637 --> 00:34:36,637 you know, in horror movies and the occult. 700 00:34:39,816 --> 00:34:41,506 Something wrong, Mr. Vincent? 701 00:34:41,644 --> 00:34:44,734 Peter Vincent rises to the occasion. 702 00:34:44,865 --> 00:34:48,385 He goes in with Charley into the Dandridge house 703 00:34:48,521 --> 00:34:51,311 to do battle with the most ferocious vampire 704 00:34:51,437 --> 00:34:55,527 and his ghoulish assistant, Billy Cole. 705 00:34:55,658 --> 00:34:58,528 He finds his courage. He's The Cowardly Lion. 706 00:34:58,661 --> 00:35:01,621 He does that because he likes the kids. 707 00:35:01,751 --> 00:35:03,801 He likes Charley, and he likes Amy. 708 00:35:03,927 --> 00:35:05,887 And if he doesn't help them, 709 00:35:06,016 --> 00:35:08,756 Jerry Dandridge is gonna turn her into a vampire. 710 00:35:08,889 --> 00:35:12,329 A horror movie is effective in direct proportion 711 00:35:12,458 --> 00:35:14,588 to how much you care about the people 712 00:35:14,721 --> 00:35:16,681 whose lives are in danger. 713 00:35:16,810 --> 00:35:19,250 Ah! Ah! 714 00:35:19,378 --> 00:35:20,728 Aaaah! 715 00:35:20,857 --> 00:35:23,157 No! 716 00:35:31,738 --> 00:35:35,608 In 1987, the criticism of aggressive capitalism 717 00:35:35,742 --> 00:35:36,872 in the Oliver Stone film Wall Street 718 00:35:37,004 --> 00:35:39,054 was somewhat lost on a public 719 00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:42,750 that saw glamour and status in the pursuit of more money 720 00:35:42,879 --> 00:35:47,539 or drugs or cars or everything, 721 00:35:47,667 --> 00:35:52,017 a culture that celebrated excess. 722 00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:56,630 But horror films like Poltergeist and Society 723 00:35:56,763 --> 00:35:58,773 made their own commentary 724 00:35:58,895 --> 00:36:02,325 about America's conspicuous consumerism 725 00:36:02,464 --> 00:36:04,954 and economic inequality. 726 00:36:05,075 --> 00:36:08,635 Just a year after Wall Street was released, 727 00:36:08,775 --> 00:36:11,685 They Live tackled America's existential crisis 728 00:36:11,821 --> 00:36:14,561 of averse and greed 729 00:36:14,694 --> 00:36:17,654 and the conflict between the haves and the have nots. 730 00:36:18,437 --> 00:36:22,697 I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass. 731 00:36:26,009 --> 00:36:28,969 And I'm all out of bubble gum. 732 00:36:29,099 --> 00:36:32,489 My favorite two films are The Shining and They Live. 733 00:36:32,625 --> 00:36:33,925 Like, the first time I ever heard of They Live 734 00:36:34,061 --> 00:36:37,021 was a friend of mine in middle school, 735 00:36:37,151 --> 00:36:40,681 and he couldn't remember the name of the movie. 736 00:36:40,807 --> 00:36:42,457 But he kept telling me about-- he's like, 737 00:36:42,591 --> 00:36:43,981 "There's this film where this guy, 738 00:36:44,114 --> 00:36:46,734 he puts on a pair of sunglasses and he sees aliens." 739 00:36:46,856 --> 00:36:49,816 And I thought he was completely making it up. 740 00:36:49,946 --> 00:36:51,426 I've got one that can see. 741 00:36:56,083 --> 00:36:57,483 They Live is sort of a movie 742 00:36:57,606 --> 00:36:59,906 that's light-years ahead of its time. 743 00:37:00,043 --> 00:37:03,443 It's really a film about the reality that we live in. 744 00:37:03,569 --> 00:37:06,569 They Live is incredibly about Reaganomics. 745 00:37:06,702 --> 00:37:08,232 Like, that is the focus of it. 746 00:37:12,795 --> 00:37:15,095 We see this guy. He is working-class. 747 00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:18,763 He's going from gig to gig, trying to start-- find jobs. 748 00:37:18,888 --> 00:37:21,938 The movie even opens with him in kind of an encampment 749 00:37:22,065 --> 00:37:24,715 in downtown L.A., trying to find another gig 750 00:37:24,851 --> 00:37:27,851 and figure out what's next. 751 00:37:27,984 --> 00:37:29,204 And through a course of events, 752 00:37:29,334 --> 00:37:30,904 he happens upon a pair of sunglasses 753 00:37:31,031 --> 00:37:33,861 that literally reveal the world to him 754 00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:35,860 and show him that everything 755 00:37:35,992 --> 00:37:39,782 that he has believed about society is utter shit. 756 00:37:39,909 --> 00:37:43,609 You're always looking for a visual way in movies 757 00:37:43,739 --> 00:37:45,259 to get your point across. 758 00:37:49,963 --> 00:37:52,443 And in this case, in They Live, 759 00:37:52,574 --> 00:37:53,924 I wanted to show the difference 760 00:37:54,054 --> 00:37:56,974 between the reality that we all live in 761 00:37:57,100 --> 00:38:00,450 and the reality that exists for the aliens, 762 00:38:00,582 --> 00:38:02,502 which is very different. 763 00:38:02,628 --> 00:38:05,498 So I came up with sunglasses. 764 00:38:05,631 --> 00:38:06,891 What's your problem? 765 00:38:07,023 --> 00:38:08,943 With the glasses on, you see the truth. 766 00:38:09,069 --> 00:38:12,899 You take the glasses off, it's all deception. 767 00:38:13,029 --> 00:38:15,469 I said, what's your problem? 768 00:38:15,597 --> 00:38:17,817 The first time I saw 769 00:38:17,947 --> 00:38:19,817 you know, the reveal, it's like, 770 00:38:19,949 --> 00:38:21,649 "That shit's creepy." 771 00:38:27,217 --> 00:38:29,347 I was like, you know, "What was the inspiration 772 00:38:29,481 --> 00:38:32,011 for that," you know? And I asked John and he said, 773 00:38:32,135 --> 00:38:34,005 "Well, it came to me in a dream one night," 774 00:38:34,137 --> 00:38:36,837 and I said, "Whoa. I don't want to be in your head." 775 00:38:36,966 --> 00:38:39,486 Well, the role in They Live of John Nada 776 00:38:39,621 --> 00:38:41,581 was a working man. 777 00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:43,840 He was a guy who works with his hands. 778 00:38:43,973 --> 00:38:45,853 He was working poor. 779 00:38:45,975 --> 00:38:50,845 So a movie star-type guy doesn't-- I don't believe. 780 00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:54,550 But Roddy I believed 'cause he came from the streets. 781 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,900 He had some mileage on him. 782 00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:58,810 He was perfect for the role. 783 00:38:58,945 --> 00:39:01,895 Frank and Nada met as two homeless guys. 784 00:39:02,035 --> 00:39:03,555 There's a place over on Fourth Street. 785 00:39:03,689 --> 00:39:05,129 They got hot food and showers. 786 00:39:05,255 --> 00:39:07,475 I'm going that way if you want me to show you. 787 00:39:09,477 --> 00:39:12,867 And what we represented was the working homeless. 788 00:39:13,002 --> 00:39:15,002 Nobody ever talks about that. 789 00:39:15,135 --> 00:39:16,955 But there are a lot of guys who are homeless. 790 00:39:17,093 --> 00:39:19,143 They just can't afford housing. 791 00:39:19,269 --> 00:39:25,319 It reeks of how our government does not take care of us. 792 00:39:25,450 --> 00:39:26,800 In the richest country in the world, 793 00:39:26,929 --> 00:39:28,759 still you have all this, you know, 794 00:39:28,888 --> 00:39:30,978 devastating homelessness. 795 00:39:31,107 --> 00:39:34,587 You have, you know, a lot of haves. 796 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:39,120 And nobody wants to deal with the have nots. 797 00:39:39,246 --> 00:39:41,676 They Live doesn't feel like a lot of '80s horror films, 798 00:39:41,814 --> 00:39:44,124 because when we look at 1980s, what we're seeing 799 00:39:44,251 --> 00:39:46,041 is these really flashy horror films, 800 00:39:46,166 --> 00:39:48,036 and they're about upper middle-class kids 801 00:39:48,168 --> 00:39:50,778 who are ripped from their, you know, fancy lives 802 00:39:50,910 --> 00:39:52,830 and forced to deal with a killer. 803 00:39:52,955 --> 00:39:56,215 But They Live is talking about poor society from the beginning. 804 00:39:56,350 --> 00:40:00,530 It's a marginalized group who is fighting this massive machine. 805 00:40:00,659 --> 00:40:02,049 Look, you crazy mother-- 806 00:40:02,182 --> 00:40:04,712 - Put these on. - Hey! Stay away from me. 807 00:40:04,837 --> 00:40:07,057 I'm telling you, you dumb son of a-- 808 00:40:07,187 --> 00:40:08,877 I think, like, the thing that I found most impressive 809 00:40:09,015 --> 00:40:12,575 about the film initially was the big fight scene... 810 00:40:16,109 --> 00:40:18,889 ...that they just did this long sequence without any music, 811 00:40:19,025 --> 00:40:21,715 and it's just these characters beating up each other. 812 00:40:21,854 --> 00:40:23,514 I don't want to fight you. Stop it! 813 00:40:23,638 --> 00:40:25,028 No! 814 00:40:25,161 --> 00:40:28,901 Roddy Piper, the actor who plays John Nada, 815 00:40:29,035 --> 00:40:30,905 is a professional wrestler. 816 00:40:31,037 --> 00:40:34,817 And what better opportunity than to do a very long, 817 00:40:34,954 --> 00:40:38,784 involved, extended fight scene? 818 00:40:38,914 --> 00:40:41,094 And Keith David was his costar, 819 00:40:41,221 --> 00:40:44,091 and Keith was absolutely ready to go. 820 00:40:46,313 --> 00:40:51,103 So they rehearsed for a month and a half, 821 00:40:51,231 --> 00:40:53,841 and in the backyard of our office. 822 00:40:53,973 --> 00:40:56,113 Jeff Imada was the stunt coordinator, 823 00:40:56,236 --> 00:40:57,666 and he worked with them, and they came up 824 00:40:57,803 --> 00:40:59,153 with this big fight, 825 00:40:59,282 --> 00:40:59,982 and we shot it in an alley, downtown L.A. 826 00:41:08,770 --> 00:41:10,080 God, we had a good time. 827 00:41:10,206 --> 00:41:12,946 I loved working on that fight. It was great. 828 00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:16,909 The worst part was fighting in that stinky-ass alleyway. 829 00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:19,089 They had to put rubber on the floor 830 00:41:19,215 --> 00:41:20,955 and paint it like it was the ground 831 00:41:21,087 --> 00:41:23,867 so we wouldn't have to be on a nasty, you know-- 832 00:41:24,003 --> 00:41:26,483 'cause downtown L.A. is no fun. 833 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,530 Fuck! 834 00:41:30,662 --> 00:41:33,802 And it wasn't until years later that I looked at that 835 00:41:33,926 --> 00:41:35,706 and I realized that the reason that works 836 00:41:35,841 --> 00:41:37,711 is because it's not a pointless fight scene, 837 00:41:37,843 --> 00:41:40,763 is that that's a fight scene that represents 838 00:41:40,889 --> 00:41:42,889 sort of the reality we live in. 839 00:41:43,022 --> 00:41:45,852 It represents the differences in people's political beliefs 840 00:41:45,981 --> 00:41:49,901 and the fact that you can't change somebody's mind 841 00:41:50,029 --> 00:41:50,899 in a very simple way. 842 00:41:54,033 --> 00:41:55,953 That's the American way. 843 00:41:56,078 --> 00:41:58,908 They want us to fight with each other. 844 00:41:59,038 --> 00:42:01,558 But our cause is common. 845 00:42:01,693 --> 00:42:05,223 They pit the poor Black man against the poor white man 846 00:42:05,348 --> 00:42:08,128 and tell them that he's better than him, he deserves-- 847 00:42:08,264 --> 00:42:11,184 when, you know, together, you're far more powerful 848 00:42:11,311 --> 00:42:14,011 than you are apart. 849 00:42:21,103 --> 00:42:26,893 They Live is about what happens in our American society 850 00:42:27,022 --> 00:42:29,942 when greed is unchecked... 851 00:42:32,114 --> 00:42:38,954 and the society loses its core values. 852 00:42:39,078 --> 00:42:41,078 The underground terrorist network 853 00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:44,000 has been destroyed here on the west coast. 854 00:42:44,126 --> 00:42:48,086 Well, I've tried to avoid statements in my movies 855 00:42:48,217 --> 00:42:50,957 since I think they don't work. 856 00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:54,010 But in this case, in the case of "They Live," 857 00:42:54,136 --> 00:42:58,396 I was so fed up with Reaganomics. 858 00:42:58,532 --> 00:43:02,752 What I mean by that is unrestrained capitalism. 859 00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:06,022 It was a cry in the darkness 860 00:43:06,148 --> 00:43:09,198 because Reagan was enormously popular 861 00:43:09,325 --> 00:43:11,235 and no one else saw things the way I did. 862 00:43:11,371 --> 00:43:14,811 And I just had to. I had to do it. 863 00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:16,860 - ...like shit. - What happened? 864 00:43:16,985 --> 00:43:19,765 So that's what They Live is about. 865 00:43:19,901 --> 00:43:22,031 It's about [chuckles] the fact 866 00:43:22,164 --> 00:43:23,994 that Reaganism is controlled by aliens. 867 00:43:24,123 --> 00:43:26,133 - - You're moving on. 868 00:43:26,255 --> 00:43:28,775 Hey, what's wrong, baby? 869 00:43:34,133 --> 00:43:36,353 By the late '80s, after a decade of hits, 870 00:43:36,483 --> 00:43:38,223 the great slasher franchises 871 00:43:38,354 --> 00:43:40,974 seemed to have burned themselves out. 872 00:43:41,096 --> 00:43:43,966 The genre seemingly stalled. 873 00:43:44,099 --> 00:43:48,149 By the early 1990s, Gen-Xers turned disinterest 874 00:43:48,277 --> 00:43:50,277 into a cultural trend. 875 00:43:50,410 --> 00:43:52,890 Disaffected and cynical, 876 00:43:53,021 --> 00:43:54,941 the so-called "slacker generation" 877 00:43:55,067 --> 00:43:58,107 was bored of everything, including genre films. 878 00:43:58,244 --> 00:44:00,384 The horror movie tropes were played out. 879 00:44:00,507 --> 00:44:02,287 Audiences knew all the rules, 880 00:44:02,422 --> 00:44:05,292 or at least they thought they did. 881 00:44:05,425 --> 00:44:07,115 Well, I'm getting ready to watch a video. 882 00:44:07,253 --> 00:44:08,953 Really? What? 883 00:44:09,081 --> 00:44:11,001 Oh, just some scary movie. 884 00:44:11,126 --> 00:44:13,256 - You like scary movies? - Uh-huh. 885 00:44:13,389 --> 00:44:16,219 In 1996, I was working on my PhD 886 00:44:16,349 --> 00:44:17,919 at Florida State University. 887 00:44:22,529 --> 00:44:24,009 There was a knock on my door. 888 00:44:24,139 --> 00:44:25,309 A guy I know from class, he said, 889 00:44:25,445 --> 00:44:26,965 "Hey, man, I'm taking you to a movie." 890 00:44:27,099 --> 00:44:28,749 And I said, "No, I'm halfway through a story. 891 00:44:28,883 --> 00:44:30,493 I gotta do this," and he said, "No, I'm taking you to a movie." 892 00:44:30,624 --> 00:44:32,024 And it was Scream. 893 00:44:32,147 --> 00:44:33,977 Why do you want to know my name? 894 00:44:34,106 --> 00:44:36,716 'Cause I want to know who I'm looking at. 895 00:44:36,848 --> 00:44:39,328 And I was there myself alone for the next six nights. 896 00:44:39,459 --> 00:44:41,289 I saw Scream seven nights in the theater, 897 00:44:41,417 --> 00:44:43,417 in its first run, I guess. 898 00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:46,290 And ever since then, I watch it probably every four weeks, 899 00:44:46,422 --> 00:44:47,422 if not more. 900 00:44:47,554 --> 00:44:49,904 I think it is fairly genius. 901 00:44:50,035 --> 00:44:51,905 Is this some kind of joke? 902 00:44:52,037 --> 00:44:54,687 More of a game, really. 903 00:44:54,822 --> 00:44:56,392 The idea for Scream was a little twofold. 904 00:44:56,519 --> 00:45:00,259 I wrote a one-act play in college about a young girl 905 00:45:00,393 --> 00:45:02,183 on the phone with a serial killer, 906 00:45:02,308 --> 00:45:04,398 and it just sat in a box and nothing ever happened to it. 907 00:45:04,527 --> 00:45:07,307 And I forgot all about it, and then years later, 908 00:45:07,443 --> 00:45:10,273 I was housesitting for a friend, and I walked into the den 909 00:45:10,403 --> 00:45:12,453 and I saw that the window was open. 910 00:45:12,579 --> 00:45:15,319 And I went, "Has this window been open the whole time?" 911 00:45:15,451 --> 00:45:17,321 And I got so terrified and called a friend of mine up. 912 00:45:17,453 --> 00:45:19,283 And I said, "All right, I think someone's in the house." 913 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,889 So I got a knife and I walked through the house, 914 00:45:23,024 --> 00:45:24,424 just like a final girl, 915 00:45:24,547 --> 00:45:27,067 and I was looking through the-- in the shower. 916 00:45:27,202 --> 00:45:29,202 I was looking under the bed. I was looking in the closet. 917 00:45:29,335 --> 00:45:31,465 And I got so scared, and my friend was on the phone, 918 00:45:31,598 --> 00:45:33,378 going... 919 00:45:33,513 --> 00:45:35,433 Terrifying me, scared. 920 00:45:35,558 --> 00:45:37,208 And then we got into this big debate about horror films, 921 00:45:37,343 --> 00:45:38,743 and then I went, "Oh! 922 00:45:38,866 --> 00:45:41,256 I wrote a comedy about this in college." 923 00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:45,090 And so I dug it out and I brushed it off. 924 00:45:45,220 --> 00:45:46,050 That was the first scene. 925 00:45:49,268 --> 00:45:51,358 Scream was another one of those kind of like, you know, 926 00:45:51,487 --> 00:45:54,267 touchstone kind of horror movies for me growing up, 927 00:45:54,403 --> 00:45:57,023 one of the best theatrical experiences I ever had. 928 00:45:57,145 --> 00:46:00,495 And I was so blown away by especially the first 929 00:46:00,627 --> 00:46:02,977 like six or seven minutes or whatever it is 930 00:46:03,108 --> 00:46:04,328 with Drew Barrymore. 931 00:46:04,457 --> 00:46:06,017 Drew Barrymore opening up a horror film 932 00:46:06,154 --> 00:46:07,244 and then dying, you know, in 10 minutes-- 933 00:46:07,373 --> 00:46:09,773 that was unprecedented. 934 00:46:09,897 --> 00:46:13,027 That's the alternate ending to the movie. 935 00:46:13,161 --> 00:46:15,251 She lives. 936 00:46:15,381 --> 00:46:17,781 It was a calculated risk, and we didn't know whether 937 00:46:17,905 --> 00:46:21,035 the audience would even forgive us for that. 938 00:46:21,169 --> 00:46:22,479 They did, thankfully. But yeah. 939 00:46:22,605 --> 00:46:25,215 It was a very risky film in many, many ways. 940 00:46:25,347 --> 00:46:28,437 That first opening scene was like, I think-- 941 00:46:28,568 --> 00:46:30,398 I think still probably one of the best sequences 942 00:46:30,526 --> 00:46:32,266 in any movie, not just horror movies. 943 00:46:32,398 --> 00:46:34,398 It's one of my favorite of all time. 944 00:46:34,530 --> 00:46:38,840 I think that the film resonated with a large audience 945 00:46:38,970 --> 00:46:44,150 because it was this beautiful blend of camp and culture. 946 00:46:48,675 --> 00:46:50,285 It felt extremely relevant. 947 00:46:50,416 --> 00:46:52,366 Okay, bye now. 948 00:46:52,505 --> 00:46:55,635 If you hang up on me, you'll die just like your mother! 949 00:46:55,769 --> 00:46:57,419 I remember my parents-- 950 00:46:57,553 --> 00:46:59,253 like, when my dad got a cellphone in the car, 951 00:46:59,381 --> 00:47:00,821 like, that was, like, mind-blowing, you know? 952 00:47:00,948 --> 00:47:03,298 Like, the killer having a cellphone in your yard? 953 00:47:03,429 --> 00:47:06,299 It's like, what? 954 00:47:06,432 --> 00:47:08,482 Like, that is brand-new for the killer to be like 955 00:47:08,608 --> 00:47:11,128 also really, like, technologically savvy. 956 00:47:11,263 --> 00:47:13,003 Horrifying. 957 00:47:15,658 --> 00:47:19,658 Before Scream, slasher movies had kind of existed 958 00:47:19,793 --> 00:47:22,713 in a side world where there were no slasher movies. 959 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,230 What Scream did was it allowed 960 00:47:24,363 --> 00:47:27,153 that Halloween existed, that Jason Voorhees existed, 961 00:47:27,279 --> 00:47:30,109 that this whole history of slashers existed. 962 00:47:30,238 --> 00:47:32,678 And, to me, that was revolutionary. 963 00:47:32,806 --> 00:47:34,416 You know, Scream was sort of the first movie 964 00:47:34,547 --> 00:47:39,117 that I feel like actually talked about horror movies so openly 965 00:47:39,247 --> 00:47:42,157 and allowed them to be exposed. 966 00:47:42,294 --> 00:47:44,474 There are certain rules that one must abide by 967 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,560 in order to successfully survive a horror movie. 968 00:47:47,690 --> 00:47:49,560 The rules of horror-- I had the luxury of the '80s. 969 00:47:49,692 --> 00:47:51,302 I had the luxury of all the tropes. 970 00:47:51,433 --> 00:47:52,653 When I went into Scream, I was able to look 971 00:47:52,782 --> 00:47:55,262 at all the movies that had come before it 972 00:47:55,394 --> 00:47:57,054 and sort of acknowledge them. 973 00:47:57,178 --> 00:48:00,658 Scream revitalized the genre. 974 00:48:00,790 --> 00:48:05,140 The meta, self-referential winks and nods to the horror films 975 00:48:05,273 --> 00:48:06,543 the audience had grown up watching 976 00:48:06,666 --> 00:48:09,356 thrilled fans and sparked renewed interest 977 00:48:09,495 --> 00:48:11,275 in scary movies. 978 00:48:11,410 --> 00:48:13,890 Scream treated its audience with respect 979 00:48:14,021 --> 00:48:17,331 by acknowledging all the clichés of the genre 980 00:48:17,459 --> 00:48:21,199 and then using them anyway to scare the hell out of them. 981 00:48:21,333 --> 00:48:24,603 Once again, clever filmmakers were elevating 982 00:48:24,727 --> 00:48:26,507 and refreshing the form, 983 00:48:26,642 --> 00:48:30,172 and the audience was the true winner. 984 00:48:30,298 --> 00:48:31,558 You know, what I love about Scream 985 00:48:31,691 --> 00:48:33,611 is that it's a love letter to the genre, 986 00:48:33,736 --> 00:48:36,386 but it's a love letter that calls out the formula, 987 00:48:36,522 --> 00:48:39,312 the conventions, the excess of the genre. 988 00:48:39,438 --> 00:48:41,308 But it's not the kind of parody 989 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,400 that undercuts and seeks to destroy. 990 00:48:43,529 --> 00:48:45,569 It's a kind of parody that hopes to burn off the excess 991 00:48:45,705 --> 00:48:49,225 and let the genre move through better. 992 00:48:49,361 --> 00:48:51,361 This is the moment when the supposedly dead killer 993 00:48:51,493 --> 00:48:54,453 comes back to life for one last scare. 994 00:48:54,583 --> 00:48:56,413 Ah! 995 00:48:59,545 --> 00:49:01,415 Not in my movie. 996 00:49:01,547 --> 00:49:05,287 I think Scream, because it was able to summarize 997 00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:07,810 all the great things that we loved about these movies 998 00:49:07,945 --> 00:49:13,205 and kind of also do a really good version of that itself, 999 00:49:13,341 --> 00:49:15,211 it's almost like the genre really peaked there 1000 00:49:15,343 --> 00:49:17,653 because, you know, after Scream, 1001 00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:21,390 there wasn't a ton to say 'cause they kind of said it all. 1002 00:49:21,523 --> 00:49:23,443 They at least summarized it. 1003 00:49:23,569 --> 00:49:24,699 First test screening we had, 1004 00:49:24,831 --> 00:49:26,351 and the only test screening we had, 1005 00:49:26,485 --> 00:49:27,965 the test scores went through the roof. 1006 00:49:28,095 --> 00:49:30,525 I just had the feeling filming certain scenes 1007 00:49:30,663 --> 00:49:33,233 that this was extraordinary stuff, you know? 1008 00:49:33,361 --> 00:49:34,541 I had no idea how big it would be. 1009 00:49:34,667 --> 00:49:37,017 I had no idea its everlasting impression 1010 00:49:37,148 --> 00:49:39,758 or its everlasting effect that it would have on horror. 1011 00:49:39,889 --> 00:49:42,459 I just wrote a movie I wanted to see. 1012 00:49:42,588 --> 00:49:44,238 I was just trying to get noticed. 1013 00:49:44,372 --> 00:49:45,592 I was just trying to get a career. 1014 00:49:45,721 --> 00:49:47,551 I just wanted to tell a story. 1015 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,290 I wanted to tell a horror story. 1016 00:49:49,421 --> 00:49:51,681 It's been always my goal to do my Halloween. 1017 00:49:51,814 --> 00:49:54,304 I look back at it as just a bunch of memories, you know? 1018 00:49:54,426 --> 00:49:56,336 It was all my memories with Wes Craven. 1019 00:49:56,471 --> 00:49:57,781 He was always a mentor to me. 1020 00:49:57,907 --> 00:49:59,777 He was always selfless and giving of his time, 1021 00:49:59,909 --> 00:50:02,869 and he always had answers to my questions. 1022 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,700 I remember asking him, like, 1023 00:50:04,827 --> 00:50:05,997 "What does it feel like to be the master of horror?" 1024 00:50:06,133 --> 00:50:07,573 And he would look at me and go, "I don't know. 1025 00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:09,530 You should ask John Carpenter." 1026 00:50:09,658 --> 00:50:11,568 I think horror is a funhouse mirror 1027 00:50:11,704 --> 00:50:17,014 that reflects society's anxieties and dreads back at us. 1028 00:50:19,451 --> 00:50:21,841 Horror is most vital in times of stress, 1029 00:50:21,975 --> 00:50:26,455 be it political, economic, environmental, whatever it is. 1030 00:50:26,588 --> 00:50:28,458 I think horror is always a pulse on our society. 1031 00:50:28,590 --> 00:50:30,330 It never really goes away, you know? 1032 00:50:30,462 --> 00:50:31,682 So horror stories allow us to process through 1033 00:50:31,811 --> 00:50:33,511 from beginning to end 1034 00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:35,379 of whatever the bad experiences in our life. 1035 00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:37,560 Horror lets us imagine 1036 00:50:37,686 --> 00:50:39,036 a light at the end of the tunnel. 79317

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