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She said, "Who are you?" 8 00:01:35,023 --> 00:01:37,733 "I'm Frank Dileo, I manage Michael. 9 00:01:37,817 --> 00:01:39,193 "Is he okay?" 10 00:01:39,277 --> 00:01:42,029 She hesitated, and I knew. 11 00:01:42,947 --> 00:01:45,491 She looked me in the eye and said, 12 00:01:46,034 --> 00:01:47,493 "No, he didn't make it." 13 00:01:50,038 --> 00:01:52,915 I had them put him in a Special room and clean him up. 14 00:01:53,458 --> 00:01:59,421 And that was the one nice thing, is I got to be alone with him. 15 00:02:00,757 --> 00:02:07,471 And I got to kiss him on the forehead and, you know, tell him what I felt. 16 00:02:45,426 --> 00:02:46,677 When I started seeing the news clips 17 00:02:46,761 --> 00:02:49,138 David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND 18 00:02:49,222 --> 00:02:51,223 the day he died, 19 00:02:51,307 --> 00:02:52,474 my heart sank. 20 00:02:54,644 --> 00:03:00,065 Michael was the most exciting performer 21 00:03:00,150 --> 00:03:02,609 I had ever seen in my life. 22 00:03:04,779 --> 00:03:08,323 He was the ultimate pop Superstar. 23 00:03:09,826 --> 00:03:12,953 He wanted, more than anything, for his legacy to be 24 00:03:13,079 --> 00:03:16,331 he is the greatest performer of all time. 25 00:03:16,416 --> 00:03:18,000 And that's what he became. 26 00:04:33,451 --> 00:04:35,827 I grew up in East Chicago, Indiana. 27 00:04:38,289 --> 00:04:39,289 Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER 28 00:04:39,374 --> 00:04:42,209 My mother and father divorced when I was at a young age, about six years old. 29 00:04:43,878 --> 00:04:45,170 My mother was Baptist. 30 00:04:45,296 --> 00:04:48,173 And my sister and I sang in the Baptist choir. 31 00:04:49,008 --> 00:04:51,510 It made us have a love for music. 32 00:04:54,013 --> 00:04:57,599 My father used to listen to the country music all the time, 33 00:04:57,684 --> 00:05:03,480 and out of Chicago came a show, on the radio, called Suppertime Frolic. 34 00:05:06,192 --> 00:05:09,152 And then on Saturdays, he would listen to the Grand Ole Opty 35 00:05:09,529 --> 00:05:11,029 that came out of NashviIIe. 36 00:05:12,365 --> 00:05:16,368 Some of the people were Ernest Tubb, that's ancient. 37 00:05:16,494 --> 00:05:19,288 Let me... Let the people know how old I am. 38 00:05:23,543 --> 00:05:26,336 We had a club called the Sub-Debs. 39 00:05:32,176 --> 00:05:36,054 We used to give teenage parties for all the kids around there, 40 00:05:36,389 --> 00:05:37,556 and that's where I met Joe. 41 00:05:40,018 --> 00:05:42,728 I think I was around 17 years old. 42 00:05:43,146 --> 00:05:48,400 He would always ask me for a dance when the music was slow. 43 00:05:51,571 --> 00:05:54,156 He seemed very kind, very sweet. 44 00:05:57,410 --> 00:05:58,827 Joseph was in a group. 45 00:05:59,203 --> 00:06:03,707 Besides me leaving singing with my sister, I started singing with him. 46 00:06:04,334 --> 00:06:07,878 And we would sing and harmonise together a lot. 47 00:06:10,923 --> 00:06:14,092 Then the children came along, and I kept singing. 48 00:06:17,555 --> 00:06:18,597 Rebbie Jackson MICHAEL'S SISTER 49 00:06:18,723 --> 00:06:20,640 2300 Jackson St, in that little house. 50 00:06:20,725 --> 00:06:23,435 I was the only one born in that house. 51 00:06:23,686 --> 00:06:25,896 We had two bedrooms in our home. 52 00:06:26,689 --> 00:06:30,108 And I and my Sisters, Janet and La Toya, Slept in the living room. 53 00:06:30,193 --> 00:06:32,444 Living Room Gary, Indiana 2010 54 00:06:32,528 --> 00:06:34,571 We had a couch that let out into a bed. 55 00:06:34,655 --> 00:06:36,490 My brothers Slept in one room. 56 00:06:36,574 --> 00:06:38,158 Boy's Bedroom Gary, Indiana 2010 57 00:06:38,242 --> 00:06:40,118 And that room had triple bunk beds. 58 00:06:40,203 --> 00:06:42,204 And they Slept on the bunk beds. 59 00:06:42,288 --> 00:06:44,539 And then my parents slept in the other room. 60 00:06:44,624 --> 00:06:46,541 Parents' Bedroom GARY, INDIANA 2010 61 00:06:46,626 --> 00:06:49,419 I don't know how I squeezed all of us in that little house. 62 00:06:49,504 --> 00:06:50,545 Jackson Family Kitchen Gary, Indiana 1960's 63 00:06:50,671 --> 00:06:54,508 Having all my children when I was young and having them So close together, 64 00:06:55,802 --> 00:07:02,140 every time I would get pregnant, I was afraid to tell Joe. 65 00:07:04,018 --> 00:07:09,064 We didn't believe in abortion, so that's why we got so many children. 66 00:07:11,526 --> 00:07:14,319 The children around our neighbourhood, especially the boys, 67 00:07:14,695 --> 00:07:16,029 they were kind of bad, some of them. 68 00:07:16,114 --> 00:07:19,116 They would break in people's cars and do things. 69 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,662 And our children were never allowed to go out at night or play with those kids. 70 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,539 J. Randy Taraborrelli JACKSON'S FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER 71 00:07:25,623 --> 00:07:28,667 They weren't really social with the rest of the neighbourhood. 72 00:07:28,793 --> 00:07:33,171 They clung to each other, and that's how the Jacksons were raised. 73 00:07:33,339 --> 00:07:36,007 Poor? I mean, that was a way of life. 74 00:07:36,092 --> 00:07:37,551 We had plenty of food to eat. 75 00:07:37,635 --> 00:07:39,845 We were like all the other kids in the area. 76 00:07:39,929 --> 00:07:42,347 Michael never thought he was poor when he was young, 77 00:07:42,432 --> 00:07:44,599 because he did not know what poor was. 78 00:07:44,684 --> 00:07:45,809 David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND 79 00:07:45,893 --> 00:07:49,271 He thought everyone lived the way his family did. 80 00:07:49,730 --> 00:07:52,232 We had a rickety washing machine. 81 00:07:52,316 --> 00:07:53,692 We weren't able to buy a new one. 82 00:07:53,943 --> 00:07:56,236 Whenever it washed, it would creak. You know, make noises... 83 00:07:57,989 --> 00:07:59,406 Something like that. 84 00:07:59,490 --> 00:08:02,909 And Michael, I guess, was about 11 or 12 months old. 85 00:08:02,994 --> 00:08:05,662 He was just dancing to the rhythm of the washing machine. 86 00:08:05,955 --> 00:08:08,457 And I knew then that he had a lot of rhythm. 87 00:08:13,087 --> 00:08:16,214 Michael would always do funny things, anything for a laugh. 88 00:08:16,299 --> 00:08:17,716 Anything for a laugh. 89 00:08:19,051 --> 00:08:23,305 La Toya was always very persnickety about the way she kept her room. 90 00:08:23,389 --> 00:08:24,556 And she had this beautiful... 91 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,809 I think it was a white satin bedspread that she had just gotten. 92 00:08:28,811 --> 00:08:31,104 Michael took some invisible ink 93 00:08:31,230 --> 00:08:34,191 and he spread it all over the bedspread, squirted it all over. 94 00:08:34,275 --> 00:08:36,902 And then he had her come in and look at it. She was livid. 95 00:08:39,572 --> 00:08:43,325 Michael used to love telling me stories about Gary, Indiana, 96 00:08:43,409 --> 00:08:45,911 especially how he would have a candy store, 97 00:08:45,995 --> 00:08:48,747 and he would sell candy to all the neighbours, 98 00:08:49,248 --> 00:08:50,999 and to his brothers. 99 00:08:51,083 --> 00:08:54,169 And he never made any money doing it, 100 00:08:54,253 --> 00:09:00,509 but he showed signs of being an entrepreneur at a very young age. 101 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,219 As kids, we had a lot of fun. 102 00:09:02,303 --> 00:09:03,428 Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER 103 00:09:03,596 --> 00:09:05,764 You know, just playing around in the neighbourhood. 104 00:09:05,848 --> 00:09:10,519 Playing practical jokes, throwing balloons out the car windows at bus stops, 105 00:09:10,770 --> 00:09:14,523 singing and dancing to every song that came on the radio. 106 00:09:17,443 --> 00:09:20,445 Michael would use some of the money from his candy store 107 00:09:20,530 --> 00:09:22,447 to go and buy 45s, 108 00:09:22,532 --> 00:09:26,243 because in those days, that's what kids bought, 45s. 109 00:09:26,327 --> 00:09:29,162 And if you were lucky, you'd buy an LP. 110 00:09:29,330 --> 00:09:33,208 But he started listening strongly to James Brown 111 00:09:33,793 --> 00:09:36,670 from the time he was about five years old. 112 00:09:36,796 --> 00:09:41,716 He had a great taste for real R&B, 113 00:09:41,801 --> 00:09:44,219 gritty R&B, like Wilson Pickett, 114 00:09:45,805 --> 00:09:47,597 the Dells, 115 00:09:47,682 --> 00:09:50,725 great singers like Levi Stubbs. 116 00:09:52,562 --> 00:09:56,022 We sang country songs and we sang folk songs. 117 00:09:56,399 --> 00:09:59,317 And then they started singing the Temptations 118 00:09:59,402 --> 00:10:01,653 when we got a television. 119 00:10:02,154 --> 00:10:05,782 My father had a guitar that he kept locked in the closet. 120 00:10:05,866 --> 00:10:09,119 One day, he didn't lock the closet and I started playing that thing. 121 00:10:09,203 --> 00:10:13,456 I learn't every song on the radio and made my brothers sing with me. 122 00:10:13,541 --> 00:10:16,126 Joseph had warned them, "Don't play my guitar, now." 123 00:10:16,377 --> 00:10:21,214 And so, Tito took it out and played it, and a string broke. 124 00:10:21,841 --> 00:10:25,176 There was no way of hiding that he hadn't had his guitar. 125 00:10:25,303 --> 00:10:26,720 He punished him for it. 126 00:10:26,846 --> 00:10:28,722 Then he said, "Let me hear you play." 127 00:10:28,848 --> 00:10:31,141 And Tito played for him. 128 00:10:31,225 --> 00:10:34,477 Joe just said nothing else to him, "You can play it if you want to." 129 00:10:35,187 --> 00:10:38,481 Tito had been watching his father play guitar, 130 00:10:38,566 --> 00:10:41,192 but he would come to my house and he and I would play. 131 00:10:41,319 --> 00:10:42,485 Reynaud Jones NEIGHBOUR - GARY, INDIANA 132 00:10:42,695 --> 00:10:45,905 And I would play a little something on my guitar, and then show him, 133 00:10:46,032 --> 00:10:47,907 and then give my guitar to him. 134 00:10:48,159 --> 00:10:49,576 And then he'd tty to play it. 135 00:10:49,702 --> 00:10:52,245 And so we went back and forth like that. 136 00:10:52,371 --> 00:10:56,207 There was a guy across the street who had one snare drum, 137 00:10:56,709 --> 00:10:58,335 and his name was Milford Hite. 138 00:10:59,170 --> 00:11:00,253 Milford Hite NEIGHBOUR - GARY, INDIANA 139 00:11:00,379 --> 00:11:01,755 Reynaud said, "Milford, come over with your drum 140 00:11:01,881 --> 00:11:04,674 "and let's see if we can, you know, start a little group together." 141 00:11:04,884 --> 00:11:07,385 We played for a while and then Jackie Jackson came over. 142 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:08,720 Okay. 143 00:11:08,888 --> 00:11:12,349 Then after Jackie came in, Jermaine came. 144 00:11:12,725 --> 00:11:14,726 Michael and Marlon were just little kids. 145 00:11:15,061 --> 00:11:17,729 And we used to tell them to be quiet, "Get out of here." 146 00:11:17,855 --> 00:11:19,022 We used to kick them out the room. 147 00:11:19,106 --> 00:11:21,775 And they used to beg to be in the group. 148 00:11:21,901 --> 00:11:24,319 And we just said, "Your little brother wants to be in the..." 149 00:11:24,403 --> 00:11:27,906 You know, you just said, "No, get out of here. This is big boy stuff." 150 00:11:28,741 --> 00:11:33,453 The school was giving a programme and all the parents were invited. 151 00:11:33,954 --> 00:11:37,415 And Michael was singing solo, CIimb Every Mountain. 152 00:11:37,541 --> 00:11:41,378 And so Joe's father wanted to go also, so he could hear him. 153 00:11:42,254 --> 00:11:44,422 And Michael starts singing. 154 00:11:44,799 --> 00:11:47,759 I looked around, Joe's father was crying. 155 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,221 I guess he couldn't imagine 156 00:11:51,305 --> 00:11:54,891 that a 5-year-old kid can keep harmony and sing that well. 157 00:11:54,975 --> 00:11:56,142 But that's what happened. 158 00:11:56,727 --> 00:12:01,272 We heard him sing and we were so taken by that. 159 00:12:02,066 --> 00:12:04,192 We couldn't believe it so we rushed him home, 160 00:12:04,276 --> 00:12:06,111 immediately took him to the room. 161 00:12:06,237 --> 00:12:08,571 And he was in the group, that fast. 162 00:12:11,701 --> 00:12:16,621 The big thing back then was winning the Roosevelt High School talent show. 163 00:12:16,956 --> 00:12:18,456 In the '50s and the '60s, 164 00:12:18,541 --> 00:12:24,212 talent shows were the key to getting a career and a record deal. 165 00:12:24,463 --> 00:12:26,923 And that's what they dreamed of. 166 00:12:28,092 --> 00:12:31,219 Initially, Michael was not our lead singer. 167 00:12:31,303 --> 00:12:36,141 It was Jermaine was our lead singer when we made it to the talent show. 168 00:12:36,726 --> 00:12:40,228 They came to me and asked me if I would come over 169 00:12:40,312 --> 00:12:41,396 Robert Hite NEIGHBOUR - GARY, INDIANA 170 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,315 and give them some pointers on tightening up the group. 171 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:49,821 I actually decided that we were going to present the song My Girl, 172 00:12:49,947 --> 00:12:54,492 because it was a song that I had become very fond of. 173 00:12:54,994 --> 00:12:58,830 Each person would get a chance to step forward in the song, 174 00:12:58,956 --> 00:13:00,749 and showcase what they could do. 175 00:13:00,958 --> 00:13:04,669 Milford actually sang My Girl along with them. 176 00:13:04,754 --> 00:13:06,755 Reynaud was singing My Girl. 177 00:13:06,839 --> 00:13:11,342 And all of a sudden We said, "Michael, sing My Girl." 178 00:13:11,427 --> 00:13:14,846 And he hit it, perfect pitch. 179 00:13:16,348 --> 00:13:17,599 And that was it. 180 00:13:17,683 --> 00:13:19,851 That was our secret weapon, quite honestly. 181 00:13:30,654 --> 00:13:33,031 When Michael came in, the crowd just stood up. 182 00:13:34,867 --> 00:13:38,369 They actually broke a couple of chairs and seats in the auditorium. 183 00:13:44,877 --> 00:13:47,295 It was such a surprise. 184 00:13:47,379 --> 00:13:50,715 And that's when everybody recognised the kind of talent that was there. 185 00:13:53,969 --> 00:13:56,513 We wanted to win and we won. 186 00:13:57,056 --> 00:13:58,306 It was a really happy moment. 187 00:13:58,390 --> 00:14:01,810 It was just..."Cause that was the thing to win, Roosevelt's talent show. 188 00:14:01,894 --> 00:14:04,604 We win a Roosevelt's talent show, it's like signing a contract with Motown. 189 00:14:10,444 --> 00:14:12,654 After the talent show ended, 190 00:14:12,738 --> 00:14:18,785 Joe decided that Reynaud and Milford weren't going to be rehearsing with them. 191 00:14:19,745 --> 00:14:21,913 And that's what kind of split everything off. 192 00:14:25,793 --> 00:14:29,003 Joseph was, in many ways, a frustrated musician. 193 00:14:29,088 --> 00:14:31,381 He had a band called the Falcons. 194 00:14:31,465 --> 00:14:37,428 And I think to some extent he wanted to live vicariously 195 00:14:37,513 --> 00:14:41,349 through the success, the possible success, of his children as musicians. 196 00:14:42,142 --> 00:14:44,018 But Joseph is a very complicated person, 197 00:14:44,103 --> 00:14:47,272 and it's not easy to paint Joseph with a wide brushstroke. 198 00:14:47,940 --> 00:14:48,982 Bobby Taylor ARTIST, GORDY & MOTOWN RECORDS 199 00:14:49,066 --> 00:14:50,733 Joe was a tyrant to them. 200 00:14:50,818 --> 00:14:53,444 He was mean to them. He was evil to them. 201 00:14:54,154 --> 00:14:56,906 Michael was very afraid of Joe, 202 00:14:56,991 --> 00:14:59,367 and a lot of times, he would stay over at my house, 203 00:14:59,451 --> 00:15:01,619 just to get away from Joe, 204 00:15:01,704 --> 00:15:07,959 because he felt Joe had punished him too much when he was younger. 205 00:15:09,086 --> 00:15:12,255 He had taken a strap and spanked him a lot of times. 206 00:15:12,339 --> 00:15:14,841 And he felt it was too harsh. 207 00:15:15,009 --> 00:15:20,972 He was a very strong, and often, as they would tell it, violent disciplinarian. 208 00:15:25,144 --> 00:15:30,732 Michael, Janet and Randy, and a little bit of Marlon, 209 00:15:31,859 --> 00:15:36,529 I think they got easy street, "cause they were the babies. 210 00:15:37,323 --> 00:15:41,534 The ones who really got the spankings in my family, if I remember correctly, 211 00:15:41,619 --> 00:15:42,994 and I'm pretty sure I do, 212 00:15:43,078 --> 00:15:48,625 was myself, Jermaine and Jackie, the older guys. 213 00:15:49,043 --> 00:15:52,253 I'm sort of like five years older than Michael. 214 00:15:52,338 --> 00:15:57,091 So he was more of one of the little guys that didn't get it the way the big guys did. 215 00:15:57,509 --> 00:15:58,885 I think in later life, 216 00:16:00,512 --> 00:16:03,264 he began to respect Joe more, 217 00:16:03,349 --> 00:16:08,227 because he saw that he wanted his kids to be somebody. 218 00:16:09,396 --> 00:16:11,564 My uncle worked in the steel mill. 219 00:16:11,690 --> 00:16:15,360 He never wanted his kids to do what he did. He wanted them to be better. 220 00:16:16,028 --> 00:16:17,111 Ronald & Keith Jackson JACKSON'S FIRST COUSINS 221 00:16:17,237 --> 00:16:18,488 I seen the steel mill, and I'm gonna tell you... 222 00:16:18,572 --> 00:16:20,490 - It's like working for Satan... - Do not work there... 223 00:16:20,574 --> 00:16:23,534 ...because it's 2,000 degrees out there, and it's very dangerous. 224 00:16:24,244 --> 00:16:26,371 So, his vision, I respect. 225 00:16:27,039 --> 00:16:31,876 He wanted them to have a better opportunity, and to do something they love doing. 226 00:16:35,297 --> 00:16:39,634 I think Joe did the right thing because none of his kids went to prison. 227 00:16:39,718 --> 00:16:42,929 None of his kids were out on the street using dope. 228 00:16:44,390 --> 00:16:46,349 I think I was raised right. 229 00:16:46,433 --> 00:16:51,229 I think my father did a brilliant job to take us from Gary, Indiana, 230 00:16:51,313 --> 00:16:56,234 which is a very poverty-stricken town, 231 00:16:56,318 --> 00:17:00,655 and not too many people get out of there and make something of themselves, 232 00:17:00,948 --> 00:17:03,449 and he had a dream, and he stuck with it. 233 00:17:03,575 --> 00:17:06,828 And he knew how to get there and he got us there. 234 00:17:07,454 --> 00:17:11,040 It's okay to have fun sometimes but you have to prepare yourself, 235 00:17:11,125 --> 00:17:15,420 because your adulthood is gonna be a lot longer than your childhood. 236 00:17:15,629 --> 00:17:19,090 And if you didn't prepare for it, you're gonna be on The Late Show. 237 00:17:19,758 --> 00:17:24,679 So I think my father prepared his sons for the future, to be men. 238 00:17:24,763 --> 00:17:27,765 We were men at a very young age. 239 00:17:27,850 --> 00:17:31,436 I remember asking Michael, "Why do you call him Joseph?" 240 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,148 And it was really clear, the way Michael explained it, 241 00:17:35,274 --> 00:17:36,816 that they thought of him as Joseph. 242 00:17:37,276 --> 00:17:40,194 They didn't really think of him as their father, they thought of him as Joseph. 243 00:17:40,279 --> 00:17:42,864 And I thought that was very sad. 244 00:17:43,157 --> 00:17:44,907 That had to hurt even Joseph, 245 00:17:44,992 --> 00:17:47,243 to know that his children felt that way about him, 246 00:17:47,327 --> 00:17:50,955 but that was the way he designed it. 247 00:17:51,957 --> 00:17:52,999 Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER 248 00:17:53,125 --> 00:17:54,709 The world now talks about how mean and evil he is. 249 00:17:54,793 --> 00:17:55,918 He's not that way. 250 00:17:57,129 --> 00:17:59,589 He's just a firm person. 251 00:18:02,801 --> 00:18:08,347 Michael's very close to my mother, and she was like a comfort to him, I think. 252 00:18:09,475 --> 00:18:12,143 Michael and I had a very special bond. 253 00:18:12,269 --> 00:18:16,606 Michael used to always tell me that he was so much like me. 254 00:18:16,940 --> 00:18:19,609 And then I used to tell him, I said, 255 00:18:19,693 --> 00:18:24,572 "I can see myself in you, but I don't want you to be like me," 256 00:18:24,656 --> 00:18:28,034 because I thought I was too easy-going, 257 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,744 trust people too much, 258 00:18:29,828 --> 00:18:32,121 and that's exactly how Michael is. 259 00:18:33,665 --> 00:18:39,003 There was a mystical connection that made them almost, at times, one. 260 00:18:39,546 --> 00:18:42,882 Michael and Katherine, two peas in a pod. 261 00:18:46,053 --> 00:18:49,305 He was closer to no one else except for her. 262 00:18:51,141 --> 00:18:54,685 Katherine Jackson was golden where Michael was concerned, 263 00:18:54,895 --> 00:18:56,687 throughout his entire lifetime. 264 00:18:56,814 --> 00:18:57,814 She always cared. 265 00:18:57,898 --> 00:19:03,069 When he went through stages of acne, she knew how to handle him. 266 00:19:04,196 --> 00:19:07,448 It was almost as if they were 267 00:19:07,533 --> 00:19:10,201 aligned with each other against the world. 268 00:19:10,536 --> 00:19:13,412 And he could always go to Katherine for anything. 269 00:19:13,539 --> 00:19:16,082 And she would be there for him, 100%. 270 00:19:28,178 --> 00:19:32,056 They had been working on the music for a long time, 271 00:19:32,432 --> 00:19:34,934 and they wanted to be signed to a label. 272 00:19:35,936 --> 00:19:38,229 We would go to school in the morning. 273 00:19:38,897 --> 00:19:41,607 Then after school, we'd get home about 3:0000, 3:300. 274 00:19:42,401 --> 00:19:46,779 And my father'd have all the mics set up and amps on standby. 275 00:19:47,739 --> 00:19:50,241 And we had enough time to just drop our books, 276 00:19:50,367 --> 00:19:56,289 and we would practise, like, four hours, 277 00:19:56,415 --> 00:19:58,124 until about 7:0000 or 8:0000. 278 00:19:58,250 --> 00:20:00,042 And after that, 279 00:20:00,127 --> 00:20:02,503 we would get ready to go to Chicago or somewhere, 280 00:20:02,588 --> 00:20:04,755 and go do an engagement. 281 00:20:04,965 --> 00:20:06,674 We would play for 45 minutes, 282 00:20:06,758 --> 00:20:10,469 and take 15 minutes off and do our homework. 283 00:20:11,805 --> 00:20:16,309 By the time we was through with our day, it was about 2:30 in the morning. 284 00:20:16,894 --> 00:20:21,898 And we'd drive back from Chicago to Gary, get home about 3:00, 4:00 in the morning, 285 00:20:21,982 --> 00:20:23,858 then go to school the next day. 286 00:20:23,942 --> 00:20:27,153 And that's what life was for us for many years, a lot of work. 287 00:20:28,614 --> 00:20:30,698 We would perform all night, tell you the truth, every day. 288 00:20:30,782 --> 00:20:33,201 Voice of Michael Jackson Interview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli 289 00:20:33,285 --> 00:20:35,494 We would be dancing, doing James Brown, 290 00:20:35,621 --> 00:20:39,290 and a lot of people throwing money on stage, and standing ovations. 291 00:20:39,791 --> 00:20:43,461 And then, soon as we drove home, we'd get up and go to school. 292 00:20:43,587 --> 00:20:47,757 And we couldn't keep our pants up "cause we had so much money in them. 293 00:20:47,841 --> 00:20:50,009 I mean, change just broke them. 294 00:20:50,177 --> 00:20:52,511 And there was this man's house, who used to sell candy, 295 00:20:52,638 --> 00:20:56,974 we used to stop there and just load up, eat candy for days. 296 00:20:58,143 --> 00:21:01,020 They had a studio at home and they had these big mirrors and stuff. 297 00:21:01,146 --> 00:21:04,982 And they would say, "Do it again, do it again, do it again, do it again." 298 00:21:05,108 --> 00:21:08,736 And next thing you know, seven, eight, nine hours go by, 299 00:21:08,820 --> 00:21:11,614 but they were looking for perfection. 300 00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:13,199 Ronnie Rancifer KEYBOARDIST,"JACKSON 5" 1967-77 301 00:21:13,325 --> 00:21:15,326 They were focused, that's what I liked about them. 302 00:21:15,452 --> 00:21:18,996 They were serious about doing it, and it was about perfection. 303 00:21:19,206 --> 00:21:24,543 Johnny Jackson and Ronnie Rancifer were part of the early Jackson 5. 304 00:21:25,295 --> 00:21:29,215 They were not named members 305 00:21:29,341 --> 00:21:33,010 but they were a part of the group, and an integral part of the group. 306 00:21:33,136 --> 00:21:36,681 Back then, we didn't have the greatest instruments in the world. 307 00:21:37,182 --> 00:21:41,727 Other big name groups, they would have big PAs and all that. 308 00:21:42,145 --> 00:21:44,855 Jacksons didn't have that, but what they had was soul. 309 00:21:45,691 --> 00:21:47,608 See... And soul goes a long way. 310 00:21:47,693 --> 00:21:50,528 You can have $10 jillion worth of equipment, baby, 311 00:21:50,654 --> 00:21:54,824 but if you ain't got no soul, you might as well stay home. 312 00:21:55,701 --> 00:22:00,413 In 1967 the Jackson 5 signed for local record label, Steeltown Records. 313 00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:02,748 They released two songs on the label; "Big Boy" 314 00:22:02,874 --> 00:22:04,709 and "We Don't Have To Be Over 21 (To Fall In Love). 315 00:22:04,835 --> 00:22:07,753 Neither appeared on any Billboard Chart. 316 00:22:11,717 --> 00:22:16,554 One day, I was setting up a VIP section for Bobby Taylor, 317 00:22:17,014 --> 00:22:19,890 all of a sudden, I hear the people clapping and hollering... 318 00:22:20,058 --> 00:22:22,351 Weldon Arthur McDougal III - A & R EXECUTIVE, MOTOWN RECORDS 1969-80 319 00:22:22,436 --> 00:22:25,688 And so I come out of the office and I look and there was the Jackson 5. 320 00:22:25,772 --> 00:22:27,773 Well, they are pretty good. 321 00:22:30,402 --> 00:22:33,696 Joe Jackson said, "Listen, man, we wanna be on Motown." 322 00:22:33,780 --> 00:22:36,574 And I said, "Man, I can't get nobody on the label." 323 00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:41,620 And he said, "Well, do you know anybody you could introduce me to at Motown?" 324 00:22:42,748 --> 00:22:45,708 I was so excited about them, 325 00:22:45,792 --> 00:22:48,377 I told Bobby Taylor that Thursday about them. 326 00:22:48,462 --> 00:22:49,920 He said, "Okay, I'll look at them." 327 00:22:50,088 --> 00:22:53,299 I met them in 1968, at the Regal Theater. 328 00:22:53,717 --> 00:22:55,634 I was headlining the show. 329 00:22:55,761 --> 00:22:56,761 They were the opening act, 330 00:22:56,887 --> 00:23:00,389 and I was introduced to them by the promoter. 331 00:23:00,474 --> 00:23:04,352 Berry Gordy, President of Motown, gave him permission 332 00:23:04,436 --> 00:23:09,940 to produce any act that he wanted and they would listen to it. 333 00:23:10,609 --> 00:23:14,362 He, at that time, had a group called Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers. 334 00:23:14,446 --> 00:23:17,656 They had records on the radio that were going really well and stuff. 335 00:23:25,082 --> 00:23:30,127 I liked the way he sang,"cause he was a star vocalist in his own right. 336 00:23:36,676 --> 00:23:40,805 He knew how to do it, when to do it, why to do it, and why not to do it. 337 00:23:41,264 --> 00:23:43,849 I saw this little kid spinning and stuff, I said, "Dang. 338 00:23:44,184 --> 00:23:48,354 "Send him upstairs when they finish, I want to talk to this kid." 339 00:23:49,314 --> 00:23:52,149 Never thought about recording him at that time. 340 00:23:52,317 --> 00:23:55,152 I said, "This little guy, I wanna see what's happening." 341 00:23:55,987 --> 00:24:02,660 He was a kid that would worry you, bug you, until you had to do something with him. 342 00:24:03,662 --> 00:24:07,206 Instead of him going back to Gary, Indiana, from Chicago 343 00:24:07,332 --> 00:24:12,336 every night, he'd go and ask Joseph if he could stay with me, 344 00:24:12,838 --> 00:24:15,464 and spend a night at the hotel with me. 345 00:24:15,549 --> 00:24:18,801 So he stayed in my face for 100 straight days, 346 00:24:19,136 --> 00:24:21,512 from the time that we woke up in the morning, 347 00:24:21,638 --> 00:24:24,014 and I'd take and feed this kid. 348 00:24:24,141 --> 00:24:29,061 It was pure. This kid wanted what he got. 349 00:24:29,855 --> 00:24:32,356 He was a workaholic. 350 00:24:32,566 --> 00:24:34,567 Bobby Taylor worked hard. 351 00:24:34,693 --> 00:24:37,528 I mean, I can't say it enough. I want people to know. 352 00:24:37,904 --> 00:24:41,782 He worked harder on them than he did with the Vancouvers. 353 00:24:41,867 --> 00:24:44,243 My motivation was Michael. 354 00:24:45,245 --> 00:24:51,208 I just figured this kid here, he's an adult in kid's clothing. 355 00:24:52,335 --> 00:24:53,711 That was my only motivation. 356 00:24:53,879 --> 00:24:57,882 Everybody around here knew that Michael Jackson was "it." 357 00:24:59,092 --> 00:25:01,719 The world just didn't know it. 358 00:25:01,887 --> 00:25:03,137 Bobby was pushing. 359 00:25:03,221 --> 00:25:04,722 When I say he was pushing, 360 00:25:04,848 --> 00:25:09,435 the next time I seen Bobby or I seen the group, 361 00:25:09,561 --> 00:25:12,897 he had called me and said he's working at the Apollo. 362 00:25:13,398 --> 00:25:17,610 And come over to the Apollo, he got a surprise for me. 363 00:25:17,944 --> 00:25:21,739 And when I went to the Apollo, the Jackson 5 was on the bill. 364 00:25:21,907 --> 00:25:24,033 Apollo Theater Harlem, New York City 365 00:25:24,117 --> 00:25:27,661 The Apollo was known as the greatest R&B showroom in the world, 366 00:25:27,746 --> 00:25:29,955 because many albums had been made from there, 367 00:25:30,081 --> 00:25:32,708 James Brown, Live at the Apollo. 368 00:25:32,792 --> 00:25:35,169 Jackie Wilson played the Apollo. 369 00:25:35,253 --> 00:25:37,713 GIadys Knight and the Pips played the Apollo. 370 00:25:37,797 --> 00:25:39,924 Smokey Robinson and the Miracles. 371 00:25:40,258 --> 00:25:43,511 Everybody who played the Apollo was a star. 372 00:25:43,595 --> 00:25:47,515 And everybody who was underneath them on a bill 373 00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:50,434 was trying to gain that national fame. 374 00:25:50,602 --> 00:25:55,356 And if you make it there, you're assured of stardom 375 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,818 because people knew that you've got something very special. 376 00:25:59,945 --> 00:26:01,153 It was a very tough audience. 377 00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:04,907 And if they did not like you, and you were not a good live act, 378 00:26:05,116 --> 00:26:09,245 even though you may have a hit record, they'd boo you off the stage. 379 00:26:10,121 --> 00:26:12,706 The Jackson 5 tore that place up. 380 00:26:12,791 --> 00:26:17,294 I mean, I've never seen an act that nobody never heard of, 381 00:26:17,420 --> 00:26:18,921 didn't have a record, 382 00:26:19,005 --> 00:26:22,258 and, I mean, the people kept hollering, "Jackson 5!" 383 00:26:22,342 --> 00:26:27,805 On the same show was the 5 Stairsteps, and they were young kids, too, 384 00:26:27,973 --> 00:26:31,809 or they were about the same age as the Jackson 5. 385 00:26:32,185 --> 00:26:34,603 And they were complaining, 386 00:26:34,813 --> 00:26:38,023 they wanted to get the Jackson 5 off of the show 387 00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:41,902 because every time they went on, people just hollered, 388 00:26:41,987 --> 00:26:44,863 "Jackson 5! Jackson 5! Jackson 5!" 389 00:26:45,824 --> 00:26:48,659 And I said, "Wow! I ain't never seen nothing like this." 390 00:26:52,831 --> 00:26:53,831 Martha Reeves ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 391 00:26:53,957 --> 00:26:57,668 My very first time that I saw Michael Jackson was at the Apollo Theater in New York. 392 00:27:05,010 --> 00:27:09,221 He and his family were a self-contained act, which was very unusual. 393 00:27:09,639 --> 00:27:12,975 And yet there was a guitarist in the group and a bassist in the group, 394 00:27:13,059 --> 00:27:15,144 and keyboard and drums. 395 00:27:22,402 --> 00:27:23,902 They'd won a contest. 396 00:27:24,029 --> 00:27:27,406 They'd won at the Apollo Theater Amateur Night, 397 00:27:27,532 --> 00:27:31,869 and their prize was to open the show for the great James Brown. 398 00:27:31,995 --> 00:27:34,705 Well, he broke out into this James Brown, I Got the Feelin', 399 00:27:34,831 --> 00:27:38,375 and doing his little toes and dancing and looking like James, 400 00:27:38,501 --> 00:27:40,210 if James were a wind-up toy. 401 00:27:40,503 --> 00:27:42,379 And it was amazing. 402 00:27:42,547 --> 00:27:43,631 Rebbie Jackson MICHAEL'S SISTER 403 00:27:43,715 --> 00:27:46,425 He would perform and do the moves and routine that everyone else was doing. 404 00:27:46,551 --> 00:27:50,512 He used to do Fred Astaire and James Cagney. 405 00:27:50,597 --> 00:27:54,266 Then all of a sudden, he would add a little bit of something in there, different. 406 00:27:54,392 --> 00:27:56,852 And that was him feeling what he was doing. 407 00:27:57,604 --> 00:28:00,648 He excited me. I saw all of this in him. 408 00:28:00,732 --> 00:28:03,067 I saw things that he could do that I couldn't. 409 00:28:04,235 --> 00:28:07,029 He had the makings of a great singer. 410 00:28:07,197 --> 00:28:10,532 Michael had universal appeal back when he was real young. 411 00:28:10,617 --> 00:28:13,994 I mean, we weren't really into marketing or anything like that, 412 00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:15,829 but it was already there. 413 00:28:15,914 --> 00:28:18,707 I think the word for it, the phraseology, would be, 414 00:28:18,792 --> 00:28:23,379 "A diamond in the rough," without very many edges to buff off. 415 00:28:28,301 --> 00:28:30,135 With the rest of the brothers, now, 416 00:28:30,553 --> 00:28:32,054 Jermaine stuttered. 417 00:28:32,305 --> 00:28:34,807 And he always thought that if he stuttered when he talked, 418 00:28:34,933 --> 00:28:36,225 that he would do it when he sang. 419 00:28:37,060 --> 00:28:39,937 So I had to push Jermaine more than I had to push anyone else. 420 00:28:40,105 --> 00:28:44,274 And that's all I used, Jermaine, Michael and Jackie. 421 00:28:44,609 --> 00:28:47,152 I did not use Marlon, did not use Tito. 422 00:28:47,445 --> 00:28:49,405 They couldn't sing, right? 423 00:28:49,489 --> 00:28:52,116 And I told them. "Learn. Listen and learn." 424 00:28:52,283 --> 00:28:55,285 The complete group was not just those five boys. 425 00:28:55,787 --> 00:28:58,455 The complete group had two other ones with them, 426 00:28:58,665 --> 00:29:00,666 one was Johnny Jackson, the drummer, 427 00:29:00,792 --> 00:29:03,335 one was Ronnie Rancifer, the pianist, 428 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,922 which made the music for the group. 429 00:29:07,006 --> 00:29:09,591 Without them, there wouldn't have been this Jackson 5. 430 00:29:11,761 --> 00:29:14,805 Every producer has their own method to the madness, 431 00:29:14,931 --> 00:29:16,974 and Bobby's was pretty cool. 432 00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:19,893 He had the old-school roughness on that, you know. 433 00:29:19,978 --> 00:29:22,020 You have to have a certain kind of roughness, 434 00:29:22,147 --> 00:29:23,522 a certain kind of discipline. 435 00:29:23,648 --> 00:29:28,444 He felt Michael had something so special, and he told that to him. 436 00:29:29,654 --> 00:29:30,696 But he said, 437 00:29:30,822 --> 00:29:35,784 "Do not think just me telling you makes it happen. 438 00:29:36,536 --> 00:29:38,495 "It does not. 439 00:29:38,621 --> 00:29:43,625 "You've gotta work and continue to work for what you achieve. 440 00:29:43,710 --> 00:29:45,502 "It will never be easy." 441 00:29:45,837 --> 00:29:48,964 He wasn't always patient. 442 00:29:49,048 --> 00:29:52,426 He wasn't always saying things that you wanna hear, 443 00:29:52,510 --> 00:29:54,178 or saying it right. 444 00:29:54,304 --> 00:29:59,850 But what he said and what he was doing was just trying to make them stars. 445 00:30:00,477 --> 00:30:04,897 Our last day at the Regal Theater 446 00:30:05,023 --> 00:30:07,274 is when I went to Joe, I said, 447 00:30:07,358 --> 00:30:10,694 "Say now, why don't you let me put these kids at Motown?" 448 00:30:13,364 --> 00:30:16,867 And Joe said those words to me, "Man, I thought you'd never ask." 449 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,081 We were in New York City. 450 00:30:23,208 --> 00:30:24,208 Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER 451 00:30:24,334 --> 00:30:27,795 And we had just finished performing with James Brown. 452 00:30:27,879 --> 00:30:29,546 We were opening up for him. 453 00:30:30,715 --> 00:30:33,550 Bobby Taylor had been begging Berry to check us out. 454 00:30:34,052 --> 00:30:35,260 Berry Gordy - FOUNDER, MOTOWN RECORD CORPORATION 455 00:30:35,386 --> 00:30:38,180 And he wouldn't do it because he had another kid on his label. 456 00:30:38,723 --> 00:30:43,352 And he was catching a lot of flak from the state 457 00:30:43,436 --> 00:30:47,105 about working this kid who's underage. 458 00:30:47,232 --> 00:30:51,819 Berry would say, "I never wanna have anything to do with kids in this business. 459 00:30:51,903 --> 00:30:52,945 "It's too much problems. 460 00:30:53,071 --> 00:30:56,865 "I can't even handle one. What am I gonna do with five?" 461 00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:59,201 And the one kid was little Stevie Wonder. 462 00:31:01,412 --> 00:31:03,956 I drove Michael, Marlon, 463 00:31:05,250 --> 00:31:08,210 Tommy Chong, who was in my band, from Cheech and Chong, 464 00:31:08,294 --> 00:31:10,712 from Chicago to Detroit. 465 00:31:10,797 --> 00:31:13,423 I take Michael directly to Motown. 466 00:31:13,925 --> 00:31:17,261 So I said, "Berry, I've got these kids here 467 00:31:17,387 --> 00:31:20,264 "and they're number one coming out of the block." 468 00:31:20,515 --> 00:31:22,891 I said, "The lead singer's eight. 469 00:31:23,434 --> 00:31:25,644 "He can out-dance anybody you ever saw. 470 00:31:25,770 --> 00:31:27,312 "Jackie Wilson, James Brown. 471 00:31:27,438 --> 00:31:32,526 "If you close your eyes and listen to him after I finish teaching him, 472 00:31:32,610 --> 00:31:34,278 "the best singer you ever heard in your life." 473 00:31:34,404 --> 00:31:40,617 It was not easy to get a children's group signed to Motown. 474 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:45,414 And Bobby Taylor knew that when he called Berry 475 00:31:45,748 --> 00:31:49,585 and said, "I've got something so special, you gotta see it," 476 00:31:50,837 --> 00:31:53,297 that Berry would jump once he did. 477 00:31:53,464 --> 00:31:58,135 Because he would not have taken them to Berry to waste his time. 478 00:31:59,470 --> 00:32:05,809 The next morning, Berry Gordy called me from Los Angeles, and he says, 479 00:32:05,935 --> 00:32:07,978 "I want you to bring them out here." 480 00:32:10,273 --> 00:32:11,773 That's how they got to Motown. 481 00:32:18,489 --> 00:32:20,282 Going to California, the happiest day of my life. 482 00:32:20,366 --> 00:32:21,450 Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER 483 00:32:24,162 --> 00:32:28,165 Joseph had promised me that one day we would go to California. 484 00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:32,085 I'd tell him, "No," I said, "Your promise came true, 485 00:32:32,170 --> 00:32:34,963 "but you didn't bring me there, the children did." 486 00:32:39,177 --> 00:32:41,970 Berry Gordy was having a party for Diana Ross. 487 00:32:42,055 --> 00:32:43,597 It was her birthday. 488 00:32:43,681 --> 00:32:47,351 So he asked us to perform at this party for Diana, 489 00:32:48,019 --> 00:32:49,728 and of course we did. 490 00:32:49,854 --> 00:32:54,733 And at that party was, like, the Temptations, Smokey, the Vandellas, 491 00:32:54,859 --> 00:32:58,070 the Supremes, Four Tops. 492 00:32:58,196 --> 00:33:01,281 And here we are performing their songs to them. 493 00:33:01,366 --> 00:33:02,699 So we was quite nervous. 494 00:33:03,576 --> 00:33:04,660 Dionne Warwick SINGER 495 00:33:04,744 --> 00:33:08,538 I first met Michael, he was, I think he was 10 years old. 496 00:33:08,665 --> 00:33:10,666 He was flown out with his brothers 497 00:33:10,750 --> 00:33:13,335 to sing for Berry Gordy, Jr. 498 00:33:14,045 --> 00:33:17,547 Berry had invited a bunch of people up to his home. 499 00:33:17,674 --> 00:33:22,052 This little bitty thing came in and he sat down next to me 500 00:33:22,887 --> 00:33:25,555 and he looked at me and he says, "And who are you?" 501 00:33:25,682 --> 00:33:28,392 I said, "I'm Dionne Warwick. Who are you?" 502 00:33:29,060 --> 00:33:30,686 "I'm Michael Jackson." 503 00:33:30,770 --> 00:33:35,190 I said, "Nice to know you, Michael Jackson. And what do you do, Michael Jackson?" 504 00:33:35,733 --> 00:33:38,026 He says, "Oh, I sing." 505 00:33:38,861 --> 00:33:42,406 I said, "You sing? Can you sing?" 506 00:33:42,865 --> 00:33:45,075 He said, "Yes, I can sing." 507 00:33:45,618 --> 00:33:49,204 I mean, little feisty, beautiful young boy. 508 00:33:49,288 --> 00:33:52,541 I said, "Well, that's what we're here for. We're gonna see if you can sing." 509 00:34:00,591 --> 00:34:03,510 Watching them perform was excitement. 510 00:34:03,594 --> 00:34:04,636 Brenda Holloway ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 511 00:34:04,762 --> 00:34:06,930 Everyone in the group was an individual. 512 00:34:09,976 --> 00:34:13,103 And I feel that every one of them could have gone on their own. 513 00:34:13,229 --> 00:34:14,771 But Michael was the star. 514 00:34:21,821 --> 00:34:26,199 They came in and they sang a few songs. 515 00:34:26,284 --> 00:34:28,368 They sang a couple songs by James Brown, you know, 516 00:34:28,453 --> 00:34:29,494 Smokey Robinson ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 517 00:34:29,620 --> 00:34:35,125 and Michael did the James Brown dances, and he really did them. 518 00:34:35,251 --> 00:34:39,004 He's 10 years old and he was dancing like he was about 30. 519 00:34:39,130 --> 00:34:43,800 How in the world could this little boy, and he was a kid, 520 00:34:43,926 --> 00:34:45,260 be so talented? 521 00:34:45,344 --> 00:34:47,679 That's what everybody went away talking about. 522 00:34:52,685 --> 00:34:56,063 I think all of us Motown artists were astonished 523 00:34:56,147 --> 00:34:57,189 Kim Weston ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 524 00:34:57,315 --> 00:35:01,109 because here's a kid that, you know, seemed to have no fear. 525 00:35:01,194 --> 00:35:07,324 You know, when the music hit, he was ready, you know, or ready before the music hit. 526 00:35:07,658 --> 00:35:09,534 He said, "I want you to know something, too." 527 00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:10,911 I said, "What's that?" 528 00:35:10,995 --> 00:35:14,372 "You sang a song about my name, Michael." 529 00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:18,794 I said, "Yeah. You think that song was for you?" 530 00:35:20,338 --> 00:35:22,130 He said, "Wasn't it?" 531 00:35:24,467 --> 00:35:28,053 He was an adorable child. It was a wonderful meeting. 532 00:35:28,805 --> 00:35:31,014 They loved it. They enjoyed it. 533 00:35:31,390 --> 00:35:33,183 That was our audition. 534 00:35:34,393 --> 00:35:37,562 So I'm very proud of that moment in our life. 535 00:35:42,193 --> 00:35:44,152 There was another world about to open 536 00:35:44,237 --> 00:35:45,278 David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND 537 00:35:45,363 --> 00:35:47,656 and he was ready to delve into it. 538 00:35:47,865 --> 00:35:49,116 Marvin Gaye 539 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,325 Junior Walker 540 00:35:50,409 --> 00:35:52,119 When you went to Motown, it was... Everyone was there. 541 00:35:52,203 --> 00:35:53,620 The Isley Brothers 542 00:35:53,704 --> 00:35:54,746 Kim Weston 543 00:35:54,872 --> 00:35:55,956 Edwin Starr 544 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,082 Jimmy Ruffin 545 00:35:57,208 --> 00:36:00,710 It was like Disneyland. You saw Smokey, you saw Mary, you saw Diana Ross. 546 00:36:00,837 --> 00:36:04,714 But everybody was trying to perfect their artistry. 547 00:36:04,841 --> 00:36:07,175 The feeling at Motown was it was a family, a musical family. 548 00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:08,510 Valerie Simpson & Nickolas Ashford 549 00:36:08,594 --> 00:36:09,761 SINGERS & SONGWRITERS, "ASHFORD & SIMPSON" 550 00:36:09,887 --> 00:36:13,557 And we all were a part of excellence and greatness, musical greatness. 551 00:36:13,683 --> 00:36:16,726 And we so were fans of each other's work, 552 00:36:16,853 --> 00:36:20,063 so that when we saw each other, it was just instant love. 553 00:36:20,189 --> 00:36:23,942 We got, "We knew what you were doing. I heard what you're working on." 554 00:36:24,068 --> 00:36:26,695 And it just... We kept pushing each other. 555 00:36:26,904 --> 00:36:29,030 When you start working with the best in the business 556 00:36:29,115 --> 00:36:30,532 Russell Thompkins, Jr. LEAD SINGER,"THE STYLISTICS" 557 00:36:30,616 --> 00:36:32,325 that are teaching you how to dance, how to play this 558 00:36:32,410 --> 00:36:35,745 and teaching you how to sing this, putting you at the piano, 559 00:36:35,872 --> 00:36:40,292 vocal coaches, dancing coaches, people who teach you how to talk. 560 00:36:40,418 --> 00:36:43,545 When you work with that from the time that you're a young man, 561 00:36:43,713 --> 00:36:46,464 you grow up with so much influence. 562 00:36:46,632 --> 00:36:49,259 So it wasn't just the fact that Michael Jackson 563 00:36:49,385 --> 00:36:53,263 was born with so much great talent. He always had it around him. 564 00:36:58,561 --> 00:37:00,562 Michael Jackson studied all the artists, all the great artists. 565 00:37:00,646 --> 00:37:01,730 Jimmy Ruffin ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 566 00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:06,818 He studied me, he studied Marvin Gaye, he studied Stevie Wonder. 567 00:37:06,944 --> 00:37:08,236 He studied everybody. 568 00:37:08,321 --> 00:37:12,991 We were the best in the country at the time. 569 00:37:18,414 --> 00:37:21,499 The first time I saw them perform was in San Francisco 570 00:37:21,626 --> 00:37:23,418 and I was like, "Wow." 571 00:37:23,502 --> 00:37:25,837 It was like, "There's nobody that good." 572 00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:34,804 Berry Gordy was like, "Keep your cards close to your chest. 573 00:37:35,264 --> 00:37:37,432 "Don't let people know what you're thinking. 574 00:37:38,142 --> 00:37:41,436 "Don't let the artists know how much people like them." 575 00:37:41,979 --> 00:37:43,688 He was a shrewd guy. 576 00:37:46,484 --> 00:37:51,446 Berry looked after every aspect of an artist's career. 577 00:37:51,530 --> 00:37:55,909 Now, some may complain today that they didn't get paid enough royalties 578 00:37:55,993 --> 00:37:59,788 and they never received a lot of their publishing. 579 00:37:59,872 --> 00:38:01,456 But I'll tell you something. 580 00:38:01,999 --> 00:38:05,710 Berry Gordy made these artists. 581 00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:07,879 Everybody, I think, had different relationships with Berry. 582 00:38:08,005 --> 00:38:09,005 Abdul "Duke" Fakir ARTIST,"THE FOUR TOPS" 583 00:38:09,131 --> 00:38:11,967 We had a great relationship with Berry and we still do. 584 00:38:12,051 --> 00:38:16,179 He gave us... He promised us things that he made come true, 585 00:38:16,305 --> 00:38:21,142 that he couldn't put in the contract. But he promised them and kept his word. 586 00:38:21,227 --> 00:38:27,482 What he saw in the Jackson 5 was a children's group that could transcend 587 00:38:27,984 --> 00:38:32,028 every age group. And he nurtured their talents. 588 00:38:32,697 --> 00:38:34,572 He knew he had something special. 589 00:38:35,032 --> 00:38:38,034 I made him sit in while I was doing the music 590 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,202 Bobby Taylor ARTIST, GORDY & MOTOWN RECORDS 591 00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:41,579 that they had to work with. 592 00:38:41,914 --> 00:38:46,251 They were with me 200 hours a day. 593 00:38:46,377 --> 00:38:49,254 Being attentive, if I saw somebody sleeping, 594 00:38:49,380 --> 00:38:51,506 then I would send them back to the house 595 00:38:51,590 --> 00:38:53,758 and tell them, "I don't wanna see you for a week." 596 00:38:53,884 --> 00:38:56,386 They worked hard, they really worked hard. 597 00:38:57,888 --> 00:39:02,851 Michael now would stay over at Diana Ross's house and rehearse. 598 00:39:03,060 --> 00:39:05,770 He really liked Diana Ross and she liked him. 599 00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:08,565 Diana Ross was showing him off. 600 00:39:08,733 --> 00:39:11,693 She just like... She was the one that discovered him 601 00:39:11,777 --> 00:39:16,865 and later on I found out that Bobby Taylor actually discovered him. 602 00:39:18,576 --> 00:39:19,784 I think we were just kids. 603 00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:23,913 We didn't realise all the great accomplishments 604 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,749 that we had achieved. 605 00:39:25,875 --> 00:39:31,171 Seeing Hollywood and playing with Diana Ross. I mean, we were in heaven. 606 00:39:31,255 --> 00:39:34,924 Just those things alone was priceless to us. 607 00:39:35,092 --> 00:39:37,594 Michael told me when he came to LA, 608 00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,597 it was like his whole world had changed. 609 00:39:41,098 --> 00:39:46,436 He could buy as much candy as he wanted because nobody would say no to him. 610 00:39:53,444 --> 00:39:56,029 Michael and I went to see the Four Tops, 611 00:39:56,113 --> 00:40:01,910 it was around 1971 or '72. 612 00:40:06,082 --> 00:40:08,166 Michael and David just came to the dressing room 613 00:40:08,292 --> 00:40:10,668 and in the dressing room was also Stevie Wonder. 614 00:40:11,462 --> 00:40:15,423 I said to Levi Stubbs, "You're brilliant. I love your voice." 615 00:40:15,508 --> 00:40:19,427 And Michael looked at him and said, "I learned everything from you." 616 00:40:19,512 --> 00:40:21,805 And he was cut off. Stevie said, "What?" 617 00:40:22,014 --> 00:40:24,891 And he grabbed Michael and flung him up against the wall... 618 00:40:24,975 --> 00:40:27,519 And said, "You learned everything from who?" 619 00:40:27,645 --> 00:40:29,687 And he goes, "You, Stevie, you." 620 00:40:29,814 --> 00:40:32,774 It was so funny. It was so funny. 621 00:40:33,275 --> 00:40:35,151 Levi and I, we never forgot that. 622 00:40:37,113 --> 00:40:40,365 Bobby Taylor and I would take Michael to the golf course with us. 623 00:40:40,491 --> 00:40:43,743 He had never even picked up a golf club in his life. 624 00:40:43,828 --> 00:40:46,496 Yet, he was our greatest golf critic. 625 00:40:46,956 --> 00:40:49,416 "Well, Smokey, you know, you hit your ball over in the woods 626 00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:52,669 "because you didn't have your foot standing right here..." 627 00:40:53,295 --> 00:40:59,342 "Bobby, see, your club was not, you know..." He's gonna tell us why we had a bad shot. 628 00:40:59,677 --> 00:41:02,387 But it was fun. He was a great, fun kid. 629 00:41:05,850 --> 00:41:08,518 The first time I heard I Want You Back in the studio, 630 00:41:08,644 --> 00:41:12,981 I noticed a different kind of brightness to the movement, 631 00:41:13,065 --> 00:41:14,274 Ronnie Rancifer KEYBOARDIST,"JACKSON 5" 1967-77 632 00:41:14,358 --> 00:41:16,734 other than normal Motown brightness. 633 00:41:17,403 --> 00:41:19,487 It was going in a different direction, 634 00:41:19,572 --> 00:41:23,199 which was good because Motown's sound was diversified. 635 00:41:23,409 --> 00:41:27,495 When you listened to I Want You Back, you knew Berry had a knack to get 636 00:41:27,580 --> 00:41:31,541 the best commercial record out of these kids 637 00:41:31,667 --> 00:41:33,918 and make them a worldwide success. 638 00:41:41,677 --> 00:41:47,182 When my sister and my mom first heard our first hit record, I Want You Back, 639 00:41:47,266 --> 00:41:50,393 my father had sent it over, they didn't care for it. 640 00:41:50,603 --> 00:41:52,312 I didn't like it at all. 641 00:41:52,396 --> 00:41:54,981 Because the songs that the children sang 642 00:41:55,065 --> 00:41:58,735 was more like the, I should say, soul music. 643 00:41:59,403 --> 00:42:02,363 And to me, I Want You Back didn't sound that way. 644 00:42:02,948 --> 00:42:06,618 All the songs that was out then sound so different, 645 00:42:06,744 --> 00:42:09,370 so I guess Berry wanted to bring out a different style. 646 00:42:09,455 --> 00:42:13,541 Little did they know it was a very big song, number one. 647 00:42:24,303 --> 00:42:26,429 It was just an unbelievable track. 648 00:42:26,555 --> 00:42:30,141 It just came out of the radio like lightning. 649 00:42:30,267 --> 00:42:34,729 Oh, them Jackson 5, that is a kickin' group. 650 00:42:34,813 --> 00:42:39,275 "Wow, that's them?" And I had to get used to the song 651 00:42:39,777 --> 00:42:42,445 because even though it was a very big hit, 652 00:42:44,281 --> 00:42:47,492 your brothers singing on a record, on vinyl, and you hearing it 653 00:42:47,618 --> 00:42:49,118 is something totally different. 654 00:42:49,662 --> 00:42:50,703 We just don't have songs that come and go, 655 00:42:50,788 --> 00:42:53,081 Voice of Michael Jackson Interview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli 656 00:42:53,165 --> 00:42:54,916 we have songs that'll be around all the time. 657 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,710 Like, you'll hear them on the FM classical stations, 658 00:42:57,795 --> 00:43:00,838 by the Philharmonic Orchestra, things like that. 659 00:43:00,965 --> 00:43:05,176 So it's just not what people call it, kiddie rock. It's not that. 660 00:43:05,928 --> 00:43:07,971 And a million sellers, a million selling. 661 00:43:08,305 --> 00:43:09,722 J. Randy Taraborrelli JACKSON'S FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER 662 00:43:09,807 --> 00:43:13,643 It was difficult to believe that they were Motown artists, 663 00:43:13,769 --> 00:43:15,645 because they were just kids. 664 00:43:15,771 --> 00:43:19,023 It was as if they had some kind of stardust rub off on them 665 00:43:19,149 --> 00:43:22,777 because, you know, they were becoming close to Berry Gordy, 666 00:43:22,861 --> 00:43:25,613 Diana Ross, and to all of my idols. 667 00:43:31,287 --> 00:43:34,247 When I wrote Who's Lovin' You, I was, you know, in my early 20s. 668 00:43:34,331 --> 00:43:35,373 Smokey Robinson ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 669 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,304 But at least, at that point, I had had a chance to experience 670 00:43:49,388 --> 00:43:51,347 some life and some love. 671 00:43:51,473 --> 00:43:54,309 I was married. I got married when I was 19. 672 00:43:55,227 --> 00:43:58,980 The subject matter of the song is like a person 673 00:43:59,064 --> 00:44:03,026 who has somebody who really loves them. 674 00:44:03,527 --> 00:44:05,737 And yet they don't appreciate it. They do the person wrong. 675 00:44:06,030 --> 00:44:08,197 The first time I heard Smokey's Who's Lovin' You, 676 00:44:08,324 --> 00:44:10,908 my assistant was playing it and it's one of those, 677 00:44:11,035 --> 00:44:18,041 oh, party, red-light, basement-type, you know, up on it. 678 00:44:20,377 --> 00:44:22,253 But when Michael got ahold to it, 679 00:44:22,379 --> 00:44:25,715 and Bobby Taylor infused him up with that funk, 680 00:44:25,841 --> 00:44:30,219 man, Michael put that soul in that song so deep, it was soulful. 681 00:44:48,072 --> 00:44:51,741 How could he possibly know what that song meant? 682 00:44:51,909 --> 00:44:53,576 He sang it like he had written it. 683 00:44:56,246 --> 00:44:59,916 I sing Who's Lovin' You, or part of it, in my live concerts 684 00:45:00,584 --> 00:45:03,961 and many times, young people have come up to me after the concert and said, 685 00:45:04,088 --> 00:45:06,422 "Oh, I didn't know you sang Michael Jackson's song." 686 00:45:13,889 --> 00:45:18,810 A kid, 11 years old, singing that song with that much emotion? It was incredible. 687 00:45:19,061 --> 00:45:20,103 Unbelievable. 688 00:45:34,618 --> 00:45:36,994 He seemed as if he was an old soul, 689 00:45:37,454 --> 00:45:40,832 that he could take a song like Who's Lovin' You 690 00:45:40,958 --> 00:45:44,794 and he could actually interpret those lyrics 691 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,838 in a way that made you believe 692 00:45:46,964 --> 00:45:50,591 that he had those experiences, when actually he was 10 years old. 693 00:45:50,968 --> 00:45:54,429 If you didn't know he was a kid, you'd have thought he was an old man. 694 00:45:55,848 --> 00:45:57,724 But he was singing it from his heart. 695 00:45:57,808 --> 00:46:00,101 You know, Michael's life was kind of paradoxical to me, 696 00:46:00,185 --> 00:46:03,813 because when he was a child, he was a man. 697 00:46:04,314 --> 00:46:07,108 So when he was a man, he got the chance to be a child and he took it. 698 00:46:18,996 --> 00:46:24,625 He had a way of interpreting a lyric, even as a very young boy, 699 00:46:24,835 --> 00:46:27,336 that made you believe the song. 700 00:46:40,893 --> 00:46:42,852 He knew how to perform. 701 00:46:43,228 --> 00:46:46,189 This was, I think, something that Berry Gordy really liked about Michael 702 00:46:46,315 --> 00:46:48,941 because, not only was he a great vocal talent, 703 00:46:49,026 --> 00:46:50,443 but he was a great performer. 704 00:46:50,527 --> 00:46:52,820 Watching him, as a kid, be so comfortable performing 705 00:46:52,905 --> 00:46:53,988 Peabo Bryson SINGER 706 00:46:54,072 --> 00:46:59,202 probably helped me become a better performer, actually. 707 00:46:59,536 --> 00:47:01,454 His voice was nearly as high as Stevie Wonder's. 708 00:47:01,538 --> 00:47:02,622 Martha Reeves ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 709 00:47:02,706 --> 00:47:04,707 I met Stevie when he was eight years old 710 00:47:04,875 --> 00:47:11,297 and I said, "Here's another little youngster who's far beyond his age, talent-wise, 711 00:47:11,381 --> 00:47:15,718 "but able to sing adult songs in perfect-pitched voices, 712 00:47:15,844 --> 00:47:18,179 "real high voices that hadn't changed yet." 713 00:47:26,939 --> 00:47:29,190 His voice and his expressions and his... 714 00:47:29,274 --> 00:47:30,316 Weldon Arthur McDougal III 715 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,442 A & R EXECUTIVE, MOTOWN RECORDS 1969-80 716 00:47:31,568 --> 00:47:35,196 ...charisma start taking these songs over. 717 00:47:36,073 --> 00:47:39,992 Like, if Smokey felt like he did his song 718 00:47:40,077 --> 00:47:42,745 and more people like the way Michael did it than him, 719 00:47:42,871 --> 00:47:45,706 that's because he did that with all of his songs at that time. 720 00:47:51,421 --> 00:47:57,134 No matter who it was, the O'Jays, the Dells, the Whispers or the Beatles, 721 00:47:57,594 --> 00:47:59,387 we wanted to be the best. 722 00:47:59,471 --> 00:48:02,849 And that's what we were striving for. 723 00:48:04,893 --> 00:48:11,566 Berry Gordy did not like the stuff that Bobby Taylor was recording on them. 724 00:48:11,692 --> 00:48:17,947 I wanted to do the boys a certain way, but he wanted me to do them his way. 725 00:48:19,283 --> 00:48:23,035 And I says, "I can't do them the way you want me to do them. 726 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,871 "I must have my own head." 727 00:48:24,955 --> 00:48:26,747 So he says, "Okay, We're going back to Detroit." 728 00:48:27,082 --> 00:48:28,624 Then he took over. 729 00:48:28,709 --> 00:48:33,796 Berry Gordy, in turn, put his crew together. 730 00:48:34,256 --> 00:48:38,718 The Corporation was established to bring fresh new material 731 00:48:39,136 --> 00:48:40,803 to the Jackson 5. 732 00:48:40,888 --> 00:48:42,471 Youthful material. 733 00:48:42,764 --> 00:48:48,436 I think he probably felt that Bobby Taylor would 734 00:48:49,771 --> 00:48:54,817 give them more adult material and forget that they were children. 735 00:48:54,902 --> 00:48:58,654 He saw gazillions, right? 736 00:48:59,072 --> 00:49:00,239 Then he took over. 737 00:49:00,324 --> 00:49:04,994 Bobby Taylor did never get the recognition he should have gotten 738 00:49:05,621 --> 00:49:07,496 for working with them, 739 00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:11,000 from the group or the public. 740 00:49:13,295 --> 00:49:18,507 Bobby Taylor produced 10 songs on the album: "Diana Ross Presents The Jackson 5" 741 00:49:20,344 --> 00:49:25,765 During 1969-70 the Jackson 5 released 4 number one singles in a row. 742 00:49:32,648 --> 00:49:34,357 The Corporation, is what they called themselves, 743 00:49:34,441 --> 00:49:39,111 they topped themselves with those early songs by the Jackson 5, 744 00:49:39,196 --> 00:49:40,696 they were absolutely incredible. 745 00:49:40,822 --> 00:49:42,782 Absolutely incredible. 746 00:49:43,033 --> 00:49:46,869 When my boys had five gold records in a row, 747 00:49:48,997 --> 00:49:53,209 I was very proud of them because I know it was something that they wanted 748 00:49:53,377 --> 00:49:56,128 and it was their dream. 749 00:49:56,213 --> 00:49:59,382 And they were happy and I was happy. 750 00:49:59,508 --> 00:50:01,550 The whole family was happy about that. 751 00:50:06,348 --> 00:50:08,641 We did a show once for Jesse Jackson. 752 00:50:08,725 --> 00:50:09,809 Dennis Edwards LEAD SINGER,"THE TEMPTATIONS" 753 00:50:09,893 --> 00:50:11,644 You know, Jesse Jackson, he's the activist. 754 00:50:11,728 --> 00:50:15,398 He's got an organisation called PUSH Expo. 755 00:50:15,524 --> 00:50:17,650 He booked the Temptations and the Jackson 5. 756 00:50:17,734 --> 00:50:19,151 They were just up and coming. 757 00:50:19,236 --> 00:50:24,740 We were superstars at that time and, oh, man, it was so many people. 758 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,495 When they did that show, 759 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,581 the Temptations got a great response. 760 00:50:34,751 --> 00:50:38,504 When the Jackson 5 came on, it was phenomenal. 761 00:50:38,922 --> 00:50:41,215 I mean, almost blew the roof off the place. 762 00:50:45,262 --> 00:50:46,929 They couldn't get us to our limos. 763 00:50:47,014 --> 00:50:50,516 They had to back up an armoured car, a Brink's car. 764 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,602 It's like a moment in history. 765 00:50:54,438 --> 00:50:59,233 That's when they finally made it with the black R&B public. 766 00:50:59,693 --> 00:51:02,445 They were just ripe for stardom. 767 00:51:05,282 --> 00:51:08,284 On the stage, he was a different guy. 768 00:51:11,121 --> 00:51:15,583 He was really as much of an actor in so many ways as he was a singer. 769 00:51:16,209 --> 00:51:17,626 A lot of people always come up to a lot of us and say 770 00:51:17,753 --> 00:51:20,046 Voice of Michael Jackson Interview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli 771 00:51:20,130 --> 00:51:21,130 it's like two different people. 772 00:51:21,256 --> 00:51:23,215 On stage and off stage. 773 00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:27,970 When we was talking, he's shy and, you know, very soft spoken. 774 00:51:28,472 --> 00:51:30,973 But just when he jumped on that stage, he's like... 775 00:51:41,485 --> 00:51:44,111 Well, I mean, he was a different person 776 00:51:44,321 --> 00:51:47,948 and I've never seen that in another artist's life. 777 00:51:48,575 --> 00:51:50,284 He was like two guys. 778 00:51:50,410 --> 00:51:54,246 Anything he felt that he wanted to do, he would do it on stage. 779 00:52:07,427 --> 00:52:09,845 The moment he came off of the stage, 780 00:52:09,930 --> 00:52:14,683 he was back to the little boy he was before he went on stage. 781 00:52:22,025 --> 00:52:24,693 When I get on stage, I really, totally do. That's with a lot of performers. 782 00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:27,113 Voice of Michael Jackson Interview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli 783 00:52:27,197 --> 00:52:28,197 I've learned that about comedians, too. 784 00:52:28,323 --> 00:52:30,783 It's like when I worked with Richard Pryor in The Wiz. 785 00:52:30,867 --> 00:52:33,869 A lot of people think he's the funniest guy to be around 24 hours. 786 00:52:33,954 --> 00:52:36,705 That's not true. He's really shy and quiet. 787 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,791 We were all like that, too. 788 00:52:38,875 --> 00:52:43,045 Singing or dancing in front of, like, one person, can't do it. 789 00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:46,882 But, like, it's 300,000000, you feel so free, so much easier. 790 00:52:46,967 --> 00:52:48,050 It's hard to explain. 791 00:52:56,226 --> 00:52:59,311 What motivates Michael Jackson? 792 00:53:00,188 --> 00:53:02,064 That was an audience. 793 00:53:02,482 --> 00:53:03,649 Think about it. 794 00:53:03,733 --> 00:53:09,196 He's shy, he won't look at you, right? 795 00:53:09,364 --> 00:53:10,531 On stage, what is he? 796 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,706 He owns it. 797 00:53:19,249 --> 00:53:21,667 So if I had people looking at him, 798 00:53:21,751 --> 00:53:24,920 I used to bring five, six girls every time, right? 799 00:53:25,046 --> 00:53:28,340 And I'd say, "Michael, look at that girl, man. They think you're cute." 800 00:53:28,425 --> 00:53:31,844 Michael would say, "Dang, Bobby, they said that?" 801 00:53:31,928 --> 00:53:35,222 I said, "You better go out there and sing now, son." 802 00:53:44,441 --> 00:53:47,526 I said, "You go out there and you mess up now," I said, 803 00:53:47,611 --> 00:53:49,612 "They're gonna tell all the rest of the girls out there. 804 00:53:49,696 --> 00:53:52,364 "You're gonna be one ugly little boy everywhere you go." 805 00:54:01,208 --> 00:54:04,376 He used to go out and do one take. 806 00:54:09,549 --> 00:54:14,428 When we were on the road, Michael would worry you to death. 807 00:54:14,721 --> 00:54:16,388 I hear somebody knocking on my door and say, 808 00:54:16,473 --> 00:54:21,143 "Hey, man, what's wrong?" "Oh, man, what you doing? I wanna come in." 809 00:54:21,269 --> 00:54:25,898 So I'd let him in. I'd say, "Man, why don't you hang out with Jackie and them guys?" 810 00:54:25,982 --> 00:54:28,442 "Hey, man, they got somebody in their room." 811 00:54:30,570 --> 00:54:32,404 I said, "Well, how do you know?" 812 00:54:32,489 --> 00:54:35,241 He said, "'Cause I was listening to the door for about an hour." 813 00:54:38,662 --> 00:54:41,121 He was like a little boy, I mean, he... 814 00:54:41,248 --> 00:54:42,414 I said, "What were they doing?" 815 00:54:42,499 --> 00:54:44,833 He said, "They were talking, but they won't let me in." 816 00:54:45,418 --> 00:54:51,173 They were like little kids and they were very, very happy 817 00:54:51,258 --> 00:54:52,800 and very carefree. 818 00:54:52,926 --> 00:54:55,511 Michael loved being Michael Jackson at that age. 819 00:54:56,596 --> 00:54:59,682 He loved touring, he loved recording at Motown. 820 00:54:59,808 --> 00:55:03,519 He loved his fans, he loved performing. 821 00:55:03,853 --> 00:55:08,774 They had dirt bikes and they used to go on Saturday mornings. 822 00:55:08,858 --> 00:55:12,027 They'd go to a place where they could ride them, 823 00:55:12,195 --> 00:55:14,613 and Michael used to tear that thing up. 824 00:55:14,698 --> 00:55:17,866 Man, he was flying up and down over the hills. 825 00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:22,288 I thought it was, you know, he was like any other little boy. 826 00:55:22,664 --> 00:55:25,708 But he was a little boy with a dirt bike. 827 00:55:26,042 --> 00:55:28,460 I mean, they had two or three of them. 828 00:55:28,545 --> 00:55:32,172 So, when people say that he didn't have a childhood, 829 00:55:32,632 --> 00:55:35,384 far as I'd seen he had a childhood. 830 00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:39,138 When he was a kid, things were a lot simpler. 831 00:55:39,347 --> 00:55:44,560 And I think that, as they got older, the family became more divided 832 00:55:44,978 --> 00:55:46,979 and other stuff happened in Michael Jackson's life 833 00:55:47,063 --> 00:55:49,732 to make him wish that he was 12 years old again. 834 00:55:49,858 --> 00:55:53,736 So, when he says he missed out on his childhood, 835 00:55:53,862 --> 00:55:57,531 I've always felt that what he really meant was that he just missed it very much. 836 00:56:04,748 --> 00:56:06,665 The first time I met him was when he was 14, 837 00:56:06,750 --> 00:56:07,833 Don Black SONGWRITER,"BEN" 838 00:56:07,917 --> 00:56:10,336 full of life, full of ambition. 839 00:56:11,504 --> 00:56:15,090 It was at the peak of his powers. 840 00:56:17,344 --> 00:56:21,388 Fire in his belly and just everything about him was fabulous. 841 00:56:29,189 --> 00:56:31,523 I wrote it about friendship. 842 00:56:31,608 --> 00:56:34,777 The story is about this boy who's very seriously ill 843 00:56:34,903 --> 00:56:37,196 and nothing's going right for him. 844 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,283 But a little rat comes along one day, he sees it in his bedroom. 845 00:56:42,327 --> 00:56:46,955 But it was a lovely little mouse kind of rat. 846 00:56:47,624 --> 00:56:48,999 And he befriends him. 847 00:56:49,918 --> 00:56:54,046 And it makes the boy so much better, it lifts his spirits up. 848 00:56:54,130 --> 00:56:57,341 And that's how I wrote the song, about friendship. 849 00:56:57,467 --> 00:56:58,717 It can be about a rat. 850 00:56:58,802 --> 00:57:02,346 "The two of us need look no more. You're always running here and there." 851 00:57:02,472 --> 00:57:04,473 But it could be about a best friend. 852 00:57:09,854 --> 00:57:14,608 When Michael recorded Ben, I remember going to the studio 853 00:57:14,692 --> 00:57:17,236 and it was just magical. I just loved it. 854 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,657 I always remember Michael getting very emotional about that song. 855 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,160 His eyes welled up a bit, 856 00:57:25,286 --> 00:57:26,578 particularly at the middle bit. 857 00:57:26,663 --> 00:57:28,997 I'll never forget that image. 858 00:57:29,124 --> 00:57:32,543 The middle bit was, "I used to say 'I' and 'me'," 859 00:57:32,669 --> 00:57:35,295 "now it's 'us', now it's 'we'." 860 00:57:41,511 --> 00:57:43,887 Michael just loved those lines. 861 00:57:44,013 --> 00:57:47,307 In fact, that's why, I think, we repeat them in the song. 862 00:57:47,392 --> 00:57:48,851 We do it again. 863 00:57:54,190 --> 00:57:56,984 There was a longing, I think, for love and acceptance, 864 00:57:57,068 --> 00:57:59,403 going all the way back to when he was a little kid. 865 00:57:59,529 --> 00:58:04,408 And you were able to hear that longing in his voice. 866 00:58:04,534 --> 00:58:05,617 Singing is passion. 867 00:58:05,702 --> 00:58:06,743 Bobby Taylor ARTIST, GORDY & MOTOWN RECORDS 868 00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:08,036 You have to do it from inside of you. 869 00:58:08,872 --> 00:58:12,499 It has to come from your soul, your heart. 870 00:58:15,503 --> 00:58:16,920 And Michael Jackson had that. 871 00:58:17,046 --> 00:58:19,673 It wasn't done for the posture of "I did this." 872 00:58:19,757 --> 00:58:21,341 Dionne Warwick SINGER 873 00:58:21,426 --> 00:58:25,053 It was done because his heart said, "This is what I need to do," and he did it. 874 00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:26,722 Michael sings like an angel. 875 00:58:26,806 --> 00:58:28,390 He has the voice of an angel and he does... 876 00:58:28,516 --> 00:58:29,558 Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff 877 00:58:29,642 --> 00:58:30,893 PRODUCERS & SONGWRITERS, PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS 878 00:58:31,019 --> 00:58:33,645 Every note is right on it and he was doing that at nine years old. 879 00:58:33,730 --> 00:58:36,231 I recorded Ben I don't know how long ago. 880 00:58:36,357 --> 00:58:38,650 I mean, I hear it all the time still, you know, go on and on and on. 881 00:58:38,735 --> 00:58:41,069 Voice of Michael Jackson Interview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli 882 00:58:41,154 --> 00:58:42,571 Yeah, it's selling more now. 883 00:58:42,655 --> 00:58:44,531 So, it's what you leave behind, I think. 884 00:58:51,414 --> 00:58:55,542 There are people who come along once in a lifetime. 885 00:58:56,085 --> 00:58:58,378 Michael Jackson, he only happens once. 886 00:59:18,024 --> 00:59:21,360 When you think about Michael Jackson, you think about him as a kid. 887 00:59:21,444 --> 00:59:22,528 Freda Payne SINGER 888 00:59:22,612 --> 00:59:26,532 Like when he did some of those earlier songs, like Ben. 889 00:59:33,456 --> 00:59:36,959 And then as he grew and evolved and became a young man, 890 00:59:38,586 --> 00:59:42,047 I saw the metamorphosis of a beautiful, beautiful flower, 891 00:59:42,131 --> 00:59:44,424 just blooming and unfolding. 892 00:59:49,889 --> 00:59:51,890 Michael enjoyed what he was doing. 893 00:59:51,975 --> 00:59:53,058 Mickey & Jan Rooney JACKSON'S FRIENDS 894 00:59:53,142 --> 00:59:58,146 That's why, transition from very young to getting older, 895 00:59:58,481 --> 01:00:04,987 it's just one year after another, but doing what the good Lord let us do. 896 01:00:05,488 --> 01:00:08,323 When Michael became a teenager, his voice changed. 897 01:00:08,408 --> 01:00:11,159 He realised that he would be singing different types of music, 898 01:00:11,244 --> 01:00:12,244 David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND 899 01:00:12,328 --> 01:00:15,998 not kiddie pop songs like he had been most of his career. 900 01:00:17,417 --> 01:00:21,003 The first time we worked with the Jackson 5 was very exciting. 901 01:00:21,129 --> 01:00:23,338 Because the one thing I noticed about the group, 902 01:00:23,423 --> 01:00:24,423 Brian & Eddie Holland 903 01:00:24,507 --> 01:00:25,591 SONGWRITERS, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND 904 01:00:25,675 --> 01:00:28,927 that they were extremely down to earth, very mannerable, 905 01:00:29,012 --> 01:00:30,679 very, very polite. 906 01:00:30,805 --> 01:00:34,433 Michael recorded several songs of mine and the Hollands' 907 01:00:34,517 --> 01:00:35,684 Lamont Dozier SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND 908 01:00:35,810 --> 01:00:38,145 and Forever Came Today was one of my favourites. 909 01:00:42,859 --> 01:00:46,320 He had such pipes and drama in his voice 910 01:00:46,446 --> 01:00:48,155 to be so young. 911 01:00:52,660 --> 01:00:54,953 He was just one of a kind in that respect. 912 01:00:55,038 --> 01:00:57,164 He really did the songs justice. 913 01:00:58,958 --> 01:01:02,878 I think Michael knew how important lyric was to the song. 914 01:01:02,962 --> 01:01:04,046 Valerie Simpson & Nickolas Ashford 915 01:01:04,130 --> 01:01:05,547 SINGERS & SONGWRITERS, "ASHFORD & SIMPSON" 916 01:01:05,673 --> 01:01:08,967 And it had to reach, touch something, I think, for him to really wanna sing it. 917 01:01:09,052 --> 01:01:12,804 And, you know, he'd dance and sing at the same time 918 01:01:12,889 --> 01:01:15,724 so it had to correspond with his body, too. 919 01:01:15,808 --> 01:01:19,061 So it all had to be one piece for him. 920 01:01:23,566 --> 01:01:26,902 He didn't want fluff. He wanted something with legs on it, 921 01:01:27,028 --> 01:01:29,321 something that was gonna last through time 922 01:01:29,405 --> 01:01:31,823 and that's actually what he ended up creating. 923 01:01:32,033 --> 01:01:36,078 The bigger he became as an artist, 924 01:01:36,913 --> 01:01:41,416 the more enamoured he seemed to be over songwriters. 925 01:01:46,089 --> 01:01:50,592 A lot of people have done those songs and couldn't get a handle on them 926 01:01:50,718 --> 01:01:53,345 like the Levi Stubbs or Diana Ross, 927 01:01:53,429 --> 01:01:57,224 but he just had a knack, a gift. 928 01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,936 He already had a cake but then he put icing all on top of it. 929 01:02:05,233 --> 01:02:06,775 Around 1974, 930 01:02:07,235 --> 01:02:09,778 they started doing product at Motown that perhaps wasn't the best. 931 01:02:09,862 --> 01:02:11,196 J. Randy Taraborrelli JACKSON FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER 932 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,866 As a fan, I loved songs like The Boogie Man is gonna get you, 933 01:02:14,951 --> 01:02:18,787 and Lookin' through the Windows, and Skywriter, 934 01:02:18,955 --> 01:02:20,956 but these songs weren't hits. 935 01:02:22,792 --> 01:02:24,292 Joe mentioned to me 936 01:02:24,377 --> 01:02:30,298 several times that he felt like Motown was taking the group over, 937 01:02:30,425 --> 01:02:33,301 taking them away from his direction. 938 01:02:34,804 --> 01:02:36,555 What happened was that 939 01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:39,099 Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder and Smokey Robinson 940 01:02:39,225 --> 01:02:41,893 were writing and producing and doing a lot of things at Motown 941 01:02:42,145 --> 01:02:44,479 that the Jacksons had begun to want to do for themselves. 942 01:02:44,897 --> 01:02:47,733 And to see how Motown treated other artists 943 01:02:47,817 --> 01:02:50,152 and how the other artists was making it, 944 01:02:50,486 --> 01:02:52,070 it was kind of disillusion. 945 01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:57,826 The company was being run at that time by Ewart Abner, 946 01:02:57,910 --> 01:03:00,787 Berry Gordy was making movies with Diana Ross. 947 01:03:01,164 --> 01:03:03,081 And Abner felt pretty strongly 948 01:03:03,166 --> 01:03:06,334 that they should not be writing and producing their own music, 949 01:03:06,502 --> 01:03:09,004 that they should just accept the material that came their way 950 01:03:09,130 --> 01:03:11,089 and just do a good job with it in the studio. 951 01:03:12,759 --> 01:03:14,509 Michael was very disillusioned. 952 01:03:15,136 --> 01:03:17,637 He wanted to not only write his own material 953 01:03:17,805 --> 01:03:19,598 but produce it as well. 954 01:03:19,682 --> 01:03:20,766 He realised 955 01:03:20,850 --> 01:03:24,519 if he was to reach these goals, he would have to go somewhere else. 956 01:03:26,272 --> 01:03:28,982 Joe Jackson called me and told me 957 01:03:29,108 --> 01:03:30,692 that they were looking for a place to go. 958 01:03:30,818 --> 01:03:31,860 Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff 959 01:03:31,944 --> 01:03:33,195 PRODUCERS & SONGWRITERS, PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS 960 01:03:33,321 --> 01:03:34,529 And of course, Huff and myself, 961 01:03:34,614 --> 01:03:37,491 we tried to get them for Philly International Records. 962 01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:39,701 But at the same time, CBS 963 01:03:39,994 --> 01:03:42,662 was negotiating with them also. 964 01:03:42,872 --> 01:03:44,956 I wanted to know if there was a shot, a chance, 965 01:03:45,041 --> 01:03:46,541 Ron Alexenburg SNR. VICE PRESIDENT CBS & EPIC RECORDS 966 01:03:46,626 --> 01:03:50,045 of being able to get involved. And I was told there was. 967 01:03:51,297 --> 01:03:54,549 The next is, we sat down and we started to negotiate. 968 01:03:55,301 --> 01:03:57,385 They wanted a million dollars. 969 01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:59,971 And I figured, "Okay, that's all I could approve up to." 970 01:04:00,056 --> 01:04:01,473 That was my approval level. 971 01:04:02,058 --> 01:04:03,558 I had to go through the ranks 972 01:04:03,684 --> 01:04:07,312 and ll said, "We have a chance of signing the Jackson 5" 973 01:04:07,396 --> 01:04:09,397 and they said, "They're done." 974 01:04:09,524 --> 01:04:10,816 I said, "No, I'm sorry. 975 01:04:11,025 --> 01:04:13,652 "I believe in them, I believe that there's a big future, 976 01:04:13,736 --> 01:04:15,237 "I believe that Michael Jackson 977 01:04:15,905 --> 01:04:18,824 "could be one of the biggest stars ever." 978 01:04:20,576 --> 01:04:21,701 That took care of that. 979 01:04:21,869 --> 01:04:25,580 I was handed the letter and they said, "There's your deal memo, go sign them." 980 01:04:25,998 --> 01:04:27,332 In order to move on and progress, 981 01:04:27,416 --> 01:04:28,500 Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER 982 01:04:28,584 --> 01:04:30,168 Joseph said he had to do it 983 01:04:30,253 --> 01:04:34,256 because he wanted the children to get credit for their writings and all of that, 984 01:04:34,340 --> 01:04:36,174 and they couldn't do that at Motown. 985 01:04:36,259 --> 01:04:39,761 CBS offered them movies, they offered them a TV show, 986 01:04:39,887 --> 01:04:41,388 cartoons and everything. 987 01:04:41,848 --> 01:04:45,559 And of course Gamble and Huff, you know, we couldn't offer them all those things. 988 01:04:46,352 --> 01:04:49,354 So they decided to go with CBS. 989 01:04:49,605 --> 01:04:52,023 Probably the most important signing of my career. 990 01:04:54,026 --> 01:04:57,737 The Jackson 5 Left Motown Records and went to CBS. 991 01:04:57,905 --> 01:05:00,949 Jermaine stayed behind because he was married to Hazel 992 01:05:01,284 --> 01:05:03,577 and Hazel was Berry Gordy's daughter. 993 01:05:05,121 --> 01:05:08,123 When my boys left Jermaine back at Motown, 994 01:05:09,125 --> 01:05:11,793 it hurt, because Jermaine wouldn't come. 995 01:05:11,878 --> 01:05:14,713 I don't know if it was upset or angry or whatever or disappointment or whatever, 996 01:05:14,797 --> 01:05:15,881 Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER 997 01:05:15,965 --> 01:05:19,426 it just was a sad time, that's all. That's the word. It was sad. 998 01:05:20,136 --> 01:05:24,139 Jermaine felt that he owed his allegiance to Berry 999 01:05:24,307 --> 01:05:27,142 "cause Berry was the one that gave us our start." 1000 01:05:27,894 --> 01:05:29,644 And I felt the same way. 1001 01:05:30,313 --> 01:05:33,982 Berry Gordy maintained the name "Jackson 5" 1002 01:05:34,066 --> 01:05:35,483 and they really thought that maybe 1003 01:05:35,651 --> 01:05:39,404 it wasn't fair that Berry got to keep the name "Jackson 5," 1004 01:05:39,488 --> 01:05:41,990 so they went to CBS as the Jacksons. 1005 01:05:43,826 --> 01:05:49,831 I was not prepared for the rubbish that would come my way. 1006 01:05:49,957 --> 01:05:52,751 It was this fear, I guess, 1007 01:05:52,835 --> 01:05:57,255 that what the supposed "lily white" company 1008 01:05:57,340 --> 01:06:00,300 was gonna do to this black family. 1009 01:06:01,761 --> 01:06:04,679 I received phone calls, I received threats. 1010 01:06:05,348 --> 01:06:08,850 There was a lot of prejudice in the business. 1011 01:06:08,976 --> 01:06:15,941 Black records usually had to cross over from being R&B to pop stations. 1012 01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:19,611 Very rarely did a pop station just go on a black record. 1013 01:06:19,695 --> 01:06:23,698 It's the most ridiculous thing in the world when you think of it now 1014 01:06:23,783 --> 01:06:26,034 because it's not like that any more. 1015 01:06:26,118 --> 01:06:28,787 But it sure was in the '60s and '70s. 1016 01:06:29,121 --> 01:06:30,705 Music business was segregated 1017 01:06:30,790 --> 01:06:33,833 and even though the Jackson 5 had crossed over, 1018 01:06:34,543 --> 01:06:37,212 there was just always this thing that was going on 1019 01:06:37,296 --> 01:06:38,630 that there was a difference 1020 01:06:38,714 --> 01:06:41,383 between R&B and pop. 1021 01:06:41,884 --> 01:06:44,970 Forget the colour, listen to the music. 1022 01:06:45,054 --> 01:06:48,181 Does the music excite your audience? Yes. Play it. 1023 01:06:57,149 --> 01:07:00,318 Ron Alexenburg called us and asked us 1024 01:07:00,903 --> 01:07:02,654 if we would produce them. 1025 01:07:02,822 --> 01:07:04,990 I wanted to go to proven winners 1026 01:07:05,074 --> 01:07:08,410 and that's why I picked up the phone and called Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff 1027 01:07:08,744 --> 01:07:11,746 and it was only at that time that I found out that they were also 1028 01:07:12,206 --> 01:07:14,165 trying to sign the Jacksons and I said, 1029 01:07:14,250 --> 01:07:17,252 "Well, pretend that you signed them but they're gonna be on Epic Records 1030 01:07:17,378 --> 01:07:19,170 "and please produce them for me." 1031 01:07:22,383 --> 01:07:23,425 That transition 1032 01:07:23,592 --> 01:07:26,094 was a trying time, because 1033 01:07:26,220 --> 01:07:28,847 they had a lot of emotional things going on with them 1034 01:07:28,931 --> 01:07:33,893 because this was the first time that Jermaine was not recording with them. 1035 01:07:34,145 --> 01:07:35,186 When Jermaine left, 1036 01:07:35,354 --> 01:07:38,106 Randy came into the group 1037 01:07:38,190 --> 01:07:44,404 and Joe had been preparing Randy, for a long time, to become a member. 1038 01:07:44,947 --> 01:07:47,699 And he fit in like a glove. 1039 01:07:48,451 --> 01:07:50,326 This here gentleman is Randy Jackson, 1040 01:07:50,411 --> 01:07:51,453 The Jacksons PHILADELPHIA INT. STUDIO 1977 1041 01:07:51,537 --> 01:07:55,123 and he happens to be the youngest and the ugliest member of the Jackson 5. 1042 01:07:55,207 --> 01:07:57,917 Now what's the excuse for you, so ugly? 1043 01:07:59,170 --> 01:08:01,880 "Cause I take after my big brother, Tito." 1044 01:08:02,048 --> 01:08:06,092 As soon as we found a recording date for an artist, 1045 01:08:06,177 --> 01:08:08,344 we would start writing for them 1046 01:08:08,429 --> 01:08:11,222 and not only would Gamble and Huff write for them, 1047 01:08:11,307 --> 01:08:13,558 but we had McFadden and Whitehead who wrote for them. 1048 01:08:13,851 --> 01:08:17,604 - All of our writers, all of our staff... - Dexter, Cynthia Biggs... 1049 01:08:17,688 --> 01:08:19,856 They would know that the Jacksons were coming in. 1050 01:08:21,859 --> 01:08:24,903 Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff instructed me 1051 01:08:25,112 --> 01:08:26,738 to write a number one for them 1052 01:08:26,822 --> 01:08:30,366 to see if I could come up with any material that they liked, 1053 01:08:30,451 --> 01:08:31,534 Dexter Wansel PRODUCER & SONGWRITER 1054 01:08:31,619 --> 01:08:35,580 meaning the Jacksons, and that Gamble and Huff could approve. 1055 01:08:35,956 --> 01:08:38,166 And so, we would have prepared for them 1056 01:08:39,085 --> 01:08:41,461 maybe 200 songs when they walked in the door. 1057 01:08:41,545 --> 01:08:46,007 And then we'd take those 200 songs and we'd cut them down to maybe, like, 12. 1058 01:08:46,467 --> 01:08:48,968 The Jacksons themselves were 1059 01:08:49,053 --> 01:08:52,222 interested in moving on with their career. 1060 01:08:52,348 --> 01:08:54,682 They wanted to write, they wanted to produce. 1061 01:08:55,017 --> 01:08:57,644 So Huff and I, we helped them produce. 1062 01:08:57,728 --> 01:09:00,480 Tito was excellent, "cause he's a great guitar player. 1063 01:09:00,564 --> 01:09:06,027 Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff was very warm, nice people. 1064 01:09:06,112 --> 01:09:07,403 They had a lot of soul, 1065 01:09:07,947 --> 01:09:09,656 we had a lot in common with the music. 1066 01:09:09,740 --> 01:09:11,116 When I cut their tracks, 1067 01:09:11,242 --> 01:09:13,952 I always included Tito 1068 01:09:14,161 --> 01:09:15,578 in the rhythm section. 1069 01:09:15,663 --> 01:09:20,208 And he told me Motown would not let him play on their tracks, 1070 01:09:20,417 --> 01:09:22,168 but he played on every one of mine. 1071 01:09:23,921 --> 01:09:28,174 Our studio was running 24 hours a day, so it was like a machine. 1072 01:09:28,509 --> 01:09:29,551 Sometimes, 1073 01:09:29,677 --> 01:09:33,263 we might wanna work until the wee hours 1074 01:09:33,556 --> 01:09:34,639 of the morning. 1075 01:09:34,723 --> 01:09:38,685 Depends on how strong your creative juices is flowing 1076 01:09:38,853 --> 01:09:40,353 at that moment. 1077 01:09:40,437 --> 01:09:43,231 And the Jacksons were used to curfews. 1078 01:09:44,108 --> 01:09:46,901 But that changed in Philly. 1079 01:09:46,986 --> 01:09:49,404 Well, they were older, they were teenagers then. 1080 01:09:49,488 --> 01:09:52,907 But they were still trying to induce that old system, 1081 01:09:52,992 --> 01:09:55,785 and Michael rebelled against it. 1082 01:09:56,579 --> 01:09:59,706 Because Michael wanted to hang out 1083 01:10:00,499 --> 01:10:03,960 into the wee hours of the morning, so... And that's what he did. 1084 01:10:04,253 --> 01:10:07,255 Michael loved his time with Gamble and Huff. 1085 01:10:07,339 --> 01:10:10,133 He really appreciated working with two geniuses 1086 01:10:10,217 --> 01:10:12,427 who wrote so many classic songs. 1087 01:10:12,511 --> 01:10:17,307 Can you tell us, what made you want to sing in the first place? 1088 01:10:17,391 --> 01:10:18,683 - I don't know. - You don't know? 1089 01:10:18,767 --> 01:10:21,895 Well, you know how that goes with children. They just don't know, do they? 1090 01:10:22,104 --> 01:10:24,981 Michael, at that time, was always shy 1091 01:10:25,107 --> 01:10:26,816 and really reserved. 1092 01:10:26,901 --> 01:10:29,611 We would say, "I wanna go get something to eat," or "Let's do this." 1093 01:10:30,029 --> 01:10:32,447 And he would go, "Okay." 1094 01:10:32,698 --> 01:10:33,990 And he was very humble. 1095 01:10:34,074 --> 01:10:36,618 And I think he was pretty humble through his life. 1096 01:10:36,702 --> 01:10:40,079 - What's your name? - Christopher Wansel. 1097 01:10:41,498 --> 01:10:44,042 I was young when that video was made, I was, like, one or two years old. 1098 01:10:44,126 --> 01:10:45,168 Christopher Wansel JACKSON FRIEND 1099 01:10:45,252 --> 01:10:47,212 The relationship with the Jacksons started there 1100 01:10:47,296 --> 01:10:48,546 and it continued throughout life. 1101 01:10:48,839 --> 01:10:49,881 Can you sing? 1102 01:10:51,926 --> 01:10:56,137 He can't dance? I wanna see his dance. 1103 01:10:56,222 --> 01:10:59,140 - Come on, man! - You don't have to. 1104 01:11:00,226 --> 01:11:02,894 I remember a lot of just, 1105 01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:05,980 I guess, excitement and just joy with those guys at that point, you know, 1106 01:11:06,065 --> 01:11:09,400 "cause a lot of people that would record would be serious," 1107 01:11:09,485 --> 01:11:11,194 you wouldn't get a smile or anything, 1108 01:11:11,278 --> 01:11:13,196 but these guys were constantly joking left and right. 1109 01:11:13,489 --> 01:11:15,031 What do you do, booger? 1110 01:11:16,867 --> 01:11:18,785 Well, other than being "the Bishop of Soul" 1111 01:11:18,869 --> 01:11:21,162 I'm also "the Monk of Funk" and "the High Priest of Rock" 1112 01:11:21,247 --> 01:11:23,206 and "the Bishop of Soul." 1113 01:11:23,415 --> 01:11:25,083 All right! Who said that? 1114 01:11:25,918 --> 01:11:28,461 I met Michael Jackson when he first came to Philly 1115 01:11:28,545 --> 01:11:29,587 Billy Paul ARTIST, PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS 1116 01:11:29,797 --> 01:11:31,673 back in, I think, it was 1974. 1117 01:11:32,007 --> 01:11:35,843 He was a very shy, young kid, you know. 1118 01:11:35,928 --> 01:11:38,304 And he was very excited to meet me, you know, 1119 01:11:38,389 --> 01:11:41,891 "cause he... Mrs Jones... It was at the height of Mrs Jones." 1120 01:11:42,434 --> 01:11:46,020 I welcomed him to the studio and told him he was gonna enjoy it 1121 01:11:47,273 --> 01:11:50,191 and I'd do a good job, you know, and he just laughed. 1122 01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,569 Michael's voice had changed, obviously, 1123 01:11:53,654 --> 01:11:54,696 from the little boy 1124 01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:58,116 that could hit all those high, piercing, I'll Be There notes 1125 01:11:58,367 --> 01:12:00,535 to a rawer sound. 1126 01:12:00,619 --> 01:12:02,287 But he was a great singer because 1127 01:12:02,413 --> 01:12:05,456 he studied the great singers, he wanted to sing like them. 1128 01:12:05,791 --> 01:12:08,835 He knew what he wanted to do with his voice, 1129 01:12:08,919 --> 01:12:12,714 like over-dubbing his voice and doubling his voice 1130 01:12:12,798 --> 01:12:15,466 and speeding up one voice and this one... 1131 01:12:15,551 --> 01:12:19,721 These are things that he was telling me, you know. We're the producers. 1132 01:12:19,805 --> 01:12:22,932 He would say, "Gamble, can I try this? Can I try that?" 1133 01:12:23,017 --> 01:12:25,018 I said, "Yeah, try anything you want." 1134 01:12:26,270 --> 01:12:28,313 - We let him express himself. - Yeah. 1135 01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:29,480 You know, he was in there 1136 01:12:29,898 --> 01:12:33,109 through the mixes, he was around me and Huff all the time. 1137 01:12:33,444 --> 01:12:37,572 I remember when they were working with Gamble and Huff in Philadelphia, 1138 01:12:37,656 --> 01:12:41,367 and I liked their sound and I liked what they did and they helped them out a lot. 1139 01:12:41,452 --> 01:12:45,038 And that's when the boys first start writing, too. 1140 01:12:47,416 --> 01:12:50,668 Their first record produced by Gamble and Huff, 1141 01:12:50,753 --> 01:12:51,878 even though it went gold, 1142 01:12:52,254 --> 01:12:55,381 wasn't a really huge album for them. 1143 01:12:55,466 --> 01:12:58,885 It mid-charted in around the 50s 1144 01:12:59,136 --> 01:13:01,512 and he wanted something that was number one. 1145 01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,934 When they did their second album, Goin' Places, 1146 01:13:07,770 --> 01:13:09,854 the album was really a flop. 1147 01:13:09,938 --> 01:13:11,147 He was used to selling 1148 01:13:11,273 --> 01:13:14,484 a million or so albums on Motown. 1149 01:13:14,735 --> 01:13:17,153 And he really, in no disrespect to them, 1150 01:13:17,488 --> 01:13:22,992 wanted to produce and write all his own material. 1151 01:13:23,077 --> 01:13:24,786 He wanted to be in charge. 1152 01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:30,458 Released in 1978 "Destiny" was the first album produced by the Jacksons. 1153 01:13:30,542 --> 01:13:33,378 When I first heard Destiny, 1154 01:13:33,462 --> 01:13:35,963 I liked it very much. I was very proud of them. 1155 01:13:36,090 --> 01:13:37,673 I thought they did a real good job. 1156 01:13:40,177 --> 01:13:44,847 The album re-established The Jacksons as a top selling group. 1157 01:13:50,062 --> 01:13:53,022 He kept reaching for higher plateaus 1158 01:13:53,315 --> 01:13:55,358 and he felt, maybe, that if the group... 1159 01:13:55,484 --> 01:13:56,567 Dennis Edwards LEAD SINGER,"THE TEMPTATIONS" 1160 01:13:56,652 --> 01:13:59,612 Where he wanted to go, they probably couldn't go with him. 1161 01:13:59,863 --> 01:14:04,826 Michael was beginning to think of himself as a solo artist 1162 01:14:04,910 --> 01:14:08,579 and I always wondered what would happen to the brothers 1163 01:14:08,664 --> 01:14:10,081 if Michael left the group. 1164 01:14:10,165 --> 01:14:14,085 Without Michael Jackson, that was gonna be a tough road for the Jacksons. 1165 01:14:14,169 --> 01:14:15,211 And I also believed 1166 01:14:15,295 --> 01:14:18,256 that that's one of the reasons why Michael put it off for as long as he could. 1167 01:14:18,590 --> 01:14:19,674 Yeah, I figured he'd go solo. 1168 01:14:19,758 --> 01:14:20,967 Jimmy Ruffin ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 1169 01:14:21,051 --> 01:14:24,554 He was too good. He couldn't carry his brothers forever. 1170 01:14:27,057 --> 01:14:28,599 One of the lawyers called me in 1171 01:14:28,934 --> 01:14:31,060 and he told me to tell the boys to save their money 1172 01:14:31,145 --> 01:14:33,354 because Michael is gonna go solo. 1173 01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:35,231 I said, "He can't do that." 1174 01:14:35,315 --> 01:14:37,400 And he said, "Well, he don't need his brothers." 1175 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,153 I said, "They need one another." 1176 01:14:40,779 --> 01:14:44,115 Joseph just felt that what was really important 1177 01:14:44,199 --> 01:14:46,993 wasn't the individual success of the group 1178 01:14:47,327 --> 01:14:52,248 but it was the group itself and it was the family itself. 1179 01:14:52,332 --> 01:14:57,670 And that's easy to say when you're not the lead singer of the group. 1180 01:14:58,297 --> 01:15:02,467 I saw Michael leaving his father as a positive, 1181 01:15:02,551 --> 01:15:05,678 no longer persecuting him, abusing him 1182 01:15:05,971 --> 01:15:10,266 or saying things to him that were ugly. 1183 01:15:10,350 --> 01:15:13,936 He seemed to only be getting it from one source, his father. 1184 01:15:14,146 --> 01:15:16,981 Michael never felt comfortable with Joe as his manager, 1185 01:15:17,065 --> 01:15:18,441 "cause he was afraid of him." 1186 01:15:18,525 --> 01:15:21,652 And when you're afraid of somebody, you don't wanna be around them. 1187 01:15:21,904 --> 01:15:24,655 That was his destiny, to be by himself. 1188 01:15:24,740 --> 01:15:27,033 His confidence level was really high 1189 01:15:27,117 --> 01:15:30,328 and when he made the transition from us to Quincy, 1190 01:15:30,412 --> 01:15:31,454 he was ready. 1191 01:15:36,084 --> 01:15:38,794 Michael really admired Quincy Jones. 1192 01:15:39,671 --> 01:15:40,838 Because 1193 01:15:41,131 --> 01:15:43,090 Quincy had produced Frank Sinatra, 1194 01:15:45,385 --> 01:15:46,427 Ella Fitzgerald, 1195 01:15:48,305 --> 01:15:49,388 Dinah Washington, 1196 01:15:50,724 --> 01:15:56,354 And so many other acts during his very illustrious career. 1197 01:15:58,315 --> 01:16:01,526 When he was about to do Off The Wall, he went to him, 1198 01:16:02,277 --> 01:16:04,195 asking for suggestions 1199 01:16:04,696 --> 01:16:08,783 of people that might be interested in working with him. 1200 01:16:08,867 --> 01:16:14,121 And the story goes that Quincy Jones said, "I'm available," and he said, 1201 01:16:14,748 --> 01:16:16,666 "I would love to work with you." 1202 01:16:17,876 --> 01:16:21,546 I was in the studio for the Off The Wall sessions, 1203 01:16:21,755 --> 01:16:26,217 and so, I was able to actually watch Michael and Quincy work together. 1204 01:16:26,301 --> 01:16:31,889 And Michael really thought of Quincy as sort of the father that he hoped 1205 01:16:32,182 --> 01:16:34,267 Joseph could have been for him. 1206 01:16:34,351 --> 01:16:37,144 One of the things that Michael told me he loved about Working With Quincy 1207 01:16:37,229 --> 01:16:41,107 Was that Quincy thought Michael's ideas were good ideas. 1208 01:16:41,942 --> 01:16:44,402 And if you listen to some of the demos, 1209 01:16:44,528 --> 01:16:48,239 those songs were complete When Michael brought them to Quincy. 1210 01:16:48,323 --> 01:16:49,991 I mean, you could have just put them out. 1211 01:16:50,409 --> 01:16:53,744 And Quincy appreciated the fact that Michael had this amazing ability. 1212 01:16:53,996 --> 01:16:55,454 There was a lot of respect there. 1213 01:16:56,331 --> 01:16:59,667 Quincy Jones has always been smart about merging what he has to offer 1214 01:16:59,918 --> 01:17:01,127 with what the artist has to offer 1215 01:17:01,211 --> 01:17:03,004 and I think that's probably one of Quincy's greatest gifts. 1216 01:17:03,088 --> 01:17:04,130 Peabo Bryson SINGER 1217 01:17:04,214 --> 01:17:06,507 And he certainly did that with Michael in abundance. 1218 01:17:07,968 --> 01:17:10,970 I will never forget when he brought Off The Wall over to my house 1219 01:17:11,179 --> 01:17:14,265 to play it for me. 1220 01:17:14,349 --> 01:17:20,688 It just jumped right out of the record player. 1221 01:17:20,772 --> 01:17:26,694 It was the most unbelievable album 1222 01:17:26,778 --> 01:17:28,279 I'd ever heard to that date. 1223 01:17:28,363 --> 01:17:30,656 To me, that's one of the greatest albums I've ever heard in my life. 1224 01:17:30,741 --> 01:17:32,158 Russell Thompkins, Jr. LEAD SINGER,"THE STYLISTICS" 1225 01:17:32,242 --> 01:17:33,284 When the musicians that I know, 1226 01:17:33,368 --> 01:17:37,913 and we all sit around and we listen to the arrangements, 1227 01:17:38,373 --> 01:17:41,959 and the production that was done on that album, the things that Quincy Jones did, 1228 01:17:42,169 --> 01:17:43,294 was fantastic. 1229 01:17:43,420 --> 01:17:45,963 Quincy Jones had horn players playing such fantastic licks 1230 01:17:46,048 --> 01:17:47,131 Martha Reeves ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 1231 01:17:47,215 --> 01:17:51,093 and had drummers and percussions that Michael had to dance to, 1232 01:17:51,178 --> 01:17:54,055 and that only made him even the more exciting. 1233 01:17:54,473 --> 01:17:57,683 Quincy was a great arranger, 1234 01:17:57,768 --> 01:18:02,480 Michael was a great singer, and also had a great foresight 1235 01:18:02,564 --> 01:18:04,857 and it just was a marriage made in heaven. 1236 01:18:06,318 --> 01:18:07,526 I had the pleasure 1237 01:18:07,611 --> 01:18:09,403 of coming up in the same era and watching him 1238 01:18:09,488 --> 01:18:10,529 Eddie Floyd SINGER & SONGWRITER, STAX RECORDS 1239 01:18:10,614 --> 01:18:13,366 and once he got with Michael... Wow... 1240 01:18:13,575 --> 01:18:15,242 History speaks for itself. 1241 01:18:16,370 --> 01:18:17,495 There was just no way 1242 01:18:17,871 --> 01:18:19,705 that these songs weren't going to be big hits. 1243 01:18:21,958 --> 01:18:24,752 An album would have two very good songs on it 1244 01:18:25,170 --> 01:18:29,131 that they know is gonna be hits, and then they throw anything on an album, 1245 01:18:29,299 --> 01:18:30,633 to fill it out. 1246 01:18:30,717 --> 01:18:34,679 And he said, "Mother, I don't believe in that. I think every song should be a hit." 1247 01:18:34,846 --> 01:18:37,973 And so, he just put good songs out there and gave the people 1248 01:18:38,058 --> 01:18:39,517 good product. 1249 01:18:42,688 --> 01:18:45,981 Actually, it made me start dancing again 1250 01:18:46,066 --> 01:18:47,108 when I went out, 1251 01:18:47,192 --> 01:18:50,945 "cause I was one of those "I don't wanna sweat" guys. 1252 01:18:51,029 --> 01:18:53,739 When Off The Wall was on, you had to hit the dance floor. 1253 01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:55,449 It was just absolutely astounding 1254 01:18:55,534 --> 01:18:57,993 and then he just kept getting better and better. 1255 01:18:58,078 --> 01:18:59,120 Abdul "Duke" Fakir ARTIST,"THE FOUR TOPS" 1256 01:19:00,580 --> 01:19:03,791 Such a God-given talent, so precious. 1257 01:19:05,252 --> 01:19:08,295 When he recorded Thriller, Michael was very excited 1258 01:19:08,422 --> 01:19:09,463 and he said that he thought 1259 01:19:09,589 --> 01:19:12,550 this was going to sell hundreds and hundreds of millions of copies. 1260 01:19:13,009 --> 01:19:16,429 Quincy kept telling Michael, "You know what? Maybe five million. 1261 01:19:17,597 --> 01:19:19,640 "I mean, if we do 10 million, it's gonna be huge, 1262 01:19:19,725 --> 01:19:21,183 "but, you know, don't get your hopes up." 1263 01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,228 He was never pleased with what he accomplished. 1264 01:19:24,312 --> 01:19:27,314 He always wanted to accomplish the impossible. 1265 01:19:28,150 --> 01:19:32,987 Michael felt that Quincy should have been on his team 1266 01:19:33,572 --> 01:19:35,197 with 100 million. 1267 01:19:35,282 --> 01:19:37,366 And he told his attorney, 1268 01:19:37,617 --> 01:19:40,661 "Thriller's not coming out. Quincy doesn't believe in it. 1269 01:19:40,954 --> 01:19:43,080 "Cancel. The thing's not coming out," right? 1270 01:19:43,999 --> 01:19:46,417 So, Michael had a conversation with Walter Yetnikoff, 1271 01:19:46,501 --> 01:19:48,586 Who was running CBS at that time. 1272 01:19:48,670 --> 01:19:53,048 And Walter Yetnikoff told Michael, "Look, who cares what these guys think. 1273 01:19:53,133 --> 01:19:57,011 "It's not about what their impression is of this music, 1274 01:19:57,095 --> 01:19:59,054 "it's what you believe to be the case. 1275 01:19:59,139 --> 01:20:01,056 "And if you believe this is going to sell 100 million copies, 1276 01:20:01,141 --> 01:20:02,183 "guess what, Michael? 1277 01:20:02,309 --> 01:20:03,517 "I'm with you. 1278 01:20:03,602 --> 01:20:07,521 "Let this thing come out. Don't mess with this. Just let it come out." 1279 01:20:07,647 --> 01:20:08,689 And then Michael did. 1280 01:20:09,024 --> 01:20:10,483 But it could have gone either way. 1281 01:20:10,692 --> 01:20:16,530 We were averaging a million units a week, which no other record had done. 1282 01:20:16,615 --> 01:20:17,656 Frank Dileo JACKSON'S MANAGER 1984-89, 2009 1283 01:20:20,994 --> 01:20:26,248 Michael Jackson, that year with Thriller, saved the record business. 1284 01:20:26,333 --> 01:20:28,459 Tower Records was going out of business, 1285 01:20:28,710 --> 01:20:34,882 CBS itself had had two black Fridays where they laid off, like, a thousand people, 1286 01:20:34,966 --> 01:20:39,845 other companies were laying off people. Everybody was losing their job. 1287 01:20:39,930 --> 01:20:41,889 But Thriller was so big, 1288 01:20:42,682 --> 01:20:47,520 it brought millions of people into the stores 1289 01:20:47,979 --> 01:20:51,690 and they not only bought Thriller, they bought other product. 1290 01:20:51,900 --> 01:20:56,195 It was the music that will probably influence contemporary artists 1291 01:20:56,279 --> 01:20:58,823 for a long, long time to come. 1292 01:20:58,907 --> 01:21:03,369 It gave us a... 1293 01:21:03,453 --> 01:21:06,997 A goal, a bull's-eye or a dream to get to, 1294 01:21:07,290 --> 01:21:08,791 something to aspire to. 1295 01:21:09,543 --> 01:21:12,795 After Michael made Off The Wall, and then Thriller, 1296 01:21:13,296 --> 01:21:18,217 I knew then that it was like shooting a rocket up to the moon. 1297 01:21:21,888 --> 01:21:23,264 Were you aware of the sales? 1298 01:21:23,598 --> 01:21:26,433 I pretty much did the album and just sat back and watched. 1299 01:21:27,435 --> 01:21:28,686 He saw where he wanted to go 1300 01:21:28,770 --> 01:21:29,812 Freda Payne SINGER 1301 01:21:29,938 --> 01:21:31,063 and he went there. 1302 01:21:31,398 --> 01:21:32,481 And nobody could stop him. 1303 01:21:36,778 --> 01:21:38,737 He went to a level 1304 01:21:38,989 --> 01:21:41,031 that only the very great have obtained. 1305 01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,288 He wanted to be the best and he was the best. 1306 01:21:52,002 --> 01:21:54,628 God took that little man and he says, 1307 01:21:55,005 --> 01:21:57,381 "Okay now, you take over the music world." 1308 01:21:57,465 --> 01:21:58,507 Bobby Taylor ARTIST, GORDY & MOTOWN RECORDS 1309 01:21:58,675 --> 01:21:59,967 "It now belongs to you." 1310 01:22:02,637 --> 01:22:04,763 What made him so special 1311 01:22:05,181 --> 01:22:06,891 is that he was held back 1312 01:22:07,475 --> 01:22:08,767 for so long 1313 01:22:08,852 --> 01:22:11,812 that when he was finally released, all of it came out. 1314 01:22:13,231 --> 01:22:15,316 He just lit the stage on fire. 1315 01:22:15,734 --> 01:22:18,944 He stole the show from everybody, including the Jackson 5. 1316 01:22:19,029 --> 01:22:20,070 Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER 1317 01:22:21,573 --> 01:22:23,282 Michael was into his fans. 1318 01:22:23,909 --> 01:22:26,660 To make all these people that happy, it charged him up, it really did. 1319 01:22:26,745 --> 01:22:27,953 Ronnie Rancifer KEYBOARDIST,"JACKSON 5" 1967-77 1320 01:22:30,498 --> 01:22:34,126 My fondest memory is the Motown 25. 1321 01:22:34,210 --> 01:22:36,337 Yeah. We were on that show, 1322 01:22:36,421 --> 01:22:37,463 - and he premiered the moonwalk. Wow. - That was something. 1323 01:22:37,547 --> 01:22:38,589 Valerie Simpson & Nickolas Ashford, 1324 01:22:38,673 --> 01:22:39,715 SINGERS & SONGWRITERS, "ASHFORD & SIMPSON" 1325 01:22:43,595 --> 01:22:44,637 Michael called me 1326 01:22:45,138 --> 01:22:48,015 when he got home from doing Motown 25, 1327 01:22:48,099 --> 01:22:49,558 and said, "I've just given the greatest performance of my life." 1328 01:22:49,643 --> 01:22:50,684 David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND 1329 01:22:55,231 --> 01:22:57,858 How excited we all were for him, 1330 01:22:58,234 --> 01:23:01,070 it was like, "I guess I've arrived," you know? 1331 01:23:01,154 --> 01:23:03,614 Dionne Warwick SINGER 1332 01:23:03,740 --> 01:23:06,575 With an armful of Grammys. It was wonderful. 1333 01:23:07,494 --> 01:23:10,621 In 1984 Michael won an unprecedented 8 Grammys for"Thriller'. 1334 01:23:14,668 --> 01:23:18,128 "Thriller" became the best selling album of all time with sales exceeding 110 million. 1335 01:23:19,631 --> 01:23:20,673 Michael! 1336 01:23:22,133 --> 01:23:25,469 During the eighties Michael had more number 1 hits than any other artist. 1337 01:23:30,850 --> 01:23:32,476 Michael Jackson is 1338 01:23:32,686 --> 01:23:36,021 one of the greatest artists of all time, 1339 01:23:36,106 --> 01:23:40,651 who transcended being labeled black, white, red, yellow, 1340 01:23:40,735 --> 01:23:45,072 it didn't matter, he appealed to everybody, everywhere. 1341 01:23:45,448 --> 01:23:51,036 I think he came here ready "cause he always wanted to be a superstar. 1342 01:23:51,121 --> 01:23:55,916 He was wearing little rings on his fingers when he was a little man, you know. 1343 01:23:56,543 --> 01:23:58,335 He was very conscious 1344 01:23:58,753 --> 01:24:00,921 of the iconoclastic nature of "Michael Jackson," 1345 01:24:01,006 --> 01:24:02,047 J. Randy Taraborrelli JACKSON FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER 1346 01:24:03,341 --> 01:24:05,634 and what it would mean historically. 1347 01:24:05,969 --> 01:24:07,928 Michael's image was very important to him 1348 01:24:08,054 --> 01:24:10,431 because Fred Astaire and the people that he studied, 1349 01:24:10,849 --> 01:24:13,058 Jackie Wilson, James Brown... 1350 01:24:13,226 --> 01:24:17,271 How are they being revered? Why are they so terrific and what did they do? 1351 01:24:17,355 --> 01:24:18,397 And he was a great student. 1352 01:24:18,481 --> 01:24:19,940 Ron Alexenburg SNR. VICE PRESIDENT CBS & EPIC RECORDS 1353 01:24:20,025 --> 01:24:21,358 It just didn't come upon him, 1354 01:24:21,443 --> 01:24:23,819 he studied his craft, he worked at it. 1355 01:24:24,195 --> 01:24:25,988 He was directing his career, 1356 01:24:26,489 --> 01:24:29,366 he was so street smart 1357 01:24:29,451 --> 01:24:35,664 and he knew how to make a campaign work, and more importantly, how to make it last. 1358 01:24:35,999 --> 01:24:39,835 He believed that the biggest stars left the biggest impression 1359 01:24:39,919 --> 01:24:42,629 and it was bigger than just their art, you know. 1360 01:24:42,714 --> 01:24:45,299 What you thought of instantly 1361 01:24:45,842 --> 01:24:47,676 when you thought of these celebrities 1362 01:24:47,761 --> 01:24:50,512 and with Michael, what you began to think of instantly 1363 01:24:50,597 --> 01:24:53,140 was the fedora hat, it was the one glove. 1364 01:24:53,725 --> 01:24:57,352 On the show that we did together at Madison Square Garden, 1365 01:24:57,437 --> 01:24:59,313 he came out with a suitcase 1366 01:24:59,773 --> 01:25:03,817 and inside was the glove, and he had the hat, 1367 01:25:04,986 --> 01:25:09,073 and he had everything he needed to show them, 1368 01:25:09,157 --> 01:25:12,451 "Nobody does it better than I and these are my trademarks." 1369 01:25:12,911 --> 01:25:16,538 The total package of Michael Jackson became very important, 1370 01:25:16,623 --> 01:25:19,374 especially with the advent of video culture, 1371 01:25:19,542 --> 01:25:21,835 which happened at the exact same time 1372 01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:24,630 that Billie Jean and Beat It were becoming hit records. 1373 01:25:26,299 --> 01:25:31,053 "Billie Jean" was the 1st video by a black artist to receive heavy rotation on MTV. 1374 01:25:34,265 --> 01:25:37,893 Michael never officially left The Jacksons. "Victory" (1984) was their last album together. 1375 01:25:43,441 --> 01:25:48,362 It was an immense pressure to be in the public eye 1376 01:25:48,446 --> 01:25:51,448 and he kept wanting to look better and better. 1377 01:25:51,866 --> 01:25:54,243 He was very, very self-conscious. 1378 01:25:54,369 --> 01:25:57,329 Michael felt under pressure 1379 01:25:57,455 --> 01:26:00,290 where his image was concerned 1380 01:26:00,792 --> 01:26:02,000 because of who he is. 1381 01:26:02,085 --> 01:26:05,879 He was a black guy, he was an inner-city guy. 1382 01:26:05,964 --> 01:26:08,507 How could he be the darling of white society? 1383 01:26:09,217 --> 01:26:10,467 He had to change. 1384 01:26:12,303 --> 01:26:18,475 I think all that was what led to the first plastic surgery, in 1978. 1385 01:26:18,685 --> 01:26:20,853 I went to interview Michael at his home in Encino 1386 01:26:20,937 --> 01:26:23,564 and he showed up at the door with bandages on his face 1387 01:26:23,648 --> 01:26:25,315 and his eyes were black and blue, 1388 01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:27,693 and I thought that he had been in some kind of a fight. 1389 01:26:29,028 --> 01:26:32,865 He explained to me that he had fallen on stage 1390 01:26:33,408 --> 01:26:34,992 and broke his nose. 1391 01:26:35,076 --> 01:26:37,786 This was why he had that first surgery. 1392 01:26:39,998 --> 01:26:43,000 His next major one was in 1981 1393 01:26:43,084 --> 01:26:45,919 and he stayed with me for four weeks. I took care of him. 1394 01:26:46,462 --> 01:26:50,299 I always felt that he looked so good after that second one, 1395 01:26:50,383 --> 01:26:51,717 he never needed to do more. 1396 01:26:52,343 --> 01:26:53,552 And then after that, 1397 01:26:53,636 --> 01:26:55,721 there were all kinds of other things that were going on 1398 01:26:55,805 --> 01:26:58,265 that it was really hard to determine, 1399 01:26:58,933 --> 01:27:01,185 you know, what he was doing and when he was doing it. 1400 01:27:09,194 --> 01:27:11,612 I think he should have stopped before he did, yes. 1401 01:27:11,696 --> 01:27:15,282 Being vulnerable and listening to others, he just kept going. 1402 01:27:15,366 --> 01:27:16,408 Rebbie Jackson MICHAEL'S SISTER 1403 01:27:16,868 --> 01:27:20,621 Steve Hoefflin, I believe, and ll said to Michael, 1404 01:27:20,705 --> 01:27:27,461 did too many operations and made Michael not secure, but insecure. 1405 01:27:27,795 --> 01:27:31,506 One of the ways Steve stayed close to Michael 1406 01:27:31,591 --> 01:27:35,052 was constantly telling him what he needed. 1407 01:27:35,136 --> 01:27:39,556 Steve would probably disagree with that, but I felt 1408 01:27:39,682 --> 01:27:41,725 you just went a bit too far. 1409 01:27:44,395 --> 01:27:46,313 The disease that Michael had, vitiligo, 1410 01:27:46,397 --> 01:27:47,439 Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER 1411 01:27:47,607 --> 01:27:49,816 Michael suffered from it and he... 1412 01:27:50,944 --> 01:27:54,363 He didn't wanna be spotted up and he... 1413 01:27:54,614 --> 01:27:59,451 He went to a skin doctor and had him to get his whole face one colour 1414 01:27:59,744 --> 01:28:04,081 but below, his legs and things were still spotted up 1415 01:28:04,165 --> 01:28:05,249 but he didn't show that part of his body, 1416 01:28:05,333 --> 01:28:06,416 Vitiligo Sufferer 1417 01:28:06,501 --> 01:28:11,755 only parts of his body like his hands and his face and his neck and chest. 1418 01:28:11,839 --> 01:28:16,218 That's the part that he had bleached out so it wouldn't look so bad. 1419 01:28:19,514 --> 01:28:22,224 Some people have their own ideas of what they think it is, 1420 01:28:22,350 --> 01:28:25,102 but I know what it is. 1421 01:28:28,189 --> 01:28:30,440 It always felt unfair to me 1422 01:28:30,525 --> 01:28:32,859 and I think that Michael always felt victimised by it. 1423 01:28:32,944 --> 01:28:34,486 I loved it when Michael said, 1424 01:28:34,570 --> 01:28:37,030 "Plastic surgery was not invented for Michael Jackson. 1425 01:28:38,283 --> 01:28:40,534 "People have been having plastic surgery for years. 1426 01:28:40,618 --> 01:28:42,035 "I'm not the first one to do it. 1427 01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:44,830 "Why am I always the one being picked on about it?" 1428 01:28:44,914 --> 01:28:46,873 And I thought that was a really good point. 1429 01:28:49,544 --> 01:28:53,880 We were doing a Pepsi commercial, the year was 1984. 1430 01:28:54,966 --> 01:28:56,967 And we were just getting ready to go out on the Victory Tour. 1431 01:29:01,806 --> 01:29:05,392 I went to the set the day they were shooting it 1432 01:29:05,476 --> 01:29:09,396 and they had a lot of performances that were great. 1433 01:29:09,564 --> 01:29:12,899 So it was the end of the day, they called for a wrap, 1434 01:29:12,984 --> 01:29:17,946 I said goodbye to him. And I was walking out the door 1435 01:29:18,072 --> 01:29:23,493 when I heard the producer say, "We have to do one more take." 1436 01:29:26,289 --> 01:29:29,499 There was some pyro, and Michael was coming down the steps 1437 01:29:29,584 --> 01:29:32,419 and I think somebody missed their cue. 1438 01:29:36,674 --> 01:29:40,469 One of the flames came and landed on Michael's head, 1439 01:29:40,595 --> 01:29:43,972 which he had hairspray, something like that, and it just... 1440 01:30:02,950 --> 01:30:07,412 After the accident, Michael had to go through a horrific experience 1441 01:30:07,497 --> 01:30:09,289 to repair his scalp. 1442 01:30:09,457 --> 01:30:13,335 It was a form of tissue expansion known as ballooning. 1443 01:30:15,713 --> 01:30:18,090 This procedure is often used on the scalp 1444 01:30:18,174 --> 01:30:20,550 Dr. Michael May FRCS - HAIR TRANSPLANT SPECIALIST, THE WIMPOLE CLINIC 1445 01:30:20,635 --> 01:30:25,806 to treat burns, scarring. 1446 01:30:27,308 --> 01:30:29,309 This is done by the surgeon 1447 01:30:29,394 --> 01:30:34,940 inserting a plastic balloon underneath the skin 1448 01:30:35,024 --> 01:30:40,153 and, over a period of time, increasing the volume of the balloon, 1449 01:30:40,988 --> 01:30:44,241 and therefore, stretching the skin above. 1450 01:30:47,036 --> 01:30:48,703 The surgeons, 1451 01:30:48,871 --> 01:30:50,622 almost like drawing a curtain, 1452 01:30:50,706 --> 01:30:55,168 bring the normal tissue over that area of scalp 1453 01:30:55,837 --> 01:30:58,839 and fill in the scarred area. 1454 01:31:02,343 --> 01:31:04,803 I actually spoke to Dr Steven Hoefflin, 1455 01:31:04,887 --> 01:31:09,558 who did the first ballooning procedure on Michael after the Pepsi incident. 1456 01:31:09,684 --> 01:31:11,393 And he explained to me 1457 01:31:11,519 --> 01:31:16,106 Michael continued to do the ballooning procedure 1458 01:31:16,190 --> 01:31:19,025 with different doctors, throughout his career. 1459 01:31:19,861 --> 01:31:22,154 It was quite painful, you can imagine. 1460 01:31:22,238 --> 01:31:28,285 If a large balloon of saline is placed beneath the skin, 1461 01:31:28,369 --> 01:31:32,414 is blown up to perhaps 1000 cc of fluid, 1462 01:31:32,540 --> 01:31:35,876 it causes quite a large amount of discomfort. 1463 01:31:38,045 --> 01:31:39,880 I think after he got burnt, 1464 01:31:39,964 --> 01:31:43,175 that was the first time he was exposed to strong pain medicine, 1465 01:31:43,259 --> 01:31:46,303 because he did have a lot of pain in that spot for a long time. 1466 01:31:46,637 --> 01:31:51,183 People don't realise that his dependency on pills 1467 01:31:51,267 --> 01:31:54,895 was due to that one accident that changed his life forever. 1468 01:32:02,570 --> 01:32:05,780 I used to give a lot of private parties for Michael 1469 01:32:06,407 --> 01:32:08,074 because he'd wanna meet somebody. 1470 01:32:08,659 --> 01:32:10,744 My neighbour, when I was living in New York, 1471 01:32:10,995 --> 01:32:13,246 was Liam Neeson, 1472 01:32:13,581 --> 01:32:16,416 and he loved Liam Neeson's work in Schindler's List. 1473 01:32:16,834 --> 01:32:20,420 And I invited Liam over 1474 01:32:21,422 --> 01:32:23,089 and some friends of mine. 1475 01:32:23,466 --> 01:32:25,675 You gave him a party, and I remember 1476 01:32:26,093 --> 01:32:27,427 Michael McDonald sang, Gloria Gaynor sang. 1477 01:32:27,595 --> 01:32:28,595 Lamont Dozier SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND 1478 01:32:29,430 --> 01:32:32,891 You and Michael were clowning, he had three bottles of wine, I think, 1479 01:32:32,975 --> 01:32:36,770 and he was having a food fight. 1480 01:32:36,938 --> 01:32:39,356 In the middle of Gloria Gaynor singing, 1481 01:32:40,024 --> 01:32:43,109 Michael threw some jellybeans at me, 1482 01:32:43,361 --> 01:32:45,278 and then he started throwing them in the piano. 1483 01:32:45,947 --> 01:32:49,282 And I remember Gloria Gaynor looking up, like, "What's going on?" 1484 01:32:49,367 --> 01:32:52,452 I said, "He's just a kid at heart." 1485 01:32:54,455 --> 01:32:56,122 We ended up sitting at a table together. 1486 01:32:56,290 --> 01:32:59,167 I got up and I went to talk to some other people away from the table. 1487 01:32:59,293 --> 01:33:00,293 Peabo Bryson SINGER 1488 01:33:00,378 --> 01:33:03,463 When I got back, Michael was in my seat, 1489 01:33:03,798 --> 01:33:06,132 in my date's ear, in her face. 1490 01:33:06,634 --> 01:33:09,511 I tried to wait a while, maybe he was gonna go away soon. 1491 01:33:10,513 --> 01:33:13,890 No, he was so engrossed in the conversation with my date, 1492 01:33:14,308 --> 01:33:15,976 he didn't even notice me coming back. 1493 01:33:16,727 --> 01:33:20,522 "Michael, get your own." 1494 01:33:23,150 --> 01:33:26,027 The first time Michael ever drank in his life 1495 01:33:26,362 --> 01:33:30,574 was at a dinner that I had with Burt Bacharach 1496 01:33:30,825 --> 01:33:35,161 and he drank about a bottle and a half of a vintage wine 1497 01:33:35,496 --> 01:33:36,913 and he loved the taste. 1498 01:33:37,206 --> 01:33:41,543 And I remember we went back to my flat, and when we got out of the car, 1499 01:33:42,336 --> 01:33:45,171 he threw up in the parking lot. 1500 01:33:45,881 --> 01:33:48,508 He threw up in my house, everywhere. 1501 01:33:48,593 --> 01:33:51,511 And I was picking up all this mess, and he said, 1502 01:33:51,679 --> 01:33:56,766 "You know, if I told Joseph, you would be in real hot water. 1503 01:33:56,892 --> 01:34:00,854 "He would be really mad at you." I said, "Don't tell him." 1504 01:34:04,525 --> 01:34:06,276 Not only did we have fun, 1505 01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:10,447 I got to set up a number of collaborations with Michael and other artists. 1506 01:34:12,533 --> 01:34:16,911 Where I actually met him was at a big do for him, 1507 01:34:17,038 --> 01:34:18,038 Petula Clark SINGER & ACTRESS 1508 01:34:18,122 --> 01:34:19,831 and he had asked for me to come along and sing. 1509 01:34:19,915 --> 01:34:22,250 I sang Downtown, of course, inevitably. 1510 01:34:23,294 --> 01:34:26,212 But it seems that he was a great fan. 1511 01:34:26,422 --> 01:34:30,884 Bless his heart, he financed a recording session for me. 1512 01:34:31,469 --> 01:34:34,387 He was a very giving person, Michael. 1513 01:34:35,222 --> 01:34:39,601 And very funny and of course deeply, deeply talented. 1514 01:34:46,651 --> 01:34:50,654 David called me on one given day and said that, "I think there's a possibility 1515 01:34:50,738 --> 01:34:52,489 "that you and Michael should sit down and write together." 1516 01:34:52,573 --> 01:34:53,615 Paul Anka SINGER & SONGWRITER 1517 01:35:01,999 --> 01:35:06,461 Michael and Paul were in the Jacuzzi and came up with This Is It. 1518 01:35:07,254 --> 01:35:11,132 Not many people know that I was responsible for putting them together. 1519 01:35:11,592 --> 01:35:13,510 Unfortunately it evolved, and I don't know if you remember, 1520 01:35:13,594 --> 01:35:16,346 but Michael took the tapes out of the studio in Los Angeles, 1521 01:35:16,430 --> 01:35:18,348 because he didn't want to finish the project. 1522 01:35:18,933 --> 01:35:23,645 He kept them, illegally. We had the same lawyer, unfortunately. 1523 01:35:24,689 --> 01:35:28,316 I fired the lawyer because he couldn't find the contract, all of a sudden. 1524 01:35:28,776 --> 01:35:33,113 So, what really happened was, after Michael, under pressure, returned the tapes, 1525 01:35:33,781 --> 01:35:35,323 he obviously copied them. 1526 01:35:36,117 --> 01:35:39,035 Thus, years later, they went into his home, 1527 01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:43,289 and they found a copy, on a cassette or whatever, 1528 01:35:43,374 --> 01:35:46,042 of my multi-tracks, from my studio, 1529 01:35:47,169 --> 01:35:49,879 which they thought was new, they thought it was a new song. 1530 01:35:50,381 --> 01:35:55,635 What threw them off was when they heard "This is it" as the first line, 1531 01:35:55,970 --> 01:35:58,471 it correlated with the tour that he was gonna do. 1532 01:36:06,147 --> 01:36:10,984 After gathering all of the evidence, I realised that there was an honest mistake made 1533 01:36:11,068 --> 01:36:13,153 and I don't wanna cause any problems. 1534 01:36:13,738 --> 01:36:16,322 So we sat down very quickly, within a few hours, 1535 01:36:16,407 --> 01:36:19,659 and we hammered out a deal, which I think is fair to all of us. 1536 01:36:19,869 --> 01:36:21,828 And that's the story about This Is It. 1537 01:36:25,875 --> 01:36:29,669 In 19900, I was producing the American Cinema Awards, 1538 01:36:29,837 --> 01:36:32,922 which honoured legendary stars of the cinema, 1539 01:36:33,007 --> 01:36:35,425 as well as great musical entertainers. 1540 01:36:35,843 --> 01:36:38,845 And over the years, we'd honoured many great legends. 1541 01:36:39,722 --> 01:36:42,849 There was nobody more qualified to win the award 1542 01:36:43,392 --> 01:36:47,562 for musical Entertainer of the Decade than Michael Jackson. 1543 01:36:47,897 --> 01:36:51,691 Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to express my gratitude 1544 01:36:52,234 --> 01:36:55,111 to those responsible for the American Cinema Awards. 1545 01:36:56,447 --> 01:37:00,533 I thank David Gest. You're just fantastic. Thank you so much. 1546 01:37:03,704 --> 01:37:09,709 And finally, I thank little Christina and Michael. I love you all, goodbye. 1547 01:37:21,722 --> 01:37:26,518 In 1993, Michael Jackson was accused of molestation 1548 01:37:26,602 --> 01:37:28,895 by this kid, whose name was Jordy Chandler, 1549 01:37:29,271 --> 01:37:31,898 and by Jordy's father, whose name was Evan Chandler. 1550 01:37:34,485 --> 01:37:37,612 These people were people that Michael allowed into his life, 1551 01:37:38,072 --> 01:37:39,239 and he befriended them. 1552 01:37:39,782 --> 01:37:46,246 And the next thing we knew, this kid was claiming that Michael had molested him. 1553 01:37:46,622 --> 01:37:51,084 Back in 1993, this was unbelievable to all of us who knew Michael Jackson. 1554 01:37:51,168 --> 01:37:56,214 Because we just really didn't think of Michael in any kind of sexual way. 1555 01:37:56,298 --> 01:37:59,259 He was sort of asexual in our minds at that time. 1556 01:37:59,426 --> 01:38:01,386 If you know Michael, you know his heart. 1557 01:38:01,470 --> 01:38:02,512 Billy Davis, Jr. SINGER, "5th DIMENSION" 1558 01:38:02,596 --> 01:38:09,018 Michael was probably one of the most gentle people that one would ever want to meet. 1559 01:38:09,103 --> 01:38:12,272 Michael always told me he loved children because they were innocent. 1560 01:38:12,773 --> 01:38:14,607 They never wanted anything from him. 1561 01:38:14,817 --> 01:38:18,152 Michael was always so protective of children. 1562 01:38:18,279 --> 01:38:19,279 Marilyn McCoo SINGER, "5th DIMENSION" 1563 01:38:19,363 --> 01:38:22,448 The side that I saw of him, he was such a family-oriented person. 1564 01:38:22,533 --> 01:38:24,450 All of us, growing up, you may know about, 1565 01:38:24,535 --> 01:38:28,288 I mean, we always had a baby in our arms, on our laps, 1566 01:38:28,622 --> 01:38:30,373 and we always gravitate to kids. 1567 01:38:30,541 --> 01:38:35,545 I mean, it's just an innocent thing and that's as far as it would ever go. 1568 01:38:35,796 --> 01:38:37,463 I was sick to my stomach, 1569 01:38:37,548 --> 01:38:40,008 because I knew that Michael wouldn't do a thing like that. 1570 01:38:40,467 --> 01:38:43,011 And I was wondering, why are they lying on him like that? 1571 01:38:43,554 --> 01:38:46,472 And I can imagine how Michael must've felt. 1572 01:38:46,974 --> 01:38:48,975 Michael called me and said, 1573 01:38:49,143 --> 01:38:52,896 "You do something nice and people try to fuck you." 1574 01:38:53,188 --> 01:38:54,856 And that's what he said to me. 1575 01:38:55,399 --> 01:38:57,984 And he was just so hurt. 1576 01:38:58,527 --> 01:39:00,320 And I rarely heard him cuss. 1577 01:39:00,487 --> 01:39:01,654 Michael was on tour 1578 01:39:01,739 --> 01:39:06,242 and they took great care to wait until he go on tour to put this stuff out. 1579 01:39:06,493 --> 01:39:09,913 It did appear to me, and to everybody in the circle, 1580 01:39:10,039 --> 01:39:11,205 and also to Michael, 1581 01:39:11,749 --> 01:39:16,419 that the district attorney, Tom Sneddon, was really after Michael Jackson. 1582 01:39:17,838 --> 01:39:19,505 And he said, "Why would people believe this?" 1583 01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:23,092 And I said, "You know, I'm having a hard time understanding it, too, Michael, 1584 01:39:23,177 --> 01:39:28,222 "but what I think is that for so many years, people have wondered about your sexuality 1585 01:39:28,349 --> 01:39:31,809 "and they've wondered, "Is this guy gay, is this guy straight?" 1586 01:39:31,894 --> 01:39:33,519 "No one really could understand it. 1587 01:39:34,021 --> 01:39:36,856 "And now that this has happened, people feel that they have the answer, 1588 01:39:37,024 --> 01:39:39,192 "and it's something that they've decided to latch on to." 1589 01:39:39,693 --> 01:39:41,569 And he said, "Yes, but it's not true." 1590 01:39:41,862 --> 01:39:45,031 And I said, "Yeah, I know that, but this is what's going on. 1591 01:39:45,115 --> 01:39:47,617 "You know, this is what you are up against." 1592 01:39:47,701 --> 01:39:52,872 And he was devastated by the '93 allegations, there's no doubt about it. 1593 01:39:53,374 --> 01:39:54,457 Freda Payne SINGER 1594 01:39:54,541 --> 01:39:57,251 I felt that somebody was trying to get something out of this 1595 01:39:57,378 --> 01:40:01,881 or they were manipulating a situation. 1596 01:40:02,049 --> 01:40:03,132 Michael was a target. 1597 01:40:03,425 --> 01:40:07,136 Michael had made a lot of money, and unfortunately, in our world, 1598 01:40:07,221 --> 01:40:10,056 we have people out there who would like to get some of your money. 1599 01:40:10,307 --> 01:40:13,935 And they will do almost anything to get it. 1600 01:40:14,144 --> 01:40:17,438 Michael is my brother. I love him a great deal. 1601 01:40:17,564 --> 01:40:18,564 La Toya Jackson Press conference, Israel 1993 1602 01:40:18,649 --> 01:40:23,987 But ll cannot, and ll will not be a silent collaborator of his crimes 1603 01:40:24,321 --> 01:40:26,114 against small, innocent children. 1604 01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:28,992 It was hard for me to believe that she believed that this was true. 1605 01:40:29,493 --> 01:40:33,621 Just because, if you knew La Toya and you knew Michael, they were so close 1606 01:40:34,915 --> 01:40:40,086 that it just seemed unfathomable that La Toya would speak out against her brother. 1607 01:40:40,379 --> 01:40:44,465 I have seen cheques payable to the parents of these children, 1608 01:40:45,718 --> 01:40:49,303 and I don't know if these children were apparently bought, 1609 01:40:50,222 --> 01:40:53,725 the parents, by Michael, or not, but I have seen these cheques. 1610 01:40:54,268 --> 01:40:55,977 And I've seen these cheques through my mother. 1611 01:40:56,103 --> 01:40:59,731 Jack Gordon was the guy's name who basically put her out there 1612 01:40:59,815 --> 01:41:03,109 to do things that was well out of her character. 1613 01:41:03,986 --> 01:41:07,113 I can't really say on television the words for Jack Gordon. 1614 01:41:07,948 --> 01:41:13,494 But he was a man who had no morals and very little class. 1615 01:41:14,580 --> 01:41:17,498 You can come in contact with the wrong people without knowing it 1616 01:41:17,624 --> 01:41:21,669 or people that surround you, they can have a strong influence on you. 1617 01:41:26,759 --> 01:41:29,135 And these kids are gonna be scarred for the rest of their lives, 1618 01:41:29,261 --> 01:41:33,639 and I don't wanna see any more innocent, small children being affected this way. 1619 01:41:33,807 --> 01:41:37,477 I love Michael very dearly but I feel even more sorry for these children 1620 01:41:37,603 --> 01:41:40,104 because they don't have a life any more. They don't. 1621 01:41:40,189 --> 01:41:42,148 I had spoken to him on the phone 1622 01:41:43,650 --> 01:41:46,819 the day after she had said all those things. 1623 01:41:47,362 --> 01:41:51,657 And I have never heard him 1624 01:41:52,659 --> 01:41:56,788 feel so much hate for a person than he did for La Toya. 1625 01:41:57,456 --> 01:42:00,875 I just know that it was something that was very ugly and disheartening, 1626 01:42:01,335 --> 01:42:03,127 and the family didn't like it at all. 1627 01:42:03,337 --> 01:42:05,838 There's certain things you're not gonna get me to do 1628 01:42:06,048 --> 01:42:08,049 for no price, whatsoever, 1629 01:42:09,301 --> 01:42:11,844 when it comes to people I love and care for. 1630 01:42:12,179 --> 01:42:14,472 He was hurt. He was really hurt. 1631 01:42:14,681 --> 01:42:19,602 La Toya Jackson and her husband, boyfriend, I guess, at that time, Jack Gordon, 1632 01:42:19,686 --> 01:42:23,648 and I went to Spain to do a TV show together. 1633 01:42:24,024 --> 01:42:29,237 And it was a crazy TV show, where she was going to be rigged to a lie detector 1634 01:42:29,363 --> 01:42:31,197 and then I was going to ask her questions. 1635 01:42:31,323 --> 01:42:34,492 I can't imagine why she wanted to do this because I totally thought she was lying. 1636 01:42:35,494 --> 01:42:38,788 When Michael gave his speech from Neverland, 1637 01:42:38,872 --> 01:42:42,834 we watched it in the green room backstage at this TV show. 1638 01:42:43,001 --> 01:42:45,503 I ask all of you to wait and hear the truth. 1639 01:42:45,587 --> 01:42:48,172 And I remember seeing it with La Toya thinking, "This is your brother 1640 01:42:48,257 --> 01:42:49,841 "and you're getting ready to go on television 1641 01:42:49,925 --> 01:42:51,300 "and I'm gonna ask you these questions 1642 01:42:51,385 --> 01:42:53,886 "and the lie detector's gonna be swinging like crazy." 1643 01:42:54,054 --> 01:42:56,347 And suddenly, La Toya's price for that interview 1644 01:42:56,515 --> 01:42:59,892 had gone up to, like, $10000,000000 from $100,000000. 1645 01:43:00,394 --> 01:43:03,646 Jack said, "You know, this is now the biggest story in the world, 1646 01:43:03,730 --> 01:43:06,524 "and La Toya is going to be paid appropriately." 1647 01:43:07,067 --> 01:43:09,402 And the show would not pay her that money, 1648 01:43:09,695 --> 01:43:12,405 and so, I ended up getting a free trip to Madrid. 1649 01:43:12,573 --> 01:43:14,657 They served a search warrant on me, 1650 01:43:14,741 --> 01:43:18,744 which allowed them to view and photograph my body, including my penis, 1651 01:43:19,288 --> 01:43:25,251 my buttocks, my lower torso, thighs and any other area that they wanted. 1652 01:43:26,128 --> 01:43:27,712 Michael did talk to me about the strip search. 1653 01:43:28,130 --> 01:43:32,383 Basically, he said it was the most humiliating experience of his life. 1654 01:43:33,093 --> 01:43:35,469 He couldn't believe that it could happen. 1655 01:43:35,888 --> 01:43:42,018 He couldn't imagine that the law provided for such a thing. 1656 01:43:42,102 --> 01:43:46,814 Who would stoop as low as trying to take pictures of a person's genitals, 1657 01:43:47,941 --> 01:43:50,735 and just trying to humiliate him like that? 1658 01:43:51,945 --> 01:43:52,987 That was terrible. 1659 01:43:53,947 --> 01:43:59,285 If that can happen, anything can happen. This man could end up going to jail. 1660 01:43:59,786 --> 01:44:06,626 Because this guy, Tom Sneddon, he is definitely after Michael Jackson. 1661 01:44:08,170 --> 01:44:11,797 And he's got power. He's got the law behind him. 1662 01:44:12,090 --> 01:44:13,257 It was a real wake-up call. 1663 01:44:13,467 --> 01:44:18,471 I remember Michael calling me at 2:00 a.m. in the morning 1664 01:44:19,514 --> 01:44:21,682 and we spoke till 5:00 a.m. 1665 01:44:22,351 --> 01:44:25,937 And he told me he would never, ever settle that case. 1666 01:44:26,146 --> 01:44:28,856 He would never give the guy a dime. I said, "You're right. 1667 01:44:29,441 --> 01:44:34,362 "If you pay him off, people are gonna think you are guilty." 1668 01:44:34,488 --> 01:44:35,988 He said he would never do that. 1669 01:44:36,156 --> 01:44:39,825 Michael was getting some really horrible advice at the time from lawyers, 1670 01:44:39,952 --> 01:44:40,952 Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER 1671 01:44:41,036 --> 01:44:43,496 saying, "Let's just get rid of it, you know. 1672 01:44:43,997 --> 01:44:46,874 "Settle it out and people will forget it and it'll go away." 1673 01:44:47,668 --> 01:44:51,879 The time has come for Michael Jackson to move on to new business, 1674 01:44:52,381 --> 01:44:54,340 to get on with his life, 1675 01:44:54,967 --> 01:44:57,176 to start the healing process 1676 01:44:57,552 --> 01:45:01,055 and to move his career forward to even greater heights. 1677 01:45:01,348 --> 01:45:04,558 When they settled the case by paying off, 1678 01:45:05,394 --> 01:45:08,479 right away the next day, I called Michael, "Why did you do that?" 1679 01:45:09,189 --> 01:45:12,858 And Michael said, "Mother, I didn't do that. I wanted to fight it till the end. 1680 01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:17,363 "But they told me, the lawyers and things told me, 1681 01:45:17,489 --> 01:45:21,242 "Just go on and pay it off and settle it.'" 1682 01:45:22,035 --> 01:45:24,662 He just heard a lot of people making a lot of promises 1683 01:45:24,746 --> 01:45:25,788 Frank Dileo JACKSON MANAGER 1984-89, 2009 1684 01:45:25,872 --> 01:45:27,832 and telling him, "It's no big deal." 1685 01:45:28,041 --> 01:45:31,168 Like, "Pay them the money, it's like a quarter to you." 1686 01:45:31,253 --> 01:45:33,671 The reason they did it was because Michael was out on tour, 1687 01:45:33,755 --> 01:45:36,716 they had accused him of this terrible thing, 1688 01:45:37,092 --> 01:45:41,220 and they didn't want to stop the tour, so they just paid it off. 1689 01:45:42,055 --> 01:45:47,351 It was too late. He got some of the worst advice, probably, in the music business. 1690 01:45:48,228 --> 01:45:50,521 I interviewed Michael right after he made the settlement, 1691 01:45:50,605 --> 01:45:52,690 and I asked him, "Why did you do it? 1692 01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:57,028 "Don't you realise that from this moment on, people are going to believe you were guilty?" 1693 01:45:57,237 --> 01:45:58,571 And Michael said he didn't care. 1694 01:45:59,072 --> 01:46:02,033 He said, "It's my life, it's my career, it's my choice." 1695 01:46:03,243 --> 01:46:06,579 I discussed it with him many years later and he did regret the settlement. 1696 01:46:08,248 --> 01:46:11,584 It was one thing in the moment, you know, when you're in pain 1697 01:46:11,710 --> 01:46:14,754 and you're making a decision based on the pain of the moment, 1698 01:46:15,088 --> 01:46:18,924 it's another thing when years go by and you look back on it and you think, 1699 01:46:20,010 --> 01:46:21,052 "Why did I do that?" 1700 01:46:21,261 --> 01:46:25,014 And it wasn't about the $17 million, that meant nothing to him. 1701 01:46:25,265 --> 01:46:30,436 It was paid out in an installment plan, like he was buying a refrigerator. 1702 01:46:30,854 --> 01:46:32,438 It really meant nothing to him. 1703 01:46:32,522 --> 01:46:36,484 It was just the fact that people believed he settled because he was guilty 1704 01:46:36,860 --> 01:46:38,110 that really pissed him off. 1705 01:46:44,076 --> 01:46:46,577 A lot of people are very confused on this. 1706 01:46:46,787 --> 01:46:50,956 But I can sit here under oath or any other way you want it, 1707 01:46:51,208 --> 01:46:53,709 and I'm a staunch Catholic, I'll swear on the Bible, 1708 01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:55,252 Michael was not gay. 1709 01:46:55,921 --> 01:46:57,713 Nor has he ever been gay. 1710 01:46:58,507 --> 01:47:04,720 He's confided in me that certain women that he had relationships with, 1711 01:47:05,764 --> 01:47:08,599 he wasn't public about any of it, 1712 01:47:08,850 --> 01:47:12,770 because you don't want the fans to think you're tied down, 1713 01:47:12,854 --> 01:47:15,981 they don't have that shot of getting to you. 1714 01:47:19,820 --> 01:47:22,405 I went to his home, Neverland, 1715 01:47:22,489 --> 01:47:23,531 Whitney Houston SINGER 1716 01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:26,367 and he pulled out all of the stops. 1717 01:47:26,952 --> 01:47:31,705 He picked me up in a helicopter, and I got to the house, 1718 01:47:32,332 --> 01:47:36,460 and he had a coach and buggy pick me up from the gate, to his home. 1719 01:47:37,170 --> 01:47:42,174 We were in the kitchen, and this is when he had Bubbles, the monkey. 1720 01:47:43,176 --> 01:47:47,721 I had taken off my shoes, and I felt this little nibble at my toe, 1721 01:47:48,723 --> 01:47:51,809 and I thought Michael was playing with my toes. 1722 01:47:51,893 --> 01:47:53,978 I was like, "Oh, Michael, aren't you special." 1723 01:47:54,646 --> 01:47:56,897 But it was Bubbles sucking on my big toe. 1724 01:47:57,566 --> 01:47:59,066 I thought to myself, 1725 01:48:00,444 --> 01:48:02,278 "You better watch out, I'll take Bubbles home." 1726 01:48:04,698 --> 01:48:08,951 Michael told me about being on the set of a movie, 1727 01:48:09,035 --> 01:48:14,790 and one of the leading ladies invited him to her room to watch a movie 1728 01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:20,546 and I guess the saying would be she "jumped his bones." 1729 01:48:21,131 --> 01:48:25,176 I know some of the stars that Michael had been with. 1730 01:48:26,845 --> 01:48:28,596 I'll take that to my grave. 1731 01:48:33,810 --> 01:48:36,312 When he married Lisa Marie Presley, it came out of nowhere 1732 01:48:36,396 --> 01:48:39,398 and everybody thought it was a big joke, including me. 1733 01:48:42,068 --> 01:48:44,862 I went on television and I cracked a joke 1734 01:48:45,030 --> 01:48:49,241 that if anybody's interested in buying Michael and Lisa Marie a wedding present, 1735 01:48:49,409 --> 01:48:51,368 they're registered at Toys R Us. 1736 01:48:51,953 --> 01:48:54,538 On my way home, the phone rang and it was Michael, 1737 01:48:54,706 --> 01:48:57,166 and he said, "Of all the people in my world, 1738 01:48:57,250 --> 01:49:01,462 "I would think that you would not belittle my relationship." 1739 01:49:02,005 --> 01:49:05,841 And I said, "Well, you know, I feel really terrible right now about this, Michael, 1740 01:49:05,926 --> 01:49:08,594 "but you have to understand that this thing with Lisa Marie 1741 01:49:08,845 --> 01:49:11,013 "has come out of the clear blue sky. 1742 01:49:11,264 --> 01:49:12,848 "Nobody understands what's going on here. 1743 01:49:12,933 --> 01:49:15,601 "She's from Graceland, you're from Neverland. 1744 01:49:16,102 --> 01:49:17,561 "What is going on here?" 1745 01:49:19,814 --> 01:49:22,107 We did a very long interview, in which he explained to me 1746 01:49:22,526 --> 01:49:25,027 that he really felt very strongly about Lisa Marie Presley, 1747 01:49:25,779 --> 01:49:28,280 that the marriage was a real marriage for him. 1748 01:49:29,449 --> 01:49:32,243 And he said, "And if you don't believe me, ask Lisa Marie." 1749 01:49:32,452 --> 01:49:33,869 And so I did. 1750 01:49:34,579 --> 01:49:37,289 I interviewed Lisa Marie several times. 1751 01:49:37,374 --> 01:49:39,750 And I can tell you one thing about Lisa Marie Presley, 1752 01:49:40,418 --> 01:49:41,460 she's tough. 1753 01:49:42,462 --> 01:49:43,671 She tells the truth. 1754 01:49:44,256 --> 01:49:46,924 She is in-your-face honest. 1755 01:49:49,302 --> 01:49:52,304 I believed her when she told me that that was a real marriage. 1756 01:49:54,683 --> 01:49:56,392 It was a surprise to me. 1757 01:49:56,643 --> 01:49:59,979 I had heard it on television, but he never told me. 1758 01:50:00,981 --> 01:50:03,232 He called me, and I said, 1759 01:50:03,316 --> 01:50:05,609 "I've been hearing about you being married to Lisa Marie Presley." 1760 01:50:05,694 --> 01:50:08,487 He said, "Yes, that's why I called you. I wanted to tell you about it. 1761 01:50:08,989 --> 01:50:10,739 "And she's right here. You wanna speak to her?" 1762 01:50:11,866 --> 01:50:13,701 And I spoke to her. 1763 01:50:14,536 --> 01:50:16,912 Being raised in the South, she had that accent. 1764 01:50:17,247 --> 01:50:19,331 She had a very deep voice, also. 1765 01:50:19,708 --> 01:50:22,167 And I told Michael, I said, "Michael, that's not her. 1766 01:50:22,502 --> 01:50:24,336 "That's a black girl that I spoke to." 1767 01:50:27,382 --> 01:50:29,008 He was married to his career. 1768 01:50:29,092 --> 01:50:33,262 And I don't think any woman could live with somebody 1769 01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:36,557 and find that they place second, 1770 01:50:38,018 --> 01:50:39,018 and not first. 1771 01:50:41,104 --> 01:50:42,730 Michael and Debbie were always very different. 1772 01:50:43,440 --> 01:50:45,608 Debbie Rowe and Michael Jackson were not in love. 1773 01:50:47,027 --> 01:50:51,572 Debbie Rowe was somebody that would have been a surrogate mother 1774 01:50:52,032 --> 01:50:55,701 to Michael's children, had he had his way. 1775 01:50:56,286 --> 01:50:59,455 Had he had his way, we would never even know her name. 1776 01:50:59,956 --> 01:51:03,417 The problem was that Michael's own mom 1777 01:51:04,294 --> 01:51:09,715 was so determined that Michael not have children out of wedlock, 1778 01:51:10,216 --> 01:51:14,428 that she really wanted Michael to marry Debbie. 1779 01:51:15,055 --> 01:51:20,434 And Michael felt pressured also, by the record industry and by his fans, 1780 01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:23,354 to sort of make an honest woman out of Debbie Rowe. 1781 01:51:23,438 --> 01:51:25,105 And she would have done anything for Michael. 1782 01:51:25,649 --> 01:51:29,735 She was a big fan of his. She had posters of him all over her apartment. 1783 01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:31,403 She would have done anything for him. 1784 01:51:34,783 --> 01:51:36,325 She never lived at Neverland. 1785 01:51:36,743 --> 01:51:40,412 She never moved in to Neverland, like Lisa Marie did. 1786 01:51:40,747 --> 01:51:44,750 Their marriage was a marriage in name only, 1787 01:51:44,918 --> 01:51:48,754 so that she could have his children and then they divorced. 1788 01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,757 Michael told me the reason he married Debbie Rowe 1789 01:51:51,883 --> 01:51:52,883 David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND 1790 01:51:52,967 --> 01:51:54,927 was because he wanted to have a child 1791 01:51:55,095 --> 01:51:59,223 and that she was just a really nice person to be around. 1792 01:51:59,599 --> 01:52:03,268 It wasn't that he was so physically in love with her, 1793 01:52:03,770 --> 01:52:08,941 it's that he liked that she was a great nurse, and she understood him. 1794 01:52:11,611 --> 01:52:14,196 Michael had two children with Debbie Rowe: Prince (1997) and Paris (1998). 1795 01:52:18,451 --> 01:52:22,579 He had a third child "Blanket" in 2002 with an unknown mother. 1796 01:52:23,790 --> 01:52:28,919 I got up one day and heard on the radio The Love You Save by the Jackson 5. 1797 01:52:31,756 --> 01:52:34,258 It was my all-time favourite record by the group. 1798 01:52:34,634 --> 01:52:38,595 And I called Michael and said, "We're gonna do a concert, 1799 01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:43,642 "and I'm gonna reunite you and your brothers." 1800 01:52:43,810 --> 01:52:44,852 Michael said no. 1801 01:52:45,687 --> 01:52:47,146 Straight out, no. 1802 01:52:47,647 --> 01:52:51,316 And I called him again and I said, "We've got to do this. 1803 01:52:51,943 --> 01:52:53,527 "You're gonna make a lot of money 1804 01:52:54,988 --> 01:52:58,824 "and we'll put together a deal and you and I will own it. 1805 01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:01,785 "We'll be partners in this." 1806 01:53:02,454 --> 01:53:04,455 And Michael said, "Okay, let's do it." 1807 01:53:04,664 --> 01:53:06,331 We set the wheels in motion 1808 01:53:06,791 --> 01:53:11,295 for the Michael Jackson 30th Anniversary Celebration: The Solo Years 1809 01:53:11,671 --> 01:53:14,965 in New York City at Madison Square Garden. 1810 01:53:15,842 --> 01:53:19,178 It was about six weeks before the show. 1811 01:53:19,304 --> 01:53:20,304 Frank Cascio JACKSON'S FRIEND, ASSISTANT 1812 01:53:20,388 --> 01:53:24,183 And all of a sudden, as Michael expected, 1813 01:53:26,019 --> 01:53:29,897 Jermaine had all these random requests and demands. 1814 01:53:30,482 --> 01:53:33,400 Michael was very disappointed with Jermaine. 1815 01:53:33,860 --> 01:53:36,653 He never thought he was very shrewd or sharp. 1816 01:53:36,863 --> 01:53:38,655 He loved his brother dearly. 1817 01:53:39,324 --> 01:53:42,993 But there was a competition between them. 1818 01:53:43,620 --> 01:53:47,039 Michael said, "Well, if he's a problem, get him off the show." 1819 01:53:49,042 --> 01:53:51,960 I think it was really difficult for Jermaine to live in the shadow 1820 01:53:52,212 --> 01:53:55,464 of somebody who was as huge as Michael. 1821 01:53:55,548 --> 01:53:56,882 J. Randy Taraborrelli JACKSON FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER 1822 01:53:57,050 --> 01:53:59,343 And they were very, very competitive in that family. 1823 01:53:59,677 --> 01:54:02,554 Two weeks before the show, Katherine Jackson called me and said, 1824 01:54:03,181 --> 01:54:05,224 "I want all my sons together. 1825 01:54:06,142 --> 01:54:07,684 "Jermaine has to go back." 1826 01:54:07,894 --> 01:54:09,353 I said, "I can't deal with him." 1827 01:54:09,729 --> 01:54:11,396 And she said, "He will be no problem." 1828 01:54:12,732 --> 01:54:15,150 And he came and was a perfect angel. 1829 01:54:19,697 --> 01:54:24,660 Michael really wanted Elizabeth Taylor at the show, as his date. 1830 01:54:27,247 --> 01:54:30,874 But Elizabeth wasn't gonna do anything for nothing. 1831 01:54:32,085 --> 01:54:34,378 "Oh, Michael, I don't know. 1832 01:54:35,046 --> 01:54:36,588 "I don't know, Michael. 1833 01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:41,426 "I'm not feeling so well and I don't know if it's a good idea." 1834 01:54:42,846 --> 01:54:46,223 That day, he picked out the most beautiful necklace for Elizabeth Taylor. 1835 01:54:46,933 --> 01:54:49,935 "Oh, Michael, I love it. 1836 01:54:50,436 --> 01:54:54,523 "Of course I will come to the show with you. Of course." 1837 01:54:55,692 --> 01:55:01,113 So, Elizabeth Taylor, for a fee of a $250,000 necklace, 1838 01:55:02,031 --> 01:55:04,408 was Michael Jackson's date at the show. 1839 01:55:04,868 --> 01:55:07,536 Well, he is one of my closest friends. 1840 01:55:07,620 --> 01:55:08,704 Madison Square Garden SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2001 1841 01:55:08,788 --> 01:55:14,626 And we know more about each other, probably, than any two people. 1842 01:55:15,795 --> 01:55:17,588 And I love him and he loves me. 1843 01:55:19,424 --> 01:55:22,801 He was supposed to be in the audience from 8:00 to 9:00, 1844 01:55:23,094 --> 01:55:25,971 watching all the acts do a tribute to him. 1845 01:55:27,807 --> 01:55:32,936 No Michael at 8:00, no Michael at 8:15, no Michael at 8:30. 1846 01:55:34,397 --> 01:55:36,899 The CBS people were saying, "What's going on?" 1847 01:55:37,150 --> 01:55:39,109 I said, "He's on his way." 1848 01:55:40,278 --> 01:55:43,030 Frank Cascio went over to the hotel. 1849 01:55:43,656 --> 01:55:45,657 So I walk into his room, he's sleeping. 1850 01:55:46,743 --> 01:55:48,160 "What do you mean he's asleep?" 1851 01:55:48,828 --> 01:55:53,123 I could tell he was out of it and he wasn't completely there. 1852 01:55:53,333 --> 01:55:56,043 I started shouting at him. I said, "What did you take?" 1853 01:55:56,127 --> 01:55:58,253 So, he told me, he took a shot of Demerol. 1854 01:55:58,755 --> 01:56:00,881 He said, "Frank, my back was killing me." 1855 01:56:00,965 --> 01:56:03,175 I said, "You're just looking for an excuse to get out of the show. 1856 01:56:04,260 --> 01:56:05,302 "Just tell me, isn't that right?" 1857 01:56:05,845 --> 01:56:06,887 He wouldn't answer me. 1858 01:56:07,597 --> 01:56:09,014 But I knew that was what it was. 1859 01:56:09,223 --> 01:56:13,435 I said, "I don't care what you've taken, you get on there and entertain." 1860 01:56:13,519 --> 01:56:15,437 What makes this a great night for you? 1861 01:56:15,647 --> 01:56:22,319 It's a reunion and I'm honoured that the world appreciates my art. 1862 01:56:22,403 --> 01:56:23,570 I'm very honoured. 1863 01:56:24,155 --> 01:56:26,448 I remember talking to Michael at that time, 1864 01:56:26,866 --> 01:56:30,160 and he fell asleep on the phone when I was talking to him. 1865 01:56:30,244 --> 01:56:34,790 And I called his lawyer and I said, "Is it possible that Michael is on drugs?" 1866 01:56:34,874 --> 01:56:38,377 Because I couldn't imagine it. Michael never did anything like that. 1867 01:56:39,629 --> 01:56:44,132 Michael never admitted to anybody that he had a problem with drugs. 1868 01:56:45,677 --> 01:56:47,052 He was totally aloof. 1869 01:56:48,388 --> 01:56:51,890 Those of us that did know, and tried to help, 1870 01:56:53,810 --> 01:56:55,435 he just eliminated. 1871 01:56:56,938 --> 01:57:00,941 He's an amazing man, that he could, on the pills that he took, 1872 01:57:01,401 --> 01:57:02,734 put on a performance. 1873 01:57:03,611 --> 01:57:06,321 He looked like his eyes were closed most of the time, 1874 01:57:06,406 --> 01:57:07,990 because I've got the tapes. 1875 01:57:09,158 --> 01:57:11,910 But no one knew. 1876 01:57:12,245 --> 01:57:13,829 It was a brilliant show. 1877 01:57:14,414 --> 01:57:18,583 A lot of energy with the brothers being on stage once more, again. 1878 01:57:18,668 --> 01:57:22,713 And the whole thing, just playing those hit songs once more, 1879 01:57:23,881 --> 01:57:25,340 brought back a lot of great memories. 1880 01:57:31,597 --> 01:57:33,932 I don't know anybody who could do all those dances 1881 01:57:34,517 --> 01:57:36,852 and get up there. And he got away with it. 1882 01:57:38,354 --> 01:57:40,439 The TV broadcast of the concert went on to become 1883 01:57:40,565 --> 01:57:42,691 one of the highest rated "Music Specials" in American history. 1884 01:58:02,128 --> 01:58:08,550 Around 2003, Michael became involved with a family by the name of Arvizo. 1885 01:58:09,260 --> 01:58:13,472 And Martin Bashir was doing a documentary about Michael. 1886 01:58:14,390 --> 01:58:16,725 And it was Michael's idea 1887 01:58:18,311 --> 01:58:21,104 to feature this kid in the documentary. 1888 01:58:22,940 --> 01:58:27,944 Michael has a deep affection for helping children in need. 1889 01:58:28,821 --> 01:58:34,117 And this child happened to have a severe case of cancer. 1890 01:58:35,828 --> 01:58:40,123 Michael immediately wanted to do something to help, to give this child hope, 1891 01:58:40,625 --> 01:58:43,335 and give him a reason to live. 1892 01:58:43,836 --> 01:58:46,963 A lot of the people working for Michael Jackson didn't want Michael to do this 1893 01:58:47,465 --> 01:58:50,008 because they felt that after what happened with Jordy Chandler, 1894 01:58:50,259 --> 01:58:55,597 people shouldn't be reminded of any association that Michael had with any kids. 1895 01:58:55,848 --> 01:58:58,642 But Michael had no consciousness of guilt, at all. 1896 01:58:59,352 --> 01:59:00,519 I saw the original documentary that Mr Bashir produced. 1897 01:59:00,645 --> 01:59:02,187 Thomas A. Mesereau, Jr. JACKSON'S ATTORNEY, 2005 TRIAL 1898 01:59:02,271 --> 01:59:04,189 I didn't know Michael Jackson at the time. 1899 01:59:04,315 --> 01:59:07,359 But something seemed very, very manipulative, 1900 01:59:07,443 --> 01:59:10,529 very sinister, about the way he approached Michael Jackson. 1901 01:59:11,197 --> 01:59:15,784 And what was proof of that was the na�vete Michael displayed 1902 01:59:15,868 --> 01:59:19,788 in continuing to talk to this man, who clearly, in my opinion, 1903 01:59:19,872 --> 01:59:21,873 was bent on destroying his reputation. 1904 01:59:22,125 --> 01:59:25,377 Tonight, 12-year-old Gavin reveals he spends nights at Neverland, 1905 01:59:25,461 --> 01:59:28,380 sometimes in Jackson's bed, the star on the floor. 1906 01:59:29,882 --> 01:59:34,553 Next thing you know, children protective services became involved, 1907 01:59:34,679 --> 01:59:37,305 and different lawyers began asking questions, 1908 01:59:38,057 --> 01:59:40,016 Tom Sneddon is back in the picture again. 1909 01:59:41,060 --> 01:59:47,983 And the Arvizo family, suddenly, have decided that Michael had molested Gavin. 1910 01:59:51,070 --> 01:59:54,656 Gavin came to Michael, and said, "Michael, can we sleep in your room tonight?" 1911 01:59:54,740 --> 01:59:56,616 Frank Cascio - UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR, JACKSON TRIAL 2005 1912 01:59:56,701 --> 02:00:00,662 And Michael looked at me and says, "I don't know. 1913 02:00:00,746 --> 02:00:03,123 "You know, I think you better ask your mother." 1914 02:00:03,457 --> 02:00:06,668 "Oh, we already asked our mother. She says,"Sure, no problem.'" 1915 02:00:07,253 --> 02:00:11,006 I'm like, "No. This is... Something's odd. This is not right." 1916 02:00:11,215 --> 02:00:16,094 And then, as I was about to go tell Gavin that he cannot sleep in Michael's room, 1917 02:00:16,554 --> 02:00:18,930 Michael says, "Okay, I have a solution for this. 1918 02:00:20,183 --> 02:00:23,059 "You have to sleep in the room with me." 1919 02:00:23,603 --> 02:00:27,606 The two children slept on the bed and Michael and I slept on the floor. 1920 02:00:28,232 --> 02:00:31,359 An arrest warrant for Mr Jackson has been issued 1921 02:00:31,944 --> 02:00:34,237 on multiple counts of child molestation. 1922 02:00:35,406 --> 02:00:36,531 At this point in time, 1923 02:00:37,116 --> 02:00:40,285 Mr Jackson's been given an opportunity to surrender himself 1924 02:00:41,120 --> 02:00:43,413 to the custody of the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department 1925 02:00:43,664 --> 02:00:45,832 within a specified period of time. 1926 02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:50,045 They were claiming that Michael organised a conspiracy to abduct children, 1927 02:00:50,171 --> 02:00:53,965 to falsely imprison a family and to commit criminal extortion. 1928 02:00:54,258 --> 02:00:57,719 And the other counts had to do with allegations of child molestation. 1929 02:00:57,887 --> 02:01:02,307 These were serious allegations, the most ridiculous allegations. 1930 02:01:02,850 --> 02:01:06,895 Anyone who knows Michael, Michael is not a paedophile. 1931 02:01:08,898 --> 02:01:12,359 Mr Jackson has been booked into the county jail. 1932 02:01:12,443 --> 02:01:16,071 He has since been released. He has posted the bail 1933 02:01:16,405 --> 02:01:18,240 and he has been given an arraignment date. 1934 02:01:18,866 --> 02:01:19,908 Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER 1935 02:01:19,992 --> 02:01:22,702 It bothered me because I was wondering how he was feeling 1936 02:01:22,787 --> 02:01:24,537 and how he was dealing with it. 1937 02:01:25,623 --> 02:01:29,918 Michael used to always tell me, "I'd rather slit my own wrist than to hurt a child. 1938 02:01:30,294 --> 02:01:32,045 "And here they are trying to accuse me 1939 02:01:32,463 --> 02:01:35,715 "of the thing that I love best, and that's children, 1940 02:01:35,925 --> 02:01:37,592 "accuse me of molesting them." 1941 02:01:37,927 --> 02:01:41,179 The more I looked at the facts, the more I conversed with him, 1942 02:01:41,264 --> 02:01:43,181 the more ridiculous these charges appeared. 1943 02:01:43,266 --> 02:01:45,016 He just did not seem like the kind of person 1944 02:01:45,101 --> 02:01:47,811 that could ever engage in this kind of behaviour. 1945 02:01:49,397 --> 02:01:52,774 Mr Sneddon was obsessed with taking down Michael Jackson. 1946 02:01:53,359 --> 02:01:57,320 My understanding is that in the mid-'900s, Mr Sneddon personally traveled 1947 02:01:57,446 --> 02:02:01,116 to Australia and Canada, and perhaps other countries I'm not aware of, 1948 02:02:01,450 --> 02:02:03,660 to find witnesses against Michael Jackson. 1949 02:02:03,786 --> 02:02:08,081 He also arranged to have a website at the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department 1950 02:02:08,165 --> 02:02:10,917 where they were looking for any witnesses or evidence against Michael. 1951 02:02:12,586 --> 02:02:15,547 Finally, in 2004, he got his wish, 1952 02:02:15,673 --> 02:02:18,425 a criminal trial with Michael Jackson as the defendant. 1953 02:02:18,801 --> 02:02:24,723 To see this DA, with this wicked smile and grin, 1954 02:02:25,016 --> 02:02:28,935 like, he's gonna become a national hero 1955 02:02:30,646 --> 02:02:34,149 for catching Michael Jackson doing something that he never did 1956 02:02:35,151 --> 02:02:38,486 made me wanna just throw up on the television. 1957 02:02:39,113 --> 02:02:42,824 Jackson himself, I believe, has said that this was all done 1958 02:02:42,908 --> 02:02:46,745 to tty to ruin his new CD that was coming out or whatever it is he's doing, 1959 02:02:47,246 --> 02:02:50,373 like the sheriff and I really are into that kind of music. But... 1960 02:02:53,294 --> 02:02:56,755 There was a real, sort of, leaning in the press corps 1961 02:02:57,214 --> 02:03:00,300 that, "Look, if this is happening again, then he must be guilty." 1962 02:03:01,093 --> 02:03:03,345 We really didn't know what they had. 1963 02:03:03,763 --> 02:03:07,515 We just... Because it was all sealed and nobody knew what it was. 1964 02:03:07,850 --> 02:03:10,977 I personally believe this Janet Arvizo 1965 02:03:12,521 --> 02:03:14,773 was provoked by someone. 1966 02:03:15,232 --> 02:03:17,400 Janet Arvizo is a sick woman. 1967 02:03:17,485 --> 02:03:21,488 She has a track history of shaking people down. 1968 02:03:21,572 --> 02:03:25,241 The more I looked at the history of welfare fraud, 1969 02:03:25,326 --> 02:03:28,787 the more I looked at their hustling celebrities to try and get money, 1970 02:03:28,871 --> 02:03:32,999 the more I put this package together, I have to say, I was quite surprised 1971 02:03:33,292 --> 02:03:36,711 that the prosecutors pinned their hopes on these people. 1972 02:03:36,796 --> 02:03:39,672 We've been ready to do this for some period of time. 1973 02:03:39,757 --> 02:03:42,175 I wanna clarify that so that you understand that. 1974 02:03:42,259 --> 02:03:45,387 Prosecution was like a train that left the station. 1975 02:03:45,471 --> 02:03:47,097 It was not gonna slow down. 1976 02:03:47,348 --> 02:03:49,641 Once they decided to charge Michael Jackson, 1977 02:03:49,725 --> 02:03:52,560 it almost appeared as if they were gonna do whatever it took 1978 02:03:52,645 --> 02:03:55,438 to make sure this thing got to trial and that they got a conviction. 1979 02:03:57,566 --> 02:04:01,861 Seventy sheriffs from Santa Barbara County raided Michael Jackson's home. 1980 02:04:02,238 --> 02:04:03,988 Now, I've seen murder cases, 1981 02:04:04,073 --> 02:04:08,660 I've seen serial killers have investigations done in their premises, 1982 02:04:08,911 --> 02:04:11,996 with five people, with six people, with 10 people. 1983 02:04:12,081 --> 02:04:16,876 Never have I seen this many sheriffs descend on anybody's home in any case. 1984 02:04:17,002 --> 02:04:18,837 It was all done because of who he was, 1985 02:04:18,921 --> 02:04:21,714 and they knew this was gonna be a worldwide event, 1986 02:04:21,841 --> 02:04:24,551 and, frankly, it was very despicable as far as I'm concerned. 1987 02:04:24,718 --> 02:04:28,054 There was a lynch mob mentality in Santa Maria that extended 1988 02:04:28,180 --> 02:04:31,891 not only to the police and to the district attorney 1989 02:04:32,017 --> 02:04:33,935 but, maybe, to the media as well. 1990 02:04:34,270 --> 02:04:37,522 And I remember when we were standing in line to get our press credentials, 1991 02:04:37,857 --> 02:04:41,943 one of the reporters, a woman, who was a very popular reporter in America, 1992 02:04:42,069 --> 02:04:44,779 pulled herself out of the line and she said, 1993 02:04:44,864 --> 02:04:49,576 "Is there anybody standing in this line, besides J. Randy Taraborrelli, 1994 02:04:49,702 --> 02:04:53,288 "who does not believe that Michael Jackson is guilty?" 1995 02:04:54,957 --> 02:04:56,666 And there was the issue of race. 1996 02:04:56,750 --> 02:05:00,295 When he got in big trouble, he reached out to black leaders 1997 02:05:00,379 --> 02:05:01,546 to try and defend him. 1998 02:05:02,298 --> 02:05:06,259 He reached out to Reverend Jesse Jackson, to Reverend AI Sharpton and others. 1999 02:05:06,385 --> 02:05:09,429 I wanted to avoid any racial division. 2000 02:05:09,722 --> 02:05:14,642 There was a phone call one night. It was Michael Jackson and his publicist. 2001 02:05:14,727 --> 02:05:17,604 She wanted to bring black celebrities into the courtroom. 2002 02:05:17,730 --> 02:05:20,064 She felt this would be better for his legacy. 2003 02:05:20,149 --> 02:05:23,651 And my comment about this request was that, 2004 02:05:23,736 --> 02:05:25,153 you know, if he's convicted, 2005 02:05:25,237 --> 02:05:28,781 his legacy is gonna be dying in California State Prison. 2006 02:05:33,579 --> 02:05:38,666 And I flew out, at the request of Katherine, to go to the arraignment. 2007 02:05:38,751 --> 02:05:41,669 When we all drove up together, you know, and went through that. 2008 02:05:41,754 --> 02:05:42,921 Frank Dileo JACKSON MANAGER 1984-89, 2009 2009 02:05:43,005 --> 02:05:44,589 Of course, then he got on the roof. 2010 02:05:51,764 --> 02:05:53,723 When he got in the car, I said, 2011 02:05:53,807 --> 02:05:56,768 "Will you stop that already? This is serious stuff here." 2012 02:05:57,019 --> 02:06:01,105 He went in there, he was strong, he was not gonna let anything get to him, 2013 02:06:01,190 --> 02:06:03,733 he was jumping on the bus, 2014 02:06:03,817 --> 02:06:06,444 really proud, you know what, showing his fans, 2015 02:06:06,529 --> 02:06:08,488 "We're gonna get through this, we're gonna fight. 2016 02:06:08,614 --> 02:06:10,615 "Everything's gonna be fine." 2017 02:06:11,116 --> 02:06:12,116 When we first started, 2018 02:06:12,201 --> 02:06:15,995 Michael came in and he looked really robust and healthy. 2019 02:06:16,121 --> 02:06:20,625 He was sharp and focused, 2020 02:06:21,210 --> 02:06:24,379 and determined to prove his innocence. 2021 02:06:26,882 --> 02:06:29,842 Case 1133603: The People vs Jackson begins on February 28, 2005. 2022 02:06:29,969 --> 02:06:31,761 Even after the first day, 2023 02:06:31,845 --> 02:06:35,557 you knew that these people were only after money, 2024 02:06:35,641 --> 02:06:40,812 and this was the biggest hoax in the world that they were trying to pull. 2025 02:06:41,146 --> 02:06:44,148 They put witnesses on the stand to testify under oath 2026 02:06:44,233 --> 02:06:45,650 to things that never happened, 2027 02:06:45,734 --> 02:06:48,361 to things that were completely exaggerated and untrue. 2028 02:06:49,572 --> 02:06:52,198 They were willing to almost throw anything at the jury, 2029 02:06:52,324 --> 02:06:54,158 hoping something would stick. 2030 02:06:54,326 --> 02:06:58,162 Time for a diminutive mother of four, Janet Arvizo, 2031 02:06:58,247 --> 02:06:59,747 to take centre stage. 2032 02:06:59,915 --> 02:07:03,001 Her evidence could end the career of a pop legend. 2033 02:07:03,085 --> 02:07:06,504 What had upset me is they were reporting 2034 02:07:06,589 --> 02:07:07,630 Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER 2035 02:07:07,715 --> 02:07:10,842 everything that was said about Michael, 2036 02:07:11,176 --> 02:07:13,845 but they wasn't reporting anything in his defence. 2037 02:07:13,929 --> 02:07:15,680 It looked like a feeding frenzy to me. 2038 02:07:15,764 --> 02:07:16,973 The media were just out 2039 02:07:17,057 --> 02:07:21,519 to see the world's greatest known celebrity fall to destruction. 2040 02:07:21,604 --> 02:07:24,897 That's where they thought their ratings in the future would come from. 2041 02:07:25,107 --> 02:07:27,859 And, for me, it was really a disgrace. 2042 02:07:28,527 --> 02:07:29,861 During the trial, 2043 02:07:29,945 --> 02:07:32,530 Diane Dimond was the worst person in the world. 2044 02:07:33,449 --> 02:07:36,743 Nice to meet you. Your hands are very cold. 2045 02:07:36,869 --> 02:07:39,495 I didn't say what you thought I'd say. Did you get my message? 2046 02:07:39,580 --> 02:07:41,372 I got your message. 2047 02:07:41,540 --> 02:07:45,543 I don't understand how these people can run out and lie. 2048 02:07:46,420 --> 02:07:49,881 They don't even get a chance to find out the truth. 2049 02:07:51,383 --> 02:07:54,093 Tom Mesereau would get there and show... And clean it up, 2050 02:07:54,219 --> 02:07:57,388 and show that this is not true, this is really how it went, 2051 02:07:57,640 --> 02:07:59,557 but they wouldn't report that. 2052 02:07:59,642 --> 02:08:01,643 And that went on for months. 2053 02:08:01,894 --> 02:08:05,104 When we finally got to see what was being alleged, 2054 02:08:05,230 --> 02:08:08,941 it just seemed so ridiculous and so far-fetched 2055 02:08:09,068 --> 02:08:14,072 that I remember one reporter from CNN came over to me 2056 02:08:14,740 --> 02:08:17,700 after the day that the mother testified, Janet Arvizo, 2057 02:08:17,785 --> 02:08:20,119 and he said, "I feel so used." 2058 02:08:20,371 --> 02:08:24,374 Mrs Arvizo claimed that she feared Michael Jackson so much 2059 02:08:24,458 --> 02:08:26,918 that she thought he and his henchmen were gonna 2060 02:08:27,044 --> 02:08:31,589 put she and her family on a hot air balloon and let them sail away to their demise. 2061 02:08:31,882 --> 02:08:36,969 That was one of, probably, 500 crazy things that came out of this trial 2062 02:08:37,096 --> 02:08:39,639 that the Arvizo family were alleging. 2063 02:08:39,765 --> 02:08:42,809 Sitting in court, listening to all these people lie, 2064 02:08:42,935 --> 02:08:45,687 people he'd been good to and all of that, 2065 02:08:45,771 --> 02:08:49,774 he said he couldn't believe that they were telling all these lies on him. 2066 02:08:49,900 --> 02:08:53,111 These people must have been paid off to do a lot of this stuff. 2067 02:08:53,278 --> 02:08:55,113 I warned him about this family. 2068 02:08:55,239 --> 02:08:59,450 I warned him about that mother. That mother, I read from a mile away. 2069 02:08:59,660 --> 02:09:02,620 She had an agenda from day one. 2070 02:09:02,996 --> 02:09:06,457 There was a so-called rebuttal video that was played, 2071 02:09:06,917 --> 02:09:13,423 the video that the Arvizo family made after the allegations had surfaced, 2072 02:09:13,632 --> 02:09:19,470 in which they claim that Michael had been a father figure 2073 02:09:19,596 --> 02:09:21,639 to this family. 2074 02:09:21,849 --> 02:09:24,809 And they were really adamant about it on this video. 2075 02:09:24,935 --> 02:09:27,103 And this video existed. 2076 02:09:27,187 --> 02:09:30,064 And you would've thought that just the fact that this video existed 2077 02:09:30,149 --> 02:09:31,649 would've been enough for the district attorney 2078 02:09:31,775 --> 02:09:33,317 to not wanna prosecute this case, 2079 02:09:33,444 --> 02:09:35,862 because, eventually, we would have to see this video. 2080 02:09:35,988 --> 02:09:40,032 And all of us would then have to look at this and think, "What the heck is going on here?" 2081 02:09:40,159 --> 02:09:41,451 Which is exactly what happened. 2082 02:09:41,994 --> 02:09:45,663 The focus, instead, was on the defence's first celebrity witness, 2083 02:09:45,789 --> 02:09:47,957 the actor Macaulay Culkin. 2084 02:09:48,167 --> 02:09:51,669 The prosecution had suggested that in the early 19900s, 2085 02:09:51,837 --> 02:09:55,965 he was one of a number of young boys who'd been sexually abused by Jackson. 2086 02:09:56,049 --> 02:09:58,760 I have to say, Chris Tucker and Macaulay Culkin 2087 02:09:58,844 --> 02:10:02,180 will always go down in my book as loyal, good friends. 2088 02:10:02,639 --> 02:10:06,642 They had managers and agents and lawyers who didn't want them to get involved, 2089 02:10:06,727 --> 02:10:10,313 and they both told me that, "When Michael needs us, we're gonna be there." 2090 02:10:10,397 --> 02:10:11,522 There were other witnesses, 2091 02:10:11,648 --> 02:10:15,151 people he knew at Neverland, who came in to tell the truth. 2092 02:10:15,235 --> 02:10:18,529 We had a lot of people that rose to his defence. 2093 02:10:18,697 --> 02:10:22,366 I stood by him because he was a decent, good man, 2094 02:10:23,827 --> 02:10:26,370 with a warm heart, a loving heart. 2095 02:10:32,544 --> 02:10:35,922 The family were extremely supportive of Michael Jackson throughout this trial. 2096 02:10:36,048 --> 02:10:37,757 His mother never missed one day. 2097 02:10:37,883 --> 02:10:41,552 The trial lasted almost five months. She never missed a day. 2098 02:10:41,678 --> 02:10:44,013 I knew what Michael was going through 2099 02:10:44,431 --> 02:10:47,433 and my heart just bled for him all the time. 2100 02:10:48,727 --> 02:10:50,228 The family was there 2101 02:10:50,354 --> 02:10:54,273 and there was this, sort of, sense that it was gonna be okay. 2102 02:10:57,444 --> 02:11:00,530 I remember they showed the Martin Bashir documentary, 2103 02:11:00,614 --> 02:11:02,907 and Michael's music was playing throughout it, 2104 02:11:03,075 --> 02:11:04,659 and I remember looking around the courtroom 2105 02:11:04,743 --> 02:11:08,162 and seeing all these heads bobbing up and down to Michael's music. 2106 02:11:08,247 --> 02:11:09,455 And I thought to myself, 2107 02:11:09,581 --> 02:11:11,541 "Wow, this is gonna be some crazy molestation trial, 2108 02:11:11,625 --> 02:11:15,753 "because everybody here is, sort of, rocking out to Billie Jean. " 2109 02:11:16,213 --> 02:11:17,964 It just seemed very surreal to me. 2110 02:11:18,757 --> 02:11:21,843 The prosecution, in my opinion, didn't know what to do 2111 02:11:21,927 --> 02:11:26,848 with the fact that they found 10 years' worth of magazines, 2112 02:11:26,932 --> 02:11:31,269 Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, at Neverland, 2113 02:11:31,395 --> 02:11:35,064 which would suggest that Michael Jackson was heterosexual, 2114 02:11:35,148 --> 02:11:38,776 and interested in seeing pictures of beautiful women who were naked. 2115 02:11:38,944 --> 02:11:43,406 They weren't quite sure how to fit that into their theory that he was a paedophile. 2116 02:11:43,490 --> 02:11:47,994 So they came up with the notion that a paedophile will take magazines like this 2117 02:11:48,120 --> 02:11:50,746 to somehow groom the alleged victim. 2118 02:11:50,998 --> 02:11:53,541 The district attorney showed so much pornography 2119 02:11:53,625 --> 02:11:58,880 that your head was spinning by the time this was over. 2120 02:11:58,964 --> 02:12:00,631 It was the only day that Katherine 2121 02:12:00,757 --> 02:12:03,968 excused herself from the courtroom for the afternoon. 2122 02:12:04,303 --> 02:12:08,139 I thought, they're constantly flashing this material at the jury, 2123 02:12:08,265 --> 02:12:11,809 which was a majority of females, by the way, 2124 02:12:11,935 --> 02:12:15,021 I thought just was stupid, but that's what they did. 2125 02:12:15,147 --> 02:12:18,441 They couldn't find any pornography on his computers. 2126 02:12:18,525 --> 02:12:21,485 They had the FBI test every computer at Neverland, 2127 02:12:21,612 --> 02:12:24,238 they couldn't find any kiddie pornography. 2128 02:12:24,323 --> 02:12:26,657 So they just tried to fit everything into their theory 2129 02:12:26,783 --> 02:12:28,492 and it just became an absurdity. 2130 02:12:28,660 --> 02:12:33,122 You just knew that there was really something devious going on. 2131 02:12:34,833 --> 02:12:38,169 This guy, Tom Sneddon, was really out to get him. 2132 02:12:38,837 --> 02:12:40,755 It had to be totally torture. 2133 02:12:40,839 --> 02:12:44,675 I couldn't imagine what was going on in his mind and in his head. 2134 02:12:46,678 --> 02:12:48,179 He's not strong in that way, though. 2135 02:12:49,723 --> 02:12:53,643 The stress and strain of this five-month trial took a toll on him. 2136 02:12:53,727 --> 02:12:57,313 You saw him losing weight, he was having trouble sleeping. 2137 02:12:57,481 --> 02:13:00,149 I would talk to him at 3:00, 4:00, 5:00 in the morning, 2138 02:13:00,233 --> 02:13:01,484 and he would be terrified, 2139 02:13:01,568 --> 02:13:03,819 particularly about what might happen to his children. 2140 02:13:04,071 --> 02:13:07,531 He did need some things to help him fall asleep at night, 2141 02:13:07,658 --> 02:13:12,370 because there was no way he was sleeping with all this stuff going on in his head. 2142 02:13:12,704 --> 02:13:14,914 I don't know how anyone could sleep. 2143 02:13:16,500 --> 02:13:19,251 The thought that you might be found guilty 2144 02:13:19,378 --> 02:13:22,922 and spend the rest of your life in a jail cell 2145 02:13:23,090 --> 02:13:26,550 and all your accomplishments washed down the drain, 2146 02:13:27,719 --> 02:13:29,804 I don't know how he coped. 2147 02:13:29,888 --> 02:13:32,223 Most people would've taken a gun to their head. 2148 02:13:32,432 --> 02:13:35,768 His frame of mind was very, very fragile, 2149 02:13:36,603 --> 02:13:38,896 and I was concerned for him. 2150 02:13:39,064 --> 02:13:42,483 He was very worried about his children and his mother 2151 02:13:42,567 --> 02:13:44,485 and what people would think. 2152 02:13:44,569 --> 02:13:46,237 The first day of Gavin's testimony, 2153 02:13:46,363 --> 02:13:48,280 Michael shows up and he's in pyjamas, 2154 02:13:48,407 --> 02:13:50,700 and he looked like he was in really bad shape. 2155 02:13:50,784 --> 02:13:53,911 And they actually, they had to, like, help him into the courtroom. 2156 02:13:54,037 --> 02:13:57,581 From that moment on, everything started to get really awful. 2157 02:13:57,874 --> 02:14:02,086 You started seeing Michael coming in every day, looking like death. 2158 02:14:02,295 --> 02:14:06,257 It was as if the testimony was just destroying him. 2159 02:14:06,466 --> 02:14:10,928 To sit there in court and watch the legal system hurl 2160 02:14:11,054 --> 02:14:17,601 absurd and vindictive and nasty, mean-spirited allegations at him like this, 2161 02:14:18,437 --> 02:14:20,354 absolutely traumatized him. 2162 02:14:20,605 --> 02:14:24,025 For me, and for other people who actually knew Michael, 2163 02:14:24,109 --> 02:14:27,319 this was a real human being, whose life was being destroyed, 2164 02:14:27,446 --> 02:14:29,488 and every day it just seemed to get worse. 2165 02:14:31,616 --> 02:14:35,786 5 months after the trial began the attorneys presented their closing arguments. 2166 02:14:41,209 --> 02:14:46,005 On June 13th, 2005 after 9 days of deliberation the jury reached a verdict. 2167 02:14:50,469 --> 02:14:55,306 If found guilty of all 10 charges Michael faced spending the rest of his life in prison. 2168 02:15:06,860 --> 02:15:12,239 One of the sheriffs came to me and said, "You've got the best seat in the house." 2169 02:15:12,574 --> 02:15:16,744 And I said, "Why?" And he said, "Because you're sitting right behind Michael. 2170 02:15:16,828 --> 02:15:18,704 "And when we find him guilty, 2171 02:15:18,830 --> 02:15:23,417 "we're going to get him out of there so fast that your head's gonna spin." 2172 02:15:23,710 --> 02:15:27,004 These people had already decided that Michael was guilty. 2173 02:15:27,089 --> 02:15:28,214 And they were sure of it, 2174 02:15:28,340 --> 02:15:31,050 so sure that they had an exit plan to get him out of there. 2175 02:15:37,849 --> 02:15:42,353 Michael came into the courtroom and he looked like he was on serious drugs. 2176 02:15:42,771 --> 02:15:48,526 He really, truly looked like a dead man walking. 2177 02:15:51,279 --> 02:15:52,738 It was a tense moment, you know, 2178 02:15:52,864 --> 02:15:55,908 the entire world stopped to watch what was gonna happen 2179 02:15:56,034 --> 02:16:00,371 to the best known celebrity, a musical genius, Michael Jackson. 2180 02:16:00,455 --> 02:16:05,251 That was such an awfully emotional day, you just didn't know what to expect. 2181 02:16:18,306 --> 02:16:20,391 We, the jury, in the above entitled case, 2182 02:16:20,475 --> 02:16:24,061 find the defendant not guilty of conspiracy, 2183 02:16:24,146 --> 02:16:26,897 as charged in count one of the indictment. 2184 02:16:29,734 --> 02:16:34,947 The verdict was read and it was, "Not guilty. Not guilty. Not guilty. Not guilty." 2185 02:16:35,073 --> 02:16:37,741 All the way down the line, all counts, "Not guilty." 2186 02:16:37,909 --> 02:16:44,790 And I remember, very specifically, Michael seeming to not understand. 2187 02:16:44,958 --> 02:16:50,129 And I remember Tom Sneddon looking at Michael for a reaction 2188 02:16:50,255 --> 02:16:51,505 and not really getting one. 2189 02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:55,301 And I also remember Tom Mesereau, his lawyer, leaning in 2190 02:16:55,427 --> 02:16:59,513 and mouthing to Michael Jackson, "You're a free man." 2191 02:16:59,598 --> 02:17:02,433 I could read his lips,"cause I was so close. 2192 02:17:02,767 --> 02:17:05,144 And Michael still didn't get it. 2193 02:17:06,771 --> 02:17:08,522 You felt like it was a triumphant moment 2194 02:17:08,607 --> 02:17:12,359 but then when you looked at him, you realised that he wasn't there for it. 2195 02:17:12,611 --> 02:17:14,445 There was nothing you could do. 2196 02:17:14,613 --> 02:17:17,281 He was so devastated that it had happened 2197 02:17:18,116 --> 02:17:22,494 that you couldn't even find a place to be happy that it ended the way it did 2198 02:17:22,579 --> 02:17:26,081 because it was so devastating that it had occurred at all. 2199 02:17:31,796 --> 02:17:36,383 It's sad because I really feel that trial 2200 02:17:36,468 --> 02:17:40,429 is what really depressed my brother out to the point 2201 02:17:40,513 --> 02:17:43,307 where he just wasn't happy. 2202 02:17:43,391 --> 02:17:46,518 He never went back to Neverland. 2203 02:17:47,437 --> 02:17:49,897 For Michael not to go to Neverland, 2204 02:17:49,981 --> 02:17:51,065 he must've been pretty sad. 2205 02:17:51,149 --> 02:17:55,110 Didn't wanna have nothing to do with that place ever again. 2206 02:18:00,158 --> 02:18:01,867 He would always tell me, 2207 02:18:01,952 --> 02:18:04,453 "It's over. I don't trust anyone. 2208 02:18:05,038 --> 02:18:09,124 "I don't know why they're doing this to me. They want me dead." 2209 02:18:09,709 --> 02:18:12,962 He said, "They're gonna kill me for what I got." 2210 02:18:24,808 --> 02:18:28,727 I'm pretty sure there was times when he felt that, you know, 2211 02:18:28,812 --> 02:18:33,816 "I wish I was someone else," or, other than an entertainer. 2212 02:18:35,151 --> 02:18:38,112 There's a certain point that you can get to with success 2213 02:18:38,196 --> 02:18:39,238 Smokey Robinson ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 2214 02:18:39,322 --> 02:18:42,283 where you have no life whatsoever. 2215 02:18:43,535 --> 02:18:47,371 You lose the ability to be a person. 2216 02:18:47,789 --> 02:18:50,541 To be a person that cannot be a part of the everyday life of this world, 2217 02:18:50,625 --> 02:18:52,042 Russell Thompkins, Jr. LEAD SINGER,"THE STYLISTICS" 2218 02:18:53,837 --> 02:18:56,380 it could really be devastating on the mind. 2219 02:18:58,091 --> 02:18:59,925 You can't get it all for free. 2220 02:19:00,677 --> 02:19:02,970 And that's what happened with Michael, 2221 02:19:03,054 --> 02:19:04,179 Freda Payne SINGER 2222 02:19:04,264 --> 02:19:06,223 he had to give up so much that he lost his ability 2223 02:19:06,308 --> 02:19:09,143 to just walk amongst everyday people. 2224 02:19:09,561 --> 02:19:12,187 This was the first artist that I'd been associated with, 2225 02:19:12,272 --> 02:19:13,314 Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff 2226 02:19:13,398 --> 02:19:14,690 PRODUCERS & SONGWRITERS, PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS 2227 02:19:14,774 --> 02:19:16,066 and the only artist that I'd been associated with, 2228 02:19:16,151 --> 02:19:18,527 that you could not walk down the street with. 2229 02:19:19,654 --> 02:19:24,616 Look at my life. It's somewhat normal. It's not normal, but it's a little normal. 2230 02:19:25,160 --> 02:19:30,372 But judging my life to his, his was nowhere close. 2231 02:19:30,874 --> 02:19:33,167 He just couldn't be anonymous. 2232 02:19:33,251 --> 02:19:34,335 Impossible. 2233 02:19:48,683 --> 02:19:51,352 Michael Jackson is proclaimed the King of Pop. 2234 02:19:51,436 --> 02:19:52,478 Martha Reeves ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS 2235 02:19:52,562 --> 02:19:54,396 It's kind of hard being a king. 2236 02:19:54,481 --> 02:19:56,774 You can get out of sorts. 2237 02:19:58,568 --> 02:20:04,573 I think he, kind of, like, isolated himself from everyone who would say no. 2238 02:20:06,117 --> 02:20:08,660 Everything he wants is, "Yes. Okay, Michael." 2239 02:20:09,704 --> 02:20:14,041 It's hard to have someone there 2240 02:20:14,125 --> 02:20:15,376 Billy Davis, Jr. SINGER, "5th DIMENSION" 2241 02:20:15,460 --> 02:20:18,128 to give you an honest answer, an honest opinion. 2242 02:20:18,213 --> 02:20:20,672 Joseph would always tell him, "Michael, watch your people. 2243 02:20:20,757 --> 02:20:21,924 "Michael, watch your people." 2244 02:20:22,008 --> 02:20:25,177 He said, "I trust my people. My people are good people." 2245 02:20:25,303 --> 02:20:28,222 But that's not the case. 2246 02:20:28,306 --> 02:20:29,348 Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER 2247 02:20:29,432 --> 02:20:31,266 People smile in your face, pat you on the back 2248 02:20:31,351 --> 02:20:33,435 and stab you at the same time. 2249 02:20:33,812 --> 02:20:35,562 These people saw money, 2250 02:20:35,647 --> 02:20:36,772 Bobby Taylor ARTIST, GORDY & MOTOWN RECORDS 2251 02:20:36,898 --> 02:20:39,066 and they saw somebody who they could get to. 2252 02:20:39,401 --> 02:20:43,070 It was hard for Michael to say no, as a kid and as an adult. 2253 02:20:45,907 --> 02:20:48,867 Because he generated so much wealth and so much profit, 2254 02:20:48,952 --> 02:20:50,494 Thomas A. Mesereau, Jr. JACKSON'S ATTORNEY, 2005 TRIAL 2255 02:20:50,578 --> 02:20:52,996 he became the repeated target of unsavoury characters, 2256 02:20:53,081 --> 02:20:54,706 many of them mediocre, 2257 02:20:54,791 --> 02:20:58,293 who tried to get near him, promise him the moon 2258 02:20:58,420 --> 02:21:01,672 and then profit themselves by being around him. 2259 02:21:01,756 --> 02:21:05,592 And I think he received some tremendously bad advice throughout his career 2260 02:21:05,677 --> 02:21:07,052 when it came to finances. 2261 02:21:07,303 --> 02:21:10,639 Michael was an easy touch, 2262 02:21:10,765 --> 02:21:13,559 and anybody could take advantage of him 2263 02:21:13,726 --> 02:21:17,688 just because he trusted everybody's word. 2264 02:21:18,356 --> 02:21:22,067 Michael would bring random people into his life for business deals. 2265 02:21:22,152 --> 02:21:25,904 They would offer him the world and Michael would believe them. 2266 02:21:26,865 --> 02:21:30,826 Michael told me he only committed to 100 shows at the O2 dome 2267 02:21:30,910 --> 02:21:32,453 for his comeback concerts. 2268 02:21:32,662 --> 02:21:35,664 When he found out that he was committed to 50 shows 2269 02:21:35,748 --> 02:21:38,625 and there was no way of getting out of it, 2270 02:21:38,710 --> 02:21:39,751 he snapped. 2271 02:21:40,044 --> 02:21:44,173 He felt like they'd tricked him, he was put up against the wall 2272 02:21:44,883 --> 02:21:48,510 and let down by people, or misled, I should say. 2273 02:21:50,513 --> 02:21:54,641 It was thrown on him by his manager 2274 02:21:55,185 --> 02:22:00,397 and, in his state of mind, he could've said yes to anything. 2275 02:22:00,565 --> 02:22:02,983 After I heard that he was doing those many shows, 2276 02:22:03,067 --> 02:22:04,485 I started calling him, telling him... 2277 02:22:04,611 --> 02:22:07,279 Then I heard how they were gonna do them every other day, 2278 02:22:07,363 --> 02:22:11,116 and I told him he couldn't do it that way. He had to rest. 2279 02:22:11,201 --> 02:22:12,868 And I kept after them. 2280 02:22:16,915 --> 02:22:18,749 The wear and tear 2281 02:22:19,209 --> 02:22:20,918 of all the managers, 2282 02:22:21,336 --> 02:22:24,463 all the promises that they didn't live up to, 2283 02:22:24,631 --> 02:22:26,006 took its toll. 2284 02:22:26,966 --> 02:22:31,553 Probably, a more stronger person would be able to fight through a lot of that, 2285 02:22:31,638 --> 02:22:33,180 and a lot of them have. 2286 02:22:33,431 --> 02:22:36,642 Frank Sinatra, he was pursued the same way, 2287 02:22:37,018 --> 02:22:39,937 but he seemed to be a person who could put people at bay. 2288 02:22:40,230 --> 02:22:44,107 But it seemed like Michael has a certain type of frailty to his self 2289 02:22:44,359 --> 02:22:48,028 and it wouldn't allow him to be very strong-minded 2290 02:22:48,112 --> 02:22:50,906 or to be forceful with a lot of people. 2291 02:22:51,115 --> 02:22:54,326 Everybody he met, he trusted them, for some reason. 2292 02:22:55,286 --> 02:23:01,583 And I think that's why Michael was taken advantage of so much. 2293 02:23:06,089 --> 02:23:08,131 Doctors are human beings, too, 2294 02:23:08,216 --> 02:23:10,092 and they get star-struck, 2295 02:23:10,176 --> 02:23:13,679 and they want a little touch of that fame, 2296 02:23:13,763 --> 02:23:17,849 and they wanna be able to say, "I'm Michael Jackson's doctor." 2297 02:23:18,893 --> 02:23:21,979 Michael would doctor shop, like a lot of celebrities do, 2298 02:23:22,063 --> 02:23:24,481 and he'd find the doctor, 2299 02:23:24,607 --> 02:23:28,986 just the right one, who would do the thing that Michael wanted him to do. 2300 02:23:29,070 --> 02:23:32,656 Michael felt that he needed to escape, 2301 02:23:32,991 --> 02:23:36,493 and he had always been suffering from insomnia, 2302 02:23:36,619 --> 02:23:39,162 from as far back as I can remember. 2303 02:23:39,455 --> 02:23:41,498 Michael Jackson did have a problem. 2304 02:23:41,583 --> 02:23:43,500 Do I believe he was an addict? 2305 02:23:43,626 --> 02:23:46,753 No, I don't believe Michael Jackson was a drug addict. 2306 02:23:47,589 --> 02:23:49,464 He went through cycles. 2307 02:23:49,924 --> 02:23:54,845 It really depended on what was happening in his life and in his world. 2308 02:23:55,096 --> 02:23:58,807 I had no reason to think or believe that he was on drugs 2309 02:23:58,933 --> 02:24:02,019 until my children came to me one time and they said it, 2310 02:24:02,103 --> 02:24:05,022 and I said, "Well, I've never seen him in that shape." 2311 02:24:05,106 --> 02:24:08,025 Then I went to him and ll talked to him about it, 2312 02:24:08,151 --> 02:24:10,152 and he kept denying it. 2313 02:24:13,364 --> 02:24:17,326 I asked him, I said, "Now, Michael, is there any problems I should know about?" 2314 02:24:18,036 --> 02:24:19,328 "What do you mean?" 2315 02:24:19,454 --> 02:24:23,123 I said, "Well, you know, once in a while you seem a little dizzy. 2316 02:24:23,207 --> 02:24:24,458 "You wanna go to rehab?" 2317 02:24:24,709 --> 02:24:29,630 "No. No! There you go. See? Now, why would you assume that? 2318 02:24:29,714 --> 02:24:33,508 "I'm not taking anything, Frank. I'm not doing one thing." 2319 02:24:34,385 --> 02:24:35,969 One of the people working for him said, 2320 02:24:36,054 --> 02:24:39,389 "You won't ever guess what this man is doing to get to sleep." 2321 02:24:39,474 --> 02:24:40,557 And ll said, "What?" 2322 02:24:40,642 --> 02:24:42,976 And I was told he's using an anaesthetic. 2323 02:24:43,061 --> 02:24:45,145 And I said, "What? 2324 02:24:45,647 --> 02:24:49,399 "How do you do that?" I had never heard of such a thing. 2325 02:24:49,567 --> 02:24:54,404 He said, "Dude, I don't know what to tell you, but that's what's going on." 2326 02:24:54,656 --> 02:25:00,160 Unfortunately, he did find doctors who were willing to do this crazy thing 2327 02:25:00,244 --> 02:25:02,829 that ultimately led to his death. 2328 02:25:03,873 --> 02:25:06,249 Fire Paramedic 33. What is the nature of your emergency? 2329 02:25:06,376 --> 02:25:10,212 We have a gentleman here that needs help, he's not breathing. 2330 02:25:10,588 --> 02:25:13,382 We have breaking news for you tonight, 2331 02:25:14,384 --> 02:25:19,012 the singer Michael Jackson is reported to have died from a heart attack. 2332 02:25:27,397 --> 02:25:31,108 I heard that my brother had passed away through my sister Janet, 2333 02:25:31,192 --> 02:25:32,275 Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER 2334 02:25:32,360 --> 02:25:35,612 who asked me to pull over "cause I was rushing over to my mom's. 2335 02:25:37,198 --> 02:25:38,949 I just couldn't believe it. 2336 02:25:40,451 --> 02:25:45,622 So, I had to just sit in my car and pull myself together, 2337 02:25:45,915 --> 02:25:47,874 you know, and I went over to my mom's home. 2338 02:25:50,378 --> 02:25:53,296 The entire family had met that evening, 2339 02:25:53,381 --> 02:25:58,552 and was there condoling each other, you know. 2340 02:26:00,972 --> 02:26:02,305 It was rough. 2341 02:26:02,390 --> 02:26:04,808 Just the whole time was a rough time in my life. 2342 02:26:05,560 --> 02:26:08,145 Rebbie Jackson MICHAEL'S SISTER 2343 02:26:08,229 --> 02:26:11,815 It's so very difficult even to talk about it. It really is. 2344 02:26:20,241 --> 02:26:21,992 I was heartbroken. 2345 02:26:22,952 --> 02:26:25,328 I was just totally heartbroken. 2346 02:26:26,581 --> 02:26:31,835 It was probably one of the most surreal 2347 02:26:31,919 --> 02:26:32,961 Peabo Bryson SINGER 2348 02:26:33,129 --> 02:26:39,676 and solemn days of life as we know it, I would think. 2349 02:26:45,183 --> 02:26:47,642 I was devastated. I started to cry. 2350 02:26:47,727 --> 02:26:48,810 David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND 2351 02:26:49,687 --> 02:26:55,984 We had spent 400 years of our lives as the closest of friends. 2352 02:26:57,320 --> 02:26:59,404 And I couldn't believe it. 2353 02:26:59,822 --> 02:27:02,783 I remember the feeling I got, you know. 2354 02:27:02,867 --> 02:27:04,075 Lamont Dozier SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND 2355 02:27:04,202 --> 02:27:06,870 It was like somebody punching you in the stomach. 2356 02:27:07,205 --> 02:27:09,247 God, it was just so... 2357 02:27:17,048 --> 02:27:19,382 I didn't follow the news a lot. 2358 02:27:20,051 --> 02:27:22,385 I'll tell you why I didn't follow the news. 2359 02:27:22,512 --> 02:27:23,512 Eddie Floyd SINGER & SONGWRITER, STAX RECORDS 2360 02:27:23,596 --> 02:27:29,601 It's because of the people exploiting the man. 2361 02:27:33,940 --> 02:27:35,607 That makes me sad. 2362 02:27:38,277 --> 02:27:40,612 The night that Michael died, 2363 02:27:40,738 --> 02:27:42,948 the next show I did, I mentioned Michael, too. 2364 02:27:43,074 --> 02:27:44,074 Dennis Edwards LEAD SINGER,"THE TEMPTATIONS" 2365 02:27:44,200 --> 02:27:45,951 It just was... 2366 02:27:46,077 --> 02:27:48,328 People just stood up, you know. They stood up. 2367 02:27:48,412 --> 02:27:51,414 And a lot of people took their cigarette lighters out 2368 02:27:51,541 --> 02:27:52,916 and just lit it. 2369 02:27:53,292 --> 02:27:56,795 You know, it's just sad, man. It's sad. 2370 02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:06,596 It's just a sad moment, 2371 02:28:06,722 --> 02:28:11,101 to have to carry one of your brothers to his grave. 2372 02:28:11,769 --> 02:28:16,314 We would perform all night, tell you the truth, every day. 2373 02:28:16,607 --> 02:28:18,900 It's not a good feeling. 2374 02:28:18,985 --> 02:28:22,112 It's a major part of you died with that. 2375 02:28:24,740 --> 02:28:26,950 And there was this man's house, who used to sell candy, 2376 02:28:27,076 --> 02:28:31,288 we used to stop there and just load up, eat candy for days. 2377 02:28:32,915 --> 02:28:34,791 I never lost a child. 2378 02:28:36,752 --> 02:28:41,006 Children are supposed to bury their parents, not parents bury their children. 2379 02:28:41,632 --> 02:28:44,134 And that's what hurt me the most. 2380 02:28:59,692 --> 02:29:04,487 Many days, I go back to his first cry, 2381 02:29:04,614 --> 02:29:07,782 from the doctor slapping him on his butt, 2382 02:29:07,867 --> 02:29:08,992 up till his death. 2383 02:29:10,369 --> 02:29:11,453 But 2384 02:29:16,667 --> 02:29:22,672 all the memories of Michael are fond to me. I can't pick out any particular. 2385 02:29:31,182 --> 02:29:33,683 I'm happy with the children here, 2386 02:29:33,851 --> 02:29:37,687 and at the same time, I'm sad because their father's gone. 2387 02:29:38,189 --> 02:29:41,524 They always say, "Daddy did it this way. 2388 02:29:41,692 --> 02:29:44,861 "Daddy used to do this. Daddy used to do that." 2389 02:29:46,989 --> 02:29:50,033 Those kids are so proud of their father. 2390 02:29:52,244 --> 02:29:54,204 I can't find words. 2391 02:29:57,875 --> 02:30:00,377 To me, it's just such a loss, too soon. 2392 02:30:00,503 --> 02:30:01,711 Eddie Holland SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND 2393 02:30:04,173 --> 02:30:05,548 It left such a gap and made us see what was missing. 2394 02:30:05,675 --> 02:30:06,675 Valerie Simpson & Nickolas Ashford 2395 02:30:06,759 --> 02:30:07,801 SINGERS & SONGWRITERS, "ASHFORD & SIMPSON" 2396 02:30:07,885 --> 02:30:10,303 Why hadn't we embraced him? Why hadn't we loved him? 2397 02:30:10,388 --> 02:30:13,056 He gave us so much love 2398 02:30:13,849 --> 02:30:16,101 and so much wonderful music. 2399 02:30:16,894 --> 02:30:20,397 And I think that this is what we'll always remember him for. 2400 02:30:23,275 --> 02:30:26,695 I love the fact that everything he sang, he sang from his heart. 2401 02:30:26,779 --> 02:30:30,740 And I love listening to him singing, every record he's ever recorded. 2402 02:30:32,284 --> 02:30:37,247 Michael's legacy is that he will be known as the greatest entertainer ever. 2403 02:30:38,499 --> 02:30:39,666 Michael was a great talent. 2404 02:30:39,750 --> 02:30:42,961 He was the best overall talent that I've ever seen in my life, 2405 02:30:43,087 --> 02:30:45,255 and I've been following talent since I was three years old. 2406 02:30:47,258 --> 02:30:48,633 He was the best I ever saw. 2407 02:30:51,429 --> 02:30:55,306 I'll remember that little boy that I met when he was 10 years old, 2408 02:30:55,433 --> 02:30:56,433 Dionne Warwick SINGER 2409 02:30:56,517 --> 02:31:02,480 that little feisty, cute, incredibly talented youngster, 2410 02:31:03,149 --> 02:31:08,945 that went on to become one of the greatest entertainers that ever lived. 2411 02:31:10,448 --> 02:31:12,115 There's only one Michael Jackson. 2412 02:31:14,952 --> 02:31:17,537 To me and my children, 2413 02:31:17,621 --> 02:31:18,705 Percy Sledge SINGER 2414 02:31:18,789 --> 02:31:20,457 he meant so much to our lives. 2415 02:31:22,293 --> 02:31:25,795 He was, to me, the greatest entertainer I had ever seen in my life. 2416 02:31:25,880 --> 02:31:27,130 Whitney Houston SINGER 2417 02:31:27,214 --> 02:31:30,133 He was a gentleman and he was very kind. 2418 02:31:30,843 --> 02:31:33,303 And I'll always love him, always. 2419 02:31:35,639 --> 02:31:37,766 He was one of the warmest 2420 02:31:37,850 --> 02:31:41,394 and most loveable persons you could ever meet. 2421 02:31:43,814 --> 02:31:47,400 I think Michael's greatest achievement, throughout his life, 2422 02:31:48,527 --> 02:31:50,612 was making people happy, 2423 02:31:50,696 --> 02:31:52,322 helping people. 2424 02:31:52,406 --> 02:31:57,202 If somebody needed an operation, or a family starving that needed food, 2425 02:31:57,328 --> 02:32:00,538 he would send over groceries for a year and things like that. 2426 02:32:00,873 --> 02:32:03,708 I think that's where he really got his enjoyment, 2427 02:32:03,918 --> 02:32:07,921 seeing somebody sad become happy. 2428 02:32:08,047 --> 02:32:12,258 Those are the things he really wanted to achieve that was beyond the music. 2429 02:32:13,260 --> 02:32:18,348 We will remember him as this great showman and humanitarian. 2430 02:32:24,105 --> 02:32:25,271 When people say to me, 2431 02:32:25,356 --> 02:32:27,315 "Do you think of Michael as being a tragedy?" 2432 02:32:27,399 --> 02:32:29,192 I just don't think of that at all. 2433 02:32:29,276 --> 02:32:32,529 I think that Michael's story is one of triumph. 2434 02:32:33,739 --> 02:32:38,076 This is a man who was the total embodiment of the American dream. 2435 02:32:38,202 --> 02:32:43,373 This is a guy who came out of Gary, Indiana, and set the world on fire. 2436 02:32:43,582 --> 02:32:45,375 He did amazing things with his life. 2437 02:32:45,584 --> 02:32:47,293 Did he make mistakes? Yes. 2438 02:32:47,419 --> 02:32:50,964 But that's the humanity of Michael Jackson, I think, that's most appealing. 2439 02:32:51,382 --> 02:32:53,967 He wanted to make the world a better place. 2440 02:32:54,301 --> 02:32:57,470 That spirit of his is still around now. 2441 02:32:58,055 --> 02:33:03,101 The part that I loved the most about him was that gentle friend side. 2442 02:33:03,394 --> 02:33:05,812 All the other things, everybody knows about. 2443 02:33:05,980 --> 02:33:08,648 But that part of Michael, that's the part I love. 2444 02:33:09,233 --> 02:33:10,733 God bless Michael Jackson, you know, "cause he was one of the greatest. 2445 02:33:10,901 --> 02:33:11,901 Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff 2446 02:33:11,986 --> 02:33:14,486 PRODUCERS & SONGWRITERS, PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS 2447 02:33:15,239 --> 02:33:20,827 Michael Jackson became the biggest pop star of all time 2448 02:33:21,745 --> 02:33:24,747 but that's not how I'm gonna remember him, 2449 02:33:24,915 --> 02:33:28,168 because he was just one great human being. 2450 02:33:29,962 --> 02:33:33,089 Rest well, my friend. I love you, M. 2451 02:33:34,425 --> 02:33:39,929 Katherine, how do you feel Michael Jackson will be remembered? 2452 02:33:41,098 --> 02:33:45,935 Well, David, Michael practised one thing, and it was from his heart, 2453 02:33:46,770 --> 02:33:48,938 L-O-V-E, love. 2454 02:33:49,815 --> 02:33:54,152 And I think he will be remembered for the love that he had for the world, 2455 02:33:54,278 --> 02:33:55,945 and especially for his fans, 2456 02:33:56,697 --> 02:33:58,448 and his family. 2457 02:33:58,991 --> 02:34:00,658 - Thank you so much. - Okay. 2458 02:34:00,784 --> 02:34:03,870 - I love you. Can I have a big hug? - Of course. 2458 02:34:04,305 --> 02:35:04,335 Please rate this subtitle at www.osdb.link/wpz9 Help other users to choose the best subtitles 215058

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