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- Hollywood is glitz, glamour.
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There is no way to separate
Los Angeles from the movies.
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It'd be like if youripped the beating heart
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out of someone's chest.
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You can't do it.
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- The film industry was always
baked into LA, in its history.
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And back in the '90s,Larry Austin
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was the keeper of the flame.
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He was the high priest
of silent cinema.
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- The Silent Movie Theater
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was Larry Austin'slifelong passion.
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But like so many dreamsin the City of Angels,
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it all came crashing down.
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[suspenseful music]
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- The murder shocked everybody
because it came out of nowhere.
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[gunshots]
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And then you find out
that what was real...
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[gunshot]
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Was a lot different
than what you're seeing.
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- The city itself
is all make-believe.
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What you see is
not what you get.
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- They didn't know
they were being victimized.
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- There was a secret liaison.
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- The assets
of the Silent Movie Theater
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included cash,
original prints, and films.
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- His estate was about
$3 million to $3 1/2 million.
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- People have died for so
much less than $3.5 million.
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Detectives, of course,
had one question.
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Who benefits?
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[dramatic music]
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- Los Angelesin the late 1990s
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was a city spreadingits wings to embrace
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an exciting new future.
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- Back then, we were
coming out of the scourge
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of the crack epidemic, with
its violent crime activity.
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There was definitely some
transitioning going on.
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- Los Angeles wasundergoing a metamorphosis,
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and there wasan explosion of culture.
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There was an influx
of skater kids.
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There was a lot being triedout that was new and different
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in West Coast rap.
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It was misfitsand mad geniuses.
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LA in the 1990s, it was
a really cool place to be.
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- But as the citytransformed,
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people who wanted to connectwith old Los Angeles
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could still find itat the Silent Movie Theater
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in the local Fairfax District.
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- My name is Joan Renner,and I'm an author,
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investigative historian.
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And I cover LA cases,old ones primarily.
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The Silent Movie Theater,
they had a dedicated audience
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who went, really, every week.
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It drew people like me,
who loved movies.
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- But the feelingof magic and wonder
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would be forever silencedon January 17, 1997.
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- The Silent Movie Theaterwas going to have
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its sixth-year anniversary.
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And there was that feeling of
sort of a Hollywood premiere.
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Lawrence Austin, the owner,was very excited about it.
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In the auditorium,people are laughing.
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They're having a good time.
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But there's a noise.
There's a pop...
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[gunshot]
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Like someone
dropped a light bulb.
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And then there
was a louder pop.
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[gunshot]
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And that's when the audience
realized that it's a gunshot.
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They start to
drop to the floor.
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[gunshot]
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- I'm LAPDDeputy Chief Alan Hamilton.
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Friday, January 17th,
while I'm out at dinner,
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my pager goes off.
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We just had a shootingover on Fairfax
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at the Silent Movie Theater.
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When I arrived at the location,
there were a number of people
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outside of the theater.
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I found out from the officers
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that we have two people downin the lobby.
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And one of them
did not survive.
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- Detectivesquickly head inside
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to take in the devastationthe killer left behind.
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Near the entranceto the lobby,
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paramedics are workingfuriously
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to save the life of a victim
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who's quickly losingconsciousness.
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- My name is John Miller.
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In January of 1997,
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I was working
out of the Homicide Unit
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of the Hollywood Division
of the LAPD.
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One victim wasjust a young girl
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that worked at the theater.
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She was 19, and her
name was Mary Giles.
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The detective knew her
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because her grandfather
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was a retired
Los Angeles police officer.
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She was immediatelytaken by rescue
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to Cedars because she had
a gunshot wound to her chest.
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- When Detective Miller andI went through the lobby,
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we see a second victim behind
the concession counter.
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He was deceased.
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Witnesses thathad come out told us
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this was the owner of
the theater, Lawrence Austin.
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- Mr. Austin is an elderlywhite male, 74 years of age.
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And he was on the floor.
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I saw three distinctbullet wounds--
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one in the head,
one in the torso,
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and then there was one
in the upper thigh.
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But we didn't find a gun.
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- And we were not able to
find any shell casings.
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- When I lookeddown at the body,
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there was a bag of money.
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It was less than $500.
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Some of the money
was even bloodied.
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- In the Hollywood area,
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there had been a high
incidence of robbery
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at that time of the night.
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So we were opento the possibility
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that it wasa robbery gone bad.
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And, you know,
maybe it's someone
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that was not a mature criminal,
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and they just panicked and fled
without all the cash.
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There was blood spatter,
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and then there wasa blood smear
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on the counter and some
of the glass.
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- In order to unpack exactlywhat happened that night,
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detectives headoutside to interview
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some of the witnesses.
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- We had some of the patrons
that were there
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that were crying and some that
were very physically shaken up.
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We were told there hadbeen a movie going on,
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and this personcame in the lobby
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and shot these two people.
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Then the individual
fired rounds
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inside of the theaterin the dark,
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possiblyto scare the crowd.
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Then that suspect
ran out the back door
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into the alley that
parallels Fairfax
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and fled from the area.
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- Running out the back, firing
rounds into the theater,
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that didn't make sense.
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With robberies, you come andtake the money, and you leave.
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- I just don't know a whole
lot of criminal suspects
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that are going to go
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towards the maximum number
of witnesses.
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But, unfortunately, no one
had seen his facial features.
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- After that, we walkedthrough the theater.
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Then we noticed that there
was a couple of bullet holes
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high on the wall.
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- A young man that identified
himself as James Van Sickle,
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who was the projectionist,
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he assisted usby obtaining a ladder
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to look up at the wall
to see if that was actually
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a bullet impact, which it was.
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- Our ScientificInvestigation Division
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dug the bulletout of the wall.
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And we could tell that it was
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a .357 magnum bullet.
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- We also had a fingerprinttechnician come in.
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They dust.
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They do laser analysis,
spectrum wave analysis
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for both trace evidence
and for fingerprints.
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We try to get thingslike footprints.
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But, forensically, we didn't
really find anything
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that was immediately
identifiable.
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- While the CSI teamcontinues to scrub
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the scene for evidence,detectives ask Van Sickle
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what he knowsabout the victims.
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- He appeared distraught about
what occurred with Miss Giles
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and with Mr. Austin.
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He told us that he workedat the theater
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for quite some period of time.
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And he was helpful,
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in terms of giving
us background information.
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- My name is Michael F. Blake,
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and I was friendswith Larry Austin.
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Larry's death hit
everybody hard
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in the silent-movie community,because he was very kind.
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And the Silent Movie Theater
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was the only
silent-movie theater
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in the world.
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- It was founded by a youngcouple in the 1940s
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who loved movies.
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Lawrence wentto Fairfax High School
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in the 1940s.
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And he lived justa couple of blocks
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away from the movie theater,
so he became obsessed with it.
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John and Dorothy Hammond, whoowned the theater at the time,
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really took Larryin kind of as a son
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because he lovedthe theater so much.
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But then the theatershuttered in 1979.
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And it just sat there, derelict
and neglected and vacant.
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And John Hammond died in 1990.
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Running a theater wasnot something his widow
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wanted to do on her own.
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What she did was instead
sign it over to Larry.
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And he just breathednew life into it.
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He fixed the broken seats.
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He did everything
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- My name is Chris Perkins,
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and I met Larry Austinin 1993.
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He looked like a classic,
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quintessential kind of fringe
Hollywood character.
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He would wearthese leisure suits.
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And he had thisred turban of hair
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that kind of flopped over,
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but he would wrap itaround his head.
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And the Silent Movie Theater
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was a reflectionof his persona.
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- Whenthe Silent Movie Theater
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reopened under Larry in 1991,
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he pulled out all the stops.
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He had lights up in the sky
like an old movie premiere.
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And there was a guy there
with a bagpipe playing
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as the audience came in.
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And it gave usa sense of Old Hollywood
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that maybe neverreally existed,
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but you felt it existed.
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Larry loved what he did.
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He loved walking down the aisle
to "Pomp and Circumstance"
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and saying to everybody,
hello, welcome to the world's
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only silent-movie theater.
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And one of the great
things Larry did,
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he managed to bring in
a whole new audience
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of younger people.
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They loved it.It was a godsend.
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- Larry Austin was the high
priest of silent cinema.
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He was the last man on Earth
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that was the keeper
of the flame.
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After he had died,people were heartbroken.
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They were shocked.
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He was a great person,
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important
to the cinematic community.
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Everybody was trying
to figure out
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who would want to murder Larry,
and there was no answer.
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In my mind, he had no enemies.
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- The fact that Larryhad no known enemies
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gives credence tothe theory that this
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was a robbery gone wrong.
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But detectives fear their onlyopportunity to find the killer
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may be slipping away.
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- We quickly realized
there's really
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only one person alive that got
a good look at the murderer.
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And that's the other victim,
Miss Giles.
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But she was severely
traumatically injured,
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and we don't know if she's
going to survive this.
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- Coming up...
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[gunshot]
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- They actually worked
together at a company.
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So they knew each other.
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- We determined
that he had actually
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served time for embezzlement.
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- He was charged
with an attempted murder.
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[gunshot]
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- He looked at this compositeof this murder suspect
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and said, this
looks just like you.
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And he said, that is me.
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I'm the one
who did the killing.
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[dramatic music]
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- In the early-morning hoursof January 18, 1997,
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Detectives Miller and Hamiltonrace to Cedars-Sinai Hospital.
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They hope that Mary Gilessurvived the night.
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She may have beenthe only person
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to catch a glimpseof the shooter
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who killed Larry Austinin what appears
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to be a robbery gone wrong.
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- 6:00 or 7:00 inthe morning,
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Al and I went to
Cedars-Sinai Hospital
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to talk to Mary Giles.
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And I'm expecting
she's going to be waiting,
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either for surgery or
just come out of surgery.
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But when I get up to the
room, Mary's standing up,
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and her cousins
are dressing her.
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That bullet went fromher chest to her shoulder
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and did not hit
one vital organ.
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- Miss Giles wasclearly traumatized.
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But she was going to survive.
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- She did ask aboutMr. Austin,
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and I did tell her
that he was dead.
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When I looked at her face,
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I could tellthat it had saddened her.
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- As Mary begins to speak,her voice wavers.
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But she has a clear memoryof how the night began.
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- She says, I wasat the concession stand.
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I was reading a book.
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And a guy came in, and he
asked to see the manager.
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- She had brought
Mr. Austin over to him.
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And Mr. Austin went kindof behind the counter.
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And then the guy
immediately drew a gun,
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demanded the money.
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And while Austin was putting
the money in the bag,
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he just shot him...
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[gunshot]
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Point blank,
right in the eye.
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* *
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- And then the shooter
turns toward her.
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* *
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And he shoots her in the chest.
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[gunshot]
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And she goes down.
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- And then she heard
two more shots...
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[gunshots]
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Which we know from
our investigation
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that he went back and
shot Austin twice.
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- At this point, she's
got to be petrified
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because she doesn't know
if he's going to come back
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and shoot her again.
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* *
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- Fortunately for us,
Miss Giles had
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a clear recollection of what
this individual looked like.
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- She did notrecognize him.
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Well, she said that the suspect
was a male Hispanic.
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He had dark hair, and he
was holding a revolver.
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* *
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- Miss Giles remembered that
the individual was dressed
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in, like,
an artsy-type garb,
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wardrobe.
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But he was wearing an apple
cap, like an artist cap,
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and a dark coat.
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- After speaking with Mary,detectives continue
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to ponder the robbery theory.
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But something isnagging at them.
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* *
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- What stood outwith this shooting
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was that this individual would
fire at someone
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after not encountering any kind
of resistance to asking
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for money or anything else.
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And there wasactually cash still there
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that hadn't been taken.
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So maybe that robbery
is not the goal
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and is not the intended
purpose of that violent act.
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- But if robberywasn't the motive,
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was this a personal attackby someone Larry knew?
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Anxious to find out if thereare any skeletons buried deep
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in Larry's closet,
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detectives begin tracking downthose closest to him.
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- Three days after the murder,
Monday, January 20th,
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the detectives go and speak
to a nephew, Dennis Horner,
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to see if he can fillin some blanks for them.
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- When I talked
to Dennis Horner,
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he told us that hisuncle loved that theater
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and he had always been attached
to silent movies.
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He wanted to be a part of
the legacy of Hollywood.
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* *
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- He tells detectives,
Larry often told people
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that his dad and his uncle
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were silent-film actors
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and his mother wasa seamstress
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for the great directorCecil B. DeMille.
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But none of that was true.
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* *
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- His father was not
in the business,
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nor did his mother make things
for Cecil B. DeMille.
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The Larry Austin that was
real was a lot different
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than the Larry Austin
everybody knew
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at the Silent Movie Theater.
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- I was not remotely shocked
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that he had created
this fake biography
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because I think
he genuinely had a passion
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for silent-movie history.
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- It's always themagic of the city.
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It's all make-believe.
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What you see is whatthey want you to see.
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Austin was a good exampleof that.
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He lied to make himself
closer to this movie life
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that he wanted.
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- Larry's version of his life,
as told by Larry Austin,
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was kind of like, well,if it isn't a true story,
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it should be.
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- If Larry was willing to lieto sew himself
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into the fabric of Hollywoodhistory,
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just how far would he go
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to protectthe image he had created?
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Had he crossedsomeone along the way?
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- As partof our investigation,
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we look into Mr. Austin'sbackground,
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and we determine
that he actually served time
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for embezzlement at a company
that he worked at
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years prior to his ownershipof the Silent Movie Theater.
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- Larry's white liesand past mistakes
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have detectivescontemplating a new theory.
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- We thought that maybethe theater was struggling
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and he had embezzled
from someone recent,
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because if you cheatthe wrong person,
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it can create a motive
for a murder.
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[dramatic music]
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* *
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- In January 1997,
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one week after the murderof Larry Austin,
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LAPD homicide detectives
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have just learnedthat Mr. Austin
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has a historyof financial crimes.
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And while investigatorsbegin to unravel
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the mysteryof Larry Austin's past,
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the media attention ramps up.
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- This is a case, it reallydoes resonate with people.
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People were grieving,
people locally,
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00:18:50,897 --> 00:18:53,867
people from around the world,
because he performed
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this important function, making
this bridge between the past
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and the present.
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- It was devastating
news to hear.
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He was a wonderful man.
He was a great friend.
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- This is a man engagedin a gentle, quiet occupation
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who's brutally murdered
in a place that he loves.
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- And it startedgetting the attention
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00:19:12,185 --> 00:19:15,455
of a lot of the crime showsthat were happening back then,
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00:19:15,488 --> 00:19:17,924
including
"America's Most Wanted."
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- The detectives agreeto appear on the show.
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And on the program,
they interview the detectives
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about the crime scene.
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And they talkto James Van Sickle,
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who knew Larry very well and
is the theater's projectionist.
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00:19:32,339 --> 00:19:35,408
- Knowing that theateremployee Mary Giles
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remembers the faceof her attacker,
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00:19:37,577 --> 00:19:40,580
the detectives decideto use the show's resources
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to help leveragethat information.
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00:19:43,316 --> 00:19:46,753
- The producers offered to notonly profile it on their show
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00:19:46,786 --> 00:19:48,855
but provide
the forensic services
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00:19:48,888 --> 00:19:52,058
of one of their sketch artists,
Jeannie Boylan.
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So we picked Mary up and tookher to meet with Miss Boylan
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and go over the incident
at length.
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* *
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After we obtained the sketch,we released it to the media.
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00:20:05,638 --> 00:20:07,607
And we then ran
"America's Most Wanted"
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nationwide so that we
could get the sketch
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00:20:09,976 --> 00:20:11,177
out there to the public.
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00:20:11,211 --> 00:20:13,480
* *
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00:20:13,513 --> 00:20:16,116
- To ensure maximum impact,
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the detectives up the ante.
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- LAPD offers a $25,000 reward.
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And so now they're readyto take tips
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from the public.
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This could be the making
of the case right here.
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* *
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00:20:32,332 --> 00:20:35,502
- As they wait to see thepublic response to the photo,
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detectives dig intoLarry Austin's bank records
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and hope to find cluesto lead them to the killer.
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00:20:41,374 --> 00:20:45,478
- When we look back
at Mr. Austin's finances,
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ownership of the theater,we determine
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that there was basically a
little bit of a financial mess.
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And with Mr. Austinhaving a prior conviction
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for embezzlement,we needed to determine
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if that was perhaps a motive
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or perhaps somehow related
to the murder.
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So, in order to unravelquite a document trail,
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we engaged our experts
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out of our
Commercial Crimes Division.
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* *
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- My name isDetective Dave Harned.
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I was a detective assigned
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to Financial Crimes Divisionin 1997.
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The first thing
we did was do search warrants
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on Larry Austin's accountsto see what was happening.
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- The value of the assetsof the Silent Movie Theater
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included cash, property
and original prints,
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original films.
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- We found thatLarry Austin's estate
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was about $3 million
to $3 1/2 million.
477
00:21:42,002 --> 00:21:43,803
- There's no signof embezzlement,
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00:21:43,837 --> 00:21:46,706
and it appears that mostof Larry's wealth and accounts
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are connected to the operationof the theater.
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But asthe Financial Crimes Unit
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continues to unravelthe details,
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they find a potentialsmoking gun.
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- After his death,
it appeared that money
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was being diverted out
of the accounts of the victim.
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So we contacted the bank
and asked for them
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to freeze the account.
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- And when detectivesreached out to the bank,
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they realized that there were
two signatures on the account.
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One was Larry.
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One was James Van Sickle.
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It's really odd.
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Why would the projectionist
of the theater
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be sharing an account
with the theater owner?
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* *
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- At this point,seven days after the shooting,
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we felt that it would be
essential that we
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reinterview James Van Sickle.
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00:22:36,923 --> 00:22:39,993
- Investigators quickly followup with James Van Sickle
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to ask whyhe's diverting money
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from the victim's account.
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- During the interview,
Mr. Van Sickle
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notified us that he
and Lawrence Austin
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were business partnersin the theater.
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* *
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- Van Sickle was 34 years old
506
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and had gotten a position in
the theater as a projectionist
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five years before.
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And then after a while,
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Larry wanted himto be his business partner.
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- Mr. Van Sickleidentified himself
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as the business manager
of the corporation.
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So we thought that that waskind of strange
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because, initially, when we met
with Mr. Van Sickle,
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he identified himself
as the projectionist.
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He never really mentionedthis information at all.
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- Detectives find outthat a week after the murder,
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the theater was still open.
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So James Van Sickle told
detectives,
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00:23:34,214 --> 00:23:37,083
look, I'm still trying
to operate the theater.
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I've got expenses.
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Freezing the account is
not serving me well at all.
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I need to get to the money.
523
00:23:45,091 --> 00:23:47,560
- Van Sickle isvery forthcoming,
524
00:23:47,594 --> 00:23:49,963
but with so muchmoney involved,
525
00:23:49,996 --> 00:23:52,665
detectives can't takehis story at face value
526
00:23:52,699 --> 00:23:56,002
and need to continuetheir questioning.
527
00:23:56,102 --> 00:24:00,140
- People have died for
so much less than $3.5 million.
528
00:24:00,173 --> 00:24:01,508
Are you kidding?
529
00:24:01,541 --> 00:24:05,211
That kind of a motive
is compelling.
530
00:24:05,245 --> 00:24:07,547
- We certainly had tolook into the business
531
00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:10,216
to try and determine
if that was somehow related
532
00:24:10,250 --> 00:24:11,918
to this violent act.
533
00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:15,155
And Mr. Van Sickle still had
a lot of questions to answer.
534
00:24:23,063 --> 00:24:25,632
[dramatic music]
535
00:24:25,899 --> 00:24:31,204
* *
536
00:24:31,237 --> 00:24:34,207
- LAPD detectives have justlearned that James Van Sickle
537
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,376
is more than justthe projectionist
538
00:24:36,409 --> 00:24:37,844
at LA's Silent Movie Theater.
539
00:24:37,877 --> 00:24:39,579
He's the business partner
540
00:24:39,612 --> 00:24:42,882
of slain theater ownerLarry Austin.
541
00:24:42,916 --> 00:24:45,552
So they continue topress him for details
542
00:24:45,585 --> 00:24:49,222
about his involvementin the business.
543
00:24:49,255 --> 00:24:50,824
- Mr. Austin had passed away,
544
00:24:50,857 --> 00:24:54,627
and there was still money being
withdrawn from the account.
545
00:24:54,661 --> 00:24:57,263
So we were lookingat why James Van Sickle
546
00:24:57,297 --> 00:24:59,566
was taking money.
547
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:01,568
He was saying
he needed those funds
548
00:25:01,601 --> 00:25:04,037
to help the theater go ahead.
549
00:25:04,037 --> 00:25:07,173
- Not only that, but he says,
I'm having a special memorial
550
00:25:07,207 --> 00:25:11,678
for Larry at this trendy
restaurant near the theater,
551
00:25:11,711 --> 00:25:14,614
and I'm running out of cash.
552
00:25:14,647 --> 00:25:16,816
- Then Van Sickle
553
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:20,954
offers a completelyunexpected admission.
554
00:25:21,054 --> 00:25:22,722
- Mr. Van Sickle
became emotional,
555
00:25:22,756 --> 00:25:26,626
and he said there was
more than just a business
556
00:25:26,659 --> 00:25:29,295
and friendship relationship.
557
00:25:29,329 --> 00:25:31,765
* *
558
00:25:31,798 --> 00:25:35,268
- He said, well,
yeah, you know,
559
00:25:35,301 --> 00:25:39,072
Larry and I were
originally lovers.
560
00:25:39,072 --> 00:25:40,974
* *
561
00:25:41,074 --> 00:25:43,810
- Mr. Austin was gay,but he wouldn't admit to it.
562
00:25:43,843 --> 00:25:47,947
He was not openly gay.
563
00:25:47,981 --> 00:25:51,484
This was a secret liaison
564
00:25:51,518 --> 00:25:53,820
with Van Sickle.
565
00:25:53,853 --> 00:25:56,623
- He said, our relationshipended amicably.
566
00:25:56,656 --> 00:25:59,559
And after that,
I became a partner
567
00:25:59,592 --> 00:26:01,861
in the business.
568
00:26:01,895 --> 00:26:03,863
- It became clearthat he had
569
00:26:03,897 --> 00:26:08,468
a pretty close relationship
with Mr. Austin.
570
00:26:08,501 --> 00:26:12,105
And we felt that he couldbe a suspect in this murder.
571
00:26:12,138 --> 00:26:16,176
Maybe it's something personal
between the two of them.
572
00:26:16,209 --> 00:26:18,078
But then you alsostart thinking,
573
00:26:18,111 --> 00:26:21,314
well, maybe it was one of those
situations where Mr. Austin
574
00:26:21,348 --> 00:26:25,051
was maybe not able to take care
of the business anymore,
575
00:26:25,051 --> 00:26:27,053
and Mr. Van Sickle was
taking a greater role.
576
00:26:27,053 --> 00:26:29,756
So all of those questionswere part of the discussion
577
00:26:29,789 --> 00:26:31,324
at that point.
578
00:26:31,358 --> 00:26:34,594
* *
579
00:26:34,627 --> 00:26:36,229
- While detectives contend
580
00:26:36,262 --> 00:26:38,498
with theselingering questions,
581
00:26:38,531 --> 00:26:41,067
Larry's friendscelebrate a man
582
00:26:41,067 --> 00:26:44,671
who was larger than life.
583
00:26:44,704 --> 00:26:46,840
- Larry's funeral takes place
584
00:26:46,873 --> 00:26:49,843
at a Mormon church
in North Hollywood.
585
00:26:49,876 --> 00:26:51,678
A lot of people were there
that I knew
586
00:26:51,711 --> 00:26:53,079
from the Silent Movie Theater,
587
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:56,649
either my friends
or people I had seen
588
00:26:56,683 --> 00:27:00,353
at various screenings.
589
00:27:00,387 --> 00:27:02,522
- There were a lotof very interesting people
590
00:27:02,555 --> 00:27:04,224
giving tributes to Larry.
591
00:27:04,257 --> 00:27:06,393
They said that he was thishigh priest of silent cinema,
592
00:27:06,426 --> 00:27:08,661
you know, taking the torchfrom Valentino
593
00:27:08,695 --> 00:27:11,865
and D.W. Griffith.
594
00:27:11,898 --> 00:27:15,101
He genuinely had
a passion for silent film.
595
00:27:15,135 --> 00:27:18,371
That was electrifying for him.
596
00:27:18,405 --> 00:27:22,042
- James Van Sickle
purchased Larry's headstone.
597
00:27:22,075 --> 00:27:25,912
And it had Larry's name,
birth, and death.
598
00:27:25,945 --> 00:27:29,182
And on the bottom,
it said "the silent master."
599
00:27:29,215 --> 00:27:32,619
James chose somebody
to sing "My Way,"
600
00:27:32,652 --> 00:27:35,221
which kind of fits Larry.
601
00:27:35,255 --> 00:27:37,223
* *
602
00:27:37,257 --> 00:27:42,162
And I remember Larry's deathhit everybody hard.
603
00:27:42,195 --> 00:27:45,331
And there were a lot of peoplethat were sad that Larry died
604
00:27:45,365 --> 00:27:48,234
because his theater was
kind of like a second home
605
00:27:48,268 --> 00:27:50,136
for a lot of us.
606
00:27:50,170 --> 00:27:52,539
- I was a pallbearer,along with James.
607
00:27:52,572 --> 00:27:54,708
And I remember Jameswas getting very upset.
608
00:27:54,741 --> 00:27:56,109
He was shaking.
609
00:27:56,142 --> 00:27:58,378
And I went,
and I put my arm around James.
610
00:27:58,411 --> 00:27:59,779
And, you know, he's crying,
611
00:27:59,813 --> 00:28:02,015
and I'm like,
it's okay, buddy, it's okay.
612
00:28:02,015 --> 00:28:04,084
- The ideathat this grieving man,
613
00:28:04,117 --> 00:28:06,786
one of Larry Austin'sclosest friends,
614
00:28:06,820 --> 00:28:09,322
had somethingto do with his murder
615
00:28:09,356 --> 00:28:10,857
is hard to believe.
616
00:28:10,890 --> 00:28:12,659
So detectives knowthey'll need to do
617
00:28:12,692 --> 00:28:15,462
some more digginginto Van Sickle.
618
00:28:15,495 --> 00:28:20,033
But before they do, theyreceive a startling new lead.
619
00:28:21,768 --> 00:28:25,672
- The middle of February
of 1997, we got a tip.
620
00:28:25,705 --> 00:28:28,208
And we meet this young man.
621
00:28:28,241 --> 00:28:30,443
He told us that he was friendswith this guy,
622
00:28:30,477 --> 00:28:32,112
Christian Rodriguez.
623
00:28:32,145 --> 00:28:34,447
And he said,we were out driving
624
00:28:34,481 --> 00:28:35,815
a couple of nights ago,
625
00:28:35,849 --> 00:28:38,051
he says, and I had the paper.
626
00:28:38,051 --> 00:28:40,854
And I looked at the front page,
627
00:28:40,887 --> 00:28:44,057
and there was this composite
of this murder suspect.
628
00:28:44,057 --> 00:28:46,493
And I showed it to Christian.
629
00:28:46,526 --> 00:28:49,062
And I said, this
looks just like you.
630
00:28:49,062 --> 00:28:52,132
And Christian said, that is me.
631
00:28:52,165 --> 00:28:52,932
[gunshot]
632
00:28:52,966 --> 00:28:56,269
I'm the one
who did the killing.
633
00:28:56,302 --> 00:28:59,072
* *
634
00:28:59,105 --> 00:29:02,442
After we got this information,
we run Christian Rodriguez.
635
00:29:02,475 --> 00:29:05,612
And we get some hits on him...
636
00:29:05,645 --> 00:29:07,647
but no crimes of violence.
637
00:29:07,681 --> 00:29:09,015
They were misdemeanors.
638
00:29:09,049 --> 00:29:11,484
He was a very young kid,about 20.
639
00:29:11,518 --> 00:29:15,722
He wasn't what I would consider
a hard-nosed criminal.
640
00:29:15,755 --> 00:29:17,424
We look at some of the photos,
641
00:29:17,457 --> 00:29:20,527
and the one photo looksexactly like the composite.
642
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,697
And so we realized that
Christian Rodriguez
643
00:29:23,730 --> 00:29:25,432
might be the shooter.
644
00:29:25,465 --> 00:29:27,500
* *
645
00:29:27,534 --> 00:29:30,470
But then we needed a motive.
646
00:29:30,503 --> 00:29:34,341
- Investigators begin to diginto Rodriguez's background,
647
00:29:34,374 --> 00:29:38,345
looking for anything else thatmight tie him to the crime.
648
00:29:38,378 --> 00:29:43,049
- He was a very young kid,
uneducated, unskilled.
649
00:29:43,049 --> 00:29:45,652
And he was struggling.He needed money.
650
00:29:45,685 --> 00:29:47,654
He wasn't going anywhere.
651
00:29:47,687 --> 00:29:50,390
He had a wife and a baby.
652
00:29:50,423 --> 00:29:52,926
- And then they hiton something
653
00:29:52,959 --> 00:29:55,762
that stops them deadin their tracks.
654
00:29:55,795 --> 00:29:57,831
- We look into his employment.
655
00:29:57,864 --> 00:30:00,000
Mr. Rodriguez had worked
at R&D Lighting
656
00:30:00,033 --> 00:30:02,135
in Redondo Beach, California...
657
00:30:02,168 --> 00:30:04,137
with Mr. Van Sickle.
658
00:30:06,072 --> 00:30:09,743
- James Van Sickle and
Christian Rodriguez actually
659
00:30:09,776 --> 00:30:12,846
worked together at a company.
660
00:30:12,879 --> 00:30:16,850
This isa breaking-wide-open moment.
661
00:30:16,883 --> 00:30:18,685
They knew each other.
662
00:30:27,093 --> 00:30:29,529
[dramatic music]
663
00:30:29,796 --> 00:30:34,534
* *
664
00:30:34,567 --> 00:30:37,537
- LAPD investigators have justlearned that the man
665
00:30:37,570 --> 00:30:39,372
who may have shotLarry Austin,
666
00:30:39,406 --> 00:30:41,541
19-year-oldChristian Rodriguez,
667
00:30:41,574 --> 00:30:44,010
once workedwith their other key suspect,
668
00:30:44,044 --> 00:30:49,015
Larry's business partner andformer lover James Van Sickle.
669
00:30:49,049 --> 00:30:50,784
And now there'sno time to waste
670
00:30:50,817 --> 00:30:54,254
tracking Christian Rodriguezdown to get some answers.
671
00:30:54,287 --> 00:30:56,723
* *
672
00:30:56,756 --> 00:31:00,260
- We set about to try andidentify where he was living.
673
00:31:00,293 --> 00:31:03,063
And so of course, as
these things happen,
674
00:31:03,063 --> 00:31:05,198
Christian Rodriguez
was not actually living
675
00:31:05,231 --> 00:31:06,533
at his residential address.
676
00:31:06,566 --> 00:31:08,468
He had movedaround quite a bit.
677
00:31:08,501 --> 00:31:11,571
- We didn't know
exactly where he was.
678
00:31:11,604 --> 00:31:14,374
* *
679
00:31:14,407 --> 00:31:18,078
- They can't track down anyonein Rodriguez's family either.
680
00:31:18,078 --> 00:31:19,879
So detectives turnto the young man
681
00:31:19,913 --> 00:31:23,283
who told them about Christianin the first place for help.
682
00:31:23,316 --> 00:31:24,784
- We talked to him again,
683
00:31:24,818 --> 00:31:27,087
but he only knew
Christian Rodriguez
684
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,089
kind of on the periphery.
685
00:31:29,089 --> 00:31:30,490
He didn't know where he lived
686
00:31:30,523 --> 00:31:33,793
or anything
other than he was a friend.
687
00:31:33,827 --> 00:31:36,196
* *
688
00:31:36,229 --> 00:31:39,165
- Desperate to get a potentialkiller off the street,
689
00:31:39,199 --> 00:31:42,502
detectives dig for cluesin Van Sickle's background
690
00:31:42,535 --> 00:31:45,939
and quickly realize thatRodriguez isn't the only one
691
00:31:45,972 --> 00:31:47,941
with a rap sheet.
692
00:31:47,974 --> 00:31:50,143
- What we determined was
that James Van Sickle
693
00:31:50,176 --> 00:31:53,880
had a sordid criminal past.
694
00:31:53,913 --> 00:31:56,983
- James Van Sickle has beenin trouble with the law
695
00:31:57,017 --> 00:31:58,451
more than once.
696
00:31:58,485 --> 00:32:03,456
And he also has had
some violent encounters
697
00:32:03,490 --> 00:32:05,625
in his past.
698
00:32:05,658 --> 00:32:09,662
In 1989, he served time
in Chino for selling drugs.
699
00:32:09,696 --> 00:32:11,197
[door slams]
700
00:32:11,231 --> 00:32:13,533
- In one case, he had
brutally beat his boyfriend.
701
00:32:13,566 --> 00:32:16,870
And he was arrested
for that also.
702
00:32:16,903 --> 00:32:19,873
- In 1988,
Van Sickle's charged
703
00:32:19,906 --> 00:32:22,509
with an attempted murder
in Compton.
704
00:32:22,542 --> 00:32:24,811
But the victim never
showed up in court.
705
00:32:24,844 --> 00:32:28,181
- It was a shock
to us at the time.
706
00:32:28,214 --> 00:32:30,216
- The detectives are stunned
707
00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:32,886
and begin to noticea troubling pattern
708
00:32:32,919 --> 00:32:35,655
in Van Sickle's historyof violence.
709
00:32:35,689 --> 00:32:38,425
- It appeared that
Mr. Van Sickle was involved
710
00:32:38,458 --> 00:32:40,894
in numerous incidents
in the past,
711
00:32:40,927 --> 00:32:42,929
where he would
establish a relationship
712
00:32:42,962 --> 00:32:44,564
with an older male.
713
00:32:44,597 --> 00:32:47,667
And these relationshipstypically ended the same way,
714
00:32:47,701 --> 00:32:49,302
with a violent encounter
715
00:32:49,336 --> 00:32:52,405
and him leaving with material
goods from the relationship.
716
00:32:52,439 --> 00:32:54,674
- But the victims didn't
want to prosecute,
717
00:32:54,708 --> 00:32:57,143
didn't want to follow up.
718
00:32:57,177 --> 00:33:00,447
- In the 1980s,if the guy was an older man,
719
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,483
he might have been closeted,and he would have been
720
00:33:03,516 --> 00:33:06,886
very reluctant to come outand press charges.
721
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,222
It makes you a topic
for conversations
722
00:33:09,255 --> 00:33:11,224
you don't want people to have.
723
00:33:11,257 --> 00:33:14,728
This is how Van Sicklecould victimize people
724
00:33:14,761 --> 00:33:18,465
in their own communityand get away with it.
725
00:33:18,498 --> 00:33:20,700
- Larry Austin hada good amount of money.
726
00:33:20,734 --> 00:33:22,168
He was by himself.
727
00:33:22,202 --> 00:33:23,703
At the time, I'm just thinking,
728
00:33:23,737 --> 00:33:25,705
maybe Van Sickle becameinvolved with him
729
00:33:25,739 --> 00:33:27,073
for the money.
730
00:33:27,073 --> 00:33:28,708
And it just went
downhill from there,
731
00:33:28,742 --> 00:33:30,643
to the point where Van Sickleput his name
732
00:33:30,677 --> 00:33:33,313
on the victim's accounts
to control the money,
733
00:33:33,346 --> 00:33:36,483
then hires a hit man
to kill Larry Austin.
734
00:33:36,516 --> 00:33:37,717
[gunshot]
735
00:33:37,751 --> 00:33:40,587
And when he was murdered,the person who benefits most
736
00:33:40,620 --> 00:33:41,554
is Van Sickle.
737
00:33:41,588 --> 00:33:44,624
- And we felt
Christian Rodriguez would be
738
00:33:44,657 --> 00:33:48,762
a perfect hit-man candidatebecause he needed the money.
739
00:33:48,795 --> 00:33:51,097
He was uneducated.
740
00:33:51,131 --> 00:33:54,734
He was not working a lot.
741
00:33:54,768 --> 00:33:56,536
He had a family.
742
00:33:56,569 --> 00:33:58,104
[gunshot]
743
00:33:58,104 --> 00:34:00,573
* *
744
00:34:00,607 --> 00:34:03,109
- But having a theoryand proving it
745
00:34:03,143 --> 00:34:04,878
are two very different things.
746
00:34:04,911 --> 00:34:07,947
And investigatorsare still a long way
747
00:34:08,048 --> 00:34:09,716
from making an arrest.
748
00:34:09,749 --> 00:34:12,552
- James Van Sickle--
he may have hired a hit man.
749
00:34:12,585 --> 00:34:14,954
He may have known him, but you
could still make the case
750
00:34:15,055 --> 00:34:17,290
that this kid
did it on his own.
751
00:34:17,323 --> 00:34:20,060
So they need toreally nail him down.
752
00:34:20,060 --> 00:34:21,528
They need a confession.
753
00:34:21,561 --> 00:34:24,664
* *
754
00:34:24,698 --> 00:34:28,234
- Detectives know itwon't be an easy task.
755
00:34:28,268 --> 00:34:30,704
But once again,the media helps them
756
00:34:30,737 --> 00:34:32,939
get closerto catching the killer.
757
00:34:32,972 --> 00:34:34,974
* *
758
00:34:35,075 --> 00:34:37,777
- A confidential informantfor the federal government
759
00:34:37,811 --> 00:34:39,479
was watching"America's Most Wanted"
760
00:34:39,512 --> 00:34:42,949
and spotted James on the showand recognized him.
761
00:34:42,982 --> 00:34:45,785
* *
762
00:34:45,819 --> 00:34:50,090
- He told us that Van Sicklehad approached him months ago,
763
00:34:50,090 --> 00:34:54,094
months before the murder,
to kill Austin.
764
00:34:54,094 --> 00:34:56,730
- Apparently Mr. Van Sicklehad actually been
765
00:34:56,763 --> 00:34:59,566
in the Southeast Los Angeles
area trying
766
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:03,737
to find someone that could,
as Mr. Van Sickle described it,
767
00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:06,039
help him out
with a business matter.
768
00:35:06,072 --> 00:35:09,275
That's how James Van Sicklemet up with the informant.
769
00:35:09,309 --> 00:35:11,644
- And this guy said, no,
770
00:35:11,678 --> 00:35:13,813
I didn't want anything
to do with it.
771
00:35:13,847 --> 00:35:16,683
But now that he heardabout the reward,
772
00:35:16,716 --> 00:35:19,652
he will turn
on Van Sickle for us.
773
00:35:19,686 --> 00:35:21,821
* *
774
00:35:21,855 --> 00:35:24,657
- Detectives quickly puta plan into motion.
775
00:35:24,691 --> 00:35:27,560
The informantagrees to call Van Sickle
776
00:35:27,594 --> 00:35:30,263
on a recorded linean hour later.
777
00:35:30,296 --> 00:35:32,399
* *
778
00:35:32,432 --> 00:35:34,734
- So he called Van Sickleand said,
779
00:35:34,768 --> 00:35:37,671
hey, look, I heard about
what happened at the theater.
780
00:35:37,704 --> 00:35:41,274
And I know you killed him,
and I want $10,000,
781
00:35:41,307 --> 00:35:42,842
or I'm going to goto the police.
782
00:35:42,876 --> 00:35:46,646
Van Sickle went, hey, don't
worry, I'll get you the money.
783
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,848
I'm going to take careof everything.
784
00:35:48,882 --> 00:35:51,351
This was importantbecause we have
785
00:35:51,384 --> 00:35:54,821
Van Sickle making some
admission for the first time.
786
00:35:54,854 --> 00:35:58,091
And then Van Sicklecalled us, and he said,
787
00:35:58,091 --> 00:36:00,427
I want my money right now.
788
00:36:00,460 --> 00:36:02,429
- He was very upset
because of the fact
789
00:36:02,462 --> 00:36:03,897
that the fundswere still frozen.
790
00:36:03,930 --> 00:36:07,867
- So we went to the IRS,and they removed the freeze
791
00:36:07,901 --> 00:36:09,869
on Austin's bank accounts.
792
00:36:09,903 --> 00:36:13,139
So I go back,and I told Van Sickle
793
00:36:13,173 --> 00:36:14,240
that I got it released to him,
794
00:36:14,274 --> 00:36:17,811
because, I said, I know
you need money to live on.
795
00:36:17,844 --> 00:36:20,580
- So the bank released
the money to James.
796
00:36:20,613 --> 00:36:24,884
And when James leaves the bankwith this $10,000
797
00:36:24,918 --> 00:36:27,187
in his possession,
798
00:36:27,220 --> 00:36:28,621
he doesn't know it,
799
00:36:28,655 --> 00:36:32,125
but he's leading a parade
of "plainclothesed" cops.
800
00:36:32,158 --> 00:36:35,428
* *
801
00:36:35,462 --> 00:36:37,630
- The LAPD isalready in position
802
00:36:37,664 --> 00:36:39,933
with their confidentialinformant wired up
803
00:36:39,966 --> 00:36:42,469
and the surveillance teamdead focused
804
00:36:42,502 --> 00:36:45,138
on Van Sickle's every move.
805
00:36:45,171 --> 00:36:49,442
- There are six or eight, at
least, cars following him.
806
00:36:49,476 --> 00:36:52,846
They go to James'sapartment complex.
807
00:36:52,879 --> 00:36:56,082
And James pulls into
the subterranean garage.
808
00:36:56,116 --> 00:36:58,885
And he's ready to meetthe confidential informant,
809
00:36:58,918 --> 00:37:01,121
who comes up.
810
00:37:01,154 --> 00:37:03,323
- The informantapproaches him,
811
00:37:03,356 --> 00:37:05,492
wired up with a microphone.
812
00:37:05,525 --> 00:37:08,828
And he's irateand wants his money.
813
00:37:08,862 --> 00:37:11,364
We told him we wantedhim to get Van Sickle
814
00:37:11,398 --> 00:37:13,033
to admit to the killing.
815
00:37:13,033 --> 00:37:17,937
* *
816
00:37:18,038 --> 00:37:22,242
And, finally,
Van Sickle started talking.
817
00:37:29,949 --> 00:37:32,385
[dramatic music]
818
00:37:32,652 --> 00:37:36,890
* *
819
00:37:36,923 --> 00:37:39,192
- On March 8, 1997,
820
00:37:39,225 --> 00:37:42,829
almost two months afterthe murder of Larry Austin,
821
00:37:42,862 --> 00:37:45,498
LAPD investigatorsare surveilling
822
00:37:45,532 --> 00:37:48,501
suspected murdererJames Van Sickle
823
00:37:48,535 --> 00:37:51,338
as he speaksto their wired informant.
824
00:37:51,371 --> 00:37:53,306
- Van Sickle started talking.
825
00:37:53,340 --> 00:37:55,742
And, finally,Van Sickle admits,
826
00:37:55,775 --> 00:37:59,079
you know, yes, you know,
I did want him killed.
827
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:03,883
I got the money,and I'll give you the $10,000.
828
00:38:03,917 --> 00:38:06,820
- At this point,
we make a determination
829
00:38:06,853 --> 00:38:09,289
that all of the information
that we needed
830
00:38:09,322 --> 00:38:10,924
was obtained in that recording.
831
00:38:11,024 --> 00:38:14,027
We then move into arrest James Van Sickle.
832
00:38:14,027 --> 00:38:16,029
* *
833
00:38:16,029 --> 00:38:18,198
And we take Mr. Van Sickle
into custody.
834
00:38:18,231 --> 00:38:21,935
* *
835
00:38:22,035 --> 00:38:23,403
- We talked to him,
836
00:38:23,436 --> 00:38:25,171
but he didn't wantto tell us anything.
837
00:38:25,205 --> 00:38:28,375
His story was he didn't do it,
he's being framed.
838
00:38:28,408 --> 00:38:30,744
You know,
he just denied everything.
839
00:38:32,045 --> 00:38:34,948
- With the likelymastermind behind bars,
840
00:38:35,048 --> 00:38:39,619
police shift their focusto finding the triggerman.
841
00:38:39,652 --> 00:38:43,156
So they turn to the LAPD'snetwork of informants
842
00:38:43,189 --> 00:38:45,291
hoping for a tip.
843
00:38:45,325 --> 00:38:48,661
* *
844
00:38:48,695 --> 00:38:51,731
- On Sunday, March 9th, we
got information
845
00:38:51,765 --> 00:38:55,568
on Christian Rodriguez
from an informant.
846
00:38:55,602 --> 00:38:58,204
We surveilled his new address,
847
00:38:58,238 --> 00:39:01,408
waiting in the car, watching.
848
00:39:01,441 --> 00:39:04,711
And then Rodriguez
got into his car.
849
00:39:05,645 --> 00:39:09,649
And then the surveillance unit
started to follow.
850
00:39:09,683 --> 00:39:12,786
He made a turn, these little
funny little side streets,
851
00:39:12,819 --> 00:39:16,322
and the surveillance unitalmost lost him.
852
00:39:16,356 --> 00:39:19,392
But then they
just converged on him
853
00:39:19,426 --> 00:39:21,528
and took him down.
854
00:39:21,561 --> 00:39:25,031
Rodriguez gave right up.
855
00:39:25,031 --> 00:39:27,300
- Following the arrest,
he was transported
856
00:39:27,334 --> 00:39:29,235
to Hollywood station.
857
00:39:29,269 --> 00:39:31,604
Detective Miller and I askedChristian Rodriguez to tell us
858
00:39:31,638 --> 00:39:35,175
his side of the story,
and he did.
859
00:39:35,208 --> 00:39:37,844
- Apparently, Rodriguez
never got paid to begin with,
860
00:39:37,877 --> 00:39:39,813
and he flipped
because he was real upset.
861
00:39:39,846 --> 00:39:41,648
- He told usthat James Van Sickle
862
00:39:41,681 --> 00:39:44,617
had approached him
to commit a murder for hire.
863
00:39:44,651 --> 00:39:46,586
He wanted him to do it because
he had no criminal record
864
00:39:46,619 --> 00:39:48,655
and no one would suspect him.
865
00:39:48,688 --> 00:39:53,393
- He said he was going to pay
him $25,000 to kill Austin.
866
00:39:53,426 --> 00:39:56,796
- He provided informationto Christian Rodriguez
867
00:39:56,830 --> 00:40:00,467
on how to obtain a firearm andhow he could commit the act
868
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:02,969
and where he should do it
and how he should do it.
869
00:40:03,003 --> 00:40:04,971
[gunshot]
870
00:40:05,005 --> 00:40:07,040
And he wanted
Mary Giles murdered as well
871
00:40:07,073 --> 00:40:09,009
to make it look like a robbery.
872
00:40:09,042 --> 00:40:12,045
- And to us, that was the
coldest part of the whole case.
873
00:40:12,078 --> 00:40:13,513
[gunshot]
874
00:40:13,546 --> 00:40:15,715
- The police wereall just horrified
875
00:40:15,749 --> 00:40:19,853
at how James Van Sickle
was perfectly comfortable
876
00:40:19,886 --> 00:40:23,590
with collateral damage
of a young woman, 19 years old,
877
00:40:23,623 --> 00:40:27,460
just so it looks
more like a robbery.
878
00:40:27,494 --> 00:40:30,530
- Then in January of 1999,
879
00:40:30,563 --> 00:40:33,333
James Van Sickleand Christian Rodriguez
880
00:40:33,366 --> 00:40:34,601
are tried together.
881
00:40:34,634 --> 00:40:36,803
* *
882
00:40:36,836 --> 00:40:39,873
- At the trial, Mary
was a perfect witness
883
00:40:39,906 --> 00:40:42,342
because she was very innocent.
884
00:40:42,375 --> 00:40:45,345
She was very matter of fact.
885
00:40:45,378 --> 00:40:48,081
She actually showed the scar
886
00:40:48,114 --> 00:40:50,016
from the gunshot
that had gone into her chest,
887
00:40:50,050 --> 00:40:52,052
and it was a pretty
massive scar.
888
00:40:52,085 --> 00:40:53,553
She was very sympathetic.
889
00:40:53,586 --> 00:40:57,657
And when she said that God
saved her, she meant it.
890
00:40:57,691 --> 00:41:00,527
- After that, theyhad the confession
891
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,662
from Christian Rodriguez,
892
00:41:02,696 --> 00:41:05,732
and what is on tape
from James Van Sickle
893
00:41:05,765 --> 00:41:07,500
is enough to nail him.
894
00:41:07,534 --> 00:41:09,536
* *
895
00:41:09,569 --> 00:41:12,105
- Then in May of 1999,
896
00:41:12,138 --> 00:41:15,675
just over two yearsafter Larry Austin's murder,
897
00:41:15,709 --> 00:41:18,778
Van Sickle and Rodriguezlearn their fate.
898
00:41:18,812 --> 00:41:20,880
- Ultimately,at the end of the trial,
899
00:41:20,914 --> 00:41:22,982
both Christian Rodriguez
and James Van Sickle
900
00:41:23,083 --> 00:41:25,118
were convicted
of first-degree murder.
901
00:41:25,151 --> 00:41:27,754
And they were bothsentenced to life
902
00:41:27,787 --> 00:41:29,689
without the possibilityof parole
903
00:41:29,723 --> 00:41:32,092
in California state prison.
904
00:41:32,092 --> 00:41:34,160
[door slams]
905
00:41:34,194 --> 00:41:37,163
* *
906
00:41:37,197 --> 00:41:40,433
- After the trial, the district
attorney, Jeff Ramseyer,
907
00:41:40,467 --> 00:41:42,736
said, do you want to
speak on Larry's behalf?
908
00:41:42,769 --> 00:41:45,872
And I said, yes, I'd like
to speak about Larry.
909
00:41:45,905 --> 00:41:47,474
So I get up.
910
00:41:47,507 --> 00:41:49,642
And I told them,James Van Sickle
911
00:41:49,676 --> 00:41:52,645
and Christian Rodriguez,you showed no remorse,
912
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:54,948
and you took a man's life.
913
00:41:54,981 --> 00:41:57,350
* *
914
00:41:57,384 --> 00:41:59,119
James kind of had a smirk.
915
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:02,622
And I said, you know, you
can smirk all you want, pal.
916
00:42:02,655 --> 00:42:04,157
But you know what?
917
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:07,761
When I leave here, you're
going back in a cell.
918
00:42:07,794 --> 00:42:09,396
You have no freedom.
919
00:42:09,429 --> 00:42:12,532
You gave it up when you chose
to take a man's life
920
00:42:12,565 --> 00:42:15,068
for profit.
921
00:42:15,101 --> 00:42:18,772
- Today the people who lovedLarry Austin and the spirit
922
00:42:18,805 --> 00:42:21,508
of Old Hollywood hefought to preserve
923
00:42:21,541 --> 00:42:23,710
are left with only memories.
924
00:42:23,743 --> 00:42:27,180
The theater continuesto operate as an outlet
925
00:42:27,213 --> 00:42:28,982
for art-house cinema
926
00:42:29,082 --> 00:42:32,185
and occasionally even featuresa silent movie,
927
00:42:32,218 --> 00:42:33,820
for old time's sake.
928
00:42:33,853 --> 00:42:35,555
- It wasn't nearly
the same, obviously.
929
00:42:35,588 --> 00:42:36,756
There was no Larry Austin.
930
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:38,958
And it was more
of a hipster haven.
931
00:42:38,992 --> 00:42:41,394
- They do have screenings,
932
00:42:41,428 --> 00:42:43,997
but it's not the same.
933
00:42:44,097 --> 00:42:46,933
Larry Austin hada perfect vision
934
00:42:46,966 --> 00:42:48,702
for the Silent Movie Theater.
935
00:42:48,735 --> 00:42:51,438
It was his one chance
936
00:42:51,471 --> 00:42:54,808
to sprinkle himself
937
00:42:54,841 --> 00:42:57,110
and the area with stardust.
938
00:42:57,110 --> 00:43:00,747
It was a little bit of magicthat he could make happen.
939
00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:04,217
That's the Larry Austin
who died.
940
00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:06,886
- When Larry died,I didn't want to go back,
941
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,056
and I've never been backin that building ever since.
942
00:43:10,090 --> 00:43:11,591
I've driven by.
943
00:43:11,624 --> 00:43:14,828
And it's bittersweet.
944
00:43:14,861 --> 00:43:17,797
I wish we still hada silent-movie theater
945
00:43:17,831 --> 00:43:19,265
here in Los Angeles.
946
00:43:19,299 --> 00:43:21,868
But you need somebody
947
00:43:21,901 --> 00:43:24,838
with love and devotionlike Larry gave it
948
00:43:24,871 --> 00:43:27,173
to run something like that.
949
00:43:27,207 --> 00:43:28,708
It was Larry's life,
950
00:43:28,742 --> 00:43:31,745
and when he died,
the theater died.
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