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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,560 --> 00:00:08,320 In a warm climate, in Florida, 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,920 this man is chasing his dream. 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,320 He's in pursuit of the perfect tomato. 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,240 There are people who are growing up today 5 00:00:21,240 --> 00:00:24,600 who have never tasted a really good tomato, 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,960 that don't even know what a good tomato is 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,080 and we need to fix that. 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:37,680 He wanted to create a fruit that is juicier, tastier and sweeter 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,400 than any you're likely to find on a shelf. 10 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,000 And he's done it. 11 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,880 The reason these tomatoes are sweet 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,320 is because of smells he's captured in these jars. 13 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,960 So he may have found a way of making things taste sweeter 14 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,280 without adding any extra sugar. 15 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,920 And that's because of a trick 16 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,560 that happens in your brain. 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,400 Now, can you fool the brain? 18 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,160 Can you provide it with sweet that's safe and that isn't sugar? 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,880 I think that's the Holy Grail. 20 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:24,400 Taste is our most sensuous and indulgent of senses. 21 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,680 It turns out that the story of why we like what we like 22 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,960 is a lot more surprising than you think. 23 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,400 Food... Mmm, yummy! 24 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,240 SHE CHUCKLES 25 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,480 We all have a favourite food. 26 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,520 All the textures, the flavours, 27 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,000 the smells...and it's just wonderful! 28 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,200 For some of us, it's sweet. 29 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,840 Chocolate brownie or rich chocolate torte. 30 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,680 For others, it's savoury. 31 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,160 I love shellfish and I love octopus. 32 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,600 That's probably my ideal. 33 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,680 What you love eating is as unique as a fingerprint. 34 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Cream cheese, like, really fattening cream cheese, like, 35 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,960 you know, that's just delicious and that. 36 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:31,760 Of all our senses, taste is the one we most associate with pleasure. 37 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,760 Good old apple crumble and sticky toffee pudding. 38 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,560 Crunchy on the outside and warm on the inside. 39 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,000 Yet the story of what happens when you taste is anything but simple. 40 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,000 If you really want to understand how taste works, 41 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,080 you need an environment far removed from the clutter of a kitchen. 42 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:07,880 Today, a group of people have come to this lab in Berkshire 43 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,840 to undergo a rather special test. 44 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,920 They want to find out whether they have what it takes 45 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:19,800 to be a professional taster. 46 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,760 Someone who can judge the taste of the food you might one day eat. 47 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,560 There'll be two parts to the test. 48 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,840 The first part will be a familiarisation of the five tastes 49 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,800 and I will give you five samples 50 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,800 and take you through what these five samples are. 51 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,680 Most of these tastes are ones we all recognise. 52 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,280 746 - this one is sweet. 53 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,960 625 - this sample is sour. 54 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,280 Bitter and salty are also pretty well known. 55 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:05,040 But the fifth one, savoury, or umami, is a lot trickier. 56 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,520 198 - and take a couple of sips, 57 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,160 really focus on this one - 58 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:11,760 this one is umami. 59 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,040 When it comes to our would-be professionals, 60 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,440 it's not a familiar one. 61 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,720 There was one, I admit, that I didn't know. 62 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,600 Um... Mumba...that one. 63 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:26,960 Is it amani? 64 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,440 That was a bit... Never heard of that one before. 65 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,920 Never heard of...what is it, umagi? 66 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,520 I don't even know what that is, but I'm going to find out today. 67 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,840 With the familiarisation over, the test really starts. 68 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:44,800 They are given much weaker versions of the basic five tastes. 69 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,920 They have to work out which is which. 70 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:55,640 What makes it so difficult is that there are no other cues 71 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,680 that we all normally take for granted - 72 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,600 no colours, textures, smells to help them decide. 73 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,360 No talking during this test, 74 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,440 it's your own opinions that I want. 75 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:11,720 746. 76 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:15,560 625. 77 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,640 Already, some candidates are finding it easier than others. 78 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,080 Bitter and sour are often the hardest to tell apart. 79 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,760 There were some that I thought I was OK with, 80 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,160 but, on the whole, it was quite difficult. 81 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,440 I think the umami was pretty easy to work out. 82 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,880 Very difficult to distinguish the flavours, 83 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,600 they were quite slight, very delicate. 84 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,360 The salty was OK and the sweet. 85 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:42,800 Bitter was very hard. 86 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,480 But now, tasters have to undergo a second test 87 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,920 that they weren't expecting. 88 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,360 They will have to identify a different variety of substances, 89 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,360 but not with their mouths. 90 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,440 They'll be given a variety ranging from rosemary, 91 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:04,880 fresh ginger... 92 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:08,600 ..to vanilla. 93 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:12,840 What I'd like you to do is 94 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:15,880 write next to the corresponding three-digit code 95 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,560 what aroma you think is in the tube. 96 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,160 This test will be even harder than the first. 97 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,480 If you are not entirely sure what it is that you can smell, 98 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,880 put something down that it reminds you of 99 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,920 and you still might get a point for that. 100 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,400 I'm normally the one that says, "Oh, can you smell that?" 101 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,840 and nobody else can, so let's see. 102 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,440 I think I probably got about half of them. 103 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,160 I'd say it's pretty good. 104 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,440 Maybe a bit easier than the taste. 105 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,880 It was harder than I thought, actually. 106 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,680 I haven't actually got the actual smell, but I know what it's like. 107 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,360 Today, only 5 out of the 14 were found to have the potential 108 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:00,960 to go on to be a professional. 109 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,840 That's normal for a test like this. 110 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:07,880 They could be the ones who taste the food you'll have tomorrow. 111 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,360 I didn't like curry, mushy peas. 112 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,840 Taste is bizarre. 113 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,440 Mushrooms, I couldn't stand them. 114 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,120 Anything like whelks. 115 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,960 I used to be scared of mushrooms. 116 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,440 It doesn't even stay the same. 117 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,600 We all remember foods we used to hate. 118 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,400 Olives, I tried them a few times and I hated them. 119 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,600 I hated them! But they're my favourite now. 120 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:41,840 SHE CHUCKLES 121 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,440 Liver. I like liver now, but I hated it then. 122 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,160 I used to hate mushrooms 123 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,520 and now, I can think of nothing better when it comes to a burger 124 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,560 than a Portobello with pesto. 125 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,360 It's clear that each of us 126 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,760 develops a highly individual set of likes and dislikes over our lives. 127 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,240 But the process by which you acquire and change your tastes 128 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,480 is starting to reveal its secrets. 129 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,760 At Birmingham University, 130 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,840 Professor Jackie Blissett has been trying to understand 131 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,680 the very earliest part of this process. 132 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,000 Children's eating is absolutely fascinating. 133 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,840 When you think of the individual differences that you see 134 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,920 in children's willingness, for example, to try new foods. 135 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,200 That really drove me to try and understand a little bit more 136 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,600 about the factors that were either intrinsic to themselves 137 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,240 or in their environments that make the difference 138 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,360 between those children who are happy to taste pretty much anything 139 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,000 and the kids who are really, really reluctant to try. 140 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,040 When it comes to taste, you're born with some preferences - 141 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,640 they're intrinsic. 142 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,840 Others happen because of tastes you experience - your environment. 143 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,000 This way, love. 144 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,680 Jackie is trying to discover how these two fit together. 145 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:19,080 This is going to be a really special tasting again, I think. 146 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,760 The children will be offered eight different foods. 147 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,040 Some they already know they don't like... 148 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:31,120 ..others are brand new. 149 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,160 Their challenge is to try to taste them all. 150 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,160 The first child is Abenna. 151 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,520 Her mother has told Jackie that she is a picky eater. 152 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,520 Have you ever had those before? 153 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,000 No. 154 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,640 Jackie is interested in why there are ones she doesn't like. 155 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,760 Which one of those do you think looks the most yummy? 156 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,200 That! That one looks the most yummy, why? 157 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,600 The pomegranate, cos I've tasted them before... 158 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,840 Faced with some unfamiliar sights, 159 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,000 Abenna follows her instincts, 160 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,920 instincts we're all born with, 161 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,160 and goes straight for something sweet. 162 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,400 Babies, very, very early in life 163 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,840 have this preference for sweeter taste, 164 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,320 not surprisingly, because the taste of milk is sweet. 165 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,920 High levels of sweetness, fattiness, 166 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,280 all of these things indicate good calorie sources. 167 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,240 And then, if you had to choose another really yummy one... 168 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,040 The figs? 169 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,480 Try it. 170 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:44,000 The sweet tastes go first, so now her choice becomes more difficult. 171 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,240 I don't like sprouts... 172 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,880 Again, Abenna's instincts cut in - 173 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,160 she's wary of bitter. 174 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,440 Things like this, it looks all like... 175 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,040 We are all programmed, really, to avoid bitter tastes wherever we can, 176 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,240 they might be poisonous, they might have high levels of toxin. 177 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,600 So bitter tastes are often very problematic 178 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,480 for parents, in particular, to introduce to their children. 179 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,440 I don't like mushrooms... 180 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,320 They're all squashed. Oh, squashed. 181 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,360 So far, Abenna is reacting as nature has programmed her to do - 182 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,440 she's drawn to sweet and tries to avoid bitter. 183 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,680 But now, another influence starts to exert itself - 184 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:30,120 her own experience. 185 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,560 Which one do you think looks the most yummy now? 186 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:36,200 SHE CHUCKLES 187 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,240 Oh, it's difficult. Sprouts, cos I've tasted them before. Sprouts? 188 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,520 Do you want to try it? 189 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,240 They're all right. 190 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,280 She's thinks she's chosen the least worst option, 191 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,880 but then something telling happened - 192 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,960 this time, the sprout she thought she hated tasted fine. 193 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,000 Because she'd been exposed to the vegetable before, 194 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,640 it overcame her intrinsic dislike of bitter. 195 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,600 When you see something like vegetables, 196 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,960 children are going to have to have a number of exposures 197 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,280 to those vegetables to find them familiar, 198 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,920 to have tasted them often enough 199 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,720 to have acquired a reasonable preference for them. 200 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:28,280 So there isn't a magic, overnight effect. 201 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:34,120 It is often a long process of gradually learning to like 202 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,520 the tastes that aren't particularly innately preferred. 203 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,960 And this is the key to how we all develop our tastes - 204 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,880 we develop a liking if we keep tasting it. 205 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,600 Children at around two or three years old, 206 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,760 if they're relatively fussy eaters, 207 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:59,320 those patterns track through childhood and into adulthood, 208 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,960 so it's absolutely important, really, really important 209 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:07,760 that dietary range is as broad as it can be 210 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,920 before those children reach that kind of age. 211 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,720 What about this one? 212 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,920 What about the litchi, have you tried that one before? 213 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,360 But there's another surprise 214 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,000 that may explain why you like some rather strong tastes. 215 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,040 Even when you're tiny. 216 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,120 If a mother is consuming a large amount 217 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,360 of something like garlic when she's pregnant, 218 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:36,000 we know that that flavour passes into the amniotic fluid, 219 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,000 and some research has shown 220 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,240 that babies who are exposed to some specific flavours in utero 221 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,840 actually continue to show preferences for those flavours later. 222 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,440 Do you want to give it a little try? 223 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,080 And what's true of garlic may also be true of chilli and onions. 224 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,320 Do you want to try some now? 225 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:55,880 Mmm... 226 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,280 What we taste when we're little has a powerful influence on us. 227 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,520 But scientists have also found your sensitivity changes as you age. 228 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,840 Your sense of bitter fades. 229 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,200 So those foods you found it hard to like 230 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,320 can become that bit easier to start to enjoy. 231 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,680 But it isn't as simple as that for all of us. 232 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,880 Gainesville, Florida. 233 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,920 This is Professor Linda Bartoshuk. 234 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,400 Linda may not be a household name, 235 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,640 but she's probably done more in her career 236 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,480 to understand your sense of taste 237 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,360 than anyone else alive. 238 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,480 Food, in the sense of taste, 239 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,040 is very much involved in our appreciation of life, 240 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,240 it produces enormous pleasure. 241 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,280 What intrigued Linda was not just which tastes we each like, 242 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,400 but how strong some of us seemed to like them. 243 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,800 Why do some people cover their food with hot sauces 244 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,040 and others never touch them? 245 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,560 When I started working in taste, and it was a lot of years ago, 246 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,360 we knew a great deal about observational tastes, 247 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,800 from people cooking, paying attention to what they ate, 248 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,640 we didn't know very much about the mechanisms. 249 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,720 She was interested in how sensitive 250 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,160 different people were to the same food. 251 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,600 It's easy to do a basic test. 252 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,640 If you are adventurous, you can put the whole thing in your mouth. 253 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,720 If you want to take it a little slower, taste the little corner of the paper, 254 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,160 and if you don't taste it, put a little bit more in. 255 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,040 Her testing equipment is simple. 256 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,840 A piece of paper soaked in a very bitter chemical. 257 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,960 I don't really taste anything. 258 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,320 You don't taste it? Very little. OK. 259 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,240 Well, for some, it is. 260 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,080 It's very bitter. 261 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,120 This sort of test has shown over and over again 262 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,160 that different people do have different reactions to the same taste. 263 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,400 Linda wanted to see if there was an anatomical reason for this. 264 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,000 Her task was daunting. 265 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:39,280 She had to take an extremely close look at thousands of tongues. 266 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:45,200 Taste buds are buried in what are called fungiform papillae. 267 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,200 They will stand out when you stain the surface. 268 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,280 But you still have to count them. 269 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,880 Counting papillae is not the most fun in the world 270 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,160 but the best thing to do is take a picture. 271 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,640 And if you've got a picture, you can go back, 272 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,640 look at it, count and that's what we did. 273 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,960 And indeed the group of people who were intensely sensitive 274 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,920 actually had more fungiform papillae. 275 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,160 Those with fewer, tasted less. 276 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,480 Five per six millimetres, it's that precise, 277 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,920 and you're at the bottom of the scale. 278 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,760 60 and she has a new name for you - 279 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,400 supertaster. 280 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,880 The people at the end with five 281 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,280 are really having pastel experiences with taste in food. 282 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,000 The people at the end with 60, 283 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,600 taste in food are neon to them, 284 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,640 they're extremely intense. 285 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,120 Today, Linda's comparing the tongues of Jenny, 286 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:02,080 who's thinks she has a very strong sense of taste, 287 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,000 with Derek, who's thinks he hasn't. 288 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,840 If Jenny is a supertaster, she should be anatomically different. 289 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,960 I look at this screen and I can tell right away 290 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,200 this is a supertaster tongue, this is not. 291 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,080 We see many, many more fungiform papillae here, 292 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,840 many fewer here, larger here than these. 293 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,280 And that's typical of these two groups. 294 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:31,000 We already know that Jennifer 295 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,600 tastes things more intensely than Derek, 296 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,320 so I expected her tongue to show that she's a supertaster and it does. 297 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:43,200 In fact, around 15% of the people she studied are supertasters. 298 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,360 But the question is whether how intensely you taste 299 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:49,760 affects what you eat. 300 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,000 You know, you might ask, is it better or worse to be a supertaster? 301 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,560 Well, the truth is, it depends on what you're asking about. 302 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,440 Supertasters are better off in some circumstances 303 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,280 and worse off in others. 304 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,720 A supertaster is going to experience at least three times 305 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,360 the burn from a chilli pepper as another person. 306 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:13,880 Smoking and drinking have rather unpleasant characteristics to supertasters 307 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,760 and they don't do as much of that. 308 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,320 Bitter is going to be more intense 309 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,440 and bitter is something we don't like, 310 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,160 so vegetables tend to be bitter, 311 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,640 supertasters don't eat as many vegetables. 312 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,680 So what about Linda? 313 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,600 I hate to admit, as a person working in this area, 314 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:40,040 that I am about as far away from a supertaster as you can get. 315 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,600 And I know it's true, 316 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,360 my taste world is pastel, nothing is terribly strong. 317 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:49,200 Never in my life have I perceived anything to be too sweet, 318 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,120 most people can't say that. 319 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,960 So think again of your favourite meal. 320 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,320 Bread and butter pudding with a smooth, creamy custard. 321 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,400 That's just divine! 322 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,640 What you like, you like for good reasons. 323 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,640 Partly, it's because of the instincts you were born with. 324 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,720 Chocolate, I love chocolate. 325 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,280 Anything sweet. 326 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,920 That's my thing, really. Sweet things. 327 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,400 Your tastes will be partly what you ate as a child. 328 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:33,160 The earliest memory of food I have in childhood is cake. 329 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,800 They could be partly because of what your mother ate 330 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,280 before you were even born. 331 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,800 I love my chilli. 332 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,480 I like it so that I'm actually breaking out a bit of a sweat. 333 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,800 I don't know why anyone would like something that made them cry, but I do. 334 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:51,360 But there is something that shapes your taste 335 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:54,600 even more than what you're putting into your mouths. 336 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,640 Molly Birnbaum's has had a lifetime fascination with food. 337 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,000 In 2005, she was determined 338 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,080 that this interest was something she wanted to pursue. 339 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,360 When I was in college, I fell in love with food, with cooking, 340 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:31,160 with being by the stove, 341 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,200 with bringing people together into my kitchen and feeding them. 342 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,280 I read more cookbooks than I did textbooks, I was obsessed. 343 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,000 I knew that's what I wanted to be - a chef. 344 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,800 Molly got her first job as a trainee and was in her element. 345 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,320 I would get home, in the wee hours of the morning, 346 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,000 smelling like veal stock and butter 347 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,400 and the fat from the deep fryer, 348 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,000 but I loved it. 349 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,440 I knew I wanted to spend the rest of my life doing it. 350 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,160 She had found her purpose. 351 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,520 And was about to enrol in the Culinary Institute of America. 352 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,040 This is what I wanted to do, 353 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,680 this was the first of many steps towards becoming a chef, 354 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,280 something that I loved 355 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,880 and knew I wanted to spend the rest of my life doing. 356 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,480 But then, one morning in August, I went for a jog. 357 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:29,080 It was a drizzly morning, it was an early morning and I was hit by a car. 358 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,320 Molly had multiple injuries, 359 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,840 including a broken pelvis and a fractured skull. 360 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,720 Slowly, her body began to heal. 361 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,560 But the head trauma she had suffered started to reveal other damage. 362 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,480 It was a month before I realised that something else was wrong. 363 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,960 And that happened when my stepmother, Cindy, baked an apple crisp. 364 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,120 It's one of my favourite desserts. 365 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:07,240 The scent of that dessert is just 366 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,800 one of the most beautiful things, I think, that exists, 367 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,680 with the cinnamon and the butter and the fruit. 368 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,000 But when she pulled it out of the oven, 369 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,000 everyone in the room was oohing and ahing over this smell 370 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,240 and she held it underneath my face so I could inhale 371 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:26,080 and I could feel the steam in my nose, which was warm and thick, 372 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,560 but there was no smell whatsoever. 373 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,880 In that moment, she realised she had lost her sense of smell. 374 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,760 I could feel the texture of the crisp berry topping, 375 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,480 I could feel the temperature, 376 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:49,360 and I could just feel them in my mouth, this mush, sweet mush. 377 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:52,560 But everything that made it apple crisp, 378 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,240 the flavour that I loved and recognised and remembered, was gone. 379 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,480 It was just nothingness. 380 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,160 In fact, her sense of taste was not damaged. 381 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,080 So she could taste sweet and sour, for instance. 382 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,200 But because she couldn't smell, 383 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,480 there was no flavour to enjoy. 384 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,320 I relied on texture, on temperature, on the visuals of food. 385 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,760 Two bowls of ice cream, chocolate and vanilla, 386 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,880 without looking at the colour, they would taste exactly the same to me. 387 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,040 Eating meat was flavourless, texture blob, 388 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,200 some of it felt like eating cardboard. 389 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,280 I put hot sauce on anything and everything, 390 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,800 because it at least gave me tingles, 391 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,400 which was better than nothing. 392 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,600 But I was uninterested in all of it. 393 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,680 When Molly lost the ability to make the connection 394 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,600 between the worlds of her senses 395 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:05,080 and the memories that had gone with them, she felt lost. 396 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:11,720 I missed the smells of food 397 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,000 that my mother cooked when I was a child. 398 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,640 I missed the smells of foods and dishes, and places and people 399 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,120 that reminded me of my past, 400 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:25,080 because smell, I very quickly realised, is so tied to our memory, 401 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,200 our emotional memories, 402 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,840 and I wondered who I would be 403 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,800 if I could no longer make those memories for the future. 404 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,240 The simple truth is that what most of us think of as taste 405 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,280 is, in fact, smell. 406 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,960 How taste and aroma come together to become the flavours we enjoy 407 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,560 is at the forefront of research. 408 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,400 Your system of smell is actually made of two parts. 409 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,600 Both operate whenever you eat, say, a strawberry. 410 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,280 The first thing I do when I'm going to eat this strawberry - 411 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,080 smell it, you get a wonderful strawberry bouquet, 412 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,320 put it in my mouth. 413 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,600 When something is in your mouth and you start chewing, 414 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,360 compounds called volatiles are released. 415 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,640 I'm chewing... 416 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,120 ..and swallowing forces the volatiles up behind my palette 417 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:30,600 and into my nose. 418 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,920 The aroma that comes through our nose is called orthonasal smell. 419 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,760 The smell system in your throat and mouth - retronasal. 420 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,440 Finally, all these signals come together in your brain. 421 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,280 It's a brain construction. 422 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,560 The brain sends it to an area that also gets taste. 423 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,480 They interact and that's flavour. 424 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,840 The flavours we experience are unique to us, 425 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,960 they are subjective, we can't share them. 426 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,000 I can't experience a strawberry through your senses, 427 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,640 only through my own. 428 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:21,000 So your sense of flavour doesn't really happen 429 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,960 in your tongue or your nose, 430 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,600 but in your brain. 431 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,880 And that's why it connects to your emotion and your memory. 432 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,880 When Molly lost that connection, it was to Linda that she had turned. 433 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,640 You really have to understand that this loss that Molly suffered 434 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,320 is devastating to your life. 435 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,840 And it happens...it makes people miserable when it happens. 436 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,600 But Linda could only offer sympathy, 437 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,680 she had no remedy. 438 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,520 No-one was expecting what happened to Molly some months later. 439 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,400 I was alone in the kitchen, 440 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,600 I had a bunch of fresh rosemary, the herb, and I was chopping it. 441 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,800 Then, all of a sudden, there was this scent. 442 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,320 And it just took over my entire head, it took over my brain, 443 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,200 it was earthy and herby, 444 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,720 and, immediately, it reminded me of a moment in my childhood 445 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,120 when I had gone horseback riding out west 446 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,320 and there must have been rosemary bushes. 447 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,120 But it just this incredibly powerful rosemary scent. 448 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,480 And I remember I looked around, I was just like, 449 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,280 "Oh, my God, it's back, it's here, it's this!" 450 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,960 No-one's quite sure how this happened. 451 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,200 But, somehow, the olfactory nerves 452 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,640 linking her smell to her brain became active again. 453 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,160 And slowly, she started to recover her smell and her memories. 454 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,840 Some of the first ones to come back after rosemary 455 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,040 were ones that meant a lot to me. 456 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,200 Chocolate was one of the first things that I could smell. 457 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,400 The sweet grape scent of wine, I could smell. 458 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,240 Foods that I gained most pleasure from 459 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,640 and they were related to emotion, to my past, 460 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,320 to happy moments in my life. 461 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:51,320 I felt that my nose was doing the good fight to get those back first. 462 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,840 Molly's experience of regaining a rich and deep sense of taste 463 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,720 also underlies how, for each of us, 464 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,040 our sense of taste is connected to our emotional experiences. 465 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,520 Emotions and memories reinforce taste pathways 466 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,280 and connections in our brains. 467 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,760 Memories from childhood are often the strongest. 468 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,920 I was about five or six, watching my mum prepare stuffed vine leaves. 469 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,920 You could smell the lamb wafting through the house 470 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,400 and sometimes, I used to go down and sneak one when she wasn't looking. 471 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,640 There was five of us, all sat round the table 472 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,080 and my mum used to put this big dish in the middle 473 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,800 and we all used to have a bit of Yorkshire pudding. 474 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,000 But for some of us, that pleasure has started to control us. 475 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,680 I'm a bit of a chocoholic, you see. 476 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,080 So I enjoy chocolate, milk chocolate, 477 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,920 chocolate with nuts in, everything like that. 478 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,480 Once you eat it, you get these brain waves and you think, 479 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,000 "Oh, this is really nice. Go and get another one." 480 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,640 You know, "I want more of this." 481 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,720 It's quite pathetic, really, 482 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,240 that a grown woman, who can hold down a job and look after two children, 483 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,200 can't go to bed if there's a bar of chocolate in the fridge, 484 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,560 but that's just the way it is, I can't. 485 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,720 Now, a growing number of researchers are starting to wonder 486 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,640 if our understanding of taste could have a practical use. 487 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,240 If we could use it to trick ourselves 488 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,920 into liking less unhealthy foods. 489 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:44,160 And at the forefront of this work is one substance - sugar. 490 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,920 In downtown Chicago, something rather bizarre is happening. 491 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,680 It's taking place in a gourmet kitchen. 492 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,840 The man behind the vision is award-winning chef Homaro Cantu, 493 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,320 who is taking a rather unexpected approach to food. 494 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,720 What we'll never get rid of 495 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,040 is the demand for sweets, for fatty foods, 496 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,840 for foods that, you know, degrade our health. 497 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,520 We need to make food that tastes good, that's healthy for us, 498 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,120 that tastes like junk food. 499 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,840 When I grew up, we were homeless for three years 500 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,320 and we went from homeless shelter to homeless shelter. 501 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,040 And the food that we had there was leftover junk food 502 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,960 and, even to this day, I still love that food, it's delicious. 503 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,000 Inspired by his childhood memories, 504 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,440 Homaro has a mission - 505 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,080 to find a way of reducing the amount of sugar we eat, 506 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,120 but without giving up sweet foods. 507 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,720 We're attacking just one small part of the obesity epidemic, 508 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,280 we are just trying to get desserts to be made without sugar 509 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,200 and we want them to taste better than the real thing. 510 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,440 At the heart of his plan is one small African berry. 511 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,800 Its potential to turn sour into sweet 512 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,800 has been known about for centuries, 513 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,040 but there's a snag. 514 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,280 This is freeze-dried miracle berry. 515 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,720 This has a value of probably around $400. 516 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,480 This little thing right here, 517 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,360 it's more expensive than truffles. 518 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,600 And this is where he has a secret. 519 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,680 What we do is we have to turn it into this. 520 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,120 It's basically hundreds of times cheaper than that. 521 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,160 But it does the same exact thing. 522 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,200 We add secret ingredients to it 523 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,040 and what we are going to do here is just, you know, 524 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,480 tell you basically what this does. 525 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,800 The power of the berry powder is that within minutes of eating it, 526 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,680 foods containing acid will taste really sweet. 527 00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:14,240 So first, you eat the powder, pause 528 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:17,680 and then any bitter citric flavour you eat afterwards 529 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,760 will be transformed into a sweet one. 530 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,320 I like to describe it like this - 531 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,680 not only is it the sweetest lemon that you've ever had, 532 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,120 it's the tastiest lemon you've ever had. 533 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,480 Each evening, the miracle berry sensation 534 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,760 will be part of the guests' experience. 535 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,480 But when they arrive, they know nothing of this. 536 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:57,360 This is the real deal - you are going to eat something 537 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,040 and then the flavours change while it's in your mouth. 538 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,840 That's a whole new world in gastronomy 539 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,800 that's never been tapped into. 540 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,920 It's like the real Willy Wonka part of food. 541 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,800 You know, we've heard a lot about Willy Wonka and science and food, 542 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,600 but that's all child play 543 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,280 compared to what happens when you flavour trip at iNG Restaurant. 544 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,240 Tonight, the dessert is course number six. 545 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:30,040 This is when the guests are introduced to the star of the show - 546 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,080 the berry. 547 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,960 Basically, what we give to the diners, 548 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,000 we'll just give them a little spoon of this, 549 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,880 they will eat that, it'll take about 60 seconds. 550 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,640 Once the lemon tastes sweet, 551 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,440 then they keep eating whatever they're eating. 552 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,000 The dessert is sugar-free and bland, 553 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,320 but after eating the miracle berry powder, 554 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,640 the hope is it will taste sweet and interesting. 555 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,040 In the centre here, you have the miracle berry in its powdered form. 556 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,560 What you do, you take the powder, put all of it onto your tongue, 557 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,200 let it soak into your palate. Once it's completely dissolved, 558 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,520 take a bite of the lemon and if it tastes like lemonade, 559 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,320 that means it's working. 560 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,760 Once the powder is sitting on the tongue, 561 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,160 it needs to be combined with acid. 562 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,800 Acid makes the sweet receptors pucker up 563 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,040 and our perception of sweetness explode. 564 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,120 It's sweeter now! 565 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,960 The berries contain a chemical, 566 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,640 a glycoprotein that's been called miraculin. 567 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,840 This changes shape with acid, 568 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,480 enhancing the sweet receptors so powerfully 569 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,440 that it drowns out the sour. 570 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,960 Oh, wow! 571 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,320 It just... Boom! It just wakes you up. 572 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,840 Oh, that's nice. 573 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,480 This feels good, 574 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,600 it doesn't, like, roll me off the back of the chair. 575 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,000 It's good! I like it. 576 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,120 Clearly, the berry gets a reaction, 577 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,240 but there's the problem of the gap. 578 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,320 You have to eat the powder before the food. 579 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,960 If you combine them, 580 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,920 the science suggests that you'll lose the effect. 581 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,680 The problem here is that you have to eat this berry 582 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,760 and then you drink your soda or you eat your cookie. 583 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,120 You know, that's for a small group of people, 584 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,960 like, diabetics would do that. 585 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,600 But what about, you know, a six-year-old kid? 586 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,640 They don't care what's going on on their tongue, 587 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,280 they just want their cookie. 588 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,280 So what we're going to solve is just that. 589 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,560 We're going to put the berry in the cookie, 590 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,120 so, that way, when you eat it, it tastes sweet, 591 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,800 but there's no glucose in this cookie whatsoever. 592 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,680 Do you think you're going to be able to do that? It is quite a difficult thing to do, isn't it? 593 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,480 Uh... We've already done it. We've done it on a small scale, 594 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,400 and now we need to take it to the next level. 595 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,560 Just because I can make something in a lab, 596 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,800 it doesn't mean that it's ready for prime time. 597 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,800 So that's our next step. 598 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,640 This challenge of tricking our taste, 599 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,280 luring us away from the seduction of sugar, is being taken up. 600 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,360 Working in a quiet corner of Florida, 601 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,000 Professor Harry Klee had come up with his own plan. 602 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,280 A plan that was to have implications that he could not have imagined. 603 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,760 He began his quest not in the present, 604 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,600 but by delving back into our past. 605 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,640 It's kind of the reverse of what we normally do in science. 606 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,720 We're going back 150 years to recapture what was lost. 607 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,640 Harry was casting back to a bygone age 608 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,520 to help with our contemporary problem with eating. 609 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,000 There's no doubt there's a problem with obesity in the developed world. 610 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,000 We are eating junk foods, 611 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:13,640 because we don't have foods that are healthy for us that taste as good. 612 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,360 He started by looking at the fruit we eat - 613 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,400 crops, he believes, are increasingly grown for shelf life, 614 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,040 not for flavour. 615 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,680 He decided to focus on one plant. 616 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,200 There are people who are growing up today 617 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,440 who have never tasted a really good tomato, 618 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,640 that don't even know what a good tomato is 619 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,680 and we need to fix that. 620 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,000 What inspired him to choose tomatoes 621 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,560 was a chance finding in an old bookstore. 622 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:56,040 I found this reference in a very old book from 1906 to these varieties 623 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,000 that kind of stirred my interest 624 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,320 and I said, "Well, it'd be really neat 625 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,400 "if we could find these varieties, 626 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,120 "and grow them and see what they taste like." 627 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,400 Harry set off on a massive tomato trail. 628 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,480 He sent off to seed banks, 629 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,080 he even followed up on people's personal preferences. 630 00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,760 We got large, round, red ones, 631 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,160 we got oblong yellow ones, 632 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,440 we got green and black ones. 633 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,480 We knocked on every door we could 634 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,640 and checked every website 635 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,520 and collected several hundred of these varieties 636 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,360 from all different sources around the world. 637 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:43,520 Logistically, this has been an absolute nightmare, 638 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,960 trying to grow these plants up. 639 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,280 Some of the plants do really well, some of them do really badly, 640 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,480 some of the really good plants give lousy fruit and you just wonder, 641 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,320 "What did people see in this tomato that they actually saved it?" 642 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,920 After two of years of research, 643 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,880 they'd recovered 200 lost varieties. 644 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,480 They then set out to understand the chemistry 645 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,960 that made the good ones taste the way they did. 646 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,400 We knew that sugars were going to be important 647 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,880 and we knew that acids were going to be important 648 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,960 and we knew that the gaseous compounds that you smell, 649 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,600 what we call volatiles, 650 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,040 some of them were going to be important. 651 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,680 But we really didn't have an idea 652 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,760 which ones would really drive people to like or dislike a tomato. 653 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,240 Harry's quest began. 654 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,600 Understanding the role of the sugars and acids 655 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,800 would be the straightforward part. 656 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,480 Finding out whether the volatiles would be important 657 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,040 and, if so, which, would be tricky. 658 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,400 As it turned out, this knowledge of volatiles 659 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,840 was going to have implications way beyond tomatoes. 660 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,720 But by the end of the process, 661 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:20,560 what Harry noticed was the sheer wealth of detail 662 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:21,920 that he was collecting. 663 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,040 There was incredible variation from tomato to tomato. 664 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,520 Far, far greater than we ever expected for the different varieties. 665 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,680 We'd see a hundred or a thousand fold differences sometimes 666 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,040 between different varieties, in some of these chemicals. 667 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,560 Armed with this new knowledge, Harry set up trials. 668 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,840 100 volunteers were recruited and asked to rate the tomatoes. 669 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,560 Which ones did they like best 670 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,600 and what was it about the tomatoes that they liked or disliked? 671 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:07,280 One of the things that we learned early on was that 672 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,520 sweetness is a huge component of a good-tasting tomato. 673 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,040 People like sweet. 674 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,840 Harry then looked at the chemistry of these favoured tomatoes, 675 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,400 chosen largely because of their sweetness. 676 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,560 And a pattern started to emerge. 677 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,000 What was really surprising to us 678 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,520 was that certain volatile chemicals 679 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,600 were actually making those fruits taste sweeter 680 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,280 than the amount of sugar that was in them. 681 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,560 What we found was things that we smell 682 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,840 were enhancing the perception on our tongue. 683 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,040 And that was unexpected. 684 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,960 In other words - our sense of smell means that two tomatoes 685 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,800 with the same amount of sugar could taste very different to us. 686 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,520 If one of those tomatoes has more volatiles, 687 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,480 it could taste much sweeter. 688 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,960 These volatiles were intriguing. 689 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,240 I have a few of them right here. 690 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:10,880 This first one - geranial. 691 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,560 To me, it smells like flowers, perfume... 692 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,720 It's not a bad smell, it doesn't smell anything like a tomato. 693 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:20,280 It doesn't smell sweet. 694 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,080 One of the volatiles that was a huge surprise was this one here - 695 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,520 isovaleric acid. 696 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,800 This is a really nasty chemical, 697 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,800 most of the people in my lab describe it 698 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,200 as the smell of dirty socks or a locker room. 699 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,960 It's really terrible 700 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,600 and you smell this and you can think of... 701 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,120 ..men running around naked with their underwear 702 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,120 and yet, this turns out to be a really important chemical 703 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,960 that's contributing to the perception of sweetness. 704 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,400 Not a single one of them smells like tomato, 705 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,280 not a single one of them particularly smells... 706 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,520 anything like a food product even 707 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,600 and yet, it's the combination of all of those chemicals 708 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,880 that make the tomato smell the way it smells 709 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,680 and make it taste the way it tastes. 710 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,200 Harry now knew which of the ancient, heirloom tomatoes were the sweet ones. 711 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,840 He knew they were the ones with extra volatiles. 712 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,680 But they were really hard to grow. 713 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,920 What he wondered was, 714 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,560 could he cross-breed these old, sweet favourites 715 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,280 with the hardy modern tomato to get the best of both worlds? 716 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,400 Can we take those varieties that people really like 717 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,200 but are just horrible to grow? 718 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,640 Can we very quickly turn those into something that still tastes great, 719 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,440 but actually has some performance of a modern variety. 720 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,640 Two years later, he had the result. 721 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,520 It was hardy and, he thought, delicious. 722 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,200 Now, it was all down to the consumers. 723 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,040 Much to our shock, people said, 724 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,400 "Hey, we like these just as much. 725 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,720 "They're just as good as the heirlooms." 726 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:25,760 And we're thinking, "This is great!" 727 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,800 Because these things make five times as much fruit 728 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,840 and the fruit are so much healthier 729 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,320 and the plants are so much healthier and they taste just as good. 730 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:42,400 But now, Harry's success with tomatoes gave him another idea. 731 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,240 Something that he had never set out to do. 732 00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,480 What if he could take these volatiles, 733 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,600 nature's natural sweeteners, 734 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,360 and use them in cakes or desserts? 735 00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:58,760 The next logical step is, 736 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,280 "Well, what happens if we take a food 737 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,960 "that has sugar, that's desirable because it's sweet, 738 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,400 "what if we take some of that sugar out 739 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,440 "and replace it with these volatiles 740 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,120 "that synergize to make it taste just as sweet, 741 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,720 "with less sugar in it?" 742 00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:17,560 And if we do that, 743 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,800 then we have the potential to take foods and improve them. 744 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:28,720 Harry's work on tomatoes could lead 745 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:33,000 to a natural, calorie-free, sweet alternative to sugar. 746 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,760 It's a bold idea, but he has been developing it 747 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,200 with the most pre-eminent scientist in taste. 748 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,200 We found a lot of volatiles 749 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,880 that were adding to the sweetness of the tomato 750 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,880 and had nothing to do with the sugar content of the tomato. 751 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,760 So, all of a sudden, we've got volatiles creating sweet. 752 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,200 Together, they've been preparing tests 753 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,200 to see how they can apply this to other sugary foods. 754 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,240 So far, it looks like it's going to work. 755 00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:10,880 We have to do all the experiments indicated - 756 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,680 take it out, put it in something else and see if it has an effect. 757 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,160 But the truth is, 758 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,880 I think the chances are that this is going to work broadly 759 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,320 in a lot of different foods and beverages. 760 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,400 It's possible that what started out as a mission 761 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,440 to promote the humble tomato, 762 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,480 could actually help our troubled relationship with sugar. 763 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,080 In theory, the things that we're doing 764 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,200 with the volatile enhancement of sweetness 765 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,280 could apply to fruit juices, could apply to desserts, 766 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:49,120 could apply to almost any food where you are combining products. 767 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:54,240 There's no reason that we can't make something taste just as sweet 768 00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:56,480 with less sugar in it. 769 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,520 You could see that very soon. 770 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,960 That could impact some of the products that are sold today. 771 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,640 Our brains tell us to eat sugar, 772 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,280 they tell us to go after sweet. 773 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,880 It's hardwired in the brain. 774 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,960 Now, can you fool the brain? 775 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,440 Can you provide it with sweet that's safe and that isn't sugar? 776 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,160 I think that's the Holy Grail. 777 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,680 Looking for different ways to trick our sense of taste 778 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,880 has become an active area of scientific research. 779 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,040 Although the very idea of manipulating what we eat, 780 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,040 even to make us healthy, raises obvious concerns. 781 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,600 But even if it can be done, 782 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,920 there's another hurdle to cross 783 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,400 and that leads us into a different science - 784 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,000 the science of us. 785 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,720 It's 6am at the Smithsonian Zoo, in Washington. 786 00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:23,400 And time for breakfast. 787 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,960 Preparing and delivering the right meal for each animal 788 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,360 for the day ahead. 789 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,680 Good morning, lion, tiger. Your diets have been delivered. 790 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:42,760 Have a good day. 791 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,120 Nutrition to wolf keeper. Your diets have been dropped off. 792 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,240 Have a good day. 793 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,600 Animal scientist and nutritionist Michael Power 794 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,000 knows exactly what each animal receives. 795 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,200 Animals with their food preference 796 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,160 have evolved over long periods of time. 797 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,160 When you bring animals into captivity, 798 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,280 you have a responsibility to them. 799 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,400 We have to give them a selection and choice, 800 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,960 while we also make sure the nutrition is right. 801 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,800 This means they have to put together a diet 802 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,240 that resembles what they've evolved to eat. 803 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,360 We too were once on the same evolutionary path, 804 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,160 but we've branched off. 805 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,920 We, as a species, have actually changed the fact 806 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,680 that we're capable of manipulating our environment and changing things 807 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,840 and actually, making our external environment more like we want it, 808 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,320 as opposed to the way it is. 809 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,920 We know we've evolved to prefer high-fat and high-sugar foods, 810 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,480 but, in nature, they never occur together in one food. 811 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,360 Bananas are high in sugar but are fat-free, 812 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,040 avocadoes are the opposite. 813 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,360 We can now put those all together in the same thing. 814 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:12,840 You come up with a candy bar 815 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,680 with, like, salty nuts in it and nice fat in there 816 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,760 and lots of sugar and chocolate all over and everything. 817 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,760 We only have to think about it. We simply say, 818 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,560 "Well, what do we want?" That's all we have to worry about. 819 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,800 What do we want and what's easy to get. 820 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,840 Also, the speed at which we have changed our environment 821 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,480 means that we have not evolved to deal with the endless supply. 822 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,080 Our ancestors never needed to know when to stop, 823 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,240 because there were always times when food was scarce. 824 00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:51,760 We never evolved a protective barrier against too much, 825 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,120 because there never was too much before. 826 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,200 The external environment put the barrier on 827 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,280 and now, though, we can produce too much and we love it. 828 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,560 And so would all the animals in the zoo. 829 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,600 Given a chance, they'd choose a diet like ours, 830 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,520 only the zoo doesn't let them. 831 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,720 In a sense, what you look at is the animals in the zoo are probably in general getting a better diet 832 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:23,240 than most of the people who come to watch them. 833 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,640 And this is the puzzle. 834 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:32,800 Why do we willingly eat too much of the food we know is bad for us? 835 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,280 There's been years and years of study, trying to figure out 836 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:46,920 what controls our appetite, how can we control what we eat. 837 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,760 And all of it basically revolves around looking at it 838 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,280 from a nutritional basis. 839 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,440 The problem with human beings is that 840 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,000 that's not what food means only to us any more. 841 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,920 We eat in meals, we eat with other people. 842 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,880 So now, a meal, sitting and eating, 843 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,840 has more to do than with just the food, with just the nutrition, 844 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,200 it has to do with the whole social context. 845 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:15,040 Very, very different scenario from what a chimpanzee does 846 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,800 or an orang-utan does or a gorilla does. 847 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,880 It could be a pleasurable one, 848 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:24,360 it could have politics involved, it could have sex involved. 849 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,920 It could be dating, it could be meeting new people. 850 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,200 The business lunch. 851 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,400 A meal is something we use to accomplish purposes 852 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,240 besides filling our bellies. 853 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,680 We are the ultimate social animal. 854 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,600 It's what has made us the dominant species. 855 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,240 Yet, this asset comes with a potential weakness. 856 00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:50,920 If the social group has come to be eating too much of the wrong food, 857 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,600 it's hard to be the one who doesn't. 858 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,120 If the people in your social group are eating a certain kind of food, 859 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:03,520 well, that's the kind of food that you're also going to want to eat. 860 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,040 So if you're determined to diet, it makes it difficult for you. 861 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,400 You have one part of your biology, the social part, 862 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,040 telling you to go this way 863 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,320 and the part that's listened to maybe the nutritionist and the scientist 864 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,720 saying, "No, no, no, I should be eating this for my health." 865 00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:19,680 And then, your stomach is trying to tell you whether it's full or not, 866 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,000 but that isn't necessarily what you're listening to, 867 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,520 depending on the circumstances. 868 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,680 If you're sitting there happily chatting away 869 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,320 or everybody else orders dessert, 870 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,520 you say, "Well, yes, I could eat a little bit more. 871 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,440 "Yes, I'll have that dessert too." 872 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:39,280 We all know that meals are about much more than food. 873 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,400 You kind of just keep going. 874 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,760 As long as there's conversation, you're still eating 875 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,600 and that will probably be more than you actually need. 876 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,080 If food was just about nutrition, 877 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,440 there wouldn't be so many overweight people. 878 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,760 But, to me, it's about feeling safe 879 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,520 and feeling needed and wanted. 880 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:02,800 SHE CHUCKLES 881 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,560 It gives you a nice sensation that you're looking after them. 882 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:12,560 I've put on about two stone in the last year since I met my boyfriend, 883 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,000 because we both love food. 884 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,120 You can justify it to yourself better 885 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,520 if you've got someone else sitting, doing it there with you. 886 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,160 It's an easy trap to fall into. 887 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,440 I don't want my children to grow up 888 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,880 with an attitude to food like I've got, 889 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,360 and I will do everything in my power to make sure that they're healthy. 890 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,760 We're pulled in different directions 891 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,920 between our desire to be healthy 892 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,640 and our basic human nature. 893 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,400 With our understanding of taste, 894 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,920 we may have created a technology that can help us deal with this. 895 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,000 We're a clever species, we got ourselves into this mess. 896 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,840 It's possible that there are technological ways out of it, 897 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,760 but there is decent evidence out there that says 898 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,240 that just because you give someone a sweet taste with no calories, 899 00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:18,160 that may actually increase their food intake. 900 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,560 It may not actually allow them to eat less food. 901 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,800 So it's a very difficult, a very difficult problem. 902 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,360 In Florida, the scientists think 903 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,200 their technology can make some contribution, 904 00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,600 if we use it wisely. 905 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,920 Humans just, by our genetic make-up, 906 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,040 like sweet and there's no way around that. 907 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,760 So let's give sweet in a package 908 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,400 that's a little healthier for you. 909 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,280 I don't think that that's a bad thing. 910 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,040 I think it's a very good thing. 911 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:59,800 I think what we're doing is applying knowledge that we got, 912 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,960 that we didn't expect to find, 913 00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:08,240 this was serendipitous, but let's take it and use it to our advantage, 914 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,120 to improve the human diet. 915 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,600 I see no problem at all with that, 916 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,640 I'm very excited about that. 917 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,080 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd 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