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It was the scariest thing
I've ever experienced.
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I was terrified
out of my mind.
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It was something not human.
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Something evil was trying
to get into the house.
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I was afraid
that I might die.
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Dad, don't!
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I said, "Let's go ghost
hunting here one night."
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What's that?
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It turned out to be
nothing like what I expected.
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I didn't expect it
to be haunted.
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I just expected he and I
would have fun,
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and it was
phenomenally haunted.
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It was unbelievable.
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My name's Michaela.
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I have both a respect
and a fear for this thing
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that I never thought that
I would ever experience
in my life.
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I was afraid
that this creature
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might kill me.
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My name
is Bryon Jordan Meller.
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I'm Michaela's
younger brother.
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It definitely was the most
terrified I've ever been
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in my whole entire life.
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We are Cherokee Indian.
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We come from a long line,
at least ten generations,
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of medicine men and women.
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And that's
on my mother's side.
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My Native grandparents,
they would share stories
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and legends with us.
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We would go
to my grandparents
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when I was younger almost
every weekend, honestly.
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All the time.
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They're really
sweet people,
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and they've always taught us
to keep an open mind.
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My grandparents would take us
out to explore the woods.
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I just like to go
hunting with my grandpa.
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We loved
spending time with them.
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- All good?
- Yeah.
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Our parents were divorced,
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so we were kind of
the product of a broken
family, unfortunately.
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My father is very logical.
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He's always studying,
and he's very much...
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There is always
an explanation for everything.
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He prefers
to look at the facts
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and only the facts.
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Since my dad was practical
and my grandparents
were more spiritual,
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I was hesitant
about some things,
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but I was also
very open-minded.
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So willing to, you know,
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accept things
for what they are.
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We moved
into a little town
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just outside
of St. Louis, Missouri,
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on the Illinois side
of the Mississippi River.
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I was already in my 20s,
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and my brother
was about to turn 20.
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But we were still
living at home
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because we were
going to school.
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There's forests
from one side
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crossing the whole
entire length of our backyard.
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It's a very open backyard.
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Beyond that, it opens up
into just a wooded area.
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My dog's name was Cicero.
He was the sweetest dog.
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I don't think
he could hurt a fly.
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Cicero, what do you want?
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He was wonderful.
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I'm sleeping.
Want to go out? Let's go.
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I woke up at 3:00
because Cicero
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had to go outside
and use the bathroom.
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Come on, Cicero. Let's go.
Let's go outside. Come on.
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I put the leash on.
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We went outside.
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He got distracted
and was like,
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"I'm going to play around
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instead of going
to the bathroom."
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Cicero?
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And, so, I, you know...
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I whistled at him
to get his attention.
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What is going on?
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There was
no sound around me,
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and I thought
that was a little peculiar
because he...
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Especially at this house,
you know,
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there's a lot of cicadas.
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But there was...
There was no noise.
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I thought
that was a little odd.
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Cicero pushed himself up
against my legs,
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and at that point
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is when everything else
unfolded.
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He was whimpering and scared,
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and then that's
when I felt the prickle,
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like, of my hair starting
to stand on end
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and I felt weird,
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like tingling
on the back of my neck.
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And then I knew something,
something was off.
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He was very on guard
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and, like, looked like
he was ready to lunge.
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I kind of followed Cicero's
eyesight at that point,
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and that's when I saw
what he was seeing.
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So I'm looking
at this creature,
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but I notice its, like, fur
is very patchy,
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and then I saw its eyes.
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And that's what really
chilled me to the bone
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because I could feel its eyes
making contact with me.
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Like, it wasn't like,
you know...
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If it was a coyote
and it would've saw me,
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it would've just run away.
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It seemed almost like
it was sizing me up.
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I was terrified
out of my mind.
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This was not a normal thing.
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Never in my life
had I experienced
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anything like this,
seen anything like it.
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The back legs were longer
than any animal
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I'd ever seen before.
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It was disgusting.
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I felt sick to my stomach.
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And I know my dog Cicero
was just as terrified.
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I was afraid
that this creature
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might kill me.
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I realized that I needed
to get away,
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and I knew that this thing
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was going to be
a lot faster than I was,
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so it took everything in me
to just sprint to the door.
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I heard a noise inside
of my kitchen,
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and I came running out
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and it was my sister
standing there.
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I definitely thought
it had the potential
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to be an intruder.
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Michaela, what's going on?
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There's
this creature outside.
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My sister was just
standing there, pale-faced,
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she didn't know what to do
or say at the moment.
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So I thought something
seriously bad had happened.
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There's this thing outside.
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What thing?
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At the time I felt
worried for my sister.
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Do you remember
the stories from Grandma?
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The creature,
it's called a skinwalker.
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It's a little bit taboo
to say its name.
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It brings misfortune.
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It's a Navajo legend,
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or at least that's what I was
always raised to believe.
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She whispered
that she saw a skinwalker.
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I didn't believe her
at first.
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I was really worried
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that it was actually
somebody trying to hurt us.
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It's out there.
We have to lock the windows.
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Couldn't possibly
have been a skinwalker.
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Go do the dining room
and the hallway.
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- I'll go do the rest.
- Okay.
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Go.
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It looked like
she was in shock.
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She was shaken
and pale-faced,
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and just overall scared.
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Cicero at this point
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was in the living room
with us.
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He was trying to hide
under the coffee table.
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We went to the windows
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and just double-checked
and everything.
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We turned off all the lights.
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And that's when
I saw the silhouette.
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The silhouette
of like a humanoid thing.
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But it certainly wasn't human.
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It looked like,
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from what I was seeing
with the long face.
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Like it could've been,
like, a snout.
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Nobody human would
look like that, honestly.
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Like, it didn't make
any sense to me. At all.
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But it was at my window.
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It was like something out
of a Stephen King book.
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It wasn't anything normal
people would experience.
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We never even thought
to wake up our dad.
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We didn't think
he would believe us.
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My heart felt like
it was gonna burst
right out of my chest.
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The handle started to turn,
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and I realized
that it wasn't locked.
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I again was
frozen in fear.
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I had to do something
right then and there.
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And that's when we quickly
grabbed the handle,
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and we locked it
as quick as we could.
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And then I heard my grandpa's
voice mimic from it,
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and it mimicked my grandpa's
voice almost perfectly,
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trying to tell me
that I should let him in
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and that I was being
disrespectful, basically,
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for not letting him
in the house.
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Even though he was all
the way in North Carolina.
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Bryon. Open the door.
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Bryon,
you must open the door.
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Once I heard it,
I was pretty much speechless.
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I didn't really know
what to make of it,
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and I felt like it was
literally draining me
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of all my energy that I had.
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Almost as if it was
eating my soul slowly.
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Bryon, let me in!
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Open the door!
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It spoke
to my brother in the voice
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of one of the most important
people in his life.
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Open the door!
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Bryon, open the door!
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No. Don't!
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I had heard
from my grandparents
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that it does need permission
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of some sort
before it can enter.
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It can't come in
unless you explicitly tell it,
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"You're welcome here."
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I didn't know what
to do or what to make of it,
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but at first...
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I've never been
in that situation,
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so it honestly scared
the crap out of me.
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And then finally,
I would say around sunrise,
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it just stopped.
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Tell me again.
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Dad. It's this creature
from the Navajo legends.
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I'm sorry, Michaela.
It sounds silly.
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The next morning
and my dad
was making breakfast,
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my brother and I
recount the happenings
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from the night before,
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and we, you know,
let him know
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what this creature is
and he's like,
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"No, that wasn't what it was.
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It's probably
just one of your friends
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messing with you."
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Honestly, I don't know.
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But I was never
so scared in my life.
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He definitely laughed
at what we were talking about.
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He thought
that it was just a joke
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or that we were
messing with him,
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or that we just saw something.
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He thought it was
completely silly for us
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to believe that
we saw a skinwalker.
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My dad is definitely
a skeptical person.
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He's one of those people
that he has to see it
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to believe it, otherwise,
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he won't even give it
a second thought.
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I called my
grandmother who's Cherokee.
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A medicine woman,
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so she understands
these things.
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No, it was unlike anything
I've ever seen.
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Not out in the woods,
not anywhere.
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After I told her everything,
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she went into the things
I was going to need
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to help defend the home
against this creature.
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Do you think
it's going to come back?
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Yeah, it knows you.
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You need juniper ash
to go around the house.
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Oh, okay.
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And they're dangerous.
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You've got to get rid
of this thing.
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The idea
of the juniper ash
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is to make like a barrier
around the home.
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I didn't get off work
until, like, nine o'clock
at night.
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So I was a little panicked
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because I had no way
of obtaining these,
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like, items
at that particular moment.
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When I pulled
into the driveway after work,
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that's when I started to get
a little nervous again
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00:17:36,333 --> 00:17:39,103
and my heart started
to pound a little bit.
255
00:17:52,066 --> 00:17:53,196
The idea of going back home
256
00:17:53,233 --> 00:17:55,133
and having to deal with it
again for another night
257
00:17:55,166 --> 00:17:56,496
did make me nervous.
258
00:17:58,100 --> 00:18:00,230
We locked the door.
259
00:18:00,266 --> 00:18:02,926
Maybe it's not going
to come back and bother us.
260
00:18:02,967 --> 00:18:04,097
Maybe we're fine.
261
00:18:05,567 --> 00:18:06,697
Good night.
262
00:18:06,734 --> 00:18:07,774
- Good night.
- Good night.
263
00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,300
After my dad went to bed,
264
00:18:12,333 --> 00:18:14,733
about two hours had passed.
265
00:18:16,834 --> 00:18:19,634
It was about 2:30
with nothing going on.
266
00:18:28,734 --> 00:18:29,704
Did you hear that?
267
00:18:29,734 --> 00:18:31,634
We started
to hear the tapping.
268
00:18:46,233 --> 00:18:50,503
It was more determined
and aggressive this time.
269
00:19:05,734 --> 00:19:07,474
And then it was quiet.
270
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,800
The creature's figure
was there in the window again.
271
00:20:01,734 --> 00:20:04,704
It sounded just
like it did the night before,
272
00:20:04,734 --> 00:20:07,404
and then that's when
my brother and I,
273
00:20:07,433 --> 00:20:09,973
we started saying this prayer
274
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,300
that my grandmother
had instructed us to.
275
00:20:14,433 --> 00:20:16,733
I was starting
to get really nervous
276
00:20:16,767 --> 00:20:19,467
because I knew that,
eventually, my dad
would wake up.
277
00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:22,870
I knew that he was
going to open the door,
278
00:20:22,900 --> 00:20:25,270
and that's the one thing
we were supposed to not do,
279
00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:26,600
is open the door
and let it in.
280
00:20:26,634 --> 00:20:29,074
It was something not human.
281
00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:31,500
Something evil was trying
to get into the house.
282
00:20:32,433 --> 00:20:35,333
And that's when it started
to get louder.
283
00:20:39,634 --> 00:20:44,634
It went from tapping
to banging,
284
00:20:44,667 --> 00:20:46,767
and it was pounding
on the door.
285
00:20:49,333 --> 00:20:50,733
When it started pounding,
286
00:20:50,767 --> 00:20:52,967
I definitely
got really scared.
287
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,300
It sounded like this thing
288
00:20:54,333 --> 00:20:57,703
was having
a severe temper tantrum.
289
00:20:57,734 --> 00:20:59,874
Like we were
making it so angry.
290
00:20:59,900 --> 00:21:03,030
It sounded so forceful
and so strong.
291
00:21:03,066 --> 00:21:04,266
Bryon, Michaela.
292
00:21:04,300 --> 00:21:06,870
What is going on?
What is all the noise?
293
00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:10,270
My dad comes running
down the stairs.
294
00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:12,970
I told him not to open
the door and my sister said,
295
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,830
"It's the same thing
from last night."
296
00:21:15,700 --> 00:21:18,300
But my dad didn't believe it.
297
00:21:18,333 --> 00:21:20,633
He thought it was just
our friends messing with us.
298
00:21:21,033 --> 00:21:21,873
Dad, don't!
299
00:21:22,700 --> 00:21:24,230
It's 2:30 in the morning.
300
00:21:37,533 --> 00:21:40,133
And he comes face to face
with this creature.
301
00:21:43,166 --> 00:21:47,326
We're like, "This is it.
Like, we're done for now."
302
00:21:47,367 --> 00:21:50,697
He went from having color
on his face to none at all.
303
00:21:50,734 --> 00:21:53,474
So I have no doubt that
he definitely saw it.
304
00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:57,170
He just stood there,
305
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,200
and his hand was still
on the doorknob,
306
00:21:59,233 --> 00:22:02,703
so there was no space
between him
and this creature.
307
00:22:02,734 --> 00:22:06,704
But instead of attacking
or harming my dad,
308
00:22:06,734 --> 00:22:10,934
it got on all fours
and just ran away.
309
00:22:15,367 --> 00:22:18,497
It went from
angry to scared,
310
00:22:18,533 --> 00:22:19,473
like, in a snap.
311
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,430
"Holy cow, whatever my kids
were talking about was real."
312
00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:32,533
Dad, are you okay?
313
00:22:36,467 --> 00:22:37,597
It's gone.
314
00:22:39,734 --> 00:22:42,234
Go to bed. Go.
315
00:22:48,533 --> 00:22:50,933
And we all went
our separate ways
316
00:22:50,967 --> 00:22:51,927
and went to bed.
317
00:23:11,433 --> 00:23:14,403
I'd collected juniper ash
318
00:23:14,433 --> 00:23:16,933
as my grandma
had instructed me to.
319
00:23:18,266 --> 00:23:20,626
You go north to east,
to south to west,
320
00:23:20,667 --> 00:23:22,497
to back to north
until you know
321
00:23:22,533 --> 00:23:25,103
you just kind of covered
the entire perimeter
322
00:23:25,133 --> 00:23:26,233
of the home.
323
00:23:26,266 --> 00:23:27,326
So that's what I did.
324
00:23:27,367 --> 00:23:30,727
Again, it's a very,
very tedious process,
325
00:23:30,767 --> 00:23:33,567
but you do what you have to,
to, you know,
326
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,600
protect the ones
that you love.
327
00:23:37,133 --> 00:23:39,133
Knowing that my sister had,
328
00:23:39,166 --> 00:23:40,996
you know, burned the sage
through the house
329
00:23:41,033 --> 00:23:43,103
made me feel a lot better.
330
00:23:43,133 --> 00:23:44,273
You know,
because I just thought
331
00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:46,300
that it would be
pretty much over with,
332
00:23:46,333 --> 00:23:48,903
and that no more spirits
would come
333
00:23:48,934 --> 00:23:51,534
because they wouldn't be
even able to get to our door.
334
00:23:57,500 --> 00:23:58,900
What are you doing?
335
00:23:58,934 --> 00:24:00,174
Making sure
it doesn't come back.
336
00:24:01,667 --> 00:24:02,827
Are we not
going to talk about it?
337
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,330
No.
338
00:24:04,367 --> 00:24:06,997
So are we not going
to talk about this thing
339
00:24:07,033 --> 00:24:08,273
that happened last night?
340
00:24:09,033 --> 00:24:12,803
And my dad just said, "No."
341
00:24:12,834 --> 00:24:14,404
He's like, "I don't
know what it was.
342
00:24:14,433 --> 00:24:15,403
I can't explain it,
343
00:24:15,433 --> 00:24:17,533
so it must
not have been real."
344
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,630
And you could see
that my dad
345
00:24:19,667 --> 00:24:21,127
was afraid still.
346
00:24:21,166 --> 00:24:23,726
He was awake
when this happened.
347
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,800
He was perfectly conscious.
348
00:24:26,834 --> 00:24:29,674
He said,
"If I can't explain it,
349
00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:31,500
it's not real.
Nothing happened."
350
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,870
You saw it.
It was there.
351
00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:36,300
I have told my dad
that he needs to admit
352
00:24:36,333 --> 00:24:37,703
that he saw it, you know?
353
00:24:37,734 --> 00:24:40,804
And that he can't explain
what it was
354
00:24:40,834 --> 00:24:42,474
or anything like that,
355
00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:45,400
but he's just, you know,
headstrong
356
00:24:45,433 --> 00:24:46,903
over his denial thing.
357
00:24:46,934 --> 00:24:49,534
I don't think he wants
to admit that he saw it.
358
00:24:59,834 --> 00:25:02,734
It's said
that if you whistle
359
00:25:02,767 --> 00:25:05,397
or, like, hum
or sing certain tunes,
360
00:25:05,433 --> 00:25:08,903
that it allows
these creatures to find you.
361
00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:22,770
And so that's when I realized
that my whistling at it
362
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,870
is what brought it,
363
00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:25,630
at least to where I was.
364
00:25:26,967 --> 00:25:32,467
I moved out September of 2019,
and I moved in
with my fiance.
365
00:25:33,834 --> 00:25:34,934
It never came back.
366
00:25:36,634 --> 00:25:39,104
I usually go visit my dad
and my brother
367
00:25:39,133 --> 00:25:40,803
about once a week
368
00:25:40,834 --> 00:25:43,474
and while I'm there,
I usually try to make sure
369
00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:45,830
that the juniper line
is okay.
370
00:25:47,133 --> 00:25:49,603
I definitely feel
safer inside the house now.
371
00:25:49,634 --> 00:25:51,634
I know that if there's
a knock on the door,
372
00:25:51,667 --> 00:25:55,267
it's got to be somebody
and not just something.
373
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:57,130
It puts my mind at ease.
374
00:25:57,166 --> 00:26:00,196
I had to get rid of Cicero.
375
00:26:00,233 --> 00:26:03,833
After that night,
he completely changed.
376
00:26:03,867 --> 00:26:06,497
It wasn't a good place
for him anymore.
377
00:26:06,533 --> 00:26:09,973
I don't know what it was
about this creature
378
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,400
that changed him so much,
but he was...
379
00:26:15,467 --> 00:26:17,197
He wasn't my puppy anymore.
380
00:26:19,467 --> 00:26:22,667
I ended up taking him
to our local shelter
381
00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:25,630
and within a few days
of being there,
382
00:26:25,667 --> 00:26:26,667
he was adopted.
383
00:26:28,567 --> 00:26:30,827
It's not anybody's fault
that this happened.
384
00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:33,430
I put a lot of it on me,
385
00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:35,527
but I know that it could've
happened to anybody.
386
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:43,970
I don't really go
in the woods anymore
387
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,800
because I know
it came from the woods,
388
00:26:46,834 --> 00:26:48,874
and they
just spook me out now.
389
00:27:01,166 --> 00:27:02,596
I said, "Let's go
ghost hunting here
390
00:27:02,634 --> 00:27:03,534
one night."
391
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:06,870
What's happening?
392
00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:09,900
It turned out to be nothing
like what I expected.
393
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,430
Didn't expect it
to be haunted.
394
00:27:12,467 --> 00:27:14,627
I just expected
he and I would have fun
395
00:27:14,667 --> 00:27:16,867
and it was
phenomenally haunted.
396
00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:18,270
It was unbelievable.
397
00:27:26,533 --> 00:27:29,303
I'm Robert Ainsley,
and I live in Austin, Texas.
398
00:27:29,333 --> 00:27:31,103
I believe the spirits
attacked me
399
00:27:31,133 --> 00:27:33,503
and put me in the hospital,
and the doctor said,
400
00:27:33,533 --> 00:27:35,103
"Something
is trying to kill you."
401
00:27:35,133 --> 00:27:38,203
That's when I really,
really got terrified.
402
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,930
I came here in 1975
403
00:27:41,967 --> 00:27:43,997
to go to the
University of Texas,
404
00:27:44,033 --> 00:27:45,803
and then I became
a sergeant
405
00:27:45,834 --> 00:27:47,504
within the Austin Police
Department,
406
00:27:47,533 --> 00:27:50,603
and then later left to go
work for a Fortune 50 company.
407
00:27:50,634 --> 00:27:53,304
With all the stock options,
I was able to retire early.
408
00:27:55,567 --> 00:27:57,667
After that,
I joined as a volunteer
409
00:27:57,700 --> 00:27:59,430
with the
Austin School of Film.
410
00:27:59,467 --> 00:28:02,397
In my spare time,
I would go film out
411
00:28:02,433 --> 00:28:04,373
in the woods,
out on the lake.
412
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,630
Especially at night.
413
00:28:15,767 --> 00:28:19,097
And I came upon
this abandoned lake house
414
00:28:19,133 --> 00:28:20,633
out in the middle
of the woods.
415
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,070
And being a police officer
and interested,
416
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:38,970
I couldn't resist.
I had to go check it out.
417
00:28:40,033 --> 00:28:42,103
But there were no signs,
there was no fences.
418
00:28:42,133 --> 00:28:45,033
It was standing wide open.
It was abandoned.
419
00:28:45,066 --> 00:28:47,726
And when I went inside,
there was no graffiti.
420
00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:51,167
There was no smell
from animals.
421
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,530
And so it felt to me
as if maybe
422
00:28:53,567 --> 00:28:54,727
it had just been abandoned.
423
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,470
Is there anybody here?
424
00:28:58,533 --> 00:28:59,473
Hello?
425
00:29:01,033 --> 00:29:01,933
Is anybody here?
426
00:29:03,367 --> 00:29:04,727
I just felt drawn to it.
427
00:29:04,767 --> 00:29:07,027
I didn't... I don't know why,
I just felt drawn to it.
428
00:29:08,834 --> 00:29:11,774
I was looking for something
that my son and I could do,
429
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,500
and I knew he liked
those ghost-hunter
type shows.
430
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:17,300
We had talked
about going ghost hunting
431
00:29:17,333 --> 00:29:19,303
in the past,
but we'd never done it.
432
00:29:19,333 --> 00:29:21,803
And this opportunity
presented itself.
433
00:29:24,934 --> 00:29:27,634
So I texted him and said,
"Hey, what do you think?
434
00:29:27,667 --> 00:29:29,267
You want to go ghost
hunting with me?"
435
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:30,500
He said, "Yeah. Sure!"
436
00:29:30,533 --> 00:29:32,073
And what I expected was
437
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:33,900
that he and I would
scare each other,
438
00:29:33,934 --> 00:29:36,574
and we'd just have
a great time.
439
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,700
I didn't expect
there'd actually be
anything in there.
440
00:29:43,634 --> 00:29:44,534
Okay. What have we got here?
441
00:29:45,934 --> 00:29:47,234
- Night vision.
- Yeah.
442
00:29:47,266 --> 00:29:50,126
My son and I didn't
really have any idea
443
00:29:50,166 --> 00:29:51,296
of what we were doing,
444
00:29:51,333 --> 00:29:53,633
so we did
some research on it
445
00:29:53,667 --> 00:29:54,667
and got an idea
446
00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:57,230
of what kind
of equipment we needed.
447
00:29:57,266 --> 00:29:59,296
And so we just grabbed
what we could carry.
448
00:30:09,367 --> 00:30:11,727
We were
just surrounded by woods.
449
00:30:11,767 --> 00:30:15,327
It was terrifying
even though we didn't know
450
00:30:15,367 --> 00:30:16,797
if there was anything there.
451
00:30:19,634 --> 00:30:22,274
We kept straining to hear
452
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:24,930
if there was
anything in there,
453
00:30:24,967 --> 00:30:26,167
anything for us
to worry about.
454
00:30:43,634 --> 00:30:46,304
At first it was quiet,
even with your footsteps.
455
00:30:46,333 --> 00:30:47,773
The floorboards
didn't even creak.
456
00:31:16,533 --> 00:31:17,573
What was that?
457
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,070
At first,
it was just a knock here,
458
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,730
a knock over there.
459
00:31:22,767 --> 00:31:25,567
And then we were
hearing sounds we had
never heard before.
460
00:31:38,734 --> 00:31:41,904
But we're sure that there was
an explanation for it.
461
00:31:42,533 --> 00:31:45,333
That pipes were shaking
462
00:31:45,367 --> 00:31:47,367
or that the wind
was causing something.
463
00:31:55,233 --> 00:31:57,073
What is that pounding?
464
00:31:57,100 --> 00:32:01,070
And then it started
building into a crescendo
465
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:03,470
where it was doing
more and more
466
00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:05,030
and more knocking
and pounding.
467
00:32:28,567 --> 00:32:30,397
We kept whispering
to each other,
468
00:32:30,433 --> 00:32:32,873
"What in the world
are we hearing?
469
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:33,930
What is this going on?"
470
00:32:36,066 --> 00:32:37,426
And as we walked,
471
00:32:37,467 --> 00:32:41,267
we could feel knocks
were underneath our feet
472
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:42,630
and were following us
473
00:32:42,667 --> 00:32:44,967
as we went around
through the place.
474
00:32:45,767 --> 00:32:47,097
I whispered to my son,
475
00:32:47,133 --> 00:32:49,273
"I think something's
following us."
476
00:32:59,734 --> 00:33:01,604
And having been
a police officer
477
00:33:01,634 --> 00:33:03,934
and been in buildings
in the middle of the night
478
00:33:03,967 --> 00:33:05,997
and hearing all of the
creaking and popping,
479
00:33:06,033 --> 00:33:08,473
and things that can happen
with air conditioning,
480
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:10,100
and all of that,
481
00:33:10,133 --> 00:33:13,973
I was just convinced
that if we looked hard enough,
482
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,770
that we would find
a natural explanation
483
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,800
for all these things.
484
00:33:18,533 --> 00:33:19,373
Ethan.
485
00:33:23,333 --> 00:33:24,173
Come on.
486
00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:30,930
We went downstairs
into the basement,
487
00:33:30,967 --> 00:33:32,897
and the air
got really oppressive.
488
00:33:38,533 --> 00:33:39,673
And that's where
there was a mirror,
489
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:42,870
a gigantic mirror
that was behind the bar.
490
00:33:57,734 --> 00:33:59,774
And I had my laser
temperature gun,
491
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,070
immediately the temperature
dropped all the way
492
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:05,170
below freezing
until the point that
my gun said, "Error,"
493
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,700
"ERR" on it.
494
00:34:06,734 --> 00:34:09,374
And then there was
a resounding pounding
495
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:10,700
or a knock on the wall.
496
00:34:14,266 --> 00:34:16,966
Then I started having
497
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,030
a bit of a panic attack
498
00:34:20,066 --> 00:34:24,096
that there's something here
that I don't understand
499
00:34:24,133 --> 00:34:26,733
because I just couldn't
find that answer.
500
00:34:26,767 --> 00:34:29,867
I got really scared
and panicky.
501
00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:33,230
And my son was
absolutely terrified.
502
00:34:59,567 --> 00:35:01,927
I wanted to get to the bottom
of what all this was,
503
00:35:01,967 --> 00:35:04,267
because at this point
I still was not convinced
504
00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:05,230
it was paranormal.
505
00:35:05,266 --> 00:35:06,366
I was convinced
506
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,770
that there was some kind
of explanation for it.
507
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,030
My son was convinced
it was paranormal
508
00:35:11,066 --> 00:35:13,996
and he was literally
coming out of his skin.
509
00:35:14,033 --> 00:35:15,473
He was terrified of it.
510
00:35:16,467 --> 00:35:18,427
I'm out of here.
I can't take any more of this.
511
00:35:18,467 --> 00:35:19,897
And so we ran.
512
00:35:19,934 --> 00:35:22,204
We literally
ran up the stairs.
513
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,100
I dropped my son off
by his apartment,
514
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:36,573
and I kept
all of the equipment.
515
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,770
And I went back home
and actually
516
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,430
put everything up in my desk
and got distracted.
517
00:35:44,233 --> 00:35:46,003
I had waited,
518
00:35:46,033 --> 00:35:47,933
I believe it was
several weeks,
519
00:35:47,967 --> 00:35:50,427
before I actually looked
at the footage.
520
00:35:50,467 --> 00:35:51,827
Because understand
at this point,
521
00:35:51,867 --> 00:35:53,497
I'm still not convinced
522
00:35:53,533 --> 00:35:55,873
that anything paranormal
was involved.
523
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:57,100
I was very, very skeptical.
524
00:35:58,266 --> 00:36:00,666
I loaded all of the footage
into my computer
525
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,630
and was shocked.
526
00:36:03,166 --> 00:36:04,226
I heard a growl,
527
00:36:04,266 --> 00:36:07,296
but there was something wrong
with the growl.
528
00:36:07,333 --> 00:36:09,173
It didn't sound like
any animal
529
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,600
that I was familiar with.
530
00:36:34,367 --> 00:36:37,167
I sat back and just stared
at my computer monitor
531
00:36:37,934 --> 00:36:39,134
for a long time.
532
00:36:40,934 --> 00:36:44,634
From that point on, my son
said he is not going back.
533
00:36:44,667 --> 00:36:46,067
He just doesn't feel safe.
534
00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:47,200
He doesn't know
what's in there.
535
00:37:02,233 --> 00:37:06,033
I had a complicated
push/pull of emotions
536
00:37:06,066 --> 00:37:07,826
where the adrenaline
537
00:37:07,867 --> 00:37:09,867
was pulling me
towards the place
538
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:11,330
and something
was calling me,
539
00:37:11,367 --> 00:37:12,967
but then the other half of me
540
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,570
was starting
to become terrified
541
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,330
that there perhaps
is something here
542
00:37:16,367 --> 00:37:17,827
that I don't understand,
543
00:37:17,867 --> 00:37:19,227
and I'm not prepared
to deal with.
544
00:37:25,934 --> 00:37:28,474
As a police officer,
the only way to do it
545
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:31,570
is to keep collecting more
and more and more
546
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,200
of my own
personal experiences.
547
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:40,670
While I was there that night,
I had another camera
548
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:44,400
that was inside the camera bag
that I slung over my shoulder.
549
00:37:47,433 --> 00:37:49,373
They pulled the camera
out of the bag
550
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,870
and flung it across the room,
and it crashed on the floor.
551
00:37:58,266 --> 00:38:01,096
And so I went over
and picked up the camera,
552
00:38:01,133 --> 00:38:02,233
put it in my bag and left.
553
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:19,700
And I would have dreams
about this house.
554
00:38:19,734 --> 00:38:21,804
And I would wake up
the next day and say,
555
00:38:21,834 --> 00:38:23,434
"I've got to go back
to that house."
556
00:38:25,333 --> 00:38:29,303
I think the house was
trying to beckon me back.
557
00:38:31,233 --> 00:38:33,133
I went in one night.
558
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,970
All this time, I'd been
filming the mirror.
559
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,800
The minute I would
start filming,
560
00:38:38,834 --> 00:38:42,434
with any of my cameras,
it would begin to fog over.
561
00:38:42,467 --> 00:38:45,067
And different things
would start to come and go.
562
00:38:47,467 --> 00:38:50,027
In the top right
is this creature
563
00:38:50,066 --> 00:38:51,726
with its two big black eyes.
564
00:38:51,767 --> 00:38:53,097
It was absolutely
frightening.
565
00:38:56,667 --> 00:38:58,197
I took one shot,
566
00:38:58,233 --> 00:39:01,633
and there's like
a demonic figure.
567
00:39:01,667 --> 00:39:04,167
A demon or something
sitting on my hand,
568
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,470
as I'm filming this mirror.
569
00:39:10,867 --> 00:39:13,797
I got home around 3:00 a.m.
570
00:39:13,834 --> 00:39:18,274
and just was exhausted
from the experience.
571
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:20,330
I felt completely drained.
572
00:39:20,367 --> 00:39:24,697
And I just put the evidence up
in my desk and went to sleep.
573
00:39:26,567 --> 00:39:29,827
The next day,
I just still felt really off.
574
00:39:35,967 --> 00:39:37,497
So I just rested.
575
00:39:39,467 --> 00:39:42,097
By Wednesday,
I was running a fever
576
00:39:42,133 --> 00:39:46,203
and a sore throat
and felt like I had the flu.
577
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,130
But then it got
really serious, really fast.
578
00:39:56,667 --> 00:39:59,567
I woke up Sunday morning
in intensive care,
579
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:03,000
and I had IV bags
in both arms.
580
00:40:03,033 --> 00:40:05,603
And I had e coli infection
in my liver,
581
00:40:05,634 --> 00:40:08,204
in my bladder, in my kidneys,
in my urinary tract.
582
00:40:08,233 --> 00:40:10,473
I had pneumonia
in my left lung,
583
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:12,300
and I had an abscess
growing in my brain.
584
00:40:15,066 --> 00:40:16,526
And the doctor said,
585
00:40:16,567 --> 00:40:18,797
"Something is trying
to kill you."
586
00:40:18,834 --> 00:40:20,804
But I believe the spirits
attacked me
587
00:40:20,834 --> 00:40:22,434
and put me in the hospital.
588
00:40:22,467 --> 00:40:25,667
That's when I start
to get really scared
589
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:26,570
and panicky inside.
590
00:40:36,834 --> 00:40:39,304
I wasn't sure
I was going to come out of it,
591
00:40:39,333 --> 00:40:41,533
but I did,
and they released me,
592
00:40:42,667 --> 00:40:46,267
and I was really exhausted
once I got back home.
593
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:49,900
And I just focused
on recovering
and didn't do anything.
594
00:40:50,667 --> 00:40:53,127
Then about two weeks later,
595
00:40:53,166 --> 00:40:54,366
I finally felt good enough
596
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,370
to look at the evidence
from the lake house,
597
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,600
and that's where I found
598
00:40:58,634 --> 00:41:02,404
multiple electronic
voice phenomena, EVPs, saying,
599
00:41:02,433 --> 00:41:04,873
"Hospital. I'm going
to put you in the hospital."
600
00:41:23,367 --> 00:41:26,897
That's when I really,
really got terrified.
601
00:41:26,934 --> 00:41:30,174
There's no explanation
other than I was attacked
602
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,370
and put in a hospital
by these spirits.
603
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:35,300
I was really distraught,
604
00:41:35,934 --> 00:41:37,574
and that's when the owners
605
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,370
put a construction
fence around it,
606
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,900
put up cameras and said,
"No. You can't go back."
607
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,070
Before I went to the house,
608
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:48,370
I didn't really
have much thought
609
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,270
about the next life,
the next world,
610
00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:56,030
and this house made me
absolutely positive and sure
611
00:41:56,066 --> 00:41:59,196
that the spirit world is real.
612
00:41:59,867 --> 00:42:01,167
It changed my life.
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