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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:03,766 it as it really is wonderful 2 00:00:10,166 --> 00:00:14,500 1943 war rages across Europe 3 00:00:15,366 --> 00:00:17,466 in the neutral confines of Switzerland 4 00:00:17,466 --> 00:00:19,700 Chemist Albert Hoffman is hard at work 5 00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:23,166 at the Sandos pharmaceutical company's Basel laboratory 6 00:00:23,966 --> 00:00:26,466 while searching for a cure for migraine headaches 7 00:00:26,466 --> 00:00:27,600 Hoffman accidentally 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,000 ingests a minute amount of an experimental 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,400 substance that would change both his life and the world 10 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:35,466 LSD twenty five 11 00:00:36,666 --> 00:00:38,600 many would come to view it as a spiritual 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,300 antidote to the atom bomb 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,266 before the decade is over 14 00:00:42,266 --> 00:00:44,866 Sandos has sent Hoffman's discovery to researchers 15 00:00:44,866 --> 00:00:47,833 and psychiatrists all over the world for testing 16 00:00:47,866 --> 00:00:51,033 research projects spring up in such places as Canada 17 00:00:51,066 --> 00:00:52,566 the US England 18 00:00:52,566 --> 00:00:53,833 and Czechoslovakia 19 00:00:53,933 --> 00:00:55,366 One day we got a large 20 00:00:56,266 --> 00:00:57,533 box full of ampules 21 00:00:57,533 --> 00:01:00,800 and it was OSD and it uh 22 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,966 there was an accompanying letter that said 23 00:01:02,966 --> 00:01:05,200 this was a very fascinating substance 24 00:01:05,566 --> 00:01:10,466 discovered practically by accident or um 25 00:01:10,533 --> 00:01:11,300 Doctor Hoffmann 26 00:01:11,300 --> 00:01:11,933 the discoverer 27 00:01:11,933 --> 00:01:15,700 likes to call it serendipity rather than accident 28 00:01:15,933 --> 00:01:16,866 when I discovered 29 00:01:16,866 --> 00:01:18,766 the estate was believed it was a 30 00:01:18,766 --> 00:01:21,566 a product of laboratory 31 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:24,066 and then with this pervert taxis 32 00:01:24,066 --> 00:01:27,700 compounds had existed already for thousands of years 33 00:01:27,700 --> 00:01:29,366 in the Magplan Kingdom 34 00:01:30,300 --> 00:01:31,233 not exactly 35 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:32,633 but practically 36 00:01:32,700 --> 00:01:34,633 when he intoxicated himself 37 00:01:34,666 --> 00:01:37,300 accidentally discovered that this was a very 38 00:01:37,300 --> 00:01:38,300 very powerful 39 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:40,400 psychoactive substance 40 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,233 and then he confirmed it in a planned self experiment 41 00:01:44,533 --> 00:01:46,066 being a cautious man 42 00:01:46,066 --> 00:01:47,666 I started with a very 43 00:01:47,666 --> 00:01:48,966 very little amount 44 00:01:48,966 --> 00:01:52,500 only support from milligram I tasted 45 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:53,900 and then I had a 46 00:01:55,533 --> 00:01:58,566 and I could say a terrible 47 00:01:59,666 --> 00:02:02,933 terrible experience we grow 48 00:02:02,933 --> 00:02:07,100 we take a long time to get used to our world when we're 49 00:02:10,100 --> 00:02:12,266 oh we take many years in fact 50 00:02:12,266 --> 00:02:14,766 learning about it and learning how to behave 51 00:02:15,366 --> 00:02:16,766 and when it changes 52 00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:17,933 uh suddenly 53 00:02:17,933 --> 00:02:18,900 dramatically 54 00:02:19,300 --> 00:02:23,700 we may not like this after um some hours 55 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,300 then I was laying in the bed 56 00:02:26,933 --> 00:02:28,233 I came back 57 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,700 I came back for a foreign fight 58 00:02:32,900 --> 00:02:36,033 foreign existence 59 00:02:37,166 --> 00:02:40,300 to new to new life I saw 60 00:02:40,933 --> 00:02:44,766 certainly I realised how wonderful 61 00:02:44,766 --> 00:02:48,333 I would actually say I felt a Newborn 62 00:02:48,333 --> 00:02:49,133 a big Newborn 63 00:02:49,133 --> 00:02:52,666 and even the next day when I went into garden 64 00:02:53,566 --> 00:02:54,800 the world was new 65 00:03:00,733 --> 00:03:02,466 just what is LSD 66 00:03:02,500 --> 00:03:03,666 and what does it do 67 00:03:03,966 --> 00:03:04,466 the effect is 68 00:03:04,466 --> 00:03:06,066 somewhat like looking through a microscope 69 00:03:06,066 --> 00:03:06,966 suddenly uh 70 00:03:06,966 --> 00:03:08,433 when you look through a microscope 71 00:03:08,500 --> 00:03:10,566 you discover that there's an invisible world around 72 00:03:10,566 --> 00:03:13,066 you that you hadn't known about before you did it 73 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,066 the same thing is true with a psychedelic drug 74 00:03:15,066 --> 00:03:16,500 you're aware of processes 75 00:03:16,533 --> 00:03:18,500 that are going on inside your own brain 76 00:03:18,733 --> 00:03:19,966 you're aware of the um 77 00:03:19,966 --> 00:03:21,900 exchange of energies that are going on between 78 00:03:21,900 --> 00:03:24,466 your sense organs and the energies around them 79 00:03:24,466 --> 00:03:25,900 that you weren't aware of before okay 80 00:03:25,900 --> 00:03:28,366 now you have no hallucinations to sell this team 81 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,900 hallucination is if you see something is 82 00:03:30,900 --> 00:03:32,066 there's not a taste 83 00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:37,000 just uh but 84 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,866 under LSD you has 85 00:03:40,366 --> 00:03:42,500 you see things that is 86 00:03:42,500 --> 00:03:44,266 which are transformed 87 00:03:46,466 --> 00:03:52,733 and comes uh it is is a different view 88 00:03:52,733 --> 00:03:56,600 a different experience of our existence 89 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,166 do you know that Joe um 90 00:04:02,533 --> 00:04:04,166 senses change 91 00:04:04,566 --> 00:04:06,233 uh means that you 92 00:04:06,266 --> 00:04:11,033 you face a lot of new and quite unfamiliar problems 93 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,800 I mean you suddenly became aware of the 94 00:04:16,066 --> 00:04:17,800 textures and colours 95 00:04:17,900 --> 00:04:20,333 uh all these things uh 96 00:04:20,333 --> 00:04:22,466 suddenly becoming immensely important 97 00:04:23,466 --> 00:04:26,866 for myself these experiences have been most strange 98 00:04:26,933 --> 00:04:29,566 most awesome and in their own way 99 00:04:29,566 --> 00:04:32,200 amongst the most beautiful in my life 100 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,600 a sense of special significance 101 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,433 began to invest everything 102 00:04:38,666 --> 00:04:41,466 everything was brilliantly sharp and significant 103 00:04:43,100 --> 00:04:45,500 if I fixed my attention on a flower 104 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,833 I felt that I could spend all day contemplating it 105 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:52,966 phrases such as I've seen with the eye of the world 106 00:04:53,133 --> 00:04:55,433 the eye of the Newborn and the new dead 107 00:04:55,533 --> 00:04:57,000 sprang to my tongue 108 00:04:57,100 --> 00:04:58,866 apparently without construction 109 00:05:00,166 --> 00:05:03,433 a plain wooden chair was invested with a cheeriness 110 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,866 no chair had ever for me before 111 00:05:07,533 --> 00:05:08,766 and begins to see 112 00:05:08,766 --> 00:05:11,866 significance and things you didn't see before 113 00:05:12,566 --> 00:05:17,766 many people become aware of a quite different world 114 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,166 Saskatchewan uh 115 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,500 is a very large place 116 00:05:33,166 --> 00:05:35,766 and it is a lot of it's empty 117 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,566 I spent many years in Saskatchewan 118 00:05:42,566 --> 00:05:47,433 not sure which I'm uh in an Ambiluent way very fond 119 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,366 I went there 120 00:05:54,266 --> 00:05:58,566 as clinical director of this large mental hospital 121 00:06:03,933 --> 00:06:08,033 I enjoyed this days in Saskatchewan 122 00:06:19,900 --> 00:06:22,266 new chemicals allow us to experience some of 123 00:06:22,266 --> 00:06:25,000 the unbelievably unpleasant and sometimes quite 124 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,900 terrifying mental agonys of the schizophrenic patient 125 00:06:28,366 --> 00:06:29,266 to some extent 126 00:06:29,266 --> 00:06:32,366 to put ourselves in his shoes for a few hours 127 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,800 these people have terrible experiences 128 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,366 that's why they're so tense 129 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:37,533 we know that 130 00:06:37,533 --> 00:06:40,100 seemingly small errors made in caring for them 131 00:06:40,100 --> 00:06:42,366 will cause that tension to rise 132 00:06:43,133 --> 00:06:44,500 it was a bad hospital 133 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:46,333 every time you went there 134 00:06:46,333 --> 00:06:47,966 you were surrounded by people who were yelling 135 00:06:47,966 --> 00:06:48,966 and shouting and 136 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,900 and just ticulating and making all sorts of noise 137 00:06:51,900 --> 00:06:53,833 they're very sick and happy people 138 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:54,933 on the ground at night 139 00:06:54,933 --> 00:06:58,333 there was always shrieking and crying and screaming 140 00:06:58,333 --> 00:06:59,866 you could hear it all over the place 141 00:07:00,266 --> 00:07:02,900 terrible place really was 142 00:07:03,466 --> 00:07:07,000 we found ourselves landed with this uh 143 00:07:09,166 --> 00:07:12,800 decrepit hospital and the demoralized south 144 00:07:15,133 --> 00:07:16,066 as it turned out 145 00:07:16,066 --> 00:07:17,166 they were a lot better 146 00:07:17,166 --> 00:07:20,666 and many people believed they were uh 147 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:23,300 they were decent and humane 148 00:07:23,333 --> 00:07:24,800 uh proud of people 149 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,566 they did a very good job 150 00:07:27,466 --> 00:07:28,700 Doctor Abraham Hoffer 151 00:07:28,700 --> 00:07:31,900 biochemist and psychiatrist heads our research team 152 00:07:31,900 --> 00:07:34,100 at the University Hospital in Saskatoon 153 00:07:36,066 --> 00:07:38,600 Eve and I met because of my interest 154 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,033 well became his interest in schizophrenia 155 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,100 he was an admirable chef to work with 156 00:07:44,100 --> 00:07:48,466 he's a he's a Prairie Vaughan and uh 157 00:07:48,466 --> 00:07:50,566 the other very important point was uh 158 00:07:50,566 --> 00:07:52,333 a lot of things that uh 159 00:07:52,333 --> 00:07:55,433 he was tremendously helpful to me because my 160 00:07:55,733 --> 00:07:58,000 my old predecessor will say 161 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:58,500 hey he said 162 00:07:58,500 --> 00:08:01,666 you don't understand the Canadians of the prayer 163 00:08:01,666 --> 00:08:04,866 is my having your name was a reference point 164 00:08:04,866 --> 00:08:09,466 I was able to prove many astounding refugations of this 165 00:08:10,333 --> 00:08:12,833 and you could produce them on the roof 166 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:15,966 I've always given a happy credit for 167 00:08:15,966 --> 00:08:17,900 the immense contribution he made 168 00:08:17,966 --> 00:08:19,100 he really made 169 00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:19,900 he was the Saint 170 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:21,200 the most important catalyst 171 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,033 had he not come to Saskatchewan when he did 172 00:08:24,900 --> 00:08:26,966 I doubt I would have gone into this field at all 173 00:08:26,966 --> 00:08:27,533 and my guess 174 00:08:27,533 --> 00:08:29,200 is that I would have become a straightforward 175 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,000 standard conservative 176 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,433 Orthodox psychiatrist 177 00:08:34,100 --> 00:08:36,700 we are able to hold our world constant 178 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,366 from the schizophrenic person 179 00:08:38,366 --> 00:08:40,200 this constancy breaks down 180 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,100 or begins to break down 181 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:43,100 which is worse 182 00:08:43,100 --> 00:08:44,800 because of the uncertainty 183 00:08:45,666 --> 00:08:47,400 we conducted hundreds of experiments 184 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,600 using different substances to produce schizophrenic 185 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,466 like symptoms in our cells 186 00:08:51,700 --> 00:08:54,200 I put myself through more than 15 experiments 187 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,466 using everything from odoloquy to adrenolutine 188 00:08:58,533 --> 00:09:00,533 once we began getting a little more money 189 00:09:00,533 --> 00:09:02,166 we didn't get much more money 190 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,466 but a little more money and uh the 191 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:06,966 the conditions 192 00:09:06,966 --> 00:09:09,600 uh uh really improved quite a lot 193 00:09:11,733 --> 00:09:12,833 Tommy Douglas 194 00:09:13,566 --> 00:09:15,900 he was a man of tremendous vision 195 00:09:16,333 --> 00:09:19,166 it made sense to him to say that schizophrenia 196 00:09:19,166 --> 00:09:22,100 keeps a lot of people tied up for years and years 197 00:09:22,100 --> 00:09:23,766 and nobody knows what causes it 198 00:09:23,766 --> 00:09:25,166 and nobody knows how to cure it 199 00:09:25,166 --> 00:09:27,633 and maybe there's a better way to go about it 200 00:09:29,133 --> 00:09:30,000 and 201 00:09:31,733 --> 00:09:33,500 so they set up a project 202 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,100 and I was caught in the project it was great 203 00:09:40,566 --> 00:09:42,966 so we had everything going for us at that time 204 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:46,366 it was a series of coincidence that probably 205 00:09:46,700 --> 00:09:48,033 could not happen again 206 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:55,866 by the mid 1950s 207 00:09:55,866 --> 00:09:58,600 LSD research was being published in medical 208 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,033 and academic journals all over the world 209 00:10:01,133 --> 00:10:02,266 it showed potential 210 00:10:02,266 --> 00:10:04,500 benefits in the treatment of alcoholism 211 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:05,300 drug addiction 212 00:10:05,300 --> 00:10:06,866 and other mental illnesses 213 00:10:06,866 --> 00:10:09,566 some psychiatrists and other mental health workers 214 00:10:09,566 --> 00:10:11,633 began taking it themselves 215 00:10:11,666 --> 00:10:14,000 in order to experience greater empathy 216 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,800 with their schizophrenic patients 217 00:10:16,133 --> 00:10:18,466 much of this work was pioneered by Osmond 218 00:10:18,466 --> 00:10:20,566 Hoffer and Blewett in Saskatchewan 219 00:10:20,666 --> 00:10:21,600 where the prevailing 220 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,866 psychoanalytic model of mental illness 221 00:10:23,866 --> 00:10:26,966 was about to give way to one based on brain chemistry 222 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:37,100 ah ah 223 00:10:41,100 --> 00:10:42,800 Doctor Humphrey Eismann 224 00:10:43,700 --> 00:10:44,766 it was hamlet 225 00:10:44,766 --> 00:10:49,266 first said that when you're working with LSD 226 00:10:49,266 --> 00:10:52,833 you have to start with yourself and uh 227 00:10:53,733 --> 00:10:56,766 you should to put yourself forward as uh 228 00:10:56,900 --> 00:10:57,666 knowing something 229 00:10:57,666 --> 00:11:01,066 what LSD until you had taken it was pretty 230 00:11:01,066 --> 00:11:02,366 almost criminal 231 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,233 uh and he uh 232 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,333 he sort of laid down the ground rules of 233 00:11:11,333 --> 00:11:13,566 research with LSD in the province 234 00:11:13,566 --> 00:11:15,033 and they were very sound 235 00:11:15,900 --> 00:11:18,866 this is compared to the research 236 00:11:18,866 --> 00:11:21,000 it was carried out in other centers 237 00:11:21,566 --> 00:11:27,433 this Saskatchewan was miles ahead of the pack 238 00:11:30,566 --> 00:11:31,733 in Saskatchewan 239 00:11:31,733 --> 00:11:34,500 and cooperating with scientists all over the world 240 00:11:34,566 --> 00:11:36,833 we've been working to prove a theory 241 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:38,233 he's been disarmed 242 00:11:38,966 --> 00:11:40,600 we decided to use these to grow 243 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,366 to see if we could get inside 244 00:11:42,366 --> 00:11:44,266 the skin of a schizophrenic patient 245 00:11:44,866 --> 00:11:46,733 to see if this might give us a clue 246 00:11:46,733 --> 00:11:48,800 as to how we might better treat them 247 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,500 I was simply interested in seeing what the 248 00:11:51,533 --> 00:11:55,600 um if it this was the experience our patients had 249 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:56,700 what it was like 250 00:11:57,700 --> 00:11:59,800 and it was a great surprise to me 251 00:11:59,900 --> 00:12:02,200 LSD really changed our thinking 252 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,366 and had the following major changes 253 00:12:04,366 --> 00:12:06,466 that once we had taken the LSD 254 00:12:06,933 --> 00:12:08,833 we became much more aware 255 00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:11,266 of what was happening to the schizophrenic patient 256 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,466 and it also had the effect of making 257 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:16,366 taking the patients 258 00:12:16,366 --> 00:12:19,500 accounts of that experience very seriously 259 00:12:20,500 --> 00:12:22,566 which you you don't necessarily hear 260 00:12:22,566 --> 00:12:24,200 if you hear them everyday 261 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,966 and they're always not the same 262 00:12:26,133 --> 00:12:28,766 you don't really think about what what 263 00:12:28,766 --> 00:12:31,800 what's it like for that particular person 264 00:12:35,933 --> 00:12:37,066 Doctor Harper 265 00:12:37,466 --> 00:12:40,700 you used it in treating alcoholism 266 00:12:41,133 --> 00:12:44,033 uh why do you use it for that purpose 267 00:12:44,066 --> 00:12:45,400 in my opinion Mr Burton 268 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,700 and this is based upon 500 cases that we have treated 269 00:12:48,700 --> 00:12:50,300 over the past eight years 270 00:12:51,166 --> 00:12:53,866 uh we selected alcoholics because it is often 271 00:12:53,866 --> 00:12:57,366 easier to know whether they are improved or not 272 00:12:57,766 --> 00:13:01,300 and many of our people had not responded to 273 00:13:01,300 --> 00:13:03,366 the best treatment that we could give them 274 00:13:03,500 --> 00:13:06,466 and they are now sober and good people hmm 275 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,066 we forgot to use LSD to treat alcoholics 276 00:13:11,066 --> 00:13:13,400 the original idea was to use it as a drug 277 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:14,766 give them LSD 278 00:13:14,766 --> 00:13:15,900 give them a terrible time 279 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:16,600 and hope that they would 280 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:17,966 therefore not wanna drink anymore 281 00:13:17,966 --> 00:13:19,166 didn't work that way at all 282 00:13:19,166 --> 00:13:21,100 alcoholics uh 283 00:13:21,100 --> 00:13:25,400 tended to be very tolerant of their own uh 284 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,200 shortcomings and uh 285 00:13:31,066 --> 00:13:32,100 they rather 286 00:13:34,366 --> 00:13:36,600 like not to think about this 287 00:13:36,666 --> 00:13:40,266 with a great advantage with with um 288 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,066 one of the hallucinogens 289 00:13:42,066 --> 00:13:45,266 is that you could make them very well aware of this 290 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,966 and it Nigel to sometimes change their behaviour 291 00:13:50,366 --> 00:13:53,100 the night season in a quite different light 292 00:13:53,133 --> 00:13:56,400 they gave the first LSD to the alcoholics 293 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,833 and after they had given it to five or six or seven 294 00:14:00,133 --> 00:14:00,700 Humphrey says 295 00:14:00,700 --> 00:14:01,900 you know he said it stopped working 296 00:14:01,900 --> 00:14:02,466 I said what do you mean 297 00:14:02,466 --> 00:14:04,033 he says we can't give them 298 00:14:04,166 --> 00:14:06,266 this terrible time they're supposed to have 299 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:07,266 I said what's happening 300 00:14:07,266 --> 00:14:08,600 he said it's something different 301 00:14:09,466 --> 00:14:11,300 and he began to describe what was happening 302 00:14:11,300 --> 00:14:15,900 he was describing a psychedelic experience under uh 303 00:14:15,900 --> 00:14:17,066 see some of them 304 00:14:17,066 --> 00:14:18,866 sometimes we get the idea 305 00:14:18,866 --> 00:14:22,666 perhaps they really were mistreating their 306 00:14:22,866 --> 00:14:25,466 their own kin and uh 307 00:14:25,466 --> 00:14:28,366 that is powerful uh uh uh 308 00:14:29,166 --> 00:14:30,900 incentive to do something about it 309 00:14:30,900 --> 00:14:33,900 it's not thought to be a good idea to 310 00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:40,066 persecute your own family and unless family like it 311 00:14:40,466 --> 00:14:45,533 and presumably if they took the view of your drinking 312 00:14:45,533 --> 00:14:46,866 they didn't like it 313 00:14:48,466 --> 00:14:50,900 these experiments have helped us to experience 314 00:14:50,900 --> 00:14:54,233 something of how these ill people perceive the world 315 00:14:54,266 --> 00:14:56,200 it's dimensions of time 316 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,500 space and colour 317 00:15:08,966 --> 00:15:10,500 unforgave me honestly 318 00:15:10,500 --> 00:15:14,800 and I Learned the secret of his success 319 00:15:20,733 --> 00:15:23,366 it's all on the inside it's 320 00:15:25,133 --> 00:15:26,600 just looking for you 321 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:48,600 if you don't 322 00:15:48,766 --> 00:15:51,566 really understand the spiritual basis of man 323 00:15:51,566 --> 00:15:53,033 and you're not open to it 324 00:15:53,066 --> 00:15:55,566 you're missing one of the greatest contributions 325 00:15:55,566 --> 00:15:57,466 that LSC can make 326 00:16:03,733 --> 00:16:06,300 well Hubbard came along and um 327 00:16:06,666 --> 00:16:09,300 demonstrated a whole new way of using it 328 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,800 based on spiritual realization 329 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:19,266 Captain Alfred M 330 00:16:19,266 --> 00:16:23,033 Hubbard was born into a poor Kentucky family in 19 0 2 331 00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:24,900 eccentric and charismatic 332 00:16:24,900 --> 00:16:27,166 he grew up to make his fortune as a pilot 333 00:16:27,166 --> 00:16:29,233 an inventor and an entrepreneur 334 00:16:31,166 --> 00:16:32,933 after some of his darker dealings got 335 00:16:32,933 --> 00:16:36,066 him into trouble with US authorities during World War 2 336 00:16:36,166 --> 00:16:39,000 he moved to an island off the coast of British Columbia 337 00:16:39,733 --> 00:16:40,666 Hubbard believed that 338 00:16:40,666 --> 00:16:43,000 if the right individuals were exposed to it 339 00:16:43,066 --> 00:16:45,000 LSD could save the world 340 00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:47,333 he set about on his mission 341 00:16:47,333 --> 00:16:49,666 to turn on the captains of industry 342 00:16:49,666 --> 00:16:51,166 and the princes of the church 343 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,266 a good LSD experience 344 00:17:08,266 --> 00:17:12,300 what happens that as you resolve your inner conflicts 345 00:17:12,666 --> 00:17:15,500 and the loads and the barriers that had developed 346 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:17,366 and you begin to reach down into 347 00:17:17,366 --> 00:17:19,233 the depths of your own being 348 00:17:19,466 --> 00:17:22,533 you see more and more levels of being 349 00:17:22,533 --> 00:17:25,100 more and more levels of understanding 350 00:17:28,066 --> 00:17:31,166 often we like to blame our feelings on other people 351 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,833 and what they're doing to us 352 00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:33,733 but if I feel it 353 00:17:33,733 --> 00:17:35,266 it's my feeling 354 00:17:35,266 --> 00:17:36,800 and I have produced it 355 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,166 and I'm the only one that can resolve it 356 00:17:39,366 --> 00:17:40,200 unfortunately 357 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,866 these substances allow you to see and recognize this 358 00:17:43,866 --> 00:17:45,066 and resolve it 359 00:17:53,666 --> 00:17:56,566 meeting Hubbard was one of the 360 00:17:56,566 --> 00:17:59,133 most remarkable things that ever happened to me 361 00:17:59,133 --> 00:18:01,666 maybe not as effective as taking LSD 362 00:18:01,666 --> 00:18:05,066 but he was so different than anyone I'd ever met 363 00:18:05,933 --> 00:18:08,466 but the thing about him that um 364 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,266 was also very different was 365 00:18:11,266 --> 00:18:14,866 he's radiated an energy that I could feel 366 00:18:18,166 --> 00:18:20,200 I don't think ever before in my life 367 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,200 I'd ever felt anyone 368 00:18:22,366 --> 00:18:24,200 but I could feel his energy 369 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,833 and I just felt so good in his presence 370 00:18:27,300 --> 00:18:34,000 he had a religious vision that he was uh 371 00:18:34,900 --> 00:18:37,766 working on behalf of the 372 00:18:39,566 --> 00:18:40,500 uh 373 00:18:43,300 --> 00:18:46,600 it's a virgin mother and uh 374 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,566 giving people the key to the 375 00:18:52,133 --> 00:18:54,400 the religious universe you know 376 00:18:56,066 --> 00:18:59,633 and he only half believes in himself 377 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,366 but he was the most unlikely 378 00:19:10,366 --> 00:19:12,566 man to be on a religious mission that 379 00:19:12,666 --> 00:19:14,300 you could possibly imagine 380 00:19:16,733 --> 00:19:19,000 he has a lot of tricks up his sleeve 381 00:19:19,466 --> 00:19:20,900 he gave me a little method dream 382 00:19:20,900 --> 00:19:22,966 which is a nice euphoria 383 00:19:22,966 --> 00:19:26,266 so left me with hurt feelings about L Hubbard 384 00:19:26,266 --> 00:19:29,966 and I was pretty convinced that I needed to go and try 385 00:19:30,466 --> 00:19:31,733 LSD with him 386 00:19:31,733 --> 00:19:34,000 so I made a date and went up to Canada 387 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,700 I was just astounded at what I Learned 388 00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:41,900 and I felt enormously free from the way I had before 389 00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:44,133 and then I just couldn't get over 390 00:19:44,133 --> 00:19:46,400 such a profound learning experience 391 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,266 so naturally 392 00:19:47,266 --> 00:19:49,233 I became very enthused about it 393 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,366 started talking to people about it 394 00:19:51,366 --> 00:19:53,433 and encouraging others and 395 00:19:53,466 --> 00:19:56,566 begin to wonder how I could get more and more involved 396 00:19:58,133 --> 00:20:00,766 we set up the foundation in Menlo Park 397 00:20:00,766 --> 00:20:03,633 and we had got a lot of help from Al 398 00:20:04,133 --> 00:20:06,000 we formed the corporation 399 00:20:07,166 --> 00:20:09,400 hoffer and Osmond 400 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,566 were on the board of directors Al was not 401 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:21,466 interested in extremely objective evidence 402 00:20:21,466 --> 00:20:23,833 he was interested in the evidence he liked 403 00:20:24,566 --> 00:20:28,833 which is very human and understandable 404 00:20:29,466 --> 00:20:30,700 he liked any 405 00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:36,166 any sort of Creedence 406 00:20:36,166 --> 00:20:41,500 because he didn't have customary training and 407 00:20:43,466 --> 00:20:44,933 people but she sort of 408 00:20:44,933 --> 00:20:47,833 poo pooed him as a wild man but he uh 409 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,566 he was some wild man haha 410 00:20:52,733 --> 00:20:54,466 I only met him once 411 00:20:54,466 --> 00:20:55,933 it was very amusing 412 00:20:55,933 --> 00:20:57,300 he came for lunch 413 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,766 a very a very busy man 414 00:21:00,900 --> 00:21:04,466 and he came with some apparatus 415 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:06,266 the apparatus was to get 416 00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:09,066 give himself some c 0 2 I think 417 00:21:09,733 --> 00:21:10,600 and after lunch 418 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:11,333 he took his nose 419 00:21:11,333 --> 00:21:12,766 just you too 420 00:21:12,866 --> 00:21:14,833 and then he was happy and then he left 421 00:21:14,900 --> 00:21:16,666 that's the only time I met him 422 00:21:17,066 --> 00:21:18,966 very exordinate type 423 00:21:19,766 --> 00:21:22,466 he always would be fascinated by a person like that 424 00:21:22,466 --> 00:21:26,966 oh yes whether one makes contact with all this Huxley 425 00:21:26,966 --> 00:21:30,400 through his writing or in personal conversation 426 00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:33,100 the impression that comes almost immediately 427 00:21:33,266 --> 00:21:35,433 is that of a uniquely versatile 428 00:21:35,733 --> 00:21:37,033 omnivorous intellect 429 00:21:37,100 --> 00:21:40,466 constantly searching and probing with a clean 430 00:21:40,466 --> 00:21:42,266 cold incisiveness 431 00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:45,500 all the song articles I've written somewhere 432 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:46,500 and through that 433 00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:47,766 I got to know him 434 00:21:47,866 --> 00:21:50,966 he was a very nice person to me first 435 00:21:51,766 --> 00:21:52,533 at his best 436 00:21:52,533 --> 00:21:54,500 and excellent conversations 437 00:21:54,866 --> 00:21:59,633 and immensely Learned and very good nature 438 00:22:01,366 --> 00:22:03,066 and of course he um 439 00:22:06,733 --> 00:22:08,733 he was pressed in no subject 440 00:22:08,733 --> 00:22:12,266 he didn't know a lot more about it than I did 441 00:22:12,266 --> 00:22:14,633 so I was very impressed by this 442 00:22:21,266 --> 00:22:22,800 the start of the Second World War 443 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,266 found eminent British author 444 00:22:24,266 --> 00:22:25,100 Elvis Huxley 445 00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:27,666 writing screenplays in Hollywood California 446 00:22:28,966 --> 00:22:29,666 while there 447 00:22:29,666 --> 00:22:31,600 Huxley explored eastern mysticism 448 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,800 with such luminaries as Gerald Heard and Alan Watts 449 00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:37,600 he wrote to Doctor Humphrey Osmond 450 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,466 after reading an article about mescaline 451 00:22:39,466 --> 00:22:41,000 that the doctor had published 452 00:22:41,766 --> 00:22:42,500 they struck up a 453 00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:46,000 friendship that would last until huxley's death in 1963 454 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,100 but it was during 455 00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:50,466 their first meeting in 1953 that Osmond gave Huxley 456 00:22:50,466 --> 00:22:52,666 his first psychedelic experience 457 00:22:52,866 --> 00:22:56,200 which prompted the author to compose his famous essay 458 00:22:56,266 --> 00:22:57,866 The Doors of perception 459 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,066 I didn't really want to uh uh 460 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:04,900 end my career as a manhood gristen 461 00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:05,666 all the snare 462 00:23:05,666 --> 00:23:07,200 that wouldn't been 463 00:23:07,933 --> 00:23:10,500 a good start but um 464 00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:17,633 in fact we uh had a very pleasant time together 465 00:23:19,166 --> 00:23:21,900 and also I didn't uh 466 00:23:24,466 --> 00:23:28,966 I don't think I need any other great blunder so that uh 467 00:23:28,966 --> 00:23:31,900 all of us uh liked the experience 468 00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:35,300 it is interested in him and um 469 00:23:35,533 --> 00:23:37,800 I think he liked to think this was 470 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,233 contributing something to scientific knowledge 471 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,900 the point that interests me is that 472 00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:46,566 whereas the ordinary 473 00:23:46,866 --> 00:23:51,600 everyday experience is of course absolutely essential 474 00:23:51,966 --> 00:23:52,933 most of the time 475 00:23:52,933 --> 00:23:54,766 it's not the only possible experience 476 00:23:54,766 --> 00:23:56,900 there also other types of consciousness 477 00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:58,100 I mean the artists type 478 00:23:58,100 --> 00:24:01,633 mystics type and so on which have 479 00:24:02,333 --> 00:24:05,800 empirically an enormous value and may help people to 480 00:24:05,966 --> 00:24:09,100 live less self centered and more charitable lives 481 00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:11,266 and more understanding lives 482 00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:15,166 oldest neighbour give this session to 483 00:24:15,166 --> 00:24:18,300 to friend or to someone who wanted 484 00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:21,800 and the preparation for session was very 485 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:22,600 very careful 486 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,200 for the the day before we didn't do anything 487 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,433 we just fix the house very quietly 488 00:24:27,533 --> 00:24:31,700 the day of the session there was nothing except that 489 00:24:31,866 --> 00:24:33,633 and even the day after 490 00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:36,666 so there was a three day things because 491 00:24:37,300 --> 00:24:39,133 as all the salt in Ireland 492 00:24:39,133 --> 00:24:40,400 the session is a 493 00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:45,000 it got to it disgrace is what you take away from there 494 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:45,900 it got to it disgrace 495 00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:48,133 something given to you for nothing 496 00:24:48,133 --> 00:24:49,600 not that you've married it 497 00:24:49,966 --> 00:24:52,266 you just are lucky and get it 498 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:55,166 but what you do with it afterwards 499 00:24:55,166 --> 00:24:56,166 it both counts 500 00:24:56,166 --> 00:24:59,900 nothing is easier than to formulate high ideals 501 00:24:59,900 --> 00:25:03,066 the few things are more difficult than to discover 502 00:25:03,066 --> 00:25:06,000 the means whereby those ideals may be implemented 503 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:06,966 one has to dream 504 00:25:06,966 --> 00:25:09,400 but one has to dream in a pragmatic way 505 00:25:13,733 --> 00:25:15,900 I think I actually enjoyed Hubbard 506 00:25:18,566 --> 00:25:22,900 Hubbard was very excited about the potential of LSD 507 00:25:23,466 --> 00:25:25,566 he felt a mission to the world 508 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,766 to bring this and have it spread 509 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,566 one of the things that the two of us planned was 510 00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:35,400 to hopefully reach the place where we could 511 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,100 set up treatment centers around the world 512 00:25:38,766 --> 00:25:42,200 eventually L set up a place in Vancouver 513 00:25:42,933 --> 00:25:46,566 which was a place to give people LSD 514 00:25:46,933 --> 00:25:49,500 with proper kindness setting 515 00:25:49,533 --> 00:25:53,166 to make people feel at home and encourage them 516 00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:13,300 when the person was accepted to go through the program 517 00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:17,700 he was given an outline to write his history 518 00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:19,533 what problems he had 519 00:26:19,533 --> 00:26:21,166 he had any health problems 520 00:26:21,166 --> 00:26:23,500 what was the relationship with his parents 521 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,866 what was his childhood like 522 00:26:28,533 --> 00:26:30,700 so then they came to the session 523 00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:33,633 and some introductory remarks were made 524 00:26:33,966 --> 00:26:35,000 the importance 525 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:35,700 for example 526 00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:37,766 of just releasing to the experience 527 00:26:37,766 --> 00:26:40,800 and knowing that they had help and could ask questions 528 00:26:41,333 --> 00:26:43,800 and then they were administered LSD 529 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:49,100 and then we would lie them down on the couch 530 00:26:49,533 --> 00:26:51,600 we put headphones on them 531 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,966 and then create an internal journey 532 00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:57,600 and then we would put on music 533 00:27:01,533 --> 00:27:05,266 and we would keep playing the music 534 00:27:06,733 --> 00:27:10,266 and usually it's been the first two 535 00:27:10,266 --> 00:27:12,600 three maybe even four hours there 536 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,966 and that's what we wanted 537 00:27:13,966 --> 00:27:17,066 for them to go deeply into themselves and explore 538 00:27:19,166 --> 00:27:21,900 cause we were taking notes and we had a tape recorder 539 00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:24,633 so that everything that was said was recorded 540 00:27:27,133 --> 00:27:28,466 can I come up for a minute 541 00:27:28,866 --> 00:27:29,766 certainly David 542 00:27:29,966 --> 00:27:32,166 so then after four 543 00:27:32,166 --> 00:27:33,466 maybe five hours 544 00:27:33,466 --> 00:27:36,200 so we would feel like coming out and sitting up 545 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,066 so we began to talk 546 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,966 that was magnificent 547 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,766 we would show them pictures of the family 548 00:27:42,766 --> 00:27:44,066 so that they could look at 549 00:27:44,066 --> 00:27:45,733 them and spend time with them 550 00:27:45,733 --> 00:27:46,833 which probably 551 00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:49,166 probably the most important part of the session 552 00:27:49,166 --> 00:27:52,200 for people who were there for therapeutic reasons 553 00:27:54,566 --> 00:27:58,400 Hubbard was very ingenious at working out things that 554 00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:02,666 promoted the effectiveness of the LSD experience 555 00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:05,566 one of them came up with was the strobe 556 00:28:05,566 --> 00:28:07,566 and found that the strobe light 557 00:28:07,566 --> 00:28:10,166 if you get it pretty close to the alpha rhythm 558 00:28:10,333 --> 00:28:12,266 produced it very weird effects 559 00:28:12,266 --> 00:28:14,733 it does anyway as a natural strobe 560 00:28:14,733 --> 00:28:16,300 when you combine that with LSD 561 00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:18,366 is really very remarkable 562 00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:24,933 looking into the mirror 563 00:28:24,933 --> 00:28:27,366 is one of the most powerful things you can do 564 00:28:27,366 --> 00:28:28,666 to look at yourself 565 00:28:28,666 --> 00:28:29,533 and of course 566 00:28:29,533 --> 00:28:32,333 at first some people really draw back 567 00:28:32,333 --> 00:28:34,766 you know I've seen people even frightened 568 00:28:34,766 --> 00:28:35,966 at the image of their mirror 569 00:28:35,966 --> 00:28:38,233 but we encourage them just look 570 00:28:38,266 --> 00:28:39,633 just accept it 571 00:28:39,933 --> 00:28:41,200 and as they do 572 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,300 they begin to see more and more 573 00:28:43,533 --> 00:28:45,800 and if they go far enough with this 574 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,233 they begin to see their inner self 575 00:28:51,966 --> 00:28:54,366 one of the most powerful artifacts that you 576 00:28:54,366 --> 00:28:57,500 can show to a person when they're under the influence 577 00:28:57,666 --> 00:29:00,933 is a beautiful red rose that just uh 578 00:29:00,933 --> 00:29:03,833 partly open and hasn't fully opened yet 579 00:29:04,533 --> 00:29:07,266 for many the rose comes to life 580 00:29:07,566 --> 00:29:09,133 and they actually see it breathe 581 00:29:09,133 --> 00:29:12,600 they can actually see the petals open and close 582 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,666 we would always have 583 00:29:16,666 --> 00:29:19,000 arranged for sitter to take them home 584 00:29:19,266 --> 00:29:20,866 and the sitter would take them home 585 00:29:20,866 --> 00:29:24,200 and sit with them until they went to sleep 586 00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:28,200 uh people had a sense of being dropped 587 00:29:28,266 --> 00:29:31,200 uh they came for a few times afterwards 588 00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:33,900 and then we didn't see them anymore 589 00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:37,166 and we paid such close attention to them ahead of time 590 00:29:37,166 --> 00:29:39,066 that they felt sort of neglected 591 00:29:41,566 --> 00:29:44,300 there were several people gone through the process 592 00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:46,466 who were sort of typical leader types 593 00:29:46,466 --> 00:29:49,100 and they formed groups 594 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,933 so that people could join one of the groups 595 00:29:51,933 --> 00:29:53,200 and they would go to the group 596 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,166 say once a week 597 00:29:54,166 --> 00:29:56,866 and they'd share experiences with each other 598 00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:00,166 my feeling was today in this 599 00:30:00,166 --> 00:30:01,966 that if you're looking for paradise 600 00:30:01,966 --> 00:30:03,066 after this experience 601 00:30:03,066 --> 00:30:04,900 you begin to realize that it's right here 602 00:30:05,266 --> 00:30:06,866 wherever you happen to be 603 00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:09,233 like where we're sitting 604 00:30:09,733 --> 00:30:11,200 you make your own heaven and hell 605 00:30:31,133 --> 00:30:34,800 is very important that one is prepared 606 00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:37,900 for the use of psychedelics 607 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,233 it is not just fun 608 00:30:41,533 --> 00:30:46,766 it is a very serious uh experiment 609 00:30:50,766 --> 00:30:54,366 psychedelics allow you to do things 610 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,200 but you only do the things that you really want to do 611 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,800 and if it's something that you don't want to do 612 00:30:59,966 --> 00:31:01,533 then stay away from it 613 00:31:01,533 --> 00:31:02,966 it's not for you 614 00:31:04,866 --> 00:31:06,866 so intention is the bottom line 615 00:31:06,866 --> 00:31:07,866 as a matter of fact 616 00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:10,666 I think intention is the bottom line in life anyway 617 00:31:10,666 --> 00:31:12,800 for all of us at any time 618 00:31:16,366 --> 00:31:17,800 when you think about ritual 619 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,600 you know traditional ritual ceremony 620 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,366 that's just the purpose of intentional use 621 00:31:22,366 --> 00:31:24,366 of arranging the set and the setting 622 00:31:24,933 --> 00:31:27,933 um it's not the ritual per se has any value 623 00:31:27,933 --> 00:31:31,533 but it has value depending on the intention and the set 624 00:31:31,533 --> 00:31:33,166 and the setting that's behind it 625 00:31:35,666 --> 00:31:38,666 sad is what you bring to the experience 626 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,866 you bring your life experience 627 00:31:41,866 --> 00:31:43,400 you bring your memories 628 00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:46,433 uh you bring your unconscious material 629 00:31:46,566 --> 00:31:48,600 you bring your aspirations 630 00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:51,000 some people 631 00:31:51,333 --> 00:31:53,700 um may have a much better set 632 00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:56,700 and sail very smoothly through these experiences 633 00:31:57,133 --> 00:31:59,833 others may have very difficult sets and may 634 00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:02,066 have to work harder and maybe 635 00:32:02,066 --> 00:32:04,266 be a lot more uncomfortable before they 636 00:32:04,266 --> 00:32:06,233 get things resolved 637 00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:10,300 a setting is also important 638 00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:14,633 and setting is the place for you have experience 639 00:32:14,666 --> 00:32:16,366 it's your surroundings 640 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,233 oh it's your companions 641 00:32:19,533 --> 00:32:21,566 and these things are very important 642 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,600 the approach to give it early 643 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,600 this session was extraordinary 644 00:32:26,966 --> 00:32:30,066 start out careful respectful 645 00:32:30,066 --> 00:32:33,300 loving and also self efficing 646 00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:35,000 because the most difficult thing 647 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,566 if you are a guide is not to have opinion 648 00:32:37,566 --> 00:32:42,066 to let the person give whatever he feels 649 00:32:42,066 --> 00:32:43,633 whatever he sees 650 00:32:45,533 --> 00:32:50,200 and so it was completely different from what happened 651 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,666 four years later that was given in its street 652 00:32:53,666 --> 00:32:55,200 and it was very upsetting 653 00:33:04,866 --> 00:33:07,566 when uh young people started using it 654 00:33:07,733 --> 00:33:12,633 they'd uh go to uh a party or something and they get 655 00:33:12,666 --> 00:33:16,000 stoned out of their guard and uh then 656 00:33:16,933 --> 00:33:18,766 uh there was no uh 657 00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:24,266 support system if they freaked out uh 658 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,900 and they'd end up in uh 659 00:33:28,533 --> 00:33:32,300 a metal ward somewhere and get a shot of uh 660 00:33:33,166 --> 00:33:37,266 niacin or something to pull them down and 661 00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:39,900 that wasn't 662 00:33:41,133 --> 00:33:45,366 that wasn't very effective what you're getting on 663 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,466 to consider what they were learning if uh 664 00:33:52,666 --> 00:33:56,166 the setting is threatening and frightening 665 00:33:56,333 --> 00:33:59,966 or if the people evolved um 666 00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:03,400 suddenly shut off in the middle of it 667 00:34:03,466 --> 00:34:05,166 uh the the the person here 668 00:34:05,166 --> 00:34:08,766 they're frightened and then you got uh uh uh 669 00:34:09,933 --> 00:34:13,500 anxiety which no longer controlled by the 670 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,066 the normal means of drowning anxiety 671 00:34:17,066 --> 00:34:20,366 it it just goes on and they may panic 672 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,466 a matter of course has happened 673 00:34:30,666 --> 00:34:33,466 there are places in Canada where they 674 00:34:33,466 --> 00:34:35,900 tired people in bed to give them LSD 675 00:34:40,366 --> 00:34:44,033 and I don't know why they would do that but 676 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,000 partly we that came about because early research 677 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,300 with it was uh done by the American Army 678 00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:55,766 and their aim was all together different 679 00:34:55,766 --> 00:34:57,800 they wanted to use it as a weapon 680 00:35:00,533 --> 00:35:02,566 and when you start from 681 00:35:03,666 --> 00:35:06,066 the weapons approach uh 682 00:35:07,166 --> 00:35:12,100 is the confusion and the disturbance 683 00:35:12,533 --> 00:35:15,000 that you're capitalizing on 684 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,566 because it felt that 685 00:35:16,666 --> 00:35:19,066 if you give it to a whole population 686 00:35:19,533 --> 00:35:21,133 they'd be pretty well immobilized 687 00:35:21,133 --> 00:35:22,333 because people wouldn't 688 00:35:22,333 --> 00:35:24,766 be able to carry on in their normal fashion 689 00:35:24,766 --> 00:35:27,766 and you just sort of move them out of the road quietly 690 00:35:27,766 --> 00:35:30,633 and move in and take over their function and 691 00:35:33,166 --> 00:35:35,466 have a victory with no trouble whatever 692 00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:39,466 uh that was necessary but it 693 00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:43,500 it backfired on the Americans they uh 694 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,833 found out that when they gave it to the soldiers 695 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,500 first thing the soldiers wanted to do is quit the army 696 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,900 we teach 697 00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:02,600 the science and art of ecstasy 698 00:36:03,166 --> 00:36:05,600 we teach people how to turn on 699 00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:08,200 or how to go out of their minds 700 00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:10,666 by turn on we mean um 701 00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:14,666 tune in to get beyond your routine 702 00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:18,300 ways of thinking and acting and experiencing 703 00:36:24,133 --> 00:36:27,333 in 1961 two of Harvard University's best 704 00:36:27,333 --> 00:36:30,966 and brightest minds discovered psilocybin and LSD 705 00:36:32,166 --> 00:36:33,300 Richard Alpert 706 00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:35,566 who later changed his name to Ramdos 707 00:36:35,766 --> 00:36:37,066 and Timothy Leary 708 00:36:37,266 --> 00:36:39,666 along with graduate student Ralph Metzner 709 00:36:39,666 --> 00:36:42,966 began doing psychedelic research on a wide scale 710 00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:45,400 conducting projects with religious leaders 711 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,500 and prison communities 712 00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:47,433 among others 713 00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:51,600 Harvard's administration eventually grew uncomfortable 714 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,700 with the amount of media attention Leary was receiving 715 00:36:54,866 --> 00:36:56,400 and cancelled the project 716 00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:02,700 Larry Elpert and Metzner moved first to Mexico 717 00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:04,366 and then to upstate New York 718 00:37:04,366 --> 00:37:07,166 to continue working with these substances 719 00:37:09,066 --> 00:37:12,466 like middle class academics and um 720 00:37:14,533 --> 00:37:15,866 our our role 721 00:37:15,866 --> 00:37:17,000 I think in retrospect 722 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,300 was to try to find some way that 723 00:37:19,766 --> 00:37:22,333 the professional middle class world of psychologists 724 00:37:22,333 --> 00:37:24,433 psychotherapists and so forth could 725 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,300 accommodate these experiences 726 00:37:27,666 --> 00:37:30,300 and uh we tried it within the university setting 727 00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:32,066 and it worked for a while 728 00:37:32,066 --> 00:37:34,133 and certain experiments were done 729 00:37:34,133 --> 00:37:35,266 and we carried out the experiments 730 00:37:35,266 --> 00:37:36,866 and we published articles in the journal 731 00:37:36,866 --> 00:37:38,200 and then after a while 732 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,300 it was no longer possible to do that then 733 00:37:41,566 --> 00:37:44,166 then we experiment with other settings so 734 00:37:44,166 --> 00:37:48,066 we had this LSD training center in de LA Nejo in Mexico 735 00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:48,900 we said well 736 00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:50,166 let's go into a 737 00:37:50,466 --> 00:37:52,966 you know where we're freed from the usual constraints 738 00:37:52,966 --> 00:37:54,500 but we still have the structure 739 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,700 we just want to explore these potentials of these in a 740 00:37:57,700 --> 00:37:58,733 in a serious way 741 00:37:58,733 --> 00:37:59,900 it was not just a 742 00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:02,700 an ongoing drug party and and uh 743 00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:04,066 it was it was planned 744 00:38:04,066 --> 00:38:06,966 it was no attention played to certain settings of what 745 00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:11,400 um but then that also proved to be uh 746 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,700 not viable um 747 00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:16,900 didn't have the right political support 748 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,266 it's just a tendency for these substances to 749 00:38:20,266 --> 00:38:22,566 to become sensationalized 750 00:38:24,533 --> 00:38:26,566 we often say that uh 751 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:29,266 we're teaching people how to use their head 752 00:38:30,166 --> 00:38:33,900 the uh point is that in order to use your head 753 00:38:34,366 --> 00:38:36,000 you have to go out of your mind 754 00:38:36,066 --> 00:38:38,500 you have to go out of all of the static 755 00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:42,300 symbolic ways in which you think experience timberly 756 00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:44,566 you know from my perspective yeah 757 00:38:45,266 --> 00:38:47,533 sort of created more problems 758 00:38:47,533 --> 00:38:48,866 I don't think it was a very 759 00:38:49,133 --> 00:38:51,033 he made certainly popularised 760 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,033 you know inside a lot of people to experiment but he 761 00:38:57,666 --> 00:39:00,066 I did not really give fair information 762 00:39:00,066 --> 00:39:02,000 he was talking about the LSD you know 763 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,966 there's a substance that makes trillions of yourself 764 00:39:04,966 --> 00:39:06,900 singing the song of liberation 765 00:39:07,666 --> 00:39:09,933 uh didn't tell people about the dangerous 766 00:39:09,933 --> 00:39:10,966 uh you know 767 00:39:10,966 --> 00:39:13,366 that before you go to heaven 768 00:39:13,366 --> 00:39:14,600 you might go to hell 769 00:39:15,333 --> 00:39:16,600 or if you don't do it right 770 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,266 you might stay there maybe 771 00:39:18,266 --> 00:39:20,166 Timothy was uh uh 772 00:39:20,166 --> 00:39:22,200 a really um 773 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,833 brilliant uh uh 774 00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:27,200 entrepreneur of notions 775 00:39:27,533 --> 00:39:29,166 and on that he was very 776 00:39:29,166 --> 00:39:30,833 at his best very good 777 00:39:31,733 --> 00:39:32,500 unfortunately 778 00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:35,866 he didn't necessarily always get very good nations 779 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,266 I have much more respect my myself for ramdus 780 00:39:39,733 --> 00:39:41,966 they were you know colleagues 781 00:39:41,966 --> 00:39:43,800 professors at Harvard and 782 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,500 but the direction he took in 783 00:39:46,266 --> 00:39:49,266 and towards the spiritual philosophies in India 784 00:39:49,266 --> 00:39:51,066 and his sort of following was his 785 00:39:51,066 --> 00:39:54,866 you know really very serious spiritual practice 786 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,300 I was more 787 00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:12,833 using psychedelics to clean myself out 788 00:40:16,166 --> 00:40:20,400 Tim was using it more to clean the society out 789 00:40:21,133 --> 00:40:22,800 I wasn't born Richard Albert 790 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,500 I was just born as a human being 791 00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:27,800 and then I Learned this whole business of who I am 792 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,166 and whether I'm good or bad or achieving or not 793 00:40:31,166 --> 00:40:35,166 all that's Learned along the way and uh 794 00:40:35,166 --> 00:40:38,100 you see all those Learned things separate 795 00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:40,966 so you start to have this dissociative experience 796 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,466 of where all that you become is awareness 797 00:40:44,466 --> 00:40:45,600 is a point of awareness 798 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:46,766 that's all that's left 799 00:40:47,133 --> 00:40:50,500 I remember the first time this happened to me as 800 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:55,800 professor went and middle class boy went and pilot went 801 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,833 and all of my games were like going off in the distance 802 00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:02,866 I got this terrible panic because indeed 803 00:41:02,933 --> 00:41:04,633 I was gonna cease to exist 804 00:41:05,466 --> 00:41:06,700 and I got the panic 805 00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:09,366 which is the panic that precedes the psychological 806 00:41:09,366 --> 00:41:12,000 death because indeed Richard Albert was dying 807 00:41:14,133 --> 00:41:15,033 the the 808 00:41:18,266 --> 00:41:21,366 the psychedelics opened my mind 809 00:41:21,866 --> 00:41:27,700 to whole new spaces of myself and the universe 810 00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:34,366 I remember thinking um 811 00:41:35,566 --> 00:41:41,766 the psychedelic session the the um with mushrooms um 812 00:41:44,966 --> 00:41:48,400 this what I'm experiencing now 813 00:41:50,766 --> 00:41:53,633 is home it's 814 00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:56,366 it's a side of me 815 00:41:57,866 --> 00:42:01,766 that I never experienced through psychology 816 00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:12,700 it's like a new level of my my being that's 817 00:42:14,966 --> 00:42:17,000 and I got so excited 818 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,300 we think of ourselves as 819 00:42:19,966 --> 00:42:22,466 uh members of a very traditional organisation of men 820 00:42:22,466 --> 00:42:24,500 who have been asking a question uh 821 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:27,466 what's what uh uh 822 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,166 who is man and uh 823 00:42:30,966 --> 00:42:32,800 what is this energy process all about 824 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,000 Larry didn't think the institutions could possibly work 825 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,466 they're too encrested 826 00:42:37,466 --> 00:42:39,166 they were not open minded 827 00:42:39,166 --> 00:42:41,800 so therefore he had to carry on the way 828 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,300 carry out this plan that that that they were 829 00:42:44,333 --> 00:42:45,466 had engineered 830 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,433 and I said I don't think you can 831 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,233 change except through our institutions 832 00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:53,933 so you said 833 00:42:53,933 --> 00:42:55,500 all right he says 834 00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:56,666 I'll shake him up 835 00:42:56,666 --> 00:42:59,866 but you shake with the institutions and see if you can 836 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,366 get get it accepted in that way 837 00:43:02,666 --> 00:43:05,100 I think we have to see that the 838 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,500 people who have broken out of their culture 839 00:43:07,566 --> 00:43:10,500 the sears and the prophets are essentially right 840 00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:12,566 and that unless we follow their advice 841 00:43:12,566 --> 00:43:14,200 and follow it awfully quickly 842 00:43:14,266 --> 00:43:15,766 we're going to be in 843 00:43:15,766 --> 00:43:18,833 making reporting at a commence of our world 844 00:43:19,466 --> 00:43:21,100 all this was 845 00:43:21,566 --> 00:43:23,033 you know um 846 00:43:25,366 --> 00:43:30,100 telling us to keep keep psychedelics quiet 847 00:43:32,066 --> 00:43:33,800 and Timothy 848 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,266 he didn't just he was like a wild adolescent 849 00:43:40,533 --> 00:43:43,566 all the certain hiltitude should be 850 00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:48,233 reserve for people who want to do it since it's rather 851 00:43:48,366 --> 00:43:49,833 arduous times 852 00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:52,166 and Timothy 853 00:43:52,166 --> 00:43:55,966 I think his sort of populist approach was 854 00:43:56,700 --> 00:44:00,200 much on the fact that it was all he wanted to do 855 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,166 what he did 856 00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:03,333 was he put his head down 857 00:44:03,333 --> 00:44:06,500 and he chose the American Medical Association headline 858 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,500 and the American Medical 859 00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:14,333 Association is more powerful than Timothy Larry 860 00:44:14,333 --> 00:44:16,066 and they haunted him 861 00:44:17,533 --> 00:44:21,266 until his grave but he uh 862 00:44:23,333 --> 00:44:25,200 he had more effect than they did 863 00:44:26,533 --> 00:44:28,233 his role was to popularize it 864 00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:29,300 and at the end 865 00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:31,433 at the end it became impossible for 866 00:44:31,466 --> 00:44:33,366 those of us in research to use it 867 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,700 but it became easy 868 00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:36,466 for anyone else on the street to use it 869 00:44:36,533 --> 00:44:37,666 that's what Larry did 870 00:44:42,066 --> 00:44:43,566 by the mid 1960s 871 00:44:43,566 --> 00:44:45,666 LSD was a household word 872 00:44:46,766 --> 00:44:49,366 it became synonymous with the counterculture 873 00:44:49,466 --> 00:44:51,133 and was blamed for the unrest 874 00:44:51,133 --> 00:44:53,166 caused by the civil rights movement 875 00:44:53,333 --> 00:44:54,566 the women's movement 876 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,266 the ecology movement 877 00:44:56,533 --> 00:44:58,266 and the rising tide of protest 878 00:44:58,266 --> 00:44:59,900 against the war in Vietnam 879 00:45:00,866 --> 00:45:02,833 the USA banned LSD 880 00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:05,666 and pressured other countries to do the same 881 00:45:05,933 --> 00:45:08,800 this has resulted in a situation in which LSD 882 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,466 continues to be available on the black market 883 00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:13,333 while legitimate researchers 884 00:45:13,333 --> 00:45:15,766 are forbidden to experiment with the substance 885 00:45:15,766 --> 00:45:18,266 the this first band didn't work 886 00:45:19,666 --> 00:45:22,233 unless the or rather similar substances 887 00:45:22,966 --> 00:45:25,466 are spread wide over the world 888 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,366 and people are very ingenious 889 00:45:27,366 --> 00:45:28,200 I mean they 890 00:45:28,266 --> 00:45:31,300 uh uh they discover how to find out how to 891 00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:32,500 make things like this 892 00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:33,333 some of them uh 893 00:45:33,333 --> 00:45:38,266 what they make are uh uh uh uh dangerous and uh um 894 00:45:38,933 --> 00:45:41,700 unpleasant but that doesn't really uh 895 00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:43,800 worry the inventors very much 896 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,766 I have tremendous respect for psychedelics as a tool 897 00:45:47,966 --> 00:45:50,166 I have seen what they had done 898 00:45:50,166 --> 00:45:52,300 what they have done on the positive side 899 00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:53,866 I also know the risk 900 00:45:53,866 --> 00:45:56,066 I know what they can do if they are not properly 901 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,966 proper use and the more powerful the tool 902 00:45:58,966 --> 00:46:00,900 you know the more powerful potential 903 00:46:01,733 --> 00:46:03,566 um on both sides 904 00:46:04,166 --> 00:46:04,866 there are many 905 00:46:04,866 --> 00:46:06,933 many ways of inducing these experiences 906 00:46:06,933 --> 00:46:08,800 other than substances 907 00:46:09,333 --> 00:46:12,100 although there are shamans who use psychedelic plants 908 00:46:12,533 --> 00:46:14,566 the many shamans just use uh 909 00:46:14,566 --> 00:46:17,800 non drug methods like uh fasting 910 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,666 uh you know dehydration 911 00:46:19,666 --> 00:46:21,000 sleep deprivation 912 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,433 all the Native Americans going on a vision quest in the 913 00:46:24,766 --> 00:46:25,700 the mountains 914 00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:28,300 uh some cultures use 915 00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:30,300 use uh even extreme pain 916 00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:31,366 physical pain 917 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,500 then of course dancing chanting 918 00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:37,933 the certain specific musical instruments like drumming 919 00:46:37,933 --> 00:46:40,466 rattles bells and so on 920 00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:43,033 and of course the different spiritual practices 921 00:46:43,566 --> 00:46:47,266 and now we have powerful experiential psychotherapies 922 00:46:47,266 --> 00:46:48,566 the the rebirthing 923 00:46:48,566 --> 00:46:49,800 primotherapy 924 00:46:50,266 --> 00:46:52,000 uh the breath where they all 925 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,166 all can induce these non ordinary states 926 00:46:57,700 --> 00:46:58,833 why is it that 927 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,833 Native Americans are able to use peyote legally 928 00:47:05,066 --> 00:47:09,033 and yet the larger white culture is unable to take 929 00:47:09,533 --> 00:47:11,233 was unable to develop a format 930 00:47:11,766 --> 00:47:14,366 was unable to develop in religion in in 931 00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:17,766 psychiatry or medicine or 932 00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:21,166 recreationally or in any other way 933 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,433 when you look at the peyote experience 934 00:47:26,066 --> 00:47:26,866 it's a church 935 00:47:26,866 --> 00:47:27,933 it's a religion 936 00:47:27,933 --> 00:47:29,366 it's also healing 937 00:47:29,366 --> 00:47:33,366 it helps them with actual medicine and for example 938 00:47:33,366 --> 00:47:37,066 treatment of alcoholism and it's also psychotherapeutic 939 00:47:38,333 --> 00:47:40,200 it's an integrated experience 940 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,833 the real legitimate use is spiritual practice 941 00:47:47,366 --> 00:47:49,600 if you really look carefully 942 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,466 at what these substances are 943 00:47:51,666 --> 00:47:54,866 that is really the place where they should be developed 944 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,766 it should not be in the hands of doctors 945 00:47:57,966 --> 00:48:00,366 the doctors don't really understand 946 00:48:00,366 --> 00:48:01,300 some of them may 947 00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:04,500 may think that it will work out well for therapy 948 00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:05,866 but I think 949 00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:08,700 they're far more psychiatrist threatened by it 950 00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:10,066 than there are those 951 00:48:10,066 --> 00:48:13,166 who recognize it as a valuable tool 952 00:48:14,966 --> 00:48:18,066 I I suspect um 953 00:48:18,066 --> 00:48:24,800 the the best thing we can do would be to um a um 954 00:48:26,133 --> 00:48:29,900 would be a ritualize ritualize this 955 00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:39,266 we should have a kind of medication centers where 956 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,100 there would be the right conditions 957 00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:47,000 the right dosages all these uh 958 00:48:47,333 --> 00:48:52,766 factors which will must be known are fulfilled 959 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,100 we do wanna expand our consciousness 960 00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:14,233 we alter our consciousness all the time 961 00:49:15,066 --> 00:49:18,266 we cycle to waking and dreaming and sleeping 962 00:49:18,766 --> 00:49:21,466 it's natural consciousness naturally varies 963 00:49:22,466 --> 00:49:24,700 I mean I took a consciousness expanding drug this 964 00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:27,866 morning I had a cup of coffee that was a cycle active 965 00:49:27,866 --> 00:49:30,800 I got my brain going probably most people do that 966 00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:45,333 we interact with psychoactive 967 00:49:45,333 --> 00:49:47,666 substances and plants all the time 968 00:49:47,966 --> 00:49:52,266 um and the the point is to do it in a conscious way 969 00:49:52,266 --> 00:49:53,466 in a discriminating way 970 00:49:53,466 --> 00:49:55,566 in a purpose of way to choose it 971 00:49:59,066 --> 00:49:59,966 LSD 972 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:08,233 it's got me to see my stroke in a different way 973 00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:10,800 and 974 00:50:12,666 --> 00:50:13,466 ah 975 00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:26,966 and I can I can be happy with my life and people 976 00:50:26,966 --> 00:50:29,166 oh my goodness 977 00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:33,166 getting happy about a stroke 978 00:50:34,966 --> 00:50:36,566 that's LSD 979 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,066 there are still people who are violently opposed 980 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,100 to psychedelics 981 00:50:47,666 --> 00:50:50,266 very few of them have ever tried psychedelics 982 00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:57,200 and 99% of the opposition to them comes from 983 00:50:57,533 --> 00:51:00,266 people who are completely ignorant of their effects 984 00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:09,400 whether it will change remarkably in the next while 985 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:10,966 it's hard to say 986 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,766 some things take years and years and years 987 00:51:16,766 --> 00:51:19,800 as a finally finds the right solution 988 00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:24,066 and I am convinced Ellis Davis finds 67666

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