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it as it really is wonderful
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1943 war rages across Europe
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in the neutral confines of Switzerland
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Chemist Albert Hoffman is hard at work
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at the Sandos pharmaceutical company's Basel laboratory
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while searching for a cure for migraine headaches
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Hoffman accidentally
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ingests a minute amount of an experimental
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substance that would change both his life and the world
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LSD twenty five
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many would come to view it as a spiritual
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antidote to the atom bomb
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before the decade is over
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Sandos has sent Hoffman's discovery to researchers
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and psychiatrists all over the world for testing
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research projects spring up in such places as Canada
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the US England
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and Czechoslovakia
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One day we got a large
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box full of ampules
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and it was OSD and it uh
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there was an accompanying letter that said
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this was a very fascinating substance
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discovered practically by accident or um
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Doctor Hoffmann
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the discoverer
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likes to call it serendipity rather than accident
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when I discovered
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the estate was believed it was a
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a product of laboratory
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and then with this pervert taxis
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compounds had existed already for thousands of years
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in the Magplan Kingdom
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not exactly
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but practically
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when he intoxicated himself
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accidentally discovered that this was a very
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very powerful
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psychoactive substance
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and then he confirmed it in a planned self experiment
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being a cautious man
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I started with a very
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very little amount
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only support from milligram I tasted
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and then I had a
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and I could say a terrible
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terrible experience we grow
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we take a long time to get used to our world when we're
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oh we take many years in fact
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learning about it and learning how to behave
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and when it changes
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uh suddenly
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dramatically
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we may not like this after um some hours
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then I was laying in the bed
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I came back
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I came back for a foreign fight
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foreign existence
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to new to new life I saw
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certainly I realised how wonderful
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I would actually say I felt a Newborn
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a big Newborn
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and even the next day when I went into garden
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the world was new
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just what is LSD
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and what does it do
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the effect is
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somewhat like looking through a microscope
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suddenly uh
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when you look through a microscope
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you discover that there's an invisible world around
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you that you hadn't known about before you did it
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the same thing is true with a psychedelic drug
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you're aware of processes
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that are going on inside your own brain
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you're aware of the um
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exchange of energies that are going on between
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your sense organs and the energies around them
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that you weren't aware of before okay
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now you have no hallucinations to sell this team
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hallucination is if you see something is
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there's not a taste
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just uh but
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under LSD you has
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you see things that is
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which are transformed
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and comes uh it is is a different view
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a different experience of our existence
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do you know that Joe um
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senses change
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uh means that you
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you face a lot of new and quite unfamiliar problems
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I mean you suddenly became aware of the
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textures and colours
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uh all these things uh
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suddenly becoming immensely important
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for myself these experiences have been most strange
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most awesome and in their own way
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amongst the most beautiful in my life
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a sense of special significance
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began to invest everything
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everything was brilliantly sharp and significant
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if I fixed my attention on a flower
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I felt that I could spend all day contemplating it
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phrases such as I've seen with the eye of the world
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the eye of the Newborn and the new dead
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sprang to my tongue
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apparently without construction
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a plain wooden chair was invested with a cheeriness
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no chair had ever for me before
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and begins to see
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significance and things you didn't see before
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many people become aware of a quite different world
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Saskatchewan uh
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is a very large place
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and it is a lot of it's empty
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I spent many years in Saskatchewan
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not sure which I'm uh in an Ambiluent way very fond
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I went there
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as clinical director of this large mental hospital
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I enjoyed this days in Saskatchewan
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new chemicals allow us to experience some of
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the unbelievably unpleasant and sometimes quite
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terrifying mental agonys of the schizophrenic patient
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to some extent
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to put ourselves in his shoes for a few hours
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these people have terrible experiences
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that's why they're so tense
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we know that
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seemingly small errors made in caring for them
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will cause that tension to rise
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it was a bad hospital
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every time you went there
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you were surrounded by people who were yelling
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and shouting and
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and just ticulating and making all sorts of noise
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they're very sick and happy people
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on the ground at night
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there was always shrieking and crying and screaming
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you could hear it all over the place
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terrible place really was
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we found ourselves landed with this uh
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decrepit hospital and the demoralized south
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as it turned out
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they were a lot better
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and many people believed they were uh
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they were decent and humane
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uh proud of people
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they did a very good job
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Doctor Abraham Hoffer
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biochemist and psychiatrist heads our research team
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at the University Hospital in Saskatoon
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Eve and I met because of my interest
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well became his interest in schizophrenia
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he was an admirable chef to work with
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he's a he's a Prairie Vaughan and uh
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the other very important point was uh
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a lot of things that uh
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he was tremendously helpful to me because my
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my old predecessor will say
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hey he said
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you don't understand the Canadians of the prayer
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is my having your name was a reference point
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I was able to prove many astounding refugations of this
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and you could produce them on the roof
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I've always given a happy credit for
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the immense contribution he made
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he really made
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he was the Saint
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the most important catalyst
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had he not come to Saskatchewan when he did
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I doubt I would have gone into this field at all
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and my guess
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is that I would have become a straightforward
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standard conservative
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Orthodox psychiatrist
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we are able to hold our world constant
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from the schizophrenic person
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this constancy breaks down
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or begins to break down
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which is worse
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because of the uncertainty
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we conducted hundreds of experiments
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using different substances to produce schizophrenic
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like symptoms in our cells
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I put myself through more than 15 experiments
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using everything from odoloquy to adrenolutine
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once we began getting a little more money
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we didn't get much more money
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but a little more money and uh the
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the conditions
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uh uh really improved quite a lot
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Tommy Douglas
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he was a man of tremendous vision
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it made sense to him to say that schizophrenia
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keeps a lot of people tied up for years and years
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and nobody knows what causes it
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and nobody knows how to cure it
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and maybe there's a better way to go about it
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and
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so they set up a project
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and I was caught in the project it was great
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so we had everything going for us at that time
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it was a series of coincidence that probably
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could not happen again
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by the mid 1950s
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LSD research was being published in medical
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and academic journals all over the world
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it showed potential
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benefits in the treatment of alcoholism
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drug addiction
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and other mental illnesses
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some psychiatrists and other mental health workers
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began taking it themselves
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in order to experience greater empathy
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with their schizophrenic patients
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much of this work was pioneered by Osmond
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Hoffer and Blewett in Saskatchewan
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where the prevailing
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psychoanalytic model of mental illness
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was about to give way to one based on brain chemistry
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ah ah
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Doctor Humphrey Eismann
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it was hamlet
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first said that when you're working with LSD
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you have to start with yourself and uh
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you should to put yourself forward as uh
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knowing something
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what LSD until you had taken it was pretty
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almost criminal
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uh and he uh
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he sort of laid down the ground rules of
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research with LSD in the province
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and they were very sound
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this is compared to the research
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it was carried out in other centers
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this Saskatchewan was miles ahead of the pack
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in Saskatchewan
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and cooperating with scientists all over the world
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we've been working to prove a theory
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he's been disarmed
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we decided to use these to grow
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to see if we could get inside
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the skin of a schizophrenic patient
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to see if this might give us a clue
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as to how we might better treat them
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I was simply interested in seeing what the
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um if it this was the experience our patients had
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what it was like
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and it was a great surprise to me
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LSD really changed our thinking
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and had the following major changes
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that once we had taken the LSD
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we became much more aware
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of what was happening to the schizophrenic patient
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and it also had the effect of making
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taking the patients
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accounts of that experience very seriously
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which you you don't necessarily hear
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if you hear them everyday
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and they're always not the same
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you don't really think about what what
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what's it like for that particular person
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Doctor Harper
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you used it in treating alcoholism
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uh why do you use it for that purpose
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in my opinion Mr Burton
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and this is based upon 500 cases that we have treated
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over the past eight years
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uh we selected alcoholics because it is often
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easier to know whether they are improved or not
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and many of our people had not responded to
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the best treatment that we could give them
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and they are now sober and good people hmm
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we forgot to use LSD to treat alcoholics
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the original idea was to use it as a drug
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give them LSD
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give them a terrible time
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and hope that they would
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therefore not wanna drink anymore
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didn't work that way at all
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alcoholics uh
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tended to be very tolerant of their own uh
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shortcomings and uh
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they rather
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like not to think about this
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with a great advantage with with um
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one of the hallucinogens
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is that you could make them very well aware of this
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and it Nigel to sometimes change their behaviour
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the night season in a quite different light
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they gave the first LSD to the alcoholics
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and after they had given it to five or six or seven
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Humphrey says
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you know he said it stopped working
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I said what do you mean
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he says we can't give them
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this terrible time they're supposed to have
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I said what's happening
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he said it's something different
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and he began to describe what was happening
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he was describing a psychedelic experience under uh
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see some of them
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sometimes we get the idea
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perhaps they really were mistreating their
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their own kin and uh
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that is powerful uh uh uh
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incentive to do something about it
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it's not thought to be a good idea to
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persecute your own family and unless family like it
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and presumably if they took the view of your drinking
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they didn't like it
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these experiments have helped us to experience
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something of how these ill people perceive the world
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it's dimensions of time
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space and colour
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unforgave me honestly
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and I Learned the secret of his success
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it's all on the inside it's
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just looking for you
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if you don't
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really understand the spiritual basis of man
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and you're not open to it
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you're missing one of the greatest contributions
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that LSC can make
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well Hubbard came along and um
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demonstrated a whole new way of using it
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based on spiritual realization
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Captain Alfred M
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Hubbard was born into a poor Kentucky family in 19 0 2
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eccentric and charismatic
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he grew up to make his fortune as a pilot
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an inventor and an entrepreneur
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after some of his darker dealings got
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him into trouble with US authorities during World War 2
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he moved to an island off the coast of British Columbia
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Hubbard believed that
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if the right individuals were exposed to it
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LSD could save the world
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he set about on his mission
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to turn on the captains of industry
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and the princes of the church
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a good LSD experience
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what happens that as you resolve your inner conflicts
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and the loads and the barriers that had developed
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and you begin to reach down into
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the depths of your own being
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you see more and more levels of being
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more and more levels of understanding
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often we like to blame our feelings on other people
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and what they're doing to us
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but if I feel it
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it's my feeling
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and I have produced it
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and I'm the only one that can resolve it
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unfortunately
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these substances allow you to see and recognize this
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and resolve it
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meeting Hubbard was one of the
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most remarkable things that ever happened to me
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maybe not as effective as taking LSD
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but he was so different than anyone I'd ever met
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but the thing about him that um
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was also very different was
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he's radiated an energy that I could feel
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I don't think ever before in my life
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I'd ever felt anyone
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but I could feel his energy
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and I just felt so good in his presence
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he had a religious vision that he was uh
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working on behalf of the
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uh
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it's a virgin mother and uh
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giving people the key to the
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the religious universe you know
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and he only half believes in himself
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but he was the most unlikely
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man to be on a religious mission that
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you could possibly imagine
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he has a lot of tricks up his sleeve
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he gave me a little method dream
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which is a nice euphoria
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so left me with hurt feelings about L Hubbard
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and I was pretty convinced that I needed to go and try
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LSD with him
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so I made a date and went up to Canada
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I was just astounded at what I Learned
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and I felt enormously free from the way I had before
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and then I just couldn't get over
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such a profound learning experience
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so naturally
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I became very enthused about it
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started talking to people about it
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and encouraging others and
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begin to wonder how I could get more and more involved
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we set up the foundation in Menlo Park
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and we had got a lot of help from Al
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we formed the corporation
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hoffer and Osmond
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were on the board of directors Al was not
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interested in extremely objective evidence
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he was interested in the evidence he liked
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which is very human and understandable
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he liked any
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any sort of Creedence
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because he didn't have customary training and
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people but she sort of
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poo pooed him as a wild man but he uh
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he was some wild man haha
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I only met him once
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it was very amusing
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he came for lunch
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a very a very busy man
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and he came with some apparatus
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the apparatus was to get
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give himself some c 0 2 I think
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and after lunch
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he took his nose
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just you too
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and then he was happy and then he left
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that's the only time I met him
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very exordinate type
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he always would be fascinated by a person like that
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oh yes whether one makes contact with all this Huxley
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through his writing or in personal conversation
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the impression that comes almost immediately
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is that of a uniquely versatile
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omnivorous intellect
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constantly searching and probing with a clean
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cold incisiveness
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all the song articles I've written somewhere
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and through that
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I got to know him
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he was a very nice person to me first
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at his best
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and excellent conversations
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and immensely Learned and very good nature
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and of course he um
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he was pressed in no subject
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he didn't know a lot more about it than I did
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so I was very impressed by this
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the start of the Second World War
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found eminent British author
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Elvis Huxley
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writing screenplays in Hollywood California
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while there
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Huxley explored eastern mysticism
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with such luminaries as Gerald Heard and Alan Watts
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he wrote to Doctor Humphrey Osmond
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after reading an article about mescaline
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that the doctor had published
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they struck up a
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friendship that would last until huxley's death in 1963
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but it was during
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their first meeting in 1953 that Osmond gave Huxley
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his first psychedelic experience
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which prompted the author to compose his famous essay
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The Doors of perception
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I didn't really want to uh uh
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end my career as a manhood gristen
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all the snare
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that wouldn't been
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a good start but um
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in fact we uh had a very pleasant time together
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and also I didn't uh
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I don't think I need any other great blunder so that uh
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all of us uh liked the experience
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it is interested in him and um
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I think he liked to think this was
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contributing something to scientific knowledge
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the point that interests me is that
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whereas the ordinary
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everyday experience is of course absolutely essential
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most of the time
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it's not the only possible experience
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there also other types of consciousness
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I mean the artists type
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mystics type and so on which have
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empirically an enormous value and may help people to
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live less self centered and more charitable lives
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and more understanding lives
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oldest neighbour give this session to
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to friend or to someone who wanted
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and the preparation for session was very
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very careful
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for the the day before we didn't do anything
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we just fix the house very quietly
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the day of the session there was nothing except that
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and even the day after
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so there was a three day things because
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as all the salt in Ireland
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the session is a
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it got to it disgrace is what you take away from there
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it got to it disgrace
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something given to you for nothing
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not that you've married it
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you just are lucky and get it
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but what you do with it afterwards
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it both counts
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nothing is easier than to formulate high ideals
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the few things are more difficult than to discover
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the means whereby those ideals may be implemented
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one has to dream
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but one has to dream in a pragmatic way
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I think I actually enjoyed Hubbard
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Hubbard was very excited about the potential of LSD
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he felt a mission to the world
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to bring this and have it spread
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one of the things that the two of us planned was
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to hopefully reach the place where we could
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set up treatment centers around the world
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eventually L set up a place in Vancouver
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which was a place to give people LSD
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with proper kindness setting
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to make people feel at home and encourage them
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when the person was accepted to go through the program
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he was given an outline to write his history
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what problems he had
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he had any health problems
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what was the relationship with his parents
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what was his childhood like
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so then they came to the session
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and some introductory remarks were made
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the importance
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for example
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of just releasing to the experience
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and knowing that they had help and could ask questions
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and then they were administered LSD
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and then we would lie them down on the couch
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we put headphones on them
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and then create an internal journey
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and then we would put on music
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and we would keep playing the music
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and usually it's been the first two
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three maybe even four hours there
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and that's what we wanted
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for them to go deeply into themselves and explore
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cause we were taking notes and we had a tape recorder
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so that everything that was said was recorded
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can I come up for a minute
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certainly David
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so then after four
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maybe five hours
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so we would feel like coming out and sitting up
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so we began to talk
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that was magnificent
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we would show them pictures of the family
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so that they could look at
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them and spend time with them
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which probably
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probably the most important part of the session
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for people who were there for therapeutic reasons
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00:27:54,566 --> 00:27:58,400
Hubbard was very ingenious at working out things that
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promoted the effectiveness of the LSD experience
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one of them came up with was the strobe
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00:28:05,566 --> 00:28:07,566
and found that the strobe light
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if you get it pretty close to the alpha rhythm
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produced it very weird effects
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it does anyway as a natural strobe
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when you combine that with LSD
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is really very remarkable
562
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:24,933
looking into the mirror
563
00:28:24,933 --> 00:28:27,366
is one of the most powerful things you can do
564
00:28:27,366 --> 00:28:28,666
to look at yourself
565
00:28:28,666 --> 00:28:29,533
and of course
566
00:28:29,533 --> 00:28:32,333
at first some people really draw back
567
00:28:32,333 --> 00:28:34,766
you know I've seen people even frightened
568
00:28:34,766 --> 00:28:35,966
at the image of their mirror
569
00:28:35,966 --> 00:28:38,233
but we encourage them just look
570
00:28:38,266 --> 00:28:39,633
just accept it
571
00:28:39,933 --> 00:28:41,200
and as they do
572
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,300
they begin to see more and more
573
00:28:43,533 --> 00:28:45,800
and if they go far enough with this
574
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,233
they begin to see their inner self
575
00:28:51,966 --> 00:28:54,366
one of the most powerful artifacts that you
576
00:28:54,366 --> 00:28:57,500
can show to a person when they're under the influence
577
00:28:57,666 --> 00:29:00,933
is a beautiful red rose that just uh
578
00:29:00,933 --> 00:29:03,833
partly open and hasn't fully opened yet
579
00:29:04,533 --> 00:29:07,266
for many the rose comes to life
580
00:29:07,566 --> 00:29:09,133
and they actually see it breathe
581
00:29:09,133 --> 00:29:12,600
they can actually see the petals open and close
582
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,666
we would always have
583
00:29:16,666 --> 00:29:19,000
arranged for sitter to take them home
584
00:29:19,266 --> 00:29:20,866
and the sitter would take them home
585
00:29:20,866 --> 00:29:24,200
and sit with them until they went to sleep
586
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:28,200
uh people had a sense of being dropped
587
00:29:28,266 --> 00:29:31,200
uh they came for a few times afterwards
588
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:33,900
and then we didn't see them anymore
589
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:37,166
and we paid such close attention to them ahead of time
590
00:29:37,166 --> 00:29:39,066
that they felt sort of neglected
591
00:29:41,566 --> 00:29:44,300
there were several people gone through the process
592
00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:46,466
who were sort of typical leader types
593
00:29:46,466 --> 00:29:49,100
and they formed groups
594
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,933
so that people could join one of the groups
595
00:29:51,933 --> 00:29:53,200
and they would go to the group
596
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,166
say once a week
597
00:29:54,166 --> 00:29:56,866
and they'd share experiences with each other
598
00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:00,166
my feeling was today in this
599
00:30:00,166 --> 00:30:01,966
that if you're looking for paradise
600
00:30:01,966 --> 00:30:03,066
after this experience
601
00:30:03,066 --> 00:30:04,900
you begin to realize that it's right here
602
00:30:05,266 --> 00:30:06,866
wherever you happen to be
603
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:09,233
like where we're sitting
604
00:30:09,733 --> 00:30:11,200
you make your own heaven and hell
605
00:30:31,133 --> 00:30:34,800
is very important that one is prepared
606
00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:37,900
for the use of psychedelics
607
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,233
it is not just fun
608
00:30:41,533 --> 00:30:46,766
it is a very serious uh experiment
609
00:30:50,766 --> 00:30:54,366
psychedelics allow you to do things
610
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,200
but you only do the things that you really want to do
611
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,800
and if it's something that you don't want to do
612
00:30:59,966 --> 00:31:01,533
then stay away from it
613
00:31:01,533 --> 00:31:02,966
it's not for you
614
00:31:04,866 --> 00:31:06,866
so intention is the bottom line
615
00:31:06,866 --> 00:31:07,866
as a matter of fact
616
00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:10,666
I think intention is the bottom line in life anyway
617
00:31:10,666 --> 00:31:12,800
for all of us at any time
618
00:31:16,366 --> 00:31:17,800
when you think about ritual
619
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,600
you know traditional ritual ceremony
620
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,366
that's just the purpose of intentional use
621
00:31:22,366 --> 00:31:24,366
of arranging the set and the setting
622
00:31:24,933 --> 00:31:27,933
um it's not the ritual per se has any value
623
00:31:27,933 --> 00:31:31,533
but it has value depending on the intention and the set
624
00:31:31,533 --> 00:31:33,166
and the setting that's behind it
625
00:31:35,666 --> 00:31:38,666
sad is what you bring to the experience
626
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,866
you bring your life experience
627
00:31:41,866 --> 00:31:43,400
you bring your memories
628
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:46,433
uh you bring your unconscious material
629
00:31:46,566 --> 00:31:48,600
you bring your aspirations
630
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:51,000
some people
631
00:31:51,333 --> 00:31:53,700
um may have a much better set
632
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:56,700
and sail very smoothly through these experiences
633
00:31:57,133 --> 00:31:59,833
others may have very difficult sets and may
634
00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:02,066
have to work harder and maybe
635
00:32:02,066 --> 00:32:04,266
be a lot more uncomfortable before they
636
00:32:04,266 --> 00:32:06,233
get things resolved
637
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:10,300
a setting is also important
638
00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:14,633
and setting is the place for you have experience
639
00:32:14,666 --> 00:32:16,366
it's your surroundings
640
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,233
oh it's your companions
641
00:32:19,533 --> 00:32:21,566
and these things are very important
642
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,600
the approach to give it early
643
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,600
this session was extraordinary
644
00:32:26,966 --> 00:32:30,066
start out careful respectful
645
00:32:30,066 --> 00:32:33,300
loving and also self efficing
646
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:35,000
because the most difficult thing
647
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,566
if you are a guide is not to have opinion
648
00:32:37,566 --> 00:32:42,066
to let the person give whatever he feels
649
00:32:42,066 --> 00:32:43,633
whatever he sees
650
00:32:45,533 --> 00:32:50,200
and so it was completely different from what happened
651
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,666
four years later that was given in its street
652
00:32:53,666 --> 00:32:55,200
and it was very upsetting
653
00:33:04,866 --> 00:33:07,566
when uh young people started using it
654
00:33:07,733 --> 00:33:12,633
they'd uh go to uh a party or something and they get
655
00:33:12,666 --> 00:33:16,000
stoned out of their guard and uh then
656
00:33:16,933 --> 00:33:18,766
uh there was no uh
657
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:24,266
support system if they freaked out uh
658
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,900
and they'd end up in uh
659
00:33:28,533 --> 00:33:32,300
a metal ward somewhere and get a shot of uh
660
00:33:33,166 --> 00:33:37,266
niacin or something to pull them down and
661
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:39,900
that wasn't
662
00:33:41,133 --> 00:33:45,366
that wasn't very effective what you're getting on
663
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,466
to consider what they were learning if uh
664
00:33:52,666 --> 00:33:56,166
the setting is threatening and frightening
665
00:33:56,333 --> 00:33:59,966
or if the people evolved um
666
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:03,400
suddenly shut off in the middle of it
667
00:34:03,466 --> 00:34:05,166
uh the the the person here
668
00:34:05,166 --> 00:34:08,766
they're frightened and then you got uh uh uh
669
00:34:09,933 --> 00:34:13,500
anxiety which no longer controlled by the
670
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,066
the normal means of drowning anxiety
671
00:34:17,066 --> 00:34:20,366
it it just goes on and they may panic
672
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,466
a matter of course has happened
673
00:34:30,666 --> 00:34:33,466
there are places in Canada where they
674
00:34:33,466 --> 00:34:35,900
tired people in bed to give them LSD
675
00:34:40,366 --> 00:34:44,033
and I don't know why they would do that but
676
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,000
partly we that came about because early research
677
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,300
with it was uh done by the American Army
678
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:55,766
and their aim was all together different
679
00:34:55,766 --> 00:34:57,800
they wanted to use it as a weapon
680
00:35:00,533 --> 00:35:02,566
and when you start from
681
00:35:03,666 --> 00:35:06,066
the weapons approach uh
682
00:35:07,166 --> 00:35:12,100
is the confusion and the disturbance
683
00:35:12,533 --> 00:35:15,000
that you're capitalizing on
684
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,566
because it felt that
685
00:35:16,666 --> 00:35:19,066
if you give it to a whole population
686
00:35:19,533 --> 00:35:21,133
they'd be pretty well immobilized
687
00:35:21,133 --> 00:35:22,333
because people wouldn't
688
00:35:22,333 --> 00:35:24,766
be able to carry on in their normal fashion
689
00:35:24,766 --> 00:35:27,766
and you just sort of move them out of the road quietly
690
00:35:27,766 --> 00:35:30,633
and move in and take over their function and
691
00:35:33,166 --> 00:35:35,466
have a victory with no trouble whatever
692
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:39,466
uh that was necessary but it
693
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:43,500
it backfired on the Americans they uh
694
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,833
found out that when they gave it to the soldiers
695
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,500
first thing the soldiers wanted to do is quit the army
696
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,900
we teach
697
00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:02,600
the science and art of ecstasy
698
00:36:03,166 --> 00:36:05,600
we teach people how to turn on
699
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:08,200
or how to go out of their minds
700
00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:10,666
by turn on we mean um
701
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:14,666
tune in to get beyond your routine
702
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:18,300
ways of thinking and acting and experiencing
703
00:36:24,133 --> 00:36:27,333
in 1961 two of Harvard University's best
704
00:36:27,333 --> 00:36:30,966
and brightest minds discovered psilocybin and LSD
705
00:36:32,166 --> 00:36:33,300
Richard Alpert
706
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:35,566
who later changed his name to Ramdos
707
00:36:35,766 --> 00:36:37,066
and Timothy Leary
708
00:36:37,266 --> 00:36:39,666
along with graduate student Ralph Metzner
709
00:36:39,666 --> 00:36:42,966
began doing psychedelic research on a wide scale
710
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:45,400
conducting projects with religious leaders
711
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,500
and prison communities
712
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:47,433
among others
713
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:51,600
Harvard's administration eventually grew uncomfortable
714
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,700
with the amount of media attention Leary was receiving
715
00:36:54,866 --> 00:36:56,400
and cancelled the project
716
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:02,700
Larry Elpert and Metzner moved first to Mexico
717
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:04,366
and then to upstate New York
718
00:37:04,366 --> 00:37:07,166
to continue working with these substances
719
00:37:09,066 --> 00:37:12,466
like middle class academics and um
720
00:37:14,533 --> 00:37:15,866
our our role
721
00:37:15,866 --> 00:37:17,000
I think in retrospect
722
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,300
was to try to find some way that
723
00:37:19,766 --> 00:37:22,333
the professional middle class world of psychologists
724
00:37:22,333 --> 00:37:24,433
psychotherapists and so forth could
725
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,300
accommodate these experiences
726
00:37:27,666 --> 00:37:30,300
and uh we tried it within the university setting
727
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:32,066
and it worked for a while
728
00:37:32,066 --> 00:37:34,133
and certain experiments were done
729
00:37:34,133 --> 00:37:35,266
and we carried out the experiments
730
00:37:35,266 --> 00:37:36,866
and we published articles in the journal
731
00:37:36,866 --> 00:37:38,200
and then after a while
732
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,300
it was no longer possible to do that then
733
00:37:41,566 --> 00:37:44,166
then we experiment with other settings so
734
00:37:44,166 --> 00:37:48,066
we had this LSD training center in de LA Nejo in Mexico
735
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:48,900
we said well
736
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:50,166
let's go into a
737
00:37:50,466 --> 00:37:52,966
you know where we're freed from the usual constraints
738
00:37:52,966 --> 00:37:54,500
but we still have the structure
739
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,700
we just want to explore these potentials of these in a
740
00:37:57,700 --> 00:37:58,733
in a serious way
741
00:37:58,733 --> 00:37:59,900
it was not just a
742
00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:02,700
an ongoing drug party and and uh
743
00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:04,066
it was it was planned
744
00:38:04,066 --> 00:38:06,966
it was no attention played to certain settings of what
745
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:11,400
um but then that also proved to be uh
746
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,700
not viable um
747
00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:16,900
didn't have the right political support
748
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,266
it's just a tendency for these substances to
749
00:38:20,266 --> 00:38:22,566
to become sensationalized
750
00:38:24,533 --> 00:38:26,566
we often say that uh
751
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:29,266
we're teaching people how to use their head
752
00:38:30,166 --> 00:38:33,900
the uh point is that in order to use your head
753
00:38:34,366 --> 00:38:36,000
you have to go out of your mind
754
00:38:36,066 --> 00:38:38,500
you have to go out of all of the static
755
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:42,300
symbolic ways in which you think experience timberly
756
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:44,566
you know from my perspective yeah
757
00:38:45,266 --> 00:38:47,533
sort of created more problems
758
00:38:47,533 --> 00:38:48,866
I don't think it was a very
759
00:38:49,133 --> 00:38:51,033
he made certainly popularised
760
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,033
you know inside a lot of people to experiment but he
761
00:38:57,666 --> 00:39:00,066
I did not really give fair information
762
00:39:00,066 --> 00:39:02,000
he was talking about the LSD you know
763
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,966
there's a substance that makes trillions of yourself
764
00:39:04,966 --> 00:39:06,900
singing the song of liberation
765
00:39:07,666 --> 00:39:09,933
uh didn't tell people about the dangerous
766
00:39:09,933 --> 00:39:10,966
uh you know
767
00:39:10,966 --> 00:39:13,366
that before you go to heaven
768
00:39:13,366 --> 00:39:14,600
you might go to hell
769
00:39:15,333 --> 00:39:16,600
or if you don't do it right
770
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,266
you might stay there maybe
771
00:39:18,266 --> 00:39:20,166
Timothy was uh uh
772
00:39:20,166 --> 00:39:22,200
a really um
773
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,833
brilliant uh uh
774
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:27,200
entrepreneur of notions
775
00:39:27,533 --> 00:39:29,166
and on that he was very
776
00:39:29,166 --> 00:39:30,833
at his best very good
777
00:39:31,733 --> 00:39:32,500
unfortunately
778
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:35,866
he didn't necessarily always get very good nations
779
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,266
I have much more respect my myself for ramdus
780
00:39:39,733 --> 00:39:41,966
they were you know colleagues
781
00:39:41,966 --> 00:39:43,800
professors at Harvard and
782
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,500
but the direction he took in
783
00:39:46,266 --> 00:39:49,266
and towards the spiritual philosophies in India
784
00:39:49,266 --> 00:39:51,066
and his sort of following was his
785
00:39:51,066 --> 00:39:54,866
you know really very serious spiritual practice
786
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,300
I was more
787
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:12,833
using psychedelics to clean myself out
788
00:40:16,166 --> 00:40:20,400
Tim was using it more to clean the society out
789
00:40:21,133 --> 00:40:22,800
I wasn't born Richard Albert
790
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,500
I was just born as a human being
791
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:27,800
and then I Learned this whole business of who I am
792
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,166
and whether I'm good or bad or achieving or not
793
00:40:31,166 --> 00:40:35,166
all that's Learned along the way and uh
794
00:40:35,166 --> 00:40:38,100
you see all those Learned things separate
795
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:40,966
so you start to have this dissociative experience
796
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,466
of where all that you become is awareness
797
00:40:44,466 --> 00:40:45,600
is a point of awareness
798
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:46,766
that's all that's left
799
00:40:47,133 --> 00:40:50,500
I remember the first time this happened to me as
800
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:55,800
professor went and middle class boy went and pilot went
801
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,833
and all of my games were like going off in the distance
802
00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:02,866
I got this terrible panic because indeed
803
00:41:02,933 --> 00:41:04,633
I was gonna cease to exist
804
00:41:05,466 --> 00:41:06,700
and I got the panic
805
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:09,366
which is the panic that precedes the psychological
806
00:41:09,366 --> 00:41:12,000
death because indeed Richard Albert was dying
807
00:41:14,133 --> 00:41:15,033
the the
808
00:41:18,266 --> 00:41:21,366
the psychedelics opened my mind
809
00:41:21,866 --> 00:41:27,700
to whole new spaces of myself and the universe
810
00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:34,366
I remember thinking um
811
00:41:35,566 --> 00:41:41,766
the psychedelic session the the um with mushrooms um
812
00:41:44,966 --> 00:41:48,400
this what I'm experiencing now
813
00:41:50,766 --> 00:41:53,633
is home it's
814
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:56,366
it's a side of me
815
00:41:57,866 --> 00:42:01,766
that I never experienced through psychology
816
00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:12,700
it's like a new level of my my being that's
817
00:42:14,966 --> 00:42:17,000
and I got so excited
818
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,300
we think of ourselves as
819
00:42:19,966 --> 00:42:22,466
uh members of a very traditional organisation of men
820
00:42:22,466 --> 00:42:24,500
who have been asking a question uh
821
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:27,466
what's what uh uh
822
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,166
who is man and uh
823
00:42:30,966 --> 00:42:32,800
what is this energy process all about
824
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,000
Larry didn't think the institutions could possibly work
825
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,466
they're too encrested
826
00:42:37,466 --> 00:42:39,166
they were not open minded
827
00:42:39,166 --> 00:42:41,800
so therefore he had to carry on the way
828
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,300
carry out this plan that that that they were
829
00:42:44,333 --> 00:42:45,466
had engineered
830
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,433
and I said I don't think you can
831
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,233
change except through our institutions
832
00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:53,933
so you said
833
00:42:53,933 --> 00:42:55,500
all right he says
834
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:56,666
I'll shake him up
835
00:42:56,666 --> 00:42:59,866
but you shake with the institutions and see if you can
836
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,366
get get it accepted in that way
837
00:43:02,666 --> 00:43:05,100
I think we have to see that the
838
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,500
people who have broken out of their culture
839
00:43:07,566 --> 00:43:10,500
the sears and the prophets are essentially right
840
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:12,566
and that unless we follow their advice
841
00:43:12,566 --> 00:43:14,200
and follow it awfully quickly
842
00:43:14,266 --> 00:43:15,766
we're going to be in
843
00:43:15,766 --> 00:43:18,833
making reporting at a commence of our world
844
00:43:19,466 --> 00:43:21,100
all this was
845
00:43:21,566 --> 00:43:23,033
you know um
846
00:43:25,366 --> 00:43:30,100
telling us to keep keep psychedelics quiet
847
00:43:32,066 --> 00:43:33,800
and Timothy
848
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,266
he didn't just he was like a wild adolescent
849
00:43:40,533 --> 00:43:43,566
all the certain hiltitude should be
850
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:48,233
reserve for people who want to do it since it's rather
851
00:43:48,366 --> 00:43:49,833
arduous times
852
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:52,166
and Timothy
853
00:43:52,166 --> 00:43:55,966
I think his sort of populist approach was
854
00:43:56,700 --> 00:44:00,200
much on the fact that it was all he wanted to do
855
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,166
what he did
856
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:03,333
was he put his head down
857
00:44:03,333 --> 00:44:06,500
and he chose the American Medical Association headline
858
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,500
and the American Medical
859
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:14,333
Association is more powerful than Timothy Larry
860
00:44:14,333 --> 00:44:16,066
and they haunted him
861
00:44:17,533 --> 00:44:21,266
until his grave but he uh
862
00:44:23,333 --> 00:44:25,200
he had more effect than they did
863
00:44:26,533 --> 00:44:28,233
his role was to popularize it
864
00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:29,300
and at the end
865
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:31,433
at the end it became impossible for
866
00:44:31,466 --> 00:44:33,366
those of us in research to use it
867
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,700
but it became easy
868
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:36,466
for anyone else on the street to use it
869
00:44:36,533 --> 00:44:37,666
that's what Larry did
870
00:44:42,066 --> 00:44:43,566
by the mid 1960s
871
00:44:43,566 --> 00:44:45,666
LSD was a household word
872
00:44:46,766 --> 00:44:49,366
it became synonymous with the counterculture
873
00:44:49,466 --> 00:44:51,133
and was blamed for the unrest
874
00:44:51,133 --> 00:44:53,166
caused by the civil rights movement
875
00:44:53,333 --> 00:44:54,566
the women's movement
876
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,266
the ecology movement
877
00:44:56,533 --> 00:44:58,266
and the rising tide of protest
878
00:44:58,266 --> 00:44:59,900
against the war in Vietnam
879
00:45:00,866 --> 00:45:02,833
the USA banned LSD
880
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:05,666
and pressured other countries to do the same
881
00:45:05,933 --> 00:45:08,800
this has resulted in a situation in which LSD
882
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,466
continues to be available on the black market
883
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:13,333
while legitimate researchers
884
00:45:13,333 --> 00:45:15,766
are forbidden to experiment with the substance
885
00:45:15,766 --> 00:45:18,266
the this first band didn't work
886
00:45:19,666 --> 00:45:22,233
unless the or rather similar substances
887
00:45:22,966 --> 00:45:25,466
are spread wide over the world
888
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,366
and people are very ingenious
889
00:45:27,366 --> 00:45:28,200
I mean they
890
00:45:28,266 --> 00:45:31,300
uh uh they discover how to find out how to
891
00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:32,500
make things like this
892
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:33,333
some of them uh
893
00:45:33,333 --> 00:45:38,266
what they make are uh uh uh uh dangerous and uh um
894
00:45:38,933 --> 00:45:41,700
unpleasant but that doesn't really uh
895
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:43,800
worry the inventors very much
896
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,766
I have tremendous respect for psychedelics as a tool
897
00:45:47,966 --> 00:45:50,166
I have seen what they had done
898
00:45:50,166 --> 00:45:52,300
what they have done on the positive side
899
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:53,866
I also know the risk
900
00:45:53,866 --> 00:45:56,066
I know what they can do if they are not properly
901
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,966
proper use and the more powerful the tool
902
00:45:58,966 --> 00:46:00,900
you know the more powerful potential
903
00:46:01,733 --> 00:46:03,566
um on both sides
904
00:46:04,166 --> 00:46:04,866
there are many
905
00:46:04,866 --> 00:46:06,933
many ways of inducing these experiences
906
00:46:06,933 --> 00:46:08,800
other than substances
907
00:46:09,333 --> 00:46:12,100
although there are shamans who use psychedelic plants
908
00:46:12,533 --> 00:46:14,566
the many shamans just use uh
909
00:46:14,566 --> 00:46:17,800
non drug methods like uh fasting
910
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,666
uh you know dehydration
911
00:46:19,666 --> 00:46:21,000
sleep deprivation
912
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,433
all the Native Americans going on a vision quest in the
913
00:46:24,766 --> 00:46:25,700
the mountains
914
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:28,300
uh some cultures use
915
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:30,300
use uh even extreme pain
916
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:31,366
physical pain
917
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,500
then of course dancing chanting
918
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:37,933
the certain specific musical instruments like drumming
919
00:46:37,933 --> 00:46:40,466
rattles bells and so on
920
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:43,033
and of course the different spiritual practices
921
00:46:43,566 --> 00:46:47,266
and now we have powerful experiential psychotherapies
922
00:46:47,266 --> 00:46:48,566
the the rebirthing
923
00:46:48,566 --> 00:46:49,800
primotherapy
924
00:46:50,266 --> 00:46:52,000
uh the breath where they all
925
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,166
all can induce these non ordinary states
926
00:46:57,700 --> 00:46:58,833
why is it that
927
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,833
Native Americans are able to use peyote legally
928
00:47:05,066 --> 00:47:09,033
and yet the larger white culture is unable to take
929
00:47:09,533 --> 00:47:11,233
was unable to develop a format
930
00:47:11,766 --> 00:47:14,366
was unable to develop in religion in in
931
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:17,766
psychiatry or medicine or
932
00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:21,166
recreationally or in any other way
933
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,433
when you look at the peyote experience
934
00:47:26,066 --> 00:47:26,866
it's a church
935
00:47:26,866 --> 00:47:27,933
it's a religion
936
00:47:27,933 --> 00:47:29,366
it's also healing
937
00:47:29,366 --> 00:47:33,366
it helps them with actual medicine and for example
938
00:47:33,366 --> 00:47:37,066
treatment of alcoholism and it's also psychotherapeutic
939
00:47:38,333 --> 00:47:40,200
it's an integrated experience
940
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,833
the real legitimate use is spiritual practice
941
00:47:47,366 --> 00:47:49,600
if you really look carefully
942
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,466
at what these substances are
943
00:47:51,666 --> 00:47:54,866
that is really the place where they should be developed
944
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,766
it should not be in the hands of doctors
945
00:47:57,966 --> 00:48:00,366
the doctors don't really understand
946
00:48:00,366 --> 00:48:01,300
some of them may
947
00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:04,500
may think that it will work out well for therapy
948
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:05,866
but I think
949
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:08,700
they're far more psychiatrist threatened by it
950
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:10,066
than there are those
951
00:48:10,066 --> 00:48:13,166
who recognize it as a valuable tool
952
00:48:14,966 --> 00:48:18,066
I I suspect um
953
00:48:18,066 --> 00:48:24,800
the the best thing we can do would be to um a um
954
00:48:26,133 --> 00:48:29,900
would be a ritualize ritualize this
955
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:39,266
we should have a kind of medication centers where
956
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,100
there would be the right conditions
957
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:47,000
the right dosages all these uh
958
00:48:47,333 --> 00:48:52,766
factors which will must be known are fulfilled
959
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,100
we do wanna expand our consciousness
960
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:14,233
we alter our consciousness all the time
961
00:49:15,066 --> 00:49:18,266
we cycle to waking and dreaming and sleeping
962
00:49:18,766 --> 00:49:21,466
it's natural consciousness naturally varies
963
00:49:22,466 --> 00:49:24,700
I mean I took a consciousness expanding drug this
964
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:27,866
morning I had a cup of coffee that was a cycle active
965
00:49:27,866 --> 00:49:30,800
I got my brain going probably most people do that
966
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:45,333
we interact with psychoactive
967
00:49:45,333 --> 00:49:47,666
substances and plants all the time
968
00:49:47,966 --> 00:49:52,266
um and the the point is to do it in a conscious way
969
00:49:52,266 --> 00:49:53,466
in a discriminating way
970
00:49:53,466 --> 00:49:55,566
in a purpose of way to choose it
971
00:49:59,066 --> 00:49:59,966
LSD
972
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:08,233
it's got me to see my stroke in a different way
973
00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:10,800
and
974
00:50:12,666 --> 00:50:13,466
ah
975
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:26,966
and I can I can be happy with my life and people
976
00:50:26,966 --> 00:50:29,166
oh my goodness
977
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:33,166
getting happy about a stroke
978
00:50:34,966 --> 00:50:36,566
that's LSD
979
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,066
there are still people who are violently opposed
980
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,100
to psychedelics
981
00:50:47,666 --> 00:50:50,266
very few of them have ever tried psychedelics
982
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:57,200
and 99% of the opposition to them comes from
983
00:50:57,533 --> 00:51:00,266
people who are completely ignorant of their effects
984
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:09,400
whether it will change remarkably in the next while
985
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:10,966
it's hard to say
986
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,766
some things take years and years and years
987
00:51:16,766 --> 00:51:19,800
as a finally finds the right solution
988
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:24,066
and I am convinced Ellis Davis finds
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