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[MAN] There it is.
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[NARRATOR] It's been called
the Roswell of
northern New Mexico
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A small town said to be
harboring one of the darkest,
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most disturbing secrets in
UFO history.
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An alien underground facility.
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Bizarre genetic experiments.
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Egg-shaped UFOs.
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Does this space really exist?
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[GERI] There's a hole on the
other side of that
Archuleta mountain.
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[NARRATOR] Has our government
known all along? Did they
help build it?
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[LAURA] The old saying is
an underground base.
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[Narrator] Ben Hansen
is on a mission to find out.
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[BEN] You see the top of the
ridge is, like, spilling out
like heat!
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I'm Ben Hansen,
former federal agent.
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My grandfather worked
at a highly classified
Air Force base
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and convinced me we are
not alone in the universe.
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Then I had my own encounter
that changed my life forever.
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Welcome to UFO country.
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Now I've gained access to a
top secret archive from
Project Blue Book.
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[WOMAN] This planet
has been under surveillance
for centuries.
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[Ben] containing reports
of over ten thousand
UFO sightings
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investigated by the
U. S. Government.
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We could very well be standing
on the exact place where
a UFO crashed.
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My mission is
to uncover the truth.
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[eerie sound]
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[Ben] I'm in a remote area
of northern New Mexico,
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following up on a wave
of UFO sightings.
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When it comes to UFOs,
New Mexico is best known for
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one incident in particular:
Roswell, 1947.
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But that infamous case
is just the beginning,
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when it comes to UFO activity
in this region.
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Since then, there's been
abductions, cattle mutilations
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even stories of
human experimentation.
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I've heard rumors that the
Government has had
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a hand in these incidents.
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Before I came out here,
I spoke with Laura Eisenhower,
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the great granddaughter of
President Dwight D Eisenhower,
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and what she told me about
alien activity on our planet
was mind-blowing.
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-[BEN] Hey, Laura.
-[LAURA] Hey, Ben.
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[BEN] I'm on my way to
Dulce, New Mexico
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to follow up on a recent UFO
sighting, and I was told that
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the locals, a lot of them
believe in this idea that,
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there is an underground alien
base in cooperation
with humans,
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the military there.
Do you think
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there's any truth to the idea
of an underground base?
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[LAURA] Ah, Dulce, ah, is an
underground base.
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There's a lot of sightings
that people have experienced,
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and they really do back up the
claims.
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[BEN] Do you feel that these
underground bases might be
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related to these treaties that
your great-grandfather
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allegedly took place in,
with extraterrestrials?
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[LAURA] Yes.
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[NARRATOR] Laura believes, her
great-grandfather,
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President Eisenhower,
entered into a treaty
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with an alien race known as
the Grays.
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[BEN] One of the theories is
that we would exchange
technology.
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They would give us
their information on how to
advance our technology,
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in trade for allowing them
to do experimentation.
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[LAURA] Ah, yes.
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[BEN] We talk about the
extraterrestrials
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coming from space, and
having a particular interest
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in maybe a town,
maybe a military base,
and that could be true.
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But could it also
be true there's an increase
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in activity because they're
already here? And that
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they're underground, and
they're actually coming out?
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[LAURA] Yes, they've been here
a really long time.
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What are their intentions,
you know,
is something to ponder.
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And there's a lot to uncover.
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I'm absolutely convinced it
exists, and I'll be interested
to hear
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what you have to
share when you get back.
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[NARRATOR] The people of Dulce
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and the surrounding Jicarilla
Apache Nation reservation,
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have been witnessing
strange UFOs for decades.
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But recently, one man
claims to have captured
photographic proof.
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Ben is on his way
to meet him now.
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Could this be evidence
of underground alien bases?
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They discovered a photo
which an amateur photographer
took, named Dory Vigil.
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Dory was, um, taking pictures
of a flat-top mountain named
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the Archuleta Mesa, and I
want to know if the photo
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might have anything to do
with these reports of a base.
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[BEN] Hey, Dory.
[DORY] How you doing?
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[BEN] Good. Ben.
Nice to meet you!
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[NARRATOR] Dory, a longtime
Dulce resident,
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grew up hearing all sorts of
whispers about Archuleta Mesa.
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But in 2015, all those rumors
would become shockingly real.
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BEN: So, what were you doing
that day?
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[NARRATOR] Late one afternoon,
Dory was helping a friend
trim trees.
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On his way home,
he pulled over
to take some photos.
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[Dory] That day, I was over
here, on top of
this other hill.
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[DORY] I had a new camera
and I was trying to
take the pictures.
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I took a picture
at the football field
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I took a picture
at the church.
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All of a sudden,
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there was this little black
thing in the skies.
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-[BEN] So, do you
to have that photo?
-[DORY] Yeah
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[BEN] I can see
there's that dip,
DORY: Yes.
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BEN: I can see now. So with
this perspective though,
that actually looks
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pretty close to you.
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Dory wasn't the only
one who saw the strange flying
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object that evening.
Other witnesses recalled an
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even stranger detail.
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[DORY] There's other people
around town that says
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they seen the same UFO coming
from the Mesa.
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[BEN] From the Archuleta Mesa?
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[DORY] There is about, maybe,
five accounts
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saying that the, er,
it opened up.
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[BEN] Opened up?
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And a light came out
or whatever or something,
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and then they said, there's
stuff that went in out,
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-and then it closed
up and everything.
-[BEN laughs]
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[NARRATOR] Could the rumors
be true?
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Could the Archuleta Mesa be
hiding one of the underground
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bases allegedly built under
Native American reservations?
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[BEN] From rumors, the
stories of the people in town,
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How long has this been
going on?
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According to all the
stories from the history,
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from Grandma to present,
they told me that when they
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were small, they used to see
the spacecraft and everything.
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[NARRATOR] If the Eisenhower
Treaty was signed
seventy years ago,
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it would explain why these
rumors have been around
for so long.
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So we're talking at least,
maybe, one hundred years
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-or more?
-Yes.
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[NARRATOR] Ben's eager to
investigate the Archuleta Mesa
for himself.
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But access
will be a challenge.
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[BEN] So, if I want to go
visit any part of the Mesa,
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or up in this area,
what would I need to do?
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[Dory speaking]
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[NARRATOR] Ben heads to the
Jicarilla Apache Nation to
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plead his case. If he can't
get permission to
access the land,
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his investigation is over
before it's really started.
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I'm on my way to meet
with some of the elders
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of the Jicarilla Apache
Nation, to get
their permission
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to move freely about the
reservation, to talk to some
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of the UFO witnesses,
hear their experiences.
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It's a matter of respect, and
I need that permission
from them.
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[NARRATOR] The tribe has
turned down requests
from dozens
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of UFO investigators.
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You'll have to turn the
camera off now.
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[NARRATOR] After several
hours, Ben re-emerges
with good news.
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He has secured unprecedented
access, provided he works with
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a local resident and former
detective, Avery Tafoya.
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[BEN] Thank you for
taking your time
to go with me,
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because as an outsider, I know
that this is
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-kind of a sensitive issue.
-[AVERY] Oh, you're welcome.
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[BEN] I have always
wanted to come to
this part of New Mexico
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because, this gentlemen,
Dory was telling me,
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people are watching things
silently going in and out.
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Is that true?
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Yes. Uh, people in
the community
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have been seeing flying
saucers, UFOs...
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Where do they think
that these UFOs come from?
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Well, it's rumored that
they're probably
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-coming out of the base.
-So you've heard that, too?
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[AVERY] Yeah.
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[NARRATOR] The secret alien
underground base was allegedly
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built in the fifties, after
Eisenhower drew up a treaty
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with the alien entities. A UFO
lore has it, that
in the 1970s,
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a government security guard
from Archuleta's
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underground base
came forward to expose
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all the horrifying secrets
hidden in the mountain.
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His account became known
as The Dulce Papers.
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This long sought after report
has eluded UFO researchers
for decades.
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But, incredibly, Avery
claims to know all about it.
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So have you looked through
The Dulce Papersyourself?
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Yes, I have. I've flipped
through The Dulce Papers.
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[NARRATOR] Until now,
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Ben had only rumors to go on,
but now he's found someone
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that actually has seen
the papers.
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-Really?
-Yeah. It's a while back.
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I used to work with the police
department.
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We were in our squad room
drinking coffee,
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-night shift.
-Uh-huh.
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And there was a cabinet
in that coffee room,
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so we kind looked through it
and checked,
and we actually found a copy
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of The Dulce Papers
in there.
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-Yeah.
-Like in a case file?
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Yeah, it wasn't labeled.
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I do have a copy, if you'd
like to see 'em?
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I would love to take a
look at that.
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It seems the tribal
police
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kept their own copy of the
entire report. Ben can't
believe what he's seeing.
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The allegations
are horrifying.
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The paper describes a seven
level deep laboratory run by
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humans, and alien Grays.
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They depict twisted genetic
experiments, aimed at
producing
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hybrid organisms.
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[BEN] Wow!
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This is like a vat of, you
know, aliens inside of them,
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like, it looks like growing
them or preserving them,
right?
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And detailed sketches...
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Very interesting. So, this
researcher writes genetic
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acceleration, period of
gestation, three to
five months.
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There's some strange symbols
here.
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It "computerized wall
and computerized tanks."
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Interesting.
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[NARRATOR] This is an
incredible account,
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but Ben needs more evidence.
[Stacks paper on table]
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[BEN] Is there anyone else
around town, or other stories
that you've heard,
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that kind of
corroborate, you know,
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that there is
an underground base?
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Yes. There's a woman
named, uh, Myrna Hansen.
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[NARRATOR] A twenty-eight year
old bank teller, Myrna,
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and her son, Shawn,
were driving home
to Eagle's Nest,
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just three hours from
Dulce.
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What followed would change
their lives forever.
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Coming Up. Ben hears the
incredible story of a woman
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and her son, who say they were
abducted by Grays,
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and taken to an
underground base.
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Ben Hansen is investigating
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reports of a hidden
human-alien research
laboratory
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conducting genetic research
near Dulce, New Mexico.
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In 1980, a woman named
Myrna Hansen
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claimed she and her son
were abducted by Grays,
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-and taken to the base
-Her and her
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six year old son, were driving
home,
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and they observed some
flying saucers in the sky.
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The next thing she remembers
after that was
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her and her son
were in their car,
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and had no gas,
and it wasn't running.
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[NARRATOR] On 5th May 1980,
sitting just outside the town
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of Dulce, she realized
she'd lost a full six hours.
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Does she recall anything
of what happened in the
missing time?
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After time, she didn't,
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but she had gone back to
do some regression hypnotism.
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During the time that she did
that, she found out
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what had happened.
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They were taken to an
underground base.
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-Really?
-Yes.
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[NARRATOR] Myrna saw what
appeared to be a complex lab.
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She was subjected to painful
experiments,
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[scream]
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and feared she wouldn't leave
alive.
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[AVERY] Apparently, after they
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were through with examinations
and procedures,
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they took Myrna and her son
into another room.
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She described seeing,
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big vats of liquid with, er,
body parts in it,
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and she was not sure
if they were human or animal.
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NARRATOR: Myrna Hanson also
claimed she saw the aliens
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conduct bizarre and painful
experiments on cattle.
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And then, she and her son's
memories were erased.
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They were subject to,
er, flashes of bright lights.
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Apparently, the bright lights
wiped their memory
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of the abduction.
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Wow, okay. Seems like
hypnosis helped.
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Yes.
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Do you think there's a
possibility that
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there is an extraterrestrial
base underneath Dulce?
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I do.
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[BEN] Avery agrees to
introduce me
to another witness
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who claims she had
an encounter
with the Dulce aliens.
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On the way, he describes
more rumors of
the underground base.
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[AVERY] I've heard the people
that live up on this side of
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the hill, that at times it
sounds like they can hear
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-machinery.
-[BEN] Really?
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But, there's no
machinery out
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-so they thinking it's
underground.
-[BEN] Wow!
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[AVERY] Quite a few stories
from this area from
the farmers.
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[BEN] Maybe, maybe right over
there against the mountain,
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something that's inside there.
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Based on what Avery has told
me, there are a lot
of eyewitnesses in Dulce.
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We're on our way
to meet Geri Julian,
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the Jicarilla Elder, who lives
on the outskirts of town.
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-[AVERY] Her husband, Larry,
-[BEN] Uh-huh.
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[AVERY] they used to stay
down here a lot.
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Watch their cattle, so a lot
of times they would
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just sit outside,
and that's when they started
seeing stuff.
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[Everyone greets each other]
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-I'm Ben.
-[GERI] Oh, okay.
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Nice to meet ya,
Ya must be Geri.
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GERI: Yes.
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[BEN] So, um, Avery has been
telling me here
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that you have had some
incredible experiences
out here,
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-here at your property.
-[GERI] Mmhmm.
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-Guess you keep cattle here?
-Mmm mm.
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I wanted to kind of
hear what's been going on.
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[NARRATOR] Geri claims to have
had her first encounter
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with the Dulce aliens
in 1986.
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[GERI] A couple years ago,
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we were working up over there
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at Archuleta mountain,
that way.
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When we park over there,
me and my husband,
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he brought me
a little old...
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[BEN] Why don't you
have a seat?
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-One of those cooks.
-Okay.
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[GERI] We just sat at the
end gate,
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and then all of a sudden,
from there, we saw,
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like, something coming down
off of Archuleta mountain,
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going towards the road,
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something white. On top,
It was huge!
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[NARRATOR] An egg shaped craft
similar to what her fellow
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tribal member, Dory saw,
was getting closer.
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[GERI] My husband, he looked
at it and then he tells me,
right away
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he said,"Get in the truck!"
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And then I "I want to see
it too."
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He said,
"No. Get in the truck!"
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So I put the end gate back up,
and then I got in the truck.
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-And then,
the truck won't start.
-[BEN] Really?
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[NARRATOR] As Geri's husband
struggles
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to get the truck started,
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the couple suddenly notices
figures approaching.
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[GERI] Two small people
started climbing down.
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[NARRATOR] Finally!
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[GERI] That's when
we took off.
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[NARRATOR] Although
Geri didn't get a close look,
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she saw the figures go back to
their egg shaped UFO,
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and fly back towards the
mountain.
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Wow! Wow!
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And, it went back on top
of Archuleta mountain
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to where the... the hole is.
That way.
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The hole? What's the hole?
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There's a hole on the other
side of that
Archuleta mountain.
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It's got a hole?
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Or, do you mean that it's
actually open?
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They made it. Whoever it
is, they made it.
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Wow!
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[NARRATOR] But this is not the
end of Geri's story.
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That night the beings came
back, and this time
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-she saw them up close.
-[GERI] At my house,
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at night, I woke up while it
was dark in my room.
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There were two small people
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that were trying to pull me
off the bed, and I
couldn't scream.
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So I was holding onto the
mattress, down here,
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and they were trying to pull
me off.
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They're the star-people.
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[NARRATOR] Ben Hansen is in
Dulce, New Mexico
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on a mission to dig up the
Archuletta Mesa's
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darkest secrets
Is this tabletop mountain
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hiding a jointly operated
human-alien
genetic research lab?
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Jicarilla Apache Elder, Geri
Julian describes
her close-encounter
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with what she
believes were aliens
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from inside the mountain.
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Two small people, they
were trying to pull me off
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the bed and I couldn't scream.
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And she has a specific name
for her would-be abductors.
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The Star-people.
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I was holding onto the
mattress, down here,
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and they were trying to
pull me off,
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and then my husband, like,
moved, and then
they let me go.
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Wow!
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[GERI] And then all day, the
next day,
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I couldn't get it off my mind.
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What if they come again
tonight?
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What if they really take me?
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They're... they're
the star-people.
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So, is that what you
believe? Is that they're
extraterrestrial?
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Mmm-hmm
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[BEN] Well, Geri, thank you so
much for your time,
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and agreeing to meet with us.
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And some of your experiences
sound quite frightening
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but it matches up with a lot
of what other people
are telling me,
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so I wanted to
thank you for your time.
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Mm-hmm
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[BEN] Everybody in town has
some sort of story
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that they've seen something
here or they know somebody.
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UFO craft coming and going
in the mountain.
I believe Dory.
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I believe that he didn't hoax
this photo.
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What it is, is still
unidentified.
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It's, it's a true UFO, and
does it support
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some of the other stories
of people in town?
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Yeah! They've been witnessing
strange objects like this
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for many, many years.
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I really had no idea there
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was so much activity to report
in this part of New Mexico.
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[NARRATOR] To find out what's
really hiding in New Mexico,
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Ben will need to dig further
Into the past.
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He's been granted special
access to the top secret
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archives of Dr J. Allen Hynek,
lead investigator for the
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Air Force's Project Blue Book
program.
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It was Blue Book's mission to
explain away
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strange UFO phenomenon,
but Dr Hynek soon realized
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some of these strange
sightings could not
be debunked.
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I'm in Kalamazoo, Michigan,
going to the CUFOS Library.
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I want to get to the bottom
of whether the Archuleta Mesa
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is housing
an underground base.
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-Hey, Ben.
-Hey, Mark
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[Ben] And UFO historian, Mark
O'Connell has agreed to help.
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So, everyone knows that New
Mexico is a hot spot
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for UFO activity, right?
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I've been researching rumors
of a jointly operated human
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and alien underground base
in Dulce, New Mexico.
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It's a facility where,
allegedly,
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our government allows aliens
to experiment on humans
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in return for their advanced
technology.
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There have been reports of egg
shaped UFOs flying
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in and out of the mountain,
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and I've spoken to one
witness who says
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she was nearly abducted.
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Historically, have there been
any other sightings
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in that area?
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[MARK] The big one would be
the Socorro case.
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It involved a traffic cop
who saw a strange object
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and watched it blast off
into the sky.
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So we have a couple
of tapes here.
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The first one is an interview
with the traffic cop,
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Lonnie Zamora, the man who saw
the UFO.
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Let's have a listen to it.
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[tape-recorder clicks]
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[Voice of Lonnie Zamora plays
on the recorder]
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[Narrator] But when Zamora
arrived on the scene,
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he didn't find
an exploded shack.
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Instead, he saw something
he couldn't fathom.
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[ NARRATOR] Zamora's first
instinct was to go
to their aid.
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[BEN] You know what I love
about this story?
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He's giving details that
are very pertinent,
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that don't fit that typical
UFO sighting.
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It's egg-shaped, and
these men or creatures
in white coveralls, right?
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It's unlike any other case
that I've really heard,
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and then the flame. So it's
like white.
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If you're to make up a story,
you know, to get people to
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believe you, why wouldn't you
just make up your typical
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okay-here's-my-UFO-encounter
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and leave it at that?
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Especially when you
consider he immediately
called in for backup.
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If he was makin this up
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there's no way he's calling
for backup.
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No, he wanted to let people
know I'm not crazy, right?
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Someone else
has got to see this.
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[MARK] You should listen to
this tape as well.
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This is Dr Hynek, talking
about the Socorro case.
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[VOICE OF DR. HYNEK PLAYS
ON THE RECORDER]
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[BEN] So, it has the Dr Hynek
stamp of approval, right?
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[MARK laughs] Very much so.
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He doesn't come out very
often and say I'm puzzled.
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I can't figure this one out.
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This was one of Hynek's
favorite cases,
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if not his absolute favorite,
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and he really got into
conflict with the Air Force
in this one.
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The government's
explanation not only
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upset Hynek, but it defied
common sense.
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[MARK] Here's the official
Project Blue Book
conclusion of the case.
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They say it was
unexplained,
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but most likely a prototype
NASA Lunar Lander.
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I don't wanna buy that.
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00:25:06,344 --> 00:25:08,000
It doesn't make a whole
lot of sense.
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[NARRATOR] Has the government
been covering up the truth
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behind the Archuleta Mesa?
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Did Lonnie Zamora witness
one of the egg shaped crafts
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coming from the underground
base?
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-And like Geri,
-[GERI] I couldn't scream!
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[NARRATOR] did he narrowly
escape abduction?
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[MAN] There it is.
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[NARRATOR] Ben's investigation
into the secret UFO base
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at Archuleta Mesa has revealed
another unexplained mystery
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00:25:33,344 --> 00:25:35,379
in New Mexico's past.
The Socorro case,
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in which patrolman,
Lonnie Zamora
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swore he saw an egg-shaped
spacecraft
448
00:25:40,655 --> 00:25:42,448
manned by two small beings.
449
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Incredibly, the government
claimed what Zamora saw
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was simply a Lunar Lander.
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-[BEN] So this was 1964 right?
I mean...
-[MARK] Yeah
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I can't be certain, but I'm
going to guess
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there's no confirmed
documentation
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that we were testing the Lunar
module in Socorro,
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which is a small town in
New Mexico.
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They would have no business
doing out there in the desert.
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There's a reason
why this case
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was Dr Hynek's favorite.
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There was evidence
that something
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significant had happened.
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Hynek didn't get to the bottom
of it, but it's
worth exploring
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[BEN] Well, if Hynek thought
it was intriguing
463
00:26:23,310 --> 00:26:26,344
and something didn't smell
right, that's enough for me.
464
00:26:26,379 --> 00:26:28,241
I want to go
check it for
myself.
465
00:26:28,275 --> 00:26:30,931
[NARRATOR] Not only was Lonnie
Zamora deemed by Hynek to
466
00:26:30,965 --> 00:26:33,931
be a highly credible witness,
his encounter happened
467
00:26:33,965 --> 00:26:36,724
just south of the region where
Dory Vigil snapped his
468
00:26:36,758 --> 00:26:40,275
photo of an egg-shaped object
streaking across the sky.
469
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:43,620
Is it possible that spacecraft
based inside the Archuleta
470
00:26:43,655 --> 00:26:47,103
Mesa have been flying through
New Mexico skies for decades?
471
00:26:49,137 --> 00:26:52,689
Ben is heading back
to New Mexico to find out.
472
00:26:52,724 --> 00:26:56,275
[Ben] I'm in Socorro,
New Mexico
um, checking out this 1964
473
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:59,689
case that was very unique.
474
00:26:59,724 --> 00:27:03,448
[Narrator] Socorro was
a small, remote town
in central New Mexico.
475
00:27:03,482 --> 00:27:06,344
It has a population of just
over eight thousand people,
476
00:27:06,379 --> 00:27:10,517
and it's surrounded by desert
in every direction, for miles.
477
00:27:10,551 --> 00:27:12,413
[BEN] So I'm going
to talk with
Ben Moss.
478
00:27:12,448 --> 00:27:16,655
He's a UFO researcher who's
been kind of passed the torch
479
00:27:16,689 --> 00:27:19,310
from the original investigator
so he knows all about it.
480
00:27:19,344 --> 00:27:20,965
He's going to tell me how
this case fits
481
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,275
into the big mystery,
which is
482
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:25,103
what exactly did Zamora see?
483
00:27:25,137 --> 00:27:27,965
And has it returned to this
region?
484
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,758
[BEN] Ben!
[BEN MOSS] Ben Hansen,
I presume?
485
00:27:30,793 --> 00:27:32,655
-Yes. Thank you for
meeting me here.
-Sure.
486
00:27:32,689 --> 00:27:33,896
It's good to
finally meet.
487
00:27:33,931 --> 00:27:35,965
Wonderful day for an
investigation.
488
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,724
[BEN] I'm excited because I've
heard so much
489
00:27:38,758 --> 00:27:40,413
about this case, the location.
490
00:27:40,448 --> 00:27:41,827
Is it close to here?
491
00:27:41,862 --> 00:27:43,758
It's right over this
berm behind us.
492
00:27:43,793 --> 00:27:45,172
-You wanna jump in?
-Sounds good
493
00:27:45,206 --> 00:27:47,310
-[BEN] go check it.
-[BEN MOSS] Alrighty.
494
00:27:47,344 --> 00:27:49,310
[NARRATOR] The Bens are headed
to the exact site
495
00:27:49,344 --> 00:27:53,137
where Zamora said the egg
shaped craft had landed.
496
00:27:53,172 --> 00:27:55,172
[BEN MOSS] So, on the right
here's the memorial,
497
00:27:55,206 --> 00:27:57,241
that city built to Lonnie
Zamora.
498
00:27:57,275 --> 00:27:58,413
Look at that!
499
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,827
When did they put that up?
500
00:28:01,862 --> 00:28:04,482
[BEN MOSS] After he died,
in 2009.
501
00:28:04,517 --> 00:28:07,000
[BEN] Which is really kind of
unusual
502
00:28:07,034 --> 00:28:09,413
that any government agency,
you know,
503
00:28:09,448 --> 00:28:11,310
recognizes a UFO sighting.
504
00:28:11,344 --> 00:28:12,344
Definitely,
definitely.
505
00:28:12,379 --> 00:28:14,586
And Lonnie was a very
respective citizen.
506
00:28:15,620 --> 00:28:18,931
Surprisingly, this hasn't
changed since 1964.
507
00:28:18,965 --> 00:28:20,896
-[BEN] Right here?
Let's do it
-[BEN MOSS] Yup
508
00:28:20,931 --> 00:28:24,724
[Narrator] When Blue Book
investigators arrived on scene
56 years ago,
509
00:28:24,758 --> 00:28:27,034
they placed stones around
the impressions
510
00:28:27,068 --> 00:28:30,000
left by the spacecraft's
four landing pads.
511
00:28:30,034 --> 00:28:32,689
Decades later, those hollows
have filled in,
512
00:28:32,724 --> 00:28:35,310
But the rocks remain,
marking the exact position
513
00:28:35,344 --> 00:28:37,172
of the UFOs landing.
514
00:28:37,206 --> 00:28:38,068
[BEN MOSS] Here we are
515
00:28:40,931 --> 00:28:42,862
[BEN] They've got a measuring
tape here.
516
00:28:42,896 --> 00:28:45,758
I'm curious how far apart
these would be.
517
00:28:45,793 --> 00:28:49,655
So between here and there,
that in center here,
518
00:28:49,689 --> 00:28:51,206
we have thirteen feet.
519
00:28:52,551 --> 00:28:54,344
Would this be
another one?
520
00:28:54,379 --> 00:28:56,172
That would be another one.
521
00:28:56,206 --> 00:28:57,689
Okay, I got twenty feet here.
522
00:28:57,724 --> 00:29:01,206
Okay, so this is a substantial
craft.
523
00:29:01,241 --> 00:29:02,448
[BEN MOSS] Yes.
524
00:29:02,482 --> 00:29:04,586
Dr Hynek took
measurements and estimated
that the craft
525
00:29:04,620 --> 00:29:06,896
had to weigh about nine tons
to make those depressions.
526
00:29:06,931 --> 00:29:08,586
-Nine tons?
-[BEN MOSS] Nine tons!
527
00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:11,931
That's a nuts-and-bolts,
physical heavy object.
528
00:29:11,965 --> 00:29:14,965
[ BEN MOSS] That's a big,
heavy craft to have
sitting down here.
529
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,275
And I would imagine the only
way you would get something
530
00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:20,068
down here like that would be
to fly and drop it in.
531
00:29:20,551 --> 00:29:22,275
Wow! Wow!
532
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:24,758
[BEN MOSS] When you cross
section this, the plane came
533
00:29:24,793 --> 00:29:27,482
out directly in the center of
the four landing pads.
534
00:29:27,517 --> 00:29:28,793
Looked like it surgically,
535
00:29:28,827 --> 00:29:31,724
almost like you had
taken a blowtorch and
cut this Creosite
536
00:29:31,758 --> 00:29:33,965
bush in half,
which is really hard to do
537
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,965
of these residence plants.
Requires a lot of heat.
538
00:29:37,655 --> 00:29:41,586
I have this original
photograph taken by
Blue Book at the scene.
539
00:29:41,620 --> 00:29:43,586
This is a Creosote bush
that was burnt in half.
540
00:29:43,620 --> 00:29:45,862
You can see quite clearly,
541
00:29:45,896 --> 00:29:47,862
it's almost sliced precision.
542
00:29:47,896 --> 00:29:49,241
[BEN] Oh, wow! Yeah. Yeah.
543
00:29:49,275 --> 00:29:50,586
[BEN MOSS] And,
'uh, I even said
544
00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:53,413
if you took a blowtorch you
couldn't recreate this.
545
00:29:53,448 --> 00:29:55,379
No, it'd just set the
thing on fire.
546
00:29:55,413 --> 00:29:56,379
Exactly!
547
00:29:59,068 --> 00:30:01,206
[BEN] And did anyone else
witness this?
548
00:30:01,241 --> 00:30:03,793
[BEN MOSS] Well, the cases...
gets more interesting.
549
00:30:03,827 --> 00:30:06,482
In the north direction from
here,
550
00:30:06,517 --> 00:30:08,896
there are... initially, three
witnesses independently called
551
00:30:08,931 --> 00:30:10,931
into the dispatch, saying
552
00:30:10,965 --> 00:30:14,965
I see a object with a blue
flame heading towards Socorro.
553
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,551
This testimony
doesn't just
554
00:30:16,586 --> 00:30:19,034
corroborate Zamora's account,
It suggests that
555
00:30:19,068 --> 00:30:21,862
the spacecraft
came from the exact direction
556
00:30:21,896 --> 00:30:23,034
of the Archuleta Mesa.
557
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,034
[BEN] And then other people
arrived?
558
00:30:28,068 --> 00:30:29,482
Did they take photos?
559
00:30:29,517 --> 00:30:32,241
[BEN MOSS] Another officer who
always carried a camera,
560
00:30:32,275 --> 00:30:35,586
he came and took, I believe,
about nine shots.
561
00:30:35,620 --> 00:30:37,275
Dr. Hynek later confirmed
562
00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:39,482
that the film was fogged
by radiation.
563
00:30:40,965 --> 00:30:43,862
[BEN] Yeah. A Lunar Lander
wouldn't cause radiation!
564
00:30:43,896 --> 00:30:45,517
That is...that is really odd.
565
00:30:45,551 --> 00:30:47,310
You know, I do have
566
00:30:47,344 --> 00:30:49,413
-a Geiger counter. Why don't
we grab that?
-Great!
567
00:30:49,448 --> 00:30:50,620
Let's do that.
568
00:30:50,655 --> 00:30:52,931
[NARRATOR] Radiation is
said to
be a telltale sign
569
00:30:52,965 --> 00:30:55,379
of an extraterrestrial craft.
570
00:30:55,413 --> 00:30:59,206
While most aircraft are
powered by conventional fuels,
571
00:30:59,241 --> 00:31:01,793
it's believed that alien ships
run on some sort of
572
00:31:01,827 --> 00:31:04,310
nuclear technology.
573
00:31:04,344 --> 00:31:07,482
Okay, so let's see if there's
still any radiation here.
574
00:31:07,517 --> 00:31:08,620
[Geiger counter crackling]
575
00:31:08,655 --> 00:31:10,862
I always do like to kind of
scan the area.
576
00:31:10,896 --> 00:31:12,482
[GEIGER COUNTER CONTINUES
CRACKLING]
577
00:31:15,724 --> 00:31:17,793
[Ben] Oh, wait! Wait a minute.
578
00:31:17,827 --> 00:31:19,172
Here we go. Whoa!
579
00:31:19,206 --> 00:31:20,655
We're definitely getting
something.
580
00:31:22,724 --> 00:31:26,551
Wow. Okay, so I can tell you
that radiation is quite a bit
581
00:31:26,586 --> 00:31:29,344
by far more than what I
normally find.
582
00:31:29,379 --> 00:31:32,448
You know, with top soil like
this though, I wouldn't
583
00:31:32,482 --> 00:31:35,620
expect there to be any trace
after this many years.
584
00:31:35,655 --> 00:31:37,275
But I'm definitely
getting a hit,
585
00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:39,275
and an experimental
Lunar Lander would not
586
00:31:39,310 --> 00:31:40,517
have left any radiation here.
587
00:31:41,689 --> 00:31:43,827
The levels are higher than
normal background.
588
00:31:44,724 --> 00:31:48,103
We probably could have,
in 1964,
589
00:31:48,137 --> 00:31:50,379
created a craft that weighed
nine tons,
590
00:31:50,413 --> 00:31:53,206
looked like an egg,
sits on landing gear.
591
00:31:53,241 --> 00:31:56,620
but we couldn't have
replicated how this thing
moved.
592
00:31:56,655 --> 00:31:58,344
Nor is there a
logical explanation
593
00:31:58,379 --> 00:32:00,448
for the radiation left behind.
594
00:32:00,482 --> 00:32:02,724
Lonnie Zamora claimed
after the object rose
595
00:32:02,758 --> 00:32:06,000
off the ground, it immediately
sped into the distance
596
00:32:06,034 --> 00:32:07,586
and disappeared over the
mountains,
597
00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:10,103
reaching unheard of speeds.
598
00:32:10,137 --> 00:32:13,034
[BEN] It came up using jet
propulsion system,
599
00:32:13,068 --> 00:32:16,448
lots of noise, roaring
blue flame coming out,
600
00:32:16,482 --> 00:32:20,241
and then it goes silent
and it sails off.
601
00:32:20,275 --> 00:32:21,724
We do not,
602
00:32:21,758 --> 00:32:25,620
still to this day, have such
such conventional aircraft.
603
00:32:25,655 --> 00:32:28,724
[NARRATOR] Dory, Myrna, Geri,
Zamora.
604
00:32:28,758 --> 00:32:32,793
All claimed to have seen egg
shaped UFOs in New Mexico.
605
00:32:32,827 --> 00:32:36,103
But were they all flying in
and out of an underground base
606
00:32:36,137 --> 00:32:38,620
that conducted genetic
experiments?
607
00:32:40,620 --> 00:32:43,689
-[NARRATOR] Coming up.
-[BEN] A ten year old
girl says she was burned
608
00:32:43,724 --> 00:32:46,344
while watching a strange egg
shaped thing in the sky.
609
00:32:46,379 --> 00:32:49,379
[NARRATOR] Ben is about to
uncover more UFO witnesses
610
00:32:49,413 --> 00:32:51,103
from this haunting mystery.
611
00:32:51,137 --> 00:32:54,172
[BEN] Covered in black, and
his hair is standing on end
and it's burning.
612
00:32:57,862 --> 00:32:59,137
Ben Hansen is
investigating rumors of
613
00:32:59,172 --> 00:33:02,482
egg shaped UFOs seen
flying in and out
614
00:33:02,517 --> 00:33:05,655
of an alleged underground base
in Dulce, New Mexico.
615
00:33:05,689 --> 00:33:08,551
He's come across similar
sightings in Socorro,
616
00:33:08,586 --> 00:33:10,379
250 miles south.
617
00:33:10,413 --> 00:33:14,034
The government claimed the UFO
was actually a Lunar Lander,
618
00:33:14,068 --> 00:33:15,965
but even Project Blue Book
investigator,
619
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,793
Dr Hynek had his doubts.
620
00:33:18,827 --> 00:33:22,655
Ben Hansen is visiting
the local Socorro newspaper
archives
621
00:33:22,689 --> 00:33:24,758
to see if there are
any more clues about
622
00:33:24,793 --> 00:33:26,586
Zamora's strange encounter.
623
00:33:26,620 --> 00:33:28,413
[BEN MOSS] We're here to look
at the archives
624
00:33:28,448 --> 00:33:29,448
We called earlier.
625
00:33:29,482 --> 00:33:31,000
[RECEPTIONIST] You can
go right ahead
626
00:33:31,034 --> 00:33:33,068
-[BEN MOSS] I appreciate it.
Thanks.
-[BEN] Okay.
627
00:33:33,103 --> 00:33:35,931
[NARRATOR] While Ben Moss
reviews copies
of the local paper,
628
00:33:35,965 --> 00:33:39,896
Ben Hansen searches for
articles from other
New Mexico towns.
629
00:33:39,931 --> 00:33:42,068
[BEN MOSS] Find some goodies?
630
00:33:42,103 --> 00:33:43,620
[BEN] Yeah, yeah!
It looks like it.
631
00:33:43,655 --> 00:33:46,931
Let's check this out.
So what do you got there?
632
00:33:46,965 --> 00:33:50,655
I've got this 1964
El Defensor news articles.
633
00:33:50,689 --> 00:33:53,206
[BEN] So it came out, what,
couple of days after...
634
00:33:53,241 --> 00:33:55,413
[BEN MOSS] So were looking for
28th April.
635
00:33:57,103 --> 00:33:59,379
-[BEN MOSS] Bingo.
Young Dr Hynek.
-[BEN] Oh, yeah.
636
00:33:59,413 --> 00:34:00,551
He's wearing
a bolo tie,
637
00:34:00,586 --> 00:34:03,689
to kinda... kind of fit in
with the, uh, locals here.
638
00:34:03,724 --> 00:34:07,655
"Dr Hynek feels Zamora's
account solid, not a hoax."
639
00:34:07,689 --> 00:34:09,827
NARRATOR: This article, dated
just a few days after
640
00:34:09,862 --> 00:34:11,034
the Zamora incident,
641
00:34:11,068 --> 00:34:14,172
proves Hynek didn't buy
the Lunar Lander cover-up.
642
00:34:14,206 --> 00:34:17,482
He believes Zamora
saw something otherworldly.
643
00:34:17,517 --> 00:34:19,275
[BEN MOSS] That's a big
recommendation
644
00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:20,482
from BlueBook investigator.
645
00:34:20,517 --> 00:34:22,793
[NARRATOR] But Lonnie Zamora
wasn't the only person
646
00:34:22,827 --> 00:34:26,206
who claims to have seen a UFO
back in 1964.
647
00:34:26,241 --> 00:34:28,275
Found some other things in
here
648
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:30,931
that wasn't just on this case.
649
00:34:30,965 --> 00:34:33,655
Here's one, um, talking about
people
650
00:34:33,689 --> 00:34:36,413
reporting, seeing something,
landing north of Espanola.
651
00:34:36,448 --> 00:34:37,655
Look at this.
652
00:34:37,689 --> 00:34:40,689
A boy set afire by a blob.
653
00:34:40,724 --> 00:34:43,310
His grandmother was inside,
and she heard a weird sound
654
00:34:43,344 --> 00:34:46,068
like something whizzing by
really fast. She looked around
655
00:34:46,103 --> 00:34:49,689
and he's covered in black, and
his hair is standing on end
and it's burning.
656
00:34:49,724 --> 00:34:52,206
[NARRATOR] Whatever Zamora
saw, it seems he wasn't
657
00:34:52,241 --> 00:34:54,448
-it's only target.
-[BEN MOSS] Well...
658
00:34:54,482 --> 00:34:57,827
BEN: And he talks about a...
an object
659
00:34:57,862 --> 00:34:59,655
that looked like a top
that came down
660
00:34:59,689 --> 00:35:02,931
and basically hovered over him
and shot flames out.
661
00:35:02,965 --> 00:35:03,896
-Sound familiar?
-Oh.
662
00:35:04,413 --> 00:35:05,586
Flames?
663
00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:08,068
Look at that!
There's another one.
664
00:35:08,103 --> 00:35:10,379
A ten-year-old girl says she
was burned while watching
665
00:35:10,413 --> 00:35:13,586
a strange egg-shaped thing in
the sky yesterday afternoon.
666
00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:16,689
This happens, um, in Hobbs,
667
00:35:16,724 --> 00:35:20,103
which I think is
over by Roswell right?
668
00:35:20,137 --> 00:35:22,931
What we have evidence of is
it's not just here in Socorro
669
00:35:22,965 --> 00:35:27,172
So many towns would be lit up
with sightings that are
670
00:35:27,206 --> 00:35:29,620
quite frightening.
This thing was everywhere.
671
00:35:30,896 --> 00:35:33,586
I uncovered something
that was not very well-known,
672
00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:38,206
and that was two cases
where UFOs allegedly came
673
00:35:38,241 --> 00:35:42,206
so close to children that
it caused physical harm.
674
00:35:42,241 --> 00:35:43,896
you know. What is going on?
675
00:35:43,931 --> 00:35:46,586
I want to know if there's
any truth
676
00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:48,103
to the rumors around Dulce.
677
00:35:48,137 --> 00:35:51,172
Is it possible there's a
secret alien base?
678
00:35:55,275 --> 00:35:58,241
[NARRATOR] Myrna Hanson
continues to be
the only eyewitness
679
00:35:58,275 --> 00:36:00,413
who has set foot
inside the base.
680
00:36:00,448 --> 00:36:04,758
So, Ben does a deep dive into
the background of her account.
681
00:36:04,793 --> 00:36:08,448
What's interesting is that
all the records from Myrna
682
00:36:08,482 --> 00:36:10,689
were destroyed, ironically,
683
00:36:10,724 --> 00:36:14,965
but I did discover one person
who was key to this,
who reviewed the
684
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,448
regression hypnosis
of Myrna Hanson
685
00:36:16,482 --> 00:36:18,931
and his name is Paul Benowitz.
686
00:36:18,965 --> 00:36:20,793
Paul is a key figure to this.
687
00:36:20,827 --> 00:36:26,241
He was convinced that Myrna
did find evidence of
an underground base
688
00:36:26,275 --> 00:36:30,793
there at the Mesa.
In his papers,
he's quoted as saying,
689
00:36:30,827 --> 00:36:34,000
"Their base is on the west
slope of Mt. Archuleta.
690
00:36:34,034 --> 00:36:38,241
The base extends north
of this peak to the edge
of the cliff.
691
00:36:38,275 --> 00:36:41,655
I would guess it is
an underground
launch egress facility.
692
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:44,517
They are not to be trusted.
693
00:36:44,551 --> 00:36:49,931
They must be stopped and
have to get off before we find
time has run out."
694
00:36:49,965 --> 00:36:53,827
He was absolutely entrenched
in the information coming
to him.
695
00:36:53,862 --> 00:36:59,517
But, the thing was, he was
the subject of an Air Force
disinformation campaign.
696
00:36:59,551 --> 00:37:03,206
We know that. I talked
to one of the officers who
was involved in it.
697
00:37:03,241 --> 00:37:08,241
We knew it was not from
this Earth extraterrestrial.
698
00:37:08,275 --> 00:37:12,758
Those particular sightings, we
had to disinform the public.
699
00:37:12,793 --> 00:37:16,310
Before he died in 2003,
he was convinced
700
00:37:16,344 --> 00:37:18,827
there was an underground base
underneath Archuleta Mesa.
701
00:37:18,862 --> 00:37:23,241
Geri, Dory, Avery.
They're all taking a path
702
00:37:23,275 --> 00:37:26,172
walked by Benowitz and Zamora
decades ago.
703
00:37:26,206 --> 00:37:29,655
I'm headed back to
Archuleta Mesa to figure out
where that path ends
704
00:37:29,689 --> 00:37:31,689
and maybe,
the entrance to that base.
705
00:37:31,724 --> 00:37:36,379
There's a hole on
the other side
of the Archuleta mountain.
706
00:37:36,413 --> 00:37:38,068
You got a hole?
Do you mean that it's
707
00:37:38,103 --> 00:37:40,241
-actually open?
-They made it!
708
00:37:40,275 --> 00:37:42,551
-Whoever it is, they made it!
709
00:37:48,206 --> 00:37:50,000
[Narrator] Ben's investigation
has him convinced
710
00:37:50,034 --> 00:37:53,310
There's something very strange
happening around
the town of Dulce
711
00:37:53,344 --> 00:37:55,551
and the Archuleta Mesa.
712
00:37:55,586 --> 00:37:58,655
But is it really possible
that there could be
an underground base
713
00:37:58,689 --> 00:38:00,172
within the mountain?
714
00:38:00,206 --> 00:38:04,000
Ben has enlisted the help of
Jicarilla Apache tribe member,
715
00:38:04,034 --> 00:38:06,931
Avery Tafoya,
to see for himself.
716
00:38:06,965 --> 00:38:12,103
[Ben] This has got to be
some of the most difficult
terrain I've ever travelled,
717
00:38:12,137 --> 00:38:15,965
four-wheeling.
I'm getting a run on it,
so hold onto your hats.
718
00:38:20,551 --> 00:38:21,793
[engine stalling]
719
00:38:23,655 --> 00:38:27,827
[Ben] We have drone.
We've got thermal and
I want to start hiking,
720
00:38:27,862 --> 00:38:30,000
Um, just at least
to the base here.
721
00:38:31,586 --> 00:38:33,448
I know a lot of people
talked about evidence
722
00:38:33,482 --> 00:38:35,724
that something is built
underground.
723
00:38:35,758 --> 00:38:37,000
Why don't we put
up the drone?
724
00:38:40,413 --> 00:38:42,241
[drone whizzing]
725
00:38:45,655 --> 00:38:50,068
Well, this is just really cool
to be up around here
and looking around, umm.
726
00:38:50,103 --> 00:38:53,034
We should see the radio towers
here in just a second way.
727
00:38:53,068 --> 00:38:55,931
There we go. Okay, so here's-
Here's our radio towers.
728
00:38:55,965 --> 00:39:00,620
[Narrator] On top of
the mountain is the Jicarilla
Apache owned radio towers.
729
00:39:00,655 --> 00:39:03,137
According to Avery,
they're unmanned.
730
00:39:03,172 --> 00:39:04,689
There's no sign
of anyone up there.
731
00:39:04,724 --> 00:39:08,379
There's no vehicles,
which is like we said.
732
00:39:08,413 --> 00:39:13,172
Now what I was hearing
from people is that you
pan around the other side,
733
00:39:13,206 --> 00:39:18,000
That's where they're seeing
lights. So, a base could be
anywhere in there.
734
00:39:18,034 --> 00:39:21,310
It's-It's pretty secluded
coming up from that side,
735
00:39:21,344 --> 00:39:23,827
and as we found out,
at certain times
of the year
736
00:39:23,862 --> 00:39:25,793
really kind of treacherous
coming up this way.
737
00:39:25,827 --> 00:39:26,896
Yes.
738
00:39:26,931 --> 00:39:29,103
I mean, that's the idea.
739
00:39:29,137 --> 00:39:32,758
I also have a thermal camera
that it's pretty cold out,
740
00:39:32,793 --> 00:39:37,172
So anything that might be
giving off heat like a vent
might show up in the thermals.
741
00:39:37,206 --> 00:39:39,793
[Narrator] Despite scanning
around the entire Mesa,
742
00:39:39,827 --> 00:39:42,068
Ben doesn't see the hole
or entrance.
743
00:39:42,103 --> 00:39:44,172
But, if the government had a
part to play
744
00:39:44,206 --> 00:39:46,896
in building a jointly operated
underground base,
745
00:39:46,931 --> 00:39:50,206
Ben suspects the entrance
is well hidden.
746
00:39:50,241 --> 00:39:53,482
[BEN] The people being
harassed by the military or
anyone, while they're up here?
747
00:39:53,517 --> 00:39:55,827
Was just being told
a story about that...
748
00:39:55,862 --> 00:39:57,965
A couple of
friends are up here,
749
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,793
and military pulled up
on them. They told 'em
to get off the mountain,
750
00:40:00,827 --> 00:40:02,448
and they followed
them down.
751
00:40:02,482 --> 00:40:05,689
It's almost one of those
situations where you want to
demand their credentials.
752
00:40:05,724 --> 00:40:08,241
"Under what authority are you
kicking me out of here?"
753
00:40:08,275 --> 00:40:11,862
Probably the authority of
that AR-15 pointing at ya!
[laughs]
754
00:40:13,551 --> 00:40:16,241
[Ben] So I'm going to record
on thermal.
755
00:40:16,275 --> 00:40:19,310
So, you can see right here,
the top of the mountain
756
00:40:19,344 --> 00:40:21,965
is actually twenty degrees
Fahrenheit.
757
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,827
So I'm imagining anything
that's, you know, ventilating
758
00:40:26,862 --> 00:40:29,586
heat or air from the facility
down below is going to show up
759
00:40:30,379 --> 00:40:31,724
Look at this.
760
00:40:31,758 --> 00:40:32,827
You've got 21 degrees.
761
00:40:32,862 --> 00:40:34,517
That's the hillside itself.
762
00:40:34,551 --> 00:40:36,862
Fahrenheit, okay.
Yellow and the
763
00:40:36,896 --> 00:40:39,931
lighter colors here
are going to be hot, so red
764
00:40:39,965 --> 00:40:41,862
is going to be the hottest.
765
00:40:41,896 --> 00:40:43,965
Look at the red area coming
off the top of the ridge.
766
00:40:44,413 --> 00:40:46,103
[AVERY] Wow!
767
00:40:46,137 --> 00:40:48,172
-It's to the left of the
towers.
-[AVERY] Yes.
768
00:40:48,206 --> 00:40:52,034
[BEN] It looks like it's
coming, like right up
off the ridge is hot.
769
00:40:52,068 --> 00:40:55,241
You see the top of the
ridge is like spilling out,
770
00:40:55,275 --> 00:40:58,620
-[Avery] Yeah, like,
a hot air balloon.
-Yeah, exactly.
771
00:40:58,655 --> 00:41:02,827
[Ben] That red area is growing
and growing is coming out
of the ridge.
772
00:41:03,172 --> 00:41:04,310
Wow.
773
00:41:04,344 --> 00:41:05,172
What is that?
774
00:41:08,275 --> 00:41:12,310
But why is that bridge so much
warmer than the surrounding?
775
00:41:12,344 --> 00:41:14,413
Something has to be causing
that heat.
776
00:41:14,448 --> 00:41:19,172
Is it possible that the heat
is coming from something
that is venting
777
00:41:19,206 --> 00:41:21,896
from underground,
like a facility?
778
00:41:21,931 --> 00:41:25,034
[Man] Sorry, I don't want
to break the fourth wall,
but look at this.
779
00:41:25,068 --> 00:41:29,034
[Narrator] Ben has discovered
some truly compelling evidence
of an underground base.
780
00:41:29,068 --> 00:41:33,172
But as the sun goes down,
he and Avery need to
get off the mountain.
781
00:41:33,206 --> 00:41:35,379
[Ben] People talk about it
being remote here.
782
00:41:35,413 --> 00:41:38,137
Difficult to get up to,
especially this time of year.
783
00:41:38,172 --> 00:41:41,965
But I could see if you were
to build a secret base,
784
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,379
this would be the
ideal location.
785
00:41:47,172 --> 00:41:50,655
you know, the Dulce Papers
are quite controversial.
786
00:41:50,689 --> 00:41:54,137
But, after talking to a lot
of witnesses who claim
787
00:41:54,172 --> 00:41:56,862
to have seen aircraft
coming out of the mouth,
788
00:41:58,379 --> 00:42:01,413
there might be some sort of
facility here.
789
00:42:02,793 --> 00:42:04,758
So much of this corner
of New Mexico remains
790
00:42:04,793 --> 00:42:08,827
shrouded in mystery, but
it's clearly a UFO hot spot,
791
00:42:08,862 --> 00:42:11,413
and it's secrets won't stay
buried forever.
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