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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,896 --> 00:00:08,965 [MAN] There it is. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,103 [NARRATOR] It's been called the Roswell of northern New Mexico 3 00:00:12,137 --> 00:00:15,275 A small town said to be harboring one of the darkest, 4 00:00:15,310 --> 00:00:18,068 most disturbing secrets in UFO history. 5 00:00:19,206 --> 00:00:21,689 An alien underground facility. 6 00:00:21,724 --> 00:00:23,758 Bizarre genetic experiments. 7 00:00:23,793 --> 00:00:25,931 Egg-shaped UFOs. 8 00:00:25,965 --> 00:00:28,758 Does this space really exist? 9 00:00:28,793 --> 00:00:33,241 [GERI] There's a hole on the other side of that Archuleta mountain. 10 00:00:33,275 --> 00:00:36,896 [NARRATOR] Has our government known all along? Did they help build it? 11 00:00:36,931 --> 00:00:39,068 [LAURA] The old saying is an underground base. 12 00:00:39,103 --> 00:00:41,689 [Narrator] Ben Hansen is on a mission to find out. 13 00:00:41,724 --> 00:00:45,172 [BEN] You see the top of the ridge is, like, spilling out like heat! 14 00:00:47,793 --> 00:00:50,241 I'm Ben Hansen, former federal agent. 15 00:00:50,275 --> 00:00:53,551 My grandfather worked at a highly classified Air Force base 16 00:00:53,586 --> 00:00:56,448 and convinced me we are not alone in the universe. 17 00:00:56,482 --> 00:01:00,206 Then I had my own encounter that changed my life forever. 18 00:01:00,241 --> 00:01:02,206 Welcome to UFO country. 19 00:01:02,241 --> 00:01:06,413 Now I've gained access to a top secret archive from Project Blue Book. 20 00:01:06,448 --> 00:01:11,965 [WOMAN] This planet has been under surveillance for centuries. 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,758 [Ben] containing reports of over ten thousand UFO sightings 22 00:01:14,793 --> 00:01:16,862 investigated by the U. S. Government. 23 00:01:16,896 --> 00:01:21,793 We could very well be standing on the exact place where a UFO crashed. 24 00:01:21,827 --> 00:01:24,862 My mission is to uncover the truth. 25 00:01:30,172 --> 00:01:32,689 [eerie sound] 26 00:01:35,793 --> 00:01:37,896 [Ben] I'm in a remote area of northern New Mexico, 27 00:01:37,931 --> 00:01:41,620 following up on a wave of UFO sightings. 28 00:01:41,655 --> 00:01:44,862 When it comes to UFOs, New Mexico is best known for 29 00:01:44,896 --> 00:01:47,482 one incident in particular: Roswell, 1947. 30 00:01:48,793 --> 00:01:51,172 But that infamous case is just the beginning, 31 00:01:51,206 --> 00:01:53,931 when it comes to UFO activity in this region. 32 00:01:53,965 --> 00:01:56,827 Since then, there's been abductions, cattle mutilations 33 00:01:56,862 --> 00:02:00,000 even stories of human experimentation. 34 00:02:00,034 --> 00:02:02,000 I've heard rumors that the Government has had 35 00:02:02,034 --> 00:02:04,137 a hand in these incidents. 36 00:02:04,172 --> 00:02:07,172 Before I came out here, I spoke with Laura Eisenhower, 37 00:02:07,206 --> 00:02:11,000 the great granddaughter of President Dwight D Eisenhower, 38 00:02:11,034 --> 00:02:16,310 and what she told me about alien activity on our planet was mind-blowing. 39 00:02:16,344 --> 00:02:18,068 -[BEN] Hey, Laura. -[LAURA] Hey, Ben. 40 00:02:18,103 --> 00:02:19,758 [BEN] I'm on my way to Dulce, New Mexico 41 00:02:19,793 --> 00:02:23,896 to follow up on a recent UFO sighting, and I was told that 42 00:02:23,931 --> 00:02:26,827 the locals, a lot of them believe in this idea that, 43 00:02:26,862 --> 00:02:30,310 there is an underground alien base in cooperation with humans, 44 00:02:30,344 --> 00:02:32,068 the military there. Do you think 45 00:02:32,103 --> 00:02:34,931 there's any truth to the idea of an underground base? 46 00:02:34,965 --> 00:02:38,517 [LAURA] Ah, Dulce, ah, is an underground base. 47 00:02:38,551 --> 00:02:42,068 There's a lot of sightings that people have experienced, 48 00:02:42,103 --> 00:02:44,172 and they really do back up the claims. 49 00:02:44,206 --> 00:02:47,689 [BEN] Do you feel that these underground bases might be 50 00:02:47,724 --> 00:02:52,137 related to these treaties that your great-grandfather 51 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:54,379 allegedly took place in, with extraterrestrials? 52 00:02:54,413 --> 00:02:56,000 [LAURA] Yes. 53 00:02:56,034 --> 00:02:58,344 [NARRATOR] Laura believes, her great-grandfather, 54 00:02:58,379 --> 00:03:01,241 President Eisenhower, entered into a treaty 55 00:03:01,275 --> 00:03:04,931 with an alien race known as the Grays. 56 00:03:04,965 --> 00:03:09,137 [BEN] One of the theories is that we would exchange technology. 57 00:03:09,172 --> 00:03:13,896 They would give us their information on how to advance our technology, 58 00:03:13,931 --> 00:03:18,586 in trade for allowing them to do experimentation. 59 00:03:18,620 --> 00:03:20,206 [LAURA] Ah, yes. 60 00:03:21,862 --> 00:03:23,551 [BEN] We talk about the extraterrestrials 61 00:03:23,586 --> 00:03:27,172 coming from space, and having a particular interest 62 00:03:27,206 --> 00:03:31,551 in maybe a town, maybe a military base, and that could be true. 63 00:03:31,586 --> 00:03:34,034 But could it also be true there's an increase 64 00:03:34,068 --> 00:03:37,724 in activity because they're already here? And that 65 00:03:37,758 --> 00:03:40,103 they're underground, and they're actually coming out? 66 00:03:40,137 --> 00:03:42,310 [LAURA] Yes, they've been here a really long time. 67 00:03:42,344 --> 00:03:46,448 What are their intentions, you know, is something to ponder. 68 00:03:46,482 --> 00:03:48,344 And there's a lot to uncover. 69 00:03:48,379 --> 00:03:51,793 I'm absolutely convinced it exists, and I'll be interested to hear 70 00:03:51,827 --> 00:03:53,586 what you have to share when you get back. 71 00:03:54,724 --> 00:03:56,068 [NARRATOR] The people of Dulce 72 00:03:56,103 --> 00:03:59,206 and the surrounding Jicarilla Apache Nation reservation, 73 00:03:59,241 --> 00:04:02,724 have been witnessing strange UFOs for decades. 74 00:04:02,758 --> 00:04:06,689 But recently, one man claims to have captured photographic proof. 75 00:04:06,724 --> 00:04:09,275 Ben is on his way to meet him now. 76 00:04:09,310 --> 00:04:12,586 Could this be evidence of underground alien bases? 77 00:04:12,620 --> 00:04:17,551 They discovered a photo which an amateur photographer took, named Dory Vigil. 78 00:04:17,586 --> 00:04:22,344 Dory was, um, taking pictures of a flat-top mountain named 79 00:04:22,379 --> 00:04:26,137 the Archuleta Mesa, and I want to know if the photo 80 00:04:26,172 --> 00:04:29,275 might have anything to do with these reports of a base. 81 00:04:29,310 --> 00:04:30,965 [BEN] Hey, Dory. [DORY] How you doing? 82 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,620 [BEN] Good. Ben. Nice to meet you! 83 00:04:32,655 --> 00:04:35,034 [NARRATOR] Dory, a longtime Dulce resident, 84 00:04:35,068 --> 00:04:38,827 grew up hearing all sorts of whispers about Archuleta Mesa. 85 00:04:38,862 --> 00:04:43,103 But in 2015, all those rumors would become shockingly real. 86 00:04:43,137 --> 00:04:45,655 BEN: So, what were you doing that day? 87 00:04:45,689 --> 00:04:49,379 [NARRATOR] Late one afternoon, Dory was helping a friend trim trees. 88 00:04:49,413 --> 00:04:52,482 On his way home, he pulled over to take some photos. 89 00:04:52,517 --> 00:04:55,172 [Dory] That day, I was over here, on top of this other hill. 90 00:05:04,172 --> 00:05:08,103 [DORY] I had a new camera and I was trying to take the pictures. 91 00:05:08,137 --> 00:05:09,758 I took a picture at the football field 92 00:05:09,793 --> 00:05:11,241 I took a picture at the church. 93 00:05:13,310 --> 00:05:14,206 All of a sudden, 94 00:05:15,620 --> 00:05:20,068 there was this little black thing in the skies. 95 00:05:25,620 --> 00:05:28,379 -[BEN] So, do you to have that photo? -[DORY] Yeah 96 00:05:28,413 --> 00:05:30,448 [BEN] I can see there's that dip, DORY: Yes. 97 00:05:30,482 --> 00:05:34,586 BEN: I can see now. So with this perspective though, that actually looks 98 00:05:34,620 --> 00:05:37,551 pretty close to you. 99 00:05:37,586 --> 00:05:40,103 Dory wasn't the only one who saw the strange flying 100 00:05:40,137 --> 00:05:42,862 object that evening. Other witnesses recalled an 101 00:05:42,896 --> 00:05:44,620 even stranger detail. 102 00:05:44,655 --> 00:05:47,000 [DORY] There's other people around town that says 103 00:05:47,034 --> 00:05:49,896 they seen the same UFO coming from the Mesa. 104 00:05:49,931 --> 00:05:51,103 [BEN] From the Archuleta Mesa? 105 00:05:53,620 --> 00:05:55,586 [DORY] There is about, maybe, five accounts 106 00:05:55,620 --> 00:05:58,275 saying that the, er, it opened up. 107 00:05:58,310 --> 00:05:59,275 [BEN] Opened up? 108 00:05:59,310 --> 00:06:01,344 And a light came out or whatever or something, 109 00:06:01,379 --> 00:06:03,655 and then they said, there's stuff that went in out, 110 00:06:03,689 --> 00:06:05,965 -and then it closed up and everything. -[BEN laughs] 111 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,758 [NARRATOR] Could the rumors be true? 112 00:06:07,793 --> 00:06:10,275 Could the Archuleta Mesa be hiding one of the underground 113 00:06:10,310 --> 00:06:15,310 bases allegedly built under Native American reservations? 114 00:06:15,344 --> 00:06:17,517 [BEN] From rumors, the stories of the people in town, 115 00:06:17,551 --> 00:06:19,931 How long has this been going on? 116 00:06:19,965 --> 00:06:22,310 According to all the stories from the history, 117 00:06:22,344 --> 00:06:25,689 from Grandma to present, they told me that when they 118 00:06:25,724 --> 00:06:29,103 were small, they used to see the spacecraft and everything. 119 00:06:29,137 --> 00:06:32,172 [NARRATOR] If the Eisenhower Treaty was signed seventy years ago, 120 00:06:32,206 --> 00:06:35,586 it would explain why these rumors have been around for so long. 121 00:06:35,620 --> 00:06:37,931 So we're talking at least, maybe, one hundred years 122 00:06:37,965 --> 00:06:39,482 -or more? -Yes. 123 00:06:39,517 --> 00:06:43,137 [NARRATOR] Ben's eager to investigate the Archuleta Mesa for himself. 124 00:06:43,172 --> 00:06:45,000 But access will be a challenge. 125 00:06:45,034 --> 00:06:48,448 [BEN] So, if I want to go visit any part of the Mesa, 126 00:06:48,482 --> 00:06:51,241 or up in this area, what would I need to do? 127 00:06:51,275 --> 00:06:54,172 [Dory speaking] 128 00:07:01,241 --> 00:07:03,551 [NARRATOR] Ben heads to the Jicarilla Apache Nation to 129 00:07:03,586 --> 00:07:07,689 plead his case. If he can't get permission to access the land, 130 00:07:07,724 --> 00:07:11,482 his investigation is over before it's really started. 131 00:07:11,517 --> 00:07:13,517 I'm on my way to meet with some of the elders 132 00:07:13,551 --> 00:07:16,758 of the Jicarilla Apache Nation, to get their permission 133 00:07:16,793 --> 00:07:20,068 to move freely about the reservation, to talk to some 134 00:07:20,103 --> 00:07:23,517 of the UFO witnesses, hear their experiences. 135 00:07:23,551 --> 00:07:27,551 It's a matter of respect, and I need that permission from them. 136 00:07:27,586 --> 00:07:30,206 [NARRATOR] The tribe has turned down requests from dozens 137 00:07:30,241 --> 00:07:31,827 of UFO investigators. 138 00:07:33,517 --> 00:07:35,241 You'll have to turn the camera off now. 139 00:07:36,896 --> 00:07:40,172 [NARRATOR] After several hours, Ben re-emerges with good news. 140 00:07:40,206 --> 00:07:44,034 He has secured unprecedented access, provided he works with 141 00:07:44,068 --> 00:07:48,206 a local resident and former detective, Avery Tafoya. 142 00:07:48,241 --> 00:07:50,310 [BEN] Thank you for taking your time to go with me, 143 00:07:50,344 --> 00:07:52,931 because as an outsider, I know that this is 144 00:07:52,965 --> 00:07:55,172 -kind of a sensitive issue. -[AVERY] Oh, you're welcome. 145 00:07:57,862 --> 00:08:01,448 [BEN] I have always wanted to come to this part of New Mexico 146 00:08:01,482 --> 00:08:03,793 because, this gentlemen, Dory was telling me, 147 00:08:03,827 --> 00:08:06,758 people are watching things silently going in and out. 148 00:08:06,793 --> 00:08:07,931 Is that true? 149 00:08:07,965 --> 00:08:11,103 Yes. Uh, people in the community 150 00:08:11,137 --> 00:08:15,413 have been seeing flying saucers, UFOs... 151 00:08:16,482 --> 00:08:19,241 Where do they think that these UFOs come from? 152 00:08:19,275 --> 00:08:21,551 Well, it's rumored that they're probably 153 00:08:21,586 --> 00:08:24,241 -coming out of the base. -So you've heard that, too? 154 00:08:24,275 --> 00:08:25,965 [AVERY] Yeah. 155 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,482 [NARRATOR] The secret alien underground base was allegedly 156 00:08:28,517 --> 00:08:31,586 built in the fifties, after Eisenhower drew up a treaty 157 00:08:31,620 --> 00:08:36,413 with the alien entities. A UFO lore has it, that in the 1970s, 158 00:08:36,448 --> 00:08:38,620 a government security guard from Archuleta's 159 00:08:38,655 --> 00:08:41,275 underground base came forward to expose 160 00:08:41,310 --> 00:08:44,137 all the horrifying secrets hidden in the mountain. 161 00:08:44,172 --> 00:08:47,310 His account became known as The Dulce Papers. 162 00:08:47,344 --> 00:08:52,241 This long sought after report has eluded UFO researchers for decades. 163 00:08:52,275 --> 00:08:55,551 But, incredibly, Avery claims to know all about it. 164 00:08:56,758 --> 00:08:59,827 So have you looked through The Dulce Papersyourself? 165 00:09:01,827 --> 00:09:04,103 Yes, I have. I've flipped through The Dulce Papers. 166 00:09:04,137 --> 00:09:05,620 [NARRATOR] Until now, 167 00:09:05,655 --> 00:09:09,551 Ben had only rumors to go on, but now he's found someone 168 00:09:09,586 --> 00:09:11,965 that actually has seen the papers. 169 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,551 -Really? -Yeah. It's a while back. 170 00:09:15,517 --> 00:09:17,724 I used to work with the police department. 171 00:09:17,758 --> 00:09:19,758 We were in our squad room drinking coffee, 172 00:09:19,793 --> 00:09:20,793 -night shift. -Uh-huh. 173 00:09:20,827 --> 00:09:23,827 And there was a cabinet in that coffee room, 174 00:09:23,862 --> 00:09:27,965 so we kind looked through it and checked, and we actually found a copy 175 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,758 of The Dulce Papers in there. 176 00:09:30,793 --> 00:09:32,586 -Yeah. -Like in a case file? 177 00:09:32,620 --> 00:09:34,172 Yeah, it wasn't labeled. 178 00:09:34,206 --> 00:09:35,965 I do have a copy, if you'd like to see 'em? 179 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000 I would love to take a look at that. 180 00:09:38,034 --> 00:09:39,551 It seems the tribal police 181 00:09:39,586 --> 00:09:44,206 kept their own copy of the entire report. Ben can't believe what he's seeing. 182 00:09:44,241 --> 00:09:45,965 The allegations are horrifying. 183 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,103 The paper describes a seven level deep laboratory run by 184 00:09:49,137 --> 00:09:51,896 humans, and alien Grays. 185 00:09:51,931 --> 00:09:54,965 They depict twisted genetic experiments, aimed at producing 186 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,689 hybrid organisms. 187 00:09:57,137 --> 00:09:58,275 [BEN] Wow! 188 00:09:58,310 --> 00:10:02,379 This is like a vat of, you know, aliens inside of them, 189 00:10:02,413 --> 00:10:05,103 like, it looks like growing them or preserving them, right? 190 00:10:06,517 --> 00:10:08,344 And detailed sketches... 191 00:10:08,379 --> 00:10:11,344 Very interesting. So, this researcher writes genetic 192 00:10:11,379 --> 00:10:15,827 acceleration, period of gestation, three to five months. 193 00:10:15,862 --> 00:10:18,482 There's some strange symbols here. 194 00:10:18,517 --> 00:10:21,620 It "computerized wall and computerized tanks." 195 00:10:22,448 --> 00:10:23,620 Interesting. 196 00:10:23,655 --> 00:10:25,482 [NARRATOR] This is an incredible account, 197 00:10:25,517 --> 00:10:29,551 but Ben needs more evidence. [Stacks paper on table] 198 00:10:29,586 --> 00:10:33,310 [BEN] Is there anyone else around town, or other stories that you've heard, 199 00:10:33,344 --> 00:10:35,689 that kind of corroborate, you know, 200 00:10:35,724 --> 00:10:37,724 that there is an underground base? 201 00:10:39,517 --> 00:10:42,137 Yes. There's a woman named, uh, Myrna Hansen. 202 00:10:44,413 --> 00:10:46,793 [NARRATOR] A twenty-eight year old bank teller, Myrna, 203 00:10:46,827 --> 00:10:50,517 and her son, Shawn, were driving home to Eagle's Nest, 204 00:10:50,551 --> 00:10:52,517 just three hours from Dulce. 205 00:10:53,655 --> 00:10:57,689 What followed would change their lives forever. 206 00:10:57,724 --> 00:11:00,517 Coming Up. Ben hears the incredible story of a woman 207 00:11:00,551 --> 00:11:03,586 and her son, who say they were abducted by Grays, 208 00:11:03,620 --> 00:11:06,448 and taken to an underground base. 209 00:11:10,379 --> 00:11:11,655 Ben Hansen is investigating 210 00:11:11,689 --> 00:11:14,724 reports of a hidden human-alien research laboratory 211 00:11:14,758 --> 00:11:18,137 conducting genetic research near Dulce, New Mexico. 212 00:11:18,172 --> 00:11:20,931 In 1980, a woman named Myrna Hansen 213 00:11:20,965 --> 00:11:23,862 claimed she and her son were abducted by Grays, 214 00:11:23,896 --> 00:11:26,758 -and taken to the base -Her and her 215 00:11:26,793 --> 00:11:28,862 six year old son, were driving home, 216 00:11:30,862 --> 00:11:33,827 and they observed some flying saucers in the sky. 217 00:11:35,344 --> 00:11:37,344 The next thing she remembers after that was 218 00:11:37,379 --> 00:11:41,310 her and her son were in their car, 219 00:11:57,724 --> 00:12:00,620 and had no gas, and it wasn't running. 220 00:12:02,689 --> 00:12:05,482 [NARRATOR] On 5th May 1980, sitting just outside the town 221 00:12:05,517 --> 00:12:09,793 of Dulce, she realized she'd lost a full six hours. 222 00:12:11,310 --> 00:12:15,379 Does she recall anything of what happened in the missing time? 223 00:12:15,413 --> 00:12:17,068 After time, she didn't, 224 00:12:17,103 --> 00:12:22,482 but she had gone back to do some regression hypnotism. 225 00:12:22,517 --> 00:12:25,965 During the time that she did that, she found out 226 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,827 what had happened. 227 00:12:28,896 --> 00:12:32,241 They were taken to an underground base. 228 00:12:32,275 --> 00:12:34,068 -Really? -Yes. 229 00:12:40,862 --> 00:12:43,793 [NARRATOR] Myrna saw what appeared to be a complex lab. 230 00:12:45,896 --> 00:12:48,206 She was subjected to painful experiments, 231 00:12:49,137 --> 00:12:50,965 [scream] 232 00:12:51,827 --> 00:12:54,620 and feared she wouldn't leave alive. 233 00:12:58,482 --> 00:13:01,103 [AVERY] Apparently, after they 234 00:13:01,137 --> 00:13:04,517 were through with examinations and procedures, 235 00:13:04,551 --> 00:13:07,517 they took Myrna and her son into another room. 236 00:13:13,517 --> 00:13:15,931 She described seeing, 237 00:13:15,965 --> 00:13:21,000 big vats of liquid with, er, body parts in it, 238 00:13:21,034 --> 00:13:24,103 and she was not sure if they were human or animal. 239 00:13:27,689 --> 00:13:29,896 NARRATOR: Myrna Hanson also claimed she saw the aliens 240 00:13:29,931 --> 00:13:34,034 conduct bizarre and painful experiments on cattle. 241 00:13:34,068 --> 00:13:37,517 And then, she and her son's memories were erased. 242 00:13:37,551 --> 00:13:41,103 They were subject to, er, flashes of bright lights. 243 00:13:42,655 --> 00:13:45,344 Apparently, the bright lights wiped their memory 244 00:13:45,379 --> 00:13:46,620 of the abduction. 245 00:13:48,724 --> 00:13:52,034 Wow, okay. Seems like hypnosis helped. 246 00:13:52,275 --> 00:13:53,482 Yes. 247 00:13:53,517 --> 00:13:55,206 Do you think there's a possibility that 248 00:13:55,241 --> 00:13:59,206 there is an extraterrestrial base underneath Dulce? 249 00:13:59,241 --> 00:14:00,862 I do. 250 00:14:03,586 --> 00:14:06,379 [BEN] Avery agrees to introduce me to another witness 251 00:14:06,413 --> 00:14:09,206 who claims she had an encounter with the Dulce aliens. 252 00:14:09,241 --> 00:14:13,448 On the way, he describes more rumors of the underground base. 253 00:14:13,482 --> 00:14:16,103 [AVERY] I've heard the people that live up on this side of 254 00:14:16,137 --> 00:14:19,689 the hill, that at times it sounds like they can hear 255 00:14:19,724 --> 00:14:21,413 -machinery. -[BEN] Really? 256 00:14:21,448 --> 00:14:24,931 But, there's no machinery out 257 00:14:24,965 --> 00:14:29,103 -so they thinking it's underground. -[BEN] Wow! 258 00:14:29,137 --> 00:14:31,724 [AVERY] Quite a few stories from this area from the farmers. 259 00:14:31,758 --> 00:14:34,172 [BEN] Maybe, maybe right over there against the mountain, 260 00:14:34,206 --> 00:14:36,275 something that's inside there. 261 00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:40,379 Based on what Avery has told me, there are a lot of eyewitnesses in Dulce. 262 00:14:40,413 --> 00:14:42,724 We're on our way to meet Geri Julian, 263 00:14:42,758 --> 00:14:46,068 the Jicarilla Elder, who lives on the outskirts of town. 264 00:14:46,103 --> 00:14:48,034 -[AVERY] Her husband, Larry, -[BEN] Uh-huh. 265 00:14:48,068 --> 00:14:50,413 [AVERY] they used to stay down here a lot. 266 00:14:50,448 --> 00:14:53,344 Watch their cattle, so a lot of times they would 267 00:14:53,379 --> 00:14:56,206 just sit outside, and that's when they started seeing stuff. 268 00:14:58,931 --> 00:15:01,137 [Everyone greets each other] 269 00:15:01,172 --> 00:15:03,068 -I'm Ben. -[GERI] Oh, okay. 270 00:15:03,103 --> 00:15:04,413 Nice to meet ya, Ya must be Geri. 271 00:15:04,448 --> 00:15:05,517 GERI: Yes. 272 00:15:05,551 --> 00:15:08,034 [BEN] So, um, Avery has been telling me here 273 00:15:08,068 --> 00:15:11,000 that you have had some incredible experiences out here, 274 00:15:11,034 --> 00:15:13,000 -here at your property. -[GERI] Mmhmm. 275 00:15:13,034 --> 00:15:15,517 -Guess you keep cattle here? -Mmm mm. 276 00:15:15,551 --> 00:15:17,586 I wanted to kind of hear what's been going on. 277 00:15:17,620 --> 00:15:20,068 [NARRATOR] Geri claims to have had her first encounter 278 00:15:20,103 --> 00:15:22,724 with the Dulce aliens in 1986. 279 00:15:22,758 --> 00:15:24,172 [GERI] A couple years ago, 280 00:15:24,206 --> 00:15:25,827 we were working up over there 281 00:15:25,862 --> 00:15:28,137 at Archuleta mountain, that way. 282 00:15:30,379 --> 00:15:32,344 When we park over there, me and my husband, 283 00:15:32,379 --> 00:15:34,793 he brought me a little old... 284 00:15:34,827 --> 00:15:36,172 [BEN] Why don't you have a seat? 285 00:15:36,206 --> 00:15:37,344 -One of those cooks. -Okay. 286 00:15:43,482 --> 00:15:45,344 [GERI] We just sat at the end gate, 287 00:15:48,862 --> 00:15:51,172 and then all of a sudden, from there, we saw, 288 00:15:51,206 --> 00:15:54,758 like, something coming down off of Archuleta mountain, 289 00:15:54,793 --> 00:15:56,068 going towards the road, 290 00:15:56,103 --> 00:16:02,172 something white. On top, It was huge! 291 00:16:02,206 --> 00:16:05,655 [NARRATOR] An egg shaped craft similar to what her fellow 292 00:16:05,689 --> 00:16:08,931 tribal member, Dory saw, was getting closer. 293 00:16:08,965 --> 00:16:13,620 [GERI] My husband, he looked at it and then he tells me, right away 294 00:16:13,655 --> 00:16:14,862 he said,"Get in the truck!" 295 00:16:14,896 --> 00:16:17,689 And then I "I want to see it too." 296 00:16:17,724 --> 00:16:20,413 He said, "No. Get in the truck!" 297 00:16:20,448 --> 00:16:25,379 So I put the end gate back up, and then I got in the truck. 298 00:16:29,379 --> 00:16:34,413 -And then, the truck won't start. -[BEN] Really? 299 00:16:37,758 --> 00:16:39,379 [NARRATOR] As Geri's husband struggles 300 00:16:39,413 --> 00:16:40,517 to get the truck started, 301 00:16:42,206 --> 00:16:44,827 the couple suddenly notices figures approaching. 302 00:16:45,896 --> 00:16:48,655 [GERI] Two small people started climbing down. 303 00:16:57,655 --> 00:16:58,551 [NARRATOR] Finally! 304 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,758 [GERI] That's when we took off. 305 00:17:15,034 --> 00:17:17,586 [NARRATOR] Although Geri didn't get a close look, 306 00:17:17,620 --> 00:17:20,275 she saw the figures go back to their egg shaped UFO, 307 00:17:20,310 --> 00:17:22,896 and fly back towards the mountain. 308 00:17:23,275 --> 00:17:24,551 Wow! Wow! 309 00:17:24,586 --> 00:17:27,620 And, it went back on top of Archuleta mountain 310 00:17:27,655 --> 00:17:30,551 to where the... the hole is. That way. 311 00:17:30,586 --> 00:17:32,137 The hole? What's the hole? 312 00:17:32,172 --> 00:17:35,310 There's a hole on the other side of that Archuleta mountain. 313 00:17:36,896 --> 00:17:37,793 It's got a hole? 314 00:17:37,827 --> 00:17:39,482 Or, do you mean that it's actually open? 315 00:17:39,517 --> 00:17:43,206 They made it. Whoever it is, they made it. 316 00:17:45,310 --> 00:17:46,413 Wow! 317 00:17:46,448 --> 00:17:49,137 [NARRATOR] But this is not the end of Geri's story. 318 00:17:49,172 --> 00:17:51,896 That night the beings came back, and this time 319 00:17:51,931 --> 00:17:55,448 -she saw them up close. -[GERI] At my house, 320 00:17:55,482 --> 00:17:59,758 at night, I woke up while it was dark in my room. 321 00:18:00,965 --> 00:18:02,655 There were two small people 322 00:18:02,689 --> 00:18:05,827 that were trying to pull me off the bed, and I couldn't scream. 323 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,275 So I was holding onto the mattress, down here, 324 00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:12,724 and they were trying to pull me off. 325 00:18:14,172 --> 00:18:15,620 They're the star-people. 326 00:18:21,172 --> 00:18:22,655 [NARRATOR] Ben Hansen is in Dulce, New Mexico 327 00:18:22,689 --> 00:18:24,827 on a mission to dig up the Archuletta Mesa's 328 00:18:24,862 --> 00:18:28,758 darkest secrets Is this tabletop mountain 329 00:18:28,793 --> 00:18:33,344 hiding a jointly operated human-alien genetic research lab? 330 00:18:33,379 --> 00:18:37,482 Jicarilla Apache Elder, Geri Julian describes her close-encounter 331 00:18:37,517 --> 00:18:39,275 with what she believes were aliens 332 00:18:39,310 --> 00:18:41,413 from inside the mountain. 333 00:18:41,448 --> 00:18:43,448 Two small people, they were trying to pull me off 334 00:18:43,482 --> 00:18:45,931 the bed and I couldn't scream. 335 00:18:45,965 --> 00:18:49,275 And she has a specific name for her would-be abductors. 336 00:18:49,310 --> 00:18:50,655 The Star-people. 337 00:18:50,689 --> 00:18:54,620 I was holding onto the mattress, down here, 338 00:18:54,655 --> 00:18:56,827 and they were trying to pull me off, 339 00:18:58,862 --> 00:19:03,931 and then my husband, like, moved, and then they let me go. 340 00:19:04,517 --> 00:19:05,655 Wow! 341 00:19:05,689 --> 00:19:07,482 [GERI] And then all day, the next day, 342 00:19:07,517 --> 00:19:09,965 I couldn't get it off my mind. 343 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,241 What if they come again tonight? 344 00:19:12,275 --> 00:19:13,931 What if they really take me? 345 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,827 They're... they're the star-people. 346 00:19:20,137 --> 00:19:22,827 So, is that what you believe? Is that they're extraterrestrial? 347 00:19:22,862 --> 00:19:24,000 Mmm-hmm 348 00:19:26,068 --> 00:19:28,379 [BEN] Well, Geri, thank you so much for your time, 349 00:19:28,413 --> 00:19:30,344 and agreeing to meet with us. 350 00:19:30,379 --> 00:19:32,482 And some of your experiences sound quite frightening 351 00:19:32,517 --> 00:19:35,551 but it matches up with a lot of what other people are telling me, 352 00:19:35,586 --> 00:19:37,793 so I wanted to thank you for your time. 353 00:19:37,827 --> 00:19:39,689 Mm-hmm 354 00:19:39,724 --> 00:19:42,413 [BEN] Everybody in town has some sort of story 355 00:19:42,448 --> 00:19:46,034 that they've seen something here or they know somebody. 356 00:19:46,068 --> 00:19:50,379 UFO craft coming and going in the mountain. I believe Dory. 357 00:19:50,413 --> 00:19:52,862 I believe that he didn't hoax this photo. 358 00:19:52,896 --> 00:19:54,482 What it is, is still unidentified. 359 00:19:54,517 --> 00:19:57,344 It's, it's a true UFO, and does it support 360 00:19:57,379 --> 00:19:59,517 some of the other stories of people in town? 361 00:19:59,551 --> 00:20:02,344 Yeah! They've been witnessing strange objects like this 362 00:20:02,379 --> 00:20:04,551 for many, many years. 363 00:20:04,586 --> 00:20:05,896 I really had no idea there 364 00:20:05,931 --> 00:20:08,689 was so much activity to report in this part of New Mexico. 365 00:20:11,758 --> 00:20:14,689 [NARRATOR] To find out what's really hiding in New Mexico, 366 00:20:14,724 --> 00:20:17,551 Ben will need to dig further Into the past. 367 00:20:17,586 --> 00:20:19,758 He's been granted special access to the top secret 368 00:20:19,793 --> 00:20:23,586 archives of Dr J. Allen Hynek, lead investigator for the 369 00:20:23,620 --> 00:20:26,758 Air Force's Project Blue Book program. 370 00:20:26,793 --> 00:20:29,172 It was Blue Book's mission to explain away 371 00:20:29,206 --> 00:20:33,034 strange UFO phenomenon, but Dr Hynek soon realized 372 00:20:33,068 --> 00:20:36,137 some of these strange sightings could not be debunked. 373 00:20:36,172 --> 00:20:39,896 I'm in Kalamazoo, Michigan, going to the CUFOS Library. 374 00:20:39,931 --> 00:20:42,655 I want to get to the bottom of whether the Archuleta Mesa 375 00:20:42,689 --> 00:20:44,620 is housing an underground base. 376 00:20:44,655 --> 00:20:46,310 -Hey, Ben. -Hey, Mark 377 00:20:46,344 --> 00:20:50,241 [Ben] And UFO historian, Mark O'Connell has agreed to help. 378 00:20:50,275 --> 00:20:53,482 So, everyone knows that New Mexico is a hot spot 379 00:20:53,517 --> 00:20:55,103 for UFO activity, right? 380 00:20:55,137 --> 00:20:57,862 I've been researching rumors of a jointly operated human 381 00:20:57,896 --> 00:21:00,724 and alien underground base in Dulce, New Mexico. 382 00:21:00,758 --> 00:21:02,586 It's a facility where, allegedly, 383 00:21:02,620 --> 00:21:05,586 our government allows aliens to experiment on humans 384 00:21:05,620 --> 00:21:07,965 in return for their advanced technology. 385 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,206 There have been reports of egg shaped UFOs flying 386 00:21:10,241 --> 00:21:11,793 in and out of the mountain, 387 00:21:11,827 --> 00:21:14,137 and I've spoken to one witness who says 388 00:21:14,172 --> 00:21:15,896 she was nearly abducted. 389 00:21:15,931 --> 00:21:17,965 Historically, have there been any other sightings 390 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,379 in that area? 391 00:21:20,413 --> 00:21:22,965 [MARK] The big one would be the Socorro case. 392 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,379 It involved a traffic cop who saw a strange object 393 00:21:26,413 --> 00:21:29,206 and watched it blast off into the sky. 394 00:21:29,241 --> 00:21:30,620 So we have a couple of tapes here. 395 00:21:30,655 --> 00:21:33,724 The first one is an interview with the traffic cop, 396 00:21:33,758 --> 00:21:35,655 Lonnie Zamora, the man who saw the UFO. 397 00:21:36,586 --> 00:21:37,965 Let's have a listen to it. 398 00:21:39,931 --> 00:21:41,620 [tape-recorder clicks] 399 00:21:41,655 --> 00:21:43,724 [Voice of Lonnie Zamora plays on the recorder] 400 00:22:02,896 --> 00:22:05,137 [Narrator] But when Zamora arrived on the scene, 401 00:22:05,172 --> 00:22:06,827 he didn't find an exploded shack. 402 00:22:06,862 --> 00:22:10,034 Instead, he saw something he couldn't fathom. 403 00:22:29,931 --> 00:22:32,620 [ NARRATOR] Zamora's first instinct was to go to their aid. 404 00:23:10,793 --> 00:23:12,758 [BEN] You know what I love about this story? 405 00:23:12,793 --> 00:23:16,448 He's giving details that are very pertinent, 406 00:23:16,482 --> 00:23:20,689 that don't fit that typical UFO sighting. 407 00:23:20,724 --> 00:23:26,379 It's egg-shaped, and these men or creatures in white coveralls, right? 408 00:23:26,413 --> 00:23:28,689 It's unlike any other case that I've really heard, 409 00:23:28,724 --> 00:23:30,517 and then the flame. So it's like white. 410 00:23:30,551 --> 00:23:33,275 If you're to make up a story, you know, to get people to 411 00:23:33,310 --> 00:23:36,103 believe you, why wouldn't you just make up your typical 412 00:23:36,137 --> 00:23:38,379 okay-here's-my-UFO-encounter 413 00:23:38,413 --> 00:23:40,275 and leave it at that? 414 00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:42,931 Especially when you consider he immediately called in for backup. 415 00:23:46,448 --> 00:23:47,448 If he was makin this up 416 00:23:47,482 --> 00:23:49,586 there's no way he's calling for backup. 417 00:23:49,620 --> 00:23:53,827 No, he wanted to let people know I'm not crazy, right? 418 00:23:53,862 --> 00:23:55,620 Someone else has got to see this. 419 00:23:56,896 --> 00:23:59,965 [MARK] You should listen to this tape as well. 420 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,344 This is Dr Hynek, talking about the Socorro case. 421 00:24:05,172 --> 00:24:06,931 [VOICE OF DR. HYNEK PLAYS ON THE RECORDER] 422 00:24:29,896 --> 00:24:33,275 [BEN] So, it has the Dr Hynek stamp of approval, right? 423 00:24:33,310 --> 00:24:34,620 [MARK laughs] Very much so. 424 00:24:34,655 --> 00:24:38,275 He doesn't come out very often and say I'm puzzled. 425 00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:40,758 I can't figure this one out. 426 00:24:40,793 --> 00:24:42,655 This was one of Hynek's favorite cases, 427 00:24:42,689 --> 00:24:44,482 if not his absolute favorite, 428 00:24:44,517 --> 00:24:47,931 and he really got into conflict with the Air Force in this one. 429 00:24:47,965 --> 00:24:49,862 The government's explanation not only 430 00:24:49,896 --> 00:24:52,862 upset Hynek, but it defied common sense. 431 00:24:52,896 --> 00:24:56,793 [MARK] Here's the official Project Blue Book conclusion of the case. 432 00:24:56,827 --> 00:24:58,137 They say it was unexplained, 433 00:24:58,172 --> 00:25:02,068 but most likely a prototype NASA Lunar Lander. 434 00:25:05,034 --> 00:25:06,310 I don't wanna buy that. 435 00:25:06,344 --> 00:25:08,000 It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 436 00:25:08,034 --> 00:25:10,241 [NARRATOR] Has the government been covering up the truth 437 00:25:10,275 --> 00:25:12,137 behind the Archuleta Mesa? 438 00:25:12,172 --> 00:25:15,172 Did Lonnie Zamora witness one of the egg shaped crafts 439 00:25:15,206 --> 00:25:17,137 coming from the underground base? 440 00:25:17,172 --> 00:25:19,206 -And like Geri, -[GERI] I couldn't scream! 441 00:25:19,241 --> 00:25:21,586 [NARRATOR] did he narrowly escape abduction? 442 00:25:26,724 --> 00:25:27,862 [MAN] There it is. 443 00:25:27,896 --> 00:25:30,068 [NARRATOR] Ben's investigation into the secret UFO base 444 00:25:30,103 --> 00:25:33,310 at Archuleta Mesa has revealed another unexplained mystery 445 00:25:33,344 --> 00:25:35,379 in New Mexico's past. The Socorro case, 446 00:25:35,413 --> 00:25:38,172 in which patrolman, Lonnie Zamora 447 00:25:38,206 --> 00:25:40,620 swore he saw an egg-shaped spacecraft 448 00:25:40,655 --> 00:25:42,448 manned by two small beings. 449 00:25:48,068 --> 00:25:50,172 Incredibly, the government claimed what Zamora saw 450 00:25:50,206 --> 00:25:52,379 was simply a Lunar Lander. 451 00:25:52,413 --> 00:25:55,448 -[BEN] So this was 1964 right? I mean... -[MARK] Yeah 452 00:25:55,482 --> 00:25:59,206 I can't be certain, but I'm going to guess 453 00:25:59,241 --> 00:26:02,206 there's no confirmed documentation 454 00:26:02,241 --> 00:26:05,172 that we were testing the Lunar module in Socorro, 455 00:26:05,206 --> 00:26:08,172 which is a small town in New Mexico. 456 00:26:08,206 --> 00:26:10,827 They would have no business doing out there in the desert. 457 00:26:10,862 --> 00:26:12,172 There's a reason why this case 458 00:26:12,206 --> 00:26:14,172 was Dr Hynek's favorite. 459 00:26:14,206 --> 00:26:15,724 There was evidence that something 460 00:26:15,758 --> 00:26:17,586 significant had happened. 461 00:26:17,620 --> 00:26:21,241 Hynek didn't get to the bottom of it, but it's worth exploring 462 00:26:21,275 --> 00:26:23,275 [BEN] Well, if Hynek thought it was intriguing 463 00:26:23,310 --> 00:26:26,344 and something didn't smell right, that's enough for me. 464 00:26:26,379 --> 00:26:28,241 I want to go check it for myself. 465 00:26:28,275 --> 00:26:30,931 [NARRATOR] Not only was Lonnie Zamora deemed by Hynek to 466 00:26:30,965 --> 00:26:33,931 be a highly credible witness, his encounter happened 467 00:26:33,965 --> 00:26:36,724 just south of the region where Dory Vigil snapped his 468 00:26:36,758 --> 00:26:40,275 photo of an egg-shaped object streaking across the sky. 469 00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:43,620 Is it possible that spacecraft based inside the Archuleta 470 00:26:43,655 --> 00:26:47,103 Mesa have been flying through New Mexico skies for decades? 471 00:26:49,137 --> 00:26:52,689 Ben is heading back to New Mexico to find out. 472 00:26:52,724 --> 00:26:56,275 [Ben] I'm in Socorro, New Mexico um, checking out this 1964 473 00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:59,689 case that was very unique. 474 00:26:59,724 --> 00:27:03,448 [Narrator] Socorro was a small, remote town in central New Mexico. 475 00:27:03,482 --> 00:27:06,344 It has a population of just over eight thousand people, 476 00:27:06,379 --> 00:27:10,517 and it's surrounded by desert in every direction, for miles. 477 00:27:10,551 --> 00:27:12,413 [BEN] So I'm going to talk with Ben Moss. 478 00:27:12,448 --> 00:27:16,655 He's a UFO researcher who's been kind of passed the torch 479 00:27:16,689 --> 00:27:19,310 from the original investigator so he knows all about it. 480 00:27:19,344 --> 00:27:20,965 He's going to tell me how this case fits 481 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,275 into the big mystery, which is 482 00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:25,103 what exactly did Zamora see? 483 00:27:25,137 --> 00:27:27,965 And has it returned to this region? 484 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,758 [BEN] Ben! [BEN MOSS] Ben Hansen, I presume? 485 00:27:30,793 --> 00:27:32,655 -Yes. Thank you for meeting me here. -Sure. 486 00:27:32,689 --> 00:27:33,896 It's good to finally meet. 487 00:27:33,931 --> 00:27:35,965 Wonderful day for an investigation. 488 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,724 [BEN] I'm excited because I've heard so much 489 00:27:38,758 --> 00:27:40,413 about this case, the location. 490 00:27:40,448 --> 00:27:41,827 Is it close to here? 491 00:27:41,862 --> 00:27:43,758 It's right over this berm behind us. 492 00:27:43,793 --> 00:27:45,172 -You wanna jump in? -Sounds good 493 00:27:45,206 --> 00:27:47,310 -[BEN] go check it. -[BEN MOSS] Alrighty. 494 00:27:47,344 --> 00:27:49,310 [NARRATOR] The Bens are headed to the exact site 495 00:27:49,344 --> 00:27:53,137 where Zamora said the egg shaped craft had landed. 496 00:27:53,172 --> 00:27:55,172 [BEN MOSS] So, on the right here's the memorial, 497 00:27:55,206 --> 00:27:57,241 that city built to Lonnie Zamora. 498 00:27:57,275 --> 00:27:58,413 Look at that! 499 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,827 When did they put that up? 500 00:28:01,862 --> 00:28:04,482 [BEN MOSS] After he died, in 2009. 501 00:28:04,517 --> 00:28:07,000 [BEN] Which is really kind of unusual 502 00:28:07,034 --> 00:28:09,413 that any government agency, you know, 503 00:28:09,448 --> 00:28:11,310 recognizes a UFO sighting. 504 00:28:11,344 --> 00:28:12,344 Definitely, definitely. 505 00:28:12,379 --> 00:28:14,586 And Lonnie was a very respective citizen. 506 00:28:15,620 --> 00:28:18,931 Surprisingly, this hasn't changed since 1964. 507 00:28:18,965 --> 00:28:20,896 -[BEN] Right here? Let's do it -[BEN MOSS] Yup 508 00:28:20,931 --> 00:28:24,724 [Narrator] When Blue Book investigators arrived on scene 56 years ago, 509 00:28:24,758 --> 00:28:27,034 they placed stones around the impressions 510 00:28:27,068 --> 00:28:30,000 left by the spacecraft's four landing pads. 511 00:28:30,034 --> 00:28:32,689 Decades later, those hollows have filled in, 512 00:28:32,724 --> 00:28:35,310 But the rocks remain, marking the exact position 513 00:28:35,344 --> 00:28:37,172 of the UFOs landing. 514 00:28:37,206 --> 00:28:38,068 [BEN MOSS] Here we are 515 00:28:40,931 --> 00:28:42,862 [BEN] They've got a measuring tape here. 516 00:28:42,896 --> 00:28:45,758 I'm curious how far apart these would be. 517 00:28:45,793 --> 00:28:49,655 So between here and there, that in center here, 518 00:28:49,689 --> 00:28:51,206 we have thirteen feet. 519 00:28:52,551 --> 00:28:54,344 Would this be another one? 520 00:28:54,379 --> 00:28:56,172 That would be another one. 521 00:28:56,206 --> 00:28:57,689 Okay, I got twenty feet here. 522 00:28:57,724 --> 00:29:01,206 Okay, so this is a substantial craft. 523 00:29:01,241 --> 00:29:02,448 [BEN MOSS] Yes. 524 00:29:02,482 --> 00:29:04,586 Dr Hynek took measurements and estimated that the craft 525 00:29:04,620 --> 00:29:06,896 had to weigh about nine tons to make those depressions. 526 00:29:06,931 --> 00:29:08,586 -Nine tons? -[BEN MOSS] Nine tons! 527 00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:11,931 That's a nuts-and-bolts, physical heavy object. 528 00:29:11,965 --> 00:29:14,965 [ BEN MOSS] That's a big, heavy craft to have sitting down here. 529 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,275 And I would imagine the only way you would get something 530 00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:20,068 down here like that would be to fly and drop it in. 531 00:29:20,551 --> 00:29:22,275 Wow! Wow! 532 00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:24,758 [BEN MOSS] When you cross section this, the plane came 533 00:29:24,793 --> 00:29:27,482 out directly in the center of the four landing pads. 534 00:29:27,517 --> 00:29:28,793 Looked like it surgically, 535 00:29:28,827 --> 00:29:31,724 almost like you had taken a blowtorch and cut this Creosite 536 00:29:31,758 --> 00:29:33,965 bush in half, which is really hard to do 537 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,965 of these residence plants. Requires a lot of heat. 538 00:29:37,655 --> 00:29:41,586 I have this original photograph taken by Blue Book at the scene. 539 00:29:41,620 --> 00:29:43,586 This is a Creosote bush that was burnt in half. 540 00:29:43,620 --> 00:29:45,862 You can see quite clearly, 541 00:29:45,896 --> 00:29:47,862 it's almost sliced precision. 542 00:29:47,896 --> 00:29:49,241 [BEN] Oh, wow! Yeah. Yeah. 543 00:29:49,275 --> 00:29:50,586 [BEN MOSS] And, 'uh, I even said 544 00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:53,413 if you took a blowtorch you couldn't recreate this. 545 00:29:53,448 --> 00:29:55,379 No, it'd just set the thing on fire. 546 00:29:55,413 --> 00:29:56,379 Exactly! 547 00:29:59,068 --> 00:30:01,206 [BEN] And did anyone else witness this? 548 00:30:01,241 --> 00:30:03,793 [BEN MOSS] Well, the cases... gets more interesting. 549 00:30:03,827 --> 00:30:06,482 In the north direction from here, 550 00:30:06,517 --> 00:30:08,896 there are... initially, three witnesses independently called 551 00:30:08,931 --> 00:30:10,931 into the dispatch, saying 552 00:30:10,965 --> 00:30:14,965 I see a object with a blue flame heading towards Socorro. 553 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,551 This testimony doesn't just 554 00:30:16,586 --> 00:30:19,034 corroborate Zamora's account, It suggests that 555 00:30:19,068 --> 00:30:21,862 the spacecraft came from the exact direction 556 00:30:21,896 --> 00:30:23,034 of the Archuleta Mesa. 557 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,034 [BEN] And then other people arrived? 558 00:30:28,068 --> 00:30:29,482 Did they take photos? 559 00:30:29,517 --> 00:30:32,241 [BEN MOSS] Another officer who always carried a camera, 560 00:30:32,275 --> 00:30:35,586 he came and took, I believe, about nine shots. 561 00:30:35,620 --> 00:30:37,275 Dr. Hynek later confirmed 562 00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:39,482 that the film was fogged by radiation. 563 00:30:40,965 --> 00:30:43,862 [BEN] Yeah. A Lunar Lander wouldn't cause radiation! 564 00:30:43,896 --> 00:30:45,517 That is...that is really odd. 565 00:30:45,551 --> 00:30:47,310 You know, I do have 566 00:30:47,344 --> 00:30:49,413 -a Geiger counter. Why don't we grab that? -Great! 567 00:30:49,448 --> 00:30:50,620 Let's do that. 568 00:30:50,655 --> 00:30:52,931 [NARRATOR] Radiation is said to be a telltale sign 569 00:30:52,965 --> 00:30:55,379 of an extraterrestrial craft. 570 00:30:55,413 --> 00:30:59,206 While most aircraft are powered by conventional fuels, 571 00:30:59,241 --> 00:31:01,793 it's believed that alien ships run on some sort of 572 00:31:01,827 --> 00:31:04,310 nuclear technology. 573 00:31:04,344 --> 00:31:07,482 Okay, so let's see if there's still any radiation here. 574 00:31:07,517 --> 00:31:08,620 [Geiger counter crackling] 575 00:31:08,655 --> 00:31:10,862 I always do like to kind of scan the area. 576 00:31:10,896 --> 00:31:12,482 [GEIGER COUNTER CONTINUES CRACKLING] 577 00:31:15,724 --> 00:31:17,793 [Ben] Oh, wait! Wait a minute. 578 00:31:17,827 --> 00:31:19,172 Here we go. Whoa! 579 00:31:19,206 --> 00:31:20,655 We're definitely getting something. 580 00:31:22,724 --> 00:31:26,551 Wow. Okay, so I can tell you that radiation is quite a bit 581 00:31:26,586 --> 00:31:29,344 by far more than what I normally find. 582 00:31:29,379 --> 00:31:32,448 You know, with top soil like this though, I wouldn't 583 00:31:32,482 --> 00:31:35,620 expect there to be any trace after this many years. 584 00:31:35,655 --> 00:31:37,275 But I'm definitely getting a hit, 585 00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:39,275 and an experimental Lunar Lander would not 586 00:31:39,310 --> 00:31:40,517 have left any radiation here. 587 00:31:41,689 --> 00:31:43,827 The levels are higher than normal background. 588 00:31:44,724 --> 00:31:48,103 We probably could have, in 1964, 589 00:31:48,137 --> 00:31:50,379 created a craft that weighed nine tons, 590 00:31:50,413 --> 00:31:53,206 looked like an egg, sits on landing gear. 591 00:31:53,241 --> 00:31:56,620 but we couldn't have replicated how this thing moved. 592 00:31:56,655 --> 00:31:58,344 Nor is there a logical explanation 593 00:31:58,379 --> 00:32:00,448 for the radiation left behind. 594 00:32:00,482 --> 00:32:02,724 Lonnie Zamora claimed after the object rose 595 00:32:02,758 --> 00:32:06,000 off the ground, it immediately sped into the distance 596 00:32:06,034 --> 00:32:07,586 and disappeared over the mountains, 597 00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:10,103 reaching unheard of speeds. 598 00:32:10,137 --> 00:32:13,034 [BEN] It came up using jet propulsion system, 599 00:32:13,068 --> 00:32:16,448 lots of noise, roaring blue flame coming out, 600 00:32:16,482 --> 00:32:20,241 and then it goes silent and it sails off. 601 00:32:20,275 --> 00:32:21,724 We do not, 602 00:32:21,758 --> 00:32:25,620 still to this day, have such such conventional aircraft. 603 00:32:25,655 --> 00:32:28,724 [NARRATOR] Dory, Myrna, Geri, Zamora. 604 00:32:28,758 --> 00:32:32,793 All claimed to have seen egg shaped UFOs in New Mexico. 605 00:32:32,827 --> 00:32:36,103 But were they all flying in and out of an underground base 606 00:32:36,137 --> 00:32:38,620 that conducted genetic experiments? 607 00:32:40,620 --> 00:32:43,689 -[NARRATOR] Coming up. -[BEN] A ten year old girl says she was burned 608 00:32:43,724 --> 00:32:46,344 while watching a strange egg shaped thing in the sky. 609 00:32:46,379 --> 00:32:49,379 [NARRATOR] Ben is about to uncover more UFO witnesses 610 00:32:49,413 --> 00:32:51,103 from this haunting mystery. 611 00:32:51,137 --> 00:32:54,172 [BEN] Covered in black, and his hair is standing on end and it's burning. 612 00:32:57,862 --> 00:32:59,137 Ben Hansen is investigating rumors of 613 00:32:59,172 --> 00:33:02,482 egg shaped UFOs seen flying in and out 614 00:33:02,517 --> 00:33:05,655 of an alleged underground base in Dulce, New Mexico. 615 00:33:05,689 --> 00:33:08,551 He's come across similar sightings in Socorro, 616 00:33:08,586 --> 00:33:10,379 250 miles south. 617 00:33:10,413 --> 00:33:14,034 The government claimed the UFO was actually a Lunar Lander, 618 00:33:14,068 --> 00:33:15,965 but even Project Blue Book investigator, 619 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,793 Dr Hynek had his doubts. 620 00:33:18,827 --> 00:33:22,655 Ben Hansen is visiting the local Socorro newspaper archives 621 00:33:22,689 --> 00:33:24,758 to see if there are any more clues about 622 00:33:24,793 --> 00:33:26,586 Zamora's strange encounter. 623 00:33:26,620 --> 00:33:28,413 [BEN MOSS] We're here to look at the archives 624 00:33:28,448 --> 00:33:29,448 We called earlier. 625 00:33:29,482 --> 00:33:31,000 [RECEPTIONIST] You can go right ahead 626 00:33:31,034 --> 00:33:33,068 -[BEN MOSS] I appreciate it. Thanks. -[BEN] Okay. 627 00:33:33,103 --> 00:33:35,931 [NARRATOR] While Ben Moss reviews copies of the local paper, 628 00:33:35,965 --> 00:33:39,896 Ben Hansen searches for articles from other New Mexico towns. 629 00:33:39,931 --> 00:33:42,068 [BEN MOSS] Find some goodies? 630 00:33:42,103 --> 00:33:43,620 [BEN] Yeah, yeah! It looks like it. 631 00:33:43,655 --> 00:33:46,931 Let's check this out. So what do you got there? 632 00:33:46,965 --> 00:33:50,655 I've got this 1964 El Defensor news articles. 633 00:33:50,689 --> 00:33:53,206 [BEN] So it came out, what, couple of days after... 634 00:33:53,241 --> 00:33:55,413 [BEN MOSS] So were looking for 28th April. 635 00:33:57,103 --> 00:33:59,379 -[BEN MOSS] Bingo. Young Dr Hynek. -[BEN] Oh, yeah. 636 00:33:59,413 --> 00:34:00,551 He's wearing a bolo tie, 637 00:34:00,586 --> 00:34:03,689 to kinda... kind of fit in with the, uh, locals here. 638 00:34:03,724 --> 00:34:07,655 "Dr Hynek feels Zamora's account solid, not a hoax." 639 00:34:07,689 --> 00:34:09,827 NARRATOR: This article, dated just a few days after 640 00:34:09,862 --> 00:34:11,034 the Zamora incident, 641 00:34:11,068 --> 00:34:14,172 proves Hynek didn't buy the Lunar Lander cover-up. 642 00:34:14,206 --> 00:34:17,482 He believes Zamora saw something otherworldly. 643 00:34:17,517 --> 00:34:19,275 [BEN MOSS] That's a big recommendation 644 00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:20,482 from BlueBook investigator. 645 00:34:20,517 --> 00:34:22,793 [NARRATOR] But Lonnie Zamora wasn't the only person 646 00:34:22,827 --> 00:34:26,206 who claims to have seen a UFO back in 1964. 647 00:34:26,241 --> 00:34:28,275 Found some other things in here 648 00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:30,931 that wasn't just on this case. 649 00:34:30,965 --> 00:34:33,655 Here's one, um, talking about people 650 00:34:33,689 --> 00:34:36,413 reporting, seeing something, landing north of Espanola. 651 00:34:36,448 --> 00:34:37,655 Look at this. 652 00:34:37,689 --> 00:34:40,689 A boy set afire by a blob. 653 00:34:40,724 --> 00:34:43,310 His grandmother was inside, and she heard a weird sound 654 00:34:43,344 --> 00:34:46,068 like something whizzing by really fast. She looked around 655 00:34:46,103 --> 00:34:49,689 and he's covered in black, and his hair is standing on end and it's burning. 656 00:34:49,724 --> 00:34:52,206 [NARRATOR] Whatever Zamora saw, it seems he wasn't 657 00:34:52,241 --> 00:34:54,448 -it's only target. -[BEN MOSS] Well... 658 00:34:54,482 --> 00:34:57,827 BEN: And he talks about a... an object 659 00:34:57,862 --> 00:34:59,655 that looked like a top that came down 660 00:34:59,689 --> 00:35:02,931 and basically hovered over him and shot flames out. 661 00:35:02,965 --> 00:35:03,896 -Sound familiar? -Oh. 662 00:35:04,413 --> 00:35:05,586 Flames? 663 00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:08,068 Look at that! There's another one. 664 00:35:08,103 --> 00:35:10,379 A ten-year-old girl says she was burned while watching 665 00:35:10,413 --> 00:35:13,586 a strange egg-shaped thing in the sky yesterday afternoon. 666 00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:16,689 This happens, um, in Hobbs, 667 00:35:16,724 --> 00:35:20,103 which I think is over by Roswell right? 668 00:35:20,137 --> 00:35:22,931 What we have evidence of is it's not just here in Socorro 669 00:35:22,965 --> 00:35:27,172 So many towns would be lit up with sightings that are 670 00:35:27,206 --> 00:35:29,620 quite frightening. This thing was everywhere. 671 00:35:30,896 --> 00:35:33,586 I uncovered something that was not very well-known, 672 00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:38,206 and that was two cases where UFOs allegedly came 673 00:35:38,241 --> 00:35:42,206 so close to children that it caused physical harm. 674 00:35:42,241 --> 00:35:43,896 you know. What is going on? 675 00:35:43,931 --> 00:35:46,586 I want to know if there's any truth 676 00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:48,103 to the rumors around Dulce. 677 00:35:48,137 --> 00:35:51,172 Is it possible there's a secret alien base? 678 00:35:55,275 --> 00:35:58,241 [NARRATOR] Myrna Hanson continues to be the only eyewitness 679 00:35:58,275 --> 00:36:00,413 who has set foot inside the base. 680 00:36:00,448 --> 00:36:04,758 So, Ben does a deep dive into the background of her account. 681 00:36:04,793 --> 00:36:08,448 What's interesting is that all the records from Myrna 682 00:36:08,482 --> 00:36:10,689 were destroyed, ironically, 683 00:36:10,724 --> 00:36:14,965 but I did discover one person who was key to this, who reviewed the 684 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,448 regression hypnosis of Myrna Hanson 685 00:36:16,482 --> 00:36:18,931 and his name is Paul Benowitz. 686 00:36:18,965 --> 00:36:20,793 Paul is a key figure to this. 687 00:36:20,827 --> 00:36:26,241 He was convinced that Myrna did find evidence of an underground base 688 00:36:26,275 --> 00:36:30,793 there at the Mesa. In his papers, he's quoted as saying, 689 00:36:30,827 --> 00:36:34,000 "Their base is on the west slope of Mt. Archuleta. 690 00:36:34,034 --> 00:36:38,241 The base extends north of this peak to the edge of the cliff. 691 00:36:38,275 --> 00:36:41,655 I would guess it is an underground launch egress facility. 692 00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:44,517 They are not to be trusted. 693 00:36:44,551 --> 00:36:49,931 They must be stopped and have to get off before we find time has run out." 694 00:36:49,965 --> 00:36:53,827 He was absolutely entrenched in the information coming to him. 695 00:36:53,862 --> 00:36:59,517 But, the thing was, he was the subject of an Air Force disinformation campaign. 696 00:36:59,551 --> 00:37:03,206 We know that. I talked to one of the officers who was involved in it. 697 00:37:03,241 --> 00:37:08,241 We knew it was not from this Earth extraterrestrial. 698 00:37:08,275 --> 00:37:12,758 Those particular sightings, we had to disinform the public. 699 00:37:12,793 --> 00:37:16,310 Before he died in 2003, he was convinced 700 00:37:16,344 --> 00:37:18,827 there was an underground base underneath Archuleta Mesa. 701 00:37:18,862 --> 00:37:23,241 Geri, Dory, Avery. They're all taking a path 702 00:37:23,275 --> 00:37:26,172 walked by Benowitz and Zamora decades ago. 703 00:37:26,206 --> 00:37:29,655 I'm headed back to Archuleta Mesa to figure out where that path ends 704 00:37:29,689 --> 00:37:31,689 and maybe, the entrance to that base. 705 00:37:31,724 --> 00:37:36,379 There's a hole on the other side of the Archuleta mountain. 706 00:37:36,413 --> 00:37:38,068 You got a hole? Do you mean that it's 707 00:37:38,103 --> 00:37:40,241 -actually open? -They made it! 708 00:37:40,275 --> 00:37:42,551 -Whoever it is, they made it! 709 00:37:48,206 --> 00:37:50,000 [Narrator] Ben's investigation has him convinced 710 00:37:50,034 --> 00:37:53,310 There's something very strange happening around the town of Dulce 711 00:37:53,344 --> 00:37:55,551 and the Archuleta Mesa. 712 00:37:55,586 --> 00:37:58,655 But is it really possible that there could be an underground base 713 00:37:58,689 --> 00:38:00,172 within the mountain? 714 00:38:00,206 --> 00:38:04,000 Ben has enlisted the help of Jicarilla Apache tribe member, 715 00:38:04,034 --> 00:38:06,931 Avery Tafoya, to see for himself. 716 00:38:06,965 --> 00:38:12,103 [Ben] This has got to be some of the most difficult terrain I've ever travelled, 717 00:38:12,137 --> 00:38:15,965 four-wheeling. I'm getting a run on it, so hold onto your hats. 718 00:38:20,551 --> 00:38:21,793 [engine stalling] 719 00:38:23,655 --> 00:38:27,827 [Ben] We have drone. We've got thermal and I want to start hiking, 720 00:38:27,862 --> 00:38:30,000 Um, just at least to the base here. 721 00:38:31,586 --> 00:38:33,448 I know a lot of people talked about evidence 722 00:38:33,482 --> 00:38:35,724 that something is built underground. 723 00:38:35,758 --> 00:38:37,000 Why don't we put up the drone? 724 00:38:40,413 --> 00:38:42,241 [drone whizzing] 725 00:38:45,655 --> 00:38:50,068 Well, this is just really cool to be up around here and looking around, umm. 726 00:38:50,103 --> 00:38:53,034 We should see the radio towers here in just a second way. 727 00:38:53,068 --> 00:38:55,931 There we go. Okay, so here's- Here's our radio towers. 728 00:38:55,965 --> 00:39:00,620 [Narrator] On top of the mountain is the Jicarilla Apache owned radio towers. 729 00:39:00,655 --> 00:39:03,137 According to Avery, they're unmanned. 730 00:39:03,172 --> 00:39:04,689 There's no sign of anyone up there. 731 00:39:04,724 --> 00:39:08,379 There's no vehicles, which is like we said. 732 00:39:08,413 --> 00:39:13,172 Now what I was hearing from people is that you pan around the other side, 733 00:39:13,206 --> 00:39:18,000 That's where they're seeing lights. So, a base could be anywhere in there. 734 00:39:18,034 --> 00:39:21,310 It's-It's pretty secluded coming up from that side, 735 00:39:21,344 --> 00:39:23,827 and as we found out, at certain times of the year 736 00:39:23,862 --> 00:39:25,793 really kind of treacherous coming up this way. 737 00:39:25,827 --> 00:39:26,896 Yes. 738 00:39:26,931 --> 00:39:29,103 I mean, that's the idea. 739 00:39:29,137 --> 00:39:32,758 I also have a thermal camera that it's pretty cold out, 740 00:39:32,793 --> 00:39:37,172 So anything that might be giving off heat like a vent might show up in the thermals. 741 00:39:37,206 --> 00:39:39,793 [Narrator] Despite scanning around the entire Mesa, 742 00:39:39,827 --> 00:39:42,068 Ben doesn't see the hole or entrance. 743 00:39:42,103 --> 00:39:44,172 But, if the government had a part to play 744 00:39:44,206 --> 00:39:46,896 in building a jointly operated underground base, 745 00:39:46,931 --> 00:39:50,206 Ben suspects the entrance is well hidden. 746 00:39:50,241 --> 00:39:53,482 [BEN] The people being harassed by the military or anyone, while they're up here? 747 00:39:53,517 --> 00:39:55,827 Was just being told a story about that... 748 00:39:55,862 --> 00:39:57,965 A couple of friends are up here, 749 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,793 and military pulled up on them. They told 'em to get off the mountain, 750 00:40:00,827 --> 00:40:02,448 and they followed them down. 751 00:40:02,482 --> 00:40:05,689 It's almost one of those situations where you want to demand their credentials. 752 00:40:05,724 --> 00:40:08,241 "Under what authority are you kicking me out of here?" 753 00:40:08,275 --> 00:40:11,862 Probably the authority of that AR-15 pointing at ya! [laughs] 754 00:40:13,551 --> 00:40:16,241 [Ben] So I'm going to record on thermal. 755 00:40:16,275 --> 00:40:19,310 So, you can see right here, the top of the mountain 756 00:40:19,344 --> 00:40:21,965 is actually twenty degrees Fahrenheit. 757 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,827 So I'm imagining anything that's, you know, ventilating 758 00:40:26,862 --> 00:40:29,586 heat or air from the facility down below is going to show up 759 00:40:30,379 --> 00:40:31,724 Look at this. 760 00:40:31,758 --> 00:40:32,827 You've got 21 degrees. 761 00:40:32,862 --> 00:40:34,517 That's the hillside itself. 762 00:40:34,551 --> 00:40:36,862 Fahrenheit, okay. Yellow and the 763 00:40:36,896 --> 00:40:39,931 lighter colors here are going to be hot, so red 764 00:40:39,965 --> 00:40:41,862 is going to be the hottest. 765 00:40:41,896 --> 00:40:43,965 Look at the red area coming off the top of the ridge. 766 00:40:44,413 --> 00:40:46,103 [AVERY] Wow! 767 00:40:46,137 --> 00:40:48,172 -It's to the left of the towers. -[AVERY] Yes. 768 00:40:48,206 --> 00:40:52,034 [BEN] It looks like it's coming, like right up off the ridge is hot. 769 00:40:52,068 --> 00:40:55,241 You see the top of the ridge is like spilling out, 770 00:40:55,275 --> 00:40:58,620 -[Avery] Yeah, like, a hot air balloon. -Yeah, exactly. 771 00:40:58,655 --> 00:41:02,827 [Ben] That red area is growing and growing is coming out of the ridge. 772 00:41:03,172 --> 00:41:04,310 Wow. 773 00:41:04,344 --> 00:41:05,172 What is that? 774 00:41:08,275 --> 00:41:12,310 But why is that bridge so much warmer than the surrounding? 775 00:41:12,344 --> 00:41:14,413 Something has to be causing that heat. 776 00:41:14,448 --> 00:41:19,172 Is it possible that the heat is coming from something that is venting 777 00:41:19,206 --> 00:41:21,896 from underground, like a facility? 778 00:41:21,931 --> 00:41:25,034 [Man] Sorry, I don't want to break the fourth wall, but look at this. 779 00:41:25,068 --> 00:41:29,034 [Narrator] Ben has discovered some truly compelling evidence of an underground base. 780 00:41:29,068 --> 00:41:33,172 But as the sun goes down, he and Avery need to get off the mountain. 781 00:41:33,206 --> 00:41:35,379 [Ben] People talk about it being remote here. 782 00:41:35,413 --> 00:41:38,137 Difficult to get up to, especially this time of year. 783 00:41:38,172 --> 00:41:41,965 But I could see if you were to build a secret base, 784 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,379 this would be the ideal location. 785 00:41:47,172 --> 00:41:50,655 you know, the Dulce Papers are quite controversial. 786 00:41:50,689 --> 00:41:54,137 But, after talking to a lot of witnesses who claim 787 00:41:54,172 --> 00:41:56,862 to have seen aircraft coming out of the mouth, 788 00:41:58,379 --> 00:42:01,413 there might be some sort of facility here. 789 00:42:02,793 --> 00:42:04,758 So much of this corner of New Mexico remains 790 00:42:04,793 --> 00:42:08,827 shrouded in mystery, but it's clearly a UFO hot spot, 791 00:42:08,862 --> 00:42:11,413 and it's secrets won't stay buried forever. 66423

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