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MAN: That is insane.
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NARRATOR:
The Phoenix Lights event of 1997
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is the largest mass UFO sighting
in our nation's history.
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I saw 6 lights
over the airport
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in absolute uniform,
in a V-shape.
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It's unidentified, they're
flying, and it's 6 objects.
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NARRATOR:
But it's not the first time
this has happened.
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WOMAN: I see the light
on either side.
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NARRATOR:
The government claims these
UFOs were not extraterrestrial
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and have come up with countless
dubious explanations
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for the lights.
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Swamp gas. It's insulting
to anybody's intelligence.
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Why is the government
covering up these sightings?
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Do visitors from outer space
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pose a threat
to our national security?
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There's the government
you see,
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then there's
the shadow government.
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Whoa!
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♪♪
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I'm Ben Hansen,
a former federal agent.
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My grandfather worked at a
highly classified Air Force base
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and convinced me we are not
alone in the universe.
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Then I had my own encounter
that changed my life forever.
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MARSH:
Welcome to UFO country.
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HANSEN: Now I've gained access
to a top secret archive
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from Project Blue Book...
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This planet has been under
surveillance for centuries.
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HANSEN: ...containing reports
of over 10,000 UFO sightings
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investigated
by the US government.
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We could very well be standing
on the exact place
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where a UFO crashed.
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My mission is
to uncover the truth.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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♪♪
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I'm in Phoenix, Arizona,
on my way to meet a woman
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who recently took some video
of some extraordinary UFO lights
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in the skies.
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The sighting
happened in 2019,
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but there's been strange
activity here for over 60 years.
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And eyewitnesses are convinced
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these lights
are not of this world.
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Dr. Lynne.
So good to see you.
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I hear that you had
a really impressive sighting.
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It was right in this area.
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I was home, this is before
7 o'clock, and it was dark.
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And I'm sitting
in front of the TV.
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The lights
started to flicker.
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And then those lights went out,
and the TV went off.
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I saw huge balls
of amber light...
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...like nothing
you've ever seen before.
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So I grabbed my camera,
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and I started
photographing them.
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Can I see the photos
that you took?
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Absolutely. First one
and then another pop up.
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So there were 4
altogether.
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Yeah, I see there's 4.
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NARRATOR:
The lights all appeared
in a line, a formation,
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as if they were connected
to a singular craft.
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They were so unusual
technology wise.
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It seemed that there was
an intelligence behind them.
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And I noticed an eerie silence,
as if time had stopped.
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It felt like something
was watching me.
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Wow.
It was extraordinary.
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Were you seeing any lights,
like, from aircraft
in the area?
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They were planes coming in
to the airport,
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Sky Harbor International
Airport, at the same time.
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So we compare this,
which we know is a plane.
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Look how bright these are.
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Quite different
from any plane.
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So you have video
of this, as well?
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I do.
This is the video.
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Oh, wow.
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NARRATOR: The video also shows
the bright lights in formation
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hovering in place.
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They are too close to each other
to be helicopters
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and too bright to be drones.
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You got something
really impressive, like,
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just hovering out there.
Exactly.
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NARRATOR: But there's more.
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This is not the first time
Dr. Kitei has seen UFOs
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in the Arizona skies.
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Almost 25 years ago,
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Dr. Kitei filmed what has become
known as the Phoenix Lights.
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I've been seeing these phenomena
since March 13, 1997.
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NARRATOR: among Ufologists,
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the Phoenix lights have become
one of the most iconic
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UFO videos ever filmed.
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20,000 citizens reported seeing
the strange object
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pictured in Dr. Kitei's video.
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They described it as a mile-
wide, triangle-shaped craft
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with 6 distinct lights.
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It crossed roughly
300 miles of airspace,
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with reports coming in
from Phoenix to Tucson.
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And one of the witnesses
turned out to be a famous actor.
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One of the private pilots
happened to be Kurt Russell.
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I saw 6 lights
over the airport
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in absolute uniform,
in a V-shape,
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and I reported it.
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And they said,
"We're not painting anything.
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We don't show anything."
I said, "Well, okay.
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I'm going to declare
it's unidentified,
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it's flying,
and it's 6 objects."
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That was the most viewed
UFO event.
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Over 20,000 people saw that.
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Thousands of people?
What's going on?
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It could possibly be,
I think,
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the greatest mass sighting
in our country's history.
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And you had a front row seat.
I did.
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NARRATOR:
With so many witnesses
to this event,
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the government was forced
to investigate,
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bringing about what is believed
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to be one of the greatest
UFO cover-ups in history.
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They claim the lights were not
attached to an alien aircraft,
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but were simply flares set off
during a military exercise.
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When they had to come out
with something,
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they came out
with the flare theory.
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Flares drift
haphazardly with the wind,
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have huge smoke trails.
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It was bizarre.
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The next morning,
headlines.
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That's really
disappointing.
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"Phoenix Lights
are flares."
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It's like they bit it
hook, line, and sinker,
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and said, "This is what
the military says.
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This is what
we're going with."
Exactly.
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Military flares leave behind
prominent smoke trails
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as they fall,
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which rules them out
as a suspect.
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But others saw
the static hovering lights.
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Dr. Kitei has assembled
a group of witnesses
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to the 1997 Phoenix Lights
event.
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Fearing retaliation,
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a few have asked
to remain anonymous.
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Wow.
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Thank you guys
for coming here.
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I understand you're all
witnesses to the
Phoenix Lights.
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What did you feel like
when they come out
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with this official explanation
in the newspapers
-- flares?
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It's interesting
you say that.
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My father fought in the I corps
area in Vietnam in '68 and '69.
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He concurred
the same thing you said --
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aviation flares,
they drop slowly.
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Well, do you think we could all
agree then what
it was not?
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These were not flares,
right?
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MAN: They were not
lanterns either.
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They were not lanterns.
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They were not
conventional craft.
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They were silent.
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So if it wasn't that,
the alternative is...
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...it's from somewhere else.
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NARRATOR:
2 of the eyewitnesses claim
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they had close encounters
with the 1997 UFO.
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Right.
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I saw the same thing.
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Where did you witness it?
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I was on I-60.
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I was driving home
from work.
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And I saw this huge
boomerang-shaped craft
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flying towards me.
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[ Brakes screech ]
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I slammed on the brakes.
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I jumped out of my truck
as it came up over me.
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It was about 30 feet
over my head.
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And I remember thinking
I could hit this with a rock.
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30 feet?
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NARRATOR:
David was paralyzed in fear
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as the large imposing UFO flew
right above his head.
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PARKER:
It was gunmetal gray
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and there was, like,
thousands and thousands
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of thumbprints in it.
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It just meandered,
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this huge craft that took up
70% of the horizon.
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So from you being 30 feet
under, how wide would
it make it?
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My guess was a mile
to a mile and a half.
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Whoa.
From tip to tip.
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But there was no one else
around.
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I looked because
I wanted to have some validation
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for what I saw,
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but the nearest light,
I could easily see right into.
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And out of that poured
what looked like lava.
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And as it poured down
about 4 to 6 feet,
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it stopped.
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And then it went right
back up in,
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and then more would come down.
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And I remember thinking,
"I'm going to get burned,"
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because I was that close to it.
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But there was no heat,
and there was no sound.
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And I stood there, and as it
passed by -- and I watched it
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till it went out of sight --
I just started crying.
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It was overwhelming,
and that has stuck with me
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from that day, from that moment.
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Wow.
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We got over 700 people
calling.
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We went out to try to
disinform people.
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From there, it was chaos.
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[ Whoosh ]
Whoa!
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NARRATOR:
Ben Hansen is investigating
the Phoenix Lights,
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a UFO sighting in Arizona
seen by over 20,000 people.
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The government dismissed
the lights as military flares
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despite thousands
of eyewitness accounts
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describing a massive
flying craft.
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I think we can all agree
that what it was not --
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these were not flares.
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Could the lights have been
visitors from another world?
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And if so,
what do they want with us?
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To find out about any other
mass UFO sightings
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in American history,
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Ben is headed to
the Center for UFO Studies
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to talk with
historian Mark O'Connell.
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So, Ben.
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I have talked to
so many witnesses
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who saw the Phoenix Lights.
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You know, it was 1997.
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There were thousands of people
who saw the triangle.
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I talked to people
who saw this thing
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as close as 30 feet
above their head.
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PARKER:
And as it passed by,
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and I watched it till
it went out of sight.
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I just started crying.
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Oh.
None of it made sense.
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All I know for certain
is I believe
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that there was
a disinformation campaign.
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I'm baffled,
and I want to know,
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does this type of thing
have precedence?
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Has there been other cases
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where there's been
a mass UFO sighting,
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and the government is
so adeptly able to come in
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and just take over
and silence them?
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Let me show you a file
that I've been looking at.
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Alright.
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This is the official
Michigan '66 flap.
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Swamp gas flap.
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NARRATOR: Dr. J. Allen Hynek
was the lead scientific adviser
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to Project Blue Book,
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a government-funded
investigation
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of the nation's UFO sightings
from 1952 to 1969.
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According to Mark, in 1966,
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the Air Force sent Dr. Hynek
to Dexter, Michigan,
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a small town
outside of Ann Arbor.
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There, he investigated reports
of a UFO seen by a farmer,
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Frank Mannor, and his son, Ron.
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There are a lot of parallels
between the Phoenix Lights
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and the infamous
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Dexter, Michigan,
"swamp gas" sightings --
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dozens of witnesses,
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the government
getting involved
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in strange
and misleading ways.
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So here's a recording of
an interview with Frank Mannor,
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who was one of
the witnesses.
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[ Click ]
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We were watching television,
and we have 6 dogs here,
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and they started
raising a fuss.
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[ Door creaks open,
dogs barking ]
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I went outside on the porch.
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I looked to the north,
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and it looked like
a fallen star coming down.
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I looked at it, and I thought
I was seeing things,
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and a blue and a white light
come on it.
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Narrator:
Frank and Ron weren't the only
ones to witness the lights
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hovering above the swamp
near his farm in Dexter.
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In the neighboring town
of Hillsdale,
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college students also reported
seeing a flying saucer
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with 3 lights in a row,
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much like the Phoenix Lights
of 1997.
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When I saw it,
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I just wanted to stay there
and keep my eyes glued to it.
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I couldn't leave.
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♪♪
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Well, when I was looking out
the window,
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I saw what looked
to be shaped like a pie.
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I could see the lights
on either side.
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And then the red light
was sort of casting a glow
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over the whole thing.
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It becomes a huge,
huge national headline,
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much like
the Phoenix Lights did, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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I mean,
Air Force hates it
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when a UFO story
becomes too big.
Yeah.
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So what does
the Air Force do?
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They send
Hynek to Michigan.
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He interviews
the Mannor family.
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But get this, he's getting
pressure from his boss
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to make this case
go away quickly.
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Everybody wants Hynek to say
"Spaceships! Little green men."
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And instead, he says
"What these witnesses describe
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could have been
swamp gas."
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NARRATOR:
The official explanation --
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swamp gas.
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Flares caused by
the burning of gases
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bubbling up
from the area swamp.
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[ Click ]
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Mr. Mannor, the farmer,
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the lights they saw were
localized to the swamp area.
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When a spring thaw comes
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and the gases can bubble up
from below and get released,
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the gases
can ignite spontaneously,
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and they flicker
all over the place.
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They'll flicker in one place
and then go out
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and suddenly appear
someplace else,
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which gives
the illusion of motion.
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[ Click ]
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Everybody just went crazy
when he said "swamp gas."
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But none of it
really adds up.
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The country's
leading UFO expert
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just said everybody in Michigan
is an idiot
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who can't tell swamp gas
from a flying saucer.
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So that's kind of along
the lines of Phoenix.
Right.
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It was really
the defining moment
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in Dr. Hynek's career.
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So, the government's going
to say it was
swamp gas.
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Can we prove
that it wasn't?
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There's a lot
of witness testimony.
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I'd actually like to see if any
of these people are still alive.
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I think the more you dig,
the more you'll find evidence
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that the Air Force, of course,
during the Blue Book days,
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but even beyond that,
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that the Air Force
has really been up to no good.
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It's a little bit
disturbing.
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♪♪
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HANSEN:
I'm in Dexter, Michigan,
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on my way to see
Sheriff Harvey now.
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Sheriff Harvey
has long since retired,
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but in 1966,
he was the sheriff in charge
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when Dr. Hynek was sent
to investigate the Dexter UFO.
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♪♪
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Sheriff Harvey,
pleasure to meet you.
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I'm so excited to talk to you
about this case
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because it's been
one of those iconic cases
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I read about as a kid,
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and I hope that you can kind of
fill in some blanks
for me,
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get to the bottom of this.
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I will do my utmost.
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I have some of
the original documents
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that might help jog
your memory.
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First of all, if I could take
you back now
to 1966.
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I was a young sheriff,
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the second-youngest sheriff
in the state of Michigan.
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At that time, there was
one sighting after another
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in Dexter.
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I understand you spent
a lot of time
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with Dr. Hynek
when he came into town.
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I'd never heard of
Professor Hynek.
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Didn't know who he was.
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But I knew that, you know,
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he'd have to be
somebody important.
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My curiosity
got the best of me,
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and I said, "Dr. Hynek,
what have we got?"
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And I remember him
saying to me, "I don't know."
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♪♪
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I found that very strange,
you know?
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Uh-huh.
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When we got back
to my office,
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he said,
"I got to call Washington."
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That stuck with me
so much --
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"I got to call Washington."
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Okay.
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♪♪
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He was in there
for quite a while.
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♪♪
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And he came out,
"Professor, what have we got?
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What do we got?"
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He said, "It's swamp gas."
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I'd like to died.
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Swamp gas.
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So he was pretty definitive
about this?
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Oh, boy. Yes.
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You know, it didn't take
an idiot to figure it out.
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I get a call from Washington,
and Washington is saying,
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"You better say
it's swamp gas.
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Get your butt out of there
and come on back to Washington."
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You think about that
for a minute. He had no idea.
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But then when he makes
a call to Washington,
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all of a sudden, he comes out
with, "It's swamp gas."
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How frustrating.
Wow.
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Yes. I was disgusted.
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What is swamp gas?
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I've never seen it.
Yeah.
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Insulting to anybody's
intelligence.
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I think we'd have come up
with something better than that.
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NARRATOR:
But there's more.
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Sheriff Harvey has never
before revealed information,
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something that doesn't appear
in any of Dr. Hynek's
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Project Blue Book reports.
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Hours before the news conference
and Hynek's call to Washington,
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Sheriff Harvey and Dr. Hynek
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visited the swamp
on Frank Mannor's farm
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and found something.
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♪♪
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We got to the Mannor farm.
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Dr. Hynek
got out of the car.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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And in the back field,
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the grass was down
in, like, a circle.
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It was matted down,
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you know, like something
just laid on it.
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That's not in
any of the reports.
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Is it possible
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that Hynek
purposely left that out?
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♪♪
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♪♪
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NARRATOR: In 1966,
dozens of citizens reported
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seeing the same strange lights
fly through Dexter, Michigan,
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only for authorities to dismiss
the mass UFO sighting
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as swamp gas.
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Did the government
cover up the truth, and why?
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Ben Hansen is meeting
with a former Dexter sheriff
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who, with Dr. Hynek,
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saw what looked like the landing
spot of a UFO at a local farm.
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HARVEY:
And Dr. Hynek walked
right up to it.
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It's not in
any of the reports.
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I don't see
any mention of it.
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So is it possible that Hynek
purposely left that out?
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♪♪
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He left out what you had seen
with him -- the depression.
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I know that I'd seen it.
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So did Hynek --
he went up to it.
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To Sheriff Harvey,
the possibility
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that a UFO landed here
is real.
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Sheriff Harvey,
the college students,
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Frank Mannor and his son Ron,
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all either saw the UFO
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or direct evidence
of its presence.
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And Ron Mannor is still alive
and willing to talk about it.
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I'm on my way to talk
to Ron Mannor.
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Now, Ron and his dad, Frank,
are the family
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that witnessed the object
hovering over the swamp.
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Ron was 18 at the time.
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I don't think he's actually
talked about it since 1966.
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♪♪
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MANNOR: You must be Ben.
Come in.
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Nice to meet you.
Thank you so much.
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After all these years,
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this is still
one of the most iconic cases.
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You have so many witnesses,
an incredible event,
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and then the government
steps in and says,
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"You know, that wasn't
what it was.
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It wasn't what you guys
experienced."
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So, could you kind of
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just take me back
to that evening?
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I was on the back porch...
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♪♪
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...looking at the lights
down in the swamp.
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So we sat there
and watched it for a while.
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I told my dad,
It shouldn't be there,
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but let's go see
what it is."
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So we walked down there.
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And you could see lights.
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There were 3 lights --
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an amber one, a red one,
and a blue one.
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♪♪
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Did they move
independently?
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No.
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I would have thought if it
was 3 different lights,
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00:22:06,482 --> 00:22:08,586
it would probably
have moved,
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00:22:08,586 --> 00:22:10,551
something would have --
Changed out of position.
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Yeah,
you would have thought.
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So, it's possible that it was
part of one structure.
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NARRATOR:
Ron thinks it's possible
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the lights were attached
to one UFO,
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just like the Phoenix lights.
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And so, couldn't get
a real good look at it,
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so I suggested we get up
on this big hill
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so we could look down
in the swamp.
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So, we got over there,
and when we looked back,
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the lights were gone
from there.
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♪♪
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And then they send out
Dr. Hynek.
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He spoke
with your father.
482
00:22:44,482 --> 00:22:47,586
So then Dr. Hynek
makes this press release,
483
00:22:47,586 --> 00:22:50,862
and he says that
it's swamp gas.
484
00:22:50,862 --> 00:22:52,482
What did your dad
feel like
485
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when Hynek came out
and said that?
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I think he felt
a little betrayed,
487
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you know, like they were just
making him
look bad.
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00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,689
Well, I know
it's a real phenomenon,
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but do you think
it's at all possible
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that what you
and your father saw
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was swamp gas?
492
00:23:06,275 --> 00:23:07,655
Not possible.
493
00:23:07,655 --> 00:23:09,793
Not with three distinct,
different lights.
494
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No, not a chance.
495
00:23:11,068 --> 00:23:13,275
Not a chance?
No.
496
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With Hynek's burning swamp gas
story looking unlikely,
497
00:23:18,965 --> 00:23:21,344
Ben comes up with an idea.
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With Ron's permission
to access the property,
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he heads to the swamp
to conduct an experiment.
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Does methane gas
rising from the swamp
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burn and give off
different colors?
502
00:23:32,241 --> 00:23:35,275
And if so, will the flames
rise up high enough
503
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to be mistaken for bright lights
on a flying object?
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♪♪
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This is really cool to be here.
506
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You can see it's a little bit
frozen over.
507
00:23:50,379 --> 00:23:54,793
To think a UFO could have
been here back in 1966.
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♪♪
509
00:23:57,172 --> 00:24:00,379
NARRATOR:
Joining him at the site
is a pyrotechnics expert
510
00:24:00,379 --> 00:24:03,000
who will help Ben recreate
the swamp gas
511
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,068
that Dr. Hynek alleged
in his report.
512
00:24:06,068 --> 00:24:10,172
Can't say that I've ever tried
to make swamp gas before.
513
00:24:10,172 --> 00:24:12,896
WHITE: I've seen it once
down in Louisiana.
514
00:24:12,896 --> 00:24:15,275
Oh, really?
Yeah,
in a pure accident.
515
00:24:15,275 --> 00:24:19,758
Alright. So the water here,
it's a little bit iced over.
516
00:24:19,758 --> 00:24:22,172
I need to get far enough in
to submerge this whole thing.
517
00:24:22,172 --> 00:24:23,241
Whoa! Okay.
518
00:24:23,241 --> 00:24:25,379
Well, now we know
how deep it is.
519
00:24:25,379 --> 00:24:28,379
[ Sniffs ]
And it stinks, Schuyler.
520
00:24:28,379 --> 00:24:30,896
Yeah. Oh, yeah. We definitely
will have some methane.
521
00:24:30,896 --> 00:24:32,758
You can see the bubbles
already flowing.
Oh, yeah.
522
00:24:32,758 --> 00:24:34,275
Look at the bubbles
already flowing.
523
00:24:34,275 --> 00:24:36,448
There it goes.
There it goes.
524
00:24:36,448 --> 00:24:37,758
Yeah, see?
525
00:24:37,758 --> 00:24:40,655
I can feel the pressure
building up against my thumb.
526
00:24:40,655 --> 00:24:43,689
Methane is flammable.
Mm-hmm.
527
00:24:43,689 --> 00:24:47,344
Any ideas of how it
spontaneously combusts?
528
00:24:47,344 --> 00:24:50,551
It would have to be like
a spark from an ember.
529
00:24:50,551 --> 00:24:51,344
Can it be lightning?
530
00:24:51,344 --> 00:24:53,034
Lightning
hitting a tree.
531
00:24:53,034 --> 00:24:54,482
Almost there.
532
00:24:54,482 --> 00:24:56,172
Here we go.
533
00:24:56,172 --> 00:24:58,275
Alright, I feel
the pressure building up.
534
00:24:58,275 --> 00:25:00,689
Thinking maybe we should
just give it a try.
535
00:25:00,689 --> 00:25:01,689
Are you ready?
536
00:25:01,689 --> 00:25:02,896
So, you go ahead
and light it.
537
00:25:02,896 --> 00:25:06,275
3, 2, 1.
-Take a step back.
538
00:25:06,275 --> 00:25:06,724
[ Whoosh ]
Whoa!
539
00:25:11,448 --> 00:25:13,103
NARRATOR: In 1966,
540
00:25:13,103 --> 00:25:17,034
witnesses claimed they saw a UFO
with 3 bright lights
541
00:25:17,034 --> 00:25:19,103
flying over Dexter, Michigan.
542
00:25:19,103 --> 00:25:20,862
Dr. J. Allen Hynek,
543
00:25:20,862 --> 00:25:23,379
the UFO investigator
for the Air Force's
544
00:25:23,379 --> 00:25:25,379
top secret Project Blue Book,
545
00:25:25,379 --> 00:25:29,551
claimed the lights came
from burning swamp gas fires.
546
00:25:29,551 --> 00:25:32,000
Ben Hansen is conducting
an experiment
547
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,793
to prove Dr. Hynek wrong.
548
00:25:34,793 --> 00:25:36,379
HANSEN: So you go ahead
and light it.
549
00:25:36,379 --> 00:25:38,896
3, 2, 1.
550
00:25:38,896 --> 00:25:40,862
[ Whoosh ]
Whoa!
551
00:25:40,862 --> 00:25:43,551
That would freak me out
if I was in the swamp.
552
00:25:43,551 --> 00:25:44,586
WHITE:
[ Laughing ] Yeah.
553
00:25:44,586 --> 00:25:46,586
I would never report that
as a UFO,
554
00:25:46,586 --> 00:25:49,379
but I would be hightailing it
out of there, that's for sure.
555
00:25:49,379 --> 00:25:53,862
This is exactly what
would happen with swamp gas.
556
00:25:53,862 --> 00:25:55,793
And see,
that's the problem I have
557
00:25:55,793 --> 00:25:59,551
with the official
explanation of this incident.
558
00:25:59,551 --> 00:26:01,137
A lot of witnesses
were reporting this
559
00:26:01,137 --> 00:26:04,689
up to 500 feet above,
or maybe a thousand feet.
560
00:26:04,689 --> 00:26:06,551
That's ridiculous.
561
00:26:06,551 --> 00:26:08,793
The Mannors, the Hillsdale
College students,
562
00:26:08,793 --> 00:26:11,379
and numerous other
Dexter residents all stated
563
00:26:11,379 --> 00:26:16,758
they saw 3 fixed, distinct
lights of different colors.
564
00:26:16,758 --> 00:26:17,896
There were 3 lights --
565
00:26:17,896 --> 00:26:21,172
an amber one,
a red one, and a blue one.
566
00:26:21,172 --> 00:26:23,172
In fact,
Sheriff Harvey's deputies
567
00:26:23,172 --> 00:26:26,379
claim to have chased the craft
down a country road.
568
00:26:26,379 --> 00:26:30,896
MAN:
It moved very rapidly in any
direction it wanted to go.
569
00:26:30,896 --> 00:26:33,034
NARRATOR: None of their
descriptions comes close
570
00:26:33,034 --> 00:26:36,482
to the flames Ben has created
in this swamp.
571
00:26:36,482 --> 00:26:38,172
This is really intense.
572
00:26:38,172 --> 00:26:42,241
So we've reached
the max capacity of this effect,
573
00:26:42,241 --> 00:26:46,000
and yet we're still
so far beneath
574
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,275
what the witnesses
were saying as far as height,
575
00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:50,758
as far as different colors.
576
00:26:50,758 --> 00:26:52,793
Oh, yeah.
What we've just done
577
00:26:52,793 --> 00:26:54,241
is debunked the idea
578
00:26:54,241 --> 00:26:55,896
that this could be
swamp gas.
579
00:26:55,896 --> 00:26:59,896
Nature could not have created
what these witnesses saw.
580
00:26:59,896 --> 00:27:01,448
I'm firmly convinced
581
00:27:01,448 --> 00:27:04,862
that is not what
took place in 1966.
582
00:27:04,862 --> 00:27:07,965
Ben feels confident this proves
the government covered up
583
00:27:07,965 --> 00:27:12,172
the existence
of the Dexter UFO in 1966.
584
00:27:12,172 --> 00:27:16,275
But what about the
Phoenix Lights UFO of 1997?
585
00:27:16,275 --> 00:27:20,275
Can Ben prove The government
tried to cover that up, as well,
586
00:27:20,275 --> 00:27:22,482
that the lights were attached
to a UFO,
587
00:27:22,482 --> 00:27:26,862
and not caused by flares set off
during a military exercise?
588
00:27:26,862 --> 00:27:29,482
♪♪
589
00:27:29,482 --> 00:27:31,586
One local Arizona politician
590
00:27:31,586 --> 00:27:34,379
claims to have
valuable information.
591
00:27:34,379 --> 00:27:36,689
Frances Barwood
was a councilwoman
592
00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:38,793
at the time of the incident.
593
00:27:40,689 --> 00:27:41,965
Hi, you must be Frances.
594
00:27:41,965 --> 00:27:43,172
I am.
I'm Ben.
595
00:27:43,172 --> 00:27:44,896
Hi, Ben.
Nice to meet you.
596
00:27:44,896 --> 00:27:47,896
Thank you
for agreeing to meet with me.
597
00:27:47,896 --> 00:27:51,689
So, I talked to Dr. Kitei,
598
00:27:51,689 --> 00:27:55,586
and I was in a room
filled with people
599
00:27:55,586 --> 00:27:58,758
who have seen strange objects
and lights just recently
600
00:27:58,758 --> 00:28:02,586
and then also back in 1997
when the event
took place.
601
00:28:02,586 --> 00:28:04,758
Can you tell me
your journey
602
00:28:04,758 --> 00:28:07,586
through what happened
in your exploration,
603
00:28:07,586 --> 00:28:08,965
trying to find the truth?
604
00:28:08,965 --> 00:28:11,379
Well, I was approached
by a reporter,
605
00:28:11,379 --> 00:28:14,275
and he said he wanted to talk
to me about this object
606
00:28:14,275 --> 00:28:16,000
that went over Phoenix.
607
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,482
"Can you find out
if anybody's investigating?"
608
00:28:19,482 --> 00:28:23,275
Well, his article appeared
in Saturday's paper.
609
00:28:23,275 --> 00:28:26,172
And then I get into
the office on Monday,
610
00:28:26,172 --> 00:28:28,586
and my voicemail
was filled.
611
00:28:28,586 --> 00:28:29,689
Oh, wow.
612
00:28:29,689 --> 00:28:31,758
And it was, like --
this was overwhelming.
613
00:28:31,758 --> 00:28:36,000
I got like over 700
people calling.
614
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,862
And I started calling
them all back.
615
00:28:37,862 --> 00:28:40,275
And what was amazing to me,
616
00:28:40,275 --> 00:28:44,172
they were all
the same description.
617
00:28:44,172 --> 00:28:47,793
How many people that you know
can describe the
same thing,
618
00:28:47,793 --> 00:28:50,275
unless they actually
saw it?
Yeah.
619
00:28:50,275 --> 00:28:52,241
Each one of those people
I talked to
620
00:28:52,241 --> 00:28:54,034
was with many others.
621
00:28:54,034 --> 00:28:56,965
When you add it all up,
it's thousands.
622
00:28:56,965 --> 00:29:00,172
And so I asked
for an investigation.
623
00:29:00,172 --> 00:29:01,275
Okay.
624
00:29:01,275 --> 00:29:03,379
Councilwoman Barwood
took the formal steps
625
00:29:03,379 --> 00:29:06,172
to initiate a
government-backed investigation
626
00:29:06,172 --> 00:29:08,275
into the Phoenix Lights,
627
00:29:08,275 --> 00:29:11,482
but she was stonewalled by the
state's governor at the time,
628
00:29:11,482 --> 00:29:13,275
Fife Symington.
629
00:29:13,275 --> 00:29:16,793
I got this memo, and it said
this is a non-issue.
630
00:29:16,793 --> 00:29:18,586
They didn't want to
touch it.
631
00:29:18,586 --> 00:29:21,379
So odd. I don't know
why they would do that.
632
00:29:21,379 --> 00:29:24,172
After hitting a dead end
with the local politicians,
633
00:29:24,172 --> 00:29:25,862
Frances appealed to the public
634
00:29:25,862 --> 00:29:29,000
to apply pressure
to the government.
635
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,172
I told everybody to call
the governor's office
636
00:29:32,172 --> 00:29:34,172
because, you know,
he's the head of the state,
637
00:29:34,172 --> 00:29:36,034
he can maybe help.
638
00:29:36,034 --> 00:29:38,689
The flood of calls
couldn't be ignored,
639
00:29:38,689 --> 00:29:40,862
and the governor
had to make an announcement
640
00:29:40,862 --> 00:29:43,275
at an emergency
press conference.
641
00:29:43,275 --> 00:29:45,241
In response, I suggested
that it was time
642
00:29:45,241 --> 00:29:47,275
to end months
of speculation on the question.
643
00:29:47,275 --> 00:29:49,758
And he said, "And we caught
one of the perpetrators."
644
00:29:49,758 --> 00:29:51,344
Escort the accused into the room
645
00:29:51,344 --> 00:29:54,896
so that we may all look
upon the guilty party.
646
00:29:54,896 --> 00:29:56,551
You know,
this just goes to show
647
00:29:56,551 --> 00:29:58,379
that you guys
are entirely too serious.
648
00:29:58,379 --> 00:29:59,448
[ Laughter ]
649
00:29:59,448 --> 00:30:00,586
It was shocking to me.
650
00:30:00,586 --> 00:30:02,896
It's like they're making
a joke of this.
651
00:30:02,896 --> 00:30:05,000
I imagine this was
not funny at all
652
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,172
to the people
who actually witnessed --
653
00:30:07,172 --> 00:30:10,551
I've talked to people
who were within 30 feet of it
654
00:30:10,551 --> 00:30:12,896
and could see the details
of the craft.
655
00:30:12,896 --> 00:30:14,689
That is not funny.
656
00:30:14,689 --> 00:30:17,000
No, it's not.
657
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,000
And it was not like him
at all.
658
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,034
Fife has no sense of humor.
659
00:30:21,034 --> 00:30:24,379
There is no way that
he put that all together.
660
00:30:24,379 --> 00:30:25,689
I think he did it
661
00:30:25,689 --> 00:30:28,655
because they put
pressure on him.
662
00:30:30,103 --> 00:30:32,896
NARRATOR:
Like Dr. Hynek in 1966,
663
00:30:32,896 --> 00:30:35,000
it seems Governor Symington
was pressed
664
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,241
to deny the existence of UFOs.
665
00:30:38,241 --> 00:30:40,551
Councilwoman Barwood
was more convinced
666
00:30:40,551 --> 00:30:42,000
of the cover-up than ever.
667
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,344
And days later, she was
contacted by a local veteran
668
00:30:45,344 --> 00:30:48,482
who claimed to possess
irrefutable evidence.
669
00:30:48,482 --> 00:30:52,379
I got a phone call from a
man named Richard Curtis,
670
00:30:52,379 --> 00:30:56,689
and he said
he got this all on video.
671
00:30:56,689 --> 00:30:59,758
Unlike the video shot
by Dr. Lynne Kitei,
672
00:30:59,758 --> 00:31:03,482
which shows a group of lights
with no visible craft,
673
00:31:03,482 --> 00:31:06,586
Richard Curtis claimed
he recorded a detailed video
674
00:31:06,586 --> 00:31:10,344
that showed the lights
were part of one spacecraft.
675
00:31:10,344 --> 00:31:13,241
Richard promised to send a copy
of his video evidence
676
00:31:13,241 --> 00:31:15,000
to Frances' office.
677
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,344
But when he called back
a week later,
678
00:31:17,344 --> 00:31:20,965
it was clear someone
in the shadows had other plans.
679
00:31:20,965 --> 00:31:23,586
And he goes, "What did
you think of the video?"
680
00:31:23,586 --> 00:31:25,862
I says,
"I didn't get a video."
681
00:31:25,862 --> 00:31:29,034
He says, "Oh, well,
they came from your office."
682
00:31:29,034 --> 00:31:31,379
2 men claiming to be
from Frances' office
683
00:31:31,379 --> 00:31:35,965
convinced Richard to hand over
the only copy of the video.
684
00:31:35,965 --> 00:31:38,068
I don't have a man
working in my office.
685
00:31:38,068 --> 00:31:40,655
I have three women.
686
00:31:40,655 --> 00:31:42,379
Oh, my gosh.
687
00:31:42,379 --> 00:31:46,034
So I said, "Okay,
what did they look like?"
688
00:31:46,034 --> 00:31:48,689
"In 3 piece suits
with hats."
689
00:31:48,689 --> 00:31:53,000
Now, mind you, this is July.
It's 110 degrees out.
690
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,172
And so it was like,
oh, my goodness.
691
00:31:56,172 --> 00:31:59,137
Well, then Richard Curtis
got really sick
692
00:31:59,137 --> 00:32:01,068
and they took him out
by ambulance,
693
00:32:01,068 --> 00:32:03,689
and nobody's ever
seen him again.
694
00:32:03,689 --> 00:32:06,275
Nobody knows where he is?
No.
695
00:32:12,103 --> 00:32:14,137
NARRATOR:
Investigator Ben Hansen
is on a mission to prove
696
00:32:14,137 --> 00:32:16,241
that the government
covered up the existence
697
00:32:16,241 --> 00:32:20,172
of the 1966
Dexter, Michigan, UFO
698
00:32:20,172 --> 00:32:24,689
and the 1997
Phoenix, Arizona, Lights.
699
00:32:24,689 --> 00:32:27,896
In 1997, a man named
Richard Curtis
700
00:32:27,896 --> 00:32:30,379
claimed he recorded
a detailed video
701
00:32:30,379 --> 00:32:34,172
that showed the outline
of the Phoenix UFO.
702
00:32:34,172 --> 00:32:39,896
But he and the video
mysteriously disappeared.
703
00:32:39,896 --> 00:32:42,068
Nobody knows where he is?
No.
704
00:32:42,068 --> 00:32:44,689
Neighbors of his said
they changed his medication,
705
00:32:44,689 --> 00:32:45,896
he had a bad reaction,
706
00:32:45,896 --> 00:32:47,241
they had to take him
to the hospital,
707
00:32:47,241 --> 00:32:49,862
and he never came back.
708
00:32:49,862 --> 00:32:53,379
Do we know if he's in the
obituaries, if he's passed?
709
00:32:53,379 --> 00:32:55,862
Nothing,
no more information.
710
00:32:55,862 --> 00:32:59,275
And I'm thinking, "How did
they know he called me?"
711
00:32:59,275 --> 00:33:01,379
It was kind of creepy.
712
00:33:01,379 --> 00:33:04,000
According to Frances,
a private investigator
713
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,586
checked her home phone line
and made a shocking discovery.
714
00:33:07,586 --> 00:33:09,896
He said, "You have a tap
on your line.
715
00:33:09,896 --> 00:33:13,000
It's coming from the
government, federal government."
716
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,275
Are you serious?
717
00:33:14,275 --> 00:33:16,862
Somebody was tapping
your phone,
718
00:33:16,862 --> 00:33:20,655
intercepted a conversation
you had with a witness,
719
00:33:20,655 --> 00:33:21,758
and then showed up,
720
00:33:21,758 --> 00:33:24,000
saying that they were coming
in your behalf
721
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,068
to get possibly
the only clear video
722
00:33:27,068 --> 00:33:28,793
of the event
that's out there.
723
00:33:28,793 --> 00:33:30,758
Right.
724
00:33:30,758 --> 00:33:33,068
Do you have any idea
who these people might be,
725
00:33:33,068 --> 00:33:34,689
that...tapping your phone?
726
00:33:34,689 --> 00:33:36,965
Well, I was told
a long time ago
727
00:33:36,965 --> 00:33:38,482
that there's
the government you see,
728
00:33:38,482 --> 00:33:41,137
and there's
the shadow government.
729
00:33:41,137 --> 00:33:45,137
It's not elected officials.
It's not the hired officials.
730
00:33:45,137 --> 00:33:47,689
It's beyond that.
731
00:33:47,689 --> 00:33:50,275
But the question remains,
why is the government
732
00:33:50,275 --> 00:33:53,137
covering up
the existence of UFOs?
733
00:33:53,137 --> 00:33:55,482
Frances believes
they are afraid.
734
00:33:55,482 --> 00:33:59,448
Why do you harass
and wiretap
735
00:33:59,448 --> 00:34:03,241
and take away the evidence
from people who saw it?
736
00:34:03,241 --> 00:34:06,275
Because the government knows
that it's not them.
737
00:34:06,275 --> 00:34:07,758
That's my only theory.
738
00:34:07,758 --> 00:34:10,965
And so they're afraid
of losing power.
739
00:34:10,965 --> 00:34:12,689
Yeah.
740
00:34:13,793 --> 00:34:15,896
HANSEN: I believe that the
Phoenix Lights event
741
00:34:15,896 --> 00:34:19,275
was not only
a massive government cover-up
742
00:34:19,275 --> 00:34:20,793
but a smear campaign.
743
00:34:20,793 --> 00:34:23,482
Frances Barwood
led this whole crusade.
744
00:34:23,482 --> 00:34:25,275
Her phone was wiretapped.
745
00:34:25,275 --> 00:34:28,586
The government and whoever
the secret keepers are
746
00:34:28,586 --> 00:34:32,344
did a very effective job
in covering this up.
747
00:34:32,344 --> 00:34:35,586
♪♪
748
00:34:35,586 --> 00:34:38,000
NARRATOR: To uncover how
the conspirators deploy
749
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,103
and enact
their disinformation campaign,
750
00:34:41,103 --> 00:34:43,137
Ben arranges a sit down
with a man
751
00:34:43,137 --> 00:34:47,172
who recently identified himself
as a shadow government pawn
752
00:34:47,172 --> 00:34:52,793
who was consistently deployed
to cover up government secrets.
753
00:34:52,793 --> 00:34:55,068
Rick, thank you
for meeting me here.
754
00:34:55,068 --> 00:34:56,379
Someone had
a legit sighting.
755
00:34:56,379 --> 00:34:59,344
They wanted to dissuade
or distract the public.
756
00:34:59,344 --> 00:35:02,103
The person that they would
call to do that is you.
757
00:35:02,103 --> 00:35:04,172
It would be us,
special agents
758
00:35:04,172 --> 00:35:06,586
with Air Force Office
of Special Investigations,
759
00:35:06,586 --> 00:35:08,103
Counterintelligence Division.
760
00:35:08,103 --> 00:35:10,068
Wow. Okay.
761
00:35:10,068 --> 00:35:12,896
I was stationed
in Area 51 in the '80s.
762
00:35:12,896 --> 00:35:13,689
You were?
763
00:35:13,689 --> 00:35:15,379
I have a badge
to prove it.
764
00:35:15,379 --> 00:35:16,379
Wow.
765
00:35:16,379 --> 00:35:17,655
You don't think it
still works, do you?
766
00:35:17,655 --> 00:35:19,379
No, I don't think
it still works.
767
00:35:19,379 --> 00:35:22,000
The civilian sightings
were done
768
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,896
by Project Blue Book
investigators.
769
00:35:24,896 --> 00:35:29,000
But the real mysterious
cases were handled
770
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,000
by the Air Force Office
of Special Investigations.
771
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,172
If someone has
a legitimate UFO sighting
772
00:35:34,172 --> 00:35:38,103
and the government
comes in to discredit them,
773
00:35:38,103 --> 00:35:39,689
how do they go
about doing that?
774
00:35:39,689 --> 00:35:41,137
That was
part of our job.
775
00:35:41,137 --> 00:35:43,586
We went out and tried to
disinform people
776
00:35:43,586 --> 00:35:46,000
who have had
a UFO sighting.
777
00:35:46,896 --> 00:35:51,448
And there's manuals that govern
exactly how we
do that.
778
00:35:51,448 --> 00:35:55,482
It's actually written policy
how to go about doing this?
779
00:35:55,482 --> 00:35:57,793
Yes.
780
00:35:57,793 --> 00:36:00,793
And I have some information
here that will astound you.
781
00:36:00,793 --> 00:36:04,275
Wow, wow, 'cause
I've always suspected
782
00:36:04,275 --> 00:36:07,896
but I didn't know
that there was a playbook.
783
00:36:07,896 --> 00:36:09,379
There's a playbook.
784
00:36:09,379 --> 00:36:12,758
That manual in particular
dictates some other thing
785
00:36:12,758 --> 00:36:14,482
that the Air Force
can blame it on
786
00:36:14,482 --> 00:36:18,034
and exactly how we try
to discredit people.
Oh, my gosh.
787
00:36:18,034 --> 00:36:20,793
There are incidents
where the sighting
788
00:36:20,793 --> 00:36:21,896
was, in fact, a UFO.
789
00:36:21,896 --> 00:36:26,068
We knew it was not
from this earth.
790
00:36:26,068 --> 00:36:27,482
Extraterrestrial.
791
00:36:33,655 --> 00:36:35,448
NARRATOR:
Ben Hansen is meeting
with Rick Doty,
792
00:36:35,448 --> 00:36:38,103
a former agent
of the shadow government.
793
00:36:38,103 --> 00:36:40,896
He claims he was one of
the Air Force special agents
794
00:36:40,896 --> 00:36:45,344
sent out to cover up
the existence of UFOs.
795
00:36:45,344 --> 00:36:47,413
There are incidents
where the sighting
796
00:36:47,413 --> 00:36:48,655
was, in fact, a UFO.
797
00:36:48,655 --> 00:36:52,758
We knew it was not
from this earth.
798
00:36:52,758 --> 00:36:54,724
Extraterrestrial.
799
00:36:54,724 --> 00:36:57,103
Those particular sightings,
800
00:36:57,103 --> 00:36:59,103
we had to
disinform the public.
801
00:36:59,103 --> 00:37:00,448
We got to make
those people --
802
00:37:00,448 --> 00:37:02,724
make them think
that what they saw
803
00:37:02,724 --> 00:37:05,000
was something other
than a UFO,
804
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,896
such as Mars or Venus
or a swamp gas.
805
00:37:08,896 --> 00:37:10,137
That is incredible.
806
00:37:10,137 --> 00:37:12,103
I've been
investigating the case
807
00:37:12,103 --> 00:37:15,103
from 1966
in Dexter, Michigan.
808
00:37:15,103 --> 00:37:18,448
And a lot of people
there were made to believe
809
00:37:18,448 --> 00:37:21,724
that this incident
was nothing more than swamp gas.
810
00:37:21,724 --> 00:37:23,793
Do you think
the government was involved?
811
00:37:23,793 --> 00:37:26,896
Yes. Sounds like the government
was involved
in that.
812
00:37:26,896 --> 00:37:29,137
For example,
the Phoenix Lights,
813
00:37:29,137 --> 00:37:31,103
more recently -- 1997.
814
00:37:31,103 --> 00:37:33,620
They come out
and say flares.
815
00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:36,172
Do you see the same pattern
repeating here?
816
00:37:36,172 --> 00:37:37,862
Yes.
817
00:37:37,862 --> 00:37:41,206
There's a special unit,
and they're now classified
818
00:37:41,206 --> 00:37:42,586
as the men in black.
819
00:37:42,586 --> 00:37:46,344
These people are trained to go
out and collect intelligence
820
00:37:46,344 --> 00:37:48,379
in a very mysterious
manner.
821
00:37:48,379 --> 00:37:50,793
They were the master
of disguises.
822
00:37:50,793 --> 00:37:52,862
And then they'll
come in more secretly.
823
00:37:52,862 --> 00:37:55,000
They won't come in
824
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,206
spreading out their badges
and credentials.
825
00:37:58,206 --> 00:37:59,448
Are you familiar
826
00:37:59,448 --> 00:38:02,137
with a lot of the details
of the Dexter case?
827
00:38:02,137 --> 00:38:05,310
Yeah, I saw it
in a classified report, yes.
828
00:38:05,310 --> 00:38:08,310
Because I talked to Ron Mannor,
who's the son of Frank Mannor,
829
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:12,896
and both -- father, son --
saw this object.
830
00:38:12,896 --> 00:38:15,655
Is it possible that someone
came to his dad
831
00:38:15,655 --> 00:38:18,241
and kind of helped him
change his story?
832
00:38:18,241 --> 00:38:20,758
That sounds like something
OSI would do.
833
00:38:20,758 --> 00:38:22,275
[ Scoffs ]
834
00:38:22,275 --> 00:38:24,241
NARRATOR: Over time,
Frank Mannor's account
835
00:38:24,241 --> 00:38:26,896
of the Dexter UFO incident
changed,
836
00:38:26,896 --> 00:38:29,793
and the public lost faith
in his story.
837
00:38:29,793 --> 00:38:32,379
But is it possible
he was one of the victims
838
00:38:32,379 --> 00:38:35,724
of a government campaign
to hide the truth?
839
00:38:35,724 --> 00:38:37,344
I've investigated a lot
of incidents
840
00:38:37,344 --> 00:38:40,793
where I disinformed people
or disinform the public.
841
00:38:40,793 --> 00:38:42,517
I believed that
we had a mission
842
00:38:42,517 --> 00:38:44,896
and we were doing
what we were supposed to do
843
00:38:44,896 --> 00:38:46,000
and we were
protecting society.
844
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,482
We were protecting
the national defense.
845
00:38:48,482 --> 00:38:50,517
But the reason I come
and speak now
846
00:38:50,517 --> 00:38:53,206
is because I don't believe
that we did it right.
847
00:38:53,206 --> 00:38:55,862
There's this thread
of disinformation
848
00:38:55,862 --> 00:38:57,275
that is making it
very difficult
849
00:38:57,275 --> 00:39:00,310
for us to know what is true
and what is not.
850
00:39:00,310 --> 00:39:03,413
Why is the government
covering up these UFO sightings?
851
00:39:03,413 --> 00:39:05,103
They're not going to go
to the public
852
00:39:05,103 --> 00:39:06,413
and say, "You know what?
853
00:39:06,413 --> 00:39:08,758
We just had an incident in
Dexter, and it was
an unknown."
854
00:39:08,758 --> 00:39:10,034
Imagine what
the American people,
855
00:39:10,034 --> 00:39:11,586
especially people
around Dexter, would think.
856
00:39:11,586 --> 00:39:13,896
"Oh, my God,
are we being invaded?"
857
00:39:13,896 --> 00:39:16,000
They had to cover it up
as an unknown.
858
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,310
It's about time
the public knows.
859
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:21,310
They need to know.
They deserve to know.
860
00:39:21,310 --> 00:39:22,965
I thank you so much
for filling me in
861
00:39:22,965 --> 00:39:24,000
and giving me
these insights.
862
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,862
This is amazing.
863
00:39:25,862 --> 00:39:27,793
After hearing
Rick's disclosure,
864
00:39:27,793 --> 00:39:30,241
Ben decides to call
Frances Barwood
865
00:39:30,241 --> 00:39:33,206
and update her
with what he's uncovered.
866
00:39:33,206 --> 00:39:35,896
Frances, hi, it's Ben Hansen.
How are you doing?
867
00:39:35,896 --> 00:39:37,482
BARWOOD:
I'm doing good, Ben.
868
00:39:37,482 --> 00:39:40,413
I have some very interesting
information for you.
869
00:39:40,413 --> 00:39:43,241
Somebody who actually worked
for the Air Force,
870
00:39:43,241 --> 00:39:44,965
whose name is Rick Doty,
871
00:39:44,965 --> 00:39:47,586
Rick tells me that his job
872
00:39:47,586 --> 00:39:50,586
was to actually
contact witnesses
873
00:39:50,586 --> 00:39:52,793
who believed they had seen
UFO sightings
874
00:39:52,793 --> 00:39:56,103
and to discredit them
to the degree
875
00:39:56,103 --> 00:39:57,965
that they even
had them believing
876
00:39:57,965 --> 00:39:59,793
that they themselves
were crazy.
877
00:39:59,793 --> 00:40:03,482
I was just blown away
by his disclosure.
878
00:40:03,482 --> 00:40:05,137
How does that
make you feel?
879
00:40:26,896 --> 00:40:29,000
And that's what
I want to ask you.
880
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,172
What are they afraid of?
881
00:40:30,172 --> 00:40:31,379
You think the government
882
00:40:31,379 --> 00:40:34,413
believes that UFOs
are a national security threat?
883
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,793
Thank you so much
for your courage
884
00:40:55,793 --> 00:40:57,689
and your efforts in this
885
00:40:57,689 --> 00:40:59,551
and taking these witnesses
seriously
886
00:40:59,551 --> 00:41:01,620
and bringing
their statements forward.
887
00:41:01,620 --> 00:41:02,896
Thank you.
Alright.
888
00:41:02,896 --> 00:41:04,413
Talking with Frances Barwood
889
00:41:04,413 --> 00:41:06,482
and telling her
what Rick Doty said,
890
00:41:06,482 --> 00:41:09,344
it really brings
everything full-circle.
891
00:41:09,344 --> 00:41:11,965
I fully believe
that what she experienced
892
00:41:11,965 --> 00:41:14,689
with these men in black
and the video being taken
893
00:41:14,689 --> 00:41:17,000
and her phone being tapped
894
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,793
could possibly be exactly
the type of thing
895
00:41:19,793 --> 00:41:21,896
that Rick Doty was working on
with the Air Force
896
00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:23,310
in his special duties.
897
00:41:23,310 --> 00:41:27,000
This is what the government
does to cover up the UFO story.
898
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,413
[ Warbling ]
899
00:41:28,413 --> 00:41:31,655
We have seen this
decade after decade.
900
00:41:31,655 --> 00:41:34,896
If you go back from 1966
in Dexter, Michigan,
901
00:41:34,896 --> 00:41:37,068
to the '97
Phoenix Lights,
902
00:41:37,068 --> 00:41:39,172
till now, we've confirmed
903
00:41:39,172 --> 00:41:42,034
that the government
has provided disinformation...
904
00:41:42,034 --> 00:41:43,310
Swamp gas.
905
00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:45,655
...interfered
with the UFO investigations,
906
00:41:45,655 --> 00:41:47,137
tampered with the witnesses,
907
00:41:47,137 --> 00:41:49,241
and they're controlling
the media.
908
00:41:49,241 --> 00:41:52,965
The government comes out with
such a ridiculous explanation.
909
00:41:52,965 --> 00:41:54,586
[ Whoosh ]
Whoa!
910
00:41:54,586 --> 00:41:58,896
It insults the intelligence of
these very credible witnesses.
911
00:41:58,896 --> 00:42:01,379
There was a sense
of kind of a betrayal.
912
00:42:01,379 --> 00:42:03,551
And after all of this, for what?
913
00:42:03,551 --> 00:42:07,000
It's absolutely shocking,
it's disheartening,
914
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:07,068
and to think that it still might
be going on today.
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