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It's insulting to anybody's intelligence. 13 00:00:32,206 --> 00:00:35,000 Why is the government covering up these sightings? 14 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,689 Do visitors from outer space 15 00:00:36,689 --> 00:00:39,206 pose a threat to our national security? 16 00:00:39,206 --> 00:00:40,689 There's the government you see, 17 00:00:40,689 --> 00:00:42,517 then there's the shadow government. 18 00:00:42,517 --> 00:00:43,896 Whoa! 19 00:00:43,896 --> 00:00:46,413 ♪♪ 20 00:00:46,413 --> 00:00:49,103 I'm Ben Hansen, a former federal agent. 21 00:00:49,103 --> 00:00:52,310 My grandfather worked at a highly classified Air Force base 22 00:00:52,310 --> 00:00:55,172 and convinced me we are not alone in the universe. 23 00:00:55,172 --> 00:00:59,000 Then I had my own encounter that changed my life forever. 24 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,000 MARSH: Welcome to UFO country. 25 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,517 HANSEN: Now I've gained access to a top secret archive 26 00:01:03,517 --> 00:01:05,379 from Project Blue Book... 27 00:01:05,379 --> 00:01:10,689 This planet has been under surveillance for centuries. 28 00:01:10,689 --> 00:01:13,896 HANSEN: ...containing reports of over 10,000 UFO sightings 29 00:01:13,896 --> 00:01:16,000 investigated by the US government. 30 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,379 We could very well be standing on the exact place 31 00:01:18,379 --> 00:01:20,413 where a UFO crashed. 32 00:01:20,413 --> 00:01:24,172 My mission is to uncover the truth. 33 00:01:24,172 --> 00:01:33,517 ♪♪ 34 00:01:33,517 --> 00:01:38,000 ♪♪ 35 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,172 ♪♪ 36 00:01:40,172 --> 00:01:43,724 I'm in Phoenix, Arizona, on my way to meet a woman 37 00:01:43,724 --> 00:01:47,896 who recently took some video of some extraordinary UFO lights 38 00:01:47,896 --> 00:01:49,482 in the skies. 39 00:01:49,482 --> 00:01:51,275 The sighting happened in 2019, 40 00:01:51,275 --> 00:01:54,482 but there's been strange activity here for over 60 years. 41 00:01:55,379 --> 00:01:57,000 And eyewitnesses are convinced 42 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,896 these lights are not of this world. 43 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,586 Dr. Lynne. So good to see you. 44 00:02:03,586 --> 00:02:06,172 I hear that you had a really impressive sighting. 45 00:02:06,172 --> 00:02:07,379 It was right in this area. 46 00:02:09,275 --> 00:02:14,586 I was home, this is before 7 o'clock, and it was dark. 47 00:02:14,586 --> 00:02:17,413 And I'm sitting in front of the TV. 48 00:02:17,413 --> 00:02:20,103 The lights started to flicker. 49 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:27,103 And then those lights went out, and the TV went off. 50 00:02:27,103 --> 00:02:33,896 ♪♪ 51 00:02:33,896 --> 00:02:37,620 I saw huge balls of amber light... 52 00:02:39,482 --> 00:02:43,000 ...like nothing you've ever seen before. 53 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,206 So I grabbed my camera, 54 00:02:44,206 --> 00:02:47,000 and I started photographing them. 55 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,275 Can I see the photos that you took? 56 00:02:49,275 --> 00:02:52,206 Absolutely. First one and then another pop up. 57 00:02:52,206 --> 00:02:53,724 So there were 4 altogether. 58 00:02:53,724 --> 00:02:55,103 Yeah, I see there's 4. 59 00:02:55,103 --> 00:02:58,103 NARRATOR: The lights all appeared in a line, a formation, 60 00:02:58,103 --> 00:03:01,689 as if they were connected to a singular craft. 61 00:03:01,689 --> 00:03:04,206 They were so unusual technology wise. 62 00:03:04,206 --> 00:03:07,379 It seemed that there was an intelligence behind them. 63 00:03:07,379 --> 00:03:11,275 And I noticed an eerie silence, as if time had stopped. 64 00:03:13,103 --> 00:03:16,068 It felt like something was watching me. 65 00:03:16,068 --> 00:03:19,103 ♪♪ 66 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,896 Wow. It was extraordinary. 67 00:03:22,896 --> 00:03:27,586 Were you seeing any lights, like, from aircraft in the area? 68 00:03:27,586 --> 00:03:29,586 They were planes coming in to the airport, 69 00:03:29,586 --> 00:03:32,310 Sky Harbor International Airport, at the same time. 70 00:03:32,310 --> 00:03:35,275 So we compare this, which we know is a plane. 71 00:03:35,275 --> 00:03:37,275 Look how bright these are. 72 00:03:37,275 --> 00:03:39,482 Quite different from any plane. 73 00:03:39,482 --> 00:03:41,517 So you have video of this, as well? 74 00:03:41,517 --> 00:03:45,000 I do. This is the video. 75 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,586 Oh, wow. 76 00:03:47,586 --> 00:03:50,827 NARRATOR: The video also shows the bright lights in formation 77 00:03:50,827 --> 00:03:52,206 hovering in place. 78 00:03:52,206 --> 00:03:54,896 They are too close to each other to be helicopters 79 00:03:54,896 --> 00:03:57,689 and too bright to be drones. 80 00:03:57,689 --> 00:04:00,103 You got something really impressive, like, 81 00:04:00,103 --> 00:04:01,793 just hovering out there. Exactly. 82 00:04:01,793 --> 00:04:03,689 NARRATOR: But there's more. 83 00:04:03,689 --> 00:04:07,068 This is not the first time Dr. Kitei has seen UFOs 84 00:04:07,068 --> 00:04:09,068 in the Arizona skies. 85 00:04:09,068 --> 00:04:11,000 Almost 25 years ago, 86 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,482 Dr. Kitei filmed what has become known as the Phoenix Lights. 87 00:04:15,482 --> 00:04:20,000 I've been seeing these phenomena since March 13, 1997. 88 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,310 NARRATOR: among Ufologists, 89 00:04:21,310 --> 00:04:24,206 the Phoenix lights have become one of the most iconic 90 00:04:24,206 --> 00:04:26,827 UFO videos ever filmed. 91 00:04:26,827 --> 00:04:30,517 20,000 citizens reported seeing the strange object 92 00:04:30,517 --> 00:04:32,896 pictured in Dr. Kitei's video. 93 00:04:32,896 --> 00:04:36,482 They described it as a mile- wide, triangle-shaped craft 94 00:04:36,482 --> 00:04:38,517 with 6 distinct lights. 95 00:04:38,517 --> 00:04:41,586 It crossed roughly 300 miles of airspace, 96 00:04:41,586 --> 00:04:46,413 with reports coming in from Phoenix to Tucson. 97 00:04:46,413 --> 00:04:50,310 And one of the witnesses turned out to be a famous actor. 98 00:04:50,310 --> 00:04:53,379 One of the private pilots happened to be Kurt Russell. 99 00:04:53,379 --> 00:04:55,689 I saw 6 lights over the airport 100 00:04:55,689 --> 00:04:58,275 in absolute uniform, in a V-shape, 101 00:04:58,275 --> 00:04:59,379 and I reported it. 102 00:04:59,379 --> 00:05:01,000 And they said, "We're not painting anything. 103 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,827 We don't show anything." I said, "Well, okay. 104 00:05:02,827 --> 00:05:05,793 I'm going to declare it's unidentified, 105 00:05:05,793 --> 00:05:07,793 it's flying, and it's 6 objects." 106 00:05:07,793 --> 00:05:09,896 That was the most viewed UFO event. 107 00:05:09,896 --> 00:05:11,689 Over 20,000 people saw that. 108 00:05:11,689 --> 00:05:15,068 Thousands of people? What's going on? 109 00:05:15,068 --> 00:05:17,379 It could possibly be, I think, 110 00:05:17,379 --> 00:05:21,793 the greatest mass sighting in our country's history. 111 00:05:21,793 --> 00:05:24,206 And you had a front row seat. I did. 112 00:05:24,206 --> 00:05:26,586 NARRATOR: With so many witnesses to this event, 113 00:05:26,586 --> 00:05:29,000 the government was forced to investigate, 114 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,586 bringing about what is believed 115 00:05:30,586 --> 00:05:34,103 to be one of the greatest UFO cover-ups in history. 116 00:05:34,103 --> 00:05:37,793 They claim the lights were not attached to an alien aircraft, 117 00:05:37,793 --> 00:05:42,275 but were simply flares set off during a military exercise. 118 00:05:42,275 --> 00:05:44,379 When they had to come out with something, 119 00:05:44,379 --> 00:05:46,172 they came out with the flare theory. 120 00:05:46,172 --> 00:05:49,482 Flares drift haphazardly with the wind, 121 00:05:49,482 --> 00:05:50,793 have huge smoke trails. 122 00:05:50,793 --> 00:05:52,379 It was bizarre. 123 00:05:52,379 --> 00:05:54,068 The next morning, headlines. 124 00:05:54,068 --> 00:05:55,310 That's really disappointing. 125 00:05:55,310 --> 00:05:56,517 "Phoenix Lights are flares." 126 00:05:56,517 --> 00:05:58,586 It's like they bit it hook, line, and sinker, 127 00:05:58,586 --> 00:06:00,000 and said, "This is what the military says. 128 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,724 This is what we're going with." Exactly. 129 00:06:01,724 --> 00:06:04,793 Military flares leave behind prominent smoke trails 130 00:06:04,793 --> 00:06:05,793 as they fall, 131 00:06:05,793 --> 00:06:07,931 which rules them out as a suspect. 132 00:06:07,931 --> 00:06:10,482 But others saw the static hovering lights. 133 00:06:11,896 --> 00:06:14,586 Dr. Kitei has assembled a group of witnesses 134 00:06:14,586 --> 00:06:17,724 to the 1997 Phoenix Lights event. 135 00:06:17,724 --> 00:06:19,379 Fearing retaliation, 136 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:22,103 a few have asked to remain anonymous. 137 00:06:22,103 --> 00:06:25,172 Wow. 138 00:06:25,172 --> 00:06:27,275 Thank you guys for coming here. 139 00:06:27,275 --> 00:06:30,206 I understand you're all witnesses to the Phoenix Lights. 140 00:06:30,206 --> 00:06:32,103 What did you feel like when they come out 141 00:06:32,103 --> 00:06:36,724 with this official explanation in the newspapers -- flares? 142 00:07:01,689 --> 00:07:03,172 It's interesting you say that. 143 00:07:03,172 --> 00:07:06,724 My father fought in the I corps area in Vietnam in '68 and '69. 144 00:07:06,724 --> 00:07:08,310 He concurred the same thing you said -- 145 00:07:08,310 --> 00:07:10,517 aviation flares, they drop slowly. 146 00:07:18,620 --> 00:07:21,379 Well, do you think we could all agree then what it was not? 147 00:07:21,379 --> 00:07:23,310 These were not flares, right? 148 00:07:23,310 --> 00:07:24,896 MAN: They were not lanterns either. 149 00:07:24,896 --> 00:07:25,793 They were not lanterns. 150 00:07:25,793 --> 00:07:28,172 They were not conventional craft. 151 00:07:28,172 --> 00:07:29,896 They were silent. 152 00:07:29,896 --> 00:07:33,379 So if it wasn't that, the alternative is... 153 00:07:33,379 --> 00:07:35,827 ♪♪ 154 00:07:35,827 --> 00:07:38,931 ...it's from somewhere else. 155 00:07:38,931 --> 00:07:40,793 NARRATOR: 2 of the eyewitnesses claim 156 00:07:40,793 --> 00:07:44,793 they had close encounters with the 1997 UFO. 157 00:08:10,310 --> 00:08:11,275 Right. 158 00:08:11,275 --> 00:08:12,482 I saw the same thing. 159 00:08:12,482 --> 00:08:13,689 Where did you witness it? 160 00:08:13,689 --> 00:08:16,103 I was on I-60. 161 00:08:16,103 --> 00:08:18,068 I was driving home from work. 162 00:08:18,068 --> 00:08:20,793 ♪♪ 163 00:08:20,793 --> 00:08:25,000 And I saw this huge boomerang-shaped craft 164 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,689 flying towards me. 165 00:08:26,689 --> 00:08:30,586 ♪♪ 166 00:08:30,586 --> 00:08:31,517 [ Brakes screech ] 167 00:08:31,517 --> 00:08:33,517 I slammed on the brakes. 168 00:08:33,517 --> 00:08:40,482 ♪♪ 169 00:08:40,482 --> 00:08:44,068 I jumped out of my truck as it came up over me. 170 00:08:44,068 --> 00:08:48,000 It was about 30 feet over my head. 171 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,586 And I remember thinking I could hit this with a rock. 172 00:08:50,586 --> 00:08:52,379 30 feet? 173 00:08:52,379 --> 00:08:54,379 NARRATOR: David was paralyzed in fear 174 00:08:54,379 --> 00:09:00,000 as the large imposing UFO flew right above his head. 175 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,413 PARKER: It was gunmetal gray 176 00:09:02,413 --> 00:09:04,586 and there was, like, thousands and thousands 177 00:09:04,586 --> 00:09:06,482 of thumbprints in it. 178 00:09:06,482 --> 00:09:08,068 It just meandered, 179 00:09:08,068 --> 00:09:12,275 this huge craft that took up 70% of the horizon. 180 00:09:12,275 --> 00:09:15,068 So from you being 30 feet under, how wide would it make it? 181 00:09:15,068 --> 00:09:18,689 My guess was a mile to a mile and a half. 182 00:09:18,689 --> 00:09:21,068 Whoa. From tip to tip. 183 00:09:21,068 --> 00:09:22,379 But there was no one else around. 184 00:09:22,379 --> 00:09:24,689 I looked because I wanted to have some validation 185 00:09:24,689 --> 00:09:25,931 for what I saw, 186 00:09:25,931 --> 00:09:31,103 but the nearest light, I could easily see right into. 187 00:09:31,103 --> 00:09:35,275 And out of that poured what looked like lava. 188 00:09:35,275 --> 00:09:39,310 And as it poured down about 4 to 6 feet, 189 00:09:39,310 --> 00:09:41,586 it stopped. 190 00:09:41,586 --> 00:09:43,827 And then it went right back up in, 191 00:09:43,827 --> 00:09:45,827 and then more would come down. 192 00:09:45,827 --> 00:09:47,689 And I remember thinking, "I'm going to get burned," 193 00:09:47,689 --> 00:09:49,724 because I was that close to it. 194 00:09:49,724 --> 00:09:54,896 But there was no heat, and there was no sound. 195 00:09:54,896 --> 00:09:58,000 And I stood there, and as it passed by -- and I watched it 196 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,068 till it went out of sight -- I just started crying. 197 00:10:01,068 --> 00:10:05,103 ♪♪ 198 00:10:05,103 --> 00:10:08,275 It was overwhelming, and that has stuck with me 199 00:10:08,275 --> 00:10:10,172 from that day, from that moment. 200 00:10:10,172 --> 00:10:11,275 Wow. 201 00:10:11,275 --> 00:10:14,793 ♪♪ 202 00:10:14,793 --> 00:10:17,793 We got over 700 people calling. 203 00:10:17,793 --> 00:10:20,586 We went out to try to disinform people. 204 00:10:20,586 --> 00:10:22,000 From there, it was chaos. 205 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,310 [ Whoosh ] Whoa! 206 00:10:27,862 --> 00:10:30,689 NARRATOR: Ben Hansen is investigating the Phoenix Lights, 207 00:10:30,689 --> 00:10:35,379 a UFO sighting in Arizona seen by over 20,000 people. 208 00:10:35,379 --> 00:10:38,482 The government dismissed the lights as military flares 209 00:10:38,482 --> 00:10:40,689 despite thousands of eyewitness accounts 210 00:10:40,689 --> 00:10:43,482 describing a massive flying craft. 211 00:10:43,482 --> 00:10:45,620 I think we can all agree that what it was not -- 212 00:10:45,620 --> 00:10:47,172 these were not flares. 213 00:10:47,172 --> 00:10:50,379 Could the lights have been visitors from another world? 214 00:10:50,379 --> 00:10:53,862 And if so, what do they want with us? 215 00:10:53,862 --> 00:10:56,896 To find out about any other mass UFO sightings 216 00:10:56,896 --> 00:10:59,000 in American history, 217 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,896 Ben is headed to the Center for UFO Studies 218 00:11:01,896 --> 00:11:04,896 to talk with historian Mark O'Connell. 219 00:11:04,896 --> 00:11:05,931 So, Ben. 220 00:11:05,931 --> 00:11:08,482 I have talked to so many witnesses 221 00:11:08,482 --> 00:11:09,896 who saw the Phoenix Lights. 222 00:11:09,896 --> 00:11:11,379 You know, it was 1997. 223 00:11:11,379 --> 00:11:14,689 There were thousands of people who saw the triangle. 224 00:11:14,689 --> 00:11:16,206 I talked to people who saw this thing 225 00:11:16,206 --> 00:11:19,275 as close as 30 feet above their head. 226 00:11:19,275 --> 00:11:20,758 PARKER: And as it passed by, 227 00:11:20,758 --> 00:11:22,793 and I watched it till it went out of sight. 228 00:11:22,793 --> 00:11:24,275 I just started crying. 229 00:11:24,275 --> 00:11:26,862 Oh. None of it made sense. 230 00:11:26,862 --> 00:11:29,931 All I know for certain is I believe 231 00:11:29,931 --> 00:11:32,758 that there was a disinformation campaign. 232 00:11:32,758 --> 00:11:34,275 I'm baffled, and I want to know, 233 00:11:34,275 --> 00:11:37,103 does this type of thing have precedence? 234 00:11:37,103 --> 00:11:39,000 Has there been other cases 235 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,275 where there's been a mass UFO sighting, 236 00:11:41,275 --> 00:11:44,689 and the government is so adeptly able to come in 237 00:11:44,689 --> 00:11:47,068 and just take over and silence them? 238 00:11:47,068 --> 00:11:49,000 Let me show you a file that I've been looking at. 239 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000 Alright. 240 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:55,172 This is the official Michigan '66 flap. 241 00:11:55,172 --> 00:11:57,793 Swamp gas flap. 242 00:11:57,793 --> 00:12:01,103 NARRATOR: Dr. J. Allen Hynek was the lead scientific adviser 243 00:12:01,103 --> 00:12:02,586 to Project Blue Book, 244 00:12:02,586 --> 00:12:04,413 a government-funded investigation 245 00:12:04,413 --> 00:12:09,793 of the nation's UFO sightings from 1952 to 1969. 246 00:12:09,793 --> 00:12:12,172 According to Mark, in 1966, 247 00:12:12,172 --> 00:12:15,379 the Air Force sent Dr. Hynek to Dexter, Michigan, 248 00:12:15,379 --> 00:12:17,862 a small town outside of Ann Arbor. 249 00:12:17,862 --> 00:12:21,758 There, he investigated reports of a UFO seen by a farmer, 250 00:12:21,758 --> 00:12:24,172 Frank Mannor, and his son, Ron. 251 00:12:24,172 --> 00:12:27,793 There are a lot of parallels between the Phoenix Lights 252 00:12:27,793 --> 00:12:29,000 and the infamous 253 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,379 Dexter, Michigan, "swamp gas" sightings -- 254 00:12:32,379 --> 00:12:33,689 dozens of witnesses, 255 00:12:33,689 --> 00:12:35,000 the government getting involved 256 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,172 in strange and misleading ways. 257 00:12:38,172 --> 00:12:41,000 So here's a recording of an interview with Frank Mannor, 258 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,620 who was one of the witnesses. 259 00:12:43,482 --> 00:12:44,689 [ Click ] 260 00:12:44,689 --> 00:12:47,620 ♪♪ 261 00:12:47,620 --> 00:12:51,586 We were watching television, and we have 6 dogs here, 262 00:12:51,586 --> 00:12:53,482 and they started raising a fuss. 263 00:12:53,482 --> 00:12:55,103 [ Door creaks open, dogs barking ] 264 00:12:55,103 --> 00:12:57,413 I went outside on the porch. 265 00:12:57,413 --> 00:12:58,896 I looked to the north, 266 00:12:58,896 --> 00:13:02,689 and it looked like a fallen star coming down. 267 00:13:02,689 --> 00:13:05,206 I looked at it, and I thought I was seeing things, 268 00:13:05,206 --> 00:13:08,000 and a blue and a white light come on it. 269 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,896 ♪♪ 270 00:13:11,896 --> 00:13:15,103 Narrator: Frank and Ron weren't the only ones to witness the lights 271 00:13:15,103 --> 00:13:18,275 hovering above the swamp near his farm in Dexter. 272 00:13:18,275 --> 00:13:20,103 In the neighboring town of Hillsdale, 273 00:13:20,103 --> 00:13:23,482 college students also reported seeing a flying saucer 274 00:13:23,482 --> 00:13:25,000 with 3 lights in a row, 275 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,103 much like the Phoenix Lights of 1997. 276 00:13:28,103 --> 00:13:29,482 When I saw it, 277 00:13:29,482 --> 00:13:32,275 I just wanted to stay there and keep my eyes glued to it. 278 00:13:32,275 --> 00:13:33,862 I couldn't leave. 279 00:13:33,862 --> 00:13:41,689 ♪♪ 280 00:13:41,689 --> 00:13:50,517 ♪♪ 281 00:13:50,517 --> 00:13:53,103 Well, when I was looking out the window, 282 00:13:53,103 --> 00:13:56,206 I saw what looked to be shaped like a pie. 283 00:13:56,206 --> 00:13:58,379 I could see the lights on either side. 284 00:13:58,379 --> 00:14:00,896 And then the red light was sort of casting a glow 285 00:14:00,896 --> 00:14:02,275 over the whole thing. 286 00:14:02,275 --> 00:14:05,379 It becomes a huge, huge national headline, 287 00:14:05,379 --> 00:14:07,068 much like the Phoenix Lights did, right? 288 00:14:07,068 --> 00:14:07,896 Yeah, yeah. 289 00:14:07,896 --> 00:14:09,689 I mean, Air Force hates it 290 00:14:09,689 --> 00:14:12,586 when a UFO story becomes too big. Yeah. 291 00:14:12,586 --> 00:14:14,103 So what does the Air Force do? 292 00:14:14,103 --> 00:14:16,103 They send Hynek to Michigan. 293 00:14:16,103 --> 00:14:18,379 He interviews the Mannor family. 294 00:14:18,379 --> 00:14:21,758 But get this, he's getting pressure from his boss 295 00:14:21,758 --> 00:14:23,931 to make this case go away quickly. 296 00:14:23,931 --> 00:14:28,068 Everybody wants Hynek to say "Spaceships! Little green men." 297 00:14:28,068 --> 00:14:32,206 And instead, he says "What these witnesses describe 298 00:14:32,206 --> 00:14:34,482 could have been swamp gas." 299 00:14:34,482 --> 00:14:36,172 NARRATOR: The official explanation -- 300 00:14:36,172 --> 00:14:37,275 swamp gas. 301 00:14:37,275 --> 00:14:39,379 Flares caused by the burning of gases 302 00:14:39,379 --> 00:14:41,586 bubbling up from the area swamp. 303 00:14:41,586 --> 00:14:42,896 [ Click ] 304 00:14:42,896 --> 00:14:44,689 Mr. Mannor, the farmer, 305 00:14:44,689 --> 00:14:48,793 the lights they saw were localized to the swamp area. 306 00:14:48,793 --> 00:14:50,793 When a spring thaw comes 307 00:14:50,793 --> 00:14:54,793 and the gases can bubble up from below and get released, 308 00:14:54,793 --> 00:14:58,068 the gases can ignite spontaneously, 309 00:14:58,068 --> 00:14:59,896 and they flicker all over the place. 310 00:14:59,896 --> 00:15:02,103 They'll flicker in one place and then go out 311 00:15:02,103 --> 00:15:04,517 and suddenly appear someplace else, 312 00:15:04,517 --> 00:15:06,758 which gives the illusion of motion. 313 00:15:06,758 --> 00:15:08,000 [ Click ] 314 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,931 Everybody just went crazy when he said "swamp gas." 315 00:15:10,931 --> 00:15:12,758 But none of it really adds up. 316 00:15:12,758 --> 00:15:14,689 The country's leading UFO expert 317 00:15:14,689 --> 00:15:17,896 just said everybody in Michigan is an idiot 318 00:15:17,896 --> 00:15:20,931 who can't tell swamp gas from a flying saucer. 319 00:15:20,931 --> 00:15:24,103 So that's kind of along the lines of Phoenix. Right. 320 00:15:24,103 --> 00:15:26,172 It was really the defining moment 321 00:15:26,172 --> 00:15:28,206 in Dr. Hynek's career. 322 00:15:28,206 --> 00:15:31,000 So, the government's going to say it was swamp gas. 323 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,000 Can we prove that it wasn't? 324 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,793 There's a lot of witness testimony. 325 00:15:35,793 --> 00:15:38,896 I'd actually like to see if any of these people are still alive. 326 00:15:38,896 --> 00:15:41,275 I think the more you dig, the more you'll find evidence 327 00:15:41,275 --> 00:15:44,862 that the Air Force, of course, during the Blue Book days, 328 00:15:44,862 --> 00:15:46,172 but even beyond that, 329 00:15:46,172 --> 00:15:48,000 that the Air Force has really been up to no good. 330 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,000 It's a little bit disturbing. 331 00:15:51,379 --> 00:15:58,862 ♪♪ 332 00:15:58,862 --> 00:16:00,068 HANSEN: I'm in Dexter, Michigan, 333 00:16:00,068 --> 00:16:02,758 on my way to see Sheriff Harvey now. 334 00:16:02,758 --> 00:16:04,689 Sheriff Harvey has long since retired, 335 00:16:04,689 --> 00:16:08,172 but in 1966, he was the sheriff in charge 336 00:16:08,172 --> 00:16:11,689 when Dr. Hynek was sent to investigate the Dexter UFO. 337 00:16:11,689 --> 00:16:14,896 ♪♪ 338 00:16:14,896 --> 00:16:16,793 Sheriff Harvey, pleasure to meet you. 339 00:16:16,793 --> 00:16:20,206 I'm so excited to talk to you about this case 340 00:16:20,206 --> 00:16:24,275 because it's been one of those iconic cases 341 00:16:24,275 --> 00:16:25,931 I read about as a kid, 342 00:16:25,931 --> 00:16:28,689 and I hope that you can kind of fill in some blanks for me, 343 00:16:28,689 --> 00:16:29,689 get to the bottom of this. 344 00:16:29,689 --> 00:16:31,275 I will do my utmost. 345 00:16:31,275 --> 00:16:33,000 I have some of the original documents 346 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,000 that might help jog your memory. 347 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,103 First of all, if I could take you back now to 1966. 348 00:16:39,103 --> 00:16:40,689 I was a young sheriff, 349 00:16:40,689 --> 00:16:44,103 the second-youngest sheriff in the state of Michigan. 350 00:16:44,103 --> 00:16:46,862 At that time, there was one sighting after another 351 00:16:46,862 --> 00:16:48,896 in Dexter. 352 00:16:48,896 --> 00:16:50,413 I understand you spent a lot of time 353 00:16:50,413 --> 00:16:53,103 with Dr. Hynek when he came into town. 354 00:16:53,103 --> 00:16:55,517 I'd never heard of Professor Hynek. 355 00:16:55,517 --> 00:16:57,413 Didn't know who he was. 356 00:16:57,413 --> 00:16:59,068 But I knew that, you know, 357 00:16:59,068 --> 00:17:01,068 he'd have to be somebody important. 358 00:17:01,068 --> 00:17:03,206 My curiosity got the best of me, 359 00:17:03,206 --> 00:17:05,310 and I said, "Dr. Hynek, what have we got?" 360 00:17:05,310 --> 00:17:08,758 And I remember him saying to me, "I don't know." 361 00:17:08,758 --> 00:17:11,758 ♪♪ 362 00:17:11,758 --> 00:17:14,103 I found that very strange, you know? 363 00:17:14,103 --> 00:17:16,482 Uh-huh. 364 00:17:16,482 --> 00:17:18,275 When we got back to my office, 365 00:17:18,275 --> 00:17:21,689 he said, "I got to call Washington." 366 00:17:21,689 --> 00:17:23,517 That stuck with me so much -- 367 00:17:23,517 --> 00:17:25,482 "I got to call Washington." 368 00:17:25,482 --> 00:17:26,482 Okay. 369 00:17:26,482 --> 00:17:29,482 ♪♪ 370 00:17:29,482 --> 00:17:31,206 He was in there for quite a while. 371 00:17:31,206 --> 00:17:34,379 ♪♪ 372 00:17:34,379 --> 00:17:37,172 And he came out, "Professor, what have we got? 373 00:17:37,172 --> 00:17:38,689 What do we got?" 374 00:17:38,689 --> 00:17:40,793 He said, "It's swamp gas." 375 00:17:42,793 --> 00:17:44,172 I'd like to died. 376 00:17:44,172 --> 00:17:45,482 Swamp gas. 377 00:17:45,482 --> 00:17:47,517 So he was pretty definitive about this? 378 00:17:47,517 --> 00:17:49,103 Oh, boy. Yes. 379 00:17:49,103 --> 00:17:52,413 You know, it didn't take an idiot to figure it out. 380 00:17:52,413 --> 00:17:55,482 I get a call from Washington, and Washington is saying, 381 00:17:55,482 --> 00:17:57,586 "You better say it's swamp gas. 382 00:17:57,586 --> 00:18:00,482 Get your butt out of there and come on back to Washington." 383 00:18:00,482 --> 00:18:04,172 You think about that for a minute. He had no idea. 384 00:18:04,172 --> 00:18:07,000 But then when he makes a call to Washington, 385 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:12,000 all of a sudden, he comes out with, "It's swamp gas." 386 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,275 How frustrating. Wow. 387 00:18:13,275 --> 00:18:16,000 Yes. I was disgusted. 388 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,689 What is swamp gas? 389 00:18:17,689 --> 00:18:19,758 I've never seen it. Yeah. 390 00:18:19,758 --> 00:18:21,586 Insulting to anybody's intelligence. 391 00:18:21,586 --> 00:18:24,862 I think we'd have come up with something better than that. 392 00:18:24,862 --> 00:18:26,103 NARRATOR: But there's more. 393 00:18:26,103 --> 00:18:29,482 Sheriff Harvey has never before revealed information, 394 00:18:29,482 --> 00:18:32,275 something that doesn't appear in any of Dr. Hynek's 395 00:18:32,275 --> 00:18:34,482 Project Blue Book reports. 396 00:18:34,482 --> 00:18:38,896 Hours before the news conference and Hynek's call to Washington, 397 00:18:38,896 --> 00:18:40,896 Sheriff Harvey and Dr. Hynek 398 00:18:40,896 --> 00:18:43,586 visited the swamp on Frank Mannor's farm 399 00:18:43,586 --> 00:18:45,206 and found something. 400 00:18:45,206 --> 00:18:48,310 ♪♪ 401 00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:50,482 We got to the Mannor farm. 402 00:18:50,482 --> 00:18:52,379 Dr. Hynek got out of the car. 403 00:18:52,379 --> 00:19:01,206 ♪♪ 404 00:19:01,206 --> 00:19:10,482 ♪♪ 405 00:19:10,482 --> 00:19:14,000 And in the back field, 406 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,620 the grass was down in, like, a circle. 407 00:19:19,620 --> 00:19:22,000 It was matted down, 408 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,482 you know, like something just laid on it. 409 00:19:26,275 --> 00:19:28,896 That's not in any of the reports. 410 00:19:28,896 --> 00:19:30,000 Is it possible 411 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,620 that Hynek purposely left that out? 412 00:19:33,620 --> 00:19:35,000 ♪♪ 413 00:19:39,172 --> 00:19:40,344 ♪♪ 414 00:19:40,344 --> 00:19:43,275 NARRATOR: In 1966, dozens of citizens reported 415 00:19:43,275 --> 00:19:47,689 seeing the same strange lights fly through Dexter, Michigan, 416 00:19:47,689 --> 00:19:51,241 only for authorities to dismiss the mass UFO sighting 417 00:19:51,241 --> 00:19:53,482 as swamp gas. 418 00:19:53,482 --> 00:19:57,379 Did the government cover up the truth, and why? 419 00:19:57,379 --> 00:20:00,551 Ben Hansen is meeting with a former Dexter sheriff 420 00:20:00,551 --> 00:20:02,241 who, with Dr. Hynek, 421 00:20:02,241 --> 00:20:07,034 saw what looked like the landing spot of a UFO at a local farm. 422 00:20:07,034 --> 00:20:09,758 HARVEY: And Dr. Hynek walked right up to it. 423 00:20:09,758 --> 00:20:11,586 It's not in any of the reports. 424 00:20:11,586 --> 00:20:13,241 I don't see any mention of it. 425 00:20:13,241 --> 00:20:18,793 So is it possible that Hynek purposely left that out? 426 00:20:18,793 --> 00:20:20,965 ♪♪ 427 00:20:20,965 --> 00:20:26,586 He left out what you had seen with him -- the depression. 428 00:20:26,586 --> 00:20:27,965 I know that I'd seen it. 429 00:20:27,965 --> 00:20:31,034 So did Hynek -- he went up to it. 430 00:20:31,034 --> 00:20:33,241 To Sheriff Harvey, the possibility 431 00:20:33,241 --> 00:20:36,344 that a UFO landed here is real. 432 00:20:36,344 --> 00:20:38,586 Sheriff Harvey, the college students, 433 00:20:38,586 --> 00:20:40,482 Frank Mannor and his son Ron, 434 00:20:40,482 --> 00:20:42,275 all either saw the UFO 435 00:20:42,275 --> 00:20:44,586 or direct evidence of its presence. 436 00:20:44,586 --> 00:20:48,896 And Ron Mannor is still alive and willing to talk about it. 437 00:20:48,896 --> 00:20:51,172 I'm on my way to talk to Ron Mannor. 438 00:20:51,172 --> 00:20:53,482 Now, Ron and his dad, Frank, are the family 439 00:20:53,482 --> 00:20:56,793 that witnessed the object hovering over the swamp. 440 00:20:56,793 --> 00:20:59,068 Ron was 18 at the time. 441 00:20:59,068 --> 00:21:03,137 I don't think he's actually talked about it since 1966. 442 00:21:03,137 --> 00:21:08,965 ♪♪ 443 00:21:08,965 --> 00:21:10,448 MANNOR: You must be Ben. Come in. 444 00:21:10,448 --> 00:21:12,896 Nice to meet you. Thank you so much. 445 00:21:12,896 --> 00:21:14,758 After all these years, 446 00:21:14,758 --> 00:21:18,482 this is still one of the most iconic cases. 447 00:21:18,482 --> 00:21:21,551 You have so many witnesses, an incredible event, 448 00:21:21,551 --> 00:21:24,172 and then the government steps in and says, 449 00:21:24,172 --> 00:21:25,655 "You know, that wasn't what it was. 450 00:21:25,655 --> 00:21:27,379 It wasn't what you guys experienced." 451 00:21:27,379 --> 00:21:28,551 So, could you kind of 452 00:21:28,551 --> 00:21:31,793 just take me back to that evening? 453 00:21:31,793 --> 00:21:33,379 I was on the back porch... 454 00:21:33,379 --> 00:21:37,379 ♪♪ 455 00:21:37,379 --> 00:21:40,103 ...looking at the lights down in the swamp. 456 00:21:40,103 --> 00:21:43,241 So we sat there and watched it for a while. 457 00:21:43,241 --> 00:21:44,896 I told my dad, It shouldn't be there, 458 00:21:44,896 --> 00:21:48,241 but let's go see what it is." 459 00:21:48,241 --> 00:21:50,896 So we walked down there. 460 00:21:50,896 --> 00:21:54,275 And you could see lights. 461 00:21:54,275 --> 00:21:55,379 There were 3 lights -- 462 00:21:55,379 --> 00:21:58,379 an amber one, a red one, and a blue one. 463 00:21:58,379 --> 00:22:01,482 ♪♪ 464 00:22:01,482 --> 00:22:03,551 Did they move independently? 465 00:22:03,551 --> 00:22:04,689 No. 466 00:22:04,689 --> 00:22:06,482 I would have thought if it was 3 different lights, 467 00:22:06,482 --> 00:22:08,586 it would probably have moved, 468 00:22:08,586 --> 00:22:10,551 something would have -- Changed out of position. 469 00:22:10,551 --> 00:22:11,896 Yeah, you would have thought. 470 00:22:11,896 --> 00:22:15,137 So, it's possible that it was part of one structure. 471 00:22:15,137 --> 00:22:16,379 NARRATOR: Ron thinks it's possible 472 00:22:16,379 --> 00:22:18,689 the lights were attached to one UFO, 473 00:22:18,689 --> 00:22:21,379 just like the Phoenix lights. 474 00:22:21,379 --> 00:22:23,689 And so, couldn't get a real good look at it, 475 00:22:23,689 --> 00:22:26,000 so I suggested we get up on this big hill 476 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,689 so we could look down in the swamp. 477 00:22:29,689 --> 00:22:33,586 So, we got over there, and when we looked back, 478 00:22:33,586 --> 00:22:35,586 the lights were gone from there. 479 00:22:35,586 --> 00:22:40,482 ♪♪ 480 00:22:40,482 --> 00:22:42,793 And then they send out Dr. Hynek. 481 00:22:42,793 --> 00:22:44,482 He spoke with your father. 482 00:22:44,482 --> 00:22:47,586 So then Dr. Hynek makes this press release, 483 00:22:47,586 --> 00:22:50,862 and he says that it's swamp gas. 484 00:22:50,862 --> 00:22:52,482 What did your dad feel like 485 00:22:52,482 --> 00:22:54,172 when Hynek came out and said that? 486 00:22:54,172 --> 00:22:56,172 I think he felt a little betrayed, 487 00:22:56,172 --> 00:22:59,000 you know, like they were just making him look bad. 488 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,689 Well, I know it's a real phenomenon, 489 00:23:00,689 --> 00:23:03,551 but do you think it's at all possible 490 00:23:03,551 --> 00:23:05,000 that what you and your father saw 491 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,275 was swamp gas? 492 00:23:06,275 --> 00:23:07,655 Not possible. 493 00:23:07,655 --> 00:23:09,793 Not with three distinct, different lights. 494 00:23:09,793 --> 00:23:11,068 No, not a chance. 495 00:23:11,068 --> 00:23:13,275 Not a chance? No. 496 00:23:15,379 --> 00:23:18,965 With Hynek's burning swamp gas story looking unlikely, 497 00:23:18,965 --> 00:23:21,344 Ben comes up with an idea. 498 00:23:21,344 --> 00:23:24,068 With Ron's permission to access the property, 499 00:23:24,068 --> 00:23:27,034 he heads to the swamp to conduct an experiment. 500 00:23:27,034 --> 00:23:29,896 Does methane gas rising from the swamp 501 00:23:29,896 --> 00:23:32,241 burn and give off different colors? 502 00:23:32,241 --> 00:23:35,275 And if so, will the flames rise up high enough 503 00:23:35,275 --> 00:23:38,862 to be mistaken for bright lights on a flying object? 504 00:23:38,862 --> 00:23:46,655 ♪♪ 505 00:23:46,655 --> 00:23:47,965 This is really cool to be here. 506 00:23:47,965 --> 00:23:50,379 You can see it's a little bit frozen over. 507 00:23:50,379 --> 00:23:54,793 To think a UFO could have been here back in 1966. 508 00:23:54,793 --> 00:23:57,172 ♪♪ 509 00:23:57,172 --> 00:24:00,379 NARRATOR: Joining him at the site is a pyrotechnics expert 510 00:24:00,379 --> 00:24:03,000 who will help Ben recreate the swamp gas 511 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,068 that Dr. Hynek alleged in his report. 512 00:24:06,068 --> 00:24:10,172 Can't say that I've ever tried to make swamp gas before. 513 00:24:10,172 --> 00:24:12,896 WHITE: I've seen it once down in Louisiana. 514 00:24:12,896 --> 00:24:15,275 Oh, really? Yeah, in a pure accident. 515 00:24:15,275 --> 00:24:19,758 Alright. So the water here, it's a little bit iced over. 516 00:24:19,758 --> 00:24:22,172 I need to get far enough in to submerge this whole thing. 517 00:24:22,172 --> 00:24:23,241 Whoa! Okay. 518 00:24:23,241 --> 00:24:25,379 Well, now we know how deep it is. 519 00:24:25,379 --> 00:24:28,379 [ Sniffs ] And it stinks, Schuyler. 520 00:24:28,379 --> 00:24:30,896 Yeah. Oh, yeah. We definitely will have some methane. 521 00:24:30,896 --> 00:24:32,758 You can see the bubbles already flowing. Oh, yeah. 522 00:24:32,758 --> 00:24:34,275 Look at the bubbles already flowing. 523 00:24:34,275 --> 00:24:36,448 There it goes. There it goes. 524 00:24:36,448 --> 00:24:37,758 Yeah, see? 525 00:24:37,758 --> 00:24:40,655 I can feel the pressure building up against my thumb. 526 00:24:40,655 --> 00:24:43,689 Methane is flammable. Mm-hmm. 527 00:24:43,689 --> 00:24:47,344 Any ideas of how it spontaneously combusts? 528 00:24:47,344 --> 00:24:50,551 It would have to be like a spark from an ember. 529 00:24:50,551 --> 00:24:51,344 Can it be lightning? 530 00:24:51,344 --> 00:24:53,034 Lightning hitting a tree. 531 00:24:53,034 --> 00:24:54,482 Almost there. 532 00:24:54,482 --> 00:24:56,172 Here we go. 533 00:24:56,172 --> 00:24:58,275 Alright, I feel the pressure building up. 534 00:24:58,275 --> 00:25:00,689 Thinking maybe we should just give it a try. 535 00:25:00,689 --> 00:25:01,689 Are you ready? 536 00:25:01,689 --> 00:25:02,896 So, you go ahead and light it. 537 00:25:02,896 --> 00:25:06,275 3, 2, 1. -Take a step back. 538 00:25:06,275 --> 00:25:06,724 [ Whoosh ] Whoa! 539 00:25:11,448 --> 00:25:13,103 NARRATOR: In 1966, 540 00:25:13,103 --> 00:25:17,034 witnesses claimed they saw a UFO with 3 bright lights 541 00:25:17,034 --> 00:25:19,103 flying over Dexter, Michigan. 542 00:25:19,103 --> 00:25:20,862 Dr. J. Allen Hynek, 543 00:25:20,862 --> 00:25:23,379 the UFO investigator for the Air Force's 544 00:25:23,379 --> 00:25:25,379 top secret Project Blue Book, 545 00:25:25,379 --> 00:25:29,551 claimed the lights came from burning swamp gas fires. 546 00:25:29,551 --> 00:25:32,000 Ben Hansen is conducting an experiment 547 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,793 to prove Dr. Hynek wrong. 548 00:25:34,793 --> 00:25:36,379 HANSEN: So you go ahead and light it. 549 00:25:36,379 --> 00:25:38,896 3, 2, 1. 550 00:25:38,896 --> 00:25:40,862 [ Whoosh ] Whoa! 551 00:25:40,862 --> 00:25:43,551 That would freak me out if I was in the swamp. 552 00:25:43,551 --> 00:25:44,586 WHITE: [ Laughing ] Yeah. 553 00:25:44,586 --> 00:25:46,586 I would never report that as a UFO, 554 00:25:46,586 --> 00:25:49,379 but I would be hightailing it out of there, that's for sure. 555 00:25:49,379 --> 00:25:53,862 This is exactly what would happen with swamp gas. 556 00:25:53,862 --> 00:25:55,793 And see, that's the problem I have 557 00:25:55,793 --> 00:25:59,551 with the official explanation of this incident. 558 00:25:59,551 --> 00:26:01,137 A lot of witnesses were reporting this 559 00:26:01,137 --> 00:26:04,689 up to 500 feet above, or maybe a thousand feet. 560 00:26:04,689 --> 00:26:06,551 That's ridiculous. 561 00:26:06,551 --> 00:26:08,793 The Mannors, the Hillsdale College students, 562 00:26:08,793 --> 00:26:11,379 and numerous other Dexter residents all stated 563 00:26:11,379 --> 00:26:16,758 they saw 3 fixed, distinct lights of different colors. 564 00:26:16,758 --> 00:26:17,896 There were 3 lights -- 565 00:26:17,896 --> 00:26:21,172 an amber one, a red one, and a blue one. 566 00:26:21,172 --> 00:26:23,172 In fact, Sheriff Harvey's deputies 567 00:26:23,172 --> 00:26:26,379 claim to have chased the craft down a country road. 568 00:26:26,379 --> 00:26:30,896 MAN: It moved very rapidly in any direction it wanted to go. 569 00:26:30,896 --> 00:26:33,034 NARRATOR: None of their descriptions comes close 570 00:26:33,034 --> 00:26:36,482 to the flames Ben has created in this swamp. 571 00:26:36,482 --> 00:26:38,172 This is really intense. 572 00:26:38,172 --> 00:26:42,241 So we've reached the max capacity of this effect, 573 00:26:42,241 --> 00:26:46,000 and yet we're still so far beneath 574 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,275 what the witnesses were saying as far as height, 575 00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:50,758 as far as different colors. 576 00:26:50,758 --> 00:26:52,793 Oh, yeah. What we've just done 577 00:26:52,793 --> 00:26:54,241 is debunked the idea 578 00:26:54,241 --> 00:26:55,896 that this could be swamp gas. 579 00:26:55,896 --> 00:26:59,896 Nature could not have created what these witnesses saw. 580 00:26:59,896 --> 00:27:01,448 I'm firmly convinced 581 00:27:01,448 --> 00:27:04,862 that is not what took place in 1966. 582 00:27:04,862 --> 00:27:07,965 Ben feels confident this proves the government covered up 583 00:27:07,965 --> 00:27:12,172 the existence of the Dexter UFO in 1966. 584 00:27:12,172 --> 00:27:16,275 But what about the Phoenix Lights UFO of 1997? 585 00:27:16,275 --> 00:27:20,275 Can Ben prove The government tried to cover that up, as well, 586 00:27:20,275 --> 00:27:22,482 that the lights were attached to a UFO, 587 00:27:22,482 --> 00:27:26,862 and not caused by flares set off during a military exercise? 588 00:27:26,862 --> 00:27:29,482 ♪♪ 589 00:27:29,482 --> 00:27:31,586 One local Arizona politician 590 00:27:31,586 --> 00:27:34,379 claims to have valuable information. 591 00:27:34,379 --> 00:27:36,689 Frances Barwood was a councilwoman 592 00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:38,793 at the time of the incident. 593 00:27:40,689 --> 00:27:41,965 Hi, you must be Frances. 594 00:27:41,965 --> 00:27:43,172 I am. I'm Ben. 595 00:27:43,172 --> 00:27:44,896 Hi, Ben. Nice to meet you. 596 00:27:44,896 --> 00:27:47,896 Thank you for agreeing to meet with me. 597 00:27:47,896 --> 00:27:51,689 So, I talked to Dr. Kitei, 598 00:27:51,689 --> 00:27:55,586 and I was in a room filled with people 599 00:27:55,586 --> 00:27:58,758 who have seen strange objects and lights just recently 600 00:27:58,758 --> 00:28:02,586 and then also back in 1997 when the event took place. 601 00:28:02,586 --> 00:28:04,758 Can you tell me your journey 602 00:28:04,758 --> 00:28:07,586 through what happened in your exploration, 603 00:28:07,586 --> 00:28:08,965 trying to find the truth? 604 00:28:08,965 --> 00:28:11,379 Well, I was approached by a reporter, 605 00:28:11,379 --> 00:28:14,275 and he said he wanted to talk to me about this object 606 00:28:14,275 --> 00:28:16,000 that went over Phoenix. 607 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,482 "Can you find out if anybody's investigating?" 608 00:28:19,482 --> 00:28:23,275 Well, his article appeared in Saturday's paper. 609 00:28:23,275 --> 00:28:26,172 And then I get into the office on Monday, 610 00:28:26,172 --> 00:28:28,586 and my voicemail was filled. 611 00:28:28,586 --> 00:28:29,689 Oh, wow. 612 00:28:29,689 --> 00:28:31,758 And it was, like -- this was overwhelming. 613 00:28:31,758 --> 00:28:36,000 I got like over 700 people calling. 614 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,862 And I started calling them all back. 615 00:28:37,862 --> 00:28:40,275 And what was amazing to me, 616 00:28:40,275 --> 00:28:44,172 they were all the same description. 617 00:28:44,172 --> 00:28:47,793 How many people that you know can describe the same thing, 618 00:28:47,793 --> 00:28:50,275 unless they actually saw it? Yeah. 619 00:28:50,275 --> 00:28:52,241 Each one of those people I talked to 620 00:28:52,241 --> 00:28:54,034 was with many others. 621 00:28:54,034 --> 00:28:56,965 When you add it all up, it's thousands. 622 00:28:56,965 --> 00:29:00,172 And so I asked for an investigation. 623 00:29:00,172 --> 00:29:01,275 Okay. 624 00:29:01,275 --> 00:29:03,379 Councilwoman Barwood took the formal steps 625 00:29:03,379 --> 00:29:06,172 to initiate a government-backed investigation 626 00:29:06,172 --> 00:29:08,275 into the Phoenix Lights, 627 00:29:08,275 --> 00:29:11,482 but she was stonewalled by the state's governor at the time, 628 00:29:11,482 --> 00:29:13,275 Fife Symington. 629 00:29:13,275 --> 00:29:16,793 I got this memo, and it said this is a non-issue. 630 00:29:16,793 --> 00:29:18,586 They didn't want to touch it. 631 00:29:18,586 --> 00:29:21,379 So odd. I don't know why they would do that. 632 00:29:21,379 --> 00:29:24,172 After hitting a dead end with the local politicians, 633 00:29:24,172 --> 00:29:25,862 Frances appealed to the public 634 00:29:25,862 --> 00:29:29,000 to apply pressure to the government. 635 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,172 I told everybody to call the governor's office 636 00:29:32,172 --> 00:29:34,172 because, you know, he's the head of the state, 637 00:29:34,172 --> 00:29:36,034 he can maybe help. 638 00:29:36,034 --> 00:29:38,689 The flood of calls couldn't be ignored, 639 00:29:38,689 --> 00:29:40,862 and the governor had to make an announcement 640 00:29:40,862 --> 00:29:43,275 at an emergency press conference. 641 00:29:43,275 --> 00:29:45,241 In response, I suggested that it was time 642 00:29:45,241 --> 00:29:47,275 to end months of speculation on the question. 643 00:29:47,275 --> 00:29:49,758 And he said, "And we caught one of the perpetrators." 644 00:29:49,758 --> 00:29:51,344 Escort the accused into the room 645 00:29:51,344 --> 00:29:54,896 so that we may all look upon the guilty party. 646 00:29:54,896 --> 00:29:56,551 You know, this just goes to show 647 00:29:56,551 --> 00:29:58,379 that you guys are entirely too serious. 648 00:29:58,379 --> 00:29:59,448 [ Laughter ] 649 00:29:59,448 --> 00:30:00,586 It was shocking to me. 650 00:30:00,586 --> 00:30:02,896 It's like they're making a joke of this. 651 00:30:02,896 --> 00:30:05,000 I imagine this was not funny at all 652 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,172 to the people who actually witnessed -- 653 00:30:07,172 --> 00:30:10,551 I've talked to people who were within 30 feet of it 654 00:30:10,551 --> 00:30:12,896 and could see the details of the craft. 655 00:30:12,896 --> 00:30:14,689 That is not funny. 656 00:30:14,689 --> 00:30:17,000 No, it's not. 657 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,000 And it was not like him at all. 658 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,034 Fife has no sense of humor. 659 00:30:21,034 --> 00:30:24,379 There is no way that he put that all together. 660 00:30:24,379 --> 00:30:25,689 I think he did it 661 00:30:25,689 --> 00:30:28,655 because they put pressure on him. 662 00:30:30,103 --> 00:30:32,896 NARRATOR: Like Dr. Hynek in 1966, 663 00:30:32,896 --> 00:30:35,000 it seems Governor Symington was pressed 664 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,241 to deny the existence of UFOs. 665 00:30:38,241 --> 00:30:40,551 Councilwoman Barwood was more convinced 666 00:30:40,551 --> 00:30:42,000 of the cover-up than ever. 667 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,344 And days later, she was contacted by a local veteran 668 00:30:45,344 --> 00:30:48,482 who claimed to possess irrefutable evidence. 669 00:30:48,482 --> 00:30:52,379 I got a phone call from a man named Richard Curtis, 670 00:30:52,379 --> 00:30:56,689 and he said he got this all on video. 671 00:30:56,689 --> 00:30:59,758 Unlike the video shot by Dr. Lynne Kitei, 672 00:30:59,758 --> 00:31:03,482 which shows a group of lights with no visible craft, 673 00:31:03,482 --> 00:31:06,586 Richard Curtis claimed he recorded a detailed video 674 00:31:06,586 --> 00:31:10,344 that showed the lights were part of one spacecraft. 675 00:31:10,344 --> 00:31:13,241 Richard promised to send a copy of his video evidence 676 00:31:13,241 --> 00:31:15,000 to Frances' office. 677 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,344 But when he called back a week later, 678 00:31:17,344 --> 00:31:20,965 it was clear someone in the shadows had other plans. 679 00:31:20,965 --> 00:31:23,586 And he goes, "What did you think of the video?" 680 00:31:23,586 --> 00:31:25,862 I says, "I didn't get a video." 681 00:31:25,862 --> 00:31:29,034 He says, "Oh, well, they came from your office." 682 00:31:29,034 --> 00:31:31,379 2 men claiming to be from Frances' office 683 00:31:31,379 --> 00:31:35,965 convinced Richard to hand over the only copy of the video. 684 00:31:35,965 --> 00:31:38,068 I don't have a man working in my office. 685 00:31:38,068 --> 00:31:40,655 I have three women. 686 00:31:40,655 --> 00:31:42,379 Oh, my gosh. 687 00:31:42,379 --> 00:31:46,034 So I said, "Okay, what did they look like?" 688 00:31:46,034 --> 00:31:48,689 "In 3 piece suits with hats." 689 00:31:48,689 --> 00:31:53,000 Now, mind you, this is July. It's 110 degrees out. 690 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,172 And so it was like, oh, my goodness. 691 00:31:56,172 --> 00:31:59,137 Well, then Richard Curtis got really sick 692 00:31:59,137 --> 00:32:01,068 and they took him out by ambulance, 693 00:32:01,068 --> 00:32:03,689 and nobody's ever seen him again. 694 00:32:03,689 --> 00:32:06,275 Nobody knows where he is? No. 695 00:32:12,103 --> 00:32:14,137 NARRATOR: Investigator Ben Hansen is on a mission to prove 696 00:32:14,137 --> 00:32:16,241 that the government covered up the existence 697 00:32:16,241 --> 00:32:20,172 of the 1966 Dexter, Michigan, UFO 698 00:32:20,172 --> 00:32:24,689 and the 1997 Phoenix, Arizona, Lights. 699 00:32:24,689 --> 00:32:27,896 In 1997, a man named Richard Curtis 700 00:32:27,896 --> 00:32:30,379 claimed he recorded a detailed video 701 00:32:30,379 --> 00:32:34,172 that showed the outline of the Phoenix UFO. 702 00:32:34,172 --> 00:32:39,896 But he and the video mysteriously disappeared. 703 00:32:39,896 --> 00:32:42,068 Nobody knows where he is? No. 704 00:32:42,068 --> 00:32:44,689 Neighbors of his said they changed his medication, 705 00:32:44,689 --> 00:32:45,896 he had a bad reaction, 706 00:32:45,896 --> 00:32:47,241 they had to take him to the hospital, 707 00:32:47,241 --> 00:32:49,862 and he never came back. 708 00:32:49,862 --> 00:32:53,379 Do we know if he's in the obituaries, if he's passed? 709 00:32:53,379 --> 00:32:55,862 Nothing, no more information. 710 00:32:55,862 --> 00:32:59,275 And I'm thinking, "How did they know he called me?" 711 00:32:59,275 --> 00:33:01,379 It was kind of creepy. 712 00:33:01,379 --> 00:33:04,000 According to Frances, a private investigator 713 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,586 checked her home phone line and made a shocking discovery. 714 00:33:07,586 --> 00:33:09,896 He said, "You have a tap on your line. 715 00:33:09,896 --> 00:33:13,000 It's coming from the government, federal government." 716 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,275 Are you serious? 717 00:33:14,275 --> 00:33:16,862 Somebody was tapping your phone, 718 00:33:16,862 --> 00:33:20,655 intercepted a conversation you had with a witness, 719 00:33:20,655 --> 00:33:21,758 and then showed up, 720 00:33:21,758 --> 00:33:24,000 saying that they were coming in your behalf 721 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,068 to get possibly the only clear video 722 00:33:27,068 --> 00:33:28,793 of the event that's out there. 723 00:33:28,793 --> 00:33:30,758 Right. 724 00:33:30,758 --> 00:33:33,068 Do you have any idea who these people might be, 725 00:33:33,068 --> 00:33:34,689 that...tapping your phone? 726 00:33:34,689 --> 00:33:36,965 Well, I was told a long time ago 727 00:33:36,965 --> 00:33:38,482 that there's the government you see, 728 00:33:38,482 --> 00:33:41,137 and there's the shadow government. 729 00:33:41,137 --> 00:33:45,137 It's not elected officials. It's not the hired officials. 730 00:33:45,137 --> 00:33:47,689 It's beyond that. 731 00:33:47,689 --> 00:33:50,275 But the question remains, why is the government 732 00:33:50,275 --> 00:33:53,137 covering up the existence of UFOs? 733 00:33:53,137 --> 00:33:55,482 Frances believes they are afraid. 734 00:33:55,482 --> 00:33:59,448 Why do you harass and wiretap 735 00:33:59,448 --> 00:34:03,241 and take away the evidence from people who saw it? 736 00:34:03,241 --> 00:34:06,275 Because the government knows that it's not them. 737 00:34:06,275 --> 00:34:07,758 That's my only theory. 738 00:34:07,758 --> 00:34:10,965 And so they're afraid of losing power. 739 00:34:10,965 --> 00:34:12,689 Yeah. 740 00:34:13,793 --> 00:34:15,896 HANSEN: I believe that the Phoenix Lights event 741 00:34:15,896 --> 00:34:19,275 was not only a massive government cover-up 742 00:34:19,275 --> 00:34:20,793 but a smear campaign. 743 00:34:20,793 --> 00:34:23,482 Frances Barwood led this whole crusade. 744 00:34:23,482 --> 00:34:25,275 Her phone was wiretapped. 745 00:34:25,275 --> 00:34:28,586 The government and whoever the secret keepers are 746 00:34:28,586 --> 00:34:32,344 did a very effective job in covering this up. 747 00:34:32,344 --> 00:34:35,586 ♪♪ 748 00:34:35,586 --> 00:34:38,000 NARRATOR: To uncover how the conspirators deploy 749 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,103 and enact their disinformation campaign, 750 00:34:41,103 --> 00:34:43,137 Ben arranges a sit down with a man 751 00:34:43,137 --> 00:34:47,172 who recently identified himself as a shadow government pawn 752 00:34:47,172 --> 00:34:52,793 who was consistently deployed to cover up government secrets. 753 00:34:52,793 --> 00:34:55,068 Rick, thank you for meeting me here. 754 00:34:55,068 --> 00:34:56,379 Someone had a legit sighting. 755 00:34:56,379 --> 00:34:59,344 They wanted to dissuade or distract the public. 756 00:34:59,344 --> 00:35:02,103 The person that they would call to do that is you. 757 00:35:02,103 --> 00:35:04,172 It would be us, special agents 758 00:35:04,172 --> 00:35:06,586 with Air Force Office of Special Investigations, 759 00:35:06,586 --> 00:35:08,103 Counterintelligence Division. 760 00:35:08,103 --> 00:35:10,068 Wow. Okay. 761 00:35:10,068 --> 00:35:12,896 I was stationed in Area 51 in the '80s. 762 00:35:12,896 --> 00:35:13,689 You were? 763 00:35:13,689 --> 00:35:15,379 I have a badge to prove it. 764 00:35:15,379 --> 00:35:16,379 Wow. 765 00:35:16,379 --> 00:35:17,655 You don't think it still works, do you? 766 00:35:17,655 --> 00:35:19,379 No, I don't think it still works. 767 00:35:19,379 --> 00:35:22,000 The civilian sightings were done 768 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,896 by Project Blue Book investigators. 769 00:35:24,896 --> 00:35:29,000 But the real mysterious cases were handled 770 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,000 by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations. 771 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,172 If someone has a legitimate UFO sighting 772 00:35:34,172 --> 00:35:38,103 and the government comes in to discredit them, 773 00:35:38,103 --> 00:35:39,689 how do they go about doing that? 774 00:35:39,689 --> 00:35:41,137 That was part of our job. 775 00:35:41,137 --> 00:35:43,586 We went out and tried to disinform people 776 00:35:43,586 --> 00:35:46,000 who have had a UFO sighting. 777 00:35:46,896 --> 00:35:51,448 And there's manuals that govern exactly how we do that. 778 00:35:51,448 --> 00:35:55,482 It's actually written policy how to go about doing this? 779 00:35:55,482 --> 00:35:57,793 Yes. 780 00:35:57,793 --> 00:36:00,793 And I have some information here that will astound you. 781 00:36:00,793 --> 00:36:04,275 Wow, wow, 'cause I've always suspected 782 00:36:04,275 --> 00:36:07,896 but I didn't know that there was a playbook. 783 00:36:07,896 --> 00:36:09,379 There's a playbook. 784 00:36:09,379 --> 00:36:12,758 That manual in particular dictates some other thing 785 00:36:12,758 --> 00:36:14,482 that the Air Force can blame it on 786 00:36:14,482 --> 00:36:18,034 and exactly how we try to discredit people. Oh, my gosh. 787 00:36:18,034 --> 00:36:20,793 There are incidents where the sighting 788 00:36:20,793 --> 00:36:21,896 was, in fact, a UFO. 789 00:36:21,896 --> 00:36:26,068 We knew it was not from this earth. 790 00:36:26,068 --> 00:36:27,482 Extraterrestrial. 791 00:36:33,655 --> 00:36:35,448 NARRATOR: Ben Hansen is meeting with Rick Doty, 792 00:36:35,448 --> 00:36:38,103 a former agent of the shadow government. 793 00:36:38,103 --> 00:36:40,896 He claims he was one of the Air Force special agents 794 00:36:40,896 --> 00:36:45,344 sent out to cover up the existence of UFOs. 795 00:36:45,344 --> 00:36:47,413 There are incidents where the sighting 796 00:36:47,413 --> 00:36:48,655 was, in fact, a UFO. 797 00:36:48,655 --> 00:36:52,758 We knew it was not from this earth. 798 00:36:52,758 --> 00:36:54,724 Extraterrestrial. 799 00:36:54,724 --> 00:36:57,103 Those particular sightings, 800 00:36:57,103 --> 00:36:59,103 we had to disinform the public. 801 00:36:59,103 --> 00:37:00,448 We got to make those people -- 802 00:37:00,448 --> 00:37:02,724 make them think that what they saw 803 00:37:02,724 --> 00:37:05,000 was something other than a UFO, 804 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,896 such as Mars or Venus or a swamp gas. 805 00:37:08,896 --> 00:37:10,137 That is incredible. 806 00:37:10,137 --> 00:37:12,103 I've been investigating the case 807 00:37:12,103 --> 00:37:15,103 from 1966 in Dexter, Michigan. 808 00:37:15,103 --> 00:37:18,448 And a lot of people there were made to believe 809 00:37:18,448 --> 00:37:21,724 that this incident was nothing more than swamp gas. 810 00:37:21,724 --> 00:37:23,793 Do you think the government was involved? 811 00:37:23,793 --> 00:37:26,896 Yes. Sounds like the government was involved in that. 812 00:37:26,896 --> 00:37:29,137 For example, the Phoenix Lights, 813 00:37:29,137 --> 00:37:31,103 more recently -- 1997. 814 00:37:31,103 --> 00:37:33,620 They come out and say flares. 815 00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:36,172 Do you see the same pattern repeating here? 816 00:37:36,172 --> 00:37:37,862 Yes. 817 00:37:37,862 --> 00:37:41,206 There's a special unit, and they're now classified 818 00:37:41,206 --> 00:37:42,586 as the men in black. 819 00:37:42,586 --> 00:37:46,344 These people are trained to go out and collect intelligence 820 00:37:46,344 --> 00:37:48,379 in a very mysterious manner. 821 00:37:48,379 --> 00:37:50,793 They were the master of disguises. 822 00:37:50,793 --> 00:37:52,862 And then they'll come in more secretly. 823 00:37:52,862 --> 00:37:55,000 They won't come in 824 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,206 spreading out their badges and credentials. 825 00:37:58,206 --> 00:37:59,448 Are you familiar 826 00:37:59,448 --> 00:38:02,137 with a lot of the details of the Dexter case? 827 00:38:02,137 --> 00:38:05,310 Yeah, I saw it in a classified report, yes. 828 00:38:05,310 --> 00:38:08,310 Because I talked to Ron Mannor, who's the son of Frank Mannor, 829 00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:12,896 and both -- father, son -- saw this object. 830 00:38:12,896 --> 00:38:15,655 Is it possible that someone came to his dad 831 00:38:15,655 --> 00:38:18,241 and kind of helped him change his story? 832 00:38:18,241 --> 00:38:20,758 That sounds like something OSI would do. 833 00:38:20,758 --> 00:38:22,275 [ Scoffs ] 834 00:38:22,275 --> 00:38:24,241 NARRATOR: Over time, Frank Mannor's account 835 00:38:24,241 --> 00:38:26,896 of the Dexter UFO incident changed, 836 00:38:26,896 --> 00:38:29,793 and the public lost faith in his story. 837 00:38:29,793 --> 00:38:32,379 But is it possible he was one of the victims 838 00:38:32,379 --> 00:38:35,724 of a government campaign to hide the truth? 839 00:38:35,724 --> 00:38:37,344 I've investigated a lot of incidents 840 00:38:37,344 --> 00:38:40,793 where I disinformed people or disinform the public. 841 00:38:40,793 --> 00:38:42,517 I believed that we had a mission 842 00:38:42,517 --> 00:38:44,896 and we were doing what we were supposed to do 843 00:38:44,896 --> 00:38:46,000 and we were protecting society. 844 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,482 We were protecting the national defense. 845 00:38:48,482 --> 00:38:50,517 But the reason I come and speak now 846 00:38:50,517 --> 00:38:53,206 is because I don't believe that we did it right. 847 00:38:53,206 --> 00:38:55,862 There's this thread of disinformation 848 00:38:55,862 --> 00:38:57,275 that is making it very difficult 849 00:38:57,275 --> 00:39:00,310 for us to know what is true and what is not. 850 00:39:00,310 --> 00:39:03,413 Why is the government covering up these UFO sightings? 851 00:39:03,413 --> 00:39:05,103 They're not going to go to the public 852 00:39:05,103 --> 00:39:06,413 and say, "You know what? 853 00:39:06,413 --> 00:39:08,758 We just had an incident in Dexter, and it was an unknown." 854 00:39:08,758 --> 00:39:10,034 Imagine what the American people, 855 00:39:10,034 --> 00:39:11,586 especially people around Dexter, would think. 856 00:39:11,586 --> 00:39:13,896 "Oh, my God, are we being invaded?" 857 00:39:13,896 --> 00:39:16,000 They had to cover it up as an unknown. 858 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,310 It's about time the public knows. 859 00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:21,310 They need to know. They deserve to know. 860 00:39:21,310 --> 00:39:22,965 I thank you so much for filling me in 861 00:39:22,965 --> 00:39:24,000 and giving me these insights. 862 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,862 This is amazing. 863 00:39:25,862 --> 00:39:27,793 After hearing Rick's disclosure, 864 00:39:27,793 --> 00:39:30,241 Ben decides to call Frances Barwood 865 00:39:30,241 --> 00:39:33,206 and update her with what he's uncovered. 866 00:39:33,206 --> 00:39:35,896 Frances, hi, it's Ben Hansen. How are you doing? 867 00:39:35,896 --> 00:39:37,482 BARWOOD: I'm doing good, Ben. 868 00:39:37,482 --> 00:39:40,413 I have some very interesting information for you. 869 00:39:40,413 --> 00:39:43,241 Somebody who actually worked for the Air Force, 870 00:39:43,241 --> 00:39:44,965 whose name is Rick Doty, 871 00:39:44,965 --> 00:39:47,586 Rick tells me that his job 872 00:39:47,586 --> 00:39:50,586 was to actually contact witnesses 873 00:39:50,586 --> 00:39:52,793 who believed they had seen UFO sightings 874 00:39:52,793 --> 00:39:56,103 and to discredit them to the degree 875 00:39:56,103 --> 00:39:57,965 that they even had them believing 876 00:39:57,965 --> 00:39:59,793 that they themselves were crazy. 877 00:39:59,793 --> 00:40:03,482 I was just blown away by his disclosure. 878 00:40:03,482 --> 00:40:05,137 How does that make you feel? 879 00:40:26,896 --> 00:40:29,000 And that's what I want to ask you. 880 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,172 What are they afraid of? 881 00:40:30,172 --> 00:40:31,379 You think the government 882 00:40:31,379 --> 00:40:34,413 believes that UFOs are a national security threat? 883 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,793 Thank you so much for your courage 884 00:40:55,793 --> 00:40:57,689 and your efforts in this 885 00:40:57,689 --> 00:40:59,551 and taking these witnesses seriously 886 00:40:59,551 --> 00:41:01,620 and bringing their statements forward. 887 00:41:01,620 --> 00:41:02,896 Thank you. Alright. 888 00:41:02,896 --> 00:41:04,413 Talking with Frances Barwood 889 00:41:04,413 --> 00:41:06,482 and telling her what Rick Doty said, 890 00:41:06,482 --> 00:41:09,344 it really brings everything full-circle. 891 00:41:09,344 --> 00:41:11,965 I fully believe that what she experienced 892 00:41:11,965 --> 00:41:14,689 with these men in black and the video being taken 893 00:41:14,689 --> 00:41:17,000 and her phone being tapped 894 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,793 could possibly be exactly the type of thing 895 00:41:19,793 --> 00:41:21,896 that Rick Doty was working on with the Air Force 896 00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:23,310 in his special duties. 897 00:41:23,310 --> 00:41:27,000 This is what the government does to cover up the UFO story. 898 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,413 [ Warbling ] 899 00:41:28,413 --> 00:41:31,655 We have seen this decade after decade. 900 00:41:31,655 --> 00:41:34,896 If you go back from 1966 in Dexter, Michigan, 901 00:41:34,896 --> 00:41:37,068 to the '97 Phoenix Lights, 902 00:41:37,068 --> 00:41:39,172 till now, we've confirmed 903 00:41:39,172 --> 00:41:42,034 that the government has provided disinformation... 904 00:41:42,034 --> 00:41:43,310 Swamp gas. 905 00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:45,655 ...interfered with the UFO investigations, 906 00:41:45,655 --> 00:41:47,137 tampered with the witnesses, 907 00:41:47,137 --> 00:41:49,241 and they're controlling the media. 908 00:41:49,241 --> 00:41:52,965 The government comes out with such a ridiculous explanation. 909 00:41:52,965 --> 00:41:54,586 [ Whoosh ] Whoa! 910 00:41:54,586 --> 00:41:58,896 It insults the intelligence of these very credible witnesses. 911 00:41:58,896 --> 00:42:01,379 There was a sense of kind of a betrayal. 912 00:42:01,379 --> 00:42:03,551 And after all of this, for what? 913 00:42:03,551 --> 00:42:07,000 It's absolutely shocking, it's disheartening, 914 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:07,068 and to think that it still might be going on today. 69403

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