All language subtitles for [English (auto-generated)] Piers Morgan vs Bassem Youssef Round 2 _ Two-Hour Special Interview [DownSub.com]

well basson Piers it's good to see you

it's good to see you too um last time

obviously we did it remotely yes you

were here I was in London and you

complained that it was an unfair

situation you couldn't see me your

earpiece kept falling out yes so I

thought okay fair enough I hear you I

got on a plane I flew 6 and a half

thousand miles and not only that we're

doing it in somewhere that is very

familiar to you it's The Comedy Store in

Los Angeles where you performed many

times as a standup so I've done my bet

you did you did but actually this not

this not the first time we meet in

person no no we did originally in London

last year and I know that many people

are watching this for the first time I

know this but like I would really love

to tell the story of that moment because

uh I was having a a tour in the UK in

Europe and I was doing my English

standup and one of my uh you know

advertis promotion plan was to come on

your show so my Asian Congress like B

you're going to be be on Peters Morgan I

said damn he like what's wrong it's like

well uh Peters Morgan blocked me on

Twitter I did and he said like what did

you do I said well during January 6th

you know the in Direction you know uh

you tweeted something about it and I was

so angry at what's happening and I

remember you having you and Donald Trump

in a picture and I said said the guy who

had Donald Trump with him whatever and

then I I I used like very harsh words

and of course you block me so I and then

I said like does he know I don't know

does he know I don't know does he know I

don't know so I walked into the studio

and the moment I was like being seated

and they're preparing before we go on

air and you said oh hi Basim it seems

that you have more followers than me but

it seems that I blocked you

why and I told you and then we we said

the story on air and it was funny

because I made a joke I like you have

always been standing against cancel

culture and you just canceled me on the

but we agreed that this is not canceling

because this is your own space and

you're free but now you're unblocked me

and we are and we're here and we here

and it was yeah and actually we agreed

about January the 6th by the way just

for the record um the I was don't about

you maybe you weren't surprised I was

completely staggered by the response

globally to our interview several weeks

ago were you taken back by the scale of

it uh yes of course but I understand why

um for many years the media covering the

Middle East has uh been um showing a

certain point of view I'm not going to

say bias but I would say it did not

allow certain voices certain um voices

from the other side to be heard and that

is why you see the frustration you all

whenever you speak to people in the

Middle East they tell you the same thing

uh they they they not very happy with

the the coverage because our voices are

not heard now I am the least qualified

person ever to talk about this conflict

and yet just because I relate some of of

the talking points that we say and we

hear the whole time people felt hurt and

when you when people have this feeling

they they're happy they are they have

this response they said oh my God for

the for the first time the West are

actually hearing our point of view some

of the point of view might not be go

well with other people but at least we

have a conversation and I think that is

the reason why people reacted that way

yeah it's it's such an incendiary

subject matter I've never seen social

media so Ablaze with hostility on on

both sides did you actually as well as

enormous praise from the Arab world did

you also get criticized by some parts of

the Arab world for not going perhaps

hard enough oh you didn't do that you

didn't do that thing is this is like uh

you're damn if you do you're damn if you

not right if you don't speak up why

don't you speak up if you speak up you

didn't speak up if you're done why are

you if you speak up too much oh you're

taking all the attention on you and I I

love that fact because people people

always who accuse people of being the

center of attention they are actually

not very happy that the attention is not

on them this is actually like a rule on

social media but yeah there was a

backlash but there's also a backlash

from the other side which um I I mean

here and other comedy clubs I worked

with people from all kind of different

backgrounds Jewish Christians Muslims

Arabs atheists all kinds of people and

there are a lot of people who went to my

S like oh so you're a terrorist

sympathizer now you know and uh I think

it is important to have uh a

nuanced deep interesting intelligent

conversation a lot of people waiting for

this are kind yeah B Barry Pierce show

him and this is the problem with the

news today the problem is the news today

it's not about the news anymore it's

about the people giving you the news so

it becomes a show a circus two

Gladiators in the

Coliseum two pigs fighting the mud and

this is why people don't get anything

out of it it's a circus you know one of

the things I heard a lot was who is this

guy and they weren't talking about me

sometimes sometimes I want now obviously

you're very very well known in the Arab

you're known as the kind of they called

you the Arab John Stewart and you're

well known in America but you weren't

that well known for example in the UK uh

and I think what this interview did it

made a lot of people think wow all right

this this is incredible but tell me more

about Bassam MF and I I did a bit of

research into your life and is a

fascinating Journey that you've gone on

to get here to Los Angeles and I think

it's worth just taking a little beat

here to talk about this because you

began in Cairo as a heart surgeon me

that was your career path yes and and

you were a heart surgeon I was a heart

surgeon until yeah uh I spent 19 years

in that car 7 years in medical school 12

years as a practicing doctor and uh 2011

happened and the revolution happened and

I had my own show on YouTube I did like

small videos well I'm going to come to

this because I was in I by coincidence I

had just joined CNN to replace the great

Larry King and I hadn't actually done

any live show I'd done a few weeks since

I joined of taped interviews with big

names Donald Trump Oprah Winfrey things

like that and I was flying back to Los

Angeles when I got a message that Egypt

was going up in start of the Arab Spring

and I actually went to a studio very

near here about a mile down the road on

sun the CNN studio the old Larry King

studio and I went live for the first

time and it was about the Arab Spring it

was about what was happening in Egypt

and at the same time you in Egypt were

actually in Tera Square helping wounded

protesters actually medically treating

them yeah yeah uh I mean this was a kind

of movement that inspired a lot of

Egyptians um at the time I was you know

I was in the hospital and a lot of

people just volunteered and the Nur like

giving us like supplies go go go and we

were going there and we were basically

tending to the wounded because it is and

and it kind of gives you a different

perspective when you

see helpless defenseless people who do

who are not armed they are being beaten

by Security Forces military forces being

shot being uh you know hurt and uh all

we can do is just like provide some

medical attention and it kind of gives

you a perspective to see how Humanity

sometimes can show its most ugly fa and

the suppression of free speech freedom

of expression yeah the ability of people

to say what they honestly feel about a

situation yes and the suppression of

people's basic rise to Freedom

absolutely yeah and uh that kind of like

taught me a lot and uh and inspired me

to do the show but you know well you

start it's a crazy story this and I I

want to tell it because you just decided

to do five minute stuff on YouTube yeah

and you are expecting a few people to

watch it and then literally it just

flies and suddenly you're getting

millions of people watching this and

very quickly one of the big networks

comes in and then you're suddenly doing

this stuff for 30 to 40 million people

like a third of the entire population of

Egypt is tuning in to watch it you're

the biggest star of Egyptian television

oh please you are don't

stop somebody I mean what an

extraordinary thing though for a heart

surgeon to go from helping protesters

medically into Ria Square the start of

the Arab Spring to within a year you're

the biggest star on Egyptian television

it's a crazy thing it doesn't sound as

glamorous as this it's it feels it it

felt horrible did it why oh yeah

overnight Fame this size it's toxic

terrible terrible it it it's it corrupts

it it it it goes into your soul soul and

it's not good it's not I I I actually

didn't enjoy it uh and the worst the

worst part about is that like you're

trying to do comedy in very

controversial Climate about very

controversial issues so you'll never

never satisfy people and the problem is

that you're people have these

expectations oh if you are successful in

this you must be successful at solving

this and when things are not solved

because Politics as you

know very difficult to solve uh the the

that expectation this love turns into

hate and and and this is and this is one

of many many reasons that I had to leave

and I and I came here eventually well I

want let's just take people through what

happened because they probably don't

know a lot of people so during the

presidency of Muhammad Mory who was a

democratically elected islamist you you

had relative freedom to start but then

the more you went after government

propaganda the more you stood up for the

people against the government then the

trouble started morsy wanted to shut you

up you eventually get dragged through

the courts I was arrested I was arrested

for one day it was a warrant for my

arrest and then I turned myself in and I

was

interrogated and it was the funniest

interrogation ever and in my standup

shows I I I talk about that scene cuz

the gods were reading the stuff out and

laughing right well the guards were

taking selfies with me which is funny

and and the uh and and it the exchange

between me and the inter and persecutor

G persecutor was extremely funny I mean

I don't like to victimize myself I don't

like oh look at that I actually like to

find humor why were you arrested what

was the criteria oh yeah the I I think

the list was insulting Islam insulting

the president spreading false rumors and

disrupting the fabric of society and uh

and it was I think the people in the

room didn't know what to do with me

because they ended up discussing my

jokes so it turned into a writer's room

and I I was kind of like how do you

think we make this funnier and it was

the funniest exchange ever and after six

hours I I was let go and uh was it scary

though at the same time that suddenly

the Machinery was getting a grip of you

because it was to get a lot scarier but

was it in that moment when you first got

arrested you thought I'm being arrested

for breaching my freedom of speech

right for some reason I I I just like

went with the flow I went to the

interrogation wearing the big hat I went

to the show it was it was just I I just

wanted this to be a farce because I I

just like you you're really coming after

the comedian and it it was it I I I just

tried to enjoy myself but deep inside I

was

dying well you actually it gets serious

enough where you may have died because

actually morsy gets of course deposed

incomes General LCC in a coup a military

coup and he doesn't find satar a

laughing matter particularly when the

jokes are about him you get blocked they

literally block your show from

airing I aired one episode and it's

interesting this is this is a very

interesting story because the first

episode that was aired after the removal

in the Muslim Brotherhood everybody was

waiting to see what I will say because

by that time all of the Islamic channels

that were mean like me and me and

Islamic Channel like it's like they had

five channels and they were like me and

them going like that they they had like

five Chan I have only one hour a week

and then they were removed and then a

lot of the other desent voices were also

being shut down now people are waiting

what will Bim say and on the day that

the show aired the next day I went I

went out and everybody's like good good

at least somebody is speaking it was a

very controversial episode nobody liked

it and yet everybody liked it because

people said like you're supporting the

coup no you're the Muslim Brotherhood

everybody accused me of something all I

did in that episode was just being a

mirror of what is happening in the

street and showing them how ridiculous

it is you didn't take your fixed

position well my position depending on

where what's your position what did you

intend your position my my position was

to show the

Ridiculousness of how the people now was

like oh we got rid of Islamic fascism

but we are heading towards another

fascism uh there was and there was a

song that I did that was very

controversial people it it's very funny

the the pr Muslim Brotherhood thought

that this is a disrespect to the people

who died and on the other side the

people said that this is a disrespect to

the Army and when you manage to offend

everybody you know you're right yes and

in the people in the midd it's like oh

you weren't you weren't tough enough and

I was told I like why didn't you go

after the the the the the ceiling of

Freedom just went down and I was just

like it was very diff it is very

difficult to go

against an an authority that is very

that was very popular at the time and

especially a military Authority with all

all of experience oh yeah of weaponizing

these situations you had death threats

people would always choose most of the

time they always choose the military

form rather than the religious form

because they they kind of like uh at Le

they are not infringing on my personal

freedom not yet but you had threats on

your life didn't you oh all the time I

don't talk about that because like I

have been having death threats like did

never stopped since 2011 never stopped

have they continued since our last

interview oh yeah they never stopped

people threatening to kill you all the

time

why for what reason oh for just saying

something that they don't like oh

because you you are against Egypt you're

against Islam you're against our

president you're against God it it never

stops it never stops it doesn't doesn't

bother you I mean if you die you die you

know if you die you die I mean since

since when whatever like no bodyguards

deflected a bullet you know maybe the

guy who with Ronald Reagan but I I I I I

I think it's like whatever even like at

a certain point I actually had like

private security and then I told them I

can't I I cannot live like that if if

that's my destiny if I die I just

die you end up with your lawyer send you

got to get out of here you got to get

out of Egypt it's getting too dangerous

yeah something bad's going to happen

you're going to get arrested again and

probably sung in jail or you're going to

going to try and kill you and you flee

to Dubai and then you end up here in

America yes was that always the plan to

eventually come to America or was it

expediency because of what happened well

it's funny that you said that because I

visited the United States after the

first year of my show and uh um a doctor

that's there Gyptian doctor has been

there for for a while asisten Bim you

you are very visible in the media and I

think you can use that to apply for a

green card as a special talent and I did

and I said like I I I have like a huge

show is actually the criteria because I

have the same is uh alien of exceptional

ability is what they call you charmingly

yes we're very we exceptionally able

aliens we are but we are still aliens

yeah I know it always makes me laugh you

can come here but you are an alien alien

but you're exceptional and uh I um I

just applied for it and I got it I got

the time 100 that helped both from my uh

my application I said ah maybe I'm not

going to use it and then when that

happens oh that green card came handy so

a lot of people think that I'm here on

Asylum I'm not I just it was just a stri

good luck you now do stand up and you

done it for 5 years and fascinatingly

you do some of it for an Arab audience

have whole in Arabic and and an English

speaking version and they're probably

very different right different

sensibilities different humor different

crowds different expectation M yes well

well the Arab audience come to my show

they expect that it's going to be

another version of my show that I didn't

Egypt and I said no it's my personal

story and that when the Arabs come to my

English shows like they think this like

an English version of there of the show

was like no it's a different story even

then this weekend right before I met you

because of our interview I sold out

Arizona really yes and I and I and I

stood and the first thing I said like

who here came before over the peers

Morgan show I was like like I was like

boy you're going to be disappointed

because this is not about that but isn't

that amazing I mean that shows the power

of that interview resent even in in

Arizona here yeah because I don't want I

don't want to be I don't want to succeed

just because of a trending moment of

time it is the sh same show that I've

been working and perfecting and like any

standup comedian in the United States

your dream is what is to sell you

special to platforms like next HBO and

you want to get there because for me

that was like a like a re like a rebirth

because I thought like everything was

lost I came here I had

nothing first three four years it was

Terri the first two years I was doing

stand up oh I bombed hard I bombed hard

and I I went home crying I said like I'm

not going going to make it and then

suddenly I have already a tour I mean

even before our show I already had a set

tour and now I'm having like this

ability of like talking to people with

different languages talking to all these

different language the show that I did

in Arizona had an incredible mix of

Arabs and Americans and they came here

and they completely and there a lot of

them came they were Palestinians and

they came with like the Palestinian

flags and the cfea and they thought it's

like guys it's like the way laughter

being good at your job in in is in in

its way a a way of resistance because

when you laugh when you tell when you

show people that hey they have Arab

people here and they are by the Arabs

and Palestinians population Arizona one

of the most established population in

the United States Arabs nut s in general

they are like professionals doctors

Engineers professors even the Uber

drivers they are probably were like an

engineer or someone very established

there but he had to had like a step down

in order to come here and survive m i

mean we don't we we we hardly come find

like illegal aliens here from or people

like came here that were not qualified

so the and this is the problem of this

is why the reason people were very happy

of our interview because for for because

part of the

hate on both sides is that we see the

news from a different perspective and

people here see the news from another

perspective and everybody's like why are

those people reacting like this because

they don't see what the other person

sees and I hope in that interview that

we can bridge that Gap yes before before

we can I can I can I show okay so this

is a gift from me and my wife this is uh

olive oil from the West Bank ah whenever

you go to I go to Jordan a lot but my

wife also like ask for the oil from the

West Bank it's very

good it is the best oil ever and the

thing is olive trees they they know they

survive up to 600 years MH and they are

passed from one generation to the other

and uh it is like a family heritage and

the way that you do it so this is zat

zat is basically Thyme and you add to it

Sesame and a bunch of herbs and the way

that you eat that you take like a piece

of bread we don't have to do it now

maybe at the end of the interview the

end and you basically you soak it a

little bit in the oil and then you take

the outter and I I'll

demonstrate

here and then and then

here I love it well I love Arabic food

so the end of the interview you're

living with this o I will take that well

thank you and it's very kind of your

wife thank you thank you very much for

me well I'm done whoot it but it's

okay obviously you started the last

interview with I mean I would argue

savagely dark humor involving your wife

M how you been trying to kill her and

she was using your kids as human Shields

and stuff and I I'll be honest with you

I'm still trying to but I but you know

what when I failed you know what I did I

went out to the house and I just like

randomly slapped other neighbors you

know it's interesting by mistake now

this time I'm ready for you okay this

time I'm ready for the humor oh you're

ready okay but it's interesting because

last time I was very taken aback and I

remember thinking as you were doing this

at right off the top I remember feeling

very uncomfortable unusually

uncomfortable and thinking I didn't know

how to react to that I didn't know

whether I was supposed to laugh or be

silent or and I sort of ended up sort of

slightly grimacing half laugh and

listening and then I realized it was

very powerful what you were doing it was

satirical but it was savagely satirical

and extremely effective and that's why I

think the interview did so well but I'm

not going to pretend that I found it

easy to listen to it or to react to it

because I didn't you know why because

all I did was just take the talking

points that's been in the media not just

for after October 7th all through the

conflict it's always like we need to

kill it all right you need to kill five

no kill 10 you need to kill some no kill

all this is what satire does you takes

take reality flip on his head

exaggerated and then you can see how

sometimes very uncomfortable and even

sometimes stupid that sounds

because I was just reacting to whatever

the media is telling me it's like oh

yeah okay do it come there's no push

back so suddenly the person who's

proposing The Most Extreme Measures like

oh take it oh that's too much so that

that was like a very simple technique I

just talk took the talking point and

just exaggerated it was it was

devastatingly effective I um first

before we go any further how is your

wife's family because she is a

Palestinian yeah are they okay are no

they're good they're good they are safe

for now yeah um and as like that last

week there was no internet as you have

yes you know I saw you tweet at the IDF

it's like how can they know you know how

many views that tweets at nearly 40

million yeah me just saying how are they

going to see this message if you've cut

the internet off yeah I'm I'm wondering

if the idf's like why aren't the

Palestinians liking my tweet because

they don't see it right no but I thought

that was a perfectly yeah correct

assessment of it yeah um but the

reaction to that tweet I did was

enormous as everything is in this in

this thing and I had a lot of people say

finally p you get it right finally you

get it and and I wanted to say listen

I'm I'm trying to reach a place where I

get this but it's an incredibly

complicated issue for someone who is not

Arabic or Jewish to poke their head into

and I've had to cover it as a journalist

for a long long time think I said to you

before that I was elit of a Daily Mirror

in England when we opposed the Iraq War

for example so you know I have taken

stands on this thing on this one I find

and I'm going to be completely straight

with you I discussed this with Jordan

Peterson

um this week and he did a pretty incend

tweet in which he said give him hell

Netanyahu enough is enough and he was

actually very self-reflective about that

in the interview we did this week where

he later issued a 20 minute video

because he said sometimes a oneline

tweet can be unnecessarily inflammatory

to people much better to take time to

explain it here's here's where I've got

to with this conflict

now I viewed what happened on October

the 7th as is an absolutely appalling

atrocity a terror attack of unimaginable

horror and I absolutely think that

Israel has a right to defend itself from

the people who committed it Hass and

I've questioned for the last three four

weeks what is a proportionate response

and I have said repeatedly I don't know

the answer I want people who have a view

to have a view about that and I'll ask

you again about where you think we are

with this I also acknowledge that that

Hamas live among civilian population in

Gaza and therefore if you do what the

Israelis are currently doing which is a

ground offensive into Gaza a lot of

civilians are going to get killed and at

what point does that become

disproportionate or even

illegal and I don't know the answers to

those questions and I have a moral

quandry because my instinct is to say

that Israel has no choice but to respond

to what happened in a very forceful

manner I understand why they want to

eliminate Hamas Al together I understand

that if they feel they can then perhaps

we can move to a a two-state solution or

peace or whatever it may be alth I don't

think Netanyahu will ever be the person

to do that but the the moral question

for me is at what point does this become

disproportionate and when you see

thousands of children being killed in

Gaza it fills me with utter horror and

then people say well do you condemn it

and I find it very easy easy to condemn

Israel turning off the water Israel

turning off the power I think it's

ridiculous that Israel should have that

power over millions of people who are

not part of their country I think it's

terrible what's happening in the West

Bank with the settlers I think that the

stuff there is completely easy to

condemn but can I hand on heart condemn

Israel trying to destroy Hamas after

what they did on October the 7th that is

where I'm struggling to find myself

saying I condemn it because I believe

that they are right to try and Destroy

Hamas now what do you feel about my

moral quandry well there is there's a

lot of points very lot and I think this

is this was kind of like L the ground

rules for that uh interview there is a

whole thing about like is the right to

defend itself the condemnation first of

all let's start with condemnation yes

you want my opinion yes condemning Hamas

or condemning Israel yes completely

useless completely useless why

you I condemn Hamas you condemn Israel

interviews over what happened nothing it

is just

checkpoint like morality checkpoints but

I've interviewed a lot of pro

Palestinians for example some of whom

will immediately say I unreservedly

condemn the terror attacks of October

the 7th and then go on to criticize

Israel and I think that's a very well

it's a position I can completely respect

yeah but I find it much harder to

respect a pro Palestinian guest on my

show if they simply resolutely refuse to

say that they can condemn the terror

attacks I find that less worthy of

respect but you see this is the problem

with the news we go into the circular

motion of the same as one thing that I

have noticed not just on the coverage of

these events the the the events before

and before and before every time this

starts people say we don't know what's

happening it's a very complicated

situation what is happening now and for

me as a viewer if a conflict that's been

there for 75 years and the media with

all this technology has been covering it

and we hear the same exact words we

don't know what's happening it's

complicated it's a very complex that is

a failure of the media apparatus that is

the failure to themselves and for the

audience because why every time this

happens it seems like it is happening

from from from point zero and I think to

help understand that I will get to

October 7th I will get to the

condemnation I will get to the

selfdefense but I think maybe we can do

we have like all the time in the world

and we can discuss this could this

interview could be a bookmark Landmark

for maybe looking at that conflict in a

deeper way that nobody had gone there

before we have the views we have people

waiting you know as I said I'm the least

qualified to discuss that but it's an

opportunity to useen I'm not massively

well qualified myself yeah both of us

like I'm an Irish Catholic look at us

two privileged people one white one one

white white WABE discussing discussing

the the most complex conflict of of our

of our history but I want to start in a

totally different area I want to start

with anti-Semitism yes I think it's an

important issue yes I think there is a

rise of anti-em semitism in the world

and I think there is uh this is very

dangerous and I as a Muslim who has been

through events where the were terrorist

attacks somewhere and that reflects to

us on us I I completely completely feel

that uh since what happened I had text

message from the je friends are you okay

are you are wise family okay and I was

texting them are you okay are and I

think it is very

important to agree on the language

because the word

anti-semite has been used and abused and

most most most of the time not on for

the you know for the good in um interest

of the Jewish people because the first

two days of the coverage I watched the

news and I and there was a lot of um

protest that was led by Jewish voice for

peace and they were read by people who

opposed the Israeli attack on the

civilians and I remember quite well many

of the Republican representatives in

Congress came out and they were called

calling these the global in the global

Jihad I love it when they say Jihad they

sound like a horse Jihad it's very funny

and or they they say like these are and

I quote Iranian backed jihadists and I

said wait a minute but most of those

people are Jewish those people who took

over the capital the same people who

took over Central Station in New York

which is known as the biggest Civil

Disobedience event in America in the

last two decades they were all Jewish

and then I find Nikki haly saying

anti-zionism equals

anti-Semitism and then I remember it's

like oh Jewish people in America are

saddled by the fact that they are not

citizens of America or citizens of the

world but they are citizens of Israel

and they have to back Israel in whatever

they do and these are not my words these

are the words of John Stewart he went

out and he said he said like and he said

it's is very very important to divide

these two and what is very very

interesting would you compare that on

that specific point to the way that

people try and say all Palestinians are

responsible and accountable for what

Hamas do yes yeah in other words I think

you can be very critical of Israeli

government and their policies and

Benjamin Netanyahu and the politicians

but that doesn't mean that you have to

take that criticism to innocent Israelis

who may have exactly the same criticism

themselves and this is why it is very

important to have these kind of

discussions because it the fun is not

the the funniest the saddest thing that

I saw is the people that were in so much

support of Israel are anti-semite

themselves MTG MTG MTG uh merie Taylor

green you know she said like oh those

are I send my AIDS and they took

pictures of the protesters basically

she's surveilling protesters

and M Taylor green is very known for a

very famous Post in 2018 where she

blamed the californ wild fires on a

Jewish space laser gun do you remember

that do you remember that I say like oh

they were burn because Jewish investors

Rothchild and fin anything was that ends

with Stein because that's of course

sounds of Jewish they put a satellite

and shooting laser beams

to and and and not just her you have

Steve

scolis thank you so much he is the now

the the speaker of the house and he has

been invited before in a in a for an

organization that was funded by David

Duke the founder of the KKK you have

Kevin McCarthy who is the former

minority speaker leader of of Republican

party in the house and he accused Jewish

billionaires of rigging the midterm so

how come those people are accusing us of

anti-semite so here's the thing so go

let's go to the equation that Niki Haley

put on Twitter anti-zionism equals

anti-semitism no it is true people who

hate Jews they're also anti Zionist it

is true and you could be someone who

hate Zionist who don't like Zionist and

you are Semite you could even be Jewish

and guess what you could be a Zionist

like those

people uh supporting Israel and at the

same time you hate the Jews because the

chant Jews will not replace us these

echoed in Charlottesville it did not

echo in Gaza I mean in Gaza they say War

stuff in in between the bombing under

downtime but and these are are the same

people who are seen with Nick

Fuentes with

uh with Steven benon and you know what's

most interesting for dinner Mar and all

of those people are buddies with

Benjamin Netanyahu so how does this work

how does this work and you know the

people who speak against this like John

Stewart Like Bernie Sanders like uh

Naomi Klein what do they call these

people what do they call them

self-hating Jews and you know what else

now they call them they call them capus

capus you know what's capus capus

basically these were the Jewish inmate

in aitz that were forced by the Nazis to

stand as guards on their own inmates you

see how degrading this is and this is

the way to shut down conversation

anti-semite islamophobe you hate America

you hate the military you hate Egypt war

on Christmas this is how you sh an

environment that does not allow

disagreement is not an environment made

for it's an environment made for control

let me ask you this on say temp student

protests in America universities I have

no problem instinctively with students

protesting it's actually part of the DNA

of being a student right but I do have a

problem with two things one the protest

that happened almost immediately after

October the 7th within hours which were

clearly deeply deliberately inflammatory

and hurtful to Jewish

people secondly I have a real problem

with the students who were beaming

direct Pro Hamas slogans onto buildings

on campuses in America you know I'm all

for free speech and I really am the

whole show is predicated from that but

not to the point where you see Jewish

students barricaded into libraries

because a mob is descending on them

there is a distinction to me between

people who are obviously overtly I mean

there was a professor at Cornell

University who was literally seen in

public shouting how exhilarated he felt

by the attacks of October the 7th he

still hasn't been fired that guy I think

that crosses a line to you yeah I do not

like this way I mean I can understand

why but I don't condone it I would never

because you have to understand these

people again I'm not supporting the I

just want to make sure about two things

the reason that I started with

anti-Semitism because I wanted to make

sure to clear any confusion that when I

speak about Israel I'm speaking about

Israel yes when I speak about Jewish

people I'm speak about Jewish people yes

when I speak of my it's very because I

think it was very powerful that you did

that I that's the first thing you did

because I think it's really important

yeah but at the same time when I tell

you why does that happen it doesn't mean

that I condone it there's a difference

between explanation and

justification those people who are

exhilarated the way that they this is

the the same uh reason why people were

so happy about the

interview what do they see they see

Israel as a criminal State who is

killing their people and in the same

time they are supported by the

International Community

America they have no guns they have no

superpower backing them all they have is

just feeling of Happiness like yes our

enemies that we cannot touch them has

been hurt all they can think about that

these are their enemies that have been

hurt right I'm not condoning this but

again like when people were uh

celebrating terrorist attacks you know

against Western uh Western targets of

course I don't condone that but why

because those people has been from from

a very young age what have seen they're

not being heard by the media the The

Plight and the suffering of their

brothers in is in in Palestine in the

Arab world are not being heard people in

Iraq you know like when when America and

Britain invaded Iraq right what what the

Arabs saw it's like two superpowers are

coming in on on just regular people so

whenever there was like a bomb or like

an attack on American troops people

would celebrate yeah there are enemies

emotions are very inflammatory and it is

not right but those people have nothing

else all they just like shout all they

say is like to to to rejoice it is not

right again I'm explaining why is this

happening because it's like yeah if I

cannot get you I'm just going to scratch

your eyes I'm going to scratch your eyes

because because you've been beating me

all the time and you have the whole

International Community backing you up

and all I can do is Scream is it right

no but it is understandable again not

the right thing but I it's not like

understandable it's like oh I no but

again it is an explanation now hate and

again this is another way why this has

been magnified in the media so much what

does the Western audience see they see

people rejoicing for the death of

innocent civilians in

Israel this is what have the Arabs seen

for years in in on the Arab board for

example if you look up sidro

Cinema this is in 2014 when when Israel

was bombing Gaza as usual and the

Israelis in the sidro uh uh the Kuts or

the the settlement they were see they

went on a hill and they had popcorn and

they had drinks and they were like

watching the show and they were cheering

with every rocket coming down this is

what we see Western people didn't see

that well somebody found a tweet

actually of mine from

2014 in which I said at what point does

what Israel is currently doing to the

Palestinian people will become terrorism

and because I've always said you know

I've spoken about this a lot over the

years and I've always tried to be

extremely fair-minded albeit nobody

really wants you to be fair-minded they

want you to take a side but that was

clear that my thinking back then was

that they were absolutely overstepping

absolutely absolutely but I'm again to

the point of rejoicing no I know what

you mean but like if you for example

Google Google the wedding of hate this

is like an a Jewish wedding in Israel

where they were celebrating the arson

and the of Palestinian to be clear I've

seen lots of vide but I'm not talking to

you pierce I'm I'm talking to the

Western audience because because I want

to see like I want to say like this is

what they see I mean for example there

is a very famous video for Sam Abu Z who

is like a young kid that he was shot

Point Black by an Israeli soldier and he

would not allowed to have any medical

attention and as his dead body was being

put into the ab ambulance the Jewish

settlers were cheering so for an Arab

audience this is what we see every day

so when they see oh we heard them back

we heard their people like they heard

back it is not right but this is what

hates does it escalates it feeds each

other radicalism feeds it it is terrible

and it is a it is just like a vicious

circle so I would like to do something

that is very interesting toight I want

when I invited John Stewart to my show

as much of like a reception that you if

you see the YouTube people just like we

had to cut the 5 minute standing ovation

for broadcast people was on their feet

for 5 minutes they could not believe it

I remember John telling me I could never

imagined that a Jewish guy from New

Jersey would have that kind of reception

in K and yet on the internet people who

would what you brought a Jew on your

show why you are with a Jew yes hate is

there yes so and and the thing is like

why we do not see each other people in

the Middle East people in the west that

we do not put ourselves in each other

shoes and I want to do something very

interesting today I want to give I I'm

I'm I'm I like telling stories and I'm

going to tell you a very nice story and

this is the story surprise surprise of

the suffering and the plight of the

Jewish people and I want to say that

because it is very inter when you see

the

trauma and the suffering that the people

on the other side went through you might

understand why why they coming so so

this this

is see this mhm this is a map of all of

the history of the expulsion of the Jews

in Europe they' have been like I have

not never seen a minority being kicked

around this much right and of course

this comes back to the you know the

whole idea about the original sin that

you have uh betrayed the Jesus Christ

the the the the the the blood of Jesus

is on your head and then comes the 11th

century at that time Jewish people were

not allowed to own land they were just

peasants even some of the professions

were not even allowed to participate in

but they were allowed to do one thing

usually money lending because it was

prohibited by the Catholic Church to

engage into that so what happens when

you work in money you get richer right

and those Jews left in ghettos now

ghettos was not just like isolated

neighborhoods in cities sometimes

ghettos were outside the cities this is

like how is isolated their were and in

those GTO they have to pay gold to the

mayor or the governor or the prince or

the noble so they would see you're

getting richer I need more taxes so they

pay tax what happens when you have a

business and they increase your rent you

increase your service increase the taxes

increase so what happened what the

Christians started to default and

suddenly the image of the greedy Jew was

created Merchant of Venice if it

will feed nothing else it will feed my

venge you know like never did I see

known a creature like you know like like

uh I can't remember that never I saw

that a creature that looked like a man

so keen and greedy confound so confound

of a man you know English I messed it up

anyways but this is this is was the

image greedy Jew the greed je this was

created because of their conditions and

it came became more for in

1095 when Pope Urban II called for the

First Crusade to go and and and and save

the birth the birth of Jesus from the

unbelievers Muslim and you know this

crusade did not kill a single Muslim you

know how many people they killed 2,000

Jews because it's like wait the

nonbelievers are all over there why so

they went to the it's called The

Crusades of the Rin land they went to

the Jewish Community because hey we own

the money so let's kill them better than

paying them and then came the plague and

then all of the things like oh they're

killing babies babies who would that do

that to a baby you know and they accused

them of of poisoning the well this was

the kind of Oppression that the Jewish

people went through fast forward 19th

century there was like the Eastern Jew

in Ukraine and and Russia and there was

the Western Jews in

Europe those people in the East the

Eastern Jews had to immigrate because

they were PMs and they were like you

know kicked out and at a certain point

the people in the west especially in

England it's like H there are too many

Jews we need a solution a solution for

what for the Jewish problem so it's like

we need to get rid of them and you know

what Palestine was not even on the in

the a list Palestine was in the b list

because England proposed 6,000 square

miles in Uganda for the Jews

1903 and the reason why Palestine was

not on the list that it was objected by

a lot of rabbis that said like it's a

Promised Land but only when the Messiah

comes but there were other options

Argentina South Africa Uganda Madagascar

and eventually they said all right let's

do Palestine so they went to Palestine

1914 there was 700,000 people living in

Palestine 3% were Jewish 1917 Bel for

declaration Arthur Bel for he called the

Jewish people in England that they are

alien and hostile race and the thing is

the only Jewish member of the parliament

of the English Parliament Lord monu he

objects like these are British citizens

they we should not kick them out so they

pushed them they pushed them but it was

not going fast enough came the Nazis and

then it was not about the solution

anymore it was the end losing the Final

Solution by Hitler because he needed an

answer for the Jewish question the

you and then the as you see the

Holocaust happened the most orchestrated

industrialized horrible genocide in our

modern time 6 million Jews died so it

accelerated and they went first of all

they left Eastern Europe and they went

to West Europe and went to America and

they were turned down and were pushed

towards Palestine so by 1948 right

before the Declaration of the state of

Israel there were 2 million people

living there only 30% of them was Jews

so the whole idea of like a land without

a people to a people without a land was

a marketing thing they were already

Palestinians so suddenly from our

perspective the Jewish problem is not a

Jewish problem is not a middle eastern

problem is not an Arab problem it is a

European problem it was pushed on us

together with the guilt because now we

are the anti-semite we now we are the

Jewish ha

and not just that they took land so

people look at this like why are we even

we we had a lot of refugees coming in

and during that there was a lot of as

you know zist militia the Aragon the

hagana all of these people were killing

palestin the the famous Massacre of Dar

scene you're talking about the

atrocities of October 7 is horrible but

in the Arab mind there is there scene

where there is an incredible movie

called tour t a t t a n t o r a where

they the the Israeli members of those uh

militias they talk about the atrocities

that they did including opening up the

pregnant woman bellies and having bets

if the boy inside is a boy or a girl it

is one of the most horrific and they

talk about it some talk about with

regret and some talk about with pleasure

we did that right so you have

even King David I think your prime

minister Mr sunak was there and I as I

if I was British I would question this

because as you know King David was

bombed by the Aragon militias 91 British

solders died I don't know as a if I was

British how come my prime minister would

have the nerve to stay in that hotel I

mean you know the ghost of the 91

British soldiers that must be haunting

for them you see so when you see all of

that and you see that suddenly overnight

1948 there were one 1.5 million

Palestinians seven half of them three4

of them were overnight pushed into

refugees and this why it's called the

NBA the catastrophe so now we have all

of this building up into the minds and

that and S suddenly this was like a

conflict a hate a problem that we didn't

have to do anything with this was

basically pushed on us by the Europeans

you see see this is why it is important

to say that and I'm not saying that just

like oh let's Wipe Out the state of

Israel let's like push them in the sea

no but it's important when you talk

about about the conflict that you talk

about the root causes right no there

were there was like a vibrant

Palestinian culture happening over there

and right now they are erasing this

culture suddenly I'm seeing of like

Israeli fetes Israeli homus oh that's an

insult Israeli homus come on I mean take

the land but leave the homeless man I

mean come on I mean that's that's not

fair you are someone who's always spoken

against cultur cancelled culture right

now a whole culture is canceled let let

me ask you this Jonathan fredland is a

top Jewish journalist for the Guardian

newspaper he wrote a very interesting

column last week in which he

said at the root of all this you could

argue you have two sets of people with

just

calls and they believe passionately in

their Just

Cause And he was sort of advising people

not to take sides unless you really

understand the history do you would you

agree with that would you agree that

both sides have legitimate just cause

not with the methodology that's taken

place and you've given an extremely

detailed analysis of the buildup to what

happened in 48 to me it's pretty clear

700 800,000 Palestinians were displaced

from their and it should never have

happened and that has been absolutely I

think the root cause for so much

resentment but can you at the heart of

this debate agree with Jonathan that you

could argue there's just cause on both

sides there's a there is a cause on both

sides but I I I'm I'm working on a tight

robe here because I'm not a Palestinian

yeah uh but from the Palestinian point

of view there's a lot of people I mean

there are 2.2 million people living in

Gaza there are 3.5 million people living

in the West Bank there is 350,000 people

lifting in eism and there's like six or

seven million people living outside

those people the Palestinian that were

pushed out they do not have the right to

go back right now if you meet

Palestinians you'll see them wearing a

necklace with a key that key is their

house that do kicked out from in in yafa

and he you know like my my my wife's

family comes from ramla which is 50 mi

from Gaza and and and according to the

law those people have absolutely no

right to go back even you if you are a

Palestinian with an American passport

they give you hell in order to go in and

yet a Jewish person born anywhere in the

world born in Poland born in near

Ukraine no question ask he can jump on a

plane land in Israel and get the the the

the Israeli Citizen and take a house

that most probably belonged to a

Palestinian so it is not just like a it

is an ongoing Injustice that has been

happening now I mean where would you

criticize if you're being

fair-minded where would you criticize

from 48 onwards the behavior of the Arab

side well put yourself in the Arab side

at 1948 you constituted 70% of the

population Sou the UN is giving you 48%

of the

land right not just that I mean the Arab

regimes because they did terribly and

see this is the thing Arab nationalism

at the height of these people feed on

each other you know because it's very

very important to have a problem oh it's

Israel and then and for isra oh it's the

Palestinian it's a very good distraction

I mean sometimes I feel that like the

Palestinian cause is very useful for

both sides to stay there as attention

because it's all a way to reflect but uh

and this is a very important question

because the in the mind of the western

audience they always thought of the

Palestinian resistance or the

Palestinian side as like Islamic as

militant no as a matter of fact some of

the early suicide bombers were female

Christian Palestinians because they like

the r you know they were fighting for a

land the whole idea of islamization of

the whole cause came very later as a m

fact you will find this very interesting

because when I saw this I did not

believe it this you know the fat

movement which is the PLO the fat this

was their uh

slogan can you see you see there's a

crescent a cross and a minora and they

say unitary Democratic non sectarian so

basically in the 1960 fat were basically

marijuana smoking Tre Huger hippies and

yet that didn't work right and the thing

is is I always hear that like Arabs were

giving two four so many chances for

peace that is not true as a matter of

fact all along history Israel didn't

give an inch of land by peace 1974 73

War they gave back Sinai because Egypt

like initiated the war 2006 they went

out of uh south of Lebanon because of

the resistance they have even the

disengagement of of Gaza they didn't do

it out of the goodness of their heart

because they had too much casualties and

even even even the oso Accords the peace

treaty the one that Isaac Rabin and got

the Nobel Prize they did it because of

the in so what is the message that

Israel is giving to the Arabs I will

never give you anything with peaceful

resolution you will always have to fight

for it do you not think that for example

I mean Bill Clinton feels this very

strongly that there was a great deal to

be done and Arafat just in the end

having indicated the whole time that if

we got to this place there would be a

deal just walked away so that was the

closest that everybody came and but

actually I mean could Clinton have done

any more than he tried to do then I am

not again that's why it's very important

to have people who are much more

qualified than me to talk about this but

two things I can say about that number

one

uh the the whole thing about the Osa

Accord there was a video for Netanyahu

who was talking to the S offer 01 and he

was bragging about sabotaging the he was

talking to like I sabotage it like there

was going to be no peace yeah you seen

that right and in that video if you

remember when when he was saying like

you have to hit them hard 2001 no Hamas

at the time we have they were talking

about the Palestinian Authority we have

to hit them we have to kill them we have

to make them feel the pain and then one

of the says like like BB but wouldn't

America kind of J like so what the

American public is easily manipulated

80% are with us it is

and as a new American where I can have

the um privilege of being

retrospectively angry as I like this guy

is mocking the government who is and the

people who have been with him all the

time it's like oh they can be easily

manipulated they can do and even by the

way even Isaac Robin Isaac Robin the the

one who actually did the Peace AR he was

known famously said the way to actually

beat those children is to break their

bones with the broken bones policy they

were like get those kids and break their

bombs on the FV so this has the whole

idea about like Israel wanted peace and

Arabs only wanted to fight is a very

very bad think as as it's gone on the

will the genuine will on both sides for

peace has not existed no I think it's

been a deceit to the world I'm and and

to the relative groups of people on both

sides the official and actually a

betrayal of the official stand of the

Palestinian Authority and again I cannot

speak it is very difficult to do this

the official send of the pales authority

is that we are just happy with 22% of

the land just give us like the yes there

are people that this but the thing is

you cannot just say okay let's talk

about peace and then you take away my

land let's talk about peace and there's

there's a kind of like passive

aggressiveness happening oh let's talk

about but I'm going to build settlements

I'm going to suffocate your cities and

your Villages see I think that has been

incredibly inflammatory yes worsening

the situation I think putting back the

chance of peace I mean Netanyahu

interviewed Netanyahu earlier this year

in the middle of the big social protests

in his own country and I couldn't

understand what he thought he was doing

except that it seemed to me political

expediency that he had to to get power

uh you know again he had put a bunch of

right-wing Headbangers into his cabinet

who have incredibly bad records speak in

an incredibly incend way about uh

Palestinians for example and that he did

this for power and then he launched a

because they were pushing him to do it a

ridiculous assault on the Integrity of

the Supreme Court indep Supreme Court

and and many Israelis rose up so

Netanyahu is has become to me a big

problem right and and the people that

all the polling shows that Israeli

people are very unhappy with Netanyahu I

don't think he's ever going to actually

want to forge peace and in fact I think

he was instrumental with Hamas in

wanting to keep them in power because he

felt that that would create the split

with the Palestinian with two political

groups and that would be good for Israel

and it was leaked in a leak Hood uh

conference in 2019 that he was bragging

about giving Hamas money because this is

a way that we can keep Palestinian

divided and yet so we we and we'll never

have on so this is a guy who was look we

can agree about Netanyahu I think no but

not just Netanyahu there there's a and

would say most of his cabinet there's a

book called the fear of Peace it's

called by mushe

Zimmerman and he's an Israeli historian

and he said like the average Israeli

citizen does not have a vision of Peace

because for 70 years this is a country

that has been the military war has been

going on for they have been expanding

because of war the milit is taking over

so the whole idea of peace is not even

there it's not just Netanyahu like like

you have I remember you have interviewed

Neftali Benet yes and I think you

tweeted that like that was like a very

um kind of reasonable take yeah is it

reasonable yeah yeah but like I this ne

ne in that he went after Queen R and he

call a shame on Queen R I didn't say

reasonable I just said this I did a a

fire Emoji yeah I just said that what he

was saying yeah I mean I was going to

ask you about Queen Ryan and let's ask

about since you've raised it because

Queen Ria accused the west of a glaring

double standard she said this is the

first time in modern history there's

such human suffering and the world is

not even calling for ceasefire so the

silence is deafening and to many in our

region it makes the Western World

complicit uh now other people said well

okay if you feel that

strongly why aren't you taking in any

Palestinians why is Egypt not taking

Palestinians why does the Arab world

want to constantly attack Israel without

actually offering any place to go for

the Palestinians and what do you say

that that is exactly what Israel wants

and that is exactly what might actually

start third War I this is the war

solution these are Palestinian these are

their lands and then sudden take them

why so they being basically kicked

around from their homes and now another

country should take them you see what

will happen imagine this now and because

Israel official has been talking openly

about this it's like why don't they just

go in sin why they go you know what

would happen those people going to be

pushed in Sinai and with any population

2 million people that are living in

refugee camp what do you think will

happen

unrest chaos and then after a few years

the Western media will come with their

cameras like oh look at those Arabs oh

they're killing each other oh Israel is

good that they got rid of them and then

they will go to the West Bank and so

those 3.5 million people pushing into

Jordan This the whole idea why does

Jordan take them why does Egypt take

them the same question you Europe has 44

countries why don't they take

Israel America has 50 states why why

don't they give them Florida I mean they

we seem to complain about Florida the

whole time why don't they just like give

Israel the whole idea was like oh you're

Arabs you're all the same no no no

because what will happen that so Israel

will move into Jordan it's like oh Saudi

why don't you take the

Jordanian this is not a solution this is

not a solution I I hear you I'm not

taking a position out the way let me ask

you direct I want to say something about

what queen rer said okay the whole idea

about like the West yeah I think that in

three weeks Israel morally corrupted the

West like no other I think the West will

have a lot of time to recover because

for years the West has been telling us

oh look we are liberal we're all about

human rights all are equal adopt our

values and then suddenly but you you

don't want to even to seee you don't

want to even tell Israel to stop and

suddenly we woke up and we found

McDonald's are giving free meals to the

Israeli because like nothing will make

you feel better after killing a bunch of

Palestinian kids than a Happy Meal so

let me ask you they have a toy so this

brings me to Hamas okay so what Israel

will say because they say it to me every

time they come on the program whoever

from meu Barack to Natalia Bennett

whoever it may be they say look we

suffered such a catastrophic terror

attack on October the 7th that we have

decided we are going to get rid of Hamas

there are 40,000 or so Hamas terrorists

in their eyes who need to be got rid of

and I do believe they're terrorists only

terrorist can commit the kind of Act of

terrorism we saw so can we on that point

can we agree on that do you believe

Hamas is a terror group it is what it is

classified by America I I'm not a big

fan of Hamas and they are militant group

they does like stuff like are they

terrorist do you think yeah cool okay

okay so we agree on this so you have

40,000 of them living in Gaza amongst

the civilian population if Israel has

decided to eliminate a terror group

Hamas as the world did with Isis for

example and I think there are a lot of

parallels given the way they behave on

October the 7th to Isis how do you do it

how do you do it if you don't do it the

way Israel is currently trying to do it

exactly not the way that Israel does it

because if you have the one of the most

advanced

military powers in the world and it

takes you 3 weeks 9,000 Palestinian

civilian death 21,000 injured as we

talking right now Israel just bombed

Galia which is a known refugee camp this

it is a very this is a this is not

self-defense you know like one of the

most questions like does Israel have the

right to defend itself this is a no

value question this is a no value

question well I would ask a different

point I would say not only do they have

a right to defend themselves which every

country would after a terror attack

right but they actually have a duty and

responsibility to their

population to try and stop that

happening again to them they've been

doing and I do I do understand and I

agree with that yeah but but here's the

thing if it takes you all of that time

all of these civilians to take out a few

hundred gorilla Fighters we don't know

how many of the people di we don't know

it does matter but B you don't know and

I don't know we don't know but like we

don't even know if the casualty numbers

are correct because they're all coming

from Hass and wealth and we should

believe Israel no no not necessarily no

no I I don't believe either side but but

but here's my problem with this here's

my point I don't think we should assume

that we know these statistics are

correct I don't think we should assume

we know exactly how many children have

been killed we do know a lot have been

killed so the moral argument Remains the

Same but we don't know how many Hamas

terrorists have been killed in the last

three weeks we just don't know do we so

basically we're we're dealing with a

very incompetent military force that has

been sucking America dry for years and

then they cannot do the job but how else

do they get rid of herass not like that

how do they do it I don't know but not

like that because they've been trying

they have first of all I'm not a

military expert second of all second of

all they've been trying the same thing

for years they go in

they this is not an eye for an eye

anymore this is an eye a limp a life a

house a neighborhood a whole population

for an eye they don't say I mean your

your friend Ben shapira that you

particularly despise oh I love Ben

shapir he's very smart yeah but you

you've been very critical of him and

that's fair enough and I'm sure he would

be of you but when I asked him about

proportion he said there is I don't care

about a proportionate response so let's

K civilians as Hamas did this so we are

going to get rid of Hamas it's it's in

his eyes it wasn't I for an i Toth for a

tooth it was this group of terrorists

did this and we are now going to rid the

world of these terrorists and this is

very important to look at things in

context when you see how Israelis Talk

inside their Community there was a very

famous post by or ual he is the uh

Speech writer of Nan he said what is so

horrific about understanding that the

whole Palestinians people are our

enemies all of them are enemy compa we

should call them kill their mother

destroy their homes the homes that they

raise those snakes so no snakes would be

raised in this house anymore and this

was reposted by Al Chet which is the

Minister of wait for it

justice those this it's not about Hamas

anymore it is not about H they can tell

you it's about Hamas but it's not about

it is basically it has they have said it

many times Pierce this is a way to kind

of push them in into Sinai this is not

about eradicating Hamas this ship has

sailed I am sorry but like I anybody who

still believe that this is about Hamas

is stupid because they I don't agree

with that really no because I think but

why so why are why there I tell you I

don't agree there like 100 people any

country any country that suffered the

kind of terror attack that Israel

suffered with the kind of death toll

that occurred that day 1500 plus people

grandmothers kids young women being

raped kidnapped beheaded it's been

reported and so on well you can raise an

eyebrow I mean they found they found a

young woman's skull

Som been about the babies that were

beheaded well there was a report and you

and I have this discussion on there you

falsely quoted me and I wanted to

clarify that with you in person you

thought I'd said that 40 babies have

been beheaded you say I never said that

did you say I said it's been reported

that 40 babies were killed some of whom

had been beheaded that's what I said

yeah totally totally different is a very

different well it is different yes you

accept it um English is a second

language so things they different things

of course yes between saying 40 babies

have been beheaded and 40 babies have

been reported to been killed including

are those beheaded Beed well apparently

journalists have being shown utterly

horrific okay this is this comes to a

very important question about

credibility again I'm not condoning what

happen OCT but in I'm not a journalist

but as a journalist wouldn't you take

anything that an authority would say

with a grain of thought yes especially

if this Authority have a

long history of lying and I'm just going

to give a few example 1996 they bombed

Kan it's a refugee camp they killed 106

people and despite that they knew it's a

refuge Camp they said oh maybe it's a

one time off 2006 they W con again 2014

they killed two teenagers at checkpoint

they denied as usual but CNN was there

so they said we have to say it 2018 they

killed a medic a Palestinian medic and

they doctored they fabricated a video

showing that it's someone else that he

was a human shield and then can I just

like finish I want respond and and then

2010 they killed Ahmed orat denied it

then said it's okay it's us 20121 they

bomb the media office in it's not us but

no I'm sorry and then 11th May 2022

Shireen reporter your colleague she's

Palestinian American citizen she was

shot in the head and they provide Ed

forensic evidence and even a doctor

video that it was not them it was

Islamic Jihad how can I expect to

believe this regime especially if the

president of Israel comes down with this

ridiculous ridiculous thing have you

seen in there there he said okay this

was reported by Sky News and it was the

funniest thing I've SE so my this was a

call and po moment but like the cheap

Edition Mr uh herok said like Isaac hok

it's like we have

found evidence on one of the uh um

terrorist a manual to create chemical

bombs and then he showed this and he

showed and this is I just want to say

why would a foot shoulder go in into

enemy with like a manual to chemical

bombing it's like is that Bob bring your

own beer bomb it's crazy and and what

what you like have like local

ingredients to make and then this is

like this is a ual of of course conven

and let me read it to you in Arabic

because this is

funny which basically

say this is basically like a catalog for

self-improvement for

M I didn't know that they have life

coaches so this and you know what SK new

said like we cannot confirm or any of

this but we will show it

anyways this is like this government so

let me respond I do think the Israeli

government has lied all the time right I

do think they've lied I'm not going to

dispute that I do think they've been

caught lying I do think they said things

that turned out not to be true I also

think that two weeks ago a hospital was

bombed yes and it was immedi well I'm

going to tell you what I think Hamas

immediately tell the world it was an

Israeli air strike and that 500 people

were killed and that the hospital had

been destroyed and then as the next

couple of days go by the hospital is

relatively undamaged car park was

obliterated many fewer people than 500

were killed how many people died we

don't know because actually we're

relying on the Palestinian health

authority which is Hamas in Gaza for the

figures so we don't know the number but

a lot fewer people died it would appear

than the 500 we don't know 50 either way

it's appalling but it may not have been

anywhere near as appalling as was first

said by Hamas but here's the point most

independent studies of what happened

have concluded that it was almost

certainly a militant struck terror group

inside Gaza and they fired a rocket

which landed in the hospital car park in

other words it wasn't an Israeli air

strike so I have an issue with that

because for three days before the attack

the priest and the Patrick of the

hospital because it called the the

Baptist Hospital said that they have

received warning multip warning from

Israel that they're going to hit the

hospital and then at the time of the hit

of the hospital one of the top AIDS of

Netanyahu he tweeted about like we hit

the hospital and then he deleted and

then basically like Israel Gaz lighted

the

world why I said most independ no that's

not true New York Times actually like

just published something to prove that

it was shot from Israel and I think it's

no they didn't okay numbers they numbers

B that's not true okay the New York

Times has not reported that it was

Israel no they said the they haven't

okay that's not true over 10 years

Hamas launched 35,000 Rockets into

Israel how many failed they killed 69

people and uh 25% military only part of

them were civilians so over 10 years of

35,000 Rockets they killed 69 people but

in one strike you want to tell me that

these glorified

firecrackers caused that kind of damage

uh yes it looks like they did yeah okay

yeah and actually it wasn't the damage

that was reported by Hamas who wanted

people to believe it was Israeli air

strike so my point would be I'm happy to

concede that Israel government has lied

about stuff over the years but I'm

absolutely certain as well that Hamas

lie all the time why are holding

including I believe from all I've read I

believe they lied about the hospital why

are we holding the militant terrorist

group to the same standards as the best

and

because they to be they happened to be

the ruling party in Gaza so they're not

just a terror group they are a political

group as well political party okay well

they are so the question again comes

this and so far you've ducked it so I

want to ask you one more

time we can both agree that the scenes

in Gaza right now are horrific because I

do feel that but I don't know how else

Israel can eradicate Hamas than the way

that they're currently trying to do do

it do you have an alternative for them

well again we are locked in the same

thing what can we do now but we don't

look at what was happening over that you

the best recruiter for Hamas is

Israel I mean you have talked a lot

about the horrible condition in Gaza I

mean let's imagine like a little boy

called Ramy he lives in Gaza you know he

have a horrible life but like you know

it's like it's not that bad I know he

has a cousin in the West Bank he's

living a good life he wake up in the

morning and he found out that he was

kidnapped by three settlers he was

burned alive by kerosene and he was

forced to drink the kerosene his name

was Muhammad Abu that settlers did that

to him in 2016 said all right you know

what I'm just going to leave is I'm

going to find a way to go to Europe his

aunt is an a published author and she

won a prize in the Frankfurt book fair

his name is AD and now she was cancelled

because of what's happening just because

of her Palestinian his other aunt in

America his

namei she is a speech therapist and I

this is close to my heart because of my

son and she was uh fired because she did

not want to sign the for government cont

said that you cannot join BDS which I

don't understand why do people choosing

to protest peacefully by not buying

goods from a certain country why would

the United States make that its own

issue so and this guy this this Ramy is

being approached by like join ham join

us let's go kill is no no no no I don't

want to kill I just I'm going to live in

it's a life but 97% of water is not good

for human consumtion half of the

population are anemic even the is not

being treated and it goes into the

shores of Israel it's like oh that was

it's horrible so and then he and he

wakes up in the morning he doesn't think

about killing Jews the first thing in

the morning he thinks about being there

at 5:00 at the first 50 people in the

line for bread because if he doesn't he

will miss the food for his family and he

goes back and he finds a message saying

that we are going to bomb your house he

comes back he loses his old family now

tell me what is the proportionate

response for that I don't know I don't

know you cannot create terrorism and

then you I don't know you have they have

created this would I don't I don't know

is the answer but bam let me ask you

this Hamas will have known when they

perpetrated what they did in October the

7th what the scale of response was

likely to be how does that help the

Palestinian people they are supposed to

serve I don't know the the the wheels

are already set in motion but it doesn't

does it I do not you know is thing I

feel sometimes that Hamas is with us in

the room that we are bringing Hamas who

has the power in this equation who has

the fourth largest and strongest

military power the whole idea about

Israel it's like oh my God we are they

the Arabs are going to destroy us look

at the map Hamas hang on let me hang on

hamas's stated goal is the eradication

of Israel and the Jewish people yes they

make no pretense about it they've made

no attempt unlike the Nazis who try to

cover up their crimes they made no

attempt to try and deny what they they

brazenly boasted about it they are proud

of what they did right and they will

have known again that the scale of what

they did in October the 7th would have

prompted this kind of response which

would have led to thousands of innocent

Palestinians getting killed and my

question for you I wish the 7th of

October never happened every time every

you say Hamas is everywhere well yeah

actually all roads all roads on this

particular part of the crisis and I

accept it's been going on for 75 years

of conflict but all roads in this crisis

lead to Hamas and what they did and and

not necessarily because because all

roads goes to the condition that created

Hamas if the if the Jewish people were

expelled from Europe and went to

Argentina or South Africa and Uganda and

went in and took the land you would have

Hamas in all you and I can agree that

the conditions Palestinian people have

had to endure in Gaza for a very long

time completely unacceptable I think

it's completely unacceptable that Israel

has wielded such control over the people

of Gaza working out who can come in and

who can go out turning on and off Water

and Power on a whim turning off the

internet on and off at a whim all that

kind of stuff I can completely agree

with but given that I think we agree

Hamas are a terror group let's say let

me finish my question given that we

agree that Hamas is a teror organization

who have a publicly stated position of

annihilating not just Israel but Jewish

people and as we saw on October the 7th

they mean it if you are Israel what do

you do to get rid of those people who

have shown the world that's exactly what

they will actually do if they get the

chance you know what I to

do I would give the Palestinians what

they

deserve terrorism is a virus yes it's a

virus I agree if a patient with a flu

came to you and you're a doctor how can

you treat that

patient how do you treat as a doctor how

do you do well you're the doctor you

give them nutrition yeah fluids yeah and

rest so the immunity of the body gets

rid of the virus on its

own if I received that patient with a

flu and I took a sledgehammer I was like

why are you not getting better do you

think that patient will get better no

you are weakening him you are making him

worse

Israel did not just like weaken the body

of Palestinians making them unable to

get rid of hate and radicalism they have

openly bolstered about helping and

giving money to the same terrorist

organization so I agree I think

Netanyahu is complicit in keeping Hamas

in power because it suited him

politically yes and I think you can't

get away from that yes uh there's no

question of that but there's also no

question that the Israeli government LED

currently by him has to stop Hamas from

perpetrating another terror attack and

again it comes down to this question

what do they do to get rid of Hamas if

it's not what they're doing I don't know

but like as an Israeli citizen listening

to this how come that my prime minister

bragging about giving money to the

terrorist group that he is using right

now to eradicate a whole group of people

and yet using them as an excuse isn't

that weird this is like this is like

Tony Blair being like found like giving

money to alqaeda or Isis and then going

to fight them how does this work how

does this work I agree how does this

work I agree with so yeah it's a

terrorist attack and Israel is funding

them I mean this is the this is in the

words of Benjamin he is this is the

thing about Benjamin he brags about that

stuff so this is a circular

question hamus is to

blame who created Hamas who's helping

them and who is allowing for an

environment for that kind of hate and

and and and destruction of Jewish people

to to to Aspire and I think is there's

something very important to the Western

audience here they think that Israel is

a small tiny country between a hostile

Arab countries the biggest military

power in the in the Arab world is Egypt

they have a peace treaty their neighbors

Jordan they have a peace treaty Saudi

Arabia Emirates either like have like

full rship or like on the way of

normalization the only people that even

Syria Syria is not like even like did

launch like a single bullet the only two

crutches that that that is is likeah and

Hamas a few militant thousands of milit

s is that really formed an existential

like threat especially if I know that

over 13 years only 69 Israelis were

killed I would say I would say is that

an is that that would that really wipe

out Israel is that is Israel that weak I

think if you have two groups of people

who are ideologically wedded to your D

destruction as a state and as a populace

and you're constantly firing Rockets as

Hass have done for over a decade now

then that cannot be acceptable you have

to stop that right these are terrorists

who've now shown on October the 7th

their true colors they don't just talk

about wanting to kill all Jewish people

they are going to do it if they get the

chance so I don't believe Hamas can

possibly stay in any position of

authority in Gaza I think that would be

ruinous for not just the people of Gaza

but also for Israelis so if you're going

to get rid of them which many people

think on both sides is inevitable and

should happen as a consequence of what

they did the big question is how do you

do that and I don't know any other way

other than the way Israel is currently

doing hence my personal moral quandry

about this so if a terorist takes over

the Empire State instead of taking him

out we bomb the whole empire state well

that's the question isn't it proportion

that is not even a question that was not

even a question because that would be

ridiculous talk about you talk about the

normalization of the region I mean the

theory that I most buy into supported by

recent I think Wall Street Journal

reporting the hundreds of Hamas

terrorists had gone to Iran for training

before this attack it obviously been

very carefully organized and so that is

I think highly likely but if you're Iran

and you're looking at all this

normalization and you're looking at

Saudi Arabia being next this is your

worst nightmare so a perfect time to

commit an atrocity like this through

your proxy of Hamas again I'm not a

political expert to know what is the

background but let me tell you a likely

theory is Hamas justifi is all of the

horrible conditions that Palestinians

are living in is that a justification

for Hamas doing what they did in October

good do you think so of course not right

so we're agreed no of course so let me

ask you the question a different way

there is no justification what Israel is

doing now no Hamas no terrorist attack

justifies this because you have been

there

you have been there you have stood

against the Iraq war that is too much

you are killing a whole population

here's the difference I didn't stand

against them for that reason I stood

against the Iraq War because I did not

believe we had seen evidence that Saddam

Hussein had weapons of mass destruction

so we were fighting a war against a

country and a despotic leader which had

nothing to do with 9111 as they were

trying to claim it was actually a lie

perpetrated on the world and the

consequences were disaster a million

people died I mean over 150 British

troops died my brother served in Iraq

and could have been one of them you know

the whole thing was a fiasco a deadly

Fiasco led to the rise of Isis and all

the hell that came with that so you know

I yes absolutely I fought that campaign

against that war and I wish I'd been

successful but the singular difference

here is no one is disputing least of all

the Hamas themselves that they

perpetrated this attack and I believe

Israel has a fundamental right right and

a duty to defend its people from them

doing it again so if we can agree on

that as a principle of a country that's

had that kind of attack and how you deal

with it the question then becomes how do

you eradicate the people who did it and

I just think given the intense nature of

the way the population exist in Gaza

very very large numbers of people in

confined places and that is in itself

unacceptable and I will agree with you

about all of that and that has to be

fixed longer term but actually if Hamas

are everywhere there amongst these

people I just don't see any alternative

to what they're doing and I'm very happy

to consider one but I don't think you

have one either so so if if the Iraqis

were actually there was evidence that

they were behind 911 would that still be

okay to we have a parallel which is

Afghanistan and in fact I would say but

that raises a different question so was

the Afghanistan war just I believe it

was in a way that Iraq wasn't I believe

that Afghanistan was harboring

terrorists Al-Qaeda we know that they

were training there we know the Taliban

were were there and we went in we

launched this war it goes on and on and

on huge Bloodshed on both sides and in

the end after a ridiculous overnight

pull out by America and President Biden

the Taliban are back in charge and W

waging the same kind of medieval rule

they waged before all this so you got

two things was it Justified to strike

back at Afghanistan for harboring

Al-Qaeda I would say yes was the did the

means in the end justify the war You

could argue no actually because actually

you ended up with the Taliban back in

charge so they're two different things

and it may well be here by the way as

I've said that if Israel pursues this

ground Invasion it backfires horribly it

leads to a much wider conflict involving

many other people possibly including

Iran directly and it could be a

horrendous escalation and a massive war

raging through the whole Reg region and

that is my fear about it but I come back

to the central point of

justification and I'm really struggling

to see what else Israel is supposed to

do to get rid of Hamas and if you've got

an

alternative let hear it I do Pierce this

is never about Hames believe me it is

never about Hames if somebody tells you

who they are

listen Israel has been telling the word

all the time they need to clear the Gaza

STP into Egypt you think that's always

been the plan always there I mean they

have said it they have said it many

times why does why does Egypt take them

and do you think when Egypt takes them

do you think they go back no never and

then when they're done with Gaza they

will go back to the West Bank they will

kind of like build the settlements

around them and then until they push

them into Jordan because that is the

plan they have talken not just beenin

now everybody so like there's no state

two states it is one state and is for

the Jews I don't think he believes in

the two states solution nobody believes

in a two- State solution it is one state

but nor do Hamas obviously and they're

the ruling Authority in Gaza they they

don't you see what you're comparing it's

a militant group it's a small militant

group but they is Israel as a nation

they are the elected political

leadership they were elected in 2006 and

50% of the people in Gaza right now are

under the age of 16 they were not even

born I understand yeah like all right so

so B let's all right let's agree about

that but that's the circle it's circular

h h h h I know but okay let's let's move

forward oh yeah let let's assume somehow

we get to a place possibly at the

instigation of countries like Saudi

Arabia and others getting directly

involved where you get to a place where

Hamas are removed and I don't quite see

how that happens without enormous

further Bloodshed but let's assume they

get removed let's assume that Netanyahu

is removed from office which I think is

highly likely just from the fury of his

own people about what they see as the

defensive and security failings plus his

attack on the Supreme Court already

causing huge polarization let's assume

we get new leadership in both

places could there still be peace could

there still be a two-state solution it

can never happen no because Israel have

already shown its it's not about

Netanyahu it is the policy of Israel not

to give the Palestinian their seat it

has always been there but what if you

find leadership understand you will not

but why why are you so you will not why

do you think so because Israel has been

tell you know but then would say the

same about the other side and I remember

who has the power let me okay let me

give you a parallel in his book let me

give you a parallel let me give you a

parallel Northern iseland okay Northern

Ireland appeared to be completely

intractable with the IRA and the

loyalist paramilitaries trying to kill

each other in the Ira's case trying to

kill uh British people as well U because

they they did not want this to go the

way that people wanted it to go go and

ultimately we got to peace because we

found leaders who actually had the

courage the moral courage to get in the

room with the people that were trying to

kill them and to do a deal I don't think

you can do that with Hamas think they're

on a different schedle to go to the IRA

but we did have a seemingly intractable

Place riddled with violence okay on both

sides and eventually we got peace do you

not see there's any chance of doing that

here no not with Israel or

after he left office he wrote in his

book The problem with the Palestinian

Israeli conflict is that that one side

is extremely powerful and one side is

extremely weak there is absolutely

nothing to oblige that strong side to

give anything all over the years Israel

showed you many times that they are not

interested in peace leave Gaza forget

Hamas for a second the West Bank what

have they been doing in the West Bank

the illegal settlements did not stop a

single day they are completely yeah yeah

yeah but but but the thing but you see

what they're doing in the West Bank

right now they are creating little Gaza

they are creating little Gaza yeah and

until they like squeeze them there was

there it's completely wrong there is a

hilarious documentary called The Wanted

18 it is like an Israeli Palestinian

co-production and it tells about the

incredible story about the residence of

bahur it's a Palestinian town next to

the na and uh they said they don't want

to depend on the milk coming from the

kaputs so they bought 18 cows 18 cows

and they didn't know how to milk the

cows or have a a cow farm so so they

were like engineers and and and doctors

they sent people to kind of like to

learn how to do the farm so they bought

the cows and they started to produce

milk and they started to sell the milk

to The Villages the Israeli authorities

were not very comfortable so one day the

military government came in us like

those cows and I quote constitutes an

exis threat to the National Security of

the state of Israel you need to get rid

of them and the movie goes about like

the hilarious attempts of hiding those

cows between The Butchers and the houses

and in one scene that a cow is actually

running and the the Israeli soldiers are

like running behind it and they corner

it and they corner it and they're about

to kill it you know what did the cow

say he didn't fall for this cows don't

speak yeah but you know it actually said

something you know what did it say it

said but

anyways but you see this is the

ideology of the

Israeli ruling part they are not

interested they're not even allowing you

to get your own cows I mean this I want

to discuss something that is very

important because we have been talking

about Israel being a democratic State a

secular state for all of his citizens

including its Arab residents right wrong

wrong wrong wrong 2018 there was a

resolution that was offered in the KET

that say that Israel should be be a

state for all of its CI that seems basic

right that resolution was not even

allowed to be

discussed like why and the and the

rebuttal was Israel being the state of

all of its citizen would threaten the

character of the Jewish

State there is I have a friend of mine

his name is Andrew he's Palestinian

Christian they do exist and uh his

family comes from a town called

t as many Palestinian Town these were

like you know being had another Israel

town called Ka kafar Rin it is a left

cleaning town they voted against n by

70% and they announced an auction to

sell houses and then they noticed that

most of the the the applicants were

Palestinians they canel the auction why

because in each Jewish town there is

something called admission committee

that can decide who can live in this

town sounds like Jim Crow for me and

then they cancel and you know you know

what they say in the reason they say

kafar Rim welcomes all citizens of

Israel despite the race gender or

color however the major uh the majority

of the town would like to preserve the

character of the town as being Jewish

Zionist and secular how does this go

together secular and jewi aside you know

and this brings me to this picture this

is a very famous picture you know

remember this picture I'm sure you've

seen it yeah this for the people who

don't know this from uh St Augustine

Florida 18th of June

1964 this was a white only motel and

these are these are black activists who

wanted to defy the law and jump into the

H this guy he's the only Hotel his name

is James Brook and he was pouring acid

to scare them out of the

hotel his neighbor said that James Brook

was a victim because he was just

following the law and you know what

James Brook said he said it's not like I

don't like black people I just don't

like them in my swimming pools now if an

official said that wouldn't you say that

this town has kind of a systemic racism

yes this was this quote was not said by

James Brook it was said by donon the

head of the Galilean municipality when

he said I don't like Arabs I don't just

like them in my swimming pools the town

of nazarit elite 2010 the Arab

Christians in the town they requested to

set up the Christmas tree next to

another this is the birth right birth

place of Jesus and you know what they

says we cannot have it because because

non religious n Jewish symbolist would

offend Jewish res but this comes back to

what you were saying at the start which

is about the hate on both sides no no no

I'm not talking about the I'm talking

about this shining example that Israel W

tell the bo that we are like the western

or we are secular I don't know if you

know this but they're not just like

secular like RAC against their own Arab

I'm talking about like Arabs with

Palestinian with Israeli identity I'm

talking about them being even racist

against their own people 1950 Yemen's

immigrants that came from Yemen and they

were in the transition Camp waiting to

be transformed into Israel their kids

were taken away from them and given to

White Ashkenazi Jews because they were

not white enough but Bon what would

happen if a Jewish person went to Gaza

how can why would they go to Gaza and

exactly even I wouldn't go to Gaza

exactly that's my point yeah it's a

dystopia who but like but I'm just it's

not just raising points about Israel

making out that somehow there is bad or

worse but what's going on H has red over

the Palestinians in the most impressive

way imagable absolutely but you know

what Hamas never claimed that they are

the only democracy in the in the in the

region they never claimed that they are

secular they never said that they adopt

Western CH and they definitely

definitely they did not use that lie in

order to carp a whole country now here I

I want to say one example and I'm going

to leave all right Israel you think that

Israel will like by the way the whole

thing about the Y children you can find

it in New York Times it's called like

the the Lost Children of Israel the

Forgotten uh but even when Ethiopian

people were immigrated to Israel

Ethiopian

Jews women then Report 2013 that's not

like 50 years ago they reported that

they were given against their consent

and without their knowledge

contraceptive shots so they wouldn't

reproduce because they are the wrong

color Israel is is a

racist apartheid country that is

projecting this shiny example of

secularism and democracy for the people

so people can accept whatever they do

because they look at Palestinians as

lesser people this is the whole point

this is the whole point and I would like

to quote Wiston Churchill mhm he had a

quote that say I don't believe that we

have made a great wrong to the red IND

Indians of America or the black people

of Australia because they were replaced

by a higher race a stronger race a more

World wisely race this is this is why

Queen R is criticizing the W this is why

we here said like where are your values

because this is the Crux of the problem

it's not Hamas it's not Palestine it is

people looking at us as lesser human

beings I and I don't dispute the

characterization that a lot of the

Israel Administration look upon

Palestinians as lesser people otherwise

they wouldn't they even look atan Jews

and Y Jews Like Les I wouldn't dispute

that um I want to quote you to end this

no why would you end this don't end this

we'll be talking for two hours why not

at some point amazing time we do another

interview well this one goes big um I

think this is a neat way to end it he

said I actually believe there is a

middle ground between everybody and they

can meet I direct my criticism for the

extreme of each one of them that was you

Asam you m i I agree with that but I

don't share your view there can never be

peace in this region I I think they

can't be with the current leadership

structures in both countries or both

places but I definitely think you've got

to be optimistic about peace you just

need to find people for it hope I hope

so but the reason

listen I refuse to come on my on your

show when you're producer first called

me for the first

interview because I was scared I was

afraid for me that was a career

suicide because and and I have I'm talk

this is even important because you are

someone who's always talked about like

against cancel about like talking

speaking your mind out speaking your

mind out I left Egypt and I came to

America the land of the free the home of

the brave but I didn't know that there

was a fine print said that you cannot

speak about Israel I have issu with that

Israel is a foreign country their allies

good think about

Israel how many people lost their jobs

even

B she she by the way she hasn't lost her

job no no but she talked about death

threats she's talking about like being

silenced by B is with she's Palestinian

and you know who else sisters I love the

they are with us anyway so I know them

both are very nice yeah but but the

thing is if if you are that high and you

cannot speak about it and it's not about

it's you can just have to yeah you can I

mean I've spoken out about these issues

and you get shot at not literally but

metaphorically all day long on social

media that shouldn't stop people from

doing it I'm just like wondering as an

as an American yeah but like I I'm doing

now because like the first interview

went well I'm doing that because I want

people to see that you can really speak

up and not just get canceled but get

rewarded my career is going fine yeah

it's great because I want people to have

the courage why are there should be no

limits I'm I'm I'm kind of like so so

confused as an American citizen why

every American president cand a

presidential candidate have to go and

kiss the hand and bend the knees to

APAC this is a Lobby that works for a

foreign country interest why don't we

have like a Lobby for Saudi Arabia at is

they giving us more money you know the

great thing you can say that here yes

you couldn't say in Egypt that's why

you're living here yes but again a lot

of people feel the burn the heat

whenever but if I was an American I'd be

going all right bassim all right we'll

take the criticism because you can do

that in this country and I'm happy when

you criticize the government in your own

country yeah they drove you out yes and

that's why I came to America to play The

White Man's game to actually to to to

pass this acquired white privilege to my

children but the problem not just a

country of white people but but here's

the problem and the white man's game the

the game in America is not a white man's

game it's a game that actually has a

democracy and believes in Freedom of

spee dog whistles everywh you're not

going to be put in jail for this

interview or I can lose my career and I

can lose jobs and you know that you

could in Egypt you could no here you can

in Egypt they arrested you here you can

and they threatened you and you would

have probably ended up in prison or dead

here a lot of people lost their jobs

because they spoke up it depends what

they say of course but again if you're

Kye West and you spew anti-semitic G I'm

to I will never adopt that kind of point

of view but the thing is there is dog

whistles everywhere as I told you at the

beginning you cannot just say it's like

anti

like I mean now the how come that the

Palestinian flag is outload by the way

it's outload in Israel if you raise the

a you go to jail and now they're saying

like the Palestinian flag is a pramas no

it's not a pramas you know I was in I

was doing a comedy show in Arizona and a

guy was like wearing like a cof like a

scarf and I took it and and I'm not like

in Hyperbole and like wearing symbols

but I just WR it because like why are we

are we going to Outlook colors and flags

that is that that is abs

that is not right I don't I agree I

don't think you should but you should

certainly Outlaw Hamas regard they're

already Outlaw I mean I'm not supporting

I'm okay okay but the people with the

power the people who supposedly have the

and you should by the way I will say

this you should be able to criticize

Israeli government without being accused

of being anti-semitic I have in this

interview repeatedly and I'm not

anti-semitic I just have a problem with

all of what the Israeli government's

been doing and I have a problem with how

any criticism to Israel by some circles

here are considered anti-semite this is

not fair but a lot of the people doing

it are actually anti-semitic yes but

also a lot of zionists are against

Israel that they hate the Jews you know

it it it we've discussed that I want to

on happy but before I want to just like

say two words about the media which is

okay please

sure uh Mr zlot the Palestinian ambass

that you have this guy lost six members

of his family in an Israeli stru

M and when he went on like some British

news thing he sat down and and and and

and the lady told him like we are very

sorry for personal I'm sure you don't

condem the killing of Israeli civilians

what in the same moment there's another

girl like called diara Aid she was like

on Sky News and and the girl was like

crying like I lost 30 members of my

family 17 of them I lost my best friend

and then what do you think would happen

is I forget about empathy a lot of

people what about manners well I think

you have to start I've said this

repeatedly you have to start from a

place of humanity you have to look at

what happened on October the 7th and

feel utterly outraged and disgusted for

the loss of human life and you also have

to feel that for what's happening in

Gaza to innocent people and if you don't

if you can't feel both for both sets of

people both sets of innocent people

being killed if you can't feel a sense

of of Despair and horror over their

death you don't have any Humanity

believe me Pierce believe me Pierce it's

not really about that there's a deep

sentiment in the Middle East in Arabs

that the West do not look at us as

equals well you know what so what I did

I went to the machines yeah and I asked

Chad gbt simple

questions do Israelis deserve to be free

and you know what they tell me yes

Israelis deserve the right like any

other people and then I asked the same

question to palestin Ians deserve to be

free and you know what they tell me it

is complex it is a sensitive issue well

it's not complex it's not sensitive the

Palestinian people should be free yeah

but even the maches be finished and they

should have exactly the same rights to

freedom and freedom of expression and a

way to lead their lives and to water and

to power and to Internet that Israelis

have and we have here in America and we

have back in my home country of the UK

and I want that for the Palestinian

people we've got to end it there okay

mainly because I've worked up a hell of

a in 2 hours of interview and you have

brought your

wife's so tell me again how I do this

okay so basically take a piece of this

put it in the olive oil yes which is

from the West Bank yeah from the west

bank and then a little bit of this yes

are that yes yes this is like amazing

oil coming from the Olive Tree uh this

is come from the West Bank since 1967

Israel have actually uprooted 800,000

Olive Tree just two that is absolutely

Ely delicious please thank your wife for

me thank wish her all the best and her

family particularly those who are

obviously in Gaza it's been great to see

you thank you so much in America let's

do it again let's do it again let's keep

talking I honestly think the way through

this is people keep talking yes good to

see thank you so

much