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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,440 No jobs have come in, have they? 2 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:28,998 Nah, quiet week for killers. 3 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,200 Morning, boys and girls. 4 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,640 This is Detective Senior Constable Oakley. Missing Persons. 5 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:41,840 Victoria. Hi. 6 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,560 Detective Oakley is on temporary secondment to us. 7 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,480 She believes she may have turned up a series of homicides, 8 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:50,560 possibly linked. 9 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,080 So Missing Persons have hand-balled them to us 10 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,880 so that our necks are in the noose, not theirs. 11 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,600 Oakley. Thank you, sir. 12 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,440 I was reviewing files 13 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,000 and I spotted a possible link between a group of missing women. 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,720 What kind of link? 15 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,000 They all disappeared at one-year intervals, same month each year. 16 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,320 Different ages and types but all between 1 8 and 27, 17 00:01:11,320 --> 00:01:12,800 all quite attractive. 18 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,160 And you think they've been murdered, bodies disposed of? 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,640 And never found, yes. 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,600 It's not just a bizarre set of coincidences? 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,080 I don't think so. 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,160 But at this stage, multiple murder is just a theory? 23 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,280 So we need to pull together some evidence, right? 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,400 Oakley will give you everything she has. 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,840 I want a result on this either way ASAP. 26 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,760 I don't want a whole bunch of new cases. 27 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,230 So how long has this been going on? I mean, how many potential victims? 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,277 1 2 years. 29 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,159 1 0 victims. 30 00:01:45,320 --> 00:01:47,151 We have a serial killer out there. 31 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,880 So there's one gap of two years here between victims three and six. 32 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,040 So you think the gap represents a couple of women who haven't been reported? 33 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,040 Y es. 34 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,680 Got to acknowledge the rest of the pattern. 35 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,760 Two unreported. Loners? Possibly. 36 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,400 Were they all loners? No. 37 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,120 Family circumstances vary, 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,400 so do social circle, affluence, parts of the State. 39 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,000 The very randomness is probably 40 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,360 the reason why nobody put it together before. 41 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,920 These women have literally disappeared. 42 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:23,920 I've checked all of the interstate databases 43 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:25,440 trying to find even one of them. 44 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:26,480 No go! 45 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,600 No driver's licences, credit cards, leases, utility bills, passports? 46 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,560 Nothing. 47 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,360 I wish I had found something. 48 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,160 Then we wouldn't all be here talking serial killer, would we? 49 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,600 You say they disappeared suddenly? 50 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,760 Two of them just didn't turn up for meetings. 51 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,280 One was with an old friend. 52 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:43,920 The other with her parole officer. 53 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,520 Several of them were reported missing by their families. 54 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,560 Individual reports all in the files. 55 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,040 None of them even took 56 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,600 anything with them from their homes, 57 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,560 not even the kind of stuff you can just toss in the car. 58 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,200 And that's the other key link. Their cars? 59 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,120 All missing? 60 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,840 No trace? Not re-registered? 61 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,240 It looks like a multiple offender to me. 62 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:04,920 You'll only get so much off databases. 63 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:09,080 You need to build a profile of a suspect or suspects 64 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,600 by getting to know the victim. 65 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,760 Talk to their families, find out what you can, everything you can - 66 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,080 their social circles, hangouts, friends, what they enjoyed doing, 67 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,560 everything. 68 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,320 Make one a focus. 69 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,160 Best shot - most recent victim. 70 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,880 Moira Watkins. 71 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,640 Joyner, Freeman, you start there. 72 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:27,760 What about me, sir? 73 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,600 No, you're a resource, Detective. 74 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,480 You stay here, assist with background. 75 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,995 Alright,chop-chop. Moira Watkins has a brother. Start there. 76 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:37,600 No, I didn't report her missing. 77 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,040 Why not, Mr Watkins? I didn't think she WAS missing. 78 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,920 Her landlady was the one who reported it. 79 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,520 Wanted the rent, I suppose. 80 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,800 So you and Moira weren't close, then? No. 81 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,000 Look, I have to get back to the office, so... 82 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,880 They know we're talking to you. They told us where to find you. 83 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,520 What about your parents? Did she stay in touch with them? 84 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,511 Not unless she went to seances. 85 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,800 Our family wasn't what you'd call close. 86 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,640 Mum and Dad didn't get on with us kids. 87 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,720 That usually pushes the kids closer together. 88 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,640 Not me and Moira. 89 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,440 When Mum and Dad died, we sold the house, paid off the mortgage 90 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,000 and went our separate ways, 91 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,760 each with half of what was left, which wasn't a lot. 92 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,480 And you've not been in contact since? 93 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:15,960 The odd phone call. 94 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,800 I wouldn't even have known she'd disappeared 95 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,400 if Missing Persons hadn't of called asking questions. 96 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,080 That doesn't disprove anything. What doesn't? 97 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,880 Matt and Jen have turned up three families 98 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,520 that have actually heard from the alleged victims 99 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,080 sometime after they went missing. 100 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,840 Which means Victoria's serial killer theory is looking a bit thin. 101 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:32,960 They're not alleged victims, they're all missing. 102 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,760 Question is, are they dead? 103 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,320 What do you think's happened to them? 104 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,120 So, what, these three were held for a month 105 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,080 and then allowed to make phone calls to their families and then killed? 106 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,280 Two months between disappearance and phone call, in one case. 107 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:49,920 These contacts do punch some big holes in your theory, Victoria. 108 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,080 - What if Victoria's right? 1 0 women. - 1 1. 109 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,120 I think we just filled in one of the holes. 110 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,200 Another victim - number five. She fits the second blank year. 111 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,640 Patricia Symonds, same general type, same circumstances, same month. 112 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,680 It can't have been the same month as the others. 113 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,240 I would have picked up on it. 114 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,200 She disappeared the same month as the others 115 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,360 but she was only reported a month later. 116 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:11,600 1 1 now. 117 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,600 And the man who reported her missing, 118 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,800 he was a work mate, Greg Prince. 119 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,473 He still works at Bader and McCain, a stockbroking firm in the city. 120 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,760 Y es, eight years ago. 121 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,680 I was a senior broker back then. I'm a partner now. 122 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,360 Congratulations. 123 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,560 What did Ms Symonds do? 124 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,960 Well, she was just a gofer, really. 125 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,800 She came in delivering sandwiches. Lovely girl. Bubbly. 126 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,600 She, er,charmed the pants off a floor captain 127 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,200 and landed herself a better job. 128 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,680 And then? Well, nothing much. 129 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,360 She never really opened up to anyone, 130 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,560 just went home to her little apartment every night. 131 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,160 How do you now it was little? Oh, well, you know. I assume. 132 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,200 Hmm. 133 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,680 You reported her missing, 134 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,680 so she obviously opened up a lot more to you. 135 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,560 Little apartment, little phone bills, we can check. 136 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,960 Did you know most people who report missing persons 137 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,440 turn out to be the ones who made them disappear? 138 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:06,998 I didn't do that. 139 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,118 OK. We were sleeping together. 140 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,840 Look, I'm not proud of it. I was engaged at the time. 141 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:18,640 Anyone find out about the affair? 142 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,120 God, no. 143 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,720 How long were you seeing her? A couple of months. 144 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,800 Until she didn't turn up to work one day. 145 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,680 What did you do? Well, I rang. 146 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,880 A lot of times over that week. You can check. 147 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,080 Did you go to her apartment, sir? There was no point. I didn't have a key. 148 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,120 Yeah, right. It all gets too serious once they try and give you a key. 149 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,600 I rang the police, reported it! A month after she disappeared. 150 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,280 Why did you wait so long? 151 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:43,120 Because I thought she could turn up any day! 152 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,560 How was she the last time you saw her, before she disappeared? 153 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,040 I didn't see her. 154 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,480 I spoke to her on the phone. 155 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,360 Her car had broken down again. 156 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,160 She had this old rusty bomb that kept giving up on her. 157 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,276 She wanted me to come pick her up. 158 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,520 I couldn't. Work or fiancee? 159 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,360 I was having dinner with my fiancee. That was the Friday evening. 160 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,920 On the Monday, Patricia didn't turn up to work. 161 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,840 The rest you know. 162 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,320 How did you go? Good call on the vehicle breakdowns. 163 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:15,920 There's more broken-down cars? 164 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,440 Want your seat? No, no. You're fine, you're fine. 165 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,840 Victim number three, last seen waiting for a tow truck. 166 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,680 A tow truck? Yep. 167 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,000 And victim number seven, she rang her brother, 168 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,360 she was supposed to have dinner with him but her car had broken down, 169 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,200 so she said she'd be late and she never showed up. 170 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,640 So what are we looking at here, roadside assist? 171 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:36,760 Mechanic, towie. 172 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,117 That'd explain why the cars go missing as well as the women, wouldn't it? 173 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:05,916 # Someone will take you home and you'll see that it 174 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,560 # Is right 175 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:14,714 # Someone will take you home and you'll see that it 176 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,320 # Is right 177 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,520 # My heart 178 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,637 # Isn't confetti 179 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,800 # My heart... # 180 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,240 Have to get to uni, then home. 181 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,000 Put the oven on a timer to cook my dinner. 182 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,911 Ready for when you get back, eh? 183 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,432 I won't be popular if I burn the place down. 184 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:54,360 # The road is long enough... # 185 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,590 Cabs at peak hour? 186 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,479 Forget it. 187 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,760 You know, I can give you a lift if you like. 188 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,760 Really? Sure. 189 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,080 # My heart 190 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,878 # Isn't confetti... # 191 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,200 Sorry about the mess. This is really good of you. 192 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,792 Thanks. Not a bother. 193 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,239 The last one... 194 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:29,400 ..that wont be the last. 195 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,277 No. 196 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,320 This isn't over. 197 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,756 # Oh, if I lose this time 198 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,440 # Oh, no 199 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:46,833 # I'll wake and I'll hide in the dark. # 200 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,960 Moira Watkins, victim number 1 2. 201 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,880 Now, we've gone back through her credit history 202 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,800 and found a monthly charge that fell on the date of her disappearance. 203 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,000 Car bill? Massage. 204 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,800 Moira rang and cancelled her last appointment. No-one's seen her since. 205 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,640 So why did she cancel? 206 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,480 Because her car had broken down. ..had broken down. 207 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,800 Same with this woman, Rebecca Powers. 208 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,880 She was last seen by her personal trainer 209 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,280 who was nearby when her client's car got towed. 210 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,360 So that's 4 out of 1 1 with car problems. 211 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,920 - So far. - It's gotta be worth checking out. 212 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,640 Name's Peta Sharpe. 213 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,040 Trains clients before work in Phoenix Park, right about now. 214 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,560 Alright, Mattie,come on, 215 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:28,600 get her to take a look at your abs, give you some tips. 216 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,273 Hey, do you wanna come along? We're done backgrounding now, aren't we? 217 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,640 She was my second-last client. 218 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:40,880 At the gym? Yes. 219 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,120 I had another session with the final client, 220 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,280 then when I was leaving, Rebecca was still in the car park. 221 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,480 There was a tow truck. Her car had broken down. 222 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,400 So she'd called for the tow truck? No, it was just passing, she said. 223 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,840 What did he look like? Did you get a look at him? 224 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:54,840 Not really. 225 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,840 He was busy at the truck and it was dark. 226 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,120 It's an outside car park, not very well-lit. 227 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,600 General impression? 228 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,280 He...he was just a towie. Sorry. 229 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,040 It's been years. 230 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,840 How was Ms Powers gonna get home? 231 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,640 I offered to give her a lift 232 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,360 but she said the guy had already offered to drop her off. 233 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,112 What's happened to her? 234 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,760 Is there anything else you can remember from that night 235 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,440 that might help us? 236 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,880 I do remember the name of the towing company. 237 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,040 It made me smile at the time. 238 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,519 Pullman's Towing. 239 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,400 Club tatts, Mr Pullman? 240 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,200 Why don't you read 'em and find out? Want a closer look? 241 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,680 Wanna take a closer look at the inside of a cell? 242 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:38,800 BT, DT, mate. Yeah? 243 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,440 Well, we've been there and done that too, mate. 244 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,720 We checked your record. Yeah. 245 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,560 Well, you know I haven't been inside for years 246 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:47,400 and I quit scamming when I got out, alright? 247 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,040 But you haven't really quit, have you? 248 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,320 I mean, you run a towing company. Hey, my books are clean. 249 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,400 You wanna read them too, eh? 250 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,240 We want to ask you some questions about your operations here, 251 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,360 you and your employees. 252 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,320 What you want and what you get, eh, Love? 253 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,800 I'm busy. 254 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,760 We can get a warrant, sir. Do it the hard way. 255 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,320 Yeah, good. Great. 256 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,480 Be a change to see you bastards get off your arse and do some work. 257 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,320 Why don't you piss off and get into it? 258 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,040 Why don't you watch your mouth? 259 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,760 Why don't you shove it up your arse, you poofter? 260 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,800 In other words, you have nothing to say to us? 261 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,280 Yeah. About this or anything else, so rack off. 262 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,840 We'll be back with that warrant. 263 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,840 Yeah? Make sure you come back by yourself. 264 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,230 Got a tattoo to show you you won't forget in a hurry. 265 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,639 Sir? 266 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,480 Si. Got one more question. 267 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,040 No, leave it. We'll get the warrant. 268 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,553 Jarvis. I'll go. 269 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,120 Sorry, sir, what was that? You're breaking up. 270 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,520 Victoria? 271 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,240 No, Look, she'd done the background checks so she came with us, that's all. 272 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,196 Mr Pullman. 273 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,920 Now, if you don't give us the information we requested, 274 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,640 I won't come back with a warrant - I will come back with that gun, 275 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,440 and I will use it to blow your brains out. 276 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,120 Are we clear? 277 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,120 Now, do you wanna talk to us? 278 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,240 Do you wanna talk to us?! Yeah. 279 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,000 Good. 280 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,958 Cooperation. We like that. 281 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:41,271 Mr Pullman has kindly agreed to attend for interview. 282 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,080 I got a contract with an automobile association. 283 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,960 They get called out to broken-down cars, then they pass them on to me. 284 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,680 And you make sure it's picked up? Yeah. 285 00:13:57,680 --> 00:13:59,240 You go to call-outs yourself, Mr Pullman? 286 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:00,960 Used to. Not any more. 287 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,200 When was the last time? Five or six years ago. 288 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,600 I just run the radio in there. Call-outs are too hard. 289 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,960 How many drivers? Those four, I already told you. 290 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,760 All these names and contact details still current, sir? 291 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:13,960 Yes. 292 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,960 These women, any of them, do you recognise them? 293 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,360 No. Keep looking. 294 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,920 Look, what's this all about? Keep looking. 295 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:29,960 Have you looked closely at all these photographs? 296 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:30,960 Y es. 297 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,440 You recognise any of them? Look, I told you I don't, alright? 298 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,200 Look, I'm sorry, I can't help you. 299 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,880 OK, thank you very much for your help. 300 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,400 And thank you for your cooperation 301 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,480 in providing us with access to all materials related to your business. 302 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,720 Interview terminated at 8:06pm. 303 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,473 You're free to go, sir. I'll show you out. 304 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,988 What happened to these women? What happened to your face? 305 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,192 Walked into a hoist. Clumsy, not paying attention. 306 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,912 How did Harvey Pullman get that bruise on his cheek? 307 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:15,760 Like he said, I guess he's clumsy. 308 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,000 Did you assault him, Simon? 309 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,596 Me assault him? Mattie, do I look that stupid? 310 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,480 I threatened him with an audit of his books. It's worked before. 311 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,080 He's gotta have something shonky to hide. Not just bad tatts either. 312 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,559 He's scared of you. 313 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,520 It's because he turned nasty and he went for me. 314 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,680 And I put him on his back. 315 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,440 And I gave him the whole "Now you're looking at assault police" routine, 316 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,200 and that is why he decided to cooperate. 317 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:43,800 It's true. 318 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,640 I saw it, the whole thing. 319 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,552 Happened exactly the way he says. 320 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,238 Hi. Hi. 321 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,960 Thought you might wanna talk. Yeah? About what? 322 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,960 About what happened to Harvey Pullman. 323 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,960 I really did see the whole thing. 324 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,360 You didn't see him going for me. You saw me overreacting. 325 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:51,960 I saw the whole thing, Simon. 326 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,720 It's OK, I'm not here to heavy you about it. 327 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,320 It's not some kind of threat. 328 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,357 Threats don't usually come with a nice red, do they? 329 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:03,958 You like Merlot? 330 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,032 Turn it off. 331 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,720 So, why did you go for Pullman? 332 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,915 Just lost it with the prick. 333 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,391 There's only so much crap you can take from morons like that. 334 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,920 I guess I'd just taken enough, that's all. 335 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,399 Fair enough. 336 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:13,111 So why didn't you dob me in? 337 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,120 That's easy. You don't dog. 338 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:19,156 Rule number one, right? 339 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,550 I thought you were right, anyway. 340 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,312 Garbage piles too high, you sometimes gotta run the bulldozer over it. 341 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,640 Mate, we're outta here. What's happened? 342 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,360 Peta Sharpe, the fitness trainer, called in. 343 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:54,160 She's remembered something about the driver of the Pullman tow truck. 344 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,600 When he was driving off, he waved at her and he had a scarred right hand. 345 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,956 A burn or scald. Alright,could help. 346 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,800 Yeah, this hand. I remember him. 347 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,960 That was eight or nine years ago. 348 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,280 I don't even have tax papers that go back that far. 349 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,120 We're not worried about your tax, Mr Pullman. 350 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:14,400 This driver with the scar, what else can you tell us? 351 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,880 Wasn't just a scar. It was like it had been cooked or something. 352 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,480 Skin grafts? 353 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,040 Yeah. It looked pretty raw to me. 354 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,320 What was his name? I already told you. I don't know. 355 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,000 It was Norman something. 356 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,080 Why did this Norman-something leave? He just didn't show up. 357 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,840 He didn't collect his pay or nothing, eh. 358 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,360 Why not? No idea. He was just gone. 359 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:35,920 One of the other drivers reckoned 360 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,160 they'd seen his truck the day before he didn't show up, 361 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,800 he was pulled over by a cop car. 362 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,960 Any idea where? Sid might know. 363 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,840 He still works for me. 364 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,479 Look, I didn't trust that bastard anyway. 365 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,120 Always thought he was ripping me off, 366 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:51,440 doing cash jobs and not putting it through the business. 367 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:56,080 Look, his name was Vooo...Voodal... Du... 368 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,069 Duval? 369 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,514 Yeah, that's it, Norman Duval. Bastard. 370 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,600 The other towie was sure he saw this Duval guy's truck on Kincaid Street? 371 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,280 He remembers the bowls club, apparently. 372 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,320 OK. These are the running sheets for all the patrols covering this area. 373 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,840 OK, here we go. Duval, Norman, incident report. 374 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,880 Wasn't charged and there's nothing else on his sheet. 375 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,760 "Complained of sexual assault." 376 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,400 Complainant? Complainant. 377 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,960 Natalie Barbara Stroud. 378 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,791 Try this number. 379 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,320 You were hard to track down, Ms Stroud. Moved about a bit? 380 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,800 I'm settled now. 381 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,960 You're pretty good with those guys. Seem to be. 382 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,720 Look, I really don't think I can help you with any of this. 383 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,520 It's been years since I made that complaint. I've put it all behind me. 384 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,280 I actually don't really remember that much anyway. 385 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,160 Things like that tend to be hard to forget. 386 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,760 We have a record of your complaint. 387 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,480 And a driver's licence photo of your attacker might refresh your memory. 388 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,440 I don't wanna see it. 389 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,720 Ms Stroud, we believe you had a very lucky escape. 390 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,600 We believe the man who tried to assault you 391 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,680 may have attacked a lot more women, possibly killed them. 392 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,320 We believe he may do it again. Please don't make me do this. 393 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,720 I don't think you have forgotten. I think you'd like to forget. 394 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,280 This isn't fair. I've tried to forget. 395 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,960 So try to remember. We need anything you can give us on this guy. 396 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,520 No matter how upsetting it may be. 397 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,160 How dare you put me through this... 398 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,640 We need you to dredge it all up! 399 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,200 And, Look, I am sorry, but we need to stop this guy 400 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,800 before he attacks someone else. 401 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,280 You were very lucky. 402 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,600 We understand how scared you must be, thinking about him again. 403 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,360 Not just him. 404 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:32,600 He's not the reason I dropped the complaint. 405 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,920 What do you mean, Natalie? It was because of her... 406 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,920 A woman came round to my house. She threatened me. 407 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,960 She was horrible, even nastier than him. 408 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,714 She said if I didn't drop it, she'd sort me out. 409 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,560 She...said... 410 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,676 She what? What did she say? 411 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,400 She said if I didn't drop it, 412 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,675 keep my mouth shut... 413 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,474 ..she'd cut my tits off and eat them while I watched. 414 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,676 And then she'd kill me. 415 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,120 Natalie Stroud got lucky. 416 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:15,080 The police pulled over the tow truck because of a broken tail-light. 417 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,440 She got out, screaming, made the complaint. 418 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,160 And that's what the other towie saw. 419 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,240 Then later the woman threatened her, Natalie withdrew the complaint, 420 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,200 moved on, disappeared, counted herself lucky. 421 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,200 She did do a pretty solid face-fit for us. 422 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,800 This is the woman who attacked her. 423 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,400 Norman Duval's lover, accomplice, we don't know. 424 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,240 Most likely a sexual relationship. 425 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,520 Run the name Duval for her. Already happening, sir. 426 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,680 OK, so, Norman Duval uses Pullman's tow truck business 427 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,160 to pick up young women. 428 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,520 Probably owns his own truck now, operating as an independent. 429 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,240 There's no record of him anywhere. 430 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,480 The address on the licence is long out of date. 431 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,320 He's probably operating the truck illegally. 432 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,240 Or he just takes it out for the hunt. 433 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,560 Why do they do it as a pair? Is it a dominant-submission thing? 434 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,680 Well, that's usual when it's paired killers. 435 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,080 But in some cases, the couple will feed off each other. 436 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,520 Aroused by their partner's violent sexual behaviour? 437 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,520 Exactly. 438 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,760 So, the idea is they need sadistic violence to get their rocks off? 439 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,840 And that pleasure, it builds through anticipation. 440 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,880 The regular annual event. 441 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,400 The thrill of the hunt. 442 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,840 Cruising, targeting and taking. 443 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,150 And finally, the domination. 444 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,636 The acting out of those sadistic sexual fantasies. 445 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,880 And, of course, the eventual elimination. 446 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,200 There's no more intimate moment to share with a person than death. 447 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,880 Murders like these are the expression 448 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,190 of a highly intense sadistic pleasure. 449 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,920 You are gonna find that these women have been horribly brutalised 450 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,280 before they were murdered. 451 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,200 So she indulges her man. 452 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,800 She lets him play out these pleasures until she gets jealous. 453 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,640 And then she gets him to kill them. Or she does it herself. 454 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,600 At least now we know how he hunts them. 455 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,480 We need to locate his truck. That'll lead us to him. 456 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,280 We may not have to. 457 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,240 The births, deaths, marriages check took us to a Peggy Barkham. 458 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,600 Three years prior to Natalie Stroud's abduction, 459 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,920 Peggy Barkham was arrested for assault. 460 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,471 She got off on good behaviour. She's now Peggy Duval, Norman's wife. 461 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,959 Is this her? 462 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,680 This is the woman that threatened you? 463 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,669 Yeah. 464 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,640 Natalie, she came to your home. How did she find you? 465 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,640 I don't know. I assumed it was from the complaint. 466 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,596 Police don't release that kind of information. 467 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:42,560 In the days before the attempt to abduct you, 468 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,200 did anything unusual happen? 469 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,720 Unusual? It was a long time ago. 470 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,120 A sense of anyone following you? Any intruders? 471 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:52,440 Anyone checking you out, your car? No. 472 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,520 Any odd phone calls? Checking me out? 473 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,640 Er, no. Not unless you count those annoying market research calls. 474 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,120 I got one of them. 475 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:00,758 Do you remember what the call was about? 476 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,800 Eating habits, I think. It was a Health Department study. 477 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,760 I remember I hung up halfway through because it went on too long. 478 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,435 Marital status, eating habits, persona... 479 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,800 ..personal details. 480 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,080 Your phone number, it's listed? Yeah. 481 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,152 Was the caller a woman? Yes, she... 482 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,840 Oh, God. 483 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,990 It was her, wasn't it? 484 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,559 Come on. 485 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,480 Market research. 486 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,160 The victims aren't random, she chooses them. 487 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,392 She doesn't take part in the hunt but she chooses the target. 488 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,680 So no-one under either name that year? 489 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,760 OK. Thanks for your help. 'Bye. 490 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,433 I AM holding, dickhead. 491 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,192 Ma'am. 492 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:01,080 Mapplethorpe, Jarvis has briefed me in between my meetings. 493 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,200 I've got about a 20-minute break. Any more progress? 494 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,120 Yeah. We're checking with market research companies. 495 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:07,160 The wife, Peggy, worked with one nine years ago. 496 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,720 We traced her via the Health Department. 497 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,560 We think they're still working that way, 498 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,200 that she's still doing telephone surveys. 499 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,640 You do? Barkham? 500 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,440 How long ago? 501 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,600 Yeah. OK, I'm gonna need an address. 502 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,240 Guys, here we go. She's working under her maiden name. 503 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,037 They're getting me an address. 504 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,040 We're in position. Secure around the back. 505 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,120 Copy. 506 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:55,951 All teams standing by. On our cue. 507 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,000 It's the police. Open up! 508 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,911 Norman Duval, this is the police. Open the door! 509 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,400 Police! Stay where you are! Go, go, go. 510 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,320 Police! Don't move! Don't move! Stay where you are! 511 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,878 Get back! 512 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,320 Police! Don't move! Get on the ground! 513 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,000 Don't move! Don't move! 514 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000 Police! Don't move! Get off me! 515 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,320 What are you doing to him? 516 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,520 - Leave him alone! - Stay down on the ground! 517 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,240 Leave him alone! 518 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,680 ..in relation to a number of murders. 519 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,160 Hands behind your back. 520 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,840 Leave him alone! Leave him alone! Peg! Shut up! 521 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,480 Leave him alone! Peg! 522 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,800 Come on! 523 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,480 You can't do this without a warrant, mate. 524 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,040 I'll have you for this. 525 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,190 You want a warrant? There's a copy, alright? 526 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,839 Matt. 527 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,360 It's OK. 528 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,396 It's OK, you're safe, you're safe. 529 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,840 It's OK. Put this on you. It's OK. 530 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,800 I'm gonna take this blanket off you, OK? 531 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,440 It's OK. It's OK, you're safe. 532 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,880 It's OK. You're safe. There you go, there you go, there you go. 533 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,680 She's amazing. 534 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,080 She wants to do the rape kit and then talk to us. 535 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,760 Nick and Jen are bringing her in now. 536 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,120 You need to talk to her before you interview the Duvals. 537 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,840 Why? We've got plenty of evidence to work with. 538 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,320 Not for murder. 539 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,480 Abduction, unlawful detainment and rape, yes, but not murder. 540 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,760 No bodies. 541 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,320 What about the locks of hair? Circumstantial. 542 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,320 Proves the women were there. Doesn't prove murder. 543 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,440 The more you have to take into that interview, 544 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,080 the more you're gonna get out of it. 545 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,200 What can she give us? The dynamic. 546 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,680 We need to know how it worked inside that room - 547 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,680 the way that they feed off each other. 548 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,600 Maybe we can use that to break them down, 549 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,000 turn them against each other. 550 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,680 One saved. 551 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,830 Not much a of a victory. 552 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,680 We'll take this at your pace, Belinda. 553 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,080 Whenever you need a break, just say. 554 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,200 I just wanna get this over with. 555 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,113 My sister's gonna take me home when we're done. 556 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,116 Can you tell us exactly what happened? 557 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,630 He raped me while she watched. 558 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,469 "This would be the first of many, " he said. 559 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,438 First of many. 560 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,713 Would you like a couple of minutes? No. 561 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,718 It stunk. 562 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,313 That bed. That blanket. 563 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,480 Him. 564 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,400 How involved was she? 565 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,120 She was egging him on. 566 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,394 Laughing. 567 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,590 What happened when you were first put in the room? 568 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,590 She tied me to the bed when I woke up. 569 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,400 Then brushed my hair and cut a piece out of it. 570 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,640 So she waited till you were awake to tie you up? 571 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,629 Y es. 572 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,920 And she was the one that cut your hair? 573 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,955 Y es. 574 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,596 And, um...put on the make-up... 575 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,073 All over my face, Like a clown. 576 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,269 To make me pretty, she said. 577 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,310 But... 578 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,637 ..when he wasn't around... 579 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,715 ..she'd come in and slap me... 580 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,674 ..tell me not to .get used to it around here... 581 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,916 ..to stay away from her man. 582 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,877 Like I had a choice. 583 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,194 It was like she was... Jealous. 584 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,032 She resented you for taking away his affections. 585 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,589 He gets engrossed and she gets jealous. 586 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,120 You've been formally identified by your victim. 587 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,600 You and your wife. 588 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,036 What do you say about that? 589 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,640 Nothing. 590 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,160 You were caught at the house with Ms Graves tied to the bed. 591 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,200 She was still alive, though, wasn't she? 592 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,680 But you killed the others, didn't you? 593 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,353 I... I didn't kill anyone. 594 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,160 What makes you think I killed them? 595 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,440 So, how does Peggy feel about the other women? 596 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,600 - What other women? - Oh,come on, Peggy! 597 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,280 They're all there on the blanket, aren't they? Traces of them. 598 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,440 Tell us about the blanket. What about it? 599 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,960 It's filthy. And the mattress. 600 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,520 What, Norman makes you keep it that way, does he? 601 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,120 They're trophies too? 602 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,640 Stains and all. 603 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,280 Normie doesn't make me do anything. 604 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:58,360 His trophies. He just can't let go of his old flames, can he? 605 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,120 He even keeps a lock of their hair. 606 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,160 Keeping their hair was a mistake. 607 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,840 We can go back to the families, get samples for comparison. 608 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,080 The IDs will be positive. So what? 609 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,280 Some girls were at my house 610 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,480 and maybe we had sex. 611 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,357 Doesn't prove I raped 'em. 612 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,520 And it definitely doesn't prove I killed 'em! 613 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,880 We will prove what happened because Peggy will sell you out 614 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,760 to save herself. 615 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,680 Mmm, no, she won't. 616 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,557 Peggy loves me. 617 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,040 A LOT. 618 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,076 Are these the women you raped? 619 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,120 I already told you, it wasn't rape. 620 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,760 They liked it rough. 621 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,000 Which ones did he like, Peggy? Which ones were his favourites? 622 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,320 Shut up. 623 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,040 What were their names? Can you even remember? 624 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,760 Remember? They don't even care. Look at 'em. 625 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,120 She does. She cares. 626 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,360 It's not as sexual for her. It's a form of narcissism. 627 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,351 She has to get rid of the threat. 628 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,640 She's a pretty one. 629 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,560 Blonde, nice hair. She's young too. 630 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,000 Did he fall for her? He doesn't love them, he loves me. 631 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,433 I'm his wife. 632 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,200 But you're obviously not enough. 633 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,360 It's once a year, h... 634 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,760 I give him what he needs all the rest of the time. 635 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,800 So why do you get rid of them, Norman? 636 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,120 Were they too much trouble? 637 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,480 Do they start complaining? Crying? 638 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,400 No. 639 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,080 No, I told you... I didn't kill them. 640 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,560 You kill them, Peggy, when he starts to like them too much. 641 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,313 He probably preferred them to you. That's a lie. 642 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,960 So, what happened? 643 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,190 She get rid of them before you were finished with them? 644 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,440 These were your girls, mate. 645 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,600 These were your girls and she took 'em away! 646 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,353 I had to, didn't l? They weren't good enough for him. 647 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,874 Always crying, always snivelling, ssss... 648 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,758 They were nothing. 649 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,200 Jeez, you must have been dirty when you found out what happened. 650 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,800 These girls, 651 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,997 they would do anything that you wanted. 652 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,160 You had total control over them. 653 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,760 But then you couldn't even control your own wife. 654 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,354 Could you, eh? Hey, I controlled her, alright?! 655 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,278 Made her clean it up. 656 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,040 She killed them, she buried them. 657 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,400 Some of them were strong - fought, scratched, bit. 658 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,072 Begged. 659 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,514 People will do almost anything to stay alive. 660 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,000 So she got rid of all of them? 661 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,479 Yeah. 662 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,480 Nah. 663 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,960 No, hang on. No, no, no, no, no, no. There was one who got away years ago. 664 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,760 Little cow took a piece out of Peggy's arm. 665 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,600 Served her right. 666 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,716 See that? She bit me. 667 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:18,200 Ran off. 668 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,760 Bitch was the only one who ever got away from the house, though. 669 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,752 There were these spuds on the stove, right? 670 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,440 She did this, eh? 671 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,000 She didn't go to the police? 672 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,080 Oh, mate, if she did, we were long gone. 673 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,991 The one that got away, her name. 674 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,992 I can't remember. 675 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,393 No. She was a pretty little thing, though. 676 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:49,075 Her name! 677 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,359 Gail. 678 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,478 Gail Keenan. 679 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,720 Ma'am. Morning. What is it? 680 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,400 The Duvals were being held over for further questioning. 681 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,880 We were setting up to interview them, 682 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,520 I called down to have them sent up 683 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,400 and somebody's already signed them out for a re-enactment. 684 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,840 You were nowhere near ready for that, were you? 685 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,149 No, ma'am! So who signed them out? 686 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,432 It's OK. I emptied it. 687 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,230 Five weeks they had me. 688 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,031 Five weeks. 689 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,631 How did you escape? 690 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,353 I threw the boiling water at him and... 691 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,840 ..I ran through the bushes 692 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,434 till I found a road. 693 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,560 I was scared she'd come after me, find me, 694 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,000 so I ran across the paddock 695 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,240 half-naked. 696 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:47,240 I got lost. 697 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:50,440 Hid until it was day. 698 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,200 And then? 699 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,398 I found a farm and called the police. 700 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,436 But I couldn't tell them... 701 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,760 ..where I'd been held or who they were. 702 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,796 They looked for them, though? 703 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,600 They found the house after a few days but it was empty, they'd gone. 704 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,760 I moved away, tried to get on with my life. 705 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,680 Changed my name. 706 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,600 Even tried getting married. 707 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,795 That didn't work. 708 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,440 I joined the police force to take back control of my life. 709 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,360 So you ended up in Missing Persons? 710 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,157 Caught this case. 711 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,116 All those missing women. 712 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:49,150 And I realised that the similarities applied to me as well. 713 00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:54,000 Why did you kill them, Victoria? 714 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,912 We had them. They confessed. 715 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,554 They gave us the location of the bodies. 716 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,796 You didn't have to do this. 717 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,272 You know. 718 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,718 You understand. 719 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,353 Garbage piles up, eventually you gotta mow it down. 720 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,960 Good result. 721 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,760 # Side by side we stick together 722 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,639 # To uphold the Magpies name... # 723 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,680 Come on, mate, what did she mean? 724 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,880 "You know. You understand." 725 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,668 Mowing down the garbage. What's that all about? 726 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,551 I think she sees me as a... 727 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:03,680 ..kindred spirit. 728 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,352 And are you? 729 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,035 I probably do need some time out. 730 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,758 Get my head together. 56345

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