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Allan: There is something
bad here that's not a human.
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You'll catch them out of
the corner of your eye.
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There are growling noises.
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[Growling]
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There was a murder that
took place in the house.
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And he died right there on the floor.
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This thing's torturing people.
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[Voice breaking] And it just hurts.
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I feel like it violates her.
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They're not safe anywhere in this house.
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They're being watched.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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This thing likes death.
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I see dead people.
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This thing's, like, a monster.
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I speak to dead people.
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And he's pissed off now.
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And they speak to me.
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His head was cracked.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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This guy was murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired
New York City homicide Detective.
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I cannot help you unless
I know the whole story.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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You saw her?
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Why would you stay here?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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[Echoing] Stop it.
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We uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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Woman: I want to know the truth.
I want to know what's happening.
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Or time to get out.
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[Crying] I told you there
were ghosts in this house.
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Di Schiavi: Amy and I conduct
separate investigations.
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I gather witness testimony and look for
hidden truths about the property's past.
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While Amy communicates
with the other side.
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[Bird squawks]
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I'm in Fort Wayne, Indiana, a
couple hours North of Indianapolis.
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We got called in by this guy named Mark.
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Mark said things are
so bad in this house,
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his 18-year-old daughter is
afraid to go to bed at night.
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And his wife's so scared, she moved
out and is living with her mother.
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Mark says he wants his life back,
and he thinks we're his last chance.
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Anderson: Before Amy arrives, I clear
anything that could influence her findings.
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This house has a lot of family
photographs and antique collectibles,
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that need to be covered or removed.
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When I'm finished, the location
will be ready for tonight's walk.
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Allan: There is something
definitely not right about the land.
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There's a little old man.
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He says...
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That a lot of bad things
happened there with that family.
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There was also, like,
a murder that happened.
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Somehow that ties in, too.
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I feel weak, unstable...
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Like something's trying to jump me.
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Di Schiavi: Mark, on the
phone, you mentioned how
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bad things were in the
house here, what's going on?
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Mark: I've seen an apparition.
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I've been touched, hit with things.
My wife's been, you know, messed with.
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We'll go sometimes for like a month
or two, and nothing will happen.
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And then it'll be continuous for weeks.
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Okay, so how long you been here?
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We've been here for 8 years,
and I bought it for $11,600.
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Why so cheap?
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It stood vacant for 8
years before I moved in.
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Why don't you just sell the
house and get out of here?
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You know, it's finances, and
the thing is, it's my house.
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I get that.
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What do you know about
the history of the house?
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I had heard that there was a
murder that took place in the house.
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Well, how long ago do you
think this homicide was?
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It happened in '96.
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You mentioned it was affecting
the family, in what way?
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I just reunited with
my daughter recently,
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but she doesn't like
being in the house alone.
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And my wife won't even stay
in the house by herself.
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If I'm not here, she'll
go stay at her mother's.
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It's come close to us breaking up
over it. It's affecting my work.
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- What do you do?
- Well, here, I'll show you.
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- I buy and sell antique firearms.
- Can I take a look at one of these?
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- Oh, yeah. Help yourself.
- Are they loaded?
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No.
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They were used pretty heavy in combat...
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Civil War, Indian Wars.
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I guarantee some of these guns
in here have killed people.
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Actually, that's a Confederate pinfire.
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What do you hope that we can do
for you with this investigation?
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I'd like to get my family back together.
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I'd like my wife to be able to stay
here, my daughter to feel comfortable.
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But it's really hard to do
with the way things are going.
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All right.
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This is almost like an antique store.
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So, sometimes, I go to antique
stores, but I'll get drained and sick.
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Because sometimes, there are...
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Energies associated with objects.
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There are some objects here that do
have some residual energies to them.
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I feel really weak here.
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I don't feel very good.
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I don't feel good.
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Okay, Mark, so what did you
bring me down the basement for?
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I was sweeping the floor
down here and fairly
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decent-sized bolt hit me
in the center of the back.
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- You were down here alone?
- I was down here alone.
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What about windows somebody
have chucked something at you?
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No, the windows are shut.
Yeah, you can't open them.
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Okay. Have you experienced
anything else down here?
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Yeah. Yeah, I'll see
shadows down here a lot.
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What kind of shadows?
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They're like a solid
black mass or something.
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You'll catch them out
of the corner of the eye.
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You'll be standing there
and you'll see something...
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- Phoom! You know across the room.
- You're sure it's not a light reflection?
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I'm positive it's not a light reflection
these windows were all covered up.
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It feels sometimes almost
like things hide down here.
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This is bad, bad area.
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Bah.
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There is something very
bad here that's not a human.
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I don't know if it's ever been
human, but it's not human now.
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I'm staring at this black
mass crouching in the basement.
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I'm not sure what it is, but I
can tell it has evil intentions,
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and hates living people in its space.
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And there is, like,
definitely a pathway here.
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But I think it goes possibly
next door or underground.
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It doesn't like me.
It wants me to leave.
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This room is not good, though.
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Mark, why'd you bring me up in here?
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This is one of the areas
we hear a lot of the noises.
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What kind of sounds
are we talking about?
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Growling, tappings, clicking noises.
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So, are you the only
one hearing these noises?
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Oh, no. My wife does all the time.
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She won't even sleep up here by herself.
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Let me ask you a question, with
all the stuff you got going on,
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the noises, the banging how
are you sleeping at night?
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I'm not.
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- I sleep during the day for the most part.
- Because of what's going on?
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Because of what's going on yeah.
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- Well how the freak do you live like that?
- I can't really.
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That's why I want you
guys to do what you can do.
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[Sighs]
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That thing kind of likes this
area, kind of likes this space.
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[Growling]
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The evil black mass I
encountered in the basement,
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makes its presence felt
all over this house,
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and it especially likes
the upstairs bedrooms.
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It makes lots of, like,
weird growling noises...
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To scare.
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That's kind of how he communicates.
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I don't know what it wants.
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So what else is going on up here?
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This chest right here...
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One day this chest had been moved
and set blocking off the doorway.
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It's a heavy chest, and it was
full of antique guns at the time.
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Wow. It's heavy as hell.
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Yeah.
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- I mean, nobody broke in up here?
- Positive.
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Experience anything else?
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Me and my wife were arguing,
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and there was a small travel-size
bottle of hand lotion sitting
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on the dresser that actually
flew and hit me in the chest.
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While she was arguing with you?
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- Are you sure she didn't fling it at you?
- No she didn't fling it at me.
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It started shaking
before it even took off.
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So what else is going on up here?
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I fell asleep, I was watching TV, and I
had my head propped up on my hand in bed.
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And I'm laying there and all of a
sudden, I wake up when my head jerks.
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Something had smacked
my hand away from my arm.
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Actually left a hand print on my arm.
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And it looked like it might
have been a man's hand.
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You feel like you're
getting picked on here?
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Yeah. I actually do.
It seems not to like me.
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But I'm also the one that
confronts it the most.
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Okay.
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This big gigantic black blob...
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Whether it's touching, objects moving,
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that there is a lot of physical
phenomena that this thing can do...
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Throwing people down stairs...
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Or smacking them.
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It's a pretty, pretty powerful thing.
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Especially when this thing
might be into torturing people.
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[Wind whistling]
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Kim, Mark mentioned that he hears all
types of different noises and sounds.
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What about yourself?
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The things that we notice the
most were, like, tapping noises.
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Sometimes, there are growling noises.
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I've had my name whispered.
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And when you heard your name
whispered, was it a male or a female?
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It was male.
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Also, sometimes you'll
see, like, black mists.
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Okay.
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Is there anything else
happening in this bedroom?
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The bed sometimes will shake.
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Sometimes a lot, I thought
we were having earthquakes.
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I mean, you got trains... you
got heavy trucks going by here.
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Well, let's say a semi
goes by real fast...
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The windows shake, but not the bed.
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Okay.
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Anybody who stays here with us for
any period of time gets touched...
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Like somebody's sitting
in the bed with you,
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you know, like an
indentation in the bed.
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Where it looks like somebody's sitting
there, and you can't see anybody.
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Okay.
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Allan: I see this woman
who lives in this house.
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She's a living person.
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And this dark thing...
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It definitely wants something from her.
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She's seeing this huge
black shadow thing.
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Like, I do feel, like, this weight on
my shoulders, like, being held down...
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In bed by my shoulders...
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[Echoing] Like, maybe shook.
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There are times that I get
really, you know, frightened.
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I mean, I'm not even functional anymore.
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Right. Mark explained that you're actually
staying at your mom's most of the time.
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Mm-hmm.
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Well I would assume this has got
to take a toll on your marriage.
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Yeah, it does. The past two months,
I've been away all but about two weeks.
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- Okay.
- So, lately, we've hardly seen each other.
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What are your feelings like when you
just come into the house, do they change?
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Well, it seems to go in cycles.
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Sometimes there's a lot of
activity, and sometimes there's not.
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Okay.
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But when I come in the house,
I feel this, like, heaviness.
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Ever since I've been
here, it's like I've just
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been totally drained of
energy... just zapped.
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I say it all the time, I can't
wait to get out of this house.
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This dark thing feels like it's
pushed a lot of illness in...
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Lots of illness.
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Yeah, like it's pushing
this, like, waves.
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It, like... I just see waves coming in.
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This evil black mass travels in and out of
the house through a portal in the basement.
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When it's gone, things get better,
but it's definitely here now.
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There's a wave happening right now.
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It's either depression, like
really, really bad depression,
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or physical illness and bad luck.
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So, it'll be really bad.
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Shaela, I was talking
to your dad earlier,
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and he mentioned that you're
uncomfortable being in the house alone.
242
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- Is that true?
- Mm hmm.
243
00:14:23,804 --> 00:14:25,447
Okay, how long have
you been living here?
244
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I've been living here
about five months now.
245
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Mark's my dad, and we just found
each other when I turned 18.
246
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Okay.
247
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Mark tells me his daughter spent a
lot of time in and out of foster homes,
248
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but even after reuniting with
her father and stepmother,
249
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I got the feeling she's
still not finding any peace.
250
00:14:43,645 --> 00:14:46,478
Now, what's the most frightening
thing in the house for you?
251
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I get this, like, weird vibe
of, like, sadness and anger.
252
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And I've felt, like, fingers
running through my hair,
253
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or, like, something,
like, touching my cheek.
254
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It just absolutely just mortifies me.
255
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What do you mean by that?
256
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[Voice breaking] I had a rough past.
257
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I was abused...
258
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Sexually.
259
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And when I feel these things,
it reminds me of my childhood.
260
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I feel really safe being with my dad.
261
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But the house doesn't make me feel safe.
262
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Like, I'll hear the door handle turn.
263
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And then...
264
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[Crying]
265
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So, that doorknob turning brings you
back to when you were... molested.
266
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[Sniffles]
267
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It's the scariest thing in the world.
268
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The pain that you felt just
plays over and over in your head.
269
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And then your heart starts pounding, and
next thing you know, you're just in tears.
270
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Something paranormal's bringing
back that memory, and it just hurts.
271
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[Wolf howls]
272
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This older woman comes up, and
she is concerned about someone...
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Like, a girl who lives in this house.
274
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And this woman feels like she's a protector
of this person she's talking about.
275
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Like, she's just going on, saying that
the situation is really, really dire.
276
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And that's why she's here.
277
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This older woman is worried about
a young girl that lives here.
278
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She wants to protect her
from the evil black mass
279
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that's terrorizing
everyone in this house.
280
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I feel like it violates her.
281
00:16:50,787 --> 00:16:54,267
Anderson: What do you mean?
282
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Like, kind of sexually.
283
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It's not good.
284
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Di Schiavi: With so much bizarre
activity going on inside Mark's house,
285
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I need to separate the easily
explained from the unexplained.
286
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So I've called in an
animal-control expert,
287
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to see if he can make sense of all
of the strange sounds in the house.
288
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Di Schiavi: My clients
are complaining about
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hearing tapping noises
and stuff like that.
290
00:17:43,241 --> 00:17:45,501
Now, is that something you
get a lot of complaints about?
291
00:17:45,502 --> 00:17:48,752
Yes, we do, and that ends
up turning out to be mice.
292
00:17:48,753 --> 00:17:54,283
So, they're also complaining about hearing
growling, now, what animals would that be?
293
00:17:54,284 --> 00:17:56,185
I have never heard that complaint.
294
00:17:56,186 --> 00:17:58,868
Okay. If you could do me a
favor, give this place a good
295
00:17:58,869 --> 00:18:01,467
once-over so I can at
least rule that out.
296
00:18:01,468 --> 00:18:03,388
Okay.
297
00:18:04,344 --> 00:18:06,532
With over 20 years on
the Police Department,
298
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I know you have to rule
out the obvious first.
299
00:18:14,024 --> 00:18:17,767
Then I can focus on what
physical evidence can't explain.
300
00:18:17,768 --> 00:18:19,969
So did you find anything?
301
00:18:19,970 --> 00:18:22,861
Nothing... everything seems
completely clean to me.
302
00:18:22,862 --> 00:18:26,213
Were you able to find any openings that
maybe animals could come in and out?
303
00:18:26,214 --> 00:18:29,684
No, there's not one sign of any opening.
304
00:18:29,685 --> 00:18:31,669
Okay, thanks for the good
work. I appreciate that.
305
00:18:31,670 --> 00:18:33,770
Mm-hmm.
306
00:18:35,653 --> 00:18:38,988
Mark told me someone was killed
in this house in the '90s.
307
00:18:38,989 --> 00:18:42,224
If anybody knows about this,
it's gonna be the local cops.
308
00:18:42,225 --> 00:18:44,511
I'm heading over to meet
with a retired Detective
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who actually worked Mark's
neighborhood during that time.
310
00:18:47,464 --> 00:18:53,364
He tells me he's got some information
that will definitely help my case.
311
00:18:58,569 --> 00:19:02,693
So, A.J., my client said there was a
possible murder in his house back in
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the '90s, and it sounds like you were
able to verify that, is that right?
313
00:19:05,575 --> 00:19:09,355
Right. Back in December of '96.
314
00:19:10,008 --> 00:19:13,403
This was the victim, Alberto Lopez.
315
00:19:13,404 --> 00:19:15,124
He looks like a young
guy. How old was he?
316
00:19:15,125 --> 00:19:16,757
He was only 25.
317
00:19:16,758 --> 00:19:18,707
So, how'd the homicide go down?
318
00:19:18,708 --> 00:19:22,288
He had a live-in girlfriend
named Lucy Rivera.
319
00:19:22,289 --> 00:19:26,125
She was considerably
older. I believe she was 43.
320
00:19:26,126 --> 00:19:31,259
They got into an altercation, and he
took off running to get away from her.
321
00:19:31,260 --> 00:19:34,900
She had a knife, and she
stabbed him in the back.
322
00:19:34,901 --> 00:19:38,476
It was a fatal blow, and he
died right there on the floor,
323
00:19:38,477 --> 00:19:42,077
right in front of the stove.
324
00:19:46,511 --> 00:19:51,311
Allan: I feel like
there's a younger male...
325
00:19:51,475 --> 00:19:55,325
Here who doesn't want to be bothered.
326
00:19:55,326 --> 00:20:01,226
Like, he doesn't want to be involved
in anything, and he'll lash out.
327
00:20:06,066 --> 00:20:07,730
Do you know when he died?
328
00:20:07,731 --> 00:20:09,988
I would say like...
329
00:20:09,989 --> 00:20:11,913
'80s, '90s.
330
00:20:11,914 --> 00:20:14,945
- Do you get an age on him?
- 25 maybe?
331
00:20:14,946 --> 00:20:17,406
He's creepy.
332
00:20:19,913 --> 00:20:21,654
A.J., what do we know about the victim?
333
00:20:21,655 --> 00:20:23,783
Not much of anything.
334
00:20:23,784 --> 00:20:27,234
Nobody even knew him
from the neighborhood.
335
00:20:27,235 --> 00:20:31,626
No Mexicans stepped forward to
shed any light on who he was,
336
00:20:31,627 --> 00:20:35,345
and nobody even claimed the body.
337
00:20:35,346 --> 00:20:38,148
Now, I'm assuming she gets collared
for this, she gets arrested, right?
338
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:43,425
She gets arrested. In fact, there's
the article after the incident.
339
00:20:43,426 --> 00:20:47,134
She ends up taking a charge
of aggravated battery.
340
00:20:47,135 --> 00:20:50,915
And took a plea, got 10 years.
341
00:20:50,987 --> 00:20:52,928
And she served 8 of them.
342
00:20:52,929 --> 00:20:54,863
Now, what's her story?
343
00:20:54,864 --> 00:20:57,615
She was claiming domestic abuse.
344
00:20:57,616 --> 00:20:59,998
There as an incident at a local bar...
345
00:20:59,999 --> 00:21:02,782
That she had told people that...
346
00:21:02,783 --> 00:21:06,499
"The next time he hits me,
that's it I'm gonna kill him".
347
00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:10,100
She was at a breaking point.
348
00:21:12,557 --> 00:21:15,577
He doesn't like the people here.
349
00:21:15,578 --> 00:21:18,482
People are not leaving him alone.
350
00:21:18,483 --> 00:21:20,703
So, he...
351
00:21:20,901 --> 00:21:24,141
Is distraught over this.
352
00:21:24,451 --> 00:21:27,871
People are bothering him...
353
00:21:27,985 --> 00:21:29,515
Dead and living.
354
00:21:29,516 --> 00:21:30,646
[Growling]
355
00:21:30,647 --> 00:21:34,918
I'm not sure, but I do
feel like he killed himself.
356
00:21:34,919 --> 00:21:40,439
He has so much anxiety, so
much stress, so much anger.
357
00:21:40,527 --> 00:21:42,747
[Growling]
358
00:21:54,118 --> 00:21:58,421
Di Schiavi: I'm at the library
to see what else I can uncover.
359
00:21:58,422 --> 00:22:02,058
Digging through the archives, I
find a family by the name of Olds,
360
00:22:02,059 --> 00:22:07,329
who used to own my clients' property as
a business investment in the late 1800s.
361
00:22:07,330 --> 00:22:09,193
Turns out they were one of the most
362
00:22:09,194 --> 00:22:12,002
influential families
in Fort Wayne's history.
363
00:22:12,003 --> 00:22:17,903
But a local genealogist tells me
they also had their share of misery.
364
00:22:23,608 --> 00:22:25,985
John, when I did my research,
I came across the Olds family.
365
00:22:25,986 --> 00:22:27,669
It looked like they
were pretty prominent,
366
00:22:27,670 --> 00:22:29,956
and they owned the property
I'm actually investigating.
367
00:22:29,957 --> 00:22:31,240
What can you tell me about them?
368
00:22:31,241 --> 00:22:34,057
They were one of the top families
in Fort Wayne in the 1800s.
369
00:22:34,058 --> 00:22:39,474
This is Henry G. Olds. He
inherited the property back in 1876.
370
00:22:39,475 --> 00:22:42,866
He was a very prominent man that
had a lot of mercantile interests.
371
00:22:42,867 --> 00:22:44,324
When did Henry die?
372
00:22:44,325 --> 00:22:47,672
He died in 1902. He was 62 years old.
373
00:22:47,673 --> 00:22:49,722
He had a series of strokes.
374
00:22:49,723 --> 00:22:52,141
Each one left him more
and more of an invalid.
375
00:22:52,142 --> 00:22:54,663
He was eventually
confined to a wheelchair.
376
00:22:54,664 --> 00:22:57,534
And then he finally died at his house,
377
00:22:57,535 --> 00:23:00,550
leaving a widow and several sons
who took over his businesses.
378
00:23:00,551 --> 00:23:03,152
Okay, so, now who inherits the
property that I'm investigating?
379
00:23:03,153 --> 00:23:07,624
His widow, Caroline... we see here
on the left, inherits the property.
380
00:23:07,625 --> 00:23:09,919
So, what happens to
Caroline after he dies?
381
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,330
Well, there was a series of lawsuits
that really harmed the family.
382
00:23:13,331 --> 00:23:14,449
Well, why is that?
383
00:23:14,450 --> 00:23:17,756
Well, they had a wagon
factory, and in 1902,
384
00:23:17,757 --> 00:23:21,504
just months after Henry died, one
of the workers fell and was killed.
385
00:23:21,505 --> 00:23:23,272
It was not a safe place.
386
00:23:23,273 --> 00:23:27,934
People were really unprotected, and there
was no one to oversee any kind of safety.
387
00:23:27,935 --> 00:23:30,855
And so the widow sued
the company for $10,000.
388
00:23:30,856 --> 00:23:32,317
That was a lot of money back then.
389
00:23:32,318 --> 00:23:36,611
A lot of money, yes, and that certainly
took a big chunk out of their wealth.
390
00:23:36,612 --> 00:23:39,686
The coal company also got hit
with a big lawsuit in 1913.
391
00:23:39,687 --> 00:23:42,582
A man was killed when some coal
was being unloaded from a train.
392
00:23:42,583 --> 00:23:44,861
And then there was a fire in 1920.
393
00:23:44,862 --> 00:23:46,633
The glove factory that they owned that,
394
00:23:46,634 --> 00:23:48,916
conjoined the coal company
burned to the ground.
395
00:23:48,917 --> 00:23:52,902
Okay, so they wind up losing a
lot between lawsuits and accidents.
396
00:23:52,903 --> 00:23:54,763
Yes.
397
00:23:55,673 --> 00:24:00,933
Allan: I'm just seeing, like, these
two dead old men talking a lot.
398
00:24:00,934 --> 00:24:03,835
They weren't paid well.
399
00:24:03,836 --> 00:24:07,256
They had no rights. And...
400
00:24:08,048 --> 00:24:09,948
They're pissed. They're
just [Bleep] pissed.
401
00:24:09,949 --> 00:24:11,973
They're mad about
their living conditions.
402
00:24:11,974 --> 00:24:15,874
They're mad about how they died.
403
00:24:16,694 --> 00:24:18,529
But I do feel like
they worked underground,
404
00:24:18,530 --> 00:24:21,464
like they were miners or
something of that nature.
405
00:24:21,465 --> 00:24:23,733
And the one said, I
died with my boots on.
406
00:24:23,734 --> 00:24:26,854
All I see is Earth...
407
00:24:27,287 --> 00:24:30,167
Rushing in on him.
408
00:24:30,708 --> 00:24:33,009
So, now what happens to the sons?
409
00:24:33,010 --> 00:24:37,647
One of the sons, Noble, died
in 1918 at a young age of 48.
410
00:24:37,648 --> 00:24:40,607
Then two years later,
the other son, Eugene,
411
00:24:40,608 --> 00:24:43,720
died of a massive heart attack
inside their house here in Fort Wayne.
412
00:24:43,721 --> 00:24:46,087
- And how old was he?
- 47.
413
00:24:46,088 --> 00:24:48,834
So she lost both her
sons within two years?
414
00:24:48,835 --> 00:24:50,169
Terrible blow for her.
415
00:24:50,170 --> 00:24:52,228
Okay, so, now what winds
up happening to her?
416
00:24:52,229 --> 00:24:54,130
Well, she sells the mansion,
417
00:24:54,131 --> 00:24:58,702
and then ends up in a workers' cottage
with her daughter in basic poverty.
418
00:24:58,703 --> 00:25:01,942
And that's the big irony of this whole
thing, because here is a lady who lived
419
00:25:01,943 --> 00:25:04,946
in a mansion in Fort Wayne, and then
ends up spending her life living in the
420
00:25:04,947 --> 00:25:07,470
very kind of cottages
that the workers lived in,
421
00:25:07,471 --> 00:25:09,450
just like her own workers
in her own factory.
422
00:25:09,451 --> 00:25:11,614
Okay, so she's close to the
property I'm investigating?
423
00:25:11,615 --> 00:25:13,830
It was a few houses down
from where the house is now,
424
00:25:13,831 --> 00:25:18,511
but at that time, it
was all one property.
425
00:25:26,305 --> 00:25:30,593
Allan: During my walk, I
encountered several entities.
426
00:25:30,594 --> 00:25:35,324
So, I had a sketch artist
draw the most prominent two.
427
00:25:35,325 --> 00:25:38,808
First, the dark figure
I saw in the basement.
428
00:25:38,809 --> 00:25:41,644
Is he looking at you?
429
00:25:41,645 --> 00:25:42,712
Yes.
430
00:25:42,713 --> 00:25:44,518
A very solid black.
431
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:46,850
He is like this.
432
00:25:46,851 --> 00:25:48,252
- Okay.
- Mm hmm.
433
00:25:48,253 --> 00:25:51,441
Next, I describe the
distraught young man.
434
00:25:51,442 --> 00:25:54,742
He has short brown hair.
435
00:25:54,945 --> 00:25:57,908
Like here... he's got shadowing
here and then shadowing here.
436
00:25:57,909 --> 00:26:01,089
That's all I remember.
437
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,391
Is that what you saw?
438
00:26:04,392 --> 00:26:06,252
Yes.
439
00:26:28,891 --> 00:26:32,371
Di Schiavi: Now that Amy and I
have completed our investigations.
440
00:26:32,372 --> 00:26:36,999
We're ready to reveal our findings to each
other and our clients for the first time.
441
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,285
Amy, I'd like you to meet the family
that actually lives in this house.
442
00:26:40,286 --> 00:26:45,534
This is Mark, this is his wife, Kim,
and this is his daughter, Shaela.
443
00:26:45,535 --> 00:26:47,961
Activity has gotten pretty
bad in the house here.
444
00:26:47,962 --> 00:26:50,538
Shaela doesn't sleep at all at night.
445
00:26:50,539 --> 00:26:52,584
Kim actually goes to
her mom's house to sleep.
446
00:26:52,585 --> 00:26:54,750
That's how frightened she is.
447
00:26:54,751 --> 00:26:56,020
[Sighs]
448
00:26:56,021 --> 00:26:59,277
They want to know if they can live
here normally and as a family together.
449
00:26:59,278 --> 00:27:03,515
So, they feel we're their last hope,
and that's why they called us in.
450
00:27:03,516 --> 00:27:06,462
So, with that, I'm gonna turn
the conversation over to Amy,
451
00:27:06,463 --> 00:27:09,763
and hear about her walk.
452
00:27:11,699 --> 00:27:15,531
So, when I walked in,
I got the same feeling
453
00:27:15,532 --> 00:27:18,584
I get when I walk into an antique store.
454
00:27:18,585 --> 00:27:22,493
And I felt that there were, in
fact, objects at this location
455
00:27:22,494 --> 00:27:26,952
that held some kind of residual
energy that could be draining.
456
00:27:26,953 --> 00:27:31,720
You know, we've been to dozens
of locations that have antiques,
457
00:27:31,721 --> 00:27:35,901
and this is the first case
where it was distracting.
458
00:27:35,902 --> 00:27:37,983
Actually, Mark here can help you out.
459
00:27:37,984 --> 00:27:39,906
Why don't you tell Amy
what you do for a living?
460
00:27:39,907 --> 00:27:43,021
I deal in pre-1898 firearms.
461
00:27:43,022 --> 00:27:43,932
Wow.
462
00:27:43,933 --> 00:27:46,320
And he's got quite a few.
I've seen the collection.
463
00:27:46,321 --> 00:27:48,797
About 30, I think, right now.
464
00:27:48,798 --> 00:27:50,962
I have one that was
from the Indian Wars.
465
00:27:50,963 --> 00:27:52,998
Wow. Probably 1870s.
466
00:27:52,999 --> 00:27:56,459
And I have a Confederate pinfire
pistol, which I'm sure was used.
467
00:27:56,460 --> 00:27:58,355
And they're in the house?
468
00:27:58,356 --> 00:27:59,471
Yeah.
469
00:27:59,472 --> 00:28:01,973
Okay, very interesting. All right.
470
00:28:01,974 --> 00:28:05,421
That might have been
why it's so draining,
471
00:28:05,422 --> 00:28:08,585
and if anybody is, you
know, kind of sensitive...
472
00:28:08,586 --> 00:28:11,454
They could feel the draining.
473
00:28:11,455 --> 00:28:14,818
That's me. I mean, I have just
no energy since I've been here.
474
00:28:14,819 --> 00:28:17,060
It's just gone downhill,
you know, to where...
475
00:28:17,061 --> 00:28:20,901
Yeah, I'm barely functional now.
476
00:28:23,129 --> 00:28:25,897
Di Schiavi: What else did you see?
477
00:28:25,898 --> 00:28:28,874
Allan: In the garage, I met a male.
478
00:28:28,875 --> 00:28:31,941
Probably between 18 and 25 years old.
479
00:28:31,942 --> 00:28:36,253
He, frankly, doesn't want to be
bothered with the living or the dead.
480
00:28:36,254 --> 00:28:39,421
And he feels like his space,
which he has made out there,
481
00:28:39,422 --> 00:28:42,442
is being violated by
the living and the dead.
482
00:28:42,443 --> 00:28:47,181
So he feels a lot of
anxiety, stress, and anger.
483
00:28:47,182 --> 00:28:49,721
I believe he killed himself.
484
00:28:49,722 --> 00:28:53,742
And this was in the '80s or '90s.
485
00:28:56,307 --> 00:29:00,636
There was only one death in this house back
in the time frame you're talking about,
486
00:29:00,637 --> 00:29:02,200
but it wasn't a suicide.
487
00:29:02,201 --> 00:29:03,603
Oh, really?
488
00:29:03,604 --> 00:29:08,034
A guy by the name of Alberto Lopez lived
in this house with his girlfriend...
489
00:29:08,035 --> 00:29:09,240
Lucy Rivera.
490
00:29:09,241 --> 00:29:15,141
He was 25 years old, she was 43, and
they had a very volatile relationship.
491
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:17,884
This is him.
492
00:29:17,885 --> 00:29:20,045
Oh, wow.
493
00:29:23,122 --> 00:29:27,996
Now, I have an article
here about the girlfriend.
494
00:29:27,997 --> 00:29:33,786
Back in 1996, he winds up getting into an
altercation with his female partner here.
495
00:29:33,787 --> 00:29:39,687
She stabs him one time in the back, and
he winds up dying upstairs in the kitchen.
496
00:29:39,855 --> 00:29:42,407
You said this guy was
dealing with a lot of anger.
497
00:29:42,408 --> 00:29:43,640
Yeah.
498
00:29:43,641 --> 00:29:49,161
The girlfriend was claiming
that he repeatedly beat her.
499
00:29:50,917 --> 00:29:53,600
So, do you think this is
the guy you might have seen?
500
00:29:53,601 --> 00:29:57,921
I did a sketch. You guys can tell me.
501
00:30:02,862 --> 00:30:08,082
- Oh, my God!
- Yeah, it looks pretty close to me.
502
00:30:09,402 --> 00:30:13,662
Kim: I'm just amazed at the likeness.
503
00:30:13,744 --> 00:30:16,411
Di Schiavi: At first look, I
wasn't so sure about Amy's sketch.
504
00:30:16,412 --> 00:30:22,113
But you put a mustache on him,
and it's a pretty close match.
505
00:30:22,114 --> 00:30:25,946
I felt like he killed himself
because he wanted to be alone.
506
00:30:25,947 --> 00:30:29,771
Allan: This man was so depressed,
I assumed he'd killed himself.
507
00:30:29,772 --> 00:30:31,903
I'm not sure how he actually died,
508
00:30:31,904 --> 00:30:37,116
but one thing I am sure about,
he's still inside that garage.
509
00:30:37,117 --> 00:30:39,295
Di Schiavi: So, what else is going on?
510
00:30:39,296 --> 00:30:42,602
When I came down to the basement...
511
00:30:42,603 --> 00:30:46,481
I encountered two old, angry men.
512
00:30:46,482 --> 00:30:50,275
They're angry because they felt
like they didn't have any rights.
513
00:30:50,276 --> 00:30:53,469
They were paid really terribly.
514
00:30:53,470 --> 00:30:59,370
They were extremely poor and felt
that the conditions were not good.
515
00:30:59,686 --> 00:31:02,168
And they're very pissed
off about how they died,
516
00:31:02,169 --> 00:31:07,209
which seemed to be in
some kind of an accident.
517
00:31:07,293 --> 00:31:10,413
That's interesting, but the
only thing I can think of,
518
00:31:10,414 --> 00:31:13,652
during my research that
may come even close...
519
00:31:13,653 --> 00:31:17,039
Is the people that owned this
property before it was developed...
520
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,829
A family called the Olds family.
521
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:22,944
Very prominent in Fort
Wayne, lot of money.
522
00:31:22,945 --> 00:31:27,777
Now, they owned factories here, and their
workers lived in houses on this property.
523
00:31:27,778 --> 00:31:31,287
The way they mistreated
their employees...
524
00:31:31,288 --> 00:31:33,805
Wound up being the demise of them.
525
00:31:33,806 --> 00:31:38,342
And they bought this area as an
investment property, they didn't live here.
526
00:31:38,343 --> 00:31:41,876
Here's a picture of Henry Olds.
527
00:31:41,877 --> 00:31:44,814
Henry Olds winds up
having a stroke in 1896.
528
00:31:44,815 --> 00:31:49,871
And another five strokes
up until 1902, when he dies.
529
00:31:49,872 --> 00:31:53,860
When he died, his widow
Caroline wound up taking over.
530
00:31:53,861 --> 00:31:59,761
This is actually Caroline right here
on the left, and that's her daughter.
531
00:32:00,158 --> 00:32:03,096
When Henry died, Caroline got
hit with a few lawsuits from
532
00:32:03,097 --> 00:32:07,090
the families of mistreated
workers, and she lost everything.
533
00:32:07,091 --> 00:32:12,624
So, Caroline wound up living on this
property like a pauper with her daughter.
534
00:32:12,625 --> 00:32:13,925
Was it in this house?
535
00:32:13,926 --> 00:32:17,228
No, in a small house that
was built for workers...
536
00:32:17,229 --> 00:32:20,670
All because of
mistreatment of employees,
537
00:32:20,671 --> 00:32:26,571
by their family and the lawsuits
that were brought against them.
538
00:32:27,943 --> 00:32:29,590
What else did you see on your walk?
539
00:32:29,591 --> 00:32:32,797
I saw, down here in the basement...
540
00:32:32,798 --> 00:32:35,261
This funky, nasty thing.
541
00:32:35,262 --> 00:32:38,139
I'm not sure if it's ever been human.
542
00:32:38,140 --> 00:32:42,520
It's rather large, very powerful, and...
543
00:32:42,735 --> 00:32:44,284
Negative.
544
00:32:44,285 --> 00:32:48,560
Sometimes, I could see it as
a dark blob or like an animal.
545
00:32:48,561 --> 00:32:52,594
And it didn't want me
here. It wanted me to leave.
546
00:32:52,595 --> 00:32:55,801
I've seen a black blob upstairs.
547
00:32:55,802 --> 00:32:59,727
And I looked at it for a second, and all
of a sudden, it was like it was alive.
548
00:32:59,728 --> 00:33:01,303
- It just took off.
- Mm hmm.
549
00:33:01,304 --> 00:33:03,947
I've seen stuff like that too,
it's just kind of like in the corner
550
00:33:03,948 --> 00:33:06,695
of your eye and you go to turn
and it's not there anymore.
551
00:33:06,696 --> 00:33:07,678
Uh-huh.
552
00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:11,582
So I had a sketch artist
sketch the scene I saw,
553
00:33:11,583 --> 00:33:17,483
of the thing crouching in the
corner, down here in the basement.
554
00:33:22,829 --> 00:33:24,629
Oh.
555
00:33:24,988 --> 00:33:27,165
I usually don't get creeped out by much.
556
00:33:27,166 --> 00:33:29,868
This creeps me out.
557
00:33:29,869 --> 00:33:31,770
Oh, my God.
558
00:33:31,771 --> 00:33:33,931
Oh, wow.
559
00:33:36,511 --> 00:33:39,451
I'm just horrified.
560
00:33:39,873 --> 00:33:42,443
I just don't know what to make of that.
561
00:33:42,444 --> 00:33:45,536
It travels between this
house and the house next door.
562
00:33:45,537 --> 00:33:47,041
And it goes underground.
563
00:33:47,042 --> 00:33:50,548
When it's away, things are fine here.
564
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:56,440
When it comes back, it brings very
bad waves of depression and illness.
565
00:33:56,441 --> 00:33:59,242
For me, the depression comes and goes.
566
00:33:59,243 --> 00:34:05,143
I just get sick. I mean, I literally feel
sick, like I'm off-center all the time.
567
00:34:06,764 --> 00:34:09,576
Shaela: One day, I'll be,
like, totally, you know,
568
00:34:09,577 --> 00:34:12,061
happy, myself, singing and
dancing around the house,
569
00:34:12,062 --> 00:34:15,199
and then I'll wake up one
day and I'm angry, depressed.
570
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,618
I'm just mad at the world for no reason.
571
00:34:17,619 --> 00:34:19,641
Interesting.
572
00:34:19,642 --> 00:34:22,877
It likes the basement and the upstairs.
573
00:34:22,878 --> 00:34:25,777
It growls to scare the living.
574
00:34:25,778 --> 00:34:27,871
- Really?
- Mm hmm.
575
00:34:27,872 --> 00:34:32,063
They've been complaining about
hearing sounds and growling.
576
00:34:32,064 --> 00:34:33,126
Wow. Okay.
577
00:34:33,127 --> 00:34:37,000
So I did have a guy come in, a pest-control
guy, and check the whole house out,
578
00:34:37,001 --> 00:34:39,746
and found no evidence of any...
579
00:34:39,747 --> 00:34:42,707
Rodents or animal life in the house.
580
00:34:42,708 --> 00:34:44,568
Wow.
581
00:34:45,555 --> 00:34:49,704
It can get physical and
touch people or move objects.
582
00:34:49,705 --> 00:34:52,849
Frankly, I'm surprised that
it hasn't become more violent,
583
00:34:52,850 --> 00:34:58,104
like maybe throwing people down the stairs
or smacking them or things of that nature.
584
00:34:58,105 --> 00:35:03,939
Well, you pretty much just described
exactly what they're all going through.
585
00:35:03,940 --> 00:35:07,224
Mark: I was sweeping up down
here, and next thing I know,
586
00:35:07,225 --> 00:35:10,757
this bolt drills me in
the center of the back.
587
00:35:10,758 --> 00:35:12,775
And it hit me hard enough
to have left a Mark.
588
00:35:12,776 --> 00:35:18,676
This thing is really what's causing,
you know, havoc within the house.
589
00:35:18,982 --> 00:35:22,703
I saw it holding someone
down in the bed up there.
590
00:35:22,704 --> 00:35:25,623
I saw it shaking the bed.
591
00:35:25,624 --> 00:35:30,069
Shaela: It just really scares me, because
[Sniffles] I don't want it to, like,
592
00:35:30,070 --> 00:35:33,362
hold me down or anything when I'm
trying to sleep and... [sniffles]
593
00:35:33,363 --> 00:35:37,683
I don't want it to get more physical.
594
00:35:42,048 --> 00:35:45,761
There was a woman that I met.
She's probably in her 50s.
595
00:35:45,762 --> 00:35:50,408
And she's very concerned about
a girl who lives in this house.
596
00:35:50,409 --> 00:35:54,794
She's afraid that this
girl is being violated.
597
00:35:54,795 --> 00:35:58,982
And that she's afraid that she might
be getting sexually assaulted...
598
00:35:58,983 --> 00:36:00,865
By the entity.
599
00:36:00,866 --> 00:36:03,026
Oh, God.
600
00:36:23,406 --> 00:36:26,349
Allan: There was a woman that I
met. She's probably in her 50s.
601
00:36:26,350 --> 00:36:31,342
And she's very concerned about
a girl who lives in this house.
602
00:36:31,343 --> 00:36:34,831
She afraid that this
girl is being violated.
603
00:36:34,832 --> 00:36:39,879
And that she's afraid that she might
be getting sexually assaulted...
604
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,579
By the entity.
605
00:36:41,580 --> 00:36:43,740
Oh, God.
606
00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:47,860
When I was a kid um...
607
00:36:48,788 --> 00:36:54,311
I was sexually assaulted repeatedly
for about six or seven years.
608
00:36:54,312 --> 00:36:55,946
Oh, my gosh.
609
00:36:55,947 --> 00:36:59,487
I moved in five months ago.
610
00:37:00,136 --> 00:37:03,511
Now that I'm here, I finally have a dad.
611
00:37:03,512 --> 00:37:09,092
I feel safe that no person's
gonna assault me sexually.
612
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,071
I don't have that fear anymore.
613
00:37:11,072 --> 00:37:14,333
But I hear things in the house that...
614
00:37:14,334 --> 00:37:18,138
You know, twist a doorknob. Like, it will
get me flashbacks of my childhood and...
615
00:37:18,139 --> 00:37:21,872
I'm trying to get over
that fear, and I can't.
616
00:37:21,873 --> 00:37:24,753
[Chuckles, sniffles]
617
00:37:25,764 --> 00:37:30,829
I don't want, like, something
paranormal violating me.
618
00:37:30,830 --> 00:37:34,469
This thing, you know, definitely...
619
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:37,530
Wants to invoke fear.
620
00:37:37,625 --> 00:37:43,445
I believe it wants to basically
torment and torture females.
621
00:37:44,008 --> 00:37:48,132
Like, right now it's just like,
you know, I'll turn that doorknob.
622
00:37:48,133 --> 00:37:51,905
Because it knows that's
going to bother you.
623
00:37:51,906 --> 00:37:55,935
And this might be why
this woman is here now...
624
00:37:55,936 --> 00:38:01,815
Is to try to help protect and try to
comfort and keep watch over the situation.
625
00:38:01,816 --> 00:38:05,180
Di Schiavi: Do me a favor, though.
Describe the finger going through the hair.
626
00:38:05,181 --> 00:38:07,660
- Yeah.
- Explain that to Amy the best you can.
627
00:38:07,661 --> 00:38:13,447
It just feels like someone, like, just
kind of, like, caressing, just slowly.
628
00:38:13,448 --> 00:38:17,703
And then it kind of goes behind, like
someone tucking your hair behind the ear.
629
00:38:17,704 --> 00:38:21,346
Sometimes it's lovingly,
like, kind of motherly like,
630
00:38:21,347 --> 00:38:23,822
but in a way, like,
it still frightens me.
631
00:38:23,823 --> 00:38:28,784
- Could it be this woman that showed up?
- Could be, yes.
632
00:38:28,785 --> 00:38:30,332
But I'm not sure who she is,
633
00:38:30,333 --> 00:38:34,358
but you do have a female here
who's looking out for you.
634
00:38:34,359 --> 00:38:37,316
Now, this thing... is there any
way of knowing how it got here?
635
00:38:37,317 --> 00:38:40,453
I'm not 100% certain at this point.
636
00:38:40,454 --> 00:38:43,990
Because he kind of shut himself down,
637
00:38:43,991 --> 00:38:47,573
as soon as he understood I was
getting information from him.
638
00:38:47,574 --> 00:38:50,083
It could be family lineage.
639
00:38:50,084 --> 00:38:52,987
It could be that
somebody brought him here.
640
00:38:52,988 --> 00:38:57,881
I'm trying to, like, piece it together.
Like, how did this thing end up here?
641
00:38:57,882 --> 00:39:00,089
Is it possible that I brought him in?
642
00:39:00,090 --> 00:39:04,396
Because I've brought in guns
from the, you know, 1600s, 1500s.
643
00:39:04,397 --> 00:39:09,437
Unfortunately, at this
point, anything's possible.
644
00:39:11,333 --> 00:39:13,505
Well, it's been a tough night.
645
00:39:13,506 --> 00:39:15,550
But at least now you know
what you're up against.
646
00:39:15,551 --> 00:39:19,391
The question is, can you guys
live here together as a family?
647
00:39:19,392 --> 00:39:21,114
With that, I'm gonna
turn that over to Amy,
648
00:39:21,115 --> 00:39:26,035
and, hopefully, she'll
have an answer for you.
649
00:39:26,786 --> 00:39:28,920
Dealing with the negative entity...
650
00:39:28,921 --> 00:39:31,774
Now, this is gonna get interesting.
651
00:39:31,775 --> 00:39:37,675
I think that it would be a wonderful
idea to get a warlock in here.
652
00:39:37,949 --> 00:39:40,265
Now, that's a male witch.
653
00:39:40,266 --> 00:39:44,202
This needs to be a male
witch who's very masculine.
654
00:39:44,203 --> 00:39:48,169
The first thing that this individual
would do is a banishment ritual
655
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:54,070
to rid him and send him to where
he belongs, which I believe is hell.
656
00:39:55,060 --> 00:39:58,109
So why does it have to be a
masculine male witch or warlock?
657
00:39:58,110 --> 00:40:00,552
Because this...
658
00:40:00,553 --> 00:40:03,973
Entity is intimidated by...
659
00:40:04,485 --> 00:40:07,559
Males who are masculine.
660
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,662
And I think it's intimidated by you.
661
00:40:10,663 --> 00:40:15,848
That's why he picks on
women, because he's a coward.
662
00:40:15,849 --> 00:40:18,606
So is this thing a Demon?
663
00:40:18,607 --> 00:40:20,467
Yes.
664
00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:24,247
Shaela, how are you
feeling about all this?
665
00:40:24,248 --> 00:40:26,090
It's just um...
666
00:40:26,091 --> 00:40:29,568
Just a little... kind of
just overwhelmed, I guess.
667
00:40:29,569 --> 00:40:31,055
What about this guy in the garage?
668
00:40:31,056 --> 00:40:34,856
My one suggestion is
to have a very short.
669
00:40:34,857 --> 00:40:38,385
To-the-point
conversation with him.
670
00:40:38,386 --> 00:40:43,135
Let him know that you know who
he is, you know that he's there.
671
00:40:43,136 --> 00:40:47,851
You know what he wants, and that
you're basically fine with that
672
00:40:47,852 --> 00:40:52,504
and to give him the time and space
for him to work his issues out.
673
00:40:52,505 --> 00:40:56,905
As long as he doesn't
bother you or your family.
674
00:40:56,906 --> 00:40:58,510
What about the antique guns?
675
00:40:58,511 --> 00:41:01,245
You need to cleanse the antiques.
676
00:41:01,246 --> 00:41:02,645
Okay.
677
00:41:02,646 --> 00:41:06,084
And the way that I would do this
is just a real basic cleansing...
678
00:41:06,085 --> 00:41:10,833
Is to have some holy water, get it on
the rag, dry out the rag really well.
679
00:41:10,834 --> 00:41:14,140
And just, you know, rub down
the items and just ask God,
680
00:41:14,141 --> 00:41:17,662
to remove the negative energy
and/or person from the item.
681
00:41:17,663 --> 00:41:21,110
So, by doing that with the
old stuff he's got and...
682
00:41:21,111 --> 00:41:23,812
Wiping it down, would
that get that tired...
683
00:41:23,813 --> 00:41:29,033
Yes. That'll help a bit
with the draining feeling.
684
00:41:29,528 --> 00:41:31,842
Now, I want youse all to look
me in the eye and promise me
685
00:41:31,843 --> 00:41:34,590
you're gonna listen to Amy's
advice and do what she tells you.
686
00:41:34,591 --> 00:41:37,445
- Yep. 100%.
- Okay.
687
00:41:37,446 --> 00:41:40,218
You have my word on it. Otherwise,
I wouldn't have called you.
688
00:41:40,219 --> 00:41:41,219
Okay.
689
00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:42,746
- Shaela?
- Shaela: Yeah, totally.
690
00:41:42,747 --> 00:41:44,789
I definitely want to get
rid of what's in the house.
691
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:46,710
Okay.
692
00:41:46,729 --> 00:41:50,028
Allan: There are several dead
people on Mark's property.
693
00:41:50,029 --> 00:41:53,710
But the evil black mass
poses the greatest threat.
694
00:41:53,711 --> 00:41:56,493
I'm worried that if they
don't deal with it immediately,
695
00:41:56,494 --> 00:42:00,628
their suffering could continue,
and they might never find peace.
696
00:42:00,629 --> 00:42:06,529
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