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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,720 Subs created by: David Coleman. 2 00:00:05,437 --> 00:00:08,103 Narrator: Tonight on "Dead Files Revisited"... 3 00:00:08,104 --> 00:00:10,138 He said that he'd kill me if I came here. 4 00:00:10,139 --> 00:00:14,843 Narrator:... a second look at some of Amy and Steve's most terrifying cases. 5 00:00:14,844 --> 00:00:16,757 You've got a lot of activity here. 6 00:00:16,758 --> 00:00:17,913 New information... 7 00:00:17,914 --> 00:00:19,948 Ashley's been too afraid to come back. 8 00:00:19,949 --> 00:00:21,650 Narrator:... startling revelations... 9 00:00:21,651 --> 00:00:24,087 I still feel like I'm being watched. 10 00:00:24,088 --> 00:00:27,552 Narrator: First, a return to Belvidere, Illinois... 11 00:00:27,553 --> 00:00:30,088 Very concerned for the welfare of my son. 12 00:00:30,089 --> 00:00:31,793 Where fighting evil... 13 00:00:31,794 --> 00:00:34,733 It'll torment the people who are living here. 14 00:00:34,734 --> 00:00:36,553 Narrator:... means breaking the rules. 15 00:00:36,554 --> 00:00:38,671 I'll set it up. 16 00:00:38,672 --> 00:00:41,637 Then, we travel back to Clinton, North Carolina... 17 00:00:41,638 --> 00:00:43,879 House of death. 18 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,611 Narrator:... where the sins of the past... 19 00:00:45,612 --> 00:00:47,929 There's dead bodies all over the place. 20 00:00:47,930 --> 00:00:50,045 Narrator:... continue to curse the living. 21 00:00:50,046 --> 00:00:52,021 This is a lot of pressure for you. 22 00:00:52,022 --> 00:00:53,649 Did they fight back... 23 00:00:53,650 --> 00:00:55,878 So you're gonna take Amy's advice and do this? 24 00:00:55,879 --> 00:00:58,125 Or do they still live in fear? 25 00:00:58,126 --> 00:01:03,046 Frankie: I've never gone back there by myself. 26 00:01:03,259 --> 00:01:05,704 They're being watched. 27 00:01:05,705 --> 00:01:08,825 My name is Amy Allan. 28 00:01:08,875 --> 00:01:11,077 This thing likes death. 29 00:01:11,078 --> 00:01:12,577 I see dead people. 30 00:01:12,578 --> 00:01:14,219 This thing's, like, a monster. 31 00:01:14,220 --> 00:01:16,482 I speak to dead people. 32 00:01:16,483 --> 00:01:18,017 And he's pissed off now. 33 00:01:18,018 --> 00:01:19,442 And they speak to me. 34 00:01:19,443 --> 00:01:20,954 His head was cracked. 35 00:01:20,955 --> 00:01:24,612 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 36 00:01:24,613 --> 00:01:25,891 This guy was murdered. 37 00:01:25,892 --> 00:01:27,645 I rely on my partner. 38 00:01:27,646 --> 00:01:30,858 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired New York City homicide Detective. 39 00:01:30,859 --> 00:01:33,393 I cannot help you unless I know the whole story. 40 00:01:33,394 --> 00:01:36,731 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 41 00:01:36,732 --> 00:01:38,165 You saw her? 42 00:01:38,166 --> 00:01:39,448 It's my job to reveal them. 43 00:01:39,449 --> 00:01:40,723 Why would you stay here? 44 00:01:40,724 --> 00:01:42,903 But Steve and I never speak... 45 00:01:42,904 --> 00:01:44,839 We never communicate during an investigation. 46 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,206 Until the very end. 47 00:01:46,207 --> 00:01:48,042 [Echoing] Stop it. 48 00:01:48,043 --> 00:01:49,945 We uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 49 00:01:49,946 --> 00:01:52,513 Woman: I want to know the truth. I want to know what's happening. 50 00:01:52,514 --> 00:01:53,814 Or time to get out. 51 00:01:53,815 --> 00:01:59,155 [Crying] I told you there were ghosts in this house. 52 00:02:11,022 --> 00:02:13,034 Di Schiavi: When I arrived in Belvidere, Illinois, 53 00:02:13,035 --> 00:02:15,377 I was expecting routine investigation. 54 00:02:15,378 --> 00:02:17,678 We were looking into the history of an old farmhouse, 55 00:02:17,679 --> 00:02:21,687 and our client's paranormal experiences ran three generations deep. 56 00:02:21,688 --> 00:02:23,289 But as the truth unraveled, 57 00:02:23,290 --> 00:02:28,794 Amy and I decided that the only way to save this family was to break the rules. 58 00:02:28,795 --> 00:02:32,439 Judy, you sounded really concerned on the phone and upset. 59 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,965 - I mean, what's going on? - Well, we're here at my dad's house. 60 00:02:34,966 --> 00:02:37,584 About 10 years ago, my son and I moved in here, 61 00:02:37,585 --> 00:02:42,009 and ever since, we've heard noises, we've seen apparitions. 62 00:02:42,010 --> 00:02:44,804 And we've been physically touched. 63 00:02:44,805 --> 00:02:47,183 I wanted to get my son out of that situation, 64 00:02:47,184 --> 00:02:50,946 so about three years ago, we moved and it hasn't stopped. 65 00:02:50,947 --> 00:02:54,082 I'm very, very concerned for the welfare of my son. 66 00:02:54,083 --> 00:02:59,688 We were terrified as I sat there and saw my child just scared... 67 00:02:59,689 --> 00:03:03,993 Running into my room... "Mom, did you see it? Is it real?" 68 00:03:03,994 --> 00:03:09,231 You don't know what to do, especially when they're screaming bloody murder. 69 00:03:09,232 --> 00:03:11,500 Well, you're a tough woman. I give you credit. 70 00:03:11,501 --> 00:03:14,021 I had to be. 71 00:03:27,450 --> 00:03:33,250 So, there's, like, some really significant stuff going on here. 72 00:03:33,251 --> 00:03:39,123 While I was opening, there was like this little boy, and he didn't have any eyes. 73 00:03:39,124 --> 00:03:42,867 Looks, like, Angelic, but he's uh... 74 00:03:42,868 --> 00:03:45,208 He's dark. 75 00:03:46,572 --> 00:03:49,425 Before a walk, I do what's called an opening. 76 00:03:49,426 --> 00:03:54,049 This process can give me a preview of what I'm going to see at a location. 77 00:03:54,050 --> 00:03:58,247 But nothing could have prepared me for the demonic energy of that little boy. 78 00:03:58,248 --> 00:04:03,168 What the [Bleep] is burrowing under the ground? 79 00:04:04,456 --> 00:04:07,200 It's like some creepy... 80 00:04:07,201 --> 00:04:09,721 Thing, like... 81 00:04:10,037 --> 00:04:12,366 Anderson: What are you thinking? 82 00:04:12,367 --> 00:04:17,587 I think that the burrowing monster is this child... 83 00:04:18,728 --> 00:04:24,628 And I think that it'll torment the people who are living here. 84 00:04:26,408 --> 00:04:29,038 Di Schiavi: Judy's Father had his own creepy experiences, 85 00:04:29,039 --> 00:04:32,748 but nothing terrifying enough to drive a tough guy like him out of his own home. 86 00:04:32,749 --> 00:04:34,147 Looking back on this case, 87 00:04:34,148 --> 00:04:40,048 he should have listened to his daughter and gotten the hell out of there. 88 00:04:44,483 --> 00:04:46,405 Oh, Franco, I spoke with your daughter. 89 00:04:46,406 --> 00:04:48,875 She told me she was getting physically touched, 90 00:04:48,876 --> 00:04:51,444 pretty much traumatized by everything that happened here. 91 00:04:51,445 --> 00:04:53,911 I was wondering if you ever experienced anything here. 92 00:04:53,912 --> 00:04:56,243 Oh, I sure did. 93 00:04:56,244 --> 00:05:01,810 In the dining room, a figure walked in, and he looked at me. 94 00:05:01,811 --> 00:05:05,815 And like he was surprised, that I was here. 95 00:05:05,816 --> 00:05:09,836 This was a real tall, slender man. 96 00:05:10,171 --> 00:05:14,157 Had this old jacket, almost like a suit jacket. 97 00:05:14,158 --> 00:05:17,835 But again, from way back when. 98 00:05:17,836 --> 00:05:19,696 Wow. 99 00:05:22,287 --> 00:05:24,452 So, I hear this voice. 100 00:05:24,453 --> 00:05:28,636 It's really grumbly, like gravelly, like... 101 00:05:28,637 --> 00:05:31,239 - Hoarse. - Can you describe him more? 102 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,968 He's probably in his, like, late 30s. 103 00:05:33,969 --> 00:05:36,609 Mm, he's thin. 104 00:05:36,913 --> 00:05:39,739 - He's yelling at me. - What is he yelling? 105 00:05:39,740 --> 00:05:42,685 He told me that he'd kill me if I came here. 106 00:05:42,686 --> 00:05:46,517 In my line of work, I get death threats from the dead all the time. 107 00:05:46,518 --> 00:05:51,400 It's risky, but sometimes I just have to call their bluff. 108 00:05:51,401 --> 00:05:54,624 And I said, "oh, yeah? Bring it on". 109 00:05:54,625 --> 00:06:00,117 Now he's small and weak and cowering, and he's crying. 110 00:06:00,118 --> 00:06:03,478 He's like sad, depressed. 111 00:06:05,337 --> 00:06:07,309 Di Schiavi: Judy was the one who called us in, 112 00:06:07,310 --> 00:06:12,401 but her son Frankie was about to become the focus of my investigation. 113 00:06:12,402 --> 00:06:14,683 Hearing his experiences for the first time, 114 00:06:14,684 --> 00:06:17,421 I could tell deep down that this tough-looking teenager, 115 00:06:17,422 --> 00:06:21,082 was really just a scared kid. 116 00:06:26,164 --> 00:06:29,023 Frankie, I was talking to your Mom earlier and uh... 117 00:06:29,024 --> 00:06:31,730 She basically told me you had it rough growing up here. 118 00:06:31,731 --> 00:06:35,459 There was one time I looked up from the porch at that window. 119 00:06:35,460 --> 00:06:38,820 And I seen this figure... 120 00:06:38,915 --> 00:06:41,177 Moving back and forth. 121 00:06:41,178 --> 00:06:44,115 I could see the rope around its neck. 122 00:06:44,116 --> 00:06:47,850 And its head just hanging to the side. 123 00:06:47,851 --> 00:06:50,285 Frankie: When you see something like that, 124 00:06:50,286 --> 00:06:54,906 it definitely sends chills down your spine. 125 00:06:55,397 --> 00:07:00,202 Since I've seen that man in the barn, I've never gone back there by myself. 126 00:07:00,203 --> 00:07:02,905 So, it looked like somebody that was hung. 127 00:07:02,906 --> 00:07:04,826 Yeah. 128 00:07:09,772 --> 00:07:13,732 My head hurts oh so bad up here. 129 00:07:14,374 --> 00:07:18,094 This male... he killed himself. 130 00:07:21,785 --> 00:07:24,545 It happened here. 131 00:07:25,559 --> 00:07:29,279 There's something with a rope. 132 00:07:34,676 --> 00:07:37,343 How old were you when this is all going on? 133 00:07:37,344 --> 00:07:40,066 Around 9, 10 years old. 134 00:07:40,067 --> 00:07:43,920 - How were you sleeping at night? - I wasn't really sleeping good at all. 135 00:07:43,921 --> 00:07:48,076 For a few years straight, I had the same dream... 136 00:07:48,077 --> 00:07:52,017 Of this man standing in the yard, watching me. 137 00:07:52,018 --> 00:07:54,959 Frankie: I was able to tell Steve things that I 138 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,204 haven't told anybody and kept them to myself. 139 00:07:58,205 --> 00:08:02,290 It was a huge relief to be able to tell him everything. 140 00:08:02,291 --> 00:08:03,859 Describe him to me. 141 00:08:03,860 --> 00:08:06,346 Wasn't that tall. Had a mask on. 142 00:08:06,347 --> 00:08:08,630 It was a plain white mask. 143 00:08:08,631 --> 00:08:11,321 Couldn't see his face, nothing. 144 00:08:11,322 --> 00:08:13,242 Okay. 145 00:08:15,948 --> 00:08:19,562 Those things, they're just all over here. 146 00:08:19,563 --> 00:08:23,382 Probably seven feet tall, human-shaped. 147 00:08:23,383 --> 00:08:25,386 Very broad. 148 00:08:25,387 --> 00:08:27,494 Big arms. 149 00:08:27,495 --> 00:08:30,425 They were exchanging masks... 150 00:08:30,426 --> 00:08:32,826 White masks. 151 00:08:32,997 --> 00:08:35,839 Do you think living people have seen these? 152 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,275 Definitely, I think they've like seen them and then like, 153 00:08:38,276 --> 00:08:40,346 had like encounters with them. 154 00:08:40,347 --> 00:08:43,028 And [Bleep] freaked the [Bleep] out. 155 00:08:43,029 --> 00:08:46,134 Because they are very scary. 156 00:08:46,135 --> 00:08:47,603 Narrator: Next... 157 00:08:47,604 --> 00:08:49,137 I hear a gunshot. 158 00:08:49,138 --> 00:08:50,754 Narrator:... death invades the barn. 159 00:08:50,755 --> 00:08:52,685 [Gasps] There's a lot of blood. 160 00:08:52,686 --> 00:08:54,688 Narrator: And in our second investigation... 161 00:08:54,689 --> 00:08:56,712 I don't want to be here by myself. 162 00:08:56,713 --> 00:08:58,612 Narrator:... lives are changed forever. 163 00:08:58,613 --> 00:09:01,984 So I took matters into my own hands. 164 00:09:01,985 --> 00:09:04,805 [Indistinct voices] 165 00:09:06,230 --> 00:09:09,050 [Indistinct voices] 166 00:09:13,915 --> 00:09:18,118 Di Schiavi: Digging into the history of the home, I got a hit on something big. 167 00:09:18,119 --> 00:09:20,620 Two brothers committed suicide on the property. 168 00:09:20,621 --> 00:09:22,870 The newspaper details were slim, 169 00:09:22,871 --> 00:09:25,808 but now there was some merit to what Frankie said he saw. 170 00:09:25,809 --> 00:09:31,709 But in order to get the full story, I had to reach out to one of my own. 171 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,337 What were you able to find out about these suicides? 172 00:09:37,338 --> 00:09:42,738 Back in 1939, Thomas Smith, a 24-year-old young man. 173 00:09:42,898 --> 00:09:45,293 Was having an argument with his girlfriend... 174 00:09:45,294 --> 00:09:48,031 Took a .22 caliber pistol... 175 00:09:48,032 --> 00:09:51,336 And shot himself in the heart. 176 00:09:51,337 --> 00:09:53,743 Now what about the second suicide? 177 00:09:53,744 --> 00:09:56,444 Well, in 1961... 178 00:09:56,564 --> 00:09:59,256 Thomas' brother Raymond... 179 00:09:59,257 --> 00:10:05,157 Also committed suicide using the exact same gun, but he doesn't die. 180 00:10:05,307 --> 00:10:07,801 So he decides to hang himself. 181 00:10:07,802 --> 00:10:09,563 Have you ever heard of anything like that? 182 00:10:09,564 --> 00:10:14,374 No. Of the 23 years, I never had anything like this happen. 183 00:10:14,375 --> 00:10:20,275 There was really no indication as to why he would want to commit suicide. 184 00:10:24,018 --> 00:10:26,867 And there's the pain in my head. 185 00:10:26,868 --> 00:10:29,371 Not everything I see is always crystal-clear. 186 00:10:29,372 --> 00:10:33,142 It can be bits and pieces of information that I have to put together. 187 00:10:33,143 --> 00:10:35,679 I think it's self-inflicted. 188 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:37,128 Anderson: What do you mean? 189 00:10:37,129 --> 00:10:39,289 I saw... 190 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:43,239 A noose, hanging from the beams. 191 00:10:44,096 --> 00:10:47,223 There's a lot of blood. 192 00:10:47,224 --> 00:10:50,688 I hear somebody yelling. I hear a male yelling. 193 00:10:50,689 --> 00:10:53,509 I hear a gunshot. 194 00:10:53,664 --> 00:10:55,447 From the information around me, 195 00:10:55,448 --> 00:10:58,592 I was almost positive that a man had hung himself. 196 00:10:58,593 --> 00:11:02,267 But the fact that I also heard a gunshot in the exact same spot... 197 00:11:02,268 --> 00:11:04,140 Didn't make sense. 198 00:11:04,141 --> 00:11:06,548 Anderson: Who's he that you're talking about? 199 00:11:06,549 --> 00:11:10,029 The man who killed himself. 200 00:11:14,551 --> 00:11:17,614 Di Schiavi: I've investigated countless deaths, and the fact that I 201 00:11:17,615 --> 00:11:21,304 couldn't find a motive for Raymond Smith's suicide didn't sit right. 202 00:11:21,305 --> 00:11:27,205 And after talking to a descendant of the Smith family, I wasn't any closer. 203 00:11:31,638 --> 00:11:34,699 What can you tell me about Ed Sr.? 204 00:11:34,700 --> 00:11:38,106 This is my great-grandfather. 205 00:11:38,107 --> 00:11:42,111 I heard he was a hardworking kind of man. 206 00:11:42,112 --> 00:11:45,926 The winters were harsh, but he enjoyed doing it. 207 00:11:45,927 --> 00:11:49,577 Because they knew they had to provide for the family. 208 00:11:49,578 --> 00:11:53,168 I got to ask you a question... how did these suicides affect your family? 209 00:11:53,169 --> 00:11:57,385 When Thomas committed suicide, they were sad and they were heartbroken but, 210 00:11:57,386 --> 00:11:59,307 they kind of saw it happening. 211 00:11:59,308 --> 00:12:03,144 But when Ray died, nobody was expecting that. 212 00:12:03,145 --> 00:12:05,313 But it kind of erased the family. 213 00:12:05,314 --> 00:12:10,474 It kind of made them just go all their own ways. 214 00:12:12,458 --> 00:12:16,991 There's something about this old man, grandpa... 215 00:12:16,992 --> 00:12:20,352 Like an Ed, Eddie, Edgar. 216 00:12:20,466 --> 00:12:23,798 He's a farmer... literally the image of a farmer... 217 00:12:23,799 --> 00:12:28,119 Overalls, cutoff sleeves, big, rosy guy. 218 00:12:29,312 --> 00:12:32,072 Anyways, he died. 219 00:12:32,453 --> 00:12:34,976 Di Schiavi: While I was working out the suicides that took place 220 00:12:34,977 --> 00:12:37,679 in Franklin's house, I'd gotten a frantic call from Judy. 221 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:41,378 She said the activity in her house was getting a lot worse. 222 00:12:41,379 --> 00:12:43,193 I had no choice. 223 00:12:43,194 --> 00:12:46,978 I had to break the rules and ask Amy to walk Judy's new home. 224 00:12:46,979 --> 00:12:50,159 Okay, I'll set it up. 225 00:12:57,299 --> 00:13:00,299 [Eerie music playing] 226 00:13:04,379 --> 00:13:06,659 There's... 227 00:13:07,194 --> 00:13:10,734 People. They've been called. 228 00:13:10,902 --> 00:13:16,482 They've been asked to come into the back of the house. 229 00:13:20,192 --> 00:13:22,819 A walk requires an incredible amount of my energy, 230 00:13:22,820 --> 00:13:24,552 and can wear me down for days. 231 00:13:24,553 --> 00:13:28,564 So doing a second walk that soon took its toll on me. 232 00:13:28,565 --> 00:13:31,202 But it was the right thing to do for our clients. 233 00:13:31,203 --> 00:13:33,000 My body doesn't feel comfortable here. 234 00:13:33,001 --> 00:13:36,542 It's like, you know... [high-pitched screeching] 235 00:13:36,543 --> 00:13:38,218 This annoying hum. 236 00:13:38,219 --> 00:13:39,907 [Humming] 237 00:13:39,908 --> 00:13:44,069 I feel like there are two people that have been having experiences. 238 00:13:44,070 --> 00:13:46,595 Is what's going on dangerous for them? 239 00:13:46,596 --> 00:13:47,991 Yeah. 240 00:13:47,992 --> 00:13:52,012 They've had nasty [Bleep] come in. 241 00:13:52,337 --> 00:13:53,172 Narrator: Next... 242 00:13:53,173 --> 00:13:55,623 It's some kind of demonic presence. 243 00:13:55,624 --> 00:13:57,350 It's scary. 244 00:13:57,351 --> 00:13:59,694 What happened after the investigation. 245 00:13:59,695 --> 00:14:01,786 I was really sweating bullets. 246 00:14:01,787 --> 00:14:05,639 Man: Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. 247 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,460 [Indistinct voices] 248 00:14:09,631 --> 00:14:12,451 [Indistinct voices] 249 00:14:26,814 --> 00:14:31,118 Amy, I want to introduce you to three generations here. 250 00:14:31,119 --> 00:14:34,296 Frankie: When I was about to meet Amy, I was really sweating bullets. 251 00:14:34,297 --> 00:14:37,224 But I had to stay strong for everybody else. 252 00:14:37,225 --> 00:14:40,821 Big concern here is, is it safe for Franco to stay. 253 00:14:40,822 --> 00:14:44,928 And have Judy and Frankie taken something back to where they live now, 254 00:14:44,929 --> 00:14:46,466 and are they gonna be okay? 255 00:14:46,467 --> 00:14:50,069 So with that, Amy will start and tell us about her walk. 256 00:14:50,070 --> 00:14:53,070 [Eerie music playing] 257 00:14:53,580 --> 00:14:57,701 Allan: The first thing that I got was this little... 258 00:14:57,702 --> 00:15:01,600 Creature, and, um, it would burrow into the ground. 259 00:15:01,601 --> 00:15:04,045 And it felt very, very negative. 260 00:15:04,046 --> 00:15:09,485 And then I saw these Creature things out in the yard. 261 00:15:09,486 --> 00:15:14,494 They were like seven feet tall, abnormally long arms, muscular. 262 00:15:14,495 --> 00:15:17,735 They were wearing masks. 263 00:15:20,794 --> 00:15:24,077 When I was a little kid, I would go to bed uh... 264 00:15:24,078 --> 00:15:29,334 And in the dream, I would see just one man standing there, wouldn't do nothing. 265 00:15:29,335 --> 00:15:33,813 He had a mask on, and I would have that dream constantly. 266 00:15:33,814 --> 00:15:36,616 Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 267 00:15:36,617 --> 00:15:39,771 Okay, all right, I drew it. 268 00:15:39,772 --> 00:15:44,373 Allan: To help describe what I see during my walk, I bring in a sketch artist. 269 00:15:44,374 --> 00:15:50,274 It's an important way to validate my findings with Steve and our clients. 270 00:15:53,115 --> 00:15:54,975 Wow. 271 00:16:05,236 --> 00:16:08,160 Well, I think I'd be afraid if I saw that in the middle of the night, too. 272 00:16:08,161 --> 00:16:11,721 The sketch... that was really trippy. 273 00:16:11,722 --> 00:16:15,387 It scared me because just seeing it again... 274 00:16:15,388 --> 00:16:19,933 All those years of haunting me and then all of a sudden seeing it in reality, 275 00:16:19,934 --> 00:16:24,855 that definitely, definitely sent chills down my spine. 276 00:16:24,856 --> 00:16:27,496 Yeah, that's... 277 00:16:27,716 --> 00:16:30,356 Looks like him. 278 00:16:31,349 --> 00:16:33,450 It's scary. 279 00:16:33,451 --> 00:16:39,223 Frankie never got into detail of what it was that he was seeing or dreaming of. 280 00:16:39,224 --> 00:16:42,345 When I saw that sketch, I think it finally hit me. 281 00:16:42,346 --> 00:16:45,195 It wasn't a dream anymore. It was real life. 282 00:16:45,196 --> 00:16:46,967 Okay, Amy, what else did you see? 283 00:16:46,968 --> 00:16:49,500 I saw this farmer. 284 00:16:49,501 --> 00:16:52,125 He lived here. I know he died here. 285 00:16:52,126 --> 00:16:56,962 He comes in the barn a lot, and his name was Ed or Eddie. 286 00:16:56,963 --> 00:16:58,841 You're kidding. 287 00:16:58,842 --> 00:17:00,411 Ed or Eddie? 288 00:17:00,412 --> 00:17:01,399 Mm-hmm. 289 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:06,018 The guy that I saw in the house was very tall, lean... 290 00:17:06,019 --> 00:17:09,926 Uh... very old-fashionedly dressed. 291 00:17:09,927 --> 00:17:11,627 The original settler on this land, 292 00:17:11,628 --> 00:17:14,300 was a second-generation farmer by the name of Eddie Smith. 293 00:17:14,301 --> 00:17:19,221 And he farmed this land for probably 70 years. 294 00:17:21,164 --> 00:17:26,084 Now that looks more like what I seen. [Laughs] 295 00:17:26,469 --> 00:17:30,474 He looked just like that. I seen him with my own eyes. 296 00:17:30,475 --> 00:17:32,339 That's incredible. 297 00:17:32,340 --> 00:17:35,519 I'm amazed every time our findings connect like that. 298 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,512 But what Amy said next just blew me away. 299 00:17:38,513 --> 00:17:41,985 The other person that I saw was right here in this barn. 300 00:17:41,986 --> 00:17:44,385 He, like, was suicidal. 301 00:17:44,386 --> 00:17:48,355 I saw an old pistol, and then I heard a gunshot. 302 00:17:48,356 --> 00:17:54,236 But I'm looking at these, and I'm like, "he hung himself". 303 00:17:56,097 --> 00:17:59,038 She almost nailed this down to 100%. 304 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:02,703 His son Raymond in 1961 committed suicide in this barn. 305 00:18:02,704 --> 00:18:04,548 Oh, my God. 306 00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:07,423 Apparently he didn't die right away... 307 00:18:07,424 --> 00:18:10,851 - Oh, my God. - So he took a rope and then hung himself. 308 00:18:10,852 --> 00:18:14,752 Tell Amy what you saw that time. 309 00:18:15,180 --> 00:18:19,639 I look up at the barn, and I notice this white figure... 310 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,367 Peeking its head through the window, but at the same time trying to hide, 311 00:18:23,368 --> 00:18:25,968 like he didn't want us to know he was there. 312 00:18:25,969 --> 00:18:30,943 Frankie: It really did frighten me to know that the man in the barn was actually real. 313 00:18:30,944 --> 00:18:36,844 I've never looked at the barn ever since that in the same way. 314 00:18:37,511 --> 00:18:42,689 The other thing that I saw was a child, a 5-year-old little boy. 315 00:18:42,690 --> 00:18:45,970 The child is not a child. 316 00:18:45,971 --> 00:18:49,537 It's some kind of demonic presence. 317 00:18:49,538 --> 00:18:55,288 And what it did to this family was it caused two suicides. 318 00:18:55,289 --> 00:18:59,702 It probably influenced them to do it and... 319 00:18:59,703 --> 00:19:02,669 Completely destroyed the family. 320 00:19:02,670 --> 00:19:05,052 Judy: My absolute worst fear was, 321 00:19:05,053 --> 00:19:10,953 that she was gonna discover something is malevolent, is a Demon, and she did. 322 00:19:11,647 --> 00:19:16,001 Di Schiavi: Well, there's obviously a lot going on here. 323 00:19:16,002 --> 00:19:17,786 Two biggest questions... 324 00:19:17,787 --> 00:19:20,669 Is it safe for Franco at this house. 325 00:19:20,670 --> 00:19:25,284 And did this thing follow you two guys to your new home, and are you safe there? 326 00:19:25,285 --> 00:19:28,401 Allan: In your house, you guys are getting an influx of random 327 00:19:28,402 --> 00:19:32,779 people and things coming in the back door and the back window. 328 00:19:32,780 --> 00:19:37,453 But all you need to do is bring in a holy man... 329 00:19:37,454 --> 00:19:40,851 Who will have a blessing done and a sealing done. 330 00:19:40,852 --> 00:19:42,033 Okay. 331 00:19:42,034 --> 00:19:46,212 But this property, your situation is a little bit different. 332 00:19:46,213 --> 00:19:50,661 You know, this thing's been here for a long time, it can affect people. 333 00:19:50,662 --> 00:19:54,075 So you really need to not only get the blessing, 334 00:19:54,076 --> 00:19:56,776 but also you need to bring in a Shaman. 335 00:19:56,777 --> 00:20:02,677 Who will seal up the property so that the demonic thing can't get back in. 336 00:20:04,198 --> 00:20:08,333 My concern is that if you don't take care of this, what could happen? 337 00:20:08,334 --> 00:20:10,466 Ooh, it'd be bad. 338 00:20:10,467 --> 00:20:13,107 It'll continue. 339 00:20:13,272 --> 00:20:18,312 So you're gonna take Amy's advice and do this? 340 00:20:29,227 --> 00:20:35,127 When Amy said what had to be done, I knew we had to take action. 341 00:20:37,218 --> 00:20:41,043 Get it done the right way, get it done quick. 342 00:20:41,044 --> 00:20:44,570 Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. 343 00:20:44,571 --> 00:20:47,948 Judy: The priest came into the property and blessed our house. 344 00:20:47,949 --> 00:20:53,480 By the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all evil spirits. 345 00:20:53,481 --> 00:20:55,605 May this blessing remain upon this house, 346 00:20:55,606 --> 00:21:01,045 and upon all those who live here now and forever, amen. 347 00:21:01,046 --> 00:21:06,863 Judy: The priest also left us with some Bible verses that we need to recite. 348 00:21:06,864 --> 00:21:12,144 I do it every night to continue to bless the home. 349 00:21:13,716 --> 00:21:16,440 Frankie: There are moments that I still feel like I'm being watched. 350 00:21:16,441 --> 00:21:20,273 Occasionally, I will see something out of the corner of my eye. 351 00:21:20,274 --> 00:21:24,947 When you see something like that, it definitely makes your hair stand up. 352 00:21:24,948 --> 00:21:27,667 Judy: I don't think the activity will ever end for good, 353 00:21:27,668 --> 00:21:32,708 and my worry for my son will never end, either. 354 00:21:34,654 --> 00:21:38,691 The problem is my Father hasn't done anything to his home yet. 355 00:21:38,692 --> 00:21:43,959 But we're hopeful that he will follow Amy's advice, because the activity has subsided, 356 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,140 but it hasn't stopped. 357 00:21:47,968 --> 00:21:51,968 Now that Judy and Frankie have blessed their home, the dead should stay away. 358 00:21:51,969 --> 00:21:57,042 At least for the time being, but Franco's home is another story. 359 00:21:57,043 --> 00:22:00,005 Until the property is sealed, I believe that the demon 360 00:22:00,006 --> 00:22:05,906 will be waiting for the right moment to tear this family apart. 361 00:22:19,117 --> 00:22:20,797 Di Schiavi: When I got the call from Kara, 362 00:22:20,798 --> 00:22:25,183 the Director of the Sampson Arts Council in Clinton, North Carolina, she was desperate. 363 00:22:25,184 --> 00:22:27,396 Word had gotten out that the place was haunted, 364 00:22:27,397 --> 00:22:31,577 and her staff and students were terrified to even go into the building. 365 00:22:31,578 --> 00:22:35,158 And after what Amy and I revealed about what was really going on there... 366 00:22:35,159 --> 00:22:38,741 I don't blame them for being scared. 367 00:22:38,742 --> 00:22:41,120 Di Schiavi: Well, Kara, tell me what's going on. 368 00:22:41,121 --> 00:22:46,068 We've been having some experiences here with volunteers hearing noises... 369 00:22:46,069 --> 00:22:50,129 Feeling something touch them, and seeing apparitions. 370 00:22:50,130 --> 00:22:52,165 Let me ask you, what's your biggest concern? 371 00:22:52,166 --> 00:22:55,409 We have a lot of kids who come to take art classes, 372 00:22:55,410 --> 00:22:58,034 but their parents are afraid to bring them up here. 373 00:22:58,035 --> 00:23:00,072 Because of the things that are going on. 374 00:23:00,073 --> 00:23:02,901 We might close down because of that. 375 00:23:02,902 --> 00:23:05,884 Kara: Not only were we in jeopardy of losing volunteers, 376 00:23:05,885 --> 00:23:09,205 but, also, losing the community's support. 377 00:23:09,206 --> 00:23:12,992 The Small House is the center of our community for the arts. 378 00:23:12,993 --> 00:23:18,758 And if we had to leave this location, it would just be devastating. 379 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:21,494 Do you know who lived here before the house became the art center? 380 00:23:21,495 --> 00:23:26,499 Well, Dr. Small was a general practitioner here in Clinton. 381 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:29,398 He left the house in his will to the arts council, 382 00:23:29,399 --> 00:23:31,810 in hopes that it would be used for arts purposes. 383 00:23:31,811 --> 00:23:37,038 And we're just here to fulfill that dream for him. 384 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:40,192 Would you stay overnight here alone? 385 00:23:40,193 --> 00:23:42,147 Probably not. 386 00:23:42,148 --> 00:23:48,048 Not too comfortable with this house at night when it's dark. 387 00:24:03,069 --> 00:24:06,969 There's, like, a lot of sadness. 388 00:24:08,508 --> 00:24:11,266 There was an overwhelming amount of negativity in that house, 389 00:24:11,267 --> 00:24:12,517 which is never good. 390 00:24:12,518 --> 00:24:17,999 And the first entity who approached me had a warning that made my skin crawl. 391 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,838 There's a woman... 392 00:24:20,839 --> 00:24:24,379 And she's talking. [Moaning] 393 00:24:25,887 --> 00:24:31,787 The first thing she said when she came up was "house of death". 394 00:24:33,798 --> 00:24:35,014 Narrator: Next... 395 00:24:35,015 --> 00:24:37,603 - So, what were they doing? - A [Bleep] S?ance. 396 00:24:37,604 --> 00:24:40,072 Narrator:... Amy uncovers the startling truth. 397 00:24:40,073 --> 00:24:43,776 The dead begin to resent the living. 398 00:24:43,777 --> 00:24:46,597 [Indistinct voices] 399 00:24:48,301 --> 00:24:51,121 [Indistinct voices] 400 00:24:55,295 --> 00:24:59,853 Di Schiavi: Amy and I were investigating the Sampson Arts Council in North Carolina. 401 00:24:59,854 --> 00:25:03,206 The center's Director had serious concerns that paranormal activity, 402 00:25:03,207 --> 00:25:06,602 was driving away her staff and students. 403 00:25:06,603 --> 00:25:09,041 So, Kara, why did you bring me in this room? 404 00:25:09,042 --> 00:25:13,505 To show you the photos of Dr. Small and his wife, Suzanne. 405 00:25:13,506 --> 00:25:18,119 The legend is if you were to switch the photos and hang them facing each other... 406 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:23,340 Dr. Small comes and gently places it on the floor. 407 00:25:24,266 --> 00:25:26,728 Okay, now, why would he want 'em facing the other way, though? 408 00:25:26,729 --> 00:25:30,130 Dr. Small and his wife didn't get along, and he said... 409 00:25:30,131 --> 00:25:34,298 "I don't want to look at Suzanne for the rest of eternity". 410 00:25:34,299 --> 00:25:36,628 Kara: During the daytime, I feel comfortable here, 411 00:25:36,629 --> 00:25:40,682 but at night, when it gets dark, I don't want to be here by myself. 412 00:25:40,683 --> 00:25:46,583 This house just has a feeling about it, like Dr. Small is lurking around. 413 00:25:47,424 --> 00:25:50,420 Sounds like you've got a lot of activity here, from what you're telling me. 414 00:25:50,421 --> 00:25:54,022 We've had a couple of other groups to come in and investigate. 415 00:25:54,023 --> 00:25:56,388 - What do you mean, like Ghost Hunters? - Yeah. 416 00:25:56,389 --> 00:25:59,217 They've tried to talk with the dead but, 417 00:25:59,218 --> 00:26:02,453 we haven't really had much result from them. 418 00:26:02,454 --> 00:26:03,636 Okay. 419 00:26:03,637 --> 00:26:06,840 Di Schiavi: We weren't the first ones Kara called in to help with their problems, 420 00:26:06,841 --> 00:26:10,681 but we were definitely the last. 421 00:26:10,821 --> 00:26:12,783 There's a round table. 422 00:26:12,784 --> 00:26:16,144 People are sitting around. 423 00:26:17,101 --> 00:26:19,984 Anderson: So, what were they doing? 424 00:26:19,985 --> 00:26:22,148 A [Bleep] S?ance. 425 00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:24,215 They're holding hands... 426 00:26:24,216 --> 00:26:29,470 "Is anybody here? Can we talk to anybody? Why are you doing these things?" 427 00:26:29,471 --> 00:26:33,828 I was so angry. It was bad enough that the house was full of dead people... 428 00:26:33,829 --> 00:26:36,990 But to bring in a bunch of thrill seekers to try and clear them out, 429 00:26:36,991 --> 00:26:39,233 only made things worse. 430 00:26:39,234 --> 00:26:42,854 So how would a s?ance affect the dead here? 431 00:26:42,855 --> 00:26:46,099 The dead begin to resent the living. 432 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:52,000 How would you like it if people kept coming in your home and [Bleep] with you? 433 00:26:55,967 --> 00:26:58,374 Di Schiavi: Next, I met with a former employee. 434 00:26:58,375 --> 00:27:01,845 So far, she was the only witness that had actually seen something. 435 00:27:01,846 --> 00:27:07,746 And after we spoke, I started to get a pretty good idea of who I needed to find. 436 00:27:11,889 --> 00:27:14,490 Meredith, I understand you had some experiences. 437 00:27:14,491 --> 00:27:18,486 When I was maybe 5 or 6, I was here for a party. 438 00:27:18,487 --> 00:27:21,855 And a figure came from that door over there, 439 00:27:21,856 --> 00:27:25,335 and walked through the railing and down the stairway. 440 00:27:25,336 --> 00:27:27,704 - You mean like an apparition? - Yes. 441 00:27:27,705 --> 00:27:30,406 It was a man, maybe 40s or 50s. 442 00:27:30,407 --> 00:27:33,235 What about now, how are you feeling being here now? 443 00:27:33,236 --> 00:27:37,616 There's no way I'd be here by myself. 444 00:27:39,879 --> 00:27:44,955 There's like this guy who's really depressed, and he wears a dark suit. 445 00:27:44,956 --> 00:27:46,973 He's kind of tall. 446 00:27:46,974 --> 00:27:50,921 I think that he's been seen, and I think that he's been heard. 447 00:27:50,922 --> 00:27:53,788 When I first saw that depressed man, I thought... 448 00:27:53,789 --> 00:27:57,622 "Maybe he could help me figure out what happened in the house". 449 00:27:57,623 --> 00:28:03,523 But the moment he started speaking, I knew that help was the last thing on his mind. 450 00:28:07,912 --> 00:28:11,126 - Anderson: You all right? - No. 451 00:28:11,127 --> 00:28:17,027 This man is, like, preaching, and it's, like, really disturbing. 452 00:28:17,163 --> 00:28:20,056 Like he's getting off on death. 453 00:28:20,057 --> 00:28:24,677 People are, like, freaking the [Bleep] out. 454 00:28:26,197 --> 00:28:29,466 Di Schiavi: At this point, it was clear a lot was happening in the house. 455 00:28:29,467 --> 00:28:33,199 But it wasn't till I spoke to one of the center's current volunteers that I realized 456 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:39,100 what kind of impact the building was having on people's health and their sanity. 457 00:28:43,814 --> 00:28:47,450 So, Ashley, I was wondering if you ever had any strange experiences here. 458 00:28:47,451 --> 00:28:52,128 Um yes, the bathroom right up here I won't go in at all. 459 00:28:52,129 --> 00:28:54,690 - Why? - Whenever I go in there, I get chills. 460 00:28:54,691 --> 00:28:58,604 - It makes me physically sick. - All right, you know what? Come with me. 461 00:28:58,605 --> 00:29:01,479 I know you're scared, but just come with me for a second, all right? 462 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,097 Okay. How are you feeling? 463 00:29:04,098 --> 00:29:08,190 Just seeing it this close is getting me a little upset. 464 00:29:08,191 --> 00:29:10,176 - Ooh, you're really shaking. - Mm-hmm. 465 00:29:10,177 --> 00:29:13,810 - You all right? - Just uneasy being near this bathroom. 466 00:29:13,811 --> 00:29:16,777 All right, come on. Let's go back out here. 467 00:29:16,778 --> 00:29:20,205 Can you describe what you physically just went through? 468 00:29:20,206 --> 00:29:25,185 Shaky, trembly, it's a feeling that I don't ever want to feel ever. 469 00:29:25,186 --> 00:29:28,058 Would you stay overnight in any other part of the house here? 470 00:29:28,059 --> 00:29:30,639 Absolutely not. 471 00:29:32,685 --> 00:29:33,698 Narrator: Next... 472 00:29:33,699 --> 00:29:35,498 Is anything unusual in this will? 473 00:29:35,499 --> 00:29:37,367 Narrator:... the bodies start stacking up. 474 00:29:37,368 --> 00:29:39,802 Sliced his throat right at the jugular. 475 00:29:39,803 --> 00:29:42,372 Narrator: And what happened after the investigation? 476 00:29:42,373 --> 00:29:44,574 I had an uneasy feeling. 477 00:29:44,575 --> 00:29:47,395 [Indistinct voices] 478 00:29:49,443 --> 00:29:52,263 [Indistinct voices] 479 00:29:57,785 --> 00:29:59,756 Di Schiavi: The Sampson Arts Council got started, 480 00:29:59,757 --> 00:30:02,722 when a local Doctor donated his home to the County in his will. 481 00:30:02,723 --> 00:30:06,246 By most accounts, Dr. Small seemed like a decent guy. 482 00:30:06,247 --> 00:30:08,591 But after talking to the lawyer who drew up his will, 483 00:30:08,592 --> 00:30:14,492 I got the impression that the Doctor might have been hiding a few secrets. 484 00:30:19,142 --> 00:30:22,096 Di Schiavi: Dr. Small... what can you tell me about him? 485 00:30:22,097 --> 00:30:24,382 Dr. Small uh... 486 00:30:24,383 --> 00:30:27,238 Certainly was a unique personality... 487 00:30:27,239 --> 00:30:28,381 To say the least. 488 00:30:28,382 --> 00:30:32,774 I think he was eccentric, in some respects. 489 00:30:32,775 --> 00:30:34,720 So, Gene, you actually wrote his will? 490 00:30:34,721 --> 00:30:38,768 Yes, I did. I have a copy of it here. 491 00:30:38,769 --> 00:30:40,860 Is anything unusual in this will? 492 00:30:40,861 --> 00:30:43,767 Well, he didn't provide for his wife. 493 00:30:43,768 --> 00:30:47,549 I do recall that... I think they slept in separate bedrooms. 494 00:30:47,550 --> 00:30:50,486 As I understand, they had separate bank accounts. 495 00:30:50,487 --> 00:30:54,483 And when he would talk, it was always in first person singular. 496 00:30:54,484 --> 00:30:57,784 He would never say "we". 497 00:31:01,748 --> 00:31:04,750 It's like... I want to say, like, there's a Doctor. 498 00:31:04,751 --> 00:31:08,951 Like, he knows a lot about the body. 499 00:31:09,343 --> 00:31:11,891 And, like, pressure points. 500 00:31:11,892 --> 00:31:15,544 You feel the pressure, and then you'll feel, like... 501 00:31:15,545 --> 00:31:20,453 Like you want to pass out or whatever, because he's pushing these points. 502 00:31:20,454 --> 00:31:24,495 I could see that the Doctor had learned many techniques to cause pain. 503 00:31:24,496 --> 00:31:28,096 And at night, when he could hide under the cover of darkness, 504 00:31:28,097 --> 00:31:33,213 he enjoyed using those skills to torture the living. 505 00:31:33,214 --> 00:31:36,986 He knows where to touch, like the spots to make headaches come on, 506 00:31:36,987 --> 00:31:41,787 to make people feel like they can't breathe. 507 00:31:41,881 --> 00:31:45,301 I don't like him at all. 508 00:31:48,896 --> 00:31:51,249 Di Schiavi: Dr. Small told Gene that the guy who owned 509 00:31:51,250 --> 00:31:53,880 the house in the early 1900s had killed himself. 510 00:31:53,881 --> 00:31:57,103 In those days, public records of suicide were scarce. 511 00:31:57,104 --> 00:32:03,004 Fortunately, a local reporter was able to help me track down the gruesome details. 512 00:32:06,813 --> 00:32:10,563 Dr. Leeman Matthews was our Superintendent of Public Schools, 513 00:32:10,564 --> 00:32:15,055 here in Samson County from 1907 until 1918. 514 00:32:15,056 --> 00:32:16,838 What about the suicide? 515 00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:20,379 It was, probably very messy. 516 00:32:20,724 --> 00:32:23,438 According to the death certificate... 517 00:32:23,439 --> 00:32:28,695 He had locked himself in the bathroom upstairs, in the bathtub... 518 00:32:28,696 --> 00:32:32,305 And sliced his throat, right at the jugular. 519 00:32:32,306 --> 00:32:34,077 Okay. 520 00:32:34,078 --> 00:32:36,246 Jeff, did he have a history of depression? 521 00:32:36,247 --> 00:32:38,670 Not that we've been able to find any evidence of. 522 00:32:38,671 --> 00:32:43,591 It just seemed to all come across very sudden. 523 00:32:45,419 --> 00:32:49,889 Allan: You know what's weird is there's dead bodies like all over the place? 524 00:32:49,890 --> 00:32:51,735 What do you mean? Can you describe them? 525 00:32:51,736 --> 00:32:57,376 They're just dead people, laying around in random places. 526 00:32:58,107 --> 00:33:02,187 The darkness is just very bad here. 527 00:33:03,548 --> 00:33:09,188 There's this male lurking in the dark who can hurt you. 528 00:33:10,877 --> 00:33:16,037 He lives in the dark, and he [Bleep] with people. 529 00:33:16,984 --> 00:33:19,431 Di Schiavi: I already had two deaths tied to The Small House. 530 00:33:19,432 --> 00:33:21,693 And after sitting down with another historian, 531 00:33:21,694 --> 00:33:24,232 it seemed like everyone who lived there died tragically. 532 00:33:24,233 --> 00:33:25,581 By the end of that interview, 533 00:33:25,582 --> 00:33:31,042 I was determined to make sure it didn't happen again. 534 00:33:34,835 --> 00:33:40,173 Abraham Hobbs was born into a well-to-do family in northern Sampson County. 535 00:33:40,174 --> 00:33:43,582 Abraham joined the Confederate Army in 1862. 536 00:33:43,583 --> 00:33:48,080 And just after the end of the war, he went on to become a gentleman farmer. 537 00:33:48,081 --> 00:33:51,050 What about family? Did he have wife, kids? What's the story? 538 00:33:51,051 --> 00:33:53,230 Abraham and his wife had six children. 539 00:33:53,231 --> 00:33:57,164 And the focus of the house would likely have been on the children, 540 00:33:57,165 --> 00:34:00,726 the gospel, faith, and their education. 541 00:34:00,727 --> 00:34:03,163 - So he was a religious man? - That's right. 542 00:34:03,164 --> 00:34:05,200 Who died on the property? Do you have any idea? 543 00:34:05,201 --> 00:34:08,949 We know that one of his daughters died in the 1880s. 544 00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:12,730 His wife, Lizzie, died in 1897. 545 00:34:12,839 --> 00:34:17,939 And his half-brother died in the house, as well. 546 00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:24,384 This depressed man... he owned this place for sure. 547 00:34:24,385 --> 00:34:29,005 He was preaching, and he's, like, yelling. 548 00:34:29,158 --> 00:34:33,614 He had a room that was dark and small... 549 00:34:33,615 --> 00:34:38,264 And that he would do things to human bodies there. 550 00:34:38,265 --> 00:34:40,623 [Woman screams] 551 00:34:40,624 --> 00:34:46,144 I think he was interested in, like, what morticians do. 552 00:34:46,204 --> 00:34:49,209 I think this guy was really fixated on death. 553 00:34:49,210 --> 00:34:51,377 [Whispering] I don't like him. 554 00:34:51,378 --> 00:34:52,712 Narrator: Coming up... 555 00:34:52,713 --> 00:34:55,119 I don't really think it's safe here. 556 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,082 Wow. 557 00:34:56,083 --> 00:34:57,517 Secrets come to light... 558 00:34:57,518 --> 00:34:59,322 This is a lot of pressure for you. 559 00:34:59,323 --> 00:35:00,386 And the living... 560 00:35:00,387 --> 00:35:02,154 Woman: I would like to know... 561 00:35:02,155 --> 00:35:03,289 Confront the dead. 562 00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:05,358 What it will take for you to leave. 563 00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:08,777 Next on "Dead Files Revisited". 564 00:35:08,778 --> 00:35:11,598 [Indistinct voices] 565 00:35:12,946 --> 00:35:15,766 [Indistinct voices] 566 00:35:30,948 --> 00:35:36,658 This is Kara. She is the Executive Director of the Sampson County arts council. 567 00:35:36,659 --> 00:35:38,797 Kara: Going into the reveal... 568 00:35:38,798 --> 00:35:42,102 I had an uneasy feeling about what was about to happen. 569 00:35:42,103 --> 00:35:44,268 We hadn't had any contact with Amy, 570 00:35:44,269 --> 00:35:48,863 so the buildup about what she saw was overwhelming. 571 00:35:48,864 --> 00:35:53,290 Kara's worried about possibly having to shut the place down. 572 00:35:53,291 --> 00:35:56,765 Meredith used to volunteer here. She doesn't do it any longer. 573 00:35:56,766 --> 00:35:58,967 Ashley does volunteer here. 574 00:35:58,968 --> 00:36:01,436 She doesn't even want to be in this house alone. 575 00:36:01,437 --> 00:36:06,934 So, Amy, why don't we start out by you talking about your walk? 576 00:36:06,935 --> 00:36:11,173 Allan: I encountered this one entity who um... 577 00:36:11,174 --> 00:36:13,550 Knows, like, pressure points. 578 00:36:13,551 --> 00:36:17,151 So I thought he's a Doctor. 579 00:36:18,345 --> 00:36:20,022 Di Schiavi: It's funny you mention Doctor, 580 00:36:20,023 --> 00:36:24,538 because one of the previous owners was a Dr. Small. 581 00:36:24,539 --> 00:36:30,439 I mean, he was considered a nice guy, a gentle guy, but he hated his wife. 582 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,031 Kara: It was just amazing to me that Amy saw Dr. Small. 583 00:36:35,032 --> 00:36:39,341 And that it matched the history that we have here. 584 00:36:39,342 --> 00:36:43,159 And then what Amy said was frightening. 585 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:49,017 I don't really think it's safe here at night because of him. 586 00:36:49,018 --> 00:36:52,258 That's when he attacks. 587 00:36:54,924 --> 00:36:56,291 Okay, what else? 588 00:36:56,292 --> 00:37:00,912 So I was upstairs, and I saw dead bodies. 589 00:37:00,948 --> 00:37:03,391 So you're talking about the top of the stairs by the bathroom. 590 00:37:03,392 --> 00:37:05,418 It was in front of the bathroom. 591 00:37:05,419 --> 00:37:07,947 This is a good time for Ashley to tell you about 592 00:37:07,948 --> 00:37:10,905 how she gets when she goes near that bathroom. 593 00:37:10,906 --> 00:37:13,160 Ashley: The first time I walked in the bathroom, 594 00:37:13,161 --> 00:37:17,545 I took two steps in and got shaky, stomach hurts. 595 00:37:17,546 --> 00:37:20,373 It feels like, you know, a true feeling of dread. 596 00:37:20,374 --> 00:37:22,327 I'm getting shaky talking about it right now. 597 00:37:22,328 --> 00:37:24,531 There was a guy that used to live here before Dr. Small, 598 00:37:24,532 --> 00:37:27,122 by the name of Leeman Matthews. 599 00:37:27,123 --> 00:37:29,447 Never had issues. 600 00:37:29,448 --> 00:37:32,668 He took a straight razor and cut his jugular open, 601 00:37:32,669 --> 00:37:36,098 and bled to death in the bathtub. 602 00:37:36,099 --> 00:37:38,889 How do you feel about that now that you know that? 603 00:37:38,890 --> 00:37:40,755 It's a little shocking. 604 00:37:40,756 --> 00:37:44,048 Kara: I feel like Ashley felt a sense of relief... 605 00:37:44,049 --> 00:37:49,238 In that Amy felt the same way when she went into the bathroom upstairs. 606 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:54,049 But she also felt more afraid in that it was real. 607 00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:56,640 Okay, let's continue with the rest of your walk. 608 00:37:56,641 --> 00:38:02,541 One of the people that I did come into contact with was a very depressed man. 609 00:38:02,715 --> 00:38:08,612 Very, very sad about the war, and he was also preaching a lot. 610 00:38:08,613 --> 00:38:11,897 He would go into, like, rants. 611 00:38:11,898 --> 00:38:15,738 I saw a figure walk out of the room... 612 00:38:15,739 --> 00:38:19,866 Walk towards the stairway, through the banister and down the stairs. 613 00:38:19,867 --> 00:38:21,502 Hmm. 614 00:38:21,503 --> 00:38:25,855 Well, one of the original owners of this place was a guy named Abraham Hobbs. 615 00:38:25,856 --> 00:38:28,296 He was a Confederate soldier. The thing about Hobbs... 616 00:38:28,297 --> 00:38:33,677 He was pretty religious and very involved in the church here. 617 00:38:33,678 --> 00:38:35,933 The depressed man that I saw... 618 00:38:35,934 --> 00:38:41,535 He was the one who would put the dead people around the house. 619 00:38:41,536 --> 00:38:47,382 And he's the one who's responsible for turning the house into the house of death. 620 00:38:47,383 --> 00:38:50,831 And I'm getting concerned about what might have happened here... 621 00:38:50,832 --> 00:38:53,506 - Okay. - Or is happening here. 622 00:38:53,507 --> 00:38:58,155 Kara: I was really concerned when Amy said that it was dangerous for us to be here. 623 00:38:58,156 --> 00:39:03,676 You know, just wondering about, would we have to leave? 624 00:39:03,748 --> 00:39:07,381 Di Schiavi: The most pressing question is, Kara, is it safe... 625 00:39:07,382 --> 00:39:09,557 For you to keep this place open? 626 00:39:09,558 --> 00:39:12,744 For that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 627 00:39:12,745 --> 00:39:16,944 The first thing is to contact what I like to call a living medium. 628 00:39:16,945 --> 00:39:21,214 Which is someone who connects the living with the dead. 629 00:39:21,215 --> 00:39:25,592 They're going to connect Dr. Small hopefully with his lawyer, 630 00:39:25,593 --> 00:39:28,519 who can be his representative still. 631 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,040 Then Leeman... 632 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:37,980 The best thing there would be the same type of scenario with you. 633 00:39:38,029 --> 00:39:41,391 Then contact a death medium, like me, 634 00:39:41,392 --> 00:39:46,322 who can come in and do a cleansing from top to bottom, inside and out. 635 00:39:46,323 --> 00:39:52,009 If this is done properly, it should get rid of all the entities that are here. 636 00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:55,295 Listen, are you okay? This is a lot of pressure for you. 637 00:39:55,296 --> 00:39:58,375 I'm a little overwhelmed. I'm not gonna lie. 638 00:39:58,376 --> 00:40:02,846 If you do do this, and you're strong enough to do it, kids could come back. 639 00:40:02,847 --> 00:40:05,775 Now, are you gonna be able to follow through with all this, 640 00:40:05,776 --> 00:40:09,016 and help out with this? 641 00:40:21,097 --> 00:40:23,164 Kara: Since the investigation, 642 00:40:23,165 --> 00:40:26,688 Ashley's been too afraid to come back to The Small House, 643 00:40:26,689 --> 00:40:32,029 and to be a part of the cleansing with the mediums. 644 00:40:32,541 --> 00:40:35,444 So I took matters into my own hands. 645 00:40:35,445 --> 00:40:37,479 I brought in two mediums... 646 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,484 I ask for insight and guidance and clarity as to why you're here. 647 00:40:42,485 --> 00:40:48,065 And Mr. Gene Thompson to hopefully release the spirits... 648 00:40:49,627 --> 00:40:51,659 And cleanse the building. 649 00:40:51,660 --> 00:40:55,351 On just a regular day, I'm afraid to be here at night. 650 00:40:55,352 --> 00:40:59,013 But to know that I had to come back and communicate with the dead, 651 00:40:59,014 --> 00:41:01,973 was just totally frightening. 652 00:41:01,974 --> 00:41:06,414 I would like to know why you're here... 653 00:41:06,442 --> 00:41:09,822 And what it would take for you to be free to leave. 654 00:41:09,823 --> 00:41:15,550 But I had a sense of relief as she went through her processes. 655 00:41:15,551 --> 00:41:20,231 I knew a fix was coming. I could feel it. 656 00:41:21,604 --> 00:41:26,661 Then, another medium and I went through and cleansed every single inch of this house. 657 00:41:26,662 --> 00:41:29,482 [Indistinct voices] 658 00:41:30,158 --> 00:41:35,110 I felt like every spirit in here was just lifted out. 659 00:41:35,111 --> 00:41:39,575 The spirits have gone now. May they rest in peace. 660 00:41:39,576 --> 00:41:45,476 I immediately felt an easy feeling, a feeling that they'd really moved on. 661 00:41:48,002 --> 00:41:51,691 The Small House dates back to 1854. 662 00:41:51,692 --> 00:41:55,653 Now that the house is cleansed and the spirits are released, 663 00:41:55,654 --> 00:41:58,587 we know that the arts council will continue on 664 00:41:58,588 --> 00:42:03,135 in providing arts programming for the community. 665 00:42:03,136 --> 00:42:06,922 I hope that Ashley will come back and start volunteering again, 666 00:42:06,923 --> 00:42:10,763 and that she'll feel safe here. 667 00:42:12,875 --> 00:42:16,015 Allan: I'm impressed that Kara accepted this responsibility, 668 00:42:16,016 --> 00:42:18,746 and took control of this difficult cleanse. 669 00:42:18,747 --> 00:42:21,562 The decision to stand in for Ashley was risky, 670 00:42:21,563 --> 00:42:26,484 but from what I hear, the dead within the Small House are finally free. 671 00:42:26,485 --> 00:42:32,385 Sync & corrections by P2Pfiend. 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