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Subs created by: David Coleman.
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Narrator: Tonight on
"Dead Files Revisited"...
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He said that he'd
kill me if I came here.
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Narrator:... a second look at some of
Amy and Steve's most terrifying cases.
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You've got a lot of activity here.
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New information...
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Ashley's been too afraid to come back.
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Narrator:... startling revelations...
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I still feel like I'm being watched.
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Narrator: First, a return
to Belvidere, Illinois...
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Very concerned for
the welfare of my son.
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Where fighting evil...
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It'll torment the people
who are living here.
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Narrator:... means breaking the rules.
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I'll set it up.
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Then, we travel back to
Clinton, North Carolina...
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House of death.
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Narrator:... where
the sins of the past...
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There's dead bodies all over the place.
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Narrator:... continue
to curse the living.
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This is a lot of pressure for you.
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Did they fight back...
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So you're gonna take
Amy's advice and do this?
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Or do they still live in fear?
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Frankie: I've never gone
back there by myself.
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They're being watched.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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This thing likes death.
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I see dead people.
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This thing's, like, a monster.
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I speak to dead people.
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And he's pissed off now.
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And they speak to me.
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His head was cracked.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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This guy was murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired
New York City homicide Detective.
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I cannot help you unless
I know the whole story.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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You saw her?
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Why would you stay here?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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[Echoing] Stop it.
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We uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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Woman: I want to know the truth.
I want to know what's happening.
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Or time to get out.
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[Crying] I told you there
were ghosts in this house.
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Di Schiavi: When I arrived
in Belvidere, Illinois,
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I was expecting routine investigation.
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We were looking into the
history of an old farmhouse,
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and our client's paranormal
experiences ran three generations deep.
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But as the truth unraveled,
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Amy and I decided that the only way to
save this family was to break the rules.
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Judy, you sounded really
concerned on the phone and upset.
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- I mean, what's going on?
- Well, we're here at my dad's house.
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About 10 years ago, my
son and I moved in here,
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and ever since, we've heard
noises, we've seen apparitions.
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And we've been physically touched.
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I wanted to get my son
out of that situation,
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so about three years ago, we
moved and it hasn't stopped.
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I'm very, very concerned
for the welfare of my son.
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We were terrified as I sat there
and saw my child just scared...
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Running into my room... "Mom,
did you see it? Is it real?"
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You don't know what to do, especially
when they're screaming bloody murder.
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Well, you're a tough
woman. I give you credit.
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I had to be.
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So, there's, like, some really
significant stuff going on here.
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While I was opening, there was like this
little boy, and he didn't have any eyes.
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Looks, like, Angelic, but he's uh...
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He's dark.
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Before a walk, I do
what's called an opening.
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This process can give me a preview of
what I'm going to see at a location.
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But nothing could have prepared me for
the demonic energy of that little boy.
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What the [Bleep] is
burrowing under the ground?
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It's like some creepy...
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Thing, like...
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Anderson: What are you thinking?
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I think that the burrowing
monster is this child...
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And I think that it'll torment
the people who are living here.
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Di Schiavi: Judy's Father had
his own creepy experiences,
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but nothing terrifying enough to drive
a tough guy like him out of his own home.
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Looking back on this case,
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he should have listened to his daughter
and gotten the hell out of there.
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Oh, Franco, I spoke with your daughter.
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She told me she was
getting physically touched,
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pretty much traumatized by
everything that happened here.
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I was wondering if you ever
experienced anything here.
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Oh, I sure did.
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In the dining room, a figure
walked in, and he looked at me.
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And like he was
surprised, that I was here.
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This was a real tall, slender man.
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Had this old jacket,
almost like a suit jacket.
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But again, from way back when.
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Wow.
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So, I hear this voice.
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It's really grumbly,
like gravelly, like...
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- Hoarse.
- Can you describe him more?
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He's probably in his, like, late 30s.
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Mm, he's thin.
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- He's yelling at me.
- What is he yelling?
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He told me that he'd
kill me if I came here.
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In my line of work, I get death
threats from the dead all the time.
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It's risky, but sometimes I
just have to call their bluff.
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And I said, "oh, yeah? Bring it on".
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Now he's small and weak and
cowering, and he's crying.
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He's like sad, depressed.
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Di Schiavi: Judy was
the one who called us in,
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but her son Frankie was about to
become the focus of my investigation.
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Hearing his experiences
for the first time,
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I could tell deep down that
this tough-looking teenager,
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was really just a scared kid.
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Frankie, I was talking to
your Mom earlier and uh...
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She basically told me you
had it rough growing up here.
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There was one time I looked up
from the porch at that window.
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And I seen this figure...
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Moving back and forth.
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I could see the rope around its neck.
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And its head just hanging to the side.
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Frankie: When you see
something like that,
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it definitely sends
chills down your spine.
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Since I've seen that man in the barn,
I've never gone back there by myself.
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So, it looked like
somebody that was hung.
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Yeah.
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My head hurts oh so bad up here.
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This male... he killed himself.
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It happened here.
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There's something with a rope.
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How old were you when
this is all going on?
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Around 9, 10 years old.
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- How were you sleeping at night?
- I wasn't really sleeping good at all.
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For a few years straight,
I had the same dream...
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Of this man standing in
the yard, watching me.
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Frankie: I was able to
tell Steve things that I
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haven't told anybody
and kept them to myself.
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It was a huge relief to be
able to tell him everything.
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Describe him to me.
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Wasn't that tall. Had a mask on.
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It was a plain white mask.
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Couldn't see his face, nothing.
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Okay.
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Those things, they're
just all over here.
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Probably seven feet tall, human-shaped.
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Very broad.
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Big arms.
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They were exchanging masks...
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White masks.
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Do you think living
people have seen these?
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Definitely, I think they've
like seen them and then like,
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had like encounters with them.
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And [Bleep] freaked the [Bleep] out.
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Because they are very scary.
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Narrator: Next...
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I hear a gunshot.
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Narrator:... death invades the barn.
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[Gasps] There's a lot of blood.
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Narrator: And in our
second investigation...
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I don't want to be here by myself.
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Narrator:... lives are changed forever.
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So I took matters into my own hands.
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[Indistinct voices]
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[Indistinct voices]
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Di Schiavi: Digging into the history of
the home, I got a hit on something big.
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Two brothers committed
suicide on the property.
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The newspaper details were slim,
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but now there was some merit
to what Frankie said he saw.
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But in order to get the full story,
I had to reach out to one of my own.
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What were you able to find
out about these suicides?
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Back in 1939, Thomas Smith,
a 24-year-old young man.
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Was having an argument
with his girlfriend...
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Took a .22 caliber pistol...
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And shot himself in the heart.
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Now what about the second suicide?
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Well, in 1961...
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Thomas' brother Raymond...
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Also committed suicide using the
exact same gun, but he doesn't die.
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So he decides to hang himself.
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Have you ever heard
of anything like that?
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No. Of the 23 years, I never
had anything like this happen.
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There was really no indication as to
why he would want to commit suicide.
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And there's the pain in my head.
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Not everything I see
is always crystal-clear.
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It can be bits and pieces of
information that I have to put together.
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I think it's self-inflicted.
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Anderson: What do you mean?
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I saw...
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A noose, hanging from the beams.
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There's a lot of blood.
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I hear somebody yelling.
I hear a male yelling.
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I hear a gunshot.
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From the information around me,
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I was almost positive that
a man had hung himself.
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But the fact that I also heard a
gunshot in the exact same spot...
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Didn't make sense.
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Anderson: Who's he that
you're talking about?
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The man who killed himself.
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Di Schiavi: I've investigated
countless deaths, and the fact that I
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couldn't find a motive for Raymond
Smith's suicide didn't sit right.
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And after talking to a descendant of
the Smith family, I wasn't any closer.
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What can you tell me about Ed Sr.?
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This is my great-grandfather.
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I heard he was a
hardworking kind of man.
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The winters were harsh,
but he enjoyed doing it.
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Because they knew they had
to provide for the family.
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I got to ask you a question... how
did these suicides affect your family?
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When Thomas committed suicide, they
were sad and they were heartbroken but,
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they kind of saw it happening.
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But when Ray died,
nobody was expecting that.
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But it kind of erased the family.
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It kind of made them just
go all their own ways.
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There's something about
this old man, grandpa...
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Like an Ed, Eddie, Edgar.
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He's a farmer... literally
the image of a farmer...
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Overalls, cutoff sleeves, big, rosy guy.
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Anyways, he died.
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Di Schiavi: While I was working
out the suicides that took place
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in Franklin's house, I'd
gotten a frantic call from Judy.
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She said the activity in her
house was getting a lot worse.
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I had no choice.
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I had to break the rules and
ask Amy to walk Judy's new home.
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Okay, I'll set it up.
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[Eerie music playing]
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There's...
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People. They've been called.
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They've been asked to come
into the back of the house.
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A walk requires an incredible
amount of my energy,
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and can wear me down for days.
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So doing a second walk that
soon took its toll on me.
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But it was the right thing
to do for our clients.
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My body doesn't feel comfortable here.
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It's like, you know...
[high-pitched screeching]
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This annoying hum.
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[Humming]
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I feel like there are two people
that have been having experiences.
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Is what's going on dangerous for them?
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Yeah.
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They've had nasty [Bleep] come in.
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Narrator: Next...
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It's some kind of demonic presence.
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It's scary.
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What happened after the investigation.
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I was really sweating bullets.
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Man: Our Father, who art in
heaven, hallowed be thy name.
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[Indistinct voices]
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[Indistinct voices]
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Amy, I want to introduce you
to three generations here.
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Frankie: When I was about to meet
Amy, I was really sweating bullets.
251
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But I had to stay strong
for everybody else.
252
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Big concern here is, is
it safe for Franco to stay.
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And have Judy and Frankie taken
something back to where they live now,
254
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and are they gonna be okay?
255
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So with that, Amy will start
and tell us about her walk.
256
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[Eerie music playing]
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Allan: The first thing that
I got was this little...
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Creature, and, um, it would
burrow into the ground.
259
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And it felt very, very negative.
260
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And then I saw these Creature
things out in the yard.
261
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They were like seven feet tall,
abnormally long arms, muscular.
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They were wearing masks.
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When I was a little kid,
I would go to bed uh...
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And in the dream, I would see just one
man standing there, wouldn't do nothing.
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He had a mask on, and I would
have that dream constantly.
266
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Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
267
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Okay, all right, I drew it.
268
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Allan: To help describe what I see during
my walk, I bring in a sketch artist.
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It's an important way to validate my
findings with Steve and our clients.
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Wow.
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Well, I think I'd be afraid if I saw
that in the middle of the night, too.
272
00:16:08,161 --> 00:16:11,721
The sketch... that was really trippy.
273
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It scared me because
just seeing it again...
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All those years of haunting me and then
all of a sudden seeing it in reality,
275
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that definitely, definitely
sent chills down my spine.
276
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Yeah, that's...
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Looks like him.
278
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It's scary.
279
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Frankie never got into detail of what
it was that he was seeing or dreaming of.
280
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When I saw that sketch,
I think it finally hit me.
281
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It wasn't a dream
anymore. It was real life.
282
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Okay, Amy, what else did you see?
283
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I saw this farmer.
284
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He lived here. I know he died here.
285
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He comes in the barn a lot,
and his name was Ed or Eddie.
286
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You're kidding.
287
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Ed or Eddie?
288
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Mm-hmm.
289
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The guy that I saw in the
house was very tall, lean...
290
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Uh... very old-fashionedly dressed.
291
00:17:09,927 --> 00:17:11,627
The original settler on this land,
292
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was a second-generation farmer
by the name of Eddie Smith.
293
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And he farmed this land
for probably 70 years.
294
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Now that looks more like
what I seen. [Laughs]
295
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He looked just like that.
I seen him with my own eyes.
296
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That's incredible.
297
00:17:32,340 --> 00:17:35,519
I'm amazed every time our
findings connect like that.
298
00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,512
But what Amy said
next just blew me away.
299
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The other person that I saw
was right here in this barn.
300
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He, like, was suicidal.
301
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I saw an old pistol, and
then I heard a gunshot.
302
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But I'm looking at these, and
I'm like, "he hung himself".
303
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She almost nailed this down to 100%.
304
00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:02,703
His son Raymond in 1961
committed suicide in this barn.
305
00:18:02,704 --> 00:18:04,548
Oh, my God.
306
00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:07,423
Apparently he didn't die right away...
307
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- Oh, my God.
- So he took a rope and then hung himself.
308
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Tell Amy what you saw that time.
309
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I look up at the barn, and
I notice this white figure...
310
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Peeking its head through the window,
but at the same time trying to hide,
311
00:18:23,368 --> 00:18:25,968
like he didn't want us
to know he was there.
312
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Frankie: It really did frighten me to know
that the man in the barn was actually real.
313
00:18:30,944 --> 00:18:36,844
I've never looked at the barn
ever since that in the same way.
314
00:18:37,511 --> 00:18:42,689
The other thing that I saw was
a child, a 5-year-old little boy.
315
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The child is not a child.
316
00:18:45,971 --> 00:18:49,537
It's some kind of demonic presence.
317
00:18:49,538 --> 00:18:55,288
And what it did to this family
was it caused two suicides.
318
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It probably influenced
them to do it and...
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Completely destroyed the family.
320
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Judy: My absolute worst fear was,
321
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that she was gonna discover something
is malevolent, is a Demon, and she did.
322
00:19:11,647 --> 00:19:16,001
Di Schiavi: Well, there's
obviously a lot going on here.
323
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Two biggest questions...
324
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Is it safe for Franco at this house.
325
00:19:20,670 --> 00:19:25,284
And did this thing follow you two guys
to your new home, and are you safe there?
326
00:19:25,285 --> 00:19:28,401
Allan: In your house, you guys
are getting an influx of random
327
00:19:28,402 --> 00:19:32,779
people and things coming in the
back door and the back window.
328
00:19:32,780 --> 00:19:37,453
But all you need to do
is bring in a holy man...
329
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Who will have a blessing
done and a sealing done.
330
00:19:40,852 --> 00:19:42,033
Okay.
331
00:19:42,034 --> 00:19:46,212
But this property, your situation
is a little bit different.
332
00:19:46,213 --> 00:19:50,661
You know, this thing's been here for
a long time, it can affect people.
333
00:19:50,662 --> 00:19:54,075
So you really need to
not only get the blessing,
334
00:19:54,076 --> 00:19:56,776
but also you need to bring in a Shaman.
335
00:19:56,777 --> 00:20:02,677
Who will seal up the property so that
the demonic thing can't get back in.
336
00:20:04,198 --> 00:20:08,333
My concern is that if you don't
take care of this, what could happen?
337
00:20:08,334 --> 00:20:10,466
Ooh, it'd be bad.
338
00:20:10,467 --> 00:20:13,107
It'll continue.
339
00:20:13,272 --> 00:20:18,312
So you're gonna take
Amy's advice and do this?
340
00:20:29,227 --> 00:20:35,127
When Amy said what had to be
done, I knew we had to take action.
341
00:20:37,218 --> 00:20:41,043
Get it done the right
way, get it done quick.
342
00:20:41,044 --> 00:20:44,570
Our Father, who art in
heaven, hallowed be thy name.
343
00:20:44,571 --> 00:20:47,948
Judy: The priest came into the
property and blessed our house.
344
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By the power of God, cast into
hell Satan and all evil spirits.
345
00:20:53,481 --> 00:20:55,605
May this blessing
remain upon this house,
346
00:20:55,606 --> 00:21:01,045
and upon all those who live
here now and forever, amen.
347
00:21:01,046 --> 00:21:06,863
Judy: The priest also left us with some
Bible verses that we need to recite.
348
00:21:06,864 --> 00:21:12,144
I do it every night to
continue to bless the home.
349
00:21:13,716 --> 00:21:16,440
Frankie: There are moments that I
still feel like I'm being watched.
350
00:21:16,441 --> 00:21:20,273
Occasionally, I will see something
out of the corner of my eye.
351
00:21:20,274 --> 00:21:24,947
When you see something like that, it
definitely makes your hair stand up.
352
00:21:24,948 --> 00:21:27,667
Judy: I don't think the
activity will ever end for good,
353
00:21:27,668 --> 00:21:32,708
and my worry for my son
will never end, either.
354
00:21:34,654 --> 00:21:38,691
The problem is my Father hasn't
done anything to his home yet.
355
00:21:38,692 --> 00:21:43,959
But we're hopeful that he will follow Amy's
advice, because the activity has subsided,
356
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,140
but it hasn't stopped.
357
00:21:47,968 --> 00:21:51,968
Now that Judy and Frankie have blessed
their home, the dead should stay away.
358
00:21:51,969 --> 00:21:57,042
At least for the time being, but
Franco's home is another story.
359
00:21:57,043 --> 00:22:00,005
Until the property is sealed,
I believe that the demon
360
00:22:00,006 --> 00:22:05,906
will be waiting for the right
moment to tear this family apart.
361
00:22:19,117 --> 00:22:20,797
Di Schiavi: When I
got the call from Kara,
362
00:22:20,798 --> 00:22:25,183
the Director of the Sampson Arts Council in
Clinton, North Carolina, she was desperate.
363
00:22:25,184 --> 00:22:27,396
Word had gotten out that
the place was haunted,
364
00:22:27,397 --> 00:22:31,577
and her staff and students were
terrified to even go into the building.
365
00:22:31,578 --> 00:22:35,158
And after what Amy and I revealed
about what was really going on there...
366
00:22:35,159 --> 00:22:38,741
I don't blame them for being scared.
367
00:22:38,742 --> 00:22:41,120
Di Schiavi: Well, Kara,
tell me what's going on.
368
00:22:41,121 --> 00:22:46,068
We've been having some experiences
here with volunteers hearing noises...
369
00:22:46,069 --> 00:22:50,129
Feeling something touch
them, and seeing apparitions.
370
00:22:50,130 --> 00:22:52,165
Let me ask you, what's
your biggest concern?
371
00:22:52,166 --> 00:22:55,409
We have a lot of kids who
come to take art classes,
372
00:22:55,410 --> 00:22:58,034
but their parents are
afraid to bring them up here.
373
00:22:58,035 --> 00:23:00,072
Because of the things that are going on.
374
00:23:00,073 --> 00:23:02,901
We might close down because of that.
375
00:23:02,902 --> 00:23:05,884
Kara: Not only were we in
jeopardy of losing volunteers,
376
00:23:05,885 --> 00:23:09,205
but, also, losing the
community's support.
377
00:23:09,206 --> 00:23:12,992
The Small House is the center
of our community for the arts.
378
00:23:12,993 --> 00:23:18,758
And if we had to leave this location,
it would just be devastating.
379
00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:21,494
Do you know who lived here before
the house became the art center?
380
00:23:21,495 --> 00:23:26,499
Well, Dr. Small was a general
practitioner here in Clinton.
381
00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:29,398
He left the house in his
will to the arts council,
382
00:23:29,399 --> 00:23:31,810
in hopes that it would
be used for arts purposes.
383
00:23:31,811 --> 00:23:37,038
And we're just here to
fulfill that dream for him.
384
00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:40,192
Would you stay overnight here alone?
385
00:23:40,193 --> 00:23:42,147
Probably not.
386
00:23:42,148 --> 00:23:48,048
Not too comfortable with this
house at night when it's dark.
387
00:24:03,069 --> 00:24:06,969
There's, like, a lot of sadness.
388
00:24:08,508 --> 00:24:11,266
There was an overwhelming amount
of negativity in that house,
389
00:24:11,267 --> 00:24:12,517
which is never good.
390
00:24:12,518 --> 00:24:17,999
And the first entity who approached me
had a warning that made my skin crawl.
391
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,838
There's a woman...
392
00:24:20,839 --> 00:24:24,379
And she's talking. [Moaning]
393
00:24:25,887 --> 00:24:31,787
The first thing she said when
she came up was "house of death".
394
00:24:33,798 --> 00:24:35,014
Narrator: Next...
395
00:24:35,015 --> 00:24:37,603
- So, what were they doing?
- A [Bleep] S?ance.
396
00:24:37,604 --> 00:24:40,072
Narrator:... Amy uncovers
the startling truth.
397
00:24:40,073 --> 00:24:43,776
The dead begin to resent the living.
398
00:24:43,777 --> 00:24:46,597
[Indistinct voices]
399
00:24:48,301 --> 00:24:51,121
[Indistinct voices]
400
00:24:55,295 --> 00:24:59,853
Di Schiavi: Amy and I were investigating
the Sampson Arts Council in North Carolina.
401
00:24:59,854 --> 00:25:03,206
The center's Director had serious
concerns that paranormal activity,
402
00:25:03,207 --> 00:25:06,602
was driving away her staff and students.
403
00:25:06,603 --> 00:25:09,041
So, Kara, why did you
bring me in this room?
404
00:25:09,042 --> 00:25:13,505
To show you the photos of Dr.
Small and his wife, Suzanne.
405
00:25:13,506 --> 00:25:18,119
The legend is if you were to switch the
photos and hang them facing each other...
406
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:23,340
Dr. Small comes and gently
places it on the floor.
407
00:25:24,266 --> 00:25:26,728
Okay, now, why would he want
'em facing the other way, though?
408
00:25:26,729 --> 00:25:30,130
Dr. Small and his wife didn't
get along, and he said...
409
00:25:30,131 --> 00:25:34,298
"I don't want to look at Suzanne
for the rest of eternity".
410
00:25:34,299 --> 00:25:36,628
Kara: During the daytime,
I feel comfortable here,
411
00:25:36,629 --> 00:25:40,682
but at night, when it gets dark,
I don't want to be here by myself.
412
00:25:40,683 --> 00:25:46,583
This house just has a feeling about
it, like Dr. Small is lurking around.
413
00:25:47,424 --> 00:25:50,420
Sounds like you've got a lot of activity
here, from what you're telling me.
414
00:25:50,421 --> 00:25:54,022
We've had a couple of other
groups to come in and investigate.
415
00:25:54,023 --> 00:25:56,388
- What do you mean, like Ghost Hunters?
- Yeah.
416
00:25:56,389 --> 00:25:59,217
They've tried to talk with the dead but,
417
00:25:59,218 --> 00:26:02,453
we haven't really had
much result from them.
418
00:26:02,454 --> 00:26:03,636
Okay.
419
00:26:03,637 --> 00:26:06,840
Di Schiavi: We weren't the first ones
Kara called in to help with their problems,
420
00:26:06,841 --> 00:26:10,681
but we were definitely the last.
421
00:26:10,821 --> 00:26:12,783
There's a round table.
422
00:26:12,784 --> 00:26:16,144
People are sitting around.
423
00:26:17,101 --> 00:26:19,984
Anderson: So, what were they doing?
424
00:26:19,985 --> 00:26:22,148
A [Bleep] S?ance.
425
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:24,215
They're holding hands...
426
00:26:24,216 --> 00:26:29,470
"Is anybody here? Can we talk to
anybody? Why are you doing these things?"
427
00:26:29,471 --> 00:26:33,828
I was so angry. It was bad enough that
the house was full of dead people...
428
00:26:33,829 --> 00:26:36,990
But to bring in a bunch of thrill
seekers to try and clear them out,
429
00:26:36,991 --> 00:26:39,233
only made things worse.
430
00:26:39,234 --> 00:26:42,854
So how would a s?ance
affect the dead here?
431
00:26:42,855 --> 00:26:46,099
The dead begin to resent the living.
432
00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:52,000
How would you like it if people kept
coming in your home and [Bleep] with you?
433
00:26:55,967 --> 00:26:58,374
Di Schiavi: Next, I met
with a former employee.
434
00:26:58,375 --> 00:27:01,845
So far, she was the only witness
that had actually seen something.
435
00:27:01,846 --> 00:27:07,746
And after we spoke, I started to get a
pretty good idea of who I needed to find.
436
00:27:11,889 --> 00:27:14,490
Meredith, I understand
you had some experiences.
437
00:27:14,491 --> 00:27:18,486
When I was maybe 5 or 6,
I was here for a party.
438
00:27:18,487 --> 00:27:21,855
And a figure came from
that door over there,
439
00:27:21,856 --> 00:27:25,335
and walked through the
railing and down the stairway.
440
00:27:25,336 --> 00:27:27,704
- You mean like an apparition?
- Yes.
441
00:27:27,705 --> 00:27:30,406
It was a man, maybe 40s or 50s.
442
00:27:30,407 --> 00:27:33,235
What about now, how are
you feeling being here now?
443
00:27:33,236 --> 00:27:37,616
There's no way I'd be here by myself.
444
00:27:39,879 --> 00:27:44,955
There's like this guy who's really
depressed, and he wears a dark suit.
445
00:27:44,956 --> 00:27:46,973
He's kind of tall.
446
00:27:46,974 --> 00:27:50,921
I think that he's been seen,
and I think that he's been heard.
447
00:27:50,922 --> 00:27:53,788
When I first saw that
depressed man, I thought...
448
00:27:53,789 --> 00:27:57,622
"Maybe he could help me figure
out what happened in the house".
449
00:27:57,623 --> 00:28:03,523
But the moment he started speaking, I knew
that help was the last thing on his mind.
450
00:28:07,912 --> 00:28:11,126
- Anderson: You all right?
- No.
451
00:28:11,127 --> 00:28:17,027
This man is, like, preaching,
and it's, like, really disturbing.
452
00:28:17,163 --> 00:28:20,056
Like he's getting off on death.
453
00:28:20,057 --> 00:28:24,677
People are, like,
freaking the [Bleep] out.
454
00:28:26,197 --> 00:28:29,466
Di Schiavi: At this point, it was
clear a lot was happening in the house.
455
00:28:29,467 --> 00:28:33,199
But it wasn't till I spoke to one of the
center's current volunteers that I realized
456
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:39,100
what kind of impact the building was
having on people's health and their sanity.
457
00:28:43,814 --> 00:28:47,450
So, Ashley, I was wondering if you
ever had any strange experiences here.
458
00:28:47,451 --> 00:28:52,128
Um yes, the bathroom right
up here I won't go in at all.
459
00:28:52,129 --> 00:28:54,690
- Why?
- Whenever I go in there, I get chills.
460
00:28:54,691 --> 00:28:58,604
- It makes me physically sick.
- All right, you know what? Come with me.
461
00:28:58,605 --> 00:29:01,479
I know you're scared, but just come
with me for a second, all right?
462
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,097
Okay. How are you feeling?
463
00:29:04,098 --> 00:29:08,190
Just seeing it this close
is getting me a little upset.
464
00:29:08,191 --> 00:29:10,176
- Ooh, you're really shaking.
- Mm-hmm.
465
00:29:10,177 --> 00:29:13,810
- You all right?
- Just uneasy being near this bathroom.
466
00:29:13,811 --> 00:29:16,777
All right, come on.
Let's go back out here.
467
00:29:16,778 --> 00:29:20,205
Can you describe what you
physically just went through?
468
00:29:20,206 --> 00:29:25,185
Shaky, trembly, it's a feeling
that I don't ever want to feel ever.
469
00:29:25,186 --> 00:29:28,058
Would you stay overnight in any
other part of the house here?
470
00:29:28,059 --> 00:29:30,639
Absolutely not.
471
00:29:32,685 --> 00:29:33,698
Narrator: Next...
472
00:29:33,699 --> 00:29:35,498
Is anything unusual in this will?
473
00:29:35,499 --> 00:29:37,367
Narrator:... the bodies
start stacking up.
474
00:29:37,368 --> 00:29:39,802
Sliced his throat right at the jugular.
475
00:29:39,803 --> 00:29:42,372
Narrator: And what happened
after the investigation?
476
00:29:42,373 --> 00:29:44,574
I had an uneasy feeling.
477
00:29:44,575 --> 00:29:47,395
[Indistinct voices]
478
00:29:49,443 --> 00:29:52,263
[Indistinct voices]
479
00:29:57,785 --> 00:29:59,756
Di Schiavi: The Sampson
Arts Council got started,
480
00:29:59,757 --> 00:30:02,722
when a local Doctor donated his
home to the County in his will.
481
00:30:02,723 --> 00:30:06,246
By most accounts, Dr. Small
seemed like a decent guy.
482
00:30:06,247 --> 00:30:08,591
But after talking to the
lawyer who drew up his will,
483
00:30:08,592 --> 00:30:14,492
I got the impression that the Doctor
might have been hiding a few secrets.
484
00:30:19,142 --> 00:30:22,096
Di Schiavi: Dr. Small... what
can you tell me about him?
485
00:30:22,097 --> 00:30:24,382
Dr. Small uh...
486
00:30:24,383 --> 00:30:27,238
Certainly was a unique personality...
487
00:30:27,239 --> 00:30:28,381
To say the least.
488
00:30:28,382 --> 00:30:32,774
I think he was eccentric,
in some respects.
489
00:30:32,775 --> 00:30:34,720
So, Gene, you actually wrote his will?
490
00:30:34,721 --> 00:30:38,768
Yes, I did. I have a copy of it here.
491
00:30:38,769 --> 00:30:40,860
Is anything unusual in this will?
492
00:30:40,861 --> 00:30:43,767
Well, he didn't provide for his wife.
493
00:30:43,768 --> 00:30:47,549
I do recall that... I think
they slept in separate bedrooms.
494
00:30:47,550 --> 00:30:50,486
As I understand, they had
separate bank accounts.
495
00:30:50,487 --> 00:30:54,483
And when he would talk, it was
always in first person singular.
496
00:30:54,484 --> 00:30:57,784
He would never say "we".
497
00:31:01,748 --> 00:31:04,750
It's like... I want to
say, like, there's a Doctor.
498
00:31:04,751 --> 00:31:08,951
Like, he knows a lot about the body.
499
00:31:09,343 --> 00:31:11,891
And, like, pressure points.
500
00:31:11,892 --> 00:31:15,544
You feel the pressure, and
then you'll feel, like...
501
00:31:15,545 --> 00:31:20,453
Like you want to pass out or whatever,
because he's pushing these points.
502
00:31:20,454 --> 00:31:24,495
I could see that the Doctor had
learned many techniques to cause pain.
503
00:31:24,496 --> 00:31:28,096
And at night, when he could
hide under the cover of darkness,
504
00:31:28,097 --> 00:31:33,213
he enjoyed using those
skills to torture the living.
505
00:31:33,214 --> 00:31:36,986
He knows where to touch, like the
spots to make headaches come on,
506
00:31:36,987 --> 00:31:41,787
to make people feel
like they can't breathe.
507
00:31:41,881 --> 00:31:45,301
I don't like him at all.
508
00:31:48,896 --> 00:31:51,249
Di Schiavi: Dr. Small told
Gene that the guy who owned
509
00:31:51,250 --> 00:31:53,880
the house in the early
1900s had killed himself.
510
00:31:53,881 --> 00:31:57,103
In those days, public records
of suicide were scarce.
511
00:31:57,104 --> 00:32:03,004
Fortunately, a local reporter was able to
help me track down the gruesome details.
512
00:32:06,813 --> 00:32:10,563
Dr. Leeman Matthews was our
Superintendent of Public Schools,
513
00:32:10,564 --> 00:32:15,055
here in Samson County
from 1907 until 1918.
514
00:32:15,056 --> 00:32:16,838
What about the suicide?
515
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:20,379
It was, probably very messy.
516
00:32:20,724 --> 00:32:23,438
According to the death certificate...
517
00:32:23,439 --> 00:32:28,695
He had locked himself in the
bathroom upstairs, in the bathtub...
518
00:32:28,696 --> 00:32:32,305
And sliced his throat,
right at the jugular.
519
00:32:32,306 --> 00:32:34,077
Okay.
520
00:32:34,078 --> 00:32:36,246
Jeff, did he have a
history of depression?
521
00:32:36,247 --> 00:32:38,670
Not that we've been able
to find any evidence of.
522
00:32:38,671 --> 00:32:43,591
It just seemed to all
come across very sudden.
523
00:32:45,419 --> 00:32:49,889
Allan: You know what's weird is there's
dead bodies like all over the place?
524
00:32:49,890 --> 00:32:51,735
What do you mean? Can you describe them?
525
00:32:51,736 --> 00:32:57,376
They're just dead people,
laying around in random places.
526
00:32:58,107 --> 00:33:02,187
The darkness is just very bad here.
527
00:33:03,548 --> 00:33:09,188
There's this male lurking
in the dark who can hurt you.
528
00:33:10,877 --> 00:33:16,037
He lives in the dark, and
he [Bleep] with people.
529
00:33:16,984 --> 00:33:19,431
Di Schiavi: I already had two
deaths tied to The Small House.
530
00:33:19,432 --> 00:33:21,693
And after sitting down
with another historian,
531
00:33:21,694 --> 00:33:24,232
it seemed like everyone who
lived there died tragically.
532
00:33:24,233 --> 00:33:25,581
By the end of that interview,
533
00:33:25,582 --> 00:33:31,042
I was determined to make
sure it didn't happen again.
534
00:33:34,835 --> 00:33:40,173
Abraham Hobbs was born into a well-to-do
family in northern Sampson County.
535
00:33:40,174 --> 00:33:43,582
Abraham joined the
Confederate Army in 1862.
536
00:33:43,583 --> 00:33:48,080
And just after the end of the war, he
went on to become a gentleman farmer.
537
00:33:48,081 --> 00:33:51,050
What about family? Did he have
wife, kids? What's the story?
538
00:33:51,051 --> 00:33:53,230
Abraham and his wife had six children.
539
00:33:53,231 --> 00:33:57,164
And the focus of the house would
likely have been on the children,
540
00:33:57,165 --> 00:34:00,726
the gospel, faith, and their education.
541
00:34:00,727 --> 00:34:03,163
- So he was a religious man?
- That's right.
542
00:34:03,164 --> 00:34:05,200
Who died on the property?
Do you have any idea?
543
00:34:05,201 --> 00:34:08,949
We know that one of his
daughters died in the 1880s.
544
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:12,730
His wife, Lizzie, died in 1897.
545
00:34:12,839 --> 00:34:17,939
And his half-brother died
in the house, as well.
546
00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:24,384
This depressed man... he
owned this place for sure.
547
00:34:24,385 --> 00:34:29,005
He was preaching, and
he's, like, yelling.
548
00:34:29,158 --> 00:34:33,614
He had a room that was dark and small...
549
00:34:33,615 --> 00:34:38,264
And that he would do things
to human bodies there.
550
00:34:38,265 --> 00:34:40,623
[Woman screams]
551
00:34:40,624 --> 00:34:46,144
I think he was interested
in, like, what morticians do.
552
00:34:46,204 --> 00:34:49,209
I think this guy was
really fixated on death.
553
00:34:49,210 --> 00:34:51,377
[Whispering] I don't like him.
554
00:34:51,378 --> 00:34:52,712
Narrator: Coming up...
555
00:34:52,713 --> 00:34:55,119
I don't really think it's safe here.
556
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,082
Wow.
557
00:34:56,083 --> 00:34:57,517
Secrets come to light...
558
00:34:57,518 --> 00:34:59,322
This is a lot of pressure for you.
559
00:34:59,323 --> 00:35:00,386
And the living...
560
00:35:00,387 --> 00:35:02,154
Woman: I would like to know...
561
00:35:02,155 --> 00:35:03,289
Confront the dead.
562
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:05,358
What it will take for you to leave.
563
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:08,777
Next on "Dead Files Revisited".
564
00:35:08,778 --> 00:35:11,598
[Indistinct voices]
565
00:35:12,946 --> 00:35:15,766
[Indistinct voices]
566
00:35:30,948 --> 00:35:36,658
This is Kara. She is the Executive Director
of the Sampson County arts council.
567
00:35:36,659 --> 00:35:38,797
Kara: Going into the reveal...
568
00:35:38,798 --> 00:35:42,102
I had an uneasy feeling about
what was about to happen.
569
00:35:42,103 --> 00:35:44,268
We hadn't had any contact with Amy,
570
00:35:44,269 --> 00:35:48,863
so the buildup about what
she saw was overwhelming.
571
00:35:48,864 --> 00:35:53,290
Kara's worried about possibly
having to shut the place down.
572
00:35:53,291 --> 00:35:56,765
Meredith used to volunteer here.
She doesn't do it any longer.
573
00:35:56,766 --> 00:35:58,967
Ashley does volunteer here.
574
00:35:58,968 --> 00:36:01,436
She doesn't even want to
be in this house alone.
575
00:36:01,437 --> 00:36:06,934
So, Amy, why don't we start out
by you talking about your walk?
576
00:36:06,935 --> 00:36:11,173
Allan: I encountered
this one entity who um...
577
00:36:11,174 --> 00:36:13,550
Knows, like, pressure points.
578
00:36:13,551 --> 00:36:17,151
So I thought he's a Doctor.
579
00:36:18,345 --> 00:36:20,022
Di Schiavi: It's funny
you mention Doctor,
580
00:36:20,023 --> 00:36:24,538
because one of the previous
owners was a Dr. Small.
581
00:36:24,539 --> 00:36:30,439
I mean, he was considered a nice guy,
a gentle guy, but he hated his wife.
582
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,031
Kara: It was just amazing
to me that Amy saw Dr. Small.
583
00:36:35,032 --> 00:36:39,341
And that it matched the
history that we have here.
584
00:36:39,342 --> 00:36:43,159
And then what Amy said was frightening.
585
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:49,017
I don't really think it's safe
here at night because of him.
586
00:36:49,018 --> 00:36:52,258
That's when he attacks.
587
00:36:54,924 --> 00:36:56,291
Okay, what else?
588
00:36:56,292 --> 00:37:00,912
So I was upstairs,
and I saw dead bodies.
589
00:37:00,948 --> 00:37:03,391
So you're talking about the top
of the stairs by the bathroom.
590
00:37:03,392 --> 00:37:05,418
It was in front of the bathroom.
591
00:37:05,419 --> 00:37:07,947
This is a good time for
Ashley to tell you about
592
00:37:07,948 --> 00:37:10,905
how she gets when she
goes near that bathroom.
593
00:37:10,906 --> 00:37:13,160
Ashley: The first time
I walked in the bathroom,
594
00:37:13,161 --> 00:37:17,545
I took two steps in and
got shaky, stomach hurts.
595
00:37:17,546 --> 00:37:20,373
It feels like, you know,
a true feeling of dread.
596
00:37:20,374 --> 00:37:22,327
I'm getting shaky talking
about it right now.
597
00:37:22,328 --> 00:37:24,531
There was a guy that used to
live here before Dr. Small,
598
00:37:24,532 --> 00:37:27,122
by the name of Leeman Matthews.
599
00:37:27,123 --> 00:37:29,447
Never had issues.
600
00:37:29,448 --> 00:37:32,668
He took a straight razor
and cut his jugular open,
601
00:37:32,669 --> 00:37:36,098
and bled to death in the bathtub.
602
00:37:36,099 --> 00:37:38,889
How do you feel about that
now that you know that?
603
00:37:38,890 --> 00:37:40,755
It's a little shocking.
604
00:37:40,756 --> 00:37:44,048
Kara: I feel like Ashley
felt a sense of relief...
605
00:37:44,049 --> 00:37:49,238
In that Amy felt the same way when
she went into the bathroom upstairs.
606
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:54,049
But she also felt more
afraid in that it was real.
607
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:56,640
Okay, let's continue with
the rest of your walk.
608
00:37:56,641 --> 00:38:02,541
One of the people that I did come into
contact with was a very depressed man.
609
00:38:02,715 --> 00:38:08,612
Very, very sad about the war,
and he was also preaching a lot.
610
00:38:08,613 --> 00:38:11,897
He would go into, like, rants.
611
00:38:11,898 --> 00:38:15,738
I saw a figure walk out of the room...
612
00:38:15,739 --> 00:38:19,866
Walk towards the stairway, through
the banister and down the stairs.
613
00:38:19,867 --> 00:38:21,502
Hmm.
614
00:38:21,503 --> 00:38:25,855
Well, one of the original owners of
this place was a guy named Abraham Hobbs.
615
00:38:25,856 --> 00:38:28,296
He was a Confederate soldier.
The thing about Hobbs...
616
00:38:28,297 --> 00:38:33,677
He was pretty religious and
very involved in the church here.
617
00:38:33,678 --> 00:38:35,933
The depressed man that I saw...
618
00:38:35,934 --> 00:38:41,535
He was the one who would put
the dead people around the house.
619
00:38:41,536 --> 00:38:47,382
And he's the one who's responsible for
turning the house into the house of death.
620
00:38:47,383 --> 00:38:50,831
And I'm getting concerned about
what might have happened here...
621
00:38:50,832 --> 00:38:53,506
- Okay.
- Or is happening here.
622
00:38:53,507 --> 00:38:58,155
Kara: I was really concerned when Amy said
that it was dangerous for us to be here.
623
00:38:58,156 --> 00:39:03,676
You know, just wondering
about, would we have to leave?
624
00:39:03,748 --> 00:39:07,381
Di Schiavi: The most pressing
question is, Kara, is it safe...
625
00:39:07,382 --> 00:39:09,557
For you to keep this place open?
626
00:39:09,558 --> 00:39:12,744
For that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
627
00:39:12,745 --> 00:39:16,944
The first thing is to contact what
I like to call a living medium.
628
00:39:16,945 --> 00:39:21,214
Which is someone who connects
the living with the dead.
629
00:39:21,215 --> 00:39:25,592
They're going to connect Dr.
Small hopefully with his lawyer,
630
00:39:25,593 --> 00:39:28,519
who can be his representative still.
631
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,040
Then Leeman...
632
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:37,980
The best thing there would be the
same type of scenario with you.
633
00:39:38,029 --> 00:39:41,391
Then contact a death medium, like me,
634
00:39:41,392 --> 00:39:46,322
who can come in and do a cleansing
from top to bottom, inside and out.
635
00:39:46,323 --> 00:39:52,009
If this is done properly, it should get
rid of all the entities that are here.
636
00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:55,295
Listen, are you okay? This
is a lot of pressure for you.
637
00:39:55,296 --> 00:39:58,375
I'm a little overwhelmed.
I'm not gonna lie.
638
00:39:58,376 --> 00:40:02,846
If you do do this, and you're strong
enough to do it, kids could come back.
639
00:40:02,847 --> 00:40:05,775
Now, are you gonna be able to
follow through with all this,
640
00:40:05,776 --> 00:40:09,016
and help out with this?
641
00:40:21,097 --> 00:40:23,164
Kara: Since the investigation,
642
00:40:23,165 --> 00:40:26,688
Ashley's been too afraid to
come back to The Small House,
643
00:40:26,689 --> 00:40:32,029
and to be a part of the
cleansing with the mediums.
644
00:40:32,541 --> 00:40:35,444
So I took matters into my own hands.
645
00:40:35,445 --> 00:40:37,479
I brought in two mediums...
646
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,484
I ask for insight and guidance
and clarity as to why you're here.
647
00:40:42,485 --> 00:40:48,065
And Mr. Gene Thompson to
hopefully release the spirits...
648
00:40:49,627 --> 00:40:51,659
And cleanse the building.
649
00:40:51,660 --> 00:40:55,351
On just a regular day, I'm
afraid to be here at night.
650
00:40:55,352 --> 00:40:59,013
But to know that I had to come
back and communicate with the dead,
651
00:40:59,014 --> 00:41:01,973
was just totally frightening.
652
00:41:01,974 --> 00:41:06,414
I would like to know why you're here...
653
00:41:06,442 --> 00:41:09,822
And what it would take for
you to be free to leave.
654
00:41:09,823 --> 00:41:15,550
But I had a sense of relief as
she went through her processes.
655
00:41:15,551 --> 00:41:20,231
I knew a fix was
coming. I could feel it.
656
00:41:21,604 --> 00:41:26,661
Then, another medium and I went through and
cleansed every single inch of this house.
657
00:41:26,662 --> 00:41:29,482
[Indistinct voices]
658
00:41:30,158 --> 00:41:35,110
I felt like every spirit
in here was just lifted out.
659
00:41:35,111 --> 00:41:39,575
The spirits have gone now.
May they rest in peace.
660
00:41:39,576 --> 00:41:45,476
I immediately felt an easy feeling,
a feeling that they'd really moved on.
661
00:41:48,002 --> 00:41:51,691
The Small House dates back to 1854.
662
00:41:51,692 --> 00:41:55,653
Now that the house is cleansed
and the spirits are released,
663
00:41:55,654 --> 00:41:58,587
we know that the arts
council will continue on
664
00:41:58,588 --> 00:42:03,135
in providing arts
programming for the community.
665
00:42:03,136 --> 00:42:06,922
I hope that Ashley will come
back and start volunteering again,
666
00:42:06,923 --> 00:42:10,763
and that she'll feel safe here.
667
00:42:12,875 --> 00:42:16,015
Allan: I'm impressed that Kara
accepted this responsibility,
668
00:42:16,016 --> 00:42:18,746
and took control of
this difficult cleanse.
669
00:42:18,747 --> 00:42:21,562
The decision to stand
in for Ashley was risky,
670
00:42:21,563 --> 00:42:26,484
but from what I hear, the dead within
the Small House are finally free.
671
00:42:26,485 --> 00:42:32,385
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