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There's this darkness.
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And it makes me feel sick.
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I started to feel like
I was being choked.
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Very, very painful.
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[ Woman screams ]
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I've been pushed down the steps.
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Some kind of physical abuse.
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They could have been dismembered.
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Does not want us here at all.
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It's just waiting to just tear us apart.
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There are secrets here that
some don't want discovered.
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They're being watched.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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This thing likes death.
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I see dead people.
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This thing's, like, a monster.
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I speak to dead people.
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And he's pissed off now.
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And they speak to me.
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His head was cracked.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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This guy was murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired
New York City homicide Detective.
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I cannot help you unless
I know the whole story.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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You saw her?
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Why would you stay here?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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[ Echoing ] Stop it.
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We uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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Woman: I want to know the truth.
I want to know what's happening.
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Or time to get out.
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[ Crying ] I told you there
were ghosts in this house.
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Di Schiavi: Amy and I work the same
case, but from two separate angles.
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I gather witness testimony and uncover
secrets about the property's past.
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While Amy communicates with the dead.
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I'm in Buchanan, Virginia, about
30 minutes north of Roanoke.
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We've been called in by
a scared mom named Tysha.
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She tells me that whatever's on her
property is attacking her family,
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and making everyone sick.
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Hopefully, Amy and I can
get some answers for her.
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Anderson: Before Amy arrives, I need to
clear the area of any leading information.
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This house is filled with photos of a
young family, so I need to remove them all.
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To avoid influencing
Amy during her walk.
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Allan: This place is really busy.
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There's, like, a ton of [Bleep]
people around that are dead.
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Like, how many?
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I would count, like, 15
people that were walking by.
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There's a lot of pain and despair here.
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- Around the whole property.
- Okay.
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I think something bad happened in there.
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Di Schiavi: You know, Tysha, this
kitchen doesn't look lived in.
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What's the story?
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The activity in the house
just became outrageous,
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and it just became too
much for our family.
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And we decided to build a
modular house three years ago.
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Is that the other structure
that I saw driving up?
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Yes, Sir.
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Okay, so let me ask you a question, did
it get better when you moved over there?
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No, not at all.
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So, give me an idea. What happened
while you were living in this house?
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We have everything from, like,
seeing apparitions and noises.
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I've actually been choked before.
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And I have nightmares all the time.
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I cannot sleep.
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On the phone, you said this
was affecting your health.
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Yes, Sir.
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The doctor said that he had
diagnosed me with a chronic
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pain condition called
Fibromyalgia, and...
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My pain was just so amplified,
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I was getting to where I
couldn't function at all.
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Now, what about everybody else, are
they getting affected health-wise?
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My two children... I have a
middle son that has Asperger's.
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- And my little one has autism.
- Oh, geez.
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- All right. So you got your hands full.
- Yes.
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Do you know any history
about this place?
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- We think it was built in 1847.
- Wow.
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My father-in-law lived here as
a bachelor for a very long time.
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Now, is your husband's
father still alive?
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No, Sir. He passed away.
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Okay. I'm sorry to hear
that. Did he ever mention...
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Oh, yes.
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- He did?
- Yes, Sir.
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And what did he make of it?
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I think he had a lot
of fear of things, too.
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- He did?
- Yes, Sir.
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Did you and your husband ever
consider moving off the property?
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Financially, it would be
impossible for us to move.
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And I would never be able to do
that. It would break my heart.
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Okay.
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So, do you want to move back into
this house if we could help fix things?
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Yes.
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It seems like there were
a lot of people here.
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It's stressful.
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Very stressful.
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[ Chuckles ]
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That would not be good.
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This place is crawling with dead people,
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who have the ability to affect
the living in horrific ways.
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And I think it would make you terribly
ill, terribly ill to live here.
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And it makes me feel sick.
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[ Door slams ]
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What sort of stuff do you think
people would experience here?
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Men's voices.
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Arguing.
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Seeing apparitions.
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Tysha: Watch your step.
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Geez, you weren't kidding.
This really is a dungeon.
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This is probably the worst place.
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I just do not come down here.
I have terrible feelings...
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Just dread, sadness, um, pain.
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We were told, actually, that
slaves were kept down here, as well.
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- Down here?
- Yes, Sir.
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- Have you ever seen anything down here?
- I've seen apparitions. Yes, Sir.
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I've seen a man with, like, dark pants,
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and he just kind of
walked across the floor...
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And just disappeared.
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So, what are you actually
feeling right now?
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Uh, really nauseous, kind
of light-headed and dizzy.
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All right, you know what,
let's get the hell out of here.
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Okay.
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I see a lot of black men who
are dead, who are lined up,
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and somebody's throwing water on them.
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Like, just throwing
water on their bodies.
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In particular, there's a woman...
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A black woman... who's...
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Splashing the water on them.
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Does not want us here at all.
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I don't think there are people
here who like white people.
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Like, get out.
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[ Door creaks ]
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I just feel very
uncomfortable, and um...
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Like...
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I feel like she can do stuff.
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Could she be dangerous?
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I think so.
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So, what happened here?
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This is the most active part
of the house that we have.
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One night, I was up here by
myself and I had fell asleep.
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The bed started vibrating, and then I
started to feel like I was being choked.
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It was like somebody was
sitting on top of my chest,
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pressing down with their two
thumbs on my adam's apple.
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Was your husband in bed with you?
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- No. He was downstairs.
- Okay.
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Well, anything else happen up here?
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The scariest thing that
probably ever happened,
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my son River... he was seven days old...
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And I actually fell down the steps...
it was like I was being pushed...
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And had him in my arms.
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- Did he get hurt?
- No.
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I just grabbed onto him as hard as I could
and just went down the steps on my back.
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Did you get hurt?
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I had some bruises on my
bottom and my back. Yes, I did.
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Now, you mentioned that some of
the stuff that's happened here
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- is happening in the new house.
- Yes, Sir.
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I'm gonna have to go and take a look
so you can show me where it's going on.
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- That's fine.
- Okay.
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Now, Tysha, you mentioned you're in
this new house, what, three years?
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Yes. Going on three years, yes.
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- And nothing's gotten better?
- Tysha: No, nothing's gotten better.
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Exactly the same thing that has went
on at the old house goes on over here.
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I still have the activity
of the pushing on the bed.
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How heavy are we talking? Like...
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Like a child would be jumping
from the head to the foot.
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- Like a small child jumping on the bed?
- Yeah, yeah.
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So, basically, all the [Bleep] people,
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that were over at the
other place came over here.
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So, there's just, like,
this one kid who...
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Jumps around.
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And the other one follows him.
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[ Children laughing ]
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And they kind of, like...
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They attempt to be seen.
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They're all over the house.
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So, what about the kids? Are
they experiencing anything, or...
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Yes, my son Blaze. He keeps talking about
seeing the same little boy apparition.
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Describe it to me.
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Blaze said he has a white shirt
that buttons up with overalls.
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- Okay, have you seen it?
- I haven't seen the little boy.
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It's pretty bad when, you know, you
think you're gonna build a new home
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and have, maybe, a new beginning, and
the same things are still going on.
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A black woman hates me so much.
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[ Sighs ]
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I'm in, like, a lot of pain here.
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Very, very painful.
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Very, very, very painful.
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What kind of pain?
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There was something about her head...
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Her neck, and her back, and it's...
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Are you afraid of her?
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I'm not really allowed to talk about it.
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Allan: I'm in, like, a lot of pain here.
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What kind of pain?
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Something about her head,
her neck, and her back.
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Are you afraid of her?
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I'm not really allowed to talk about it.
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Why can't you talk about it?
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She has a way of preventing it.
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This black woman wants to communicate
to the living what's happened to her,
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but she says she doesn't
trust me because I'm white.
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She also has this bizarre ability
I've never encountered before,
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and it makes it impossible for me to
reveal details of her painful life.
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I've never felt...
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So much hatred.
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Di Schiavi: So, Troy, I
was talking to your wife.
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She said that you grew
up on the property.
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Troy: Yes, Sir. I've been on the property
pretty much since I came into the world.
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Okay.
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So, what have you experienced up here?
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Well, we put all new drywall in, and
we had it stacked up against the wall.
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And it started to shift over onto me.
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And I spun around to try and get
out from there, and I jumped...
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And it all came down and smashed me down
and pinned this foot down to the ground.
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That's a lot of weight.
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And excruciating pain.
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And my son had walked in
right as that was going on.
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That's why it was scaring me so much.
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Could have killed me.
It could have killed him.
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So, this drywall couldn't
have got just pushed?
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- Like, I mean...
- No. I mean, I'm a brick mason.
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- I deal around construction all the time.
- All right.
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So, what else have you
experienced up here?
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I've been pushed down the steps.
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Busted my arm up pretty good.
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Tysha told me she got pushed
when she was holding the baby.
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Tysha also got pushed,
same place, same step.
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So, when you got pushed, did you
feel like somebody shoved you?
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Yeah, it did. Did feel like somebody
pushed right in the small of the back.
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A good boom.
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Well, I'm hoping that we can get
some answers to what's going on,
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what's causing it, and how to stop it.
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Yeah, before something bad
happens to one of the kids.
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Okay.
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The black lady...
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She says, basically...
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That she's given warnings.
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What kind of warnings has she given?
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Like, there's been some
kind of physical abuse.
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Towards the adults.
247
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Like what?
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I feel like she... like, hitting...
249
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Making them feel pain suddenly.
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She's not a very tolerant person.
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[ Chuckles ]
252
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Di Schiavi: So, why'd
you bring me in this room?
253
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I was relaxing on the sofa, and I
seen a big, big mist right here...
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A blackish-colored mist.
255
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And I've seen that same
mist throughout the house.
256
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And you've seen that
since you were a young man?
257
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I was 8 or 10 the first
time that I'd seen it.
258
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And now you're seeing
it again as an adult?
259
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Yeah.
260
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You guys are the first people that
I've talked about this besides my wife.
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Okay.
262
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Now, talking to Tysha,
she feels that her physical
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ailment was actually
brought on by the house.
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- Do you believe that?
- Yeah.
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At first, it wasn't too bad.
266
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It seemed like the longer we were here,
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her health just slowly
started going down, you know?
268
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I mean, you could look at her and see
she don't look like she's in bad shape,
269
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but she's in a lot of pain.
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Do you ever think about just moving?
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That really, honestly, never
crossed my mind or anything
272
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because it's something
I hold dear to my heart.
273
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This place had been in
my family for so, so long.
274
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And I've fought tooth and nail,
and Tysha has fought tooth and nail,
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to keep the property.
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And you have the two boys you want to...
277
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Pass the property on to?
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[ Sniffles ]
279
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Now, what are you hoping for
at the end of the investigation?
280
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What are you hoping we can get for you?
281
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Just to get straightened out.
282
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[ Sighs ]
283
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Figure out what's going on.
284
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[ Sniffles ]
285
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- [ Voice breaking ] I need a minute.
- Okay.
286
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There's, like, no
redeeming quality here...
287
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For this place.
288
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It just shouldn't...
shouldn't be anymore, period.
289
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I don't think that the
dead people that are here
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want this place to
really even exist anymore.
291
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Why?
292
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I don't know. They get [Bleep] agitated.
293
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[ Man screams ]
294
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And they're yelling, burn
this [Bleep] to the ground!
295
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Tysha told me that she thinks her
property used to be a big slave plantation.
296
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I'm on my way to meet with a local
genealogist to see if this is really true,
297
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or a local legend.
298
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Is it true that the property I'm
investigating was a plantation at one time?
299
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- It was.
- Okay.
300
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They raised tobacco.
301
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And slaves lived a very hard life.
302
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They were fed very little.
They got up early in the day.
303
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They worked all day long,
from daylight till dark.
304
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What about medical treatment?
305
00:17:55,867 --> 00:17:58,860
There was probably not
very much medical treatment,
306
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for the slave or the landowner because
medicine wasn't like it is today.
307
00:18:03,603 --> 00:18:06,791
Do we know who owned the first plantation
on the property I'm investigating?
308
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- The Burks family.
- And how many slaves did they have?
309
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- We show that there were 60.
- And how do we know that?
310
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Well, I have this
document here from 1855.
311
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And it talks about the slaves
that he owned in his inventory.
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10 years old, 11 years old.
313
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Were they ever educated?
314
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They were not schooled.
315
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As soon as they were old enough to walk,
they were probably working, as well.
316
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If they died on the property, would
they bury them on the property?
317
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Yes.
318
00:18:44,872 --> 00:18:49,972
There's a lot of black
boys... like, young boys.
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Like, I'd say 12 and under.
320
00:18:53,969 --> 00:18:58,083
I do see, like, a school of some sort...
321
00:18:58,084 --> 00:19:00,424
Very small.
322
00:19:00,572 --> 00:19:02,958
But I don't think...
323
00:19:02,959 --> 00:19:05,691
The black kids would...
324
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Would be being taught anything.
325
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I think a lot of them
are buried around here.
326
00:19:12,002 --> 00:19:15,753
I do. I think a lot of
them are buried around here.
327
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There were 34 graves in all.
328
00:19:20,157 --> 00:19:24,597
And most of them were children's graves.
329
00:19:27,540 --> 00:19:30,360
After meeting Rena, I knew
these archives would hold some
330
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pretty appalling stories
about the Burks family slaves.
331
00:19:36,317 --> 00:19:41,730
But as I dig through them, I discover
something completely unexpected.
332
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Some of the slaves had the same last
name as the owner of the plantation...
333
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Nicholas Burks.
334
00:19:49,140 --> 00:19:54,840
You know, I've got to wonder
if they might be his kids.
335
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I'm headed back to Troy
and Tysha's property,
336
00:20:01,433 --> 00:20:04,138
to meet with a local Professor
of African-American studies.
337
00:20:04,139 --> 00:20:08,999
Who says she can answer
some of my questions.
338
00:20:14,276 --> 00:20:17,641
That paperwork I sent you about the
plantation, I mean, what do you make
339
00:20:17,642 --> 00:20:22,145
of the five or six young kids with
the same name as the plantation owner?
340
00:20:22,146 --> 00:20:24,930
It was more common than
people like to think.
341
00:20:24,931 --> 00:20:29,070
One thing did strike me, though, that one
of the five children with his last name...
342
00:20:29,071 --> 00:20:31,651
This person, Monroe...
was listed as Mulatto.
343
00:20:31,652 --> 00:20:35,824
Which is someone who's mixed
race, and that suggests to me
344
00:20:35,825 --> 00:20:39,120
that it's very likely that he
was the plantation owner's son.
345
00:20:39,121 --> 00:20:41,455
- Now, was it consensual?
- Not necessarily.
346
00:20:41,456 --> 00:20:42,953
I mean, rape was very common.
347
00:20:42,954 --> 00:20:48,854
If you own a human being, you
can do what you will to them.
348
00:20:50,565 --> 00:20:55,365
Some guy's, like,
slapping this woman a lot.
349
00:20:55,561 --> 00:20:58,913
Beating her up pretty bad.
350
00:20:58,914 --> 00:21:04,814
It seems like he is wealthy,
and it's also like she's nothing.
351
00:21:07,588 --> 00:21:10,688
Is there any way of figuring out who
might have been the mother of this kid?
352
00:21:10,689 --> 00:21:13,656
There is someone on the
papers that you sent,
353
00:21:13,657 --> 00:21:16,494
that looks like she could
be a good fit for his mother.
354
00:21:16,495 --> 00:21:18,219
- It's a woman named Louisa.
- Okay.
355
00:21:18,220 --> 00:21:22,754
And she was 45 years old the same
time that he was 18, listed together.
356
00:21:22,755 --> 00:21:24,881
- So the age range works.
- Okay.
357
00:21:24,882 --> 00:21:29,807
And they were also recorded as running away
during the same period, possibly together.
358
00:21:29,808 --> 00:21:32,127
What would have happened
if they got caught?
359
00:21:32,128 --> 00:21:36,839
Whippings to torture to threatening
to sell your family off...
360
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:42,086
To sell you off down South.
They could have been dismembered.
361
00:21:42,087 --> 00:21:44,923
Now, what kind of a woman would
even take a risk like that?
362
00:21:44,924 --> 00:21:49,096
A brave one. The domestic
slave trade was at its height.
363
00:21:49,097 --> 00:21:50,791
The soil was dying out,
364
00:21:50,792 --> 00:21:54,649
and farmers around here and planters
were struggling economically.
365
00:21:54,650 --> 00:21:57,148
So they switched from...
366
00:21:57,149 --> 00:22:01,281
Mostly doing crops to
doing human trafficking.
367
00:22:01,282 --> 00:22:07,042
So, she witnessed a huge export
of her family and friends.
368
00:22:07,297 --> 00:22:09,667
That would be one of the reasons
why she took off, I guess.
369
00:22:09,668 --> 00:22:10,636
Absolutely.
370
00:22:10,637 --> 00:22:14,232
That ultimate freedom or the
risk of not being sold down South.
371
00:22:14,233 --> 00:22:20,133
Or maybe being separated from her son might
have been enough to make it worth leaving.
372
00:22:25,378 --> 00:22:28,314
There are so many emotions...
373
00:22:28,315 --> 00:22:31,745
With this black woman
that it's hard to...
374
00:22:31,746 --> 00:22:33,985
Talk with her.
375
00:22:33,986 --> 00:22:37,280
She is just showing me, like, that...
376
00:22:37,281 --> 00:22:41,412
The only good thing in
life were... were children.
377
00:22:41,413 --> 00:22:44,449
That was the only thing
that made her happy.
378
00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:50,350
She didn't want anybody else to be
here, so she did things to try...
379
00:22:50,889 --> 00:22:55,292
To set that in motion
when she was alive.
380
00:22:55,293 --> 00:23:00,813
There are secrets here that
some don't want discovered.
381
00:23:00,967 --> 00:23:04,687
They should learn from history.
382
00:23:09,074 --> 00:23:10,355
[ Sighs ]
383
00:23:10,356 --> 00:23:13,116
What's going on?
384
00:23:13,545 --> 00:23:16,074
She doesn't want me down here.
385
00:23:16,075 --> 00:23:20,155
I'm in, like, a lot of pain here.
386
00:23:35,126 --> 00:23:39,603
In my research, I found out the property's
tragic history didn't end with slavery.
387
00:23:39,604 --> 00:23:42,333
I turned up a guy by the
name of Starke Robinson,
388
00:23:42,334 --> 00:23:45,519
and it seems he lost a
lot of family members.
389
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,090
I'm on my way to meet with a local
librarian who did some digging.
390
00:23:49,091 --> 00:23:54,991
And he says he's got some information
that'll really help my case.
391
00:24:02,020 --> 00:24:05,660
Nathan, what were you able to find
out about this guy, Starke Robinson?
392
00:24:05,661 --> 00:24:07,945
Well, actually, we were
able to find out quite a lot.
393
00:24:07,946 --> 00:24:12,549
We found out that he is a
native-born Virginian, born in 1826.
394
00:24:12,550 --> 00:24:14,172
He was a plantation owner.
395
00:24:14,173 --> 00:24:18,455
He enlisted with the Confederacy,
and after The Civil War, of course,
396
00:24:18,456 --> 00:24:22,017
going back to the plantation,
life wasn't gonna be the same.
397
00:24:22,018 --> 00:24:27,568
So, in 1870, he buys the property
that you're investigating now.
398
00:24:27,569 --> 00:24:30,880
Now, I also noticed through
the paperwork, he had some loss.
399
00:24:30,881 --> 00:24:36,640
Yes, he in fact, had three wives throughout
his life, and he outlived all of them.
400
00:24:36,641 --> 00:24:41,500
His first wife died before The Civil
War in 1857 when she was just 30.
401
00:24:41,501 --> 00:24:46,191
His second wife, Ellen, in 1871... just
a year after he buys the property...
402
00:24:46,192 --> 00:24:49,271
She died of complications that
occurred during childbirth.
403
00:24:49,272 --> 00:24:50,082
Okay.
404
00:24:50,083 --> 00:24:54,814
And the child that she gave birth
to also passed away at that time.
405
00:24:54,815 --> 00:24:59,435
We have some of the
cemetery records here.
406
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:06,780
After Ellen dies, not long after, Starke
marries her younger sister, Elizabeth.
407
00:25:06,825 --> 00:25:09,933
- Okay.
- And then she lived until 1904.
408
00:25:09,934 --> 00:25:13,834
They were together over 30 years.
409
00:25:20,283 --> 00:25:26,183
I'm getting these two little
white ladies, and they're sisters.
410
00:25:26,642 --> 00:25:29,369
Anderson: Do you know what kind of
connection these women might have,
411
00:25:29,370 --> 00:25:31,090
to this location?
412
00:25:31,091 --> 00:25:35,591
I feel like they owned it at some point.
413
00:25:38,537 --> 00:25:41,235
One of them is young.
414
00:25:41,236 --> 00:25:45,876
She's from, maybe, like
nineteen oh five or nineteen ten.
415
00:25:45,877 --> 00:25:48,775
She has dead children.
416
00:25:48,776 --> 00:25:53,087
And then somebody said, well, you know,
in the end, there's just blood, anyway.
417
00:25:53,088 --> 00:25:55,316
Sickness and death. That's it.
418
00:25:55,317 --> 00:25:58,361
I don't like it at all.
419
00:25:58,362 --> 00:26:02,556
If we look at the cemetery
records that we have, we can see...
420
00:26:02,557 --> 00:26:05,988
That Starke actually
ended up outliving...
421
00:26:05,989 --> 00:26:09,109
7 of his 14 children.
422
00:26:09,257 --> 00:26:11,233
Four died in childbirth.
423
00:26:11,234 --> 00:26:14,566
So, this guy Starke
kind of had a rough go.
424
00:26:14,567 --> 00:26:15,833
Yeah.
425
00:26:15,834 --> 00:26:18,708
He actually dies in 1915.
426
00:26:18,709 --> 00:26:22,669
I have the death certificate here.
427
00:26:24,218 --> 00:26:30,118
He's 89 years old, which in
1915, was quite an advanced age.
428
00:26:31,163 --> 00:26:33,167
Now, would they have been
buried on the property?
429
00:26:33,168 --> 00:26:36,574
Yes, and in fact, there is
a cemetery on the property,
430
00:26:36,575 --> 00:26:41,495
not far from the house
that Robinson lived in.
431
00:26:44,846 --> 00:26:48,986
There's so much residual information.
432
00:26:52,755 --> 00:26:56,833
I know there's other deaths here
because they're saying, like...
433
00:26:56,834 --> 00:26:59,185
Like, at one point, they show
me, like, literally, like,
434
00:26:59,186 --> 00:27:03,026
the floors are covered in blood.
435
00:27:05,033 --> 00:27:10,132
For whatever reason, all
the people that lived here...
436
00:27:10,133 --> 00:27:13,793
Met with darkness and tragedy.
437
00:27:20,536 --> 00:27:23,678
There were several entities
that stood out during my walk.
438
00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:25,681
But what has me the most concerned,
439
00:27:25,682 --> 00:27:29,857
is the bizarre scene I
encountered in the basement.
440
00:27:29,858 --> 00:27:34,358
There were several
dead black men laying.
441
00:27:34,761 --> 00:27:36,338
Mm-hmm.
442
00:27:36,339 --> 00:27:39,585
There's two black women.
443
00:27:39,586 --> 00:27:43,726
They're pouring water on the bodies.
444
00:27:46,975 --> 00:27:51,115
- Amy, is this what you saw?
- Yes.
445
00:28:15,405 --> 00:28:18,669
Di Schiavi: After days of
investigating our clients' property,
446
00:28:18,670 --> 00:28:21,697
Amy and I are ready to
reveal what we found.
447
00:28:21,698 --> 00:28:23,832
Amy, I'd like you to
meet Troy and Tysha.
448
00:28:23,833 --> 00:28:27,804
This is their house and property.
It's very close to their hearts.
449
00:28:27,805 --> 00:28:30,985
Troy's family's had this
property since the early 1930s.
450
00:28:30,986 --> 00:28:34,881
The only problem is Tysha
and her two young boys,
451
00:28:34,882 --> 00:28:36,752
have been having health problems.
452
00:28:36,753 --> 00:28:39,060
And they want to know if
there's any way they can stay.
453
00:28:39,061 --> 00:28:41,696
This house is very
important to both of them.
454
00:28:41,697 --> 00:28:43,932
So, with that, I'm gonna
turn it over to Amy,
455
00:28:43,933 --> 00:28:49,213
and have her talk about
her walk for a little bit.
456
00:28:50,406 --> 00:28:55,544
Allan: When I first got here, there were
like 15 dead people walking by the car.
457
00:28:55,545 --> 00:29:00,890
It was extremely stressful just
how many there are on this property.
458
00:29:00,891 --> 00:29:04,514
And the main feelings
that kind of permeates
459
00:29:04,515 --> 00:29:09,675
this entire area was
sadness and despair and pain.
460
00:29:09,686 --> 00:29:15,220
And I did get that there were
a lot of people buried here.
461
00:29:15,221 --> 00:29:19,181
Well, we have bouts of depression.
462
00:29:19,666 --> 00:29:21,586
Okay.
463
00:29:21,646 --> 00:29:26,372
Well, there have been a lot of people
that have lived and died on this property.
464
00:29:26,373 --> 00:29:30,098
But this may influence what you
saw, so I'm gonna hold off for now.
465
00:29:30,099 --> 00:29:32,019
Okay.
466
00:29:32,138 --> 00:29:36,222
When I was upstairs,
I did meet two sisters.
467
00:29:36,223 --> 00:29:38,720
They were from the early 1900s.
468
00:29:38,721 --> 00:29:41,657
They owned this property
at some point in time.
469
00:29:41,658 --> 00:29:44,859
And I felt sickness and death with them.
470
00:29:44,860 --> 00:29:47,857
One of the sisters
had children who died.
471
00:29:47,858 --> 00:29:53,268
And I think that if people see them,
they're just kind of like a mist.
472
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:55,797
Why don't you explain the mist to her?
473
00:29:55,798 --> 00:29:59,101
The mist I've seen has been
kind of a black-color mist.
474
00:29:59,102 --> 00:30:01,153
Where did you see that?
475
00:30:01,154 --> 00:30:04,070
Right above this doorway.
476
00:30:04,071 --> 00:30:06,076
In the basement a lot, too.
477
00:30:06,077 --> 00:30:07,616
Okay.
478
00:30:07,617 --> 00:30:10,759
I could tell you about
at least four people...
479
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,466
That I know that are
buried on the land here.
480
00:30:13,467 --> 00:30:16,301
When you mentioned sisters... there
was a guy named Starke Robinson
481
00:30:16,302 --> 00:30:18,901
who bought the property
here and the house in 1870.
482
00:30:18,902 --> 00:30:21,116
He moved here with his wife, Ellen,
483
00:30:21,117 --> 00:30:24,677
who, within a year, actually
passed away at a young age.
484
00:30:24,678 --> 00:30:28,552
About five years later,
he married her sister...
485
00:30:28,553 --> 00:30:32,513
Elizabeth, who died in this house.
486
00:30:32,845 --> 00:30:35,703
- Now, you mentioned dead kids.
- Mm-hmm.
487
00:30:35,704 --> 00:30:40,410
This guy had 14 children, seven
of them which died before he did.
488
00:30:40,411 --> 00:30:43,439
- Four of them died at childbirth.
- Geez.
489
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:49,138
So, Starke, his two wives, and one of
the children are buried on the property.
490
00:30:49,139 --> 00:30:50,774
Wow.
491
00:30:50,775 --> 00:30:53,371
- That make sense?
- Oh, yeah.
492
00:30:53,372 --> 00:30:56,107
The one thing that became
apparent was that...
493
00:30:56,108 --> 00:31:00,651
Some of the dead from this
house go over to the new house.
494
00:31:00,652 --> 00:31:03,216
Specifically, I saw two boys.
495
00:31:03,217 --> 00:31:07,342
And they're always running around,
laughing, and just messing around.
496
00:31:07,343 --> 00:31:12,431
I got them being very active in the
hallway over there and in your bedroom.
497
00:31:12,432 --> 00:31:14,134
Wow.
498
00:31:14,135 --> 00:31:15,711
That's part of the reason we're here,
499
00:31:15,712 --> 00:31:17,771
Troy and Tysha have been
living here for 10 years.
500
00:31:17,772 --> 00:31:19,472
They lived seven years in this house.
501
00:31:19,473 --> 00:31:22,557
- Okay.
- But things got so bad...
502
00:31:22,558 --> 00:31:26,161
They decided to build over there, but...
503
00:31:26,162 --> 00:31:29,570
Same things just continued to happen.
504
00:31:29,571 --> 00:31:30,675
Your son is seeing...
505
00:31:30,676 --> 00:31:34,303
- Apparitions of a little boy.
- Yeah. Yeah.
506
00:31:34,304 --> 00:31:36,164
Wow.
507
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:39,059
Not good.
508
00:31:42,679 --> 00:31:44,388
What else did you see?
509
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:49,266
So, when I went into the basement,
which is not a good place...
510
00:31:49,267 --> 00:31:50,752
No.
511
00:31:50,753 --> 00:31:55,253
I saw 4 to 10 black men that were dead.
512
00:31:56,186 --> 00:31:58,845
They were all lined up, and
they were extremely thin...
513
00:31:58,846 --> 00:32:02,665
Almost like the pictures from,
like, the holocaust victims.
514
00:32:02,666 --> 00:32:07,703
And there were two women that were
throwing water on their bodies.
515
00:32:07,704 --> 00:32:12,948
There are people down there
that really hate white people.
516
00:32:12,949 --> 00:32:14,472
Well, it makes sense.
517
00:32:14,473 --> 00:32:18,379
Back in its heyday, this
was a tobacco plantation.
518
00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:19,748
Hmm.
519
00:32:19,749 --> 00:32:22,433
And from the 1830s up
until around The Civil War,
520
00:32:22,434 --> 00:32:24,386
it was owned by the Burks family.
521
00:32:24,387 --> 00:32:27,503
They had up to 60 slaves.
522
00:32:27,504 --> 00:32:33,404
And the basement of this house
was some of their living quarters.
523
00:32:34,597 --> 00:32:39,499
- To tell you how they were treated and...
- I know how they were treated.
524
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:43,760
I sketched that scene in the basement.
525
00:32:48,852 --> 00:32:50,772
Geez.
526
00:32:50,925 --> 00:32:53,985
Take a look at that.
527
00:32:55,638 --> 00:32:57,498
Wow.
528
00:33:01,524 --> 00:33:05,647
I've always known that there
were slaves on the premises...
529
00:33:05,648 --> 00:33:08,828
But it's sad to see that in the picture.
530
00:33:08,829 --> 00:33:10,188
It's sickening to me.
531
00:33:10,189 --> 00:33:11,893
Do you know why they
were throwing water,
532
00:33:11,894 --> 00:33:14,097
because there were flies on
them or something like that?
533
00:33:14,098 --> 00:33:17,734
- Maybe. I don't know.
- Okay.
534
00:33:17,735 --> 00:33:21,009
These guys feel really
uncomfortable down in that basement.
535
00:33:21,010 --> 00:33:23,812
Is this the reason why
they're feeling uncomfortable?
536
00:33:23,813 --> 00:33:29,713
Well, the thing is, is that the
larger lady is still down there.
537
00:33:32,202 --> 00:33:34,071
She's very, very present.
538
00:33:34,072 --> 00:33:39,551
And she doesn't want anybody in
there, especially if they're white.
539
00:33:39,552 --> 00:33:44,265
I'd never felt hatred like
that from an entity in my life.
540
00:33:44,266 --> 00:33:48,708
One thing that she kept saying is that
she wants the living to learn from history.
541
00:33:48,709 --> 00:33:51,681
And then she showed me children,
542
00:33:51,682 --> 00:33:55,107
and said that they were the
only good thing in her life.
543
00:33:55,108 --> 00:33:57,665
And she didn't want people here.
544
00:33:57,666 --> 00:34:00,142
She didn't want to be
here, because she knew when
545
00:34:00,143 --> 00:34:04,299
she got here that this
was not a good place.
546
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:05,580
A couple things you said,
547
00:34:05,581 --> 00:34:09,258
made me think of a slave that used
to live here by the name of Louisa.
548
00:34:09,259 --> 00:34:11,259
She was about 45 years old.
549
00:34:11,260 --> 00:34:15,897
And there was another slave by the
name of Monroe who was about 18.
550
00:34:15,898 --> 00:34:18,774
Now, this slave was
half white, half black.
551
00:34:18,775 --> 00:34:23,505
And the paperwork has them
listed as being two runaways.
552
00:34:23,506 --> 00:34:27,031
They ran away at the
same time, basically.
553
00:34:27,032 --> 00:34:29,597
Now, from what the
historian I spoke to said,
554
00:34:29,598 --> 00:34:32,413
she was probably raped by
one of the plantation owners.
555
00:34:32,414 --> 00:34:35,705
She had this child that was
half black, half white...
556
00:34:35,706 --> 00:34:38,753
And they took a big
chance and they ran away.
557
00:34:38,754 --> 00:34:43,228
Now, if you ran away back in those
days on a plantation, you got caught...
558
00:34:43,229 --> 00:34:46,751
You were either sent to another plantation,
which was a lot worse than here...
559
00:34:46,752 --> 00:34:49,430
They'd dismember you, or they kill you.
560
00:34:49,431 --> 00:34:51,581
That's really sad.
561
00:34:51,582 --> 00:34:55,357
Her presence is extremely dangerous...
562
00:34:55,358 --> 00:34:58,422
And incredibly powerful.
563
00:34:58,423 --> 00:35:01,753
She's also trying to
give you guys warnings.
564
00:35:01,754 --> 00:35:03,463
What kind of warnings
are we talking about?
565
00:35:03,464 --> 00:35:05,864
To get out.
566
00:35:09,251 --> 00:35:11,125
I was in extreme pain.
567
00:35:11,126 --> 00:35:15,419
I did feel that there was probably some
physical abuse towards the adults here.
568
00:35:15,420 --> 00:35:17,602
You saw physical abuse
towards the living adults here?
569
00:35:17,603 --> 00:35:19,463
Yes.
570
00:35:20,365 --> 00:35:24,335
It's not that she is doing it directly.
571
00:35:24,336 --> 00:35:27,403
She controls the dead here.
572
00:35:27,404 --> 00:35:31,740
Troy: We was redoing the room up there,
and there was a lot of sheetrock...
573
00:35:31,741 --> 00:35:33,842
Like, couple thousand pounds.
574
00:35:33,843 --> 00:35:39,743
And it was all pushed against the wall,
and the whole thing came over on me.
575
00:35:40,650 --> 00:35:43,811
My aches and pains have
gotten worse, big-time.
576
00:35:43,812 --> 00:35:48,957
I shouldn't be feeling this beat
down, like I'm 60-some years old.
577
00:35:48,958 --> 00:35:50,504
How about the kids?
578
00:35:50,505 --> 00:35:53,267
Do you think their health issues
might have been related to the house?
579
00:35:53,268 --> 00:35:55,041
Oh, yeah.
580
00:35:55,042 --> 00:35:57,982
Yeah. Getting worse.
581
00:35:58,131 --> 00:36:03,260
One of them, he has autism, and
the other one has Asperger's.
582
00:36:03,261 --> 00:36:05,151
And you've been in a lot of pain.
583
00:36:05,152 --> 00:36:08,341
Oh, yes. It's, like, all over.
584
00:36:08,342 --> 00:36:10,311
- Mm-hmm.
- It gets worse.
585
00:36:10,312 --> 00:36:13,943
There's moments that it seems like I'm
away from the property, it's not as bad.
586
00:36:13,944 --> 00:36:18,084
Well, she's extremely powerful, yeah.
587
00:36:21,409 --> 00:36:25,129
She is the hoodoo practitioner.
588
00:36:25,401 --> 00:36:27,128
What is hoodoo?
589
00:36:27,129 --> 00:36:29,297
Hoodoo comes from Africa.
590
00:36:29,298 --> 00:36:32,438
And it was certain tribes that had
gone through the Christianization.
591
00:36:32,439 --> 00:36:34,520
When you first said that,
I thought you meant Voodoo.
592
00:36:34,521 --> 00:36:36,537
No, Voodoo is a religion.
593
00:36:36,538 --> 00:36:42,118
Hoodoo is not a religion,
but a system to place spells.
594
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:47,857
And she put them into
place while she was alive,
595
00:36:47,858 --> 00:36:52,203
to ensure things would go the
way she wanted them to in death.
596
00:36:52,204 --> 00:36:55,284
Because hoodoo is all
about gaining power.
597
00:36:55,285 --> 00:36:57,228
And now she's got all this power...
598
00:36:57,229 --> 00:37:02,357
She's got all these dead
people that she controls.
599
00:37:02,358 --> 00:37:05,517
And she had put a binding spell out.
600
00:37:05,518 --> 00:37:07,214
What do you mean by that?
601
00:37:07,215 --> 00:37:10,371
Well, I couldn't have full
communication with the dead.
602
00:37:10,372 --> 00:37:12,557
Like, I couldn't talk
about being whipped.
603
00:37:12,558 --> 00:37:15,979
I could not talk about what I
was experiencing at the time.
604
00:37:15,980 --> 00:37:21,249
Which is weird, because her message is
the main message that needs to be heard.
605
00:37:21,250 --> 00:37:24,636
Well, if she has a message
she wants out, what is it?
606
00:37:24,637 --> 00:37:28,297
What does she want from them?
607
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:32,690
She wants the house demolished.
608
00:37:48,091 --> 00:37:53,895
Allan: Her message is the main
message that needs to be heard.
609
00:37:53,896 --> 00:37:57,028
Well, if she has a message
she wants out, what is it?
610
00:37:57,029 --> 00:38:00,135
What does she want from them?
611
00:38:00,136 --> 00:38:03,856
She wants the house demolished.
612
00:38:09,278 --> 00:38:12,025
That ain't gonna happen.
613
00:38:12,026 --> 00:38:16,286
I'll just keep on with her, I guess.
614
00:38:16,448 --> 00:38:18,854
I'm not gonna tear nothing down.
615
00:38:18,855 --> 00:38:22,523
She's not the only
one who feels this way.
616
00:38:22,524 --> 00:38:25,794
All of the dead want it gone.
617
00:38:25,795 --> 00:38:29,590
So, how many ghosts do we have?
618
00:38:29,591 --> 00:38:32,651
I would say hundreds.
619
00:38:34,765 --> 00:38:36,704
I'm... I'm very concerned.
620
00:38:36,705 --> 00:38:39,875
She wants this house gone.
621
00:38:39,876 --> 00:38:43,827
She's bound everybody else around
her... all the other dead people.
622
00:38:43,828 --> 00:38:46,148
I'm keeping the house up.
623
00:38:46,149 --> 00:38:49,495
I'm not tearing my house down.
624
00:38:49,496 --> 00:38:52,428
I don't give up on anything.
625
00:38:52,429 --> 00:38:55,094
Plus you had plans on one day
passing this on to your kids.
626
00:38:55,095 --> 00:38:56,451
Sure.
627
00:38:56,452 --> 00:38:59,952
I'll be damned if I let any
kind of stuff like that stand,
628
00:38:59,953 --> 00:39:02,864
into anything that I got to
do with my kids, you know?
629
00:39:02,865 --> 00:39:05,354
You know, you're like me
in a way. You look pissed.
630
00:39:05,355 --> 00:39:08,837
Yeah. I'm a really hard-headed guy.
631
00:39:08,838 --> 00:39:13,000
And we'll butt heads
for right now, I guess.
632
00:39:13,001 --> 00:39:16,812
If he wants to butt heads with
this woman, what could happen?
633
00:39:16,813 --> 00:39:18,392
You're in for it. [ Chuckles ]
634
00:39:18,393 --> 00:39:21,438
Yeah. I'm not backing down
from where I'm at right now.
635
00:39:21,439 --> 00:39:24,100
I've worked too hard to
be where I'm at right now.
636
00:39:24,101 --> 00:39:27,646
I'd be letting a lot
of my ancestors down.
637
00:39:27,647 --> 00:39:30,170
Tysha: I don't know. I mean, I'm
really confused by the whole...
638
00:39:30,171 --> 00:39:32,484
You know, we've tried
to protect this place,
639
00:39:32,485 --> 00:39:35,692
and everybody's tried to
be respectful to the place.
640
00:39:35,693 --> 00:39:38,195
You're white.
641
00:39:38,196 --> 00:39:42,198
She won't listen to what you're saying.
642
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:44,448
Period. End of story.
643
00:39:44,449 --> 00:39:48,709
Told you there was a lot more to it.
644
00:39:50,307 --> 00:39:55,345
This has been probably one of the
most intense investigations we've done.
645
00:39:55,346 --> 00:39:58,118
And obviously, this has
been a lot for you guys,
646
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:00,279
but the most pressing
question here...
647
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,164
Is it safe for you to stay on your property
and pass this house along to your kids?
648
00:40:05,165 --> 00:40:11,065
For that, I'm gonna turn it over to
Amy, see if she has an answer for you.
649
00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:15,870
Obviously, the easiest way to go
would be to demolish the house...
650
00:40:15,871 --> 00:40:18,954
Which it sounds like
you're not going to do.
651
00:40:18,955 --> 00:40:22,945
So, my other suggestion would be to...
652
00:40:22,946 --> 00:40:25,445
Find a hoodoo practitioner.
653
00:40:25,446 --> 00:40:27,505
Because this is about gaining power.
654
00:40:27,506 --> 00:40:32,384
You get another hoodoo person in
who would want to attain her power.
655
00:40:32,385 --> 00:40:35,436
And they're gonna take her with them.
656
00:40:35,437 --> 00:40:38,985
Because they're gonna then
have access to her power.
657
00:40:38,986 --> 00:40:43,782
So, your advice to them is to get
somebody that practices hoodoo that...
658
00:40:43,783 --> 00:40:46,396
Won't be afraid of
this, but want the power?
659
00:40:46,397 --> 00:40:48,328
Right. Would want to take her.
660
00:40:48,329 --> 00:40:51,292
I mean, I don't think you look up the
yellow pages for something like this.
661
00:40:51,293 --> 00:40:55,603
I mean, it is hard to find
someone who practices true hoodoo.
662
00:40:55,604 --> 00:41:01,112
But maybe going to the universities,
they might know practitioners.
663
00:41:01,113 --> 00:41:04,148
Okay. That's where we'll start, then.
664
00:41:04,149 --> 00:41:07,153
If we get this other one to
come in here and kick her ass...
665
00:41:07,154 --> 00:41:10,207
Is all these other spirits
that's underneath her,
666
00:41:10,208 --> 00:41:12,381
will they be let go and everything?
667
00:41:12,382 --> 00:41:14,242
Yes.
668
00:41:14,368 --> 00:41:16,529
Di Schiavi: Let me ask you
a question about this house.
669
00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:19,229
Should they stay away
from this house until...
670
00:41:19,230 --> 00:41:22,056
I'm not. I'm over here all the time.
671
00:41:22,057 --> 00:41:25,487
- You're not even gonna try to stay away?
- No. Mm-mm.
672
00:41:25,488 --> 00:41:28,512
If I were you, I would probably
be very, very, very careful
673
00:41:28,513 --> 00:41:31,032
if I came into this house.
674
00:41:31,033 --> 00:41:35,233
So, we'll take it a day at a time.
675
00:41:35,823 --> 00:41:39,898
So, are you guys gonna follow Amy's
advice and find a hoodoo practitioner?
676
00:41:39,899 --> 00:41:41,624
Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely.
677
00:41:41,625 --> 00:41:45,006
Oh, yeah. Tomorrow.
Not gonna let her win.
678
00:41:45,007 --> 00:41:48,267
She's done too much damage already.
679
00:41:48,268 --> 00:41:51,468
Allan: I can't force Troy to do
something he doesn't want to do,
680
00:41:51,469 --> 00:41:55,112
and I don't know if he fully
understands what he's about to take on...
681
00:41:55,113 --> 00:41:57,986
But I'm afraid he's about to.
682
00:41:57,987 --> 00:42:03,887
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