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I'm seeing a female losing her mind.
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There's a struggle on
whose house this is.
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I see attacks every day, every day.
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- We're kind of trapped.
- Then I hear "death".
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Do you think there's any
foul play involved here?
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It might be a poltergeist.
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I feel like it's watching me.
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"Mine, mine. Back the [Bleep] off".
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I want to have my home back.
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I encountered a poltergeist.
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They're being watched.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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This thing likes death.
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I see dead people.
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This thing is, like, a monster.
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I speak to dead people.
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And he's pissed off now.
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And they speak to me.
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His head was cracked.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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This guy was murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide Detective.
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I cannot help you unless
I know the whole story.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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You saw her? It's my job to reveal them.
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Why would you stay here?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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Stop it.
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We uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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I want to know the truth. I
want to know what's happening.
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Or time to get out.
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[ Crying ] I told you there
were ghosts in this house.
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Di Schiavi: Amy and I
investigate each case separately.
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I uncover a property's history and
question the witnesses involved.
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While Amy talks to the dead.
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When we're done, we reveal our
findings to our client and each other.
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I'm in Westminster, Colorado.
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It's a sleepy little suburb
about 20 minutes north of Denver.
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I received a call from a woman
named Cara, who's a single mom.
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She tells me her entire family's
afraid to be in the house alone.
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She does not sound good.
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I'm hoping Amy and I can help her out.
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[ Insects chirping ]
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[ Door creaks ]
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Anderson: Before Amy can start her walk,
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I need to make sure she is free
from any outside influences.
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This house is filled with photographs
of a mother and her young children,
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that have to be covered or removed.
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When I'm finished, Amy can begin.
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[ Door creaks ]
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I'm seeing a female freaking out...
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Losing her mind.
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Something with, like, the walls.
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I just see her jumping
around and, like, screaming
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and, like, then looking at the wall.
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The lady who's freaking out is
alive, and they're being attacked.
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It's really bad in here.
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Cara, I got to tell you... you
sounded pretty concerned on the phone.
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Uh, why don't you tell
me what's going on?
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Well, I'm a single parent, and I'm
here with my two children by myself.
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We have footsteps, voices.
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Um, we're seeing things, hearing
things, things are moving.
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- How old are your kids?
- 8 and 10.
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It's really hard to have a 10-year-old
who's very fearful in his own home, and...
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And just it definitely
has affected him the most.
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He won't go anywhere in the
home without somebody with him.
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How long has this been going on?
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The entire time that we've lived
here... about ten and a half years.
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However, when my ex-husband
moved out, the activity got worse.
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So that's why we called you in.
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What do you know about the house? I mean,
when was it built, anything like that?
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I know it was built in 1985. No
one's lived here more than two years.
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I'm the only one who has
stuck it out this long.
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You mentioned you were a nurse on the
phone, so what kind of a nurse are you?
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I'm a hospice nurse, dealing with people
who have six months or less to live.
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It's really emotionally draining.
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So, you're living here 10 years.
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You've been dealing with this almost ever
since you moved in. Dealt with a divorce.
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You're raising two kids on your own.
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I mean, how are you dealing with it?
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Well, it's incredibly stressful.
I want to have my home back.
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[ Insects chirping ]
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Allan: There is an old lady here.
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There is a relationship here with her
and this living woman who flipped out.
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She's tormented, and this old
lady... I think she's trying to help,
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but she doesn't even know
where to begin to help.
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To help what?
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Something is [Bleep] with people here.
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It might not be a dead person.
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It might be a poltergeist.
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So, what's going on in
this part of the house?
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When my son was younger, he
actually used to talk to a man
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that he saw in the ceiling
right over that chair over there.
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He would talk to him and tell
him to get down off the ceiling.
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And it was just really creepy.
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Wow. Okay.
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We've had 8 floods in the last 10 years.
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What kind of floods? What
are you talking about?
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Floods like pipes breaking,
sump pumps failing.
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We even had a manhole cover out
on the street flood my backyard.
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What about your neighbors?
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As far as I know, none
of them have had floods.
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Anything else going on?
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I had two groups come and investigate,
but they weren't really able to help me.
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They did some cleansing.
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They also did salt
crosses with the salt water
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and the lines in the doorway
to keep out the activity.
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So, did things get any
better after they left?
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No, nothing has worked.
We're kind of trapped.
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[ Insects chirping ]
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I feel that there's violence
inflicted on these people.
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That feeling of, like,
you've been, like, tortured.
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So far, this walk is really strange.
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I can tell someone is suffering,
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but whatever's responsible
won't reveal itself to me.
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There is really something
they're going through, but...
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[ Whispers ] But I
don't know what it is.
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[ Normal voice ] I feel their,
like, panic and their stress.
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Like, I almost feel like
someone's suicidal because of this.
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It's almost like in an
abusive relationship,
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and you're being beat every day.
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You're not afraid of it, you
know it's gonna happen anyways.
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So, what's going on in here?
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One of the first things that
I saw after moving in here
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was a big glowing orb come from
my bathroom while I was in bed.
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And it was bright, like the sun,
and it was big, almost person-size.
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And it stayed there for a long
time. It felt like forever.
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Okay, were you in bed alone?
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I actually was sleeping
with my son, Noah.
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I gotta ask you a question, though, do
you take any kind of sleeping medication,
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so you may get hallucinations
from it or anything like that?
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No.
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So, have you experienced
anything else in the room?
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I also have felt like something
was crawling up my bed,
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almost like someone was crawling
over me, going up the bed.
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I could feel the sheets
being pulled tight around me.
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Then I yelled at it to go away.
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- And did it stop?
- It did stop.
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After all you've told me, I find it
amazing that you could still live here,
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I mean, you don't have
a safe spot in the house.
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No. And I almost feel like I'm in a
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struggle on whose house this is.
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[ Insects chirping ]
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Allan: Oh [Bleep]
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Ooh. Ooh.
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[ Exhales deeply ]
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Okay.
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Yeah, I feel like the
attack's every day, every day.
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Who the [Bleep] is doing this?
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I think that it's the beginnings
of a poltergeist manifestation.
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It's needing a lot of feeding.
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If this thing is fully
formed, can it hurt people?
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Yes, absolutely.
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You know, it can cut them, start fires.
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It could rape.
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And beat people.
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It can be very, very brutal and violent.
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I think that it's the beginnings
of a poltergeist manifestation.
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It can start fires...
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Rape and beat people.
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So, yeah, it can be very,
very brutal and violent.
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- You're pretty sure this is a poltergeist?
- Yes, absolutely.
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Poltergeists are usually
created unintentionally,
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when someone with psychic abilities
represses intense negative emotions.
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These entities can interact
with the physical world,
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and if the poltergeist develops,
it could become extremely dangerous.
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But this [Bleep] is, like...
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Mindless.
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Its creator is living, and it'll
do whatever the creator wants it to.
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[ Birds chirping ]
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So, Kymber, I was talking with mom,
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and I understand you and your brother
have had some experiences yourself.
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Yeah. There's been things
I've seen downstairs.
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I've heard footsteps in the stairs, and
I saw a witch on the wall over there.
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You saw a witch?
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You couldn't really see her face and...
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Her face was covered with black hair.
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So, this woman...
how'd she make you feel?
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I wanted to leave this room right now.
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I was just shaking and
hiding under the covers.
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How active is it in your
room, does it happen a lot?
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- Will you hear things?
- Well, it's not really active in my room.
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It's more active in Noah's room.
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And it's mostly active in my mom's room.
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Okay.
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[ Insects chirping ]
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There's this old lady.
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[ Door creaks ]
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I get "grandma, grandma, grandma".
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She's here a lot.
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It doesn't feel as bad
as the other room...
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At all.
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It feels better in here.
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Safer in here.
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Uh because she's like,
she's always in here.
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I mean, she's trying to protect and
make it good for whoever's in here.
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Anderson: What is she
protecting against?
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I don't know.
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Something really, really bad.
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[ Insects chirping ]
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Di Schiavi: Kymber told me that her brother
was experiencing more activity in his room.
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According to their mom,
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Noah's actually afraid to be
alone anywhere in the house.
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I'm gonna have to hear his story.
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I'm scared to just be upstairs
alone by myself all the time.
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The one thing that scares me is that...
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Behind my door over there um...
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There's this thing that's...
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It's just very scary. Like,
I feel like it's watching me.
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- It's, like, a shadow kind of.
- Okay.
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And the edges of it are kind of like...
they kind of, like, fade a little bit.
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I don't know if it's...
it feels pretty negative.
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It doesn't seem very friendly.
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Okay, you having trouble
sleeping at night because of that?
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Yeah, it's...
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Very scary.
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[ Insects chirping ]
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Ooh. Ooh.
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Oh.
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Okay, we got something
with the closets here.
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Anderson: Is it the same thing
you saw in the other closet?
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It's something different.
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But it's weird because it's every night.
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It's like a nightly creation.
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But I think that he's mostly seen as...
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Like, a shadow man or a shadow person.
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So, is this guy pretty
much just in the closet?
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I just get like it's
kind of his own space.
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And it does scare someone a lot.
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This is where he likes to
be, so it just so happens
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that whoever's in this room
would get more frightened
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than everybody else, because
he's more consistently here.
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[ Birds chirping ]
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Noah: One morning, I woke up.
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There was, like, a light, like somebody
was shining a flashlight under my door.
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And there's just, like, a little crack,
so you could barely, like, see it.
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Okay.
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So, I open the door, and it was like
a glowing, like, light, circle thing.
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I saw it for like a second or two and
I, like, scared it or something and it...
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Okay.
246
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Now, how you dealing with all
this stuff that's going on?
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I'm kind of very cautious of upstairs.
248
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Like, it's very hard
to be up here alone.
249
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Like, I always want Kymber with me.
250
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- It's really scary.
- Okay.
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[ Insects chirping ]
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This guy is the tormentor.
253
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So, there's a woman and then...
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This kid who he,
255
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really just torments.
256
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Like, I feel like he can
put weight on the bed.
257
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You know like, it feels like
somebody's sitting there.
258
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A lot of movement around him.
259
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I feel all of this dread.
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Anderson: Do you know why he does that?
261
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This tormentor feels
like he's being invaded.
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Anderson: So, what makes you say that?
263
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There was, like, this moment of, like...
264
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"Mine, mine.
265
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This is my people, mine".
266
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And, "back the [Bleep] off".
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Di Schiavi: Cara's house
is only 27 years old.
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I looked into its history,
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and I couldn't find any deaths
associated with the property.
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So I'm headed over to meet with
a prominent real-estate developer
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to see what was on the land
before Cara's house was there.
272
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The house I'm investigating was built
in 1985, and I know you're a developer.
273
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Can you give me an idea what was
there prior to the houses being built?
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More or less, what was
there was just what you see.
275
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It was open farmland
for dry land grazing.
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Who owned the land back then?
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My grandfather, who, in 1869,
decided to start Church Ranch.
278
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It had to be tough back in
those days to get a farm going.
279
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Well, the standard worries were, obviously,
food and water to drink and shelter.
280
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Our family was very involved
in bringing the first water
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down from the Continental
Divide to this eastern slope.
282
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Life wasn't easy here.
283
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It was very challenging.
Farming's still challenging.
284
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You can have an accident, where somebody
gets hurt by a piece of machinery
285
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or falls into an irrigation ditch.
286
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That was not uncommon.
287
00:18:14,190 --> 00:18:16,592
Now, were they any deaths
associated with all that work?
288
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There were many deaths
associated with irrigation.
289
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One of the ones in this local
area that I've heard about
290
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was a fella by the name of John
Shannon that fell in and drowned.
291
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Allan: These two men are talking.
292
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Somebody's saying, "having a
problem keeping animals alive".
293
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They're very, very stressed out.
294
00:18:49,367 --> 00:18:51,409
Do you know what he's worried about?
295
00:18:51,410 --> 00:18:54,852
Then he's talking about
water, like water flow...
296
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And being ruined financially.
297
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- Why?
- Because the animals are dying.
298
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Okay.
299
00:19:00,598 --> 00:19:05,878
Well, one of the guys
looks kind of like that guy.
300
00:19:06,076 --> 00:19:09,121
This dead farmer is
angry that I'm seeing him.
301
00:19:09,122 --> 00:19:13,826
I realize now this guy is the
tormentor hiding in the kid's closet.
302
00:19:13,827 --> 00:19:18,054
He's just pretending to be a
shadow figure to protect his space.
303
00:19:18,055 --> 00:19:19,580
He's got a cowboy hat on.
304
00:19:19,581 --> 00:19:22,101
He's got a plaid button-down
long-sleeve shirt.
305
00:19:22,102 --> 00:19:25,882
He's got jeans and a belt on.
306
00:19:26,673 --> 00:19:29,253
[ Door creaks ]
307
00:19:34,649 --> 00:19:39,809
He's created this monster
of himself from himself.
308
00:19:46,434 --> 00:19:49,071
I saw the word...
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"Death".
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Di Schiavi: I've managed to track
down a descendant of John Shannon,
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the man who died in a
local irrigation ditch.
312
00:20:05,846 --> 00:20:09,073
And she tells me her great-grandfather
lived a colorful life,
313
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and his death was no accident.
314
00:20:18,124 --> 00:20:20,975
So, I understand you're a
descendant of John Shannon's.
315
00:20:20,976 --> 00:20:23,306
Yes, I'm his great-granddaughter.
316
00:20:23,307 --> 00:20:27,833
Here's some pictures
of my great-grandfather.
317
00:20:27,834 --> 00:20:29,585
What can you tell me about him?
318
00:20:29,586 --> 00:20:33,865
The oldest boy, before he died, told my
grandma that he remembers he'd have to
319
00:20:33,866 --> 00:20:35,984
take the younger boys and
hide them down by the creek
320
00:20:35,985 --> 00:20:40,065
so their father wouldn't beat them.
321
00:20:40,247 --> 00:20:43,249
He was mean to the kids. He
was mean to the farm animals.
322
00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:45,117
- Really?
- Yeah.
323
00:20:45,118 --> 00:20:49,387
He had beat one of the horses so bad
that somebody had to pull him off.
324
00:20:49,388 --> 00:20:51,242
- You're kidding.
- No.
325
00:20:51,243 --> 00:20:56,078
And then I do remember hearing that
when the youngest child was a newborn,
326
00:20:56,079 --> 00:21:01,979
that the mother walked in and found
the father trying to smother the baby.
327
00:21:03,803 --> 00:21:06,683
[ Insects chirping ]
328
00:21:11,547 --> 00:21:13,578
Allan: The tormentor
won't leave me alone,
329
00:21:13,579 --> 00:21:17,052
and he's following me
down to the basement.
330
00:21:17,053 --> 00:21:19,585
And I'm feeling like...
there's like a...
331
00:21:19,586 --> 00:21:24,256
I think this is a kid being,
like, held down and smothered.
332
00:21:24,257 --> 00:21:27,077
He can't breathe.
333
00:21:28,628 --> 00:21:30,721
Seeing uh...
334
00:21:30,722 --> 00:21:33,482
This dark mass...
335
00:21:37,066 --> 00:21:39,076
Standing...
336
00:21:39,077 --> 00:21:41,357
Smothering.
337
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:43,668
[ Sighs ]
338
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:49,309
There's just some psycho
[Bleep] going on in this house.
339
00:21:50,995 --> 00:21:54,321
I heard a rumor that he may have
drowned in a ditch. Is that correct?
340
00:21:54,322 --> 00:21:58,942
My great-grandfather
died in July of 1936.
341
00:21:59,316 --> 00:22:02,694
He didn't come home for supper one
night, and so my great-grandmother
342
00:22:02,695 --> 00:22:05,370
had some of the local
men out looking for him.
343
00:22:05,371 --> 00:22:09,377
And they found his hat and
jacket by the irrigation ditch.
344
00:22:09,378 --> 00:22:11,220
And they drained the ditch and somebody,
345
00:22:11,221 --> 00:22:14,032
went down in there and
brought the body out.
346
00:22:14,033 --> 00:22:16,781
And when I found the
death certificate here,
347
00:22:16,782 --> 00:22:19,078
it says the official cause is drowning.
348
00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:22,014
But it does leave the question of...
349
00:22:22,015 --> 00:22:24,850
Did he have a heart attack
and fall in the ditch or...
350
00:22:24,851 --> 00:22:27,421
Do you think there's any
foul play involved here?
351
00:22:27,422 --> 00:22:29,482
I've wondered about the oldest boy.
352
00:22:29,483 --> 00:22:30,894
In what way?
353
00:22:30,895 --> 00:22:33,434
Because he was very
devoted to his mother.
354
00:22:33,435 --> 00:22:35,493
The day that he ended up dead,
355
00:22:35,494 --> 00:22:39,613
there were people trying to get
the kids taken out of their custody.
356
00:22:39,614 --> 00:22:41,913
The day of his funeral,
357
00:22:41,914 --> 00:22:45,605
they all went home, and the oldest boy
said, "we don't ever talk about this".
358
00:22:45,606 --> 00:22:48,942
And great-grandma
never talked about it.
359
00:22:48,943 --> 00:22:50,609
Wow.
360
00:22:50,610 --> 00:22:53,490
[ Insects chirping ]
361
00:22:54,981 --> 00:22:57,149
And then that thing is behind me.
362
00:22:57,150 --> 00:22:58,607
What thing?
363
00:22:58,608 --> 00:23:01,810
The dead guy from upstairs.
364
00:23:01,811 --> 00:23:03,584
Okay.
365
00:23:03,585 --> 00:23:06,987
And is laughing hysterically.
366
00:23:06,988 --> 00:23:10,996
This tormentor from upstairs is furious
that I've seen through his disguise
367
00:23:10,997 --> 00:23:13,808
and can tell that he's not
actually a shadow figure.
368
00:23:13,809 --> 00:23:17,719
He clearly wants me to
get out of the house.
369
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,100
He just followed me in from the garage.
370
00:23:23,676 --> 00:23:27,246
He's very, very, very angry.
371
00:23:27,247 --> 00:23:29,728
Oh, I don't feel good in here.
372
00:23:29,729 --> 00:23:32,746
This one's, like, really, really bad.
373
00:23:32,747 --> 00:23:36,121
He says, "oh, can't
breathe, can you? Ha ha".
374
00:23:36,122 --> 00:23:39,542
I can't breathe. [ Gasps ]
375
00:23:49,172 --> 00:23:51,295
Di Schiavi: After hearing
about John Shannon,
376
00:23:51,296 --> 00:23:55,266
I needed to see if there's any other
suspicious deaths related to the property.
377
00:23:55,267 --> 00:23:57,568
As I'm looking through
the town's records,
378
00:23:57,569 --> 00:24:02,073
I found that a young newlywed, Gertrude
Weaver, used to live on Cara's land.
379
00:24:02,074 --> 00:24:07,311
She died while away on her
honeymoon, but the cause is unclear.
380
00:24:07,312 --> 00:24:11,007
Newspaper reports list three
different causes of death...
381
00:24:11,008 --> 00:24:15,590
Accident, suicide, and
homicide, all by gunshot.
382
00:24:15,591 --> 00:24:18,725
Now that I've got two mysterious
deaths on one property,
383
00:24:18,726 --> 00:24:22,160
I need to try to figure out
how Gertrude Weaver really died.
384
00:24:22,161 --> 00:24:25,041
[ Insects chirping ]
385
00:24:31,426 --> 00:24:35,986
Allan: I just saw,
like, someone walk by.
386
00:24:40,212 --> 00:24:43,047
It was a woman, younger.
387
00:24:43,048 --> 00:24:45,583
She might just be some
residual or something.
388
00:24:45,584 --> 00:24:48,789
Like, there's no, like, interaction.
389
00:24:48,790 --> 00:24:52,390
Can you describe her at all?
390
00:24:57,897 --> 00:25:01,365
She's wearing a nightgown that's white
391
00:25:01,366 --> 00:25:04,797
with, like, little
design here or something
392
00:25:04,798 --> 00:25:08,390
and little poufy sleeves,
like these, kind of.
393
00:25:08,391 --> 00:25:11,151
Gaunt face, long.
394
00:25:11,664 --> 00:25:16,344
And I kind of did hear
"suicide" with her.
395
00:25:17,783 --> 00:25:20,371
Di Schiavi: All of the newspaper
reports say that Gertrude Weaver
396
00:25:20,372 --> 00:25:24,504
was shot by a gun her husband gave
her to use in case of an emergency.
397
00:25:24,505 --> 00:25:29,585
But the papers don't confirm if her death
was an accident, homicide, or suicide.
398
00:25:29,586 --> 00:25:31,704
So I'm meeting with
an antique gun expert
399
00:25:31,705 --> 00:25:36,865
who says he can help me
figure out what happened.
400
00:25:42,741 --> 00:25:45,774
Di Schiavi: Now, is this the same
type of weapon that killed Gertrude?
401
00:25:45,775 --> 00:25:48,655
Horne: Yes, it is.
402
00:26:03,551 --> 00:26:05,849
In your opinion, could
this have been an accident?
403
00:26:05,850 --> 00:26:09,757
To have an accidental shooting with one
of these would be extremely difficult.
404
00:26:09,758 --> 00:26:12,867
What if it was cocked back and it's
leaning up against the wall, for instance?
405
00:26:12,868 --> 00:26:14,712
If it falls, would it go off?
406
00:26:14,713 --> 00:26:17,367
The chances of it going
off are almost nil.
407
00:26:17,368 --> 00:26:18,870
It's not a hair trigger.
408
00:26:18,871 --> 00:26:21,835
You would actually have to pull the
trigger in order for the gun to go off.
409
00:26:21,836 --> 00:26:24,613
Okay, so we can rule out accidental.
410
00:26:24,614 --> 00:26:28,643
But as a general rule, women do
not kill themselves with a firearm.
411
00:26:28,644 --> 00:26:31,094
My opinion... somebody shot her.
412
00:26:31,095 --> 00:26:33,285
But we can't rule out suicide.
413
00:26:33,286 --> 00:26:35,842
Two reasons why I don't
think this was a suicide
414
00:26:35,843 --> 00:26:38,760
is the length of the rifle
and the weight of the rifle.
415
00:26:38,761 --> 00:26:40,605
Feel how heavy that is.
416
00:26:40,606 --> 00:26:42,749
Wow. It's heavier than it looks.
417
00:26:42,750 --> 00:26:44,599
It's a 12 to 13 pound rifle.
418
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,808
I mean, a 21-year-old
small woman,
419
00:26:46,809 --> 00:26:50,672
you know, in order to hold it like this
and get shot center-mass in the heart...
420
00:26:50,673 --> 00:26:54,095
I mean, she'd have to be 6'8 with 4-foot
arms in order to do that to herself.
421
00:26:54,096 --> 00:26:55,428
Right.
422
00:26:55,429 --> 00:26:58,481
But people can be really resourceful,
and if she wanted to do it,
423
00:26:58,482 --> 00:27:00,301
- she could have rigged something.
- Yeah.
424
00:27:00,302 --> 00:27:02,751
She'd have to prop it
up somehow or rig it.
425
00:27:02,752 --> 00:27:04,663
I've seen people put
their toes in the friggin'
426
00:27:04,664 --> 00:27:06,885
trigger guard and blow their brains out.
427
00:27:06,886 --> 00:27:12,106
Who knows what was going
through this girl's head?
428
00:27:20,370 --> 00:27:22,793
Allan: During my walk, I
watched an old dead woman
429
00:27:22,794 --> 00:27:26,509
trying to protect a panicked living
woman from a dangerous entity.
430
00:27:26,510 --> 00:27:31,497
I'm working with a sketch
artist to describe what I saw.
431
00:27:31,498 --> 00:27:37,398
There is a woman who's kneeling
on the couch facing the wall.
432
00:27:39,289 --> 00:27:45,169
She has her hands up on the
top of the back of the couch.
433
00:27:45,221 --> 00:27:48,811
And then there's, like,
a little old lady who...
434
00:27:48,812 --> 00:27:51,632
Is standing close.
435
00:27:53,567 --> 00:27:55,267
- Describe this woman for me.
- Okay.
436
00:27:55,268 --> 00:27:59,748
She was pretty old, so
she's fairly wrinkled.
437
00:27:59,749 --> 00:28:03,949
And she's wearing big, thick glasses.
438
00:28:04,886 --> 00:28:07,763
Can you tell me anything
more about the hairstyle?
439
00:28:07,764 --> 00:28:12,264
It kind of stands up, but it curls back.
440
00:28:15,592 --> 00:28:18,712
Is this what you saw?
441
00:28:19,451 --> 00:28:21,311
Yes.
442
00:28:41,497 --> 00:28:44,556
Di Schiavi: Now that Amy and I
have completed our investigations,
443
00:28:44,557 --> 00:28:49,728
we're ready to reveal our
findings for the first time.
444
00:28:49,729 --> 00:28:51,697
Cara, it's good to see you again.
445
00:28:51,698 --> 00:28:54,277
I want to introduce
you to my partner, Amy.
446
00:28:54,278 --> 00:28:57,720
Cara lives here. She's a
single mom with two children.
447
00:28:57,721 --> 00:28:59,711
The three of them are
living in terror here.
448
00:28:59,712 --> 00:29:03,453
Her oldest son, Noah, is
probably the most affected by it.
449
00:29:03,454 --> 00:29:05,497
He's afraid to be in the house alone.
450
00:29:05,498 --> 00:29:08,833
He has to sleep with the light on,
can't have his friends over to the house,
451
00:29:08,834 --> 00:29:11,686
and she feels it's
destroying his childhood.
452
00:29:11,687 --> 00:29:13,771
With that being said, I'm
gonna turn it over to Amy,
453
00:29:13,772 --> 00:29:18,572
so we can hear a little
bit about her walk.
454
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:26,295
When I walked into the
house, I saw a woman.
455
00:29:26,296 --> 00:29:28,214
She's a living person.
456
00:29:28,215 --> 00:29:30,449
And she was just flipping out.
457
00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:33,413
She was screaming and
yelling and out of control.
458
00:29:33,414 --> 00:29:37,914
I was seeing everything
through her eyes.
459
00:29:38,394 --> 00:29:44,294
Allan: The lady who's freaking out
is alive, and they're being attacked.
460
00:29:45,765 --> 00:29:49,125
It's really bad in here.
461
00:29:49,302 --> 00:29:54,725
The other person that was there was
this little old lady that is dead,
462
00:29:54,726 --> 00:29:58,110
and she's a conscious entity.
463
00:29:58,111 --> 00:30:02,981
I feel, definitely, a
female presence in the house.
464
00:30:02,982 --> 00:30:05,642
I did sketch the scene that I saw.
465
00:30:05,643 --> 00:30:08,357
- The scene of what? The two women?
- Of the two women.
466
00:30:08,358 --> 00:30:11,222
You saw the living woman
and the dead woman together?
467
00:30:11,223 --> 00:30:13,083
Yes.
468
00:30:16,012 --> 00:30:17,872
Wow.
469
00:30:23,752 --> 00:30:26,812
Take a look at that.
470
00:30:33,179 --> 00:30:36,184
So, the person in the
background is a living woman.
471
00:30:36,185 --> 00:30:40,526
And she was really being tormented
by whatever was happening.
472
00:30:40,527 --> 00:30:46,427
The impression I got was something moving
by or something that was scaring her.
473
00:30:47,501 --> 00:30:51,300
And this is the old lady who's dead.
474
00:30:51,301 --> 00:30:53,682
That's very scary.
475
00:30:53,683 --> 00:30:57,413
I'm a hospice nurse, and
so I deal with death...
476
00:30:57,414 --> 00:30:59,794
- All of the time.
- Oh, man.
477
00:30:59,795 --> 00:31:04,865
It could be a lady that I
had pass about a year ago...
478
00:31:04,866 --> 00:31:09,042
- Oh, wow.
- That I really cared about.
479
00:31:09,043 --> 00:31:11,759
She's very, very protective
of the lavender room
480
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,590
and spends a large
amount of time in there...
481
00:31:14,591 --> 00:31:19,151
Uh, just sitting and
being, like, calming.
482
00:31:19,159 --> 00:31:21,205
That's your daughter's room,
483
00:31:21,206 --> 00:31:26,606
and she seems to be the
least affected in the house.
484
00:31:26,802 --> 00:31:29,437
There's another woman here.
485
00:31:29,438 --> 00:31:34,973
She was a younger woman and
she had long light-brown hair.
486
00:31:34,974 --> 00:31:39,954
And when she was walking
by, I heard "suicide".
487
00:31:40,004 --> 00:31:44,168
The house is only 27 years old,
so I looked into the land here.
488
00:31:44,169 --> 00:31:48,819
Where your house sits was part
of a big, huge 17,000-acre farm,
489
00:31:48,820 --> 00:31:50,270
set up into homesteads.
490
00:31:50,271 --> 00:31:54,068
And the turn of the century, there was
a woman by the name of Gertrude Weaver
491
00:31:54,069 --> 00:31:57,210
who lived on the farmland here.
492
00:31:57,211 --> 00:32:00,031
This is her here.
493
00:32:02,204 --> 00:32:04,416
One day, they found her dead.
494
00:32:04,417 --> 00:32:06,382
She was shot in the chest.
495
00:32:06,383 --> 00:32:10,957
So, the newspaper articles on
Gertrude's death listed three causes...
496
00:32:10,958 --> 00:32:14,126
Accidental, suicide, and homicide.
497
00:32:14,127 --> 00:32:17,428
I consulted with a rifle expert,
and he ruled out accidental.
498
00:32:17,429 --> 00:32:20,749
But, in my opinion as
a homicide investigator,
499
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:24,721
I'm leaning towards homicide,
but I can't rule out suicide...
500
00:32:24,722 --> 00:32:28,562
- Whoa.
- Because it's possible.
501
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:31,369
Is she dangerous to Cara and her family?
502
00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:32,527
No.
503
00:32:32,528 --> 00:32:37,091
But the next individual that I
encountered I believe is responsible
504
00:32:37,092 --> 00:32:42,612
for everything that is going
on in the house that's negative.
505
00:32:42,613 --> 00:32:45,487
He is the tormentor.
506
00:32:45,488 --> 00:32:49,812
I saw him trying to hold
down and smother a child.
507
00:32:49,813 --> 00:32:54,187
And then he made me feel
like I couldn't breathe.
508
00:32:54,188 --> 00:32:59,961
If somebody were to perceive him, it
would look more like a shadow person.
509
00:32:59,962 --> 00:33:05,862
He can go anywhere he wants in the house,
but he loves the blue room's closet.
510
00:33:06,297 --> 00:33:11,043
This is where he likes to be, so it just
so happens that whoever's in this room
511
00:33:11,044 --> 00:33:14,565
would get more frightened
than everybody else,
512
00:33:14,566 --> 00:33:17,023
because he's more consistently here.
513
00:33:17,024 --> 00:33:20,368
That describes what's going on
with your son to a "T" almost.
514
00:33:20,369 --> 00:33:25,064
Yeah, he sees a shadow person
beside his door all the time...
515
00:33:25,065 --> 00:33:25,983
Okay.
516
00:33:25,984 --> 00:33:29,168
Kind of like a blurry
edged shadow person.
517
00:33:29,169 --> 00:33:29,969
Mm hmm.
518
00:33:29,970 --> 00:33:35,244
And I can't even close the
door without him screaming.
519
00:33:35,245 --> 00:33:38,315
So, I go out into the backyard.
520
00:33:38,316 --> 00:33:43,456
And I actually get to see his
true self when he was alive.
521
00:33:43,457 --> 00:33:45,883
He seemed to be some
type of farmer or rancher.
522
00:33:45,884 --> 00:33:50,325
He was really, really stressed
out about his water source
523
00:33:50,326 --> 00:33:55,457
and water issues that were
happening at that time.
524
00:33:55,458 --> 00:33:57,728
We have water issues.
525
00:33:57,729 --> 00:34:01,178
I've had 8 separate floods
in 10 years in my home.
526
00:34:01,179 --> 00:34:03,901
Fixed pipes, multiple sump pumps,
527
00:34:03,902 --> 00:34:06,169
and then when everything
was fixed in the basement,
528
00:34:06,170 --> 00:34:09,506
a manhole cover flooded my
basement, not any of my neighbors.
529
00:34:09,507 --> 00:34:12,014
None of my neighbors
have had the issues.
530
00:34:12,015 --> 00:34:17,415
Most people lived here only
two years, except for me.
531
00:34:18,248 --> 00:34:22,993
He really believes that this is his
home, that you're his possessions,
532
00:34:22,994 --> 00:34:25,021
and he...
533
00:34:25,022 --> 00:34:27,542
Is an abuser.
534
00:34:27,828 --> 00:34:30,712
Amy, let me tell you about
this guy John Shannon.
535
00:34:30,713 --> 00:34:32,794
He was a lousy farmer.
536
00:34:32,795 --> 00:34:38,135
And his biggest worries was
irrigation and the water.
537
00:34:40,456 --> 00:34:43,342
- This is him as a farmer.
- Oh.
538
00:34:43,343 --> 00:34:47,483
- All right? And this is him.
- Oh.
539
00:34:48,104 --> 00:34:51,783
- There's a better photo of him up close.
- Whoa.
540
00:34:51,784 --> 00:34:56,490
I talked to his great-granddaughter,
and she told me...
541
00:34:56,491 --> 00:34:59,614
He beat a horse so bad, people
had to pull him off the horse.
542
00:34:59,615 --> 00:35:02,015
Oh, my God.
543
00:35:02,053 --> 00:35:04,419
Matter of fact, he abused his kids.
544
00:35:04,420 --> 00:35:07,418
And it got to the point
where the older kids,
545
00:35:07,419 --> 00:35:09,923
would take the younger kids and
hide them when he'd come home,
546
00:35:09,924 --> 00:35:12,460
because they were so afraid
of him beating them down.
547
00:35:12,461 --> 00:35:15,920
The state was gonna come and take,
548
00:35:15,921 --> 00:35:21,069
his eight children away from him and
his wife because he was so abusive.
549
00:35:21,070 --> 00:35:23,982
John Shannon dies in July of 1936.
550
00:35:23,983 --> 00:35:28,183
And I got the death certificate here.
551
00:35:28,544 --> 00:35:31,954
His cause of death is drowning.
552
00:35:31,955 --> 00:35:36,040
And they find him in a water ditch.
553
00:35:36,041 --> 00:35:38,976
The great-granddaughter thinks
that maybe somebody murdered him.
554
00:35:38,977 --> 00:35:43,306
She had the feeling that the
oldest boy might have done it.
555
00:35:43,307 --> 00:35:47,327
But do you think this is the guy?
556
00:35:49,354 --> 00:35:51,334
I do.
557
00:35:53,504 --> 00:35:56,384
[ Insects chirping ]
558
00:35:56,855 --> 00:36:00,677
The part that really concerned me was...
559
00:36:00,678 --> 00:36:05,838
I encountered the beginnings
of a PK manifestation.
560
00:36:06,956 --> 00:36:11,276
That is a branch off of a poltergeist.
561
00:36:14,485 --> 00:36:17,834
These things cut people...
562
00:36:17,835 --> 00:36:20,290
Beat people up...
563
00:36:20,291 --> 00:36:24,671
And it could also possibly kill someone.
564
00:36:34,474 --> 00:36:39,634
I encountered the beginnings
of a PK manifestation.
565
00:36:41,221 --> 00:36:45,541
That is a branch off of a poltergeist.
566
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,509
These things cut people...
567
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:53,922
Beat people up...
568
00:36:53,923 --> 00:36:58,303
And it could also possibly kill someone.
569
00:36:58,343 --> 00:37:00,937
Now, what happens
with a PK manifestation
570
00:37:00,938 --> 00:37:05,806
is that it stems from a
living agent at the location.
571
00:37:05,807 --> 00:37:08,390
It's just purely the person's energy.
572
00:37:08,391 --> 00:37:10,626
It's not something you can see.
573
00:37:10,627 --> 00:37:14,438
These things feed off of negativity.
574
00:37:14,439 --> 00:37:19,168
Fear, anger, depression become
absorbed immediately into this.
575
00:37:19,169 --> 00:37:24,209
And then it starts to
actually create an entity.
576
00:37:25,650 --> 00:37:29,366
It was initially created by a female.
577
00:37:29,367 --> 00:37:32,589
Who's going through a very intense time.
578
00:37:32,590 --> 00:37:35,882
Do you know who formed
it or helped form it?
579
00:37:35,883 --> 00:37:37,628
Well, I think that it's...
580
00:37:37,629 --> 00:37:39,835
Yeah, probably me then.
581
00:37:39,836 --> 00:37:42,132
I have been through a lot of stress.
582
00:37:42,133 --> 00:37:44,053
Okay.
583
00:37:45,083 --> 00:37:48,683
So, does Cara have abilities?
584
00:37:48,733 --> 00:37:50,593
Yes.
585
00:37:51,022 --> 00:37:54,082
And so does her son.
586
00:37:55,552 --> 00:37:58,236
So, you have abilities...
587
00:37:58,237 --> 00:38:02,489
You're in the house with dead people.
588
00:38:02,490 --> 00:38:06,684
And you're under a
great amount of stress.
589
00:38:06,685 --> 00:38:09,925
It's the perfect storm.
590
00:38:11,156 --> 00:38:14,036
[ Insects chirping ]
591
00:38:14,496 --> 00:38:17,965
Well, Cara, this is obviously
not what you wanted to hear,
592
00:38:17,966 --> 00:38:21,558
but the investigations
did give you the answers
593
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:23,857
as to why it's happening,
what's going on.
594
00:38:23,858 --> 00:38:27,465
The big question is, though... is it safe
for you and your children to stay here?
595
00:38:27,466 --> 00:38:32,026
For that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
596
00:38:32,686 --> 00:38:35,121
So, I do believe that you can stay.
597
00:38:35,122 --> 00:38:36,778
Good, good.
598
00:38:36,779 --> 00:38:39,178
Because I can't sell this place.
599
00:38:39,179 --> 00:38:42,918
But there are a few things
that you'll have to do.
600
00:38:42,919 --> 00:38:47,107
The first thing I want to
talk about is cleansing.
601
00:38:47,108 --> 00:38:51,403
Once a week, you physically clean
your house from top to bottom.
602
00:38:51,404 --> 00:38:53,695
When you say to clean
the house top to bottom,
603
00:38:53,696 --> 00:38:56,452
you're talking about actually
cleaning it, like washing and cleaning,
604
00:38:56,453 --> 00:38:59,217
- mopping the floor, and vacuuming?
- Yes. Yes. Yes.
605
00:38:59,218 --> 00:39:03,139
With your situation, the
cleansing is more for,
606
00:39:03,140 --> 00:39:06,654
getting rid of the residual
energy that's collected.
607
00:39:06,655 --> 00:39:08,554
Mm-hmm.
608
00:39:08,555 --> 00:39:10,769
Allan: When people
experience intense trauma,
609
00:39:10,770 --> 00:39:15,060
toxic residual energy can pile
up in their environment like dust.
610
00:39:15,061 --> 00:39:16,873
By cleaning the surfaces of her home,
611
00:39:16,874 --> 00:39:20,609
Cara will wash these layers
of negative energy away.
612
00:39:20,610 --> 00:39:26,510
So, you clean the space out and then
you're going to deal with this guy.
613
00:39:27,443 --> 00:39:32,135
The way that I would suggest doing that
is getting a physical medium in here.
614
00:39:32,136 --> 00:39:35,596
And you're going to
work with that person on,
615
00:39:35,597 --> 00:39:40,178
visualizing him out of the
house to move him out and on.
616
00:39:40,179 --> 00:39:44,859
Exert your power, let
him know who's boss.
617
00:39:45,419 --> 00:39:48,329
After he's gone, am I gonna
still feel him, that's the thing,
618
00:39:48,330 --> 00:39:49,971
- or is it just gonna feel...
- Oh, no.
619
00:39:49,972 --> 00:39:53,185
Because you're gonna do this
with the physical medium.
620
00:39:53,186 --> 00:39:57,703
You're gonna be there 100%
with your abilities, as well.
621
00:39:57,704 --> 00:40:03,604
You're gonna get rid of him, so
you're not gonna feel that anymore.
622
00:40:06,535 --> 00:40:10,703
- What about the old lady?
- She actually is here to try to help.
623
00:40:10,704 --> 00:40:15,998
I mean, it's good for her to be
here right now until he's gone.
624
00:40:15,999 --> 00:40:20,002
She'll be taken care of, like, kind
of inadvertently through this process.
625
00:40:20,003 --> 00:40:23,028
And then the last thing is
dealing with the PK manifestation,
626
00:40:23,029 --> 00:40:27,212
that's, you know,
upstairs in your closet.
627
00:40:27,213 --> 00:40:30,836
What you want to do is a
little bit of counseling,
628
00:40:30,837 --> 00:40:33,269
just to work out those past issues.
629
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:37,048
So, you're taking it outside
of the house to a person...
630
00:40:37,049 --> 00:40:38,691
- Rather than in here.
- Right.
631
00:40:38,692 --> 00:40:41,768
And you're verbalizing
it out to that therapist.
632
00:40:41,769 --> 00:40:44,039
Will it ever go away?
633
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,572
Um, no.
634
00:40:45,573 --> 00:40:51,114
I mean, it, very slowly over a very
long period of time, could dissipate.
635
00:40:51,115 --> 00:40:54,526
So as long as you keep
it stunted, it's great.
636
00:40:54,527 --> 00:40:56,926
What about this guy John Shannon?
637
00:40:56,927 --> 00:41:02,747
Till this stuff gets resolved,
are they gonna be all right?
638
00:41:04,886 --> 00:41:08,671
Yes. You know your power over him.
639
00:41:08,672 --> 00:41:12,947
And so you just need to start
exerting that like nobody's business.
640
00:41:12,948 --> 00:41:15,743
And also tell your
children to do the same.
641
00:41:15,744 --> 00:41:18,846
- So you're empowering them.
- Mm hmm.
642
00:41:18,847 --> 00:41:21,682
Well, Cara, you're gonna
do what she tells you.
643
00:41:21,683 --> 00:41:25,043
- Definitely, yes.
- Okay.
644
00:41:27,823 --> 00:41:33,460
Allan: I truly believe the PK manifestation
poses a dangerous threat to Cara's family.
645
00:41:33,461 --> 00:41:36,581
If she follows the steps I
outlined, it will slowly dissolve,
646
00:41:36,582 --> 00:41:41,028
and she and her two kids can
live in their home in peace.
647
00:41:41,029 --> 00:41:46,929
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