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Subs created by: David Coleman.
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Oh, yeah, this is creepy.
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We've heard things. We've been touched.
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He can get physical if he wants to.
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My daughter talks about seeing things.
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It looked like a Grim Reaper.
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The death was suspicious.
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He was killed instantly.
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[Imitates cracking]
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So you feel that whatever's
here wants you out?
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Absolutely.
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[Amy] He wants to hurt people.
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They're being watched.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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This thing likes death.
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I see dead people.
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This thing is, like, a monster.
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I speak to dead people.
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And he's pissed off now.
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And they speak to me.
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His head was cracked.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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This guy was murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide Detective.
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I cannot help you unless
I know the whole story.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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You saw her? It's my job to reveal them.
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Why would you stay here?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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Stop it.
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We uncover if it's safe for you to stay...
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I want to know the truth. I
want to know what's happening.
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Or time to get out.
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[Voice breaking] I told you there
were ghosts in this house.
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[Indistinct whispering]
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[Steve] Amy and I conduct our
investigations separately.
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I interview witnesses and dig
into the history of the location.
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While Amy communicates with the dead.
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At the end, we get together
to reveal our findings.
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I'm in Wichita, Kansas, on my way to a
property owned by a husband-and-wife team.
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They run a beauty salon and an
auto shop on the same property.
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The husband Jeff says violent spirits
are destroying his business,
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their family life, and their sanity.
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[Matt] Amy needs to be free from
outside influences during her walk.
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So it's important that I cover
or remove all photographs,
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artwork, and even religious icons.
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Once I'm done, the building will
be clear for tonight's walk.
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[Eerie music playing]
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Uh, well, I'm not open at all.
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[Amy] I usually open to communicate
with the dead as I approach a location.
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But this area has such an overwhelming
amount of death surrounding it...
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That I decided to do my
opening inside the location.
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This is some... some...
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Some bad [Bleep] going on over in here.
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Not good. Not good at all.
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Yeah, this is some bad stuff.
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Bad ground. Always been bad.
Will always be bad.
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Bad [Bleep] is always gonna happen here.
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[Eerie music playing]
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Jeff, you sounded concerned on the phone.
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Well, I am concerned.
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You know, really I'm fighting
to save two businesses here.
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- My wife has the salon here in front.
- Okay.
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And then I have my garage here at the back.
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Give me an idea what's going on.
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We've heard things. We've
been touched, pushed.
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We've had things misplaced
in the salon and the shop.
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I'd like my kids to be able
to take over the business,
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but right now I'm not even
comfortable having 'em in there.
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- How old are the kids?
- Fifteen and nine.
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My daughter's actually experienced things,
and you know, as a father that concerns me,
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because I'm, you know, not sure if she can
handle that or understands what's going on.
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How are you and your
wife handling all this?
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My wife would just as soon sell the
place, where I want to keep it.
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And you know, this is something that
we built over the last seven years...
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And I'm not just willing
to walk away from it.
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Okay. What about yourself? Have you ever
seen anything or experienced anything?
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I just finished working on some vehicles...
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- Okay.
- And I looked up inside,
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and I saw somebody standing there.
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Looked like an older gentleman, maybe.
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Um, I'm guessing him to be in his
mid to late 50s with a beard.
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Alright, did you go inside to search?
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We did. All of us went inside.
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We found out that there
was nobody in there.
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There's one kinda creepy dude.
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He's kinda like a greaser dude.
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And he likes his area.
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- What's that?
- Um...
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The driveway, this whole thing...
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This whole building...
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His territory.
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To me, he's, like, just a tough
guy, you know, just like...
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"I'm... I'm tough. I'm bad.
I'm big. I'm bad".
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Like, would you say that he's dangerous?
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Yes.
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But he's kinda [Bleep] up.
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[Eerie music playing]
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So what's going on in here?
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There's a lot of things
that happen in here.
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We started to notice that
tools would come up missing.
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If you can't find 'em,
you can't work with 'em.
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- Anything else, Jeff?
- We've heard whispering.
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I remember a time I was leaned over the
back of a car, and I'm in there working.
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You know, you're turning wrenches, and
you're focused on what you're doing.
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And then suddenly someone
whispers in my ear.
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And I know that I'm alone in the garage
at that particular point, but I stand up.
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There was nothing in here.
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[Amy] He likes to yell. Uh,
he likes to hear his voice.
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He likes to hear himself.
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He's able to manifest things.
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Like, it's weird.
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He likes to take things and make
'em disappear and reappear...
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Reappear in weird places.
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That's to irritate people.
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He doesn't want anybody in his space.
He hates them.
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- [Matt] And what's...
- Living or dead.
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He just doesn't want anybody in his space.
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[Jeff] We were just opening
up for the morning,
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and we heard footsteps run
right across the top of us.
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[Footsteps]
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We had gone up there,
couldn't find anything.
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And that's when we really started to worry,
because we expected to find something.
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What the hell were you
thinking when that happened?
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It's disturbing. You're concerned.
You think somebody might be in here.
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But then a whole new fear rushes
over you that someone's not in here.
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So, Jeff, I'm assuming the guys you've got
working for you are, like, guy's guys,
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- you know, tough guys and...
- Yeah.
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They don't want to admit
that they're scared,
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but you can see fear in somebody's eyes.
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You can tell that they're not
just bothered by what happened,
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but that it actually frightened them,
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to the point that they don't even
want to talk about it sometimes.
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Do you think that anything that's going
on in the garage could be dangerous?
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If it can, you know, move tools around in a
garage, if it can do things like that...
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- Right.
- It could certainly try and hurt somebody.
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Right. Okay.
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Does this guy interact
with the living at all?
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Um, he can get physical if he wants to...
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Grabbing, pushing.
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- Okay.
- He likes to throw things.
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Could he hurt anybody?
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I think he, uh, I think he could.
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He's really good at the stuff
he's already learned how to do.
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He knows how to affect his environment.
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Obviously this is a storage space.
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Um, did you use it? I mean,
it's kinda, like, wasted.
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No. My guys have reported the same thing.
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None of 'em want to come back
here, you know, if they're gonna,
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put something in here for storage, they
either try and leave it for me to do,
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or they just come, throw it in
here, and yank the door shut.
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I wish we could use it, I wish
we could do something with it,
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but nobody likes to be out here.
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- Why?
- You just feel a presence...
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A heaviness about the area.
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It's like you can't get a full
breath, you know, in your lungs.
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Like you can't breathe all the way.
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Like you're in high altitude or something?
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Right, just like that.
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[Amy] Oh, yeah, this is creepy.
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What is?
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The thing that's in here.
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Making me feel uncomfortable and scared.
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Like, I felt scared in my stomach.
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What thing?
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Death.
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[Indistinct whispering]
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This is creepy.
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What is?
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Um, it looked like...
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Like a Grim Reaper.
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But I think it's, you know, just
a regular dead person because,
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I've seen death, and it doesn't...
doesn't look anything like that.
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[Amy] We all associate
certain images with death.
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And we take those images
with us when we die.
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It had, like, the whole thing, like,
skeleton face and the whole...
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Cloak and the sickle.
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This dead man's projection is childish,
but it is still creeping me out.
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Which is exactly what he wants to do.
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Now I'm picking up on his
death state and feeling, um,
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everything that he went through physically.
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It's, like, really hurting my head.
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- I just feel very, very sick.
- You gonna be all right?
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I'm out of it. Like, my equilibrium's off.
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Uh, disoriented.
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It [Bleep] hurts, man.
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So, Emily, I was talking to your
husband Jeff and he basically said,
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you were ready to put the "for sale"
sign on this place and get outta here.
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What's going on?
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From the first time we unlocked the door
here, it's never felt like it's been ours.
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- Why do you say that?
- Um, stuff moves.
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People get pushed.
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You hear people whispering in your ears.
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Doing hair there was a container
sitting on my cabinet,
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it was in the middle of the station it
flipped in the air, and landed on its side.
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- What was in the can? Was it heavy?
- It was heavy, it was like a pomade.
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It was bad. It was scary.
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He never came back and got his hair cut.
And he was a regular for years.
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Okay, so you're losing business
because of what's going on.
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Absolutely. One time I said...
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"Show me you're here, do something so that
I know you're here, and I'm not crazy".
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And I turned to shut the door behind
me, and I saw someone standing
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right in the entryway between the
kitchen and the living room.
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- Who'd you see?
- I saw a man standing there.
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With a shirt and jeans.
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He had a goatee and gray hair.
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All right, so do you feel that
whatever's here wants you out?
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Absolutely.
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[Eerie music playing]
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[Amy] The dead man inside
the garage is so sick,
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that I'm experiencing exactly what
he went through when he died.
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The pain is so intense
that I have to leave.
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There's a lot of stuff
coming in from outside.
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I'm, like, seeing this woman who's alive.
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But the dead are just, like, following her.
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And then they're inside.
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Why are they following her?
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Uh, because she has abilities.
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Do you have any idea if this Reaper
guy does follow her in here?
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Yes.
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Can he do anything to people here?
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Cause headaches and breathing issues...
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And feeling like you're gonna vomit.
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Okay, so what's going on here?
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[Emily] My daughter talks
about seeing things.
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She even drew a picture of, like,
a black figure with red eyes.
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And she said that's something she saw here.
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- Where's the picture?
- I threw it away immediately.
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- I didn't want to think about it again.
- Now what did she say it was?
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It had no form, but you could tell it had
arms and legs, and it was all black.
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How'd you react to it?
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It made my heart stop, because I don't
want to be putting her in danger.
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Emily, your daughter's 9?
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Yes. I want to preserve her innocence.
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I don't want her to be scared.
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Okay.
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[Amy] The dead guy who showed
himself to me as the Grim Reaper...
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Throughout his life he
seems to have some money.
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Does he try to show himself to the living?
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Well, he wants to, because
he has his disguises.
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He likes the Grim Reaper the best.
246
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So would people see him as
the Grim Reaper in here?
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I would think that he would
come off more like...
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Like just, like, a black
mass or something like that.
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And he wants to...
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Make other people hurt themselves.
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[Steve] Daniel, I was talking to Jeff,
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and he mentioned that you
do work for him on and off.
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He said you might have had
experiences here yourself.
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Yeah, something did happen one night.
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Me and Jeff were working with
a battery that overheated.
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We went and set it down
and got another one.
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A couple minutes later I went back to
the kitchen to get something to drink,
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opened the freezer up, and the
battery was sitting in the freezer.
259
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So where'd you lay the battery down first?
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Laid the battery down on the counter
across from the refrigerator.
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Jeff was with me the whole time.
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And nobody else was in the house?
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Nobody else was there at that time.
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When that happened to me, I was
more cautious about working here.
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- You don't look like you scare easy.
- I don't scare easy.
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I spent nine years in the Marine corps.
267
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But stuff that you can't
explain tends to, you know,
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scare you a little bit to where you're
thinking, "what's going on here?"
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[Amy] The greaser dude, he likes his area.
270
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The entities here are very territorial.
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As soon as I walk to the garage, I'm
back in the greaser guy's space.
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He gets pissed, you know,
if people are in his area.
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So he will try to make them leave.
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[Matt] Do you know how?
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Things will be moved, like, taken
from one place and put in another.
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I think this guy is
actually Apporting [Bleep].
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Apporting is the ability
to make things disappear,
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and reappear in different locations.
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Entities that have mastered
this can be very dangerous.
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He's, like, really kind of a sociopath.
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Like, he doesn't have any...
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Feelings or anything like that.
283
00:17:19,218 --> 00:17:21,666
I feel like...
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Him, like, grabbing, like, my face.
285
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You know, like, he would do that...
[heart beating] You know, like...
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[Indistinct whispering]
287
00:17:37,710 --> 00:17:39,731
I'm headed over to meet
with a woman named Cheryl.
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She's the former owner of the property.
289
00:17:42,801 --> 00:17:47,180
She tells me her time on the
property ended in tragedy.
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I've gotta find out what this is all about.
291
00:17:59,017 --> 00:18:02,519
[Steve] Cheryl, I got called in
to investigate your old home.
292
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- How long did you live there?
- About five years.
293
00:18:05,157 --> 00:18:08,392
What did you use the garage for?
Was it always a garage?
294
00:18:08,393 --> 00:18:12,827
We did a lot of hangouts
with friends in there.
295
00:18:12,828 --> 00:18:18,093
People came by every day, and
it was like they lived there.
296
00:18:18,094 --> 00:18:20,071
Looks like you had a good
time, a lot of bikers.
297
00:18:20,072 --> 00:18:22,691
A lot of bikers.
298
00:18:22,692 --> 00:18:25,463
Uh, I gotta ask an unusual question.
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The people that are living
there now are claiming
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there's a lot of paranormal
activity going on.
301
00:18:29,582 --> 00:18:32,179
When you lived there, did you ever
experience anything like that?
302
00:18:32,180 --> 00:18:36,711
Nothing happened paranormally, but we lost
three of our dear friends within a year.
303
00:18:36,712 --> 00:18:39,532
- Really?
- Right.
304
00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:46,040
This is Kevin. He's in the middle.
305
00:18:46,201 --> 00:18:47,738
How'd you lose Kevin?
306
00:18:47,739 --> 00:18:52,570
Kevin was hit by a car on his motorcycle,
and he was killed instantly.
307
00:18:52,571 --> 00:18:54,373
And then we lost Tony.
308
00:18:54,374 --> 00:18:56,875
And he practically lived there.
309
00:18:56,876 --> 00:18:59,744
He had a stroke, and he died.
310
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He looks like a young guy, though.
How old was he?
311
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Oh, he was in his late 50s.
312
00:19:05,919 --> 00:19:09,487
And then we had Mark, and he passed
away, and he was a dear friend.
313
00:19:09,488 --> 00:19:14,734
He had previously lived in the basement
of that house back 20 years ago.
314
00:19:14,735 --> 00:19:15,992
And what did he die of?
315
00:19:15,993 --> 00:19:19,692
He went to bed and didn't wake up.
316
00:19:19,693 --> 00:19:21,233
I don't know what happened to him.
317
00:19:21,234 --> 00:19:26,771
I mean, he went from driving a brand-new
car to just living month to month.
318
00:19:26,772 --> 00:19:28,830
He had some problems and some issues.
319
00:19:28,831 --> 00:19:34,731
He lived in an apartment complex that had
a lot of people that did drugs in it.
320
00:19:34,766 --> 00:19:39,129
Whatever he was doing, he just
looked worse every time I saw him.
321
00:19:39,130 --> 00:19:42,132
Were you surprised when
they found him dead?
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00:19:42,133 --> 00:19:43,933
No.
323
00:19:50,007 --> 00:19:52,463
The greaser dude, he's tall.
324
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He's wearing a black,
like, '50s biker jacket.
325
00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:01,260
He killed himself, and he was intoxicated.
326
00:20:01,826 --> 00:20:03,959
He was mad when I walked away.
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00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,469
[Amy] As soon as I asked the
greaser guy about his death,
328
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:11,634
he gets very angry and wants
nothing to do with me.
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00:20:11,635 --> 00:20:15,595
He's not gonna talk to me again.
330
00:20:19,810 --> 00:20:21,918
[Steve] Cheryl had some
pretty tragic stories about
331
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the people that used to
hang out at her house.
332
00:20:24,708 --> 00:20:27,833
But no deaths actually happened there.
333
00:20:27,834 --> 00:20:33,734
So I'm at the Genealogical Society seeing
what I can dig up in the archives.
334
00:20:34,752 --> 00:20:37,150
Turns out in 1977...
335
00:20:37,151 --> 00:20:39,121
A former owner named Helen Hillman,
336
00:20:39,122 --> 00:20:44,931
died on the property when she
fell down a flight of stairs.
337
00:20:44,932 --> 00:20:47,473
I've asked a local reporter
to look into the accidental
338
00:20:47,474 --> 00:20:50,602
death of a woman who lived on
Jeff and Emily's property.
339
00:20:50,603 --> 00:20:52,957
I'm heading over to the cemetery
where the woman is buried,
340
00:20:52,958 --> 00:20:56,092
to find out the rest of the story.
341
00:20:56,093 --> 00:20:59,093
[Eerie music playing]
342
00:21:04,238 --> 00:21:08,118
Well, this is actually where
Helen Hillman is buried.
343
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,153
She was married when she was 19 in 1917.
344
00:21:11,154 --> 00:21:13,895
That's a picture of her and
William on their wedding day.
345
00:21:13,896 --> 00:21:17,388
Then they moved from Arkansas to
right outside of Wichita, Kansas,
346
00:21:17,389 --> 00:21:19,247
on the property that you're investigating.
347
00:21:19,248 --> 00:21:20,497
And when did they move in?
348
00:21:20,498 --> 00:21:22,514
1947, I believe.
349
00:21:22,515 --> 00:21:25,420
Now what were you able to find out
about the circumstances of her death?
350
00:21:25,421 --> 00:21:30,544
Well, according to her death certificate,
it said "massive head injury".
351
00:21:30,545 --> 00:21:34,261
Even though she was 79, according to her
descendants, she was in good health.
352
00:21:34,262 --> 00:21:36,025
They said that she had a zest for life.
353
00:21:36,026 --> 00:21:38,418
She was active. She lived independently.
354
00:21:38,419 --> 00:21:40,146
All right, so it was odd the way she died.
355
00:21:40,147 --> 00:21:41,906
Yes, it was very odd.
356
00:21:41,907 --> 00:21:44,458
She had lived in that house for so long,
357
00:21:44,459 --> 00:21:47,306
and the distance between
the stairs and the floor,
358
00:21:47,307 --> 00:21:49,958
wouldn't be enough to
kill someone, typically.
359
00:21:49,959 --> 00:21:52,810
- It says "massive head injuries".
- Mm hmm.
360
00:21:52,811 --> 00:21:55,046
I don't know if that fall can
cause injuries like that.
361
00:21:55,047 --> 00:22:00,447
Yes, and that's why I think
the death is suspicious.
362
00:22:02,715 --> 00:22:05,916
[Amy] There's another person.
363
00:22:05,917 --> 00:22:08,857
She's more evolved.
364
00:22:12,250 --> 00:22:14,240
She's not in her death state anymore.
365
00:22:14,241 --> 00:22:17,852
- She got out of that pretty quickly.
- [Matt] Okay.
366
00:22:17,853 --> 00:22:21,513
I think she broke her neck...
367
00:22:22,393 --> 00:22:25,273
Early of mid '70s.
368
00:22:26,764 --> 00:22:27,685
[Imitates cracking]
369
00:22:27,686 --> 00:22:29,633
She was dead, like, fast.
370
00:22:29,634 --> 00:22:32,035
[Heart beating, woman screams]
371
00:22:32,036 --> 00:22:35,096
[Indistinct whispering]
372
00:22:49,991 --> 00:22:51,613
She's not in her death state anymore.
373
00:22:51,614 --> 00:22:55,620
- She got out of that pretty quickly.
- Okay.
374
00:22:55,621 --> 00:22:57,580
Early of mid '70s...
375
00:22:57,581 --> 00:23:00,701
That's when she died.
376
00:23:01,586 --> 00:23:04,210
She was dead, like, fast.
377
00:23:04,211 --> 00:23:08,171
Broke her neck. [Imitates cracking]
378
00:23:09,705 --> 00:23:13,125
Oh, God, it [Bleep] hurts.
379
00:23:15,428 --> 00:23:17,528
[Grunts]
380
00:23:21,958 --> 00:23:24,809
[Amy] This woman is
making me extremely sad.
381
00:23:24,810 --> 00:23:27,626
She's in so much physical
and emotional pain.
382
00:23:27,627 --> 00:23:30,194
That she seems lost and confused.
383
00:23:30,195 --> 00:23:32,656
And most of all scared.
384
00:23:32,657 --> 00:23:37,577
She kind of, uh, runs
away from living people.
385
00:23:39,991 --> 00:23:43,951
Sometimes she's reliving her life.
386
00:23:44,797 --> 00:23:48,295
Ah, now I'm getting her pain.
387
00:23:48,296 --> 00:23:51,296
[Eerie music playing]
388
00:24:01,767 --> 00:24:03,472
[Steve] I'm on my way to
meet with a historian,
389
00:24:03,473 --> 00:24:05,789
who helped me out the last
time I was in Wichita.
390
00:24:05,790 --> 00:24:07,734
He dug deep into the property's history,
391
00:24:07,735 --> 00:24:13,555
and he told me he uncovered some
pretty unusual information.
392
00:24:19,445 --> 00:24:21,400
So, Anthony, what were you
able to find out about the
393
00:24:21,401 --> 00:24:23,886
early history of the
property I'm investigating?
394
00:24:23,887 --> 00:24:26,134
The interesting thing about
this piece of property,
395
00:24:26,135 --> 00:24:28,772
is the number of times
that it's changed hands.
396
00:24:28,773 --> 00:24:33,911
Over 30 people have owned it since
it was first purchased up until now.
397
00:24:33,912 --> 00:24:37,118
Out of all these people that tend
to come and go on this property,
398
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,466
did anybody stand out?
399
00:24:39,467 --> 00:24:43,239
Yeah, a Dr. Alfred Ray was one of the guys,
400
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,300
that seemed to be very, very interesting.
401
00:24:46,301 --> 00:24:49,532
He was a physician who came
to this part of the country.
402
00:24:49,533 --> 00:24:51,858
He brought his whole family with him,
403
00:24:51,859 --> 00:24:55,070
and he purchased this property,
from the outside looking in,
404
00:24:55,071 --> 00:24:58,234
we assume that he was going to
be setting up his family there.
405
00:24:58,235 --> 00:24:59,994
And living on it for generations.
406
00:24:59,995 --> 00:25:02,742
And yet within less than six months,
407
00:25:02,743 --> 00:25:08,643
he's already sold the property and has
moved on with his whole family with him.
408
00:25:08,649 --> 00:25:12,284
The reason why Dr. Ray stands out so much,
409
00:25:12,285 --> 00:25:15,045
is that he was a man with business savvy.
410
00:25:15,046 --> 00:25:18,953
And yet he comes to this one
particular piece of property.
411
00:25:18,954 --> 00:25:20,648
He's there for six months.
412
00:25:20,649 --> 00:25:23,813
And then he left it without
even developing it.
413
00:25:23,814 --> 00:25:26,454
That's strange.
414
00:25:32,737 --> 00:25:36,049
Bad [Bleep] is always gonna happen here.
415
00:25:36,050 --> 00:25:41,950
It's like, oh, kinda bad, worse,
worse, really, really bad...
416
00:25:42,244 --> 00:25:44,944
[Bleep] Terrible.
417
00:25:45,835 --> 00:25:51,671
So basically it's... it's anybody
that lives here or on this land is...
418
00:25:51,672 --> 00:25:53,562
Are they gonna have problems because of it?
419
00:25:53,563 --> 00:25:55,783
Oh, yeah.
420
00:25:58,315 --> 00:26:03,034
You know, they'll have,
uh, struggle and, uh...
421
00:26:03,035 --> 00:26:05,834
You know, negative things will happen.
422
00:26:05,835 --> 00:26:09,553
So I think it's just automatically gonna...
423
00:26:09,554 --> 00:26:11,354
Draw negativity.
424
00:26:11,355 --> 00:26:14,658
And, like, I think it makes people angry.
425
00:26:14,659 --> 00:26:18,799
It makes people act in bizarre ways.
426
00:26:27,472 --> 00:26:29,857
[Amy] During my walk I saw a strange scene,
427
00:26:29,858 --> 00:26:33,443
where a living person was leading
a trail of dead into the house.
428
00:26:33,444 --> 00:26:37,481
I'm meeting with a sketch artist
to describe what I encountered.
429
00:26:37,482 --> 00:26:42,522
I saw this woman at the
door about to open it.
430
00:26:43,837 --> 00:26:45,979
Behind her...
431
00:26:45,980 --> 00:26:49,280
Is this really tall man.
432
00:26:49,929 --> 00:26:54,309
And he is wearing, like, a black cloak.
433
00:26:55,771 --> 00:26:59,637
And then slightly to his right is...
434
00:26:59,638 --> 00:27:05,538
The back of a man who is wearing a
cowboy hat, jeans, and cowboy boots.
435
00:27:10,841 --> 00:27:14,321
Amy, is this what you saw?
436
00:27:15,987 --> 00:27:17,847
Yes.
437
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,220
[Indistinct whispering]
438
00:27:30,849 --> 00:27:33,849
[Eerie music playing]
439
00:27:37,163 --> 00:27:39,687
[Steve] Now that Amy and I have
finished our investigations.
440
00:27:39,688 --> 00:27:45,140
It's time to sit down with Jeff and his
wife Emily to reveal what we've uncovered.
441
00:27:45,141 --> 00:27:49,523
[Steve] This is Emily and Jeff. They're
married and actually own this property.
442
00:27:49,524 --> 00:27:51,929
Jeff actually runs the garage here.
443
00:27:51,930 --> 00:27:53,991
Emily runs the salon up front.
444
00:27:53,992 --> 00:27:56,993
They've had a lot of experiences here.
It's affecting work.
445
00:27:56,994 --> 00:27:59,655
It's affecting business. And it's
affecting their relationship.
446
00:27:59,656 --> 00:28:03,280
They want to make sure it's okay for them
to stay here and if it's safe for the kids.
447
00:28:03,281 --> 00:28:09,161
That being said, we'll hear a
little bit about Amy's walk.
448
00:28:12,246 --> 00:28:17,612
[Amy] When I started my walk, I came
into contact with this creepy male.
449
00:28:17,613 --> 00:28:21,316
He is a really tall guy.
He had a leather jacket.
450
00:28:21,317 --> 00:28:23,818
His hair is greased back.
451
00:28:23,819 --> 00:28:26,815
He hates anybody in his space.
452
00:28:26,816 --> 00:28:29,825
Because he considers the
driveway, that front area,
453
00:28:29,826 --> 00:28:33,127
and this entire garage and
the back of it his space.
454
00:28:33,128 --> 00:28:36,278
[Jeff] One night I remember
this guy looking from the back,
455
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:39,102
and as I started to go inside...
456
00:28:39,103 --> 00:28:42,823
They were gone just like that.
457
00:28:42,904 --> 00:28:45,313
When he gets upset, he likes to yell.
458
00:28:45,314 --> 00:28:48,080
He likes to throw things.
459
00:28:48,081 --> 00:28:50,849
He also does a thing called Apporting.
460
00:28:50,850 --> 00:28:52,234
What the hell is Apporting?
461
00:28:52,235 --> 00:28:56,194
It's a phenomena where
an object can disappear,
462
00:28:56,195 --> 00:28:58,336
from one place and reappear in another.
463
00:28:58,337 --> 00:29:00,649
Seemingly out of thin air.
464
00:29:00,650 --> 00:29:01,742
[Scoffs]
465
00:29:01,743 --> 00:29:05,152
Why don't you tell Amy about
some of your experiences here.
466
00:29:05,153 --> 00:29:07,676
We definitely get things
moving here all the time.
467
00:29:07,677 --> 00:29:11,818
And whatever's doing this is
moving at a great distance.
468
00:29:11,819 --> 00:29:14,203
Well, I mean, he definitely has a mission.
469
00:29:14,204 --> 00:29:18,793
And everything he does
is to get you to leave.
470
00:29:18,794 --> 00:29:21,410
He did try to physically attack me.
471
00:29:21,411 --> 00:29:27,311
So I feel like he wants to hurt
the living if he hasn't already.
472
00:29:29,055 --> 00:29:31,968
We started to have a really good dialogue,
473
00:29:31,969 --> 00:29:36,700
but what ended up happening was I
felt like he had killed himself.
474
00:29:36,701 --> 00:29:38,439
And I said that...
475
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,601
And he was so,
476
00:29:40,602 --> 00:29:44,382
irate that he just stormed off.
477
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,082
I spoke to the previous
owners of the property.
478
00:29:47,083 --> 00:29:50,586
And they told me this garage
was basically a party house.
479
00:29:50,587 --> 00:29:54,607
So all the bikers would come here.
480
00:29:54,651 --> 00:29:57,459
There was a bar in here.
There was a pool table.
481
00:29:57,460 --> 00:29:59,187
Right after they sold the property,
482
00:29:59,188 --> 00:30:02,608
three of the guys that hung out
here on a continuous basis...
483
00:30:02,609 --> 00:30:04,710
Died within a year.
484
00:30:04,711 --> 00:30:08,073
One died in an accident, got
killed on his motorcycle.
485
00:30:08,074 --> 00:30:10,570
The other guy died of a stroke.
486
00:30:10,571 --> 00:30:15,551
And then the third guy
is this guy right here.
487
00:30:16,484 --> 00:30:18,814
Now his name was Mark.
488
00:30:18,815 --> 00:30:21,210
A lot of the friends thought
he was on a downward spiral,
489
00:30:21,211 --> 00:30:25,587
and that he was in a sense killing
himself by what he was doing to himself.
490
00:30:25,588 --> 00:30:30,628
He actually lived in the
basement of your salon.
491
00:30:31,655 --> 00:30:34,207
Does this guy look familiar at all?
492
00:30:34,208 --> 00:30:38,275
Yeah, I remember distinctly seeing this.
493
00:30:38,276 --> 00:30:43,470
The look in his eyes, him looking
back at me was very similar.
494
00:30:43,471 --> 00:30:45,689
Now, Emily, you saw an apparition.
495
00:30:45,690 --> 00:30:49,389
Yes, between the kitchen
and the living room.
496
00:30:49,390 --> 00:30:51,479
Does this look familiar at all?
497
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,377
Oh, yes, absolutely.
498
00:30:53,378 --> 00:30:57,158
I'm scared with my kids
or my husband out here.
499
00:30:57,159 --> 00:31:00,798
Would he hurt me or somebody out here,
or is he just trying to scare us?
500
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:04,219
No, he wants to hurt you.
501
00:31:04,374 --> 00:31:06,585
He wants you out.
502
00:31:06,586 --> 00:31:09,827
For a dead person to learn how to...
503
00:31:09,828 --> 00:31:13,008
Throw objects, apport...
504
00:31:13,178 --> 00:31:18,278
If you put those together,
you've got a problem.
505
00:31:23,127 --> 00:31:25,647
So what else did you see on your walk?
506
00:31:25,648 --> 00:31:29,848
I saw a woman up in the attic area.
507
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,373
She was, like, re-experiencing her life,
so sometimes she's, like, back in it.
508
00:31:34,374 --> 00:31:38,002
But when she's here, she's very frightened.
509
00:31:38,003 --> 00:31:40,273
She doesn't know where she
is or what's going on.
510
00:31:40,274 --> 00:31:42,140
And she's terrified of the living.
511
00:31:42,141 --> 00:31:45,266
- Now you said the attic?
- Yeah, up those stairs.
512
00:31:45,267 --> 00:31:50,797
We opened the attic door at one point, and
it was almost like we startled someone.
513
00:31:50,798 --> 00:31:55,152
And whatever it was ran
across to the corner.
514
00:31:55,153 --> 00:31:57,686
And we fully expected to find someone.
515
00:31:57,687 --> 00:32:01,739
So we ascended the ladder,
looking for something up there.
516
00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:03,608
There was... there was
never anything there.
517
00:32:03,609 --> 00:32:06,878
She's just really, really terrified.
518
00:32:06,879 --> 00:32:11,619
Her death was so fast
and extremely painful.
519
00:32:11,879 --> 00:32:14,350
She didn't really process it.
520
00:32:14,351 --> 00:32:17,334
It was a very sharp...
521
00:32:17,335 --> 00:32:19,880
Pain in the neck.
522
00:32:19,881 --> 00:32:24,137
And I did get that she died in the '70s.
523
00:32:24,138 --> 00:32:26,068
There's a woman, Helen Hillman,
524
00:32:26,069 --> 00:32:31,533
who lived in the house that your
salon is in from 1947 to 1977.
525
00:32:31,534 --> 00:32:34,073
1977 is when she died.
526
00:32:34,074 --> 00:32:38,634
She fell down the steps into the basement.
527
00:32:39,203 --> 00:32:41,666
- That's where they found her.
- Wow.
528
00:32:41,667 --> 00:32:45,376
She died of massive head injuries.
529
00:32:45,377 --> 00:32:48,917
That's her and her husband.
530
00:32:53,815 --> 00:32:58,075
That's really sad, really, really sad.
531
00:33:00,094 --> 00:33:02,095
So what else did you get on the walk?
532
00:33:02,096 --> 00:33:06,532
I saw something really strange
in the old garage area.
533
00:33:06,533 --> 00:33:11,093
What I saw was your typical Grim Reaper...
534
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,552
The skeleton face, the sickle,
the cloak, the whole thing.
535
00:33:16,553 --> 00:33:19,244
And that's really odd,
because I've seen death,
536
00:33:19,245 --> 00:33:21,820
before and death actually
does not look like that.
537
00:33:21,821 --> 00:33:26,773
So as I'm looking deeper, I can feel
and tell that this is a dead person.
538
00:33:26,774 --> 00:33:28,992
That it's a dead male.
539
00:33:28,993 --> 00:33:32,449
That he hid in life a lot,
540
00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:35,473
and now he's hiding again in death.
541
00:33:35,474 --> 00:33:38,241
When I went in there, I, um...
542
00:33:38,242 --> 00:33:41,075
Felt like I had been beaten up.
543
00:33:41,076 --> 00:33:44,762
I couldn't breathe. My head felt
like it was going to explode.
544
00:33:44,763 --> 00:33:47,050
Tell her the feeling you guys
get when you go back there.
545
00:33:47,051 --> 00:33:50,081
The back side of the property,
especially by that old garage...
546
00:33:50,082 --> 00:33:52,690
We feel this... this pressure.
547
00:33:52,691 --> 00:33:56,506
And I would say it's like the air's
kinda sucked out of the room.
548
00:33:56,507 --> 00:34:02,407
It would be like being in high altitude,
really, but there's no explanation for it.
549
00:34:02,611 --> 00:34:07,753
Basically, he wants to cause
pain and to hurt people.
550
00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:09,792
He's trying to stop you from breathing?
551
00:34:09,793 --> 00:34:11,653
Yes.
552
00:34:12,955 --> 00:34:16,035
The other thing that I saw was...
553
00:34:16,036 --> 00:34:19,756
A sensitive who... who's here.
554
00:34:20,057 --> 00:34:23,548
And she knowingly or unknowingly...
555
00:34:23,549 --> 00:34:27,404
Lets the dead on the property
into the main house.
556
00:34:27,405 --> 00:34:28,923
They just kind of follow her.
557
00:34:28,924 --> 00:34:32,596
And this includes the Grim Reaper guy.
558
00:34:32,597 --> 00:34:35,415
Remember the dark mist with your daughter?
559
00:34:35,416 --> 00:34:37,275
Tell Amy about that.
560
00:34:37,276 --> 00:34:41,443
She drew a figure that
she saw in the basement.
561
00:34:41,444 --> 00:34:46,514
It was a full figure like a human,
but with red eyes and all black.
562
00:34:46,515 --> 00:34:48,883
And she drew a picture of that.
I said, "oh, what's this?"
563
00:34:48,884 --> 00:34:52,912
She said, "oh, mom, that's
the man in the basement".
564
00:34:52,913 --> 00:34:57,328
Okay, I did do a sketch of what I saw.
565
00:34:57,329 --> 00:35:03,229
As far as this individual leading
several dead people into the house.
566
00:35:10,049 --> 00:35:11,849
Oh.
567
00:35:15,594 --> 00:35:17,994
Is that me?
568
00:35:21,328 --> 00:35:23,548
[Sniffles]
569
00:35:24,450 --> 00:35:27,510
[Indistinct whispering]
570
00:35:37,373 --> 00:35:40,833
I did do a sketch of what I saw.
571
00:35:40,834 --> 00:35:46,547
As far as this individual leading
several dead people into the house.
572
00:35:46,548 --> 00:35:48,468
Okay.
573
00:35:56,041 --> 00:35:57,841
Oh.
574
00:36:07,224 --> 00:36:09,624
Is that me?
575
00:36:12,641 --> 00:36:14,861
[Sniffles]
576
00:36:19,352 --> 00:36:22,859
When was the first time
you had an experience?
577
00:36:22,860 --> 00:36:25,440
When I was 2.
578
00:36:26,860 --> 00:36:31,120
What kind of experiences have you had?
579
00:36:32,666 --> 00:36:35,546
[Whispering] A lot.
580
00:36:35,828 --> 00:36:38,681
I noticed doing hair that I
can't even touch some people,
581
00:36:38,682 --> 00:36:44,582
or I feel, like, their pain, and
I start crying for no reason.
582
00:36:51,762 --> 00:36:56,682
Is there a reason why
you're running from it?
583
00:37:00,307 --> 00:37:04,267
It's something that if you run...
584
00:37:04,277 --> 00:37:07,380
Or try to run from it...
585
00:37:07,381 --> 00:37:12,106
They're gonna follow you. And it's
hereditary, it runs in families.
586
00:37:12,107 --> 00:37:15,467
I see it in my daughter.
587
00:37:19,245 --> 00:37:22,742
Prior owners never felt this or anything.
588
00:37:22,743 --> 00:37:27,717
Nobody ever... is it because possibly
she's a sensitive that this is happening?
589
00:37:27,718 --> 00:37:32,420
If they see somebody who can talk
to them who's ignoring them...
590
00:37:32,421 --> 00:37:35,781
They get a little feisty.
591
00:37:41,479 --> 00:37:44,641
The last thing that I got is...
592
00:37:44,642 --> 00:37:47,162
Really crappy.
593
00:37:47,901 --> 00:37:51,775
This land draws negativity to it.
594
00:37:51,776 --> 00:37:54,700
And a lot of bad things have happened here.
595
00:37:54,701 --> 00:37:57,159
When people are here, they struggle.
596
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,707
They go broke.
597
00:37:58,708 --> 00:38:01,625
They... there's fires. There's robberies.
598
00:38:01,626 --> 00:38:06,950
You know, like, it's never okay in...
in this, going way back, area.
599
00:38:06,951 --> 00:38:10,337
Hmm, it's interesting you say
that, though, because...
600
00:38:10,338 --> 00:38:14,476
What we're sitting on was
part of a 160-acre farm.
601
00:38:14,477 --> 00:38:20,377
And it got turned over 30 times
in 80 years, which is unheard of.
602
00:38:21,010 --> 00:38:23,753
There's surrounding farms...
603
00:38:23,754 --> 00:38:27,651
No problems. They didn't...
families for generations.
604
00:38:27,652 --> 00:38:31,192
It makes total sense to me.
605
00:38:33,864 --> 00:38:36,662
Well, you've seen the results
of the investigation,
606
00:38:36,663 --> 00:38:38,652
learned about the dark
history of this property.
607
00:38:38,653 --> 00:38:42,339
You've seen and heard who
Amy's encountered here.
608
00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:44,809
But the most important question
is, is it gonna be safe,
609
00:38:44,810 --> 00:38:47,159
for you guys, your employees, customers...
610
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,527
Most importantly your family?
611
00:38:49,528 --> 00:38:54,028
For that I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
612
00:38:56,359 --> 00:39:00,514
There's a few things that are
going to have to be done.
613
00:39:00,515 --> 00:39:03,827
The first thing is dealing with the land.
614
00:39:03,828 --> 00:39:09,288
The house is actually in a
good position on the land.
615
00:39:10,121 --> 00:39:15,651
But once you get to the back deck, it
begins to get progressively worse.
616
00:39:15,652 --> 00:39:20,041
But it gets really dark when
you hit the old garage.
617
00:39:20,042 --> 00:39:25,622
That's where a line literally
needs to be drawn weekly.
618
00:39:25,656 --> 00:39:29,188
And all you have to do is
draw a line with salt.
619
00:39:29,189 --> 00:39:33,889
And that'll help with the whole
contamination factor of the land here.
620
00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:39,790
The other thing that needs to be done is
to take care of the girl in the attic.
621
00:39:40,062 --> 00:39:44,180
This is something that you
innately have the ability to do.
622
00:39:44,181 --> 00:39:45,948
Get some Sage and some salt.
623
00:39:45,949 --> 00:39:49,092
Go ahead and Sage the building
inside and out, including the attic.
624
00:39:49,093 --> 00:39:51,254
Then taking the salt...
625
00:39:51,255 --> 00:39:56,175
And drawing a line all
along the walls inside.
626
00:39:56,299 --> 00:39:58,493
Tossing it around the attic,
627
00:39:58,494 --> 00:40:03,938
and taking the salt all around the
outside of the building as well.
628
00:40:03,939 --> 00:40:06,494
What about the Grim Reaper
and the greaser guy?
629
00:40:06,495 --> 00:40:11,893
So the greaser guy and the Grim
Reaper are actually the same person.
630
00:40:11,894 --> 00:40:16,634
And at some point after
death, he fractured.
631
00:40:18,118 --> 00:40:21,719
Occasionally, I'll meet a dead person...
632
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:25,020
That forms an attachment.
633
00:40:26,135 --> 00:40:27,849
So... [sighs]
634
00:40:27,850 --> 00:40:31,163
I'm going to go ahead and
take him home with me.
635
00:40:31,164 --> 00:40:33,470
- What the hell are you talking about?
- He's attached to me anyway,
636
00:40:33,471 --> 00:40:34,953
so I'll just take him home...
637
00:40:34,954 --> 00:40:39,348
Until I reunite the
shattered aspect of him.
638
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:43,054
And then I'm able to help move him on.
639
00:40:43,055 --> 00:40:47,863
The other thing I want to talk to you about
is the fact that you are a sensitive,
640
00:40:47,864 --> 00:40:49,865
and your daughter is a sensitive.
641
00:40:49,866 --> 00:40:53,761
And there's things that you need to do now
642
00:40:53,762 --> 00:40:57,749
to make it a comfortable
environment for her.
643
00:40:57,750 --> 00:41:00,994
For you, what this is...
this is gaining knowledge,
644
00:41:00,995 --> 00:41:03,868
learning how to control your environment.
645
00:41:03,869 --> 00:41:06,488
And your daughter's environment,
and teaching her those skills,
646
00:41:06,489 --> 00:41:10,032
so she can protect herself as well.
647
00:41:10,033 --> 00:41:13,047
Let me ask you a question. What about him?
How does he help her?
648
00:41:13,048 --> 00:41:18,134
The main thing is for right
now is just being supportive.
649
00:41:18,135 --> 00:41:20,087
It's really tough to think,
650
00:41:20,088 --> 00:41:23,091
that they were experiencing more
than I was this entire time,
651
00:41:23,092 --> 00:41:24,607
both my wife and my daughter.
652
00:41:24,608 --> 00:41:26,745
You know, you're trying to protect 'em.
653
00:41:26,746 --> 00:41:28,310
Now are you gonna be all right
doing this with your daughter,
654
00:41:28,311 --> 00:41:29,595
you gonna be comfortable with it?
655
00:41:29,596 --> 00:41:31,368
- Oh, yes.
- Yeah.
656
00:41:31,369 --> 00:41:32,975
And you guys are gonna do this stuff?
657
00:41:32,976 --> 00:41:35,189
- Yes, yes, yes, yes.
- Oh, yeah. Yeah.
658
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:37,987
The good news is you don't have to leave.
659
00:41:37,988 --> 00:41:40,628
Very good news.
660
00:41:41,398 --> 00:41:43,678
Thank you.
661
00:41:43,681 --> 00:41:49,581
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