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There's something lurking in the dark here.
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Not too comfortable with
this house at night.
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He loves the death.
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It's really disturbing.
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It makes me physically sick.
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Previous owner killed
himself in that bathtub?
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He sliced his throat, right at the jugular.
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People are freaking the [Bleep] out.
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I really don't want to be in the dark here.
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- Are you okay?
- No.
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It's the house of death.
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They're being watched.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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This thing likes death.
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I see dead people.
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This thing is, like, a monster.
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I speak to dead people...
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And he's pissed off now.
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And they speak to me.
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His head was cracked.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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This guy was murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide Detective.
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I cannot help you unless
I know the whole story.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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You saw her? It's my job to reveal them.
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Why would you stay here?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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Stop it.
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We uncover if it's safe for you to stay...
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I want to know the truth.
I want to know what's happening.
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Or time to get out.
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(Voice breaking) I told you there
were ghosts in this house.
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(Indistinct whispering)
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(Steve) Amy and I never cross
paths during our investigations.
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I gather witnesses
accounts, expert opinions,
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and research the history of the location.
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While Amy investigates what
most people can't see.
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When we're done, we meet up
and reveal our findings.
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I'm in the small town of
Clinton, North Carolina.
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It's about 45 minutes
outside of Fayetteville.
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I got a call from a woman named Kara
who runs the art center in town.
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She said that people that work for her
are seeing all kinds of weird stuff.
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And Kara's worried that
whatever's going on there,
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might shut down the center
that she loves so much.
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(Matt) Amy needs to be free from
outside influences during her walk.
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So it's important that I cover all the
artwork and personal items at the location.
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Once I'm done, the building will
be ready for tonight's walk.
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There's, like, a lot of sadness.
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There's a woman...
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And she has long, dark hair.
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She's very, very pale, and thin.
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And she's talking.
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The first thing she said when she
came up was "house of death".
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Well, Kara, you sounded really concerned
on the phone, so tell me what's going on.
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We've been having some experiences here
with, um, volunteers hearing noises,
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seeing things moving, feeling
something touch them.
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And seeing apparitions.
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Let me ask you, what's
your biggest concern?
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We have a lot of kids who come to take
art classes, and come to our events.
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But their parents are afraid
to bring them up here,
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because of the things that are going on.
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We might close down because of that.
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Okay. Do you know who lived here before
the house became the art center?
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Well, Dr. Small was a general
practitioner here in Clinton.
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He lived in the house here.
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He left the house, in his
will, to, um, the County.
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And it was deeded to the arts council,
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in hopes that it would be
used for arts purposes.
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And we're just here to
fulfill that dream for him.
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Okay. Now what about the building
itself, what do you know about it?
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About five years ago, extensive
renovations were done to the house.
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It was in pretty bad shape.
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I was getting the sense that Kara was more
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afraid of the space than
she was letting on.
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So I asked her the one question
that always gives people away.
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Would you stay overnight here alone?
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Probably not.
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Not too comfortable with this
house at night when it's dark.
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So this is wrong.
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So this was all...
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Like, open.
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This is just a disaster.
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What they're saying is, "oh, my
God, look at what they did".
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(Amy) The dead here are very angry.
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Something about this structure has been
changed, and they are furious about it.
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[Bleep] There's something really bad here.
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There's, like, something,
like, literally that...
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Like, I come up, and it runs...
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And I just feel like my heart's like...
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Like, that fear. It takes my breath away.
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There's something lurking in the dark here.
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So, Kara, why did you
bring me in this room?
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To show you the photos of Dr.
Small and his wife Suzanne.
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The legend is, from a previous
Director that we had here,
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if you were to switch the photos
and hang them facing each other,
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Dr. Small comes and gently
places it on the floor.
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And this has been witnessed
by other people?
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- Yes.
- Has it happened more than once?
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It has.
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Okay, now why would he want 'em
facing the other way, though?
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Dr. Small and his wife didn't
get along, and he said...
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"I don't want those
photos facing each other,
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because I don't want to look at
Suzanne for the rest of eternity".
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Sounds like you've got a lot of activity
here, from what you're telling me.
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We've had a couple of other groups
to come in and investigate.
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- What do you mean, like Ghost Hunters?
- Yeah.
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They've tried to talk with the dead, but we
haven't really had much result from them.
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Okay.
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There's a round table.
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People are sitting around.
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So what were they doing?
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A [Bleep] S?ance.
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They're holding hands, they've
got the lace on the table...
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"Is anybody here, can we talk to anybody?
Why are you doing these things?"
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So how would a s?ance affect the dead here?
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The dead begin to resent the living.
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How would you like it if people kept
coming in your home and [Bleep] with you?
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Kara tells me it's her
volunteers that have been
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experiencing most of the
strange activity here.
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So I'm meeting with a former teacher to
see if she's encountered anything weird.
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I was told that your history
in this place goes way back,
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and you've had some experiences?
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When I was maybe 5 or 6, um,
I was here for a party.
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And a figure came from
that door over there.
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And walked through the railing
and down the stairway.
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- You mean like an apparition?
- Yes.
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It was a man, maybe 40s or 50s.
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Did you ever tell anybody about it?
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I didn't talk about it until my
sister and I were riding by.
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And she had the same experience that day.
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It was at least ten years later
before we talked about it.
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- In fact, she won't come back here.
- She won't?
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- No.
- Okay.
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There's, like, this guy
who's really depressed.
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And he wears a dark suit.
He's kind of tall.
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I think that he's been seen, and
I think that he's been heard.
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He...
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Plays the piano.
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But he plays it, like, messed up.
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- You all right?
- No.
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I see, like, a bunch of coffins.
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Like, just literally,
boom, boom, boom, boom.
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And this man is, like, preaching,
and it's, like, really disturbing.
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Like he's getting off on death.
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People are, like, freaking the [Bleep] out.
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As soon as I walked in, I wanted to just
throw up, because it was so, like, sick.
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Meredith, tell me about when you
were a teacher here. What happened?
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When I would have class,
I always played music.
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So I had an MP3 player in the room,
and it would constantly change songs.
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Or change the volume up and down
without anybody touching it.
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Did you stop working here because of that?
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Yes. I didn't feel
comfortable here after that.
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Later on, the position for
Director came open here.
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- Okay.
- It was a position I thought would be
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really good for me, but I knew I couldn't
work here, so I never applied for it.
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There's no way I'd be here by myself.
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Can this man interact with the living?
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Yes.
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He's, like, always pacing around at night.
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He wants them to hear his music.
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He makes them feel depressed.
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They almost see him standing in front of
them, but they feel it down to their bones.
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It's just absolute terror.
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Dark.
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Darkness.
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Can this man interact with the living?
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Yes.
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How?
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He definitely tries to preach to them.
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God.
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He loves, loves, loves the death,
because he's [Bleep] weird.
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Creepy-ass guy, I don't know.
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(Steve) Kara told me that the
house had been renovated.
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So I reached out to the
contractor who did the work here,
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to see if he ever experienced
anything while in the house.
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So, John, Kara told me that
you were the contractor
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that rebuilt the whole house, basically.
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That's correct.
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Okay, so during the time
that you were working here,
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did you ever experience anything
that you couldn't explain?
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Oh, yes.
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Sometimes you can feel a
presence, like being touched.
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It was sort of eerie feeling, a
sensation like a spider web.
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Like being touched by a feather, and
that would happen several times a week.
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How does it feel being back?
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It's, uh, as if there's
a presence still here.
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And I can sense that presence today.
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- You can?
- By being here, yes.
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Okay.
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There's people getting hurt here still.
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- Living people, you mean?
- Yeah.
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So what's happening to them?
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They're being attacked.
They don't know why.
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There's a lot of weird touching and
stuff by this guy in the dark.
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There's, you know, I mean, there...
it's crazy.
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- What's wrong?
- It feels like I've been punished.
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And I can't breathe.
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An angry entity in this
house wants me gone,
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and he has a disturbing way of
getting his message across.
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You don't feel the punch, you feel
the physical effects of that.
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Like your diaphragm spasming.
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And you can't breathe, and you
feel like you're gonna throw up.
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Okay, John, so why are we
in this part of the house?
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I was gonna show you the, uh, bathtub.
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We had to move the existing
cast-iron tub out.
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We did so using four men, moved the tub,
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across this foyer into that bedroom.
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Okay.
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The eerie thing about it,
this door here remained open.
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The next morning when we
returned, this door was closed.
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The tub was slid up against the door.
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You're kidding.
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- Was anybody in the house?
- No one in the house.
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We locked it up every night.
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Now you said it's cast-iron, this tub?
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Yes, it's cast-iron.
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Wow.
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Oh, yeah, I mean, I consider myself strong.
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I don't think I can move that by myself.
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Not one bit, no, Sir.
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Let's see now.
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Oh, my God. This is, like, so
[Bleep] I can't even tell you.
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This person's upset about...
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This...
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About what?
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Everything is not...
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The way he made it.
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- You talking about the owner guy?
- Yeah.
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And you know what's weird, is,
like, there's dead bodies, like,
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all over the place.
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What do you mean? Can you describe 'em?
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They're just dead people,
laying around in random places.
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Mm, what happened to them?
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I'm getting some really,
really weird [Bleep].
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So, Ashley, I understand you're
a volunteer teacher here,
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and I was wondering if you ever
had any strange experiences here.
243
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Um, yes. The bathroom right up
here, I won't go in at all.
244
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- Why?
- It makes me physically sick.
245
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- Are you afraid of it?
- Whenever I go in there, I get chills.
246
00:16:03,753 --> 00:16:07,209
It... the way I feel makes me scared,
so I definitely would not go in there.
247
00:16:07,210 --> 00:16:08,905
You know what? Come with me.
248
00:16:08,906 --> 00:16:11,957
I know you're scared, but
just come with me for a sec.
249
00:16:11,958 --> 00:16:14,386
Okay. How are you feeling?
250
00:16:14,387 --> 00:16:18,576
Just seeing it this close is
getting me a little upset.
251
00:16:18,577 --> 00:16:20,467
- Boy, you're really shaking.
- Mm-hmm.
252
00:16:20,468 --> 00:16:24,147
- You all right?
- Just uneasy being near this bathroom.
253
00:16:24,148 --> 00:16:26,650
All right, come on, let's go back out here.
254
00:16:26,651 --> 00:16:30,340
Can you describe what you
physically just went through.
255
00:16:30,341 --> 00:16:35,412
Shaky, trembly, uh, it's a feeling
that I don't want to feel ever.
256
00:16:35,413 --> 00:16:38,361
Would you stay overnight in any
other part of the house here?
257
00:16:38,362 --> 00:16:40,942
Absolutely not.
258
00:16:45,888 --> 00:16:49,968
The darkness is just very bad here.
259
00:16:50,264 --> 00:16:55,064
Because all the bad
things happened at night.
260
00:17:00,373 --> 00:17:02,803
I do not like the dark here.
261
00:17:02,804 --> 00:17:05,684
I'm afraid of it.
262
00:17:05,734 --> 00:17:10,868
There's this male lurking in
the dark who can hurt you.
263
00:17:10,869 --> 00:17:14,829
He kind of fills up the darkness.
264
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:27,324
I do not like the dark here.
265
00:17:27,325 --> 00:17:30,205
I'm afraid of it.
266
00:17:31,059 --> 00:17:36,699
There's this male lurking in
the dark who can hurt you.
267
00:17:37,739 --> 00:17:42,959
He kind of fills up the
darkness, like, completely.
268
00:17:43,567 --> 00:17:48,727
He lives in the dark, and
he [Bleep] with people.
269
00:17:50,198 --> 00:17:54,236
(Steve) The obvious place for me to start
my investigation is with Dr. Small.
270
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He's the guy who lived in the
house I'm investigating,
271
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before he donated it to the County.
272
00:17:59,487 --> 00:18:02,489
I was able to track down the
lawyer who drew up his will.
273
00:18:02,490 --> 00:18:07,530
Hopefully, he'll give me
some useful information.
274
00:18:13,468 --> 00:18:16,751
Well Gene, thanks for taking the time
to meet me in your busy schedule.
275
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- Appreciate that.
- Happy to do so.
276
00:18:19,132 --> 00:18:22,183
Dr. Small, what can you tell me about him?
277
00:18:22,184 --> 00:18:25,087
Well, Dr. Small, uh...
278
00:18:25,088 --> 00:18:29,406
Certainly was a unique
personality, to say the least.
279
00:18:29,407 --> 00:18:32,458
I think he was eccentric, in some respects.
280
00:18:32,459 --> 00:18:34,543
I have a picture of him here.
281
00:18:34,544 --> 00:18:38,324
I'd say he was late 40s, early 50s.
282
00:18:38,325 --> 00:18:42,631
He had a strong affinity for the arts...
283
00:18:42,632 --> 00:18:45,272
Culture, poetry.
284
00:18:45,444 --> 00:18:47,322
So, Gene, you actually wrote his will?
285
00:18:47,323 --> 00:18:50,094
Uh, yes, I did. I have a copy of it here.
286
00:18:50,095 --> 00:18:55,084
And as you can see, Steve,
it's 18 pages long.
287
00:18:55,085 --> 00:18:58,614
Gene, can you save me some reading?
Is anything unusual in this will?
288
00:18:58,615 --> 00:19:01,858
Well, he didn't provide for his wife.
289
00:19:01,859 --> 00:19:04,852
What he told me, uh...
290
00:19:04,853 --> 00:19:08,224
Their relationship was not very close.
291
00:19:08,225 --> 00:19:12,364
Uh, I do recall that I think
they slept in separate bedrooms.
292
00:19:12,365 --> 00:19:15,227
As I understand, she had
her own banking account.
293
00:19:15,228 --> 00:19:17,390
They had separate bank accounts.
294
00:19:17,391 --> 00:19:20,374
And when he would talk, it was always
295
00:19:20,375 --> 00:19:25,415
in first person single,
he would never say "we".
296
00:19:29,812 --> 00:19:33,115
It's like, I want to say,
like, there's a Doctor.
297
00:19:33,116 --> 00:19:37,316
Like, he knows a lot about the body.
298
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:42,410
And, like, pressure points, so he'll,
like, do that, and you don't
299
00:19:42,411 --> 00:19:47,663
feel the hand, but you feel the
pressure, and then you'll feel, like...
300
00:19:47,664 --> 00:19:52,301
Like you want to pass out or whatever,
because he's pushing these points.
301
00:19:52,302 --> 00:19:55,072
Throughout this walk, I keep
being harassed by an entity,
302
00:19:55,073 --> 00:19:57,540
who I think was a Doctor when he was alive.
303
00:19:57,541 --> 00:20:01,810
He keeps sneaking up on me and
disappearing back into the darkness.
304
00:20:01,811 --> 00:20:05,744
He... he knows where to touch, like,
the spots to make headaches come on,
305
00:20:05,745 --> 00:20:10,250
to make people feel like they can't
breathe, to make them feel...
306
00:20:10,251 --> 00:20:15,793
You know, he knows all of these spots.
To me, it seemed trained.
307
00:20:15,794 --> 00:20:19,214
I don't like him at all.
308
00:20:23,285 --> 00:20:24,900
How did he die?
309
00:20:24,901 --> 00:20:28,575
He was found, um, the
back of the small house.
310
00:20:28,576 --> 00:20:33,235
Uh, one cold February morning
after a real cold night.
311
00:20:33,236 --> 00:20:35,740
It was icy or snowing, I don't recall.
312
00:20:35,741 --> 00:20:39,544
Said he had his right
forearm across his chest.
313
00:20:39,545 --> 00:20:41,883
Like he was almost in a casket.
314
00:20:41,884 --> 00:20:45,950
So what you're saying is they found
him face-up, dead in the snow.
315
00:20:45,951 --> 00:20:48,335
(Steve) I know it hardly ever
gets cold enough to snow here.
316
00:20:48,336 --> 00:20:50,526
Face-up, laying on his back.
317
00:20:50,527 --> 00:20:52,734
Now do we know the cause of death?
Did they do an autopsy?
318
00:20:52,735 --> 00:20:56,870
I have the, uh, death certificate here,
and it says "myocardial infarction".
319
00:20:56,871 --> 00:21:00,951
- That's a...
- Heart attack, okay.
320
00:21:04,907 --> 00:21:08,747
I'm seeing, like, a heavy coat.
321
00:21:09,238 --> 00:21:13,078
[Bleep] It's cold in here, man.
322
00:21:13,583 --> 00:21:16,840
See, I'm getting a lot of cold,
which doesn't make any sense.
323
00:21:16,841 --> 00:21:21,291
Like the snow, I saw snow,
which doesn't make any sense.
324
00:21:21,292 --> 00:21:23,303
Why does the snow not make sense?
325
00:21:23,304 --> 00:21:29,204
Because we're in North Carolina,
and I don't think it snows here.
326
00:21:29,792 --> 00:21:33,535
Gene, I'm gonna ask you a question
that's gonna sound a little odd but...
327
00:21:33,536 --> 00:21:36,260
Your dealings with him, did he ever
mention anything about his house
328
00:21:36,261 --> 00:21:38,656
maybe being haunted or anything like that?
329
00:21:38,657 --> 00:21:40,719
Yes, I think he did.
330
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,554
I do remember him saying something to the
effect that things had been moved...
331
00:21:45,555 --> 00:21:50,172
From one place to another in there,
certainly implying that it was haunted.
332
00:21:50,173 --> 00:21:54,691
And he also mentioned that a
previous owner of that house,
333
00:21:54,692 --> 00:21:58,013
uh, slit his throat in that bathtub.
334
00:21:58,014 --> 00:21:59,962
The previous owner killed
himself in that bathtub?
335
00:21:59,963 --> 00:22:03,263
That's what he told me.
336
00:22:06,369 --> 00:22:08,900
Gene mentioned that a
previous homeowner committed
337
00:22:08,901 --> 00:22:11,578
suicide in the house I'm investigating.
338
00:22:11,579 --> 00:22:15,045
But he didn't have any details for me.
339
00:22:15,046 --> 00:22:20,946
So I asked a local reporter to dig
into his newspaper's archives for me.
340
00:22:26,322 --> 00:22:28,390
Well, Jeff, thanks for
taking the time to meet me.
341
00:22:28,391 --> 00:22:29,725
- I appreciate that.
- Happy to.
342
00:22:29,726 --> 00:22:32,795
What can you tell me about the
previous owner of Dr. Small's place?
343
00:22:32,796 --> 00:22:37,789
Dr. Leeman Matthews was our Superintendent
of Public Schools here in Samson County.
344
00:22:37,790 --> 00:22:40,850
From 1907 until 1918.
345
00:22:41,267 --> 00:22:42,671
What about the suicide?
346
00:22:42,672 --> 00:22:46,512
It was, uh, probably very messy.
347
00:22:46,595 --> 00:22:49,197
According to the death certificate...
348
00:22:49,198 --> 00:22:52,970
He had locked himself in
the bathroom upstairs.
349
00:22:52,971 --> 00:22:58,187
In the bathtub, and sliced his
throat, right at the jugular.
350
00:22:58,188 --> 00:23:00,853
- Okay.
- The doors were locked.
351
00:23:00,854 --> 00:23:04,132
- He was apparently home alone at the time.
- Okay.
352
00:23:04,133 --> 00:23:08,229
And we're not sure who found the
body, probably a family member.
353
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:10,098
Did he have a wife and kids? What happened?
354
00:23:10,099 --> 00:23:15,252
Had a wife and five children who
were living there, and 47 years old.
355
00:23:15,253 --> 00:23:17,398
Jeff, did he have a history of depression?
356
00:23:17,399 --> 00:23:19,890
Not that we've been able
to find any evidence of.
357
00:23:19,891 --> 00:23:23,240
But there were some friends and family
members had noticed some changes in
358
00:23:23,241 --> 00:23:29,141
the weeks prior to this, it just
seemed to all come across very sudden.
359
00:23:36,009 --> 00:23:40,269
There's a lot of screaming, screaming.
360
00:23:40,530 --> 00:23:42,060
The house of death.
361
00:23:42,061 --> 00:23:45,133
That keeps replaying... the house of death.
362
00:23:45,134 --> 00:23:47,135
[Bleep]
363
00:23:47,136 --> 00:23:50,371
(Amy) Something about this structure
is attracting death and negativity.
364
00:23:50,372 --> 00:23:55,377
I'm not quite sure what it
is, but it's very powerful.
365
00:23:55,378 --> 00:23:58,831
I really don't want to be in the dark here.
366
00:23:58,832 --> 00:24:04,232
Like, bad, bad, bad [Bleep]
happens in the dark here.
367
00:24:15,902 --> 00:24:19,058
(Steve) With two previous owners
dying under bizarre circumstances,
368
00:24:19,059 --> 00:24:22,089
the art center has tragedy
written all over it.
369
00:24:22,090 --> 00:24:26,886
But I need to find out who owned the
property prior to Leeman Matthews.
370
00:24:26,887 --> 00:24:31,519
Turns out, a man named Abraham
Hobbs originally owned the place.
371
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,332
But the records about his life
don't have many specifics.
372
00:24:34,333 --> 00:24:40,233
So I tracked down a local historian
to see what he could tell me.
373
00:24:43,496 --> 00:24:46,720
During my research, I came across
a guy by the name of Hobbs.
374
00:24:46,721 --> 00:24:48,989
It looks like he was one of the
original owners of this home.
375
00:24:48,990 --> 00:24:51,141
What can you tell me about Hobbs?
376
00:24:51,142 --> 00:24:56,615
Abraham Hobbs was born into a well-to-do
family in northern Samson County.
377
00:24:56,616 --> 00:25:01,118
Abraham joined the
Confederate Army in 1862.
378
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,196
Soon thereafter, he was wounded
at the Battle of Antietam.
379
00:25:05,197 --> 00:25:09,249
He left the service in the fall of 1864.
380
00:25:09,250 --> 00:25:11,931
What did he do for a living,
though, once he was here?
381
00:25:11,932 --> 00:25:15,488
Just after the end of the war, he
went on to become a gentleman farmer.
382
00:25:15,489 --> 00:25:16,931
What is a gentleman farmer?
383
00:25:16,932 --> 00:25:20,696
Uh, someone that really had someone
else to do the work for him.
384
00:25:20,697 --> 00:25:23,144
The slaves had been emancipated.
385
00:25:23,145 --> 00:25:28,610
But there were a lot of former slaves
and no means to support themselves.
386
00:25:28,611 --> 00:25:34,071
So they would typically work for low wages,
or remain with the families they had known.
387
00:25:34,072 --> 00:25:37,792
And continue to work for them.
388
00:25:42,013 --> 00:25:46,640
This depressed man, he owned
this place, for sure.
389
00:25:46,641 --> 00:25:49,088
- This was his place.
- Any idea when?
390
00:25:49,089 --> 00:25:51,540
[Bleep] Long time ago, I don't know.
391
00:25:51,541 --> 00:25:54,780
He was bitching about the war,
but I don't know what war.
392
00:25:54,781 --> 00:25:57,883
Like, everything that came out
of his mouth was meaningless.
393
00:25:57,884 --> 00:26:03,784
The only time he felt anything was when he
was doing really evil [Bleep] to people.
394
00:26:03,834 --> 00:26:08,934
Um, in his family, and
these bodies that he got.
395
00:26:14,991 --> 00:26:17,969
What about family?
Did he have wife, kids, what's the story?
396
00:26:17,970 --> 00:26:20,334
Abraham and his wife had six children.
397
00:26:20,335 --> 00:26:25,590
And also within the house,
his stepmother and her son.
398
00:26:25,591 --> 00:26:27,418
Which was Abraham's half brother.
399
00:26:27,419 --> 00:26:31,467
The half brother was named Gaston,
and he was the school music teacher.
400
00:26:31,468 --> 00:26:35,497
But the focus of the house would
likely have been on the children,
401
00:26:35,498 --> 00:26:39,090
the gospel, faith, and their education.
402
00:26:39,091 --> 00:26:41,526
- So he was a religious man?
- That's right.
403
00:26:41,527 --> 00:26:43,470
Who died on the property,
do you have any idea?
404
00:26:43,471 --> 00:26:47,136
We know that one of his
daughters died in the 1880s.
405
00:26:47,137 --> 00:26:50,797
His wife Lizzie died in 1897.
406
00:26:51,168 --> 00:26:56,688
And his half brother Gaston
died in the house as well.
407
00:27:00,794 --> 00:27:03,974
I saw a man preaching.
408
00:27:05,855 --> 00:27:08,876
And he's, like, yelling.
409
00:27:08,877 --> 00:27:12,858
(Amy) This depressed man has gone
insane, and he's ranting to his wife.
410
00:27:12,859 --> 00:27:18,759
She's scared and wants me to see all of the
horrifying things that took place here.
411
00:27:20,366 --> 00:27:25,826
She says that he had a room
that was dark and small.
412
00:27:25,866 --> 00:27:30,423
And that he would do things
to human bodies there.
413
00:27:30,424 --> 00:27:33,937
And it's almost like kind of research-y...
414
00:27:33,938 --> 00:27:37,813
But also he's kind of likes
it a little too much.
415
00:27:37,814 --> 00:27:43,334
I think he was interested in,
like, what morticians do.
416
00:27:43,524 --> 00:27:46,258
She's showing me, like, dead bodies.
417
00:27:46,259 --> 00:27:50,075
But it's weird, because they're in bed.
418
00:27:50,076 --> 00:27:51,682
How many are in it?
419
00:27:51,683 --> 00:27:53,543
Two.
420
00:27:53,544 --> 00:27:56,697
I think this guy was
really fixated on death.
421
00:27:56,698 --> 00:28:00,418
(Whispering) I don't like him.
422
00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:11,260
During my walk, I sensed the
presence of several dead men.
423
00:28:11,261 --> 00:28:15,762
What was confusing to me is, I was
only able to see one of them clearly.
424
00:28:15,763 --> 00:28:17,983
He was...
425
00:28:17,989 --> 00:28:19,909
Thin.
426
00:28:21,961 --> 00:28:25,861
He had a long face, sunken eyes.
427
00:28:27,112 --> 00:28:29,728
He has a pretty large nose.
428
00:28:29,729 --> 00:28:30,883
Brown hair.
429
00:28:30,884 --> 00:28:34,105
Full, but very well groomed.
430
00:28:34,106 --> 00:28:37,286
Something about glasses.
431
00:28:40,446 --> 00:28:43,806
Is this the man you saw?
432
00:28:44,530 --> 00:28:46,390
Yes.
433
00:29:07,563 --> 00:29:10,546
(Steve) Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
434
00:29:10,547 --> 00:29:14,351
we're free to reveal our findings
to our clients and to each other.
435
00:29:14,352 --> 00:29:15,634
This is Kara.
436
00:29:15,635 --> 00:29:20,429
She is the Executive Director of
the Samson County arts council.
437
00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:24,400
Kara's worried about possibly having
to shut the place down because of,
438
00:29:24,401 --> 00:29:27,095
nobody signing up for any programs.
439
00:29:27,096 --> 00:29:30,381
Meredith used to volunteer here.
She doesn't do it any longer.
440
00:29:30,382 --> 00:29:32,552
You've been tormented by this
place since you were a kid.
441
00:29:32,553 --> 00:29:34,235
Yeah.
442
00:29:34,236 --> 00:29:35,886
Ashley does volunteer here.
443
00:29:35,887 --> 00:29:37,770
She doesn't even want to
be in this house alone.
444
00:29:37,771 --> 00:29:42,216
Matter of fact, there is a part of the
house that she is absolutely terrified by.
445
00:29:42,217 --> 00:29:48,117
So, Amy, why don't we start out
by you talking about your walk?
446
00:29:50,591 --> 00:29:53,793
When I first walked into the house,
447
00:29:53,794 --> 00:29:57,630
the dead were very upset with what has
happened to this house physically.
448
00:29:57,631 --> 00:30:01,822
The walls being changed, the
stairwell being changed.
449
00:30:01,823 --> 00:30:06,375
This is very upsetting to them,
and one entity in particular...
450
00:30:06,376 --> 00:30:09,161
Uh, is very, very ticked.
451
00:30:09,162 --> 00:30:11,757
That could make sense, because
the house has been through
452
00:30:11,758 --> 00:30:14,781
three major renovations within
the last 100 years or so.
453
00:30:14,782 --> 00:30:17,440
- The latest renovation was in 2008.
- Right.
454
00:30:17,441 --> 00:30:20,295
I actually spoke to the
contractor who did the work here.
455
00:30:20,296 --> 00:30:22,828
He heard voices, footsteps.
456
00:30:22,829 --> 00:30:26,855
The other strange thing is, four of
his men had to move this bathtub.
457
00:30:26,856 --> 00:30:29,542
When they came back the next day,
now there was no break-in,
458
00:30:29,543 --> 00:30:31,913
nothing was taken...
459
00:30:31,914 --> 00:30:35,010
It was moved like 4 feet.
460
00:30:35,011 --> 00:30:36,660
And I saw this tub...
461
00:30:36,661 --> 00:30:40,021
It's a heavy, heavy tub.
462
00:30:41,141 --> 00:30:43,335
Okay, what else happened on your walk?
463
00:30:43,336 --> 00:30:47,716
I encountered this one entity who, um...
464
00:30:48,297 --> 00:30:51,578
Was able to make me feel
like I had been punched,
465
00:30:51,579 --> 00:30:55,096
but I wouldn't feel, like, the physical
punch, it would be, like, the aftermath...
466
00:30:55,097 --> 00:30:59,711
Breathless all of a sudden, very
uncomfortable, and a lot of pain.
467
00:30:59,712 --> 00:31:02,712
He also knows, like, pressure points.
468
00:31:02,713 --> 00:31:06,373
So I thought, he's a Doctor.
469
00:31:06,790 --> 00:31:10,250
I don't really think
it's safe here at night.
470
00:31:10,251 --> 00:31:12,514
Because of him.
471
00:31:12,515 --> 00:31:14,282
That's when he attacks.
472
00:31:14,283 --> 00:31:18,787
It's funny you mention Doctor, because one
of the previous owners was a Dr. Small.
473
00:31:18,788 --> 00:31:22,628
I actually have a photo of him.
474
00:31:22,692 --> 00:31:27,252
He moved here with his wife back in 1924.
475
00:31:28,516 --> 00:31:30,247
I talked to his attorney.
476
00:31:30,248 --> 00:31:34,015
And Small thought this place was haunted.
477
00:31:34,016 --> 00:31:36,004
He'd tell him there were
spirits in the house.
478
00:31:36,005 --> 00:31:38,006
He said things would get moved.
479
00:31:38,007 --> 00:31:39,867
Wow.
480
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:45,234
The only thing about him, I mean, he was
considered a nice guy, a gentle guy.
481
00:31:45,235 --> 00:31:47,718
But he hated his wife.
482
00:31:47,719 --> 00:31:48,907
Okay.
483
00:31:48,908 --> 00:31:51,625
Kara, maybe you can tell
her about the portraits.
484
00:31:51,626 --> 00:31:55,257
The portraits here are of Dr.
Small and his wife Suzanne.
485
00:31:55,258 --> 00:32:01,026
Dr. Small had asked that the pictures not
face each other, because he had said...
486
00:32:01,027 --> 00:32:04,306
"I don't want to look at Suzanne
for the rest of eternity".
487
00:32:04,307 --> 00:32:07,954
So we keep them opposite of each other.
488
00:32:07,955 --> 00:32:11,975
And if you change them, they move.
489
00:32:12,352 --> 00:32:14,367
Interesting.
490
00:32:14,368 --> 00:32:15,836
What else did you see?
491
00:32:15,837 --> 00:32:18,625
Then I saw, like, a weird kind of vision,
492
00:32:18,626 --> 00:32:22,867
where I was suddenly wearing
a really heavy coat.
493
00:32:22,868 --> 00:32:25,215
Um, because I... it was cold.
494
00:32:25,216 --> 00:32:29,455
And I saw snow, like, falling
in front of the windows.
495
00:32:29,456 --> 00:32:30,760
I don't think it snows here.
496
00:32:30,761 --> 00:32:32,740
You're right, it doesn't
really snow that often,
497
00:32:32,741 --> 00:32:35,407
- but it does snow here once in a while.
- Yes.
498
00:32:35,408 --> 00:32:39,978
As a matter of fact, he
died on February 3, 1971.
499
00:32:39,979 --> 00:32:42,742
I've got his death certificate here.
500
00:32:42,743 --> 00:32:45,821
And basically it says he
dies of a heart attack,
501
00:32:45,822 --> 00:32:49,370
but it's still, it's very
strange how he died.
502
00:32:49,371 --> 00:32:52,059
He was found right here in the backyard.
503
00:32:52,060 --> 00:32:55,110
There was a snowstorm that night, but
they never did an autopsy on him.
504
00:32:55,111 --> 00:32:57,931
And he was found in the snow facing up,
505
00:32:57,932 --> 00:33:01,580
almost posing with his
arm across his chest.
506
00:33:01,581 --> 00:33:04,821
He was basically frozen.
507
00:33:07,941 --> 00:33:09,336
Okay, what else?
508
00:33:09,337 --> 00:33:13,875
So I was upstairs, and I saw dead bodies.
509
00:33:13,876 --> 00:33:17,156
They were kind of in random places.
510
00:33:17,157 --> 00:33:19,158
It was just a very strange feeling.
511
00:33:19,159 --> 00:33:21,428
So you're talking the top of
the stairs by the bathroom.
512
00:33:21,429 --> 00:33:23,430
It was in front of the bathroom.
513
00:33:23,431 --> 00:33:25,798
This is a good time for
Ashley to tell you about
514
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:29,005
how she gets when she
goes near that bathroom.
515
00:33:29,006 --> 00:33:34,445
The first time I walked in the bathroom,
I took two steps in and got shaky...
516
00:33:34,446 --> 00:33:38,445
Stomach hurts, it feels like, you
know, a true feeling of dread...
517
00:33:38,446 --> 00:33:42,367
Or, you know, just something I can't
describe when I go near that bathroom.
518
00:33:42,368 --> 00:33:44,217
I'm getting shaky talking
about it right now.
519
00:33:44,218 --> 00:33:47,831
It's a feeling I've never
felt before, anywhere else.
520
00:33:47,832 --> 00:33:51,365
Well, there's a little bit of a
back story to that bathroom.
521
00:33:51,366 --> 00:33:53,541
There was a guy that used to
live here before Dr. Small,
522
00:33:53,542 --> 00:33:57,322
by the name of Leeman Matthews.
523
00:33:57,399 --> 00:34:00,450
Now he was a well-respected guy.
524
00:34:00,451 --> 00:34:05,557
He was a School Superintendent
here from 1907 to 1918.
525
00:34:05,558 --> 00:34:09,673
Never had issues, and then his
whole personality changed
526
00:34:09,674 --> 00:34:12,328
about two weeks before
he committed suicide.
527
00:34:12,329 --> 00:34:14,369
(Gasps)
528
00:34:15,615 --> 00:34:19,224
He took a straight razor
and cut his jugular open.
529
00:34:19,225 --> 00:34:21,572
And bled to death in the bathtub.
530
00:34:21,573 --> 00:34:26,198
This is the same bathtub that the
contractor said moved by itself.
531
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,182
How do you feel about that,
now that you know that?
532
00:34:29,183 --> 00:34:32,067
It's a little shocking.
533
00:34:32,068 --> 00:34:35,979
But I feel a little better to know that
it's not just me or something I've made up,
534
00:34:35,980 --> 00:34:37,760
but that's something
that happened in there,
535
00:34:37,761 --> 00:34:42,081
and there's a reason I feel that way.
536
00:34:43,630 --> 00:34:45,878
Okay, let's continue with
the rest of your walk.
537
00:34:45,879 --> 00:34:51,779
One of the people that I did come into
contact with was a very depressed man.
538
00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:58,150
He was very much into playing
piano, but he was not good at it.
539
00:34:58,383 --> 00:35:01,390
He was very, very sad about the war.
540
00:35:01,391 --> 00:35:04,758
And he was also preaching a lot.
541
00:35:04,759 --> 00:35:06,842
He would go into, like, rants.
542
00:35:06,843 --> 00:35:08,053
He's, like, yelling.
543
00:35:08,054 --> 00:35:11,080
But everything that came out
of his mouth was meaningless.
544
00:35:11,081 --> 00:35:14,867
He was doing really evil [Bleep] to people.
545
00:35:14,868 --> 00:35:18,757
As soon as I walked into this place,
I felt really violently ill,
546
00:35:18,758 --> 00:35:21,026
because of all of this.
547
00:35:21,027 --> 00:35:24,119
Meredith, tell Amy about when
you were a kid, that incident.
548
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,421
When I was young, maybe 5 or 6.
549
00:35:26,422 --> 00:35:28,570
I was here for a party.
550
00:35:28,571 --> 00:35:33,319
And upstairs I saw a figure
walk out of the room,
551
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,500
walk towards the stairway, through
the banister and down the stairs.
552
00:35:37,501 --> 00:35:39,174
Hmm.
553
00:35:39,175 --> 00:35:43,847
Well, one of the original owners of this
place was a guy named Abraham Hobbs.
554
00:35:43,848 --> 00:35:45,374
Couldn't get a photo of him.
555
00:35:45,375 --> 00:35:49,251
He was a confederate soldier, and got
wounded at the Battle of Antietam.
556
00:35:49,252 --> 00:35:51,022
He was a gentleman farmer.
557
00:35:51,023 --> 00:35:54,702
He owned many slaves that did
the farm work and housework.
558
00:35:54,703 --> 00:35:56,975
The thing about Hobbs,
he was pretty religious,
559
00:35:56,976 --> 00:36:00,217
and very involved in the church here.
560
00:36:00,218 --> 00:36:03,825
He had a half brother named
Gaston who lived here with him.
561
00:36:03,826 --> 00:36:08,926
Who was the music teacher
in town at the school.
562
00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:13,784
So, Amy, you did a sketch?
563
00:36:13,785 --> 00:36:15,645
Yes.
564
00:36:16,847 --> 00:36:18,378
This is the depressed guy?
565
00:36:18,379 --> 00:36:21,550
Yeah. But I have a theory about the sketch.
566
00:36:21,551 --> 00:36:24,186
Okay, well, we're dying to hear it.
567
00:36:24,187 --> 00:36:27,427
What do you guys think?
568
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,081
This is the depressed guy?
569
00:36:56,082 --> 00:36:59,436
Well, I have a theory about the sketch.
570
00:36:59,437 --> 00:37:03,097
Okay, well, dying to hear it.
571
00:37:04,872 --> 00:37:06,942
What do you guys think?
572
00:37:06,943 --> 00:37:08,803
Wow.
573
00:37:16,779 --> 00:37:18,622
Meredith, what do you think it looks like?
574
00:37:18,623 --> 00:37:22,763
Just going by features individually...
575
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,800
I would say Small.
576
00:37:27,632 --> 00:37:29,341
Kara, what do you think?
577
00:37:29,342 --> 00:37:32,461
Roundness of the nose is...
578
00:37:32,462 --> 00:37:35,702
More resembles, to me...
579
00:37:35,793 --> 00:37:37,302
Suzanne.
580
00:37:37,303 --> 00:37:43,203
You know, to me, this sketch reminds me
of a combination of all these people.
581
00:37:43,615 --> 00:37:46,316
That's what I was thinking.
That's what I was gonna say.
582
00:37:46,317 --> 00:37:47,921
- Yeah.
- Absolutely what I think.
583
00:37:47,922 --> 00:37:50,679
- Is it?
- Yes. Yep.
584
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,540
Wow.
585
00:37:52,666 --> 00:37:56,071
(Amy) Now I understand why I sense
the presence of more than one man,
586
00:37:56,072 --> 00:37:58,642
but only saw one clearly.
587
00:37:58,643 --> 00:38:02,282
This depressed man has taken all of
the death that has occurred here,
588
00:38:02,283 --> 00:38:06,592
and created a single entity
that is very dangerous.
589
00:38:06,593 --> 00:38:09,333
The depressed man that I saw...
590
00:38:09,334 --> 00:38:14,496
He looked very similar to this,
and he was the one who would...
591
00:38:14,497 --> 00:38:17,507
Put the dead people around the house.
592
00:38:17,508 --> 00:38:21,378
And set their bodies up in positions.
593
00:38:21,379 --> 00:38:25,983
So he would put them in a chair,
he would put them in the bed,
594
00:38:25,984 --> 00:38:31,884
and he had a very negative energy, and
he really, really, really liked death.
595
00:38:33,067 --> 00:38:38,638
And he's the one who's responsible for
turning the house into the house of death.
596
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:42,183
And I'm getting concerned about
what might have happened here...
597
00:38:42,184 --> 00:38:44,927
- Okay.
- Or is happening here.
598
00:38:44,928 --> 00:38:47,199
(Amy) Whatever this depressed man did here,
599
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,920
has attracted other men with
morbid fascinations to this house.
600
00:38:50,921 --> 00:38:54,897
And when they died here, pieces
of them were left behind.
601
00:38:54,898 --> 00:38:59,781
So now you have all these little
pieces of fractured people.
602
00:38:59,782 --> 00:39:02,234
Who are becoming one.
603
00:39:02,235 --> 00:39:05,091
And what happens in those
types of situations,
604
00:39:05,092 --> 00:39:07,770
is it can become a very,
very strong entity.
605
00:39:07,771 --> 00:39:12,991
And then it starts doing
really, really bad things.
606
00:39:19,122 --> 00:39:22,239
Well, you've seen the results
of the investigation we did.
607
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:25,747
The most pressing question
is, Kara, is it safe,
608
00:39:25,748 --> 00:39:29,915
for you to keep this place
open that you love so much?
609
00:39:29,916 --> 00:39:34,716
Um, for that I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
610
00:39:35,994 --> 00:39:40,014
What I feel needs to be done here is...
611
00:39:40,015 --> 00:39:45,067
The first thing is to contact what
I like to call a living medium.
612
00:39:45,068 --> 00:39:49,360
Which is someone who connects
the living with the dead.
613
00:39:49,361 --> 00:39:52,488
Now the first thing
they're going to do is...
614
00:39:52,489 --> 00:39:56,834
They're going to connect Dr.
Small hopefully with his lawyer.
615
00:39:56,835 --> 00:39:59,353
Who can be his representative still.
616
00:39:59,354 --> 00:40:03,681
And they would do this upstairs
in the hallway on that landing.
617
00:40:03,682 --> 00:40:09,582
Um, and it would just be the medium
and the lawyer, and then Dr. Small.
618
00:40:10,312 --> 00:40:14,512
Then the second thing is, uh, Leeman.
619
00:40:15,177 --> 00:40:18,661
The best thing there would be
the same type of scenario.
620
00:40:18,662 --> 00:40:23,235
With the medium, upstairs
on the landing with you.
621
00:40:23,236 --> 00:40:26,973
And the reason why I say that is because
of your reaction in the bathroom,
622
00:40:26,974 --> 00:40:31,863
and I think that there's a
reason why that happened.
623
00:40:31,864 --> 00:40:34,707
He does have issues, I'm not gonna lie.
624
00:40:34,708 --> 00:40:40,145
Um, but I think that if you're willing
to do this, you can help him.
625
00:40:40,146 --> 00:40:43,721
And you can fix the situation here as well.
626
00:40:43,722 --> 00:40:45,326
Okay.
627
00:40:45,327 --> 00:40:49,106
Then what you're going to want
to do is contact a death medium.
628
00:40:49,107 --> 00:40:54,732
Like me, who can come in and do a cleansing
from top to bottom, inside and out.
629
00:40:54,733 --> 00:40:58,730
If this is done properly, it should get
rid of all the entities that are here.
630
00:40:58,731 --> 00:41:01,076
And hopefully that can
be done fairly easily.
631
00:41:01,077 --> 00:41:04,642
If not, there may have
to be another session.
632
00:41:04,643 --> 00:41:07,747
Listen, are you okay? This is a lot...
a lot of pressure for you.
633
00:41:07,748 --> 00:41:10,181
A little overwhelmed, I'm not gonna lie.
634
00:41:10,182 --> 00:41:13,151
You know, there's a light at the
end of this tunnel, though.
635
00:41:13,152 --> 00:41:17,923
If you do do this, and you're strong
enough to do it, kids could come back.
636
00:41:17,924 --> 00:41:22,029
Now are you gonna be able to follow through
with all of this and help out with this?
637
00:41:22,030 --> 00:41:25,840
We're definitely gonna do
what Amy has suggested.
638
00:41:25,841 --> 00:41:28,950
Because we want, you know,
everything to end, and...
639
00:41:28,951 --> 00:41:33,151
I'm confident that we can settle it.
640
00:41:34,187 --> 00:41:37,405
(Amy) I really hope that Kara and
Ashley follow through with my advice,
641
00:41:37,406 --> 00:41:40,912
and release this house of all
the entities that lurk inside.
642
00:41:40,913 --> 00:41:44,214
If they do, I'm confident the
staff and visitors here will be
643
00:41:44,215 --> 00:41:50,115
safe from the harm that has been
inflicted on so many people.
644
00:41:50,124 --> 00:41:56,024
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