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Subs created by: David Coleman.
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Someone died, like, right here.
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She was, like, a teenager.
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I started seeing the vision of a girl.
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She has suffered a lot.
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And she continues to suffer.
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Do you think this was an accident?
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No.
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How severe were those injuries?
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She could've had significant
injuries to her head.
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(Bleep).
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I'm concerned that he might
actually hurt somebody.
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See, he's getting mad again,
and he's pissed off now.
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Did you see anything?
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No. I just felt it.
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He threw her down.
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He killed her.
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There's something down there.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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A lot of dead people are here.
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I see dead people.
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This is not good.
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I speak to dead people..
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He is very pissed off.
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And they speak to me..
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The house is angry.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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He's killed people.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Dischiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide Detective..
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He got shot at his house?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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Aren't you terrified being here?
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It's my job to reveal 'em.
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That sounds like something
out of "The Exorcist".
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But Steve and I never speak..
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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It's bad.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay..
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Amy and I work independently
of one another.
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I gather evidence, interview witnesses,
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and investigate the
history of each location.
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When we're done, we reveal our findings
to the clients and each other.
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I'm in Huntington, West Virginia, on
my way to meet with a local dentist.
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He tells me that the activity
in his office is so bad,
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even his employees don't
want to come to work.
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Worse, now that his patients
are starting to see things,
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he's afraid he's gonna lose his business.
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Before Amy enters a location,
I have to clear the area
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of anything that could
influence her findings.
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I can't hide the fact that
this is a dentist's office,
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but by removing the diplomas,
personal photos, and artwork..
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I can ensure that Amy's walk is free
of any kind of leading information.
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As I approach this location, dark
images begin flashing through my mind.
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The dead seem restless and are already
trying to communicate with me.
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I..
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Have this elderly gentleman with me.
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He's, uh, really tall, like, 6'2" to 6'4".
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He has, like, steely gray hair,
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and something happened,
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but I'm not sure what.
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Okay.
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Uh..
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Something happened in his office.
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I did hear, "murder.
Murder, murder, murder".
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So, Dr. Grimes, when we spoke on the
phone, you sounded a little concerned.
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Uh, what.. What's going on?
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We have a problem here.
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I've been in this building
for nearly 40 years.
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Starting out, things were just
noises that could be dismissed,
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but they have been increasing in intensity.
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I no longer have just sounds.
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I have visual things going on.
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In the last year this stuff
has really ramped up.
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It, uh, became more and more apparent
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that something was going
on, something frightening.
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As far as your employees go, I mean,
how are they dealing with it?
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Uh, they're afraid of it.
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Uh, well, for example, they
won't go upstairs at night.
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In fact, let me just show you something.
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I keep a logbook of incidents.
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It's not the little ones, uh,
they're too numerous, but..
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In this log, you will find, uh..
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Entries made by the people
who work here and others.
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I mean, I've never seen
anything like this before.
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I mean, I know people keep journals,
but I never saw a ghost log before.
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Are you concerned that what's ever
going on here is, uh, is dangerous?
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It's my concern that I could
actually frighten my patients away.
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If this increases, I may be in trouble,
uh, as far as my practice is concerned.
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Quite a few people died here..
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At this location.
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Quite a few people.
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I don't feel good about the
deaths that happened here.
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Like, I feel neglect, like, just..
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And I hear it. "Neglect".
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So, Doc, this doesn't look like
a dentist's office up here.
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It used to be a bedroom, uh,
in the original residence,
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and, uh, now it's just a place for
me to come and relax a little.
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Okay, so what's going on in here?
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This was, uh, originally, uh, a place
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where I started seeing the..
A vision of a little girl.
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You mean.. Can you describe her for me?
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Yes, I can. As a matter of fact,
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I've painted a painting
of her several years ago,
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- and I have it right here, which..
- Oh, this is her?
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This is as near as I could come
to the way she actually looked.
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As you can see, she's very sad.
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She makes you feel that you..
You've got to do something for her.
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One way I've tried to communicate
with her is through this painting.
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There's another way, and
I can show you that.
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I have left toys here for her.
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And I know that she's in here, because
some of these objects have moved.
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Do you feel like you're..
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Uh, consumed by this whole
thing going on in this house?
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Well, if you could see her,
uh, you would feel as I do.
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She makes you feel that you..
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You've got to do something for her.
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And you're a Father, and, you know, it's..
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It.. It does get to you.
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I have tried very hard
to reach out to her..
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Because of the empathy I feel for her.
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Now have you seen her on this floor?
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Uh, yes. In fact, she was standing
right there at that door.
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So what happened here on the stairs?
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I was down here, and, uh..
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She would just stand there looking at me,
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and I would get this strange feeling
that someone was looking at me,
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and I would turn around,
and there she would be.
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Mm.
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I hate the stairwell.
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I hate it. I don't know why.
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Something in that space..
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Is not good at all. It's..
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Making me sick to my stomach.
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I'm feeling a great deal of pain and
negativity coming from the stairwell.
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I know something horrible happened there..
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And I'm nervous to find out what.
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Mm.
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Someone like, died like, right here.
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It's a lady.
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She's, like, a teenager, and..
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And her heart's pounding.
Her heart's pounding.
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She's crying, and she peed herself.
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So much pain, and, uh, she
broke her legs or something.
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So have you experienced anything else here?
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Yes, I have. I was walking through this
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hallway late one evening,
turning things off.
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Uh, we were ready to leave the office.
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And from about this height..
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A voice came to me, a
man's voice, very deep.
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And he said, "get out of here".
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He, uh, is a huge man.
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He's big, and I've heard
him more than seen him.
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Now you've actually seen him?
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I haven't seen him so much.
I saw a shadow here
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and a shadow there, but he goes up and
down these stairs constantly, it seems.
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You can hear him stomping, literally.
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He's the one that I'm really concerned
about because of his aggression
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and because of his size, and I'm concerned
that he might actually hurt somebody.
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So she died, like, right here.
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This guy is laughing. He's just laughing.
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This large, angry man is the same
one I saw when I first arrived.
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I believe he's this poor girl's Father.
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He's very intimidating,
extremely cruel, and sadistic.
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He's just laughing and laughing.
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"She was a useless bitch".
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"She (Bleep) Wanted all this
stuff, the little bitch".
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"I didn't have a use for her any more".
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Because he didn't like her any more.
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He killed her.
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Mm.
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You know, he killed her.
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He didn't like her any more,
and he didn't want her around,
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and she annoyed him, and..
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(Bleep)! What the (Bleep)?!
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What happened?
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Mm. He poked me.
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He doesn't want me to
really talk about it..
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Because he got mad and ran away.
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So, Carey, I spoke with your Dad, and,
uh, he told me what was going on here.
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Now what about yourself?
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Have you experienced anything here?
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I have, when I was a child
in the waiting room.
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Uh, there was a young girl, and she was
kind of peeking around the corner at me.
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Okay. What'd she look like?
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Uh, she was young, so I'd
say probably 12 or 13.
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I just remember her face and her hair,
because she had long hair like I did,
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and that stood out to me. Long, dark hair.
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She had her head hung low,
and she would swing it
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back and forth while she looked at me.
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Did it look like the girl your Dad painted?
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Yes.
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Your Father seems pretty,
uh, consumed almost.
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Are you concerned for him?
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I just worry about his reputation.
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I mean, this is his livelihood.
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This is everything for him..
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- Right.
- 40 years' worth of work.
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He's got so much to lose.
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Absolutely everything.
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Even though the Doc and his daughter
have seen the same apparition.
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I need to speak with someone
who's outside the family.
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So I'm going to meet with a
woman who used to work here
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to see if she's had similar encounters.
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Karen, I understand you're a
former employee of the Doctor.
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That's correct.
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Okay, and how long did you work here?
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Probably a couple years.
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Okay. Now he's explained some bizarre
things that he's experienced here.
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Now how about yourself?
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There's been some bizarre
things happen to me also.
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Can you tell me about anything?
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I was assisting Dr.
Grimes in doing a root canal..
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And I glanced up.
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And there was a girl standing right
behind where you're standing.
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What did she look like to you?
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She had long..
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Very well-groomed..
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Dark hair.
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She seemed to me to be pretty.
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I can see her today as well as then.
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- It's that vivid in your mind?
- It's that vivid.
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- Okay.
- I will never forget it.
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I can see it's upsetting for you
to even be in the building.
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This room doesn't bother me as bad..
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As the room upstairs.
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I went up to get a file.
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And I could feel someone
in that room with me.
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Did you see anything?
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No. I just felt it.
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What happens when you walk into that room?
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That room..
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I felt like something came over me, like..
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Like someone was watching me.
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What the (Bleep)?
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The more I'm here, like, uh..
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The more I don't like this place.
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Why?
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Well..
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This guy was not good, and he was a liar.
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He's hiding h.. What h.. He looks like.
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Ever since the big man poked me
on the stairs, he's been hiding.
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I know he's watching me, but
he doesn't want to be seen.
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See, he's getting mad again. Yeah.
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- Is he back, hon?
- He's, like, coming.
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Coming.
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Charlotte, I understand that you
actually worked for the Doctor?
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00:15:28,068 --> 00:15:29,173
Yes, I did.
251
00:15:29,174 --> 00:15:30,562
Okay. What did you do?
252
00:15:30,563 --> 00:15:34,727
I owned a commercial cleaning
business, and I cleaned his offices.
253
00:15:34,728 --> 00:15:37,194
Now I was wondering if you,
while you were working here,
254
00:15:37,195 --> 00:15:39,211
ever experienced anything paranormal.
255
00:15:39,212 --> 00:15:40,755
Yes. Yes, I did.
256
00:15:40,756 --> 00:15:44,928
I was working in the kitchen,
and I heard this crying,
257
00:15:44,929 --> 00:15:47,518
and so I come back into this room.
258
00:15:47,519 --> 00:15:49,644
And this little girl is not crying..
259
00:15:49,645 --> 00:15:51,356
She's sobbing..
260
00:15:51,357 --> 00:15:54,777
As if her heart's broken.
261
00:15:55,881 --> 00:15:57,217
What did you do next?
262
00:15:57,218 --> 00:15:58,551
I came in and sit down.
263
00:15:58,552 --> 00:16:01,552
Although I didn't see her..
264
00:16:01,553 --> 00:16:05,557
I heard her, and I wanted to
sit down and comfort her.
265
00:16:05,558 --> 00:16:07,961
And try to help her in any way I could.
266
00:16:07,962 --> 00:16:09,729
And you just sat down and started trying..
267
00:16:09,730 --> 00:16:10,730
- Yes.
- To calm her down?
268
00:16:10,731 --> 00:16:12,399
- Right.
- But you never saw her?
269
00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:13,866
No. No.
270
00:16:13,867 --> 00:16:18,171
Whenever I come up these
stairs, I can feel her.
271
00:16:18,172 --> 00:16:22,380
I.. I can feel her presence,
and I can feel the sadness..
272
00:16:22,381 --> 00:16:25,078
And the heaviness.
273
00:16:25,079 --> 00:16:28,319
She has suffered a lot.
274
00:16:28,387 --> 00:16:31,927
And she continues to suffer.
275
00:16:37,936 --> 00:16:40,060
It's (Bleep) Up.
276
00:16:40,061 --> 00:16:43,296
He did, like, not want to..
277
00:16:43,297 --> 00:16:45,231
Really take care of his family.
278
00:16:45,232 --> 00:16:49,492
Like, he felt like they were leeches..
279
00:16:51,271 --> 00:16:54,797
And.. And, like, he would,
like, starve people.
280
00:16:54,798 --> 00:16:57,910
Like I feel like he's
starving people, he's lying..
281
00:16:57,911 --> 00:17:01,091
He, like, um, is, um..
282
00:17:01,382 --> 00:17:02,712
Just bad.
283
00:17:02,713 --> 00:17:05,593
Just a bad person.
284
00:17:05,953 --> 00:17:08,173
And, um..
285
00:17:09,622 --> 00:17:12,922
And then the.. There's..
286
00:17:13,472 --> 00:17:16,772
There's blood everywhere.
287
00:17:29,216 --> 00:17:32,053
So far, all I've got is a
lot of witness testimony,
288
00:17:32,054 --> 00:17:34,989
as to what's going on inside Dr.
Grimes office.
289
00:17:34,990 --> 00:17:37,810
But I need facts.
290
00:17:42,026 --> 00:17:43,958
Going through the library's archives.
291
00:17:43,959 --> 00:17:48,286
I find an article about a
21-year-old girl who died in 1929.
292
00:17:48,287 --> 00:17:54,187
From a fall in the same building
the Doc runs his practice at.
293
00:17:56,274 --> 00:18:00,026
The Doc told me he keeps seeing a young
girl who looks like she's sad and in pain.
294
00:18:00,027 --> 00:18:03,665
Now it turns out, a young girl
actually died in his duplex.
295
00:18:03,666 --> 00:18:05,541
So I'm headed off to meet
with a local historian,
296
00:18:05,542 --> 00:18:10,522
who promises to tell me
the rest of the story.
297
00:18:15,948 --> 00:18:19,581
I came across this article
about a girl named Lavina.
298
00:18:19,582 --> 00:18:23,784
That died from a fall in the location
I'm investigating, but it's very vague.
299
00:18:23,785 --> 00:18:25,574
Uh, so I was wondering if
you could help me out.
300
00:18:25,575 --> 00:18:28,219
She's sort of a woman of mystery.
301
00:18:28,220 --> 00:18:30,804
Uh, what we do know about
her, though, says..
302
00:18:30,805 --> 00:18:34,690
Suggests that her story
was a very tragic one.
303
00:18:34,691 --> 00:18:36,974
Her Mother, uh, Bernice..
304
00:18:36,975 --> 00:18:41,665
Was, uh, married to, uh, this
gentleman named, uh, Cyrus.
305
00:18:41,666 --> 00:18:43,854
- Okay.
- Apparently, uh, he liked to drink.
306
00:18:43,855 --> 00:18:48,217
And when he, uh, was drunk, he
liked to, uh, beat on his wife.
307
00:18:48,218 --> 00:18:53,406
And then, of course, the next day,
he sobered up and was very contrite.
308
00:18:53,407 --> 00:18:58,927
In 1913, Lavina, her elder
sister, and her Mother left.
309
00:18:59,190 --> 00:19:02,187
And moved into the duplex on 20th street.
310
00:19:02,188 --> 00:19:03,481
- In Huntington.
- Okay.
311
00:19:03,482 --> 00:19:05,217
Where Dr. Grimes' office is now?
312
00:19:05,218 --> 00:19:06,225
Exactly.
313
00:19:06,226 --> 00:19:08,045
We don't know if the Father
ever came back and..
314
00:19:08,046 --> 00:19:09,280
Or tried to find them or..
315
00:19:09,281 --> 00:19:10,596
We don't.. We don't know.
316
00:19:10,597 --> 00:19:13,134
Okay, but he was a miserable
bastard, this guy, apparently.
317
00:19:13,135 --> 00:19:14,615
And they, they had to get away from him.
318
00:19:14,616 --> 00:19:18,816
That's what the record, uh, suggests.
319
00:19:24,497 --> 00:19:27,492
I feel like there's..
320
00:19:27,493 --> 00:19:30,733
People. They're arguing.
321
00:19:31,281 --> 00:19:34,321
There's a male, and he's a liar..
322
00:19:34,322 --> 00:19:37,201
And there's the two ladies, and..
323
00:19:37,202 --> 00:19:39,722
And, uh, he..
324
00:19:42,821 --> 00:19:44,741
Wha..
325
00:19:44,885 --> 00:19:49,249
He's chasing.. Like, he's following them.
326
00:19:49,250 --> 00:19:50,726
And..
327
00:19:50,727 --> 00:19:52,519
Uh..
328
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,400
He's doing things.
329
00:19:57,611 --> 00:19:59,672
As I walk through this house, I keep seeing
330
00:19:59,673 --> 00:20:01,962
the dead girl's Father by the stairwell.
331
00:20:01,963 --> 00:20:07,863
He's very upset, and he's taking
his aggression out on his family.
332
00:20:10,451 --> 00:20:12,506
His wife..
333
00:20:12,507 --> 00:20:17,136
Ran away because he's coming
in, and he's pissed off now.
334
00:20:17,137 --> 00:20:19,590
This is happening right now?
335
00:20:19,591 --> 00:20:21,511
Yeah.
336
00:20:25,358 --> 00:20:27,457
Uh, it says she died from a fall.
337
00:20:27,458 --> 00:20:30,276
Um, but the articles are
vague, and they just..
338
00:20:30,277 --> 00:20:32,943
The articles are, uh, not just vague.
339
00:20:32,944 --> 00:20:34,337
They're contradictory.
340
00:20:34,338 --> 00:20:35,458
Right.
341
00:20:35,459 --> 00:20:38,808
I have here, uh, her death certificate.
342
00:20:38,809 --> 00:20:41,840
Which actually says that she died..
343
00:20:41,841 --> 00:20:45,381
From acute alcohol poisoning.
344
00:20:46,341 --> 00:20:49,241
But the paper says she's.. She fell, so..
345
00:20:49,242 --> 00:20:50,944
Well, who.. Who do you thinks right?
346
00:20:50,945 --> 00:20:53,387
I have no idea.
347
00:20:53,388 --> 00:20:54,552
This is during prohibition.
348
00:20:54,553 --> 00:20:57,349
West Virginia went dry in 1914.
349
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:59,686
But nobody stopped drinking.
350
00:20:59,687 --> 00:21:01,351
One word..
351
00:21:01,352 --> 00:21:02,664
"Moonshine".
352
00:21:02,665 --> 00:21:03,457
Ah.
353
00:21:03,458 --> 00:21:08,662
And what prohibition did was create an
entirely new market for the moonshiners.
354
00:21:08,663 --> 00:21:09,378
Okay.
355
00:21:09,379 --> 00:21:11,358
- But moon shining is an art.
- Right.
356
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,798
If you don't do it right, you
can kill your customers.
357
00:21:14,799 --> 00:21:18,038
So it.. All possibility is she could've
gotten a hold of some bad liquor.
358
00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:19,104
Exactly.
359
00:21:19,105 --> 00:21:21,988
So the death certificate says one thing,
and the newspaper articles say another.
360
00:21:21,989 --> 00:21:26,871
One article, uh, says that she
died after an illness of ten days.
361
00:21:26,872 --> 00:21:29,149
As the result of a fall.
362
00:21:29,150 --> 00:21:31,070
Okay.
363
00:21:34,268 --> 00:21:38,199
Her legs are messed up,
like, so there's nerves..
364
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,077
There was a pain here.
365
00:21:41,078 --> 00:21:45,398
A really bad pain here, like a crunch.
366
00:21:45,807 --> 00:21:50,667
And this guy is laughing.
He's just laughing.
367
00:21:52,127 --> 00:21:54,796
Do you think this was an accident?
368
00:21:54,797 --> 00:21:56,597
No.
369
00:21:57,269 --> 00:22:00,329
He's happy about it.
370
00:22:01,307 --> 00:22:03,527
I think..
371
00:22:04,796 --> 00:22:07,642
He threw her down.
372
00:22:07,643 --> 00:22:10,583
This is so (Bleep).
373
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:14,329
I think he tossed her over.
374
00:22:24,510 --> 00:22:27,217
Something about this case
does not sit right with me.
375
00:22:27,218 --> 00:22:30,932
The newspaper article states
that Lavina died from a fall.
376
00:22:30,933 --> 00:22:34,153
But the death certificate
lists another cause of death.
377
00:22:34,154 --> 00:22:36,053
So what I did was send
all the paperwork over
378
00:22:36,054 --> 00:22:38,047
to one of the top paramedics in the County
379
00:22:38,048 --> 00:22:43,088
to see if he can make
any sense of it for me.
380
00:22:52,557 --> 00:22:54,609
So, Steve, I'm sure with
your experience, uh,
381
00:22:54,610 --> 00:22:58,364
you've responded to thousands
of people falling.
382
00:22:58,365 --> 00:23:00,027
Now the pain she must've been in
383
00:23:00,028 --> 00:23:01,452
- if it was a fall..
- Right.
384
00:23:01,453 --> 00:23:03,723
Uh, how severe were those
injuries, uh, that she died from?
385
00:23:03,724 --> 00:23:06,855
If she was climbing the stairs
and she fell 10 or 12 stairs,
386
00:23:06,856 --> 00:23:09,593
which would've been her height
or two times her height,
387
00:23:09,594 --> 00:23:12,560
you know she could've had significant
injuries, significant injuries to her head,
388
00:23:12,561 --> 00:23:15,913
bruises on the brain, bleeding
that starts to spread.
389
00:23:15,914 --> 00:23:18,996
As that bleeding starts to spread,
they're gonna have severe headache.
390
00:23:18,997 --> 00:23:21,149
After severe headache, they're
gonna have blurry vision,
391
00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:23,475
and after blurry vision,
you know, ultimately,
392
00:23:23,476 --> 00:23:28,336
altered mental status, and
then unconsciousness.
393
00:23:32,089 --> 00:23:35,407
He, like, threw her down.
394
00:23:35,408 --> 00:23:40,928
He was like, "it's like..
She's all broken. (Bleep) ".
395
00:23:42,385 --> 00:23:44,353
And then..
396
00:23:44,354 --> 00:23:47,442
There was a pain here.
397
00:23:47,443 --> 00:23:51,763
A really bad pain here, like a crunch.
398
00:23:57,796 --> 00:23:59,970
Yeah. Oh, that.. (Bleep).
399
00:23:59,971 --> 00:24:02,708
I don't know. Maybe she broke her back.
400
00:24:02,709 --> 00:24:05,237
It's not good at all.
401
00:24:05,238 --> 00:24:07,998
It's really bad.
402
00:24:11,035 --> 00:24:13,880
The death certificate lists alcohol
poisoning as the cause of death.
403
00:24:13,881 --> 00:24:17,021
Now it's 1929, so this is prohibition.
404
00:24:17,022 --> 00:24:20,136
Right. The federal government
was still producing..
405
00:24:20,137 --> 00:24:22,643
Uh, alcohol for medicinal purposes.
406
00:24:22,644 --> 00:24:25,181
Now would a civilian be able to get that?
407
00:24:25,182 --> 00:24:29,228
What they tried to do was they tried
to take that medicinal alcohol..
408
00:24:29,229 --> 00:24:33,440
And they would put small traces
of poison in that alcohol.
409
00:24:33,441 --> 00:24:36,946
To prevent people from using it
as a recreational, uh, drink.
410
00:24:36,947 --> 00:24:38,787
And just for the purposes
that it was produced.
411
00:24:38,788 --> 00:24:41,606
Okay, so that.. That was their way of
trying to curb them from using it.
412
00:24:41,607 --> 00:24:42,629
Exactly.
413
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:45,612
So, Steve, if she started to
ingest this poison liquor,
414
00:24:45,613 --> 00:24:47,921
uh, would it taste like alcohol?
Would it.. What would happen?
415
00:24:47,922 --> 00:24:51,892
As she ingested this, it's gonna cause
severe burning in her upper airway.
416
00:24:51,893 --> 00:24:53,685
As she swallows it, it's
gonna cause burning
417
00:24:53,686 --> 00:24:56,199
going down her esophagus
down into her stomach.
418
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,015
And it's gonna aggravate
her stomach lining.
419
00:24:58,016 --> 00:25:00,228
Would moonshine cause that
same type of symptom?
420
00:25:00,229 --> 00:25:03,607
Yes. When they filtered
these homemade spirits,
421
00:25:03,608 --> 00:25:05,828
they were filtered through radiators,
422
00:25:05,829 --> 00:25:11,729
and eventually lead poisoning,
uh, could've been a possibility.
423
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,670
The daughter that died on the stairs..
424
00:25:19,671 --> 00:25:22,480
There was a sickness with the throat.
425
00:25:22,481 --> 00:25:24,845
Uh, like, um..
426
00:25:24,846 --> 00:25:28,673
Really bad illness that affected..
427
00:25:28,674 --> 00:25:29,947
Uh, the throat.
428
00:25:29,948 --> 00:25:32,948
Like a.. Really bad.
429
00:25:36,862 --> 00:25:40,518
It's, uh, really this intense pain.
430
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:43,173
Going all the way down.
431
00:25:43,174 --> 00:25:46,886
Can you describe the pain in their throat?
432
00:25:46,887 --> 00:25:49,997
It's like if you've eaten a lot of lemons.
433
00:25:49,998 --> 00:25:53,330
And then you get the pain in your ears.
434
00:25:53,331 --> 00:25:57,891
And it's all raw and burning.. Like that.
435
00:25:58,935 --> 00:26:01,971
The death certificate says one thing.
The newspaper articles say another.
436
00:26:01,972 --> 00:26:03,611
I'm up in the air on what I
think might have happened.
437
00:26:03,612 --> 00:26:06,803
So I wanted to get your opinion and what
you thought about both the reports.
438
00:26:06,804 --> 00:26:10,415
By looking at the newspaper accounts,
reviewing her death certificate..
439
00:26:10,416 --> 00:26:13,321
It looks like Miss Wall
either was drinking..
440
00:26:13,322 --> 00:26:15,493
Went to climb the steps,
fell down the steps,
441
00:26:15,494 --> 00:26:18,792
suffered some type of head
injury or internal bleeding.
442
00:26:18,793 --> 00:26:20,661
Or she had fallen.
443
00:26:20,662 --> 00:26:25,547
And after she had fallen, she may have
been trying to, uh, lessen that pain..
444
00:26:25,548 --> 00:26:27,558
Numb those nerve receptors herself.
445
00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:30,353
By using, whether it be
illegal or legal spirits.
446
00:26:30,354 --> 00:26:32,130
Okay, but the cure could've
been worse than the illness.
447
00:26:32,131 --> 00:26:34,711
- Yes.
- Okay.
448
00:26:45,803 --> 00:26:48,217
During my walk, I encountered an older man
449
00:26:48,218 --> 00:26:50,675
and the daughter I think
he brutally murdered.
450
00:26:50,676 --> 00:26:54,357
I'm meeting with a sketch
artist to reveal what I saw.
451
00:26:54,358 --> 00:26:57,958
He's approximately 60 to 65.
452
00:26:58,637 --> 00:27:00,723
If you could describe him
in, like, a couple words..
453
00:27:00,724 --> 00:27:02,884
"Cowboy".
454
00:27:03,966 --> 00:27:06,769
He has a very rugged..
455
00:27:06,770 --> 00:27:08,537
Uh, thick skin.
456
00:27:08,538 --> 00:27:13,398
Because he used to do a
lot of work outside.
457
00:27:14,211 --> 00:27:16,712
Does he carry a lot of..
Any weight in his face?
458
00:27:16,713 --> 00:27:17,880
- No.
- Okay.
459
00:27:17,881 --> 00:27:21,541
Mm-mm. He's broad-shouldered.
460
00:27:25,129 --> 00:27:27,244
His hair is very thick.
461
00:27:27,245 --> 00:27:28,817
It's wavy.
462
00:27:28,818 --> 00:27:32,898
- It's a nice silver gray.
- Okay.
463
00:27:34,206 --> 00:27:37,626
Amy, is this who you saw?
464
00:27:39,094 --> 00:27:40,954
Yes.
465
00:28:08,667 --> 00:28:10,888
Now that our investigations are complete.
466
00:28:10,889 --> 00:28:14,205
We're hoping our findings will help Dr.
Grimes save his practice.
467
00:28:14,206 --> 00:28:16,691
I've invited Karen to join
us because I feel she
468
00:28:16,692 --> 00:28:21,612
needs answers to her own
terrifying experiences.
469
00:28:23,015 --> 00:28:25,326
Dr. Grimes is..
470
00:28:25,327 --> 00:28:28,319
The owner of the duplex.
471
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,288
It's his dentist office.
472
00:28:30,289 --> 00:28:32,691
Karen actually used to work for Dr. Grimes.
473
00:28:32,692 --> 00:28:36,252
The reason we are here and
why he called us in is, uh..
474
00:28:36,253 --> 00:28:39,118
He's had activity there
for the entire time.
475
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:42,462
But recently it's really increased.
476
00:28:42,463 --> 00:28:44,040
He thinks he may be losing patients
477
00:28:44,041 --> 00:28:45,795
because of some of the things
that are going on there.
478
00:28:45,796 --> 00:28:47,403
And he needs to know what's happening.
479
00:28:47,404 --> 00:28:49,146
With that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
480
00:28:49,147 --> 00:28:53,947
And she can start telling
us about her walk.
481
00:28:59,501 --> 00:29:01,737
This is really bad.
482
00:29:01,738 --> 00:29:03,435
Really bad.
483
00:29:03,436 --> 00:29:06,107
So I started going up one the staircases..
484
00:29:06,108 --> 00:29:08,318
And I saw this..
485
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:10,728
Girl laying there.
486
00:29:10,729 --> 00:29:13,549
And she was dead.
487
00:29:14,745 --> 00:29:16,559
She was, like, twisted.
488
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,582
Her legs are not right.
489
00:29:18,583 --> 00:29:21,152
One was bent awkwardly at the knee.
490
00:29:21,153 --> 00:29:22,256
Mm.
491
00:29:22,257 --> 00:29:25,677
She was in absolute agony.
492
00:29:25,724 --> 00:29:30,394
All of her nerves in her
legs were, like, on fire.
493
00:29:30,395 --> 00:29:34,475
And I got this intense throat pain.
494
00:29:34,968 --> 00:29:37,340
There was a sickness with the throat.
495
00:29:37,341 --> 00:29:41,839
Uh, really this intense pain's
going all the way down.
496
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,560
And it's all raw and burning.
497
00:29:46,879 --> 00:29:50,614
There was a young girl that did die..
498
00:29:50,615 --> 00:29:52,209
Back in 1929.
499
00:29:52,210 --> 00:29:55,128
Her name was Lavina Wall.
500
00:29:55,129 --> 00:29:58,074
But the cause of her death is unclear.
501
00:29:58,075 --> 00:30:00,891
Newspapers articles say
she died from a fall.
502
00:30:00,892 --> 00:30:02,877
- Oh, my gosh. Really?
- A fall?
503
00:30:02,878 --> 00:30:04,998
The death certificate, which I have here,
504
00:30:04,999 --> 00:30:08,252
says she died from acute liquor poisoning.
505
00:30:08,253 --> 00:30:09,087
What?
506
00:30:09,088 --> 00:30:12,703
It was the prohibition, so
it was medicinal liquor.
507
00:30:12,704 --> 00:30:15,284
Um, but some of the
liquors had poison in it.
508
00:30:15,285 --> 00:30:18,910
He said if that happened, if
she drank it, she would've..
509
00:30:18,911 --> 00:30:21,746
Choking and burning
sensation in the throat.
510
00:30:21,747 --> 00:30:23,107
Windpipe would close.
511
00:30:23,108 --> 00:30:26,583
Well, she died an agonizing death.
She lasted a few days.
512
00:30:26,584 --> 00:30:27,818
Ohh.
513
00:30:27,819 --> 00:30:31,722
You know, you've had an instance
where you've seen a young girl.
514
00:30:31,723 --> 00:30:35,204
I would get a strange feeling
that someone was watching me.
515
00:30:35,205 --> 00:30:36,214
Mm-hmm.
516
00:30:36,215 --> 00:30:40,724
And I would turn and look at the..
The doorway at the top of the stairwell.
517
00:30:40,725 --> 00:30:43,914
And just for a split instant..
518
00:30:43,915 --> 00:30:46,303
I would see a flash of a little girl.
519
00:30:46,304 --> 00:30:49,451
I could see pain in her eyes.
520
00:30:49,452 --> 00:30:54,360
And a longing for someone
to understand that pain.
521
00:30:54,361 --> 00:30:55,639
Mm-hmm.
522
00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,073
It.. It's hard to describe that, but it..
It was a..
523
00:31:00,074 --> 00:31:03,159
A, um, a moment of change.
524
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,824
From absolute terror..
525
00:31:05,825 --> 00:31:06,640
Mm-hmm.
526
00:31:06,641 --> 00:31:10,961
To feeling that you wanna help someone.
527
00:31:14,865 --> 00:31:17,517
I did do a sketch of the scene.
528
00:31:17,518 --> 00:31:21,118
That I saw on the staircase.
529
00:31:34,384 --> 00:31:36,784
Oh, my God.
530
00:31:42,013 --> 00:31:44,236
Now you're very protective of this..
531
00:31:44,237 --> 00:31:46,045
- Little entity that you see.
- I am.
532
00:31:46,046 --> 00:31:48,888
Now how do you feel about
that, seeing her like that?
533
00:31:48,889 --> 00:31:51,944
Well, it's like seeing one
of your children hurt.
534
00:31:51,945 --> 00:31:52,943
Really hurt.
535
00:31:52,944 --> 00:31:56,117
Did you get to see her face or anything?
536
00:31:56,118 --> 00:31:58,458
I did not.
537
00:31:58,509 --> 00:32:00,269
I only got a quick glimpse of her face.
538
00:32:00,270 --> 00:32:03,024
So I didn't feel confident
enough to sketch it.
539
00:32:03,025 --> 00:32:06,817
But I got a very strong sense
of everything else about her.
540
00:32:06,818 --> 00:32:10,730
The unfortunate part about this girl is..
541
00:32:10,731 --> 00:32:12,837
I couldn't find a photo of her anywhere.
542
00:32:12,838 --> 00:32:17,356
But the good Doctor here
is quite a painter.
543
00:32:17,357 --> 00:32:19,864
He actually painted a picture of her.
544
00:32:19,865 --> 00:32:22,385
Which I have.
545
00:32:24,339 --> 00:32:26,263
Everybody else has seen it but you.
546
00:32:26,264 --> 00:32:28,424
Oh, wow.
547
00:32:33,878 --> 00:32:36,820
- So you think it's her?
- Without a doubt.
548
00:32:36,821 --> 00:32:39,754
Dr. Grimes, can you do me a
favor and explain to Amy..
549
00:32:39,755 --> 00:32:41,752
How you're trying to communicate
with this little girl?
550
00:32:41,753 --> 00:32:44,934
There's a closet in the room
at the top of the stairs..
551
00:32:44,935 --> 00:32:49,392
And I, over the years,
have put toys in there.
552
00:32:49,393 --> 00:32:51,628
To let her know that there
are people who care.
553
00:32:51,629 --> 00:32:54,085
I don't know if I'm doing
the they're thing or not.
554
00:32:54,086 --> 00:32:56,147
Is that a good thing or
a bad thing he's doing?
555
00:32:56,148 --> 00:32:57,726
Really bad.
556
00:32:57,727 --> 00:32:59,875
What can happen is that..
557
00:32:59,876 --> 00:33:03,901
A lot of times, um, we become
a little too attached.
558
00:33:03,902 --> 00:33:08,478
That attachment can actually be something
else that kind of holds them here.
559
00:33:08,479 --> 00:33:10,279
Oh.
560
00:33:13,117 --> 00:33:15,658
What else did you see?
561
00:33:15,659 --> 00:33:18,364
Um, I also encountered..
562
00:33:18,365 --> 00:33:21,113
A really negative male.
563
00:33:21,114 --> 00:33:24,328
At the top of the stairs..
564
00:33:24,329 --> 00:33:26,563
Who I believe is her Father.
565
00:33:26,564 --> 00:33:30,344
And he really hated his family.
566
00:33:30,809 --> 00:33:32,897
This guy is laughing.
567
00:33:32,898 --> 00:33:35,324
He's just laughing and laughing.
568
00:33:35,325 --> 00:33:37,671
"She was a useless bitch".
569
00:33:37,672 --> 00:33:40,021
"She (Bleep) Wanted all this stuff".
570
00:33:40,022 --> 00:33:44,684
"And I didn't have any
use for her any more".
571
00:33:44,685 --> 00:33:48,432
Why don't you explain to Amy
what you told me, about..
572
00:33:48,433 --> 00:33:50,287
What's going on upstairs?
573
00:33:50,288 --> 00:33:52,759
In the stairwell..
574
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,368
I have heard a man really
putting his feet down hard.
575
00:33:57,369 --> 00:33:58,815
Like he's stomping.
576
00:33:58,816 --> 00:34:02,132
And I get the impression
he's a rather large man.
577
00:34:02,133 --> 00:34:04,514
He came up behind me one
evening as I was turning
578
00:34:04,515 --> 00:34:06,386
off the lights and everything in the house.
579
00:34:06,387 --> 00:34:08,872
He simply said, "get out of here".
580
00:34:08,873 --> 00:34:11,661
I would get so afraid that I
would just have to leave.
581
00:34:11,662 --> 00:34:13,678
He's aggressive.
582
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,869
He seems to be angry about something.
583
00:34:15,870 --> 00:34:17,314
He's very violent.
584
00:34:17,315 --> 00:34:20,075
- Violent?
- Yes.
585
00:34:21,428 --> 00:34:23,597
He is a very violent personality.
586
00:34:23,598 --> 00:34:27,890
When I was talking about
what happened to her..
587
00:34:27,891 --> 00:34:30,362
He became extremely upset.
588
00:34:30,363 --> 00:34:33,936
And then he came up behind me and he..
589
00:34:33,937 --> 00:34:35,997
Poked me really hard right here.
590
00:34:35,998 --> 00:34:39,118
And then he ran away.
591
00:34:40,728 --> 00:34:41,972
(Bleep)!
592
00:34:41,973 --> 00:34:43,788
What the (Bleep)?!
593
00:34:43,789 --> 00:34:45,246
What happened?
594
00:34:45,247 --> 00:34:47,411
He poked me.
595
00:34:47,412 --> 00:34:51,312
Because he got mad and ran away.
596
00:34:52,123 --> 00:34:56,296
Now, Karen, you.. You.. You're..
You got emotional again.
597
00:34:56,297 --> 00:34:58,452
I was upstairs..
598
00:34:58,453 --> 00:35:01,529
And I was hit with something..
599
00:35:01,530 --> 00:35:05,884
That I was so cold it
affected my whole body.
600
00:35:05,885 --> 00:35:10,057
My knees were shaking.
It was bad. Very bad.
601
00:35:10,058 --> 00:35:12,758
Very frightening.
602
00:35:13,378 --> 00:35:16,273
There's a back story to Lavina.
603
00:35:16,274 --> 00:35:18,311
The girl that died in the duplex.
604
00:35:18,312 --> 00:35:20,777
Her, her Mother, and her older sister..
605
00:35:20,778 --> 00:35:24,724
Fled Ohio from their abusive, drunk Father.
606
00:35:24,725 --> 00:35:27,420
His name was Cyrus.
607
00:35:27,421 --> 00:35:33,321
And just by looking at the photo of him,
you can see he's a real miserable guy.
608
00:35:36,594 --> 00:35:37,560
Wow.
609
00:35:37,561 --> 00:35:39,878
He was abusive. He was a drunk.
610
00:35:39,879 --> 00:35:43,647
He beat his wife. But then the next
day, he would be apologetic about it.
611
00:35:43,648 --> 00:35:45,988
Whoa. Okay.
612
00:35:47,504 --> 00:35:50,485
Um, so I did a sketch.
613
00:35:50,486 --> 00:35:53,549
That I think might be him.
614
00:35:53,550 --> 00:35:54,543
You think?
615
00:35:54,544 --> 00:35:57,664
You guys can tell me.
616
00:36:06,090 --> 00:36:07,950
Wow.
617
00:36:09,075 --> 00:36:10,812
Look at this photo.
618
00:36:10,813 --> 00:36:15,073
Now look at this sketch. You tell me.
619
00:36:32,724 --> 00:36:35,005
So I did a sketch.
620
00:36:35,006 --> 00:36:38,486
That I think might be him.
621
00:36:44,769 --> 00:36:46,629
Wow.
622
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:48,972
Look at this photo.
623
00:36:48,973 --> 00:36:50,775
Now look at this sketch.
624
00:36:50,776 --> 00:36:53,236
You tell me.
625
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,940
The same.. Cruel mouth.
626
00:37:11,575 --> 00:37:13,898
The same boxer-like nose.
627
00:37:13,899 --> 00:37:15,233
And ears.
628
00:37:15,234 --> 00:37:18,234
Yeah, the long ears.
629
00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:22,037
- She has him.
- Mm-hmm.
630
00:37:22,038 --> 00:37:24,258
I would say that's him.
631
00:37:24,259 --> 00:37:25,936
I can feel it.
632
00:37:25,937 --> 00:37:28,337
It's weird.
633
00:37:30,046 --> 00:37:34,084
I'm just, like, freaked out a little bit.
634
00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:36,454
What would bring him to the house?
635
00:37:36,455 --> 00:37:38,675
I think..
636
00:37:38,966 --> 00:37:41,906
He, uh, killed her.
637
00:37:42,862 --> 00:37:47,203
He was at the top of the stairs,
picked her up, and threw her.
638
00:37:47,204 --> 00:37:49,604
Oh, my God.
639
00:37:52,671 --> 00:37:55,042
One of the things that I did get,
640
00:37:55,043 --> 00:37:59,977
um, was that he did attempt to
make it look like an accident.
641
00:37:59,978 --> 00:38:04,054
My gut and my investigative background..
642
00:38:04,055 --> 00:38:08,419
I wouldn't doubt that this guy was
capable of doing what he did.
643
00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:11,389
I don't know might possess a man
to come looking for his daughter
644
00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:12,924
and kill her in cold blood.
645
00:38:12,925 --> 00:38:16,761
But as a former Detective, I've
seen this plenty of times before.
646
00:38:16,762 --> 00:38:21,360
You said that you heard him
laughing, uh, about this..
647
00:38:21,361 --> 00:38:23,401
The.. The fact that he
knew what he had done?
648
00:38:23,402 --> 00:38:24,569
Oh, yeah.
649
00:38:24,570 --> 00:38:27,080
He was very proud of himself.
650
00:38:27,081 --> 00:38:29,230
Well, I'll be.
651
00:38:29,231 --> 00:38:32,951
I never even.. Dreamt of that.
652
00:38:34,157 --> 00:38:36,780
This evil man continues
to haunt this location..
653
00:38:36,781 --> 00:38:42,681
Because he wants to keep the events
surrounding his daughter's death unknown.
654
00:38:44,388 --> 00:38:47,625
Well, Doctor, now we're gonna answer
your most pressing question..
655
00:38:47,626 --> 00:38:48,960
Is it safe for you here?
656
00:38:48,961 --> 00:38:53,464
And is there a way to stop some of these
spirits scaring away your patients?
657
00:38:53,465 --> 00:38:58,025
For that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
658
00:38:58,435 --> 00:39:02,904
The first thing that I would recommend
is getting rid of her Father.
659
00:39:02,905 --> 00:39:07,295
He needs to be removed from the location.
660
00:39:07,296 --> 00:39:13,169
I have some things that I brought that I
felt would be good for getting him out.
661
00:39:13,170 --> 00:39:15,350
This is a blend of natural herbs.
662
00:39:15,351 --> 00:39:19,235
Something that you burn and you can
walk through the house with it.
663
00:39:19,236 --> 00:39:23,123
It's for home blessing and protection.
664
00:39:23,124 --> 00:39:25,945
And then we have some holy water.
665
00:39:25,946 --> 00:39:29,116
He's not gonna like this at all.
666
00:39:29,117 --> 00:39:33,917
This is going to make
him very uncomfortable.
667
00:39:34,338 --> 00:39:38,804
And then the last thing
we have is black salt.
668
00:39:38,805 --> 00:39:42,172
That's going to keep him out.
669
00:39:42,173 --> 00:39:45,999
And you wanna do this once
every day for a week.
670
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:51,520
So he knows that he's not
allowed back in that house.
671
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:55,788
After you deal with him.
672
00:39:55,789 --> 00:40:00,949
The next step is going to
be connecting with her.
673
00:40:02,367 --> 00:40:06,631
Having a talk with her,
and letting her know..
674
00:40:06,632 --> 00:40:10,025
That it's okay for her to go.
675
00:40:10,026 --> 00:40:12,923
It may take several months.
676
00:40:12,924 --> 00:40:16,981
Because you guys are so attached
to each other, to work through it.
677
00:40:16,982 --> 00:40:20,456
And you may see a lot of changes with her.
678
00:40:20,457 --> 00:40:26,357
And they'll be positive changes as
she's getting ready to.. To leave.
679
00:40:26,594 --> 00:40:29,715
So does he just tell her,
"you should go, move on"?
680
00:40:29,716 --> 00:40:31,314
Or what does he.. What does he tell her?
681
00:40:31,315 --> 00:40:33,247
Well, it's kind of like
sitting down and being like..
682
00:40:33,248 --> 00:40:35,178
"You know, we.. We know the truth.
683
00:40:35,179 --> 00:40:37,002
We know what happened to you".
684
00:40:37,003 --> 00:40:39,606
Because it really validates them.
685
00:40:39,607 --> 00:40:42,589
To be acknowledged and
have their stories heard.
686
00:40:42,590 --> 00:40:46,891
That's one of the most
important things for the dead.
687
00:40:46,892 --> 00:40:49,898
Karen, h.. How does all this
information make you feel?
688
00:40:49,899 --> 00:40:52,467
I mean, do you feel validated?
689
00:40:52,468 --> 00:40:54,017
Yes.
690
00:40:54,018 --> 00:40:56,827
I think..
I think we've got some closure now.
691
00:40:56,828 --> 00:40:58,097
Okay.
692
00:40:58,098 --> 00:41:00,015
Doc, are you gonna be able to let her go?
693
00:41:00,016 --> 00:41:01,469
Because you're..
You're really, like, almost
694
00:41:01,470 --> 00:41:05,670
a fatherly figure right now with her.
695
00:41:10,375 --> 00:41:12,715
I have to.
696
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,038
It's.. It's for her.
697
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:15,247
It's for her.
698
00:41:15,248 --> 00:41:16,891
It's not me. It's her.
699
00:41:16,892 --> 00:41:20,272
I'll miss her, but I certainly wouldn't
miss him for one split second.
700
00:41:20,273 --> 00:41:22,913
No not at all.
701
00:41:26,085 --> 00:41:27,888
Even though it may look bizarre to you..
702
00:41:27,889 --> 00:41:29,405
It looks bizarre to me..
703
00:41:29,406 --> 00:41:32,590
Just promise me you'll take her advice.
704
00:41:32,591 --> 00:41:34,691
I will.
705
00:41:35,208 --> 00:41:37,840
I really hope that Dr.
Grimes follows through..
706
00:41:37,841 --> 00:41:40,774
And cleanses the house of the angry Father.
707
00:41:40,775 --> 00:41:46,675
Even if it means letting go of the
little girl he's grown so attached to.
708
00:41:46,703 --> 00:41:50,423
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