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Whoa, what was that?!
I saw something,
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just boom,
real quick, across the sky.
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We need a much larger rocket
that can go up through
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the triangle
and multiple very large lasers.
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You are proposing
something on a grand scale.
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- TRAVIS: There it goes.
- DAVE: Oh, [bleep]. Let's go.
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Oh, my God.
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ERIK:
Travis, you-you got to see this.
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BRANDON:
It disappeared.
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TRAVIS:
What did it disappear into?
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BRANDON: Are we
seeing portals opening?
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NARRATOR: There is a
ranch in Northern Utah.
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It is considered the epicenter
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of the strangest and most disturbing
phenomena on Earth:
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animal mutilations,
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bizarre UFO sightings
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and unusual energies that have
proven harmful to humans.
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For 20 years, the federal
government
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tried to find answers
and failed.
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Now a new team of
dedicated scientists,
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researchers and experts
has taken over.
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They are determined to solve
the mystery and reveal...
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The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch.
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- Hey, Pete.
- Hey, hey.
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ERIK: Yeah, it's
good to have you back.
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Can't wait to see what
you're packing this time.
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- [chuckles]
- How's it going?
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TRAVIS: We've had the
most incredible year yet
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investigating and stimulating
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all kinds of strange phenomena
on Skinwalker Ranch.
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But the weather is
about to turn really harsh,
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as fall sets in, meaning
that we're out of time
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to conduct any more
large-scale experiments.
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PETE: I brought some goodies.
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- We can do photogrammetry.
- Now, that's good.
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TRAVIS: So we invited
technologist Pete Kelsey back
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to perform a final high-tech
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3D photogrammetry drone
scan of the entire ranch.
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Well, I'm excited to
have you out here.
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- It'd be great to take you back to the mesa.
- Let's go.
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All right. Let's do it.
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TRAVIS: Photogrammetry
is a process
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where thousands of
high-definition photographs
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are taken of an area of interest
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and combined to create a detailed
three-dimensional map,
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potentially revealing features
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that aren't visible to
the naked eye.
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- THOMAS: About right here is good.
- TRAVIS: All right.
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Before we have to put
our investigation
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on hold until next year,
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we want to get a 3D model
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of every part of the ranch to
see if any anomalies appear.
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If something shows up,
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maybe it will help us determine
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what is behind all the UAPs
and the other phenomena
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that we've documented here.
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- This looks great.
- Uh-huh.
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TRAVIS: Well, start,
uh, getting set up
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- and let's do this thing.
- PETE: Okay.
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ERIK: Pete Kelsey has brought on
some of the most advanced
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technology one can
get his hands on.
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- PETE: Have a matching set, thank you.
- BRYANT: Okay, yeah, sure.
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ERIK: This drone is a
robotic flying platform
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that has exquisite
spatial awareness.
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That very precise
positional awareness
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is essential for reconstructing
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an accurate three-dimensional
model of the property.
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We're interested to find out
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whether the results will bear
out anything anomalous.
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PETE: Well, I'm ready
when you guys are.
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ERIK: Great. We need to get back
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to the command center
to work on some stuff.
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Maybe we'll just
leave you to go at it.
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Yeah, I've got all my stuff
here, so I'll just have at it.
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Okay, well, if it's all right
with you I'll stick around.
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I don't like leaving guests
out here by themselves.
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So, if you're okay with some
company, I'll stay with you.
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- I... I appreciate it. Thank you, sir.
- Okay, happy to.
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All right. Well, we'll
load up and head back.
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PETE: So, once all the
data I've collected
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is post-processed in a nice,
neat package, I hand that
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to Erik, and he does the
heavy lifting, and that is
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spending hours and hours
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going through this data,
because it's all visual.
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All right, I've got
all green lights here.
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Spinning up.
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♪
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Literally it comes down to
putting eyes on the model
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and looking for anything
interesting.
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Have a look.
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BRYANT: That's so cool.
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That's amazing.
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TRAVIS: While Pete was conducting
his photogrammetry scan
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of the ranch, I went
to my trailer
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to have a videoconference with
author and renowned astronomer
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Seth Shostak.
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Hello, Seth. How you doing?
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- Travis, good to see you.
- It's been a while.
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Uh, I wanted to catch
up with you and...
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Now, Seth is the senior
astronomer
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for the institute known as SETI.
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Which stands for the Search
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for Extraterrestrial
Intelligence.
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I wanted to talk to him
about the mysterious
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1.6 gigahertz signal
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that we've been
detecting on the ranch,
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which I believe could be some
kind of communication signal.
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As you know, I'm
out here as part
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of this investigation
of Skinwalker Ranch.
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And we're actually finding
some really weird stuff.
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We're finding optical phenomena
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and all sorts of different
regimes of energy.
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And even a strange RF
signal at 1.6 gigahertz.
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And what I wanted to ask you
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is, if I found a
signal that I thought
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was an intelligent
communication,
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what protocols
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SETI would use
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in a situation like that?
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Uh, to start, you know,
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verifying, validating
and reporting?
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Well, there is a protocol.
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In fact, I was the chair
of the, uh, committee
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that revised those protocols
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about five years ago.
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First thing is, if you pick
up a signal that
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you think might be ET, you
want to make sure it isn't
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a telecommunications satellite,
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it isn't the radar down
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at a local airport
or anything like that.
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The second thing you do
is, you tell everybody.
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You would want to do that
because you want people
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at other facilities
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to check out the signal, too.
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I see.
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So, let me ask you a question.
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Say we have confirmed
an optical, uh... signal.
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And it's repeatable.
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If you go through
the process and you...
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rule out all of the...
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potential, uh, logical culprits.
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The microwave
oven, an airplane...
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a-a satellite, you know,
those types of things.
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What would be your next
step in, in, uh, verifying?
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Well, as to say, uh, you
know, you're really critically
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dependent on
being able to verify
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the signal at some
other facility.
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So, you would insist on
finding it somewhere else.
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Right.
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All right, Erik.
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She's about to broadcast it.
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Seth's suggestion
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that we would want confirmation
of the 1.6 gigahertz
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communication signal at
another location struck me
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because that's exactly
what happened a month ago
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at the Jack FM radio station
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about 11 miles north
of Skinwalker Ranch.
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After the station manager
and DJ, Jenn Rook,
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told me and Erik that the
same kind of signal had
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infiltrated their airwaves, we
decided to see what
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would happen if she
broadcast it back out.
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- There it is.
- Wow.
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It really changed her
waveform big-time.
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Well, the next day, Jim Morse
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showed us some incredible
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videos of UAPs that
were recorded
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by people in the area
later that night.
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ERIK: Jim, When
was this video taken?
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Last night, about 8:00 p.m.
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- Really?
- TRAVIS: That's just a few hours
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after we played that
sound on the radio, Erik.
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No kidding.
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Well, it sounds
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as if the signal
you're picking up is
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generated locally, right?
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That there's something in
your immediate area
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that is producing this signal.
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Is that kind of what
you're suggesting here?
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Yep.
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So imagine,
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you know, an
advanced civilization
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wanted to communicate
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in real time,
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what type of phenomenology
or telltale signs
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might SETI look for?
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If it's really coming from
another society,
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it would be in one direction.
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And that's kind of the clue,
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that you would see it coming
from that direction on the sky.
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I think that's exactly what
I wanted to hear, Seth.
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It was interesting how Seth, a
highly accredited scientist
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who researches the
potential for ET life,
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believed the type of
communication signal
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we've detected would come from
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a specific direction,
because that's
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exactly what
happened on the ranch.
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Go back the other way.
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Five weeks ago, when we detected
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the 1.6 gigahertz signal,
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it came from a specific spot.
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It's coming back. Right
there, right there, stop.
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Where we had just launched a
rocket near Homestead Two.
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- So it's very directional.
- Yeah.
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Are you kidding me?
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And then, later that night,
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Erik recorded an incredible UAP
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moving around the homestead.
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We can't be for sure if that
communication signal
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we've detected was what led
to the UAP appearing,
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or if it represents
more evidence
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that portals could really exist
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on Skinwalker Ranch,
but talking with Seth
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just makes me more convinced
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that we are getting
closer to some answers.
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That helps me a lot.
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I really appreciate it.
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Well, any time, Travis. You
know, it's always my pleasure
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- to speak with you.
- Yeah, me, too, man.
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If we do find something
and we need to get someone
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out here to verify,
uh, I'll give you a call.
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- Thanks, Travis.
- Uh-huh.
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Buh-bye.
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BRYANT: Howdy, Erik.
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- Hey.
- How's it going, Erik?
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That's a pretty picture of the
mesa that you got there, Erik.
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Oh, you, you are
gonna enjoy this.
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TRAVIS: The day after Pete
Kelsey conducted
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his photogrammetry
scan of the ranch,
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he sent Erik all of
his compiled data files
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for us to review.
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ERIK: Well, I've got only
about a billion data points.
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Of course this comes out of
Pete Kelsey's recent survey work.
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This is a
three-dimensional model.
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It's point-cloud data.
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What it is, is
individual points that
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have been located
through a complex algorithm
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coming out of all
these thousands
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of pictures that he's taken.
So you take all those images,
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you stitch them together and
you get a three-dimensional
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- model. Oh, yeah.
- That's incredible.
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Yeah, so, I've
been diving into this.
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And turns out there are some
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very interesting
artifacts showing up.
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- Whoa! I just saw one.
- You might. Did you see it?
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- Yeah. In the sky.
- Okay.
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- KALEB: Oh. Right there.
- ERIK: Yes!
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- TRAVIS: Oh, weird.
- ERIK: Yes.
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THOMAS: That looks
like that's a whole
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- bunch of points right there.
- Oh, it is.
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Well, what would cause it to
do that if that's up in the air?
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That's the question.
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Look at this structure.
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This phantom structure
that's sticking up in the sky.
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- TRAVIS: This is odd. I got to tell you...
- ERIK: There it is.
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TRAVIS: Wow, that thing is
really prominent from here, it's like,
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- it's a... some sort of big feature.
- ERIK: Yeah.
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ERIK: You know, it looks more
than a hundred feet in the air.
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That's nuts.
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ERIK: One way of
interpreting this is to say
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that the drone did not,
uh, properly register
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its correct GPS position
when it took the pictures.
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- Were you thinking that?
- I was, I was about to suggest
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that we've had such
trouble with those drones
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and their GPS
coordinates being spoofed,
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- hacked or jammed.
- ERIK: Yes. Yes.
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What if it thought it was
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somewhere else when
it took those pictures?
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- But you've got tens of positions.
- ERIK: Correct.
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TRAVIS: That-that
should cancel itself out.
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Well, you'd have to have
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a lingering condition
in that space
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that causes some
sort of displacement,
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some phantom displacement
of the reckoned position,
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the measured position
of the drone in the sky.
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TRAVIS: What's so strange
here is, if the GPS
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was being spoofed for
the whole survey,
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the final photogrammetry
image would be a big blur.
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That's not what's
happening at all.
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This one specific spot over
the ranch is confusing
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the photogrammetry data and
confusing it from a number
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of different angles, which
makes me think there's
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something really strange
about this particular area.
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ERIK: Another interpretation
might be if you did have some kind
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of translucent effect
or object in the sky,
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then I suppose it
might also cause
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the algorithm to
perceive those pixels,
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whose color comes
from the ground, as being
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you know, somewhere
else, up in the air.
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Has Pete seen this
before? Did you ask him?
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That's the other important
point. I've connected with Pete
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and I've also spoken with the,
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the vendor of this software,
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asking, "Is this common?"
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And the answer that
I've gotten is, "No."
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Really?
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This is not a common thing
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in the terrestrial
surveys like this.
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Are there any other
areas in his survey
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that have this sort
of artifact to them?
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Yes.
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I want to show you
something at another location
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that we've visited that
is part of this survey.
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- Okay.
- Okay?
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TRAVIS: This is right above
the petroglyph area, right?
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- THOMAS: Yes.
- It is.
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Just on the edge
of our property.
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- TRAVIS: Right.
- ERIK: And you'll recognize
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- the stone circle here.
- TRAVIS: Yeah.
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ERIK: And the feature
that I want to show you
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is actually very close
to this stone circle.
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- See what's hap... there you go.
- BRYANT: Oh, there you go.
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Right there.
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ERIK: So let me spin us around.
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- I noticed a couple things here.
- Well, now look at this.
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ERIK: And-and you may
observe the same thing I have.
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TRAVIS: Yeah, so
line those two up,
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and where are they pointing?
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ERIK: This
feature, this artifact,
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the largest stone that was
part of the, of the stone circle
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and that prominent
thing that's jetting up,
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you know, further to the south.
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You have three points in a line.
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THOMAS: Wow.
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ERIK: Interestingly and
somewhat mysteriously,
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the anomalies to the
south and to the north
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of the stone circle
align perfectly
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with that large center
stone in the stone circle itself.
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Could be a coincidence,
but it sure is suggestive.
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- What are the odds of that?
- ERIK: Right.
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We've learned not to ignore
any anomalous features
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in our data even if we have
no idea what to make of them.
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TRAVIS: So that, to me,
seems like you've almost
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drawn a ray from
the other anomaly
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- through this stone...
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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To this, this anomaly.
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If we've got a line
being drawn here,
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then what is that
line pointing to?
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What is the line there for?
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We need to mark these spots
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because, you
know, what if this is
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somehow mapping an anomaly
that we need to investigate.
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You remember last year
when we had that expert out,
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he said that the petroglyph
was depicting a portal.
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So, I mean, if we're
getting way out there,
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that pillar's alignment
with it kind of looks like,
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in the data points, a spiraling
thing, portal-type feature.
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That's interesting.
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Last year we had
Dr. Alan Garfinkel
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come out to examine some
petroglyphs we'd discovered
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on the east side of the property
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right by the location
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of this strange aerial
anomaly that we're seeing.
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What I'm looking
at is these curves.
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It's a metaphor for
a serpent or a snake.
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Snakes represents
two different worlds,
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so it's a guardian
to the portals.
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The portal is a window
into the supernatural.
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TRAVIS: Dragon is right about the
petroglyphs near this area,
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but this strange structure in
Pete's photogrammetry data
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is right above a mysterious
spiral of boulders on the mesa.
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I'm thinking there's
definitely something here.
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TRAVIS: And earlier this year, Navajo
expert and historian John Dover
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told us this feature may have
been constructed by ancient
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Indigenous people to represent a
very specific phenomenon.
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JON: Looking at this
place in its entirety,
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it struck me as a holy place.
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We have basically
a spiral right here
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that's been put into
this ground here.
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That spiral is indicative of...?
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A portal, a dimensional
rift, an opening.
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THOMAS: We have so
much data pointing that
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there is something
up in the sky going on.
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And I honestly,
I'm not so sure that
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that petroglyph isn't
telling us that there's
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- something in the sky over the ranch, you know?
- Right.
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Because that's
what it looks like.
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Could Pete Kelsey have actually
captured visual evidence
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that there really are portals
on Skinwalker Ranch?
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And could it help explain
why we see UAPs appear
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and then suddenly disappear?
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Well, we owe it to
ourselves to follow up
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on every data anomaly
that we come across,
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particularly when
they're as prominent
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as the ones we're
looking at here.
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Erik, the data is
absolutely fascinating.
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We need to meet with
Brandon and review this
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and everything else
we've learned this year.
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I think we've just got to do
that and follow up on this data.
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- ERIK: Yep.
- BRYANT: Let's do it.
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- BRANDON: Greetings, everyone.
- ALL: Hey.
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I think everyone would
agree this past year has
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been the most
productive year in history,
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relative to the investigation
at Skinwalker Ranch.
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We launched this
phase of the investigation
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with former Governor Herbert.
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Uh, his interest
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and ongoing
engagement with this effort
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has been an important
part of really elevating
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the formality of this research
and how important it is.
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We also have joining us today,
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investigative journalist
George Knapp.
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Best known as the
leading journalist
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documenting the
reality of not only
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the ranch, but this
type of phenomena.
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I'd like to say, Governor,
by the way, you have
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a really beautiful state, but
it's an awfully weird state.
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[laughter]
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I think today will be a
very eye-opening day
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and briefing for our guests.
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Well, I'm so excited to hear
what you have to tell me,
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and learn from
what's taken place.
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I think it's not only
important for Utah
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to find out what's happening
within our borders, by the way,
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but for America and the world.
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And so what it leads
us to, who knows?
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But I think it's important
that we find out.
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TRAVIS: Yes, absolutely.
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I think the best
thing to do would be,
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uh, let's just start.
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We've done so many experiments,
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captured so much video,
so much measurement data,
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of unidentified
aerial phenomena.
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We've seen so many this summer
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with the various experiments
that we've done and so many
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witnesses and
instruments capturing them
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that it's undeniable that
that's what we have captured.
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ERIK: Um, I do have
footage that I can share.
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I'm going to go ahead
and play it in real time.
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TRAVIS: We had
just launched a rocket
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over Homestead Two
and fortunately we did
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have a camera
looking in that direction.
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- HERBERT: Wow.
- THOMAS: It's unbelievable.
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We saw so many this summer,
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I don't know that
I could remember
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accurately and go back and
count how many there's been.
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TRAVIS: The experiments we
conducted this year led
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to some of the most
compelling and confounding UAP
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incidents ever documented
on Skinwalker Ranch.
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Using rockets, and digging
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to stimulate the activity...
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Whoa! What was that?
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UAPs appeared numerous
times at Homestead Two...
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- Hey, look, UAP right there!
- Yep, I see it.
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And above the triangle area.
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Look in the sky, y'all!
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We've seen a lot of
unidentified aerial phenomena.
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Some that I would
say even qualify
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as unidentified flying objects.
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Erik, if you wanna show
them what it is that we saw.
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You'll notice this bright
object to the center moving
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in a peculiar way and exhibiting
some peculiar characteristics.
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This object, whatever it is,
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appears brighter than Jupiter.
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- HERBERT: It's clearly moving.
- TRAVIS: Yeah, and it is moving
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in a different way than a
satellite would be moving.
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There was no air
traffic in the area.
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And you see no
navigation lights.
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And it actually came toward us,
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and then it made
a dogleg maneuver,
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and then turned to the east.
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BRYANT: We all saw with
the naked eye, this thing.
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I mean, for lack
of a better term,
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it looked almost
like a flying donut.
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I mean, it was bright.
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And then it had a
defined dark center to it.
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BRANDON: This
is a solid structure.
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It was captured from
multiple camera viewpoints.
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And had eyewitnesses
both on and off the ranch.
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HERBERT: It looks
like there's structure to it.
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And large enough
and bright enough
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that you could see
it with the naked eye.
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- Yes. -Easily.
- Sure.
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This one is the
one that I would say
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is not a UAP, that it's a UFO.
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And, Erik has captured an odd
sound emanating from the ranch.
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And we see it almost every time
one of these phenomena occur.
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Hey, hey, hey,
hey, hey, it's here!
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We got that 1.6 thing.
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Erik, are you doing
something at 1.6?
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ERIK: I'm not broadcasting.
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I swear that sounds like
a communication signal.
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We see this
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1.6 or so gigahertz signal
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at times when we don't have
eyes on any kind of UAP, there's just
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some other activity as part
of our investigation going on.
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For example, drilling, digging.
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Could this be a fingerprint?
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Or at least the trace evidence
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of the technology
that is being utilized?
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00:21:29,853 --> 00:21:31,899
That-that is a, uh, possible
speculation, Brandon,
491
00:21:32,029 --> 00:21:34,029
but I would say it's one
of those correlations that
492
00:21:34,075 --> 00:21:36,860
we haven't proved that
they're definitively tied
493
00:21:36,991 --> 00:21:38,708
to each other, but
the statistics are really
494
00:21:38,732 --> 00:21:41,387
getting hard to, uh, ignore.
495
00:21:41,517 --> 00:21:43,780
I've heard these stories
about people that pick up
496
00:21:43,911 --> 00:21:46,392
radio stations on the fillings
in their teeth over the years.
497
00:21:46,522 --> 00:21:48,872
Uh, coming back to
the idea of frequencies,
498
00:21:49,003 --> 00:21:51,266
Lue Elizondo, who
headed the AATIP program,
499
00:21:51,397 --> 00:21:54,400
has indicated that there is a
frequency that they have studied
500
00:21:54,530 --> 00:21:57,054
that pops up again and
again in these military
501
00:21:57,185 --> 00:21:59,883
encounters with what
we'd call UAP or UFOs.
502
00:22:00,014 --> 00:22:04,497
I can tell you, uh, definitively
that the UAPx guys,
503
00:22:04,627 --> 00:22:07,282
they told us specifically
that they were
504
00:22:07,413 --> 00:22:09,415
looking for microwaves,
so I told them,
505
00:22:09,545 --> 00:22:11,504
"Just look between
one and three gigahertz,"
506
00:22:11,634 --> 00:22:13,854
and they came
back to us and said,
507
00:22:13,984 --> 00:22:16,104
"We had a sighting the
other night and you were right.
508
00:22:16,204 --> 00:22:17,901
We picked up something
at 1.6 gigahertz."
509
00:22:18,032 --> 00:22:20,469
- And this was in California.
- Wow.
510
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,951
So, it seems that this
1.6 gigahertz is somehow
511
00:22:24,081 --> 00:22:26,780
- connected to these sightings.
- Yeah.
512
00:22:26,910 --> 00:22:30,087
Well, uh, there's some kind
of electromagnetic effects.
513
00:22:30,218 --> 00:22:32,568
It's always been
associated with the ranch.
514
00:22:32,699 --> 00:22:34,657
Uh, when you think
you're ready to document it,
515
00:22:34,788 --> 00:22:36,703
it goes somewhere
else. It plays tricks on you.
516
00:22:36,833 --> 00:22:39,401
Compasses spin, batteries die,
517
00:22:39,532 --> 00:22:42,839
vehicles crap out,
cameras go off-line.
518
00:22:42,970 --> 00:22:44,754
And whatever this force is,
519
00:22:44,885 --> 00:22:46,756
whatever the source
of the intelligence,
520
00:22:46,887 --> 00:22:48,541
it shows you
that it's in charge.
521
00:22:49,846 --> 00:22:53,720
It reminds me of this
recent experience...
522
00:22:54,982 --> 00:22:57,071
with Dragon and Tom Lewis.
523
00:22:58,899 --> 00:23:02,032
I think it's important for...
524
00:23:02,163 --> 00:23:03,947
Governor Herbert to hear
525
00:23:04,078 --> 00:23:06,297
of your most recent experience,
526
00:23:06,428 --> 00:23:08,082
that literally brought
you to your knees.
527
00:23:14,828 --> 00:23:16,264
THOMAS: Yeah, it was probably,
528
00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:19,136
well, probably the
scariest moment,
529
00:23:19,267 --> 00:23:20,790
you know, personally... I know
530
00:23:20,921 --> 00:23:22,377
- it was for you obviously, Tom.
- Definitely.
531
00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:26,187
Yeah, so this day
we were drilling.
532
00:23:26,317 --> 00:23:28,972
Dragon had this idea,
maybe we should go check out
533
00:23:29,103 --> 00:23:30,623
Homestead Two,
see if there's any weird
534
00:23:30,670 --> 00:23:32,280
readings happening there.
535
00:23:33,934 --> 00:23:37,154
We go down to Homestead Two.
536
00:23:37,285 --> 00:23:39,045
Everything seems normal.
We took instruments.
537
00:23:40,723 --> 00:23:43,291
We'll see if anything
strange pops up and...
538
00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:44,901
- keep in touch with them.
- Yeah.
539
00:23:47,469 --> 00:23:50,341
This doggone thing
is broadcasting.
540
00:23:50,472 --> 00:23:53,127
This thing shouldn't be
broadcasting anything.
541
00:23:54,215 --> 00:23:55,215
Hey, Bryant? Tom?
542
00:23:55,303 --> 00:23:56,609
Do you copy?
543
00:23:56,739 --> 00:23:58,219
Yeah, I got you. Go ahead, Erik.
544
00:23:58,349 --> 00:24:00,221
TOM: Erik came on the
walkie and said,
545
00:24:00,351 --> 00:24:02,310
"Listen to this sound."
546
00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:04,399
We've got an RF
spectrum analyzer,
547
00:24:04,530 --> 00:24:05,922
which is a receiver
548
00:24:06,053 --> 00:24:08,142
that seems to be broadcasting,
549
00:24:08,272 --> 00:24:10,318
instead of just receiving.
550
00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:12,755
Well, just have
a listen at this.
551
00:24:12,886 --> 00:24:14,583
[beeping]
552
00:24:14,714 --> 00:24:16,759
TOM: That sound that
was broadcast over
553
00:24:16,890 --> 00:24:18,544
the radio was a set of beeps.
554
00:24:18,674 --> 00:24:21,938
I heard static and, like,
a roaring train.
555
00:24:25,507 --> 00:24:26,987
Are you okay?
556
00:24:27,117 --> 00:24:28,728
No.
557
00:24:28,858 --> 00:24:31,034
My eyes went black.
558
00:24:31,165 --> 00:24:32,601
I couldn't see.
559
00:24:32,732 --> 00:24:34,385
- And...
- Like you went blind?
560
00:24:34,516 --> 00:24:37,606
Uh, yeah, I was a
little bit conscious still
561
00:24:37,737 --> 00:24:39,869
and so I dropped to the ground
562
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,003
and my whole left arm was numb.
563
00:24:43,133 --> 00:24:46,441
And so, at this
point, I'm scared.
564
00:24:46,572 --> 00:24:48,071
I'm thinking I'm
having a heart attack.
565
00:24:48,095 --> 00:24:50,358
It was, I could,
I could feel him
566
00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:51,857
physically shaking.
I mean, it was...
567
00:24:51,881 --> 00:24:53,492
He's in distress.
568
00:24:53,622 --> 00:24:55,755
It was all I could do
to get him to my truck.
569
00:24:55,885 --> 00:24:57,408
You want to go?
570
00:24:57,539 --> 00:24:58,845
Yeah. Let's go.
571
00:24:58,975 --> 00:25:01,064
[exhales] I can't feel my hand.
572
00:25:01,195 --> 00:25:03,502
You, like, you can't...
you can't feel your hand?
573
00:25:03,632 --> 00:25:05,025
I can't feel my hand.
574
00:25:07,854 --> 00:25:09,682
BRYANT: Do you
have any chest pains?
575
00:25:09,812 --> 00:25:11,292
TOM: No, but
it's hard to keep...
576
00:25:11,422 --> 00:25:13,337
keep my breath, it's...
577
00:25:13,468 --> 00:25:15,209
TOM: And my vision really
didn't come back
578
00:25:15,339 --> 00:25:17,167
until I was off the ranch.
579
00:25:17,298 --> 00:25:20,214
Luckily, Bryant was there,
you know, to help me.
580
00:25:20,344 --> 00:25:22,912
And, uh, what had happened
581
00:25:23,043 --> 00:25:26,176
is my heart, uh,
was skipping beats.
582
00:25:27,351 --> 00:25:29,571
And I had had EKGs before this
583
00:25:29,702 --> 00:25:32,835
and I've never had
this issue before.
584
00:25:32,966 --> 00:25:35,272
And the doctor explained to me
585
00:25:35,403 --> 00:25:38,711
that it, you know, there's
nothing wrong with my heart,
586
00:25:38,841 --> 00:25:42,018
but it was an
electrical problem.
587
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:45,108
- Really?
- And, yeah.
588
00:25:45,239 --> 00:25:48,024
Fortunately, you
know, he's okay but,
589
00:25:48,155 --> 00:25:49,939
I mean, that's, that's
the strange thing is
590
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:52,638
it affects people so
differently and people
591
00:25:52,768 --> 00:25:55,466
are tuned to whatever
energy or frequency, but...
592
00:25:55,597 --> 00:25:58,731
what I find, you know,
interesting and also disturbing
593
00:25:58,861 --> 00:26:01,995
is it occurred, like,
literally right when...
594
00:26:02,125 --> 00:26:04,737
we were hitting the
base of the mesa where
595
00:26:04,867 --> 00:26:07,609
we were trying to see what in
the world is inside that mesa.
596
00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:09,180
And that's when
all hell broke loose.
597
00:26:09,263 --> 00:26:12,440
Which leads me to
think about this material
598
00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:14,747
that we pulled
out of one hole...
599
00:26:14,877 --> 00:26:18,272
while we were drilling
into the side of the mesa.
600
00:26:20,361 --> 00:26:22,121
Boy, that thing sounds
like it's hitting something.
601
00:26:22,145 --> 00:26:23,538
Oh, what the heck is...?
602
00:26:25,192 --> 00:26:26,561
TRAVIS: In an effort to
explore a possible tunnel
603
00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:28,543
or cave system beneath the mesa,
604
00:26:28,674 --> 00:26:31,546
we brought in drilling
expert Aaron Blunt,
605
00:26:31,677 --> 00:26:34,462
who attempted to drill
horizontally into the mesa.
606
00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:36,551
That's when his drill
bit encountered
607
00:26:36,682 --> 00:26:38,727
something hard and
seemingly impenetrable.
608
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,601
We're coming up about
11 inches every ten feet.
609
00:26:42,731 --> 00:26:45,691
So, it sounds like you're
describing kind of a V.
610
00:26:45,821 --> 00:26:48,302
It could even be...
maybe a dome.
611
00:26:51,566 --> 00:26:53,655
TRAVIS: Not only was this hard
object dome-shaped...
612
00:26:53,786 --> 00:26:55,352
What is that?
613
00:26:55,483 --> 00:26:57,354
It also appeared to
be 400 feet wide
614
00:26:57,485 --> 00:26:59,095
- and made out of metal.
- Oh, my.
615
00:27:00,488 --> 00:27:02,292
What did you think it
was when you first saw it?
616
00:27:02,316 --> 00:27:04,797
I wondered if it was like
metal flakes or something.
617
00:27:04,927 --> 00:27:07,843
That's exactly the
same impression I got.
618
00:27:07,974 --> 00:27:10,019
But the biggest surprise
came when we had
619
00:27:10,150 --> 00:27:11,804
a piece of the metal analyzed.
620
00:27:13,327 --> 00:27:15,087
There are material
findings coming out of that
621
00:27:15,111 --> 00:27:17,810
lateral drilling
exercise, surprising.
622
00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:19,550
Completely unexpected.
623
00:27:19,681 --> 00:27:20,769
I have to show you this.
624
00:27:21,988 --> 00:27:24,077
I want to put them
on the table so...
625
00:27:24,207 --> 00:27:26,340
I'm going to pass around
626
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:28,429
a few of the samples
of which we have
627
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,823
many, uh, into the hundreds
628
00:27:30,953 --> 00:27:32,433
that have been
taken out of that what,
629
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,609
five or six-inch diameter hole?
630
00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:37,873
We're talking about a
six-inch hole into the mesa.
631
00:27:38,004 --> 00:27:41,007
We made it back about 420 feet.
632
00:27:42,399 --> 00:27:45,185
These started coming
out as we were well into
633
00:27:45,315 --> 00:27:47,317
the hundreds of
feet into the mesa.
634
00:27:47,448 --> 00:27:49,580
But who knows how much of it
635
00:27:49,711 --> 00:27:51,844
never came back
out of the mountain.
636
00:27:51,974 --> 00:27:54,324
Erik, uh, reached out, uh,
637
00:27:54,455 --> 00:27:56,892
to the local university
here and had them do
638
00:27:57,023 --> 00:27:59,460
an analysis with a scanning
electron microscope and do...
639
00:27:59,590 --> 00:28:03,290
precise elemental analysis
makeup of this material.
640
00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:05,727
The interesting thing about
the analysis that we got:
641
00:28:05,858 --> 00:28:08,425
tellurium is only on one side
642
00:28:08,556 --> 00:28:11,254
and europium, which
is on the other side.
643
00:28:11,385 --> 00:28:14,431
Now, tellurium and
europium are two
644
00:28:14,562 --> 00:28:17,478
of the most rare
materials on the planet.
645
00:28:17,608 --> 00:28:20,655
And it was fused.
646
00:28:20,786 --> 00:28:23,702
Can that happen naturally?
647
00:28:23,832 --> 00:28:25,834
If it were going to
be made on Earth,
648
00:28:25,965 --> 00:28:28,881
it would have to be done
deep under the crust,
649
00:28:29,011 --> 00:28:31,492
miles deep in a
geological process.
650
00:28:31,622 --> 00:28:34,582
There's no volcanic
processes happening there
651
00:28:34,713 --> 00:28:37,193
on the ranch or
in the Uinta Basin
652
00:28:37,324 --> 00:28:39,630
that, uh, that we know of.
653
00:28:39,761 --> 00:28:42,024
The only other natural,
654
00:28:42,155 --> 00:28:45,549
uh, way to create this
would be an asteroid impact.
655
00:28:47,595 --> 00:28:50,990
But what we're missing
from this asteroid is,
656
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,949
uh, we're missing nickel,
we're missing iridium,
657
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,429
we're missing some other things
658
00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:58,040
that would be there
if it were an asteroid.
659
00:28:58,171 --> 00:28:59,520
This bears a lot of resemblance
660
00:28:59,650 --> 00:29:00,434
to things that were
made in a furnace.
661
00:29:00,564 --> 00:29:02,131
As if this is
662
00:29:02,262 --> 00:29:05,221
perhaps an engineered material.
663
00:29:05,352 --> 00:29:07,136
TRAVIS: You remember
the space shuttle tiles
664
00:29:07,267 --> 00:29:09,573
that protected it
from heat on reentry?
665
00:29:09,704 --> 00:29:12,925
This material makeup is
very similar to that ceramic.
666
00:29:13,055 --> 00:29:16,624
- Wow.
- So, Governor Herbert, let me tell you,
667
00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:18,974
we did another,
probably the biggest,
668
00:29:19,105 --> 00:29:21,324
most complicated, most
expensive experiment
669
00:29:21,455 --> 00:29:23,631
that, uh, has ever
been done at the ranch.
670
00:29:33,684 --> 00:29:35,469
We had three laser systems,
671
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:38,080
and we placed them
in a triangular position
672
00:29:38,211 --> 00:29:41,518
pointed up at the anomaly
in the sky over the ranch.
673
00:29:41,649 --> 00:29:43,477
And then we also had
674
00:29:43,607 --> 00:29:45,653
a very large rocket system
675
00:29:45,784 --> 00:29:47,568
uh, so that we
could put a payload
676
00:29:47,698 --> 00:29:50,005
into the anomaly
and have it linger
677
00:29:50,136 --> 00:29:52,181
as the recovery system
brought it back down
678
00:29:52,312 --> 00:29:55,358
with multiple
instruments. Now...
679
00:29:55,489 --> 00:29:57,926
we get ready to
do the launch and...
680
00:29:58,057 --> 00:30:00,122
Brandon, tell them what
happened when we counted down
681
00:30:00,146 --> 00:30:02,365
- and you pushed the button.
- The second that I pushed
682
00:30:02,496 --> 00:30:05,499
the button, it literally
went up and exploded.
683
00:30:07,066 --> 00:30:08,807
Push and hold.
684
00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:16,075
Oh!
685
00:30:16,205 --> 00:30:18,077
How high did it
get... off the ground?
686
00:30:18,207 --> 00:30:19,556
Maybe 30 feet?
687
00:30:19,687 --> 00:30:22,821
- So it immediately blew up?
- Yeah.
688
00:30:22,951 --> 00:30:24,886
Has this ever happened
before? Any of those rockets?
689
00:30:24,910 --> 00:30:26,825
They've never had
one fail like that before.
690
00:30:26,955 --> 00:30:30,393
So, it's like somebody was
trying to keep us from getting
691
00:30:30,524 --> 00:30:32,831
the instruments into the
place we want to put it.
692
00:30:34,397 --> 00:30:38,619
So thank heavens we were
ready with other rockets.
693
00:30:38,749 --> 00:30:40,708
- Yes.
- To continue the experiment.
694
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:42,841
Do you have that second launch?
695
00:30:42,971 --> 00:30:45,931
So this is, in fact, the
footage of that launch,
696
00:30:46,061 --> 00:30:49,369
as seen by one of our
surveillance cameras.
697
00:30:54,591 --> 00:30:57,116
This takes place
at exactly the place
698
00:30:57,246 --> 00:30:59,161
where we've had so many
unusual things happen.
699
00:30:59,292 --> 00:31:01,009
- Is that the triangle?
- ERIK: That is the triangle.
700
00:31:01,033 --> 00:31:02,730
Yes.
701
00:31:02,861 --> 00:31:05,124
Erik was in the command center
702
00:31:05,254 --> 00:31:07,387
and saw something.
703
00:31:07,517 --> 00:31:09,563
ERIK: Hey, Travis, you copy?
704
00:31:09,693 --> 00:31:11,826
TRAVIS: Yeah, Erik, go ahead.
705
00:31:11,957 --> 00:31:14,077
If Brandon is nearby, can
you bring him in real quick?
706
00:31:15,656 --> 00:31:17,092
TRAVIS: We'll be right there.
707
00:31:17,223 --> 00:31:19,878
Travis, you've got to see this.
708
00:31:20,008 --> 00:31:21,836
- Okay.
- Well, there's the lasers.
709
00:31:21,967 --> 00:31:24,367
- Yeah, I'm doing instant playback. You see this?
- Oh! Yeah.
710
00:31:26,188 --> 00:31:28,974
- Wow.
- What the crap is that?
711
00:31:29,104 --> 00:31:32,542
This is through the lens
of a camera that is tasked
712
00:31:32,673 --> 00:31:34,370
with surveying the skies.
713
00:31:35,981 --> 00:31:38,461
And I'll draw your attention
to this part of the screen.
714
00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:43,205
Clearly we have an object.
Something luminous moving
715
00:31:43,336 --> 00:31:47,253
towards the apex of that
configuration of lasers being
716
00:31:47,383 --> 00:31:49,516
broadcast upward
from the triangle.
717
00:31:49,646 --> 00:31:52,867
TRAVIS: And it just, I
mean, it just goes away.
718
00:31:52,998 --> 00:31:54,825
- Yeah.
- Wow.
719
00:31:54,956 --> 00:31:58,220
It's important to note
that during this day,
720
00:31:58,351 --> 00:32:01,180
the entire airspace
721
00:32:01,310 --> 00:32:04,270
not only above the ranch,
but in the general area
722
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,968
within the Uinta
Basin was restricted.
723
00:32:07,099 --> 00:32:09,101
Clearly, there's
no strobe on this,
724
00:32:09,231 --> 00:32:11,930
but beyond that, the aircraft
transponder data receiver
725
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:15,020
that we have at the
ranch indicated no aircraft
726
00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:17,152
at that location.
727
00:32:17,283 --> 00:32:19,938
It's unexplained.
What is the theory
728
00:32:20,068 --> 00:32:22,288
of what the
explanation could be?
729
00:32:22,418 --> 00:32:24,377
Well, what if
some of the stories
730
00:32:24,507 --> 00:32:28,076
that we keep hearing about,
uh, from the ancient Native tribes,
731
00:32:28,207 --> 00:32:30,513
in petroglyphs that...
From all different kinds of
732
00:32:30,644 --> 00:32:32,448
folks that have been
to the ranch, that there's
733
00:32:32,472 --> 00:32:35,562
a portal access on the ranch.
734
00:32:35,692 --> 00:32:38,782
What if that's true? It
could be what we just saw!
735
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,700
This may be a
particular point of interest
736
00:32:43,831 --> 00:32:47,139
for a wormhole or a
stargate, some type
737
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:49,271
of interstellar interaction?
738
00:32:49,402 --> 00:32:52,796
One of the stories that's
been told from the Sherman
739
00:32:52,927 --> 00:32:55,408
and Bigelow era that caught
the attention of the DIA...
740
00:32:55,538 --> 00:32:56,931
The Defense
Intelligence Agency...
741
00:32:57,062 --> 00:32:58,759
Was about a hole in the sky.
742
00:32:58,889 --> 00:33:00,500
Call it a portal.
743
00:33:02,197 --> 00:33:04,591
The rancher would see
these things open up,
744
00:33:04,721 --> 00:33:06,767
it's dusk here, it's
afternoon over there.
745
00:33:06,897 --> 00:33:08,377
It's like you're looking in
746
00:33:08,508 --> 00:33:10,466
through a hole in the
sky to another place.
747
00:33:12,251 --> 00:33:14,470
And he would report
things coming in and out.
748
00:33:14,601 --> 00:33:17,691
Uh, craft coming in and out
from that reality to this reality.
749
00:33:19,780 --> 00:33:22,304
Well, you just referenced
an anecdotal experience,
750
00:33:22,435 --> 00:33:25,090
one from a credible scientist,
751
00:33:25,220 --> 00:33:27,962
but no visual evidence
to accompany that.
752
00:33:28,093 --> 00:33:31,009
Here we have
potential visual evidence
753
00:33:31,139 --> 00:33:34,447
of some type of
interstellar activity
754
00:33:34,577 --> 00:33:38,016
focused on the ranch,
some type of interaction
755
00:33:38,146 --> 00:33:41,019
that is not explained by
any conventional means.
756
00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:42,455
Never seen it before.
757
00:33:42,585 --> 00:33:45,023
I-I've never seen
anything like it before.
758
00:33:47,155 --> 00:33:49,157
And, Brandon, this next
one, you have yet to see
759
00:33:49,288 --> 00:33:50,985
because it just happened to us.
760
00:33:51,116 --> 00:33:54,641
- Really?
- Yeah, it is so bizarre.
761
00:33:54,771 --> 00:33:57,383
I think it would be a good idea
to get everyone's eyes on this.
762
00:33:57,513 --> 00:33:59,385
- Absolutely.
- Please, let's do.
763
00:34:01,082 --> 00:34:02,538
ERIK: This is a
three-dimensional model
764
00:34:02,562 --> 00:34:05,739
of Pete Kelsey's
recent survey work.
765
00:34:05,869 --> 00:34:08,872
Pete scanned the entire
mesa, and look at this structure.
766
00:34:10,918 --> 00:34:14,356
HERBERT: Wow. Incredible.
767
00:34:14,487 --> 00:34:16,228
Wow!
768
00:34:17,925 --> 00:34:20,580
This looks like a solid
structure in the sky.
769
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:22,408
ERIK: Yes.
770
00:34:22,538 --> 00:34:25,106
This object, whatever it is,
771
00:34:25,237 --> 00:34:27,543
uh, it's really fascinating.
772
00:34:27,674 --> 00:34:30,503
What are we looking at?
We don't know at this point.
773
00:34:30,633 --> 00:34:33,549
Well, we need to
talk about the reality
774
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,639
of what we're dealing
with in this investigation.
775
00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:40,382
Based on all of these
combined events,
776
00:34:40,513 --> 00:34:42,428
how do we move forward?
777
00:34:49,609 --> 00:34:52,742
Based on all of these
combined events,
778
00:34:52,873 --> 00:34:57,095
all of this data, if we are
truly being led by the data,
779
00:34:57,225 --> 00:35:02,230
and what we have documented,
how do we move forward?
780
00:35:02,361 --> 00:35:07,105
What are our next steps as a
team here at Skinwalker Ranch?
781
00:35:07,235 --> 00:35:11,196
TRAVIS: Well, what we can
say is perhaps one of the most
782
00:35:11,326 --> 00:35:14,634
amazing treasures
might be under that mesa,
783
00:35:14,764 --> 00:35:17,202
but it might also
be amazingly fragile.
784
00:35:17,332 --> 00:35:20,988
And we don't want to
destroy whatever it is,
785
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:23,947
by willy-nilly
going in and-and...
786
00:35:24,078 --> 00:35:26,863
- and stomping our feet around.
- ERIK: Yeah, and exactly
787
00:35:26,994 --> 00:35:29,605
as Travis has explained,
we should probably take
788
00:35:29,736 --> 00:35:32,608
a forensic approach to
look at this as a biopsy.
789
00:35:32,739 --> 00:35:35,698
Uh, you know, we
conduct the research, uh...
790
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:38,223
very carefully, because
we don't want to destroy
791
00:35:38,353 --> 00:35:41,182
the very thing we are
attempting to get eyes on.
792
00:35:41,313 --> 00:35:43,663
So obviously we can't come in
793
00:35:43,793 --> 00:35:46,361
recklessly and blast the side
794
00:35:46,492 --> 00:35:47,904
- of the mesa.
- TRAVIS: Absolutely. -Yeah.
795
00:35:47,928 --> 00:35:49,538
Whatever we do must be
796
00:35:49,669 --> 00:35:52,411
surgical, well-planned
and precise.
797
00:35:52,541 --> 00:35:55,327
Is there any way
798
00:35:55,457 --> 00:35:57,285
to discover what's
inside the mesa,
799
00:35:57,416 --> 00:35:59,287
short of excavation?
800
00:35:59,418 --> 00:36:01,463
Is there some kind of sonar,
801
00:36:01,594 --> 00:36:03,726
microimaging that we can,
802
00:36:03,857 --> 00:36:05,859
you can actually
X-ray the mountain?
803
00:36:05,989 --> 00:36:08,514
We have used, uh,
ground-penetrating radar
804
00:36:08,644 --> 00:36:11,343
to the best of our
ability right now.
805
00:36:11,473 --> 00:36:15,085
Uh, we are pursuing some,
uh, space capabilities that
806
00:36:15,216 --> 00:36:17,827
are just now, new
technologies coming online.
807
00:36:17,958 --> 00:36:19,873
Maybe in the next year or so.
808
00:36:20,003 --> 00:36:23,355
You know, there's another
thing that we need to follow up on.
809
00:36:23,485 --> 00:36:26,401
We have discovered there
is some sort of anomaly
810
00:36:26,532 --> 00:36:28,795
over the ranch in
a certain location
811
00:36:28,925 --> 00:36:31,232
that is between
3,000 and 5,000 feet
812
00:36:31,363 --> 00:36:34,061
in altitude above the triangle.
813
00:36:34,192 --> 00:36:36,150
If this is a...
atmospheric anomaly
814
00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:38,413
or a gravitational anomaly,
815
00:36:38,544 --> 00:36:41,677
- I think we just got to follow up on this data.
- Absolutely.
816
00:36:41,808 --> 00:36:44,941
BRANDON: I think everyone
would agree that we move forward
817
00:36:45,072 --> 00:36:48,336
having a multidisciplinary,
diverse approach
818
00:36:48,467 --> 00:36:51,600
to really tackling this
problem set and taking the data
819
00:36:51,731 --> 00:36:55,822
that drives us in
the right direction
820
00:36:55,952 --> 00:36:58,738
to uncover the secret
of what lies on this ranch,
821
00:36:58,868 --> 00:37:01,349
both above and below.
822
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,047
GEORGE: Well, I mean,
here's the significance for me.
823
00:37:04,178 --> 00:37:06,311
You guys set up an experiment
824
00:37:06,441 --> 00:37:08,878
where you have
witnesses there gathered
825
00:37:09,009 --> 00:37:10,619
to conduct this experiment
826
00:37:10,750 --> 00:37:12,360
and hopefully
generate a response.
827
00:37:12,491 --> 00:37:13,946
You don't know what
the response is gonna be.
828
00:37:13,970 --> 00:37:15,668
You don't know if
there will be a response.
829
00:37:15,798 --> 00:37:17,583
And you get a response
and you document it.
830
00:37:17,713 --> 00:37:21,935
It appears we are
triggering contact...
831
00:37:23,284 --> 00:37:25,678
in some way,
shape or form and...
832
00:37:25,808 --> 00:37:28,594
it is manifesting itself
833
00:37:28,724 --> 00:37:31,553
above the ranch in
a very profound way.
834
00:37:31,684 --> 00:37:34,556
We're dealing with forces.
835
00:37:34,687 --> 00:37:37,690
We're dealing with phenomena
836
00:37:37,820 --> 00:37:40,736
that redefines not only
837
00:37:40,867 --> 00:37:43,957
our vision of reality but
potentially even history itself.
838
00:37:45,785 --> 00:37:48,222
Is Skinwalker Ranch really
839
00:37:48,353 --> 00:37:51,486
at the center of a lot
of interesting things
840
00:37:51,617 --> 00:37:53,812
- that are now being brought forward?
- HERBERT: Yes, but...
841
00:37:53,836 --> 00:37:56,622
it doesn't seem to be
restricted just to Utah.
842
00:37:56,752 --> 00:37:58,752
- This is country-wide, worldwide?
- BRANDON: Yeah.
843
00:37:58,841 --> 00:38:01,191
GEORGE: Well, for
the last four years,
844
00:38:01,322 --> 00:38:03,411
the whole world has
been on a UFO binge.
845
00:38:03,542 --> 00:38:05,979
We've had major media
coverage taking it seriously
846
00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:07,415
for the first time maybe ever.
847
00:38:07,546 --> 00:38:09,591
Congress has dug in.
848
00:38:09,722 --> 00:38:11,854
They want to fund a
permanent investigation.
849
00:38:11,985 --> 00:38:13,705
A program that would
look into these things.
850
00:38:13,813 --> 00:38:15,728
And all of this stuff
is traced directly
851
00:38:15,858 --> 00:38:16,990
back to Skinwalker Ranch.
852
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,819
If not for a DIA scientist
853
00:38:19,949 --> 00:38:21,647
visiting the property back
854
00:38:21,777 --> 00:38:24,171
in 2007 and having
an experience,
855
00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:26,347
there would not have
been an AAWSAP program,
856
00:38:26,478 --> 00:38:28,610
there would not have
been an AATIP program,
857
00:38:28,741 --> 00:38:30,743
and the whole world would
not be on this UFO binge
858
00:38:30,873 --> 00:38:33,069
that it's on right now. We don't
know where it's gonna lead,
859
00:38:33,093 --> 00:38:35,053
but at least we've dragged
it out of the dark ages
860
00:38:35,182 --> 00:38:37,750
and made this topic a
little more respectable
861
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,883
for Congress, for media,
for scientists to investigate.
862
00:38:41,014 --> 00:38:43,059
It all stems back to the ranch.
863
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:45,410
Well, Brandon, let me just
say, you know, I was here
864
00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:48,326
at the beginning 12
weeks ago, and now I'm...
865
00:38:48,456 --> 00:38:49,738
I've returned and
you're reporting.
866
00:38:49,762 --> 00:38:51,720
And all I can say is
867
00:38:51,851 --> 00:38:53,505
the phenomena is
just overwhelming.
868
00:38:54,897 --> 00:38:56,440
I'm very excited
about the next chapter.
869
00:38:56,464 --> 00:38:58,814
Uh, I think you've got momentum,
870
00:38:58,945 --> 00:39:00,773
uh, I again like Dr. Taylor
871
00:39:00,903 --> 00:39:03,123
talking about this should
be a scalpeled approach.
872
00:39:03,253 --> 00:39:05,473
Erik, you've mentioned
how we've got to be careful
873
00:39:05,604 --> 00:39:07,736
about what we're doing
here so we don't damage
874
00:39:07,867 --> 00:39:11,044
- the information we'll find.
- GEORGE: Very much so.
875
00:39:11,174 --> 00:39:14,308
You guys have made breakthroughs
on so many different, uh, bases,
876
00:39:14,439 --> 00:39:16,615
and, uh, I can't wait to
see what comes next.
877
00:39:16,745 --> 00:39:19,357
BRANDON: Well, thank you,
Governor, for your time and attention.
878
00:39:19,487 --> 00:39:22,403
- And thank you, George, for joining us.
- Glad to be here.
879
00:39:22,534 --> 00:39:26,276
I want to thank everyone at
this table for your sacrifice,
880
00:39:26,407 --> 00:39:28,583
for your professionalism,
881
00:39:28,714 --> 00:39:32,152
for your talents,
your expertise.
882
00:39:32,282 --> 00:39:36,417
We are, uh, opening new
doors, new paths to explore.
883
00:39:36,548 --> 00:39:39,333
I look forward to
the path ahead.
884
00:39:39,464 --> 00:39:41,379
And, uh, we'll be in touch
885
00:39:41,509 --> 00:39:43,293
with you regarding next steps.
886
00:39:43,424 --> 00:39:44,730
- Thank you.
- KANDUS: All right.
887
00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:46,906
- Thanks, Brandon.
- Thank you.
888
00:39:47,036 --> 00:39:48,995
Thank you, Governor.
889
00:39:49,125 --> 00:39:50,725
- George. Yeah, yeah.
- Good to meet you.
890
00:39:53,086 --> 00:39:56,132
ERIK: We've learned a lot of things
through our work this year.
891
00:39:56,263 --> 00:39:57,960
Piece by piece,
892
00:39:58,091 --> 00:40:00,833
we are continuing to
assemble this puzzle,
893
00:40:00,963 --> 00:40:04,706
showing us that not only is the
ranch phenomenology real,
894
00:40:04,837 --> 00:40:09,885
but we seem to be
interactively engaging it.
895
00:40:10,016 --> 00:40:12,758
THOMAS: I'm way past
the point of no return.
896
00:40:12,888 --> 00:40:14,455
I've had too many
things happen to me
897
00:40:14,586 --> 00:40:16,631
on the ranch not to continue.
898
00:40:16,762 --> 00:40:19,634
It seems like the stakes
have risen,
899
00:40:19,765 --> 00:40:23,072
so at this point we have
to push forward.
900
00:40:23,203 --> 00:40:25,423
We have to get answers.
901
00:40:27,163 --> 00:40:29,315
GEORGE: I've seen things today
that I never thought I would see
902
00:40:29,339 --> 00:40:32,647
and haven't seen before,
but I'd like to think
903
00:40:32,778 --> 00:40:34,736
that we can figure it out,
I hope we can.
904
00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:36,608
Here's the thing for sure:
905
00:40:36,738 --> 00:40:38,738
you aren't going to
figure it out if you don't try.
906
00:40:40,394 --> 00:40:42,265
TRAVIS: As we wrap up this
year's investigation
907
00:40:42,396 --> 00:40:43,963
at Skinwalker Ranch,
908
00:40:44,093 --> 00:40:46,139
we all feel like we're getting
909
00:40:46,269 --> 00:40:48,663
much closer to finding some
real answers about this place.
910
00:40:48,794 --> 00:40:51,623
I mean, when I first
came to the ranch,
911
00:40:51,753 --> 00:40:53,407
I had never even seen a UAP.
912
00:40:53,538 --> 00:40:55,801
We got something, hold on.
913
00:40:55,931 --> 00:40:56,995
- Look, look, look.
- What is that?
914
00:40:57,019 --> 00:40:58,325
Holy [bleep]!
915
00:40:58,456 --> 00:40:59,935
But we've witnessed
and documented
916
00:41:00,066 --> 00:41:01,676
phenomena up in the sky...
917
00:41:01,807 --> 00:41:03,417
What the hell is
that in the sky?
918
00:41:03,548 --> 00:41:05,201
CHUCK: That thing
is big and spherical!
919
00:41:05,332 --> 00:41:07,595
That has changed my
entire outlook
920
00:41:07,726 --> 00:41:08,988
on what I thought was possible.
921
00:41:09,118 --> 00:41:10,946
And now...
922
00:41:11,077 --> 00:41:12,948
after encountering a
dome-shaped metal object
923
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:14,733
deep inside the mesa,
924
00:41:14,863 --> 00:41:16,996
who knows what it could
ultimately reveal.
925
00:41:17,126 --> 00:41:18,563
Oh, my.
926
00:41:18,693 --> 00:41:20,434
TRAVIS: We owe it to ourselves
927
00:41:20,565 --> 00:41:24,351
and the entire world to figure
out the truth behind this ranch.
928
00:41:24,482 --> 00:41:28,355
BRANDON: It takes courage
to confront these topics.
929
00:41:29,704 --> 00:41:32,881
I believe as we brave
that territory,
930
00:41:33,012 --> 00:41:35,928
as we have the courage
to delve deeper,
931
00:41:36,058 --> 00:41:40,585
both literally and figuratively
into Skinwalker Ranch,
932
00:41:40,715 --> 00:41:43,065
we're going to find
that not only
933
00:41:43,196 --> 00:41:45,111
will we come to an understanding
934
00:41:45,241 --> 00:41:48,854
of the dark forces
that we're interacting with,
935
00:41:48,984 --> 00:41:53,032
but also the nature
of our world, and our reality.
936
00:41:53,056 --> 00:41:55,056
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