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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,871 --> 00:00:03,109 THOMAS: If we were to come in and dig again, 2 00:00:03,133 --> 00:00:04,569 would we get any response? 3 00:00:04,656 --> 00:00:05,936 Where you dig makes a difference. 4 00:00:06,789 --> 00:00:08,573 - [rattling] - [engine stops] 5 00:00:08,704 --> 00:00:10,184 It's got a dead battery. 6 00:00:10,271 --> 00:00:12,838 ERIK: What the actual hell is this? 7 00:00:12,969 --> 00:00:14,642 - You got to get those people out of there. - Okay. 8 00:00:14,666 --> 00:00:16,799 BRYANT: There was a spike at 3400. 9 00:00:16,929 --> 00:00:18,540 Everybody out of here, now. 10 00:00:21,325 --> 00:00:23,936 Erik, are you doing something at 1.6? 11 00:00:24,067 --> 00:00:26,113 I'm not broadcasting. 12 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,307 TRAVIS: That's a communication signal or something. 13 00:00:27,331 --> 00:00:29,725 This is out of the carriage house. 14 00:00:29,855 --> 00:00:31,050 BRYANT: What the hell is that? 15 00:00:31,074 --> 00:00:32,380 You captured a UAP on camera. 16 00:00:34,730 --> 00:00:37,820 NARRATOR: There is a ranch in Northern Utah. 17 00:00:37,950 --> 00:00:40,736 It is considered the epicenter 18 00:00:40,823 --> 00:00:45,132 of the strangest and most disturbing phenomena on Earth: 19 00:00:45,262 --> 00:00:47,656 animal mutilations, 20 00:00:47,743 --> 00:00:50,267 bizarre UFO sightings 21 00:00:50,354 --> 00:00:55,316 and unusual energies that have proven harmful to humans. 22 00:00:55,403 --> 00:00:57,753 For 20 years, the federal government 23 00:00:57,883 --> 00:01:01,061 tried to find answers and failed. 24 00:01:01,191 --> 00:01:04,977 Now a new team of dedicated scientists, 25 00:01:05,108 --> 00:01:08,851 researchers and experts has taken over. 26 00:01:08,981 --> 00:01:12,855 They are determined to solve the mystery and reveal... 27 00:01:16,206 --> 00:01:18,687 The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch. 28 00:01:26,651 --> 00:01:28,871 How's it going, Chris? 29 00:01:28,958 --> 00:01:30,638 - Hey, Kaleb. How's it going? - Good, good. 30 00:01:30,699 --> 00:01:31,763 TRAVIS: To help us with our ongoing investigation 31 00:01:31,787 --> 00:01:33,658 of Skinwalker Ranch, 32 00:01:33,745 --> 00:01:36,183 we've been trying to engage as many people as possible 33 00:01:36,270 --> 00:01:38,141 who took part in the previous operations 34 00:01:38,228 --> 00:01:40,056 over the last two decades. 35 00:01:40,187 --> 00:01:41,884 What's it like coming back? 36 00:01:41,971 --> 00:01:43,712 It's pretty surreal, actually, you know. 37 00:01:43,799 --> 00:01:46,039 It's kind of like being back home a little bit, you know. 38 00:01:47,629 --> 00:01:50,197 TRAVIS: Chris Bartel is a former military officer 39 00:01:50,284 --> 00:01:52,373 who was contracted by Robert Bigelow 40 00:01:52,460 --> 00:01:54,505 and the Defense Intelligence Agency 41 00:01:54,636 --> 00:01:55,917 when they were investigating Skinwalker Ranch 42 00:01:55,941 --> 00:01:57,682 several years ago. 43 00:01:57,769 --> 00:01:59,641 We used to have trouble getting guys like him 44 00:01:59,728 --> 00:02:02,165 to share anything about what they've seen out here. 45 00:02:02,296 --> 00:02:04,559 Well, it's an "it" that's in control. 46 00:02:06,561 --> 00:02:08,365 TRAVIS: But after last week's visit by another former Bigelow employee, 47 00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:10,347 Colonel John Alexander, 48 00:02:10,478 --> 00:02:13,089 and the federal government's report last year 49 00:02:13,176 --> 00:02:15,091 acknowledging the existence of UAPs, 50 00:02:15,178 --> 00:02:17,528 it's like the floodgates have finally opened up. 51 00:02:18,790 --> 00:02:21,358 I know, a couple years ago, I was worried about, you know, 52 00:02:21,489 --> 00:02:23,329 maybe possibly losing a clearance talking about 53 00:02:23,447 --> 00:02:24,859 some of the experiences I had here on the property. 54 00:02:24,883 --> 00:02:26,842 Losing a clearance as far as? 55 00:02:26,929 --> 00:02:28,515 - Like a security clearance? - Right, it was a concern 56 00:02:28,539 --> 00:02:29,366 'cause, you know, I'm still active 57 00:02:29,453 --> 00:02:30,628 in the federal department, 58 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:32,195 I'm still operating and, uh, 59 00:02:32,326 --> 00:02:34,458 now it's more of a mainstream topic, it seems like. 60 00:02:35,677 --> 00:02:37,287 I was a BAASS Security Investigator 61 00:02:37,418 --> 00:02:39,071 for Bigelow Aerospace for Skinwalker Ranch 62 00:02:39,202 --> 00:02:42,336 from the years 2010 to 2016. 63 00:02:42,423 --> 00:02:44,425 BAASS stands for Bigelow Aerospace 64 00:02:44,512 --> 00:02:46,078 Advanced Space Studies. 65 00:02:46,209 --> 00:02:50,213 It was the organization to study UFO phenomena. 66 00:02:50,300 --> 00:02:53,608 This is also during the time of the federal contract, AAWSAP. 67 00:02:53,695 --> 00:02:55,784 AAWSAP stands for Advanced Aerospace 68 00:02:55,871 --> 00:02:58,482 Weapon Systems Applications Program. 69 00:02:58,569 --> 00:03:00,267 I was one of the lead members out here. 70 00:03:00,397 --> 00:03:03,400 I spent lots of time exploring, documenting data 71 00:03:03,531 --> 00:03:05,291 and also safekeeping and protecting the property. 72 00:03:05,315 --> 00:03:07,665 I have a lot of experiences out here. 73 00:03:07,752 --> 00:03:09,730 You know, I lived and breathed this property for six years. 74 00:03:09,754 --> 00:03:11,234 I would love to show you guys 75 00:03:11,321 --> 00:03:13,541 some of the things that I went through 76 00:03:13,671 --> 00:03:15,238 and important aspects of the property. 77 00:03:15,369 --> 00:03:16,935 THOMAS: Well, I'm eager to do that. 78 00:03:17,066 --> 00:03:18,894 I think we throw you in the UTV right here, 79 00:03:19,024 --> 00:03:21,505 and let's start across, because I-I want to hear 80 00:03:21,636 --> 00:03:22,874 - everything that happened. - That sounds, that sounds good. 81 00:03:22,898 --> 00:03:24,116 - Okay. - I appreciate it. 82 00:03:24,204 --> 00:03:27,032 THOMAS: We have this 20-year gap 83 00:03:27,119 --> 00:03:28,991 where Mr. Bigelow owned the ranch 84 00:03:29,121 --> 00:03:31,341 for which we know very little. 85 00:03:31,428 --> 00:03:33,604 I think somebody that spent six years here, 86 00:03:33,691 --> 00:03:35,606 and spent a lot of time during that six years, 87 00:03:35,737 --> 00:03:39,523 is critical and could be crucial to helping us solve 88 00:03:39,610 --> 00:03:41,371 some of the mysteries that are here on the ranch. 89 00:03:41,395 --> 00:03:42,874 CHRIS: Yeah. Right here. 90 00:03:42,961 --> 00:03:44,485 This is the spot. 91 00:03:44,615 --> 00:03:45,747 Let's park here, then. 92 00:03:50,491 --> 00:03:53,929 I find it interesting that you, uh, stop us here. 93 00:03:54,016 --> 00:03:56,714 This is by a place we call the triangle. 94 00:03:58,107 --> 00:03:59,848 Been a place we've done a lot of experiments 95 00:03:59,935 --> 00:04:02,111 and research and had a lot of interesting data. 96 00:04:02,198 --> 00:04:04,853 So, I'm curious, tell me about what you experienced here. 97 00:04:04,940 --> 00:04:09,118 So, October of 2010, we had a pretty good routine 98 00:04:09,249 --> 00:04:10,815 where one guy would do a normal run 99 00:04:10,946 --> 00:04:13,644 through the property to get kind of eyes on what's going on. 100 00:04:13,731 --> 00:04:15,994 That day, the other officer came back, 101 00:04:16,081 --> 00:04:17,953 and he was like, "Hey, I found some big prints 102 00:04:18,083 --> 00:04:19,083 on top of the mesa." 103 00:04:20,608 --> 00:04:22,586 And I'm like, "Okay, let's go take a look at them." 104 00:04:22,610 --> 00:04:24,655 We get to the top of here, and we find these gi... 105 00:04:24,742 --> 00:04:26,962 These pretty good-sized canine prints. 106 00:04:28,529 --> 00:04:30,705 I have photos of those, if you'd like to see them. 107 00:04:30,792 --> 00:04:32,509 - Yeah, I'd love to see those. - CHRIS: Sure. 108 00:04:32,533 --> 00:04:33,988 Here. Take a look at this. You can see here... 109 00:04:34,012 --> 00:04:35,692 Look at those, look how deep those go down. 110 00:04:38,147 --> 00:04:40,236 - KALEB: Look at that. - THOMAS: Oh, my gosh. 111 00:04:40,367 --> 00:04:42,717 So, that's about three feet between step? 112 00:04:42,804 --> 00:04:44,893 CHRIS: Mm-hmm. 113 00:04:45,023 --> 00:04:47,591 And then, we had a couple labs with us. 114 00:04:47,722 --> 00:04:50,855 You can see here in the top corner, the labs' prints. 115 00:04:50,942 --> 00:04:53,007 KALEB: That thing's like four times the size of those. 116 00:04:53,031 --> 00:04:54,031 That's a very big canine. 117 00:04:55,207 --> 00:04:56,905 KALEB: Seeing this picture, 118 00:04:57,035 --> 00:05:00,038 you could tell by both the size and the stride 119 00:05:00,169 --> 00:05:02,432 that we're talking about a very large animal. 120 00:05:02,563 --> 00:05:04,652 It makes me think about the legend of the skinwalker. 121 00:05:06,393 --> 00:05:08,090 The legend of the skinwalker is 122 00:05:08,220 --> 00:05:10,310 that it's an entity that can shape-shift. 123 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,879 Often, the lore is having it go from a wolf to a man. 124 00:05:15,010 --> 00:05:17,969 For whatever reason, this piece of ground 125 00:05:18,100 --> 00:05:20,972 was cursed with the skinwalker. 126 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:24,149 I was here, the other officer was right there, 127 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:26,064 and the dogs were kind of in between us. 128 00:05:26,195 --> 00:05:29,764 And the other officer says, "Chris, stop. I hear something." 129 00:05:29,894 --> 00:05:32,506 And I'll-I'll never forget this, because it has been replaying 130 00:05:32,636 --> 00:05:34,769 in my mind forever since this day. 131 00:05:34,899 --> 00:05:36,945 Out of that ditch, 132 00:05:37,075 --> 00:05:41,036 I hear a God-awful, guttural, howl growl. 133 00:05:42,951 --> 00:05:45,388 And I was, like, frozen for a second. 134 00:05:45,475 --> 00:05:48,086 So was the other officer and the dogs were all alerting. 135 00:05:48,173 --> 00:05:51,133 The animal jumps out of the ravine 136 00:05:51,263 --> 00:05:54,571 over the berm and travels west. 137 00:05:54,658 --> 00:05:57,357 This thing was probably the size of a donkey, black. 138 00:05:57,487 --> 00:05:59,794 Instinctively, the dogs chase after it. 139 00:05:59,924 --> 00:06:00,969 I run after the dogs. 140 00:06:01,099 --> 00:06:02,840 We get around that corner there. 141 00:06:02,927 --> 00:06:04,451 It's-it's gone. 142 00:06:04,581 --> 00:06:05,581 THOMAS: Wow. 143 00:06:07,802 --> 00:06:09,345 I can understand why Chris was hesitant to share 144 00:06:09,369 --> 00:06:11,283 some of these stories. 145 00:06:11,414 --> 00:06:13,155 If I had heard this on day one of the ranch, 146 00:06:13,285 --> 00:06:14,983 I would have dismissed Chris. 147 00:06:15,113 --> 00:06:18,726 But after spending five years here on the ranch, uh... 148 00:06:18,856 --> 00:06:21,119 I-I find myself believing his story. 149 00:06:21,206 --> 00:06:23,533 Did you come back and look for tracks the next day, I imagine? 150 00:06:23,557 --> 00:06:24,837 CHRIS: The next day we came back. 151 00:06:24,949 --> 00:06:26,255 We followed the ditch. 152 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:28,039 We really didn't find any tracks. 153 00:06:28,126 --> 00:06:30,172 But there was an area I found on this mesa slope, 154 00:06:30,302 --> 00:06:32,957 and it led to this open cavity. 155 00:06:33,044 --> 00:06:34,084 Uh, it looked like a cave. 156 00:06:36,004 --> 00:06:37,266 So, I jumped down into it. 157 00:06:37,353 --> 00:06:38,659 I look around, and it's a, 158 00:06:38,789 --> 00:06:40,922 uh, a decent-size open cavity, 159 00:06:41,052 --> 00:06:42,663 but inside the cavern, I pulled out 160 00:06:42,750 --> 00:06:44,926 two old canine traps. 161 00:06:46,884 --> 00:06:48,471 So, anytime somebody says the word "cave" 162 00:06:48,495 --> 00:06:49,931 or "cavern" here, 163 00:06:50,061 --> 00:06:51,387 - it catches our attention. - Right. 164 00:06:51,411 --> 00:06:53,151 - You think it's still there? - Yeah. 165 00:06:53,238 --> 00:06:54,999 - You mind taking us there to it? - Absolutely, let's go. 166 00:06:55,023 --> 00:06:56,372 All right. 167 00:07:02,552 --> 00:07:04,554 TRAVIS: I find it interesting that this DJ said 168 00:07:04,685 --> 00:07:07,209 they were picking up some kind of weird signal. 169 00:07:07,296 --> 00:07:08,839 Yeah, that's the part that got my attention. 170 00:07:08,863 --> 00:07:10,667 You know, normally when you think about a radio station, 171 00:07:10,691 --> 00:07:14,346 you think of them broadcasting but not receiving anything, 172 00:07:14,434 --> 00:07:15,914 so I'm surprised that they're vigilant 173 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,219 to any incoming signals. 174 00:07:18,481 --> 00:07:20,135 Well, I can't wait to hear what they say. 175 00:07:22,746 --> 00:07:25,575 Ranch caretakers Tom Lewis and Kandus Linde 176 00:07:25,706 --> 00:07:28,143 let me and Erik know that a local radio station nearby 177 00:07:28,230 --> 00:07:29,927 reached out to them about 178 00:07:30,014 --> 00:07:31,755 a really strange frequency interference 179 00:07:31,842 --> 00:07:34,976 that's been jamming their system and it sounds 180 00:07:35,063 --> 00:07:38,022 just like what we experienced last week on Skinwalker Ranch. 181 00:07:38,109 --> 00:07:40,068 Hey! hey, hey, hey, hey, it's here. 182 00:07:40,155 --> 00:07:43,245 We've got that 1.6 thing. 183 00:07:43,375 --> 00:07:45,508 During a lot of the experiments we've done 184 00:07:45,595 --> 00:07:48,946 to stimulate different phenomena, including UAPs, 185 00:07:49,077 --> 00:07:52,297 Erik has detected a huge radio frequency energy spike 186 00:07:52,384 --> 00:07:55,431 of 1.6 gigahertz on the spectrum analyzer. 187 00:07:55,562 --> 00:07:58,216 And last week, we detected it after launching a rocket 188 00:07:58,303 --> 00:07:59,609 out by Homestead Two. 189 00:07:59,696 --> 00:08:02,743 - [radio static] - 1.60000. 190 00:08:02,830 --> 00:08:06,703 But this time a mysterious sound came through with it. 191 00:08:06,834 --> 00:08:08,966 - You want to try and listen to it? - ERIK: Yeah. 192 00:08:09,097 --> 00:08:11,186 [radio static, faint squealing] 193 00:08:14,537 --> 00:08:17,801 I swear that sounds like a communication signal. 194 00:08:20,021 --> 00:08:22,110 So, here we are. 195 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,242 So, when we heard that a potentially similar signal 196 00:08:24,373 --> 00:08:25,653 was occurring at a radio station 197 00:08:25,722 --> 00:08:27,985 ten miles away in Roosevelt, 198 00:08:28,116 --> 00:08:30,205 we definitely wanted to meet with the station manager 199 00:08:30,335 --> 00:08:32,947 and DJ, Jenn Rook. 200 00:08:33,077 --> 00:08:35,036 -Hi! -Hey, I'm Travis. 201 00:08:35,166 --> 00:08:36,317 - Hi, I'm Jenn. - Nice to meet you, Jenn. 202 00:08:36,341 --> 00:08:38,126 You, too. 203 00:08:38,256 --> 00:08:40,041 We wanted to see if it could be related 204 00:08:40,171 --> 00:08:41,531 to the strange communication signal 205 00:08:41,651 --> 00:08:43,435 we've detected on Skinwalker Ranch. 206 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:46,700 So, we hear you've been having some weird signals 207 00:08:46,787 --> 00:08:48,112 or interference with your radio station. 208 00:08:48,136 --> 00:08:50,138 Some interference for sure 209 00:08:50,225 --> 00:08:52,401 and just some other weird anomalies that happen. 210 00:08:54,751 --> 00:08:57,014 You're talking about interferences, is it keeping you 211 00:08:57,101 --> 00:08:59,408 from being able to operate at certain times, or...? 212 00:08:59,495 --> 00:09:02,213 - I livestream online, and it keeps it from operating. - TRAVIS: Really? 213 00:09:02,237 --> 00:09:04,544 Like, the online stream was just absolute fuzz. 214 00:09:04,631 --> 00:09:07,416 It was just cutting out everything. 215 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:09,461 It was just such an interruption. 216 00:09:09,592 --> 00:09:12,726 - You couldn't hear the radio station online. - Wow. 217 00:09:12,856 --> 00:09:16,338 So, if I was listening to your station, 218 00:09:16,425 --> 00:09:20,342 and I hear, uh, some kind of a problem, 219 00:09:20,429 --> 00:09:22,102 - JENN: Mm-hmm. - I would expect to hear what? 220 00:09:22,126 --> 00:09:24,128 Static? Strange tones? 221 00:09:24,259 --> 00:09:26,106 Signals that don't belong in your signal stream? 222 00:09:26,130 --> 00:09:27,828 What would I hear? 223 00:09:27,915 --> 00:09:30,961 Uh, I mean, you could probably hear any of that. 224 00:09:31,048 --> 00:09:33,660 - Wow. - You know, we've heard some weird stuff, 225 00:09:33,747 --> 00:09:36,401 and we see weird signals at the ranch 226 00:09:36,488 --> 00:09:38,882 that we can't figure out where they're coming from, 227 00:09:39,013 --> 00:09:41,145 and we've found this one that seems to be repeating 228 00:09:41,276 --> 00:09:44,061 around here all the time, near 1.6 gigahertz. 229 00:09:44,148 --> 00:09:46,368 Travis, can you bring that up and play it? 230 00:09:46,498 --> 00:09:48,457 Yeah. I believe it's this one right here. 231 00:09:48,588 --> 00:09:49,850 Mm-hmm. 232 00:09:49,937 --> 00:09:51,286 [static, squealing] 233 00:09:54,332 --> 00:09:57,771 You know, I've heard something similar to this 234 00:09:57,901 --> 00:09:59,903 along with all of the fuzz that I get 235 00:10:00,034 --> 00:10:01,154 that I know is interference. 236 00:10:02,689 --> 00:10:03,907 - Really? - JENN: Yeah. 237 00:10:04,038 --> 00:10:05,517 There's something not right, 238 00:10:05,648 --> 00:10:08,477 and I've had people look at it and try to fix it, 239 00:10:08,608 --> 00:10:12,133 - but it's a signal that is not supposed to be there. - Wow. 240 00:10:12,220 --> 00:10:14,526 TRAVIS: After we verified that Jenn believed that 241 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:17,399 the 1.6 gigahertz communication signal from the ranch 242 00:10:17,529 --> 00:10:19,793 was very similar to the one 243 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,838 that's been coming through the radio station, 244 00:10:21,925 --> 00:10:23,753 it made both Erik and I think that 245 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,538 maybe we could use it to try to communicate back 246 00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:28,845 to whoever sent it in the first place. 247 00:10:28,976 --> 00:10:32,893 Uh, we couldn't, by any chance, talk you into maybe broadcasting 248 00:10:33,023 --> 00:10:34,982 this strange signal that we've picked up? 249 00:10:35,112 --> 00:10:36,307 - Uh... - And see if we'll detect something 250 00:10:36,331 --> 00:10:38,246 with our instruments when you do. 251 00:10:38,333 --> 00:10:41,249 Are we poking a bear here, or...? 252 00:10:41,379 --> 00:10:43,599 -[laughs] -Well-well, the expression that I use is 253 00:10:43,686 --> 00:10:46,246 one my grandmother taught me and it's "poking the hornets' nest." 254 00:10:46,297 --> 00:10:47,492 - And-and so... - Okay, let's do it. Let's poke that hornets' nest. 255 00:10:47,516 --> 00:10:48,798 Let's see if any hornets fly out, right? 256 00:10:48,822 --> 00:10:49,997 All right, let's do it. 257 00:10:55,829 --> 00:10:57,669 So, we have some equipment outside, in the car, 258 00:10:58,396 --> 00:10:59,678 we'll run out, give us we'll get it set up, 259 00:10:59,702 --> 00:11:01,114 - and running. - Okay. Yeah, let's do it. 260 00:11:01,138 --> 00:11:02,705 So we'll got set up the equipment. 261 00:11:02,792 --> 00:11:04,161 I'll be right back and tell you when we're ready. 262 00:11:04,185 --> 00:11:04,664 - All right, sounds good. - All right. Thank you. 263 00:11:04,751 --> 00:11:06,317 After Jenn Rook, 264 00:11:06,448 --> 00:11:08,842 the station manager at Jack FM, 265 00:11:08,972 --> 00:11:12,106 told us that the 1.6 gigahertz communication signal 266 00:11:12,193 --> 00:11:13,713 that we've detected on Skinwalker Ranch 267 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,197 sounded similar to what's been interfering 268 00:11:16,327 --> 00:11:18,634 with her station's broadcasts, 269 00:11:18,721 --> 00:11:21,028 we convinced her to let us run an experiment. 270 00:11:21,115 --> 00:11:23,030 I'm going to go ahead and start the Jeep 271 00:11:23,117 --> 00:11:25,510 - and tune in to the radio station. - Perfect. 272 00:11:25,641 --> 00:11:28,731 TARVIS: The idea was to play the 1.6 gigahertz signal 273 00:11:28,818 --> 00:11:30,341 over her airwaves... 274 00:11:30,428 --> 00:11:33,040 All right. I got the radio station up. 275 00:11:33,127 --> 00:11:35,085 While Erik and I set up an antenna 276 00:11:35,216 --> 00:11:37,609 with our spectrum analyzer in the parking lot 277 00:11:37,697 --> 00:11:40,047 so we could monitor the broadcast 278 00:11:40,134 --> 00:11:42,702 for anything strange that might happen in response. 279 00:11:42,789 --> 00:11:44,616 All right, I think that's good right there. 280 00:11:44,747 --> 00:11:46,793 All right. 281 00:11:46,923 --> 00:11:49,709 I'm interested in watching the RF spectrum 282 00:11:49,796 --> 00:11:51,580 through our spectrum analyzer. 283 00:11:51,667 --> 00:11:52,775 I got really high hopes that we're going to see 284 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:54,191 something unusual. 285 00:11:54,278 --> 00:11:55,778 So, I'm-a go in and tell her we're ready. 286 00:11:55,802 --> 00:11:57,629 All right. 287 00:11:57,717 --> 00:11:59,675 Hey, Jenn. Yeah, we've got our equipment set up 288 00:11:59,762 --> 00:12:01,633 in the parking lot, so whenever you're okay 289 00:12:01,764 --> 00:12:03,324 to broadcast the signal, we're watching. 290 00:12:03,418 --> 00:12:06,029 - All right. Ready. - All right. Cool. Thanks. 291 00:12:09,598 --> 00:12:12,122 All right, Erik. She's about to broadcast it. 292 00:12:12,253 --> 00:12:14,298 - All right. - JENN: Hey there, everybody. 293 00:12:14,385 --> 00:12:16,345 Just a little interruption in the music right now. 294 00:12:16,431 --> 00:12:18,520 We're doing a few tests here at the studios, 295 00:12:18,650 --> 00:12:19,739 and, uh, you know what? 296 00:12:19,869 --> 00:12:22,045 I'm going to play something here. 297 00:12:22,132 --> 00:12:24,352 And if you've heard this, you can always give me a call 298 00:12:24,482 --> 00:12:25,875 here at the studios 299 00:12:25,962 --> 00:12:27,355 [over radio]: and let me know. 300 00:12:27,442 --> 00:12:28,922 This is just a test, everybody. 301 00:12:31,011 --> 00:12:32,752 [static, crackling] 302 00:12:36,886 --> 00:12:40,020 [frequency crackling] 303 00:12:40,107 --> 00:12:41,935 ♪ ♪ 304 00:12:43,937 --> 00:12:46,374 There it is. 305 00:12:46,461 --> 00:12:50,291 Wow. It really changed the waveform big time. 306 00:12:50,378 --> 00:12:53,033 Look at how the waveforms are reacting to it there. 307 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,078 You see that? Watch right here. 308 00:12:57,733 --> 00:13:01,258 When a FM radio station broadcasts music or anything 309 00:13:01,345 --> 00:13:04,000 over the airwaves, the frequency always has 310 00:13:04,087 --> 00:13:06,916 a constant and uniform pattern. 311 00:13:07,003 --> 00:13:08,700 You shouldn't see any deviation in it 312 00:13:08,788 --> 00:13:10,790 no matter what the sound is. 313 00:13:10,877 --> 00:13:13,488 But as soon as Jenn started broadcasting the sound 314 00:13:13,575 --> 00:13:15,751 from our 1.6 gigahertz signal, 315 00:13:15,838 --> 00:13:17,797 the station's frequency began showing strange, 316 00:13:17,884 --> 00:13:19,407 sporadic spikes. 317 00:13:19,494 --> 00:13:21,148 Now, that shouldn't be possible. 318 00:13:21,278 --> 00:13:23,150 So, it really made us wonder 319 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,543 if our experiment might stimulate 320 00:13:25,630 --> 00:13:28,068 something strange out here in the Basin community. 321 00:13:28,155 --> 00:13:30,244 And, if so, would it be anything 322 00:13:30,374 --> 00:13:32,507 like the phenomena we've seen on Skinwalker Ranch? 323 00:13:35,423 --> 00:13:37,599 This has just been a test, everybody. 324 00:13:37,686 --> 00:13:39,490 Thanks for listening. I'll put you back to the music now. 325 00:13:39,514 --> 00:13:41,516 I'm Jenn Rook. 326 00:13:43,083 --> 00:13:44,538 All right, well, I say we go tell her what we saw. 327 00:13:44,562 --> 00:13:45,694 Yeah. Let's go follow up. 328 00:13:47,174 --> 00:13:49,282 I wonder what the locals thought that was listening to 329 00:13:49,306 --> 00:13:50,501 - the radio station. - Oh, my gosh. 330 00:13:50,525 --> 00:13:51,569 [Erik chuckles] 331 00:13:51,700 --> 00:13:53,397 TRAVIS: Wow. 332 00:13:53,528 --> 00:13:55,704 That was pretty cool. Thank you for that. 333 00:13:55,791 --> 00:13:58,620 Yeah, we, uh, were watching the spectrum 334 00:13:58,750 --> 00:14:02,493 all around your signal and when you were broadcasting, 335 00:14:02,580 --> 00:14:06,193 the, uh, the waveform actually changed. 336 00:14:06,323 --> 00:14:08,978 Normally it has a certain shape, 337 00:14:09,109 --> 00:14:12,590 - Mm-hmm. - And when you started that signal, 338 00:14:12,677 --> 00:14:14,897 it changed to something completely different. 339 00:14:14,984 --> 00:14:16,899 - Hmm. - TRAVIS: It was really odd. 340 00:14:16,986 --> 00:14:19,641 Now, the interesting question is... 341 00:14:19,771 --> 00:14:22,339 - if there's any kind of response... - Oh, yeah. 342 00:14:22,426 --> 00:14:25,386 What form will it take and how will we find out about it? 343 00:14:25,473 --> 00:14:26,711 Yeah, if anybody calls you and says, 344 00:14:26,735 --> 00:14:28,171 "Hey, what was that weird thing?" 345 00:14:28,258 --> 00:14:29,627 Or "I had a headache when that was going," 346 00:14:29,651 --> 00:14:31,522 - you know, or whatever. - JENN: Yeah. 347 00:14:31,609 --> 00:14:32,848 - Okay. - TRAVIS: Especially if someone happens to see 348 00:14:32,872 --> 00:14:35,135 a UFO or UAP, or something strange 349 00:14:35,222 --> 00:14:38,094 in the sky, anything at all, please let us know. 350 00:14:38,181 --> 00:14:41,315 - Okay. - You may be able to provide some information 351 00:14:41,402 --> 00:14:43,317 that's very helpful to our research going on, 352 00:14:43,404 --> 00:14:45,034 - so thank you for accommodating us today. - All right. 353 00:14:45,058 --> 00:14:47,103 - Oh, yeah, anytime. - It was great to meet you. 354 00:14:47,190 --> 00:14:48,750 - You, too. - Yeah. Thank you very much. 355 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,237 JENN: Thanks, guys. 356 00:14:53,327 --> 00:14:56,852 CHRIS: So, it's gonna be in this little area right here, 357 00:14:56,983 --> 00:14:59,202 where I was walking down from the top of the mesa 358 00:14:59,333 --> 00:15:02,031 and I found a cave. 359 00:15:02,118 --> 00:15:04,399 THOMAS: Over the years that I have been here on the ranch, 360 00:15:04,512 --> 00:15:08,037 there's been rampant rumors about underground bases, 361 00:15:08,124 --> 00:15:10,779 of tunnels, all kinds of underground things 362 00:15:10,866 --> 00:15:12,346 here at the ranch. 363 00:15:12,476 --> 00:15:14,957 If there are some, we definitely want to find them. 364 00:15:15,044 --> 00:15:17,699 I just happened to notice it from on top. 365 00:15:17,786 --> 00:15:20,049 Then I-I suggest maybe we just all climb up there 366 00:15:20,136 --> 00:15:21,374 - and see if we can find it. - CHRIS: Yeah. 367 00:15:21,398 --> 00:15:23,270 ♪ ♪ 368 00:15:36,805 --> 00:15:39,068 Hey, I found what looks like to be a cavern. 369 00:15:39,155 --> 00:15:40,417 CHRIS: Let me take a look. 370 00:15:43,594 --> 00:15:45,988 Oh, yeah. 371 00:15:46,075 --> 00:15:48,599 I'm pretty sure this is it, or it-it looks like it. 372 00:15:50,297 --> 00:15:52,864 THOMAS: You can tell that at one time it was a lot larger. 373 00:15:52,952 --> 00:15:55,258 And it's collapsed down in on itself. 374 00:15:55,345 --> 00:15:56,801 CHRIS: You can tell that this whole area 375 00:15:56,825 --> 00:15:58,348 looks like a sunken-in area. 376 00:15:58,435 --> 00:16:00,350 - THOMAS: Like it caved in. Yeah. - CHRIS: Yeah. 377 00:16:00,437 --> 00:16:03,179 It's so strange. 378 00:16:03,310 --> 00:16:07,009 THOMAS: If this is the opening to that cave that Chris found, 379 00:16:07,096 --> 00:16:09,751 did it collapse? Is it still there? 380 00:16:09,881 --> 00:16:12,884 Does it continue back, and it's just covered by rocks? 381 00:16:13,015 --> 00:16:14,930 Definitely a lot of unanswered questions. 382 00:16:15,017 --> 00:16:16,888 There's been one consistent thing I've heard 383 00:16:16,976 --> 00:16:18,823 since I've been here on the ranch for the last five years 384 00:16:18,847 --> 00:16:21,284 and that's there is a system of tunnels 385 00:16:21,415 --> 00:16:22,807 that goes throughout the ranch. 386 00:16:22,894 --> 00:16:26,159 We've got reports of UFO flying into the mesa, 387 00:16:26,246 --> 00:16:27,397 that we have people that think that 388 00:16:27,421 --> 00:16:29,031 there's underground bases here. 389 00:16:29,118 --> 00:16:30,859 We've yet to find it. Who knows? 390 00:16:30,946 --> 00:16:33,775 Maybe this is the entrance or maybe this is a way in, 391 00:16:33,862 --> 00:16:35,516 and, uh, I'm all for figuring out 392 00:16:35,646 --> 00:16:37,605 a safe way to explore this more. 393 00:16:37,692 --> 00:16:40,825 Well, I'm ready to head down if you guys are. 394 00:16:40,956 --> 00:16:43,356 - I appreciate you showing us, Chris. - Hey, no problem, man. 395 00:16:45,569 --> 00:16:47,528 There's multiple layers to this property. 396 00:16:47,658 --> 00:16:50,661 I think what's going on here is bigger than any of us here. 397 00:16:50,748 --> 00:16:53,055 It's bigger than a science experiment. 398 00:16:53,142 --> 00:16:55,101 It's bigger than a government contract. 399 00:16:55,188 --> 00:16:57,146 It's bigger than all of us. 400 00:16:57,233 --> 00:16:59,931 How else can I explain some of this stuff 401 00:17:00,019 --> 00:17:01,411 throughout all those years? 402 00:17:01,498 --> 00:17:03,457 THOMAS: Okay, we got our GPS data. 403 00:17:03,587 --> 00:17:05,198 We know where it's at. 404 00:17:05,285 --> 00:17:06,851 Let's get out of here. 405 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,167 Hey, there's Jim. 406 00:17:19,734 --> 00:17:21,190 - Hello, guys. - ERIK and TRAVIS: Hey, Jim. 407 00:17:21,214 --> 00:17:23,259 - What's going on? - JIM: Good to see you. 408 00:17:23,346 --> 00:17:25,870 The day after Erik and I conducted our experiment 409 00:17:25,957 --> 00:17:28,830 at Jack FM, ranch manager Jim Morse 410 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,354 showed up to share something pretty crazy with us. 411 00:17:31,441 --> 00:17:33,791 Been doing a little outreach. 412 00:17:33,922 --> 00:17:36,446 I had a guy that, uh, sent me some videos. 413 00:17:36,577 --> 00:17:38,622 - TRAVIS: This is local? - This is local. 414 00:17:38,709 --> 00:17:41,103 - Oh. - Yeah, so, maybe I can show you these, 415 00:17:41,234 --> 00:17:43,062 and you can make heads or tails out of them. 416 00:17:43,149 --> 00:17:45,238 What are we looking at here? 417 00:17:45,368 --> 00:17:46,867 - I guess it's these lights right here. - JIM: Mm-hmm. 418 00:17:46,891 --> 00:17:49,894 [indistinct chatter] 419 00:17:49,981 --> 00:17:51,896 TRAVIS: Where did this come from? 420 00:17:51,983 --> 00:17:53,550 Is this from the community nearby? 421 00:17:53,681 --> 00:17:55,354 JIM: Yeah, this is from the community out here in the basin. 422 00:17:55,378 --> 00:17:56,640 - TRAVIS: Uh-huh. - JIM: Um... 423 00:17:56,771 --> 00:17:59,687 I mean, there was people from Moon Lake, 424 00:17:59,774 --> 00:18:01,602 - miles away, that saw the lights. - Really? 425 00:18:01,732 --> 00:18:03,386 Well, you know, looking at that, 426 00:18:03,473 --> 00:18:04,996 first I thought it was stars, 427 00:18:05,084 --> 00:18:06,684 - but look, look, they're moving. - Yeah. 428 00:18:09,349 --> 00:18:10,698 TARVIS: Look at that. 429 00:18:10,785 --> 00:18:12,091 ERIK: Wow. 430 00:18:14,963 --> 00:18:16,791 Jim, when was this video taken? 431 00:18:16,921 --> 00:18:19,141 Last night, about 8:00 p.m. 432 00:18:19,272 --> 00:18:20,792 TRAVIS: Really? That's just a few hours 433 00:18:20,838 --> 00:18:21,752 after we played that sound on the radio, Erik. 434 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:23,058 No kidding. 435 00:18:23,145 --> 00:18:24,451 It definitely stirred up 436 00:18:24,581 --> 00:18:26,235 a lot of interest out here. 437 00:18:26,322 --> 00:18:27,343 Look, and in the next video, they're in 438 00:18:27,367 --> 00:18:28,759 completely different kind of... 439 00:18:28,846 --> 00:18:30,370 - They've moved a bunch. - JIM: Yeah. 440 00:18:30,457 --> 00:18:31,762 TRAVIS: And there's a bunch. 441 00:18:31,849 --> 00:18:33,249 There's, like, four or five of them. 442 00:18:36,202 --> 00:18:37,831 - ERIK: Wow. - TRAVIS: Well, that is interesting. 443 00:18:37,855 --> 00:18:39,161 It's like some kind of formation 444 00:18:39,248 --> 00:18:40,530 of the lights, they're doing something. 445 00:18:40,554 --> 00:18:42,860 Now, if we actually stimulated 446 00:18:42,991 --> 00:18:45,341 these UAP to appear by broadcasting 447 00:18:45,428 --> 00:18:47,343 the sound from our 1.6 gigahertz signal 448 00:18:47,474 --> 00:18:50,477 out to Roosevelt, that's incredible. 449 00:18:50,564 --> 00:18:52,498 They definitely didn't look like any conventional aircraft 450 00:18:52,522 --> 00:18:54,002 I've ever seen. 451 00:18:54,089 --> 00:18:55,656 - It looks like five lights. - Mm-hmm. 452 00:18:55,743 --> 00:18:57,614 What on earth? 453 00:18:57,745 --> 00:18:59,399 They're clearly moving. 454 00:18:59,529 --> 00:19:01,096 They're flying, 455 00:19:01,227 --> 00:19:02,987 and I don't see any airplane navigation lights. 456 00:19:03,011 --> 00:19:04,795 JIM: No, I didn't either. I didn't either. 457 00:19:04,926 --> 00:19:06,295 - ERIK: I couldn't see a single blink. - TRAVIS: Yeah. 458 00:19:06,319 --> 00:19:07,861 - I don't know what that is. - JIM: Yeah. 459 00:19:07,885 --> 00:19:10,149 I got to tell you, though, it's intriguing. 460 00:19:10,236 --> 00:19:12,039 Yeah, I-I want to pick this apart frame by frame. 461 00:19:12,063 --> 00:19:14,457 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Let me take a look at this. 462 00:19:14,588 --> 00:19:16,807 I've never seen a pattern 463 00:19:16,894 --> 00:19:19,680 of this many mysterious lights in the sky, 464 00:19:19,767 --> 00:19:21,160 after any of our activities. 465 00:19:21,247 --> 00:19:22,161 - You know, usually we see one. - One. 466 00:19:22,248 --> 00:19:24,554 Maybe two. But that's pretty... 467 00:19:24,641 --> 00:19:26,315 That's pretty exciting. I don't know what that means. 468 00:19:26,339 --> 00:19:28,993 JIM: Yeah. That's more than a coincidence. 469 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,908 TRAVIS: Seeing these videos was incredible, 470 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:33,346 because it wasn't just multiple UAPs 471 00:19:33,433 --> 00:19:35,304 that appeared at the same time. 472 00:19:35,391 --> 00:19:37,263 They also seemed to be maneuvering 473 00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:39,003 in a coordinated formation. 474 00:19:39,090 --> 00:19:40,353 - [static] - There it is. 475 00:19:40,483 --> 00:19:42,616 Wow. 476 00:19:42,703 --> 00:19:44,724 When we broadcasted our signal at the radio station, 477 00:19:44,748 --> 00:19:47,621 we could see a very definite frequency register 478 00:19:47,708 --> 00:19:50,667 on the spectrum analyzer, as if something was responding. 479 00:19:50,754 --> 00:19:53,844 What I want to know is if these UAP 480 00:19:53,931 --> 00:19:56,369 were also stimulated by our experiment. 481 00:19:56,456 --> 00:19:58,893 Clearly, we now have an investigation 482 00:19:58,980 --> 00:20:01,200 that goes beyond the boundaries of Skinwalker Ranch. 483 00:20:02,288 --> 00:20:03,985 Well, if you get any stuff like this, 484 00:20:04,115 --> 00:20:05,963 - absolutely let us see it. - Okay. Yeah. Thank you. 485 00:20:05,987 --> 00:20:06,901 Especially, you know, getting the date and the time 486 00:20:06,988 --> 00:20:08,946 with it also, that's great. 487 00:20:09,033 --> 00:20:11,253 You guys really stirred the old, uh, hornets' nest up. 488 00:20:11,384 --> 00:20:12,820 Yeah. 489 00:20:12,907 --> 00:20:15,039 Okay, well, if I can borrow this 490 00:20:15,170 --> 00:20:15,779 - long enough to get the video off... - JIM: Yep, absolutely. 491 00:20:15,866 --> 00:20:17,564 Absolutely. 492 00:20:17,651 --> 00:20:19,392 And I'm gonna tear it apart frame by frame. 493 00:20:19,479 --> 00:20:21,394 - [laughs] - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 494 00:20:21,481 --> 00:20:22,177 - I'll get back to the neighbor, okay. - All right. 495 00:20:22,264 --> 00:20:23,613 - Thanks a lot. - Thanks so much. 496 00:20:23,744 --> 00:20:25,069 - I'll get this back to you soon. - Thank you. 497 00:20:25,093 --> 00:20:26,413 - See you later, Jim. - Thank you. 498 00:20:37,366 --> 00:20:38,541 THOMAS: All right. 499 00:20:40,021 --> 00:20:42,589 - Well... - BRYANT: Yup. 500 00:20:42,719 --> 00:20:44,765 This is the area we're looking at. 501 00:20:44,852 --> 00:20:47,246 THOMAS: After our meeting with Chris Bartel, 502 00:20:47,376 --> 00:20:49,030 we brought Jake Huffman out, 503 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,120 who has spent his career building oil well sites 504 00:20:52,207 --> 00:20:55,079 and as part of that, uh, has used a lot of explosives 505 00:20:55,166 --> 00:20:56,864 and done a lot of blasting. 506 00:20:56,951 --> 00:20:59,432 We wanted to get his eyes on the mesa 507 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:01,639 and see if he could tell if this was a natural cave-in 508 00:21:01,695 --> 00:21:04,263 or a purposeful one, and what the best method 509 00:21:04,350 --> 00:21:06,526 for getting into the mesa would be. 510 00:21:06,656 --> 00:21:09,616 Well, about a quarter of the way down from the top, 511 00:21:09,703 --> 00:21:14,360 there's an opening where that little clay slough-off is. 512 00:21:14,447 --> 00:21:17,014 We had a former guard from Bigelow's era 513 00:21:17,145 --> 00:21:19,016 that told us about this large opening 514 00:21:19,103 --> 00:21:21,497 he'd climbed down in, there were some traps and stuff, 515 00:21:21,584 --> 00:21:23,586 but it appeared like it had collapsed in. 516 00:21:23,673 --> 00:21:25,414 And the whole time we've been here, 517 00:21:25,501 --> 00:21:28,199 we've heard reports of these large tunnels 518 00:21:28,330 --> 00:21:30,941 that people can walk clear, clear back in. 519 00:21:31,028 --> 00:21:32,552 - Really? - Uh-huh. 520 00:21:32,639 --> 00:21:34,519 Some underground bases and, I mean, you name it. 521 00:21:34,597 --> 00:21:35,966 We've heard all kinds of crazy things 522 00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:37,121 about this hill. 523 00:21:37,208 --> 00:21:38,819 And we've searched and searched 524 00:21:38,906 --> 00:21:41,604 and haven't found anything that resembles that 525 00:21:41,735 --> 00:21:44,259 until we got to this spot, 526 00:21:44,346 --> 00:21:46,566 and it does appear like there could have been 527 00:21:46,653 --> 00:21:49,351 a large opening that went back and it caved in. 528 00:21:49,482 --> 00:21:51,788 ♪ ♪ 529 00:21:51,875 --> 00:21:53,288 JAKE: I'd like to take a closer look, 530 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:55,270 see if maybe we can see some signs 531 00:21:55,357 --> 00:21:58,229 - of any drilling activity. - THOMAS: Okay. 532 00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:00,014 Go ahead. 533 00:22:00,101 --> 00:22:02,669 We're just gonna go right up here to the base. 534 00:22:06,542 --> 00:22:08,979 Looking at it, do you see anything 535 00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:10,372 that would indicate to you 536 00:22:10,503 --> 00:22:13,723 that this was collapsed on purpose? 537 00:22:13,810 --> 00:22:15,159 JAKE: Actually, yeah. 538 00:22:17,553 --> 00:22:19,816 Usually, if you have a slough, 539 00:22:19,947 --> 00:22:22,950 then you're gonna have material that's built up somewhere, 540 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,475 you know, and I'm not seeing anywhere where... 541 00:22:26,562 --> 00:22:29,260 softer material or mud or anything 542 00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:31,508 - pushed out from underneath it. - That was pushed out? 543 00:22:32,786 --> 00:22:34,178 That's a good point. 544 00:22:34,309 --> 00:22:36,703 - Hmm. - JAKE: That tells me 545 00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:38,661 this was done for a purpose. 546 00:22:41,403 --> 00:22:43,840 I don't know what that purpose would be. 547 00:22:43,927 --> 00:22:46,190 I can't see the rock having a value 548 00:22:46,277 --> 00:22:48,018 as landscaping rocks, or... 549 00:22:49,542 --> 00:22:53,284 I believe at some point there was blasting done, 550 00:22:53,415 --> 00:22:58,551 and perhaps that was done to hide something. 551 00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:03,512 THOMAS: Jake suggests that blasting has occurred in this area, 552 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:07,473 that perhaps the face of this mesa has been collapsed in, 553 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,389 and if so, it makes me wonder, why did they collapse it in? 554 00:23:10,476 --> 00:23:12,173 Was it for safety, to keep people out 555 00:23:12,303 --> 00:23:15,524 of these, uh, tunnels or mines, or whatever they were, 556 00:23:15,611 --> 00:23:17,831 or were they trying to hide something? 557 00:23:17,918 --> 00:23:19,069 We got to talk to Erik and Travis about all this 558 00:23:19,093 --> 00:23:21,400 and see what they think. 559 00:23:21,530 --> 00:23:23,880 THOMAS: We definitely need to investigate it a lot more. 560 00:23:23,967 --> 00:23:25,099 - Yep. - So... 561 00:23:25,229 --> 00:23:27,144 We appreciate your expertise. 562 00:23:27,231 --> 00:23:28,102 I can only imagine we'll have you back out here again. 563 00:23:28,189 --> 00:23:29,712 Whatever I can do to help. 564 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:31,519 - Okay. - Okay. We appreciate it. Thank you. 565 00:23:40,157 --> 00:23:43,160 THOMAS: We had an interesting visit with Chris Bartel. 566 00:23:43,291 --> 00:23:44,573 Chris shared some experiences that he had 567 00:23:44,597 --> 00:23:46,207 while he was here on the ranch. 568 00:23:46,294 --> 00:23:48,818 One of them, he was going across the mesa. 569 00:23:48,905 --> 00:23:52,909 He was following some very, very large tracks. 570 00:23:52,996 --> 00:23:56,130 The stride of this animal is like three feet. 571 00:23:56,217 --> 00:23:57,479 That's a big animal. 572 00:23:57,566 --> 00:23:59,176 He used the term canine, 573 00:23:59,263 --> 00:24:01,657 but those tracks looked like a very large wolf. 574 00:24:01,788 --> 00:24:06,053 And as he came down, he found this cavern. 575 00:24:06,183 --> 00:24:09,317 It was pretty large, and there were large traps 576 00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:11,058 that had been set down inside of this. 577 00:24:12,755 --> 00:24:15,584 The interesting thing was, is that when you look down in it, 578 00:24:15,671 --> 00:24:18,848 you can tell that the rocks have collapsed down. 579 00:24:18,979 --> 00:24:20,260 Wait, wait, so you've actually seen it? 580 00:24:20,284 --> 00:24:22,548 Yes, and I have a solid GPS coordinate 581 00:24:22,635 --> 00:24:25,202 for the actual opening. 582 00:24:25,289 --> 00:24:26,682 So, if you provide the coordinates, 583 00:24:26,813 --> 00:24:28,989 I can actually bring it up on the screen. 584 00:24:29,076 --> 00:24:31,600 TRAVIS: Ever since I joined the team two years ago, 585 00:24:31,731 --> 00:24:34,342 I've wanted to investigate the stories about caves 586 00:24:34,473 --> 00:24:36,083 and supposed underground caverns, 587 00:24:36,170 --> 00:24:38,564 but we just couldn't find any. 588 00:24:38,651 --> 00:24:39,521 - I say we pull this up on the screen and look at it. - OTHERS: Yeah. 589 00:24:39,608 --> 00:24:41,784 Yeah, let's do that. 590 00:24:41,871 --> 00:24:44,874 So, when Thomas said that former Bigelow team member 591 00:24:45,005 --> 00:24:49,009 Chris Bartel showed them where one was possibly covered over, 592 00:24:49,096 --> 00:24:51,620 I couldn't wait to learn more. 593 00:24:51,707 --> 00:24:54,101 THOMAS: It's about three-quarters of the way up the mesa, 594 00:24:54,188 --> 00:24:56,495 and it looks like 595 00:24:56,582 --> 00:24:58,975 there potentially could have been a much larger cavern 596 00:24:59,106 --> 00:25:02,631 that the whole thing has just kind of sunk in and collapsed. 597 00:25:02,718 --> 00:25:05,068 Is this close to where we're starting to see 598 00:25:05,155 --> 00:25:08,594 some of the GPS anomalies where they vanished into the mesa? 599 00:25:08,681 --> 00:25:11,335 Now, that is a great question. 600 00:25:11,422 --> 00:25:14,121 Actually, it's the opposite. 601 00:25:14,251 --> 00:25:16,340 In some of our exercises, 602 00:25:16,471 --> 00:25:18,212 we've seen things seem to emerge 603 00:25:18,342 --> 00:25:20,823 from about that part of the mesa. 604 00:25:20,910 --> 00:25:22,303 - Hmm. - Really? 605 00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:25,132 ♪ ♪ 606 00:25:25,262 --> 00:25:27,395 - TRAVIS: Package away. - Earlier this summer, 607 00:25:27,482 --> 00:25:30,224 we conducted two different aerial experiments 608 00:25:30,311 --> 00:25:32,748 over the triangle area, using GPS sensors... 609 00:25:32,835 --> 00:25:34,358 ERIK: I'm getting something, yeah. 610 00:25:34,445 --> 00:25:36,360 Trying to pinpoint the location 611 00:25:36,447 --> 00:25:38,145 where we keep detecting high-energy spikes 612 00:25:38,232 --> 00:25:40,103 about a mile above the ranch. 613 00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:42,758 These blue cubes represent 614 00:25:42,845 --> 00:25:45,587 the position of the GPS payloads. 615 00:25:45,718 --> 00:25:48,111 It looks like you smashed into the mesa. 616 00:25:48,242 --> 00:25:50,897 You popped out on this side right there. 617 00:25:51,027 --> 00:25:54,335 TRAVIS: But in both cases, the GPS data we collected 618 00:25:54,422 --> 00:25:57,077 inexplicably showed that our aircrafts 619 00:25:57,164 --> 00:25:58,644 flew down below the mesa. 620 00:25:58,774 --> 00:26:00,297 Look at that. 621 00:26:00,384 --> 00:26:02,691 That's about that location right there. 622 00:26:02,822 --> 00:26:06,129 And now it looks like the exit point corresponds 623 00:26:06,260 --> 00:26:08,262 with this spot where Chris Bartel says 624 00:26:08,349 --> 00:26:09,698 a cave entrance used to exist. 625 00:26:09,785 --> 00:26:11,700 I don't know yet, 626 00:26:11,787 --> 00:26:13,833 but maybe that's where 627 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,226 our answers about the triangle area are hidden. 628 00:26:16,313 --> 00:26:19,316 After seeing this, we brought Jake out here 629 00:26:19,403 --> 00:26:21,580 and had him look at it. 630 00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:25,061 He had a feeling that it looked like 631 00:26:25,148 --> 00:26:27,455 there had been some demolition work there. 632 00:26:27,542 --> 00:26:30,545 Did Bigelow's team discover something 633 00:26:30,632 --> 00:26:32,765 that we have yet to discover? 634 00:26:32,852 --> 00:26:34,549 If there really is a cave there 635 00:26:34,636 --> 00:26:36,638 and it was covered up, 636 00:26:36,725 --> 00:26:38,205 that had to be done 637 00:26:38,292 --> 00:26:39,852 during Bigelow's ownership of the ranch, 638 00:26:39,902 --> 00:26:41,861 since he's the one that Brandon bought it from. 639 00:26:41,991 --> 00:26:44,733 So, given that Bigelow was funded in part 640 00:26:44,820 --> 00:26:47,431 by the federal government for his research, 641 00:26:47,562 --> 00:26:50,086 what could they have found that needed to be kept hidden? 642 00:26:50,173 --> 00:26:53,307 It'd be good to get Pete Kelsey to fly over it 643 00:26:53,394 --> 00:26:55,352 with the infrared camera 644 00:26:55,439 --> 00:26:57,239 and see if there's any temperature differences 645 00:26:57,311 --> 00:26:58,751 that might suggest there's an airflow 646 00:26:58,878 --> 00:27:00,357 or a pocket or something. 647 00:27:00,488 --> 00:27:03,404 Absolutely. I-I've been really impressed 648 00:27:03,534 --> 00:27:05,164 by his work in the past, and to be able to have him 649 00:27:05,188 --> 00:27:07,103 bring out even more equipment 650 00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:09,628 that's more technologically advanced would be awesome. 651 00:27:09,715 --> 00:27:11,194 ERIK: It sounds like we got a plan. 652 00:27:11,281 --> 00:27:12,631 The more detail we can get 653 00:27:12,718 --> 00:27:14,347 about this part of the property the better. 654 00:27:14,371 --> 00:27:16,765 - We'll get right to it. - Okay, sounds good. 655 00:27:16,852 --> 00:27:18,637 ♪ ♪ 656 00:27:23,772 --> 00:27:25,992 TRAVIS: Right in here somewhere? 657 00:27:26,122 --> 00:27:27,602 THOMAS: Right up on the edge up there. 658 00:27:28,777 --> 00:27:31,040 TRAVIS: To help us figure out 659 00:27:31,171 --> 00:27:32,825 if this really is a covered entrance 660 00:27:32,912 --> 00:27:34,914 to something in the mesa, 661 00:27:35,044 --> 00:27:36,742 technologist Pete Kelsey has brought out 662 00:27:36,829 --> 00:27:39,222 a drone with a thermal imaging camera 663 00:27:39,309 --> 00:27:42,356 that'll be able to identify any signs of voids 664 00:27:42,443 --> 00:27:43,836 or caverns below the rubble. 665 00:27:43,923 --> 00:27:46,142 PETE: This looks great. 666 00:27:46,273 --> 00:27:48,492 - Thank you, sir. - Uh-huh. 667 00:27:48,623 --> 00:27:51,017 PETE: The guys have asked me to look for caves 668 00:27:51,147 --> 00:27:52,734 here on the property. The thermal camera could be 669 00:27:52,758 --> 00:27:54,281 a really good fit there, 670 00:27:54,368 --> 00:27:57,676 because typically caves, tunnels, 671 00:27:57,806 --> 00:28:00,809 the air inside is much cooler than the air outside. 672 00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:02,811 If it shows cold air, 673 00:28:02,942 --> 00:28:04,683 that could mean that there's a network. 674 00:28:04,813 --> 00:28:06,728 All right, I got all green lights here. 675 00:28:06,815 --> 00:28:08,861 Ready when you are. 676 00:28:08,948 --> 00:28:11,820 Where's the hole, Thomas? 677 00:28:11,907 --> 00:28:15,041 It's, uh, basically right... right up there. 678 00:28:15,171 --> 00:28:18,044 You can only see it from the top down. 679 00:28:18,131 --> 00:28:19,785 You can't see it looking up. 680 00:28:19,872 --> 00:28:22,004 So, I'm gonna just go up there so that you have 681 00:28:22,135 --> 00:28:23,939 an easy point of reference as you're trying to locate 682 00:28:23,963 --> 00:28:25,616 where this opening is at. 683 00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:27,203 I think it will be a lot easier if I'm up there 684 00:28:27,227 --> 00:28:29,316 - standing close to it, so... - Okay. 685 00:28:29,403 --> 00:28:30,839 Okay, I'm gonna get started. 686 00:28:30,926 --> 00:28:32,580 - Be careful. - Yup. 687 00:28:32,711 --> 00:28:34,974 ♪ ♪ 688 00:28:35,061 --> 00:28:38,064 In my years on the ranch, there's been rampant rumors 689 00:28:38,151 --> 00:28:42,982 about underground tunnels, underground bases, 690 00:28:43,069 --> 00:28:45,506 and really, with the technology that we're deploying now, 691 00:28:45,593 --> 00:28:48,509 the hopes is to either find it 692 00:28:48,639 --> 00:28:50,399 or-or finally put it to bed once and for all. 693 00:28:51,817 --> 00:28:54,036 - Right here. - There? 694 00:28:54,167 --> 00:28:57,213 - Yup. - Spinning up. 695 00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:00,042 [whirring] 696 00:29:00,129 --> 00:29:02,088 [beeping steadily] 697 00:29:03,829 --> 00:29:05,023 TRAVIS: So, you're flying the thermal camera first? 698 00:29:05,047 --> 00:29:06,483 PETE: Yeah, so the fancy term is 699 00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:09,182 this is a radiometric thermal camera, 700 00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:10,768 which means it will give me the temperature. 701 00:29:10,792 --> 00:29:12,794 But it also can do just video. 702 00:29:12,881 --> 00:29:16,363 - ERIK: Very cool. - Heading for Thomas. 703 00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:19,018 ♪ ♪ 704 00:29:19,148 --> 00:29:20,671 ERIK: There he is. 705 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,238 PETE: I will zoom in on him a bit. 706 00:29:24,501 --> 00:29:27,243 So, the hole must be that thing right in front of him. 707 00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:28,330 Mm-hmm. 708 00:29:30,420 --> 00:29:34,773 Is that hole really the coldest thing within the field of view? 709 00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:37,558 - Yes. It's black. - Okay. 710 00:29:37,645 --> 00:29:40,256 PETE: It's 64 degrees. 711 00:29:40,343 --> 00:29:42,737 Whereas on the rock surfaces you are at... 712 00:29:42,868 --> 00:29:45,784 Yeah, out in the sun, it just went to a 102. 713 00:29:45,871 --> 00:29:47,655 A 40-degree difference? 714 00:29:49,048 --> 00:29:50,963 I'm gonna go ahead and take 715 00:29:51,093 --> 00:29:52,529 one of those smoke bombs up there. 716 00:29:52,616 --> 00:29:54,056 So you guys keep an eye out down here 717 00:29:54,140 --> 00:29:55,421 and see if you see smoke coming out. 718 00:29:55,445 --> 00:29:57,012 That is a great idea. 719 00:29:57,143 --> 00:29:59,449 ♪ ♪ 720 00:29:59,580 --> 00:30:02,148 TRAVIS: In addition to Pete's high-tech drone, 721 00:30:02,235 --> 00:30:04,585 we also brought along some low-tech smoke bombs, 722 00:30:04,672 --> 00:30:07,327 to look for evidence of holes or possible entry points. 723 00:30:07,414 --> 00:30:09,808 Once we drop the bombs, 724 00:30:09,895 --> 00:30:11,984 if the smoke starts emitting back out of the mesa 725 00:30:12,114 --> 00:30:14,005 from different points then where we dropped them, 726 00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:15,726 it would be a sign that there really is 727 00:30:15,857 --> 00:30:18,555 a covered-up cave or tunnel system 728 00:30:18,686 --> 00:30:21,012 - under all these boulders. - BRYANT [over walkie]: Hey, Travis. 729 00:30:21,036 --> 00:30:22,622 We're ready for you to pop that smoke bomb. 730 00:30:22,646 --> 00:30:24,387 All right, we're gonna pop a smoke. 731 00:30:24,474 --> 00:30:26,650 Three... 732 00:30:26,737 --> 00:30:28,827 two, one... 733 00:30:28,914 --> 00:30:31,351 Popping smoke, popping smoke. 734 00:30:34,615 --> 00:30:36,704 - ERIK: You see any effect? - PETE: No. 735 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,720 There, it's starting to come out. Look at that. 736 00:30:40,751 --> 00:30:42,623 Blue smoke. 737 00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:45,365 Yeah, so I'm getting no love on the thermal. 738 00:30:45,452 --> 00:30:48,194 So, I'll switch to RGB. 739 00:30:49,499 --> 00:30:52,067 THOMAS: Oh, it's coming out down here. 740 00:30:52,198 --> 00:30:54,113 TRAVIS: Oh, look. Look behind you. 741 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,766 It's coming out everywhere. 742 00:30:55,854 --> 00:30:58,160 Ooh, that makes my day. 743 00:30:58,247 --> 00:31:00,249 TRAVIS: Wow, look at that. 744 00:31:00,336 --> 00:31:02,425 THOMAS: Little wasps of it down here. 745 00:31:02,556 --> 00:31:05,689 ERIK: If there's a connection between these larger openings, 746 00:31:05,820 --> 00:31:07,842 - perhaps that cave we're talking about. - PETE: Yeah. 747 00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:09,998 There was a cave at one time. 748 00:31:10,129 --> 00:31:12,871 Thomas and I have found a couple of holes up here. 749 00:31:12,958 --> 00:31:16,222 I think we're gonna throw our smoke grenades in there. 750 00:31:16,309 --> 00:31:18,113 So, keep an eye out, see if you see it coming out 751 00:31:18,137 --> 00:31:20,791 - anywhere on the mesa. - Copy that, thanks. 752 00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:22,750 Right here. 753 00:31:29,061 --> 00:31:31,498 TRAVIS: Let it get smoking good. 754 00:31:31,585 --> 00:31:33,761 Oh, that's good, orange smoke, orange smoke. 755 00:31:35,023 --> 00:31:37,504 Oh, I'm gonna step back. 756 00:31:37,591 --> 00:31:40,246 Yeah, definitely, we got smoke. 757 00:31:40,333 --> 00:31:41,856 PETE: A little bit. 758 00:31:41,987 --> 00:31:44,903 ERIK: Yeah. 759 00:31:45,033 --> 00:31:46,706 TRAVIS: There should be a lot more smoke coming out. 760 00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:49,124 Actually, look, look, it's getting sucked in. 761 00:31:49,211 --> 00:31:52,214 TRAVIS: Yeah, the smoke's going down. 762 00:31:52,301 --> 00:31:53,824 THOMAS: Oh, look, it's completely gone. 763 00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:55,391 We should be seeing smoke everywhere. 764 00:31:55,478 --> 00:31:58,481 - There's no smoke. - There is nothing here. 765 00:31:58,612 --> 00:32:00,440 No smoke? 766 00:32:00,570 --> 00:32:03,095 BRYANT: I don't see anything. 767 00:32:03,182 --> 00:32:04,792 TRAVIS: Where did it go? 768 00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:11,059 BRYANT: Where'd the smoke go? 769 00:32:11,146 --> 00:32:12,495 Where'd it go? 770 00:32:12,626 --> 00:32:14,019 Actually, look, look. 771 00:32:14,106 --> 00:32:15,455 It's getting sucked in. 772 00:32:15,585 --> 00:32:17,936 TRAVIS: Yeah, the smoke's going down. 773 00:32:18,023 --> 00:32:20,025 The wind's blowing the smoke down, Dragon. 774 00:32:20,112 --> 00:32:22,766 Really? 775 00:32:22,897 --> 00:32:24,570 THOMAS: When we dropped smoke bombs down this opening, 776 00:32:24,594 --> 00:32:26,422 the smoke started to come out, 777 00:32:26,509 --> 00:32:28,729 and then it was as if somebody turned on a vacuum, 778 00:32:28,859 --> 00:32:31,427 and the smoke just disappeared and sucked down in the hole. 779 00:32:31,558 --> 00:32:33,647 Yeah, something's sucking the smoke 780 00:32:33,734 --> 00:32:35,866 into the cave or the hole. 781 00:32:35,997 --> 00:32:37,738 THOMAS: Nothing. 782 00:32:37,825 --> 00:32:41,133 There's no smoke at all! 783 00:32:41,220 --> 00:32:43,048 That is really strange. 784 00:32:43,178 --> 00:32:44,440 PETE: Yeah, it's inhaling. 785 00:32:44,571 --> 00:32:45,896 ERIK: Yeah, it's inhaling all right. 786 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,704 So, if that's an inhale, the question is, 787 00:32:47,791 --> 00:32:49,271 where are the lungs? 788 00:32:49,358 --> 00:32:50,683 TRAVIS [over walkie]: Hey, Erik, you copy? 789 00:32:50,707 --> 00:32:52,753 Yeah, go ahead, Travis. 790 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,495 You guys don't see any smoke down there? 791 00:32:55,582 --> 00:32:58,150 Travis, I could only see the smoke at the beginning. 792 00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,605 It disappeared just like you reported. 793 00:32:59,629 --> 00:33:01,675 No trace. 794 00:33:01,805 --> 00:33:03,285 I don't see it coming out of anywhere. 795 00:33:06,767 --> 00:33:08,334 - You going up top? - Yeah. 796 00:33:08,421 --> 00:33:09,857 TRAVIS: Thomas is going up top. 797 00:33:09,988 --> 00:33:11,008 Look up there and see if you can see any smoke 798 00:33:11,032 --> 00:33:12,251 with the drone. 799 00:33:12,338 --> 00:33:13,513 Yeah. All right, panning up. 800 00:33:13,643 --> 00:33:15,471 ♪ ♪ 801 00:33:19,084 --> 00:33:22,043 - You see any effect? - No. 802 00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:25,307 - TRAVIS: Anything, Thomas? - No. 803 00:33:25,394 --> 00:33:28,223 TRAVIS: For the smoke to be getting pulled down into the mesa, 804 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:31,139 that means that there's some kind of cavern or void 805 00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:34,664 sucking the smoke back underground like a vacuum. 806 00:33:34,751 --> 00:33:37,189 Is it something natural or could there be 807 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,495 some artificial object or device causing that? 808 00:33:39,626 --> 00:33:42,150 Hey, guys, I got one more. 809 00:33:42,237 --> 00:33:43,978 Do we want to try and repeat that? 810 00:33:44,109 --> 00:33:45,458 I say we do. What do you think? 811 00:33:45,588 --> 00:33:46,502 - Yeah. - Heck, yeah. 812 00:33:46,589 --> 00:33:47,895 - Okay, I'll bring it up. - Okay. 813 00:33:48,983 --> 00:33:50,724 TRAVIS: Erik, be advised, 814 00:33:50,854 --> 00:33:52,595 Dragon has one more smoke grenade. 815 00:33:52,726 --> 00:33:53,509 He's gonna bring it up and we're gonna drop it 816 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,598 in the hole for a repeat. 817 00:33:55,729 --> 00:33:56,729 Copy that. 818 00:33:56,773 --> 00:33:58,079 You want to do it, Dragon, or... 819 00:33:58,210 --> 00:33:59,602 Sure, I can. 820 00:33:59,733 --> 00:34:01,300 All right, well, look. 821 00:34:01,387 --> 00:34:02,953 We're getting ready to pop smoke again, 822 00:34:03,041 --> 00:34:04,825 so keep an eye out. 823 00:34:04,912 --> 00:34:09,047 Three, two, one... 824 00:34:11,875 --> 00:34:13,747 Yeah, that's probably good enough. 825 00:34:15,575 --> 00:34:17,620 - PETE: Purple smoke. - ERIK: Yeah. 826 00:34:17,707 --> 00:34:19,076 There's just a little bit coming out, 827 00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:20,580 but that... N-No. 828 00:34:20,667 --> 00:34:22,495 BRYANT: Look at it. 829 00:34:22,625 --> 00:34:25,324 - It's pulling it back down. - Yeah, it is, look at it. 830 00:34:25,454 --> 00:34:27,494 TRAVIS: Yeah, look, it's pulling it down right here. 831 00:34:30,111 --> 00:34:32,722 That first little bit kind of filtered out, 832 00:34:32,853 --> 00:34:35,247 the rest is getting sucked back down. 833 00:34:35,377 --> 00:34:38,163 THOMAS: There should be a lot more smoke than that. 834 00:34:38,293 --> 00:34:40,774 TARVIS: Those smoke grenades last a while. 835 00:34:40,904 --> 00:34:43,342 - It's gone. - It's gone, look. 836 00:34:43,472 --> 00:34:45,648 That's just weird. 837 00:34:45,735 --> 00:34:48,216 Hey, Erik, same thing happened. 838 00:34:48,303 --> 00:34:49,503 A little bit of smoke came out 839 00:34:49,565 --> 00:34:51,176 then it all just kind of went away. 840 00:34:51,263 --> 00:34:52,762 Did y'all see any smoke come out of anywhere? 841 00:34:52,786 --> 00:34:54,396 Not down here, Travis. 842 00:34:54,483 --> 00:34:57,312 Did Thomas see anything on the back side? 843 00:34:57,443 --> 00:34:59,880 - I don't see anything up here. - TRAVIS: Yeah? 844 00:35:00,010 --> 00:35:01,945 I even walked back there up on the ridge a little bit. 845 00:35:01,969 --> 00:35:02,969 I don't see anything. 846 00:35:04,624 --> 00:35:06,626 We've got a lot of data suggesting that 847 00:35:06,713 --> 00:35:09,542 there's something interesting going on in this area. 848 00:35:09,672 --> 00:35:12,066 With all the stories that we've heard of tunnels 849 00:35:12,153 --> 00:35:16,244 and caverns and underground bases here in the mesa, 850 00:35:16,375 --> 00:35:19,856 I finally feel like we're starting to make some progress. 851 00:35:19,987 --> 00:35:22,468 Well, it means there's got to be some sort of an opening, 852 00:35:22,555 --> 00:35:25,340 if it's pulling that much smoke and none of it's leaking out. 853 00:35:25,427 --> 00:35:27,777 We're out of smoke bombs, I guess just head down. 854 00:35:27,864 --> 00:35:30,084 All right, I'm landing. 855 00:35:31,868 --> 00:35:34,088 ERIK: As I like to say, "We are led by the data." 856 00:35:34,219 --> 00:35:36,438 And all of the data are pointing to 857 00:35:36,525 --> 00:35:38,875 the existence of a large void, 858 00:35:38,962 --> 00:35:41,530 somewhere inside of the face of this mesa. 859 00:35:41,661 --> 00:35:45,143 I would love to get eyes on what's in there. 860 00:35:45,273 --> 00:35:47,797 - Welcome back to earth. - OTHERS: Yeah. 861 00:35:47,928 --> 00:35:50,322 So you did find something? 862 00:35:50,452 --> 00:35:53,455 Uh, we did find something. 863 00:35:53,542 --> 00:35:55,849 Sure weird, from what I saw from the air. 864 00:35:55,936 --> 00:35:59,548 It was, it was like the mesa just took a deep breath. 865 00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:03,073 Yep, you could literally see it being sucked down into the hole. 866 00:36:03,204 --> 00:36:05,815 And the hole, it seems like it just went forever. 867 00:36:05,902 --> 00:36:07,861 It was just like a vacuum cleaner turned on 868 00:36:07,991 --> 00:36:09,384 and it sucked all that smoke down 869 00:36:09,515 --> 00:36:10,080 - and then it was gone. - Yeah, it was gone. 870 00:36:10,211 --> 00:36:11,821 So, it went somewhere. 871 00:36:11,952 --> 00:36:14,346 That hole goes deeper than we think. 872 00:36:14,476 --> 00:36:16,348 Well, I think we got to figure some things out 873 00:36:16,478 --> 00:36:18,282 before we do the next thing. We really want to do this right. 874 00:36:18,306 --> 00:36:20,917 The experiment definitely confirmed 875 00:36:21,048 --> 00:36:22,963 that there is something that we need to explore 876 00:36:23,093 --> 00:36:24,617 deep inside the mesa. 877 00:36:24,704 --> 00:36:26,706 But we're gonna have to move some earth, 878 00:36:26,836 --> 00:36:28,186 and that means digging or drilling 879 00:36:28,273 --> 00:36:29,709 to find out what it is. 880 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:31,279 So, we need to have a serious meeting 881 00:36:31,319 --> 00:36:32,427 with Brandon and get his blessing, 882 00:36:32,451 --> 00:36:34,279 'cause we've seen in the past, 883 00:36:34,409 --> 00:36:37,151 it's always risky to dig on Skinwalker Ranch, 884 00:36:37,282 --> 00:36:38,892 but I don't see another choice. 885 00:36:38,979 --> 00:36:40,981 Great work, as always, Pete. 886 00:36:41,111 --> 00:36:43,046 - Thank you very much, appreciate it. - Oh, my pleasure. 887 00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:44,854 All right. We'll load up, head back. 888 00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:56,562 ERIK: Oh, well, here they are. 889 00:36:56,649 --> 00:36:58,607 TRAVIS: Now that we've found what may be 890 00:36:58,694 --> 00:37:01,828 a purposely covered up system of caverns, or who knows what, 891 00:37:01,915 --> 00:37:02,915 in the mesa... 892 00:37:04,091 --> 00:37:07,137 we need to explain it to Brandon 893 00:37:07,225 --> 00:37:08,617 and have a serious discussion about 894 00:37:08,748 --> 00:37:10,445 what he's willing to allow us to do 895 00:37:10,532 --> 00:37:13,535 to get inside and see what the heck could be there. 896 00:37:13,622 --> 00:37:15,189 Well, Brandon, as usual, 897 00:37:15,276 --> 00:37:16,732 we have some intriguing things to report. 898 00:37:16,756 --> 00:37:20,150 We've taken a lot of data with the GPS experiments, 899 00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:21,606 with the helicopter, with the airplane, 900 00:37:21,630 --> 00:37:24,851 and we've seemed to find 901 00:37:24,938 --> 00:37:27,506 there's an anomaly that's just a little bit west 902 00:37:27,593 --> 00:37:30,552 of the, uh, triangle that's causing it to look like... 903 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,269 actually, that Cameron's helicopter flew us 904 00:37:32,293 --> 00:37:34,034 into the mesa, 905 00:37:34,164 --> 00:37:36,732 and then out of the mesa on top somehow or other. 906 00:37:36,819 --> 00:37:38,449 - Okay. - TRAVIS: That's kind of in the same location 907 00:37:38,473 --> 00:37:40,693 that we've had an eyewitness suggest 908 00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:42,105 that there was a cave there in the past. 909 00:37:42,129 --> 00:37:44,262 Really? Oh. Wow. 910 00:37:44,349 --> 00:37:48,527 Chris Bartel, uh, one of the former guards 911 00:37:48,614 --> 00:37:51,443 for Mr. Bigelow, he came out here and visited with us, 912 00:37:51,573 --> 00:37:53,706 and he showed us this cavern. 913 00:37:53,793 --> 00:37:56,752 Thomas and I had one of his associates come out 914 00:37:56,839 --> 00:37:58,798 who's done a lot of blasting and drilling. 915 00:37:58,928 --> 00:38:00,190 Well, he-he just looked at it, 916 00:38:00,321 --> 00:38:02,236 and he said it does have the appearance 917 00:38:02,367 --> 00:38:05,587 that it could have been blasted and collapsed. 918 00:38:05,674 --> 00:38:07,850 Chris Bartel showing us this cavern 919 00:38:07,937 --> 00:38:09,504 led us to explore further in that area 920 00:38:09,635 --> 00:38:11,245 to see if we could find other clues 921 00:38:11,376 --> 00:38:13,552 or maybe other entrances. 922 00:38:13,682 --> 00:38:16,032 - Mm-hmm. - And we actually did find some other holes, 923 00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:18,470 uh, which we dropped smoke bombs down into. 924 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,473 The smoke started to come up out of the hole and then it was 925 00:38:21,603 --> 00:38:23,039 as if somebody turned on a vacuum, 926 00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:25,303 and the smoke sucked down into the hole, 927 00:38:25,390 --> 00:38:26,913 and we never saw another trace of it. 928 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,611 - Wow. - That was really strange. 929 00:38:29,742 --> 00:38:31,874 Yeah, it was... it was odd. 930 00:38:31,961 --> 00:38:36,749 It really suggests that there is some sort of opening, 931 00:38:36,879 --> 00:38:40,274 uh, network underneath the rocks, underneath the mesa. 932 00:38:40,361 --> 00:38:45,323 The fact that the-the smoke experiment showed 933 00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:48,021 that there's some void, there's something 934 00:38:48,108 --> 00:38:51,677 that is pulling that material into the mesa, 935 00:38:51,807 --> 00:38:53,505 I mean, that's-that's a key clue. 936 00:38:53,592 --> 00:38:55,594 Yeah, it was the most bizarre thing. 937 00:38:55,724 --> 00:38:57,987 There's an airflow somewhere going into something, 938 00:38:58,074 --> 00:39:00,381 a void somewhere or whatever. 939 00:39:00,468 --> 00:39:02,557 Since it never came out lower, that suggests 940 00:39:02,644 --> 00:39:05,473 there's an opening underneath, underneath the mesa out there. 941 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,737 - Yeah. - As we've discussed before, 942 00:39:08,824 --> 00:39:11,958 this is an area attended by GPS receivers 943 00:39:12,088 --> 00:39:15,483 behaving anomalously in that part of the ranch. 944 00:39:15,614 --> 00:39:18,051 What's doing it? What's interfering with them? 945 00:39:18,138 --> 00:39:20,967 - And what may have been covered up in the past? - ERIK: Yeah. 946 00:39:21,054 --> 00:39:23,361 BRANDON: What were they hiding in that mesa? 947 00:39:23,448 --> 00:39:25,145 That's the big question, right? 948 00:39:25,232 --> 00:39:27,365 What were they hiding and why would they 949 00:39:27,452 --> 00:39:31,064 deliberately cover up their tracks? 950 00:39:31,151 --> 00:39:33,327 I think Thomas has found the ideal solution. 951 00:39:33,458 --> 00:39:34,894 What would you propose? 952 00:39:34,981 --> 00:39:37,679 Well, I have a, I have a good friend 953 00:39:37,766 --> 00:39:39,289 that is a driller. 954 00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:41,814 Now, he's a horizontal driller. 955 00:39:41,944 --> 00:39:44,686 This drill is special in the fact that it's directional, 956 00:39:44,773 --> 00:39:47,210 and it allows him to steer the bit around. 957 00:39:47,341 --> 00:39:50,039 - Wow. - And so, we could set it up at the base of the mesa 958 00:39:50,126 --> 00:39:52,912 and drill horizontally into the mesa, 959 00:39:52,999 --> 00:39:56,132 and we can steer it around. 960 00:39:56,263 --> 00:39:57,980 And so, it would allow us to explore and see 961 00:39:58,004 --> 00:40:00,441 if we might be able to punch into one of these voids. 962 00:40:00,528 --> 00:40:04,314 That is a perfect match for our problem set, Thomas. 963 00:40:04,402 --> 00:40:07,622 I'm very curious to find out what may be hidden 964 00:40:07,709 --> 00:40:09,972 in that chamber or at least in that area. 965 00:40:10,059 --> 00:40:13,323 You have my approval to proceed, but proceed with care. 966 00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:16,414 I want to minimize the amount of disruption 967 00:40:16,501 --> 00:40:18,372 over in that area, and I want to make sure 968 00:40:18,503 --> 00:40:21,027 that safety is paramount. 969 00:40:21,114 --> 00:40:24,030 - You got it, Brandon. - BRYANT: Let's go. 970 00:40:24,117 --> 00:40:27,076 TARVIS: You can't really take this ranch 971 00:40:27,163 --> 00:40:29,427 as a serious scientific investigation 972 00:40:29,557 --> 00:40:32,255 if you don't take in mind 973 00:40:32,342 --> 00:40:34,262 all of the lore and mythology that comes with it. 974 00:40:34,388 --> 00:40:37,173 We've heard so many stories 975 00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:39,219 about what's underneath this mesa. 976 00:40:39,306 --> 00:40:42,396 We've heard myths of caves that have portals in them, 977 00:40:42,527 --> 00:40:44,442 even a military base. 978 00:40:44,529 --> 00:40:46,748 Any information we could get that tells us 979 00:40:46,835 --> 00:40:50,752 there's some type of void or even a structure, 980 00:40:50,839 --> 00:40:53,189 that would be amazing information. 981 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,278 BRANDON: I believe as we move forward, 982 00:40:55,409 --> 00:40:59,369 the mesa holds secrets that have yet to be revealed. 983 00:40:59,457 --> 00:41:02,590 We have to always be aware 984 00:41:02,721 --> 00:41:05,288 that anytime we begin digging or disturbing the earth, 985 00:41:05,419 --> 00:41:08,814 we stand to experience harm 986 00:41:08,901 --> 00:41:11,338 and there's a risk involved. 987 00:41:11,425 --> 00:41:15,864 However, I can tell you we are onto something. 988 00:41:15,951 --> 00:41:18,084 This is the time to put our foot on the gas 989 00:41:18,214 --> 00:41:20,434 and to charge forward, 990 00:41:20,521 --> 00:41:23,263 so we can hopefully catch a glimpse 991 00:41:23,393 --> 00:41:26,005 of what is really at work at Skinwalker Ranch. 992 00:41:31,227 --> 00:41:34,840 THOMAS: We're hoping that we can go drill through the mesa 993 00:41:34,927 --> 00:41:36,189 and see if we hit any voids. 994 00:41:37,843 --> 00:41:39,763 BRYANT: That looks like a big chunk of something. 995 00:41:39,845 --> 00:41:42,978 What is that? It definitely looks metallic. 996 00:41:43,065 --> 00:41:45,154 BRYANT: Let's run a snake camera down in the mesa. 997 00:41:45,241 --> 00:41:46,591 There it is. 998 00:41:46,721 --> 00:41:47,721 What is that? 999 00:41:47,809 --> 00:41:50,072 This thing is broadcasting. 1000 00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:52,248 This thing shouldn't be broadcasting anything. 1001 00:41:52,335 --> 00:41:55,077 - Hey. Are you okay? - No. 1002 00:41:55,164 --> 00:41:56,364 BRYANT: Tom just blacked out. 1003 00:41:56,388 --> 00:41:58,388 >>>>oakislandtk<<<<< www.opensubtitles.org 75399

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