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- I got a headache bro.
- Uh, his head is starting to hurt.
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THOMAS: Here,
jump in here real quick.
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We may have to
get you off the ranch.
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The fact that something
would be interfering
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points to malevolent intent.
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In our tradition, if
you see something,
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you don't talk about it.
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- TRAVIS: Hey, Look! UAP right there.
- GARY: Yup.
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So we have a region
in altitude that tells us
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there is some kind on phenomenon
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taking place right
here over the triangle.
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NARRATOR: There is
a ranch in Northern Utah.
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It is considered the epicenter
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of the strangest and most
disturbing phenomena on Earth:
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animal mutilations,
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bizarre UFO sightings
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and unusual energies that
have proven harmful to humans.
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For 20 years, the
federal government
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tried to find
answers and failed.
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Now a new team of
dedicated scientists,
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researchers and
experts has taken over.
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They are determined to
solve the mystery and reveal...
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The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch.
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TRAVIS: I don't know if it's
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the things we're doing
that's stimulating these things
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like launching rockets.
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But there seems to be
something happening that is
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jamming, hacking, spoofing us.
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TRAVIS: We've recently conducted
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two new experiments at
the triangle and have gotten
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more confirmation
that something strange
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is happening about a
mile above that area.
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CAMERON: Three,
two, one, bottle drop.
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TRAVIS: First, we
dropped GPS units
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from Brandon's
helicopter down through it.
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TRAVIS: Holy cow. Look at that.
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So we threw it out right there
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and then, look, it goes upwind.
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But something we couldn't see
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seemed to deflect
our instruments
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away from the spot.
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The rocket is going hot.
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Then, we launched
rockets up there with a team
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of former military experts
who brought a specialized
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tracking system
for studying UAP.
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- Hey look, UAP right there.
- GARY: Yep. I see it.
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TRAVIS: We did stimulate
something to appear in the sky,
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but the tracking system
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mysteriously shut
down over and over...
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You got to be kidding me.
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Preventing us
from getting any data.
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Everything just went off-line.
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We need to find a way
to collect data in that zone
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for a sustained period of time
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to figure out just what's
causing these strange events
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that keep happening
on Skinwalker Ranch.
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Well, you know,
these rockets are great
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and we're seeing this data.
The problem with them is
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they go up so fast
and come down so fast,
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I don't feel like you guys
are really getting a lot of data.
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A typical flight trajectory is,
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even with a very
big chute on them,
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is less than 20 or 30 seconds.
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- Yeah.
- So, it would be nice to linger there
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like with a fixed-wing aircraft
that we could just keep fly...
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Orbiting over the
spot, or something.
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You know, where we just make
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a push broom-type of
pattern at various altitudes.
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TRAVIS: You could do that with,
like, a Cessna or something like that
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and you could put
plenty of instruments in it.
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They could go about a
hundred miles an hour, or slower,
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and just push broom back
and forth over the ranch.
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And then you could
go up in altitude
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and do it again
and keep doing it.
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We could get a complete 3D map
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of GPS, gamma rays, radio,
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whatever we
wanted to do like that.
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Well, we've talked about
this for a while, I say we do it.
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- Right.
- TRAVIS: I'll bet you
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that Cameron knows somebody,
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that's got a plane that would
do this, that would help us out.
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Okay, should we go do it?
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We need to reach out to Cameron
to see if he can help us out.
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BRYANT: Sounds good.
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TRAVIS: Thanks, Erik.
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TOM: Right up here is
where the petroglyph is.
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KANDUS: Okay.
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TRAVIS: While we were preparing
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for the experiment
above the triangle,
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Tom Lewis and
Kandus Linde went to
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nearby McConkie Ranch
to meet with a respected
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Navajo Nation's member
named Jon Dover.
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I think he said he
was going to meet us
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- just at the trailhead up here.
- JON: Hello!
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- I'm up here.
- TOM: Jon.
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Hello.
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Come on up.
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Let's head on up.
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TRAVIS: Now, we want
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any information that can
help us with our investigation
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and the Indigenous
people in this region
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have a long history with all
kinds of strange phenomenon.
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- KANDUS: You're good?
- TOM: Oh, yeah.
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TOM: Just recently, we
met with Corey Serawop
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who shared a story with us
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about his experience
in the Uinta Basin.
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One thing he brought up
was that we should visit
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McConkie Ranch and check
out the petroglyphs there.
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This is amazing.
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KANDUS: Wow, yeah.
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TOM: Jon Dover has
a deep understanding
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of the petroglyphs and
pictographs that are up
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on the walls at McConkie Ranch.
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And so, Kandus and
I are very interested
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to hear what Jon has to say.
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- Ah, there you are. Hi.
- JON: Hey, there.
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- Glad you made it.
- Thanks so much for having us.
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- Kandus.
- Jon.
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Jon, nice to meet you.
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- And I'm Tom.
- Hi, Tom.
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JON: My name is Jonathan Dover.
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I spent 27 years
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as a, uh, archeological
resource investigator
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with the Navajo Nation Rangers.
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KANDUS: Oh, wow.
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Yeah, this place is amazing.
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JON: This is one place
of a whole bunch of places
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that have petroglyphs
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that were put on these
rocks a thousand years ago
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or even earlier than that.
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Mm-hmm.
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JON: The ancient people that populated
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this place and some of the
other places around here show
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that the natives back then
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were seeing unusual
things happening
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and were recording them, too.
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There's a lot of information
that's put on these rocks
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and they are put on in
successive "timescape."
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Everybody that came through
would add something to it.
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They're a record and...
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unusual things would
be documented on them.
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They could depict clans,
they could depict Gods,
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they could even
depict maps of the area.
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Yeah, we have a few small
panels at the ranch and we're really
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trying to tie anything
together that's in this region
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to the ranch, to see if there's
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connections or anything
that we could draw
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lines to.
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We'll definitely see
some connections here.
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KANDUS: Excellent.
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If we go further down here,
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we're going to take
a look at one of them.
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- TOM: Great.
- Show us the way.
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Wow.
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Here is the most interesting
one that I've found so far,
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is this spiral right here.
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The spiral seems
to be universal.
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All through
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the United States,
through the Southwest,
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in Europe, in Africa.
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Some archeologists
tell me that this spiral
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could refer to some
kind of a portal.
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- A portal?
- JON: Yeah, a portal.
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Okay.
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JON: And, uh, we think
that there's something
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called infrasound.
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Which is different
frequencies of sound
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that you can't detect
them with human hearing.
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And we believe
that it's very possible
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that these different frequencies
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can open portals
to other places.
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TRAVIS: For two years now,
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all over Skinwalker Ranch
we've seen this strange signal
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with an RF frequency
of 1.6 gigahertz.
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BRYANT: We've got liftoff.
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TRAVIS: Oh, my
God, during launch
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the electromagnetic
spectrum is going
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crazy, guys... I've never
seen anything like it.
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No technology that we know of
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uses this specific 1.6
gigahertz frequency,
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but we often see it
when people have
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physiological
episodes on the ranch,
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and also, when we've seen UAPs.
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Now, the idea that UAP
and strange frequencies
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are somehow connected to
a phenomenon like a portal,
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is very interesting,
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especially since many
of the Indigenous people
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in this area truly believe
that connection exists.
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You're saying this is a
portal? Or could be a portal?
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This very much
could be a portal.
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The significance of portals
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or dimensional
gates, if you would...
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Mm-hmm.
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Is that the Navajos themselves
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talk about a people
coming to visit.
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Different dimensions
are not like walls.
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If you can imagine...
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they're interlaced together.
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So,
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what if every now and then
something just leaks through?
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- Mm-hmm.
- You could travel,
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- we just don't know how to do it.
- Yeah.
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Even the Navajo creation story
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talks about coming through
several different worlds
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until they see a hole in the sky
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and they climb
up into this world.
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We think that there's something
going on with frequency...
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that is creating this effect.
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Wow.
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There's a lot more we
need to look at up here.
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- All right.
- So, we'll move along here.
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TOM: As we were looking
at this spiral petroglyph
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described as a portal,
Kandus and I realized
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there is some sort
of connection here
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with what's
happening on the ranch
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and possibly at the triangle.
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We've heard a lot of
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very interesting stories
about seeing portals
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that opened right
above people's heads
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and figures coming
out of these portals.
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- It's amazing.
- JON: Yeah.
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KANDUS: Oh, yeah. I see it.
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- TOM: Oh, and that's like a human...
- KANDUS: It's another figure.
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One thing I've just
thought about is, you know,
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just on this rock
wall right here,
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and it is speculation
and inference...
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- Right.
- TOM: But...
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we could have a
skinwalker shape-shifter.
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We could have...
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- aliens.
- Somebody coming through another dimension.
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- Through other dimensions.
- JON: Right.
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The idea of Navajo skinwalkers,
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gods coming from the sky,
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even UFOs,
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all had one thing in
common and that's this idea
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of dimensions and portals,
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and it's the one thing that
ties everything together.
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With the spirals back
here that you were
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talking about could be
indicative of-of a portal,
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it could be that
it was right here
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or maybe off in the distance?
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What do you think?
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It-it could be a
whole range of things.
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We've actually
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had stories involving
UAPs that have
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entered into mesas...
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and just gone
right into the rock.
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This idea of portals,
of dimensions,
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it all ties together, and that's
what we're seeing with a lot
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of these places and I
think that's what you're
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experiencing in the
Uinta Basin there.
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A lot of phenomenon
that's associated
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with cross-dimensional
things going on.
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KANDUS: Wow. We'd really love
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to have you come to the
ranch and look at a few things.
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Based on what
you've told us today
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and your interpretation
of these panels,
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I think there's a good
chance that the same
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people that were here
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could've very well been
on our ranch at one point.
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I think we'd both benefit
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from you coming to the
ranch and giving your insight to
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- what we've seen there.
- TOM: We have some
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very interesting things right
on the Skinwalker Ranch.
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It might be things you've
never seen before, so...
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- I'd love to come over there.
- KANDUS: Great.
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TOM: Lead the way.
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TRAVIS: I think we
should stop right here.
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Because of what happened
last year with the sensors
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on Brandon's helicopter
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detecting an object
right below us,
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and also, what happened
just two weeks ago
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when we dropped GPS
units into the triangle anomaly
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which appeared
to just bounce off
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of an invisible object in
the sky above the ranch...
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- Hey, Kendra, how are you?
- Hey.
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TRAVIS: we really
wanted to go further
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with attempting to
map that anomaly.
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So, to conduct
today's experiment
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above the triangle area,
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Cameron Fugal put us in touch
with a pilot named Kendra Hart
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who's agreed to take
Erik up in her Cessna
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to help us collect our data.
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Since you fly out here, have
you flown over the property?
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The ranch itself?
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I have not.
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Most of my students
stay further west and so,
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this will be my first
time this far out east
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and especially
over the ranch, so...
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- ERIK: Really?
- Yeah, it will be my first time.
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- ERIK: First time?
- First time. -TRAVIS: So...
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What we want to do is fly
from here over to the ranch.
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When you get there,
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we would like for you
to do a grid pattern,
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at, uh, five
different altitudes.
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Erik will show you
the points of interest,
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but there's a triangle right
in the middle of the property
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and directly above that,
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between, say,
2,500 and 5,000 feet,
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we've seen some weird things.
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- KENDRA: Okay.
- And, so we're hoping to get
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some instrumentation
in that area
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and see if we can figure out
what those weird things are.
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- Awesome.
- TRAVIS: One thing that,
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uh, not to scare
you, but occasionally,
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when people are on
the ranch and even
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above the ranch have
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sort of a physiological
response to being there.
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If you start feeling
anything at any point,
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you know, you're the pilot,
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if it's time to
abort the mission
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'cause you got a weird feeling,
then you abort the mission.
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- All right?
- Mm-hmm.
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Well, we've got some
work to do to get ready to go
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and you may have
some flight prep
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- or something.
- Absolutely.
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So, we'll be maybe in
and out of the cargo area
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- for the next couple minutes and then we'll be ready to go.
- Okay.
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- Let's get it done.
- TRAVIS: All right, Erik, let's grab everything.
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ERIK: I'll be going up in
the Cessna aircraft today
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with some GPS trackers
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and a data-logging
radiation meter,
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our standard equipment set
including our spectrum analyzer,
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Geiger counter
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and other local equipment
to observe whether
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there are any GPS anomalies
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up near the 5,000-foot
point over the triangle.
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TRAVIS: All right.
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I'm gonna close it up and
then go put it in the plane.
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Sounds good.
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TRAVIS: Today,
the plan is to fly
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the Cessna in a sequential
push broom pattern over the ranch
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sweeping back and
forth over the triangle
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at various altitudes.
At the same time,
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using the GPS
sensors to collect data
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that we hope will give us
a three-dimensional model
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of the anomaly
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that we believe is up
there somewhere between
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3,000 and 5,000
feet above the ground.
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- What do you got there?
- This is your headset.
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- ERIK: Got it.
- Okay, and then, this is the radio
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that we are using
for the radio source.
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ERIK: For this experiment,
we're also making use of
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a new avionic comm system,
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making it easier
for us to directly
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communicate from the
aircraft to the ground.
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I'm gonna head back
over to the ranch.
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You guys get in the air.
We're burning daylight, right?
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- See you.
- All right, see you in a bit.
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ERIK: While I'm in the
plane above the ranch,
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the rest of the team will
be monitoring from below.
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I'm really excited
to see what happens
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during the course
of the experiment.
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THOMAS: I've got
these antennas running.
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- This is going out to the two jaggies.
- Okay.
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Once she gets over
here, we should, uh,
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see her start tracking on there.
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THOMAS: Okay.
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We're going to
monitor this experiment
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with a couple of
different systems.
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First, we have an ADSB.
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Now, that identifies
all the air traffic flying
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in the vicinity of the ranch
and shows them on a map.
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We've also mounted two antennas
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on the deck of the
command center.
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Those are pointed
at the triangle
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to track the signals being
broadcast from Kendra's plane
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as well as scan
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for any dangerous energy spikes
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like we've detected
there in the past.
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All right, great. Ah,
let me get this going.
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There it is, got it.
All right, both are...
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Both antennas and radios
are functioning properly.
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Hey, Kaleb.
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This is the command
center, do you copy?
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Go ahead.
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Start keeping an eye out,
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probably five to ten
minutes before we see them.
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10-4. You guys will
be the first to know.
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This may be them right
here 'cause this looks like...
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would this be
Roosevelt right here?
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No. So, Roosevelt
Airport is about right here.
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Oh, then why are we not
seeing their ADSB take off?
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I don't understand that.
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THOMAS: We're not getting them.
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TRAVIS: So, we need to make sure
that their, uh, ADSB is transponding.
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Even though the Cessna
was approaching the ranch,
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it never showed up
on the ADSB system.
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All the other air traffic in the
area appeared on the map,
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and I could see with
our antenna set up
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that she was still broadcasting.
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What could cause Kendra's plane
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not to show up on
the ADSB like that?
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It makes no sense.
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- Why are we not...
- We're not picking them up.
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Here.
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Hey, Erik, this is
Travis, do you copy?
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We-we are not seeing
you on the ADSB.
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I wonder if Kaleb's
gotten eyes on them.
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00:17:51,331 --> 00:17:52,767
Yeah, call Kaleb and ask him.
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00:17:56,249 --> 00:17:57,685
Go ahead.
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00:17:57,815 --> 00:17:59,774
Have you gotten
eyes on the plane yet?
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00:17:59,904 --> 00:18:01,950
10-4.
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00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:04,605
It's, uh, going over
the property now.
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THOMAS: What the
heck is going on up there?
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So... why are we
not picking her up?
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00:18:30,413 --> 00:18:32,067
Hey, Erik, it's Bryant.
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00:18:32,198 --> 00:18:36,245
We are still not picking
you up on the flight tracker.
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00:18:36,376 --> 00:18:40,423
Do you have any other
traffic on the display right now?
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- Tell him yes.
- Yes, we do.
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We are seeing all
sorts of air traffic.
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But she's broadcasting
on the ADSB.
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I'm watching her.
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This is her, right here
with both antennas.
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She's broadcasting...
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- Yeah, I can see that.
- TRAVIS: the signal.
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THOMAS: I mean,
this is picking up
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planes that are a
hundred miles away
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- and 30,000 feet up.
- TRAVIS: That doesn't...
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That doesn't make any sense.
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00:19:05,535 --> 00:19:08,321
I had antennas that were
tuned to that frequency,
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and I could pick up the signal
coming from the airplane,
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but for some reason
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her system isn't working.
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00:19:14,849 --> 00:19:17,068
This is what's so
weird about the ranch.
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One thing we do know is,
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uh, her system does
record the ADSB data,
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and even though
we will get a text file
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that we can reinterpret after
the flight, but I wanted it now.
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TRAVIS: It wasn't ideal,
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but we knew that Erik
was collecting GPS data
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and Kendra was
recording the ADSB data.
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We hoped that would be enough
to salvage some of this experiment.
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So should I still
keep going over or...?
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ERIK: Oh, yeah.
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Over the middle of the triangle.
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- All right.
- THOMAS: Got it.
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Wait, is that... There
they are. Right there, look.
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Thomas, in the middle.
Look in the middle.
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00:20:01,722 --> 00:20:03,002
- Look way up there.
- Okay, yup.
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00:20:03,114 --> 00:20:03,941
TRAVIS: There
they are, right there.
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00:20:04,072 --> 00:20:06,335
November 8-4-7-1-7,
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00:20:06,466 --> 00:20:08,555
could you tell us your
pressure altitude, please?
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TRAVIS: So, that's...
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Going up to 4,000
feet above ground level.
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00:20:15,692 --> 00:20:16,737
Gosh, she's moving fast.
447
00:20:18,434 --> 00:20:20,480
Thomas, I got them
coming in eastbound
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00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:21,916
over the triangle again.
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00:20:23,526 --> 00:20:25,069
TRAVIS: While Erik and
Kendra were continuing
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their pattern sweep
above the triangle,
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all we could do back
in the command center
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was just hope that they were
getting data that we could use.
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00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:36,017
Hopefully, the GPS
trackers are the saving grace
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for this experiment,
because we're not getting
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- what we want out of this.
- Yeah,
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I'm hoping I can salvage
something out of it.
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THOMAS: We have not had
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a single experiment
out at the triangle,
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00:20:45,592 --> 00:20:48,595
up in the air, that
has gone per plan.
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00:20:48,725 --> 00:20:50,988
So, what is it
about the triangle
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00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,817
and us trying to do
experiments at the triangle
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that seems to trigger,
you know, irregularities?
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00:20:56,733 --> 00:20:58,213
BRYANT: It seems
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like someone or
something, doesn't want us
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to collect data
from the triangle.
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00:21:05,176 --> 00:21:07,004
That's what it seems like.
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00:21:07,135 --> 00:21:08,963
It's a pattern.
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00:21:09,093 --> 00:21:10,533
It's certainly
making it hard for us.
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00:21:19,539 --> 00:21:20,975
Copy that.
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00:21:22,193 --> 00:21:24,370
[static buzzing]
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00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:26,807
[static continues]
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00:21:26,937 --> 00:21:29,157
What happened?
What the heck is that?
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00:21:31,638 --> 00:21:35,032
What just suddenly
popped up on... What?
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THOMAS: That 1.6.
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00:21:37,121 --> 00:21:38,882
BRYANT: It was there for a
couple seconds, now it's gone.
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00:21:38,906 --> 00:21:39,733
TRAVIS: It sure as heck was.
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00:21:39,863 --> 00:21:41,430
[static buzzing]
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00:21:55,879 --> 00:21:58,055
What are you hearing?
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00:21:58,186 --> 00:22:00,493
[static buzzing]
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00:22:06,237 --> 00:22:08,501
All right, what's going on?
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00:22:08,631 --> 00:22:10,348
- We're not broadcasting anything like that.
- TRAVIS: All right.
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00:22:10,372 --> 00:22:12,412
So, yeah, we're not
broadcasting anything like that.
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00:22:31,698 --> 00:22:35,658
Negative, Erik, there's,
uh, nothing within
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40, 50 miles of the ranch.
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00:22:40,271 --> 00:22:41,969
[static buzzing]
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00:22:42,099 --> 00:22:43,884
Is it another airplane?
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00:22:53,067 --> 00:22:55,504
TRAVIS: We were
all totally mystified
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00:22:55,635 --> 00:22:59,421
when both Erik and Kendra,
the pilot, suddenly reported
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00:22:59,552 --> 00:23:02,511
that some kind of shadow was
tracking along with the Cessna.
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00:23:02,642 --> 00:23:05,166
BRYANT: That's
extremely strange.
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00:23:05,296 --> 00:23:07,560
TRAVIS: We checked
our ADSB system
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and there was no
other plane in the area.
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00:23:10,127 --> 00:23:11,999
It immediately made
me think of last year
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00:23:12,129 --> 00:23:13,783
when Erik and I were
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00:23:13,914 --> 00:23:15,350
in the helicopter
with Cameron Fugal
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00:23:15,481 --> 00:23:17,831
over the triangle and
something showed up
497
00:23:17,961 --> 00:23:19,659
on his radar just
50 feet beneath us.
498
00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:22,531
[alert buzzing]
499
00:23:22,662 --> 00:23:24,822
There's something underneath
us according to the radar.
500
00:23:25,578 --> 00:23:27,928
That we later identified
in camera footage
501
00:23:28,058 --> 00:23:30,583
as some kind of shadowy UAP.
502
00:23:31,714 --> 00:23:34,021
THOMAS: Kaleb, do you have eyes
503
00:23:34,151 --> 00:23:35,326
on a second aircraft?
504
00:23:35,457 --> 00:23:37,764
I am scanning now.
505
00:23:43,726 --> 00:23:46,512
TRAVIS: Look at that.
The 1.6 is going crazy.
506
00:23:46,642 --> 00:23:49,253
-[static buzzing] -I
don't know what that is.
507
00:23:50,951 --> 00:23:53,257
TRAVIS: In the middle of
all this chaos, once again
508
00:23:53,388 --> 00:23:56,652
the spectrum analyzer suddenly
registered an RF radiation spike
509
00:23:56,783 --> 00:24:00,308
at a frequency of 1.6 gigahertz.
510
00:24:00,439 --> 00:24:02,441
Now, that's the same
kind of energy spike
511
00:24:02,571 --> 00:24:06,749
we've seen over and over when
UAPs have appeared in the past.
512
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,057
And it happened at the same
time Erik and Kendra were seeing
513
00:24:10,187 --> 00:24:12,363
the shadow of some
sort of mysterious aircraft.
514
00:24:12,494 --> 00:24:14,801
[static buzzing]
515
00:24:18,369 --> 00:24:19,521
TRAVIS [echoes]: What is that?
516
00:24:19,545 --> 00:24:21,460
[echoes]: What the heck?
517
00:24:22,548 --> 00:24:23,766
What?
518
00:24:24,898 --> 00:24:26,813
Why is that picking us up?
519
00:24:28,031 --> 00:24:30,077
TRAVIS: Uh... It's
picking us all up.
520
00:24:30,207 --> 00:24:33,080
Just after the 1.6
gigahertz RF spike
521
00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:36,518
in the control room, we
suddenly heard our own voices
522
00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:40,043
being broadcast and
echoing back at us.
523
00:24:40,174 --> 00:24:42,481
Call them and tell them
to give me the signal.
524
00:24:45,396 --> 00:24:48,356
[echoing]: Stand by, stand
by for one moment, please.
525
00:24:48,487 --> 00:24:50,595
TRAVIS: There's no way
that should have been possible.
526
00:24:50,619 --> 00:24:52,360
It was like we
were being recorded
527
00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:55,058
by someone or
something in real time.
528
00:24:55,189 --> 00:24:56,495
[static buzzing]
529
00:24:56,625 --> 00:24:58,497
[echoing]: Maybe it's in here.
530
00:25:06,635 --> 00:25:08,942
TRAVIS [echoing]: That
is telling us that one of us
531
00:25:09,072 --> 00:25:13,773
is broadcasting at
1.623800 gigahertz.
532
00:25:13,903 --> 00:25:16,558
That is really odd.
533
00:25:18,038 --> 00:25:20,388
Erik and I have been
having a conversation lately
534
00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:22,477
that we think that
there could be
535
00:25:22,608 --> 00:25:25,262
an eavesdropping device here.
536
00:25:26,699 --> 00:25:29,397
Maybe we've been detecting
it with the spectrum analyzers.
537
00:25:29,528 --> 00:25:31,268
And it...
538
00:25:31,399 --> 00:25:32,879
That might be it.
539
00:25:33,009 --> 00:25:34,620
Really?
540
00:25:34,750 --> 00:25:36,491
And so, somebody
is turning it on and off
541
00:25:36,622 --> 00:25:38,754
which is why we're
not seeing it all the time.
542
00:25:38,885 --> 00:25:41,017
Possibly.
543
00:25:41,148 --> 00:25:43,716
The strange energy spike
along with the sound frequency
544
00:25:43,846 --> 00:25:46,283
from the radio and
our voices being
545
00:25:46,414 --> 00:25:49,330
broadcast and echoing
back at us could mean
546
00:25:49,460 --> 00:25:51,637
that we are being
surveilled on the ranch.
547
00:25:51,767 --> 00:25:54,988
But what I can't
even begin to explain,
548
00:25:55,118 --> 00:25:57,207
especially given that
Erik and Kendra saw
549
00:25:57,338 --> 00:25:59,340
what they believed to be a UAP,
550
00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:02,169
is what the source of
that surveillance could be.
551
00:26:02,299 --> 00:26:04,339
I'm gonna walk outside and
see if somehow it's on me
552
00:26:04,388 --> 00:26:05,999
and then maybe
you guys take turns.
553
00:26:06,129 --> 00:26:09,437
So, you go out and talk.
554
00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:11,570
- TRAVIS: Right.
- We'll listen for you.
555
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:14,020
- Okay. Yep.
- And then we can send him out there with you.
556
00:26:16,313 --> 00:26:19,752
Hello, can you guys hear
me? Hello, testing, testing...
557
00:26:19,882 --> 00:26:21,492
- Well, we can hear him.
- Yeah.
558
00:26:21,623 --> 00:26:22,948
BRYANT: This has
me really concerned.
559
00:26:22,972 --> 00:26:25,061
The fact that
560
00:26:25,192 --> 00:26:29,196
there is something or someone
that could be listening to us
561
00:26:29,326 --> 00:26:32,591
and actually broadcasting
our sound back to us again?
562
00:26:34,244 --> 00:26:35,594
Why is this happening?
563
00:26:35,724 --> 00:26:38,248
So, we could still
hear you outside.
564
00:26:38,379 --> 00:26:39,989
Huh.
565
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,383
BRYANT: Testing,
testing, testing.
566
00:26:42,513 --> 00:26:45,821
Are you guys picking me
up at all? Testing, testing.
567
00:26:45,952 --> 00:26:48,737
THOMAS: The most
troubling thing for me
568
00:26:48,868 --> 00:26:51,871
was hearing Travis, Bryant
569
00:26:52,001 --> 00:26:54,743
and myself being broadcast
over this frequency.
570
00:26:54,874 --> 00:26:56,832
What in the crap does that mean?
571
00:26:56,963 --> 00:26:58,355
THOMAS: I've said before,
572
00:26:58,486 --> 00:27:00,749
is there not any safe
place on the ranch?
573
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,318
I would say now, is there
any private place on the ranch?
574
00:27:07,451 --> 00:27:09,062
TRAVIS: The signal stopped.
575
00:27:10,454 --> 00:27:12,456
- What have we played with?
- What just happened?
576
00:27:12,587 --> 00:27:15,285
TRAVIS: That was really odd.
577
00:27:15,416 --> 00:27:17,636
So, we are descending now...
578
00:27:31,432 --> 00:27:32,781
We were getting
this interference
579
00:27:32,912 --> 00:27:34,783
on our, on our comms.
580
00:27:37,917 --> 00:27:39,875
BRYANT: Erik, I don't like that.
581
00:27:40,006 --> 00:27:43,531
I would advise that you come
down, from a safety standpoint.
582
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,846
Head on back to
the airport from there.
583
00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:04,857
Well, they're done. That's it.
584
00:28:04,987 --> 00:28:06,312
They're headed
back to the airport.
585
00:28:06,336 --> 00:28:07,860
Erik's still got the handheld
586
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:09,644
if we want to talk
to him on his way,
587
00:28:09,775 --> 00:28:11,535
but they'll be at the airport
in five or ten minutes.
588
00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:13,213
All right.
589
00:28:13,343 --> 00:28:15,041
TRAVIS: The main bit of data
590
00:28:15,171 --> 00:28:17,304
that we're really
looking forward to
591
00:28:17,434 --> 00:28:19,915
is the GPS data
that Erik and I put
592
00:28:20,046 --> 00:28:22,309
in the plane, it's
collecting it real time
593
00:28:22,439 --> 00:28:24,790
on the computer so we
know it's actually working.
594
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,531
And when he gets on the
ground and we crunch that,
595
00:28:27,662 --> 00:28:31,492
we're gonna be able to
create a GPS anomaly map
596
00:28:31,622 --> 00:28:33,886
over the entire ranch
from a thousand feet
597
00:28:34,016 --> 00:28:35,844
to 6,000 feet
above ground level.
598
00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:39,128
They'll be there
before I get there,
599
00:28:39,152 --> 00:28:40,259
so I probably need to get going.
600
00:28:40,283 --> 00:28:41,720
- Okay.
- Okay.
601
00:28:44,897 --> 00:28:46,725
♪
602
00:28:52,861 --> 00:28:54,515
- TOM: Well, hey, Jon.
- Hey, hello.
603
00:28:54,645 --> 00:28:56,560
TOM: After meeting
604
00:28:56,691 --> 00:28:58,911
with Jon at McConkie, it
was obvious that he needed
605
00:28:59,041 --> 00:29:00,869
to come to Skinwalker Ranch.
606
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,305
His interpretation
607
00:29:02,436 --> 00:29:03,785
of the petroglyphs
and pictographs
608
00:29:03,916 --> 00:29:06,179
that are up on the
walls at McConkie Ranch
609
00:29:06,309 --> 00:29:09,530
could be really interesting
to Erik and Travis.
610
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:12,141
There's a lot of similarities
in what we saw there
611
00:29:12,272 --> 00:29:14,622
and then there are
some things here that
612
00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:16,102
I've never seen
before and we hope
613
00:29:16,232 --> 00:29:17,538
you can give us some insight on.
614
00:29:17,668 --> 00:29:19,279
Right, I'd love to see them.
615
00:29:19,409 --> 00:29:21,760
Let's jump in the
Ranger and head down.
616
00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:28,201
KANDUS: We've found
a strange notable location
617
00:29:28,331 --> 00:29:29,768
on top of the mesa,
618
00:29:29,898 --> 00:29:31,508
and we are hoping
to get his take
619
00:29:31,639 --> 00:29:32,901
on what it is.
620
00:29:33,032 --> 00:29:34,816
TOM: So, it is just right
621
00:29:34,947 --> 00:29:38,037
kind of at the top of this
mesa, so it's a little bit of a hike.
622
00:29:39,255 --> 00:29:40,735
KANDUS: It's
important that we explore
623
00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:42,302
what all these sites could mean
624
00:29:42,432 --> 00:29:46,132
in the bigger
picture of the ranch.
625
00:29:47,524 --> 00:29:50,919
TOM: Yeah, so, this spot
is some sort of mound.
626
00:29:53,704 --> 00:29:55,794
JON: Absolutely amazing.
627
00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:01,190
TOM: The fact that
there's all of these stones
628
00:30:01,321 --> 00:30:04,715
around what seems to
be some sort of mound
629
00:30:04,846 --> 00:30:06,892
in the very middle.
630
00:30:07,022 --> 00:30:09,111
What do you think?
631
00:30:09,242 --> 00:30:12,767
JON: I get the sense that
this is something sacred here.
632
00:30:12,898 --> 00:30:14,856
That it was purpose-built.
633
00:30:14,987 --> 00:30:17,119
I was gonna make a suggestion.
634
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:18,686
- KANDUS: Mm-hmm.
- JON: Um...
635
00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:22,733
In a lot of native
cultures, your...
636
00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:26,694
you approach things
from a clockwise direction.
637
00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:31,177
So, uh, what I'd like to do is
approach this and go around
638
00:30:31,307 --> 00:30:33,005
in a clockwise manner
639
00:30:33,135 --> 00:30:34,963
- and take a look at things.
- Okay.
640
00:30:35,094 --> 00:30:39,794
It's just a sign of respect
on any type of sacred site
641
00:30:39,925 --> 00:30:43,058
and we just want
to honor that here.
642
00:30:43,189 --> 00:30:47,019
If you go counterclockwise,
it's kind of a negative thing.
643
00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:49,509
- KANDUS: Let's do that.
- Yeah, why don't you lead the way?
644
00:30:52,111 --> 00:30:54,635
JON: We got up to the
top of the mesa there
645
00:30:54,765 --> 00:30:57,072
and to me it looked almost like
646
00:30:57,203 --> 00:30:59,814
a Stonehenge-type structure
647
00:30:59,945 --> 00:31:02,773
with these rocks in a
circular pattern around there.
648
00:31:02,904 --> 00:31:06,299
Traditional beliefs
with the Navajo are
649
00:31:06,429 --> 00:31:08,736
something that is brought
up when you're a child.
650
00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:10,433
You grow up
651
00:31:10,564 --> 00:31:12,044
in that there is a
certain way to act,
652
00:31:12,174 --> 00:31:13,828
there is a certain
way to do things
653
00:31:13,959 --> 00:31:19,051
and so, you would start
and go clockwise around it
654
00:31:19,181 --> 00:31:24,012
and come back to it to complete
the circle before you entered.
655
00:31:24,143 --> 00:31:28,364
Um, that's just traditional...
Most native tribes.
656
00:31:28,495 --> 00:31:30,801
KANDUS: So, I want to
stop and show you something
657
00:31:30,932 --> 00:31:33,021
on this boulder.
658
00:31:33,152 --> 00:31:37,504
Maybe you want to step
over and look at it here yourself
659
00:31:37,634 --> 00:31:40,724
for just a minute, but
there were a few things...
660
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:44,250
that seemed worth noting.
661
00:31:46,339 --> 00:31:47,818
What do you think of those?
662
00:31:47,949 --> 00:31:53,041
What I'm seeing here
is four distinct lines
663
00:31:53,172 --> 00:31:55,522
that are carved into this rock
664
00:31:55,652 --> 00:31:58,177
and, uh, typically,
665
00:31:58,307 --> 00:32:00,483
they could be marking
periods of time.
666
00:32:00,614 --> 00:32:02,529
We don't know what the time was.
667
00:32:02,659 --> 00:32:04,768
- And then...
- And around the side there, you'll see...
668
00:32:04,792 --> 00:32:06,228
You see right where
you're standing.
669
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:08,317
- You see that little...
- Yeah.
670
00:32:08,448 --> 00:32:11,625
We understand the
erosion here, but that hole...
671
00:32:12,626 --> 00:32:14,933
- Right.
- KANDUS: Yeah, so...
672
00:32:16,847 --> 00:32:18,719
That looks like it
could be natural?
673
00:32:18,849 --> 00:32:22,766
Well, this one, uh, if
you... if you sight through it,
674
00:32:22,897 --> 00:32:24,697
- it's right on the horizon.
- KANDUS: Mm-hmm.
675
00:32:24,768 --> 00:32:26,596
JON: When you're looking at it.
676
00:32:26,727 --> 00:32:29,860
And during spring and fall,
677
00:32:29,991 --> 00:32:32,341
when the sun rises,
678
00:32:32,472 --> 00:32:34,474
it-it comes straight
through this hole.
679
00:32:34,604 --> 00:32:36,519
TOM: Yeah.
680
00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:38,608
So, what do you believe this is?
681
00:32:38,739 --> 00:32:40,959
- This place?
- This is, uh,
682
00:32:41,089 --> 00:32:42,961
is rather interesting.
683
00:32:43,091 --> 00:32:46,268
Uh, when I see mounds like this,
684
00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:49,619
it could be a holy place.
685
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:52,361
I'm thinking here's a place
686
00:32:52,492 --> 00:32:54,276
where prayers were offered.
687
00:32:54,407 --> 00:32:55,669
A sacred place.
688
00:32:57,627 --> 00:32:59,542
I believe that this
area was used
689
00:32:59,673 --> 00:33:02,502
as a talisman to keep
the evil on that side.
690
00:33:11,641 --> 00:33:12,207
That's incredible.
691
00:33:12,338 --> 00:33:13,469
Hmm.
692
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,470
JON: I'm thinking there's
693
00:33:14,601 --> 00:33:16,603
definitely something here.
694
00:33:16,733 --> 00:33:19,127
And I-I just, I can...
695
00:33:19,258 --> 00:33:21,521
- I can feel it in my bones, you know?
- TOM: Mm-hmm.
696
00:33:21,651 --> 00:33:22,913
Yeah.
697
00:33:23,044 --> 00:33:24,324
JON: Well, let's continue around
698
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:26,613
- and complete the circle.
- KANDUS: Okay.
699
00:33:26,743 --> 00:33:29,616
JON: Looking at this place
in its entirety, it struck me
700
00:33:29,746 --> 00:33:31,879
as a holy place.
701
00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:36,362
It could have been used as
some kind of protection ceremony
702
00:33:36,492 --> 00:33:40,670
to keep whatever is historically
here on Skinwalker Ranch
703
00:33:40,801 --> 00:33:44,239
from traveling over the mesa.
704
00:33:44,370 --> 00:33:48,504
And we have basically
a spiral right here...
705
00:33:49,853 --> 00:33:53,988
that's been put
into this ground here.
706
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,513
TOM: And as we've
seen today at McConkie
707
00:33:57,644 --> 00:33:59,472
and maybe here, that spiral
708
00:33:59,602 --> 00:34:01,300
is indicative of...
709
00:34:01,430 --> 00:34:04,390
A portal, a dimensional
rift, an opening.
710
00:34:06,392 --> 00:34:09,395
JON: The ancient people
that populated this land
711
00:34:09,525 --> 00:34:11,658
knew of this place.
712
00:34:11,788 --> 00:34:15,401
There's evil there, there is
something that can kill you,
713
00:34:15,531 --> 00:34:20,014
whether it's skinwalkers or
some kind of malignant power.
714
00:34:20,145 --> 00:34:21,885
So, it doesn't strike me
715
00:34:22,016 --> 00:34:26,716
as unusual, this spiritual
idea, this warding off
716
00:34:26,847 --> 00:34:28,457
of what could come that way.
717
00:34:28,588 --> 00:34:30,024
TOM: So, Jon,
718
00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:31,982
you've enlightened us so much
719
00:34:32,113 --> 00:34:34,202
and given us so
much more to work on,
720
00:34:34,333 --> 00:34:36,248
and added greatly to
our investigation, so...
721
00:34:36,378 --> 00:34:38,424
- Well, good, good. I'm glad.
- Yeah.
722
00:34:38,554 --> 00:34:40,252
Thank you for
having me out here.
723
00:34:40,382 --> 00:34:43,385
Thank you for coming and
spending this much time with us.
724
00:34:43,516 --> 00:34:44,778
Yeah, let's head back down.
725
00:34:54,962 --> 00:34:56,703
ERIK: We're going
to take a look at
726
00:34:56,833 --> 00:35:00,707
the data that we got out of
the experiment with the Cessna.
727
00:35:00,837 --> 00:35:02,883
I've got our own data.
728
00:35:03,013 --> 00:35:04,798
We also have some
data from the pilot.
729
00:35:04,928 --> 00:35:06,669
Oh, good.
730
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,480
TRAVIS: The day after
our Cessna experiment
731
00:35:08,541 --> 00:35:11,674
over the triangle, Erik
has all the data sorted out.
732
00:35:11,805 --> 00:35:14,286
So, we're eager to see
what he was able to collect,
733
00:35:14,416 --> 00:35:17,202
given all the bizarre things
that happened during the flight.
734
00:35:17,332 --> 00:35:19,465
I'm glad that you had
instruments on board
735
00:35:19,595 --> 00:35:20,790
because we got
bubkes of data here.
736
00:35:20,814 --> 00:35:22,685
Right.
737
00:35:22,816 --> 00:35:24,818
Now, I know, during the
course of the experiment,
738
00:35:24,948 --> 00:35:28,387
we could never pick
her up on the radar.
739
00:35:28,517 --> 00:35:29,668
You're talking about
the ADSB receiver?
740
00:35:29,692 --> 00:35:31,390
- Yeah.
- THOMAS: Yeah.
741
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,001
Yeah, we saw you leave
Roosevelt and go back to Roosevelt,
742
00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:35,698
- but that's it.
- ERIK: Right after
743
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:37,961
all the frustrations I know
we had on the ground.
744
00:35:38,092 --> 00:35:40,921
I mean, the stuff that I got
out of the actual data logging,
745
00:35:41,051 --> 00:35:42,531
it's really perplexing.
746
00:35:42,662 --> 00:35:44,316
Get this.
747
00:35:44,446 --> 00:35:45,966
These little guys,
they receive signals
748
00:35:46,013 --> 00:35:47,493
directly from the satellites.
749
00:35:47,623 --> 00:35:49,059
They're GPS tracker units.
750
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:51,975
I had five of these
things on the flight.
751
00:35:52,106 --> 00:35:56,676
The data from four of the five
was either absent or garbled.
752
00:35:56,806 --> 00:35:58,330
And get this.
753
00:35:58,460 --> 00:36:00,767
The one that
worked, it's flawless.
754
00:36:00,897 --> 00:36:03,378
This is really suggestive
755
00:36:03,509 --> 00:36:05,511
that there is something
locally going on here.
756
00:36:06,468 --> 00:36:07,556
TRAVIS: Well, let's see it.
757
00:36:07,687 --> 00:36:09,689
Yeah, let me bring this up.
758
00:36:14,824 --> 00:36:17,218
ERIK: So, here we are
at the Roosevelt airstrip.
759
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:19,089
And we did, just as planned,
760
00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:22,832
we did several altitudes
making those S-turns
761
00:36:22,963 --> 00:36:25,748
and, uh, doing what we
call the push broom pattern.
762
00:36:25,879 --> 00:36:28,403
TRAVIS: So, you said that
her system data-logged...
763
00:36:28,534 --> 00:36:30,425
- ERIK: Uh-huh.
- Uh, on board. So, what did it show?
764
00:36:30,449 --> 00:36:31,885
You're not going
to believe this.
765
00:36:32,015 --> 00:36:35,497
So, this is what
one of our units got.
766
00:36:35,628 --> 00:36:39,109
- And as I said, it looks pristine.
- TRAVIS: It really does.
767
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:40,565
THOMAS: I don't
see anything in that,
768
00:36:40,589 --> 00:36:42,189
that looks like
anything jumped out of...
769
00:36:42,287 --> 00:36:43,766
BRYANT: I mean, yeah.
770
00:36:43,897 --> 00:36:45,396
Now, you guys are
not gonna believe this.
771
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:47,683
Let me show you what
I received from Kendra.
772
00:36:51,339 --> 00:36:53,254
BRYANT: Uh... is
that under the ranch?
773
00:36:53,385 --> 00:36:55,038
ERIK: So, yeah. I
need to explain this.
774
00:36:55,169 --> 00:36:56,344
TRAVIS: Look at that.
775
00:36:56,475 --> 00:36:57,737
- Uh-huh.
- That's interesting.
776
00:36:57,867 --> 00:36:59,304
ERIK: Just as you saw
777
00:36:59,434 --> 00:37:01,871
with the yellow tracks
from our trackers,
778
00:37:02,002 --> 00:37:04,309
uh, you see the flight out.
779
00:37:04,439 --> 00:37:06,311
- Mm-hmm.
- Okay?
780
00:37:06,441 --> 00:37:08,226
She's taking this path.
781
00:37:08,356 --> 00:37:11,794
We execute one loop, if
you will, over the property
782
00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:13,231
and then everything falls apart.
783
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,364
[scoffs]
784
00:37:16,495 --> 00:37:19,367
Many of the altitude readings
785
00:37:19,498 --> 00:37:21,717
that she reported were
786
00:37:21,848 --> 00:37:25,243
far beneath the ground;
in fact, beneath sea level.
787
00:37:28,333 --> 00:37:30,335
And not just beneath
sea level, but 62 and a half
788
00:37:30,465 --> 00:37:31,901
miles below sea level.
789
00:37:37,211 --> 00:37:39,169
- TRAVIS: 62 and a half miles?
- ERIK: Yes.
790
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:43,478
62 and a half miles is
the altitude above sea level
791
00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:47,700
that is considered
the von Kármán line
792
00:37:47,830 --> 00:37:49,310
where you go from
atmosphere to space.
793
00:37:50,659 --> 00:37:52,705
THOMAS: And that's
exactly 62 and a half?
794
00:37:52,835 --> 00:37:54,663
And this is-is exactly
62 and a half miles.
795
00:37:54,794 --> 00:37:56,578
So, why did this choose
62 and a half miles
796
00:37:56,709 --> 00:37:58,058
under the ground?
797
00:37:58,188 --> 00:38:00,365
What do you get
when you go there?
798
00:38:00,495 --> 00:38:03,019
That is weird, though.
799
00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:05,500
But this also is not
the first time we've had
800
00:38:05,631 --> 00:38:08,677
- GPS telling instrumentation that it's underground.
- ERIK: Below ground.
801
00:38:08,808 --> 00:38:10,728
- I know. That's right.
- ERIK: That's the point.
802
00:38:10,766 --> 00:38:14,161
ERIK: These blue
cubes appear to be
803
00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:17,033
70 feet below the
surface of the mesa.
804
00:38:17,164 --> 00:38:18,513
TRAVIS: Two weeks ago,
805
00:38:18,644 --> 00:38:20,472
when we flew up
into the mile-high zone
806
00:38:20,602 --> 00:38:22,735
above the triangle in
Brandon's helicopter,
807
00:38:22,865 --> 00:38:26,913
our GPS data indicated
that we flew into the mesa
808
00:38:27,043 --> 00:38:29,394
and traveled through it
for several hundred feet.
809
00:38:29,524 --> 00:38:31,570
It looks like you
smashed into the mesa.
810
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:33,833
What the heck?
811
00:38:33,963 --> 00:38:37,880
TRAVIS: Now, this new GPS
data collected over the same zone
812
00:38:38,011 --> 00:38:40,056
above the triangle indicates
813
00:38:40,187 --> 00:38:43,016
that the Cessna went
into and below the mesa
814
00:38:43,146 --> 00:38:47,194
the same distance that it is
from sea level to outer space.
815
00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:49,631
What in the hell could
that possibly mean?
816
00:38:49,762 --> 00:38:51,720
BRYANT: Given this,
817
00:38:51,851 --> 00:38:54,201
and especially the
fact that it seems like
818
00:38:54,332 --> 00:38:55,768
we're being monitored out here,
819
00:38:55,898 --> 00:38:57,683
with that strange
820
00:38:57,813 --> 00:39:00,555
projecting of our
voices remotely,
821
00:39:00,686 --> 00:39:04,429
it's definitely a
security issue and so,
822
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:06,145
I'm going to let Brandon
know what's going on
823
00:39:06,169 --> 00:39:07,736
and I'm sure he's
going to be curious
824
00:39:07,867 --> 00:39:09,782
to know what's going
on with the data as well.
825
00:39:09,912 --> 00:39:13,089
You know, I'm trying to
think of other ways to look
826
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:15,657
at this anomaly other
than just GPS systems.
827
00:39:15,788 --> 00:39:18,312
What if we got some telescopes
828
00:39:18,443 --> 00:39:20,967
and we looked
through the anomaly,
829
00:39:21,097 --> 00:39:23,099
and if it is some sort
830
00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:24,840
of optical or
gravitational anomaly,
831
00:39:24,971 --> 00:39:27,669
our atmosphere should change.
832
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,237
And it should change in a
way that it's not supposed to.
833
00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:32,761
And then, we would measure,
"Hey, look, there's something,
834
00:39:32,892 --> 00:39:35,590
an anomaly there,"
and that would be data.
835
00:39:36,765 --> 00:39:39,289
Well, I'm going
to go call Brandon.
836
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:41,248
Yeah, I'll reach out
to the astronomy guys.
837
00:39:42,423 --> 00:39:43,729
TRAVIS: That's cool stuff, Erik.
838
00:39:46,253 --> 00:39:48,386
ERIK: Previous
researchers have commented
839
00:39:48,516 --> 00:39:50,953
that theirs is the impression
that the ranch phenomenology
840
00:39:51,084 --> 00:39:53,478
responds, if not anticipates,
841
00:39:53,608 --> 00:39:55,480
the experiments that
they have attempted,
842
00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:58,134
and we do see
some support for that
843
00:39:58,265 --> 00:40:00,006
in our experience
here over the years.
844
00:40:00,136 --> 00:40:02,356
Perhaps what we're
seeing with the ADSB
845
00:40:02,487 --> 00:40:06,752
transponder data receiver is
an example of that interference.
846
00:40:08,493 --> 00:40:12,540
TRAVIS: There are so many
GPS anomalies that we're seeing.
847
00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:17,632
There could be actually
some advanced physics
848
00:40:17,763 --> 00:40:19,721
like you would see
in science fiction,
849
00:40:19,852 --> 00:40:21,984
or like the stories of
portals opening up.
850
00:40:22,115 --> 00:40:24,900
Now, if that's the case,
we could be on the edge
851
00:40:25,031 --> 00:40:26,946
of some amazing discoveries.
852
00:40:28,295 --> 00:40:30,253
BRANDON: Even
with continued events
853
00:40:30,384 --> 00:40:33,126
occurring at the triangle,
we have setbacks.
854
00:40:33,256 --> 00:40:36,346
It seems like something
continues to push back on us
855
00:40:36,477 --> 00:40:38,131
and create obstacles.
856
00:40:38,261 --> 00:40:42,440
I think that just makes the
team more determined than ever
857
00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:46,444
to try to find out
what is behind
858
00:40:46,574 --> 00:40:48,184
a lot of the strange activity
859
00:40:48,315 --> 00:40:50,143
on Skinwalker Ranch.
860
00:40:55,801 --> 00:40:58,107
We would like to look
through the anomaly
861
00:40:58,238 --> 00:41:00,109
at an astronomical object
862
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,372
and see if they seem obscured.
863
00:41:02,503 --> 00:41:05,201
THOMAS: Erik, the cows have
scattered through the entire field.
864
00:41:05,332 --> 00:41:07,682
Something's
definitely scared them.
865
00:41:07,813 --> 00:41:09,815
TRAVIS: What the
hell is that in the sky?
866
00:41:09,945 --> 00:41:12,010
- CHUCK: That thing is big and spherical.
- TRAVIS: Yes, it is.
867
00:41:12,034 --> 00:41:14,036
- It's got a black dot in the center of it.
- What?
868
00:41:14,167 --> 00:41:16,430
There is something I'd
like to get your eyes on.
869
00:41:16,561 --> 00:41:18,147
- TRAVIS: Whoa! What was that?
- ERIK: There, there.
870
00:41:18,171 --> 00:41:19,999
TRAVIS: That's the
brightest thing in the sky.
871
00:41:20,023 --> 00:41:22,023
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