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Narrator: Previously on
the thing about Pam...
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Something happened, minnie.
Something terrible.
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There's been a murder.
A big one.
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Textbook spousal homicide.
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I can't see my dad,
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andlwineversee my mom again.
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I didn't do this.
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What about that Pam lady?
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She was the last one
to see Betsy alive.
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Janet was practically begging
me to handle the money.
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I bet you'll get that facelift
you've been wanting.
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Narrator: Who is Pam hupp?
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Mother, wife, philanthropist,
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and now, star witness?
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Of course, if you ask her,
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she's all of these,
and so much more.
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We've been waiting for you.
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Let me sail, let me sail
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all pams rise.
Court is now in session.
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Let me reach, let me beach
on the shores of Tripoli
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let me sail, let me sail
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sail away, sail away sail away
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You're talking in your sleep.
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Oh. Yeah, it's the trial.
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You're gonna do great.
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I know I am,
but what about everyone else?
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Askey, judge mennemeyer,
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all the hoosiers on the jury.
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I wish there was
more of me to go around.
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Now, we'd all be better off
with more pams.
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Kiss-ass.
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Narrator: The pressure was on.
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The trial loomed close.
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But could Pam be
everywhere at once?
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So Pam and Betsy called Mark
at 7:04 pm.
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From Betsy's driveway,
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and then Pam says
she called Betsy
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21 minutes later to say
that she was home.
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That's not possible.
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No, and now
we can prove it. Look.
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The cell map shows that Pam
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was less than three miles
from Betsy's house
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when she made that second call.
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So she not only lied about
when she left the message...
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Pam could have been calling
from inside the house.
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We got her.
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Something's still not right.
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I mean, askey gives us
a cell map
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two days before the trial, we still
haven't seen any luminol photos.
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Yeah, we knew to ask for those.
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So what's the other shoe?
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The murder slippers?
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No, we have photos
of the murder slippers.
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They're in the...
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When's the other shoe
gonna drop?
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I got it.
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Yeah, you're no fun.
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Ooh.
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Ooh.
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Do you know they won't let me in
the courtroom until I take the stand?
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Some kinda rule or something.
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You'll still be on TV, right?
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You know what kills me?
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That lawyer can say
whatever about Betsy,
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and I can't do a thing about it.
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Well, you're still
gonna be on TV, right?
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Good. Yes, min, probably.
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Mark and Travis have to work,
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and I'd ask Sarah to go,
but she's busy too.
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I just wish I could know
what's happening.
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I could stand up for you.
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Oh, I don't know.
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Are you sure?
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Oh, I've always wanted
to be a spy.
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I could wear a wig!
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No, just text me
what's going on,
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especially if Schwartz is talking
about me and Betsy, okay?
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You got it.
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Okay.
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You got it.
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You know...
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His associate, he called me.
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He wanted to know if your car
was in the driveway
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the night
Betsy was killed, and...
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Well, you know it was.
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I know. That's what I told him.
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But, you know, I didn't
see it exactly
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because I was watching
the biggest loser.
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He's desperate, min.
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But that doesn't mean
that he can go harassing you.
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Okay.
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I'll take care of it.
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Ugh.
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Whoa.
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Order whatever you want.
It's on me.
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I work here.
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I'm so glad we could find
a meeting place
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that was so convenient for you.
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How are you?
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You holding up all right?
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I'm... I'm just broke.
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Pam says we can't get our
money until our mom's trial's over.
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Can... can she even do that?
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I wouldn't worry about Pam.
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She's just trying to do
what she can
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to help your family getjustice.
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God, if... if my dad
goes to prison, um...
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Look, I know you love your dad.
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But I also know
you love your mom,
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and you want to do right by her.
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What do you mean?
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Well, I mean by testifying.
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For your mom.
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But how can you even be sure
it was him?
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I'm sorry.
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Everything I've got
points to Russ.
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I have mountains of evidence.
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And you're gonna hear it all
during the trial.
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Okay, so why do you need me?
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Well, I have to prove
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that someone committed a crime.
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And I would hate to force you
to have to testify.
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What are you gonna get?
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I don't... I don't know.
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Narrator: As the case grew
ever warmer,
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the story traveled,
as stories will.
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And a television producer
in Chicago caught the scent.
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Her name, Cathy singer.
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Apologies for the messages,
Ms. Askey,
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but we'd really love the
chance to speak with you.
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Again, this is Cathy singer
with dateline.
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You have my number. Thanks.
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Whitney! You there?
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Would you mind
finding the number
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of the defense attorney for me?
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It's Schwartz something.
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And see what you can dig up
on Pamela hupp.
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The papers say she was the
last person to see the victim alive.
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Will do. The prosecutor
hasn't returned my calls yet.
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Hasn't picked up mine either.
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Okay. No, no, yeah.
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Now grab it. Grab it.
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Grab it! Grab it!
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I want to play
something else, mom.
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This one cheats.
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No, no, no, no, honey, we
already have tokens in this machine.
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Come on, give it another go.
Let's go.
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There's a...
There's a trick to it.
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Oh, Chris, good. You want help?
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Yeah, we could use your help.
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Okay. Let me at it.
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Cold. Cold, cold.
These are gonna be tighter.
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Bring it down.
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Pam: Well, he's scaring
the neighbors.
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Don't know what to tell 'em.
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He's just desperate. I know.
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Yeah, he's picking on you
to confuse the jury.
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Yeah.
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I told the whole block
that he'd say anything
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to make his money.
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Well, I'd put his money on us.
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See the lady
at the claw machine?
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Oh, we got it. That's ourjudge.
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Our kids are on
the same softball team.
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No way.
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Way. I know, I've known her
since tenth grade.
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We used to call her cankles.
They did.
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They called her cankles, not me.
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She's a good woman.
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God-fearing. A mother like us.
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Thank god.
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Oh, yeah. She's gonna see
right through Schwartz.
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Don't worry.
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Here. Join the party!
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Russell. Hey.
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These should keep you occupied.
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Volume two. You remembered.
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Yeah.
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So, we got the prosecution's
witness list.
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They're calling Lily and Mariah.
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You haven't been in touch
with them at all, right?
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Well, calling them first
tells us her strategy.
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She's gonna be going
after your character.
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They're gonna try
to make you out
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to be the kind of guy who
would do something like this.
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Every fight, every argument, every
misunderstanding, they're gonna bring it up.
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And we're gonna have to rebut
your daughters' testimonies.
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So anything you got would help.
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Any history of lying
or shoplifting?
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I don't know.
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I'm not gonna do that.
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And they won't say
anything bad about me.
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I was good to them.
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You're facing life in prison.
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They're not perfect,
but I'm innocent.
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We shouldn't need to
throw my kids under the bus.
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I know. I know you love 'em.
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And they know it.
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But the stakes are
simply too high.
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So askeyjust filed six motions.
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Yeah. What? Today?
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It's the other shoe.
The, uh, other, other one.
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Not murder slipper one.
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Do I even want to ask?
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You don't, you didn't,
but I'm gonna tell you.
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The largest shoe is
her motion to block
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any implication
that Pam hupp was involved.
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That's a hail Mary.
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The judge dismissed it
out of hand, right?
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She wants to hear
all the motions
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tomorrow, 7:00 am, in chambers.
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Guys, what's that mean?
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Well, it looks like we're facing
a homecourt advantage, Russ.
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Leah and the judge
go all the way back.
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And ifaskey can prevent us
from showing
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whatever it is
that we have on Pam...
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We're in trouble?
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No, no, no. We're fine.
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Mr. Schwartz, you're known for
representing murderers and drug dealers.
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Does that mean
that Russ faria's guilty?
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Russ is an innocent man.
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I just want to see
justice prevail.
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Chocolate almond butter
cookie cup?
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They're gluten-free.
Ooh, no thanks.
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Yeah.
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Hey, it's what they eat
in California, huh?
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Have a California cookie, Joel.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, thank you.
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Chris: Leah, you sure
you don't want one?
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Mmm. So good.
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Super rich.
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Yeah.
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Well, state, you can go ahead.
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Thank you. We filed several
motions to, one, preclude the defendant
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from bringing into evidence any
claims about the insurance policy,
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and, two, to preclude
any evidence
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regarding a witness,
Pamela hupp.
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Your honor, Pamela hupp was
the last person to see Betsy alive.
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You don't know that. And four
days prior to Betsy's murder,
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Pamela hupp became
the beneficiary
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on Betsy's
life insurance policy.
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Ah, yes, the insurance policies.
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Is there any evidence that shows
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that those insurance papers
were done incorrectly
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or signed under coercion
or anything?
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Uh, no. No.
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Uh, no. No.
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And to be honest,
we're not exactly sure why
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Betsy decided to sign the life
insurance policy over to Mrs. Hupp,
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but we do have
cell phone records
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that prove that she lied about
where she was at the time of the crime.
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Pamela hupp is not a suspect.
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Yeah, well, she should be.
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The point of the motion
is to keep the defense
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from saying
that Mrs. Hupp is a murderer
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with no direct evidence
connecting her to a crime.
258
00:12:02,597 --> 00:12:03,765
Unreasonable.
259
00:12:03,848 --> 00:12:05,350
There is no case law
that prevents us
260
00:12:05,433 --> 00:12:07,953
from establishing a third party's
connection to this crime, okay?
261
00:12:07,977 --> 00:12:09,038
Ooh, maybe I will have one.
262
00:12:09,062 --> 00:12:11,142
On those grounds alone,
this motion should be denied.
263
00:12:14,651 --> 00:12:15,931
So what do you think,
your honor?
264
00:12:16,152 --> 00:12:18,571
Um... state's motion is granted.
265
00:12:18,655 --> 00:12:21,115
Insurance policies will only
cause confusion with the jury.
266
00:12:21,199 --> 00:12:22,408
That also goes for Ms. Hupp.
267
00:12:22,492 --> 00:12:23,743
There's no direct evidence here
268
00:12:23,826 --> 00:12:25,054
that connects her to the crime.
269
00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:27,038
Your honor, I
strenuously object to this...
270
00:12:27,121 --> 00:12:28,122
Both: Strenuously?
271
00:12:28,206 --> 00:12:29,457
Ooh. Okay, well, sorry,
272
00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:31,709
but gonna do things
fair and square here, okay?
273
00:12:31,793 --> 00:12:34,033
Don't worry, you'll get your
chance to present your case.
274
00:12:34,963 --> 00:12:36,381
You know what?
They can have Pam.
275
00:12:37,173 --> 00:12:39,008
Soddi was just a bonus.
We don't need her.
276
00:12:41,761 --> 00:12:43,763
There she is. Don't look.
277
00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,308
I cannot believe that askey
278
00:12:47,392 --> 00:12:49,286
was gonna let a murderer walk
just to win a case.
279
00:12:49,310 --> 00:12:51,396
Aren't you pretty famous
for doing exactly that?
280
00:12:51,479 --> 00:12:52,605
Okay, wait, here she comes.
281
00:12:52,689 --> 00:12:54,023
Here she comes. Here she comes.
282
00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,903
Little something for you boys.
283
00:12:59,737 --> 00:13:01,114
Good luck in there.
284
00:13:02,490 --> 00:13:04,284
Pay day.
That has to be intentional.
285
00:13:06,411 --> 00:13:07,537
You never know with her.
286
00:13:08,663 --> 00:13:11,874
The evidence will show that this
crime was an absolute tragedy.
287
00:13:12,542 --> 00:13:14,627
It was a tragedy
for the meyer-faria family.
288
00:13:15,420 --> 00:13:17,630
It was also a tragedy
for Russell faria,
289
00:13:18,131 --> 00:13:19,966
hardworking father
to two stepdaughters
290
00:13:20,091 --> 00:13:22,885
who may not have been
his daughters by blood,
291
00:13:23,094 --> 00:13:24,774
but he raised them
as if they were his own.
292
00:13:25,763 --> 00:13:27,932
Leah: "I just got home
from my friend's house,
293
00:13:28,933 --> 00:13:30,601
and my wife killed herself."
294
00:13:31,019 --> 00:13:33,896
That's what the defendant said
295
00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:41,321
when he saw his wife lying
dead with 56 stab wounds in her.
296
00:13:45,366 --> 00:13:47,994
Can't believe they put us
all in here together.
297
00:13:48,453 --> 00:13:51,706
In fact, you'll hear him wailing
298
00:13:51,789 --> 00:13:55,168
to the 911 operator,
trying to convince himself
299
00:13:55,251 --> 00:13:57,879
that he didn't
just kill his wife.
300
00:13:57,962 --> 00:13:59,213
Okay, your honor, objection.
301
00:13:59,297 --> 00:14:01,257
She can't make arguments
in her opening statement.
302
00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:03,676
I'll withdraw.
303
00:14:08,014 --> 00:14:09,891
Drink this. Here.
304
00:14:10,016 --> 00:14:11,684
You gotta keep
a clear head up there.
305
00:14:15,229 --> 00:14:17,190
Leah: This is not
your average game.
306
00:14:18,316 --> 00:14:19,901
I'm not talking about poker.
307
00:14:20,318 --> 00:14:23,029
Not talking about pool
or bowling.
308
00:14:24,155 --> 00:14:25,823
No, this is a game
309
00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:28,785
where grown men
310
00:14:29,911 --> 00:14:35,083
project their fantasies by
ripping the heads off of wizards
311
00:14:35,166 --> 00:14:37,418
and gutting their opponents
like fish,
312
00:14:37,502 --> 00:14:40,546
all while drunk
and smacked off pot.
313
00:14:40,630 --> 00:14:41,881
Your honor.
314
00:14:41,964 --> 00:14:44,175
Are you gonna object to my
entire opening statement?
315
00:14:44,258 --> 00:14:46,219
If you keep saying
objectionable things, yeah.
316
00:14:46,302 --> 00:14:47,595
Counselors, let's just move on.
317
00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:50,515
You'll hear evidence that
the defendant was well aware
318
00:14:50,598 --> 00:14:53,643
that Betsy had three
insurance policies totaling...
319
00:14:53,726 --> 00:14:56,270
Objection. I'm asking for a
mistrial based on that statement.
320
00:14:57,063 --> 00:14:58,189
May we approach?
321
00:15:00,942 --> 00:15:03,194
The state cannot bring up
insurance policies' existence,
322
00:15:03,277 --> 00:15:05,947
yet keep us from arguing
about the policies being changed.
323
00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:08,116
You just ruled
that that was inadmissible.
324
00:15:08,199 --> 00:15:10,368
No, that's a
mischaracterization of my order.
325
00:15:10,451 --> 00:15:12,036
No, that's what you said.
No, no, no.
326
00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,889
No, I'm saying that
the policies go to motive.
327
00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:16,582
When Russ found out that Betsy
gave Pam the policy, he snapped.
328
00:15:16,666 --> 00:15:18,584
You have no proof
to support that claim.
329
00:15:18,668 --> 00:15:19,836
Your honor, mistrial.
330
00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:21,754
Let's just dial down
the melodrama, okay?
331
00:15:21,838 --> 00:15:23,631
The court will not
be granting a mistrial.
332
00:15:24,257 --> 00:15:26,297
Ms. Askey, are you ready
to call your first witness?
333
00:15:26,634 --> 00:15:27,718
Thank you.
334
00:15:30,221 --> 00:15:31,639
What was that all about?
335
00:15:31,722 --> 00:15:33,891
Well, they're taking away
all of our defenses.
336
00:15:34,559 --> 00:15:36,559
Let's just hope you were right
about your daughter.
337
00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:05,256
How do you know the defendant?
338
00:16:06,257 --> 00:16:07,300
He's my dad.
339
00:16:09,010 --> 00:16:10,595
Well, he... he raised me.
340
00:16:11,220 --> 00:16:12,513
So he's your stepfather.
341
00:16:15,725 --> 00:16:16,976
Can you identify him?
342
00:16:18,394 --> 00:16:20,104
He's over there in the middle.
343
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:22,523
Wearing a gray suit.
344
00:16:22,607 --> 00:16:26,486
Let the record reflect that the
witness has identified the defendant.
345
00:16:28,613 --> 00:16:31,782
So your mother
married your stepfather
346
00:16:31,866 --> 00:16:32,867
when you were five.
347
00:16:33,743 --> 00:16:35,745
How would you describe
the family dynamic?
348
00:16:37,538 --> 00:16:39,373
Mom and dad bickered a lot.
349
00:16:40,917 --> 00:16:43,961
Sometimes it was funny,
like a grumpy old couple.
350
00:16:46,172 --> 00:16:47,590
But sometimes they'd fight.
351
00:16:48,132 --> 00:16:51,427
Can you describe what you
mean by "sometimes they'd fight"?
352
00:16:54,514 --> 00:16:56,390
They cussed at each other,
353
00:16:57,266 --> 00:16:59,268
and they yelled
across the house a lot.
354
00:17:00,645 --> 00:17:03,231
Was your stepdad's cursing
directed at your mother?
355
00:17:05,733 --> 00:17:06,817
Yeah.
356
00:17:08,236 --> 00:17:09,445
Leah: Anyone else?
357
00:17:10,112 --> 00:17:14,200
He, uh... he cussed
at me and my sister, too.
358
00:17:15,826 --> 00:17:18,246
Joel, that landed.
359
00:17:18,329 --> 00:17:19,622
Should we be doing something?
360
00:17:19,997 --> 00:17:21,040
No, not yet.
361
00:17:21,624 --> 00:17:25,419
Were you ever fearful
of Russ' temper?
362
00:17:26,837 --> 00:17:30,174
At times, yeah.
363
00:17:41,352 --> 00:17:42,728
Nothing further.
364
00:17:50,361 --> 00:17:52,071
Hey, you hang in there,
all right?
365
00:17:53,364 --> 00:17:55,044
All right, that's gonna be
the worst of it.
366
00:18:16,053 --> 00:18:17,096
How'd it go?
367
00:18:20,391 --> 00:18:22,852
Did you tell them
about the yelling?
368
00:18:33,696 --> 00:18:35,197
Dad... let him go.
369
00:18:36,115 --> 00:18:37,241
Let him go.
370
00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:40,286
Dad.
371
00:18:40,369 --> 00:18:41,829
All you did was tell the truth.
372
00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:44,248
God knows.
373
00:18:45,958 --> 00:18:46,959
Hey.
374
00:18:48,586 --> 00:18:50,504
Your mom would be
so proud of you.
375
00:19:07,563 --> 00:19:08,606
What happened?
376
00:19:09,982 --> 00:19:11,359
Leah doesn't need me.
377
00:19:11,442 --> 00:19:12,711
Schwartz is too scared
to call me up.
378
00:19:12,735 --> 00:19:15,738
Oh, he's a son of a bitch.
379
00:19:15,821 --> 00:19:16,947
Yeah.
380
00:19:17,031 --> 00:19:21,077
You know, he's trying to act
like my car wasn't in my driveway
381
00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,912
when I called Janet and Betsy.
382
00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:25,164
That dummy should know.
383
00:19:26,123 --> 00:19:27,333
We can track any phone.
384
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,502
Yeah, you can.
385
00:19:29,585 --> 00:19:30,670
Yeah.
386
00:19:31,212 --> 00:19:32,421
You're gonna kill it up there.
387
00:19:33,506 --> 00:19:35,508
Thanks for being so cool
through all this.
388
00:19:36,384 --> 00:19:37,968
Yeah. It's been hard.
389
00:19:38,052 --> 00:19:40,262
Kind of stuff that keeps you
up at night, you know?
390
00:19:40,638 --> 00:19:42,598
And I already got a bad back.
391
00:19:44,016 --> 00:19:46,310
Ugh, this whole thing's
been a mess.
392
00:19:46,977 --> 00:19:48,562
Not that you didn't do
a great job.
393
00:19:49,105 --> 00:19:50,106
Really.
394
00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:51,941
Really great.
395
00:19:52,566 --> 00:19:53,734
But now I'm gonna...
396
00:19:55,152 --> 00:19:56,237
I got it from here.
397
00:19:57,363 --> 00:19:58,572
Detective merkel...
398
00:20:00,741 --> 00:20:03,619
You stated there was blood
399
00:20:04,412 --> 00:20:08,457
all over the living room,
but none on the defendant.
400
00:20:08,541 --> 00:20:10,418
Is that unusual?
401
00:20:10,501 --> 00:20:11,781
I wouldn't say
that it's unusual,
402
00:20:11,836 --> 00:20:13,754
but it's something
that gave me pause.
403
00:20:13,838 --> 00:20:15,158
Leah: Could he
have washed it off?
404
00:20:15,214 --> 00:20:16,215
It's very possible.
405
00:20:16,298 --> 00:20:17,383
Calls for speculation.
406
00:20:19,301 --> 00:20:20,302
I'll rephrase.
407
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,306
Did you look for blood
408
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:28,227
that could have been washed up
after Betsy was murdered?
409
00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:30,104
We did. And what did you find?
410
00:20:30,187 --> 00:20:34,150
We found that blood had been
cleaned up at the scene, in the kitchen.
411
00:20:34,608 --> 00:20:35,860
How do you know this?
412
00:20:35,943 --> 00:20:37,778
Luminol photos were taken
at the scene.
413
00:20:37,862 --> 00:20:40,865
Those photos indicated
the perpetrator cleaned up.
414
00:20:40,948 --> 00:20:41,991
Objection, your honor.
415
00:20:42,450 --> 00:20:43,635
We've never seen these photos.
416
00:20:43,659 --> 00:20:44,744
Nothing further.
417
00:20:45,453 --> 00:20:47,621
When you reviewed
the so-called photos
418
00:20:47,705 --> 00:20:49,623
in question,
uh, what did they show?
419
00:20:49,999 --> 00:20:51,125
Absolutely nothing.
420
00:20:51,208 --> 00:20:52,293
Absolutely nothing.
421
00:20:52,376 --> 00:20:53,586
And why is that?
422
00:20:54,170 --> 00:20:55,379
The camera malfunctioned.
423
00:20:56,046 --> 00:20:58,340
So there is no actual proof
of a cleanup.
424
00:20:58,424 --> 00:21:02,303
The photos were damaged, but I saw
the blood reaction to the luminol solution,
425
00:21:02,386 --> 00:21:04,346
and there was blood
in the kitchen.
426
00:21:04,722 --> 00:21:05,782
Joel: So there is no proof.
427
00:21:05,806 --> 00:21:07,075
Chris: Mr. Schwartz...
Joel: There's no proof.
428
00:21:07,099 --> 00:21:08,809
Mr. Schwartz, I suggest
you just move on.
429
00:21:11,145 --> 00:21:14,648
And you sent officers to confirm
the alibis of Sean Walker...
430
00:21:14,732 --> 00:21:16,484
Leah: Objection. Hearsay.
431
00:21:17,151 --> 00:21:19,403
I'm asking what he sent
the officers to do.
432
00:21:19,487 --> 00:21:22,656
But also what they learned,
so, actually, double hearsay.
433
00:21:22,740 --> 00:21:23,991
Are you... kidding me?
434
00:21:24,074 --> 00:21:25,743
Enough, Mr. Schwartz. Enough.
435
00:21:26,076 --> 00:21:27,596
I won't hesitate
to hold you in contempt.
436
00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:29,014
Okay, your honor...
Okay, that's it.
437
00:21:29,038 --> 00:21:30,122
Thatslunch.
438
00:21:31,707 --> 00:21:33,375
My god, that was brutal.
439
00:21:33,918 --> 00:21:36,212
Askey really put a dent
in the soddi defense.
440
00:21:36,879 --> 00:21:38,380
Swanson. Mike wood.
441
00:21:39,006 --> 00:21:40,174
Hey.
442
00:21:40,257 --> 00:21:41,258
You're working in Troy?
443
00:21:41,342 --> 00:21:43,219
Da's office. Nothing major.
444
00:21:43,552 --> 00:21:45,179
Dui jockey, parking tickets.
445
00:21:45,596 --> 00:21:47,264
I'm here on the faria case.
446
00:21:47,348 --> 00:21:48,492
Uh, Mike, this is Joel Schwartz.
447
00:21:48,516 --> 00:21:49,642
I know.
448
00:21:49,725 --> 00:21:51,185
I actually watched it all
go down.
449
00:21:51,268 --> 00:21:52,436
Yeah, down's the word.
450
00:21:53,103 --> 00:21:54,498
I'll let you guys
tend to your wounds.
451
00:21:54,522 --> 00:21:55,523
Good luck.
452
00:21:55,606 --> 00:21:57,608
Hey. Nice to meet you, Mike.
Good to see you.
453
00:21:58,943 --> 00:22:00,027
Mike went to law school
454
00:22:00,110 --> 00:22:01,470
with one
of my fraternity brothers.
455
00:22:01,529 --> 00:22:02,530
He's a good guy.
456
00:22:03,405 --> 00:22:04,490
Oh, small world.
457
00:22:05,282 --> 00:22:06,450
Small town.
458
00:22:10,454 --> 00:22:11,497
Are you okay?
459
00:22:13,290 --> 00:22:14,333
Yeah.
460
00:22:16,794 --> 00:22:18,087
That reporter was right, though.
461
00:22:18,838 --> 00:22:20,840
I have represented
some very bad people.
462
00:22:21,632 --> 00:22:22,925
Okay, but you're not now.
463
00:22:23,968 --> 00:22:26,238
Don't they say every defense
attorney's gotta do one good thing?
464
00:22:26,262 --> 00:22:28,681
My one good thing.
465
00:22:30,516 --> 00:22:31,756
We should get back to strategy.
466
00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:34,562
How to get through Pam hupp.
467
00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:37,147
All right, we sink her...
468
00:22:37,231 --> 00:22:38,357
We sink askey.
469
00:22:40,192 --> 00:22:42,319
All right, we know
she's gonna lie, right?
470
00:22:42,695 --> 00:22:44,405
So we have to hold her
to one story.
471
00:22:44,488 --> 00:22:45,865
Yeah, it's not easy.
472
00:22:45,948 --> 00:22:48,242
I mean, she's created
this entire web of lies.
473
00:22:48,325 --> 00:22:49,702
Everyone is caught in it.
474
00:22:49,785 --> 00:22:51,078
Yeah, well, not us.
475
00:22:52,204 --> 00:22:53,330
No sir.
476
00:22:53,747 --> 00:22:55,958
Narrator: Funny thing
about spider webs,
477
00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:58,294
they're deceptive.
478
00:22:59,003 --> 00:23:01,213
People think a web is there
to catch the prey
479
00:23:02,047 --> 00:23:05,634
when the web is really there
to protect the spider.
480
00:23:06,135 --> 00:23:08,721
The prosecution calls
Pamela hupp to the stand.
481
00:23:27,823 --> 00:23:31,410
So Betsy came over one day
complaining about gaining weight.
482
00:23:33,746 --> 00:23:35,998
Her stomach was real bloated.
483
00:23:38,334 --> 00:23:39,585
I didn't think it was fat.
484
00:23:41,170 --> 00:23:43,964
I told her...
That's a sign of cancer.
485
00:23:44,924 --> 00:23:47,217
So you were the one that
told her to go to the doctor.
486
00:23:47,635 --> 00:23:49,094
Mmm. What?
487
00:23:49,637 --> 00:23:50,638
Shh.
488
00:23:55,351 --> 00:23:56,393
Thank you.
489
00:23:57,227 --> 00:23:58,854
Yeah. Correct.
490
00:24:00,022 --> 00:24:01,941
And that's when she found out
491
00:24:03,692 --> 00:24:07,154
that the cancer came back
in her liver.
492
00:24:07,404 --> 00:24:09,698
She didn't take itwell.
493
00:24:10,574 --> 00:24:12,660
And I knew
she was gonna need me,
494
00:24:12,743 --> 00:24:14,328
so I made sure
to be by her side,
495
00:24:14,954 --> 00:24:18,624
keeping her busy, even when
I could barely drive.
496
00:24:19,583 --> 00:24:21,168
You could barely drive?
Why is that?
497
00:24:25,214 --> 00:24:26,340
I'm disabled.
498
00:24:29,426 --> 00:24:30,594
I lost some disks.
499
00:24:31,387 --> 00:24:32,805
Got a plate in my neck
500
00:24:34,139 --> 00:24:36,141
and a tens unit
501
00:24:36,225 --> 00:24:38,936
to stimulate the nerves
down my left leg.
502
00:24:40,437 --> 00:24:41,522
But I'm fine.
503
00:24:42,272 --> 00:24:43,315
Doing great.
504
00:24:44,942 --> 00:24:46,694
Had to, for bets.
505
00:24:48,946 --> 00:24:50,674
Leah: And while you were
getting to know Betsy,
506
00:24:50,698 --> 00:24:52,950
did you spend any time
with her husband?
507
00:24:54,618 --> 00:24:56,912
Um, I'd go over
to her house a lot,
508
00:24:57,371 --> 00:25:00,749
um, and he'd be there sometimes,
509
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:04,003
hanging out, smoking.
510
00:25:05,379 --> 00:25:08,632
The defendant would smoke in front
of his wife who was dying of cancer?
511
00:25:09,299 --> 00:25:10,884
I've never smoked around Pam.
512
00:25:11,135 --> 00:25:12,970
She couldn't name
the brand I use.
513
00:25:13,053 --> 00:25:14,513
She hardly knows me. Okay, okay.
514
00:25:14,638 --> 00:25:16,015
Don't worry,
I'll get her on cross.
515
00:25:16,098 --> 00:25:17,993
Pam: It's one of the reasons
me and my husband, Mark,
516
00:25:18,017 --> 00:25:19,435
never socialized with him.
517
00:25:21,103 --> 00:25:22,187
And Betsy...
518
00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:24,148
She was afraid.
519
00:25:25,024 --> 00:25:26,066
Oh, boy.
520
00:25:26,150 --> 00:25:28,360
He could be scary at times.
521
00:25:30,154 --> 00:25:32,322
But I stuck around, for Betsy.
522
00:25:35,993 --> 00:25:39,163
You testified
that Russ was degrading,
523
00:25:39,955 --> 00:25:41,808
but you told officers
that you didn't know him well,
524
00:25:41,832 --> 00:25:43,500
and that you'd
only met him three times.
525
00:25:44,501 --> 00:25:46,962
Mmm. I don't know.
526
00:25:47,963 --> 00:25:48,964
Probably.
527
00:25:49,214 --> 00:25:50,674
So you didn't
tell officers that?
528
00:25:51,175 --> 00:25:52,509
Oh, I'm not saying that,
I just...
529
00:25:52,593 --> 00:25:53,969
I just don't remember.
530
00:25:54,053 --> 00:25:56,972
Don't forget, you know,
brain injury over here.
531
00:25:57,848 --> 00:26:00,059
Joel: Would it refresh
yourrecohecfion
532
00:26:00,142 --> 00:26:02,352
if I showed you the statement
you gave police?
533
00:26:02,436 --> 00:26:03,520
No, itwouldn't.
534
00:26:04,605 --> 00:26:06,565
What if I played you the
recording with you on it?
535
00:26:06,857 --> 00:26:09,109
Pam: Well, if you said
I said it, that's fine.
536
00:26:09,193 --> 00:26:11,862
Alls I'm saying is that Betsy
talked about it all the time.
537
00:26:12,321 --> 00:26:13,405
Everyone knew.
538
00:26:13,906 --> 00:26:16,116
Let's jump ahead to the night
of Betsy's murder.
539
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,840
You took her home, even though
she told you she didn't need a ride?
540
00:26:19,036 --> 00:26:20,662
I'm sorry, what is the question?
541
00:26:20,746 --> 00:26:21,914
I'll rephrase.
542
00:26:23,957 --> 00:26:25,292
Hours before Betsy's death,
543
00:26:25,375 --> 00:26:27,295
you volunteered to drive her
to her home in Troy.
544
00:26:27,503 --> 00:26:28,879
No. She asked me.
545
00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:31,508
Joel: She didn't tell you
she already had a ride?
546
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:35,719
She asked me, could I take
her, and then she would tell Russ.
547
00:26:35,928 --> 00:26:37,739
Joel: I'm sorry, I'm just
trying to make this make sense.
548
00:26:37,763 --> 00:26:41,266
So you drove
to Betsy's mother's house,
549
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:43,268
found out
she didn't need a ride,
550
00:26:43,352 --> 00:26:44,512
but you took her home anyway.
551
00:26:45,229 --> 00:26:46,789
What, were you trying
to track her down?
552
00:26:48,023 --> 00:26:49,316
"Track her down"?
553
00:26:50,192 --> 00:26:51,902
I knew she was at her mom's.
554
00:26:52,361 --> 00:26:54,029
I didn't have to track her down.
555
00:26:54,488 --> 00:26:55,768
So when you got
to Betsy's house,
556
00:26:57,366 --> 00:26:59,409
you knew what time it was
because you made a call
557
00:26:59,493 --> 00:27:01,703
to your husband
at 7:04 pm, correct?
558
00:27:01,787 --> 00:27:03,914
Mmm-hmm. Betsy wanted to chat.
559
00:27:04,581 --> 00:27:05,781
They hadn't talked in a while.
560
00:27:06,083 --> 00:27:08,043
Mmm-hmm, and you stayed
for, what, 20 minutes?
561
00:27:08,377 --> 00:27:09,378
Not sure.
562
00:27:10,254 --> 00:27:12,047
Well, initially,
you told police that...
563
00:27:13,215 --> 00:27:14,800
That you never went
in the house.
564
00:27:14,883 --> 00:27:16,009
Not what I said.
565
00:27:16,510 --> 00:27:18,137
Did you go in the house?
Yes or no?
566
00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:20,013
No, I did go in the house.
567
00:27:20,097 --> 00:27:21,282
Well, then you changed
your story.
568
00:27:21,306 --> 00:27:23,684
No. No.
I didn't change my story.
569
00:27:24,226 --> 00:27:26,395
I just didn't remember
at the time.
570
00:27:26,854 --> 00:27:27,980
I mean...
571
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:29,940
My friend was just murdered.
572
00:27:31,108 --> 00:27:34,194
So I told them
the real story later.
573
00:27:34,278 --> 00:27:35,863
The real story.
574
00:27:39,366 --> 00:27:42,119
Mrs. Hupp, what do you remember?
575
00:27:45,539 --> 00:27:46,582
I don't know.
576
00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:50,711
I feel like you're trying to get me to
say something that I don't remember.
577
00:27:50,794 --> 00:27:52,337
Your honor, this feels personal.
578
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,466
Look, I'm simply questioning
Mrs. Hupp's inconsistencies,
579
00:27:56,550 --> 00:27:57,801
something nobody else has done
580
00:27:57,885 --> 00:27:59,946
even though she was the
last person to see Betsy alive.
581
00:27:59,970 --> 00:28:01,597
Leah: This is
improper impeachment.
582
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,367
Joel: This is not impeachment.
These are her words. It's what she said.
583
00:28:04,391 --> 00:28:05,976
He's trying to blame her.
584
00:28:06,059 --> 00:28:07,370
Yeah, Mr. Schwartz,
I'm gonna ask you
585
00:28:07,394 --> 00:28:09,038
to please refrain
from bullying the witness.
586
00:28:09,062 --> 00:28:10,564
Ms. Hupp is not on trial.
587
00:28:10,981 --> 00:28:12,065
Okay, fine.
588
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:14,109
Mrs. Hupp, a few more questions.
589
00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:15,944
On December 23rd,
590
00:28:17,154 --> 00:28:18,697
four days before Betsy's murder,
591
00:28:19,281 --> 00:28:21,825
she made you the beneficiary
of a life insurance policy
592
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:23,744
that had been in Russ' name
for eight years.
593
00:28:23,827 --> 00:28:25,370
Objection, it's been decided
594
00:28:25,454 --> 00:28:27,789
counselcannotquesfion Mrs. Hupp
595
00:28:27,873 --> 00:28:29,917
regarding insurance policies.
596
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:32,127
Where's the line
of questioning going here?
597
00:28:32,211 --> 00:28:33,545
It's an offer of proof.
598
00:28:34,338 --> 00:28:37,049
It is no different
than askey suggesting
599
00:28:37,132 --> 00:28:38,508
Russ' connection to the policy,
600
00:28:38,592 --> 00:28:40,552
if I could just get
a little bit of latitude here.
601
00:28:41,470 --> 00:28:42,512
Okay, fine.
602
00:28:42,596 --> 00:28:44,073
In the interest of balance,
I'll consider it.
603
00:28:44,097 --> 00:28:45,182
Okay. Okay.
604
00:28:45,515 --> 00:28:47,392
Oh, uh, but I just...
605
00:28:47,476 --> 00:28:50,687
I want to hear it first before deciding
ifthejury's gonna hear it, okay?
606
00:28:51,355 --> 00:28:52,515
I just want to hear it first.
607
00:28:52,648 --> 00:28:54,358
Uh, ladies and gentlemen
of the jury,
608
00:28:54,441 --> 00:28:56,693
the court will now excuse you
for just a brief moment
609
00:28:56,777 --> 00:28:59,137
while the defendant here
provides me with an offer of proof.
610
00:28:59,404 --> 00:29:00,405
Thank you.
611
00:29:01,114 --> 00:29:02,394
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
612
00:29:05,077 --> 00:29:06,078
What you got?
613
00:29:06,161 --> 00:29:09,539
I submit defendant's exhibit c.
614
00:29:09,623 --> 00:29:11,917
Mmm-hmm. That is a
copy of the adjusted policy.
615
00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:15,295
Mrs. Hupp, why did Betsy
make you the beneficiary
616
00:29:15,379 --> 00:29:17,923
on the policy instead of
somebody in her own family?
617
00:29:18,048 --> 00:29:20,467
Betsy wanted to make sure
her daughters got the money,
618
00:29:21,343 --> 00:29:23,220
and she couldn't trust Russ
to do that.
619
00:29:24,638 --> 00:29:27,015
Why did you tell
the insurance company
620
00:29:27,099 --> 00:29:29,476
to give Betsy's daughters
no money
621
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:31,895
because "Lily was on drugs
622
00:29:31,979 --> 00:29:33,939
and Mariah had blown
money away before"?
623
00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:36,024
Pam: Say that again?
624
00:29:36,817 --> 00:29:39,319
Joel: You said
that Lily was on drugs
625
00:29:39,403 --> 00:29:41,446
and Mariah had blown
money away before.
626
00:29:41,530 --> 00:29:43,782
No. No. No, no, no, no.
627
00:29:43,865 --> 00:29:44,908
Not how I worded it.
628
00:29:44,992 --> 00:29:47,661
I have a business record
proving that these are your words.
629
00:29:47,953 --> 00:29:49,246
I'm going through menopause.
630
00:29:50,163 --> 00:29:52,374
And it's been a long time.
631
00:29:53,083 --> 00:29:56,420
I cannot tell you every detail
of everything that I said.
632
00:29:57,087 --> 00:29:58,727
Joel: Your honor...
But I didn't say that.
633
00:29:58,755 --> 00:30:01,258
It is Paramount that the jury
hears these answers.
634
00:30:01,925 --> 00:30:04,094
It will show that the wrong
person is on trial here.
635
00:30:04,177 --> 00:30:07,014
Mr. Schwartz, I just don't see
the connection to Ms. Hupp.
636
00:30:07,097 --> 00:30:08,241
The state has questioned her.
637
00:30:08,265 --> 00:30:10,100
They found no motive.
No evidence.
638
00:30:10,434 --> 00:30:12,120
I think it's unnecessary,
and honestly, I think
639
00:30:12,144 --> 00:30:15,272
it's just a little unfair
to keep pointing the finger
640
00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:17,232
at somebody
who's not even a suspect.
641
00:30:17,941 --> 00:30:18,942
All right.
642
00:30:19,276 --> 00:30:21,361
Let the record show
that I'd asked for a mistrial.
643
00:30:42,466 --> 00:30:43,925
Did she have that limp before?
644
00:30:46,887 --> 00:30:47,971
No, she did not.
645
00:30:57,564 --> 00:30:59,042
What you heard in there...
You lied to us.
646
00:30:59,066 --> 00:31:00,650
Wasn't true.
I didn't lie to you.
647
00:31:00,734 --> 00:31:02,027
I didn't. It's just...
648
00:31:02,110 --> 00:31:04,529
I didn't tell you the truth
to save your feelings.
649
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,990
Just give us our money, Pam.
650
00:31:07,074 --> 00:31:08,658
Or we'll sue you. Listen, okay?
651
00:31:09,076 --> 00:31:11,196
I promised your mom that
I would look after you girls,
652
00:31:11,244 --> 00:31:12,496
and that's what I'm doing.
653
00:31:12,579 --> 00:31:13,580
Hand to god.
654
00:31:14,122 --> 00:31:15,791
We'll believe you
once we get our money.
655
00:31:16,166 --> 00:31:17,250
Excuse me.
656
00:31:20,337 --> 00:31:21,421
What am I supposed to do?
657
00:31:22,672 --> 00:31:25,801
I set up that trust,
and now they want to sue me.
658
00:31:26,176 --> 00:31:27,761
That won't look good.
659
00:31:28,261 --> 00:31:29,346
Not for anyone.
660
00:31:31,181 --> 00:31:32,265
I'll take care of it.
661
00:31:41,441 --> 00:31:43,068
What happened
to all the peanuts?
662
00:31:43,151 --> 00:31:44,986
They keep eating
all the peanuts.
663
00:31:45,862 --> 00:31:47,614
You know, you keep
feeding them like that,
664
00:31:47,697 --> 00:31:48,740
they'll never go away.
665
00:31:50,242 --> 00:31:52,661
Why would I ever want them
to go away?
666
00:31:53,203 --> 00:31:54,204
Right.
667
00:31:54,287 --> 00:31:55,997
Oh, you were so great
on the stand.
668
00:31:56,081 --> 00:31:57,457
You're such a tough girl.
669
00:31:57,541 --> 00:31:59,292
And, oh, I just can't believe
I'm seeing it.
670
00:31:59,376 --> 00:32:01,628
It's all live.
It's just like a movie.
671
00:32:01,711 --> 00:32:03,380
And it's all
anybody's talking about.
672
00:32:03,922 --> 00:32:05,173
And dateline is here.
673
00:32:06,383 --> 00:32:07,634
Yeah. Oh, yeah?
674
00:32:07,717 --> 00:32:09,636
This lady came up to me,
Cathy something.
675
00:32:09,719 --> 00:32:10,846
She gave me her card.
676
00:32:11,388 --> 00:32:12,722
Was she wearing a suit?
677
00:32:12,806 --> 00:32:14,599
Yes. She is a big-time producer.
678
00:32:14,683 --> 00:32:16,726
They're making a whole show
about Betsy.
679
00:32:16,810 --> 00:32:18,145
She's very sweet,
680
00:32:18,228 --> 00:32:21,106
and she asked me
aboutyoutoo. What'd you tell her?
681
00:32:21,189 --> 00:32:23,567
Just that you were
Betsy's best friend, and...
682
00:32:24,234 --> 00:32:26,194
And I'm sure
she's gonna reach out to you.
683
00:32:26,528 --> 00:32:27,988
Wow!
684
00:32:28,071 --> 00:32:30,198
All these people
asking questions
685
00:32:30,282 --> 00:32:31,616
that are none of their business.
686
00:32:32,242 --> 00:32:33,910
And you keep talking to 'em.
687
00:32:36,246 --> 00:32:39,332
Well... so, you excited
about closing arguments?
688
00:32:39,416 --> 00:32:42,294
No. I did my part.
689
00:32:42,836 --> 00:32:45,797
Oh, okay. Well...
690
00:32:46,131 --> 00:32:47,674
Can't let my squirrels go hungry
691
00:32:47,757 --> 00:32:49,676
because, you know, bushy tail
is always stealing
692
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,554
skinny tail's share,
so I'll see you later.
693
00:32:52,888 --> 00:32:54,490
Narrator: It's hard to know
when you've stepped
694
00:32:54,514 --> 00:32:57,058
on a land mine with Pam hupp.
695
00:32:57,142 --> 00:32:59,352
The explosion may take its time.
696
00:32:59,436 --> 00:33:00,770
How do you know Russell faria?
697
00:33:01,438 --> 00:33:04,107
We met playing games
about 15 years ago.
698
00:33:05,108 --> 00:33:06,651
Every Tuesday at my place.
699
00:33:06,985 --> 00:33:08,254
Playing games? What do you mean?
700
00:33:08,278 --> 00:33:10,113
Card games, board games.
701
00:33:11,615 --> 00:33:14,576
Warhammer, dungeons & dragons,
witch warriors.
702
00:33:15,118 --> 00:33:16,358
Can you explain those a little?
703
00:33:16,912 --> 00:33:17,913
Role-playing games.
704
00:33:18,497 --> 00:33:19,498
I'm an elf king.
705
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,958
Russ was an Archer monk.
706
00:33:22,792 --> 00:33:23,793
He could fly.
707
00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:26,922
Tell me about December 27th.
708
00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:30,634
Well, we finally attacked
the lord of entropy.
709
00:33:32,427 --> 00:33:33,845
We had some beers,
710
00:33:33,929 --> 00:33:35,680
smoked a little you-know-what.
711
00:33:35,764 --> 00:33:38,934
We spoke to the police
three times,
712
00:33:39,976 --> 00:33:41,978
together and separately.
713
00:33:42,062 --> 00:33:43,647
And your story
has never changed?
714
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:44,731
Notonce.
715
00:33:44,814 --> 00:33:45,857
I can guarantee you
716
00:33:45,941 --> 00:33:48,693
between the hours
of6:00 and 9:00 pm,
717
00:33:49,903 --> 00:33:50,946
Russ was at my place,
718
00:33:51,655 --> 00:33:52,906
sitting next to the five of us.
719
00:33:52,989 --> 00:33:54,115
Greg chatton.
720
00:33:54,199 --> 00:33:56,368
I am a
computer forensic specialist,
721
00:33:56,451 --> 00:33:58,912
qualified as an expert
in cellular mapping.
722
00:33:58,995 --> 00:34:00,747
We were able to track
the defendant's phone
723
00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:02,541
because a cell phone
will connect
724
00:34:02,624 --> 00:34:04,251
to the tower
with the strongest signal.
725
00:34:04,334 --> 00:34:06,753
From those towers, we
can approximate his location.
726
00:34:06,836 --> 00:34:09,214
And at 9:09 pm,
Russell faria's phone
727
00:34:09,297 --> 00:34:11,091
was at least ten miles
from his home.
728
00:34:11,174 --> 00:34:13,718
And you were able to put him
at or near the arby's
729
00:34:13,802 --> 00:34:15,387
at the time
of the time-stamped receipt?
730
00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:16,471
Yes.
731
00:34:16,555 --> 00:34:17,681
The way I see it,
732
00:34:18,557 --> 00:34:21,476
he can't be two places
at one time,
733
00:34:25,021 --> 00:34:27,232
okay, let's just take
a brief recess
734
00:34:27,315 --> 00:34:28,692
before hearing
closing arguments.
735
00:34:29,901 --> 00:34:31,337
Just a little further.
736
00:34:31,361 --> 00:34:32,904
Man 2: Let it hurt
you can do it.
737
00:34:36,032 --> 00:34:37,158
Man 2: You're so close!
738
00:34:42,372 --> 00:34:43,652
I can't believe
Joel's gonna rest
739
00:34:43,707 --> 00:34:45,792
his entire case
on four man-babies.
740
00:34:45,875 --> 00:34:47,043
Look at them.
741
00:34:47,127 --> 00:34:48,795
Save me those pretzels, baby.
742
00:34:48,878 --> 00:34:50,213
Save me those pretzels.
743
00:34:50,297 --> 00:34:52,549
Man versus machine,
battle of the ages.
744
00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:54,301
She's realizing she blew it.
745
00:34:54,384 --> 00:34:57,137
I don't really think she
has that in her character.
746
00:34:57,220 --> 00:34:59,431
Oh, come on. She made
Russ look like a killer,
747
00:34:59,514 --> 00:35:00,807
she kept us away from Pam,
748
00:35:00,890 --> 00:35:03,101
but she never told us
how he could have done it.
749
00:35:03,184 --> 00:35:05,312
She never touched
the alibi witnesses,
750
00:35:05,395 --> 00:35:06,539
never explained
the arby's receipt,
751
00:35:06,563 --> 00:35:07,647
game night, any of it.
752
00:35:07,731 --> 00:35:09,107
She never told a cohesive story.
753
00:35:09,649 --> 00:35:11,818
That is reasonable doubt 100%,
and she knows it.
754
00:35:12,193 --> 00:35:14,487
Leah: For the last three days,
755
00:35:15,196 --> 00:35:19,242
we have heard all about
Betsy faria's death.
756
00:35:21,328 --> 00:35:23,288
But for just a minute,
757
00:35:24,289 --> 00:35:26,291
I want to talk to you
about her life.
758
00:35:27,876 --> 00:35:28,960
Who was Betsy?
759
00:35:29,794 --> 00:35:31,004
She was a mom.
760
00:35:31,671 --> 00:35:32,964
She had two daughters.
761
00:35:34,299 --> 00:35:37,927
She loved music,
and she loved to dj.
762
00:35:38,094 --> 00:35:39,554
Joel: Let's talk about proof.
763
00:35:40,597 --> 00:35:42,140
She talked about
reasonable doubt.
764
00:35:42,223 --> 00:35:43,863
Let's not go
to reasonable doubt, not yet.
765
00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:45,101
Proof.
766
00:35:45,644 --> 00:35:47,103
Who else was Betsy faria?
767
00:35:47,937 --> 00:35:51,524
I think she was a victim
of domestic violence.
768
00:35:52,025 --> 00:35:53,526
We heard from her daughters,
769
00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:56,196
we heard from her
close friend, Pam hupp,
770
00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:58,782
that there were
a lot of arguments,
771
00:35:59,949 --> 00:36:02,702
profanity, disrespect.
772
00:36:03,828 --> 00:36:07,624
That's just the shred of what
we got to see into her life.
773
00:36:07,791 --> 00:36:09,668
There were no wounds on Russ.
774
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:11,771
There wasn't even a scratch.
775
00:36:11,795 --> 00:36:13,046
He had no blood on his hands,
776
00:36:13,129 --> 00:36:15,215
no blood underneath
his fingernails, nothing.
777
00:36:15,298 --> 00:36:16,549
He's cunning.
778
00:36:17,676 --> 00:36:21,638
He made all these stops
to establish an alibi.
779
00:36:21,846 --> 00:36:25,725
But I am here to tell you
that nothing is what it seems.
780
00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:27,644
We know that Russ went
to the pet store.
781
00:36:28,561 --> 00:36:30,271
And thanks
to a time-stamped receipt,
782
00:36:30,355 --> 00:36:31,731
confirmed by cell phone data,
783
00:36:31,815 --> 00:36:34,067
we know that he simply
didn't have enough time
784
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:35,568
to get his food, to drive home,
785
00:36:35,652 --> 00:36:37,821
to murder his wife,
to take a shower,
786
00:36:37,904 --> 00:36:39,197
call the police.
787
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,365
It is impossible.
788
00:36:41,157 --> 00:36:44,411
Leah: I think he got a steak
knife from his own kitchen,
789
00:36:44,786 --> 00:36:50,583
I think he stood over his
wife, and he stabbed her.
790
00:36:51,334 --> 00:36:53,044
This was personal.
791
00:36:54,087 --> 00:36:55,463
But then he got careless.
792
00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:59,092
He took a shower,
getting rid of any evidence.
793
00:36:59,426 --> 00:37:00,510
He thought of everything.
794
00:37:00,593 --> 00:37:02,679
It was perfectly staged,
795
00:37:04,013 --> 00:37:05,598
except the slippers.
796
00:37:06,266 --> 00:37:09,602
He forgot about the slippers
when he stepped in her blood.
797
00:37:09,686 --> 00:37:11,604
Joel: Don't be fooled
by these slippers.
798
00:37:12,021 --> 00:37:13,916
There was no blood
on the bottom of the slippers,
799
00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:17,736
only on the top, as if
they were dipped in blood.
800
00:37:19,195 --> 00:37:21,114
And there was a lot of blood
at the residence,
801
00:37:22,365 --> 00:37:24,659
but not one iota
on the defendant.
802
00:37:25,076 --> 00:37:28,121
And why wasn't there
any blood on his clothes?
803
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,751
I don't think
he was wearing clothes.
804
00:37:33,752 --> 00:37:36,796
And folks, I am gonna tell you
that I don't think
805
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,717
this stabbing was suicide
or even looked like one.
806
00:37:41,509 --> 00:37:43,428
Today, you saw
four people testify
807
00:37:43,887 --> 00:37:46,222
that they were with Russ
at the time of the murder.
808
00:37:46,556 --> 00:37:48,349
Now that, that's proof.
809
00:37:48,433 --> 00:37:49,601
Sure.
810
00:37:50,101 --> 00:37:51,561
Russ went home to Troy.
811
00:37:52,604 --> 00:37:54,481
But then I submit to you
812
00:37:55,148 --> 00:37:58,568
that Sean Walker went
to the arby's, not Russ.
813
00:37:58,651 --> 00:38:00,069
Walker got the receipts.
814
00:38:00,528 --> 00:38:02,947
He drove to Russell's in Troy.
815
00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:04,616
They exchanged phones.
816
00:38:04,699 --> 00:38:06,075
They all text.
817
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:07,368
They coordinate,
818
00:38:07,452 --> 00:38:11,456
making sure the
defendant's alibi is sealed.
819
00:38:11,539 --> 00:38:15,335
Your honor, she just accused four
people of being complicit to a murder
820
00:38:15,418 --> 00:38:16,562
without a sliver of evidence.
821
00:38:16,586 --> 00:38:18,505
This goes to planning,
accomplices.
822
00:38:18,588 --> 00:38:19,672
Yeah, I'm gonna allow it.
823
00:38:20,507 --> 00:38:22,175
I think he had help.
824
00:38:22,675 --> 00:38:26,513
They all helped him kill Betsy.
825
00:38:26,596 --> 00:38:27,972
They were all in on it.
826
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:33,662
What do you think
it feels like to be
827
00:38:33,686 --> 00:38:35,355
one of these
four right now, huh?
828
00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:38,149
At home just hanging out,
playing board games,
829
00:38:38,233 --> 00:38:41,444
and then some desperate person
accuses you
830
00:38:41,528 --> 00:38:43,154
of being an accomplice
to a murder.
831
00:38:43,238 --> 00:38:45,532
That is insane.
That is absolutely insane.
832
00:38:46,032 --> 00:38:47,575
We have video. We have receipts.
833
00:38:47,659 --> 00:38:48,952
We have eyewitnesses.
834
00:38:49,786 --> 00:38:51,955
Shame on anybody
who'sjudging Russ.
835
00:38:53,206 --> 00:38:54,958
Shame on anyone
who's judging Russ' grief.
836
00:38:55,458 --> 00:38:57,085
Shame, shame, shame.
837
00:38:57,168 --> 00:38:59,087
Leah askey has no proof
838
00:38:59,170 --> 00:39:01,172
that connects Russ
to Betsy's murder.
839
00:39:01,965 --> 00:39:03,800
Russ could not be
in two places at one time.
840
00:39:05,260 --> 00:39:07,095
Find him not guilty, please,
841
00:39:08,638 --> 00:39:10,014
because he's an innocent man.
842
00:39:11,975 --> 00:39:13,101
Thank you.
843
00:39:16,563 --> 00:39:18,273
Well, it's in
the jury's hands now.
844
00:39:22,235 --> 00:39:24,675
Woman: Would the defendant
please rise to receive the verdict?
845
00:39:34,789 --> 00:39:37,375
"As to count one, we the jury
846
00:39:37,458 --> 00:39:42,255
"find Russell faria guilty of
murder in the first degree."
847
00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:44,924
Man: No!
848
00:39:49,304 --> 00:39:51,532
"We declare the punishment
for murder in the first degree...
849
00:39:51,556 --> 00:39:52,849
Yes!
850
00:39:52,932 --> 00:39:56,603
"Is imprisonment for life
without the eligibility for parole.
851
00:39:57,687 --> 00:39:59,731
"As to count two, we the jury
852
00:40:00,315 --> 00:40:03,443
"find Russell faria guilty
of armed criminal action."
853
00:40:12,577 --> 00:40:13,912
Man: We love you, Russ.
854
00:40:26,049 --> 00:40:27,467
Come on, let's get out of here.
855
00:40:45,818 --> 00:40:47,111
Mr. Schwartz.
856
00:40:47,904 --> 00:40:49,614
Cathy singer.
We spoke on the phone?
857
00:40:50,114 --> 00:40:51,926
Oh, I'm sorry we couldn't
give you much of a story.
858
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:53,750
Well, I actually think
there's something here.
859
00:40:53,826 --> 00:40:54,986
I'm gonna stick around a bit.
860
00:40:55,411 --> 00:40:56,412
Well, that's good.
861
00:40:56,955 --> 00:40:58,081
'Cause we're not done.
862
00:40:58,623 --> 00:40:59,832
We're not?
863
00:40:59,916 --> 00:41:02,710
I can't imagine Russ is gonna
get a fair trial in this town,
864
00:41:02,794 --> 00:41:04,354
but I am not gonna quit
until he's free.
865
00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:05,672
All right? Have a good day.
866
00:41:07,173 --> 00:41:08,800
Man: We'll start
from the top down.
867
00:41:08,967 --> 00:41:11,135
Your brow position
is reasonably good.
868
00:41:11,219 --> 00:41:12,345
Good to know.
869
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:16,849
And then we'll clean up
your upper and lower eyelids.
870
00:41:17,225 --> 00:41:22,021
And some structural fat grafting
in your cheeks and t-zone area.
871
00:41:22,772 --> 00:41:25,191
And last, it's your neck.
872
00:41:25,608 --> 00:41:27,193
This will take the most work,
873
00:41:27,527 --> 00:41:29,362
but we want it to be consistent.
874
00:41:29,445 --> 00:41:30,863
I like consistence.
875
00:41:30,947 --> 00:41:33,992
I want all of me to look
as good as the rest of me.
876
00:41:34,367 --> 00:41:35,576
When do I pay?
877
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:37,537
There's a $2,500 deposit.
878
00:41:37,787 --> 00:41:39,307
The front desk
will explain everything.
879
00:41:40,456 --> 00:41:42,500
Hey, it's Pamela hupp.
880
00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:44,478
Man: Can you give me
your name one more time?
881
00:41:44,502 --> 00:41:46,504
H-u-p-p. Yeah.
882
00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:49,215
I set up a trust
for the daughters
883
00:41:49,298 --> 00:41:50,633
of Betsy faria...
884
00:41:50,717 --> 00:41:53,678
Narrator: Pam wasn't one
to leave a stone left unturned.
885
00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:59,058
Or an itch left unscratched.
886
00:42:10,611 --> 00:42:13,906
I'd like to transfer the balance
to my personal checking.
887
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,242
Man: All of it?
Yeah, the whole thing.
888
00:42:16,325 --> 00:42:18,453
Man: Okay, I'll have to
put you on hold for a second.
889
00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:19,662
Sure, I can hold.
890
00:42:20,705 --> 00:42:22,707
Narrator: Sure, she could hold.
891
00:42:24,459 --> 00:42:25,752
Narrator: For how long?
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