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Narrator: Previously on
"the thing about Pam"...
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This time chemo wasn't bad.
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I feel kinda good.
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So what happened to Betsy?
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Some kind of accident
or something?
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Officer Rose: She's not
accidentally dead.
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She's not naturally dead.
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Some lady on sumac got stabbed,
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20, maybe 60 times.
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Textbook spousal homicide.
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Pam: He was kinda not nice
verbally to her.
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Real aggressive.
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Pam is a good person.
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And I just don't care
for his type.
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Narrator: A grieving family
is a family in need,
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and Pam is all helping hands.
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Who would think such a nice lady
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was there to help herself?
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God, such a hassle.
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All those people in your hair
on a day like this.
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You need a pick-me-up.
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Aunt Tammy,
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I've been trying
to call my dad all day
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and he's not answering.
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Bet they took his phone.
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Why... why would they
take his phone?
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I'm gonna go find him...
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Sweetie, sweetie.
Why don't you stay?
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No. He's... he's all alone.
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Two sugars, right?
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I'll just have
a little cream. Thanks.
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I wouldn't worry too much
about Russ.
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You know, they always
look at the husband first.
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Big surprise.
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You're not surprised
they got Russ?
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He could be scary.
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Oh, I know.
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One time he said,
"you women are such asses".
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And I was like, "excuse me,
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"just trying to get directions
to the house.
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No need for that."
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One time he chased
my ex-boyfriend
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out the house
with a baseball bat.
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Yeah.
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Lord knows Russ isn't perfect,
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but don't go around saying
that the police have got him.
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We just don't need the whole
town talking like he...
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Like he...
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Narrator:
Oh, there will be talk.
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A whole lot of talk
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from some more than others.
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Narrator: What does a lie
look like, anyway?
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Is it a line on a graph?
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Lie detector tech: Did you
kill Betsy faria?
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Lie detector tech: Do you know
who killed Betsy faria?
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Is today December 28th, 2011?
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Yes.
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I think we got what we need.
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I, uh...
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I need to see my dad,
Russ faria.
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Receptionist: Um, he's
gonna be back there for a while.
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I wouldn't bother waiting.
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Hi, I'm Russ faria's daughter.
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I'm looking for my dad and...
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Got the results
of your polygraph back.
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Whoo.
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You failed.
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Epically. 100%.
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I did?
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You may as well confess,
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make everything easier
on yourself.
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I don't even know why I'm here.
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Well, I guess
this is gonna take a while.
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All right, Russ. Let's go
over this one more time.
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Narrator: Can a lie
be detected by a machine
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or squeezed out under pressure?
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It's been 24 hours.
You have to let him go.
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And get us something we can
use to bring him back for good.
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Narrator: Can a lie sneak
into our lives like a trojan horse
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without us
even knowing it's there?
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Or is a lie more like a virus
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spread through the air
from one person to the next?
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So I was at Betsy's mom's
and Russ wasn't around.
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So they must still
be holding him.
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You know what that means.
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We're looking closely at him.
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You really think he did it.
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The da told my mom
everything points to Russ.
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Mmm-hmm.
How 'bout that 911 call?
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Crying like a baby.
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I mean,
I could act better than that
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and I'm only
second semester theater.
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Listen, Janet. I apologize.
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We don't have enough
to charge him yet,
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but the detectives are close.
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You get him, Ms. Askey.
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I'm not sure what you mean
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you don't have enough
to charge him.
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Uh... I need probable cause
for the judge.
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So like, a witness,
evidence, stuff like that?
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Leah: Yeah, stuff like that.
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Uh, listen, Janet,
you will be the first person
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to find out
when we make the arrest.
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And again, I am so sorry, okay?
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Bye now.
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Sorry, but she's wrong.
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Why would the police lie?
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He's out now though, right?
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Whoa. Whoa, whoa.
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Oh, I am... I mean...
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I'm sorry, sweetheart.
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You can't see Russ anymore.
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That's not a good idea.
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I can't see my dad?
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And I'll never see my mom again.
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So what, you're just gonna
make me like... like an orphan?
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Well, he's not your real dad.
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He's the only dad I ever knew.
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Well, you got your grandmother.
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She was tired.
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You just let her leave.
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She should have stayed with us.
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I know sweetie.
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I... I didn't get my hug.
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Narrator: Can a lie
be folded into a hug...
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Even from the ones you trust?
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Hello? Hey.
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Um, a detective called
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and he wants to come by
and talk to me.
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When? Couple days.
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Could you make it any sooner?
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Well, we have that
big mold inspection tomorrow.
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We'll reschedule it, Mark.
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Pretty sure the police
need our help.
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Narrator: Back in 2007,
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Betsy's light shined on Pam.
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They were friends, good friends.
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Pam even asked Betsy
to dj her daughter's wedding.
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Hey, Travis!
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Travis!
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Come hokey pokey with your mom!
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Can we get the bride up in here?
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Yeah, Sarah!
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Everybody, backside!
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Narrator: Pam took pride in
making all the right moves.
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A purposeful choreography
through life.
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Look at that mama of the bride!
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Who knew she could
get down like this?
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Well, Sarah didn't.
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She didn't want me
to pay you, bets.
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She said we could
just use an iPod.
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Mom!
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Well, happy to give you
the friend rate.
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Pam: No, no, no.
You get full pay.
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I was telling her,
bets needs the work.
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Pam, why don't you just
go ahead and give me the mic.
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I'm so sorry, Betsy.
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For what?
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I'm paying
for this whole shebang.
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Hey, you know what?
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I'm so happy to be here.
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We're having a good time.
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This... this gig's on me.
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No. Really? No charge?
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No charge.
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Congratulations, Sarah.
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Pam: Okay, everybody.
Here we go.
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Put your whole self in.
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Put your whole self in,
put your whole self out
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narrator: They say when
someone shows you who they are,
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believe it.
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But would Lincoln county
detectives see Pam
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and believe her?
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You boys want a cookie?
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I'm baking up a storm
for the holidays.
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I don't mind if I do.
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No need to take up
any of yourtime, Mrs. Hupp.
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We only need to talk
to your husband.
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Sure. No problem.
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Okay, so, Mr. Hupp,
on the night of the 27th,
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you were at home? Yes.
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Oh, you play ball?
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AAA down in Florida.
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Until he threw out his arm. Mmm.
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Hon, why don't you play
that voicemail Betsy left ya?
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Betsy: Happy Christmas, Mark.
Hope you're good.
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Thanks for loaning me Pam.
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So full of life.
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That was 7:00? Mmm.
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Yepjfi04. Mmm, mmm.
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So I take it
you knew Betsy then.
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Through Pam.
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Didn't know Russ though.
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Who did, honestly?
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I've been through how many
of their separations
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and I'm still on the tip
of the iceberg over here.
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And just some of the stuff
she'd say.
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Did you guys
ever find that letter
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that Betsy was writing?
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No.
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Some of the officers
the other day
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seemed really interested.
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Kept asking me.
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Um, it was just some letter
or something
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that bets was gonna email
to tell me about
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something Russ did to her.
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I don't know if she deleted it
or whatever.
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Huh, why would she
email it to you
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versus talking to you about it?
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Uh, I mean,
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Betsy emailed all the time.
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You know, she emailed people.
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She'd email about this and
that and just general stuff.
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You know, she loved email.
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Knowing bets, uh, she probably
got charged to text,
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so that's why email.
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Save the money.
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Got it.
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Do you know what was
in this email?
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Russ started playing this game
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of putting a pillow
over her face.
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Uh, and he'd say this is
what it's gonna feel like
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when you die or whatever. Um,
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I didn't really know the guy,
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but just from what bets said,
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he seemed sorta...
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Abugve? Realabugve.
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Mmm-hmm. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I was like,
well, email it to me.
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But I never got it.
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And would you be willing
to testify to all this?
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If you think it'd be helpful.
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Tina, call the judge!
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We have our probable cause.
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Bonnie: So, you given
any more thought
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to your cousin's offer?
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Joel, that's the lawyer,
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he said that
you would be the one
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to have to contact him first.
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I don't know.
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Feels like
getting a lawyer means
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that I'm somebody
who needs a lawyer, you know?
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I just...
I just want to get past this.
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Mom, come on.
You can do that later.
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Otherwise, it'll stick.
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Are you gonna do these dishes?
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Sorry, what? Didn't get that.
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Officer: Sheriff's department!
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Russell faria,
you're under arrest
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for the murder of Betsy faria.
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It's okay. Bonnie: No!
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Ah...
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Officer: Get up.
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Bonnie: Russ, it's okay!
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I want a lawyer.
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Narrator:
He rolled in from the city,
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a busy man from
a high-rise firm in St. Louis.
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Russ' new lawyer, Joel Schwartz
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was about to encounter...
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Well, he had no idea.
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Green gables?
263
00:14:43,257 --> 00:14:44,550
It's not even green.
264
00:14:44,634 --> 00:14:48,638
Wait, it's not?
Ugh, iyelped and...
265
00:14:48,721 --> 00:14:52,600
And this definitely looked
like the best hotel in town.
266
00:14:52,683 --> 00:14:57,146
Um, but there is a...
A holiday inn down the 47.
267
00:14:57,230 --> 00:15:00,066
Do you want me to check that?
What color are their gables?
268
00:15:00,149 --> 00:15:01,818
I can check.
269
00:15:02,985 --> 00:15:04,070
Oh, you're kidding.
270
00:15:04,153 --> 00:15:05,488
Yeah, I'm kidding. Oh, right.
271
00:15:05,571 --> 00:15:06,965
It's our first day
working together.
272
00:15:06,989 --> 00:15:07,990
You get a pass.
273
00:15:08,074 --> 00:15:09,909
Hey, I just got
a probable cause statement
274
00:15:09,992 --> 00:15:12,286
from the Lincoln county
sheriff's office.
275
00:15:12,412 --> 00:15:13,996
Looks like
an eight-year-old wrote it.
276
00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,332
There's gotta be a more
substantial report coming.
277
00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:19,043
Should we wait before
we sit down with Russell then?
278
00:15:19,127 --> 00:15:21,379
No. No.
We've got a guy with a temper,
279
00:15:21,462 --> 00:15:22,672
volatile relationship,
280
00:15:22,755 --> 00:15:24,715
marriage breaking up,
getting back together.
281
00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:28,052
And strangers don't stab
their victims 50 plus times.
282
00:15:28,136 --> 00:15:30,555
So, uh, I take it
you've represented
283
00:15:30,638 --> 00:15:33,558
a lot of guys
like Russ then before.
284
00:15:33,641 --> 00:15:34,642
Oh, yeah.
285
00:15:34,725 --> 00:15:37,854
Oh, yeah, it's kinda myjam.
Yeah, mine too.
286
00:15:37,979 --> 00:15:39,939
Um, you know, I think so.
287
00:15:40,022 --> 00:15:42,567
Because this is
my first murder trial.
288
00:15:44,026 --> 00:15:46,779
In my experience,
the stats aren't wrong.
289
00:15:46,863 --> 00:15:48,448
We got the husband
of the victim here.
290
00:15:48,531 --> 00:15:49,866
Right. Right?
291
00:16:00,042 --> 00:16:01,335
Hey, Pam, you heard?
292
00:16:01,419 --> 00:16:03,629
Betsy faria's husband
got arrested.
293
00:16:03,713 --> 00:16:05,214
No way.
294
00:16:05,298 --> 00:16:07,508
Mm-hmm. Newsjust said so.
295
00:16:07,592 --> 00:16:08,777
He goes to my sister's church.
296
00:16:08,801 --> 00:16:10,761
Can you believe that?
297
00:16:10,845 --> 00:16:12,430
I guess you never know
what's going on
298
00:16:12,513 --> 00:16:13,973
inside other people's houses.
299
00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,150
We're here to see Russ faria.
300
00:16:24,233 --> 00:16:26,527
He's in holding.
You can wait over there.
301
00:16:28,362 --> 00:16:30,031
Hey, excuse me.
302
00:16:31,365 --> 00:16:32,450
You can't go in there.
303
00:16:32,533 --> 00:16:35,453
Why are you talking to my
client after he asked for a lawyer?
304
00:16:40,875 --> 00:16:43,294
That's him.
That's Joel Schwartz.
305
00:16:43,377 --> 00:16:45,171
I like his style.
306
00:16:45,254 --> 00:16:47,507
He looks like
Tom Hanks from splash.
307
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:49,150
How much do you think
that haircut cost?
308
00:16:49,217 --> 00:16:51,761
He already put in
a request for evidence.
309
00:16:51,844 --> 00:16:53,554
He's good.
310
00:16:53,638 --> 00:16:56,641
We don't let guys like that
dick us around, Tina.
311
00:16:59,602 --> 00:17:01,187
Thanks for coming.
312
00:17:03,189 --> 00:17:05,733
Yeah, well, we're here
to help you, Russ.
313
00:17:05,816 --> 00:17:07,818
First off, is it true
that you talked to the police
314
00:17:07,902 --> 00:17:09,946
for 24 hours straight?
315
00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:11,239
Yeah.
316
00:17:12,782 --> 00:17:14,617
How much did you tell them?
317
00:17:15,451 --> 00:17:16,786
All of it.
318
00:17:18,329 --> 00:17:20,122
All of what?
319
00:17:20,206 --> 00:17:21,541
The truth.
320
00:17:27,755 --> 00:17:32,009
Am I really going to have
to go in front of ajury
321
00:17:32,093 --> 00:17:34,011
because you two
can't get a confession
322
00:17:34,095 --> 00:17:35,471
out of this maniac?
323
00:17:35,805 --> 00:17:38,724
The guy's a good liar. He's
sticking to his arby's and game night.
324
00:17:38,808 --> 00:17:40,685
I wish to god
I hadn't gone to game night,
325
00:17:40,768 --> 00:17:42,520
but that's where I was,
326
00:17:42,603 --> 00:17:44,564
so how can
everybody think I did this?
327
00:17:44,647 --> 00:17:46,083
It doesn't matter
what everyone thinks.
328
00:17:46,107 --> 00:17:48,276
It matters what
the prosecution can prove.
329
00:17:49,277 --> 00:17:50,361
Wait.
330
00:17:51,737 --> 00:17:53,447
Do you think I killed Betsy?
331
00:17:54,824 --> 00:17:56,659
I don't know
what I think yet, Russ.
332
00:17:56,742 --> 00:17:57,868
Russ: Okay.
333
00:17:57,952 --> 00:18:01,455
But... don't you
have to believe me?
334
00:18:01,539 --> 00:18:03,833
Isn't that, like, part of this?
335
00:18:03,916 --> 00:18:07,545
I'm bumping on
the same thing you are.
336
00:18:07,628 --> 00:18:09,147
I'm not even sure
why we're sitting here
337
00:18:09,171 --> 00:18:11,048
if your alibi checks out.
338
00:18:11,132 --> 00:18:12,883
Talk to my friends then.
339
00:18:16,262 --> 00:18:18,306
Merkel: That alibi's
still tough to get around.
340
00:18:18,389 --> 00:18:21,392
We could widen the net,
look at a few more suspects.
341
00:18:21,475 --> 00:18:22,977
You're the detective,
342
00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:24,478
but just because a pocket square
343
00:18:24,562 --> 00:18:27,607
rolls in from the city
doesn't mean that we're wrong.
344
00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:28,858
So what do we have?
345
00:18:28,941 --> 00:18:30,151
There must've been a cleanup.
346
00:18:30,234 --> 00:18:32,403
There wasn't blood
on Russ' clothing?
347
00:18:32,486 --> 00:18:33,487
Not a drop.
348
00:18:34,989 --> 00:18:36,824
Do we have
the luminol photos back?
349
00:18:36,907 --> 00:18:39,076
Those would show if
there was blood cleaned up.
350
00:18:41,621 --> 00:18:42,955
Camera malfunctioned.
351
00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:44,457
Photos showed nothing.
352
00:18:44,540 --> 00:18:45,791
Totally blank.
353
00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:48,586
Should we take a look
just to be sure?
354
00:18:49,337 --> 00:18:51,756
If he says they're blank,
they're blank. What's the point?
355
00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:53,799
Get over here, mccarrick!
356
00:18:54,759 --> 00:18:56,886
This guy stabbed
his wife 57 times
357
00:18:56,969 --> 00:18:58,888
and he didn't do it stark naked
358
00:18:58,971 --> 00:19:00,848
spraying lysol out of his ass,
359
00:19:00,931 --> 00:19:02,892
so he must've missed a spot.
360
00:19:03,601 --> 00:19:06,479
If you were at game night,
361
00:19:06,562 --> 00:19:08,481
then who took Betsy home?
362
00:19:08,564 --> 00:19:10,024
Her friend, Pam.
363
00:19:10,107 --> 00:19:11,275
Schwartz: Pam.
364
00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,069
Why don't you tell me about Pam?
365
00:19:13,903 --> 00:19:15,363
She's...
366
00:19:15,446 --> 00:19:16,656
I don't know.
367
00:19:16,781 --> 00:19:18,199
Nice lady.
368
00:19:18,908 --> 00:19:20,242
"Nice lady".
369
00:19:21,285 --> 00:19:25,456
Okay, and what about
your stepdaughter, Lily?
370
00:19:25,539 --> 00:19:26,624
She got an ex-boyfriend?
371
00:19:26,707 --> 00:19:29,377
Oh, he's a huge tool,
372
00:19:29,502 --> 00:19:32,296
but I don't think
he could've done this.
373
00:19:32,380 --> 00:19:33,756
Well, we should
still check him out
374
00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:36,759
just to dot the ts
and cross the...
375
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:40,930
Okay, Russ.
376
00:19:41,013 --> 00:19:43,307
Well, that should be
enough for us to start.
377
00:19:43,391 --> 00:19:45,810
Whoa. What happens now?
378
00:19:46,769 --> 00:19:48,729
Well, you'll be held
until trial.
379
00:19:48,813 --> 00:19:51,232
You mean in jail?
380
00:19:57,154 --> 00:20:00,157
Nate and I are gonna
sort this out, okay?
381
00:20:00,241 --> 00:20:02,827
In the meantime, you do not
talk to the police without me,
382
00:20:02,910 --> 00:20:04,245
you understand?
383
00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:15,881
Swanson: Why would he ask us
384
00:20:15,965 --> 00:20:17,758
to interview
five independent witnesses?
385
00:20:17,842 --> 00:20:20,261
That's just gonna
make him look bad.
386
00:20:21,721 --> 00:20:22,888
I'm sorry.
387
00:20:22,972 --> 00:20:24,932
I'm still trying to pick up
on your social cues.
388
00:20:25,015 --> 00:20:26,016
What's the sign?
389
00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:27,660
I've represented
a lot of guilty people,
390
00:20:27,685 --> 00:20:29,854
but it's the innocent ones
that keep me up at night.
391
00:20:29,937 --> 00:20:31,772
Wait, you think
that he didn't do this?
392
00:20:36,026 --> 00:20:37,862
I guess the pressure's on now.
393
00:20:41,157 --> 00:20:43,576
If the clothes he was wearing
don't have blood on them,
394
00:20:43,659 --> 00:20:46,203
then he must've changed,
washed up.
395
00:20:46,287 --> 00:20:48,164
Was there blood in the bathroom?
396
00:20:48,247 --> 00:20:49,749
Did you take apart the shower?
397
00:20:49,832 --> 00:20:51,333
Morning, Leah.
398
00:20:51,417 --> 00:20:53,586
You guys are just sitting
around sucking on your thumbs
399
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:55,689
and you have no confession,
which means you've just laid
400
00:20:55,713 --> 00:20:58,549
10 times the amount of work
at my feet.
401
00:20:58,632 --> 00:21:01,302
You were just elected da,
what, a month ago?
402
00:21:01,385 --> 00:21:02,470
It shows.
403
00:21:03,846 --> 00:21:05,615
I thought you were excited
about the big case.
404
00:21:05,639 --> 00:21:07,224
Well, not if I'm gonna lose.
405
00:21:07,308 --> 00:21:09,226
I have to show people
why they elected me.
406
00:21:09,310 --> 00:21:12,563
Maybe someone could do
a test drive from arby's.
407
00:21:12,646 --> 00:21:14,482
I saw the receipt.
It's timestamped.
408
00:21:14,648 --> 00:21:17,610
Thank you, Tina,
who is not a detective.
409
00:21:17,693 --> 00:21:20,446
How could we ever show
that it was possible
410
00:21:20,529 --> 00:21:23,824
for Russ to get home from
arby's in time to kill Betsy?
411
00:21:23,908 --> 00:21:25,451
He must've gone
over the speed limit.
412
00:21:25,534 --> 00:21:26,744
I'll take care of it.
413
00:21:26,911 --> 00:21:30,164
Now, you two, please
take apart the house
414
00:21:30,247 --> 00:21:31,832
and find me the blood.
415
00:21:34,877 --> 00:21:36,086
Mccarrick: 11:41 A.M.
416
00:21:36,170 --> 00:21:37,671
Detective Ryan mccarrick here.
417
00:21:37,755 --> 00:21:40,382
Leaving arby's
en route to 130 sumac drive.
418
00:22:07,493 --> 00:22:08,661
Boom!
419
00:22:08,744 --> 00:22:10,079
Plenty of time to kill you.
420
00:22:10,162 --> 00:22:11,747
Yah!
421
00:22:13,666 --> 00:22:15,960
Pam: What the friggin' hell?
422
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:19,463
Ugh!
423
00:22:19,547 --> 00:22:22,424
The entire floor
stinks like that?
424
00:22:22,508 --> 00:22:24,802
Mold. It's bad. Ugh.
425
00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:29,265
We might have to dip into
the Florida money.
426
00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:30,349
It's gone.
427
00:22:33,060 --> 00:22:34,311
All of it?
428
00:22:34,395 --> 00:22:36,146
How'd you think
I paid for that flip house
429
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:37,457
when we're behind
the mortgage here?
430
00:22:37,481 --> 00:22:38,983
Well, I... I don't know.
431
00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:41,151
Maybe your disability money.
432
00:22:41,235 --> 00:22:44,613
I told you about that
stupid letter I got, Mark.
433
00:22:44,697 --> 00:22:46,866
They said
I don't qualify anymore.
434
00:22:48,075 --> 00:22:50,911
Butyourbadleg.
435
00:22:50,995 --> 00:22:53,163
Tell it to the man.
436
00:22:59,295 --> 00:23:01,130
I'll get us the money.
437
00:23:13,434 --> 00:23:14,518
Hey.
438
00:23:14,602 --> 00:23:16,645
I just got back from seeing
all those gamer guys.
439
00:23:16,729 --> 00:23:18,856
Super sweet group of dudes.
440
00:23:18,939 --> 00:23:21,525
I've got five people
441
00:23:21,609 --> 00:23:24,028
who said that Russ left at 9:00.
442
00:23:24,111 --> 00:23:26,155
Well, you can't be at
game night and the arby's
443
00:23:26,238 --> 00:23:27,948
at the same time
you're killing your wife.
444
00:23:29,116 --> 00:23:30,701
So, I was looking
at these autopsy...
445
00:23:30,784 --> 00:23:32,470
Do you mind if I show this to
you while you're eating lunch?
446
00:23:32,494 --> 00:23:33,495
Okay. No.
447
00:23:33,579 --> 00:23:36,415
Hlooks like there is a bruise
448
00:23:36,498 --> 00:23:38,334
on Betsy's neck here.
Schwartz: Mm.
449
00:23:38,417 --> 00:23:40,085
And then it looks like the knife
450
00:23:40,169 --> 00:23:42,212
was stuck into that same spot
451
00:23:42,296 --> 00:23:43,756
after she was dead.
452
00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:47,092
Maybe the bruise means
she was strangled first?
453
00:23:47,176 --> 00:23:50,137
And then put the knife there
to cover up the fingerprints.
454
00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:52,765
Yeah, it's weird.
455
00:23:52,848 --> 00:23:55,267
She has so many stab wounds
on her back, Joel,
456
00:23:55,351 --> 00:23:57,728
but there's no blood
on the carpet.
457
00:23:57,811 --> 00:23:59,011
And they're all the same size,
458
00:23:59,063 --> 00:24:01,649
same depth,
all made post-mortem.
459
00:24:01,732 --> 00:24:03,400
Methodical, not passionate,
460
00:24:03,484 --> 00:24:04,944
but trying to make it
look like that.
461
00:24:05,027 --> 00:24:07,446
Is that the number one
criminal defense attorney
462
00:24:07,529 --> 00:24:08,864
in all of St. Louis?
463
00:24:08,948 --> 00:24:10,491
Number two, actually.
464
00:24:10,574 --> 00:24:12,409
That's right. Number two. Yeah.
465
00:24:12,493 --> 00:24:13,786
And you must be,
466
00:24:13,869 --> 00:24:15,454
let me guess,
our district attorney.
467
00:24:15,537 --> 00:24:16,872
You can call me Leah.
468
00:24:16,956 --> 00:24:18,082
Leah. Oh, Leah... yes.
469
00:24:18,165 --> 00:24:20,709
Uh, we still haven't received
our luminol photos
470
00:24:20,793 --> 00:24:22,002
from the crime scene.
471
00:24:22,628 --> 00:24:25,297
Photos didn't come out. There
was a camera malfunction.
472
00:24:25,381 --> 00:24:27,424
Oh, well, that's too bad.
Leah: Yeah.
473
00:24:27,508 --> 00:24:28,777
We're still gonna need
to see those.
474
00:24:28,801 --> 00:24:30,761
And the polygraph results too.
475
00:24:31,512 --> 00:24:33,806
Photos and polygraph,
coming right up.
476
00:24:33,889 --> 00:24:34,890
Okay.
477
00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:38,352
Hey, Danny, this one's on me.
478
00:24:38,435 --> 00:24:40,688
They're guests in our town.
479
00:24:40,771 --> 00:24:41,772
Night, boys.
480
00:24:41,855 --> 00:24:43,315
Thank you. Thank you.
481
00:24:45,567 --> 00:24:47,152
Oh, boy.
482
00:24:47,236 --> 00:24:49,697
Okay, okay. What's next?
483
00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:51,740
Let's go to motive to kill.
All right.
484
00:24:51,824 --> 00:24:54,368
So based on
the detectives' interviews,
485
00:24:54,451 --> 00:24:55,971
it seems like
they're gonna go with the fact
486
00:24:55,995 --> 00:24:58,038
that Russ was this rage
monster who snapped...
487
00:24:58,122 --> 00:25:00,165
Askey will go with that,
sure, but if she's smart,
488
00:25:00,249 --> 00:25:01,875
she'll pile on
a bunch of other reasons.
489
00:25:01,959 --> 00:25:03,335
Or, it could be insurance.
490
00:25:03,419 --> 00:25:05,105
Do you want me to check
to see if Betsy had a policy?
491
00:25:05,129 --> 00:25:06,505
She was terminally ill.
492
00:25:06,588 --> 00:25:08,108
I mean, if he was gonna
kill her for the money,
493
00:25:08,132 --> 00:25:10,092
why wouldn't he just wait
a couple of months?
494
00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:16,181
What about soddis?
"Some other dude did it".
495
00:25:17,391 --> 00:25:18,976
Yeah.
496
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:22,354
I just went through 500 pages
497
00:25:22,438 --> 00:25:25,691
of the daughter's boyfriend's
text messages.
498
00:25:25,774 --> 00:25:27,359
I wouldn't date the guy, and?
499
00:25:27,443 --> 00:25:29,153
But he didn't kill Betsy.
500
00:25:30,029 --> 00:25:32,322
What about that Pam lady?
501
00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:34,950
I mean, she was the last
one to see Betsy alive.
502
00:25:35,034 --> 00:25:36,744
We definitely need
to see her cell records.
503
00:25:36,827 --> 00:25:37,828
Ihavetned.
504
00:25:37,911 --> 00:25:40,330
But the da doesn't seem
to think that we need them.
505
00:25:40,414 --> 00:25:42,583
Yeah, well, that's
because Pam doesn't fit into
506
00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:44,209
what askey wants to see.
507
00:25:44,293 --> 00:25:45,961
That's a good point. Right?
508
00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:55,262
I have to go home
and tuck in the kids
509
00:25:55,345 --> 00:25:57,389
or Chris will get
his panties in a twist.
510
00:25:57,973 --> 00:25:59,933
Yeah, we wouldn't want that,
would we?
511
00:26:00,017 --> 00:26:01,226
Mmm-mmm.
512
00:26:03,062 --> 00:26:04,897
Well, let's see.
513
00:26:04,980 --> 00:26:08,025
There's the bloody smear
on the light switch.
514
00:26:08,108 --> 00:26:10,110
Leah: Test that against Russ.
Okay.
515
00:26:10,194 --> 00:26:14,073
And, then there's
the bloody slippers.
516
00:26:14,156 --> 00:26:16,158
Leah: That is a wrinkle.
517
00:26:16,241 --> 00:26:18,535
Why would he put his
slippers back in the closet
518
00:26:18,619 --> 00:26:20,120
after he killed her?
519
00:26:20,204 --> 00:26:22,039
And weird that there's blood
on the slippers,
520
00:26:22,122 --> 00:26:23,832
but not on his clothes.
521
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:28,670
Maybe he did kill her naked.
522
00:26:31,256 --> 00:26:33,926
So test that against Russ.
Anyone else?
523
00:26:37,304 --> 00:26:39,473
It's my first major murder case.
524
00:26:39,556 --> 00:26:41,767
I...
525
00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:43,435
It's a lot.
526
00:26:47,898 --> 00:26:48,899
Hmm.
527
00:26:52,486 --> 00:26:54,321
Leah: All right.
528
00:26:54,404 --> 00:26:57,533
Well, if you're leaving,
529
00:26:57,616 --> 00:27:00,202
you should probably
take a look at that first.
530
00:27:08,293 --> 00:27:11,130
Narrator: Pam was always
working on something
531
00:27:11,213 --> 00:27:13,257
as she worked her way
to the top.
532
00:27:19,304 --> 00:27:21,140
Hello?
533
00:27:21,223 --> 00:27:23,142
Yeah, that's me.
534
00:27:25,352 --> 00:27:27,062
Yeah, I could do that.
535
00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:31,191
See you then.
536
00:27:31,275 --> 00:27:32,609
Mmm-hmm.
537
00:27:36,446 --> 00:27:39,408
The da wants to talk to me.
538
00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:40,784
Again?
539
00:27:40,868 --> 00:27:43,162
No, Travis, try and keep up.
540
00:27:43,287 --> 00:27:46,206
That was the cops
I talked to last time.
541
00:27:47,958 --> 00:27:50,002
This is the da.
542
00:27:50,085 --> 00:27:52,963
Narrator: Just now,
she had a story to tell
543
00:27:53,046 --> 00:27:56,300
and just the right person
to tell it to.
544
00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:09,730
Joel.
545
00:28:09,813 --> 00:28:11,273
I like your pocket square.
546
00:28:11,356 --> 00:28:12,836
There's not many men
that can pull off
547
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:15,402
a pink pocket square.
548
00:28:15,485 --> 00:28:18,030
We're here
for Pam hupp's cell data.
549
00:28:18,113 --> 00:28:19,323
Yeah.
550
00:28:19,406 --> 00:28:22,034
You can go ahead
and analyze the phone anytime.
551
00:28:22,117 --> 00:28:24,036
No, not the phone itself.
552
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,538
The raw data is converted
into a readable map
553
00:28:26,622 --> 00:28:29,041
for both sides. Okay.
554
00:28:29,124 --> 00:28:30,167
Go for it.
555
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:31,585
The state's analysis center
556
00:28:31,668 --> 00:28:33,646
is the one that makes the map.
And you and I both know
557
00:28:33,670 --> 00:28:35,756
that we don't have access
to those services.
558
00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:38,175
Only you can make that request
to the sheriff's office.
559
00:28:38,258 --> 00:28:39,384
So, how do you suggest
560
00:28:39,468 --> 00:28:41,887
we convert raw cell data
on our own?
561
00:28:42,804 --> 00:28:44,139
I don't know, Joel.
562
00:28:44,223 --> 00:28:45,307
Google it?
563
00:28:46,975 --> 00:28:48,185
Nah. Leah: No.
564
00:28:48,268 --> 00:28:50,312
No, you'll send me the cell map
565
00:28:50,395 --> 00:28:52,522
and the luminol photos.
Which I have been requesting.
566
00:28:52,606 --> 00:28:54,500
And the physical evidence and
everything else that you have
567
00:28:54,524 --> 00:28:56,109
because that is how this works.
568
00:28:56,610 --> 00:28:57,861
Right, you old pro.
569
00:28:57,945 --> 00:29:00,197
I'm gonna have Tina
put together a disc for you.
570
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,032
A really nice disc.
571
00:29:02,115 --> 00:29:03,325
Look forward to that.
572
00:29:03,408 --> 00:29:05,077
That was easy.
573
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,120
Thanks for coming
all the way down!
574
00:29:08,455 --> 00:29:09,915
What a baby.
575
00:29:25,722 --> 00:29:27,683
Mom would have hated this.
576
00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:29,935
They really tore
the place apart.
577
00:29:33,146 --> 00:29:36,441
Um, I'm... I'm just
gonna get my new kitten
578
00:29:36,525 --> 00:29:39,194
and then we can
just get out of here.
579
00:30:06,722 --> 00:30:08,849
How can you even look at him?
580
00:30:08,932 --> 00:30:10,392
Justbecause
you don't like him...
581
00:30:10,475 --> 00:30:11,768
He called me the c-word.
582
00:30:11,852 --> 00:30:13,353
'Cause you stole money
from grandma.
583
00:30:13,437 --> 00:30:14,646
Shut up.
584
00:30:14,855 --> 00:30:18,483
Whatever. Let's just go.
Come on.
585
00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:23,196
Mom always left those on.
586
00:30:37,252 --> 00:30:38,337
Wait.
587
00:30:39,629 --> 00:30:41,173
It looks like Pam
took two showers.
588
00:30:41,256 --> 00:30:43,342
One the night Betsy died,
589
00:30:43,425 --> 00:30:44,926
and one the next morning.
590
00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:46,094
What the hell?
591
00:30:46,178 --> 00:30:48,847
This latest cell phone info
from the prosecution,
592
00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:50,223
it's useless.
593
00:30:50,307 --> 00:30:52,726
This is thousands of pages,
594
00:30:52,809 --> 00:30:54,978
thousands of pages of garbage.
595
00:30:56,813 --> 00:30:58,648
Nothing in this case is easy.
596
00:31:02,152 --> 00:31:04,696
Narrator: Here they were,
together at last.
597
00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:06,698
Narrator: Pam and Leah askey,
598
00:31:06,782 --> 00:31:08,909
just two public servants
599
00:31:08,992 --> 00:31:11,620
working for the common good.
600
00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:13,747
Hi.
601
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:16,750
Sorry I am such a sweaty Betty.
602
00:31:16,833 --> 00:31:18,794
I came straight from zumba.
603
00:31:18,877 --> 00:31:20,587
You do zumba? I do zumba.
604
00:31:20,670 --> 00:31:23,131
Tuesday, Thursday.
I'm Wednesday, Friday.
605
00:31:24,674 --> 00:31:26,927
It is so nice
to officially meet you.
606
00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:29,304
Mmm-hmm. Have a seat.
607
00:31:29,429 --> 00:31:34,267
You have been through so much.
608
00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:40,023
Joel, look at this.
609
00:31:40,107 --> 00:31:41,942
That's to do
with the life insurance.
610
00:31:43,193 --> 00:31:44,319
Oh, Russ,
611
00:31:44,403 --> 00:31:47,531
he was just getting
really creepy, you know?
612
00:31:47,614 --> 00:31:51,118
And... and he was making
her really nervous...
613
00:31:51,201 --> 00:31:52,202
Mmm-hmm.
614
00:31:52,285 --> 00:31:53,662
With the pillow. Mmm-hmm.
615
00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:55,205
And, you know, she'd turn around
616
00:31:55,288 --> 00:31:57,624
and he'd just be,
like, staring at her.
617
00:31:57,707 --> 00:31:58,917
Stuff like that.
618
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,669
And four days
before he killed her...
619
00:32:00,752 --> 00:32:03,171
Betsy changed the
beneficiary from Russ to Pam.
620
00:32:06,550 --> 00:32:08,802
We got Pam's motive to kill.
621
00:32:09,136 --> 00:32:10,303
Soddi.
622
00:32:13,807 --> 00:32:16,184
Leah: This change of
beneficiary thing is really
623
00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:18,979
gonna help our case. Oh, my god.
624
00:32:19,062 --> 00:32:20,897
You think Russ found out
about it
625
00:32:20,981 --> 00:32:22,607
and that's what made him snap.
626
00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:24,935
Betsy took him off the policy
627
00:32:24,985 --> 00:32:26,820
and he killed her
in a fit of rage.
628
00:32:26,903 --> 00:32:29,906
Well, that makes total
sense. Unfortunately,
629
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:32,784
Betsy's like a lot of
abused women I've seen,
630
00:32:32,868 --> 00:32:35,036
just trapped in a bad marriage,
631
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,122
trying to make it okay
for the kids.
632
00:32:37,205 --> 00:32:38,748
Right. That was the idea.
633
00:32:38,832 --> 00:32:40,041
And everyone knows
634
00:32:40,125 --> 00:32:42,043
that Russ is kinda rough
around the edges.
635
00:32:42,127 --> 00:32:44,671
Well, I'm gonna make
him pay for what he's done.
636
00:32:44,754 --> 00:32:48,425
But, I need someone
who really knows
637
00:32:48,508 --> 00:32:51,803
Betsy and Russ' relationship.
638
00:32:51,887 --> 00:32:54,264
To testify, you mean.
639
00:32:54,347 --> 00:32:56,433
Yeah.
640
00:32:56,516 --> 00:32:59,811
Well, I know everything about it
641
00:32:59,895 --> 00:33:02,522
'cause Betsy told me.
642
00:33:02,606 --> 00:33:04,274
That's great.
643
00:33:04,357 --> 00:33:07,736
Thank you
for agreeing to testify.
644
00:33:07,819 --> 00:33:10,363
Narrator: Sometimes,
it's best to let the fish
645
00:33:10,447 --> 00:33:12,782
think it's catching you.
646
00:33:13,825 --> 00:33:15,145
I was just trying
to help her out.
647
00:33:15,202 --> 00:33:17,621
So when bets says she wanted
to put my name on the policy,
648
00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:20,248
I said, "whatever you
think is best."
649
00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:24,920
She was like, "well,
anything's better than Russ".
650
00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:27,172
Narrator: Sometimes you cast
so many lines
651
00:33:27,255 --> 00:33:29,299
into that little pond,
652
00:33:29,382 --> 00:33:31,259
it makes a web.
653
00:33:33,345 --> 00:33:35,639
He's not good with money.
654
00:33:35,722 --> 00:33:39,226
Mmm. Mmm.
655
00:33:39,309 --> 00:33:40,894
I guess Betsy was just like
656
00:33:40,977 --> 00:33:43,480
a lot of women out there,
you know?
657
00:33:43,563 --> 00:33:46,358
Just... a bad marriage,
658
00:33:46,441 --> 00:33:48,944
trying to take care of the kids.
659
00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:50,111
Mmm.
660
00:33:51,821 --> 00:33:53,657
Now that's all on me.
661
00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:56,618
Well, I can sort that out
for you.
662
00:33:56,701 --> 00:33:57,786
Oh, no.
663
00:33:57,869 --> 00:34:00,163
Or... or Tammy can.
No, I got it.
664
00:34:00,247 --> 00:34:01,623
I can take care of those girls.
665
00:34:01,706 --> 00:34:03,750
Set up a trust for 'em
and everything.
666
00:34:04,793 --> 00:34:07,462
I have been
667
00:34:07,546 --> 00:34:12,384
thanking god for you
every night, Pam.
668
00:34:12,467 --> 00:34:15,095
Don't thank him for me yet.
669
00:34:15,178 --> 00:34:19,266
I still gotta testify
against Russ.
670
00:34:21,059 --> 00:34:22,477
Pam: Well,
671
00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:27,065
Janet was practically begging
me to handle the money.
672
00:34:27,148 --> 00:34:30,944
You know what I had
to do to get it.
673
00:34:31,027 --> 00:34:32,862
Hell and back.
674
00:34:32,946 --> 00:34:35,365
State acres has this
new phone tree thing.
675
00:34:35,448 --> 00:34:37,033
When you call, it takes forever.
676
00:34:37,117 --> 00:34:40,078
Finally got an old contact
of mine from hq, dusty.
677
00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:42,831
Seems like dusty's got
bumped up through the ranks.
678
00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:44,666
Totally remembered me too.
679
00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:47,544
"Oh, Pam, how you doing?
How's Mark"?
680
00:34:47,627 --> 00:34:48,962
That's good. Yeah, so, you know.
681
00:34:49,045 --> 00:34:51,756
I said, "good. Betsy's
dead. Can I get that money?"
682
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,343
And he pulled the trigger
for me right then.
683
00:34:55,885 --> 00:34:57,554
So you're good?
684
00:34:57,637 --> 00:34:58,847
Yeah.
685
00:35:01,558 --> 00:35:03,268
Don't stress about the house.
686
00:35:03,351 --> 00:35:07,105
Get a whole team out there
to kill that mold.
687
00:35:07,897 --> 00:35:10,317
I1lbetyou1lget that facelift
688
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,735
you've been wanting.
689
00:35:12,652 --> 00:35:16,531
Mom, I don't know what
you're even talking about.
690
00:35:16,615 --> 00:35:18,491
Well, your face does.
691
00:35:25,624 --> 00:35:27,542
Oops.
692
00:35:42,432 --> 00:35:46,186
So, um, I was able to run
Pam's record one more time.
693
00:35:46,269 --> 00:35:47,312
Came back clean.
694
00:35:47,395 --> 00:35:49,356
We got a spotless queen
695
00:35:49,439 --> 00:35:50,791
it does sound like
she likes to bring on
696
00:35:50,815 --> 00:35:52,359
a lot of lawsuits.
697
00:35:52,442 --> 00:35:54,611
Her neighbors said
Pam talked about suing
698
00:35:54,694 --> 00:35:56,488
the hospital
where her son was born
699
00:35:56,571 --> 00:35:58,615
for giving him cerebral palsy.
700
00:35:58,698 --> 00:36:00,283
Guess that didn't work out.
701
00:36:00,367 --> 00:36:02,327
Hoped to sue for palsy
702
00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:04,162
then she claimed
that a filing cabinet
703
00:36:04,245 --> 00:36:05,830
fell on her head at work.
704
00:36:05,914 --> 00:36:07,374
Well, that's pretty ballsy
705
00:36:08,958 --> 00:36:11,628
Hupp, hupp, hupp it up
706
00:36:11,711 --> 00:36:13,755
hupp, hupp hey,
will you check this out?
707
00:36:18,677 --> 00:36:20,512
Is that Leah askey?
708
00:36:20,595 --> 00:36:22,097
That is Chris mennemeyer,
709
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:24,224
who, by the way,
gave out homemade cookies
710
00:36:24,307 --> 00:36:25,892
when she ran
for the judge's seat.
711
00:36:25,975 --> 00:36:29,104
So, the judge and Leah askey
went to high school together?
712
00:36:29,187 --> 00:36:30,814
Should we be worried?
713
00:36:30,897 --> 00:36:31,940
So we had this...
714
00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:33,483
Narrator:
There are a lot of things
715
00:36:33,566 --> 00:36:36,027
you could say about Pam hupp.
716
00:36:36,111 --> 00:36:37,487
A... a ten-year plan.
717
00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:40,281
Narrator: One is
that she is cooperative.
718
00:36:40,365 --> 00:36:41,950
Well, the ten-year turned to 12,
719
00:36:42,033 --> 00:36:44,452
'cause 2008, the bottom
falls out, hits really hard,
720
00:36:44,536 --> 00:36:47,247
so we flip houses on the side
and got plenty of money.
721
00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:49,082
Okay. It's...
And a couple of months ago
722
00:36:49,165 --> 00:36:52,085
um, I had to put my mom
in a home and it's pricey.
723
00:36:52,168 --> 00:36:53,461
You know, my mom's got Alzheimer
724
00:36:53,545 --> 00:36:55,213
sure. And dementia
and all of that.
725
00:36:55,296 --> 00:36:57,006
That's why the insurance money
726
00:36:57,090 --> 00:36:58,883
is just sitting there.
I'm too busy.
727
00:36:58,967 --> 00:37:00,486
Of course, I want to set up
that trust though.
728
00:37:00,510 --> 00:37:02,405
Right, right, right, right.
So thanks for coming in
729
00:37:02,429 --> 00:37:03,972
to talk about
the insurance payout.
730
00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:05,890
Mmm-hmm. Okay, the 150,000,
731
00:37:05,974 --> 00:37:08,476
that's in a separate account
than your own.
732
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,606
Uh, it's just sitting
in my checking account.
733
00:37:15,817 --> 00:37:16,901
Okay.
734
00:37:18,153 --> 00:37:20,131
We can go to the computer
and pull it up right now.
735
00:37:20,155 --> 00:37:22,115
No, no, no, no. L_
736
00:37:22,198 --> 00:37:23,908
No, no, I'm just saying,
737
00:37:23,992 --> 00:37:28,037
to me, in my world,
150k is not that much.
738
00:37:28,121 --> 00:37:30,623
And it! Really,
I mean, I hate to say it,
739
00:37:30,707 --> 00:37:32,417
but if I wanted the money,
740
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:36,588
my mom is worth half a million
that I get when she dies.
741
00:37:36,671 --> 00:37:38,965
So... and I know that
thatsounds_.
742
00:37:39,048 --> 00:37:40,568
That sounds morbid
and stuff like that...
743
00:37:40,592 --> 00:37:42,427
So... but you intend
to set up...
744
00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:44,012
I'm a life insurance person.
745
00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:45,180
I know. I know.
746
00:37:45,263 --> 00:37:46,264
But you do intend on
747
00:37:46,347 --> 00:37:48,057
setting up the trust
for Betsy's girls.
748
00:37:48,141 --> 00:37:49,851
Absolutely. Mmm-hmm. Yeah.
749
00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:51,978
Just as soon
as we flip this house.
750
00:37:52,061 --> 00:37:53,438
'Cause, you know,
money's tied up
751
00:37:53,521 --> 00:37:56,316
and I still have physical
problems I see doctors for.
752
00:37:56,399 --> 00:37:57,501
It would be good for you, Pam,
753
00:37:57,525 --> 00:37:59,319
and it'll help
our case against Russ
754
00:37:59,402 --> 00:38:01,488
if that money's no longer
in your possession.
755
00:38:01,571 --> 00:38:03,406
How does it help me exactly?
756
00:38:03,531 --> 00:38:04,824
Well, you know, Schwartz,
757
00:38:04,908 --> 00:38:06,510
he might say you had
something to do with the murder
758
00:38:06,534 --> 00:38:09,746
'cause of a... because
of a financial windfall.
759
00:38:13,166 --> 00:38:15,335
Here I am trying to help
Betsy's family
760
00:38:15,418 --> 00:38:17,670
on top of my own, and...
761
00:38:17,754 --> 00:38:19,774
What are the possibilities?
I'm sorry for interrupting,
762
00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:22,091
but what are the possibilities
you get this trust set up
763
00:38:22,175 --> 00:38:24,594
for the girls before the trial?
764
00:38:26,429 --> 00:38:28,264
A hundred.
765
00:38:28,348 --> 00:38:32,101
100% it will be setup.
766
00:38:32,185 --> 00:38:35,563
And you'll call me
when you do it?
767
00:38:35,647 --> 00:38:37,148
Yeah, I will.
768
00:38:37,232 --> 00:38:41,236
Narrator: That's Pam,
working toward a common goal.
769
00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:42,403
I will.
770
00:38:42,487 --> 00:38:45,365
Narrator: Even if
it'll come back to haunt
771
00:38:45,448 --> 00:38:47,784
the Lincoln county
sheriff's office.
772
00:38:52,497 --> 00:38:54,666
Swanson: Did arby's today.
773
00:38:54,749 --> 00:38:56,334
Turns out the timestamp
on the receipt
774
00:38:56,417 --> 00:38:59,254
is when the order was placed,
not received.
775
00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:02,465
Well, there you go. That adds at
least five minutes to Russ' drive.
776
00:39:02,549 --> 00:39:03,818
There's no way
he could've gotten home
777
00:39:03,842 --> 00:39:05,218
in time to kill Betsy.
778
00:39:05,301 --> 00:39:07,345
Yeah, and I still don't see
any luminol photos
779
00:39:07,428 --> 00:39:08,888
in this latest bundle
from askey.
780
00:39:10,557 --> 00:39:12,517
So they found Russ'
bloody slippers in the closet,
781
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:13,935
but no luminol photos to show
782
00:39:14,018 --> 00:39:15,621
that any bloody footprints
were cleaned up.
783
00:39:15,645 --> 00:39:17,230
Nope.
784
00:39:17,313 --> 00:39:20,191
I've been thinking a lot
about these murder slippers.
785
00:39:20,275 --> 00:39:23,987
How they look like
they were dipped in blood.
786
00:39:24,070 --> 00:39:26,531
There's also blood
on Betsy's socks.
787
00:39:26,823 --> 00:39:28,908
Like, why is there blood
on Betsy's socks
788
00:39:28,992 --> 00:39:32,036
if all of the blood loss
is around her neck and arms?
789
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,580
And the socks
are only on halfway,
790
00:39:33,663 --> 00:39:35,957
like someone put them
back on her in a hurry.
791
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,459
They used the sock gloves
792
00:39:38,543 --> 00:39:41,212
to transport
the murder slippers?
793
00:39:41,296 --> 00:39:43,006
Yes?
794
00:39:43,131 --> 00:39:44,883
Right? Play it out.
795
00:39:44,966 --> 00:39:47,135
They take the slippers,
they dip 'em in blood.
796
00:39:47,218 --> 00:39:48,678
They get blood on the socks.
797
00:39:48,761 --> 00:39:49,804
They're in a rush.
798
00:39:49,888 --> 00:39:51,848
They hit the bedroom
light switch,
799
00:39:51,931 --> 00:39:53,808
which is why it looks
like a bloody smear...
800
00:39:53,892 --> 00:39:55,476
And not a fingerprint.
801
00:39:57,437 --> 00:40:00,690
No fingerprints,
no evidence of a cleanup.
802
00:40:00,773 --> 00:40:02,734
But even ifaskey says
those luminol photos
803
00:40:02,817 --> 00:40:04,235
didn't turn out,
we still need 'em.
804
00:40:04,319 --> 00:40:05,570
No, I'll stay on her.
805
00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:07,280
And we still need
polygraph results too,
806
00:40:07,363 --> 00:40:09,073
if those even exist.
807
00:40:09,157 --> 00:40:10,742
They said... you can't fail
808
00:40:10,825 --> 00:40:12,535
a polygraph 100%, right?
809
00:40:12,619 --> 00:40:13,745
It's not a thing.
810
00:40:13,828 --> 00:40:15,622
Well, they can't use it
in court anyway.
811
00:40:15,705 --> 00:40:17,874
And don't forget about
the dozen phone calls
812
00:40:17,957 --> 00:40:19,584
from Pam to Betsy,
813
00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:23,713
but we don't have any records
from Pam's phone, so...
814
00:40:23,796 --> 00:40:25,632
Even without all of that,
815
00:40:25,715 --> 00:40:28,426
we can still prove
he got home too late.
816
00:40:28,509 --> 00:40:31,137
Got his alibi.
817
00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:33,389
We gota soddi.
818
00:40:40,855 --> 00:40:43,316
Hey, Russ. How you doing?
819
00:40:43,399 --> 00:40:45,026
Not great.
820
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:47,487
I haven't heard from my girls.
821
00:40:47,570 --> 00:40:49,530
I mean, radio silence.
822
00:40:49,614 --> 00:40:52,033
It's not like Mariah.
823
00:40:52,116 --> 00:40:54,160
I just...
824
00:40:54,869 --> 00:40:57,121
I want to make things better,
I guess.
825
00:40:57,205 --> 00:40:59,266
Schwartz: Yeah,
well, the trial's right around the corner
826
00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:02,085
and I'm going to make sure
they see the Pam of it. Okay.
827
00:41:02,168 --> 00:41:04,754
And you are gonna
get your girls back
828
00:41:04,837 --> 00:41:07,423
because we got one thing
on our side that they don't,
829
00:41:07,507 --> 00:41:11,636
and it's a luxury that
I'm used to working without.
830
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,721
What's that?
831
00:41:13,805 --> 00:41:16,265
The truth.
832
00:41:16,349 --> 00:41:19,894
Narrator: Ah, truth.
A powerful thing.
833
00:41:22,605 --> 00:41:26,693
But can it prevail in
a tight-knit town like Troy?
834
00:41:26,776 --> 00:41:29,112
Schwartz might want to keep
wife killers on the streets,
835
00:41:29,195 --> 00:41:30,571
but by the grace of god,
836
00:41:30,655 --> 00:41:33,950
I am putting
this one away. Whoo!
837
00:41:34,033 --> 00:41:35,201
Cheers to you!
838
00:41:46,421 --> 00:41:48,756
Yes. Yes!
839
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,174
Whoo-hoo!
840
00:41:53,011 --> 00:41:56,389
Hey, let's get this hero
another shot!
841
00:41:58,766 --> 00:42:00,184
Um, sir?
842
00:42:00,268 --> 00:42:01,811
Another Shirley temple, sir.
843
00:42:01,894 --> 00:42:03,688
Sir? Hello?
844
00:42:12,739 --> 00:42:15,199
Narrator:
A tight-knit town indeed.
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