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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,570 --> 00:00:18,445 ( camera rolling ) 2 00:00:21,071 --> 00:00:23,029 ( music playing ) 3 00:00:32,112 --> 00:00:36,445 Steven Spielberg: I started making movies when I was a young kid, 4 00:00:36,445 --> 00:00:41,112 but I remember the time I almost gave up my dream of being a movie director. 5 00:00:41,112 --> 00:00:43,487 I must have been 16. 6 00:00:43,487 --> 00:00:45,445 ( music playing ) 7 00:00:50,779 --> 00:00:53,529 Spielberg: A movie came into town called "Lawrence of Arabia," 8 00:00:53,529 --> 00:00:55,946 and everybody was talking about it. 9 00:00:55,946 --> 00:00:58,737 I never sat in a fancy theater seat before. 10 00:00:58,737 --> 00:01:02,112 Premium ticket price, 70mm projection, 11 00:01:02,112 --> 00:01:03,445 stereophonic sound. 12 00:01:05,862 --> 00:01:07,278 And when the film was over, 13 00:01:07,278 --> 00:01:10,029 I wanted to not be a director anymore 14 00:01:10,029 --> 00:01:12,320 because the bar was too high. 15 00:01:15,153 --> 00:01:19,029 There was a scene where he looked at himself in that sword/knife, 16 00:01:19,029 --> 00:01:21,320 when he was first given the robes 17 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:22,779 and he thought he was alone. 18 00:01:22,779 --> 00:01:24,487 And he walked around laughing 19 00:01:24,487 --> 00:01:27,529 and looking at his shadow where the diaphanous robe 20 00:01:27,529 --> 00:01:29,153 he was holding out was actually imprinted 21 00:01:29,153 --> 00:01:31,029 - on the sand in shadow. - ( laughs ) 22 00:01:31,029 --> 00:01:32,821 It was a great moment. 23 00:01:32,821 --> 00:01:36,153 And then later, when they route the retreating Turks, 24 00:01:36,153 --> 00:01:38,821 you see him again covered in gore. 25 00:01:38,821 --> 00:01:41,987 And he's got the knife in the same position he had it 26 00:01:41,987 --> 00:01:44,779 in his pristine days, in his glory days. 27 00:01:44,779 --> 00:01:48,987 And he's looking at himself, who he's become. 28 00:01:48,987 --> 00:01:51,153 It was the first time, seeing a movie, 29 00:01:51,153 --> 00:01:54,862 I realized that there are themes that aren't narrative story themes. 30 00:01:54,862 --> 00:01:57,737 There are themes that are character themes, that are personal themes. 31 00:01:57,737 --> 00:02:00,278 That David Lean created a portraiture, 32 00:02:00,278 --> 00:02:02,862 surrounded the portrait with a mural 33 00:02:02,862 --> 00:02:04,779 of scope and epic action, 34 00:02:04,779 --> 00:02:09,071 but at the heart and core of "Lawrence of Arabia" 35 00:02:09,071 --> 00:02:11,570 is "Who am I"? 36 00:02:11,570 --> 00:02:13,862 - ( gunfire ) - ( all yelling ) 37 00:02:13,862 --> 00:02:19,779 Spielberg: I had such a profound reaction to the filmmaking, 38 00:02:19,779 --> 00:02:23,195 and I went back and saw the film a week later. 39 00:02:23,195 --> 00:02:25,445 I saw the film a week after that. 40 00:02:25,445 --> 00:02:27,403 And I saw the film a week after that. 41 00:02:27,403 --> 00:02:29,904 And I realized that there was no going back, 42 00:02:29,904 --> 00:02:32,654 that this was going to be what I was gonna do 43 00:02:32,654 --> 00:02:35,278 or I was gonna die trying. 44 00:02:35,278 --> 00:02:38,278 But this was going to be the rest of my life. 45 00:02:38,278 --> 00:02:40,237 ( music playing ) 46 00:03:06,946 --> 00:03:09,071 ( explosion ) 47 00:03:13,737 --> 00:03:15,862 ( music continues ) 48 00:03:37,112 --> 00:03:39,987 ( roaring ) 49 00:03:41,529 --> 00:03:43,445 ( distant explosions ) 50 00:03:50,946 --> 00:03:53,112 ( music continues ) 51 00:04:36,862 --> 00:04:39,612 And then trying to get-- it felt lined up. 52 00:04:39,612 --> 00:04:42,029 - Man: The camera just gotta go right. - Just a little bit lower. 53 00:04:42,029 --> 00:04:43,987 That's good right there. That's perfect. 54 00:04:43,987 --> 00:04:45,654 Yeah, camera has to go right a bit, please. 55 00:04:45,654 --> 00:04:47,195 Go right. 56 00:04:47,195 --> 00:04:48,987 - Right, right, right, right. - Man: Can you get there? 57 00:04:48,987 --> 00:04:50,862 Right there would be good. 58 00:04:50,862 --> 00:04:53,487 Spielberg: Every time I start a new scene, I'm nervous. 59 00:04:53,487 --> 00:04:56,071 And it's like going to school, having to take a test. 60 00:04:56,071 --> 00:04:58,278 I never heard the lines spoken before. 61 00:04:58,278 --> 00:05:00,071 I don't know what I'm gonna think of hearing the lines, 62 00:05:00,071 --> 00:05:01,612 I don't know what I'm gonna tell the actors, 63 00:05:01,612 --> 00:05:03,403 I don't know where I'm gonna put the camera. 64 00:05:03,403 --> 00:05:05,946 And every single time, it's the same. 65 00:05:05,946 --> 00:05:07,779 But I tell you, it's the greatest feeling in the world. 66 00:05:07,779 --> 00:05:09,195 I'll tell you why it's a good feeling. 67 00:05:09,195 --> 00:05:11,403 The more I'm feeling confident 68 00:05:11,403 --> 00:05:13,737 and secure about something, 69 00:05:13,737 --> 00:05:15,821 the less I'm gonna put out. 70 00:05:15,821 --> 00:05:19,821 The more I'm feeling, "Uh-oh, this could be a major problem 71 00:05:19,821 --> 00:05:21,529 in getting the story told," 72 00:05:21,529 --> 00:05:23,445 I'm gonna work overtime to meet the challenge 73 00:05:23,445 --> 00:05:25,029 and get the job done. 74 00:05:25,029 --> 00:05:27,071 All right, that's done. I don't know if it's worth it. 75 00:05:27,071 --> 00:05:29,529 Spielberg: And so, I hate the feeling of being nervous, 76 00:05:29,529 --> 00:05:31,612 but I need to feel in this moment 77 00:05:31,612 --> 00:05:34,654 I'm really not sure what I'm doing. 78 00:05:34,654 --> 00:05:39,737 And when that verges on panic, I get great ideas. 79 00:05:39,737 --> 00:05:42,695 The more I feel backed into a corner, 80 00:05:42,695 --> 00:05:44,112 the more rewarding it becomes 81 00:05:44,112 --> 00:05:45,487 when I figure my way out of the corner. 82 00:05:45,487 --> 00:05:47,195 I love it. Next shot. 83 00:05:47,195 --> 00:05:48,570 Good. 84 00:05:48,570 --> 00:05:51,403 - ( music playing ) - ( muffled chatter ) 85 00:06:07,862 --> 00:06:09,987 ( yelling ) 86 00:06:09,987 --> 00:06:12,112 - Did you see that? - Yes. 87 00:06:12,112 --> 00:06:14,195 ( screams ) 88 00:06:14,195 --> 00:06:17,112 ( muffled screaming ) 89 00:06:19,779 --> 00:06:22,237 Martin Scorsese: I remember when Steven was in production on "Jaws," 90 00:06:22,237 --> 00:06:24,654 the word around town and in the "LA Times" 91 00:06:24,654 --> 00:06:27,570 was that it was folly and that it was gonna be a disaster. 92 00:06:30,487 --> 00:06:33,612 Richard Dreyfuss: "Jaws" started filming on May 2nd. 93 00:06:33,612 --> 00:06:35,904 I was hired, I think, on May 3rd, 94 00:06:35,904 --> 00:06:39,529 and they had no shark, no script, and no cast 95 00:06:39,529 --> 00:06:41,946 when they first started, so... 96 00:06:41,946 --> 00:06:43,737 The script was never locked. 97 00:06:43,737 --> 00:06:45,904 We were rewriting the script 98 00:06:45,904 --> 00:06:48,904 12 hours before we were shooting what we just wrote. 99 00:06:48,904 --> 00:06:51,237 You know, it's scary for a director to not know 100 00:06:51,237 --> 00:06:53,946 if he's gonna be able to hand pages to his cast the next morning. 101 00:06:53,946 --> 00:06:55,695 Man: Guys, we can't shoot right now. 102 00:06:55,695 --> 00:06:57,278 - Hold on. - Man #2: Hold on. 103 00:06:57,278 --> 00:06:59,487 Spielberg: This is my second day at sea 104 00:06:59,487 --> 00:07:02,695 and I have 54 more days to go. 105 00:07:02,695 --> 00:07:05,695 And if I survive this, 106 00:07:05,695 --> 00:07:08,821 I'll have learned a lot, because right now all I can tell you is 107 00:07:08,821 --> 00:07:12,445 it's twice as slow shooting at sea as it is shooting on land. 108 00:07:12,445 --> 00:07:16,403 Bill Butler: Well, the studio had never shot a film on the ocean before. 109 00:07:16,403 --> 00:07:18,237 They would do it on the back lake. 110 00:07:18,237 --> 00:07:20,987 They would do it in a studio tank. 111 00:07:20,987 --> 00:07:22,529 They would make miniature boats. 112 00:07:22,529 --> 00:07:24,654 They would-- everything would be so easy 113 00:07:24,654 --> 00:07:27,320 that you would never get cold or wet. 114 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,362 But Steven said, "I'm gonna shoot in the open ocean." 115 00:07:30,362 --> 00:07:31,987 Roll sound. 116 00:07:31,987 --> 00:07:34,153 Spielberg: This was supposed to be a thriller 117 00:07:34,153 --> 00:07:36,695 based on people like you and me that are out of our element 118 00:07:36,695 --> 00:07:40,362 and having to fight something we have no comprehension how to deal with. 119 00:07:40,362 --> 00:07:42,362 That needs a level of authenticity 120 00:07:42,362 --> 00:07:44,362 that I thought shooting it in the back lot 121 00:07:44,362 --> 00:07:46,904 at Universal in North Hollywood would not give it. 122 00:07:46,904 --> 00:07:49,487 So, to me, there was no going back. 123 00:07:49,487 --> 00:07:51,403 It had to be shot in the ocean. 124 00:07:51,403 --> 00:07:52,904 ( music playing ) 125 00:07:58,821 --> 00:08:01,362 Spielberg: I thought it was gonna be a cakewalk, 126 00:08:01,362 --> 00:08:03,821 but I didn't know anything about tides or currents. 127 00:08:03,821 --> 00:08:06,029 I didn't know about how the wind affects the water, 128 00:08:06,029 --> 00:08:08,278 how the color of the sky changes the color of the water, 129 00:08:08,278 --> 00:08:10,403 or how you can't get anything to match. 130 00:08:10,403 --> 00:08:14,278 It was one nightmare, worst-case scenario after the other. 131 00:08:14,278 --> 00:08:15,987 I didn't think we'd ever finish. 132 00:08:15,987 --> 00:08:18,570 I had just assumed I'd be fired off the picture. 133 00:08:21,904 --> 00:08:25,195 We were isolated in the middle of the ocean, 12 miles offshore, 134 00:08:25,195 --> 00:08:30,862 and it was technology over art every single day. 135 00:08:30,862 --> 00:08:33,320 We'd get a shot, art was there, 136 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,112 but you couldn't recognize the art from the effort. 137 00:08:37,112 --> 00:08:40,612 Just trying to hold a whole movie story in my head 138 00:08:40,612 --> 00:08:43,821 is a very lonely thing, because nobody can really help me with that. 139 00:08:43,821 --> 00:08:46,071 I have to see it before I film it. 140 00:08:46,071 --> 00:08:47,737 And that's why it was so scary on "Jaws"-- 141 00:08:47,737 --> 00:08:49,904 when I couldn't see it until I finally did. 142 00:08:52,529 --> 00:08:55,946 Just before I went off to make "Jaws," I got to meet Henry Hathaway. 143 00:08:55,946 --> 00:08:58,237 He was kind of a tough-guy director, and he said, 144 00:08:58,237 --> 00:09:00,862 "There's gonna be moments where you're gonna get to the set 145 00:09:00,862 --> 00:09:03,112 and you're not gonna know what the hell you're doing. 146 00:09:03,112 --> 00:09:04,529 It happens to all of us. 147 00:09:04,529 --> 00:09:07,570 You've gotta guard that secret with your life. 148 00:09:07,570 --> 00:09:10,862 Let no one see when you're unsure of yourself. 149 00:09:10,862 --> 00:09:12,445 Hide that from everybody, 150 00:09:12,445 --> 00:09:14,862 or you'll lose the respect of everyone." 151 00:09:14,862 --> 00:09:16,862 Man: Marker. 152 00:09:16,862 --> 00:09:18,487 - Man #2: Good blood. - Spielberg: And... ready? 153 00:09:18,487 --> 00:09:21,112 - And action, Roy. - Slow ahead. 154 00:09:21,112 --> 00:09:22,779 I can go slow ahead. 155 00:09:22,779 --> 00:09:25,278 You ought to come down and ladle some of this shit. 156 00:09:30,362 --> 00:09:32,320 Spielberg: And down. 157 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,403 Absolutely everything was falling apart. 158 00:09:35,403 --> 00:09:37,946 The first time we tested the shark, it sunk. 159 00:09:37,946 --> 00:09:39,779 It would come up out of the water and go... 160 00:09:39,779 --> 00:09:43,071 ( vocalizing ) Like that. 161 00:09:43,071 --> 00:09:45,529 Spielberg: I knew that it's gonna take 162 00:09:45,529 --> 00:09:47,153 three or four weeks to rebuild the shark, 163 00:09:47,153 --> 00:09:49,320 and so we'd have to make up something else 164 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:50,946 that didn't exactly show the shark 165 00:09:50,946 --> 00:09:53,153 but gave the sense the shark was near. 166 00:09:59,403 --> 00:10:00,779 Bring it around after him! 167 00:10:00,779 --> 00:10:03,487 Spielberg: The barrels were a godsend, 168 00:10:03,487 --> 00:10:08,487 because I didn't need to show the shark as long as those barrels were around. 169 00:10:08,487 --> 00:10:11,320 What you don't see is generally scarier than what you do see, 170 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,195 and the script was filled with "shark." 171 00:10:14,195 --> 00:10:16,695 Shark here, shark there, shark everywhere. 172 00:10:16,695 --> 00:10:18,821 The movie doesn't have very much shark in it. 173 00:10:22,695 --> 00:10:24,695 ( boat engine starting ) 174 00:10:24,695 --> 00:10:27,403 John Williams: If the shark had been available visually, 175 00:10:27,403 --> 00:10:29,987 it might have changed the whole psychology 176 00:10:29,987 --> 00:10:31,695 of the experience. 177 00:10:31,695 --> 00:10:34,987 ( music playing ) 178 00:10:34,987 --> 00:10:37,403 Williams: When you hear, "boom-boom, boom-boom," 179 00:10:37,403 --> 00:10:40,487 you've already been conditioned to think that's when the shark is present. 180 00:10:40,487 --> 00:10:43,029 When the shark is far away, it's very faint. 181 00:10:43,029 --> 00:10:47,695 When the shark is just about to attack, it's very close and it's very loud. 182 00:10:54,946 --> 00:10:57,612 Williams: We can advertise the shark's presence or his attitude 183 00:10:57,612 --> 00:11:01,403 by how we manage these notes, 184 00:11:01,403 --> 00:11:03,237 just very few notes. 185 00:11:06,529 --> 00:11:12,237 Dreyfuss: You are in a state of anxiety without seeing a shark. 186 00:11:12,237 --> 00:11:14,403 It just scares the crap out of you. 187 00:11:15,779 --> 00:11:17,195 Charlie, take my word for it! 188 00:11:17,195 --> 00:11:18,987 Don't look back! Swim, Charlie! 189 00:11:18,987 --> 00:11:20,237 Swim! Come on, Charlie! 190 00:11:20,237 --> 00:11:24,237 Dun-dun. Dun-dun, dun-dun. 191 00:11:24,237 --> 00:11:28,071 Dun-dun, dun-dun, dun-dun, bom, bom, bom, bom, bom, bom. 192 00:11:28,071 --> 00:11:29,862 Come on, a little more, Charlie. Attaboy. 193 00:11:29,862 --> 00:11:32,071 Come here, Charlie. Attaboy. Attaboy. 194 00:11:32,071 --> 00:11:36,612 David Edelstein: It is a perfect exercise in suspense 195 00:11:36,612 --> 00:11:39,946 with technique that any other filmmaker would kill for. 196 00:11:42,237 --> 00:11:45,570 Spielberg: I knew I was using an electric cattle prod on the audience 197 00:11:45,570 --> 00:11:49,529 every time there was some kind of a pop-up surprise. 198 00:11:49,529 --> 00:11:52,029 Michael Phillips: Like Hitchcock, he knows how to get you 199 00:11:52,029 --> 00:11:53,529 on the edge of your seat. 200 00:11:53,529 --> 00:11:56,695 He doesn't show you what you want to see, 201 00:11:56,695 --> 00:11:58,779 and then he delivers it when he wants to deliver it. 202 00:11:58,779 --> 00:12:03,112 - ( screams ) - J. Hoberman: He certainly likes torturing the audience. 203 00:12:04,278 --> 00:12:06,112 Has he ever been in analysis? 204 00:12:06,112 --> 00:12:07,946 ( thunder rumbling ) 205 00:12:07,946 --> 00:12:10,821 1, 1,000; 2, 1,000; 206 00:12:10,821 --> 00:12:13,654 3, 1,000; 4, 1,000... 207 00:12:13,654 --> 00:12:15,695 Spielberg: Everything scared me when I was a kid. 208 00:12:15,695 --> 00:12:16,987 Everything. 209 00:12:19,654 --> 00:12:23,153 - 1, 1,000; 2, 1,000; 3, one... - ( thunder rumbling ) 210 00:12:23,153 --> 00:12:26,320 Spielberg: I had a tree out my window that was terrifying. 211 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,195 It was just terrifying. 212 00:12:28,195 --> 00:12:29,821 1, 1,000; 2, 1,000... 213 00:12:29,821 --> 00:12:31,987 Spielberg: I was filled with so much fear 214 00:12:31,987 --> 00:12:34,445 that I needed to exorcise some of that. 215 00:12:34,445 --> 00:12:38,821 And what better audience to exorcise myself of my demons 216 00:12:38,821 --> 00:12:40,153 than my three sisters. 217 00:12:40,153 --> 00:12:42,904 ( music playing ) 218 00:12:42,904 --> 00:12:46,529 He would lock us in the closet with a skull, 219 00:12:46,529 --> 00:12:50,487 which he had dripped different colors of wax all over. 220 00:12:50,487 --> 00:12:51,654 It almost looked like blood. 221 00:12:51,654 --> 00:12:53,821 I'd blindfold them one at a time, 222 00:12:53,821 --> 00:12:55,445 bring them into the closet. 223 00:12:55,445 --> 00:12:57,862 I'd put my whole body weight against the door. 224 00:12:57,862 --> 00:12:59,487 They'd take their blindfold off, 225 00:12:59,487 --> 00:13:03,904 and I would just sit there listening to them screaming. 226 00:13:03,904 --> 00:13:07,862 I mean, telling this story now... 227 00:13:07,862 --> 00:13:09,529 I still think it was pretty cool. 228 00:13:09,529 --> 00:13:11,362 I was gonna say, "I hate myself for that." 229 00:13:11,362 --> 00:13:13,195 I don't hate myself for that. It was fun. 230 00:13:13,195 --> 00:13:15,278 At first, he just scared us. 231 00:13:15,278 --> 00:13:16,904 But through his movies, 232 00:13:16,904 --> 00:13:20,029 he gets to scare the shit out of everybody now. 233 00:13:20,029 --> 00:13:21,320 ( screams ) 234 00:13:24,779 --> 00:13:26,862 - ( screaming ) - Dan Rather: The blockbuster movie 235 00:13:26,862 --> 00:13:28,862 of the summer, of course, is "Jaws," 236 00:13:28,862 --> 00:13:31,487 a tale of a murderous white shark on the loose. 237 00:13:31,487 --> 00:13:33,529 And that movie's release was well timed 238 00:13:33,529 --> 00:13:35,862 for maximum impact during the vacation season, 239 00:13:35,862 --> 00:13:37,695 and some people who have seen it 240 00:13:37,695 --> 00:13:40,487 are now seeing phantom sharks every time they go near the water. 241 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,403 Scorsese: I remember the night "Jaws" opened. 242 00:13:45,403 --> 00:13:48,071 I was with Steven. He said, "Let's go and see the lines." 243 00:13:48,071 --> 00:13:50,904 And we were looking, going by all the lines in Westwood 244 00:13:50,904 --> 00:13:53,445 and places like that, and I said, "This is it. 245 00:13:53,445 --> 00:13:55,862 This is gonna be a major change." 246 00:13:55,862 --> 00:13:57,570 Janet Maslin: I was with him in the car 247 00:13:57,570 --> 00:14:01,362 and he was really, really nervous but excited. 248 00:14:01,362 --> 00:14:03,320 And the car went around the corner, 249 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,487 and there was the line went around the corner, 250 00:14:05,487 --> 00:14:08,237 and then the car kept going, and the line kept going. 251 00:14:08,237 --> 00:14:10,278 And he was absolutely beside himself. 252 00:14:10,278 --> 00:14:12,570 You know, it was this instant breakthrough. 253 00:14:12,570 --> 00:14:15,570 It was like balloons were exploding inside of this car. 254 00:14:15,570 --> 00:14:19,362 And his whole life changed in that couple of minutes. 255 00:14:19,362 --> 00:14:21,237 And he was 25 years old or something. 256 00:14:24,445 --> 00:14:26,487 Spielberg: "Jaws" went triple its budget 257 00:14:26,487 --> 00:14:29,237 and it went about two and a half times its schedule. 258 00:14:29,237 --> 00:14:32,278 We wound up shooting the movie in 159 days. 259 00:14:32,278 --> 00:14:35,071 The film was originally scheduled for 55 days. 260 00:14:35,071 --> 00:14:36,862 But my hubris was I actually thought 261 00:14:36,862 --> 00:14:39,612 I could shoot the film in 55 days. 262 00:14:39,612 --> 00:14:43,987 Steven shook the very bones of Hollywood. 263 00:14:43,987 --> 00:14:45,821 "Jaws" made more money 264 00:14:45,821 --> 00:14:50,195 than any film had ever made up to that time. 265 00:14:50,195 --> 00:14:51,946 Spielberg: The success of that changed my life. 266 00:14:51,946 --> 00:14:53,487 You know, it gave me final cut. 267 00:14:53,487 --> 00:14:55,112 It gave me a chance to pick and choose 268 00:14:55,112 --> 00:14:57,612 the movies I directed from that moment on. 269 00:14:57,612 --> 00:15:01,487 So "Jaws" was a free pass into my future. 270 00:15:03,904 --> 00:15:06,987 - ( music playing ) - ( applause ) 271 00:15:09,487 --> 00:15:12,029 I want you to meet a filmmaker now who has taken 272 00:15:12,029 --> 00:15:15,320 the movie-going public and shaken it to its very roots. 273 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:16,737 - Oh, boy! - Aren't you excited? 274 00:15:16,737 --> 00:15:18,445 - And everybody loves it. - Have you seen it? 275 00:15:18,445 --> 00:15:21,362 Dinah Shore: Please welcome Mr. Steven Spielberg. 276 00:15:21,362 --> 00:15:24,112 - ( applause ) - ( music playing ) 277 00:15:26,529 --> 00:15:28,821 When did you first really get interested in movies? 278 00:15:28,821 --> 00:15:30,278 When I was a bad little kid. 279 00:15:30,278 --> 00:15:32,112 - Really? - About, yeah, 13 years old. 280 00:15:32,112 --> 00:15:34,487 - That was the whole thing? - Very early starter, yeah. 281 00:15:34,487 --> 00:15:36,195 Not-- I didn't take it seriously. 282 00:15:36,195 --> 00:15:38,195 I did it-- like some people paint 283 00:15:38,195 --> 00:15:40,904 and some people like to, you know, drive little cars, 284 00:15:40,904 --> 00:15:42,487 and I liked to make little movies. 285 00:15:42,487 --> 00:15:45,695 I didn't realize there was 50 years of filmmaking before me. 286 00:15:45,695 --> 00:15:48,071 And I lived in Phoenix, Arizona, 287 00:15:48,071 --> 00:15:50,946 where you can listen to cactus grow if you have nothing better to do. 288 00:15:50,946 --> 00:15:53,029 - Yeah. - And I took a movie camera 289 00:15:53,029 --> 00:15:55,487 and I was learning sort of the ABCs as I went along, 290 00:15:55,487 --> 00:15:57,862 but it was just fun, it was something to do. 291 00:15:57,862 --> 00:15:59,862 ( music playing ) 292 00:16:06,278 --> 00:16:08,195 Spielberg: I really wanted my childhood to be 293 00:16:08,195 --> 00:16:11,654 sort of the pie-in-the-sky, Norman Rockwell American Dream. 294 00:16:15,445 --> 00:16:18,570 My dad was this computer genius that was on the team that invented 295 00:16:18,570 --> 00:16:22,029 the first commercial data processing machine at RCA back in 1950, 296 00:16:22,029 --> 00:16:25,445 and so my dad was headhunted a lot and went from company to company. 297 00:16:25,445 --> 00:16:27,779 Like Army brats, we moved from place to place. 298 00:16:27,779 --> 00:16:31,487 But most of my formative years took place in Phoenix, Arizona. 299 00:16:31,487 --> 00:16:35,237 My father was the American man who worked very hard. 300 00:16:35,237 --> 00:16:37,904 Sometimes worked six days a week and he came home late at night. 301 00:16:37,904 --> 00:16:41,946 His career demanded a lot of time away from the family. 302 00:16:41,946 --> 00:16:44,445 And my mom was Peter Pan. 303 00:16:44,445 --> 00:16:46,779 She was a sibling, not a parent, 304 00:16:46,779 --> 00:16:48,987 because she was a best friend, 305 00:16:48,987 --> 00:16:52,821 not a primary caregiver. 306 00:16:52,821 --> 00:16:57,403 And she got into trouble like we got into trouble. 307 00:16:57,403 --> 00:17:00,320 Anne: Steve had a feeling that family should be 308 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,779 like "Father Knows Best," 309 00:17:02,779 --> 00:17:05,029 but we were not the usual family. 310 00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:08,403 We just kind of were bohemians growing up in suburbia. 311 00:17:11,654 --> 00:17:15,779 I went to a pet store one day, and there was a monkey 312 00:17:15,779 --> 00:17:19,445 sitting in a cage like this, fetal position. 313 00:17:19,445 --> 00:17:22,779 And the shopkeeper said the monkey was dying. 314 00:17:22,779 --> 00:17:26,195 He had been taken away from his mother and he was depressed. 315 00:17:26,195 --> 00:17:28,529 So, I come home, driving my jeep 316 00:17:28,529 --> 00:17:33,737 with a big cage in the back and a monkey in the cage. 317 00:17:33,737 --> 00:17:36,403 And I remember the kids freaked out. 318 00:17:36,403 --> 00:17:38,570 They were so scared. 319 00:17:38,570 --> 00:17:42,445 Steve said, "You know, in a normal household, 320 00:17:42,445 --> 00:17:44,570 kids say, 'Can we have a monkey?' 321 00:17:44,570 --> 00:17:47,237 And the mother says, 'Are you crazy?'" 322 00:17:47,237 --> 00:17:50,153 You know, when I hear my stories about 323 00:17:50,153 --> 00:17:54,779 the things I've done, I think, "That's crazy." 324 00:17:54,779 --> 00:17:56,779 Susan Lacy: Did you think she was crazy? 325 00:17:56,779 --> 00:17:58,654 I liked the monkey. 326 00:17:58,654 --> 00:18:00,821 ( birds chirping ) 327 00:18:00,821 --> 00:18:03,112 ( music playing ) 328 00:18:03,112 --> 00:18:06,153 Spielberg: As a child, I spent a lot of my time watching television, 329 00:18:06,153 --> 00:18:07,695 or listening to soundtrack albums, 330 00:18:07,695 --> 00:18:10,487 or just sitting around, looking at the clouds. 331 00:18:10,487 --> 00:18:12,529 My dad was always on me for that. 332 00:18:12,529 --> 00:18:14,112 He did not like me getting Cs, 333 00:18:14,112 --> 00:18:17,487 but school was not a place I was really drawn to. 334 00:18:17,487 --> 00:18:21,278 Nancy: Steve was a kid that was sort of watchful and tentative 335 00:18:21,278 --> 00:18:23,195 and in some ways hesitant. 336 00:18:23,195 --> 00:18:26,153 You know, he wasn't like the normal kids in the neighborhood. 337 00:18:26,153 --> 00:18:28,278 He wasn't the muscle guy. 338 00:18:28,278 --> 00:18:30,862 You know, he got bullied a lot. 339 00:18:30,862 --> 00:18:32,195 That was tough. 340 00:18:33,904 --> 00:18:37,570 Most of my demons were self-inflicted wounds. 341 00:18:37,570 --> 00:18:39,529 They were things inside myself. 342 00:18:39,529 --> 00:18:41,112 The way I saw myself. 343 00:18:41,112 --> 00:18:45,362 I didn't have a lot of high esteem for myself, 344 00:18:45,362 --> 00:18:48,695 you know, growing up. 345 00:18:49,779 --> 00:18:52,195 I just was a lonely guy. 346 00:18:52,195 --> 00:18:53,987 J.J. Abrams: I think that explained a lot 347 00:18:53,987 --> 00:18:57,570 of why and how he was compelled to make movies. 348 00:18:57,570 --> 00:18:59,529 It was not just a means of expression, 349 00:18:59,529 --> 00:19:01,153 but it was a means of escape, 350 00:19:01,153 --> 00:19:06,112 and it was a means of sometimes making friends with people 351 00:19:06,112 --> 00:19:08,570 that you couldn't otherwise, or getting to hang out 352 00:19:08,570 --> 00:19:10,487 with girls that you might not be able to otherwise, 353 00:19:10,487 --> 00:19:13,904 or just finding a way to have meaning. 354 00:19:13,904 --> 00:19:15,654 Spielberg: The camera was my pen. 355 00:19:15,654 --> 00:19:17,320 I wrote my stories through the lens. 356 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,445 And when I was able to say "action" and "cut," 357 00:19:20,445 --> 00:19:22,695 I wrested control of my life. 358 00:19:22,695 --> 00:19:24,570 ( music playing ) 359 00:19:34,403 --> 00:19:36,946 Spielberg: I love films like the "Sands of Iwo Jima," 360 00:19:36,946 --> 00:19:38,779 the "Flying Tigers," "Battleground," 361 00:19:38,779 --> 00:19:40,821 films that I'd see on television. 362 00:19:40,821 --> 00:19:44,570 And I would watch these things over and over and over again. 363 00:19:44,570 --> 00:19:46,320 I was really influenced by all that stuff, 364 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:47,862 and so my first couple of movies 365 00:19:47,862 --> 00:19:50,946 were stories about World War II. 366 00:19:50,946 --> 00:19:53,737 There was an airport with a bunch of World War II airplanes 367 00:19:53,737 --> 00:19:55,779 just sitting out there on the tarmac. 368 00:19:55,779 --> 00:19:58,612 ( explosion ) 369 00:19:58,612 --> 00:20:01,862 I would take a shot of my friend with his finger on the stick 370 00:20:01,862 --> 00:20:04,737 and intercut actual 8mm combat footage. 371 00:20:04,737 --> 00:20:06,779 A lot of it shot by John Ford, by the way. 372 00:20:06,779 --> 00:20:08,612 And made a movie that looked like 373 00:20:08,612 --> 00:20:10,695 the production value was off the charts 374 00:20:10,695 --> 00:20:12,487 because the production value was off the charts. 375 00:20:12,487 --> 00:20:13,779 It was the real thing. 376 00:20:13,779 --> 00:20:17,029 ( music playing ) 377 00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:18,737 Abrams: You can just look at those movies, 378 00:20:18,737 --> 00:20:23,278 and you see the ability to tell a story without words. 379 00:20:23,278 --> 00:20:26,821 His use of primitive special effects was spectacular. 380 00:20:26,821 --> 00:20:28,654 You know, he'd have big bullet hits, 381 00:20:28,654 --> 00:20:30,153 he'd put little see-saws of dirt, 382 00:20:30,153 --> 00:20:31,695 so that when his actors were running, 383 00:20:31,695 --> 00:20:33,362 they'd step on one piece, 384 00:20:33,362 --> 00:20:35,278 and it would sort of catapult the dirt up in the air 385 00:20:35,278 --> 00:20:37,612 as if they were being shot as they were running. 386 00:20:37,612 --> 00:20:39,987 There were things that he did that just made complete sense. 387 00:20:39,987 --> 00:20:41,570 You saw the trajectory. 388 00:20:41,570 --> 00:20:43,570 There was something in the DNA of it that, 389 00:20:43,570 --> 00:20:45,403 despite it being shot on 8mm film, 390 00:20:45,403 --> 00:20:48,195 was the voice of that same filmmaker. 391 00:20:48,195 --> 00:20:50,278 But I didn't know anything about whether 392 00:20:50,278 --> 00:20:53,071 I was gonna have a career or where this was gonna go. 393 00:20:53,071 --> 00:20:54,987 I just knew that it filled up the time and it gave me 394 00:20:54,987 --> 00:20:57,529 a tremendous amount of satisfaction. 395 00:20:57,529 --> 00:21:00,112 And the second I finished a movie, I wanted to start a new one 396 00:21:00,112 --> 00:21:04,237 because I felt good about myself when I was making a film. 397 00:21:04,237 --> 00:21:06,153 But when I had too much time to think, 398 00:21:06,153 --> 00:21:11,445 all those scary whispers would start-- start up. 399 00:21:11,445 --> 00:21:15,946 It was not fun to be me in between ideas or projects. 400 00:21:19,487 --> 00:21:21,403 ( music playing ) 401 00:21:26,195 --> 00:21:28,904 Sid Sheinberg: The lore has it that as a young man, 402 00:21:28,904 --> 00:21:32,029 Steven was sort of the Phantom of the Opera, 403 00:21:32,029 --> 00:21:35,570 haunting the lot of Universal Studios. 404 00:21:35,570 --> 00:21:39,654 He would literally get on the lot 405 00:21:39,654 --> 00:21:41,737 one way or another. 406 00:21:41,737 --> 00:21:43,654 Spielberg: I got on the studio tour bus, 407 00:21:43,654 --> 00:21:45,529 took a jaunt around the back lot. 408 00:21:45,529 --> 00:21:48,320 And then at one point they give you a bathroom break, 409 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,071 and I never came out of the bathroom. 410 00:21:50,071 --> 00:21:54,029 I waited till I could hear a pin drop, and then came out. 411 00:21:54,029 --> 00:21:56,195 The bus was gone and I was on the lot. 412 00:21:56,195 --> 00:21:59,195 James Brolin: Word was that he went upstairs 413 00:21:59,195 --> 00:22:01,862 in the tower and took an office on the sixth floor, 414 00:22:01,862 --> 00:22:04,071 and nobody bothered him for six months. 415 00:22:08,862 --> 00:22:11,987 Dreyfuss: The story was he requisitioned an office, 416 00:22:11,987 --> 00:22:14,737 telephone, put his name on the door. 417 00:22:14,737 --> 00:22:16,987 Eh, I don't believe it, but you know what they said 418 00:22:16,987 --> 00:22:19,071 in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance"-- 419 00:22:19,071 --> 00:22:22,195 when the legend is bigger than the facts, print the legend. 420 00:22:22,195 --> 00:22:25,821 Roger Ernest: One time he sneaked onto Alfred Hitchcock's set 421 00:22:25,821 --> 00:22:27,737 and watched him direct a little bit 422 00:22:27,737 --> 00:22:31,278 until he got caught and was asked to leave. 423 00:22:31,278 --> 00:22:33,737 Steve was constantly learning, 424 00:22:33,737 --> 00:22:36,487 constantly looking, constantly asking questions 425 00:22:36,487 --> 00:22:38,904 from all of the tradespeople-- 426 00:22:38,904 --> 00:22:42,071 cinematographer, lighting, editors. 427 00:22:42,071 --> 00:22:47,445 It was like Spielberg 101 in overdrive. 428 00:22:47,445 --> 00:22:50,403 Spielberg: I tried very hard to get into USC Film School, 429 00:22:50,403 --> 00:22:52,112 and I just didn't have the grades to get in. 430 00:22:52,112 --> 00:22:53,821 And I even had a personal interview at USC, 431 00:22:53,821 --> 00:22:55,654 and they turned me down even in person. 432 00:22:55,654 --> 00:22:57,904 So, Universal became my film school. 433 00:22:57,904 --> 00:22:59,779 ( music playing ) 434 00:23:02,195 --> 00:23:05,278 Ernest: Steven was laser focused. 435 00:23:05,278 --> 00:23:10,278 He never lost sight of the fact that the audience early on, for him, 436 00:23:10,278 --> 00:23:12,112 wasn't the audience in the theater. 437 00:23:12,112 --> 00:23:15,612 The audience were the studio executives. 438 00:23:15,612 --> 00:23:18,695 And he figured out how to make a film 439 00:23:18,695 --> 00:23:21,904 that will convince the studio executives that, 440 00:23:21,904 --> 00:23:24,445 "Yes, I have the talent to be a director. 441 00:23:24,445 --> 00:23:26,320 This is what I can do." 442 00:23:30,737 --> 00:23:34,320 Sheinberg: I looked at this film, and I was very taken with it. 443 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,029 I had a very strong feeling 444 00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:40,987 that this was not your average young filmmaker. 445 00:23:40,987 --> 00:23:45,153 Spielberg: Sid Sheinberg, who was President of Universal Television at the time, 446 00:23:45,153 --> 00:23:47,904 he said, "So, sir, I saw your film. 447 00:23:47,904 --> 00:23:49,403 Very well made. 448 00:23:49,403 --> 00:23:51,946 I'd like to offer you a seven-year contract 449 00:23:51,946 --> 00:23:54,403 to come to Universal to direct television." 450 00:23:54,403 --> 00:23:57,987 He said, "If you sign with us, 451 00:23:57,987 --> 00:24:02,570 I will support you as strongly in failure 452 00:24:02,570 --> 00:24:05,153 as I will in success." 453 00:24:05,153 --> 00:24:07,445 And he was true to his word. 454 00:24:07,445 --> 00:24:12,112 And that was the beginning of the most important relationship 455 00:24:12,112 --> 00:24:14,529 I could ever imagine having in this business. 456 00:24:14,529 --> 00:24:17,862 Dreyfuss: Steven was known as the uncrowned prince. 457 00:24:17,862 --> 00:24:19,737 He was the guy who was gonna make it. 458 00:24:19,737 --> 00:24:22,654 I mean, he was directing Joan Crawford 459 00:24:22,654 --> 00:24:25,195 when he was 20. 460 00:24:25,195 --> 00:24:27,862 That'll teach you a lot of things. ( chuckling ) 461 00:24:27,862 --> 00:24:31,195 Spielberg: Joan Crawford is the first professional SAG member 462 00:24:31,195 --> 00:24:34,195 I ever directed in my life! 463 00:24:34,195 --> 00:24:37,237 I want to see something! 464 00:24:37,237 --> 00:24:42,695 Trees, concrete, buildings, grass, airplanes, color! 465 00:24:42,695 --> 00:24:45,695 Scorsese: It was Cassavetes who said, "If you want to be a real filmmaker, 466 00:24:45,695 --> 00:24:47,862 you can't be afraid of anything or anybody." 467 00:24:47,862 --> 00:24:49,695 And Steven's not. 468 00:24:49,695 --> 00:24:51,737 He's there with Joan Crawford who wants him out every day. 469 00:24:51,737 --> 00:24:55,821 And he's gotta shoot and be on schedule and be good, 470 00:24:55,821 --> 00:24:58,071 meaning that it has to have a vision. 471 00:24:58,071 --> 00:25:00,071 The shots have to have a point of view. 472 00:25:00,071 --> 00:25:02,278 Spielberg: But after "Night Gallery" came out, 473 00:25:02,278 --> 00:25:05,612 there was a lot of criticism on the fact that I was a novelty item. 474 00:25:05,612 --> 00:25:08,403 The youngest term director ever put under contract in history. 475 00:25:08,403 --> 00:25:11,821 And the producers who were doing the hiring wouldn't hire me. 476 00:25:11,821 --> 00:25:13,570 There was a lot of hostility, 477 00:25:13,570 --> 00:25:15,946 and I had to prove myself to everybody. 478 00:25:15,946 --> 00:25:19,237 You know, they looked at me as sort of Sheinberg's folly. 479 00:25:19,237 --> 00:25:22,570 He underwrote me. Let him find me work. 480 00:25:22,570 --> 00:25:24,529 ( music playing ) 481 00:25:27,153 --> 00:25:29,362 Brolin: I had wanted to direct, 482 00:25:29,362 --> 00:25:32,487 and Steven walks in, and he's a kid! 483 00:25:32,487 --> 00:25:34,654 And I'm envious as hell right away. 484 00:25:36,529 --> 00:25:38,695 Scorsese: Steven's able to walk into a room, 485 00:25:38,695 --> 00:25:41,195 look for a second or two, say, "Here. Here. 486 00:25:41,195 --> 00:25:44,362 Move that here. Give me a 25mm here. 487 00:25:44,362 --> 00:25:46,278 Put it this way. Face forward. 488 00:25:46,278 --> 00:25:48,278 Move it. Silhouette here. 489 00:25:48,278 --> 00:25:49,862 Two takes, three takes. That's enough. Thanks. 490 00:25:49,862 --> 00:25:51,612 Let's move on." It was amazing. 491 00:25:51,612 --> 00:25:54,237 Steven Bochco: Steven had a gear in his brain 492 00:25:54,237 --> 00:25:58,445 that automatically translated words into pictures 493 00:25:58,445 --> 00:26:02,320 almost without it being a conscious process for him. 494 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,987 There was a unique visual voice there 495 00:26:05,987 --> 00:26:08,987 that you had to not only pay attention to, 496 00:26:08,987 --> 00:26:13,654 but you had to give somewhat of a free rein to. 497 00:26:13,654 --> 00:26:15,695 ( music playing ) 498 00:26:34,487 --> 00:26:38,112 Spielberg: My early themes always had the underdog being pursued 499 00:26:38,112 --> 00:26:40,320 by indomitable forces 500 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,779 of both nature and natural enemies, 501 00:26:43,779 --> 00:26:47,695 and that person has to rise to the occasion to survive. 502 00:26:47,695 --> 00:26:49,654 And a lot of that comes just from 503 00:26:49,654 --> 00:26:51,862 the insecurities I felt as a kid 504 00:26:51,862 --> 00:26:55,029 and how that bled over into the work. 505 00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:58,737 I was always the kid with the big bully, 506 00:26:58,737 --> 00:27:01,612 and "Duel" was my life in the schoolyard. 507 00:27:01,612 --> 00:27:05,237 The truck was the bully, and the car was me. 508 00:27:05,237 --> 00:27:07,695 ( horn honks ) 509 00:27:09,237 --> 00:27:11,278 George Lucas: I was over at Francis Coppola's, 510 00:27:11,278 --> 00:27:13,529 and "Duel" was gonna be shown that night, 511 00:27:13,529 --> 00:27:16,362 so I sort of snuck away from the party 512 00:27:16,362 --> 00:27:18,821 and said, "I wanna see this film. I wanna see what this kid did." 513 00:27:18,821 --> 00:27:21,153 I was sort of on the fence about Steven. 514 00:27:21,153 --> 00:27:22,946 I said, "Knows what he's doing, 515 00:27:22,946 --> 00:27:25,487 nice, but a little too Hollywoody for my taste." 516 00:27:25,487 --> 00:27:27,612 I saw "Amblin'," and I thought "Amblin'" was nice, 517 00:27:27,612 --> 00:27:31,153 but it wasn't-- you know, it was very, very flashy. 518 00:27:31,153 --> 00:27:33,195 It was very, very professional. 519 00:27:33,195 --> 00:27:35,362 And for the rest of us, we were all rough-edged, 520 00:27:35,362 --> 00:27:38,153 crazy guys that were doing much more dirty work. 521 00:27:38,153 --> 00:27:39,987 So, I thought, "Well, I'll watch the first half hour 522 00:27:39,987 --> 00:27:42,946 and just see what he's up to." 523 00:27:42,946 --> 00:27:44,737 And I ended up watching the whole thing. 524 00:27:44,737 --> 00:27:48,570 And I came down to Francis, I said, "This guy's amazing. 525 00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:50,320 You really gotta look at this film." 526 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,278 ( cash register dings ) 527 00:27:56,987 --> 00:27:59,529 Edelstein: Right off the bat, it was clear 528 00:27:59,529 --> 00:28:05,029 that no one moved the camera like Steven Spielberg. 529 00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:07,445 - ( bell rings ) - ( billiard balls clack ) 530 00:28:07,445 --> 00:28:11,737 Edelstein: Other directors had a fantastic sense of space. 531 00:28:11,737 --> 00:28:14,071 Orson Welles, you name it, 532 00:28:14,071 --> 00:28:16,695 people who understood composition. 533 00:28:19,695 --> 00:28:22,362 But the way that Spielberg's camera 534 00:28:22,362 --> 00:28:24,529 moved through a shot 535 00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:27,570 and then ended up somewhere that completely shifted 536 00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:29,946 or intensified the emotion of the scene, 537 00:28:29,946 --> 00:28:32,779 that was just a natural gift he had. 538 00:28:32,779 --> 00:28:35,029 Who knows where that came from. 539 00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:37,987 Who-- but it was his own technique. 540 00:28:37,987 --> 00:28:39,946 Francis Ford Coppola: "Duel" was a composition 541 00:28:39,946 --> 00:28:42,779 that had a very elusive and interesting theme. 542 00:28:42,779 --> 00:28:45,112 You know, this unknown menace. 543 00:28:45,112 --> 00:28:48,821 Everyone's been on a road and some idiot has crossed in front of you, 544 00:28:48,821 --> 00:28:53,112 and, you know, you're tempted to rev up fast 545 00:28:53,112 --> 00:28:54,779 and go do something nasty to him. 546 00:28:54,779 --> 00:28:58,487 And here he took this and made it into a parable. 547 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,654 ( horn honking ) 548 00:29:10,904 --> 00:29:12,487 Spielberg: When ABC saw "Duel," 549 00:29:12,487 --> 00:29:15,071 they were very excited by what they were seeing. 550 00:29:15,071 --> 00:29:18,153 But at the very, very end when the truck did not explode 551 00:29:18,153 --> 00:29:20,320 in a pyrotechnics display, 552 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,987 George Eckstein called me and said, 553 00:29:21,987 --> 00:29:25,278 "Network's really upset that the truck didn't blow up, 554 00:29:25,278 --> 00:29:28,654 so they're ordering us to go back to that cliff 555 00:29:28,654 --> 00:29:30,320 and blow the truck up." 556 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,946 And I said, "I'm not gonna do it." 557 00:29:34,195 --> 00:29:36,195 The death of the truck is so agonizing. 558 00:29:36,195 --> 00:29:39,320 I said, "I made that truck die slowly." 559 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,737 The oil, like blood, dripping off the steering wheel. 560 00:29:42,737 --> 00:29:45,570 The wheel slowly rolling to a stop. 561 00:29:45,570 --> 00:29:48,987 The fan still going, but the truck's dying. 562 00:29:48,987 --> 00:29:50,570 I mean, it's the death of the truck. 563 00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:52,946 That's what the audience wants to see. 564 00:29:52,946 --> 00:29:55,529 This criminal element paying-- 565 00:29:55,529 --> 00:29:58,487 you know, paying the price for what it did to this man. 566 00:29:58,487 --> 00:30:02,529 I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't blow up the truck. 567 00:30:02,529 --> 00:30:06,278 Bochco: For Steven, the little screen was an interesting canvas, 568 00:30:06,278 --> 00:30:09,362 and obviously he painted on it very well, 569 00:30:09,362 --> 00:30:11,612 but he knew that this screen 570 00:30:11,612 --> 00:30:15,570 simply wasn't a large enough canvas. 571 00:30:15,570 --> 00:30:18,529 ( music playing ) 572 00:30:24,071 --> 00:30:25,946 Vilmos Zsigmond: He's a director who know 573 00:30:25,946 --> 00:30:28,112 how important cinematography is, 574 00:30:28,112 --> 00:30:32,487 and the way Steven directed "Sugarland Express" was so fresh, 575 00:30:32,487 --> 00:30:34,737 you know, because everything was on location. 576 00:30:34,737 --> 00:30:39,071 And half of the movie was inside of a police car. 577 00:30:39,071 --> 00:30:41,862 And that was difficult thing to-- 578 00:30:41,862 --> 00:30:43,737 to keep that alive all the time. 579 00:30:43,737 --> 00:30:45,737 You know, the angles and all that. 580 00:30:47,737 --> 00:30:49,445 I see lights, a whole bunch. 581 00:30:49,445 --> 00:30:51,362 Spielberg: For me, directing is camerawork, 582 00:30:51,362 --> 00:30:53,529 and so I'm very on the front line of that. 583 00:30:53,529 --> 00:30:56,112 I've gotta set up the shot, I've gotta block the actors, 584 00:30:56,112 --> 00:30:58,112 choreograph the movement of the scene, 585 00:30:58,112 --> 00:30:59,779 bring the camera into the choreography, 586 00:30:59,779 --> 00:31:01,612 figure out when the camera stops, how it moves, 587 00:31:01,612 --> 00:31:03,487 how far it moves, what the composition is, 588 00:31:03,487 --> 00:31:05,946 so I've always got my eye on the lens, and that's what I do. 589 00:31:05,946 --> 00:31:07,779 I even pick the lens I want. 590 00:31:07,779 --> 00:31:09,904 ( music playing ) 591 00:31:14,487 --> 00:31:16,529 Scorsese: His strength is really the ability 592 00:31:16,529 --> 00:31:20,112 to be able to tell a story in pictures instinctively. 593 00:31:20,112 --> 00:31:24,237 I sometimes watch his pictures on TV without the sound 594 00:31:24,237 --> 00:31:26,987 just to see the pictures. 595 00:31:26,987 --> 00:31:28,946 ( music playing ) 596 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,278 Edelstein: Pauline Kael, one of the most influential film critics of all time, 597 00:31:36,278 --> 00:31:38,946 wrote in "The New Yorker" that Steven Spielberg had made 598 00:31:38,946 --> 00:31:43,112 one of the most phenomenal debuts in the history of film. 599 00:31:43,112 --> 00:31:44,570 She compared him to Howard Hawks 600 00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:49,612 in terms of how natural his feel for the medium was. 601 00:31:49,612 --> 00:31:51,320 What Kael saw in Spielberg 602 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,695 was someone with a real movie sense, 603 00:31:54,695 --> 00:31:56,987 but she also said she wasn't necessarily sure 604 00:31:56,987 --> 00:31:59,320 there was great depth to go with it. 605 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,112 She didn't see a sign of an emerging film artist 606 00:32:03,112 --> 00:32:04,654 like Martin Scorsese. 607 00:32:04,654 --> 00:32:07,695 What she saw instead was the birth 608 00:32:07,695 --> 00:32:11,278 of a new generation Hollywood hand. 609 00:32:11,278 --> 00:32:13,904 ( music playing ) 610 00:32:13,904 --> 00:32:17,195 Spielberg: Martin Scorsese, filmmaker of "Mean Streets." 611 00:32:17,195 --> 00:32:19,570 This is Brian De Palma, loud as ever. 612 00:32:19,570 --> 00:32:23,029 ( chatter ) 613 00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:26,153 - George and Marcia Lucas. - Hi! 614 00:32:26,153 --> 00:32:27,821 And this is Steven. 615 00:32:27,821 --> 00:32:29,821 Get the camera arranged. Great. 616 00:32:29,821 --> 00:32:31,695 ♪ Time has come today ♪ 617 00:32:33,278 --> 00:32:35,445 ♪ Young hearts can go their way... ♪ 618 00:32:35,445 --> 00:32:38,904 Scorsese: In the mid to late '60s, there was a major change 619 00:32:38,904 --> 00:32:40,570 in the Hollywood studio system. 620 00:32:40,570 --> 00:32:42,487 It was a very different world they had to serve, 621 00:32:42,487 --> 00:32:44,654 and there was a new freedom, too. 622 00:32:44,654 --> 00:32:47,946 Brian De Palma: So, suddenly the doors were open for young directors 623 00:32:47,946 --> 00:32:51,862 with very crazy, seemingly original ideas. 624 00:32:51,862 --> 00:32:54,987 It's almost like, you know, crashing a party. 625 00:32:54,987 --> 00:32:57,195 ( laughs ) 626 00:32:57,195 --> 00:33:00,278 Yeah, people were on the way out, and we were going in. 627 00:33:00,278 --> 00:33:02,362 Lucas: We were absolutely obsessed with movies, 628 00:33:02,362 --> 00:33:04,695 but we certainly didn't look at it as a career. 629 00:33:04,695 --> 00:33:06,695 We didn't think we were ever gonna make any money at it. 630 00:33:06,695 --> 00:33:09,195 De Palma: There was George and Francis, 631 00:33:09,195 --> 00:33:11,821 and then there was Marty and me, 632 00:33:11,821 --> 00:33:14,445 and then there was Steven. 633 00:33:14,445 --> 00:33:16,237 We came from different places, 634 00:33:16,237 --> 00:33:20,654 but needless to say, we were always very happy to be together. 635 00:33:20,654 --> 00:33:24,278 When we got together, it was like a fraternity of directors. 636 00:33:24,278 --> 00:33:27,862 George, put the camera on the table, on-- 637 00:33:27,862 --> 00:33:29,403 I'm gonna hit a ball into the lens, 638 00:33:29,403 --> 00:33:33,403 and you pick the camera up at the last moment. 639 00:33:33,403 --> 00:33:35,862 When I got into the group of the Movie Brats, 640 00:33:35,862 --> 00:33:37,946 as somebody once called us, 641 00:33:37,946 --> 00:33:40,320 I never-- it was the first time I felt like an insider. 642 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,362 - ( music playing ) - ( chatter ) 643 00:33:47,195 --> 00:33:50,403 Spielberg: We were very, very fortunate to be part of that time. 644 00:33:50,403 --> 00:33:52,237 The culture was converging. 645 00:33:52,237 --> 00:33:53,487 That's Albert. 646 00:33:53,487 --> 00:33:55,779 It was filmmakers, it was artists, 647 00:33:55,779 --> 00:33:57,695 musicians, performers. 648 00:33:57,695 --> 00:34:00,570 It was an incredible, fertile time. 649 00:34:00,570 --> 00:34:02,695 And here we have Amy Irving in the car. 650 00:34:02,695 --> 00:34:04,946 Brian De Palma introduced us when she was making "Carrie." 651 00:34:04,946 --> 00:34:07,946 - That's how we first met. - De Palma: Then they started to go out together. 652 00:34:07,946 --> 00:34:10,320 They were together and then they were apart, 653 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,278 and then they got back together again. 654 00:34:12,278 --> 00:34:14,821 - De Palma: Amy half dressed. - As usual, sewing. 655 00:34:14,821 --> 00:34:17,904 Yes, sewing Steven's pants to get him ready 656 00:34:17,904 --> 00:34:20,195 for the big day that's coming very soon. 657 00:34:20,195 --> 00:34:22,320 - Noogies, noogies. - ( laughs ) 658 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,654 Phillips: Steven was a nerd. 659 00:34:23,654 --> 00:34:26,237 ( laughs ) Master of the world! 660 00:34:26,237 --> 00:34:28,362 Phillips: A loveable nerd, but he was a nerd. 661 00:34:28,362 --> 00:34:33,987 He was not into sports or drugs or rock 'n' roll, 662 00:34:33,987 --> 00:34:37,195 but he was passionate and he was so enthusiastic. 663 00:34:37,195 --> 00:34:39,153 He used to love to talk about film, 664 00:34:39,153 --> 00:34:41,445 and it was infectious, his enthusiasm. 665 00:34:41,445 --> 00:34:43,904 - Steven had the first car phone. - ( phone ringing ) 666 00:34:43,904 --> 00:34:45,112 It's ringing. 667 00:34:45,112 --> 00:34:48,445 So, Steven and I used to go around 668 00:34:48,445 --> 00:34:52,821 and call up a girl and say, "Well, let's get together," and she'd say, "Fine." 669 00:34:52,821 --> 00:34:55,821 And then of course we'd be parked right outside her house. 670 00:34:55,821 --> 00:34:59,112 That was like-- I would say-- 671 00:34:59,112 --> 00:35:01,529 it may seem extremely silly now, 672 00:35:01,529 --> 00:35:03,904 but in those days it was like a miracle. 673 00:35:03,904 --> 00:35:06,570 He was fun. He was fun to be around. 674 00:35:06,570 --> 00:35:09,112 I'm Julia Child, the French chef. 675 00:35:09,112 --> 00:35:10,737 - ( gasps ) - ( laughs ) 676 00:35:10,737 --> 00:35:14,946 Today we are carving... turkey for Thanksgiving! 677 00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:17,195 De Palma: We were all struggling 678 00:35:17,195 --> 00:35:19,529 with our first very unsuccessful attempts 679 00:35:19,529 --> 00:35:22,403 to penetrate the Hollywood establishment, 680 00:35:22,403 --> 00:35:24,862 but Steven was working all the time. 681 00:35:24,862 --> 00:35:28,237 Coppola: Steven always was a creature of the studio, 682 00:35:28,237 --> 00:35:32,987 and his thinking and his methodology went that direction, 683 00:35:32,987 --> 00:35:34,779 and he became a master of it. 684 00:35:34,779 --> 00:35:37,779 He was very fortunate that the kind of movie 685 00:35:37,779 --> 00:35:41,320 he really had a sense for was also the kind of movie 686 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,946 that the audience had a sense for. 687 00:35:42,946 --> 00:35:44,403 We are now in the Scorsese kitchen. 688 00:35:44,403 --> 00:35:47,862 We are going to show "Hell's Angels." 689 00:35:47,862 --> 00:35:49,862 Scorsese: We all gravitated towards each other. 690 00:35:49,862 --> 00:35:53,029 We had that one thing that kept us all together, the one element. 691 00:35:53,029 --> 00:35:57,946 The one kind of a madness and an obsession with movies. 692 00:35:57,946 --> 00:35:59,779 Spielberg: We were consulting with each other, 693 00:35:59,779 --> 00:36:03,071 and unabashedly giving opinions about each other's works. 694 00:36:03,071 --> 00:36:04,904 Lucas: It was very much that way, 695 00:36:04,904 --> 00:36:06,821 but we were still competitive. 696 00:36:06,821 --> 00:36:08,570 "Come and see my movie. 697 00:36:08,570 --> 00:36:10,779 Sit down-- sit here. The sound's best here." 698 00:36:10,779 --> 00:36:12,529 And blow the other guy away. 699 00:36:12,529 --> 00:36:15,612 Everybody was sort of forced to do a better job 700 00:36:15,612 --> 00:36:16,904 to impress everybody, 701 00:36:16,904 --> 00:36:18,904 because Marty had done this movie, 702 00:36:18,904 --> 00:36:20,612 or Francis had done that movie. 703 00:36:20,612 --> 00:36:22,529 Scorsese: They became like the acid test. 704 00:36:22,529 --> 00:36:26,987 You get some real grounding and you hope an honesty-- 705 00:36:26,987 --> 00:36:28,570 maybe not too honest. 706 00:36:31,946 --> 00:36:33,403 Spielberg: George showed a bunch of us 707 00:36:33,403 --> 00:36:34,904 "Star Wars" for the first time, 708 00:36:34,904 --> 00:36:36,570 and there were no effects in yet. 709 00:36:36,570 --> 00:36:39,278 It was just World War II, black-and-white stock footage 710 00:36:39,278 --> 00:36:42,612 intercut with blue screen production color footage, 711 00:36:42,612 --> 00:36:43,946 and then showed that movie to us, 712 00:36:43,946 --> 00:36:45,904 expecting us to be able to see the movie. 713 00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:47,654 Lucas: It was basically a children's film. 714 00:36:47,654 --> 00:36:49,403 You know, it wasn't what the other friends of mine 715 00:36:49,403 --> 00:36:51,737 would think of as something really worthwhile. 716 00:36:51,737 --> 00:36:54,445 Steven was the one person who was really enthusiastic about it 717 00:36:54,445 --> 00:36:56,529 and said, "This is gonna be a huge smash." 718 00:36:56,529 --> 00:36:58,362 Spielberg: But George said, "I think it's gonna be a disaster." 719 00:36:58,362 --> 00:37:00,112 He was very depressed, and we all went 720 00:37:00,112 --> 00:37:02,529 to a Chinese restaurant after the film was over, 721 00:37:02,529 --> 00:37:06,362 and Brian stood up and started to geschrei about, 722 00:37:06,362 --> 00:37:09,779 "What's going on around here? I don't understand the story. 723 00:37:09,779 --> 00:37:11,946 Who are these people? Who's the hairy guy? 724 00:37:11,946 --> 00:37:15,112 Where do they come from? Where's the context? 725 00:37:15,112 --> 00:37:17,362 Where's the backstory? It's driving me crazy." 726 00:37:17,362 --> 00:37:18,946 Brian went off on George. 727 00:37:18,946 --> 00:37:20,987 And George just sat there. He turned red. 728 00:37:20,987 --> 00:37:23,112 George, I think, wanted to kill him. 729 00:37:23,112 --> 00:37:25,487 But out of all that, something great came. 730 00:37:25,487 --> 00:37:28,779 Brian basically said, "You need, like, an old-fashioned movie 731 00:37:28,779 --> 00:37:30,904 to start the picture with a foreword, 732 00:37:30,904 --> 00:37:33,695 and all these words come on the screen, and they travel up, 733 00:37:33,695 --> 00:37:36,320 and the foreword tells you what the hell you're looking at 734 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,362 and why you're in the theater and what the mythology is. 735 00:37:39,362 --> 00:37:41,237 Tell us what this world is, 736 00:37:41,237 --> 00:37:43,029 and then we can enjoy the picture." 737 00:37:43,029 --> 00:37:45,612 And that was the birth of the famous prologue. 738 00:37:45,612 --> 00:37:48,987 De Palma: Steven came to visit me when I was shooting "Scarface," 739 00:37:48,987 --> 00:37:50,654 and I gave him one of the units 740 00:37:50,654 --> 00:37:54,737 to shoot the Colombians coming up the staircase. 741 00:37:54,737 --> 00:37:57,487 - ( gun clicks ) - Say hello to my little friend. 742 00:37:57,487 --> 00:37:59,821 De Palma: So, we were just shooting people getting shot 743 00:37:59,821 --> 00:38:01,987 for a couple of weeks. 744 00:38:01,987 --> 00:38:04,570 We all had great respect for each other's work, 745 00:38:04,570 --> 00:38:06,821 and we were just trying to help each other out 746 00:38:06,821 --> 00:38:10,153 when we would see things that we thought could be improved. 747 00:38:10,153 --> 00:38:11,862 Man: All right, now I am turning the-- 748 00:38:11,862 --> 00:38:13,821 the camera over to our new director-- 749 00:38:13,821 --> 00:38:17,904 That's the worst swish pan I've ever seen. 750 00:38:17,904 --> 00:38:19,821 The worst swish pan I've ever seen. 751 00:38:19,821 --> 00:38:21,695 He's shooting me. I'm totally in darkness. 752 00:38:21,695 --> 00:38:23,570 How do you expect to see anything? 753 00:38:23,570 --> 00:38:26,112 Lucas: It's kind of like what happened in Paris in the '20s. 754 00:38:26,112 --> 00:38:29,029 You know, you get a group of people, they're all crazy people, 755 00:38:29,029 --> 00:38:32,570 and they're controversial and doing the same struggle, 756 00:38:32,570 --> 00:38:34,362 but you sort of look at it later and you say, 757 00:38:34,362 --> 00:38:35,695 "How could that whole group--" 758 00:38:35,695 --> 00:38:38,695 the whole group became successful 759 00:38:38,695 --> 00:38:41,529 and dominated the film business. 760 00:38:41,529 --> 00:38:42,821 It's like, how could that be? 761 00:38:42,821 --> 00:38:44,946 We were just a bunch of crazy kids. 762 00:38:44,946 --> 00:38:47,403 But, you know, I think a lot of it was really love of film 763 00:38:47,403 --> 00:38:51,112 and all desperate to make film any way we could. 764 00:38:52,612 --> 00:38:55,029 ( music playing ) 765 00:39:05,612 --> 00:39:07,445 ( gasping ) 766 00:39:11,946 --> 00:39:13,403 Oh, my God. 767 00:39:16,570 --> 00:39:18,904 Tony Kushner: When you're watching Steven's movies, 768 00:39:18,904 --> 00:39:22,237 you feel like you're in the presence of something mysterious 769 00:39:22,237 --> 00:39:25,946 and inexpressible and poetic. 770 00:39:25,946 --> 00:39:27,862 Enjoying very simple pleasures-- 771 00:39:27,862 --> 00:39:31,320 being scared, being amused, being dazzled. 772 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,946 ( music playing ) 773 00:39:45,445 --> 00:39:47,195 Spielberg: I had been very influenced 774 00:39:47,195 --> 00:39:50,029 by how far Stanley Kubrick took "2001: A Space Odyssey" 775 00:39:50,029 --> 00:39:52,987 into the world of, really, expressionist art, 776 00:39:52,987 --> 00:39:56,737 and I wanted to take "Close Encounters" even further. 777 00:39:58,654 --> 00:40:01,112 I really wanted the audience to look at the screen and say, 778 00:40:01,112 --> 00:40:03,112 "I'm having a sighting," 779 00:40:03,112 --> 00:40:05,612 but I wasn't sure any of this was gonna work. 780 00:40:06,946 --> 00:40:08,779 Bob Balaban: It was very risky. 781 00:40:08,779 --> 00:40:10,320 The effects for "Close Encounters" 782 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,320 basically had never been done before. 783 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,904 Zsigmond: He shot the people with a motion control camera, 784 00:40:15,904 --> 00:40:18,071 making the camera move, pan, tilt, 785 00:40:18,071 --> 00:40:19,695 whatever he want to do. 786 00:40:19,695 --> 00:40:22,612 And then that's recorded, actually, on a tape, 787 00:40:22,612 --> 00:40:25,737 and then when Doug Trumbull, the special effects supervisor, 788 00:40:25,737 --> 00:40:28,695 goes back to the post production facilities, 789 00:40:28,695 --> 00:40:31,987 he can actually duplicate exactly that camera move. 790 00:40:31,987 --> 00:40:35,029 Balaban: So, when you married the two images, they were perfect, 791 00:40:35,029 --> 00:40:38,320 and you could have, for really about the first time, 792 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,821 moving special effects. 793 00:40:39,821 --> 00:40:41,862 Always before, you had to kind of sit there quietly, 794 00:40:41,862 --> 00:40:44,112 because if you moved, it would destroy everything. 795 00:40:44,112 --> 00:40:45,695 Everybody is doing that today. 796 00:40:45,695 --> 00:40:48,445 They could not be doing those effect movies 797 00:40:48,445 --> 00:40:53,029 unless Steven and Doug didn't try all these things already. 798 00:40:55,821 --> 00:40:59,529 Phillips: The stakes were so high for Steven on "Close Encounters." 799 00:40:59,529 --> 00:41:02,529 Columbia Pictures was literally on the verge of bankruptcy, 800 00:41:02,529 --> 00:41:05,654 and they bet the farm on this movie. 801 00:41:05,654 --> 00:41:09,071 He had bankers and Hollywood breathing down his neck 802 00:41:09,071 --> 00:41:12,112 to prove to the world that "Jaws" wasn't a fluke. 803 00:41:12,112 --> 00:41:16,695 So, Steven had a giant responsibility on his shoulders, 804 00:41:16,695 --> 00:41:20,029 but he had to stay true to what worked for him, 805 00:41:20,029 --> 00:41:21,779 or it wasn't gonna be a good film. 806 00:41:21,779 --> 00:41:23,695 And he did. 807 00:41:23,695 --> 00:41:26,862 Win or lose, he made the movie that he had dreamed of making. 808 00:41:30,237 --> 00:41:32,071 Spielberg: When I was a kid, my dad took me to watch 809 00:41:32,071 --> 00:41:35,237 the Perseid meteor shower and introduced me to the sky 810 00:41:35,237 --> 00:41:37,570 as a place of unspeakable wonders. 811 00:41:37,570 --> 00:41:40,904 And because it was such a beautiful experience for me, 812 00:41:40,904 --> 00:41:43,862 the heavens promised if there was ever gonna be, 813 00:41:43,862 --> 00:41:46,654 you know, a first meeting 814 00:41:46,654 --> 00:41:49,529 between an extraterrestrial civilization and our own, 815 00:41:49,529 --> 00:41:53,195 it would only be benign and constructive. 816 00:41:53,195 --> 00:41:54,737 It would be a conversation. 817 00:41:54,737 --> 00:42:00,237 ( high notes playing ) 818 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,071 ( low notes playing ) 819 00:42:04,071 --> 00:42:05,987 Williams: When these extraterrestrials are coming here, 820 00:42:05,987 --> 00:42:07,654 we don't know what they can speak, 821 00:42:07,654 --> 00:42:09,362 what they understand, or even what they see, 822 00:42:09,362 --> 00:42:11,695 so Steven had this idea that communication 823 00:42:11,695 --> 00:42:15,779 should be a combination of sound and light. 824 00:42:15,779 --> 00:42:18,071 ( notes playing ) 825 00:42:20,779 --> 00:42:26,362 ( notes playing ) 826 00:42:26,362 --> 00:42:28,529 Spielberg: I had first thought mathematics would be 827 00:42:28,529 --> 00:42:30,987 the common language between intergalactic species, 828 00:42:30,987 --> 00:42:33,654 but I thought it would be much more emotional 829 00:42:33,654 --> 00:42:37,112 if music was how we spoke to one another. 830 00:42:37,112 --> 00:42:39,153 ( music playing ) 831 00:42:41,779 --> 00:42:44,029 Spielberg: I don't search for films consciously 832 00:42:44,029 --> 00:42:46,612 that have a spiritual core. 833 00:42:46,612 --> 00:42:48,779 There's a spiritual part of myself that happens 834 00:42:48,779 --> 00:42:52,445 to bleed over into the work, and so I subconsciously, 835 00:42:52,445 --> 00:42:54,946 which is the only choice that's important, 836 00:42:54,946 --> 00:42:59,237 will find things that inherently have something of a belief system 837 00:42:59,237 --> 00:43:01,946 that's beyond our understanding, that's a little bit out there. 838 00:43:01,946 --> 00:43:05,779 Balaban: "Close Encounters" was much more a personal statement 839 00:43:05,779 --> 00:43:08,112 than his previous two movies had been. 840 00:43:08,112 --> 00:43:10,320 I mean, he wrote the script. 841 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,821 It really meant a huge amount to Steven. 842 00:43:12,821 --> 00:43:14,946 Its genesis was from a film 843 00:43:14,946 --> 00:43:17,362 I had actually written and directed when I was 17. 844 00:43:17,362 --> 00:43:20,654 ( music playing ) 845 00:43:20,654 --> 00:43:24,153 It was the story of man's first contact with UFOs. 846 00:43:26,112 --> 00:43:31,153 And there were actually UFOs in "Firelight" that I created. 847 00:43:31,153 --> 00:43:34,153 I saw a lot of movies, and I had a whole card catalogue in my brain 848 00:43:34,153 --> 00:43:36,071 of the things I had seen. 849 00:43:36,071 --> 00:43:38,654 And just by watching movies with special effects in them, 850 00:43:38,654 --> 00:43:41,821 I could figure most everything out. 851 00:43:41,821 --> 00:43:44,195 Balaban: In a way, he had lived with "Close Encounters" 852 00:43:44,195 --> 00:43:46,904 since he was a child. 853 00:43:46,904 --> 00:43:50,403 And he had a vision in a real palpable sense 854 00:43:50,403 --> 00:43:52,487 of what this movie should feel like 855 00:43:52,487 --> 00:43:53,987 when you experience the movie. 856 00:43:55,570 --> 00:43:58,654 Steven doesn't want to make little personal movies. 857 00:43:58,654 --> 00:44:01,612 He wants to make big personal movies. 858 00:44:01,612 --> 00:44:03,821 That's not right. That's not right. 859 00:44:07,195 --> 00:44:08,695 That's not right. 860 00:44:10,862 --> 00:44:12,529 That's not right. 861 00:44:15,946 --> 00:44:18,071 Spielberg: I identified with this obsession 862 00:44:18,071 --> 00:44:20,445 that Richard Dreyfuss was struggling with. 863 00:44:20,445 --> 00:44:22,112 I was Neary in that movie. 864 00:44:23,904 --> 00:44:26,695 Something opens up his imagination 865 00:44:26,695 --> 00:44:28,403 to go for something that he thinks 866 00:44:28,403 --> 00:44:31,862 is going to provide some cathartic answer. 867 00:44:31,862 --> 00:44:34,320 He had to go through chaos 868 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,737 to reach some kind of clarity. 869 00:44:36,737 --> 00:44:38,737 He was an artist trying to plumb 870 00:44:38,737 --> 00:44:41,487 the depths of his imagination. 871 00:44:41,487 --> 00:44:43,071 And so I think in a sense 872 00:44:43,071 --> 00:44:44,862 "Close Encounters" is maybe the most, 873 00:44:44,862 --> 00:44:46,946 at least certainly the most personal film 874 00:44:46,946 --> 00:44:49,737 I had made up to that point, 875 00:44:49,737 --> 00:44:52,862 because it was also about the dissolution of a family. 876 00:45:03,112 --> 00:45:05,487 ( crying ) 877 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,487 Nancy: I remember when we moved to Northern California from Arizona. 878 00:45:13,487 --> 00:45:17,071 I had sensed that things weren't going well with my parents. 879 00:45:17,071 --> 00:45:18,904 Spielberg: And one day, my dad just broke down, 880 00:45:18,904 --> 00:45:20,946 and I never had seen my dad cry before. 881 00:45:20,946 --> 00:45:22,695 And I just stood there in the kitchen, 882 00:45:22,695 --> 00:45:25,237 outraged that my father was not a man. 883 00:45:25,237 --> 00:45:27,862 He was crying like a little boy. 884 00:45:27,862 --> 00:45:31,320 And I started screaming "crybaby" at him as loud as I could. 885 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,071 Just started screaming, "Crybaby, you crybaby, you crybaby," 886 00:45:34,071 --> 00:45:35,612 until they pushed me out of the kitchen. 887 00:45:35,612 --> 00:45:38,403 Roy, promise me that you'll go! Please! 888 00:45:38,403 --> 00:45:42,237 You crybaby! You crybaby! You crybaby! 889 00:45:42,237 --> 00:45:45,153 - You crybaby! Crybaby! - Get out of here! Get out! 890 00:45:45,153 --> 00:45:46,737 Come on, you guys. 891 00:45:46,737 --> 00:45:47,821 - Crybaby! - Come on. 892 00:45:47,821 --> 00:45:49,278 You crybaby! 893 00:45:49,278 --> 00:45:51,320 - Be quiet! - Ronnie: Stop it! 894 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,403 My mom went from being completely joyful 895 00:45:55,403 --> 00:45:58,487 and celebrative about life itself 896 00:45:58,487 --> 00:46:04,278 to being full of despair and palpable sadness. 897 00:46:04,278 --> 00:46:07,112 ( music playing ) 898 00:46:12,071 --> 00:46:14,195 Spielberg: I would see my mom going into the living room 899 00:46:14,195 --> 00:46:17,821 and playing some Schumann and crying. 900 00:46:17,821 --> 00:46:20,779 Crying to the point she couldn't see the notes on the paper. 901 00:46:22,779 --> 00:46:25,570 I'd sit with her and hold her hand, talk to her. 902 00:46:25,570 --> 00:46:28,779 She just said, "I'm so lonely here. I'm so sad here." 903 00:46:28,779 --> 00:46:30,654 I was going through the same thing. 904 00:46:30,654 --> 00:46:32,195 And all I knew was that my dad 905 00:46:32,195 --> 00:46:34,403 was fulfilled up there, and we weren't. 906 00:46:34,403 --> 00:46:36,821 So, when it was announced by my mom 907 00:46:36,821 --> 00:46:39,862 that my mom and my dad were splitting up, 908 00:46:39,862 --> 00:46:41,320 I didn't know any of the details. 909 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,779 I didn't know why they were splitting up, 910 00:46:43,779 --> 00:46:44,946 and I didn't for a long time. 911 00:46:44,946 --> 00:46:46,195 I didn't want to know. 912 00:46:46,195 --> 00:46:48,904 I fell in love with somebody else. 913 00:46:48,904 --> 00:46:53,237 I was madly in love with Bernie Adler. 914 00:46:53,237 --> 00:46:56,779 I look back, I think, "How dare I do that?" 915 00:46:56,779 --> 00:46:58,779 But I really didn't care at that point. 916 00:46:58,779 --> 00:47:01,695 It was all about me and my unhappiness. 917 00:47:01,695 --> 00:47:04,654 Anne: Bernie had been my father's best friend, 918 00:47:04,654 --> 00:47:06,237 and he was a fixture. 919 00:47:06,237 --> 00:47:07,362 It was like having an uncle. 920 00:47:10,071 --> 00:47:13,278 Arnold: I never would tell the kids that she divorced me. 921 00:47:13,278 --> 00:47:15,612 Instead, I let them think I divorced her. 922 00:47:15,612 --> 00:47:16,904 Lacy: Why did you do that? 923 00:47:16,904 --> 00:47:18,904 Protecting her 'cause she's fragile. 924 00:47:20,237 --> 00:47:21,946 And she still is. 925 00:47:21,946 --> 00:47:26,403 And so, I figured I could be hurt less than she. 926 00:47:26,403 --> 00:47:28,362 I still loved her. 927 00:47:28,362 --> 00:47:30,904 My dad and my stepfather were best friends. 928 00:47:30,904 --> 00:47:33,195 My mom married Dad's best friend. 929 00:47:33,195 --> 00:47:34,737 You look at the big picture, that's shit. 930 00:47:34,737 --> 00:47:36,904 That's really bad. 931 00:47:36,904 --> 00:47:38,487 It didn't hit me till I got older 932 00:47:38,487 --> 00:47:40,612 that that was a really tough thing for Dad, 933 00:47:40,612 --> 00:47:43,403 and I-- my heart bled for him. 934 00:47:43,403 --> 00:47:46,737 Anne: Steve really thought my dad left us. 935 00:47:46,737 --> 00:47:51,278 So, during a number of years, we blocked him out. 936 00:47:51,278 --> 00:47:53,695 And Steve, I know, blamed him 937 00:47:53,695 --> 00:47:57,737 for the relationship going bad. 938 00:47:57,737 --> 00:47:59,403 Spielberg: It was literally the worst period 939 00:47:59,403 --> 00:48:00,779 of my entire life. 940 00:48:02,946 --> 00:48:05,278 I never told my dad I was mad at him. 941 00:48:05,278 --> 00:48:06,946 We never had angry words, 942 00:48:06,946 --> 00:48:08,946 but it was an estrangement 943 00:48:08,946 --> 00:48:10,612 that I created, not from my dad. 944 00:48:10,612 --> 00:48:12,946 He was seeking a relationship with me. 945 00:48:12,946 --> 00:48:15,445 I just went off and got lost in my work, 946 00:48:15,445 --> 00:48:17,278 the way I saw my dad get lost in his 947 00:48:17,278 --> 00:48:19,237 all those years of coming home late 948 00:48:19,237 --> 00:48:21,695 and working weekends back in Phoenix and all of that. 949 00:48:21,695 --> 00:48:24,445 I became my father. I became a workaholic. 950 00:48:24,445 --> 00:48:28,695 And I just lost the contact with him. 951 00:48:28,695 --> 00:48:32,487 It went on for... 15 years. 952 00:48:35,071 --> 00:48:36,612 Tom Snyder: You know, I read about you today. 953 00:48:36,612 --> 00:48:38,403 You've done four pictures. That's all. 954 00:48:38,403 --> 00:48:40,570 Four movies that I can count. 955 00:48:40,570 --> 00:48:42,612 You're not Alfred Hitchcock who's done over 50. 956 00:48:42,612 --> 00:48:43,862 You're not John Ford. 957 00:48:43,862 --> 00:48:45,320 Can you believe that you've directed 958 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,987 four pictures and you're a famous person? 959 00:48:46,987 --> 00:48:50,195 - Can you believe that? - Can I believe that? 960 00:48:52,112 --> 00:48:53,737 Yes, I can, as a matter of fact. 961 00:48:53,737 --> 00:48:55,946 I can believe that I've directed four pictures, 962 00:48:55,946 --> 00:48:58,779 although it seems like I've been directing much longer. 963 00:48:58,779 --> 00:49:02,071 Tom Hanks: He arrived on the scene in such a huge manner. 964 00:49:02,071 --> 00:49:03,779 You know, the way "Jaws" entered 965 00:49:03,779 --> 00:49:06,737 into the consciousness of the world was huge. 966 00:49:06,737 --> 00:49:09,112 "Close Encounters" was 10 times as huge. 967 00:49:09,112 --> 00:49:11,779 But Steven was in the process of inventing himself. 968 00:49:11,779 --> 00:49:14,320 I don't think he himself knew 969 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,487 where this road was gonna take him. 970 00:49:16,487 --> 00:49:18,821 I'm sure, like everybody else at that age, 971 00:49:18,821 --> 00:49:21,904 he was wondering was he really as good as he thought he was. 972 00:49:21,904 --> 00:49:24,362 And turned out he was. 973 00:49:24,362 --> 00:49:25,987 Scorsese: Once you do "Jaws" 974 00:49:25,987 --> 00:49:28,612 and then "Close Encounters," well, where do you go? 975 00:49:28,612 --> 00:49:31,153 The bar, as they say, is set a certain level. 976 00:49:31,153 --> 00:49:32,362 And what do you do? 977 00:49:32,362 --> 00:49:33,737 You get yourself into shape 978 00:49:33,737 --> 00:49:35,779 and you jump over the bar again. 979 00:49:35,779 --> 00:49:37,445 ( crickets chirping ) 980 00:49:37,445 --> 00:49:40,320 - ( rustling ) - ( heavy breathing ) 981 00:49:48,946 --> 00:49:51,487 ( screaming ) 982 00:49:51,487 --> 00:49:54,071 ( screams ) 983 00:49:54,071 --> 00:49:58,320 - ( rustling ) - ( both screaming ) 984 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,612 Spielberg: Originally, my idea for "E.T." 985 00:50:00,612 --> 00:50:03,737 didn't include an extraterrestrial. 986 00:50:03,737 --> 00:50:07,946 It was gonna be about how a divorce affects childhood 987 00:50:07,946 --> 00:50:11,278 and how it really kind of traumatizes children. 988 00:50:15,362 --> 00:50:19,362 - Dad's shirt. - Yeah. 989 00:50:19,362 --> 00:50:24,071 ( chuckles ) Remember when he used to take us out to the ball games 990 00:50:24,071 --> 00:50:25,946 and take us to the movies, 991 00:50:25,946 --> 00:50:28,320 and we'd have popcorn fights? 992 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,195 So, the overriding theme was gonna be about 993 00:50:32,195 --> 00:50:34,612 how do you fill the heart of a lonely child? 994 00:50:34,612 --> 00:50:38,946 Me, human. Boy. 995 00:50:38,946 --> 00:50:42,779 - Elliott. - Spielberg: And what extraordinary event 996 00:50:42,779 --> 00:50:44,779 would it take to fill Elliott's heart 997 00:50:44,779 --> 00:50:47,112 after losing his dad? 998 00:50:47,112 --> 00:50:49,946 It would take something as extraordinary 999 00:50:49,946 --> 00:50:51,904 as an extraterrestrial coming into his life. 1000 00:50:51,904 --> 00:50:54,237 ( music playing ) 1001 00:51:05,445 --> 00:51:07,278 Drew Barrymore: Steven, as a filmmaker, 1002 00:51:07,278 --> 00:51:12,362 can create otherworldly, almost impossible scenarios, 1003 00:51:12,362 --> 00:51:15,112 but do it in a suburban setting 1004 00:51:15,112 --> 00:51:17,987 and with real families and real people, 1005 00:51:17,987 --> 00:51:22,570 and so, you are able to go outer worldly, outer space, 1006 00:51:22,570 --> 00:51:26,112 extraterrestrial, implausible scenario, 1007 00:51:26,112 --> 00:51:29,695 because it's grounded in human beings 1008 00:51:29,695 --> 00:51:31,487 and human stories. 1009 00:51:31,487 --> 00:51:34,153 Okay, he's a man from outer space 1010 00:51:34,153 --> 00:51:36,695 and we're taking him to his spaceship. 1011 00:51:36,695 --> 00:51:41,570 - Well, can't he just beam up? - This is reality, Greg. 1012 00:51:41,570 --> 00:51:44,821 Spielberg: "E.T." was a suburban American story, 1013 00:51:44,821 --> 00:51:47,029 and suburbia was all I knew growing up. 1014 00:51:47,029 --> 00:51:50,112 So, the movies I made in the '70s, the '80s, 1015 00:51:50,112 --> 00:51:52,654 were a reflection of what I knew. 1016 00:51:52,654 --> 00:51:54,445 My main religion was suburbia. 1017 00:51:54,445 --> 00:51:56,529 You know, the families all getting together, 1018 00:51:56,529 --> 00:51:59,529 nobody gets divorced, nobody's unhappy with each other. 1019 00:51:59,529 --> 00:52:00,946 'Course, it's all false. 1020 00:52:00,946 --> 00:52:03,153 Maybe you just probably imagined it... 1021 00:52:03,153 --> 00:52:06,904 - I couldn't have imagined it. - Maybe it was a pervert or deformed kid or something. 1022 00:52:06,904 --> 00:52:08,695 A deformed kid. 1023 00:52:08,695 --> 00:52:11,362 Maybe an elf or a leprechaun. 1024 00:52:11,362 --> 00:52:13,529 It was nothing like that, penis breath! 1025 00:52:13,529 --> 00:52:15,821 Elliott! ( laughs ) 1026 00:52:15,821 --> 00:52:17,029 Sit down. 1027 00:52:19,362 --> 00:52:22,695 - ( clears throat ) - Dad would believe me. 1028 00:52:23,821 --> 00:52:25,195 ( sighs ) 1029 00:52:27,737 --> 00:52:31,445 Maybe you ought to call your father and tell him about it. 1030 00:52:31,445 --> 00:52:33,987 I can't. He's in Mexico with Sally. 1031 00:52:41,821 --> 00:52:44,529 Where's Mexico? 1032 00:52:44,529 --> 00:52:47,071 Spielberg: I saw my childhood through this family 1033 00:52:47,071 --> 00:52:50,612 and those young, wonderful actors. 1034 00:52:50,612 --> 00:52:52,654 Peter Coyote: When Steven works with children, 1035 00:52:52,654 --> 00:52:55,987 he brings a kind of "let's play" feeling. 1036 00:52:55,987 --> 00:52:58,737 He'd have to pull you back. Grab on to this, right here. 1037 00:52:58,737 --> 00:53:02,071 Coyote: It's not like somebody talking baby talk to kids. 1038 00:53:02,071 --> 00:53:05,029 It's just he's really communicating to them. 1039 00:53:05,029 --> 00:53:08,737 And it's sort of like direct transmission. 1040 00:53:08,737 --> 00:53:13,237 Now he suddenly turns to you, his eyes come open. 1041 00:53:14,987 --> 00:53:17,278 ( screams, panting ) 1042 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,737 Do that to E.T. Give that joyful scream to E.T. 1043 00:53:21,737 --> 00:53:24,737 Do the line again, really excited about "Are they coming?" 1044 00:53:24,737 --> 00:53:26,821 Breathing, breathing, breathing, breathing, breathing. 1045 00:53:26,821 --> 00:53:28,487 - Work yourself up. - Does this mean they're coming? 1046 00:53:28,487 --> 00:53:30,445 No, work yourself up even more. Work yourself up. 1047 00:53:30,445 --> 00:53:33,237 ( panting ) Does this mean they're coming? 1048 00:53:33,237 --> 00:53:35,153 Bigger, bigger. "Does this mean they're coming?" 1049 00:53:35,153 --> 00:53:37,362 Does this mean they're coming? 1050 00:53:37,362 --> 00:53:39,445 - Yes! - ( screams ) 1051 00:53:39,445 --> 00:53:42,904 Melissa Mathison: He had to be a bit of a father, a bit of a pal, 1052 00:53:42,904 --> 00:53:46,904 but he was, more than anything, an observer of them, 1053 00:53:46,904 --> 00:53:48,821 and I think that was a lot of fun for him. 1054 00:53:48,821 --> 00:53:51,237 - All of the kids were fun for him. - You gotta take me seriously. 1055 00:53:51,237 --> 00:53:54,278 - This is Halloween, folks. Hello, my love. - Hi, Granny. 1056 00:53:54,278 --> 00:53:57,237 Wait a sec. Drew, this is for you, my darling. 1057 00:53:57,237 --> 00:54:01,445 - Your apple. - Spielberg: I wanted to shoot "E.T." in continuity. 1058 00:54:01,445 --> 00:54:04,529 It gives the kids a context for the work they're doing that day, 1059 00:54:04,529 --> 00:54:07,821 'cause they know that tomorrow will be tomorrow in the script 1060 00:54:07,821 --> 00:54:10,487 and yesterday was yesterday in the script. 1061 00:54:10,487 --> 00:54:12,237 So, for young kids, 1062 00:54:12,237 --> 00:54:15,654 it gives them a real confidence that they're living a life 1063 00:54:15,654 --> 00:54:17,695 and they're living a story's life. 1064 00:54:17,695 --> 00:54:20,195 Now they put the machine on his chest, 1065 00:54:20,195 --> 00:54:23,529 and they're gonna give him a shock to try to make him come back. 1066 00:54:23,529 --> 00:54:25,779 And when they give him the shock, 1067 00:54:25,779 --> 00:54:29,612 it's very loud and it makes you jump and cry even more. 1068 00:54:29,612 --> 00:54:31,320 They're putting it on his chest now, 1069 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,654 and he presses the button, and it goes, "Pow!" 1070 00:54:34,654 --> 00:54:36,612 - ( crying ) - Are you okay, honey? 1071 00:54:36,612 --> 00:54:38,946 Huh? Are you okay? 1072 00:54:38,946 --> 00:54:41,862 Let's see. Wipe your doll's face, too. 1073 00:54:41,862 --> 00:54:44,195 Thank you. Thank you. 1074 00:54:44,195 --> 00:54:46,946 - ( crying ) - Okay. Oh. 1075 00:54:46,946 --> 00:54:51,445 For many years I wondered about the universal appeal of this movie, 1076 00:54:51,445 --> 00:54:53,779 and one day, it hit me. 1077 00:54:53,779 --> 00:54:56,445 There are no two humans on Earth 1078 00:54:56,445 --> 00:54:58,695 that are father apart 1079 00:54:58,695 --> 00:55:02,029 than those humans and that alien creature. 1080 00:55:02,029 --> 00:55:03,529 Come. 1081 00:55:07,737 --> 00:55:09,320 Stay. 1082 00:55:12,112 --> 00:55:14,278 Coyote: And if Elliott, 1083 00:55:14,278 --> 00:55:16,862 and the mother, and the little girl, 1084 00:55:16,862 --> 00:55:22,904 and the scientist, could all love and empathize 1085 00:55:22,904 --> 00:55:25,320 and make a rapprochement 1086 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,487 and a rapport with this creature, 1087 00:55:28,487 --> 00:55:32,029 so, too, can any two humans on Earth, 1088 00:55:32,029 --> 00:55:36,946 and I think that was a subtext that bubbled up through the film 1089 00:55:36,946 --> 00:55:38,737 and must have touched something, 1090 00:55:38,737 --> 00:55:40,737 because you don't get many films 1091 00:55:40,737 --> 00:55:43,946 that are universally loved and appreciated 1092 00:55:43,946 --> 00:55:45,779 40 years later. 1093 00:55:46,946 --> 00:55:49,112 And it spoke to something. 1094 00:55:49,112 --> 00:55:52,946 Some desire to be able to reach across boundaries 1095 00:55:52,946 --> 00:55:54,904 and touch other people. 1096 00:55:56,821 --> 00:56:02,445 I'll be right here. 1097 00:56:12,112 --> 00:56:14,862 Bye. 1098 00:56:14,862 --> 00:56:17,779 Leonardo DiCaprio: It's a very difficult balance as a director 1099 00:56:17,779 --> 00:56:21,904 to push a young child to do a dramatic sequence, 1100 00:56:21,904 --> 00:56:25,487 because you're obviously manipulating them to some capacity. 1101 00:56:28,904 --> 00:56:32,237 But Steven knew how to take them as a director 1102 00:56:32,237 --> 00:56:35,362 into some of these darker places 1103 00:56:35,362 --> 00:56:38,403 while handling them with kid gloves. 1104 00:56:38,403 --> 00:56:40,278 ( music playing ) 1105 00:56:47,654 --> 00:56:50,153 A.O. Scott: The children in Spielberg's world 1106 00:56:50,153 --> 00:56:52,362 may be vulnerable, may be unhappy, 1107 00:56:52,362 --> 00:56:55,487 but they're also very-- they're very powerful 1108 00:56:55,487 --> 00:56:56,987 and they're heroic. 1109 00:56:56,987 --> 00:57:00,487 ( music playing ) 1110 00:57:02,695 --> 00:57:04,737 Spielberg: I think all of my movies that have dealt 1111 00:57:04,737 --> 00:57:06,445 with young people and their stories 1112 00:57:06,445 --> 00:57:09,862 are about the importance of empowering these children 1113 00:57:09,862 --> 00:57:12,112 to take control of the story, 1114 00:57:12,112 --> 00:57:13,821 at least take control of their lives. 1115 00:57:15,862 --> 00:57:16,946 ( yelps ) 1116 00:57:19,029 --> 00:57:22,237 Kathleen Kennedy: Steven intuitively looks at the world 1117 00:57:22,237 --> 00:57:24,362 through a lens of innocence, 1118 00:57:24,362 --> 00:57:26,904 and children do that naturally. 1119 00:57:26,904 --> 00:57:30,362 So, it became the kind of go-to lens 1120 00:57:30,362 --> 00:57:33,987 that he wanted to use for his storytelling. 1121 00:57:33,987 --> 00:57:36,153 George Negus: One of the most interesting things that I've read about you 1122 00:57:36,153 --> 00:57:39,029 was a headline which said, "Steven Spielberg is making 1123 00:57:39,029 --> 00:57:42,987 movies and a fortune while he's still growing up. 1124 00:57:42,987 --> 00:57:44,695 He's really just a big kid." 1125 00:57:44,695 --> 00:57:47,112 Is that how you see yourself? Is that a reasonable comment? 1126 00:57:47,112 --> 00:57:51,112 I think it's reasonable. You have to understand-- how do you define a big kid? 1127 00:57:51,112 --> 00:57:54,029 A responsible big kid, or just an irresponsible big kid? 1128 00:57:54,029 --> 00:57:56,695 Because I think you have to be responsible, 1129 00:57:56,695 --> 00:57:59,153 but you don't want to lose the child in you, 1130 00:57:59,153 --> 00:58:01,112 because that's what keeps you young, 1131 00:58:01,112 --> 00:58:03,153 and that's what keeps you in touch, 1132 00:58:03,153 --> 00:58:06,071 and keeps a smile on your face. 1133 00:58:06,071 --> 00:58:07,862 I don't quite know 1134 00:58:07,862 --> 00:58:10,487 what it would be like to become an adult. 1135 00:58:12,737 --> 00:58:14,445 - Oh... - My... 1136 00:58:14,445 --> 00:58:15,403 God! 1137 00:58:15,403 --> 00:58:17,529 ( both screaming ) 1138 00:58:19,029 --> 00:58:20,821 Spielberg: I was feeling my oats 1139 00:58:20,821 --> 00:58:23,071 after both "Jaws" and "Close Encounters." 1140 00:58:23,071 --> 00:58:25,904 And so I thought, "I can do a comedy." Why not? 1141 00:58:25,904 --> 00:58:29,071 If I did those two movies, why can't I do anything? 1142 00:58:29,071 --> 00:58:30,487 And I have a sense of humor. 1143 00:58:30,487 --> 00:58:32,487 I go to movies and I laugh when they're funny. 1144 00:58:32,487 --> 00:58:34,529 Why not tackle a comedy? 1145 00:58:34,529 --> 00:58:37,570 I felt pretty invulnerable at that time. 1146 00:58:37,570 --> 00:58:39,362 I can assure you 1147 00:58:39,362 --> 00:58:42,112 there will be no bombs dropped here. 1148 00:58:42,112 --> 00:58:43,862 Bob Zemeckis and Bob Gale wrote the script, 1149 00:58:43,862 --> 00:58:45,278 and it was lean and mean. 1150 00:58:45,278 --> 00:58:47,237 I'm the one that stretched the humor 1151 00:58:47,237 --> 00:58:50,904 and the budget to its breaking point. 1152 00:58:50,904 --> 00:58:54,779 To me, it was an excuse to just blow a bunch of shit up 1153 00:58:54,779 --> 00:58:57,987 and try to get an audience to laugh. 1154 00:58:57,987 --> 00:59:01,695 But it was like I committed a war crime by making "1941." 1155 00:59:01,695 --> 00:59:03,904 Everyone was eviscerating it. 1156 00:59:03,904 --> 00:59:06,946 I was really devastated. 1157 00:59:06,946 --> 00:59:10,821 Just that feeling of failure, that cold emptiness, 1158 00:59:10,821 --> 00:59:12,779 where every reminder of the movie, 1159 00:59:12,779 --> 00:59:14,946 you get that sick feeling in the center of your stomach, 1160 00:59:14,946 --> 00:59:18,278 and you just want to go dig a hole and stick your head in it. 1161 00:59:18,278 --> 00:59:22,278 I mean, for the next year, I put my head in a lot of holes. 1162 00:59:22,278 --> 00:59:25,445 And my friend George Lucas came to the rescue. 1163 00:59:25,445 --> 00:59:27,987 ( music playing ) 1164 00:59:34,946 --> 00:59:37,153 George said, "What are you doing next?" 1165 00:59:37,153 --> 00:59:40,362 Lucas: And Steven said that he really wanted to do a James Bond film. 1166 00:59:40,362 --> 00:59:42,862 And George said, "I have something much better than James Bond." 1167 00:59:42,862 --> 00:59:44,570 Lucas: It's about an archeologist 1168 00:59:44,570 --> 00:59:46,695 and he goes hunting for supernatural artifacts. 1169 00:59:46,695 --> 00:59:48,779 And Steven said, "I love it. 1170 00:59:48,779 --> 00:59:50,362 Let's do it." 1171 00:59:50,362 --> 00:59:53,487 Spielberg: He's not a stock, standard hero. 1172 00:59:53,487 --> 00:59:55,654 He's not one of these "just add water" 1173 00:59:55,654 --> 00:59:57,987 and he'll grow into the hero of your dreams. 1174 00:59:57,987 --> 01:00:00,029 There's a human being under all of that. 1175 01:00:00,029 --> 01:00:03,237 That's what made Indiana Jones accessible to audiences. 1176 01:00:03,237 --> 01:00:06,612 - I think they're trying to kill us. - I know, Dad! 1177 01:00:06,612 --> 01:00:09,029 Well, it's a new experience for me. 1178 01:00:09,029 --> 01:00:11,821 - ( plane engine buzzing ) - Happens to me all the time. 1179 01:00:13,071 --> 01:00:15,153 ( men yelling ) 1180 01:00:18,071 --> 01:00:20,695 ( music playing ) 1181 01:00:27,737 --> 01:00:31,029 Lucas: It's an action-adventure movie where every reel is a cliffhanger. 1182 01:00:31,029 --> 01:00:34,029 Spielberg: Just pure escapist entertainment. 1183 01:00:36,237 --> 01:00:38,862 Lucas: It was gonna be an all-out "B" movie, 1184 01:00:38,862 --> 01:00:42,529 and "B" movies are fun because they don't take themselves that seriously. 1185 01:00:42,529 --> 01:00:44,029 You do them quick. You do them dirty. 1186 01:00:44,029 --> 01:00:45,862 You cheat on everything you possibly can 1187 01:00:45,862 --> 01:00:47,445 to save as much money as you possibly can, 1188 01:00:47,445 --> 01:00:49,071 and you don't worry about the fact 1189 01:00:49,071 --> 01:00:50,987 that it's not gonna be "Lawrence of Arabia." 1190 01:00:59,737 --> 01:01:01,654 ( crowd cheering ) 1191 01:01:01,654 --> 01:01:04,278 Lucas: We took it to the studios, and what I didn't realize 1192 01:01:04,278 --> 01:01:07,237 was that Steven didn't have that great a reputation, 1193 01:01:07,237 --> 01:01:10,029 because he was always going over budget and over schedule. 1194 01:01:10,029 --> 01:01:13,029 So, every studio said no. 1195 01:01:13,029 --> 01:01:15,737 And some of them even said, "You know, if you can get a different director, 1196 01:01:15,737 --> 01:01:19,529 we'll do it, but Steven can't make that film for $20 million." 1197 01:01:19,529 --> 01:01:23,071 So, Steven said, "I promise you, I will not betray you. 1198 01:01:23,071 --> 01:01:25,487 If it's $20 million, we will make it for $20 million." 1199 01:01:25,487 --> 01:01:28,071 Spielberg: My experience on three cost overruns, 1200 01:01:28,071 --> 01:01:29,737 "Jaws," "Close Encounters," "'41," 1201 01:01:29,737 --> 01:01:31,529 taught me how to be more economical 1202 01:01:31,529 --> 01:01:34,112 and benefited "Raiders" immeasurably. 1203 01:01:34,112 --> 01:01:37,278 Lucas: He had something to prove, but he also didn't wanna let me down, his friend. 1204 01:01:37,278 --> 01:01:40,529 You know, it's like, it wasn't a studio, it was us. 1205 01:01:40,529 --> 01:01:43,862 Friday night. If we don't get this, we don't get the shot. 1206 01:01:43,862 --> 01:01:46,904 If we don't get the shot, we don't get the movie. 1207 01:01:46,904 --> 01:01:49,821 If they don't get the movie, we're all up the creek. 1208 01:01:49,821 --> 01:01:51,612 Spielberg: George said, "Look, if you direct this, 1209 01:01:51,612 --> 01:01:53,320 you have to shake my hand right now and promise 1210 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,946 if it's a big hit, you gotta direct two more." 1211 01:01:55,946 --> 01:01:58,112 And it was a great collaboration. 1212 01:01:58,112 --> 01:01:59,695 Dad! 1213 01:01:59,695 --> 01:02:01,071 - What? What? - Dad! 1214 01:02:01,071 --> 01:02:02,320 - Dad! - What? 1215 01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,487 - Head for the fireplace. - Oh. 1216 01:02:04,487 --> 01:02:08,278 Harrison Ford: The "Indiana Jones" movies were always more about movies 1217 01:02:08,278 --> 01:02:10,112 than they were about anything else. 1218 01:02:10,112 --> 01:02:12,987 They followed certain film formulas, 1219 01:02:12,987 --> 01:02:15,946 which freed them to do silly stuff. 1220 01:02:15,946 --> 01:02:17,821 ( music playing ) 1221 01:02:24,153 --> 01:02:26,654 Tom Stoppard: There was something which I simply adored 1222 01:02:26,654 --> 01:02:28,237 in "Indiana Jones." 1223 01:02:28,237 --> 01:02:30,362 When Harrison had fallen over a cliff 1224 01:02:30,362 --> 01:02:33,862 and his friends thought he was dead and they were peering down, 1225 01:02:33,862 --> 01:02:36,445 and Harrison had come up without his hat, 1226 01:02:36,445 --> 01:02:39,862 because he'd fallen over a cliff, for heaven's sake, 1227 01:02:39,862 --> 01:02:44,320 and a mysterious breeze blows the hat into frame. ( chuckles ) 1228 01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,904 Ford: These movies are clearly made for an audience. 1229 01:02:47,904 --> 01:02:49,946 They're made for the filmgoer. 1230 01:02:49,946 --> 01:02:52,987 They're meant for the pure joy of entertainment. 1231 01:02:52,987 --> 01:02:56,112 Which doesn't mean that they can't be emotionally involving, 1232 01:02:56,112 --> 01:02:59,570 which doesn't mean they can't be smart from time to time. 1233 01:02:59,570 --> 01:03:01,612 ( wind gusting ) 1234 01:03:06,487 --> 01:03:11,320 Ford: But they have to be satisfying entertainment. 1235 01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,570 And Steven and George have figured out 1236 01:03:13,570 --> 01:03:17,153 how to use the engine of filmmaking 1237 01:03:17,153 --> 01:03:19,529 to satisfy an audience in a way 1238 01:03:19,529 --> 01:03:23,029 not so many directors or producers have. 1239 01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:25,029 ( music playing ) 1240 01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:27,278 Hugh Downs: In the century-long history of motion pictures, 1241 01:03:27,278 --> 01:03:29,821 there has been one director, just one, 1242 01:03:29,821 --> 01:03:33,195 whose movies have earned a total of a billion dollars-- 1243 01:03:33,195 --> 01:03:35,195 Steven Spielberg. 1244 01:03:35,195 --> 01:03:37,362 Walter Parkes: Steven is arguably the most commercial director 1245 01:03:37,362 --> 01:03:39,112 in the history of motion pictures, 1246 01:03:39,112 --> 01:03:41,529 and I think it's because he has a deep understanding 1247 01:03:41,529 --> 01:03:43,445 of how the language of cinema 1248 01:03:43,445 --> 01:03:45,904 elicits an emotional reaction in an audience. 1249 01:03:45,904 --> 01:03:50,737 And there's no question that the idea of making movies that became phenomenons 1250 01:03:50,737 --> 01:03:53,029 was extremely exciting for Steven. 1251 01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:54,987 But it brought a lot of mixed results. 1252 01:03:54,987 --> 01:03:56,529 There were people that hated him, 1253 01:03:56,529 --> 01:03:58,862 people that blamed him for ruining the movies. 1254 01:03:58,862 --> 01:04:01,403 William Goldman had written specifically 1255 01:04:01,403 --> 01:04:03,071 that the blockbuster and Steven 1256 01:04:03,071 --> 01:04:05,403 and George Lucas had destroyed Hollywood. 1257 01:04:05,403 --> 01:04:08,362 Edelstein: Some people saw Spielberg as a repressive force, 1258 01:04:08,362 --> 01:04:12,029 that he was bringing in a kind of empty escapism 1259 01:04:12,029 --> 01:04:14,821 that was going to take film in another direction. 1260 01:04:14,821 --> 01:04:17,071 And certainly with the marketing executives 1261 01:04:17,071 --> 01:04:19,529 who moved into the studios 1262 01:04:19,529 --> 01:04:21,737 in the late '70s and the early '80s, 1263 01:04:21,737 --> 01:04:25,153 it was clear that what they saw were dollar signs. 1264 01:04:25,153 --> 01:04:27,320 But I wouldn't blame Spielberg for that. 1265 01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,862 Go back to the first review by Pauline Kael. 1266 01:04:29,862 --> 01:04:32,570 She said he was a great popular entertainer, 1267 01:04:32,570 --> 01:04:36,029 that he had a feel for what audiences wanted to see. 1268 01:04:36,029 --> 01:04:38,195 Why should anybody apologize for that? 1269 01:04:38,195 --> 01:04:39,654 Let me get you to react to something 1270 01:04:39,654 --> 01:04:41,946 that one of your peers said, another director. 1271 01:04:41,946 --> 01:04:43,695 "Steven Spielberg can't be compared 1272 01:04:43,695 --> 01:04:46,403 with people like Mike Nichols and Barry Levinson. 1273 01:04:46,403 --> 01:04:48,987 There is a place for mass entertainment, 1274 01:04:48,987 --> 01:04:50,862 but it shouldn't be confused 1275 01:04:50,862 --> 01:04:55,403 with art or quality, award-winning filmmaking." 1276 01:04:55,403 --> 01:04:58,029 Sometimes I think that statements like that 1277 01:04:58,029 --> 01:04:59,987 are pretentious in themselves, 1278 01:04:59,987 --> 01:05:02,570 because it sort of says that, you know, 1279 01:05:02,570 --> 01:05:06,237 art is serious and art can't be-- can't move you. 1280 01:05:06,237 --> 01:05:11,112 Art can't be on a bicycle with E.T. and fly across the moon, 1281 01:05:11,112 --> 01:05:12,821 that that can't be art. 1282 01:05:12,821 --> 01:05:15,320 Scott: If you're making the kinds of movies 1283 01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,779 that make the kinds of money that his movies do, 1284 01:05:17,779 --> 01:05:20,278 and if you're making franchise entertainment 1285 01:05:20,278 --> 01:05:22,946 or just something that appeals to a lot of people 1286 01:05:22,946 --> 01:05:26,112 and is unapologetically mainstream entertainment, 1287 01:05:26,112 --> 01:05:30,403 then there's a little bit of, I think, suspicion. 1288 01:05:30,403 --> 01:05:33,987 You know, how can we take you seriously as an artist? 1289 01:05:33,987 --> 01:05:36,821 Come on, girl, 'cause I'm waiting for you. 1290 01:05:36,821 --> 01:05:38,362 ( chuckles ) 1291 01:05:42,071 --> 01:05:45,153 You cut me and I'll kill you. 1292 01:05:45,153 --> 01:05:49,403 Spielberg: I was looking for a different perception of myself. 1293 01:05:49,403 --> 01:05:51,278 And if I didn't want to consciously 1294 01:05:51,278 --> 01:05:53,445 make a departure and prove something, 1295 01:05:53,445 --> 01:05:55,821 not just to myself but to everyone else, 1296 01:05:55,821 --> 01:05:58,695 I might not have chosen "Color Purple" as my next movie. 1297 01:05:58,695 --> 01:06:01,112 But it was my first really mature film, 1298 01:06:01,112 --> 01:06:05,570 which took on, you know, substantive, humanistic subject matter. 1299 01:06:05,570 --> 01:06:09,695 I was turning 40 and I was looking at life perhaps less optimistically. 1300 01:06:09,695 --> 01:06:12,153 And so, I knew this was gonna be a very sobering journey, 1301 01:06:12,153 --> 01:06:13,987 and I was willing to take it on. 1302 01:06:13,987 --> 01:06:17,029 All my life I had to fight. 1303 01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:21,029 I had to fight my daddy, I had to fight my uncles, 1304 01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:23,612 I had to fight my brothers. 1305 01:06:23,612 --> 01:06:26,612 A girl child ain't safe in a family of mens, 1306 01:06:26,612 --> 01:06:30,695 but I ain't never thought I had to fight in my own house! 1307 01:06:32,153 --> 01:06:34,779 I loves Harpo. 1308 01:06:34,779 --> 01:06:37,821 God knows I do, 1309 01:06:37,821 --> 01:06:42,612 but I'll kill him dead before I let him beat me. 1310 01:06:42,612 --> 01:06:45,821 Oprah Winfrey: For Steven to even take on this material 1311 01:06:45,821 --> 01:06:47,737 was a really big deal, 1312 01:06:47,737 --> 01:06:49,737 because you're messing in some territory 1313 01:06:49,737 --> 01:06:52,821 where if you get it wrong, then you get a lot of people upset. 1314 01:06:52,821 --> 01:06:56,695 He wanted to create not only an African-American worldview, 1315 01:06:56,695 --> 01:06:59,654 but a matriarchal world 1316 01:06:59,654 --> 01:07:04,737 in the presence of patriarchal repression and violence. 1317 01:07:04,737 --> 01:07:07,071 And I truly believe that he wanted 1318 01:07:07,071 --> 01:07:10,278 to stretch himself in a way that he never had before. 1319 01:07:10,278 --> 01:07:12,612 Hoberman: And he does push himself, 1320 01:07:12,612 --> 01:07:15,570 but he's not gonna push himself too far in advance-- 1321 01:07:15,570 --> 01:07:18,862 the audience or maybe his own, 1322 01:07:18,862 --> 01:07:20,862 you know, core inclination. 1323 01:07:20,862 --> 01:07:22,946 He don't ever ask me how I feel. 1324 01:07:22,946 --> 01:07:26,445 Just never asked me nothing about myself. 1325 01:07:26,445 --> 01:07:29,445 Just climb on top of me, do his business. 1326 01:07:29,445 --> 01:07:32,487 "Do his business"? Do his bu-- 1327 01:07:32,487 --> 01:07:34,362 why, Miss Celie, you sound like 1328 01:07:34,362 --> 01:07:38,071 he going to the toilet on you. 1329 01:07:38,071 --> 01:07:39,862 That's what it feel like. 1330 01:07:39,862 --> 01:07:42,112 Spielberg: I got in trouble with several critics 1331 01:07:42,112 --> 01:07:44,320 who didn't like that I shied away 1332 01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,695 from the love story between Shug and Celie. 1333 01:07:46,695 --> 01:07:51,403 And the scene where Shug Avery shows Celie, with a mirror, her vagina, 1334 01:07:51,403 --> 01:07:54,695 that that did not go into the movie, 1335 01:07:54,695 --> 01:07:56,612 which would've really changed 1336 01:07:56,612 --> 01:08:00,821 the entire nature and tone of the film. 1337 01:08:00,821 --> 01:08:04,445 I just didn't go for the full monty the way the book did. 1338 01:08:04,445 --> 01:08:08,737 I might've done that had I made the movie 10 years later. 1339 01:08:08,737 --> 01:08:11,529 I was just timid. I was just a little embarrassed. 1340 01:08:11,529 --> 01:08:13,654 I just wasn't the right guy to do that. 1341 01:08:15,821 --> 01:08:19,362 Kennedy: Steven was telling the story that Alice wrote, 1342 01:08:19,362 --> 01:08:22,487 and he was trying to access that 1343 01:08:22,487 --> 01:08:25,737 from his personal point of view. 1344 01:08:25,737 --> 01:08:29,862 He could never go where Alice went with that book. 1345 01:08:29,862 --> 01:08:32,153 ( music playing ) 1346 01:08:43,654 --> 01:08:47,904 Maslin: That book was appreciated for its grit and its realism, 1347 01:08:47,904 --> 01:08:51,987 and neither of those were qualities that he was known for. 1348 01:08:51,987 --> 01:08:56,362 He was just asking for it by even going anywhere near that. 1349 01:08:56,362 --> 01:08:58,862 Edelstein: Nobody really wanted Steven Spielberg 1350 01:08:58,862 --> 01:09:00,695 to be a gritty filmmaker. 1351 01:09:00,695 --> 01:09:02,529 That wasn't his sensibility. 1352 01:09:02,529 --> 01:09:05,612 But with "The Color Purple," colors are exact, 1353 01:09:05,612 --> 01:09:08,029 the settings have been built from the ground up 1354 01:09:08,029 --> 01:09:10,112 according to his specifications. 1355 01:09:10,112 --> 01:09:15,987 There's something so false and so Disney storyboard-like 1356 01:09:15,987 --> 01:09:17,904 about that movie. 1357 01:09:17,904 --> 01:09:20,195 Geffen: You know, he wanted to make a prettier picture 1358 01:09:20,195 --> 01:09:22,362 than was intended in the text. 1359 01:09:22,362 --> 01:09:23,570 That's Steven. 1360 01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:25,737 He wants to make everything like that. 1361 01:09:25,737 --> 01:09:27,904 He wants to make life like that. 1362 01:09:32,946 --> 01:09:34,403 I have a baby on the way, 1363 01:09:34,403 --> 01:09:37,071 and the child is going to change my life. 1364 01:09:37,071 --> 01:09:40,237 - It already has, in a way. - Shalit: Are you nervous about it or what? 1365 01:09:40,237 --> 01:09:41,821 I'm not nervous about it at all, no. 1366 01:09:41,821 --> 01:09:43,654 I just think it's the best thing 1367 01:09:43,654 --> 01:09:46,362 that's ever happened to me and to Amy. 1368 01:09:46,362 --> 01:09:48,071 We really can't wait for this. 1369 01:09:51,487 --> 01:09:53,737 Spielberg: I think the destiny of Amy and I 1370 01:09:53,737 --> 01:09:55,821 was to bring Max into the world, 1371 01:09:55,821 --> 01:09:59,612 which was such a beautiful thing. 1372 01:09:59,612 --> 01:10:03,946 Before that, I'm not sure I knew what a personal life was. 1373 01:10:03,946 --> 01:10:06,779 I thought life began 1374 01:10:06,779 --> 01:10:10,278 with, you know, "Action!" 1375 01:10:10,278 --> 01:10:11,445 And then, "Cut!" 1376 01:10:13,403 --> 01:10:15,195 After my mom and dad broke up, 1377 01:10:15,195 --> 01:10:17,403 I always thought that I would do my best 1378 01:10:17,403 --> 01:10:19,570 that if I ever decided someday to get married, 1379 01:10:19,570 --> 01:10:21,071 I wouldn't get divorced. 1380 01:10:21,071 --> 01:10:22,612 And then, of course, I did. 1381 01:10:22,612 --> 01:10:24,821 ( music playing ) 1382 01:10:27,821 --> 01:10:31,237 Divorce in any situation is painful. 1383 01:10:31,237 --> 01:10:34,195 And it's especially painful for me 1384 01:10:34,195 --> 01:10:37,612 because I am a child of divorce 1385 01:10:37,612 --> 01:10:39,278 and I know what it felt like. 1386 01:10:39,278 --> 01:10:42,487 And so, you know, I felt terrible for Max, 1387 01:10:42,487 --> 01:10:45,029 that he had to endure that. 1388 01:10:48,487 --> 01:10:50,403 - ( music playing ) - ( people shouting ) 1389 01:10:50,403 --> 01:10:53,987 - Jamie: My plane. - Jamie! Jamie! 1390 01:10:57,821 --> 01:10:58,987 Mom? 1391 01:11:01,112 --> 01:11:02,987 - Mom? - Frank Marshall: "Empire of the Sun" 1392 01:11:02,987 --> 01:11:05,654 was about this young boy growing up in Shanghai 1393 01:11:05,654 --> 01:11:07,654 who gets separated from his parents 1394 01:11:07,654 --> 01:11:09,821 during the Japanese invasion. 1395 01:11:09,821 --> 01:11:11,403 Mommy! 1396 01:11:11,403 --> 01:11:13,570 - Jamie! - Mommy! 1397 01:11:13,570 --> 01:11:16,862 And he goes through a tremendous transformation 1398 01:11:16,862 --> 01:11:20,320 and growing-up process. 1399 01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,821 Spielberg: It was playing on what I knew were my strengths, 1400 01:11:22,821 --> 01:11:26,403 being able to take the dark, grim reality of war 1401 01:11:26,403 --> 01:11:28,570 and put it with a child's approach 1402 01:11:28,570 --> 01:11:31,821 in the way this particular special child saw that war. 1403 01:11:31,821 --> 01:11:34,071 ( crowd clamoring ) 1404 01:11:40,237 --> 01:11:41,946 Spielberg: It was based on the experiences 1405 01:11:41,946 --> 01:11:43,320 that J.G. Ballard had 1406 01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,862 in a Japanese internment camp. 1407 01:11:49,029 --> 01:11:51,862 Jim was a lost boy trying to figure out 1408 01:11:51,862 --> 01:11:53,862 where he belongs in this world. 1409 01:11:56,029 --> 01:11:58,445 It's a movie about growing up too quickly 1410 01:11:58,445 --> 01:12:01,278 and abandoning everything that you once used 1411 01:12:01,278 --> 01:12:02,904 to keep yourself safe. 1412 01:12:06,570 --> 01:12:09,320 When you have nothing to keep yourself safe, 1413 01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,403 you become a survivor like all the rest, 1414 01:12:11,403 --> 01:12:13,278 and you grow up awfully quickly. 1415 01:12:14,946 --> 01:12:16,654 Christian Bale: It's an extraordinary story 1416 01:12:16,654 --> 01:12:19,071 of the resilience of children, 1417 01:12:19,071 --> 01:12:21,112 this incredible survivor 1418 01:12:21,112 --> 01:12:23,821 who manages to have more fortitude to him 1419 01:12:23,821 --> 01:12:27,779 than, really, any of the adults around him. 1420 01:12:32,821 --> 01:12:36,695 Scorsese: It's in the great tradition of epic filmmaking. 1421 01:12:36,695 --> 01:12:40,362 That sports stadium at the end when all the goods, 1422 01:12:40,362 --> 01:12:42,570 all the stuff that had been stolen is there, 1423 01:12:42,570 --> 01:12:45,278 the surrealism of that 1424 01:12:45,278 --> 01:12:50,278 and what it makes you feel at that time and place, 1425 01:12:50,278 --> 01:12:51,654 the sense of what the world was like, 1426 01:12:51,654 --> 01:12:55,153 how it had fallen apart, all of civilization. 1427 01:12:55,153 --> 01:12:57,403 ( music playing ) 1428 01:13:11,695 --> 01:13:16,237 Scorsese: And then, something even more disturbingly beautiful, 1429 01:13:16,237 --> 01:13:19,320 and that is the glow from the atom bomb. 1430 01:13:24,195 --> 01:13:27,654 It's like a soul transcending into another life. 1431 01:13:29,071 --> 01:13:31,737 Mrs. Victor. 1432 01:13:31,737 --> 01:13:37,195 This is very poetic and... mystical. 1433 01:13:40,237 --> 01:13:43,654 - ( man speaks Japanese ) - ( boy singing in Welsh ) 1434 01:13:47,654 --> 01:13:49,320 Stoppard: This was war 1435 01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:53,570 and it was death and real horror. 1436 01:13:53,570 --> 01:13:55,987 And it was like an end of innocence 1437 01:13:55,987 --> 01:13:58,320 for the Spielberg child. 1438 01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,612 ( children's choir singing in Welsh ) 1439 01:14:00,612 --> 01:14:03,153 Stoppard: I think it was a truly great film, 1440 01:14:03,153 --> 01:14:05,487 but, for me, it ultimately shaded 1441 01:14:05,487 --> 01:14:10,737 into an unnecessary softness or sentimentality. 1442 01:14:10,737 --> 01:14:12,612 I don't know where it comes from, 1443 01:14:12,612 --> 01:14:15,612 but he likes and enjoys sentiment. 1444 01:14:15,612 --> 01:14:17,029 It's part of him. 1445 01:14:26,654 --> 01:14:29,195 Scott: At the time, he was not dismissed, exactly, 1446 01:14:29,195 --> 01:14:31,821 by a lot of critics, but sort of looked at a little skeptically. 1447 01:14:31,821 --> 01:14:33,195 "Oh, he wants to be serious now. 1448 01:14:33,195 --> 01:14:34,862 Oh, he's trying to make serious movies. 1449 01:14:34,862 --> 01:14:37,153 Oh, now he wants it"-- which, I mean-- 1450 01:14:37,153 --> 01:14:40,737 it's such a kind of nasty thing 1451 01:14:40,737 --> 01:14:42,362 to say about any artist. 1452 01:14:42,362 --> 01:14:44,779 Kennedy: It definitely hurt his feelings. 1453 01:14:44,779 --> 01:14:46,403 I don't think anybody as an artist 1454 01:14:46,403 --> 01:14:49,029 wants to feel like they're being pigeonholed 1455 01:14:49,029 --> 01:14:52,904 in a way that other people are determining who they are. 1456 01:14:52,904 --> 01:14:55,320 And when Steven began to explore 1457 01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,779 other kinds of more serious stories, 1458 01:14:57,779 --> 01:15:00,654 they were very reluctant to let him do that. 1459 01:15:00,654 --> 01:15:03,195 That was like, "How dare you, Steven Spielberg? 1460 01:15:03,195 --> 01:15:05,737 We've determined that you make these kind of movies, 1461 01:15:05,737 --> 01:15:08,779 so why are you suddenly trying to make this?" 1462 01:15:08,779 --> 01:15:10,946 He doesn't over-intellectualize, 1463 01:15:10,946 --> 01:15:15,071 but maybe as a filmmaker, Steven was using those movies 1464 01:15:15,071 --> 01:15:17,612 as stepping stones along the way. 1465 01:15:17,612 --> 01:15:20,153 He didn't know where he was headed, 1466 01:15:20,153 --> 01:15:23,570 but I think he was exercising those muscles, in a way, 1467 01:15:23,570 --> 01:15:26,362 to recognize he could go there, 1468 01:15:26,362 --> 01:15:28,362 that it was okay. 1469 01:15:30,904 --> 01:15:33,153 ( man singing in Hebrew ) 1470 01:15:40,946 --> 01:15:43,821 Spielberg: My very first memory-- I was in a stroller. 1471 01:15:43,821 --> 01:15:45,529 I just remember being wheeled somewhere, 1472 01:15:45,529 --> 01:15:49,029 and my grandmother and grandfather were with me. 1473 01:15:49,029 --> 01:15:51,612 ( singing continues ) 1474 01:15:51,612 --> 01:15:55,112 We went into this underground space. 1475 01:15:55,112 --> 01:15:58,654 There was a red light over a set of doors. 1476 01:16:01,654 --> 01:16:03,529 And I just remember getting closer and closer 1477 01:16:03,529 --> 01:16:06,237 to this red light where all these old men-- 1478 01:16:06,237 --> 01:16:10,987 just men were all chanting something. 1479 01:16:10,987 --> 01:16:14,029 And the red light was the Eternal Light, the Ner Tamid, 1480 01:16:14,029 --> 01:16:16,862 and that's my very first memory. 1481 01:16:19,695 --> 01:16:22,904 - Lacy: Do you believe in God? - Yes. 1482 01:16:22,904 --> 01:16:24,987 Tell me about that. Where where does...? 1483 01:16:24,987 --> 01:16:27,362 It comes from my-- 1484 01:16:27,362 --> 01:16:31,029 you know, my spiritual-- not even spiritual, 1485 01:16:31,029 --> 01:16:33,946 my religious roots and family. 1486 01:16:37,195 --> 01:16:40,904 All my grandparents had a very strong influence over me. 1487 01:16:40,904 --> 01:16:43,278 My grandfather, Fievel, played guitar 1488 01:16:43,278 --> 01:16:45,570 and he sang all Yiddish Russian songs. 1489 01:16:45,570 --> 01:16:47,487 And my grandmother, Jennie, 1490 01:16:47,487 --> 01:16:50,445 taught English to Hungarian Holocaust survivors. 1491 01:16:54,821 --> 01:16:57,904 We were Orthodox. I was raised Orthodox. 1492 01:16:57,904 --> 01:17:00,987 And tradition has been a huge part of my family, 1493 01:17:00,987 --> 01:17:02,946 and religious studies, and Hebrew school, 1494 01:17:02,946 --> 01:17:07,153 and bar mitzvahs, and bat mitzvahs for my sisters. 1495 01:17:07,153 --> 01:17:10,195 But we always lived in neighborhoods where there were no Jews. 1496 01:17:10,195 --> 01:17:13,904 And there was a real cultural divide in those days 1497 01:17:13,904 --> 01:17:16,153 between Jewish people and Gentiles, 1498 01:17:16,153 --> 01:17:18,320 a real cultural divide. 1499 01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:19,946 Adler: I remember that at one point, 1500 01:17:19,946 --> 01:17:23,529 kids were standing outside and chanting 1501 01:17:23,529 --> 01:17:25,946 "the Spielbergs are dirty Jews." 1502 01:17:25,946 --> 01:17:29,237 Spielberg: I certainly experienced being excluded 1503 01:17:29,237 --> 01:17:32,362 and being picked on and discriminated against. 1504 01:17:32,362 --> 01:17:34,195 All I wanted to do was fit in. 1505 01:17:34,195 --> 01:17:37,862 And by being Jewish, there was no way I could fit into anything. 1506 01:17:37,862 --> 01:17:40,529 My grandfather would come over to spend a week with us, 1507 01:17:40,529 --> 01:17:43,237 and I'd be playing in the front yard seven houses down, 1508 01:17:43,237 --> 01:17:45,071 and my grandfather would stand on our front porch 1509 01:17:45,071 --> 01:17:47,278 and yell my Hebrew name, "Shmuel!" 1510 01:17:47,278 --> 01:17:49,320 As loud as he could, "Shmuel!" 1511 01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:53,445 And all my friends would say, "Is he talking to you? That's your house." 1512 01:17:53,445 --> 01:17:56,112 And I immediately denied that that was me. 1513 01:17:56,112 --> 01:17:58,946 "No, he must be calling somebody else." 1514 01:17:58,946 --> 01:18:00,779 "Is your name Shmuel?" 1515 01:18:00,779 --> 01:18:02,320 And all my friends started laughing. 1516 01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,029 "Shmuel? What's Shmuel?" 1517 01:18:04,029 --> 01:18:05,320 And meanwhile, in the background, 1518 01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,112 you can hear my grandfather yelling 1519 01:18:07,112 --> 01:18:09,445 with a Russian accent, "Shmuel!" 1520 01:18:09,445 --> 01:18:11,320 Anne: Steve did not want to be Jewish. 1521 01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,362 He didn't want to be Jewish because it made us 1522 01:18:13,362 --> 01:18:15,071 too different from everybody. 1523 01:18:15,071 --> 01:18:17,821 And the "Father Knows Best" family 1524 01:18:17,821 --> 01:18:20,029 is an assimilated family. 1525 01:18:20,029 --> 01:18:22,654 And I think he really yearned for that. 1526 01:18:22,654 --> 01:18:27,445 I began to deny my Jewishness, 1527 01:18:27,445 --> 01:18:29,570 you know, began to deny 1528 01:18:29,570 --> 01:18:32,278 everything that I had accepted as a child 1529 01:18:32,278 --> 01:18:33,821 and was not willing to accept 1530 01:18:33,821 --> 01:18:36,278 if it was going to make me a pariah. 1531 01:18:36,278 --> 01:18:38,029 I was ashamed of myself. 1532 01:18:38,029 --> 01:18:41,237 I still feel ashamed of myself 1533 01:18:41,237 --> 01:18:45,946 even remembering that long stretch of my life 1534 01:18:45,946 --> 01:18:49,445 where I didn't want to be Jewish anymore. 1535 01:18:53,445 --> 01:18:55,403 When I first met Kate, 1536 01:18:55,403 --> 01:18:57,779 something that only happens in the movies 1537 01:18:57,779 --> 01:18:59,071 happened to me. 1538 01:18:59,071 --> 01:19:04,153 It's a terrible cliché, but bells began ringing. 1539 01:19:04,153 --> 01:19:07,153 It was love at first sight. It really was. 1540 01:19:07,153 --> 01:19:08,821 There was something that was 1541 01:19:08,821 --> 01:19:11,403 so both self-assured about Katie 1542 01:19:11,403 --> 01:19:13,737 and reassuring for me. 1543 01:19:13,737 --> 01:19:16,487 There was a kind of in-syncness. 1544 01:19:16,487 --> 01:19:18,570 We could talk about anything, 1545 01:19:18,570 --> 01:19:20,821 and I couldn't get her off my mind. 1546 01:19:20,821 --> 01:19:23,112 ( choir singing in Hebrew ) 1547 01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,362 Spielberg: Kate came into my world, in my life, 1548 01:19:33,362 --> 01:19:35,654 with a deep fascination with the traditions 1549 01:19:35,654 --> 01:19:38,029 and the depth of the history of Judaism. 1550 01:19:38,029 --> 01:19:40,654 And she really wanted to marry me as a Jew. 1551 01:19:40,654 --> 01:19:43,904 So, she converted to Judaism just before we got married. 1552 01:19:43,904 --> 01:19:46,362 Sue: She said she always felt like she was coming home. 1553 01:19:46,362 --> 01:19:48,862 She always felt this was where she was meant to be. 1554 01:19:48,862 --> 01:19:51,570 And so, as she studied Judaism and got into it, 1555 01:19:51,570 --> 01:19:54,737 it brought Steve back around to appreciating it. 1556 01:19:54,737 --> 01:19:56,779 Parkes: Kate brought something to Steven 1557 01:19:56,779 --> 01:20:00,029 that I don't think Steven believed he could ever have. 1558 01:20:00,029 --> 01:20:03,821 She is so dedicated to the idea of family 1559 01:20:03,821 --> 01:20:07,071 in its, you know, purest essence 1560 01:20:07,071 --> 01:20:09,946 that not only did it bring him, 1561 01:20:09,946 --> 01:20:12,695 I think, a happiness he never thought he'd have, 1562 01:20:12,695 --> 01:20:15,362 but I suspect it contributed 1563 01:20:15,362 --> 01:20:17,487 to his growth as an artist. 1564 01:20:24,904 --> 01:20:29,403 ( train whistle blaring ) 1565 01:20:29,403 --> 01:20:31,779 Spielberg: In 1982, Sid Sheinberg gave me the book 1566 01:20:31,779 --> 01:20:33,695 of "Schindler's List" to read. 1567 01:20:33,695 --> 01:20:36,445 He felt it was my destiny to make this movie. 1568 01:20:36,445 --> 01:20:38,237 He was tenacious about getting me 1569 01:20:38,237 --> 01:20:40,862 to pay attention to it, not to give up on it. 1570 01:20:40,862 --> 01:20:44,654 I think he was intimidated 1571 01:20:44,654 --> 01:20:47,904 by the thought of making it. 1572 01:20:47,904 --> 01:20:50,570 Anne: He had the book for over 10 years 1573 01:20:50,570 --> 01:20:52,737 before he was ready to do it. 1574 01:20:52,737 --> 01:20:55,112 And he just said, "I'll know when it's time." 1575 01:20:55,112 --> 01:20:56,529 You know, if anybody pushed him on it, 1576 01:20:56,529 --> 01:20:57,987 "I'll know when it's time." 1577 01:20:57,987 --> 01:20:59,695 - ( people clamoring ) - ( dog barking ) 1578 01:20:59,695 --> 01:21:01,237 Anne: And then the time came. 1579 01:21:07,112 --> 01:21:11,987 Liam Neeson: On my first day, we were outside the gates of Auschwitz. 1580 01:21:11,987 --> 01:21:16,112 5:30 in the morning, bitterly, bitterly cold. 1581 01:21:16,112 --> 01:21:18,487 And hundreds of extras 1582 01:21:18,487 --> 01:21:21,612 dressed up in those horrible striped pajamas 1583 01:21:21,612 --> 01:21:23,570 and German guards 1584 01:21:23,570 --> 01:21:27,278 and real Alsatian dogs, real nasty dogs. 1585 01:21:27,278 --> 01:21:30,278 - ( dogs barking ) - ( all screaming ) 1586 01:21:31,487 --> 01:21:33,612 No! No! 1587 01:21:33,612 --> 01:21:36,529 Spielberg: Nothing could prepare me for my first visit to Auschwitz. 1588 01:21:36,529 --> 01:21:38,112 Nothing prepared me for that. 1589 01:21:40,529 --> 01:21:43,278 I wanted to shoot where the story actually took place, 1590 01:21:43,278 --> 01:21:46,612 all the actual locations, 1591 01:21:46,612 --> 01:21:48,612 but I realized at that point when I went to Poland 1592 01:21:48,612 --> 01:21:51,237 for the first time that I was playing with fire. 1593 01:21:51,237 --> 01:21:52,695 That's horrible. 1594 01:21:52,695 --> 01:21:55,278 He was like someone whose skin had been torn off. 1595 01:21:55,278 --> 01:21:57,570 He was just so vulnerable, 1596 01:21:57,570 --> 01:21:59,904 pacing up and down all the time. 1597 01:21:59,904 --> 01:22:01,529 I could tell how important 1598 01:22:01,529 --> 01:22:04,403 this subject matter and this film was to him. 1599 01:22:04,403 --> 01:22:06,529 - ( music playing ) - ( chatter ) 1600 01:22:13,570 --> 01:22:17,570 Neeson: He was telling a story of his family, his tribe, 1601 01:22:17,570 --> 01:22:22,153 so I was aware of the weight of the subject matter. 1602 01:22:22,153 --> 01:22:24,570 Spielberg: I said to the crew, "This isn't a documentary, 1603 01:22:24,570 --> 01:22:28,403 but we are documenting things that actually took place 1604 01:22:28,403 --> 01:22:30,362 in the place that you're standing right now." 1605 01:22:30,362 --> 01:22:35,112 And I said also, you know, "Those of us who are Jewish, 1606 01:22:35,112 --> 01:22:38,695 you know, would never have been able to stand here, 1607 01:22:38,695 --> 01:22:41,821 you know, in 1943." 1608 01:22:45,862 --> 01:22:48,362 Spielberg: I knew this couldn't be just another movie 1609 01:22:48,362 --> 01:22:52,153 and it couldn't be anything like anything I had ever directed before. 1610 01:22:52,153 --> 01:22:53,779 I had to approach the material 1611 01:22:53,779 --> 01:22:55,862 and I had to approach the location 1612 01:22:55,862 --> 01:22:58,362 with a great deal of reverence, 1613 01:22:58,362 --> 01:23:03,362 and I had to make this a very quiet, quiet production. 1614 01:23:03,362 --> 01:23:06,029 We were shooting on hallowed, sacred ground. 1615 01:23:08,904 --> 01:23:10,487 Everywhere we shot in Kraków 1616 01:23:10,487 --> 01:23:12,737 felt like we were shooting in a cemetery. 1617 01:23:12,737 --> 01:23:16,403 And it changed my entire approach to cinema. 1618 01:23:16,403 --> 01:23:17,779 I-- that film looks different 1619 01:23:17,779 --> 01:23:20,071 than anything I had ever done before that. 1620 01:23:20,071 --> 01:23:23,862 I tried to do it with no fancy tricks, no fancy lenses, 1621 01:23:23,862 --> 01:23:26,237 no big Hollywood sweeping cranes. 1622 01:23:26,237 --> 01:23:28,320 I tried to take all the tools 1623 01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,654 with which I made so many of my films 1624 01:23:30,654 --> 01:23:32,529 and just chuck them out the window. 1625 01:23:32,529 --> 01:23:35,237 I never handheld anything, but I wanted to handhold 1626 01:23:35,237 --> 01:23:37,195 as much of "Schindler's List" as I possibly could. 1627 01:23:37,195 --> 01:23:39,695 I just wanted to create for all of us 1628 01:23:39,695 --> 01:23:43,237 the feeling that we were absolutely there at the time. 1629 01:23:43,237 --> 01:23:45,237 Goodbye Jews! 1630 01:23:45,237 --> 01:23:48,403 Goodbye Jews! Goodbye Jews! 1631 01:23:48,403 --> 01:23:51,570 - I'm just wondering is the synagogue... - ( coughing ) 1632 01:23:51,570 --> 01:23:52,779 ...a good background, 1633 01:23:52,779 --> 01:23:54,237 or is the park a good background, 1634 01:23:54,237 --> 01:23:56,445 because this is kind of interesting here. 1635 01:23:56,445 --> 01:23:58,946 Ralph Fiennes: Steven said, "I feel like I'm directing my first movie. 1636 01:23:58,946 --> 01:24:00,529 I'm not storyboarding anything." 1637 01:24:00,529 --> 01:24:01,946 And I think that gave him an adrenaline 1638 01:24:01,946 --> 01:24:03,487 or something that we all felt. 1639 01:24:03,487 --> 01:24:05,403 A fire, an alertness. 1640 01:24:05,403 --> 01:24:09,237 I've never felt the same level of energy and focus. 1641 01:24:09,237 --> 01:24:11,779 He seems to breathe cinema. 1642 01:24:11,779 --> 01:24:14,529 I wouldn't say he's an intellectual director. 1643 01:24:14,529 --> 01:24:17,821 I think he feels things intuitively and emotionally. 1644 01:24:17,821 --> 01:24:19,278 ...and coverage up like that. 1645 01:24:19,278 --> 01:24:21,946 He was kind of like an abstract painter 1646 01:24:21,946 --> 01:24:25,237 who has his canvass 1647 01:24:25,237 --> 01:24:28,779 and has a palette of extraordinary colors 1648 01:24:28,779 --> 01:24:30,695 but just doesn't know what color 1649 01:24:30,695 --> 01:24:33,612 to put on that screen first. 1650 01:24:33,612 --> 01:24:36,029 But once he's committed to that color, 1651 01:24:36,029 --> 01:24:38,987 he was just firing on all cylinders. 1652 01:24:38,987 --> 01:24:41,612 And there was literally times he was running, 1653 01:24:41,612 --> 01:24:43,362 physically running, with that camera 1654 01:24:43,362 --> 01:24:45,779 because a lot of the stuff, he shot himself. 1655 01:24:45,779 --> 01:24:47,029 Handheld camera. 1656 01:24:47,029 --> 01:24:48,654 He'd be running up and down, 1657 01:24:48,654 --> 01:24:50,987 saying, "Come on, come with me, quick," 1658 01:24:50,987 --> 01:24:52,904 as the idea was forming in his head. 1659 01:24:52,904 --> 01:24:55,403 And we'd all be running after him, "What? What?" 1660 01:24:55,403 --> 01:24:58,029 He'd be inspired. He saw something. 1661 01:24:58,029 --> 01:25:00,195 - ( whistle trilling ) - ( people shouting ) 1662 01:25:06,821 --> 01:25:10,195 ( speaking German ) 1663 01:25:10,195 --> 01:25:13,320 Sir Ben Kingsley: We were all struggling with the incomprehensible 1664 01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,737 as characters and as actors. 1665 01:25:16,737 --> 01:25:20,612 But we put one foot in front of the other in our mandate 1666 01:25:20,612 --> 01:25:23,821 to, as Elie Wiesel says, tell stories. 1667 01:25:23,821 --> 01:25:26,362 - ( woman screams ) - ( all yelling ) 1668 01:25:26,362 --> 01:25:28,112 Kingsley: We took on the mantle 1669 01:25:28,112 --> 01:25:30,987 of actor-warriors, if you like. 1670 01:25:30,987 --> 01:25:34,904 Because if you soften anything with sentiment, 1671 01:25:34,904 --> 01:25:38,112 you lessen the blow that the audience have got to feel 1672 01:25:38,112 --> 01:25:39,862 and got to reel under. 1673 01:25:39,862 --> 01:25:41,320 ( shouting in German ) 1674 01:25:46,112 --> 01:25:49,737 ( soldiers shouting in German ) 1675 01:25:49,737 --> 01:25:52,570 - ( whistle trills ) - ( speaking German ) 1676 01:25:52,570 --> 01:25:55,029 Kingsley: In the liquidation of the ghetto scene, 1677 01:25:55,029 --> 01:25:56,695 I knew I had to serve the story. 1678 01:25:56,695 --> 01:26:00,112 I remembered my lines, but I was in deep shock. 1679 01:26:00,112 --> 01:26:01,904 - No acting. - ( shouting ) 1680 01:26:01,904 --> 01:26:04,779 - ( gunshot ) - ( woman wailing ) 1681 01:26:06,278 --> 01:26:07,904 ( whistle trilling ) 1682 01:26:07,904 --> 01:26:10,403 Kingsley: The beautifully orchestrated chaos 1683 01:26:10,403 --> 01:26:12,904 was unrepeatable or unforgettable. 1684 01:26:12,904 --> 01:26:15,529 - ( music playing ) - ( chatter ) 1685 01:26:20,362 --> 01:26:24,570 Neeson: Oskar Schindler was a gregarious man. 1686 01:26:24,570 --> 01:26:27,029 He was a second-rate businessman. 1687 01:26:27,029 --> 01:26:29,987 Bit of a shady character, you know? 1688 01:26:29,987 --> 01:26:34,612 A man about town, loved the women, loved his booze. 1689 01:26:34,612 --> 01:26:38,237 A bon vivant, that's what he was. 1690 01:26:38,237 --> 01:26:40,237 And he did this extraordinary thing. 1691 01:26:40,237 --> 01:26:44,529 He saved over 1,100 Jewish lives. 1692 01:26:44,529 --> 01:26:47,570 Spielberg: There was something indescribably mysterious 1693 01:26:47,570 --> 01:26:49,112 about this character. 1694 01:26:49,112 --> 01:26:51,779 It was impossible to really understand 1695 01:26:51,779 --> 01:26:53,946 why he did what he did. 1696 01:26:53,946 --> 01:26:56,445 But we decided just to let the audience 1697 01:26:56,445 --> 01:26:59,278 work that out for themselves. 1698 01:26:59,278 --> 01:27:01,112 Neeson: I was a smoker at the time. 1699 01:27:01,112 --> 01:27:03,654 Steve was not a smoker, but in the close-ups, 1700 01:27:03,654 --> 01:27:05,487 he would start to tell me how to smoke. 1701 01:27:05,487 --> 01:27:08,946 He'd say, "Okay, you're looking at the table. 1702 01:27:08,946 --> 01:27:12,821 You see three of these high-ranking Nazi guys. 1703 01:27:12,821 --> 01:27:14,612 Take a drag of your cigarette." 1704 01:27:14,612 --> 01:27:18,612 ( smacks lips, blows ) "No, no. Do it again. 1705 01:27:18,612 --> 01:27:21,071 Keep your fingers there. Take a drag. 1706 01:27:21,071 --> 01:27:24,779 Let the smoke curl up your face. 1707 01:27:24,779 --> 01:27:27,612 Do it again. 1708 01:27:27,612 --> 01:27:29,987 Okay, now take your hand away very, very slowly." 1709 01:27:29,987 --> 01:27:32,612 So, he was basically telling me how to breathe. 1710 01:27:32,612 --> 01:27:34,904 I remember sharing it with Ben Kingsley 1711 01:27:34,904 --> 01:27:36,779 later on that night or the next day. 1712 01:27:36,779 --> 01:27:40,278 I said, "Ben, I just-- if every scene's gonna be like that, 1713 01:27:40,278 --> 01:27:42,570 I'm a fucking puppet, you know? 1714 01:27:42,570 --> 01:27:44,071 I don't want to be a puppet. 1715 01:27:44,071 --> 01:27:45,529 I'm 41 years of age." 1716 01:27:45,529 --> 01:27:47,362 And I remember Ben so well. 1717 01:27:47,362 --> 01:27:49,946 He said, "A great conductor... 1718 01:27:51,487 --> 01:27:54,529 needs a good soloist. 1719 01:27:54,529 --> 01:27:56,153 So just trust that. 1720 01:27:56,153 --> 01:27:57,654 Just go into his direction. 1721 01:27:57,654 --> 01:27:59,612 Don't fight against it. Just go into it." 1722 01:27:59,612 --> 01:28:00,987 And that's what I did. 1723 01:28:00,987 --> 01:28:04,320 I just opened myself for Steven, you know? 1724 01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:05,779 Oskar: My father was fond of saying, 1725 01:28:05,779 --> 01:28:07,987 "You need three things in life-- 1726 01:28:07,987 --> 01:28:12,529 a good doctor, a forgiving priest, 1727 01:28:12,529 --> 01:28:14,487 and a clever accountant." 1728 01:28:18,779 --> 01:28:20,821 The first two... ( chuckles ) 1729 01:28:20,821 --> 01:28:22,529 I've never had much use for. 1730 01:28:22,529 --> 01:28:26,445 But the third? 1731 01:28:26,445 --> 01:28:28,487 Spielberg: Itzhak Stern was the character 1732 01:28:28,487 --> 01:28:31,737 that I was closest to in my understanding of him. 1733 01:28:31,737 --> 01:28:34,529 Just pretend, for Christ's sake. 1734 01:28:34,529 --> 01:28:38,029 And I said to Ben, "You're the conscience of Oskar Schindler. 1735 01:28:38,029 --> 01:28:40,403 You're also my window 1736 01:28:40,403 --> 01:28:42,821 into my insight into Oskar Schindler." 1737 01:28:42,821 --> 01:28:44,737 I'm trying to thank you. 1738 01:28:46,737 --> 01:28:49,779 I'm saying I couldn't have done this without you. 1739 01:28:49,779 --> 01:28:52,737 Spielberg: Anything I can glean from Schindler himself, 1740 01:28:52,737 --> 01:28:55,403 I think a lot of it is gonna come from how you look at him. 1741 01:28:58,654 --> 01:29:00,237 You're welcome. 1742 01:29:00,237 --> 01:29:01,904 Kingsley: There are very, very few directors 1743 01:29:01,904 --> 01:29:04,987 who respect stillness as much as Steven. 1744 01:29:04,987 --> 01:29:07,737 He's gonna catch every single gesture 1745 01:29:07,737 --> 01:29:11,029 you offer to the camera, and he's going to use it. 1746 01:29:11,029 --> 01:29:16,153 His intuition for something real and present is very, very strong. 1747 01:29:16,153 --> 01:29:19,320 He wanted to avoid clichés about Nazis, 1748 01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:22,779 and, in terms of performance, I understood it on my first day. 1749 01:29:22,779 --> 01:29:26,195 You know, the thing about Amon having a cough-- "Ahem, excuse me," 1750 01:29:26,195 --> 01:29:29,779 and giving him sort of banal human failings, touches like that. 1751 01:29:29,779 --> 01:29:31,821 Man: Do you have any questions, sir? 1752 01:29:31,821 --> 01:29:35,695 Yeah, why is the top down? I'm fucking freezing. 1753 01:29:35,695 --> 01:29:37,654 There were ways in which, through performance and filming, 1754 01:29:37,654 --> 01:29:40,112 you can amp up and signal "bad guy." 1755 01:29:40,112 --> 01:29:42,237 And I think he wanted, quite rightly, 1756 01:29:42,237 --> 01:29:44,112 to say, "No, man doing job. 1757 01:29:44,112 --> 01:29:47,029 - You decide what you think." - I have an idea. 1758 01:29:47,029 --> 01:29:48,946 How about just lighting their mouths, nothing else? 1759 01:29:48,946 --> 01:29:51,112 I was just going-- you know-- 1760 01:29:51,112 --> 01:29:53,695 no, him, I want to light just from the top, you know, 1761 01:29:53,695 --> 01:29:55,862 so we get some shadows here, just like... 1762 01:29:55,862 --> 01:29:59,029 Okay, I just want to make sure we're not being too on the nose 1763 01:29:59,029 --> 01:30:02,737 with the-- you know, the badness of the character 1764 01:30:02,737 --> 01:30:04,946 by having a straight-down light. 1765 01:30:04,946 --> 01:30:07,237 Spielberg: Everything we do in this medium is about light and shadow, 1766 01:30:07,237 --> 01:30:10,153 how the cinematographer lights the actors, lights the set. 1767 01:30:10,153 --> 01:30:11,987 If you look at "Schindler's List," 1768 01:30:11,987 --> 01:30:14,487 Amon Goeth was always lit beautifully. 1769 01:30:14,487 --> 01:30:16,821 He always had that beautiful front light. 1770 01:30:16,821 --> 01:30:18,362 You know, the guy was very clear. 1771 01:30:18,362 --> 01:30:19,779 There was no mystery in him. 1772 01:30:19,779 --> 01:30:21,487 You don't have to enhance his evilness, 1773 01:30:21,487 --> 01:30:23,654 if you may say, by lighting. 1774 01:30:23,654 --> 01:30:25,570 Now, if you look at Oskar Schindler, 1775 01:30:25,570 --> 01:30:27,153 that was a confused individual. 1776 01:30:27,153 --> 01:30:29,153 He came to Poland to make money, 1777 01:30:29,153 --> 01:30:32,278 so it's always glamorous, but always shadowy. 1778 01:30:32,278 --> 01:30:35,654 And then as the movie's progressing, he gets more frontal light. 1779 01:30:35,654 --> 01:30:36,987 The shadows disappear. 1780 01:30:36,987 --> 01:30:38,987 They say you are good. 1781 01:30:38,987 --> 01:30:41,695 Kaminski: Because he's learning who he is. 1782 01:30:41,695 --> 01:30:44,612 ( man speaking German over PA ) 1783 01:30:47,237 --> 01:30:49,612 - ( distant shouting ) - ( gunshot ) 1784 01:30:53,362 --> 01:30:56,362 ( children's choir singing in Yiddish ) 1785 01:31:04,445 --> 01:31:07,320 Neeson: The little girl in red actually happened. 1786 01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:11,403 Schindler on horseback watching these people being rounded up. 1787 01:31:11,403 --> 01:31:13,487 ( gunfire ) 1788 01:31:13,487 --> 01:31:18,529 Neeson: He did spot this little girl in a red coat. 1789 01:31:18,529 --> 01:31:20,695 Of all the carnage that's happening, 1790 01:31:20,695 --> 01:31:22,821 he can't take his eyes off this little girl 1791 01:31:22,821 --> 01:31:24,445 meandering down the street. 1792 01:31:24,445 --> 01:31:25,862 He couldn't take his eyes off of her 1793 01:31:25,862 --> 01:31:28,237 and wonder why is she not being taken 1794 01:31:28,237 --> 01:31:30,195 along with everybody else. 1795 01:31:30,195 --> 01:31:32,654 And, of course, the answer was, "Well, she will be taken. 1796 01:31:32,654 --> 01:31:34,195 May not be in the next few minutes, 1797 01:31:34,195 --> 01:31:36,570 but she's not going to survive." 1798 01:31:39,904 --> 01:31:41,362 ( man shouts in German ) 1799 01:31:43,071 --> 01:31:45,071 Spielberg: During the liquidation of the ghetto, 1800 01:31:45,071 --> 01:31:47,112 when they were taking people and putting them in trucks 1801 01:31:47,112 --> 01:31:48,904 and shooting old people in the streets, 1802 01:31:48,904 --> 01:31:50,862 they were leaving her alone. 1803 01:31:50,862 --> 01:31:53,403 Somehow, the most obvious target 1804 01:31:53,403 --> 01:31:55,071 was not being apprehended. 1805 01:31:55,071 --> 01:31:58,029 And, to me, it was less about what turned Oskar Schindler, 1806 01:31:58,029 --> 01:32:01,737 and it was more that the world turned a blind eye on the Holocaust 1807 01:32:01,737 --> 01:32:05,237 and the industrialized process of wholesale murder. 1808 01:32:05,237 --> 01:32:07,071 Amon: Can you believe this? 1809 01:32:07,071 --> 01:32:10,654 As if I don't have enough to do, they come up with this? 1810 01:32:10,654 --> 01:32:14,946 I have to find every rag buried up here and burn it. 1811 01:32:14,946 --> 01:32:17,112 ( sighs ) The party's over, Oskar. 1812 01:32:17,112 --> 01:32:19,570 They're closing us down, sending everybody to Auschwitz. 1813 01:32:19,570 --> 01:32:20,779 - When? - I don't know. 1814 01:32:20,779 --> 01:32:22,153 As soon as I can arrange the shipments. 1815 01:32:22,153 --> 01:32:26,195 Maybe 30, 40 days. That ought to be fun. 1816 01:32:26,195 --> 01:32:28,862 ( man shouting in German ) 1817 01:32:28,862 --> 01:32:30,403 Spielberg: So, that little girl in red, 1818 01:32:30,403 --> 01:32:32,821 for me, symbolizes the Holocaust 1819 01:32:32,821 --> 01:32:35,529 and all of its monstrous evil, 1820 01:32:35,529 --> 01:32:38,237 and no one did anything about it when they could have. 1821 01:32:41,821 --> 01:32:46,112 Michael Kahn: I remember I put together a scene, very hard, emotionally. 1822 01:32:46,112 --> 01:32:49,112 And Steven comes in that night. 1823 01:32:49,112 --> 01:32:52,612 We went out to where he was staying 1824 01:32:52,612 --> 01:32:54,695 and I start running the scene. 1825 01:32:54,695 --> 01:32:58,071 And he looks at it. "Hold on, Mike. I can't do it." 1826 01:32:58,071 --> 01:33:01,112 He's like-- he went like, "I can't do it. 1827 01:33:01,112 --> 01:33:03,654 It's too tough." And he left. 1828 01:33:03,654 --> 01:33:06,071 Spielberg: I just remember getting home and just falling apart. 1829 01:33:06,071 --> 01:33:08,570 And Kate was on the set with me a lot. 1830 01:33:08,570 --> 01:33:11,029 We would cry together many, many times. 1831 01:33:11,029 --> 01:33:13,987 She really kept me going through that whole production. 1832 01:33:13,987 --> 01:33:17,112 We were four months in Kraków. A long time. 1833 01:33:17,112 --> 01:33:20,529 It was, emotionally, the hardest movie I've ever made. 1834 01:33:20,529 --> 01:33:22,487 ( music playing ) 1835 01:33:31,487 --> 01:33:33,987 Annette Insdorf: The film is not about 1836 01:33:33,987 --> 01:33:37,153 the Holocaust with a capital "H." 1837 01:33:37,153 --> 01:33:41,862 It is a particular window into the past. 1838 01:33:50,862 --> 01:33:53,278 And here, a mainstream director 1839 01:33:53,278 --> 01:33:55,237 had crafted a motion picture 1840 01:33:55,237 --> 01:33:58,529 that would in fact finally reach a large audience, 1841 01:33:58,529 --> 01:34:01,112 including people that simply may never have known 1842 01:34:01,112 --> 01:34:03,821 the word "Auschwitz." 1843 01:34:03,821 --> 01:34:07,695 ( chorus singing in Hebrew ) 1844 01:34:10,862 --> 01:34:12,821 Neeson: About three quarters of the way through the shoot, 1845 01:34:12,821 --> 01:34:15,529 Steven had this idea about the end of the film. 1846 01:34:15,529 --> 01:34:18,737 He wanted to fly us to Jerusalem. 1847 01:34:18,737 --> 01:34:21,445 We would shoot a scene at Schindler's grave. 1848 01:34:21,445 --> 01:34:23,112 Spielberg: I needed there to be 1849 01:34:23,112 --> 01:34:26,403 some testimony built into the movie 1850 01:34:26,403 --> 01:34:29,695 that says this story actually happened. 1851 01:34:32,570 --> 01:34:34,403 Fiennes: Brave thing to do. 1852 01:34:34,403 --> 01:34:35,779 These are the real people. 1853 01:34:42,946 --> 01:34:45,779 ( music playing ) 1854 01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:09,278 Kennedy: That was a pivotal moment in Steven's life. 1855 01:35:09,278 --> 01:35:11,695 He recognized he couldn't take 1856 01:35:11,695 --> 01:35:13,487 any of the profits from the film. 1857 01:35:13,487 --> 01:35:15,529 He wanted to give something back, 1858 01:35:15,529 --> 01:35:18,445 so he started what became the Shoah Foundation, 1859 01:35:18,445 --> 01:35:22,445 documenting that oral history and capturing history 1860 01:35:22,445 --> 01:35:26,612 in a way that allowed people not to forget. 1861 01:35:26,612 --> 01:35:31,445 Kingsley: The Shoah Foundation is a way of trying to hear 1862 01:35:31,445 --> 01:35:34,987 the faintest echo of the stories that we've lost. 1863 01:35:34,987 --> 01:35:37,987 So, it's connected to him as a storyteller, 1864 01:35:37,987 --> 01:35:41,278 which is in his DNA. 1865 01:35:41,278 --> 01:35:44,029 Man: They started running toward the tracks and they were shot. 1866 01:35:44,029 --> 01:35:46,445 - ( overlapping voices ) - Woman: It was probably the last patrol of the day. 1867 01:35:46,445 --> 01:35:48,153 They were not supposed to be there anymore. 1868 01:35:48,153 --> 01:35:50,153 And of course they asked for papers, 1869 01:35:50,153 --> 01:35:52,654 - but my grandfather didn't have any. - ( overlapping voices ) 1870 01:35:52,654 --> 01:35:56,153 And they took them. They took them. 1871 01:35:56,153 --> 01:35:58,445 ( overlapping voices in various languages ) 1872 01:35:58,445 --> 01:36:02,403 Neeson: He's got thousands and thousands of testimonies, 1873 01:36:02,403 --> 01:36:03,987 and not just about the Holocaust. 1874 01:36:03,987 --> 01:36:07,320 About Rwanda, about Bosnia, you know? 1875 01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,779 And it's amazing, this legacy that "Schindler's List" 1876 01:36:10,779 --> 01:36:12,695 has spawned through Steven. 1877 01:36:12,695 --> 01:36:14,654 ( music playing ) 1878 01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,821 Spielberg: The experience of making "Schindler's List" 1879 01:36:32,821 --> 01:36:37,112 made me reconcile with all of the reasons, 1880 01:36:37,112 --> 01:36:42,987 the vain, glorious reasons, I hid from my Jewishness. 1881 01:36:42,987 --> 01:36:47,529 And it made me so proud to be a Jew. 1882 01:36:57,112 --> 01:36:59,153 - ( trees rustling ) - ( bird squawks ) 1883 01:37:01,529 --> 01:37:03,487 ( dinosaur growling ) 1884 01:37:07,529 --> 01:37:10,737 Kennedy: There are periods of time in moviemaking history 1885 01:37:10,737 --> 01:37:14,029 where you have a collision of events 1886 01:37:14,029 --> 01:37:15,904 that innovates and creates something new. 1887 01:37:15,904 --> 01:37:18,904 And "Jurassic Park" was one of those moments. 1888 01:37:18,904 --> 01:37:20,987 - Man: Keep it there. - Spielberg: It was the beginning 1889 01:37:20,987 --> 01:37:22,737 of, really, the digital era 1890 01:37:22,737 --> 01:37:26,278 where the central characters were digitally created. 1891 01:37:26,278 --> 01:37:28,403 No one had ever gone there before that way. 1892 01:37:28,403 --> 01:37:32,071 - Man #2: Come on! - ( all chattering ) 1893 01:37:32,071 --> 01:37:34,153 Kennedy: Steven said to me, 1894 01:37:34,153 --> 01:37:38,737 "I want 28-foot to 30-foot dinosaurs on the set 1895 01:37:38,737 --> 01:37:40,904 that the actors can interact with, 1896 01:37:40,904 --> 01:37:43,153 and I want them to be able to run." 1897 01:37:43,153 --> 01:37:45,821 There were going to be at least 60 wide shots 1898 01:37:45,821 --> 01:37:47,779 with 60 head-to-toe dinosaurs 1899 01:37:47,779 --> 01:37:49,737 that could not operate mechanically. 1900 01:37:49,737 --> 01:37:51,278 They had to run. They had to perform. 1901 01:37:51,278 --> 01:37:52,821 They had to twist and turn. They had to be real. 1902 01:37:52,821 --> 01:37:56,695 So, I went off to start to talk to experts 1903 01:37:56,695 --> 01:38:00,195 in the area of prosthetics and theme parks 1904 01:38:00,195 --> 01:38:01,487 to figure out how we're gonna do this. 1905 01:38:01,487 --> 01:38:03,029 And, of course, everybody said to me, 1906 01:38:03,029 --> 01:38:05,237 "We can build these things, but they can't run." 1907 01:38:05,237 --> 01:38:07,153 So, I went back to Steven and I said, "They can't run." 1908 01:38:07,153 --> 01:38:08,862 He said, "Well, they have to run." 1909 01:38:08,862 --> 01:38:11,153 - Okay, pushing team, move in there. - Man: Move in. 1910 01:38:11,153 --> 01:38:14,487 Kennedy: So, all this development was going on, 1911 01:38:14,487 --> 01:38:19,278 and simultaneous to that, Dennis Muren called me and he said, 1912 01:38:19,278 --> 01:38:22,278 "I'm working on something with the computer 1913 01:38:22,278 --> 01:38:24,612 that I think could be extraordinary." 1914 01:38:24,612 --> 01:38:26,570 ( dinosaur roaring ) 1915 01:38:26,570 --> 01:38:28,278 ( grunts ) 1916 01:38:28,278 --> 01:38:29,612 ( groaning ) 1917 01:38:29,612 --> 01:38:31,071 ( alarm blaring ) 1918 01:38:31,071 --> 01:38:32,821 - Aah! - ( dinosaur roars ) 1919 01:38:32,821 --> 01:38:34,445 Muldoon: Lock the opening! 1920 01:38:34,445 --> 01:38:36,487 Marshall: And we flew up to ILM, 1921 01:38:36,487 --> 01:38:38,195 and we went in this little office, 1922 01:38:38,195 --> 01:38:41,487 and there was a computer, and Dennis said, "Watch this." 1923 01:38:41,487 --> 01:38:42,862 And he hit a button, 1924 01:38:42,862 --> 01:38:45,153 and there was a dinosaur running. 1925 01:38:45,153 --> 01:38:46,445 This is all in the computer. 1926 01:38:46,445 --> 01:38:47,737 There's no models, no cameras, or anything. 1927 01:38:47,737 --> 01:38:49,153 When we looked at them, 1928 01:38:49,153 --> 01:38:50,779 it was like nothing you had ever seen before. 1929 01:38:50,779 --> 01:38:54,071 And it was one of those primal moments 1930 01:38:54,071 --> 01:38:57,987 - where you suddenly realize, oh, my God... - Oh, my God. 1931 01:38:57,987 --> 01:38:59,445 Oh, my God, we're there. 1932 01:38:59,445 --> 01:39:01,737 Spielberg: This is the future. 1933 01:39:01,737 --> 01:39:03,695 I could not believe my eyes. 1934 01:39:03,695 --> 01:39:05,695 Couldn't believe it. 1935 01:39:05,695 --> 01:39:07,570 They were alive. They were real. 1936 01:39:07,570 --> 01:39:10,987 And it was so exciting, we all leapt to our feet 1937 01:39:10,987 --> 01:39:13,320 because we had never seen anything like it. 1938 01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:15,029 I'm not exaggerating when I say 1939 01:39:15,029 --> 01:39:18,737 looking at that test was like the moment 1940 01:39:18,737 --> 01:39:20,278 when sound came to movies. 1941 01:39:20,278 --> 01:39:23,862 There was this new tool that was going to be huge, 1942 01:39:23,862 --> 01:39:25,071 and you could just tell. 1943 01:39:25,071 --> 01:39:27,029 ( music playing ) 1944 01:39:29,612 --> 01:39:32,195 ( roaring ) 1945 01:39:38,612 --> 01:39:41,029 Laura Dern: It was that much of an experiment. 1946 01:39:41,029 --> 01:39:42,821 It felt that wild. 1947 01:39:42,821 --> 01:39:45,946 And watching, you know, their brains at work 1948 01:39:45,946 --> 01:39:48,654 as we were shooting, and how'd they adjust a shot, 1949 01:39:48,654 --> 01:39:51,029 and how giddy Steven would get, 1950 01:39:51,029 --> 01:39:55,570 you get caught up in the dreams he was building and the magic. 1951 01:39:55,570 --> 01:39:58,654 Jeff Goldblum: During the scenes where we're first seeing the dinosaur, 1952 01:39:58,654 --> 01:40:00,071 he puts the camera on me and says, "Okay, Jeff, 1953 01:40:00,071 --> 01:40:01,695 now you're looking at the thing. 1954 01:40:01,695 --> 01:40:03,362 Okay, so look at it. 1955 01:40:03,362 --> 01:40:05,445 Yeah, keep going. Keep rolling. 1956 01:40:05,445 --> 01:40:07,821 Is it real? Is it a trick? 1957 01:40:07,821 --> 01:40:11,153 And now, for no reason at all, you start to laugh. 1958 01:40:11,153 --> 01:40:12,570 Keep laughing a little bit. 1959 01:40:12,570 --> 01:40:14,487 Laugh a little bit more. That's it. 1960 01:40:14,487 --> 01:40:16,695 Now you're stunned by it again 1961 01:40:16,695 --> 01:40:18,362 and you just get very still. 1962 01:40:19,904 --> 01:40:21,445 Okay, that's it. Okay, I got what I need. 1963 01:40:21,445 --> 01:40:23,237 Let's go. Let's move on." Like that. 1964 01:40:23,237 --> 01:40:25,071 He knows exactly what he needs. 1965 01:40:25,071 --> 01:40:26,946 Weapon, you know, guy face-- all faces, 1966 01:40:26,946 --> 01:40:30,071 weapons, faces, and then right to Bob. 1967 01:40:30,071 --> 01:40:33,570 - Get in there! - Spielberg: "Jurassic Park" is a cautionary tale. 1968 01:40:33,570 --> 01:40:35,779 We stand on the shoulders of giants 1969 01:40:35,779 --> 01:40:38,654 to create the next great thing, 1970 01:40:38,654 --> 01:40:42,320 and yet we take no responsibility for our own creations. 1971 01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:45,654 But it's an old, timeworn science fiction story. 1972 01:40:45,654 --> 01:40:48,153 It's what brought Godzilla up from the depths. 1973 01:40:48,153 --> 01:40:52,695 You mess with atomic energy, you get Godzilla. 1974 01:40:52,695 --> 01:40:55,195 Rick Carter: There's a lot of dark themes in "Jurassic Park" 1975 01:40:55,195 --> 01:40:58,695 that are about, you know, unleashing Pandora's box. 1976 01:40:58,695 --> 01:41:01,779 As it turns out, it's not only genetic engineering, 1977 01:41:01,779 --> 01:41:04,112 which is a theme in the movie, 1978 01:41:04,112 --> 01:41:05,946 it's actually the digital revolution 1979 01:41:05,946 --> 01:41:08,195 coming out right from behind the fence. 1980 01:41:08,195 --> 01:41:11,153 - ( growling ) - ( thunder crashing ) 1981 01:41:18,237 --> 01:41:20,071 ( roaring ) 1982 01:41:20,071 --> 01:41:22,654 Muren: This opened up a whole new world in storytelling 1983 01:41:22,654 --> 01:41:24,946 because you can do anything you want. 1984 01:41:24,946 --> 01:41:27,529 You're not limited by plastics or metal 1985 01:41:27,529 --> 01:41:30,320 or gravity or anything. 1986 01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:32,654 If you can imagine it, you can do it. 1987 01:41:32,654 --> 01:41:35,487 It was the end of an era, no question about it. 1988 01:41:35,487 --> 01:41:37,320 And it was the beginning of a whole nother era. 1989 01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:40,320 - ( music playing ) - ( chittering ) 1990 01:41:50,821 --> 01:41:55,362 Muren: Steven is a master of putting the effects shots in for a purpose. 1991 01:41:55,362 --> 01:41:59,071 They're there to advance the story 1992 01:41:59,071 --> 01:42:02,029 and to make it a different journey 1993 01:42:02,029 --> 01:42:04,195 than anybody's seen before. 1994 01:42:04,195 --> 01:42:05,862 And it could be a spaceship, 1995 01:42:05,862 --> 01:42:08,403 it could be a dinosaur, it could be an alien landing, 1996 01:42:08,403 --> 01:42:12,195 it could be, you know, a red coat that somebody's wearing 1997 01:42:12,195 --> 01:42:14,612 when they're running through a black-and-white movie. 1998 01:42:14,612 --> 01:42:17,529 - Put the camera down. - Parkes: It's part of the emotional landscape 1999 01:42:17,529 --> 01:42:19,278 of the story he's telling. 2000 01:42:19,278 --> 01:42:21,362 I've never seen a single moment 2001 01:42:21,362 --> 01:42:23,362 in a Spielberg movie in which you feel 2002 01:42:23,362 --> 01:42:25,821 that the technology is crushing the story. 2003 01:42:25,821 --> 01:42:27,612 And that's really hard. 2004 01:42:27,612 --> 01:42:30,529 I mean, these moments, which have to feel 2005 01:42:30,529 --> 01:42:33,862 spontaneous and real on-screen... 2006 01:42:33,862 --> 01:42:35,821 There are 200 people around, 2007 01:42:35,821 --> 01:42:37,862 and half of it is being created six months later 2008 01:42:37,862 --> 01:42:41,570 and half of it was six months before. 2009 01:42:41,570 --> 01:42:43,320 Koepp: When he made "Jurassic Park," 2010 01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:45,071 there was no guarantee that it would work. 2011 01:42:45,071 --> 01:42:47,862 That could easily have been a disaster. 2012 01:42:47,862 --> 01:42:52,529 But it was the right ratio of excitement and fear for Steven. 2013 01:42:52,529 --> 01:42:55,195 Doing a movie has to scare you a little bit. 2014 01:42:55,195 --> 01:42:58,237 Otherwise, you're not pushing it. 2015 01:42:58,237 --> 01:42:59,904 "Schindler's List," which seems-- 2016 01:42:59,904 --> 01:43:01,987 clearly, that should have been a movie now-- 2017 01:43:01,987 --> 01:43:05,403 was a three-hour black-and-white movie about the Holocaust. 2018 01:43:05,403 --> 01:43:10,946 In the halls of Universal, that was-- that was crazy. 2019 01:43:10,946 --> 01:43:12,612 That was not-- 2020 01:43:12,612 --> 01:43:15,654 who green lights that movie, you know? 2021 01:43:15,654 --> 01:43:20,153 It was as big a risk as CG dinosaurs. Bigger. 2022 01:43:20,153 --> 01:43:23,278 You're saying "All my credibility as a fantasy filmmaker-- 2023 01:43:23,278 --> 01:43:26,362 I'm gonna risk all that on CG dinosaurs. 2024 01:43:26,362 --> 01:43:28,821 And all my credibility as an artist, 2025 01:43:28,821 --> 01:43:30,529 I'm gonna put on the line, too. 2026 01:43:30,529 --> 01:43:33,112 And I'm gonna do it all over the course of 12 months. 2027 01:43:33,112 --> 01:43:35,278 Fingers crossed." 2028 01:43:35,278 --> 01:43:36,779 They seem obvious now. 2029 01:43:36,779 --> 01:43:40,237 They were by no means guarantees. 2030 01:43:40,237 --> 01:43:43,612 And that must have been a really terrifying period, 2031 01:43:43,612 --> 01:43:46,779 because you really are pushing all your chips into the middle of the table 2032 01:43:46,779 --> 01:43:48,654 at that point. 2033 01:43:48,654 --> 01:43:50,445 Of course, it turned out very well for Steven, 2034 01:43:50,445 --> 01:43:52,612 giving him one of the strangest 2035 01:43:52,612 --> 01:43:56,071 and most astoundingly successful years of any film director, ever. 2036 01:43:56,071 --> 01:43:59,029 The Brain: This is my greatest technological masterpiece-- 2037 01:43:59,029 --> 01:44:01,779 the Schpiel-Borg 2000. 2038 01:44:01,779 --> 01:44:03,779 I spared no expense. 2039 01:44:03,779 --> 01:44:05,403 Your play pal, Pinky, 2040 01:44:05,403 --> 01:44:08,779 is actually an extremely advanced cybernetic clone 2041 01:44:08,779 --> 01:44:12,029 of one of Hollywood's most powerful figures. 2042 01:44:12,029 --> 01:44:14,987 And if his box office numbers are any indication, 2043 01:44:14,987 --> 01:44:19,195 he has the potential to become ruler of the world. 2044 01:44:19,195 --> 01:44:22,403 Steven is the best-known director in the world, easily. 2045 01:44:22,403 --> 01:44:24,029 ( thumps ) 2046 01:44:24,029 --> 01:44:26,612 - Listen. - What? 2047 01:44:28,654 --> 01:44:30,320 ( thunder crashes ) 2048 01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:31,987 ( both screaming ) 2049 01:44:31,987 --> 01:44:34,071 Steven, you've made so many films. 2050 01:44:34,071 --> 01:44:36,779 When are you gonna do the big one? 2051 01:44:36,779 --> 01:44:39,445 ( laughing ) Wow. What do you mean "big one?" 2052 01:44:39,445 --> 01:44:41,320 Something that clicks with the public. 2053 01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:42,654 "Something that clicks with the public." 2054 01:44:42,654 --> 01:44:45,195 ( reporters clamoring ) 2055 01:44:45,195 --> 01:44:47,362 The guy's an unmistakable force 2056 01:44:47,362 --> 01:44:49,237 in the business of making movies. 2057 01:44:49,237 --> 01:44:51,403 Running a company, being an executive producer, 2058 01:44:51,403 --> 01:44:53,362 being a producer, and being a director. 2059 01:44:53,362 --> 01:44:57,195 Robert Zemeckis: For a filmmaker, you can't have a better producer 2060 01:44:57,195 --> 01:44:59,195 than one of the greatest directors in the world. 2061 01:44:59,195 --> 01:45:02,529 He really nurtures young talent coming up. 2062 01:45:02,529 --> 01:45:05,029 It's a pretty amazing roster. 2063 01:45:07,779 --> 01:45:10,445 He's also a major figure in the television business. 2064 01:45:10,445 --> 01:45:11,862 He started a restaurant. 2065 01:45:11,862 --> 01:45:14,153 Dive! Submarine sandwiches. 2066 01:45:14,153 --> 01:45:16,529 The man was, like, doing 27 things at once 2067 01:45:16,529 --> 01:45:19,821 and being perfectly unselfconscious about it. 2068 01:45:19,821 --> 01:45:22,362 How many hats does that man wear? It's impossible. 2069 01:45:22,362 --> 01:45:24,071 Parkes: He once told me, "When I'm at a buffet, 2070 01:45:24,071 --> 01:45:27,278 I like to have too much food on my plate." 2071 01:45:27,278 --> 01:45:29,570 ( music playing ) 2072 01:45:29,570 --> 01:45:32,112 Holly Hunter: He will be in production on a movie, 2073 01:45:32,112 --> 01:45:34,278 doing preproduction for another movie, 2074 01:45:34,278 --> 01:45:35,946 and editing yet a third. 2075 01:45:35,946 --> 01:45:37,904 He's got a lot of different channels. 2076 01:45:37,904 --> 01:45:39,153 You know, me, I have a list. 2077 01:45:39,153 --> 01:45:40,403 You know, "change light bulbs," 2078 01:45:40,403 --> 01:45:42,029 and that's on there for a week. 2079 01:45:42,029 --> 01:45:44,153 No, he gets a lot accomplished. 2080 01:45:44,153 --> 01:45:47,278 Tom Brokaw: Three of Hollywood's richest, most powerful boy wonders 2081 01:45:47,278 --> 01:45:50,071 teamed up today to create a movie studio, 2082 01:45:50,071 --> 01:45:53,195 Hollywood's first major new independent studio 2083 01:45:53,195 --> 01:45:54,237 in almost half a century. 2084 01:45:56,278 --> 01:45:58,362 Geffen: I don't think Steven really fears anything. 2085 01:45:58,362 --> 01:46:01,112 He's always ready to go and do something new. 2086 01:46:03,112 --> 01:46:06,320 Jeffrey Katzenberg: No one can consume information, 2087 01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:09,195 be in so many places so effortlessly. 2088 01:46:09,195 --> 01:46:12,320 It used to make me crazy if a screenplay came in, 2089 01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:14,445 that, you know, we were all waiting for, 2090 01:46:14,445 --> 01:46:16,612 no matter what, I could never get home 2091 01:46:16,612 --> 01:46:18,654 and get it read before him. 2092 01:46:20,278 --> 01:46:22,403 Dustin Hoffman: To be that talented, 2093 01:46:22,403 --> 01:46:27,403 to be that successful almost in a mythological way, 2094 01:46:27,403 --> 01:46:29,112 your jaw drops. 2095 01:46:29,112 --> 01:46:30,570 Many times you see the person 2096 01:46:30,570 --> 01:46:35,153 incorporating their success into their personality. 2097 01:46:35,153 --> 01:46:38,904 There's a sense of self-importance. 2098 01:46:38,904 --> 01:46:41,487 And it's the opposite with Steven. 2099 01:46:41,487 --> 01:46:44,946 Steven's like a guy who works for Steven Spielberg. 2100 01:46:46,779 --> 01:46:48,904 - ( water splashing ) - ( children laughing ) 2101 01:46:48,904 --> 01:46:52,487 - ( Spielberg vocalizing "Jaws" theme ) - Girl: Shark! 2102 01:46:52,487 --> 01:46:54,654 Spielberg: A day of pure bliss, for me, 2103 01:46:54,654 --> 01:46:56,612 is a day where I'm with my family. 2104 01:46:56,612 --> 01:46:59,779 I've got my eyes closed, they're swimming in the pool, 2105 01:46:59,779 --> 01:47:01,862 - and I just listen to their voices. - Spielberg: One more time. 2106 01:47:01,862 --> 01:47:04,237 That's great, Theo. That was the best one. 2107 01:47:04,237 --> 01:47:06,403 Spielberg: I never knew I was going to have a big family. 2108 01:47:06,403 --> 01:47:08,153 That took me completely by surprise. 2109 01:47:08,153 --> 01:47:10,403 Kate never thought she'd have a big family either. 2110 01:47:10,403 --> 01:47:14,779 So, the natural evolution in our life was a gift. 2111 01:47:14,779 --> 01:47:16,654 - ( girl yelps ) - Spielberg: Jessica is my oldest, 2112 01:47:16,654 --> 01:47:19,403 and then Max, and then Theo after that, 2113 01:47:19,403 --> 01:47:22,403 and then Sasha, and then Sawyer, 2114 01:47:22,403 --> 01:47:24,779 and then Mikaela, and then Destry. 2115 01:47:24,779 --> 01:47:26,654 - Woman: Whoo-hoo! - ( squeals ) 2116 01:47:26,654 --> 01:47:29,487 Spielberg: Kate is a force in my life. 2117 01:47:29,487 --> 01:47:31,071 There's such an honesty about her 2118 01:47:31,071 --> 01:47:32,737 and an awareness of the world. 2119 01:47:32,737 --> 01:47:34,362 And I think the authenticity 2120 01:47:34,362 --> 01:47:37,612 of the kinds of movies I began to make 2121 01:47:37,612 --> 01:47:40,779 after Katie and I got together 2122 01:47:40,779 --> 01:47:44,487 had to do with bringing a kind of truth into my life 2123 01:47:44,487 --> 01:47:47,987 where truth began to upstage make-believe. 2124 01:47:47,987 --> 01:47:49,445 Spielberg: Okay, turn the camera on. 2125 01:47:49,445 --> 01:47:51,695 - Roll. - Man: Okay, do it. 2126 01:47:51,695 --> 01:47:53,362 Marker. 2127 01:47:53,362 --> 01:47:54,946 Spielberg: You know, I've turned down 2128 01:47:54,946 --> 01:47:58,403 a lot of very successful movie franchises 2129 01:47:58,403 --> 01:48:01,612 that 10 years before I would've jumped at the chance to direct. 2130 01:48:01,612 --> 01:48:03,695 But it wasn't the kind of legacy 2131 01:48:03,695 --> 01:48:06,195 I want to leave behind for my kids. 2132 01:48:27,612 --> 01:48:29,737 Hanks: Steven wanted "Saving Private Ryan" 2133 01:48:29,737 --> 01:48:34,278 to be a different kind of very tactile and personal war movie. 2134 01:48:34,278 --> 01:48:36,237 We had no idea that Omaha Beach 2135 01:48:36,237 --> 01:48:39,987 was gonna be what it was like when we started. 2136 01:48:39,987 --> 01:48:42,320 He did not describe anything to us. 2137 01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:44,237 He was playing with our sense of confusion 2138 01:48:44,237 --> 01:48:45,862 and panic and fear, 2139 01:48:45,862 --> 01:48:48,112 capturing the moment of our own shock, 2140 01:48:48,112 --> 01:48:51,403 or our surprise, or our own blankness. 2141 01:48:51,403 --> 01:48:53,737 And the difference between standing around before we're shooting 2142 01:48:53,737 --> 01:48:55,987 and saying, "Hey, ready to do this? Nice to meet you. Here we go. 2143 01:48:55,987 --> 01:48:57,612 Can you swim? You can't swim? 2144 01:48:57,612 --> 01:49:00,278 You better, because you're in a Steven Spielberg movie. 2145 01:49:00,278 --> 01:49:03,695 You better..." So, we're talking like that. 2146 01:49:03,695 --> 01:49:05,487 And then it opened up 2147 01:49:05,487 --> 01:49:09,821 and all the powers of physical moviemaking went berserk. 2148 01:49:09,821 --> 01:49:11,946 - ( loud whirring ) - ( men shouting ) 2149 01:49:11,946 --> 01:49:14,695 ( rapid gunfire ) 2150 01:49:14,695 --> 01:49:16,612 ( explosion ) 2151 01:49:21,862 --> 01:49:23,612 ( rapid gunfire ) 2152 01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:30,153 Over the side! 2153 01:49:30,153 --> 01:49:32,112 ( gunfire continues ) 2154 01:49:36,362 --> 01:49:38,487 - ( bullets whizzing ) - Over the side, boys! 2155 01:49:47,112 --> 01:49:49,403 ( bullets whizzing ) 2156 01:49:49,403 --> 01:49:51,821 Spielberg: I tried very, very hard to put the audience 2157 01:49:51,821 --> 01:49:55,904 as close to the experience as I possibly knew how to do 2158 01:49:55,904 --> 01:49:58,821 so there wouldn't ever be a safe feeling 2159 01:49:58,821 --> 01:50:00,445 in the audience. 2160 01:50:00,445 --> 01:50:02,153 And when you narrow that distance-- 2161 01:50:02,153 --> 01:50:04,654 if you're successful in narrowing the distance, 2162 01:50:04,654 --> 01:50:08,445 then the audience really becomes those characters. 2163 01:50:08,445 --> 01:50:09,320 ( rapid gunfire ) 2164 01:50:10,445 --> 01:50:11,320 ( rapid gunfire ) 2165 01:50:14,904 --> 01:50:15,987 ( rapid gunfire ) 2166 01:50:17,112 --> 01:50:19,529 Come on. 2167 01:50:19,529 --> 01:50:22,695 Edelstein: In "Saving Private Ryan," Spielberg understood 2168 01:50:22,695 --> 01:50:25,612 the expressionistic possibilities of sound. 2169 01:50:25,612 --> 01:50:28,071 - ( bullets whizzing ) - ( men shouting ) 2170 01:50:28,071 --> 01:50:30,779 Edelstein: You could hear the bullets streaking along. 2171 01:50:30,779 --> 01:50:33,278 You can hear them penetrate the flesh 2172 01:50:33,278 --> 01:50:35,278 and ravage these bodies. 2173 01:50:35,278 --> 01:50:37,987 You felt what it was like to have your ears ringing 2174 01:50:37,987 --> 01:50:41,195 in the midst of this and be completely disoriented. 2175 01:50:41,195 --> 01:50:43,237 ( explosion ) 2176 01:50:43,237 --> 01:50:45,237 ( sound fades ) 2177 01:50:48,612 --> 01:50:50,987 Edelstein: The sheer intensity of that scene, 2178 01:50:50,987 --> 01:50:52,737 the visceral element, 2179 01:50:52,737 --> 01:50:55,362 not just metaphorically, but literally, 2180 01:50:55,362 --> 01:50:58,862 is like nothing-- nothing that had been put on film before. 2181 01:51:02,278 --> 01:51:05,237 ( rapid gunfire ) 2182 01:51:05,237 --> 01:51:08,403 Spielberg: I decided to shoot the entire Omaha Beach sequence 2183 01:51:08,403 --> 01:51:10,237 in complete continuity, 2184 01:51:10,237 --> 01:51:12,904 not knowing what was gonna come next. 2185 01:51:12,904 --> 01:51:15,403 And all my cameramen were given instruction 2186 01:51:15,403 --> 01:51:18,779 to be spontaneous in what they decided to shoot, 2187 01:51:18,779 --> 01:51:21,029 just like a documentary cameraman would. 2188 01:51:21,029 --> 01:51:24,695 And for, like, 27 days, we literally took the beach 2189 01:51:24,695 --> 01:51:27,529 as filmmakers, one yard at a time. 2190 01:51:27,529 --> 01:51:29,071 - ( gunfire ) - ( men shouting ) 2191 01:51:31,278 --> 01:51:35,071 Mama! Mama! 2192 01:51:35,071 --> 01:51:37,112 Maslin: "Saving Private Ryan" revealed 2193 01:51:37,112 --> 01:51:39,737 certain visceral truths about war 2194 01:51:39,737 --> 01:51:42,195 that people were not gonna learn from books. 2195 01:51:42,195 --> 01:51:44,779 They were not gonna learn from documentaries. 2196 01:51:44,779 --> 01:51:46,987 That was him at the height of his powers 2197 01:51:46,987 --> 01:51:49,195 doing something that nobody else could do. 2198 01:51:49,195 --> 01:51:52,362 - ( gunfire ) - Hanks: The first time we talked about the movie, 2199 01:51:52,362 --> 01:51:56,403 he said, "I can't wait to shoot that machine gun nest at the radar installation." 2200 01:51:56,403 --> 01:51:58,445 He had already mapped this thing out in his mind, 2201 01:51:58,445 --> 01:52:01,529 and when we got to the location, there was one problem-- 2202 01:52:01,529 --> 01:52:03,487 the sun wasn't in the right place. 2203 01:52:03,487 --> 01:52:07,071 Steven had thought the set was built this way, 2204 01:52:07,071 --> 01:52:08,779 but it was built this way. 2205 01:52:08,779 --> 01:52:10,695 So, he could not shoot it, because the sun 2206 01:52:10,695 --> 01:52:12,779 was not going to give him the light that he wanted. 2207 01:52:12,779 --> 01:52:16,071 And he was mad, perhaps with himself or perhaps with someone 2208 01:52:16,071 --> 01:52:18,403 who didn't tell him what the compass points were. 2209 01:52:18,403 --> 01:52:20,654 So, he went on a walk, and when he comes back, 2210 01:52:20,654 --> 01:52:22,278 he says, "Okay, I know how I'm gonna shoot it." 2211 01:52:22,278 --> 01:52:25,445 - ( panting ) - ( rapid gunfire ) 2212 01:52:25,445 --> 01:52:27,487 And it's a different perspective 2213 01:52:27,487 --> 01:52:30,487 from any other assault that we had shot in the film. 2214 01:52:30,487 --> 01:52:31,987 ( explosion ) 2215 01:52:31,987 --> 01:52:34,487 And if you're not Steven, 2216 01:52:34,487 --> 01:52:36,487 if you don't have this lifetime 2217 01:52:36,487 --> 01:52:39,487 of cinematic language in your head, 2218 01:52:39,487 --> 01:52:41,487 that's a different kind of day. 2219 01:52:41,487 --> 01:52:45,153 But because his eye is so connected to his brain 2220 01:52:45,153 --> 01:52:47,112 and every movie that he's ever seen 2221 01:52:47,112 --> 01:52:48,654 and every movie that he's ever made, 2222 01:52:48,654 --> 01:52:49,987 he just went out and said, 2223 01:52:49,987 --> 01:52:52,403 "Here's how we're gonna do this, and that's it." 2224 01:52:52,403 --> 01:52:53,821 Incredible. 2225 01:52:53,821 --> 01:52:55,821 ( music playing ) 2226 01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:06,821 Anne: "Saving Private Ryan" was in honor of the veterans, 2227 01:53:06,821 --> 01:53:10,112 and I think a bit of a homage to my father 2228 01:53:10,112 --> 01:53:12,362 who flew missions during WWII. 2229 01:53:12,362 --> 01:53:15,862 He wasn't in Europe. He was in India and Burma. 2230 01:53:15,862 --> 01:53:18,987 When I was a kid, my dad was telling WWII stories all the time. 2231 01:53:18,987 --> 01:53:21,029 His veteran friends would come over to the house 2232 01:53:21,029 --> 01:53:22,529 and I'd listen to them tell war stories. 2233 01:53:22,529 --> 01:53:24,403 So, WWII, that greatest generation, 2234 01:53:24,403 --> 01:53:28,946 became something that I wished I could be part of. 2235 01:53:28,946 --> 01:53:31,487 Lucas: Steven had a complicated relationship with his father, 2236 01:53:31,487 --> 01:53:35,362 but he was starting to reconnect and realize 2237 01:53:35,362 --> 01:53:38,195 that his first impressions of a lot of the things he had 2238 01:53:38,195 --> 01:53:39,737 weren't necessarily true. 2239 01:53:39,737 --> 01:53:41,695 It was complex for me for a long time, 2240 01:53:41,695 --> 01:53:45,237 but at least I had a art form 2241 01:53:45,237 --> 01:53:48,071 that I could filter it through. 2242 01:53:48,071 --> 01:53:49,403 At least I had that. 2243 01:53:49,403 --> 01:53:53,153 If movies did anything for me, it-- 2244 01:53:53,153 --> 01:53:57,403 I've avoided therapy because movies are my therapy. 2245 01:54:00,612 --> 01:54:02,654 Junior? 2246 01:54:02,654 --> 01:54:05,320 - Yes, sir. - Spielberg: And this father-son obsession 2247 01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:07,195 I've had in my movies obviously speaks 2248 01:54:07,195 --> 01:54:13,237 to a great deal of feelings that I've been carrying with me 2249 01:54:13,237 --> 01:54:15,946 that I want to unburden myself of, and I have. 2250 01:54:15,946 --> 01:54:19,071 Do you remember the last time we had a quiet drink? 2251 01:54:19,071 --> 01:54:21,320 Huh? 2252 01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:23,654 I had a milkshake. 2253 01:54:23,654 --> 01:54:25,821 Hmm? What did we talk about? 2254 01:54:25,821 --> 01:54:27,779 - ( music playing ) - ( chatter ) 2255 01:54:27,779 --> 01:54:30,320 We didn't talk. 2256 01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:32,071 We never talked. 2257 01:54:32,071 --> 01:54:33,529 Maslin: The absent father 2258 01:54:33,529 --> 01:54:35,529 has haunted Steven throughout his life, 2259 01:54:35,529 --> 01:54:39,779 and he has fictionalized it in all kinds of ways on film. 2260 01:54:39,779 --> 01:54:42,821 It's the heart of him. 2261 01:54:42,821 --> 01:54:44,403 Arnold: Although I liked the movies, 2262 01:54:44,403 --> 01:54:46,320 I noticed the absence of the father 2263 01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:48,237 quite significantly. 2264 01:54:48,237 --> 01:54:50,987 For a long time, Steven was very mad at me. 2265 01:54:50,987 --> 01:54:52,403 There he is. 2266 01:54:52,403 --> 01:54:54,987 ( music blaring over headphones ) 2267 01:54:54,987 --> 01:54:57,987 - Get a hug? - Arnold: I was hurt by it, but quietly hurt. 2268 01:54:57,987 --> 01:55:00,487 Confusing handshake? Kick in the teeth? 2269 01:55:00,487 --> 01:55:02,237 Arnold: I didn't broach it with Steven. 2270 01:55:02,237 --> 01:55:06,153 I just ate it up a little bit 2271 01:55:06,153 --> 01:55:08,320 and hurt a little bit. 2272 01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:12,195 - ( gasps ) - I thought I had lost you, boy. 2273 01:55:12,195 --> 01:55:14,821 ( sighs ) I thought you had too, sir. 2274 01:55:14,821 --> 01:55:17,570 Spielberg: My dad and I finally resolved our differences, 2275 01:55:17,570 --> 01:55:22,195 and we're probably closer now than we ever were before. 2276 01:55:22,195 --> 01:55:24,403 Arnold: When he made "Saving Private Ryan," 2277 01:55:24,403 --> 01:55:26,779 he said, "I made this for my dad." 2278 01:55:26,779 --> 01:55:28,237 And that was wonderful. 2279 01:55:28,237 --> 01:55:31,153 That made me feel warm right here. 2280 01:55:42,195 --> 01:55:43,779 ( horn beeping ) 2281 01:55:45,987 --> 01:55:49,821 Lawrence Kasdan: Steven has always had a big vision 2282 01:55:49,821 --> 01:55:52,487 of what movies can be. 2283 01:55:54,487 --> 01:55:57,403 He's an American moviemaker. 2284 01:55:57,403 --> 01:56:01,862 And it's not starry-eyed patriotism. 2285 01:56:01,862 --> 01:56:03,529 Woman: Animals! 2286 01:56:03,529 --> 01:56:06,071 Kasdan: He is drawn to all the themes 2287 01:56:06,071 --> 01:56:09,737 that are inherent in the American character 2288 01:56:09,737 --> 01:56:13,362 and the American society and how it developed. 2289 01:56:13,362 --> 01:56:15,362 Insdorf: There are people struggling 2290 01:56:15,362 --> 01:56:18,987 in one way or another for freedom in these movies. 2291 01:56:18,987 --> 01:56:23,737 Give... us free. 2292 01:56:23,737 --> 01:56:25,862 He doesn't take freedom for granted. 2293 01:56:27,278 --> 01:56:29,570 Kaminski: Liberty and equality, 2294 01:56:29,570 --> 01:56:31,946 the Constitution, 2295 01:56:31,946 --> 01:56:33,529 and the rights of the individual. 2296 01:56:33,529 --> 01:56:35,071 ( cheering ) 2297 01:56:35,071 --> 01:56:37,904 Kaminski: He's evolved as a filmmaker. 2298 01:56:37,904 --> 01:56:41,403 "Amistad" and "Lincoln" and "Bridge of Spies" 2299 01:56:41,403 --> 01:56:43,029 are all about the rule of law. 2300 01:56:43,029 --> 01:56:45,904 They're all about the rights of even people 2301 01:56:45,904 --> 01:56:49,153 who are either brought here against their will 2302 01:56:49,153 --> 01:56:53,904 or come here to be a soldier in an opposing army 2303 01:56:53,904 --> 01:56:55,570 and are caught. 2304 01:56:55,570 --> 01:56:58,320 The law fully covers everyone. 2305 01:56:58,320 --> 01:56:59,612 Tom: We were supposed to show 2306 01:56:59,612 --> 01:57:01,946 he had a capable defense, which we did. 2307 01:57:01,946 --> 01:57:04,612 Why are you citing the goddamn Constitution at me? 2308 01:57:04,612 --> 01:57:06,195 Tom, if you look me in the eye 2309 01:57:06,195 --> 01:57:08,071 and tell me we don't have grounds 2310 01:57:08,071 --> 01:57:09,445 for an appeal, I'll drop it right now. 2311 01:57:09,445 --> 01:57:11,695 I'm not saying that. You know what I'm saying. 2312 01:57:11,695 --> 01:57:13,695 Tom is saying there's a cost to these things. 2313 01:57:13,695 --> 01:57:15,570 That's right. 2314 01:57:15,570 --> 01:57:18,570 A cost to both your family and your firm. 2315 01:57:18,570 --> 01:57:20,237 Spielberg: I really believe in this country, 2316 01:57:20,237 --> 01:57:21,737 and I always have. 2317 01:57:21,737 --> 01:57:23,946 And it just resonated throughout my work-- 2318 01:57:23,946 --> 01:57:25,821 wanting to tell American stories, 2319 01:57:25,821 --> 01:57:28,612 wanting to tell stories about principled, ethical people 2320 01:57:28,612 --> 01:57:30,445 who, against all advice 2321 01:57:30,445 --> 01:57:33,654 and against most everyone else's better judgment, 2322 01:57:33,654 --> 01:57:36,529 just proceed to do the right thing. 2323 01:57:36,529 --> 01:57:40,654 I'm sure that sounds like I'm this kind of, you know, 2324 01:57:40,654 --> 01:57:44,779 idealist or some sort of a patriot, 2325 01:57:44,779 --> 01:57:46,779 but I am a patriot. 2326 01:57:46,779 --> 01:57:49,362 And I'm somewhat of an idealist, too. 2327 01:57:49,362 --> 01:57:52,445 Say all we done is show the world 2328 01:57:52,445 --> 01:57:54,779 that democracy isn't chaos. 2329 01:57:57,487 --> 01:58:01,112 That there is a great invisible strength 2330 01:58:01,112 --> 01:58:03,071 in a people's union. 2331 01:58:03,071 --> 01:58:05,654 Say we've shown that a people can endure 2332 01:58:05,654 --> 01:58:09,403 awful sacrifice and yet cohere. 2333 01:58:09,403 --> 01:58:12,071 Mightn't that save at least the idea of democracy, 2334 01:58:12,071 --> 01:58:14,445 to aspire to? 2335 01:58:14,445 --> 01:58:17,278 Eventually to become worthy of? 2336 01:58:17,278 --> 01:58:19,320 Daniel Day-Lewis: The first thing that you have to overcome 2337 01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:21,445 is the reluctance to even approach Lincoln 2338 01:58:21,445 --> 01:58:23,987 because he's such a mighty figure. 2339 01:58:23,987 --> 01:58:26,821 His experience as a president was in, you know, 2340 01:58:26,821 --> 01:58:29,987 one of the greatest crises that this country's ever known. 2341 01:58:29,987 --> 01:58:32,904 And so, undoubtedly, of course, 2342 01:58:32,904 --> 01:58:36,737 he made decisions that were extremely unpalatable 2343 01:58:36,737 --> 01:58:38,487 to many, many people. 2344 01:58:38,487 --> 01:58:42,529 We are absolutely guaranteed to lose the whole thing. 2345 01:58:42,529 --> 01:58:45,737 We don't need a goddamned abolition amendment. 2346 01:58:45,737 --> 01:58:48,071 Leave the Constitution alone! 2347 01:58:48,071 --> 01:58:50,195 James: ...peace commissioners appear today, or-- 2348 01:58:50,195 --> 01:58:51,695 ( overlapping voices ) 2349 01:58:51,695 --> 01:58:53,029 ( argument stops ) 2350 01:58:54,278 --> 01:58:57,029 I can't listen to this anymore. 2351 01:58:58,654 --> 01:59:01,946 I can't accomplish a goddamn thing 2352 01:59:01,946 --> 01:59:04,403 of any human meaning or worth 2353 01:59:04,403 --> 01:59:08,195 until we cure ourselves of slavery 2354 01:59:08,195 --> 01:59:11,737 and end this pestilential war! 2355 01:59:11,737 --> 01:59:15,153 And whether any of you or anyone else knows it, 2356 01:59:15,153 --> 01:59:17,737 I know I need this! 2357 01:59:17,737 --> 01:59:21,237 This amendment is that cure! 2358 01:59:21,237 --> 01:59:23,153 Steven worked a long time 2359 01:59:23,153 --> 01:59:25,612 to find where the story was to tell it. 2360 01:59:25,612 --> 01:59:29,445 Kushner: And it took guts for Steven to make a movie about Abraham Lincoln 2361 01:59:29,445 --> 01:59:33,737 in which Lincoln shares top billing with the House of Representatives. 2362 01:59:33,737 --> 01:59:36,153 Doris Kearns Goodwin: He had faith that if he told a story 2363 01:59:36,153 --> 01:59:39,403 that is about democracy and it's about messiness and politics-- 2364 01:59:39,403 --> 01:59:41,570 and people are on different sides of the issue, 2365 01:59:41,570 --> 01:59:43,570 and people who were Democrats then are Republicans now, 2366 01:59:43,570 --> 01:59:45,112 and Republicans now were Democrats then, 2367 01:59:45,112 --> 01:59:47,737 was pretty confusing for people to get a sense 2368 01:59:47,737 --> 01:59:49,403 right away of what the story was. 2369 01:59:49,403 --> 01:59:52,112 But he somehow thought if the American people 2370 01:59:52,112 --> 01:59:54,529 can feel this man and feel what he was doing, 2371 01:59:54,529 --> 01:59:57,570 they'll see what democracy is when it really works. 2372 01:59:57,570 --> 01:59:59,821 Schuyler: A motion has been made to bring the bill 2373 01:59:59,821 --> 02:00:02,153 for the 13th Amendment to a vote. 2374 02:00:02,153 --> 02:00:04,153 - Do I hear a second? - I second the motion. 2375 02:00:04,153 --> 02:00:06,445 - ( gravel bangs ) - So moved, so ordered. 2376 02:00:06,445 --> 02:00:09,821 And in the end, it's not Lincoln's triumph 2377 02:00:09,821 --> 02:00:12,112 that's pushed to the fore in the film. 2378 02:00:12,112 --> 02:00:13,987 I think what's really pushed to the fore 2379 02:00:13,987 --> 02:00:16,445 is that it's a triumph of democracy. 2380 02:00:16,445 --> 02:00:20,737 The part assigned to me is to raise the flag. 2381 02:00:20,737 --> 02:00:25,654 And when up, it'll be for the people to keep it up. 2382 02:00:28,403 --> 02:00:29,695 That's my speech. 2383 02:00:29,695 --> 02:00:32,779 ( crowd laughing, applauding ) 2384 02:00:32,779 --> 02:00:35,654 ♪ We are coming, Father Abraham ♪ 2385 02:00:35,654 --> 02:00:37,612 ♪ 300,000 more ♪ 2386 02:00:37,612 --> 02:00:40,071 ♪ From Mississippi's winding stream ♪ 2387 02:00:40,071 --> 02:00:42,362 ♪ And from New England's shore ♪ 2388 02:00:42,362 --> 02:00:44,987 ♪ We leave our ploughs... ♪ 2389 02:00:44,987 --> 02:00:46,946 ( music playing ) 2390 02:00:51,654 --> 02:00:54,153 ( moaning ) Oh, yeah! 2391 02:00:54,153 --> 02:00:55,278 ( chattering ) 2392 02:00:58,153 --> 02:00:59,779 Todd McCarthy: From about the time 2393 02:00:59,779 --> 02:01:01,821 of the millennium in Spielberg's career, 2394 02:01:01,821 --> 02:01:06,237 there is something, whether it's personal, political, historical, 2395 02:01:06,237 --> 02:01:10,278 that pushed him in a more adventurous and a darker direction. 2396 02:01:10,278 --> 02:01:12,071 I fundamentally don't buy 2397 02:01:12,071 --> 02:01:14,654 that he has a pessimistic worldview 2398 02:01:14,654 --> 02:01:19,071 or that he suddenly changed and has a more dubious opinion 2399 02:01:19,071 --> 02:01:21,821 of the human race, but still, 2400 02:01:21,821 --> 02:01:24,695 there's been an alteration. 2401 02:01:24,695 --> 02:01:27,195 He has been willing to go places 2402 02:01:27,195 --> 02:01:30,320 that he would not have gone in his earlier films. 2403 02:01:31,362 --> 02:01:33,737 ( chatter on TV ) 2404 02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:37,570 All right, Howard Marks. Where are you? 2405 02:01:37,570 --> 02:01:40,029 It was a very complicated story, "Minority Report." 2406 02:01:40,029 --> 02:01:41,654 A very dark story, actually. 2407 02:01:41,654 --> 02:01:44,195 You know, democracy, freedom of choice, 2408 02:01:44,195 --> 02:01:46,612 corruption. 2409 02:01:46,612 --> 02:01:48,987 Spielberg: That dark, futuristic dystopian tone 2410 02:01:48,987 --> 02:01:51,403 was so compelling for me at that time. 2411 02:01:51,403 --> 02:01:53,362 Kushner: Tennessee Williams says that artists 2412 02:01:53,362 --> 02:01:55,570 are like the canaries in the coal mine. 2413 02:01:55,570 --> 02:01:58,112 And Steven has an uncanny knack 2414 02:01:58,112 --> 02:02:02,153 for feeling what's going on in the world around him 2415 02:02:02,153 --> 02:02:05,654 and what needs to be said at its moment. 2416 02:02:05,654 --> 02:02:08,904 I think he's a very present filmmaker. 2417 02:02:08,904 --> 02:02:11,278 By mandate of the District of Columbia Precrime Division, 2418 02:02:11,278 --> 02:02:14,737 I'm placing you under arrest for the future murder of Sarah Marks and Donald... 2419 02:02:14,737 --> 02:02:18,278 Hoberman: The film anticipated the whole post-9/11 mentality 2420 02:02:18,278 --> 02:02:21,278 of arresting people before they can commit crimes 2421 02:02:21,278 --> 02:02:22,904 and preventive detention and so on. 2422 02:02:26,987 --> 02:02:28,529 Spielberg: But the movie that I made 2423 02:02:28,529 --> 02:02:31,737 that was a real statement about 9/11 2424 02:02:31,737 --> 02:02:33,071 was "War of the Worlds." 2425 02:02:33,071 --> 02:02:35,029 ( people screaming ) 2426 02:02:37,071 --> 02:02:40,779 Spielberg: For me, it began with what would really happen 2427 02:02:40,779 --> 02:02:42,695 if we were invaded 2428 02:02:42,695 --> 02:02:44,612 and everything that we thought 2429 02:02:44,612 --> 02:02:47,779 made us invulnerable to invasion 2430 02:02:47,779 --> 02:02:48,862 was all wrong? 2431 02:02:51,112 --> 02:02:52,987 ( people screaming ) 2432 02:03:00,529 --> 02:03:02,654 Koepp: There's a sequence where Cruise's character 2433 02:03:02,654 --> 02:03:05,654 runs through the streets and the ray is turning people to dust 2434 02:03:05,654 --> 02:03:08,987 and some of that dust is in his hair. 2435 02:03:08,987 --> 02:03:11,153 And he comes home and sees himself in shock 2436 02:03:11,153 --> 02:03:14,695 and realizes that that's remains that are in his hair. 2437 02:03:14,695 --> 02:03:16,403 - Oh! - ( water running ) 2438 02:03:16,403 --> 02:03:19,112 Koepp: Steven handled that with great tact. 2439 02:03:19,112 --> 02:03:21,904 9/11 was so much a part of our national psyche, 2440 02:03:21,904 --> 02:03:25,153 you didn't have to do much to evoke the shock we all felt 2441 02:03:25,153 --> 02:03:28,071 and the helplessness we all felt at being attacked. 2442 02:03:31,570 --> 02:03:34,195 ( all shouting ) 2443 02:03:37,195 --> 02:03:39,946 ( shouting continues ) 2444 02:03:43,612 --> 02:03:45,487 ( screaming ) 2445 02:03:45,487 --> 02:03:49,487 ( shouting continues ) 2446 02:03:49,487 --> 02:03:51,612 Good afternoon. I'm Jim McKay speaking to you 2447 02:03:51,612 --> 02:03:54,737 live at this moment from ABC headquarters 2448 02:03:54,737 --> 02:03:58,071 just outside the Olympic Village in Munich, West Germany. 2449 02:03:58,071 --> 02:04:01,153 The peace of what is-- would've been called the "Serene Olympics" 2450 02:04:01,153 --> 02:04:04,779 was shattered just before dawn this morning about 5:00. 2451 02:04:04,779 --> 02:04:08,029 - ( chatter ) - Kushner: Nobody was expecting Steven Spielberg, 2452 02:04:08,029 --> 02:04:10,654 maybe the world's most famous Jewish artist, 2453 02:04:10,654 --> 02:04:12,403 to weigh in on the Middle East 2454 02:04:12,403 --> 02:04:14,237 because it's such a minefield, 2455 02:04:14,237 --> 02:04:16,362 and Steven is not a sensationalist 2456 02:04:16,362 --> 02:04:19,695 in the sense of wanting to create, 2457 02:04:19,695 --> 02:04:22,445 you know, firestorms of controversy. 2458 02:04:22,445 --> 02:04:24,904 - Jim: This is building number 31. - ( chatter ) 2459 02:04:24,904 --> 02:04:26,654 At this moment, 2460 02:04:26,654 --> 02:04:29,862 eight or nine terrified living human beings 2461 02:04:29,862 --> 02:04:31,737 - are being held prisoner. - ( chanting ) 2462 02:04:31,737 --> 02:04:34,987 Spielberg: I felt I could not make this one-sided. 2463 02:04:34,987 --> 02:04:39,445 And so, I knew it would be controversial from the very get-go. 2464 02:04:39,445 --> 02:04:42,362 ( woman vocalizing ) 2465 02:04:51,654 --> 02:04:53,695 - ( chatter on TV ) - ( overlapping voices ) 2466 02:04:56,071 --> 02:04:59,278 Eric Bana: It was that story of the group of Mossad agents 2467 02:04:59,278 --> 02:05:01,821 who were assembled to avenge the deaths 2468 02:05:01,821 --> 02:05:04,862 of the Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics. 2469 02:05:08,987 --> 02:05:13,195 It was their job to go after a list of targeted men 2470 02:05:13,195 --> 02:05:16,362 who were part of a terrorist group. 2471 02:05:16,362 --> 02:05:20,320 And it was their job to, one by one, assassinate them. 2472 02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:23,821 Daniel Craig: This movie was trying to affect and turn on a debate. 2473 02:05:23,821 --> 02:05:26,904 Is vengeance the answer? Does it actually solve anything? 2474 02:05:26,904 --> 02:05:28,904 If you continue the cycle of violence 2475 02:05:28,904 --> 02:05:30,737 and cycle of blood, then... 2476 02:05:30,737 --> 02:05:33,737 that's what they'll be and nothing else. 2477 02:05:35,904 --> 02:05:38,529 Steven was very keen to tell a human story, 2478 02:05:38,529 --> 02:05:42,195 that these were men and not superheroes. 2479 02:05:42,195 --> 02:05:45,403 Their indecision and their mistakes 2480 02:05:45,403 --> 02:05:48,904 and their-- is the reality of what happened, you know? 2481 02:05:48,904 --> 02:05:51,612 Life isn't a "James Bond" movie. ( chuckles ) 2482 02:05:51,612 --> 02:05:53,237 Are you-- are you Wael Zwaiter? 2483 02:05:53,237 --> 02:05:55,487 He said yes already. He already said yes. 2484 02:05:55,487 --> 02:05:58,737 ( speaking Arabic ) 2485 02:05:58,737 --> 02:06:00,779 What are we doing? 2486 02:06:00,779 --> 02:06:03,237 ( speaking Arabic ) 2487 02:06:04,737 --> 02:06:06,029 What do I do? 2488 02:06:06,029 --> 02:06:08,112 Do you know why we're here? 2489 02:06:08,112 --> 02:06:10,654 ( speaking Arabic ) 2490 02:06:18,987 --> 02:06:21,904 Hoberman: In "Munich," Spielberg is trying to come to terms 2491 02:06:21,904 --> 02:06:23,987 with the war against terror. 2492 02:06:23,987 --> 02:06:28,445 And he doesn't know where he is on it. 2493 02:06:28,445 --> 02:06:30,737 He's-- he supports it, 2494 02:06:30,737 --> 02:06:34,487 but he's also disturbed by it. 2495 02:06:34,487 --> 02:06:36,529 And so, that's an example 2496 02:06:36,529 --> 02:06:39,320 of a kind of thoughtfulness that goes into his work. 2497 02:06:39,320 --> 02:06:43,153 I mean, he's the Hollywood equivalent of a public intellectual. 2498 02:06:52,320 --> 02:06:55,987 Bana: I remember when we shot the telephone bomb sequence. 2499 02:06:57,195 --> 02:06:58,987 In that one dolly shot, 2500 02:06:58,987 --> 02:07:02,237 you got a complete sense of the geography of the entire scene. 2501 02:07:04,529 --> 02:07:07,278 Spielberg: It took three days to shoot the scene. 2502 02:07:07,278 --> 02:07:10,320 Everything had to be from points of view. 2503 02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:12,779 There was the point of view of the guys in the car. 2504 02:07:12,779 --> 02:07:17,029 So now we wait for the red light. 2505 02:07:17,029 --> 02:07:20,195 Spielberg: There was the point of view of the man in the phone booth 2506 02:07:20,195 --> 02:07:21,862 who was gonna dial the number. 2507 02:07:21,862 --> 02:07:24,071 There was a point of view of Avner. 2508 02:07:24,071 --> 02:07:27,195 It's a triangle of shots. 2509 02:07:27,195 --> 02:07:29,570 Geography is one of the most important things to me, 2510 02:07:29,570 --> 02:07:31,862 so the audience isn't thrown into chaos 2511 02:07:31,862 --> 02:07:33,654 trying to figure out the story you're telling. 2512 02:07:33,654 --> 02:07:36,403 The audience needs to be clearer than you. 2513 02:07:38,779 --> 02:07:40,695 - Is the truck blocking the signal? - No. 2514 02:07:40,695 --> 02:07:42,195 Will the remote still work? 2515 02:07:42,195 --> 02:07:43,862 Spielberg: I can create suspense 2516 02:07:43,862 --> 02:07:47,237 if the audience knows where all the players are, 2517 02:07:47,237 --> 02:07:48,821 and they know what the stakes are, 2518 02:07:48,821 --> 02:07:51,112 and they know that there's a ticking clock. 2519 02:07:51,112 --> 02:07:53,487 Like the mom and daughter that get into the car 2520 02:07:53,487 --> 02:07:56,779 and then wind up returning because she forgot the glasses. 2521 02:07:56,779 --> 02:07:58,362 ( phone rings ) 2522 02:08:05,529 --> 02:08:07,071 Spielberg: The suspense of that sequence 2523 02:08:07,071 --> 02:08:09,529 is letting the audience know geographically 2524 02:08:09,529 --> 02:08:12,071 where everybody is at all times. 2525 02:08:12,071 --> 02:08:15,029 Allô? Allô? 2526 02:08:17,362 --> 02:08:18,737 Allô? 2527 02:08:22,237 --> 02:08:24,779 ( muffled sound ) 2528 02:08:27,278 --> 02:08:29,779 ( siren wailing ) 2529 02:08:37,278 --> 02:08:38,320 Stop! 2530 02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:40,821 ( whispering ) Stop, stop. Abort. 2531 02:08:44,153 --> 02:08:48,278 Kushner: You're in the hands of somebody who will always show you what you need to see 2532 02:08:48,278 --> 02:08:52,029 in order to understand, on a narrative level, what's happening. 2533 02:08:52,029 --> 02:08:54,112 And you'll also see a lot of things 2534 02:08:54,112 --> 02:08:56,695 that will help you understand on deeper levels as well. 2535 02:08:56,695 --> 02:09:02,278 And that sort of narrative device that's in his head 2536 02:09:02,278 --> 02:09:06,362 is, you know, I think almost without precedent. 2537 02:09:06,362 --> 02:09:07,987 ( phone ringing ) 2538 02:09:12,153 --> 02:09:14,195 - Oui? - Man: Mahmoud Hamshari? 2539 02:09:14,195 --> 02:09:15,362 Yes. 2540 02:09:15,362 --> 02:09:17,153 ( explosion ) 2541 02:09:22,362 --> 02:09:25,946 Kushner: We talked a great deal about the politics 2542 02:09:25,946 --> 02:09:27,987 of making a movie like this. 2543 02:09:27,987 --> 02:09:30,445 How do you make a film that allows 2544 02:09:30,445 --> 02:09:32,320 for the possibility of understanding 2545 02:09:32,320 --> 02:09:35,987 why these men who murdered the athletes 2546 02:09:35,987 --> 02:09:37,153 did what they did? 2547 02:09:37,153 --> 02:09:40,695 Not in any way to excuse it, 2548 02:09:40,695 --> 02:09:43,654 but to try and comprehend it. 2549 02:09:43,654 --> 02:09:47,362 You kill Jews, and the world feels bad for them and thinks you're animals. 2550 02:09:47,362 --> 02:09:49,821 Yes, but then the world will see 2551 02:09:49,821 --> 02:09:51,695 how they've made us into animals. 2552 02:09:51,695 --> 02:09:53,195 They'll start to ask questions 2553 02:09:53,195 --> 02:09:55,195 about the conditions in our cages. 2554 02:09:55,195 --> 02:09:58,029 Hoberman: The movie was perceived to be suffering 2555 02:09:58,029 --> 02:09:59,695 from a sense of moral equivalence, 2556 02:09:59,695 --> 02:10:03,237 which is really the bravest thing about the movie. 2557 02:10:03,237 --> 02:10:07,737 It's looking for aspects of humanity on both sides of this conflict. 2558 02:10:07,737 --> 02:10:11,362 Ambiguity is something that you don't normally associate with Spielberg's films, 2559 02:10:11,362 --> 02:10:14,570 and "Munich" is the film where he went the furthest 2560 02:10:14,570 --> 02:10:17,570 in the bluntness and the ferocity 2561 02:10:17,570 --> 02:10:19,654 with which he approached that subject. 2562 02:10:19,654 --> 02:10:21,862 Did we accomplish anything at all? 2563 02:10:21,862 --> 02:10:24,695 Every man we killed has been replaced by worse! 2564 02:10:24,695 --> 02:10:27,612 Why cut my fingernails? They'll grow back. 2565 02:10:27,612 --> 02:10:31,445 Did we kill to replace the terrorist leadership or the Palestinian leadership? 2566 02:10:31,445 --> 02:10:33,237 You tell me what we've done. 2567 02:10:33,237 --> 02:10:36,987 You killed them for the sake of a country you now choose to abandon. 2568 02:10:36,987 --> 02:10:39,403 The end of this film is not celebratory-- 2569 02:10:39,403 --> 02:10:41,445 rejoicing in the death of the enemy. 2570 02:10:41,445 --> 02:10:43,153 It is incredibly quiet, 2571 02:10:43,153 --> 02:10:44,737 and only on the second viewing 2572 02:10:44,737 --> 02:10:46,654 did I realize the Twin Towers 2573 02:10:46,654 --> 02:10:48,445 are revealed at the end. 2574 02:10:50,570 --> 02:10:52,779 Kaminski: We did several takes of that scene 2575 02:10:52,779 --> 02:10:55,403 without having that space in the frame, 2576 02:10:55,403 --> 02:10:56,904 and then we did one take 2577 02:10:56,904 --> 02:10:58,654 with having that space in the frame, 2578 02:10:58,654 --> 02:11:02,071 knowing that he would put the Towers in. 2579 02:11:02,071 --> 02:11:05,112 Steven knew that he's making a controversial movie. 2580 02:11:05,112 --> 02:11:07,112 He just didn't want to push the boundaries. 2581 02:11:07,112 --> 02:11:08,570 But then at the end, he realized, 2582 02:11:08,570 --> 02:11:10,570 "You know what? I'm already doing it. 2583 02:11:10,570 --> 02:11:14,570 Why not just go and say what I want to say, you know?" 2584 02:11:18,029 --> 02:11:21,570 Spielberg: I made the choice because I wanted people to say 2585 02:11:21,570 --> 02:11:23,445 "Munich" is the context 2586 02:11:23,445 --> 02:11:26,612 for problems that exist in today's world 2587 02:11:26,612 --> 02:11:30,195 and basically are threatening to all of us. 2588 02:11:30,195 --> 02:11:34,112 You know, history is its own reminder 2589 02:11:34,112 --> 02:11:38,278 of how bad things can get. 2590 02:11:38,278 --> 02:11:41,529 And if we don't solve these problems, 2591 02:11:41,529 --> 02:11:43,529 they accumulate. 2592 02:11:43,529 --> 02:11:45,445 And you can't-- there's no rug big enough 2593 02:11:45,445 --> 02:11:47,278 to sweep these problems under. 2594 02:11:47,278 --> 02:11:50,570 And eventually, something is going to happen. 2595 02:11:50,570 --> 02:11:53,529 And so, "Munich" is a prayer for peace, 2596 02:11:53,529 --> 02:11:55,278 but peace the hard way. 2597 02:11:55,278 --> 02:11:58,320 You know, peace by discovering within yourself 2598 02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:00,862 your moral high ground. 2599 02:12:07,112 --> 02:12:09,029 All my films come from the part of myself 2600 02:12:09,029 --> 02:12:11,112 that I really can't articulate. 2601 02:12:11,112 --> 02:12:13,946 I certainly have intuitive facilities, 2602 02:12:13,946 --> 02:12:16,821 but I don't really analyze those or don't really question them. 2603 02:12:16,821 --> 02:12:19,195 It's like looking a gift horse in the mouth, 2604 02:12:19,195 --> 02:12:22,237 and I'm almost superstitious that if I start to question that, 2605 02:12:22,237 --> 02:12:24,445 it's gonna, you know, fly away. 2606 02:12:24,445 --> 02:12:27,153 Scorsese: I don't think there's any doubt that Steven's work 2607 02:12:27,153 --> 02:12:29,779 deals with specific themes in his life, 2608 02:12:29,779 --> 02:12:33,237 which makes him a real personal filmmaker. 2609 02:12:33,237 --> 02:12:38,029 Do you understand what we are saying to you, Frank? 2610 02:12:38,029 --> 02:12:41,695 Your father and I are getting a divorce. 2611 02:12:41,695 --> 02:12:43,570 And his express through the images, 2612 02:12:43,570 --> 02:12:46,153 through the choice of story and how he deals with character. 2613 02:12:46,153 --> 02:12:48,029 ( music playing ) 2614 02:12:50,529 --> 02:12:52,403 All of Steven's sensibilities 2615 02:12:52,403 --> 02:12:56,153 were right in tune with this young man's journey. 2616 02:12:57,695 --> 02:12:59,737 You're immediately with this kid, 2617 02:12:59,737 --> 02:13:01,195 and no matter what he does, 2618 02:13:01,195 --> 02:13:03,278 you know he's searching for some way back 2619 02:13:03,278 --> 02:13:06,362 to repairing this torn household. 2620 02:13:06,362 --> 02:13:10,029 - Have you tried to call her? - No. 2621 02:13:10,029 --> 02:13:13,029 Why-- why don't you call her right now? 2622 02:13:13,029 --> 02:13:14,946 Dad, why don't you call her right now? Here. 2623 02:13:14,946 --> 02:13:16,737 Dad, just call her. 2624 02:13:16,737 --> 02:13:18,821 Call her for me. You call her. 2625 02:13:18,821 --> 02:13:21,737 You tell her I have two first-class tickets to go see her son-- 2626 02:13:21,737 --> 02:13:24,195 Your mother's married now to my friend Jack Barnes. 2627 02:13:24,195 --> 02:13:27,570 - They have a house in Long Island. - Oh, no. 2628 02:13:27,570 --> 02:13:29,403 Scott: So often in Spielberg's movies 2629 02:13:29,403 --> 02:13:31,071 the relationships that matter 2630 02:13:31,071 --> 02:13:33,612 are the relationships between parent and children 2631 02:13:33,612 --> 02:13:37,237 or members of a family or members of a community 2632 02:13:37,237 --> 02:13:40,487 bound by affection and loyalty and responsibility. 2633 02:13:40,487 --> 02:13:43,278 It's a huge theme that comes up again and again and again 2634 02:13:43,278 --> 02:13:45,570 in different phases of his own life 2635 02:13:45,570 --> 02:13:47,487 and in different stories. 2636 02:13:47,487 --> 02:13:50,112 ( tires screeching ) 2637 02:13:50,112 --> 02:13:51,862 Whoa! Hey! 2638 02:13:51,862 --> 02:13:54,071 Ronnie, hold it. Hold it. Wa-- 2639 02:13:54,071 --> 02:13:55,112 - ( tires screech ) - Hold it. 2640 02:13:57,278 --> 02:13:59,445 Spielberg: Family is a big element in my life, 2641 02:13:59,445 --> 02:14:01,445 which is why so many of my stories 2642 02:14:01,445 --> 02:14:06,987 are about separation and then reunification. 2643 02:14:06,987 --> 02:14:10,987 Even "Lincoln" is about separation and reunification. 2644 02:14:16,487 --> 02:14:18,612 ( screaming ) 2645 02:14:18,612 --> 02:14:20,112 ( gunfire ) 2646 02:14:20,112 --> 02:14:23,779 - ( sobbing ) - ( glass rattling ) 2647 02:14:23,779 --> 02:14:25,987 ( screams ) 2648 02:14:25,987 --> 02:14:27,445 Barry! 2649 02:14:27,445 --> 02:14:29,529 I've made a lot of movies 2650 02:14:29,529 --> 02:14:33,320 about a family disintegrating 2651 02:14:33,320 --> 02:14:38,112 and then a family finding common ground to reunite. 2652 02:14:38,112 --> 02:14:41,112 ( music playing ) 2653 02:14:45,362 --> 02:14:48,570 Kushner: There's a sense that everything, including the natural world, 2654 02:14:48,570 --> 02:14:52,112 conspires to pull people 2655 02:14:52,112 --> 02:14:55,237 or beings apart from one another 2656 02:14:55,237 --> 02:14:57,946 and then to return them. 2657 02:14:57,946 --> 02:14:59,570 It's like Shakespeare's romances. 2658 02:14:59,570 --> 02:15:05,570 There's a deep faith in his work that... 2659 02:15:05,570 --> 02:15:09,195 what's lost will in some way be restored. 2660 02:15:09,195 --> 02:15:11,153 And I think he is searching for that 2661 02:15:11,153 --> 02:15:14,862 in almost all the films that he's made. 2662 02:15:14,862 --> 02:15:16,821 ( piano music playing ) 2663 02:15:18,821 --> 02:15:21,237 Man: Now slowly. 2664 02:15:21,237 --> 02:15:23,112 Spielberg: My mom and dad have a relationship today 2665 02:15:23,112 --> 02:15:25,529 which a writer in a storybook 2666 02:15:25,529 --> 02:15:27,862 would be accused of exaggeration. 2667 02:15:27,862 --> 02:15:30,403 I feel very lucky that after all these years apart, 2668 02:15:30,403 --> 02:15:33,654 my parents spend quality time with each other. 2669 02:15:33,654 --> 02:15:37,195 - ( music playing ) - Nancy: If you look at the first 18 years 2670 02:15:37,195 --> 02:15:39,862 of Steve's life and now, current day, 2671 02:15:39,862 --> 02:15:42,737 you would not know that there was a huge chunk in the middle, 2672 02:15:42,737 --> 02:15:44,445 that there was a divorce and a separation, 2673 02:15:44,445 --> 02:15:47,195 a lot of tears, and another man, and another wife, 2674 02:15:47,195 --> 02:15:50,487 and, you know, it looks like we were one continuous, happy family. 2675 02:15:50,487 --> 02:15:52,570 We just lost the reels to the home movies 2676 02:15:52,570 --> 02:15:54,112 in the middle of life. 2677 02:15:54,112 --> 02:15:56,654 Now she's back in love with me. 2678 02:15:56,654 --> 02:15:57,862 Isn't that nice? 2679 02:15:57,862 --> 02:15:59,529 ( music continues ) 2680 02:15:59,529 --> 02:16:03,403 ( laughs ) Oh, Leah. 2681 02:16:05,529 --> 02:16:07,612 Janusz, it'd be a better two-shot. 2682 02:16:07,612 --> 02:16:10,570 If Dougie is here, okay, then it's not such a spread. 2683 02:16:10,570 --> 02:16:14,278 - So, it's not a single. It's over here. - No, no, it's a single. 2684 02:16:14,278 --> 02:16:17,445 When we start pulling back, Dougie comes into the shot sooner. 2685 02:16:17,445 --> 02:16:18,695 And then we continue with the move? 2686 02:16:18,695 --> 02:16:19,987 Yeah, we continue with the move, 2687 02:16:19,987 --> 02:16:21,779 but right now it looks like 2688 02:16:21,779 --> 02:16:24,195 - there's nothing in the center but the window. - Got you. 2689 02:16:24,195 --> 02:16:27,695 Hanks: Steven loves to be a part of a big gang of people 2690 02:16:27,695 --> 02:16:30,362 and the company of filmmakers who are making a movie. 2691 02:16:30,362 --> 02:16:32,695 It's a big, great club. It's a big, great family. 2692 02:16:32,695 --> 02:16:36,779 - Spielberg: Tom, action. - Kennedy: I think it defines Steven's filmmaking 2693 02:16:36,779 --> 02:16:38,445 in many, many different ways 2694 02:16:38,445 --> 02:16:42,821 because Steven is grounded and feels very safe 2695 02:16:42,821 --> 02:16:46,112 inside an environment with family. 2696 02:16:46,112 --> 02:16:48,403 He likes close relationships 2697 02:16:48,403 --> 02:16:51,737 with a few people who he trusts 2698 02:16:51,737 --> 02:16:54,278 and he can open his life up to. 2699 02:16:54,278 --> 02:16:56,612 And then he's very reluctant to have anybody leave. 2700 02:16:56,612 --> 02:16:58,779 That's it right there. It looks great. 2701 02:16:58,779 --> 02:17:00,612 Kaminski: We work for Steven. 2702 02:17:00,612 --> 02:17:03,946 He's the boss, but he encourages people with talent 2703 02:17:03,946 --> 02:17:06,654 to use the talent, to be brave with it, 2704 02:17:06,654 --> 02:17:08,153 to take risks, 2705 02:17:08,153 --> 02:17:10,695 because he wants to be stimulated as a filmmaker, 2706 02:17:10,695 --> 02:17:12,987 but those who he works with, you know. 2707 02:17:12,987 --> 02:17:15,403 And that's a really good quality in a filmmaker. 2708 02:17:15,403 --> 02:17:17,320 Muren: He's very collaborative. 2709 02:17:17,320 --> 02:17:19,320 He uses his people over and over again on the films 2710 02:17:19,320 --> 02:17:21,487 because we already speak a shorthand to each other. 2711 02:17:21,487 --> 02:17:23,946 - We've all worked together. - And they'd come on to full size... 2712 02:17:23,946 --> 02:17:25,904 Williams: He understands that people and can serve him 2713 02:17:25,904 --> 02:17:28,362 and how to synchronize his wishes with your own. 2714 02:17:28,362 --> 02:17:30,195 He would've made a great general. 2715 02:17:30,195 --> 02:17:32,445 Day-Lewis: If you could say that a film unit 2716 02:17:32,445 --> 02:17:35,153 can be like a Special Forces film crew, 2717 02:17:35,153 --> 02:17:36,529 that's what he has. 2718 02:17:36,529 --> 02:17:39,153 His team works so fast, 2719 02:17:39,153 --> 02:17:42,612 so hard getting through a lot every day. 2720 02:17:42,612 --> 02:17:44,403 Everybody on their feet, applauding. 2721 02:17:44,403 --> 02:17:45,987 Day-Lewis: And I think you could come to grief 2722 02:17:45,987 --> 02:17:47,862 very, very quickly on Steven's set 2723 02:17:47,862 --> 02:17:49,821 if you weren't very well prepared. 2724 02:17:49,821 --> 02:17:51,195 Everyone has to be. 2725 02:17:51,195 --> 02:17:53,487 And that creates incredible energy. 2726 02:17:53,487 --> 02:17:56,445 ( music playing ) 2727 02:17:56,445 --> 02:18:00,112 Spielberg: I work with my peeps, and I have for decades. 2728 02:18:00,112 --> 02:18:02,153 I mean, I don't know what I would do without them. 2729 02:18:02,153 --> 02:18:05,237 Roll sound. Roll! 2730 02:18:05,237 --> 02:18:06,654 ( chatter ) 2731 02:18:06,654 --> 02:18:09,112 Spielberg: I can't really have sanity 2732 02:18:09,112 --> 02:18:11,695 unless I have familiarity. 2733 02:18:11,695 --> 02:18:13,612 And it's just an extraordinary family 2734 02:18:13,612 --> 02:18:16,737 that I've been able to assemble over all these years. 2735 02:18:16,737 --> 02:18:19,195 Kahn: I love being part of his tapestry, 2736 02:18:19,195 --> 02:18:21,445 so to speak, you know, like "Fiddler on the Roof." 2737 02:18:21,445 --> 02:18:24,654 ♪ After 37 years, it's nice to know... ♪ You know? 2738 02:18:24,654 --> 02:18:27,529 Spielberg: Michael Kahn and I are blood brothers. 2739 02:18:27,529 --> 02:18:30,195 He started with me on "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," 2740 02:18:30,195 --> 02:18:34,695 and except for one time, he's edited every movie I made since then. 2741 02:18:34,695 --> 02:18:37,862 Janusz Kaminski has done everything since "Schindler's List." 2742 02:18:37,862 --> 02:18:41,862 But John Williams is my oldest collaboration, 2743 02:18:41,862 --> 02:18:45,487 and I depend on Johnny more than I've depended on anybody 2744 02:18:45,487 --> 02:18:47,946 to rewrite my movies musically 2745 02:18:47,946 --> 02:18:51,904 and put them a rung higher than I ever could reach. 2746 02:18:51,904 --> 02:18:54,445 You know, if I had to go back and recast 2747 02:18:54,445 --> 02:18:57,570 the creative team surrounding me, 2748 02:18:57,570 --> 02:19:00,987 I wouldn't be able to work as often as I do. 2749 02:19:00,987 --> 02:19:02,403 It'd be impossible. 2750 02:19:04,904 --> 02:19:08,029 Kennedy: Steven looks at movies constantly 2751 02:19:08,029 --> 02:19:10,320 and over and over and over again, 2752 02:19:10,320 --> 02:19:14,153 referencing shots and framing and ideas. 2753 02:19:14,153 --> 02:19:16,862 That's something Steven does all the time. 2754 02:19:16,862 --> 02:19:18,403 ( boat horn blaring ) 2755 02:19:20,695 --> 02:19:23,403 Spielberg: Great filmmakers' works live on to create 2756 02:19:23,403 --> 02:19:26,904 tremendous moments of inspiration. 2757 02:19:26,904 --> 02:19:29,737 And so, one of the films I still see every year 2758 02:19:29,737 --> 02:19:31,654 is "Lawrence of Arabia." 2759 02:19:31,654 --> 02:19:33,612 ( music playing ) 2760 02:19:39,612 --> 02:19:42,695 The shots, the sheer vistas, 2761 02:19:42,695 --> 02:19:46,029 and the portrait of such a complex character, 2762 02:19:46,029 --> 02:19:48,153 it's pure moviemaking. 2763 02:19:48,153 --> 02:19:49,737 Hey! 2764 02:19:49,737 --> 02:19:53,278 Hey! Hey! Hey! 2765 02:20:00,029 --> 02:20:01,946 Who are you? 2766 02:20:03,987 --> 02:20:06,987 Who are you? 2767 02:20:06,987 --> 02:20:08,695 Steven has always wanted to work 2768 02:20:08,695 --> 02:20:12,320 in a kind of big, you know, historical canvass like that, 2769 02:20:12,320 --> 02:20:15,112 and it took many movies before he accomplished 2770 02:20:15,112 --> 02:20:19,112 that level of masterly filmmaking. 2771 02:20:19,112 --> 02:20:21,821 Spielberg: Many years ago, Pauline Kael gave me a really great review 2772 02:20:21,821 --> 02:20:23,987 on "Sugarland Express," but she said, 2773 02:20:23,987 --> 02:20:26,570 "Whatever's on the surface might be all that is there. 2774 02:20:26,570 --> 02:20:28,071 There may be nothing behind that." 2775 02:20:28,071 --> 02:20:30,320 And she was absolutely right. 2776 02:20:30,320 --> 02:20:33,695 I hadn't grown up yet through the movies. 2777 02:20:33,695 --> 02:20:35,862 That was going to come in time. 2778 02:20:35,862 --> 02:20:38,112 ( music playing ) 2779 02:20:42,362 --> 02:20:46,153 Maslin: Take a look at what he's done over close to 50 years. 2780 02:20:48,612 --> 02:20:51,112 There's certainly a lot of variety. 2781 02:20:53,320 --> 02:20:57,612 There are some things he's done that haven't worked, 2782 02:20:57,612 --> 02:21:00,654 but there is absolutely nobody like him 2783 02:21:00,654 --> 02:21:03,529 and no film career trajectory 2784 02:21:03,529 --> 02:21:07,237 that is anything like his in the history of film. 2785 02:21:07,237 --> 02:21:11,362 He speaks cinema as if it's his native language. 2786 02:21:11,362 --> 02:21:14,153 He is so fluent in it that he does things 2787 02:21:14,153 --> 02:21:16,195 that nobody else would dare to do 2788 02:21:16,195 --> 02:21:18,612 and they are instantly recognizable 2789 02:21:18,612 --> 02:21:21,737 as things that are purely his. 2790 02:21:21,737 --> 02:21:25,695 Scorsese: He has a dynamic sense of real filmmaking. 2791 02:21:25,695 --> 02:21:27,403 I'm talking about filmmaking of-- 2792 02:21:27,403 --> 02:21:30,362 in the great narrative tradition of American cinema. 2793 02:21:30,362 --> 02:21:31,529 ( distant explosion ) 2794 02:21:31,529 --> 02:21:32,946 Coppola: Steven was blessed 2795 02:21:32,946 --> 02:21:35,237 in that he could be commercial 2796 02:21:35,237 --> 02:21:37,112 and he could do art. 2797 02:21:37,112 --> 02:21:39,403 That's why I always compare him 2798 02:21:39,403 --> 02:21:40,987 to a kind of George Gershwin, 2799 02:21:40,987 --> 02:21:43,570 because Gershwin could write a Broadway show 2800 02:21:43,570 --> 02:21:45,987 or he could write "Concerto in F." 2801 02:21:45,987 --> 02:21:48,737 He could both, and very few people can do both. 2802 02:21:48,737 --> 02:21:50,612 And Steven can do both. 2803 02:21:50,612 --> 02:21:53,570 And that's a talent you have to be born with. 2804 02:21:56,071 --> 02:21:57,862 DiCaprio: You think of that young kid in Arizona, 2805 02:21:57,862 --> 02:21:59,237 in the desert, watching movies, 2806 02:21:59,237 --> 02:22:01,445 watching television incessantly, 2807 02:22:01,445 --> 02:22:04,612 one day sneaking his way into a studio, 2808 02:22:04,612 --> 02:22:06,904 and manifesting his own destiny. 2809 02:22:06,904 --> 02:22:09,737 It's a pretty fantastic Hollywood story. 2810 02:22:11,612 --> 02:22:14,487 J.J. Abrams: He's found a way to take his view of the world, 2811 02:22:14,487 --> 02:22:19,153 his wishful thinking, his optimism, 2812 02:22:19,153 --> 02:22:23,237 and also his uncanny sense of the thrill, 2813 02:22:23,237 --> 02:22:24,946 and sort of galvanize the whole thing 2814 02:22:24,946 --> 02:22:27,737 into whatever the story is he's telling. 2815 02:22:27,737 --> 02:22:30,112 It's authentically him. 2816 02:22:32,737 --> 02:22:34,612 Field: Steven has a part of him 2817 02:22:34,612 --> 02:22:36,612 that wants to see something good 2818 02:22:36,612 --> 02:22:38,320 in the darkest of the dark 2819 02:22:38,320 --> 02:22:41,112 or that wants to just have a playtime. 2820 02:22:45,654 --> 02:22:48,987 And there may be people who say he's not edgy enough 2821 02:22:48,987 --> 02:22:53,112 or he's not bitter enough, he's not quirky enough, 2822 02:22:53,112 --> 02:22:55,612 or he's not dark enough, 2823 02:22:55,612 --> 02:22:58,821 but when it's all over and said and done, 2824 02:22:58,821 --> 02:23:02,821 what Steven has left is enormous. 2825 02:23:04,487 --> 02:23:07,987 To have both humor and suspense 2826 02:23:07,987 --> 02:23:10,529 and adventure and heart 2827 02:23:10,529 --> 02:23:14,320 through his grand eyes of storytelling 2828 02:23:14,320 --> 02:23:17,737 is a hell of a good thing. 2829 02:23:17,737 --> 02:23:21,612 Day-Lewis: Steven still has an enormous appetite 2830 02:23:21,612 --> 02:23:23,821 for the work that he does. 2831 02:23:23,821 --> 02:23:26,071 It's quite a rare thing. 2832 02:23:26,071 --> 02:23:29,487 You know, we all have, probably, a shelf life. 2833 02:23:31,487 --> 02:23:34,737 Yes, we probably go past that shelf life, 2834 02:23:34,737 --> 02:23:37,904 most of us, without even knowing it. 2835 02:23:37,904 --> 02:23:42,362 But in his case, I think, till the day he dies, he'll be doing work 2836 02:23:42,362 --> 02:23:47,695 that he feels absolutely viscerally compelled to do. 2837 02:23:55,529 --> 02:23:58,403 ( music playing ) 247442

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