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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,740 --> 00:00:09,937 In 1977, I made a documentary about The Rutles. 2 00:00:10,110 --> 00:00:14,411 The prefab four: Dirk, Nasty, Stig and Bary. 3 00:00:14,581 --> 00:00:17,312 It made quite a splash. 4 00:00:19,319 --> 00:00:22,880 Today, I'm here in Hollywood to take a look back at The Rutles... 5 00:00:23,056 --> 00:00:26,720 ...to look back on those mop-topping, foot-tapping, happy-go-lucky days... 6 00:00:26,894 --> 00:00:29,124 ...of Rutle-mania and ask the question: 7 00:00:29,296 --> 00:00:31,230 "Where are we today?" 8 00:00:31,398 --> 00:00:34,163 Well, obviously, I'm here in Hollywood... 9 00:00:34,334 --> 00:00:36,530 ...and you're at home or at a friend's... 10 00:00:36,703 --> 00:00:39,172 ...or at Veronica's or wherever you're watching. 11 00:00:39,339 --> 00:00:41,171 But tonight, I want to pose the question: 12 00:00:41,341 --> 00:00:43,639 "Did The Rutles change the world... 13 00:00:43,810 --> 00:00:46,302 ...or did the world change with The Rutles? 14 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:49,347 Or did The Rutles not change and the world did? 15 00:00:49,516 --> 00:00:52,577 Or perhaps we should all go and change now." 16 00:00:52,753 --> 00:00:55,916 Tonight, I'm going to be asking deep and probing questions. 17 00:00:56,089 --> 00:00:58,490 I shall be using modern interviewing techniques... 18 00:00:58,659 --> 00:01:02,653 ...to harass and badger people whose only fault was they knew The Rutles. 19 00:01:02,829 --> 00:01:05,059 Indeed, I should be making a documentary... 20 00:01:05,232 --> 00:01:07,599 ...that will hopefully bring me a bloody Emmy. 21 00:01:07,768 --> 00:01:10,100 Oh, for heaven's sake, come back here. 22 00:01:44,338 --> 00:01:46,102 Yes, tonight... 23 00:01:46,273 --> 00:01:49,208 ...we tell The Rutles' story. The full-- 24 00:01:49,376 --> 00:01:52,505 -Jesus Christ! -Oh, I'm sorry, lady. 25 00:01:53,413 --> 00:01:56,144 -You better-- -What--? Get the hell out of my house! 26 00:01:56,316 --> 00:01:58,648 -Seriously, we're doing a documentary. -Who cares? 27 00:02:00,988 --> 00:02:03,753 -This man right here? -Yes, this man right here. You creep. 28 00:02:03,924 --> 00:02:05,551 All right, ma'am. Calm down. 29 00:02:05,726 --> 00:02:08,320 All right, you, what's the story? 30 00:02:08,495 --> 00:02:12,193 Well, it all began in England in the 1950s. 31 00:02:12,366 --> 00:02:15,961 In the 1950s in England, popular music was very boring. 32 00:02:16,136 --> 00:02:19,333 In fact, everything in England in the 1950s was very boring... 33 00:02:19,506 --> 00:02:23,340 ...but popular music was particularly boring. There were The MacGuffins. 34 00:02:24,711 --> 00:02:26,440 There was Nigel Pap. 35 00:02:26,647 --> 00:02:29,617 There was Jimmy Glimmer, “The Wallasey Warbler." 36 00:02:29,850 --> 00:02:32,717 There was Vera Pickles, “The Singing Granny." 37 00:02:32,886 --> 00:02:35,355 A large frog. 38 00:02:35,522 --> 00:02:38,719 The Rutles had been playing together from quite an early age. 39 00:02:53,106 --> 00:02:56,565 When they grew up, some people believed they changed the world. 40 00:03:01,815 --> 00:03:03,374 The Rutles changed the world. 41 00:03:04,751 --> 00:03:06,185 They completely changed the world. 42 00:03:07,554 --> 00:03:10,080 They changed the face of music throughout the world. 43 00:03:11,458 --> 00:03:12,448 They changed the world. 44 00:03:13,460 --> 00:03:14,450 They changed the world. 45 00:03:15,629 --> 00:03:17,256 Absolutely, they changed the world. 46 00:03:18,598 --> 00:03:19,588 They never changed socks. 47 00:03:31,978 --> 00:03:36,506 - I think the best thing was their asses. -Their bums, as you call them in England. 48 00:03:36,683 --> 00:03:40,085 These are four young men in their prime, wearing very tight trousers. 49 00:03:41,688 --> 00:03:45,625 They created, I think, the best music before ABBA. 50 00:03:50,897 --> 00:03:52,387 A lot of bands at the time... 51 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,630 ...were trying to sing like American boys, like American boy groups. 52 00:03:57,804 --> 00:04:00,899 The Rutles, I felt, were trying to sing like American girl groups. 53 00:04:01,074 --> 00:04:03,168 Essentially, they were black girls. 54 00:04:04,277 --> 00:04:06,712 Before I heard The Rutles, I wanted to be a musician. 55 00:04:08,048 --> 00:04:09,777 -And afterwards? - I didn't anymore. 56 00:04:14,855 --> 00:04:17,688 I shall be doing my new album, probably, starting next week. 57 00:04:17,858 --> 00:04:20,156 I've been working very hard on the material for it. 58 00:04:21,495 --> 00:04:25,125 I'm probably writing better than I've ever written, but terribly excited. 59 00:04:25,298 --> 00:04:27,528 And who was your favourite Rutle? 60 00:04:28,835 --> 00:04:31,327 It's not about my album, this show? 61 00:04:31,505 --> 00:04:35,203 No, actually. This is about The Rutles. 62 00:04:40,347 --> 00:04:44,250 There wasn't any real personal rivalry between The Rutles and the Stones. 63 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,184 We were quite, you know-- Later on-- You know, met each other. 64 00:04:50,357 --> 00:04:54,487 But even at the beginning-- But people like to make it like that, you know. 65 00:04:54,661 --> 00:04:57,596 We were the South's answer to The Rutles. 66 00:04:57,764 --> 00:05:00,790 And when we go to Preston, we'd-- 67 00:05:00,967 --> 00:05:02,332 People would boo us... 68 00:05:02,502 --> 00:05:05,164 ...because we weren't from the North like The Rutles were. 69 00:05:05,338 --> 00:05:07,102 Or the South was very proud of us... 70 00:05:07,274 --> 00:05:10,266 ...because they had got something to combat Rutles with. 71 00:05:14,748 --> 00:05:18,309 I mean, The Rutles took us through the latter part of the '60s. 72 00:05:18,485 --> 00:05:20,510 They took a generation by the hand and said: 73 00:05:20,687 --> 00:05:21,950 "Come, let's learn history. 74 00:05:23,290 --> 00:05:25,315 Let's take the Tragical History Tour. 75 00:05:25,492 --> 00:05:27,688 Let us walk down Shabby Road together. 76 00:05:29,296 --> 00:05:30,491 Let us join up... 77 00:05:32,032 --> 00:05:33,466 ...in Sergeant Rutters' band." 78 00:05:34,234 --> 00:05:36,794 And I don't know where we would have been without them. 79 00:05:39,739 --> 00:05:41,673 Twenty-three years ago today-- 80 00:05:41,842 --> 00:05:43,810 Well, not today, I mean... 81 00:05:43,977 --> 00:05:48,175 ...more like 23 years and a bit. Actually, it sort of depends when you watch this. 82 00:05:48,348 --> 00:05:51,079 But anyway, about a quarter of a century ago... 83 00:05:51,251 --> 00:05:53,583 ...I came here to this very spot... 84 00:05:53,753 --> 00:05:55,881 ...in front of The Plaza in New York... 85 00:05:56,056 --> 00:05:58,616 ...to make a documentary about The Rutles. 86 00:05:58,792 --> 00:06:01,625 I'm actually standing outside the actual hotel... 87 00:06:01,795 --> 00:06:05,561 ...in which The Rutles actually stayed in 1964. 88 00:06:05,732 --> 00:06:09,794 Actually, in this room here. And it was actually inside... 89 00:06:09,970 --> 00:06:14,498 ...this actual room 13 years before the 23 years before. 90 00:06:14,674 --> 00:06:18,008 So that's, like, 36 years ago. 91 00:06:18,178 --> 00:06:21,478 About 30 years ago today they-- Well, not today. 92 00:06:21,648 --> 00:06:24,242 Then, when it was 30 years ago... 93 00:06:24,417 --> 00:06:26,977 ...they stayed here in The Plaza... 94 00:06:27,153 --> 00:06:30,521 ...when they first took New York City by storm. 95 00:06:30,690 --> 00:06:34,183 Look out! They're coming! They're coming! It's Rutles Day! 96 00:06:36,229 --> 00:06:39,096 It's Rutles Day. This is Bill Murray the "K," coming to you out of the WC. 97 00:06:40,433 --> 00:06:43,562 Nobody wants to know anything but when will The Rutles be here. 98 00:06:43,737 --> 00:06:46,069 They've just flown in, they've landed, they're in. 99 00:06:46,239 --> 00:06:48,298 They're in. They're at Kennedy Airport. 100 00:07:00,053 --> 00:07:01,452 Wonderful to be here. 101 00:07:01,621 --> 00:07:04,090 -Did you have a good flight? -Wonderful flight. 102 00:07:04,257 --> 00:07:05,782 Arms are a bit tired. 103 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:07,893 Why do you wear tight trousers? 104 00:07:08,061 --> 00:07:10,325 -Keep the legs warm. -To hide the knees. 105 00:07:10,497 --> 00:07:12,898 - I can't hear you. -Where did you get your hair cut? 106 00:07:13,066 --> 00:07:15,125 Shut up a minute. Shut up. 107 00:07:15,302 --> 00:07:16,929 The Rutles invented rudeness. 108 00:07:17,103 --> 00:07:19,663 -Shut up! -Well, I think the Americans... 109 00:07:19,839 --> 00:07:24,003 ...took a moment to get used to the Rutles, because America's very polite. 110 00:07:25,412 --> 00:07:29,747 And so these yobs coming off the plane and being rude to everyone... 111 00:07:29,916 --> 00:07:32,510 ...they took a moment to get the point of that. 112 00:07:32,686 --> 00:07:36,122 They're here. What can I say? I'm going to put on my wig. Hold it. 113 00:07:36,289 --> 00:07:39,782 It's Rutles wig time. That can mean only one thing. We want a record. 114 00:07:51,838 --> 00:07:55,900 I can't even keep my wig on straight. I've gotta twist and rock. 115 00:07:59,446 --> 00:08:01,574 -How about that, then? -What's he saying? 116 00:08:01,748 --> 00:08:05,446 They said to me, "Bill Murray the 'K,' we want to meet the American girls. 117 00:08:05,618 --> 00:08:07,916 We're coming over to meet the American girls. " 118 00:08:13,326 --> 00:08:15,727 Wait. I got an idea. I'm going to say a word. 119 00:08:17,063 --> 00:08:19,555 I'll say a word. I want you to react to whatever it is. 120 00:08:19,733 --> 00:08:22,896 What do you say when I say the word "Dirk"? 121 00:08:23,069 --> 00:08:25,561 I got to go now, because I gotta sleep. Okay? 122 00:08:25,739 --> 00:08:28,606 I've been a big fan of Dirk's. I always had a crush on him. 123 00:08:28,775 --> 00:08:30,436 How about Nasty? 124 00:08:30,610 --> 00:08:34,843 I had floor-to-ceiling pictures of Nasty. 125 00:08:35,015 --> 00:08:37,416 And I had his picture on my pillowcase... 126 00:08:37,584 --> 00:08:41,384 ...and I would lick it or kiss it and cry with it before I would go to sleep. 127 00:08:41,554 --> 00:08:43,921 Yeah, dig it, baby. What about a guy named Stig? 128 00:08:44,090 --> 00:08:46,855 -How come you never say anything? -He's the quiet one. 129 00:08:47,027 --> 00:08:49,325 Yeah, he's the quiet one. He's a dark horse, he is. 130 00:08:49,496 --> 00:08:53,057 I was very, very fond of Stig. Liked him the best... 131 00:08:53,233 --> 00:08:57,192 ...because I loved the way he played. I loved his length. 132 00:08:57,370 --> 00:08:58,860 -Excuse me? -His length. 133 00:08:59,039 --> 00:09:00,905 All right, The Rutles. The Rutles-- 134 00:09:01,074 --> 00:09:04,442 What do you mean? What word could I possibly have forgotten? 135 00:09:04,611 --> 00:09:06,636 I said "Dirk," I said "Nasty"... 136 00:09:06,813 --> 00:09:08,474 ...and I said "Stig." 137 00:09:08,648 --> 00:09:11,618 You don't mean "Bary," do you? 138 00:09:11,818 --> 00:09:14,753 To start off loving Bary, especially when you're young-- 139 00:09:14,921 --> 00:09:17,117 There's just something funny about him. 140 00:09:17,290 --> 00:09:18,553 He was the funny drummer. 141 00:09:18,725 --> 00:09:20,454 Oh, my God. Bary... 142 00:09:20,627 --> 00:09:23,324 Not a good-looking man, and yet the women were screaming. 143 00:09:24,898 --> 00:09:28,960 I was hoping, when I was of age and got out behind my mother's apron strings... 144 00:09:29,135 --> 00:09:31,797 ...that I could sleep with some of them as soon as I could. 145 00:09:31,971 --> 00:09:34,668 I think it's the kind of thing that rightfully... 146 00:09:35,442 --> 00:09:37,774 ...should have been kept off The Ed Sullivan Show. 147 00:09:37,944 --> 00:09:40,709 Ladies and gentlemen, The Rutles. Let's hear it for them. 148 00:10:16,382 --> 00:10:20,341 A lot of us saw them for the first time when they played The Ed Sullivan Show. 149 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,184 I saw The Rutles' first appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show. 150 00:10:24,357 --> 00:10:26,416 It was a cultural phenomenon. 151 00:10:26,593 --> 00:10:29,654 I saw them first, I think, on The Ed Sullivan Show. 152 00:10:29,829 --> 00:10:33,094 And, you know-- I mean, I was captivated... 153 00:10:33,266 --> 00:10:36,566 ...and just short of being turned-on. 154 00:10:43,443 --> 00:10:45,207 I thought, "My gosh... 155 00:10:45,378 --> 00:10:47,972 ...I'm going to do most of my hair like that." 156 00:10:48,148 --> 00:10:50,014 And that's what I did. 157 00:10:50,183 --> 00:10:53,813 So through high school, I had this side of my hair like The Rutles... 158 00:10:53,987 --> 00:10:56,786 ...and this side was short... 159 00:10:56,956 --> 00:11:00,085 ...because they didn't like long hair in the schools. 160 00:11:00,260 --> 00:11:02,194 So I would sit like this in school. 161 00:11:02,362 --> 00:11:04,797 But then outside the school, I would go like that. 162 00:11:04,964 --> 00:11:06,864 A lot of people thought I looked like Dirk. 163 00:11:12,172 --> 00:11:14,300 But how did The Rutles get to number one? 164 00:11:15,875 --> 00:11:18,537 Ron Nasty had been born in 1940... 165 00:11:18,711 --> 00:11:22,079 ...and raised by his uncle, a well-known Liverpool ventriloquist. 166 00:11:22,248 --> 00:11:24,114 Who's a pretty boy, then? 167 00:11:24,284 --> 00:11:26,343 He was a very sensitive boy... 168 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:28,385 ...whose only fault was violence. 169 00:11:28,555 --> 00:11:31,957 At the age of 6, he blew up his local school. 170 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,421 It was a cry for help, really, when you look at it truthfully. 171 00:11:37,597 --> 00:11:41,465 I mean, it's quite common in young children, in boys, particularly. 172 00:11:43,069 --> 00:11:45,197 It's sheer high spirits, you know? 173 00:11:45,371 --> 00:11:48,705 -At 6? -It's normal adolescent stuff. 174 00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:51,867 So how did he channel this aggression? 175 00:11:52,045 --> 00:11:54,139 He took up the banjo. 176 00:11:55,014 --> 00:11:58,450 The banjo is the perfect instrument for the antisocial. 177 00:11:58,618 --> 00:12:00,313 Steve, you play the banjo. 178 00:12:00,486 --> 00:12:03,854 -Yes, I do. -And would you play something for us? 179 00:12:04,023 --> 00:12:05,957 Oh, sure. I'd be happy to. 180 00:12:14,367 --> 00:12:16,893 I'm sorry, would you play a Rutle tune? 181 00:12:17,070 --> 00:12:19,471 No. No. 182 00:12:20,573 --> 00:12:23,235 He was always playing with his little banjo... 183 00:12:23,409 --> 00:12:25,434 ...day and night, just strumming away. 184 00:12:25,612 --> 00:12:28,741 Sometimes locked in the bathroom, you know... 185 00:12:28,915 --> 00:12:32,283 ...for hours, just playing with it. If you know what I mean. 186 00:12:32,452 --> 00:12:34,216 Yes, yes, I think I-- 187 00:12:34,387 --> 00:12:37,049 Rubbing away until he had something to show for it. 188 00:12:37,223 --> 00:12:39,453 -Yes, yes. -You know what young boys are like. 189 00:12:39,626 --> 00:12:42,425 I mean, they're constantly, constantly playing with it. 190 00:12:42,595 --> 00:12:46,623 -Yes, I think we get your drift. -Rub, rub, rub. 191 00:12:48,234 --> 00:12:50,225 Yes, thank you. 192 00:12:51,638 --> 00:12:52,730 Shut up. 193 00:12:57,076 --> 00:12:59,408 At first, they couldn't decide on their name. 194 00:12:59,579 --> 00:13:03,209 They were The Silver Rutles, The Ruts, The Tuls, The Sluts... 195 00:13:03,383 --> 00:13:07,479 ...even Alma Cogan before finally becoming The Rutles. 196 00:13:07,654 --> 00:13:10,885 Ron Nasty, an ex-banjo player of no fixed ability. 197 00:13:11,391 --> 00:13:14,088 Dirk McQuickly, a left-footed guitarist. 198 00:13:14,260 --> 00:13:17,127 Stig O'Hara, a very thin man. 199 00:13:17,297 --> 00:13:21,234 And Bar ring ton Wumble, or, as he was better known, Bary Wom. 200 00:13:21,401 --> 00:13:23,062 The Rutles were still very bad. 201 00:13:23,236 --> 00:13:25,330 And there was only one place they could play... 202 00:13:25,505 --> 00:13:27,599 ...and that was Hamburg. 203 00:13:29,309 --> 00:13:33,212 There was only one place they could play, and that was Hamburg. 204 00:13:36,382 --> 00:13:38,544 And that was Hamburg. 205 00:13:38,718 --> 00:13:41,813 And it was here in Hamburg that The Rutles would discover leather... 206 00:13:43,156 --> 00:13:44,646 ...amphetamines and shagging. 207 00:13:50,029 --> 00:13:52,760 Hamburg sowed the germs of their popularity. 208 00:13:52,932 --> 00:13:58,371 Indeed, one might almost say, sowed the Germans of their popularity. 209 00:14:00,673 --> 00:14:03,699 Astro Glide, a German photographer, who took these shots... 210 00:14:03,876 --> 00:14:07,972 ...gave The Rutles their mop-top haircuts and put them into leather trousers. 211 00:14:08,548 --> 00:14:12,451 Yes, I made them very, very tight leather trousers because you want to see-- 212 00:14:14,053 --> 00:14:17,785 Everybody wants to see their, how you say: 213 00:14:17,957 --> 00:14:20,392 -Talent? -Yeah, the balls. 214 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,324 Yeah, it's very: 215 00:14:23,730 --> 00:14:25,994 -Disgusting? -Yeah, exciting. 216 00:14:26,199 --> 00:14:31,137 You know, I mean I hate to, you know, blow my own-- I wish I could, but... 217 00:14:31,938 --> 00:14:33,702 I came up with the trousers. 218 00:14:33,873 --> 00:14:36,171 And they're very, very tight. 219 00:14:36,342 --> 00:14:39,903 And that was important because, you know, they had to wear something. 220 00:14:40,079 --> 00:14:42,514 But it's as if they weren't wearing anything. 221 00:14:42,682 --> 00:14:44,582 They played the Rat Keller... 222 00:14:44,751 --> 00:14:46,879 ...in the heart of the ancient hooker district. 223 00:14:47,053 --> 00:14:48,851 Ancient hookers were everywhere. 224 00:14:51,290 --> 00:14:55,227 Hans Hankie is a German rockologist who came from Hamburg... 225 00:14:55,395 --> 00:14:58,592 ...who has studied The Rutles and their effect on the world... 226 00:14:58,765 --> 00:15:00,995 ...through his work as a rockologist. 227 00:15:12,111 --> 00:15:15,046 That was Hitler's design for a plane called the Shtupa... 228 00:15:15,214 --> 00:15:19,310 ...which was designed to drop large penises on the enemy. 229 00:15:19,485 --> 00:15:20,748 Screaming penises. 230 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,084 The Shtupa would fall from the sky dropping penises. 231 00:15:25,258 --> 00:15:27,283 But they changed it to the Shtuka... 232 00:15:27,460 --> 00:15:29,258 ...because they are afraid... 233 00:15:29,429 --> 00:15:33,423 ...because Hitler only had one ball and Goring had no balls at all, and that-- 234 00:15:33,599 --> 00:15:35,829 Hans, what about The Rutles? 235 00:15:36,002 --> 00:15:38,494 Oh, the Fräuleins. Crazy for them. 236 00:15:38,671 --> 00:15:40,400 Yelling at them: 237 00:15:41,641 --> 00:15:43,700 Which sounds like, "I want dick." 238 00:15:43,876 --> 00:15:46,538 But no, it means, "I love you. I love you." 239 00:15:46,712 --> 00:15:49,579 And they loved them. More than just love, they wanted-- 240 00:15:52,785 --> 00:15:55,948 Thank you very much indeed for agreeing to talk to us today. 241 00:15:56,122 --> 00:15:59,615 Oh, it's great to talk with you, and will the check clear? 242 00:15:59,792 --> 00:16:02,625 It'll be a small one from the BBC. 243 00:16:02,795 --> 00:16:06,459 Oh, BBC. I remember listening to them as a child. 244 00:16:06,632 --> 00:16:08,657 "The chicken has lips." 245 00:16:08,835 --> 00:16:13,773 We would hear your broadcast-- "The fox is in a nightgown. 246 00:16:13,940 --> 00:16:17,376 I repeat, the fox is in a nightgown." 247 00:16:18,177 --> 00:16:21,044 You crazy people. I wonder how you won the war... 248 00:16:21,214 --> 00:16:23,876 ...with these strange riddles you're broadcasting. 249 00:16:24,050 --> 00:16:26,451 But yet the French blew up a train afterwards. 250 00:16:26,619 --> 00:16:30,886 I remember my uncle said, "The fox is in a nightgown," and the train blew up. 251 00:16:31,457 --> 00:16:32,822 Yeah, I have bad memories. 252 00:16:34,227 --> 00:16:36,662 So with their haircuts and their trousers... 253 00:16:36,829 --> 00:16:39,526 ...The Rutles returned home to The Cavern. 254 00:16:39,699 --> 00:16:42,191 One day, a strange man with a pronounced limp... 255 00:16:42,368 --> 00:16:44,530 ...hopped down the stairs into The Cavern. 256 00:16:44,704 --> 00:16:46,331 He'd been asking a sailor for-- 257 00:16:46,506 --> 00:16:50,340 Well, never mind what he was asking for, because the rest is history. 258 00:16:50,510 --> 00:16:54,674 The man who hopped down the stairs became Leggy. their legendary manager. 259 00:16:54,847 --> 00:16:57,339 You remember The Cavern? There was only one doorway. 260 00:16:57,517 --> 00:16:59,542 When somebody opened the door, light came in. 261 00:17:01,187 --> 00:17:03,622 I saw this dark apparition, strange apparition. 262 00:17:03,789 --> 00:17:05,257 Leggy was a strange man. 263 00:17:05,958 --> 00:17:07,653 Even in profile he was strange. 264 00:17:07,827 --> 00:17:10,421 Leggy. at the beginning, would walk around saying: 265 00:17:10,596 --> 00:17:14,157 "The Rutles are gonna be bigger than Elvis." And he'd be laughed at. 266 00:17:14,333 --> 00:17:16,233 He was laughed at because of how he walked. 267 00:17:16,402 --> 00:17:18,700 So he walked into these meetings at a disadvantage. 268 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:23,009 When he said, "My band will be bigger than Elvis," they laughed... 269 00:17:23,175 --> 00:17:25,576 ...all the more heartily. But he was right, of course. 270 00:17:25,745 --> 00:17:27,975 I asked all the roadies who this guy was. 271 00:17:28,147 --> 00:17:32,175 They told me he was Leggy Mountbatten, and he was gonna manage The Rutles. 272 00:17:32,351 --> 00:17:36,413 But everybody knew that he didn't really like music. 273 00:17:36,622 --> 00:17:40,354 -So, what did he really like? -He loved the trousers. 274 00:17:51,437 --> 00:17:54,805 I was amazed that they could sing in trousers so tight. 275 00:17:56,475 --> 00:17:58,534 They did sing high. 276 00:18:03,849 --> 00:18:05,317 It was the trousers. 277 00:18:05,484 --> 00:18:07,077 I know it was the trousers. 278 00:18:07,253 --> 00:18:08,687 And I went out... 279 00:18:08,854 --> 00:18:13,485 ...and I bought women's extra-small trousers. 280 00:18:13,659 --> 00:18:16,594 These were trousers that were meant for a little girl. 281 00:18:16,762 --> 00:18:19,129 They were-- They were pink. 282 00:18:19,298 --> 00:18:23,030 And I buttered my legs, and I squeezed into these trousers... 283 00:18:23,202 --> 00:18:26,467 ...so that you could just-- Nothing was left to the imagination. 284 00:18:27,073 --> 00:18:29,098 And let's just say... 285 00:18:29,275 --> 00:18:31,972 ...my love life improved dramatically... 286 00:18:32,612 --> 00:18:35,013 ...several years after I put those trousers on. 287 00:18:50,429 --> 00:18:52,420 The Rutles were now legends. 288 00:18:52,598 --> 00:18:54,965 At the Lunchtime Achievement Awards... 289 00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:58,069 ...they met the queen, who awarded them the MBE. 290 00:19:02,842 --> 00:19:04,742 Must have been an honor meeting the queen. 291 00:19:04,910 --> 00:19:08,346 She's a lovely lady. She'll be nice when she's finished. 292 00:19:08,514 --> 00:19:11,142 -Stig, how did you feel? -He felt very, very proud. 293 00:19:11,317 --> 00:19:14,514 And honoured. He'd like to say hello to his friends and pets at home. 294 00:19:14,687 --> 00:19:17,850 And he'd like to request Vera Lynn singing "Far, Far Away." 295 00:19:18,024 --> 00:19:21,654 -She doesn't sing "Far, Far Away." -She sings far too close. 296 00:19:21,827 --> 00:19:25,764 Lady Beth Mouse-Paddler is the wife of the British ambassador. 297 00:19:25,931 --> 00:19:26,921 That's "Min to." 298 00:19:28,267 --> 00:19:30,895 It's written "Mouse-Paddler," but it's pronounced "Min to." 299 00:19:31,070 --> 00:19:32,299 It's an English thing. 300 00:19:32,471 --> 00:19:35,441 The Rutles visited you here in 1964. 301 00:19:35,608 --> 00:19:37,838 Yes, that's right. I remember the occasion. 302 00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:41,810 Dreadful, horrible, lower working-class boys with appalling accents. 303 00:19:41,981 --> 00:19:44,040 One couldn't understand a word they said. 304 00:19:44,216 --> 00:19:46,844 -What happened? -The evening with the ambassador... 305 00:19:47,019 --> 00:19:49,283 ...was an absolute disaster. 306 00:19:49,455 --> 00:19:52,288 They came in very late, very drunk... 307 00:19:52,458 --> 00:19:55,018 ...staggered around, shagged the staff, and left. 308 00:19:55,194 --> 00:19:57,561 -The Rutles? -No, no, the ambassador. 309 00:20:04,103 --> 00:20:05,332 The Rutles were famous. 310 00:20:05,504 --> 00:20:08,269 Perhaps more famous than anyone ever before. 311 00:20:08,441 --> 00:20:11,103 They had reached the very barnacle of success. 312 00:20:11,644 --> 00:20:15,478 But the irony was, they had now become prisoners. 313 00:20:15,648 --> 00:20:17,207 Prisoners of fame. 314 00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:19,809 The whole world was in love with The Rutles 315 00:20:19,985 --> 00:20:22,352 ...but they couldn't leave their hotel room. 316 00:20:22,521 --> 00:20:25,183 -What are we going to do today? -What? 317 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:28,459 Hey, look who's in the cupboard. 318 00:20:28,627 --> 00:20:31,221 Everywhere they went, they were stalked by girls. 319 00:20:35,134 --> 00:20:38,001 -There's a couple of Judys here. -All right, come out. 320 00:20:38,170 --> 00:20:39,569 They're everywhere. 321 00:20:39,739 --> 00:20:41,673 They must be under the bloody bed. 322 00:20:41,841 --> 00:20:43,707 Think there's one in me corn flakes. 323 00:20:43,876 --> 00:20:47,471 In Hollywood, The Rutles rented this house in Benedict Canyon. 324 00:20:47,646 --> 00:20:52,311 Two girls hired a helicopter and leaped from it into their pool. 325 00:20:57,022 --> 00:20:58,080 We made it. 326 00:20:58,357 --> 00:21:02,726 So, what was it about The Rutles that made them so successful? 327 00:21:02,895 --> 00:21:05,830 Was it the women, or was it the trousers? 328 00:21:05,998 --> 00:21:09,332 Maybe it was their sense of humour, or was it their hairstyles? 329 00:21:09,502 --> 00:21:11,994 Perhaps it was the Cold War. Maybe it was the Kennedy's. 330 00:21:12,171 --> 00:21:13,639 What are--? What are you doing? 331 00:21:13,806 --> 00:21:16,036 I'm doing a documentary on The Rutles. 332 00:21:16,208 --> 00:21:19,234 -I'm doing a documentary on The Rutles. -Get your own idea. 333 00:21:19,411 --> 00:21:20,776 This is my idea. 334 00:21:20,946 --> 00:21:24,177 -Well, get your own crew. -This is my crew. 335 00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:27,843 So it was here where The Rutles first began-- 336 00:21:28,020 --> 00:21:31,183 What was it about The Rutles that made them so--? 337 00:21:31,357 --> 00:21:34,327 Maybe it was their trousers, or perhaps it was-- 338 00:21:34,493 --> 00:21:36,928 What was it about The Rutles--? This is my-- 339 00:21:37,096 --> 00:21:39,394 -Trousers. Trousers! -You shit. 340 00:21:39,565 --> 00:21:41,329 Get out, you Yankee swine. 341 00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:44,265 What was it about The Rutles that made them--? 342 00:21:44,436 --> 00:21:48,600 Maybe it was their sense of humour, or perhaps it was-- 343 00:21:48,774 --> 00:21:51,471 What was it about The Rutles that made them so successful? 344 00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:54,204 -Maybe it was their trousers! -Can you believe this guy? 345 00:21:54,380 --> 00:21:56,849 -Or their hairstyles! -Would you--? 346 00:21:58,450 --> 00:22:01,476 What was it about The Rutles that made them so successful? 347 00:22:01,654 --> 00:22:03,383 -Maybe it was-- -Massive. 348 00:22:03,556 --> 00:22:04,887 The shagging was the fuel. 349 00:22:05,057 --> 00:22:07,025 I think a lot of it was the shagging. 350 00:22:07,193 --> 00:22:09,491 The Rutles is not all about shagging. 351 00:22:09,662 --> 00:22:12,290 It's not all about that. It's largely about that. 352 00:22:12,464 --> 00:22:16,401 The word "rock 'n' roll" itself, after all, essentially means shagging. 353 00:22:16,569 --> 00:22:19,595 And so of course The Rutles were all about shagging. 354 00:22:19,772 --> 00:22:21,638 That's-- What is this music about? 355 00:22:21,807 --> 00:22:23,366 Isn't all music about that? 356 00:22:23,542 --> 00:22:27,570 I mean, didn't Bach essentially want to get it done, so to speak? 357 00:22:27,746 --> 00:22:31,376 Didn't, you know, Der Bingle there, making all those records in the '30s? 358 00:22:31,550 --> 00:22:34,451 Artie Shaw, I think, was all about... 359 00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:37,180 ...what's happening after the show, you know. 360 00:22:37,356 --> 00:22:39,290 Carl Perkins and Elvis in the '50s. 361 00:22:39,458 --> 00:22:42,291 I think it's always been about, "Let's dance... 362 00:22:42,461 --> 00:22:46,398 ...and then let's dance," if you know what I mean. 363 00:22:46,565 --> 00:22:48,397 I'm sure they wanted The Rutles. 364 00:22:48,567 --> 00:22:51,502 There was no doubt about it that at the-- 365 00:22:51,670 --> 00:22:54,162 You were ready... 366 00:22:55,307 --> 00:22:58,333 ...to have sex after you listened to some of their records. 367 00:22:58,510 --> 00:23:00,000 I even knew that when I was 10. 368 00:23:01,847 --> 00:23:03,246 There had always been girls... 369 00:23:03,415 --> 00:23:07,181 ...hundreds of them. But some were more permanent than others. 370 00:23:07,353 --> 00:23:11,187 Nasty had been married early, about 7:30, maybe a quarter to 8. 371 00:23:11,357 --> 00:23:14,657 And his Liverpool girlfriend, Carinthia, was pregnant at the time. 372 00:23:14,827 --> 00:23:17,125 But Nasty was constantly on tour. 373 00:23:17,296 --> 00:23:19,060 It was no recipe for a happy marriage. 374 00:23:19,231 --> 00:23:21,859 Somehow, Carinthia was always left behind. 375 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,502 Bary was the next to be married, to his childhood sweetheart, Brenda Liola. 376 00:23:32,678 --> 00:23:36,478 The wedding arrangements were so secret that even Bary didn't show up. 377 00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:39,584 When they were married, she was at St. Bede's Church, Wigan... 378 00:23:39,752 --> 00:23:43,450 ...while Bary was on-stage at the Scunthorpe Coliseum. 379 00:24:05,978 --> 00:24:08,845 "Why don't we do it in the middle of the road?" 380 00:24:09,014 --> 00:24:11,642 Well, obviously because it's uncomfortable. 381 00:24:11,817 --> 00:24:15,082 You'll hurt your knees, and she'll get her bottom scraped. 382 00:24:15,254 --> 00:24:18,986 And then again, it's cold. It's very difficult to maintain an erection... 383 00:24:19,158 --> 00:24:20,990 ...while anywhere, really, out in public. 384 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,390 Actually, even in the bedroom, it's kind of hard. 385 00:24:23,562 --> 00:24:26,463 The point is that there's just too much traffic. 386 00:24:26,632 --> 00:24:30,762 There isn't any room to do it in the middle of the road. 387 00:24:54,593 --> 00:24:55,856 Madonna's house. 388 00:24:56,028 --> 00:24:57,894 And we came here to ask Madonna... 389 00:24:58,063 --> 00:25:00,157 ...the influences of The Rutles on her music... 390 00:25:00,332 --> 00:25:02,061 ...what she thinks about The Rutles... 391 00:25:02,234 --> 00:25:05,169 ...and whether she loves and adores The Rutles. 392 00:25:05,337 --> 00:25:09,035 But sadly, she sold the house and moved to London. 393 00:25:09,208 --> 00:25:13,645 We flew to Paris to ask Céline Dion what she thinks about Rutle music... 394 00:25:13,812 --> 00:25:16,645 ...but she lives in Miami. 395 00:25:16,815 --> 00:25:18,909 So we flew to Puerto Rico... 396 00:25:19,084 --> 00:25:23,385 ...to ask Jennifer Lopez about the influence of The Rutles on her music. 397 00:25:23,555 --> 00:25:24,989 But sadly... 398 00:25:25,157 --> 00:25:27,057 ...she's in New York. 399 00:25:27,226 --> 00:25:29,490 I'm in New York, and it's tremendously exciting... 400 00:25:29,661 --> 00:25:33,029 ...because I've actually bumped into Jennifer Lopez here on the street. 401 00:25:33,198 --> 00:25:35,599 Jennifer, apparently you live here. Is that right? 402 00:25:35,768 --> 00:25:38,203 -That's true. That's correct. -This is so cool for me. 403 00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:41,806 I mean, I've been trying to get a hold of you to ask you about The Rutles. 404 00:25:41,974 --> 00:25:44,136 Oh, I love The Rutles. I love The Rutles. 405 00:25:44,309 --> 00:25:46,107 -No way. -Yes, they're so cool. 406 00:25:46,278 --> 00:25:48,679 I think there must be a big influence on your music. 407 00:25:48,847 --> 00:25:51,316 Oh, definitely. They're one of the biggest influences. 408 00:25:51,483 --> 00:25:54,077 That is so exciting. I'm just so thrilled. 409 00:25:54,253 --> 00:25:56,847 Thank you so much for agreeing to give us the time today. 410 00:25:57,022 --> 00:25:58,820 Oh, you're welcome. Anytime. 411 00:25:58,991 --> 00:26:02,086 So from New York and Jennifer Lopez... 412 00:26:02,261 --> 00:26:04,161 ...back to somewhere else. 413 00:26:04,329 --> 00:26:06,855 Golly. Oh, look, there's Madonna. 414 00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:20,738 The Rutles were always innovators. 415 00:26:20,913 --> 00:26:25,146 Perhaps never more so than when they released The Triangular Album. 416 00:26:25,317 --> 00:26:28,844 When this triangular record came out... 417 00:26:30,956 --> 00:26:33,015 ...you couldn't get enough of them. 418 00:26:33,192 --> 00:26:37,254 First of all, because most records were round. 419 00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:39,898 And here, man, this was triangular. 420 00:26:40,065 --> 00:26:42,966 And then when you put it on your record player... 421 00:26:43,135 --> 00:26:46,628 ...and instead of this round thing just going around in a circle... 422 00:26:46,805 --> 00:26:49,206 ...you had this spinning triangle. 423 00:26:49,374 --> 00:26:52,901 I mean, we didn't even turn the volume up on the record player. 424 00:26:53,078 --> 00:26:55,410 We just looked at it spinning around. 425 00:26:55,814 --> 00:26:58,681 It was so great that it's never been-- No one's tried it since. 426 00:26:58,851 --> 00:27:02,481 You can't even touch it. No one else has put out a triangular record... 427 00:27:02,654 --> 00:27:04,588 ...because The Rutles did it. Period. 428 00:27:04,756 --> 00:27:07,817 They didn't do it first, they did it. Period. 429 00:27:07,993 --> 00:27:10,655 That was unusual when you went out and bought the album. 430 00:27:10,829 --> 00:27:13,161 Everybody was waiting in queues to buy the album. 431 00:27:13,332 --> 00:27:15,596 Then when you pulled it out, it was triangular. 432 00:27:15,767 --> 00:27:18,759 Everybody was like, "Wow, cool." 433 00:27:18,937 --> 00:27:21,304 But how did The Triangular Album come about? 434 00:27:21,473 --> 00:27:24,306 Kevin Wongle was a record designer in London. 435 00:27:24,476 --> 00:27:26,240 To actually get into a photo session... 436 00:27:27,846 --> 00:27:30,406 ...with Ron and Stig and those guys, it just floored me. 437 00:27:30,582 --> 00:27:33,074 I'm not gay or anything, but to be around these guys... 438 00:27:33,252 --> 00:27:34,651 ...I was totally starstruck. 439 00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:38,586 But anyway, I'll just give you a little idea. This is one of the mock-ups... 440 00:27:38,757 --> 00:27:43,092 ...of the album, some ideas I had for the shot. 441 00:27:43,262 --> 00:27:45,697 As you can see, this was taken out of a toilet bowl... 442 00:27:45,864 --> 00:27:48,993 ...looking up, and they're all looking down at the toilet bowl. 443 00:27:49,168 --> 00:27:52,661 This one was actually on the market for, I believe it was three months. 444 00:27:52,838 --> 00:27:56,206 And it was selling well, but a lot of returns. 445 00:27:56,375 --> 00:27:58,901 Because, again, people were missing some of the songs. 446 00:27:59,077 --> 00:28:01,808 It'd play part of the song, the needle would fall off... 447 00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:05,143 ...and then it'd come back up again. Sorry, it's upside-down. 448 00:28:05,317 --> 00:28:11,051 This jacket sleeve, and with the album in there, became dangerous. 449 00:28:11,223 --> 00:28:13,658 Kids were doing drugs. They were chasing each other... 450 00:28:13,825 --> 00:28:16,624 ...with the album and some, I believe, were actually stabbed. 451 00:28:16,795 --> 00:28:19,196 This image of the boys looking down... 452 00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:22,356 As it spun around, we found later on... 453 00:28:22,534 --> 00:28:25,128 ...it almost looked like turds going down the toilet. 454 00:28:29,741 --> 00:28:33,268 The silver screen beckoned. The Rutles came here to Hollywood. 455 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,644 Oh, fuck. 456 00:28:36,815 --> 00:28:38,806 But it was here in Hollywood-- 457 00:28:41,019 --> 00:28:43,010 Hollywood. We're here at the Hollywood Bowl. 458 00:28:44,356 --> 00:28:47,053 It was from here at the Hollywood Bowl-- Well, over there... 459 00:28:47,226 --> 00:28:51,185 ...that The Rutles then went on to become movie stars. 460 00:29:51,890 --> 00:29:53,051 I loved A Hard Day's Rut. 461 00:29:53,225 --> 00:29:56,855 I loved A Hard Day's Rut. I loved A Hard Day's Rut. 462 00:29:57,029 --> 00:30:02,433 That has influenced all of my work. That... 463 00:30:03,035 --> 00:30:04,969 ...and some of the stuff The Turtles did. 464 00:30:07,572 --> 00:30:10,598 I remember when they all came out of the train... 465 00:30:10,776 --> 00:30:13,802 ...and then piled onto the tracks and tried to kill themselves. 466 00:30:13,979 --> 00:30:16,311 So when the train left, they almost got run over. 467 00:30:16,481 --> 00:30:19,212 That was hilarious. And then they all came... 468 00:30:19,384 --> 00:30:23,844 Then they got out of the train... They watered down the train. 469 00:30:24,022 --> 00:30:26,957 You know what, I have A Hard Day's Rut confused a little bit... 470 00:30:27,125 --> 00:30:28,991 ...with Schindler's List right now. 471 00:30:53,085 --> 00:30:55,019 Hard Day's Rut was-- 472 00:30:55,187 --> 00:30:56,985 It was like an advertisement, in a way. 473 00:30:57,155 --> 00:31:01,922 It existed as propaganda. It was there to celebrate these four characters. 474 00:31:02,094 --> 00:31:03,892 The music is, you know, what it is. 475 00:31:04,062 --> 00:31:07,589 It'll always be legendary. and those guys will-- 476 00:31:07,766 --> 00:31:12,636 But A Hard Day's Rut was just, like, being with them on a personal level. 477 00:31:12,804 --> 00:31:14,829 That was wonderful. I thought it was funny. 478 00:31:15,006 --> 00:31:17,941 It was neat to see their personalities shining through. 479 00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:20,602 Anyone who doesn't like Hard Day's Rut should be beat. 480 00:31:20,812 --> 00:31:24,646 Oh, Jesus. I would pay money not to go and see A Hard-- 481 00:31:24,816 --> 00:31:28,275 Wild horses couldn't drag me in to see that. 482 00:31:28,453 --> 00:31:30,046 I hated it. I hated it. 483 00:31:31,323 --> 00:31:33,917 Just how good were Rutle films? 484 00:31:34,092 --> 00:31:37,687 Well, we flew all the way to New York to talk with legendary film director... 485 00:31:37,863 --> 00:31:41,231 ...Mike Nichols about the Rutle films. 486 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,765 -Mike, hello. -Hello. 487 00:31:42,934 --> 00:31:45,130 -Oh, you don't mind if I call you Mike? -No, no. 488 00:31:45,303 --> 00:31:49,331 Great. Thanks. Thanks, by the way, for agreeing to talk to us about Rutle films. 489 00:31:49,508 --> 00:31:50,907 Glad to do it. 490 00:31:51,076 --> 00:31:55,479 Mike is one of the greatest film directors of all time in the entire world... 491 00:31:55,647 --> 00:31:58,139 -...and one of my personal favourites. -Thank you. 492 00:31:58,316 --> 00:32:00,375 And I love your movies. I've seen all of them. 493 00:32:00,552 --> 00:32:01,849 I'm very glad. 494 00:32:03,488 --> 00:32:05,582 If I can start with A Hard Day's Rut. 495 00:32:05,757 --> 00:32:07,657 Yes, the black-and-white one. 496 00:32:07,826 --> 00:32:12,354 Mike, you directed The Godfather, which was always one of my favourite films... 497 00:32:12,531 --> 00:32:15,501 -...and I was wondering if-- -Are you kidding? 498 00:32:15,667 --> 00:32:17,965 No, I really liked it. I thought it was great. 499 00:32:18,136 --> 00:32:21,800 -Oh, fuck this. -What? 500 00:32:50,669 --> 00:32:53,832 I love Ouch! It's hilarious. 501 00:32:54,005 --> 00:32:58,909 The funniest part to me in Ouch! Is when Dirk steps on the sticker... 502 00:32:59,077 --> 00:33:05,574 ...the little tiny thorn in his bare feet, and he yells, "Ouch!" 503 00:33:15,126 --> 00:33:19,256 I heard a few bars of "Ouch!" from somebody's car as they were passing by. 504 00:33:19,431 --> 00:33:22,401 They had it on the radio, and I just heard, like, three phrases. 505 00:33:22,567 --> 00:33:25,764 And I heard, "Ouch, ouch, ouch.,” as it was going by. 506 00:33:25,937 --> 00:33:28,167 And I immediately went out and found that record. 507 00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:31,275 And I just started listening to that record alone. 508 00:33:31,443 --> 00:33:35,380 And I listened to that record for-- Straight. For 17 weeks. 509 00:33:56,234 --> 00:33:58,828 I thought their movies were fucking endless. 510 00:34:01,206 --> 00:34:04,506 The only one of The Rutles' films not to achieve success... 511 00:34:04,676 --> 00:34:06,804 ...was the Tragical History Tour. 512 00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:08,513 In many ways, it was a disaster. 513 00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:38,873 Dirk will always say, "It was the best. 514 00:34:39,044 --> 00:34:41,809 It was wonderful, and it all comes together." 515 00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:45,473 No. It's... No, I'm sorry, Dirk. It's a mess. 516 00:34:45,650 --> 00:34:48,085 It's just a big mess. 517 00:34:48,253 --> 00:34:49,880 It was a mess. 518 00:35:06,037 --> 00:35:08,631 Mexico! And we're here in Mexico... 519 00:35:08,807 --> 00:35:11,538 ...because, well, we're actually here in Mexico... 520 00:35:11,710 --> 00:35:15,010 ...because the travel agent screwed up. He sent us via Cancún. 521 00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:18,115 He got a cheaper deal on the plane-- 522 00:35:18,283 --> 00:35:21,617 It really doesn't matter why we're here. We're here in Mexico... 523 00:35:21,786 --> 00:35:25,848 ...because it's here in Mexico that The Rutles never played. 524 00:35:26,024 --> 00:35:27,617 They were supposed to come here... 525 00:35:27,792 --> 00:35:31,592 ...but they decided that San Francisco would be their final gig. 526 00:35:32,697 --> 00:35:37,635 San Francisco, everyone's favourite city by the gay-- Bay. 527 00:35:37,802 --> 00:35:39,292 I'm standing at the very spot-- 528 00:35:40,872 --> 00:35:44,900 Well, over there was the very spot where The Rutles played... 529 00:35:45,076 --> 00:35:51,413 ...their last concert ever in Candlestick Park. Right there. 530 00:35:51,716 --> 00:35:54,447 Here, the legend came-- 531 00:35:54,619 --> 00:36:00,080 Well, didn't come to an end, but was beginning to come to an end. 532 00:36:00,258 --> 00:36:04,456 Well, maybe beginning to come to the middle of the legend... 533 00:36:04,629 --> 00:36:07,860 ...which would finally end... 534 00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:09,964 ...somewhere else. 535 00:36:39,998 --> 00:36:43,434 The Rutles' last live appearance was actually out where I was... 536 00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:47,529 ...in San Francisco at Candlestick Park in 537 00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:49,105 -'66. -That was the big show. 538 00:36:49,274 --> 00:36:50,708 And I did have tickets to it... 539 00:36:50,875 --> 00:36:53,970 ...and then I traded it to a friend, my tickets to see The Rutles... 540 00:36:54,145 --> 00:36:56,705 ...for 35 hits of acid. 541 00:36:57,182 --> 00:37:00,174 Now, this is a true story. That's-- 542 00:37:00,351 --> 00:37:02,718 So I met The Rutles in a different way. 543 00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:16,927 The Rutles had finished touring... 544 00:37:17,102 --> 00:37:20,367 ...and now they threw themselves into the recording studio. 545 00:37:20,538 --> 00:37:24,566 When they emerged, they were very strangely dressed. 546 00:37:29,114 --> 00:37:31,811 They were also behaving very weirdly. 547 00:37:31,983 --> 00:37:35,783 The Rutles were under the influence of tea. 548 00:37:42,594 --> 00:37:47,555 The resulting album was the classic Sgt. Rutter. 549 00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:56,163 I mean, you'd thought the world had changed when Sgt. Rutter come out. 550 00:37:56,341 --> 00:38:00,107 Leggy sent me an advance copy of the tape... 551 00:38:00,278 --> 00:38:02,906 ...and I had The Turtles-- You remember The Turtles? 552 00:38:04,449 --> 00:38:06,178 They were at my apartment, and I said: 553 00:38:06,351 --> 00:38:08,046 "I've got this tape for you to hear." 554 00:38:08,219 --> 00:38:10,187 And I put Sgt. Rutter on my tape recorder. 555 00:38:10,355 --> 00:38:11,686 Well... 556 00:38:11,856 --> 00:38:14,291 ...you've never heard of The Turtles since. 557 00:38:23,601 --> 00:38:25,160 When I heard Sgt. Rutter, we ran. 558 00:38:25,336 --> 00:38:27,771 I had my trousers under my arm. I was out the window. 559 00:38:34,946 --> 00:38:39,281 I used to play that album over and over and over. Yeah. 560 00:38:39,450 --> 00:38:43,250 -And did you like it? -1, you know-- I used it to fall asleep. 561 00:38:43,421 --> 00:38:47,449 And, you know, helped myself fall asleep, and it was great... 562 00:38:47,625 --> 00:38:51,584 ...because you get into maybe one or two songs some nights. 563 00:38:51,763 --> 00:38:54,596 You can be completely wide awake and thinking: 564 00:38:54,766 --> 00:38:56,928 "I am never going to fall asleep." 565 00:38:57,101 --> 00:39:01,436 And I would put on Sgt. Rutter, and immediately, I was out. 566 00:39:07,312 --> 00:39:09,610 The effects of Sgt. Rutter were interminable. 567 00:39:09,781 --> 00:39:13,411 Some people even believed there were messages hidden in the lyrics. 568 00:39:13,585 --> 00:39:16,680 The Rutles always deny that they had intended to have any message... 569 00:39:16,855 --> 00:39:21,850 ...on the records, but we've all done this when we were, you know, kids. 570 00:39:22,026 --> 00:39:26,190 We all play back Sgt. Rutter and play back Dark Side of the Sun... 571 00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:29,800 ...at the same time while you're watching The Wizard of Oz... 572 00:39:29,968 --> 00:39:32,198 ...while you're slightly high. 573 00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:38,070 And it's amazing how it all syncs up. And it's an episode of Bonanza. 574 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,006 Sgt. Rutter led to the Summer of Lunch. 575 00:39:46,651 --> 00:39:50,610 The Summer of Lunch, when there was all that free food going around? 576 00:39:51,489 --> 00:39:55,722 Yeah, I got diseases. That was when I was really eating everything. 577 00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:59,159 You know, as The Rutles say, "All you need is lunch." 578 00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:19,783 In June 1967, the Summer of Lunch came to a fitting climax... 579 00:40:19,951 --> 00:40:23,717 ...with a live recording by The Rutles on worldwide TV. 580 00:40:39,537 --> 00:40:41,062 The "Love Life" sessions were-- 581 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,298 You knew something was really happening. 582 00:40:43,474 --> 00:40:48,435 I mean, it was the first round-the-world, round-the-world thing... 583 00:40:48,613 --> 00:40:50,308 ...where everybody round the world... 584 00:40:50,481 --> 00:40:54,247 ...could hear The Rutles singing "Love Life" and be a part of it. 585 00:40:54,419 --> 00:40:56,319 But I was actually really a part of it... 586 00:40:56,487 --> 00:40:59,548 ...because we were on Shabby Road together, you know, in-- 587 00:40:59,724 --> 00:41:02,557 You know studio two there, where you walked down that thing? 588 00:41:02,727 --> 00:41:04,718 That wasn't the studio. It was studio one... 589 00:41:04,896 --> 00:41:07,991 ...where the big orchestra goes in. I was sitting in front of Nasty. 590 00:41:09,334 --> 00:41:11,428 Mick and Keith were there. All the lads were there. 591 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,074 Stig now discovered the meaning of life... 592 00:41:25,249 --> 00:41:28,412 ...right here at this Indian restaurant. 593 00:41:28,586 --> 00:41:29,644 It was curry. 594 00:41:32,023 --> 00:41:35,118 He studied transcendental mastication under Arthur Sultan... 595 00:41:35,293 --> 00:41:38,888 ...a former chef at this Shangri-la restaurant. 596 00:41:39,063 --> 00:41:41,896 I remember the phase where they went to the Indian restaurant. 597 00:41:42,066 --> 00:41:46,526 And they were eating curry... 598 00:41:46,704 --> 00:41:48,866 ...and they found enlightenment... 599 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:54,206 ...and a higher power for $8.95. 600 00:42:03,021 --> 00:42:05,820 Stig now invited the others to join Arthur Sultan... 601 00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:08,960 ...for a weekend of curry in Bognor. 602 00:42:09,127 --> 00:42:13,121 When it came to curry, they were anxious not to miss the boat. 603 00:42:36,587 --> 00:42:40,581 With curry, The Rutles had grown almost too hot. 604 00:42:40,758 --> 00:42:44,956 Now faith blew cold on their picnic lunch with a sudden... 605 00:42:45,129 --> 00:42:48,190 ...and surprising loss of Leggy Mountbatten. 606 00:42:48,366 --> 00:42:53,668 With The Rutles growing and taking charge of most of their activities... 607 00:42:53,838 --> 00:42:55,738 ...he just slipped out of their lives. 608 00:43:00,645 --> 00:43:04,081 Leggy had diverted into managing other groups and singers. 609 00:43:04,749 --> 00:43:07,218 Troy Nixon was Leggy's assistant. 610 00:43:07,385 --> 00:43:09,854 -Lover. -Companion. 611 00:43:10,021 --> 00:43:11,318 Whatever. 612 00:43:11,489 --> 00:43:14,823 -He had quite the stable of young boys. -Oh, yes. 613 00:43:16,694 --> 00:43:18,321 He always loved attractive young men. 614 00:43:18,496 --> 00:43:23,491 He always had his finger on the pulse of the young boys here. 615 00:43:23,668 --> 00:43:28,868 They all had strange names, like Wild, Damp, Thunder, Clap. 616 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,737 He tended to name them after how they were in bed, you see. 617 00:43:31,909 --> 00:43:33,206 You know, I'm... 618 00:43:33,377 --> 00:43:38,941 Tommy Wild, Dickie Furious, Jeffrey Willing, Billy Is-That-It. 619 00:43:39,117 --> 00:43:42,280 How did he know what attracted teenage girls? 620 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,950 He had the same taste in boys. 621 00:43:45,123 --> 00:43:48,320 Had The Rutles' bubble burst? 622 00:43:48,726 --> 00:43:50,387 Not quite. 623 00:43:50,561 --> 00:43:54,156 But night had fallen on their Broadway. 624 00:43:54,332 --> 00:43:58,030 The loss of Leggy was a tremendous blow. 625 00:43:58,202 --> 00:44:02,571 For solace, The Rutles turned to something stronger than a manager: 626 00:44:02,740 --> 00:44:04,230 Their wives. 627 00:44:04,408 --> 00:44:08,367 Dirk met and fell in love with a young dog and its owner, Martini... 628 00:44:08,546 --> 00:44:09,809 ...an exotic model. 629 00:44:33,771 --> 00:44:35,705 Nasty visited an exhibition of broken art... 630 00:44:37,041 --> 00:44:38,668 ...at The Pretentious Gallery, Soho. 631 00:44:38,843 --> 00:44:42,279 A midst the rubble of art, which had been specially dropped from planes... 632 00:44:42,446 --> 00:44:46,906 ...he found the artist herself, Chastity, a simple German girl. 633 00:44:47,084 --> 00:44:49,781 It was lunch at first sight. 634 00:44:49,987 --> 00:44:51,421 Do you know there's this man... 635 00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:54,581 ...in America who's done all this research into vegetables. 636 00:44:54,759 --> 00:44:57,456 And peas, apparently, are very intelligent. 637 00:44:57,628 --> 00:44:59,995 They can read people's thoughts. 638 00:45:00,164 --> 00:45:04,192 So I thought I'd write a song saying, "Give peas a chance." 639 00:45:04,368 --> 00:45:07,633 Well, he took her everywhere. I mean, even the shower. 640 00:45:07,805 --> 00:45:09,739 That was the beginning of "shower power." 641 00:45:09,907 --> 00:45:11,807 The world is like a shower. 642 00:45:14,212 --> 00:45:20,151 It sort of drips on people, you know, and it's supposed to get them clean... 643 00:45:20,318 --> 00:45:22,650 ...but really you're only clean from the inside. 644 00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:25,289 Isn't that what you said? 645 00:45:25,923 --> 00:45:28,392 That's what she said. 646 00:46:47,505 --> 00:46:51,203 The Rutles' music will be remembered long after Mozart's paintings... 647 00:46:51,375 --> 00:46:54,868 ...or Beethoven's after-dinner speeches have been forgotten. 648 00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:58,242 But what was it that drove The Rutles apart? 649 00:46:58,416 --> 00:47:02,148 Was it their trousers? Or maybe it was their sense of humour. 650 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,051 Maybe it was the Cold War, or maybe it was the cold weather. 651 00:47:05,222 --> 00:47:06,747 Give me that. What are you doing? 652 00:47:06,924 --> 00:47:08,392 -This is mine. -No, this is mine. 653 00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:11,187 -I'm making this documentary. -This is my documentary. 654 00:47:11,362 --> 00:47:13,160 -Stop it! -I don't know who you are. 655 00:47:13,331 --> 00:47:16,562 -Well, you should know who I am. -Will you get away? For heaven's sake. 656 00:47:16,734 --> 00:47:19,260 -Get off me. -Get off me. 657 00:47:19,437 --> 00:47:22,372 You stupid rat. For God's sake. 658 00:47:22,540 --> 00:47:23,803 That's hurting. I'll sue. 659 00:47:23,974 --> 00:47:26,705 What was it that drove The Rutles apart? 660 00:47:27,178 --> 00:47:30,876 I don't know. It's a lot of things. I guess women, really. 661 00:47:31,048 --> 00:47:36,543 Women are a great divisive force in The Rutles, I think. 662 00:47:36,721 --> 00:47:38,655 In a lot of bands. 663 00:47:38,823 --> 00:47:43,056 Not in ours, of course, but in The Rutles, it was a big problem. 664 00:47:43,227 --> 00:47:45,855 How could you be a rock 'n' roll singer if you're married? 665 00:47:46,030 --> 00:47:47,998 It's not possible. 666 00:47:48,165 --> 00:47:50,827 No, you'd have to have rock or roll, you know? 667 00:47:51,001 --> 00:47:53,197 You can't have both of them if you're married. 668 00:47:53,371 --> 00:47:59,071 As they broke up, they passed on to us the one great truism... 669 00:47:59,243 --> 00:48:01,405 ...that I think all humanity can understand. 670 00:48:01,579 --> 00:48:06,449 That in the end, the lunch you make... 671 00:48:06,617 --> 00:48:12,681 ...is equal to the lunch you take. 672 00:48:13,424 --> 00:48:15,825 And if you can abide by that, my friend... 673 00:48:15,993 --> 00:48:20,362 ...then you will never ever say "ouch." 674 00:48:22,633 --> 00:48:25,933 The breakup of The Rutles is chronicled in their final film, Let it Rot. 675 00:48:27,271 --> 00:48:30,172 It's like watching a marriage fall apart. 676 00:48:30,908 --> 00:48:33,036 Only one moment enlivens the misery... 677 00:48:33,210 --> 00:48:35,736 ...when The Rutles play live together in public... 678 00:48:35,913 --> 00:48:38,848 ...for the very last time on a London rooftop. 679 00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:17,517 That's crap. 680 00:49:17,688 --> 00:49:21,886 Let it Rot was so bad, The Rutles were arrested. 681 00:49:22,059 --> 00:49:23,584 -Let's go. -Get your hands off. 682 00:49:23,761 --> 00:49:24,956 Go on. 683 00:49:25,129 --> 00:49:29,293 The end for The Rutles came quite suddenly and unexpectedly. 684 00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:32,164 The Rutles had made a tremendous impact-- 685 00:49:33,938 --> 00:49:38,171 The breakup was the nicest part of their entire career, I thought, you know. 686 00:49:38,342 --> 00:49:40,709 There was a sigh of relief throughout the business... 687 00:49:40,878 --> 00:49:44,576 ...that maybe we could get back to inanity... 688 00:49:44,748 --> 00:49:50,687 ...and the driving drumming that is the essential key sign of rock and roll... 689 00:49:50,855 --> 00:49:53,187 ...instead of all that complicated bullshit... 690 00:49:53,357 --> 00:49:58,193 ...and bringing in orchestrators and video and all that nastiness. 691 00:49:58,362 --> 00:50:01,923 Sure. I thought, "Well, they're broken up. Good idea." 692 00:50:02,099 --> 00:50:04,431 As a matter of fact, it was the best idea they had. 693 00:50:04,602 --> 00:50:08,061 That kind of populist music is-- Won't last. It can't last. 694 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,333 Too many people know it. Everybody can sing it. 695 00:50:10,508 --> 00:50:13,603 Everybody knows every word of every song. How can it possibly last? 696 00:50:13,777 --> 00:50:17,736 It's an ephemeral kind of flotsam and jetsam. 697 00:50:17,915 --> 00:50:21,146 It's nothing. It's small. 698 00:50:21,318 --> 00:50:27,280 It doesn't matter. It's insignificant. It's of no consequence. 699 00:50:27,458 --> 00:50:29,358 Of course it'll fucking last. 700 00:50:29,527 --> 00:50:34,863 I will not do what The Rutles did. I will not break up. 701 00:50:35,032 --> 00:50:36,796 Where would the world be without The Rutles? 702 00:50:36,967 --> 00:50:40,597 Where would it be without Dirk and Nasty and Stig and Bary... 703 00:50:40,771 --> 00:50:45,402 ...and all their shenanigans and all their whoop-de-do and all their normal stuff... 704 00:50:45,576 --> 00:50:48,102 ...and, "Here we are. We're all lads from Liverpool"? 705 00:50:48,279 --> 00:50:51,510 Where would we be without them? Where would we be? 706 00:50:51,682 --> 00:50:54,515 Could you think of any great communist rock bands? 707 00:50:54,685 --> 00:50:56,050 No, I don't think so. 708 00:50:56,220 --> 00:50:59,212 There was nothing called the Village People's Republic, you know. 709 00:50:59,390 --> 00:51:03,293 There was no bands with two million gay Chinese. 710 00:51:06,063 --> 00:51:09,499 Here was a shining example of what it could be like. 711 00:51:09,667 --> 00:51:12,398 You could, like, go make music and make fun of everybody... 712 00:51:12,570 --> 00:51:15,062 ...and get away with it, you know? It was great. 713 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,267 Really, the crowning glory, I guess, to their career... 714 00:51:19,443 --> 00:51:22,140 ...is this piece of marketing extravagance. 715 00:51:22,613 --> 00:51:25,048 What am I getting for this? 716 00:51:27,184 --> 00:51:30,916 They did say that you'd be getting, you know, you would waive a fee. 717 00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:32,647 - I would waive a fee? -Yes. 718 00:51:32,823 --> 00:51:34,086 Really? They told you that? 719 00:51:34,258 --> 00:51:37,023 That's what the office said, that you'll be waiving the fee. 720 00:51:37,194 --> 00:51:38,389 Wrap. 721 00:51:38,562 --> 00:51:41,259 -We should just-- -I can't do anymore. I've gotta go. 722 00:51:41,432 --> 00:51:44,891 Can we just wrap it up? And honestly, it's not you. It's the whole crew. 723 00:51:45,069 --> 00:51:47,902 It's just too much. They're trampling over what's left of my-- 724 00:51:48,072 --> 00:51:51,599 Honestly, they've killed my dog. I've gotta-- Finish up, and out you go. 725 00:51:51,775 --> 00:51:54,870 This is fantastic. Say hello to all the people in England. 726 00:51:55,045 --> 00:51:57,412 I've just-- I gotta go. 727 00:51:57,581 --> 00:52:00,175 -I've got two other interviews to do. -Just one question. 728 00:52:00,351 --> 00:52:02,080 Bye-bye. Bye-bye. 729 00:52:02,252 --> 00:52:03,447 Bye-bye. 730 00:52:03,787 --> 00:52:07,223 Twenty-three years ago today, right here in front of The Plaza in New York-- 731 00:52:07,391 --> 00:52:10,486 Was where this documentary all began. 732 00:52:10,661 --> 00:52:13,653 -Here was-- -Why are you doing this to me? 733 00:52:13,831 --> 00:52:17,631 I'll tell you why. Twenty-three years ago, here-- 734 00:52:17,801 --> 00:52:22,466 Actually, here. Twenty-three years ago... 735 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:28,977 ...and here and over here, twice, you met my mother. 736 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,974 Big Wendy? 737 00:52:32,449 --> 00:52:35,851 -Dad. - I don't believe it. 738 00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:38,614 - I don't believe it. -I'm real. 739 00:52:38,789 --> 00:52:40,917 Oh, my God. 740 00:55:14,812 --> 00:55:17,611 And what accent are we doing now? I don't-- 741 00:55:21,018 --> 00:55:22,952 It's all right. Stop the filming. 742 00:55:37,501 --> 00:55:40,835 -The songs. Did you like the songs? -No. 743 00:55:41,672 --> 00:55:43,197 Goddamn it. 744 00:55:47,778 --> 00:55:50,770 So shameless. So shameless. 745 00:55:50,948 --> 00:55:54,350 -It's hard, because I'm not a good-- -Comedian? 746 00:55:54,518 --> 00:55:57,010 Not "comedian." 747 00:55:58,021 --> 00:56:00,217 You're a wonderful comedian. You're very good. 60840

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