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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:48,265 --> 00:00:50,093 Just put-- I mean, is-- If I fuck up, 2 00:00:50,267 --> 00:00:52,182 - I'll just keep going, right? - Yeah. 3 00:00:52,356 --> 00:00:53,836 And you can always cut in and cut out. 4 00:00:54,010 --> 00:00:55,490 - Yeah. - We'll do it a couple of times 5 00:00:55,664 --> 00:00:56,708 and it should give you a nervous breakdown 6 00:00:56,882 --> 00:00:58,536 in the editing room. Yeah? 7 00:00:58,710 --> 00:00:59,885 Let's take it from the top and all the way 8 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:01,061 and then we should do it. 9 00:01:01,235 --> 00:01:03,976 Cool. Hang on. 10 00:01:04,151 --> 00:01:06,066 - And mark. 11 00:01:35,573 --> 00:01:37,662 ??People talking ??/i> 12 00:01:37,836 --> 00:01:40,100 ??And they're saying that you're leaving ??/i> 13 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,321 ??So unhappy ??/i> 14 00:01:44,495 --> 00:01:48,151 ??With the way that you've been living ??/i> 15 00:01:48,325 --> 00:01:49,587 ??Oh oh oh ??/i> 16 00:01:49,761 --> 00:01:52,590 ??We always wish for money ??/i> 17 00:01:52,764 --> 00:01:55,332 ??We always wish for fame ??/i> 18 00:01:55,506 --> 00:01:58,379 ??We think we have the answers ??/i> 19 00:01:58,553 --> 00:02:03,601 ??Some things ain't ever gonna change [change] ??/i> 20 00:02:03,775 --> 00:02:07,039 ??It doesn't matter who you are ??/i> 21 00:02:07,214 --> 00:02:09,781 ??It's all the same [change] ??/i> 22 00:02:09,955 --> 00:02:13,176 ??What's in your heart will never change ??/i> 23 00:02:13,350 --> 00:02:14,308 ??Yeah ??/i> 24 00:02:16,962 --> 00:02:22,054 ??Oh, whoa ??/i> 25 00:02:42,292 --> 00:02:45,295 ??Her ID says she's 21 ??/i> 26 00:02:45,469 --> 00:02:48,124 ??But she's just 17 ??/i> 27 00:02:48,298 --> 00:02:51,649 ??Her apron says Mary ??/i> 28 00:02:51,823 --> 00:02:54,435 ??But her real name is Jean ??/i> 29 00:02:54,609 --> 00:02:58,482 ??She's working cleaning tables off ??/i> 30 00:02:58,656 --> 00:03:01,137 ??At the local Dairy Queen ??/i> 31 00:03:01,311 --> 00:03:03,444 ??And she's the real thing ??/i> 32 00:03:03,618 --> 00:03:05,054 ??Yeah ??/i> 33 00:03:06,011 --> 00:03:09,798 Well, we canceled all the work, uh, for this year. 34 00:03:11,147 --> 00:03:13,280 We were-- We got up to a really flying start, 35 00:03:13,454 --> 00:03:15,412 you know, and then it just stopped 36 00:03:15,586 --> 00:03:17,762 and everything was moved to next year. 37 00:03:17,936 --> 00:03:20,591 But now, they're saying next year isn't gonna really be 38 00:03:20,765 --> 00:03:22,680 a possibility either. 39 00:03:22,854 --> 00:03:26,380 So, uh, you know, you roll with the punches. 40 00:03:26,554 --> 00:03:29,426 It's-- it's a strain on-- on everybody. 41 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,080 I don't know how we're gonna come through it, 42 00:03:31,254 --> 00:03:32,864 but people always do. 43 00:03:33,038 --> 00:03:35,650 I'm very positive about the future, you know. 44 00:03:35,824 --> 00:03:38,043 What did you miss the most? 45 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:41,612 Just being able to get out and meet people and interact. 46 00:03:41,786 --> 00:03:43,440 I think that's really what happens. 47 00:03:43,614 --> 00:03:46,704 You stop talking to people. Difficult, you know. 48 00:03:47,488 --> 00:03:49,054 Nice to see you again. Was that-- 49 00:03:49,229 --> 00:03:51,143 Wasn't it one of the first Babys appearances here? 50 00:03:51,318 --> 00:03:52,580 Yeah, it was the first in America. 51 00:03:52,754 --> 00:03:54,451 - Was it really? - Yeah. That was it. 52 00:03:54,625 --> 00:03:57,062 Many moons ago. Next-- next and moving beyond that. 53 00:03:57,237 --> 00:03:59,195 Let me ask you why-- at this stage of your life, 54 00:03:59,369 --> 00:04:01,153 why don't you just don't go in the studio 55 00:04:01,328 --> 00:04:03,678 and just record all the time and never bother to go on tour? 56 00:04:03,852 --> 00:04:05,201 Why go through that agony? 57 00:04:05,375 --> 00:04:06,202 Well, it's always good to perform live. 58 00:04:06,376 --> 00:04:07,464 I prefer that, actually. 59 00:04:07,638 --> 00:04:08,465 That's what I do best, really. 60 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:10,162 Studio is great, 61 00:04:10,337 --> 00:04:11,729 but it's great to go in front of the kids. 62 00:04:15,907 --> 00:04:18,693 Wanna thank you all for coming out on a Tuesday night 63 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,043 'cause I know it's kind of a weird night 64 00:04:21,217 --> 00:04:24,699 and, um, we expected about six people, 65 00:04:24,873 --> 00:04:26,396 - but, um... 66 00:04:26,570 --> 00:04:27,658 - You know. - 67 00:04:27,832 --> 00:04:29,051 Well, thank you. No, it's, uh, 68 00:04:29,225 --> 00:04:30,792 it's great to see you 69 00:04:30,966 --> 00:04:32,402 and I'm really grateful to you. Thanks for... 70 00:04:32,576 --> 00:04:35,710 He is very outta sorts not touring. 71 00:04:36,754 --> 00:04:39,453 He doesn't have that many close friends, 72 00:04:39,627 --> 00:04:41,672 like-- like girls do. 73 00:04:41,846 --> 00:04:44,153 You know, we like to hang out together more. 74 00:04:44,327 --> 00:04:47,199 And so the band for John is-- is his-- 75 00:04:47,374 --> 00:04:49,854 It's his bromance time. 76 00:04:51,508 --> 00:04:52,596 ??Every time I think of you ??/i> 77 00:04:54,555 --> 00:04:57,558 ??I always catch my breath ??/i> 78 00:04:58,950 --> 00:05:01,779 ??And I'm still standing here ??/i> 79 00:05:01,953 --> 00:05:04,304 ??And you're miles away ??/i> 80 00:05:04,478 --> 00:05:07,176 ??And I'm wondering why you left ??/i> 81 00:05:08,699 --> 00:05:10,135 What's difficult? 82 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:11,528 Difficult just means, you know what? 83 00:05:11,702 --> 00:05:12,790 You're-- you're passionate. 84 00:05:12,964 --> 00:05:14,618 You know who the fuck you are. 85 00:05:14,792 --> 00:05:16,446 You don't wanna deal with stupid fucking idiots. 86 00:05:16,968 --> 00:05:18,622 So, I-- You know, I get it. 87 00:05:18,796 --> 00:05:20,232 But, you know, look, believe me, 88 00:05:20,407 --> 00:05:22,191 there's lots of times I wanna just say 89 00:05:22,365 --> 00:05:24,715 how I really feel when I'm dealing with certain people 90 00:05:24,889 --> 00:05:27,892 and I'm-- I just kinda go, "Yeah, okay, I hear you." 91 00:05:28,502 --> 00:05:30,634 I don't know if John was built that way. 92 00:05:30,808 --> 00:05:32,680 And you know what? Good for him. 93 00:05:32,854 --> 00:05:34,464 But in my life, 94 00:05:34,638 --> 00:05:36,118 I've always gotten along with difficult people 95 00:05:36,292 --> 00:05:37,424 'cause I know they're just passionate people. 96 00:05:39,295 --> 00:05:41,558 ??I ain't missing you ??/i> 97 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:47,869 He doesn't like to be pushed, 98 00:05:48,043 --> 00:05:49,479 but at the same time, 99 00:05:49,653 --> 00:05:52,482 he understands the good of the project. 100 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:55,572 So, he would disagree, of course, 101 00:05:55,746 --> 00:05:57,269 we would agree, we disagree. 102 00:05:57,444 --> 00:05:59,750 But that's all the process. It's-- it's-- 103 00:05:59,924 --> 00:06:01,404 You know, you share, you share thoughts 104 00:06:01,578 --> 00:06:03,145 and you're-- you're in it together. 105 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:04,929 You-- you're one of the only producers 106 00:06:05,103 --> 00:06:06,801 he ever worked with that he still talks to, I think. 107 00:06:06,975 --> 00:06:10,674 That-- that could be. Listen, John, like I said, 108 00:06:10,848 --> 00:06:13,373 extraordinary talent like no other. 109 00:06:13,547 --> 00:06:15,505 I-- I mean, I've been very fortunate to work 110 00:06:15,679 --> 00:06:17,942 with great singers and I've worked with a lot of 'em 111 00:06:18,116 --> 00:06:19,814 that are brilliant. 112 00:06:19,988 --> 00:06:24,209 John is-- is one of the greatest singers in the world. 113 00:06:25,733 --> 00:06:28,605 ??Hey! ??/i> 114 00:06:28,779 --> 00:06:35,525 ??Down inside the bay ??/i> 115 00:06:41,749 --> 00:06:47,581 ??Women, you need ??/i> 116 00:06:51,976 --> 00:06:56,720 ??Love ??/i> 117 00:06:58,113 --> 00:06:59,157 ??Hey ??/i> 118 00:07:00,768 --> 00:07:01,986 ??Yeah ??/i> 119 00:07:06,469 --> 00:07:07,514 Wait. 120 00:07:10,995 --> 00:07:12,040 Wait. 121 00:07:15,783 --> 00:07:18,002 ??Oh yeah! ??/i> 122 00:07:19,569 --> 00:07:21,571 ??John Waite, twat ??/i> 123 00:07:37,065 --> 00:07:42,549 ??Hear the lonesome whippoorwill ??/i> 124 00:07:42,723 --> 00:07:45,377 ??He sounds too blue to fly ??/i> 125 00:07:45,552 --> 00:07:47,989 From The Babys to Bad English to his solo work 126 00:07:48,163 --> 00:07:51,427 across multiple decades, welcome John Waite. 127 00:07:51,601 --> 00:07:54,822 Well, Frank, nice talking to you. I'm in lockdown. 128 00:07:54,996 --> 00:07:57,172 So, I'm, uh, I'm doing laundry. 129 00:07:57,346 --> 00:07:59,740 The glamorous life of a rock star. 130 00:07:59,914 --> 00:08:02,046 Pretty much. Especially now. 131 00:08:03,787 --> 00:08:06,094 I pride myself in being pretty down-to-earth. 132 00:08:06,268 --> 00:08:09,489 You know, I'm working-class guy. I come from great people. 133 00:08:09,663 --> 00:08:15,451 We're not like-- we're not affected by artifice. 134 00:08:15,625 --> 00:08:18,019 You know, I mean, I come from a working-class background 135 00:08:18,193 --> 00:08:20,587 where people meant what they say and they-- 136 00:08:20,761 --> 00:08:22,458 they're kinda generous in their own way. 137 00:08:22,632 --> 00:08:24,852 And there's a way of going through life with dignity. 138 00:08:25,026 --> 00:08:27,942 And I think when you-- when you tap into show business, 139 00:08:28,116 --> 00:08:30,292 the very fact that it is show business, 140 00:08:30,466 --> 00:08:32,816 it's-- you're-- you're-- 141 00:08:33,295 --> 00:08:35,645 Being in a-- a room with a lot of people 142 00:08:35,819 --> 00:08:37,691 that believe in something that doesn't exist. 143 00:08:38,866 --> 00:08:41,042 It's all an illusion. You know, it's-- 144 00:08:41,216 --> 00:08:43,435 I mean, the art is the only thing that matters. 145 00:08:47,744 --> 00:08:49,964 And so I kinda circle the wagons. 146 00:08:50,138 --> 00:08:51,618 You know, I-- I kinda like-- 147 00:08:51,792 --> 00:08:55,796 I found out who I wanted to be in that situation 148 00:08:55,970 --> 00:08:57,058 and I stuck to it. 149 00:08:57,232 --> 00:08:59,713 And I didn't embrace the, uh, 150 00:08:59,887 --> 00:09:02,106 the phoniness of it, you know. 151 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,935 I knew people that were really great artists 152 00:09:06,197 --> 00:09:09,636 and I wouldn't make a fool of myself in front of them 153 00:09:09,810 --> 00:09:12,595 by going down this other path of like, you know, 154 00:09:12,769 --> 00:09:14,989 "Look at me, I'm fabulous." You know. So, it was-- 155 00:09:15,163 --> 00:09:17,034 it wasn't like a sacrifice or anything. 156 00:09:17,208 --> 00:09:19,123 It was just like I decided 157 00:09:19,297 --> 00:09:22,692 where I was gonna live in that situation. And I pulled back. 158 00:09:22,866 --> 00:09:25,826 ??Could cry ??/i> 159 00:09:27,958 --> 00:09:29,656 I'd like you all to meet a man 160 00:09:29,830 --> 00:09:31,919 who certainly qualifies as an award winner. 161 00:09:32,093 --> 00:09:34,486 He's got numerous billboard, cash box, 162 00:09:34,661 --> 00:09:37,751 and record World Awards, including the Triple Crown. 163 00:09:37,925 --> 00:09:41,319 Here he is to sing one of his really golden greats, 164 00:09:41,493 --> 00:09:43,757 "El Paso," Mr. Marty Robbins. 165 00:09:46,324 --> 00:09:47,891 ??Out in the West Texas 166 00:09:48,065 --> 00:09:49,719 ??Town of El Paso ??/i> 167 00:09:49,893 --> 00:09:53,505 ??I fell in love with a Mexican girl ??/i> 168 00:09:54,811 --> 00:09:58,293 Even as a young kid, when I was, like, five, 169 00:09:59,076 --> 00:10:02,210 I remember I used to bolt out school at four o'clock, 170 00:10:02,384 --> 00:10:04,473 run down the hill to catch the bus 171 00:10:04,647 --> 00:10:06,562 into the center of town, you know. 172 00:10:07,215 --> 00:10:11,132 As I was passing Kenneth Gardner's record store, 173 00:10:11,741 --> 00:10:13,917 there would be this Marty Robbin's 174 00:10:14,091 --> 00:10:16,877 Gunfighter Ballads and Trail Songs sound cover. 175 00:10:17,921 --> 00:10:20,184 And the guy going for his gun was the loner. 176 00:10:23,535 --> 00:10:26,713 And as soon as he said, "You can go now," 177 00:10:26,887 --> 00:10:28,889 I would bolt over the hills 178 00:10:29,063 --> 00:10:30,891 so I could spend another 30 seconds 179 00:10:31,065 --> 00:10:33,633 looking at this album cover, 'cause it was America, you know? 180 00:10:36,505 --> 00:10:39,508 And my five-year-old brain was like, 181 00:10:39,682 --> 00:10:42,859 "Look at me, Junior Cowboy." 182 00:10:44,295 --> 00:10:47,081 And I would be riding off into the sunset, 183 00:10:47,647 --> 00:10:50,954 having saved somebody from a fate worse than death. 184 00:11:07,754 --> 00:11:09,581 Me and my brother, Jo, 185 00:11:09,756 --> 00:11:13,107 we'd sit in front of the TV in the afternoons, you know, 186 00:11:13,281 --> 00:11:14,586 our moms, dads were at work. 187 00:11:15,587 --> 00:11:18,547 We'd watch the test card that, you know, 188 00:11:18,721 --> 00:11:20,592 technicians used to tune in the picture, 189 00:11:20,767 --> 00:11:23,334 'cause about every 45 minutes, 190 00:11:23,508 --> 00:11:25,249 this piece of music came around. 191 00:11:25,815 --> 00:11:28,035 It was like a cowboy progression. 192 00:11:28,209 --> 00:11:30,385 It was like, you know, The Magnificent Seven or something. 193 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,301 And we used to wait through all this crap 194 00:11:33,997 --> 00:11:36,217 just waiting for this-- this chorus to come up. 195 00:11:36,391 --> 00:11:39,394 'Cause it was like the West. There was something in there 196 00:11:39,568 --> 00:11:41,396 that we couldn't understand that we heard. 197 00:11:42,266 --> 00:11:43,964 Something bigger in those chord changes. 198 00:11:49,709 --> 00:11:52,450 One of our brightest young entertainers in England 199 00:11:52,624 --> 00:11:54,931 proved that he can be just as bright a star 200 00:11:55,105 --> 00:11:56,846 on Broadway in New York. 201 00:11:57,020 --> 00:11:59,414 That, of course, is the very talented, Tommy Steele. 202 00:12:00,415 --> 00:12:02,286 Well, Tommy Steele was like a-- 203 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:07,509 a song and dance film star, pop star. He was very famous. 204 00:12:08,902 --> 00:12:13,950 ??Singin' Tom ??/i> 205 00:12:14,124 --> 00:12:16,561 And in my brain, he was like, 206 00:12:16,736 --> 00:12:19,173 "That's Tommy Steel, the Steelman, you know?" 207 00:12:19,347 --> 00:12:22,219 So, I remember seeing this ukulele in this toy shop, 208 00:12:23,438 --> 00:12:25,745 a plastic Tommy Steele ukulele. 209 00:12:27,137 --> 00:12:28,791 It had a picture of Tommy on it. 210 00:12:28,965 --> 00:12:31,707 And I thought, you know, next stop is rock and roll. 211 00:12:31,881 --> 00:12:34,710 I'm gonna be a rock and roll cowboy in my head somewhere. 212 00:12:34,884 --> 00:12:37,365 And about two weeks after playing it, 213 00:12:37,539 --> 00:12:41,282 the Tommy Steele's sticker fell off it. 214 00:12:42,849 --> 00:12:44,764 And I-- I-- I-- I looked at it 215 00:12:44,938 --> 00:12:46,940 and I realized it was shaped like Mickey Mouse. 216 00:12:47,114 --> 00:12:50,857 It was like two ears and it was a Mickey Mouse ukulele 217 00:12:51,031 --> 00:12:53,163 and somebody had stuck a Tommy Steele sticker on it. 218 00:12:53,337 --> 00:12:55,296 And that was my first experience 219 00:12:55,470 --> 00:12:57,777 of the music business, really, you know. 220 00:12:59,256 --> 00:13:00,867 ??It's been a hard day's night ??/i> 221 00:13:01,041 --> 00:13:02,390 ??And I've been workin' like a dog ??/i> 222 00:13:02,564 --> 00:13:03,870 Somewhere around that period, 223 00:13:04,044 --> 00:13:06,307 I actually saw The Beatles movie. 224 00:13:07,134 --> 00:13:08,831 They'd suddenly become really big. 225 00:13:09,005 --> 00:13:13,357 They were unstoppable tsunami of working-class pride. 226 00:13:13,531 --> 00:13:15,316 You know, it was like they were from the Northwest, 227 00:13:15,490 --> 00:13:17,187 they're working class lads, 228 00:13:17,361 --> 00:13:19,537 but they were genius. Kinda they were-- they were it. 229 00:13:20,582 --> 00:13:23,019 So, one minute, I'm looking at this Marty Robbins album 230 00:13:23,715 --> 00:13:25,152 and I'm thinking it's cowboys and Indians. 231 00:13:25,326 --> 00:13:26,370 And then, it's The Beatles. 232 00:13:28,416 --> 00:13:29,373 Ladies and gentlemen, The Beatles. 233 00:13:30,635 --> 00:13:33,595 It was like suddenly, the future was right in front of me. 234 00:13:34,726 --> 00:13:36,816 Girls became really seriously important. 235 00:13:40,994 --> 00:13:43,300 Thank God there was a couple of teachers at school 236 00:13:43,474 --> 00:13:45,781 that let me take extra art classes 237 00:13:45,955 --> 00:13:49,611 so I could build up a portfolio and get into art college. 238 00:13:55,660 --> 00:13:58,011 A geography teacher of mine said 239 00:13:58,185 --> 00:14:00,100 that I would really basically amount to nothing. 240 00:14:00,752 --> 00:14:02,798 They-- they were wasting their time on me. 241 00:14:03,668 --> 00:14:05,845 Which makes me laugh when I read my old school report. 242 00:14:06,019 --> 00:14:07,629 He said, "Does not do well in groups." 243 00:14:08,195 --> 00:14:10,850 'Cause you know, that's the story of my life. 244 00:14:17,769 --> 00:14:19,380 But this woman, right, this woman who said 245 00:14:19,554 --> 00:14:21,208 that I wouldn't amount to anything, 246 00:14:21,382 --> 00:14:23,950 when The Babys were, like-- first charted in America, 247 00:14:24,124 --> 00:14:27,431 I went back to Lancaster with my girlfriend 248 00:14:27,605 --> 00:14:30,957 and we went in this shop to get a pie 249 00:14:31,566 --> 00:14:33,873 and she was working behind the counter. 250 00:14:35,135 --> 00:14:38,486 And I'm fresh back from America with a top 20 smash, you know. 251 00:14:40,096 --> 00:14:42,229 And she looked at me and I looked at her 252 00:14:42,403 --> 00:14:44,535 and it was like-- I didn't do anything. 253 00:14:45,275 --> 00:14:48,888 I couldn't go there. But, fuck, man. 254 00:14:49,932 --> 00:14:53,196 Does that sum up, you know, the school system? 255 00:14:54,241 --> 00:14:56,199 They didn't know what to do with me at all. 256 00:14:57,897 --> 00:15:00,725 But that was cool. I didn't know what to do with them. 257 00:15:04,468 --> 00:15:06,818 Can you imagine being, like, a creative kid? 258 00:15:06,993 --> 00:15:09,256 And really, I was alive, you know. 259 00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:13,086 I'd go home and watch sort of, like, really intense programs, 260 00:15:13,260 --> 00:15:14,304 just taking it all in. 261 00:15:14,478 --> 00:15:16,002 And I'd go back to school 262 00:15:16,176 --> 00:15:17,786 and there'd be somebody looking at me like, 263 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,093 "What are you looking at, Waite? Get out." 264 00:15:20,267 --> 00:15:22,312 And I would be just like, "What? What the fuck is going on?" 265 00:15:22,486 --> 00:15:24,401 You know, I-- I'm interested, What's happening?" 266 00:15:24,967 --> 00:15:26,447 And, um, they weren't having it 267 00:15:26,621 --> 00:15:30,755 'cause I wasn't, uh, public servant material. 268 00:15:31,626 --> 00:15:34,846 I had long hair and I was musical 269 00:15:35,891 --> 00:15:37,240 and I could draw and paint, 270 00:15:38,502 --> 00:15:41,288 but there was no window for that kind of a kid. 271 00:15:44,726 --> 00:15:47,903 And I used to stand out, but I wasn't backing down. 272 00:15:48,077 --> 00:15:50,384 It's a testament to being a rebel, I guess, on some level 273 00:15:50,558 --> 00:15:52,299 'cause I wasn't a big kid. 274 00:15:52,864 --> 00:15:54,866 Towards the end of my stay at school, 275 00:15:55,041 --> 00:15:57,217 I went up against a couple of real bastards 276 00:15:57,391 --> 00:16:00,263 and they really beat the shit out of me on a regular basis, 277 00:16:00,437 --> 00:16:02,570 but I didn't back down. 278 00:16:02,744 --> 00:16:05,007 And it was like, the story in my life would be like that. 279 00:16:05,181 --> 00:16:08,184 I mean, what are you gonna do? Disappear into yourself? 280 00:16:08,358 --> 00:16:10,143 Join the army? What are you gonna do? 281 00:16:10,317 --> 00:16:13,973 So, I was quite happy to be who I was. I was-- 282 00:16:14,147 --> 00:16:16,453 I had a very strong sense of self. 283 00:16:37,605 --> 00:16:40,042 I really didn't carry myself as a singer. 284 00:16:41,174 --> 00:16:43,524 I didn't. I mean, you have to sort of walk the walk 285 00:16:43,698 --> 00:16:46,092 at some point and say, "Yeah, that's what I do." 286 00:16:46,744 --> 00:16:50,879 I was extremely shy. I had to overcome it to be a singer, 287 00:16:52,098 --> 00:16:54,535 which is probably why I was saying, 288 00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:56,972 "I'm a songwriter and I play bass." 289 00:16:57,146 --> 00:16:58,756 I was leaving the singer part out. 290 00:16:58,930 --> 00:17:01,455 But being thrown in the deep end with The Babys, 291 00:17:01,629 --> 00:17:02,804 like, we need a singer. 292 00:17:03,326 --> 00:17:05,850 That's really where singing started for me. 293 00:17:07,983 --> 00:17:10,986 Adrian Millar was trying to put together a band 294 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,857 that was gonna take over the world. 295 00:17:13,815 --> 00:17:15,382 I like the way he talked, but I-- 296 00:17:15,556 --> 00:17:17,253 I couldn't see it in a practical sense. 297 00:17:17,427 --> 00:17:19,777 It just seemed impossible, you know? 298 00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:21,823 But I said I had a couple of songs 299 00:17:21,997 --> 00:17:23,694 and this is where he comes into it. 300 00:17:23,868 --> 00:17:24,869 I said I could sing. 301 00:17:26,654 --> 00:17:29,309 I mean, up against the wall like, "What you got, son?" 302 00:17:29,483 --> 00:17:33,052 "Well, I write songs, I play bass and yeah, I sing." 303 00:17:34,096 --> 00:17:37,012 And that's the first time I said it without blinking. 304 00:17:37,186 --> 00:17:38,796 You know, It just came outta nowhere. 305 00:17:38,970 --> 00:17:40,668 And we went in the studio-- 306 00:17:40,842 --> 00:17:42,278 Are you rolling? 307 00:17:42,452 --> 00:17:43,497 - And cut these two - Rolling. 308 00:17:43,671 --> 00:17:45,412 -- demos of me singing. 309 00:17:45,586 --> 00:17:47,631 ??I can feel ??/i> 310 00:17:47,805 --> 00:17:49,590 ??I can feel ??/i> 311 00:17:49,764 --> 00:17:52,027 ??I can feel the world spinning 'round ??/i> 312 00:17:52,201 --> 00:17:56,379 On the mic, in the studio, two-inch tape. 313 00:17:56,553 --> 00:17:58,207 You know, it was, like, serious. 314 00:17:58,773 --> 00:18:01,428 And, um, he crystallized everything. 315 00:18:02,168 --> 00:18:04,126 I saw myself immediately. He-- 316 00:18:04,822 --> 00:18:09,740 I remember I was in the studio singing this song 317 00:18:09,914 --> 00:18:12,265 and I changed one of the lyrics 'cause I do that. 318 00:18:12,439 --> 00:18:14,310 And when I'm in the moment, I just go off. 319 00:18:14,963 --> 00:18:17,966 And the manager leaned forward and hit the talkback, said, 320 00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:20,969 "We'll have the real lyric, you know." 321 00:18:21,535 --> 00:18:23,667 And I said, "No, you're not. I just changed it." 322 00:18:24,973 --> 00:18:27,497 I mean, I stepped right back in. 323 00:18:27,671 --> 00:18:30,979 Like, yes, I play bass. Yes, I write songs. 324 00:18:31,153 --> 00:18:32,415 Yes, I'm the singer. 325 00:18:33,460 --> 00:18:36,376 When I was in that position of being that person, 326 00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:38,552 I wasn't gonna compromise with anybody. 327 00:18:38,726 --> 00:18:40,554 I understand what it is. 328 00:18:41,859 --> 00:18:43,296 It's all one thing now. 329 00:18:43,470 --> 00:18:44,688 Are you ready? 330 00:18:44,862 --> 00:18:46,342 Now, I'm gonna sing. 331 00:18:46,516 --> 00:18:48,344 You rolling? All right, get ready. 332 00:18:48,518 --> 00:18:51,608 Adrian was actually going 'round the record companies 333 00:18:52,174 --> 00:18:54,481 playing these demos and getting a lot of interest 334 00:18:54,655 --> 00:18:59,355 from Warner Brothers, EMI, and Chrysalis. 335 00:19:00,487 --> 00:19:01,749 Just major companies, you know. 336 00:19:01,923 --> 00:19:03,664 He had these photographs 337 00:19:03,838 --> 00:19:05,666 of Wally, Tony, 338 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,624 Mike, and me. 339 00:19:08,669 --> 00:19:09,800 And he'd walk into 340 00:19:09,974 --> 00:19:11,454 every record company and say, 341 00:19:11,628 --> 00:19:13,064 "This is gonna be big, man." 342 00:19:13,239 --> 00:19:14,718 You know, he had a big mouth. 343 00:19:14,892 --> 00:19:17,199 He-- he walked the walk, you know. We loved it. 344 00:19:18,548 --> 00:19:20,071 And we weren't getting signed. 345 00:19:20,768 --> 00:19:24,075 People were interested, but they weren't getting it. 346 00:19:24,250 --> 00:19:26,077 Uh, Adrian had decided 347 00:19:26,252 --> 00:19:27,905 that we were gonna be called The Babys 348 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:29,864 'cause we just acted like a bunch of fucking babies 349 00:19:30,038 --> 00:19:31,822 as far as he was concerned, you know. 350 00:19:31,996 --> 00:19:36,871 He actually came back a logo and this sticker said Babys. 351 00:19:38,046 --> 00:19:41,005 And we sat in-- in Tully Street one day saying like, 352 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:43,094 "Why can't we get signed?" 353 00:19:44,357 --> 00:19:48,012 And I said, "Why don't you film it on videotape?" 354 00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:51,059 Which was very hard to come by. It was rare. 355 00:19:51,233 --> 00:19:53,017 It was just coming into being, you know. 356 00:19:53,583 --> 00:19:54,976 We could just, like, go and make a video 357 00:19:55,150 --> 00:19:56,369 and take it around the shop. 358 00:19:56,978 --> 00:19:59,415 "Somebody's gonna go for this. Absolutely. 359 00:19:59,589 --> 00:20:01,591 Come on, let's film it." And he did. 360 00:20:02,462 --> 00:20:06,553 Adrian hired a studio and we put our best clothes on. 361 00:20:07,162 --> 00:20:09,382 We took it around the record companies 362 00:20:09,556 --> 00:20:12,602 and we had a deal inside a month. 363 00:20:12,776 --> 00:20:14,604 Judy's in tune with a group 364 00:20:14,778 --> 00:20:17,303 you have never heard or seen before until right now. 365 00:20:18,913 --> 00:20:20,306 ??Oh, I got love that shows ??/i> 366 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,264 This is a television first, 367 00:20:22,438 --> 00:20:25,224 Action News is breaking a record before it's even been released. 368 00:20:25,398 --> 00:20:29,271 The video is a brand new concept in rock music circles. 369 00:20:29,445 --> 00:20:30,664 No one has ever done this before 370 00:20:30,838 --> 00:20:32,666 and I think it's an avenue that, 371 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,277 uh, is gonna be very, very big in the business. 372 00:20:35,451 --> 00:20:37,453 ??Oh, I got love that shows ??/i> 373 00:20:37,627 --> 00:20:39,150 Everybody was on the verge of video, 374 00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:41,979 but The Babys just got there first. 375 00:20:43,111 --> 00:20:46,462 It was gonna be the future, as it turned out with MTV. 376 00:20:46,636 --> 00:20:49,596 ??Then I've got the time ??/i> 377 00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:52,207 ??Yeah! ??/i> 378 00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:55,689 ??Do you say you love me ??/i> 379 00:20:55,863 --> 00:20:56,864 It was a famous signing. 380 00:20:57,038 --> 00:20:58,387 It was the first new band 381 00:20:58,561 --> 00:21:00,084 that signed a million-dollar deal. 382 00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:01,999 A million dollars. We didn't sing any of it. 383 00:21:02,173 --> 00:21:05,786 It was there to make the records to a support, you know. 384 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,570 But what did you see out of that million dollars? 385 00:21:07,744 --> 00:21:10,356 I saw, I think about 500 pounds I think, 386 00:21:10,878 --> 00:21:13,272 which to me was the most money I'd ever seen 387 00:21:13,446 --> 00:21:14,664 in one place at one time. 388 00:21:15,926 --> 00:21:18,451 That's how young we were, you know. 389 00:21:18,625 --> 00:21:20,714 That was just the most, you know, 390 00:21:20,888 --> 00:21:23,194 wonderful thing, to have 500 quid, you know. 391 00:21:24,979 --> 00:21:26,241 ??Say you love me ??/i> 392 00:21:26,415 --> 00:21:27,938 ??I know you do ??/i> 393 00:21:28,112 --> 00:21:31,377 ??Go anywhere I want you to ??/i> 394 00:21:31,551 --> 00:21:32,508 ??Yeah but ??/i> 395 00:21:32,682 --> 00:21:33,901 Record producer, 396 00:21:34,075 --> 00:21:35,816 Bob Ezrin, was in town, 397 00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:38,471 and he was doing some of the other bands at Chrysalis 398 00:21:38,645 --> 00:21:40,386 and we became part of the deal 399 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,040 'cause he'd had a lot of success with Alice Cooper. 400 00:21:45,782 --> 00:21:49,656 Bob came up like he understood and he-- 401 00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:52,223 he swore to me, he got it. 402 00:21:52,398 --> 00:21:54,487 You know, it was gonna be like, "Just come to Toronto, 403 00:21:54,661 --> 00:21:57,359 I got this studio, it's gonna be just the best, man. 404 00:21:57,533 --> 00:21:59,883 I'm gonna--" And you know, I was a kid, 405 00:22:00,057 --> 00:22:01,885 so I kinda believed the hype. 406 00:22:02,669 --> 00:22:06,281 And, um, we packed our bags and went to Toronto 407 00:22:06,934 --> 00:22:08,283 to work at his studio. 408 00:22:09,328 --> 00:22:12,461 And it didn't work out almost immediately. 409 00:22:13,462 --> 00:22:15,856 There was echo on everything, which we hated. 410 00:22:16,030 --> 00:22:18,162 We didn't need to be covered up with echo. 411 00:22:19,512 --> 00:22:21,383 And I actually stood up at one point, said, 412 00:22:21,557 --> 00:22:23,994 "Listen, this isn't what we do. 413 00:22:24,168 --> 00:22:26,780 You know, this is not what we came all the way 414 00:22:26,954 --> 00:22:29,130 from England to do. What are you doing? 415 00:22:29,304 --> 00:22:32,568 Because this is our lives, you know, we've paid for this." 416 00:22:33,177 --> 00:22:34,875 And he turned around and told me 417 00:22:35,049 --> 00:22:36,964 that I shouldn't be in a band and I couldn't sing. 418 00:22:40,402 --> 00:22:43,840 You know. Thank you. Thank you. 419 00:22:44,406 --> 00:22:47,670 When we came back on the plane, nobody spoke. 420 00:22:47,844 --> 00:22:51,848 We were destroyed. And we got it back to London 421 00:22:52,022 --> 00:22:54,764 and the record company hated it. The management hated it. 422 00:22:54,938 --> 00:22:57,506 Our wives and girlfriends hated it. 423 00:22:58,289 --> 00:23:01,728 And we were just like, "Fuck, after all this effort." 424 00:23:06,297 --> 00:23:08,169 He was really a cunt. 425 00:23:09,823 --> 00:23:11,738 1977 is definitely their year. 426 00:23:11,912 --> 00:23:13,479 Please welcome, The Babys. 427 00:23:17,961 --> 00:23:20,094 And they went ahead with the campaign 428 00:23:20,921 --> 00:23:22,226 and it was, like, insane. 429 00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:24,751 There was posters in the subways. 430 00:23:24,925 --> 00:23:28,189 In the subways, you know, The Babys. 431 00:23:28,363 --> 00:23:30,278 "It's a good job, they're just a rock and roll band." 432 00:23:30,452 --> 00:23:35,196 It was huge. And we were doing TV, like Super Sonic. 433 00:23:35,370 --> 00:23:38,808 We did Dinah Shore, Mike Douglas, 434 00:23:38,982 --> 00:23:40,941 and Midnight Special. 435 00:23:41,594 --> 00:23:45,119 It was, like, "Ready or not, we're gonna go with this." 436 00:23:45,293 --> 00:23:46,599 The Babys. 437 00:23:46,773 --> 00:23:48,688 ??Oh, I got love that grows ??/i> 438 00:23:48,862 --> 00:23:50,559 And here they're for the first time. 439 00:23:50,733 --> 00:23:52,126 - ??Oh I got love ??/i> - Here are The Babys. 440 00:23:53,562 --> 00:23:55,042 ??Oh, I got the love you need ??/i> 441 00:23:55,216 --> 00:23:57,261 But right there was kinda the end 442 00:23:58,393 --> 00:24:02,353 because we never were able to sort of pay back 443 00:24:02,528 --> 00:24:03,964 the price of that album. 444 00:24:05,139 --> 00:24:09,665 We had to make another one to, uh, get out of the debt. 445 00:24:11,232 --> 00:24:13,234 ??Far away from you ??/i> 446 00:24:13,408 --> 00:24:15,236 What advice do you give to people 447 00:24:15,410 --> 00:24:17,151 who are coming up in the business? 448 00:24:17,325 --> 00:24:19,066 - Get a lawyer. - Get a lawyer? 449 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,502 Yeah. And then get a lawyer to watch the first lawyer. 450 00:24:20,676 --> 00:24:21,982 That's right. 451 00:24:22,156 --> 00:24:23,331 Then get a second accountant 452 00:24:23,505 --> 00:24:24,593 to watch the first accountant. 453 00:24:24,767 --> 00:24:27,857 ??Sometimes I love ya ??/i> 454 00:24:28,031 --> 00:24:30,686 ??Ooh, I'm falling ??/i> 455 00:24:31,513 --> 00:24:33,733 Adrian had got into some argument 456 00:24:33,907 --> 00:24:35,212 with the record company. 457 00:24:35,386 --> 00:24:37,998 He wanted more money and he was like, 458 00:24:38,607 --> 00:24:41,697 "You are coming back right now. Get on a plane. It's finished. 459 00:24:41,871 --> 00:24:44,047 I'm gonna get you off the label." 460 00:24:44,526 --> 00:24:47,486 And I was like, "Well, it's going so well. 461 00:24:47,660 --> 00:24:52,969 We're on the TV, can't you just, like, negotiate something?" 462 00:24:53,143 --> 00:24:54,318 And he was adamant. 463 00:24:54,971 --> 00:24:58,018 We all looked at each other and it was like, 464 00:24:58,192 --> 00:25:01,630 "Are we gonna go home to that?" 465 00:25:04,328 --> 00:25:05,460 We just said no. 466 00:25:09,203 --> 00:25:12,380 Without Adrian, there would never been The Babys 467 00:25:13,512 --> 00:25:17,080 and I wouldn't be sitting here, really. 468 00:25:17,254 --> 00:25:18,952 I might have done a lot of work 469 00:25:19,126 --> 00:25:20,997 and I might have done a lot of things to make it work. 470 00:25:21,171 --> 00:25:23,522 Like, the sacrifice of, like, doing without a lot of things 471 00:25:23,696 --> 00:25:24,871 to make it work. 472 00:25:25,045 --> 00:25:27,526 But Adrian, it was his baby. 473 00:25:28,309 --> 00:25:29,702 He put it all together. 474 00:25:30,311 --> 00:25:33,793 And it just allowed me to write songs and be the singer. 475 00:25:33,967 --> 00:25:37,013 It was the only way I was gonna get forward in my life 476 00:25:37,187 --> 00:25:40,103 and I'll be-- I'll be grateful to Adrian, 477 00:25:41,235 --> 00:25:43,237 um, 'til the day I die, really, 478 00:25:43,411 --> 00:25:47,154 'cause, I mean, that's-- It-- it gave me a life, you know. 479 00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:55,684 The Babys were on Chrysalis 480 00:25:57,991 --> 00:26:00,210 and they asked me if I would get involved. 481 00:26:01,342 --> 00:26:04,824 And I explained to them I would take them on tour 482 00:26:04,998 --> 00:26:07,783 and I would promote in every single market 483 00:26:07,957 --> 00:26:11,961 a concert based on the number on the radio dial. 484 00:26:12,135 --> 00:26:16,096 So, if it was 92.7, it was 92 cents. 485 00:26:16,618 --> 00:26:19,447 If it was 101, it was a dollar one. 486 00:26:19,621 --> 00:26:22,015 ??Give it to me straight, doctor, I can take it ??/i> 487 00:26:22,189 --> 00:26:23,625 And we sold it out 488 00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:26,062 because all the Johnny Fever type DJs 489 00:26:26,236 --> 00:26:29,500 just played the shit out of the record and off we went. 490 00:26:30,066 --> 00:26:33,809 The end of the tour, the head of accounting pointed out 491 00:26:33,983 --> 00:26:37,030 to them that I had spent $600,000 of their money. 492 00:26:39,075 --> 00:26:41,687 They were worthy of the-- the whole scheme 493 00:26:41,861 --> 00:26:43,079 because that first record 494 00:26:43,253 --> 00:26:45,212 did a couple million copies. 495 00:26:45,386 --> 00:26:47,606 The second record did a couple of million copies. 496 00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:49,695 And Chrysalis made all their money back 497 00:26:49,869 --> 00:26:51,610 and it had a successful band. 498 00:26:53,699 --> 00:26:55,962 ??Me and my girl, we don't like rules ??/i> 499 00:26:56,136 --> 00:26:57,877 ??Living hard and fast ??/i> 500 00:26:58,051 --> 00:27:00,444 There's a punchline to this that's very funny. 501 00:27:00,619 --> 00:27:03,970 The $600,000 that I spent, they-- 502 00:27:04,144 --> 00:27:06,668 they charged back to the band. 503 00:27:06,842 --> 00:27:08,322 ??She's my ??/i> 504 00:27:08,496 --> 00:27:10,280 ??She's my girl ??/i> 505 00:27:10,454 --> 00:27:12,239 That's the nature of the beast. 506 00:27:12,413 --> 00:27:16,330 The mechanics of the music business of that particular era 507 00:27:17,157 --> 00:27:19,725 was they would spend a $100,000 on a video. 508 00:27:19,899 --> 00:27:22,336 They would spend a $100,000 on a tour. 509 00:27:23,032 --> 00:27:24,686 Even if you sold a million, 510 00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:28,385 you pretty much were in the hole for half a million 511 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:31,040 and then you were making another record. 512 00:27:31,824 --> 00:27:34,043 So, by the time you got to the next record, 513 00:27:34,217 --> 00:27:36,350 even if you were successful and sold a million, 514 00:27:36,524 --> 00:27:38,874 two million, three, you ended up owing the record company 515 00:27:39,048 --> 00:27:40,920 three, four million dollars. 516 00:27:41,094 --> 00:27:44,314 And this was from the late '70s to the '90s was, 517 00:27:44,488 --> 00:27:46,621 uh, was standard procedure. 518 00:27:46,795 --> 00:27:47,840 ??She's my ??/i> 519 00:27:48,014 --> 00:27:49,885 ??She's my girl ??/i> 520 00:27:51,234 --> 00:27:53,541 Yeah, I think they somehow did some fancy footwork 521 00:27:53,715 --> 00:27:55,021 with the accounting. 522 00:27:55,195 --> 00:27:56,762 If you're looking at record companies 523 00:27:56,936 --> 00:27:58,372 and you're looking at a really great example 524 00:27:58,546 --> 00:28:01,854 of ruthless: Chrysalis. 525 00:28:03,159 --> 00:28:04,465 Were you making any money? 526 00:28:04,639 --> 00:28:05,727 No. 527 00:28:06,728 --> 00:28:08,077 What-- what kind of money did you make? 528 00:28:08,251 --> 00:28:09,209 You were touring like crazy. 529 00:28:09,383 --> 00:28:10,645 200 bucks a week. 530 00:28:11,820 --> 00:28:13,300 And they paid your rent? 531 00:28:13,474 --> 00:28:15,563 Yeah, they paid the rent and 200 bucks a week. 532 00:28:15,737 --> 00:28:18,305 And I was buying stage clothes out of that, you know. 533 00:28:19,436 --> 00:28:20,916 And, um-- 534 00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:22,222 Where did all the money go? 535 00:28:23,005 --> 00:28:25,442 Tour. You know, underwriting a tour. 536 00:28:25,616 --> 00:28:29,011 And, um, I'd already signed away 537 00:28:29,185 --> 00:28:31,797 my publishings to get tour support, 538 00:28:31,971 --> 00:28:34,495 which was not the most-- brightest thing to do, 539 00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:35,931 but I was a kid. 540 00:28:36,105 --> 00:28:38,368 But, uh-- and I would do it again, 541 00:28:38,542 --> 00:28:40,196 I suppose, in that situation, you know. 542 00:28:40,936 --> 00:28:42,416 Give them something to get the advance 543 00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:44,244 to float a tour to make the whole thing work. 544 00:28:45,636 --> 00:28:48,770 I wouldn't do it now, but, um, you know, 545 00:28:48,944 --> 00:28:50,554 you had to give everything you had, you know. 546 00:28:53,427 --> 00:28:56,430 ??We're gonna turn our backs on love ??/i> 547 00:28:59,999 --> 00:29:02,741 I remember a couple of years later, 548 00:29:04,003 --> 00:29:07,833 I had $6,000 for six years work. 549 00:29:08,311 --> 00:29:10,226 Five albums, five tours. 550 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,884 And $6,000. Yeah, Chrysalis. 551 00:29:18,713 --> 00:29:22,978 ??And every time I think of you, babe ??/i> 552 00:29:23,152 --> 00:29:26,982 ??Every time I think of you, yeah ??/i> 553 00:29:27,156 --> 00:29:30,986 ??Every time I think of you ??/i> 554 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,556 ??It always turns out good ??/i> 555 00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:39,081 ??Every time I think of you ??/i> 556 00:29:39,255 --> 00:29:42,824 ??Every time I think of you ??/i> 557 00:29:44,347 --> 00:29:47,568 ??Every time I think of you ??/i> 558 00:29:56,620 --> 00:30:01,103 I remember going up to Chrysalis's offices on Sunset. 559 00:30:01,887 --> 00:30:05,412 And I had a mandate from the record company 560 00:30:05,586 --> 00:30:10,547 to make an album that was radio-friendly, let's say. 561 00:30:10,721 --> 00:30:15,204 We could get some hits going on. And the way to-- 562 00:30:15,378 --> 00:30:19,382 to do it in those days, I thought, was a power ballad. 563 00:30:21,428 --> 00:30:23,734 ??Had a vision on the Golden Mile ??/i> 564 00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:26,389 A lot of the stuff that John was writing 565 00:30:26,563 --> 00:30:30,741 was a little dark and it didn't have the pop appeal, I thought. 566 00:30:31,568 --> 00:30:33,266 So, I suggested a song 567 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,096 by Jack Conrad and Ray Kennedy called "Isn't It Time". 568 00:30:38,184 --> 00:30:40,229 And they absolutely hated it. 569 00:30:41,274 --> 00:30:42,841 "Do we have to do this?" 570 00:30:43,537 --> 00:30:46,583 And I went, "Yeah, we have to do it." 571 00:30:46,757 --> 00:30:49,543 And that was the first time 572 00:30:49,717 --> 00:30:51,980 and I think that personality-wise, 573 00:30:52,154 --> 00:30:54,504 that I got off on the wrong foot with John Waite. 574 00:30:54,678 --> 00:30:56,942 And I can appreciate the fact that 575 00:30:57,116 --> 00:30:59,031 here they were, a big signing, 576 00:30:59,205 --> 00:31:03,862 and they're being asked to do something that wasn't theirs. 577 00:31:06,168 --> 00:31:09,955 There was a reluctance from John to really sing the song. 578 00:31:11,391 --> 00:31:13,523 And when it got to the chorus, 579 00:31:13,697 --> 00:31:16,309 I ended up using background singers. 580 00:31:17,353 --> 00:31:19,181 It ended up okay. 581 00:31:20,791 --> 00:31:22,489 I used it like an answer. 582 00:31:23,185 --> 00:31:24,230 I had John to sing, 583 00:31:24,404 --> 00:31:26,623 ??Isn't it time ??/i> 584 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,148 And the girls were singing, 585 00:31:29,322 --> 00:31:31,977 ??Falling in love will be your mistake ??/i> 586 00:31:32,151 --> 00:31:34,066 And-- and it worked out. 587 00:31:37,765 --> 00:31:41,725 Looking back at making the record, Ron was saying, 588 00:31:42,770 --> 00:31:44,076 "Did we have a single?" 589 00:31:44,772 --> 00:31:46,208 And we never thought about that. 590 00:31:46,382 --> 00:31:47,906 It was-- Just wasn't important. Now we-- 591 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,951 we were all content to make great records, 592 00:31:50,125 --> 00:31:51,344 you know, back then. 593 00:31:52,258 --> 00:31:53,520 And we thought about it and said, 594 00:31:53,694 --> 00:31:55,130 "Well, you know, maybe we don't. 595 00:31:55,304 --> 00:31:57,132 Is it important?" You know. 596 00:31:57,698 --> 00:32:00,657 He said, "I got this song called, 'Isn't It Time.' 597 00:32:00,831 --> 00:32:02,703 Do you wanna listen to it?" 598 00:32:03,834 --> 00:32:05,358 And I listened. 599 00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:09,666 There's this guy on the piano who sounds like he's on ludes. 600 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,453 You know, he's like, "Isn't it time?" 601 00:32:13,627 --> 00:32:15,672 You know and I listened to it and I thought, 602 00:32:15,846 --> 00:32:18,458 "Fuckin' hell, you know. What's he on?" 603 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:21,069 And he said, "Listen, there's a song in there. 604 00:32:21,591 --> 00:32:23,767 There really is. You know, just listen." 605 00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:26,814 And I listened and we all listened, you know, 606 00:32:26,988 --> 00:32:28,294 we were all musical. 607 00:32:28,468 --> 00:32:29,904 And we looked at it and it was like, 608 00:32:30,078 --> 00:32:32,733 "Well, you know, we have some studio time." 609 00:32:32,907 --> 00:32:34,300 But we went out in the room 610 00:32:34,474 --> 00:32:36,432 and we started to work up an arrangement. 611 00:32:37,129 --> 00:32:39,174 We all have did our thing, you know. 612 00:32:39,348 --> 00:32:41,263 Wally was really great in the chorus 613 00:32:41,437 --> 00:32:43,874 with this driving sort of, like, AC/DC thing. 614 00:32:44,701 --> 00:32:47,226 And I threw in the "Hey, babe" thing, you know, 615 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,141 to give it more momentum. 616 00:32:49,315 --> 00:32:53,101 ??Hey, babe, isn't it time? ??/i> 617 00:32:54,537 --> 00:32:56,844 And then we had these backup singers come in, 618 00:32:57,323 --> 00:33:00,195 which was like a dream come true, it was like, you know, 619 00:33:00,369 --> 00:33:01,936 Motown for me. 620 00:33:03,894 --> 00:33:05,026 ??Falling in love was the last thing 621 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,594 ??I had on my mind ??/i> 622 00:33:08,421 --> 00:33:10,510 When that got out on the radio, 623 00:33:10,684 --> 00:33:13,556 what a terrific thing that was. 624 00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:18,039 That marriage of English rock and the R 625 00:33:18,213 --> 00:33:20,259 ??Sitting here all alone ??/i> 626 00:33:20,433 --> 00:33:22,522 ??Just trying to decide ??/i> 627 00:33:22,696 --> 00:33:24,350 I'm sure The Babys hated it. 628 00:33:26,091 --> 00:33:27,396 I'm sure of it. 629 00:33:28,702 --> 00:33:32,575 But I-- I felt like, uh, in the end, 630 00:33:32,749 --> 00:33:36,362 I delivered what I was asked to deliver by the people 631 00:33:36,536 --> 00:33:37,928 that hired me. 632 00:33:38,103 --> 00:33:39,800 ??Isn't it time ??/i> 633 00:33:39,974 --> 00:33:42,498 ??Isn't it time, it took time to wait ??/i> 634 00:33:42,672 --> 00:33:45,980 ??Falling in love could be your mistake ??/i> 635 00:33:46,154 --> 00:33:47,721 ??Isn't it time ??/i> 636 00:33:47,895 --> 00:33:50,245 ??Isn't it time you took time to wait ??/i> 637 00:33:50,419 --> 00:33:51,986 ??Falling in love could be your mistake ??/i> 638 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,640 It finished the album 639 00:33:53,814 --> 00:33:57,252 and it suddenly looked like a bona fide hit. 640 00:33:58,862 --> 00:33:59,907 We were proud of it. 641 00:34:00,734 --> 00:34:04,042 Went to that number 14 and the top 20 Billboard. 642 00:34:05,173 --> 00:34:07,132 Nevison says asking you to do, 643 00:34:07,306 --> 00:34:09,438 "Isn't It Time" is where you and he started to fall out. 644 00:34:09,612 --> 00:34:13,007 Oh, it's bullshit. That's just not true. 645 00:34:13,181 --> 00:34:15,444 Because he was on head first the next album. 646 00:34:15,618 --> 00:34:17,142 If I fall out with you, 647 00:34:17,316 --> 00:34:18,752 it's kinda like you've done something serious. 648 00:34:22,408 --> 00:34:24,801 It's hard to describe what was going on with him. 649 00:34:25,715 --> 00:34:27,152 When we had the first meeting, 650 00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:29,676 he leaned in at one point and said, 651 00:34:29,850 --> 00:34:32,070 "You know, sometimes I'm gonna be really difficult." 652 00:34:33,810 --> 00:34:36,030 And I leaned back in and said, "Really?" 653 00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:39,555 He was trying to set it up 654 00:34:39,729 --> 00:34:41,688 that he was gonna be an asshole in the studio 655 00:34:41,862 --> 00:34:42,993 and I wasn't having it. 656 00:34:43,820 --> 00:34:46,084 But he actually put that into the conversation. 657 00:34:46,867 --> 00:34:49,130 Like, "Get ready 'cause I'm a real problem." 658 00:34:51,828 --> 00:34:55,484 But I hadn't had a problem enough to not work with him. 659 00:34:56,355 --> 00:34:59,749 You know, I think we had a talk about what we were gonna do 660 00:34:59,923 --> 00:35:01,795 before I went in the studio. And it-- and it was good. 661 00:35:01,969 --> 00:35:05,146 I mean that album was really a good album 662 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,843 and he went with me on it. 663 00:35:08,454 --> 00:35:10,630 ??Every time I think of you ??/i> 664 00:35:12,458 --> 00:35:16,114 ??It always turns out good ??/i> 665 00:35:16,288 --> 00:35:18,507 Well, I thought John was a star. I always did. 666 00:35:18,681 --> 00:35:20,335 I still do, actually. 667 00:35:20,509 --> 00:35:24,600 But, um, for all artists who aspire to that position 668 00:35:24,774 --> 00:35:27,299 in the marketplace and in people's minds, 669 00:35:27,473 --> 00:35:29,388 you have to be an egomaniac 670 00:35:29,562 --> 00:35:32,434 and you have to be driven and you have to be self-absorbed. 671 00:35:33,218 --> 00:35:35,742 It's almost a prerequisite for success. The ones-- 672 00:35:35,916 --> 00:35:39,137 the ones that are not really don't make it. 673 00:35:42,009 --> 00:35:46,796 ??But maybe I was wrong not knowing how our love should go ??/i> 674 00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:50,060 ??How our love, how our love should go ??/i> 675 00:35:50,235 --> 00:35:53,629 ??But I wasn't wrong not knowing how our love would grow ??/i> 676 00:35:53,803 --> 00:35:56,850 You know, The Babys, they were a piece of work. 677 00:35:57,590 --> 00:36:00,897 Michael was just as big an egomaniac as John, 678 00:36:01,071 --> 00:36:02,725 but he was not the lead singer. 679 00:36:03,378 --> 00:36:05,772 Plus he-- You know, John was miserable at a time 680 00:36:05,946 --> 00:36:07,861 when he should have been having a ball, you know. 681 00:36:12,692 --> 00:36:14,781 When we were making the third album 682 00:36:16,043 --> 00:36:21,483 and we'd gone down to San Diego to play a show and it sold out. 683 00:36:23,006 --> 00:36:25,792 We got, like, two songs before the end 684 00:36:26,749 --> 00:36:31,841 and Mike smashes his guitar and starts screaming, 685 00:36:32,015 --> 00:36:33,974 "Fuck off. Fuck you," at the audience. 686 00:36:34,757 --> 00:36:36,498 And he walked off stage. 687 00:36:37,543 --> 00:36:41,373 We had no idea what he was talking about or what happened. 688 00:36:42,722 --> 00:36:45,333 The audience just looked at us like, "What the fuck was that?" 689 00:36:45,507 --> 00:36:48,206 And we looked at the audience like, "We don't fucking know." 690 00:36:50,077 --> 00:36:51,513 I think he said 691 00:36:51,687 --> 00:36:52,558 that the audience weren't digging him 692 00:36:52,732 --> 00:36:54,081 or something, you know. 693 00:36:54,255 --> 00:36:55,909 And we got on the bus to come home 694 00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:59,086 and Mike was getting really drunk 695 00:36:59,956 --> 00:37:02,045 and he come up and sat in front seat 696 00:37:03,133 --> 00:37:05,440 and started to tell me what he felt about me. 697 00:37:06,963 --> 00:37:08,878 That I'm fucking useless. 698 00:37:11,054 --> 00:37:12,142 And I lost it. 699 00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:16,321 For the first time in three years, I lost it. 700 00:37:19,367 --> 00:37:22,501 And we got into a complete fist fight on this bus 701 00:37:23,197 --> 00:37:24,503 and we got dragged apart. 702 00:37:25,765 --> 00:37:29,769 We got to the apartment, got off the bus, started up again. 703 00:37:29,943 --> 00:37:31,988 The fist fight just continued, you know. 704 00:37:32,162 --> 00:37:34,252 And we were, like, rolling around, you know, 705 00:37:34,426 --> 00:37:36,950 really hardcore. And he came up with a broken bottle, 706 00:37:38,081 --> 00:37:40,301 you know, out of nowhere. It was Michelob. 707 00:37:40,475 --> 00:37:43,391 I hate Michelob beer. It has a big wide mouth on it 708 00:37:43,565 --> 00:37:45,437 and he smashed this bottle and come up, 709 00:37:45,959 --> 00:37:48,004 you know, a broken bottle. 710 00:37:49,571 --> 00:37:52,270 Wow. You know, where did that come from? 711 00:37:53,532 --> 00:37:56,665 And, uh, Tony jumped on him. Ron Stone jumped on him. 712 00:37:56,839 --> 00:37:58,972 We got pulled apart again, but a broken bottle. 713 00:38:03,498 --> 00:38:06,414 But when he got fired, and this is the truth, 714 00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:09,287 we offered him an equal share. 715 00:38:09,461 --> 00:38:11,201 We said, "Look man, if we finally get outta debt, 716 00:38:11,376 --> 00:38:12,899 we started this thing together 717 00:38:13,465 --> 00:38:16,859 and we'll honor the future for as long 718 00:38:17,033 --> 00:38:19,688 as the band's together, you can have 25% of the profits. 719 00:38:19,862 --> 00:38:22,648 Should it ever come to that." We did say that. 720 00:38:23,213 --> 00:38:25,085 But, uh, we didn't get outta debt, 721 00:38:25,259 --> 00:38:26,826 so it didn't really matter. 722 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,480 I mean it's comical now, but it was done in a way, 723 00:38:28,654 --> 00:38:32,397 there was no, um-- there was no argument. 724 00:38:33,441 --> 00:38:35,313 I mean, somebody's trying to fuck you up 725 00:38:35,487 --> 00:38:36,531 with a broken bottle. 726 00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:41,275 How do you deal with that? You know. 727 00:38:44,234 --> 00:38:46,324 ??Every time I think of you ??/i> 728 00:38:48,238 --> 00:38:51,416 ??I always catch my breath ??/i> 729 00:38:51,590 --> 00:38:54,419 ??And I'm still standing here ??/i> 730 00:38:54,593 --> 00:38:57,160 ??And you're miles away ??/i> 731 00:38:57,335 --> 00:39:00,599 ??And I'm wondering why you left ??/i> 732 00:39:00,773 --> 00:39:02,775 ??And there's a storm that's raging ??/i> 733 00:39:02,949 --> 00:39:04,254 Do you look at your library? 734 00:39:04,429 --> 00:39:06,213 Do you look at your catalog and say, 735 00:39:06,387 --> 00:39:08,650 "Whoa, this is me? This was my music?" 736 00:39:08,824 --> 00:39:11,697 Yeah. Only-- only recently, I've started to look back 737 00:39:11,871 --> 00:39:13,438 at different periods like LA with The Babys. 738 00:39:13,612 --> 00:39:15,222 Right. Right. 739 00:39:15,396 --> 00:39:17,616 Me going solo and then Bad English and-- 740 00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:19,661 and then going solo again. 741 00:39:19,835 --> 00:39:22,447 And I'm starting to lose perspective. 742 00:39:22,621 --> 00:39:24,449 Some of it's closer than the other parts, you know. 743 00:39:24,623 --> 00:39:25,798 Right. Right. 744 00:39:25,972 --> 00:39:27,452 I mean being 28, 745 00:39:27,626 --> 00:39:29,279 it's the same as being 38 now, isn't it? 746 00:39:29,454 --> 00:39:31,107 Well, you've-- I mean you've worked with everyone. 747 00:39:31,281 --> 00:39:32,282 - You have worked with everyone. - Yeah, I have. 748 00:39:32,457 --> 00:39:34,284 I want you to be honest with me 749 00:39:34,459 --> 00:39:36,243 and tell me who was a real pain in the ass to work with. 750 00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:39,855 I can't tell you that. I can't. I would love to. 751 00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:41,030 Come on! 752 00:39:41,204 --> 00:39:43,076 Come on, Michael, no. 753 00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:44,425 First name. First name. 754 00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:45,731 No, no. 755 00:39:45,905 --> 00:39:46,862 Last name. 756 00:39:47,036 --> 00:39:48,734 No. Both names. No. 757 00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:55,610 What do you miss most about 758 00:39:55,784 --> 00:39:59,266 your past life before Covid? 759 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,487 Well, playing live. I miss the band. 760 00:40:02,661 --> 00:40:04,489 You know, they're sort of my closest friends 761 00:40:04,663 --> 00:40:08,014 and-- and we do about 70 days a year. 762 00:40:08,188 --> 00:40:12,453 So, I'm doing a lot of reading, just painting. 763 00:40:12,627 --> 00:40:15,413 We're doing-- doing our best to get through. 764 00:40:15,587 --> 00:40:18,154 But he will come back and I think when he comes back, 765 00:40:18,328 --> 00:40:20,548 everybody's gonna be raring to go. 766 00:40:20,722 --> 00:40:24,596 The shows will be great. The audiences will be great. 767 00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:26,336 We'll be glad to see each other. 768 00:40:26,511 --> 00:40:28,817 It'll be a warm, wonderful celebration of music. 769 00:40:28,991 --> 00:40:31,907 You know, any-- anytime he's ready to go, 770 00:40:32,081 --> 00:40:33,343 I'm there. 771 00:40:35,955 --> 00:40:38,044 What are my issues about the couch? 772 00:40:38,827 --> 00:40:41,134 You want so much space. 773 00:40:41,308 --> 00:40:42,788 It's just you can't have enough space. 774 00:40:42,962 --> 00:40:46,008 You can't say please, you can't say thank you. 775 00:40:47,923 --> 00:40:50,056 I honestly can't wait for it. 776 00:40:57,019 --> 00:41:00,849 I'm asking myself what keeps me here a lot lately 777 00:41:01,023 --> 00:41:03,591 since the world has shut down. 778 00:41:05,898 --> 00:41:09,684 Because we've been living in this extreme temperature 779 00:41:09,858 --> 00:41:13,862 of emotions that are uncomfortable, 780 00:41:14,036 --> 00:41:17,605 lots of fear, you know, whether that's 781 00:41:17,779 --> 00:41:24,569 a self-destructive alcohol thing or di-- disengaging. 782 00:41:25,961 --> 00:41:27,223 Do you have your mask? 783 00:41:28,181 --> 00:41:29,487 Yeah. 784 00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:33,012 I'm sure it's brought on by him not touring. 785 00:41:36,406 --> 00:41:40,367 It really is one of those things where you don't always 786 00:41:40,541 --> 00:41:45,241 know why you have it for someone. 787 00:41:46,982 --> 00:41:48,375 And that-- and I-- and I ask myself 788 00:41:48,549 --> 00:41:50,159 a lot, like, what the fuck? 789 00:41:50,856 --> 00:41:52,118 Give me that. 790 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,644 We were off and on for 26 years 791 00:41:56,818 --> 00:41:59,952 and now we're finally living together and trying 792 00:42:00,126 --> 00:42:01,780 to see if this is, like, gonna work. 793 00:42:04,739 --> 00:42:06,262 I can't-- I don't know. 794 00:42:06,436 --> 00:42:07,612 He's like-- he's-- he's the most important 795 00:42:07,786 --> 00:42:09,483 thing to me in my life. 796 00:42:10,266 --> 00:42:12,660 I-- I can't-- As bad as it gets, 797 00:42:12,834 --> 00:42:15,315 I can't imagine life without him. 798 00:42:15,489 --> 00:42:17,752 And that is a weird way to feel. 799 00:42:34,769 --> 00:42:37,206 ??There must be some kind of way out of here ??/i> 800 00:42:38,947 --> 00:42:40,688 ??Said a joker to a thief ??/i> 801 00:42:42,995 --> 00:42:45,563 ??There is too much confusion here ??/i> 802 00:42:47,173 --> 00:42:50,132 ??And I can't get no relief ??/i> 803 00:42:50,306 --> 00:42:53,919 ??Business men, they drink my wine ??/i> 804 00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:58,184 ??Plowmen dig my earth ??/i> 805 00:42:59,185 --> 00:43:00,882 Touring, 806 00:43:01,056 --> 00:43:05,191 that's what he does and that's how his whole life 807 00:43:05,931 --> 00:43:09,848 has been lived through singing all over the world. 808 00:43:10,022 --> 00:43:12,372 And all of a sudden now he can't do that. 809 00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:17,812 How do you go from that extreme to just 810 00:43:17,986 --> 00:43:18,987 sitting on the couch 811 00:43:19,161 --> 00:43:21,642 watching freaking Netflix? 812 00:43:22,774 --> 00:43:25,603 You know, for me that's fine 'cause I love that. 813 00:43:26,081 --> 00:43:27,953 But his desires 814 00:43:28,127 --> 00:43:30,651 are to go out and kinda 815 00:43:30,825 --> 00:43:34,002 recreate the excitement of the road. 816 00:43:36,048 --> 00:43:38,703 ??Watchtower ??/i> 817 00:43:46,188 --> 00:43:47,450 Any requests? 818 00:43:51,106 --> 00:43:52,499 We're very pleased to have you. 819 00:43:52,673 --> 00:43:54,066 Thank you. 820 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:55,328 How about another tune, guys? 821 00:43:55,502 --> 00:43:56,764 - Love to. - The Babys. 822 00:43:56,938 --> 00:43:59,506 - Thank you. 823 00:44:04,554 --> 00:44:06,121 And I think everybody in the business 824 00:44:06,295 --> 00:44:08,123 that was around The Babys, including The Babys, 825 00:44:08,297 --> 00:44:10,386 were just like, "This is bullshit." 826 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:11,997 You know? 827 00:44:12,171 --> 00:44:15,217 There was somebody on the inside trying 828 00:44:15,391 --> 00:44:17,350 to stop getting to the outside. 829 00:44:19,526 --> 00:44:20,788 I should have just left. 830 00:44:22,094 --> 00:44:26,098 But the band came to me and said, "Don't leave." 831 00:44:27,882 --> 00:44:30,450 My girlfriend and I were missing England. 832 00:44:31,973 --> 00:44:34,019 It was like, "Should we just go home?" 833 00:44:38,545 --> 00:44:40,199 And I stayed. 834 00:44:40,373 --> 00:44:43,158 And to this day I wonder if that was the right decision, 835 00:44:43,332 --> 00:44:44,638 you know? 836 00:44:45,813 --> 00:44:49,469 I said, "If you go forward, I'm not playing bass anymore." 837 00:44:50,426 --> 00:44:51,776 And that's when you brought in Jonathan Cain 838 00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:53,429 - and Rick Phillip. - Yep. 839 00:44:53,603 --> 00:44:55,214 Jonathan Cain and Ricky Phillips came in 840 00:44:55,388 --> 00:44:58,739 and they brought a-- a brand new energy to The Babys. 841 00:45:01,437 --> 00:45:03,222 And we really needed it. 842 00:45:04,266 --> 00:45:07,226 'Cause up to that point, it was kinda lonesome. 843 00:45:09,489 --> 00:45:11,230 ??Until I met you ??/i> 844 00:45:11,404 --> 00:45:13,493 ??Told myself I'd get by without love ??/i> 845 00:45:13,667 --> 00:45:15,582 Please welcome The Babys. 846 00:45:16,148 --> 00:45:19,673 And I found I could be kinda fearless. 847 00:45:21,196 --> 00:45:26,332 And we suddenly became a really serious live band. 848 00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:30,684 Jonathan Cain, Ricky Phillip joined 849 00:45:30,858 --> 00:45:32,904 the band and we hit the road and man, 850 00:45:33,078 --> 00:45:35,471 we were playing, like, five nights a week on stage 851 00:45:35,645 --> 00:45:37,735 with one of these major bands that was touring. 852 00:45:37,909 --> 00:45:42,174 And we'd be going out in front of people and just killing. 853 00:45:42,348 --> 00:45:45,612 But he record company were having distribution problems. 854 00:45:45,786 --> 00:45:48,006 They couldn't put the records in the stores. 855 00:45:48,180 --> 00:45:49,790 You know, we'd go the record stores 856 00:45:49,964 --> 00:45:51,923 and there'd be no Babys' records. 857 00:45:52,097 --> 00:45:55,013 And at first, we thought, "Wow, we must be selling out." 858 00:45:55,187 --> 00:45:57,580 The frustration was so enormous towards the end, 859 00:45:57,755 --> 00:45:59,234 we've done so well. 860 00:45:59,408 --> 00:46:01,410 A foot away from making it huge. 861 00:46:01,584 --> 00:46:06,111 And what are we? A tax write-off? You bastards. 862 00:46:06,285 --> 00:46:09,636 And Jonathan Cain got offered a job with Journey. 863 00:46:09,810 --> 00:46:12,378 And that was the last straw, really. 864 00:46:12,552 --> 00:46:14,336 I just went like, "Fuck it. I'm leaving." 865 00:46:18,210 --> 00:46:19,602 It was the end, you know. 866 00:46:22,475 --> 00:46:23,955 I went back to England, 867 00:46:24,999 --> 00:46:29,264 got married and I had a home suddenly. 868 00:46:30,918 --> 00:46:33,921 It was like an English country life 869 00:46:34,095 --> 00:46:35,444 with absolutely no rock and roll. 870 00:46:35,618 --> 00:46:37,011 It was just the pub, 871 00:46:37,185 --> 00:46:38,491 if you were to go down the pub, 872 00:46:38,665 --> 00:46:40,101 or long walks through these fields. 873 00:46:43,278 --> 00:46:45,715 And even though I'd left The Babys, 874 00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:48,457 I was still in debt to the record company. 875 00:46:49,676 --> 00:46:50,895 Huge amount of money. 876 00:46:52,722 --> 00:46:57,815 So, I signed a solo deal in the middle of all that 877 00:46:57,989 --> 00:46:59,077 with Chrysalis. 878 00:47:00,078 --> 00:47:01,993 I went back and made a solo record. 879 00:47:03,951 --> 00:47:07,476 Neil Giraldo produced it and we had a hit song 880 00:47:07,650 --> 00:47:08,826 on it called, "Change." 881 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,915 ??People talking ??/i> 882 00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:13,656 ??And they're saying that you're leaving ??/i> 883 00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:15,963 MTV had just started. 884 00:47:16,703 --> 00:47:18,531 They didn't have a lot of videos to play. 885 00:47:18,705 --> 00:47:20,272 I hope you're watching us in stereo. 886 00:47:20,446 --> 00:47:21,926 But if you had a video, 887 00:47:22,665 --> 00:47:24,754 you were suddenly in every home in America. 888 00:47:25,799 --> 00:47:29,194 So, I was getting played, like, eight times a day. 889 00:47:29,368 --> 00:47:31,849 ??We think we have the answers ??/i> 890 00:47:32,023 --> 00:47:34,982 It was like, turn the thing on and there it was. 891 00:47:35,156 --> 00:47:38,203 ??Gonna change [change] ??/i> 892 00:47:38,377 --> 00:47:41,162 ??It doesn't matter who you are ??/i> 893 00:47:41,336 --> 00:47:45,036 ??It's all the same ??/i> 894 00:47:45,210 --> 00:47:47,995 But again, the record company didn't really 895 00:47:48,996 --> 00:47:50,302 follow through on the release. 896 00:47:50,476 --> 00:47:53,305 And after about a year of being 897 00:47:53,479 --> 00:47:55,002 on the road and living in New York, 898 00:47:55,176 --> 00:47:57,831 year and a half, I threw the towel in, really. 899 00:47:58,005 --> 00:47:59,877 I just threw the towel in and went back to England. 900 00:48:00,051 --> 00:48:03,402 It was just more than I could put up with really, you know. 901 00:48:07,710 --> 00:48:12,063 I'd met my wife just before I went to art school. 902 00:48:13,629 --> 00:48:17,285 We knew each other for I think maybe 12 years 903 00:48:17,459 --> 00:48:19,070 and we were married for two. 904 00:48:19,853 --> 00:48:23,291 It was a-- a serious long-term relationship, you know. 905 00:48:24,249 --> 00:48:30,429 And, uh, I think me being away so much, the touring, 906 00:48:31,038 --> 00:48:33,867 that relentless drive to just keep getting up and keeping 907 00:48:34,041 --> 00:48:37,044 going, it meant-- it was more than me, you know? 908 00:48:37,218 --> 00:48:42,571 I felt-- I just believed in making music or making records. 909 00:48:43,181 --> 00:48:45,444 It's all I wanted to do. It's all I thought about. 910 00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:49,013 And, uh, I probably let her down, you know. 911 00:48:49,187 --> 00:48:52,668 I feel-- you know, I do feel if I hadn't 912 00:48:52,842 --> 00:48:55,323 have gone after it, we might still be married. 913 00:48:55,497 --> 00:48:56,759 I-- I just don't know. 914 00:48:56,934 --> 00:48:58,761 But we did grow apart and, um, 915 00:49:00,938 --> 00:49:03,810 it's just the way it was really, you know. 916 00:49:12,688 --> 00:49:16,127 ??Every time I think of you ??/i> 917 00:49:16,301 --> 00:49:19,608 ??I always catch my breath ??/i> 918 00:49:19,782 --> 00:49:21,610 ??And I'm still standing here ??/i> 919 00:49:21,784 --> 00:49:24,091 "Missing You" was kinda made up on the spot 920 00:49:24,874 --> 00:49:27,051 over somebody else's chord changes, you know. 921 00:49:27,225 --> 00:49:28,835 I hadn't got a clue what I was gonna do. 922 00:49:29,009 --> 00:49:32,056 I just heard the backing track and asked if I could sing 923 00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:35,450 over it, where-- me and this guy would write this other song. 924 00:49:37,061 --> 00:49:39,063 I even use The Babys' "Every Time I Think of You," 925 00:49:39,237 --> 00:49:41,500 which was one of our big singles, to get me going. 926 00:49:42,501 --> 00:49:44,720 And then it was, "I always catch my breath 927 00:49:44,894 --> 00:49:46,374 and I'm still standing here and you're miles away 928 00:49:46,548 --> 00:49:48,072 and I'm wondering why you left. 929 00:49:48,246 --> 00:49:49,377 And there's a storm that's racing through 930 00:49:49,551 --> 00:49:50,726 my frozen heart tonight. 931 00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:52,032 I ain't missing you at all." 932 00:49:52,206 --> 00:49:53,468 In one piece. 933 00:49:55,296 --> 00:49:57,211 You know, it's-- it's the muse, you know. 934 00:49:57,385 --> 00:49:59,039 It's what it-- it's like all these things 935 00:49:59,213 --> 00:50:01,041 that I wanted to get home. 936 00:50:01,215 --> 00:50:04,218 I'd been making this record for EMI for, like, three months. 937 00:50:04,871 --> 00:50:06,177 So, I hadn't gone home. 938 00:50:06,873 --> 00:50:08,875 And I knew we hadn't got that major single, too, 939 00:50:09,049 --> 00:50:10,442 when we were mixing the record. 940 00:50:10,616 --> 00:50:12,400 So, that was just waiting to happen. 941 00:50:12,574 --> 00:50:13,836 What can I get for you? 942 00:50:14,837 --> 00:50:16,752 Um, fill it up. 943 00:50:17,797 --> 00:50:20,017 It's like queued up in the things you have to have, 944 00:50:20,191 --> 00:50:23,498 have to get to-- to-- to make something complete. 945 00:50:28,112 --> 00:50:30,157 And the thing about, "I can lie to myself" 946 00:50:32,072 --> 00:50:34,988 at the end, you know, 'cause it's about denial. 947 00:50:36,424 --> 00:50:38,296 I must have heard it in the back 948 00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:41,777 of my head that that was gonna make the whole song what it was. 949 00:50:41,951 --> 00:50:43,866 You know, denial. 950 00:50:45,651 --> 00:50:47,348 "I ain't missing you at all. 951 00:50:47,522 --> 00:50:49,046 I can lie to myself." 952 00:50:51,309 --> 00:50:52,919 Just chance, you know. 953 00:50:53,441 --> 00:50:54,703 Coming up, we have got 954 00:50:54,877 --> 00:50:57,141 the first single out by John Waite. 955 00:50:57,315 --> 00:50:59,230 ??Every time I think of you ??/i> 956 00:50:59,404 --> 00:51:00,883 Here is an Englishman 957 00:51:01,058 --> 00:51:02,668 now with a record that took into the top 958 00:51:02,842 --> 00:51:04,800 of the American charts, a new entry for John Waite. 959 00:51:06,672 --> 00:51:08,630 A lot of things happened that should 960 00:51:08,804 --> 00:51:12,852 have happened maybe five years before, but I was able 961 00:51:13,026 --> 00:51:16,769 to go back home and not feel like a loser, you know. 962 00:51:18,510 --> 00:51:20,555 My parents were really proud. 963 00:51:22,514 --> 00:51:24,298 I could go in the pub and it was like 964 00:51:24,472 --> 00:51:27,214 people sending pints of Guinness over and my-- 965 00:51:27,867 --> 00:51:29,303 you know, it was just really sweet. 966 00:51:31,697 --> 00:51:33,220 We knew it was pretty magical 967 00:51:33,394 --> 00:51:35,875 and didn't imagine it would be number one 968 00:51:36,049 --> 00:51:38,704 in a gazillion countries and all that. 969 00:51:38,878 --> 00:51:41,750 But it's one of those songs that stood the test of time. 970 00:51:42,838 --> 00:51:46,407 And for the generation that grew up around it, 971 00:51:46,581 --> 00:51:48,888 they remember where they were when they first heard it. 972 00:51:49,671 --> 00:51:52,065 I think great singer, great song. 973 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,501 ??I ain't missing you at all ??/i> 974 00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:58,506 And missing you still appear in movies 975 00:51:59,203 --> 00:52:02,467 and TV shows to this day. 976 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,599 You get to meet John Waite? 977 00:52:05,774 --> 00:52:07,559 It was that big, you know. 978 00:52:08,603 --> 00:52:10,301 It was a new feeling for me. 979 00:52:12,477 --> 00:52:14,870 And the video was number one for, like, 980 00:52:15,044 --> 00:52:16,263 20 weeks or something. 981 00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:18,091 It was absurd. 982 00:52:19,266 --> 00:52:23,444 Suddenly I was absolutely recognizable 983 00:52:24,184 --> 00:52:25,620 in every country I went to. 984 00:52:25,794 --> 00:52:28,188 You're John Waite. 985 00:52:28,362 --> 00:52:31,452 So I am. And you're Taryn Blake. 986 00:52:31,626 --> 00:52:36,240 I even got cast in a TV series called Paper Dolls 987 00:52:36,414 --> 00:52:38,807 because "Missing You" was gigantic. 988 00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:41,375 I couldn't go out. 989 00:52:42,898 --> 00:52:45,379 I was living in hotels in America. 990 00:52:47,076 --> 00:52:48,948 At one point, I had to get a bodyguard 991 00:52:49,122 --> 00:52:50,515 that traveled with me. 992 00:52:56,303 --> 00:52:59,611 There's no school for teaching people 993 00:52:59,785 --> 00:53:01,003 how to deal with success. 994 00:53:02,179 --> 00:53:03,963 Everyone deals with it differently. 995 00:53:05,530 --> 00:53:07,053 Some people just take it in stride 996 00:53:07,227 --> 00:53:09,838 and some people need to retreat. 997 00:53:16,671 --> 00:53:18,499 When I was starting out, 998 00:53:18,673 --> 00:53:21,502 I honestly thought if, 999 00:53:21,676 --> 00:53:25,027 by any kind of miracle and trick I got to number one 1000 00:53:25,202 --> 00:53:26,899 or became successful, 1001 00:53:27,073 --> 00:53:30,903 I could completely pull back and choose my moments 1002 00:53:31,077 --> 00:53:32,992 and come out and make the albums I wanted to make 1003 00:53:33,166 --> 00:53:35,864 and then go back. That was honestly my ambition. 1004 00:53:36,038 --> 00:53:41,870 I had no understanding of-- of being competitive and sort 1005 00:53:42,044 --> 00:53:44,482 of gotta have a hit and every year you're top of the pops. 1006 00:53:44,656 --> 00:53:46,048 And-- that wasn't what I wanted to do. 1007 00:53:46,223 --> 00:53:48,181 I wanted to be a musician, a writer, 1008 00:53:48,703 --> 00:53:52,185 and really just call my own shots. 1009 00:53:53,012 --> 00:53:56,494 So, when I got to number one with "Missing You," 1010 00:53:56,972 --> 00:53:58,931 that was like, you know, job done. 1011 00:54:00,367 --> 00:54:01,673 That's what I wanted. 1012 00:54:02,717 --> 00:54:07,331 And then to be able to be an artist behind that, 1013 00:54:07,505 --> 00:54:10,421 but to really be like Prince and all those people, 1014 00:54:10,899 --> 00:54:13,511 brilliant talent, but I-- that wasn't me at all. 1015 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,733 I was-- I wanted to be in the shadow. 1016 00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:29,918 ??For so long, you've gone on ??/i> 1017 00:54:31,703 --> 00:54:35,794 ??Trying to see an end to it all ??/i> 1018 00:54:35,968 --> 00:54:42,801 ??But I know that your grip is getting loose ??/i> 1019 00:54:51,853 --> 00:54:53,290 Well, we've been painting-- 1020 00:54:53,464 --> 00:54:55,857 I've been painting for, like, all my life, 1021 00:54:57,032 --> 00:54:58,991 but I've decided to take more seriously and, 1022 00:54:59,165 --> 00:55:03,604 um, bang out some-- some different stuff. 1023 00:55:03,778 --> 00:55:09,523 Uh, this is from art school. This is a Worzel Gummidge. 1024 00:55:09,697 --> 00:55:13,179 This is like a scarecrow that came to life. It's a kid's book. 1025 00:55:15,137 --> 00:55:17,488 It's pretty good. I gotta say. It's-- it's not bad. 1026 00:55:19,228 --> 00:55:22,188 And then we move on to-- it's sort of like-- 1027 00:55:22,362 --> 00:55:25,191 it's hardly serious painting, but it's like a cartoon 1028 00:55:25,365 --> 00:55:30,762 of, uh, religion, as you can see. 1029 00:55:32,198 --> 00:55:34,461 And the ventriloquist dummy being 1030 00:55:35,244 --> 00:55:38,509 the deity and, uh, the metal halo. 1031 00:55:39,379 --> 00:55:41,338 And the ventriloquist dummy 1032 00:55:41,512 --> 00:55:46,386 is in fact a dummy himself, you know? 1033 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,345 But it is a cartoon. 1034 00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:52,131 It's not-- it's not meant to be a classic art or anything, 1035 00:55:52,305 --> 00:55:53,567 it's a cartoon. 1036 00:56:03,882 --> 00:56:05,579 Getting into art school alone 1037 00:56:05,753 --> 00:56:08,669 was a profoundly kind thing for my parents. 1038 00:56:12,107 --> 00:56:13,935 They were both working around the clock 1039 00:56:14,458 --> 00:56:15,894 to pay off the mortgage. 1040 00:56:17,809 --> 00:56:19,680 To allow me to go to art school 1041 00:56:20,768 --> 00:56:23,510 was just kindness itself, really. 1042 00:56:23,684 --> 00:56:26,557 Whenever I look back, I'm just grateful for that. 1043 00:56:27,993 --> 00:56:33,259 I was good, you know, but I wasn't great. 1044 00:56:35,435 --> 00:56:39,961 And no matter how hard I tried, I was never gonna be great. 1045 00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:43,574 You know, you go into a life class 1046 00:56:44,662 --> 00:56:46,315 and you're supposed to capture 1047 00:56:46,490 --> 00:56:50,668 that figurative art, which is what I was drawn to. 1048 00:56:50,842 --> 00:56:52,800 And I couldn't-- I couldn't make that work. 1049 00:56:52,974 --> 00:56:54,889 You know, I could make something work that I really 1050 00:56:55,063 --> 00:56:57,501 loved, but I couldn't go outside of what I knew. 1051 00:56:58,415 --> 00:57:00,329 And I thought if I took up music, 1052 00:57:02,201 --> 00:57:04,508 it would be genuine, it would be authentic. 1053 00:57:06,466 --> 00:57:08,207 I didn't see myself as a singer, 1054 00:57:09,469 --> 00:57:13,168 but the chord changes from the test card, 1055 00:57:13,342 --> 00:57:15,170 you know, I recognize that music. 1056 00:57:15,344 --> 00:57:18,173 There was something there that I-- that was, like, intangible. 1057 00:57:19,348 --> 00:57:24,179 And I felt if I could just give it all to music, 1058 00:57:24,353 --> 00:57:26,530 that I would do something that might win. 1059 00:57:26,704 --> 00:57:30,534 That might be authentic. That would be absolutely true. 1060 00:57:33,928 --> 00:57:38,455 At this point, I heard Neil Young and all 1061 00:57:38,629 --> 00:57:42,981 the kids at art school, they were doing LSD, you know. 1062 00:57:43,764 --> 00:57:45,766 It's a brutal-- it's a brutal drug. 1063 00:57:45,940 --> 00:57:47,202 You know, it's really hard. 1064 00:57:47,376 --> 00:57:48,639 It's reality. 1065 00:57:48,813 --> 00:57:50,467 And then there's a lot of movement 1066 00:57:50,641 --> 00:57:51,816 in your soul with that stuff. 1067 00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:53,992 It's, like, really desolate. 1068 00:57:54,166 --> 00:57:56,951 I mean, it's almost heroic stepping into that world, 1069 00:57:57,125 --> 00:57:58,518 you know. 1070 00:57:59,084 --> 00:58:02,217 It's really terrifying and it's also really glorious. 1071 00:58:03,131 --> 00:58:06,178 But you come back and it's like you've been away at war. 1072 00:58:07,919 --> 00:58:10,617 You've been on the edge of the stars, you know. 1073 00:58:11,096 --> 00:58:13,402 If you're paying attention, it's gonna change your world. 1074 00:58:13,577 --> 00:58:17,363 But in Neil Young, I saw that. 1075 00:58:18,146 --> 00:58:20,888 I saw him representing a sort of consciousness. 1076 00:58:21,976 --> 00:58:24,022 And that in itself-- 'cause you wouldn't say 1077 00:58:24,196 --> 00:58:27,852 that Neil is, like, you know, case book, great singer. 1078 00:58:28,026 --> 00:58:29,854 He's got a beautiful voice, but it's faulted. 1079 00:58:30,028 --> 00:58:32,596 And that's back to what I'm saying about being a singer. 1080 00:58:32,770 --> 00:58:35,729 I thought I could do it if-- even if I was faulted, it would 1081 00:58:35,903 --> 00:58:38,776 still be authentic and that would make it authentic. 1082 00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:40,908 Whatever was wrong with my performance 1083 00:58:41,082 --> 00:58:43,476 would be honest and I could deal with that. 1084 00:58:43,650 --> 00:58:45,522 I would take my shot in life on that. 1085 00:58:50,439 --> 00:58:51,702 Buddy? 1086 00:58:57,751 --> 00:58:59,013 One of these days, 1087 00:58:59,884 --> 00:59:01,973 you'll tell your grandchildren about tonight. 1088 00:59:03,757 --> 00:59:07,021 And then the singer went outside the car park and shot himself. 1089 00:59:10,808 --> 00:59:12,853 But the audience started throwing money, 1090 00:59:13,332 --> 00:59:15,073 so he changed his mind. 1091 00:59:18,511 --> 00:59:21,296 This producer was producing The Babys 1092 00:59:22,515 --> 00:59:27,564 and he-- he made this suggestion for a vocal for one line. 1093 00:59:30,001 --> 00:59:33,439 And, uh, I thought, you know, "Really?" 1094 00:59:33,613 --> 00:59:35,441 And he said, "Yeah, it's great." 1095 00:59:35,615 --> 00:59:37,922 And there hasn't been a time when I've heard that record go 1096 00:59:38,096 --> 00:59:40,141 by and I hear that line and I think it's wrong. 1097 00:59:40,925 --> 00:59:42,579 But God forbid it's only one line. 1098 00:59:42,753 --> 00:59:45,625 You know, as people have a whole album, you know, 1099 00:59:45,799 --> 00:59:48,846 scrapped cause of, you know, simply not getting it. 1100 00:59:49,020 --> 00:59:51,936 But, uh, if it's wrong, it's wrong. 1101 00:59:52,414 --> 00:59:54,895 You know, if something's half right, it's wrong. 1102 00:59:57,289 --> 00:59:59,334 Rogers, I like the way you work. 1103 00:59:59,508 --> 01:00:01,032 I like your nerve. 1104 01:00:01,206 --> 01:00:02,642 I can use a fire-snaking man like you. 1105 01:00:02,816 --> 01:00:04,644 In fact, I need you for an assignment. 1106 01:00:04,818 --> 01:00:06,515 Well, thanks a lot, governor. But I'm working with the rodeo. 1107 01:00:06,690 --> 01:00:08,300 That's why I sent for you. 1108 01:00:08,474 --> 01:00:09,693 The fellows I'm after wouldn't 1109 01:00:09,867 --> 01:00:11,520 take you for anything but a cowboy. 1110 01:00:11,695 --> 01:00:13,610 So far they've been able to spot all my operatives. 1111 01:00:13,784 --> 01:00:15,133 You mean you want me to follow someone? 1112 01:00:15,307 --> 01:00:16,613 Yes. 1113 01:00:21,661 --> 01:00:24,533 One day the phone rang and it was like, 1114 01:00:25,143 --> 01:00:26,840 "Do you wanna go on tour with Ringo?" 1115 01:00:28,929 --> 01:00:31,410 I thought about it for about 2.5 seconds. 1116 01:00:31,584 --> 01:00:33,020 You know, I thought, "Well, I'm gonna meet Ringo. 1117 01:00:33,194 --> 01:00:34,674 So, okay, I'll do it," you know? 1118 01:00:34,848 --> 01:00:36,197 Oddly enough, I'd been offered 1119 01:00:36,371 --> 01:00:39,636 a-- a theatrical role on Broadway. 1120 01:00:40,767 --> 01:00:44,292 I'd never done that before, but when I weighed 1121 01:00:44,466 --> 01:00:50,211 the two things I thought I owed it to me to go and play 1122 01:00:50,385 --> 01:00:52,083 with a Beatle, you know. 1123 01:00:52,257 --> 01:00:54,520 It came to me in a dream on a flaming pie. 1124 01:00:54,694 --> 01:00:57,349 - Waite with an E. - John Waite. 1125 01:00:57,523 --> 01:00:59,481 I thought it was saying, "Wait for John," 1126 01:00:59,656 --> 01:01:02,136 but it was saying John Waite. 1127 01:01:02,310 --> 01:01:05,139 So, you know, it was that or Ringo and I-- I, 1128 01:01:05,313 --> 01:01:07,751 uh, I chose Ringo, you know. 1129 01:01:07,925 --> 01:01:09,491 Let's keep it loud tonight, Ringo, 1130 01:01:09,666 --> 01:01:11,102 'cause of what the sign says. 1131 01:01:11,276 --> 01:01:12,538 When we're playing together, there's moment's 1132 01:01:12,712 --> 01:01:14,409 where it gets sort of psychedelic. 1133 01:01:14,583 --> 01:01:16,150 You know, you look across the stage and there he is, 1134 01:01:16,324 --> 01:01:17,586 you know, the man behind the kit. 1135 01:01:20,241 --> 01:01:21,895 You have to sort of get used to that 1136 01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:24,202 kind of otherworldly aspect to being in the same 1137 01:01:24,376 --> 01:01:27,858 room with somebody that you really wanted to play 1138 01:01:28,032 --> 01:01:30,164 with and i- and idolized when you were a kid. 1139 01:01:33,385 --> 01:01:35,822 That isn't something you just stumble across, you know? 1140 01:01:38,999 --> 01:01:41,306 ??Sometimes I wanna give up ??/i> 1141 01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,003 ??Wanna give in ??/i> 1142 01:01:46,180 --> 01:01:49,531 ??After everything is said and done, baby ??/i> 1143 01:01:49,706 --> 01:01:52,665 ??You're my reason for living ??/i> 1144 01:01:54,101 --> 01:01:56,669 ??Yeah ??/i> 1145 01:01:56,843 --> 01:01:58,802 ??Now listen to me ??/i> 1146 01:01:58,976 --> 01:02:03,458 ??When I see you smile ??/i> 1147 01:02:04,895 --> 01:02:07,288 ??I can face the world ??/i> 1148 01:02:07,462 --> 01:02:12,729 ??Oh, yeah, I can do anything ??/i> 1149 01:02:15,644 --> 01:02:18,647 ??When I see you smile, baby ??/i> 1150 01:02:18,822 --> 01:02:23,870 ??Baby, when I see you smile at me ??/i> 1151 01:02:29,310 --> 01:02:32,183 ??Every day of my life ??/i> 1152 01:02:35,142 --> 01:02:36,883 ??Yeah, baby ??/i> 1153 01:02:37,057 --> 01:02:42,497 ??Smile at me ??/i> 1154 01:02:49,069 --> 01:02:51,289 It's not for the faint of heart. 1155 01:02:51,463 --> 01:02:53,857 You have to really be on your toes and deliver 1156 01:02:54,031 --> 01:02:55,815 something that's gonna make it all work. 1157 01:02:56,816 --> 01:03:00,951 And on top of that, you have to play with Ringo 1158 01:03:01,125 --> 01:03:04,171 and, uh, you know, he played with Paul McCarthy. 1159 01:03:05,738 --> 01:03:09,786 We needed a really incredible big ballad singer 1160 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,788 who played bass-- 1161 01:03:11,962 --> 01:03:14,051 - My best mate. - and who could be better? 1162 01:03:14,225 --> 01:03:15,966 Lots of people. 1163 01:03:18,011 --> 01:03:19,883 Well, I've gone back to playing bass to do this. 1164 01:03:20,057 --> 01:03:22,146 I only play bass on me own records now. 1165 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,191 There was a point I was actually sleeping 1166 01:03:24,365 --> 01:03:26,106 with a bass guitar in my bed. 1167 01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,282 You know, I'd wake up at 3:00 in the morning and go like, 1168 01:03:28,456 --> 01:03:30,763 you know, "Is that a C sharp or a C?" 1169 01:03:30,937 --> 01:03:33,897 I'd come out of a deep sleep, reach for the bass and look-- 1170 01:03:34,071 --> 01:03:36,638 you know, play the note like, "Ah, it's a C." 1171 01:03:36,813 --> 01:03:38,684 And I'd go back to sleep again. 1172 01:03:40,817 --> 01:03:42,514 The opening night, 1173 01:03:42,688 --> 01:03:45,256 instead of us getting a few gigs under our belts, 1174 01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:48,781 uh, we're filming it, you know. 1175 01:03:48,955 --> 01:03:51,653 Ringo Starr His All-Starr band. 1176 01:03:51,828 --> 01:03:53,220 Did I say I wasn't nervous before? 1177 01:03:53,394 --> 01:03:54,482 You did. 1178 01:03:54,656 --> 01:03:55,657 I did actually say that, yeah. 1179 01:03:55,832 --> 01:03:56,702 Yeah. A touch? 1180 01:03:56,876 --> 01:03:58,225 Just a tad, you know. 1181 01:03:58,399 --> 01:03:59,618 Yeah, no, no. We're fine. 1182 01:03:59,792 --> 01:04:01,620 It was that scary 1183 01:04:01,794 --> 01:04:04,362 filming it on the opening night, you know. 1184 01:04:04,536 --> 01:04:06,277 I mean, nobody does that. 1185 01:04:07,844 --> 01:04:10,629 Case in point, we were doing "How Long," 1186 01:04:10,803 --> 01:04:13,284 Paul Carrick's beautiful song. 1187 01:04:13,458 --> 01:04:16,156 And I started it off in the wrong key. 1188 01:04:21,814 --> 01:04:23,294 Did Ringo give you shit for that? 1189 01:04:23,468 --> 01:04:26,471 Yeah. Yeah. He really did. 1190 01:04:26,645 --> 01:04:29,213 - Tough gig. - Yeah, it really was. 1191 01:04:29,387 --> 01:04:30,605 Would you do it again? 1192 01:04:30,779 --> 01:04:33,695 No, I really wouldn't. 1193 01:04:33,870 --> 01:04:36,524 You know, I don't work for anybody, really. 1194 01:04:36,698 --> 01:04:39,049 I did it the one time because it was him. 1195 01:04:39,223 --> 01:04:43,183 And, uh, let me just say, as far as drummers go, 1196 01:04:43,357 --> 01:04:47,579 I mean, there is nobody that comes within screaming distance. 1197 01:04:48,885 --> 01:04:52,627 It's almost like a singer, being a percussionist. 1198 01:04:54,586 --> 01:04:55,935 It's that good. 1199 01:04:58,198 --> 01:05:00,809 It's hard to imagine any human being 1200 01:05:00,984 --> 01:05:02,420 keeping up with the other three. 1201 01:05:04,857 --> 01:05:07,077 You ever meet John or Paul or George? 1202 01:05:07,251 --> 01:05:09,035 No. No, I didn't. 1203 01:05:09,818 --> 01:05:12,517 I did walk past Paul in New York and he looked at me. 1204 01:05:12,691 --> 01:05:14,911 I was playing Radio City that night and he raised 1205 01:05:15,085 --> 01:05:17,565 his eyebrow like, you know, "How's it going?" 1206 01:05:17,739 --> 01:05:19,263 And I just kept walking. 1207 01:05:21,352 --> 01:05:23,615 I couldn't deal with two Beatles in one day, you know? 1208 01:05:23,789 --> 01:05:26,052 But he-- he looked like he was gonna stop and talk to me. 1209 01:05:26,226 --> 01:05:28,272 But I just, you know, "Hey, how are you doing?" 1210 01:05:28,446 --> 01:05:33,103 But, um, you know, I hope I, uh-- I hope I delivered. 1211 01:05:48,466 --> 01:05:50,511 ??Sometimes I wonder ??/i> 1212 01:05:50,685 --> 01:05:53,166 ??How I'd ever make it through ??/i> 1213 01:05:53,340 --> 01:05:56,648 ??Through this world without having you ??/i> 1214 01:05:56,822 --> 01:05:59,999 ??I just wouldn't have a clue ??/i> 1215 01:06:02,741 --> 01:06:04,525 ??'Cause sometimes... ??/i> 1216 01:06:04,699 --> 01:06:07,572 I've recorded seven albums as a member of a band 1217 01:06:09,356 --> 01:06:11,489 and I think I must have made about 13, 1218 01:06:11,663 --> 01:06:13,795 maybe even 14 solo records. 1219 01:06:13,970 --> 01:06:15,797 I've lost count. 1220 01:06:19,236 --> 01:06:21,368 I now own the music that I record 1221 01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:26,112 and I bought back many of the original masters 1222 01:06:26,286 --> 01:06:27,896 from the record companies. 1223 01:06:28,071 --> 01:06:31,248 ??She's nobody's girl ??/i> 1224 01:06:31,422 --> 01:06:34,294 And because of that, I've been touring 1225 01:06:34,468 --> 01:06:37,515 around the world and making and releasing records 1226 01:06:37,689 --> 01:06:42,563 outside of the music business for almost 30 years. 1227 01:06:45,740 --> 01:06:48,830 This is all I know. 1228 01:06:55,446 --> 01:06:57,230 You know, nobody knew what they were doing, 1229 01:06:57,404 --> 01:06:59,276 that were musicians back then. 1230 01:06:59,754 --> 01:07:04,672 The lawyers weren't, um... It's just very difficult. 1231 01:07:04,846 --> 01:07:08,285 It seems to be there's-- there's more understanding of the artist 1232 01:07:08,459 --> 01:07:10,809 now and, uh... 1233 01:07:13,551 --> 01:07:14,856 What can you say? 1234 01:07:17,903 --> 01:07:20,036 They're all fucking bastards, really. 1235 01:07:25,693 --> 01:07:28,827 ??I wait for sundown on the fire escape ??/i> 1236 01:07:30,872 --> 01:07:34,485 ??And watch the passing cars downstairs ??/i> 1237 01:07:36,487 --> 01:07:41,492 ??I'm high above Korean groceries ??/i> 1238 01:07:41,666 --> 01:07:45,452 ??A sublet castle in the air ??/i> 1239 01:07:48,586 --> 01:07:52,068 ??It's down to cigarettes and rosaries ??/i> 1240 01:07:54,461 --> 01:07:57,856 ??But Christ, I wish someone would call me ??/i> 1241 01:07:59,988 --> 01:08:04,776 ??Johnny Thunders on the stereo ??/i> 1242 01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:07,344 ??I thought, "You can't put your arms ??/i> 1243 01:08:07,518 --> 01:08:11,652 ??Around a memory" ??/i> 1244 01:08:11,826 --> 01:08:16,048 ??Maybe I could find a better way ??/i> 1245 01:08:16,222 --> 01:08:22,141 ??But all I need now is to feel connected ??/i> 1246 01:08:22,315 --> 01:08:26,493 ??So, do you remember me ??/i> 1247 01:08:28,930 --> 01:08:32,630 ??I sang that song you like ??/i> 1248 01:08:34,458 --> 01:08:37,374 ??Way back in '83 ??/i> 1249 01:08:38,897 --> 01:08:45,382 ??Number one high as a kite ??/i> 1250 01:08:47,688 --> 01:08:53,259 ??As I make my way downtown, yeah ??/i> 1251 01:08:53,433 --> 01:08:57,698 ??I'm going way downtown tonight ??/i> 1252 01:08:57,872 --> 01:09:00,048 ??I'm going way downtown ??/i> 1253 01:09:04,227 --> 01:09:07,795 I was making an album of Greatest Hits in Nashville. 1254 01:09:08,535 --> 01:09:11,016 I did a lot of the songs and I'd put some of the songs 1255 01:09:11,190 --> 01:09:13,018 from the other albums from the masters. 1256 01:09:13,192 --> 01:09:15,803 But it got to "Missing You" which was gonna have to be on 1257 01:09:15,977 --> 01:09:20,156 the album to attract attention so I could go on the road again. 1258 01:09:20,330 --> 01:09:21,940 And I got to "Missing You" and couldn't think 1259 01:09:22,114 --> 01:09:23,463 of anything at all to do. 1260 01:09:23,637 --> 01:09:25,248 And I thought, why not do a duet? 1261 01:09:25,422 --> 01:09:26,553 ??Oh, carry me back ??/i> 1262 01:09:26,727 --> 01:09:27,989 ??Oh, carry me back ??/i> 1263 01:09:28,164 --> 01:09:29,252 ??To the lone prairie ??/i> 1264 01:09:29,426 --> 01:09:31,254 ??To the lone prairie ??/i> 1265 01:09:31,428 --> 01:09:33,430 But I thought, who would I really love to sing with? 1266 01:09:34,866 --> 01:09:38,217 And I had been spending a lot of time watching 1267 01:09:38,391 --> 01:09:42,090 the American Music Channel, which was all country music. 1268 01:09:43,918 --> 01:09:45,964 "New Favorite" had just come out. 1269 01:09:46,138 --> 01:09:49,272 And Alison was in heavy rotation. 1270 01:09:49,446 --> 01:09:51,926 I think it was the first time I actually heard her sing. 1271 01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:54,364 And it was really engaging. 1272 01:09:54,538 --> 01:09:56,844 ??Favorite ??/i> 1273 01:09:57,018 --> 01:09:58,759 She was the queen of it. 1274 01:09:58,933 --> 01:10:01,806 I would wait for her videos to come around, you know. 1275 01:10:03,373 --> 01:10:08,639 And I was buying some-- some LPs in a secondhand music store. 1276 01:10:08,813 --> 01:10:10,641 And I walked out on the street 1277 01:10:10,815 --> 01:10:13,992 and she drove past and she stopped. 1278 01:10:15,211 --> 01:10:19,127 She leaned out the window and said, "Hey, how are you doing?" 1279 01:10:19,302 --> 01:10:22,435 You know, hamming it up, and, um, I was just like, 1280 01:10:22,609 --> 01:10:24,045 "Whoa. It's Alison Krauss" 1281 01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:26,439 And we talked, uh, on the street. 1282 01:10:27,614 --> 01:10:28,702 It was really great, you know. 1283 01:10:28,876 --> 01:10:30,356 If you're gonna meet somebody, 1284 01:10:30,530 --> 01:10:31,923 it's great to meet them like that, you know? 1285 01:10:32,097 --> 01:10:33,098 'Cause I was like, "How do I do this?" 1286 01:10:33,272 --> 01:10:34,708 You know? 1287 01:10:34,882 --> 01:10:37,363 But she was really lovely, open, friendly, 1288 01:10:37,537 --> 01:10:39,191 serious about the song. 1289 01:10:39,974 --> 01:10:43,282 We cut the song and I went home and listened to it 1290 01:10:44,065 --> 01:10:45,806 and there was something wrong with it. 1291 01:10:45,980 --> 01:10:50,158 And I think it was me, 'cause it's a duet, you know. 1292 01:10:50,333 --> 01:10:53,118 You have to answer somebody's performance for it to work. 1293 01:10:53,901 --> 01:10:56,556 Whereas before, I think I'd done it like a performance. 1294 01:10:57,905 --> 01:10:59,385 So, I sang it differently. 1295 01:11:00,168 --> 01:11:03,650 I sang it completely differently for Alison. 1296 01:11:03,824 --> 01:11:06,958 And then she sang her part and it was like, 1297 01:11:07,132 --> 01:11:10,222 there it was, you know, it was fantastic. 1298 01:11:10,396 --> 01:11:13,094 ??But I ain't missing you at all ??/i> 1299 01:11:13,269 --> 01:11:17,882 And we wound up on the Jay Leno Show doing the duet 1300 01:11:19,405 --> 01:11:20,667 of "Missing You." 1301 01:11:20,841 --> 01:11:22,669 ??I ain't missing you ??/i> 1302 01:11:22,843 --> 01:11:25,933 I just remember trying not to talk too much. 1303 01:11:26,891 --> 01:11:29,676 I was, like, nervous, you know? 1304 01:11:29,850 --> 01:11:33,767 'Cause she's, uh, an incredibly intense artist. 1305 01:11:34,942 --> 01:11:37,771 She's really the-- the real thing, you know? 1306 01:11:37,945 --> 01:11:40,252 And you start to wonder if you could measure up. 1307 01:11:40,426 --> 01:11:42,559 It's Ringo territory, you know. 1308 01:11:42,733 --> 01:11:44,648 Who could be better? 1309 01:11:44,822 --> 01:11:46,084 Lots of people. 1310 01:11:53,483 --> 01:11:55,920 And when I was singing "Missing You" in the studio, 1311 01:11:56,703 --> 01:11:59,358 she hit the talkback and said, "This is really great." 1312 01:12:01,795 --> 01:12:06,844 And I smiled, you know, 'cause that was praise 1313 01:12:07,018 --> 01:12:08,715 from somebody that I-- 1314 01:12:25,210 --> 01:12:26,124 Take a minute? 1315 01:12:26,298 --> 01:12:27,604 Yeah. 1316 01:12:30,998 --> 01:12:32,696 It's all right. 1317 01:12:38,223 --> 01:12:39,877 It's the weirdest feeling to sing lyrics 1318 01:12:40,051 --> 01:12:42,923 that you wrote when you were a young man, you know. 1319 01:12:43,097 --> 01:12:46,144 When you were pretty much uncomplicated and happy. 1320 01:12:48,755 --> 01:12:51,105 Before divorce and all that stuff kicks in. 1321 01:12:51,976 --> 01:12:53,238 You think the world's great. 1322 01:12:54,979 --> 01:12:56,110 It is great. 1323 01:12:59,287 --> 01:13:01,115 There is irony in that. 1324 01:13:02,465 --> 01:13:08,384 Okay. Uh, wish me luck. Okay, two, three. 1325 01:13:20,874 --> 01:13:25,792 ??You, you said you'd come around ??/i> 1326 01:13:26,967 --> 01:13:29,796 I think I've-- I've had a lot of trouble because 1327 01:13:29,970 --> 01:13:31,668 I'm not interacting with people. 1328 01:13:31,842 --> 01:13:33,409 You know, you go and play a concert 1329 01:13:33,583 --> 01:13:35,106 and it's extremely intimate. 1330 01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,369 ??You're the one I want to see ??/i> 1331 01:13:37,543 --> 01:13:40,154 There's a real exchange with the audience. 1332 01:13:40,328 --> 01:13:44,420 And to not have that, to not have that window 1333 01:13:44,594 --> 01:13:48,162 to people is so weird because art, 1334 01:13:48,336 --> 01:13:50,904 you know, it's a two-way street. 1335 01:13:51,078 --> 01:13:53,080 You don't make art to lock in a vault, 1336 01:13:53,254 --> 01:13:56,127 and you certainly don't make music to keep it to yourself. 1337 01:13:56,301 --> 01:13:58,085 It's-- you're trying to put something out 1338 01:13:58,259 --> 01:14:00,566 and exchange something with people. 1339 01:14:00,740 --> 01:14:02,350 But, you know, with the pandemic, 1340 01:14:02,525 --> 01:14:04,091 you can't go out and play. 1341 01:14:04,265 --> 01:14:06,442 I haven't seen my band for a year. 1342 01:14:06,616 --> 01:14:08,182 It's weird. 1343 01:14:09,401 --> 01:14:10,924 And it's not just weird for me. 1344 01:14:11,098 --> 01:14:12,491 It's-- everybody's had their life change 1345 01:14:12,665 --> 01:14:14,885 completely because of it. 1346 01:14:16,234 --> 01:14:18,410 It'll be hard when we actually get back out there, 1347 01:14:18,584 --> 01:14:22,675 but, um, you know, it's okay. 1348 01:14:26,766 --> 01:14:30,857 ??Falling in love again ??/i> 1349 01:14:38,212 --> 01:14:39,823 Everybody learns the hard way. 1350 01:14:39,997 --> 01:14:42,695 Is that a good metaphor for your career? 1351 01:14:44,001 --> 01:14:46,133 Well, my career is, you know-- it's-- it's-- 1352 01:14:46,307 --> 01:14:48,396 look, I'm not trying to shoot the arrow 1353 01:14:48,571 --> 01:14:51,182 and then paint, uh, a bullseye around it. 1354 01:14:51,356 --> 01:14:53,314 I know that it's gone up and down. 1355 01:14:53,489 --> 01:14:55,534 And some of it was unavoidable. 1356 01:14:55,708 --> 01:14:57,493 I mean, the record companies going out of business, 1357 01:14:57,667 --> 01:14:59,364 on maybe three records 1358 01:14:59,538 --> 01:15:01,845 when it was a very important time to have success. 1359 01:15:02,019 --> 01:15:04,151 I'm not trying to paint over that. 1360 01:15:04,325 --> 01:15:06,589 You know, those albums failed. 1361 01:15:06,763 --> 01:15:09,330 You know, somehow they were really great records, 1362 01:15:09,505 --> 01:15:11,811 especially in my mind, Temple Bar, 1363 01:15:13,073 --> 01:15:14,553 and you have to roll with it. 1364 01:15:15,946 --> 01:15:17,600 But I thought about this before, 1365 01:15:17,774 --> 01:15:19,515 everybody's got an excuse for why 1366 01:15:19,689 --> 01:15:21,952 their record doesn't chart or any of that shit, right? 1367 01:15:22,126 --> 01:15:25,085 And, uh, in my case, it would be, yeah, 1368 01:15:25,259 --> 01:15:27,697 the record company went down, but I made the record 1369 01:15:27,871 --> 01:15:29,481 and it's out on the internet 1370 01:15:29,655 --> 01:15:31,701 and I bought Temple Bar back 1371 01:15:31,875 --> 01:15:34,355 and it sells, like, a huge amount. 1372 01:15:34,530 --> 01:15:36,444 And I've got When You Were Mine back 1373 01:15:36,619 --> 01:15:39,012 and that sells out in reprint copies. 1374 01:15:39,186 --> 01:15:42,407 Figure in a Landscape, you know, I own 'em. 1375 01:15:42,581 --> 01:15:44,540 But at the time, it was rough to watch it. 1376 01:15:44,714 --> 01:15:48,065 It was really-- and I could have really done with, 1377 01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:50,197 uh, somebody at the wheel that actually knew 1378 01:15:50,371 --> 01:15:52,025 what they were doing. 1379 01:15:52,199 --> 01:15:55,638 It's just ironic that it, uh, it met with, uh-- 1380 01:15:55,812 --> 01:15:57,770 but I kind of enjoyed it. 1381 01:15:57,944 --> 01:16:00,686 I-- I felt like the hero in some sort of Russian novel. 1382 01:16:00,860 --> 01:16:03,820 It was like, "I bet somebody fucks this up." 1383 01:16:03,994 --> 01:16:05,778 And you get the-- and then the phone rings, 1384 01:16:05,952 --> 01:16:08,085 you know, and then the phone rings. 1385 01:16:08,259 --> 01:16:10,566 And you kinda-- you develop a kind of, uh, 1386 01:16:10,740 --> 01:16:14,657 laconic kind of, you know-- you just like-- 1387 01:16:14,831 --> 01:16:16,659 a couple of words will sum it up, like, you know, 1388 01:16:16,833 --> 01:16:18,095 c'est la vie. 1389 01:16:18,269 --> 01:16:20,358 But, uh, I have no regrets, really. 1390 01:16:20,532 --> 01:16:22,708 I think it even powered me forward. 1391 01:16:22,882 --> 01:16:25,102 I became more of an artist because I was 1392 01:16:25,276 --> 01:16:28,105 up against something that was insurmountable. 1393 01:16:28,279 --> 01:16:29,889 I didn't just give up and say, "Fuck it. 1394 01:16:30,063 --> 01:16:31,978 I'm gonna go be a-- a painter." 1395 01:16:32,152 --> 01:16:34,241 I just went right back in the-- in the studio 1396 01:16:34,415 --> 01:16:35,634 and played with my band. 1397 01:16:35,808 --> 01:16:37,680 And I just-- that's what I do. 1398 01:16:37,854 --> 01:16:40,683 And it brought that home to me that no matter what you do, 1399 01:16:40,857 --> 01:16:42,815 at the end of the day, it's about the work. 1400 01:16:42,989 --> 01:16:44,643 It's not about being number one. 1401 01:16:44,817 --> 01:16:47,298 It's not about being, uh, surrounded by success 1402 01:16:47,472 --> 01:16:49,169 and dollar bills and a trophy wife 1403 01:16:49,343 --> 01:16:51,607 and a big fucking mansion somewhere 1404 01:16:51,781 --> 01:16:53,391 playing golf on Sunday 1405 01:16:53,565 --> 01:16:54,871 with some fucking guy you can't stand. 1406 01:16:55,045 --> 01:16:56,829 It's about making art. 1407 01:16:57,003 --> 01:16:59,266 Art is the-- the reason we breathe. 1408 01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:02,052 It's-- it's our harmony with God. 1409 01:17:02,226 --> 01:17:04,358 If there's God out there, this-- 1410 01:17:04,532 --> 01:17:07,535 we're singing the harmony with-- when we make art. 1411 01:17:07,710 --> 01:17:09,189 And so in answer to your question, 1412 01:17:09,363 --> 01:17:11,235 it never affected me, really. 1413 01:17:12,497 --> 01:17:14,586 If you believe that, I have a used car outside. 1414 01:17:21,288 --> 01:17:23,073 You ready, John? 1415 01:17:25,292 --> 01:17:26,685 Playback coming at you. 1416 01:17:30,384 --> 01:17:33,344 ??You're everything I want ??/i> 1417 01:17:33,518 --> 01:17:36,608 ??You're everything that I need ??/i> 1418 01:17:36,782 --> 01:17:41,178 ??And I'd do anything to get to you ??/i> 1419 01:17:45,835 --> 01:17:48,141 I'm flubbing some lines, but I guess if you do it-- 1420 01:17:48,315 --> 01:17:50,013 Yeah. That was pretty cool, man. 1421 01:17:50,187 --> 01:17:51,971 Yeah, it looks really good. 1422 01:17:52,145 --> 01:17:53,799 - Really? - Yeah. 1423 01:17:56,715 --> 01:17:58,978 I sort of went with the lockdown thing 1424 01:17:59,152 --> 01:18:00,893 as long as I could. 1425 01:18:01,067 --> 01:18:03,156 I had to go back to work somehow. 1426 01:18:03,330 --> 01:18:06,290 - You have your mask? - Yeah. 1427 01:18:08,031 --> 01:18:11,034 So, I-- I went in the studio and cut some acoustic songs. 1428 01:18:11,208 --> 01:18:13,689 All right, we're going again. Get ready. 1429 01:18:16,648 --> 01:18:22,132 Everybody has the way that they're affected by this. 1430 01:18:23,089 --> 01:18:26,310 He's very British and he keeps his feelings inside, 1431 01:18:27,311 --> 01:18:32,142 but underneath that is a very soft, 1432 01:18:33,230 --> 01:18:35,188 sensitive, redheaded kid. 1433 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:39,410 I've fucked up a lot of it, but-- 1434 01:18:39,584 --> 01:18:41,238 - No, it's okay. - Yeah? 1435 01:18:41,412 --> 01:18:43,370 Well, maybe you get a, you know-- I mean, whatever. 1436 01:18:43,544 --> 01:18:45,546 If you wanna use it, it's a little-- 1437 01:18:45,721 --> 01:18:47,635 I-- I became unprepared. 1438 01:18:47,810 --> 01:18:49,507 I haven't sung the song ever. 1439 01:18:49,681 --> 01:18:51,248 Apart from the studio. 1440 01:18:51,422 --> 01:18:53,903 Fuck it. You had the best of me. 1441 01:18:58,908 --> 01:18:59,996 Wait. 1442 01:19:04,348 --> 01:19:05,523 Wait. 1443 01:19:09,396 --> 01:19:10,963 I'm losing the will. 1444 01:19:11,137 --> 01:19:12,530 You know, I am... 1445 01:19:14,227 --> 01:19:16,403 I think, spiritually bankrupt at this point. 1446 01:19:20,103 --> 01:19:22,322 I just really am at that point in my life. 1447 01:20:01,057 --> 01:20:03,102 Please give it up, Mr. John Waite-- 1448 01:20:15,898 --> 01:20:18,030 John's got a cheat sheet. 1449 01:20:19,858 --> 01:20:22,208 It's for "Jumping Jack Flash," actually. 1450 01:20:23,862 --> 01:20:26,169 So, we were, uh-- we've done a couple shows together, 1451 01:20:26,343 --> 01:20:27,779 but we haven't seen each other in couple of years. 1452 01:20:27,953 --> 01:20:29,259 It's been a while. 1453 01:20:29,433 --> 01:20:30,390 Why don't you age, motherfucker? 1454 01:20:30,564 --> 01:20:31,914 Look at you, man. 1455 01:20:32,088 --> 01:20:34,090 I was-- I was comparing myself to you 1456 01:20:34,264 --> 01:20:36,919 and I'm watching you I thought, "What-- how's-- what the--" 1457 01:20:37,093 --> 01:20:38,746 You know, I mean, how did you do that? 1458 01:20:38,921 --> 01:20:40,444 I married Daisy Fuentes. 1459 01:20:40,618 --> 01:20:43,360 Yeah. Yeah, it shows. 1460 01:20:43,534 --> 01:20:46,493 - And it helps. Helps a lot. - It helps, yeah. Yeah. 1461 01:20:46,667 --> 01:20:49,235 So, John and I got together today just for-- for a minute, 1462 01:20:49,409 --> 01:20:51,194 and we're like, "Let's do a song together." 1463 01:20:53,892 --> 01:20:56,721 And everybody on Earth loves this song 1464 01:20:56,895 --> 01:20:58,592 and we're gonna butcher the shit out of it right now. 1465 01:21:05,599 --> 01:21:06,600 What do I miss the most? 1466 01:21:06,774 --> 01:21:07,819 Yeah. 1467 01:21:07,993 --> 01:21:09,473 Just being able to get out 1468 01:21:09,647 --> 01:21:11,779 and meet people and interact. 1469 01:21:11,954 --> 01:21:13,477 I think that's really what happens. 1470 01:21:13,651 --> 01:21:14,870 You stop talking to people. 1471 01:21:15,740 --> 01:21:17,176 Difficult, you know. 1472 01:21:21,050 --> 01:21:22,878 ??Every time I think of you ??/i> 1473 01:21:24,227 --> 01:21:27,012 ??I always catch my breath ??/i> 1474 01:21:29,362 --> 01:21:31,234 ??And I'm still standing here ??/i> 1475 01:21:31,408 --> 01:21:34,063 ??And you're miles away ??/i> 1476 01:21:34,237 --> 01:21:37,893 ??And I'm wondering why you left ??/i> 1477 01:21:38,067 --> 01:21:42,375 ??And there's a storm that's raging ??/i> 1478 01:21:42,549 --> 01:21:46,075 ??Through my frozen heart tonight ??/i> 1479 01:21:46,249 --> 01:21:49,730 You've been a great, great crowd and a great, great time! 1480 01:22:15,974 --> 01:22:18,498 This next song took about ten minutes to write 1481 01:22:19,935 --> 01:22:22,720 and changed my life beyond all whole recognition. 1482 01:22:24,591 --> 01:22:26,593 ??Every time I think of you ??/i> 1483 01:22:28,856 --> 01:22:32,382 ??I always catch my breath ??/i> 1484 01:22:32,556 --> 01:22:35,341 ??And I'm still standing here ??/i> 1485 01:22:35,515 --> 01:22:37,561 ??And you're miles away ??/i> 1486 01:22:37,735 --> 01:22:41,695 ??And I'm wondering why you left ??/i> 1487 01:22:41,869 --> 01:22:44,960 ??And it's my heart that's breaking ??/i> 1488 01:22:46,831 --> 01:22:50,269 ??Down this long distance line ??/i> 1489 01:22:50,443 --> 01:22:52,576 ??I ain't missing you at all ??/i> 1490 01:22:54,970 --> 01:22:59,409 ??Since you've been gone away ??/i> 1491 01:22:59,583 --> 01:23:01,237 ??I ain't missing you ??/i> 1492 01:23:04,457 --> 01:23:10,072 ??No matter what my friends say ??/i> 1493 01:23:10,246 --> 01:23:14,641 ??There's a message in the wire ??/i> 1494 01:23:14,815 --> 01:23:18,906 ??And I'm sending you this signal tonight ??/i> 1495 01:23:19,081 --> 01:23:23,955 ??You don't know how desperate I've become ??/i> 1496 01:23:24,129 --> 01:23:28,046 ??And it looks like I'm losing this fight ??/i> 1497 01:23:28,220 --> 01:23:33,051 ??And it's my heart that's breaking, yeah ??/i> 1498 01:23:33,225 --> 01:23:36,315 ??Down this long distance line tonight ??/i> 1499 01:23:36,489 --> 01:23:39,014 ??I ain't missing you at all ??/i> 1500 01:23:41,059 --> 01:23:45,498 ??Since you've been gone away ??/i> 1501 01:23:45,672 --> 01:23:47,544 ??I ain't missing you ??/i> 1502 01:23:50,416 --> 01:23:56,509 ??No matter what my heart says ??/i> 1503 01:23:56,683 --> 01:24:00,296 ??And there's a message that I'm sending out ??/i> 1504 01:24:00,470 --> 01:24:06,084 ??Like a telegraph to your soul ??/i> 1505 01:24:06,258 --> 01:24:09,348 ??And if I can't bridge this distance ??/i> 1506 01:24:09,522 --> 01:24:12,395 ??Stop this heartbreak overload ??/i> 1507 01:24:12,569 --> 01:24:15,224 ??I ain't missing you at all ??/i> 1508 01:24:18,227 --> 01:24:22,013 ??Since you've been gone away ??/i> 1509 01:24:22,187 --> 01:24:24,363 ??I ain't missing you at all ??/i> 1510 01:24:25,234 --> 01:24:28,237 I love you people. I truly do. I love you. 1511 01:24:28,411 --> 01:24:33,633 ??No matter what my heart might say ??/i> 1512 01:24:36,636 --> 01:24:41,467 ??No matter, baby, , anyway ??/i> 1513 01:24:41,641 --> 01:24:43,600 ??I ain't missing you ??/i> 1514 01:24:45,689 --> 01:24:48,300 ??I can lie to myself these days ??/i> 1515 01:24:49,954 --> 01:24:53,131 ??I ain't missing you ??/i> 1516 01:24:53,305 --> 01:24:55,655 ??I'll get by, baby ??/i> 1517 01:24:55,829 --> 01:24:59,006 ??I can lie to myself these days ??/i> 1518 01:24:59,181 --> 01:25:01,835 ??I ain't missing you ??/i> 1519 01:25:02,009 --> 01:25:03,402 ??No way ??/i> 1520 01:25:03,576 --> 01:25:04,882 ??Yeah ??/i> 1521 01:25:05,056 --> 01:25:07,493 ??I ain't missing you ??/i> 1522 01:25:07,667 --> 01:25:11,106 ??I ain't missing you ??/i> 1523 01:25:18,852 --> 01:25:20,245 I'm John Waite. 1524 01:25:22,117 --> 01:25:25,555 And the decisions I made, I-- I think were honest 1525 01:25:25,729 --> 01:25:29,124 and I think I've tried to do in-- 1526 01:25:29,298 --> 01:25:32,953 in this crazy mixed up world of the music business, 1527 01:25:33,128 --> 01:25:34,433 I think I've done it with 1528 01:25:34,607 --> 01:25:35,608 a sense of integrity and honesty. 1529 01:25:35,782 --> 01:25:37,697 I-- I really do. 1530 01:25:37,871 --> 01:25:40,918 And, uh, if I've been out of step it's because I thought 1531 01:25:41,092 --> 01:25:44,051 the work was more important than the business. 1532 01:25:44,226 --> 01:25:45,575 I mean, that's the truth of it. 1533 01:25:47,054 --> 01:25:48,839 In our great city of Philadelphia, 1534 01:25:49,013 --> 01:25:51,233 please welcome, John Waite! 1535 01:25:58,544 --> 01:26:01,199 ??People talking ??/i> 1536 01:26:01,373 --> 01:26:04,898 ??And they're saying that you're leaving, yeah ??/i> 1537 01:26:05,072 --> 01:26:07,423 ??So unhappy, baby ??/i> 1538 01:26:07,597 --> 01:26:11,644 ??With the way that you've been living, yeah ??/i> 1539 01:26:13,907 --> 01:26:15,213 Hey! 1540 01:26:15,387 --> 01:26:16,823 The story isn't over yet. 1541 01:26:16,997 --> 01:26:20,523 I'll see you at the next poker game. 1542 01:26:20,697 --> 01:26:22,960 ??We think we've got the answers ??/i> 1543 01:26:23,134 --> 01:26:28,052 ??Some things ain't ever gonna change [change] ??/i> 1544 01:26:28,226 --> 01:26:31,316 ??It doesn't matter who you are ??/i> 1545 01:26:31,490 --> 01:26:34,580 ??It's all the same [change] ??/i> 1546 01:26:34,754 --> 01:26:38,149 ??What's in your heart will never change ??/i> 1547 01:26:38,323 --> 01:26:41,587 ??Look in the mirror ??/i> 1548 01:26:41,761 --> 01:26:43,807 ??And you see how you've been taken ??/i> 1549 01:26:45,330 --> 01:26:48,420 ??You're looking back out ??/i> 1550 01:26:48,594 --> 01:26:50,596 ??But now your heart is breakin' ??/i> 1551 01:26:51,858 --> 01:26:53,338 ??Oh oh oh ??/i> 1552 01:26:53,512 --> 01:26:56,559 ??We always wish for money ??/i> 1553 01:26:56,733 --> 01:27:00,040 ??We always wish for fame ??/i> 1554 01:27:00,215 --> 01:27:04,219 ??We think we've got the answers ??/i> 1555 01:27:04,393 --> 01:27:07,570 ??Some things don't ever change [change] ??/i> 1556 01:27:24,021 --> 01:27:27,198 ??Driving faster than you want me to ??/i> 1557 01:27:27,372 --> 01:27:30,070 ??Can't help myself when I'm alone with you ??/i> 1558 01:27:30,245 --> 01:27:31,768 ??All right ??/i> 1559 01:27:33,639 --> 01:27:34,945 ??All right ??/i> 1560 01:27:38,340 --> 01:27:41,995 ??I've passed the limit and there's no way back ??/i> 1561 01:27:42,169 --> 01:27:44,911 ??Your kind of love gives me a heart attack ??/i> 1562 01:27:45,085 --> 01:27:46,522 ??All right ??/i> 1563 01:27:48,524 --> 01:27:50,003 ??All right ??/i> 1564 01:27:51,657 --> 01:27:53,355 ??'Cause, baby, can't you see ??/i> 1565 01:27:53,529 --> 01:27:56,836 ??We need to spend some time alone ??/i> 1566 01:27:57,010 --> 01:28:00,405 ??We need to see some dreams come true ??/i> 1567 01:28:00,579 --> 01:28:04,235 ??I want to feel me touching you ??/i> 1568 01:28:04,409 --> 01:28:07,891 ??We need a midnight rendezvous ??/i> 1569 01:28:15,551 --> 01:28:18,945 ??On the freeway with the throttle down ??/i> 1570 01:28:19,119 --> 01:28:21,731 ??You drive me crazy as we drive around ??/i> 1571 01:28:21,905 --> 01:28:23,080 ??All right ??/i> 1572 01:28:25,561 --> 01:28:26,866 ??All night ??/i> 1573 01:28:30,217 --> 01:28:33,612 ??The way you look tonight you aim to please ??/i> 1574 01:28:33,786 --> 01:28:36,441 ??The dress you're wearin' is way past your knees ??/i> 1575 01:28:36,615 --> 01:28:37,747 ??All right ??/i> 1576 01:28:40,097 --> 01:28:41,446 ??All right ??/i> 1577 01:28:43,666 --> 01:28:45,320 ??'Cause, baby, can't you see ??/i> 1578 01:28:45,494 --> 01:28:48,410 ??We need to spend some time alone ??/i> 1579 01:28:48,584 --> 01:28:52,065 ??We need to see some dreams come true ??/i> 1580 01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:55,765 ??I want to feel you touching me ??/i> 1581 01:28:55,939 --> 01:29:00,639 ??We need a midnight rendezvous ??/i> 1582 01:29:14,044 --> 01:29:16,525 ??Midnight ??/i> 1583 01:29:16,699 --> 01:29:19,179 ??Midnight rendezvous ??/i> 1584 01:29:21,268 --> 01:29:22,792 ??Midnight ??/i> 1585 01:29:24,184 --> 01:29:26,491 ??Midnight rendezvous ??/i> 1586 01:29:28,711 --> 01:29:30,234 ??Midnight ??/i> 1587 01:29:31,540 --> 01:29:33,977 ??Midnight rendezvous ??/i> 1588 01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:37,633 ??Midnight ??/i> 1589 01:29:38,938 --> 01:29:41,158 ??Midnight rendezvous ??/i> 1590 01:29:41,332 --> 01:29:43,595 ??Yeah, yeah ??/i> 1591 01:29:46,293 --> 01:29:50,080 ??All I really want to do ??/i> 1592 01:29:50,254 --> 01:29:52,909 ??Spend some time alone with you ??/i> 1593 01:29:53,823 --> 01:29:55,172 ??Yeah ??/i> 1594 01:29:56,652 --> 01:29:58,175 ??A midnight ??/i> 1595 01:29:58,349 --> 01:30:01,526 ??[Baby, baby, can't you see] ??/i> 1596 01:30:01,700 --> 01:30:05,356 ??[Baby, baby, you and me] ??/i> 1597 01:30:05,530 --> 01:30:09,316 ??[Baby, baby, can't you see] ??/i> 1598 01:30:09,491 --> 01:30:12,276 ??[Baby, baby, you and me] ??/i> 1599 01:30:12,450 --> 01:30:14,583 ??A midnight rendezvous ??/i> 1600 01:30:19,979 --> 01:30:21,720 ??Yeah ??/i> 125750

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