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Hi.
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I don't think I'm gonna be able to do it,
because I'm at work.
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So, I don't think it's gonna
happen today, for me.
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This will be really easy to slip on.
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And the shoes works, I think.
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Yeah, so this one. Okay.
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- I prefer this one.
- It's magic fabric, isn't it?
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This is perfect, look.
And the shining is perfect.
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Well, people always,
they're like, "You look just like Kaia."
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- I'm like, no she looks like me.
- Exactly.
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- She looks like you. Come on.
- I had it first.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I think it might be Dior.
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From New York Vintage.
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- Chic, right?
- So chic.
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I heard you wanted
maybe company, Linda.
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Yeah, now they came to fit.
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Okay, when you're...
When you're done...
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My God.
This feel so nineties, this camera.
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Where did this come from?
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How do you define
the word, "supermodel"?
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I don't.
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I like to be simple about things,
like call a spade a spade.
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Model, a model.
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Christy's, like, the most beautiful.
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Was never a dream,
I never really thought about it.
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It just sort of happened, and then it
became much bigger than I ever expected.
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She's a classic beauty.
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You see our photo, our image,
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so you feel that you know us.
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But there's no words
that go with our pictures.
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People only just see this part of us,
they don't know what we're like inside,
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and they have a whole different idea
of what we are.
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Naomi...
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is like this fierce goddess.
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We were the physical
representations of power.
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Like, we looked like strong women.
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And we would look in the mirror
and we started believing that.
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I mean, I was ambitious,
I wanted to do something,
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I wanted to make my mark,
but I didn't know doing what,
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so I guess I got my chance.
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Cindy was the all-American girl.
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I think she was one of the first
to really start to plan for a future
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that she would have more of a voice in.
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You know when your dream comes true,
and then you get to do it over and over.
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Linda's a chameleon.
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She could really become whatever
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the photographer wanted her to become.
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I dreamt of being a model,
I wasn't discovered.
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I chose.
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We had to earn our stripes
and take our stepping stones.
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It was insane, like,
we're not The Beatles.
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In 50 years time,
I'll think of it as a very good experience
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and most of my friends,
I'm sure, I will keep.
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This is my class.
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This is the group that I came of age with.
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That's what a supermodel is.
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- It looks so big. Hi.
- Hi.
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Hello.
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- Hello. Hello.
- Hello.
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- How are you?
- Hello. Well, good enough.
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You used to have
all the records in this back room here.
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Yeah, yeah.
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- Are they upstairs now?
- I guess so.
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Careful.
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- So, now, Linda, you're here.
- Next to her?
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Yeah. You can do backsies. Right.
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- Come closer.
- Closer than this?
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Okay, now...
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I think you're ready to model again.
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You haven't changed.
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- Now, we... that's very good.
- Okay, I have to lift you, Turly.
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- Okay.
- No... Yeah, do that.
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- Did you lift me, or I lifted you?
- I think I'm doing...
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Yeah, I can't, though.
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Okay, sorry. I don't wanna break her.
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- I really don't.
- Here we go.
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- You can come closer, by the way.
- I don't wanna break you this way either.
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Could you come closer?
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- To... Closer to you?
- Keep going. Keep going.
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Now stop. Yeah, that's it.
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Okay.
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Good. Good.
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Ready? I'm gonna lift you. Ready?
One, two, three.
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God!
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- Do it again because I missed it.
- You're gonna need a massage after this.
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- One, two, three.
- Okay.
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I was really young
when I started working.
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The only thing I'd done before modelling
was babysit and clean stalls.
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As a teenager, I just remember
that feeling of being in the suburbs
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and going to school every day
thinking, like,
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there's gotta be something better
out there than this.
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My mother is from Central America,
she's from El Salvador.
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And she and my father met on a flight,
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because my mother was
a flight attendant for Pan Am
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and my dad was a pilot,
was from Northern California.
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And so, um, we ended up settling
in the Bay Area because of that, really.
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My dad did not believe in
spending money on things like clothing.
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He heard us talking about,
like, designer jeans
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and then he would take a trip to Asia
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and come back with, like,
counterfeit Calvin Klein jeans
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and think that we would be so excited
to have the brand,
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and we were, like,
"These aren't real, Dad."
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When I was about 14,
I was at the stable after school.
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And at the barn, there was a photographer.
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He walked over to my mom, and he asked her
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if, you know,
we had ever thought about modeling.
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And my mom said no.
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Um, but I think she was intrigued.
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My mom brought us to meet this agent,
and she kind of looked at my sister and I,
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sort of sizing us up,
and then she said to my sister,
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"You're too little," like,
"you're not gonna work.
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But you, you can probably work,
and let's see what we can do with you."
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And my sister was devastated.
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So, when I was in school
and starting to model,
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I think I probably shared that
with just really close friends.
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I didn't really talk about it too openly.
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You know, to be 15 years old modeling
bridal dresses is kind of funny.
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Sometimes I would say yes to a job,
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and then of course I didn't even want
to do that job if I had
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a more promising or fun thing
to do with my friends.
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So, I remember there were a few times
when my dad was driving me to something
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and saying, you know,
"Well, you made a commitment,
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and this is what you have to do."
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Modeling was not cool at all,
except that I had money.
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That gave me, a lot of independence
right out of the gate, just based on that.
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My next guest began her own
modeling agency 24 years ago,
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and it's now the biggest one in the world.
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Will you welcome, please, Eileen Ford?
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Can a lady survive without being
in your favor in modeling,
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since you are the most powerful, certainly.
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That's not a very feminine word,
but let's face it, you are powerful.
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We do a lot more of the work
than anybody else,
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and we get more of the cream of the work
than anybody else.
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I was probably 15
when I met the Fords.
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When I came to New York...
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the Fords live in this big townhouse
on East 78th Street and Lex.
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And then it was dormitory style.
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And my mom was planning on going home
and letting me stay on my own.
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I think everybody was there
for a week or two.
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There was, like a...
a cycle, a constant cycle.
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If you went on a casting
or on a go-see, they call it,
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you'd have, like,
your list of appointments.
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And then you can have somebody
just with your portfolio,
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open it and close it and then just, like,
send you off on your way.
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On one of my castings,
the sittings editor said to me,
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"Hey, I want to send you down
to Arthur Elgort's studio."
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And that's sort of like
when everything changed.
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I just knew that this is gonna be a star.
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Arthur's style
is very much, you know,
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where you're always in motion and always
in action and not super stylized,
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just very kind of free.
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He photographed a lot
of dancers and musicians.
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He taught me a lot about, like,
how to be comfortable in front of a camera
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and, like, move
and what to do with my hands.
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I called the booker.
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I said, "I have a job coming up
for Vogue magazine, and I want Christy."
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And it was funny at the time
because the booker said,
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"You think Christy's good?
We have better."
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I said, "You've done your part.
I'll stick with Christy anyway."
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Now, this is the first picture
I took of Linda.
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- This picture.
- The first one?
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Yes, yes. You remember it?
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- I do remember.
- Was it in Paris or here?
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No. In Paris.
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Now, this one, you remember that?
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It was raining out. Here.
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Did I do that many times
or just once?
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- No, no. Twice.
- Twice I did it?
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And you said,
"I know what to do,"
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so I just made sure I was in focus,
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- and she did that.
- You always were.
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- No, not recently.
- We always got a picture.
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Cindy... That's a gorgeous one.
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I feel like
I remember that one, too.
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- There's baby 'Omi.
- For the Azzedine book.
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Now, I haven't seen
Naomi in years.
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- No...
- Does she look the same?
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- Better.
- Better?
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She just gets better and better.
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After that first photoshoot
with Arthur, I went to London.
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Went straight to the studio,
and then Naomi came in.
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She was, like, not in her school uniform,
but she was basically also in school,
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and, you know,
just super excited to be there.
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Just adorable.
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When I first met Christy, she was so kind,
and we had such a great shoot.
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I didn't want it to end.
It didn't feel like work.
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We were playing Wham!, I remember.
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We'd just be dancing
and dancing and hanging out,
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having such a good time.
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After a few days and just the hours
they had us there,
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you know, you just get to be
sort of delirious.
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From that moment on,
Naomi and I stayed close.
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We done, we done, we done,
we done, we done?
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Waiting for me?
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Okay, first outfit.
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I know you... I know you makeup artists
love to put it with the lip brush,
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but I'm like.
Straight up with the lipstick.
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- All right?
- I love it.
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- Okay, cool.
- Just a little?
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Okay. I don't know
how many hours late I am,
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but I'll just knock out the pictures.
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You know, let me tell you this.
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By the time this comes out,
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- I will not be smoking.
- I hope not.
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I am stopping to smoke
on the 31st of January,
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- and now this is documenting it...
- You promise?
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So I'm gonna be held to my word.
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- I have to stop. I have to stop.
- I'm gonna hold you to your word.
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Please. It's so bad for you, Naomi.
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- I know. It's terrible.
- It's really bad.
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And none of the other three smoke.
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Linda doesn't smoke, Christy doesn't smoke
and Cindy doesn't smoke.
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I've lived most of my life
in front of a camera.
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I studied theater arts in London.
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Dance was my main thing.
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And that's all I wanted at that time...
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was to make it in theater arts,
that was my focus.
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I'd tell my mum I have an audition,
and my mum would say,
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"Okay, but how many kids
do they want out of this audition?"
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Like, maybe six or seven.
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And we'd get to the audition,
there'd be like 600 kids,
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and she'd be like, "My God, Naomi,
I don't think you're gonna get this,"
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and I'd be like,
"Yes, I am. I'm getting it."
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- What part do you want to read for?
- Snow White.
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We're not doing Snow White.
We're doing Cinderella.
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Cinderella, then.
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You can be a footman if you like.
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- Okay.
- What's your name?
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My mother did her best
to put me in a place
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where I could study and learn
and get educated.
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She sent me to this private school,
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and I was called the N-word
when I was five.
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I wasn't gonna accept to be bullied
at school for the color of my skin.
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My mother was paying my school fees
just like everybody else.
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I had every right to be there,
so go take your bullying somewhere else.
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That's how I felt.
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I remember Don Letts walking
into my school and saying,
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"I need children for a Bob Marley video."
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Bob Marley's walking down the street
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holding a little girl's hand
and a little boy's hand.
242
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I'm the little girl.
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Bob Marley, for a Jamaican,
was like a god.
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Couldn't believe it.
245
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I was in a Culture Club video.
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I lived for Boy George.
I lived for Culture Club.
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I thought Boy George was just like...
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He didn't care what people thought of him
and how he dressed,
249
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and if he put on makeup, and if he was
a boy in makeup, I loved it.
250
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In 1984, I didn't want
to go home directly,
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so a bunch of my school friends and I
stopped in this great, kind of, artsy area
252
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we have in London called Covent Garden.
253
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There was the square,
music in the streets.
254
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There was always artsy things happening.
255
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American lady said to me did I model?
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I was a bit taken back because
some of my school friends,
257
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like, had beautiful,
long, silky golden hair,
258
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and there was me just like, you know,
a little awkward in the sense of...
259
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I always wanted to shrink myself a little
bit 'cause I felt like a little lanky.
260
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And so, I took the lady's card,
and I didn't call her for weeks.
261
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And then I called her.
Her name was Beth Boldt.
262
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She sent me on go-sees.
263
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I had three pictures in my book.
264
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Gotta start somewhere.
265
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I did not know how to model.
266
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I didn't have money
to buy fashion magazines.
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So, I used all the dance training I had,
268
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so jumping in the air,
splits, you know, all of that stuff.
269
00:17:37,642 --> 00:17:40,937
Well, Martin Brading gave me a break.
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I started with her
when she was 15.
271
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But she was old for her age in some ways.
She was quite clever, smart.
272
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She knew what was going on.
273
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She liked having her photograph taken.
You could feel that.
274
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At the time, modeling was
kind of looked down on in my family.
275
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My mother had no idea
that I was doing any of it.
276
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He sells the pictures
for charity, right?
277
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We want him to sell
for the most amount of money possible.
278
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So, sometimes the more recognizable I am,
279
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like, it shouldn't be like,
"Who's that girl in the picture?"
280
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It should... "Girl."
"Who's that woman in the picture?"
281
00:18:29,527 --> 00:18:32,488
It should be,
"That... It's Cindy Crawford."
282
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So, like, if he wants the hair up,
283
00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:37,159
but we really don't think
it's the most flattering for me,
284
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we should fight for it.
285
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See you tomorrow. Thank you.
286
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Whoo! Brr!
287
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It is like small town, isn't it?
288
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I mean, it has that vibe.
289
00:18:56,346 --> 00:19:01,518
I grew up in the Midwest,
so I grew up with snow and weather.
290
00:19:06,773 --> 00:19:08,482
Every kid in my town,
291
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once you were either, like,
a certain height or a certain age,
292
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you could work in the cornfields
in the summer.
293
00:19:18,243 --> 00:19:22,204
You'd come home covered
in pollen and dirt and bugs.
294
00:19:22,205 --> 00:19:25,208
My mother would hose us off
before we were allowed into the house.
295
00:19:28,128 --> 00:19:31,171
I grew up in DeKalb, Illinois.
296
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Small town.
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Blue collar family.
298
00:19:35,594 --> 00:19:40,723
I actually had a very, I think,
idyllic kind of all-American childhood
299
00:19:40,724 --> 00:19:46,813
until I was nine years old and my brother
got diagnosed with leukemia.
300
00:19:47,522 --> 00:19:49,733
He passed away a year later.
301
00:19:53,028 --> 00:19:55,279
While my brother was sick, obviously,
302
00:19:55,280 --> 00:20:00,034
that became the focal point
of my whole family.
303
00:20:00,035 --> 00:20:04,623
And then when he passed away it's like,
how do you grieve as a family?
304
00:20:06,458 --> 00:20:10,252
My sisters and I kinda felt like,
"It should have been one of the girls."
305
00:20:10,253 --> 00:20:12,714
Like, as opposed to the only boy.
306
00:20:13,673 --> 00:20:17,718
I think we felt pressured
to be perfect kids,
307
00:20:17,719 --> 00:20:20,805
which probably served me well in life.
308
00:20:23,266 --> 00:20:24,934
My parents split up
when I was in high school,
309
00:20:24,935 --> 00:20:29,230
so that was kind of like,
the second reminder
310
00:20:29,231 --> 00:20:33,443
that fairytales are,
you know, not real.
311
00:20:35,403 --> 00:20:39,448
My mother was, like,
the model of unconditional love.
312
00:20:39,449 --> 00:20:42,159
"You got an A? That's so great."
313
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,245
"You got a B? That's great."
"You got a C? That's great."
314
00:20:44,246 --> 00:20:46,331
I never got a C, ever.
315
00:20:48,250 --> 00:20:51,920
But my dad rewarded success.
316
00:20:53,380 --> 00:20:54,922
He was, like, my ambition.
317
00:20:54,923 --> 00:20:56,800
Because that's how you got his attention.
318
00:20:59,761 --> 00:21:04,848
I never felt like I looked special
or different.
319
00:21:04,849 --> 00:21:07,935
If anything,
I wasn't like the ugly duckling,
320
00:21:07,936 --> 00:21:10,813
but in my high school the pretty girls
321
00:21:10,814 --> 00:21:13,023
were, like,
the little petite cheerleaders.
322
00:21:13,024 --> 00:21:16,736
That was what the idea of beauty was
in my small town.
323
00:21:18,321 --> 00:21:20,197
I never even thought about modeling.
324
00:21:20,198 --> 00:21:21,907
I didn't even know it was a real job.
325
00:21:21,908 --> 00:21:26,454
I didn't know how I would get
from DeKalb, Illinois to a magazine.
326
00:21:29,833 --> 00:21:35,004
But then a local photographer asked me
if he could photograph me.
327
00:21:35,005 --> 00:21:38,550
My dad really didn't understand
that modeling was a real career.
328
00:21:39,384 --> 00:21:43,178
He thought modeling was, like, another
name for prostitution.
329
00:21:43,179 --> 00:21:46,682
So, they came with me
to my very first modeling appointment.
330
00:21:53,565 --> 00:21:56,483
The agent was kind of like,
"Well, I don't know,
331
00:21:56,484 --> 00:21:58,236
you've got a mole on your face."
332
00:21:59,362 --> 00:22:01,406
But she's like,
"Let's do some test pictures."
333
00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:10,664
The pictures were really terrible
and pretty unusable,
334
00:22:10,665 --> 00:22:14,919
except that the hairdresser,
he saw something in me,
335
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,713
and he showed it to Elite in Chicago
336
00:22:17,714 --> 00:22:23,011
and they called me in,
and they set up a test shoot.
337
00:22:29,559 --> 00:22:35,106
I got a job for Marshall Field's,
which was a department store for a bra ad.
338
00:22:36,233 --> 00:22:39,068
About two weeks later,
I go to school one day
339
00:22:39,069 --> 00:22:41,028
and it's plastered
all over my high school.
340
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:43,364
And I remember, like,
kids are trying to tease me about it
341
00:22:43,365 --> 00:22:45,199
and make me feel bad and I'm thinking,
342
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,994
"Do they know I made, like,
120 bucks or whatever doing that?"
343
00:22:48,995 --> 00:22:52,374
I didn't care. I was like,
"Better than working in the cornfields."
344
00:23:00,757 --> 00:23:02,883
So you wanna put
a couple more earrings on one ear?
345
00:23:02,884 --> 00:23:04,802
- Like a couple of those little guys.
- Yeah.
346
00:23:04,803 --> 00:23:08,597
Yeah, I want you to know,
these two holes,
347
00:23:08,598 --> 00:23:10,766
I don't know what angle they are,
348
00:23:10,767 --> 00:23:13,602
but I did them when I was 12 years old.
349
00:23:13,603 --> 00:23:18,816
And I found a file
in my father's tool box...
350
00:23:18,817 --> 00:23:21,068
- And you punched it yourself.
- Stop.
351
00:23:21,069 --> 00:23:24,197
And I filed my hoops
and I drove them through.
352
00:23:25,073 --> 00:23:26,950
And I got in so much trouble.
353
00:23:27,993 --> 00:23:29,660
She called me a streetwalker.
354
00:23:32,581 --> 00:23:34,331
My parents were so strict, yes.
355
00:23:34,332 --> 00:23:35,792
My mother in particular.
356
00:23:37,085 --> 00:23:42,047
They both emigrated from Italy
to Ontario, Canada.
357
00:23:44,301 --> 00:23:48,554
I grew up very Italian,
very Italian traditions,
358
00:23:48,555 --> 00:23:51,682
but I was always into fashion.
359
00:23:51,683 --> 00:23:53,810
Obsessed with fashion.
360
00:23:54,644 --> 00:23:55,978
You know who this is?
361
00:23:55,979 --> 00:23:58,690
But not the Barbie you know.
362
00:23:59,232 --> 00:24:01,609
This is new Color Magic Barbie.
363
00:24:01,610 --> 00:24:04,446
Her hair actually changes color.
364
00:24:04,946 --> 00:24:07,072
My poor Barbie dolls,
365
00:24:07,073 --> 00:24:10,492
they got dressed and undressed
I don't know how many times.
366
00:24:10,493 --> 00:24:12,996
And my Barbies got married a lot.
367
00:24:18,043 --> 00:24:20,962
I worked in a convenience store.
368
00:24:21,671 --> 00:24:24,466
We had a magazine rack.
369
00:24:25,091 --> 00:24:27,927
And in my free time I would
go through the magazines,
370
00:24:27,928 --> 00:24:29,803
and if there was one that I adored,
371
00:24:29,804 --> 00:24:35,309
I would use my minimum wage
to buy the magazine,
372
00:24:35,310 --> 00:24:38,271
so I could put the photos up on my wall
in my bedroom.
373
00:24:46,780 --> 00:24:48,989
I had curly hair and I got a perm.
374
00:24:48,990 --> 00:24:51,617
And then I cut my hair over the ear,
375
00:24:51,618 --> 00:24:54,913
I think they call that... a mullet.
376
00:24:58,959 --> 00:25:00,919
I thought I was the cat's meow.
377
00:25:04,297 --> 00:25:08,133
My mother understood
how important fashion was to me,
378
00:25:08,134 --> 00:25:12,472
so my mother said,
"Why don't we try modeling school?"
379
00:25:13,473 --> 00:25:18,894
I learned how to take a jacket off...
with one hand.
380
00:25:18,895 --> 00:25:22,273
You pop your buttons with one hand,
you start at the bottom.
381
00:25:22,274 --> 00:25:25,443
No one needs to go to modeling school
to be a model.
382
00:25:28,321 --> 00:25:31,031
It's ironic that my parents
let me go to Japan
383
00:25:31,032 --> 00:25:34,618
when I was 16
on a modeling contract.
384
00:25:34,619 --> 00:25:38,456
They wouldn't let me go
on the school ski trip.
385
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,960
But they let me go to Japan.
386
00:25:43,169 --> 00:25:46,547
When I got to Japan,
first thing they asked me
387
00:25:46,548 --> 00:25:49,258
was about nude photographs,
388
00:25:49,259 --> 00:25:51,093
and they wanted
to take all my measurements
389
00:25:51,094 --> 00:25:52,470
and take your clothes off.
390
00:25:55,348 --> 00:26:01,771
And I'm like, "I just made a composite,
and it had my measurements on it."
391
00:26:03,398 --> 00:26:05,775
And I didn't want to take my clothes off.
392
00:26:07,193 --> 00:26:08,778
I kind of freaked out.
393
00:26:12,741 --> 00:26:15,035
I never should have went there by myself.
394
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:17,954
I went home.
395
00:26:19,664 --> 00:26:25,794
I sort of gave up,
but then my modeling agency
396
00:26:25,795 --> 00:26:30,341
insisted I enter
the Miss Teen Niagara pageant.
397
00:26:30,342 --> 00:26:34,846
I was unsuccessful,
but there was a scout in the audience.
398
00:26:36,389 --> 00:26:39,516
And they introduced me
to John Casablancas.
399
00:26:39,517 --> 00:26:41,603
And when he met me, he said,
400
00:26:42,103 --> 00:26:44,439
"Wow, I think you look like
Joan Severance."
401
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:48,652
And I almost dropped dead
'cause I worshipped her.
402
00:26:50,987 --> 00:26:53,322
He said, "Yeah, we'd love to take you on.
403
00:26:53,323 --> 00:26:55,367
Maybe you should lose five pounds.
404
00:26:57,285 --> 00:26:59,788
And, we'll give it a go."
405
00:27:03,416 --> 00:27:09,381
John Casablancas
was an extremely charming man.
406
00:27:09,965 --> 00:27:13,343
He was the head
of Elite Modeling Agency.
407
00:27:14,177 --> 00:27:16,262
You can tell, he had,
408
00:27:16,263 --> 00:27:21,101
like, you know, he was that suave guy.
409
00:27:21,685 --> 00:27:25,521
I think, by the time I met him,
he did date,
410
00:27:25,522 --> 00:27:29,108
you know, someone my age or almost my age.
411
00:27:29,109 --> 00:27:31,903
I never saw him as that.
Like, to me he was my agent.
412
00:27:36,241 --> 00:27:39,201
In my senior year of high school,
Elite Agency signed me up
413
00:27:39,202 --> 00:27:41,870
for their Look of the Year contest.
414
00:27:41,871 --> 00:27:44,749
So, it's like a model search contest.
415
00:27:46,793 --> 00:27:51,505
Me and about, probably,
200 young women were in Acapulco
416
00:27:51,506 --> 00:27:55,050
and that was more, like, almost, like,
you would think of a beauty pageant.
417
00:27:55,051 --> 00:27:57,511
My name is Cindy Crawford,
I'm from Chicago, Illinois.
418
00:27:57,512 --> 00:27:59,514
But you didn't
have to have any talent.
419
00:28:01,224 --> 00:28:04,811
This is a contest
for the fun of it, for the beauty of it.
420
00:28:05,896 --> 00:28:09,315
Judging is taking place all the time.
421
00:28:09,316 --> 00:28:12,193
You are being watched all the time.
422
00:28:12,819 --> 00:28:17,364
Because being a model is being a person
423
00:28:17,365 --> 00:28:19,868
who can be great at all times.
424
00:28:20,660 --> 00:28:23,537
When I look back on it,
it's probably pretty "not woke,"
425
00:28:23,538 --> 00:28:26,916
but at the time it didn't, you know,
it just felt like it was an audition.
426
00:28:29,878 --> 00:28:34,590
We went around the world
and we grabbed you, we found you,
427
00:28:34,591 --> 00:28:41,222
we brought you here, and we hope
that this is just the beginning
428
00:28:41,223 --> 00:28:44,642
of something that will make you
great Elite models,
429
00:28:44,643 --> 00:28:47,937
and that we will make together
a lot of money
430
00:28:47,938 --> 00:28:49,605
and have a lot of success.
431
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:55,444
I got selected in the top ten.
432
00:28:55,445 --> 00:28:58,489
When you were in the top ten, they kinda
pulled you aside to interview you,
433
00:28:58,490 --> 00:29:00,115
"Would you be willing to quit school?"
434
00:29:00,116 --> 00:29:01,867
"Can you move to New York?"
and blah, blah, blah.
435
00:29:01,868 --> 00:29:05,372
I was still in high school, and I wasn't
ready to quit school, and I said that.
436
00:29:09,584 --> 00:29:11,211
So I went back to high school.
437
00:29:12,420 --> 00:29:16,675
I was well on my way,
and did become co-valedictorian.
438
00:29:17,634 --> 00:29:21,512
And I applied to Northwestern University
439
00:29:21,513 --> 00:29:25,058
and got a scholarship if I would
go into Chemical Engineering.
440
00:29:27,811 --> 00:29:34,400
The summer, before I went to college,
I had been invited to New York by Elite,
441
00:29:34,401 --> 00:29:38,237
and I went to see a photographer,
Patrick Demarchelier.
442
00:29:38,238 --> 00:29:42,575
He said, "Fine,
I'll book her to go to Rome.
443
00:29:42,576 --> 00:29:44,869
But I want her to cut her hair off."
444
00:29:46,538 --> 00:29:49,248
My agency and I decided,
"No, it wasn't worth it."
445
00:29:49,249 --> 00:29:51,709
So, we said,
"No, she's not cutting her hair."
446
00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:54,462
And they said,
"Fine. We'll take her anyway."
447
00:29:56,506 --> 00:29:58,340
I was so excited.
448
00:29:58,341 --> 00:30:01,177
It was just a great opportunity.
449
00:30:07,309 --> 00:30:08,851
The very first night,
450
00:30:08,852 --> 00:30:13,273
they send the hairdresser to my room
to give me a "trim."
451
00:30:13,982 --> 00:30:18,194
Combed my hair, put it in a ponytail and
chopped my ponytail off without asking.
452
00:30:21,156 --> 00:30:22,781
I was in shock.
453
00:30:22,782 --> 00:30:26,411
And I just sat there
in a hotel room in Rome crying.
454
00:30:28,413 --> 00:30:32,291
And if people wonder why I've never really
cut my hair since then, that's why.
455
00:30:32,292 --> 00:30:33,835
Because I was so traumatized.
456
00:30:39,382 --> 00:30:44,303
I really felt...
I was not seen as a person
457
00:30:44,304 --> 00:30:48,516
who had a voice in her own destiny.
458
00:30:49,643 --> 00:30:52,102
It wasn't that
I didn't like my hair short,
459
00:30:52,103 --> 00:30:55,565
it was that I hadn't voted myself in
to having short hair.
460
00:30:56,983 --> 00:31:01,404
If this is what it means to be a model,
I'm just not ready for this.
461
00:31:17,629 --> 00:31:21,590
There's so much mythology
that surrounds models,
462
00:31:21,591 --> 00:31:26,012
and the job of that mythology
is to kind of hide their humanity.
463
00:31:34,938 --> 00:31:38,817
When you look at the history
of the model,
464
00:31:40,277 --> 00:31:43,989
the model's role was
to basically be a living hanger.
465
00:31:44,739 --> 00:31:47,408
They were referred to as mannequins.
466
00:31:47,409 --> 00:31:50,494
Models, typically, are silent,
467
00:31:50,495 --> 00:31:54,165
and their job is
to make everything look effortless.
468
00:31:56,835 --> 00:31:59,275
You didn't necessarily
know a model's name.
469
00:31:59,921 --> 00:32:05,510
I was lucky to be a model, runway model,
but I really always had a full time job.
470
00:32:10,348 --> 00:32:13,267
There were many other models
who were famous,
471
00:32:13,268 --> 00:32:17,354
but most of them were famous,
really, just for print.
472
00:32:17,355 --> 00:32:20,275
You know, whether it would be Twiggy
back in the '60s,
473
00:32:21,526 --> 00:32:23,528
Lauren Hutton in the '70s.
474
00:32:24,738 --> 00:32:27,573
I think the model types
tended to look like
475
00:32:27,574 --> 00:32:29,950
men's ideas
about what women should look like.
476
00:32:29,951 --> 00:32:35,080
They were blondes like Cheryl Tiegs
or Christie Brinkley.
477
00:32:35,081 --> 00:32:37,333
I mean, gorgeous women
but they, you know,
478
00:32:37,334 --> 00:32:40,670
from ten feet away,
they kind of look alike.
479
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:49,220
I think the fashion industry
has created an illusion of glamor and sex
480
00:32:49,221 --> 00:32:52,348
because you're not supposed to know
that perhaps that model
481
00:32:52,349 --> 00:32:56,936
who's supposed to represent
this idealized woman,
482
00:32:56,937 --> 00:32:59,147
is only 17 years old.
483
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,566
The models were the ones
ultimately responsible
484
00:33:02,567 --> 00:33:04,944
for selling the brands
at the end of the day.
485
00:33:04,945 --> 00:33:06,946
Or certainly selling the magazines.
486
00:33:06,947 --> 00:33:10,283
So I think the pressures were incredible.
487
00:33:11,868 --> 00:33:15,788
You have to have great photographs,
or be great in a fashion show,
488
00:33:15,789 --> 00:33:18,040
and then you have to slay it the next day.
489
00:33:23,463 --> 00:33:25,172
- Like that?
- No, a little bit more.
490
00:33:25,173 --> 00:33:27,384
That's it. Roll it.
491
00:33:27,884 --> 00:33:29,552
- Let me ask her a question.
- Good. Okay. Go ahead.
492
00:33:29,553 --> 00:33:32,153
How important are
your eyelashes to your total look?
493
00:33:32,514 --> 00:33:34,348
Um, it's very important.
494
00:33:34,349 --> 00:33:36,892
Without eyelashes, you're not finished.
495
00:33:36,893 --> 00:33:39,353
Do you use your eyelashes
to communicate at all?
496
00:33:39,354 --> 00:33:41,647
- Yes, when you want something.
- How?
497
00:33:41,648 --> 00:33:43,482
- Pardon me?
- Like, when you want something.
498
00:33:43,483 --> 00:33:47,153
Adds to your charm
when you bat your lashes.
499
00:33:49,656 --> 00:33:50,906
Was that a good answer?
500
00:33:53,451 --> 00:33:55,579
I didn't think I was beautiful.
501
00:33:56,997 --> 00:33:58,665
I thought I was pretty.
502
00:33:59,708 --> 00:34:01,834
And I knew I was tall.
503
00:34:01,835 --> 00:34:04,754
And I was thin, very thin.
504
00:34:05,255 --> 00:34:10,093
So, I thought I had most
of the credentials to be a model.
505
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,517
I believe I was almost 19
when I went to Paris.
506
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:25,025
It was suggested that I maybe
cheat on my age a little bit.
507
00:34:26,443 --> 00:34:30,322
I did get bookings,
but bottom of the ladder.
508
00:34:31,865 --> 00:34:37,787
I wanted to be whoever they wanted me
to be when I showed up at work.
509
00:34:39,204 --> 00:34:43,376
So, whether it was a designer
or a photographer...
510
00:34:44,461 --> 00:34:47,880
I wanted to please them.
511
00:34:56,056 --> 00:34:57,641
Where is Linda?
512
00:34:57,766 --> 00:34:59,809
Linda Evangelista is right there.
513
00:35:00,477 --> 00:35:03,313
I did a Chanel show very early.
514
00:35:03,730 --> 00:35:05,357
- It's going better?
- Yes.
515
00:35:06,942 --> 00:35:08,193
The "Small One"!
516
00:35:10,987 --> 00:35:12,112
I'm not that small.
517
00:35:12,113 --> 00:35:14,365
Linda, we need you to wear
your hair a bit lower.
518
00:35:14,366 --> 00:35:17,053
- Really?
- Because of the hairdressing?
519
00:35:17,077 --> 00:35:21,288
And I felt like, at that point,
I still hadn't found myself.
520
00:35:21,289 --> 00:35:24,042
I felt like a little bit like an imposter.
521
00:35:25,877 --> 00:35:28,128
Linda, go there and
I'll explain what to do.
522
00:35:28,129 --> 00:35:29,839
English or French?
523
00:35:30,382 --> 00:35:32,007
In what language are you supposed to talk?
524
00:35:32,008 --> 00:35:33,385
English.
525
00:35:33,802 --> 00:35:35,095
A bit of French. Good.
526
00:35:36,888 --> 00:35:38,723
But I so wanted to be there.
527
00:35:40,809 --> 00:35:42,602
I so wanted to be there.
528
00:35:48,149 --> 00:35:51,403
My agent thought I should start
from the beginning again,
529
00:35:51,945 --> 00:35:54,906
because my book was not impressing
a single person.
530
00:36:01,663 --> 00:36:04,291
I think I looked awkward.
531
00:36:05,417 --> 00:36:09,963
And I thought I understood fashion,
but I didn't understand fashion.
532
00:36:12,382 --> 00:36:16,051
Many people told me a good career
is three years.
533
00:36:16,052 --> 00:36:18,805
And I did my three years.
534
00:36:20,181 --> 00:36:25,352
So, when I went to see
Peter Lindbergh on a go-see,
535
00:36:25,353 --> 00:36:27,355
I went without my portfolio.
536
00:36:30,233 --> 00:36:31,484
And he booked me.
537
00:36:40,535 --> 00:36:44,246
What I try to do is,
like to give respect to women,
538
00:36:44,247 --> 00:36:47,166
not to transform them into
Mickey Mouses or things like that,
539
00:36:47,167 --> 00:36:50,878
just leave them the way they are
and work with their personalities.
540
00:36:50,879 --> 00:36:54,089
And that's... I mean, when I find
somebody new to work with,
541
00:36:54,090 --> 00:36:55,674
they have to bring it, no?
542
00:36:55,675 --> 00:36:57,635
I don't make it.
They have to bring it.
543
00:36:57,636 --> 00:37:01,890
And that's what in the end in the image,
that's what's left is them, no?
544
00:37:03,850 --> 00:37:06,228
Peter Lindbergh was a craftsman.
545
00:37:06,978 --> 00:37:09,940
He had his technique
down to the millimeter,
546
00:37:10,732 --> 00:37:13,652
getting a certain woman inside his camera.
547
00:37:15,737 --> 00:37:20,449
He had, you know, that very Germanic,
Nordic look to his pictures.
548
00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:22,369
You know, like German industrial.
549
00:37:23,161 --> 00:37:24,454
Always in black and white.
550
00:37:26,081 --> 00:37:29,583
Peter was raw and atmospheric.
551
00:37:29,584 --> 00:37:33,171
They were all very gritty, his pictures.
552
00:37:36,007 --> 00:37:41,596
I think if anybody captured the real me,
553
00:37:42,305 --> 00:37:44,057
it was Peter Lindbergh.
554
00:37:44,808 --> 00:37:48,143
Those were the ones
that made me the most uncomfortable,
555
00:37:48,144 --> 00:37:51,773
'cause it's really hard to just be you.
556
00:37:52,524 --> 00:37:54,484
We've got some
young models in today.
557
00:37:54,985 --> 00:37:57,695
Naomi, why does she make
a good cover girl?
558
00:37:57,696 --> 00:38:01,574
Um, she's got an amazing
personality, apart from being very pretty.
559
00:38:01,575 --> 00:38:03,200
She's incredibly professional.
560
00:38:03,201 --> 00:38:06,579
I mean, even at 15, she's turning up
on sessions with bagfuls of gear and
561
00:38:06,580 --> 00:38:09,290
those necklaces and makeup
and everything like that.
562
00:38:09,291 --> 00:38:12,293
My agent goes,
"I'd like to send you to Elle magazine"
563
00:38:12,294 --> 00:38:15,380
because they would like to take me
on this trip in America.
564
00:38:17,591 --> 00:38:19,718
I felt this real guilt.
565
00:38:21,386 --> 00:38:23,889
My mother had no idea
that I was doing any of it.
566
00:38:26,725 --> 00:38:28,517
My mother was born in Jamaica,
567
00:38:28,518 --> 00:38:31,104
and she came to England
when she was three years old.
568
00:38:33,315 --> 00:38:36,359
My mother was my mother,
my mother was my father.
569
00:38:39,154 --> 00:38:42,823
I also believe a lot of that
was part of my drive, too,
570
00:38:42,824 --> 00:38:45,577
not having my father figure in my life.
571
00:38:49,122 --> 00:38:52,584
I always wanted to make my mother proud.
572
00:38:53,585 --> 00:38:56,713
I know how hard she worked
and sacrificed for me.
573
00:39:00,133 --> 00:39:04,345
So, I finally go home,
and I work up the nerve to tell my mum.
574
00:39:04,346 --> 00:39:05,555
She's pissed.
575
00:39:06,348 --> 00:39:08,390
It's not what she'd sent me to school for.
576
00:39:08,391 --> 00:39:10,810
She's paid my school fees
all these years.
577
00:39:11,978 --> 00:39:15,273
And now I'm just gonna
want to be in modeling?
578
00:39:19,402 --> 00:39:22,821
But she did say yes,
but my mother couldn't come with me
579
00:39:22,822 --> 00:39:25,075
because she was pregnant with my brother.
580
00:39:25,909 --> 00:39:29,204
So, off I went in April 14th
to New Orleans.
581
00:39:44,678 --> 00:39:46,888
Naomi was very cooperative
in those days.
582
00:39:47,889 --> 00:39:51,017
It was her first big job.
It was a big adventure for her.
583
00:39:52,978 --> 00:39:55,522
We did two stories, one on the beach...
584
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,694
and this other story called,
"Land Girls."
585
00:40:02,362 --> 00:40:06,073
We were on a slave plantation
when we did this picture,
586
00:40:06,074 --> 00:40:08,577
six white people and a Black girl.
587
00:40:10,161 --> 00:40:13,999
This is 30 years ago. Different world.
588
00:40:16,376 --> 00:40:18,210
My mom was nervous.
589
00:40:18,211 --> 00:40:19,920
She talked to me before I left.
590
00:40:19,921 --> 00:40:23,340
She told me about racism in America.
591
00:40:25,969 --> 00:40:29,054
She told me about the South,
about the Ku Klux Klan.
592
00:40:30,891 --> 00:40:34,518
You know, that's what we knew
about the South in England.
593
00:40:37,105 --> 00:40:40,900
I started to understand culturally
594
00:40:40,901 --> 00:40:45,947
that I was gonna have to work really hard
to feel accepted.
595
00:40:47,824 --> 00:40:51,076
There was no way I could go back home
with my tail between my legs
596
00:40:51,077 --> 00:40:53,538
saying it didn't work out, I gave up.
597
00:40:54,623 --> 00:40:55,999
No way.
598
00:40:57,751 --> 00:41:00,795
I was gonna go harder and further.
599
00:41:03,924 --> 00:41:07,968
About four months
after I shot British Elle,
600
00:41:07,969 --> 00:41:10,346
there were some people that came to London
601
00:41:10,347 --> 00:41:13,433
because they heard
about this young black girl.
602
00:41:13,975 --> 00:41:18,355
So that was a bit like "Wow, they're
flying over to England to meet me?"
603
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,366
I had a studio in East London.
604
00:41:29,950 --> 00:41:33,369
And a very good friend of mine had run
over and said, "You've got to come over.
605
00:41:33,370 --> 00:41:35,579
You've got to check this girl out,
check this girl out.
606
00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:39,750
She's only 14, she's only 15."
Tap school or whatever.
607
00:41:39,751 --> 00:41:43,588
And that's when I first saw Naomi working.
I think it was for British Elle.
608
00:41:45,090 --> 00:41:47,008
She has presence.
609
00:41:47,509 --> 00:41:49,093
Presence, grounded.
610
00:41:49,094 --> 00:41:51,680
It's like a magnet.
611
00:41:54,140 --> 00:41:55,724
The woman
who had discovered her,
612
00:41:55,725 --> 00:41:57,101
she contacted me because she said,
613
00:41:57,102 --> 00:41:59,436
"There's a girl I think
you should take care of."
614
00:41:59,437 --> 00:42:02,773
Naomi was very respectful
and very shy, quiet.
615
00:42:02,774 --> 00:42:04,526
I was so impressed with her.
616
00:42:05,235 --> 00:42:07,987
Just got to meet
really good people.
617
00:42:07,988 --> 00:42:10,823
Eileen Ford started
to come over to London,
618
00:42:10,824 --> 00:42:14,452
trying to get my mother to get me
to sign with them.
619
00:42:16,997 --> 00:42:18,706
I loved Eileen Ford.
620
00:42:18,707 --> 00:42:22,127
I look back now
at her old-fashioned way of...
621
00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:26,672
her old traditional way
of being a model agent.
622
00:42:26,673 --> 00:42:28,340
- Yeah.
- I think she was correct.
623
00:42:28,341 --> 00:42:30,968
I think she was the most correct
of all of them.
624
00:42:30,969 --> 00:42:32,720
How did she approach you
that was different?
625
00:42:32,721 --> 00:42:34,972
I just liked the way
she took care of the girls.
626
00:42:34,973 --> 00:42:37,213
- Right.
- We all had to live in her home with her,
627
00:42:37,684 --> 00:42:42,522
and you know, she made your parents
feel very protected.
628
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,319
At the time there was, like,
two big agencies in New York.
629
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,237
There was Ford, which was Eileen Ford.
630
00:42:50,238 --> 00:42:55,993
She was very, like, proper,
and you know,
631
00:42:55,994 --> 00:42:59,371
expected all her "girls"
to behave a certain way,
632
00:42:59,372 --> 00:43:01,332
and they would stay in the townhouse.
633
00:43:01,333 --> 00:43:07,672
And then there was Elite, which had
a much different energy at that agency.
634
00:43:09,049 --> 00:43:11,008
They didn't feel like
they were our parents
635
00:43:11,009 --> 00:43:13,135
or wanted to be our parents.
636
00:43:13,136 --> 00:43:16,096
You weren't their responsibility.
They were your agents. That's how I felt.
637
00:43:16,097 --> 00:43:18,516
I didn't feel like I had a second parent
in my agency.
638
00:43:20,060 --> 00:43:21,937
I was 20 years old.
639
00:43:22,479 --> 00:43:26,857
I had dropped out of college
to model in Chicago, and it was great.
640
00:43:26,858 --> 00:43:29,611
I was making a thousand dollars a day.
641
00:43:33,198 --> 00:43:35,116
The main business there was catalog.
642
00:43:37,202 --> 00:43:40,496
There was one big photographer,
Victor Skrebneski.
643
00:43:40,497 --> 00:43:43,333
He was the big fish in the little pond.
644
00:43:44,292 --> 00:43:48,922
Victor was definitely my first mentor
in the fashion industry.
645
00:43:49,506 --> 00:43:53,092
He would tell you, you know,
"Okay, right arm out, shoulder up,"
646
00:43:53,093 --> 00:43:56,262
and when Victor said, "Don't move,"
you didn't move.
647
00:43:56,263 --> 00:43:59,015
You were like,
"Okay, I'm not gonna move a muscle."
648
00:44:00,976 --> 00:44:04,395
I passed out there more than once,
especially right before lunch.
649
00:44:04,396 --> 00:44:07,022
If you were hungry, you would faint.
650
00:44:07,023 --> 00:44:10,694
Then they'd prop you back up, and...
...you'd do it all over again.
651
00:44:11,987 --> 00:44:14,822
It wasn't about, "Wow, you're so
pretty, we're gonna take pictures of you."
652
00:44:14,823 --> 00:44:17,408
No, it was like, "Your job is
you're helping me sell this jacket."
653
00:44:17,409 --> 00:44:19,452
Like, "We're all here
to sell this jacket."
654
00:44:20,078 --> 00:44:23,080
Straight from DeKalb,
Illinois, please welcome Cindy Crawford.
655
00:44:24,457 --> 00:44:25,875
Did she always have this body?
656
00:44:26,501 --> 00:44:27,543
Stand up just a moment.
657
00:44:27,544 --> 00:44:30,547
Now, this is what I call a body.
658
00:44:31,047 --> 00:44:33,424
Did she have to go
through that training period or no?
659
00:44:33,425 --> 00:44:36,051
Well, with Cindy it was
much more psychologically...
660
00:44:36,052 --> 00:44:38,762
She was not sure
she really wanted to model.
661
00:44:38,763 --> 00:44:42,057
- I was like the chattel.
- Mental stability.
662
00:44:42,058 --> 00:44:44,560
Or a child, like, "Be seen and not heard."
663
00:44:44,561 --> 00:44:47,521
When you look at it through today's eyes,
when Oprah's like,
664
00:44:47,522 --> 00:44:50,399
"Stand up and show me your body."
665
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,111
Like, "Show us why
you're worthy of being here."
666
00:44:54,404 --> 00:44:56,989
In the moment, I didn't recognize it,
only when I look back at it,
667
00:44:56,990 --> 00:45:00,784
and I was like, "My gosh,
that was so not okay, really."
668
00:45:00,785 --> 00:45:02,454
Especially from Oprah.
669
00:45:03,163 --> 00:45:05,331
Little by little,
her ambition is growing.
670
00:45:05,332 --> 00:45:09,043
She's getting a sense that she could be,
and I'm saying it now on this program,
671
00:45:09,044 --> 00:45:12,255
if she wants to, she can be maybe
the number one in the business.
672
00:45:13,173 --> 00:45:16,508
I felt good in Chicago,
like the city didn't overwhelm me.
673
00:45:16,509 --> 00:45:20,847
And I had my own apartment.
And I could drive home and see my mother.
674
00:45:21,556 --> 00:45:25,309
I had this very safe situation
with Victor Skrebneski,
675
00:45:25,310 --> 00:45:27,630
who I was working with every day
and making a great living.
676
00:45:29,356 --> 00:45:34,109
I got offered a job in Bali,
and it was like a ten-day trip.
677
00:45:34,110 --> 00:45:37,863
And in Chicago the modeling jobs
that we did were in Chicago.
678
00:45:37,864 --> 00:45:41,660
Like, we rarely got to go on location
and travel and do anything exciting.
679
00:45:43,328 --> 00:45:47,539
Skrebneski's studio, they were holding
one day in that ten days,
680
00:45:47,540 --> 00:45:51,086
and I said, "Can you release me from
this day so I can do this other thing?"
681
00:45:51,836 --> 00:45:53,087
And they said no.
682
00:45:53,088 --> 00:45:57,508
And not only did they say no, they said,
"If you cancel,"
683
00:45:57,509 --> 00:46:02,806
this half-day catalog or whatever it was,
"we will never use you again."
684
00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:07,601
I was working four, five days a week,
mostly with Victor.
685
00:46:07,602 --> 00:46:10,564
They were my bread and butter
and everything.
686
00:46:11,606 --> 00:46:16,361
I was making more money than my parents
would have ever dreamed of.
687
00:46:19,739 --> 00:46:23,785
When I was a kid, there was
never enough to go around.
688
00:46:25,537 --> 00:46:27,955
And then, when my parents split up,
689
00:46:27,956 --> 00:46:34,045
I had seen how my dad used money sometimes
to try to manipulate my mother.
690
00:46:36,214 --> 00:46:38,717
I remember seeing that and going,
"That will never be me."
691
00:46:40,135 --> 00:46:42,053
As you mature,
692
00:46:43,138 --> 00:46:46,099
you know when it's important
to say something and when it's not.
693
00:46:48,351 --> 00:46:52,981
I canceled the job.
I went and did the ten-day trip in Bali.
694
00:46:55,775 --> 00:46:56,818
And that was it.
695
00:46:57,694 --> 00:46:59,237
He never booked me again ever.
696
00:47:00,614 --> 00:47:01,906
If you were modeling in Chicago,
697
00:47:01,907 --> 00:47:04,909
and you weren't working
with Victor Skrebneski,
698
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:07,412
it was like taking a step down.
699
00:47:08,955 --> 00:47:12,459
Okay, well,
I'm gonna give New York a shot.
700
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,383
So, we're doing two covers,
the main cover,
701
00:47:21,384 --> 00:47:25,512
the 75th anniversary cover,
and I think another online cover.
702
00:47:25,513 --> 00:47:26,640
Okay.
703
00:47:30,393 --> 00:47:32,519
Can the hand come up more
to the neck somewhat?
704
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,396
Yeah. And then I'll just go into it.
705
00:47:34,397 --> 00:47:37,191
Beautiful. Maybe, that's it.
706
00:47:37,192 --> 00:47:38,567
Like that. That's better, isn't it?
707
00:47:38,568 --> 00:47:40,277
- My God.
- My God. Gorgeous.
708
00:47:40,278 --> 00:47:41,946
Jesus, such good photography.
709
00:47:44,532 --> 00:47:46,867
Christy looks amazing
as well, guys.
710
00:47:46,868 --> 00:47:49,703
I don't want to...
We got that on camera?
711
00:47:49,704 --> 00:47:52,498
Christy Turlington will do
her first Cosmo cover.
712
00:47:52,499 --> 00:47:56,126
She'll take home 500 dollars
for only three hours of primping
713
00:47:56,127 --> 00:47:58,170
and 15 minutes of posing.
714
00:47:58,171 --> 00:48:01,716
Not bad for a girl
who just graduated high school.
715
00:48:03,301 --> 00:48:06,220
Modeling is like
a learn as you go,
716
00:48:06,221 --> 00:48:08,974
learn as you watch and observe.
717
00:48:09,975 --> 00:48:11,893
There's no real, like, teaching.
718
00:48:15,313 --> 00:48:20,609
Nowadays, all the magic happens
in post-production.
719
00:48:23,655 --> 00:48:27,324
In the '80s and
the early '90s, all the magic happened
720
00:48:27,325 --> 00:48:30,662
exactly at that moment
that you heard "click."
721
00:48:32,664 --> 00:48:34,457
A still image is sacred.
722
00:48:35,292 --> 00:48:40,463
We would take a hundred frames
to get that one.
723
00:48:42,507 --> 00:48:45,677
What we saw is what we got.
724
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:51,600
Somebody was holding the end
of the skirt with a fishing wire string.
725
00:48:52,142 --> 00:48:55,060
There was maybe a Coke can
726
00:48:55,061 --> 00:48:59,940
behind your belt
to cinch in your waist...
727
00:48:59,941 --> 00:49:02,109
We had all these tricks, but the light?
728
00:49:02,110 --> 00:49:05,154
The photographers really worked
on the light
729
00:49:05,155 --> 00:49:07,449
'cause there was no retouching then.
730
00:49:08,241 --> 00:49:11,869
And you never knew
what the picture was going to be
731
00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:13,371
until you saw it in the magazine.
732
00:49:13,955 --> 00:49:17,626
In the 1980s, kids, there was no internet.
733
00:49:18,501 --> 00:49:20,795
There was something called magazines.
734
00:49:24,674 --> 00:49:26,300
We didn't have Instagram.
735
00:49:26,301 --> 00:49:29,428
We didn't have Facebook.
736
00:49:29,429 --> 00:49:31,097
We had magazines.
737
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:37,312
Back then, magazines were one of the
primary ways of entering another world.
738
00:49:38,897 --> 00:49:43,692
And we had people who curated
what culture should be.
739
00:49:43,693 --> 00:49:46,862
A magazine
hopefully catches the reader
740
00:49:46,863 --> 00:49:50,074
who looks more deeply into the clothes
741
00:49:50,075 --> 00:49:52,368
and goes to the shop and buys them.
742
00:49:52,369 --> 00:49:54,495
Bazaar has a style,
Vogue has a style,
743
00:49:54,496 --> 00:49:59,083
Elle has a style...
I don't know how to describe this.
744
00:49:59,084 --> 00:50:00,710
But they were all different.
745
00:50:01,419 --> 00:50:04,089
Harper's Bazaar was very toney.
746
00:50:04,381 --> 00:50:08,259
Elle magazine,
we were doing everything fast.
747
00:50:08,260 --> 00:50:10,344
It was weekly!
748
00:50:10,345 --> 00:50:12,639
Because fashion is quick
you know what I mean?
749
00:50:13,515 --> 00:50:17,227
Vogue was always the crown jewel
of fashion magazines.
750
00:50:17,936 --> 00:50:20,312
Vogue was very international.
751
00:50:20,313 --> 00:50:23,107
And then American Vogue,
obviously, was the Bible.
752
00:50:23,108 --> 00:50:26,819
I think being in Vogue is
something, basically, every model wants.
753
00:50:26,820 --> 00:50:30,656
And it helps her career.
It gets her advertising campaigns.
754
00:50:30,657 --> 00:50:32,199
It gets her book together.
755
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:37,621
I mean, there's other reasons that girls
want to do... do Vogue beyond the money.
756
00:50:37,622 --> 00:50:42,001
I remember getting booked
for American Vogue to St. Barts.
757
00:50:42,002 --> 00:50:44,044
For a girl from a small town
going to St. Barts,
758
00:50:44,045 --> 00:50:45,839
I was like, I... "This is heaven."
759
00:50:46,882 --> 00:50:52,178
And from that shoot,
I got a cover try for Vogue.
760
00:50:53,013 --> 00:50:56,140
We were never guaranteed covers.
761
00:50:56,141 --> 00:51:00,394
Back then... it was a "cover try."
762
00:51:00,395 --> 00:51:02,396
You would go in, and you would do a few,
763
00:51:02,397 --> 00:51:04,899
and then they would have a look
at them and say,
764
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:09,446
"Yes, this one's a go," or
"No, let's shoot more on someone else."
765
00:51:09,821 --> 00:51:12,281
And you wouldn't know until,
like, a month later
766
00:51:12,282 --> 00:51:14,325
if yours got selected or not.
767
00:51:14,326 --> 00:51:18,746
Like, that was my dream...
to be on a cover of Vogue.
768
00:51:18,747 --> 00:51:21,666
Any Vogue. Didn't care which Vogue.
Any Vogue.
769
00:51:25,503 --> 00:51:29,340
My first Vogue cover
was Italian Vogue.
770
00:51:29,341 --> 00:51:32,801
I remember loving the way
that I looked in the mirror,
771
00:51:32,802 --> 00:51:35,596
and I felt like such a princess
walking to the set.
772
00:51:35,597 --> 00:51:37,514
And you couldn't get
Italian Vogue everywhere,
773
00:51:37,515 --> 00:51:39,892
so, you know, when I went
back to my life at home,
774
00:51:39,893 --> 00:51:42,478
it took me a long time
before I got to see the magazine
775
00:51:42,479 --> 00:51:45,314
'cause it was something
that I couldn't really find.
776
00:51:45,315 --> 00:51:49,026
My second Vogue cover, I think,
was a bigger deal,
777
00:51:49,027 --> 00:51:52,572
in the sense that more people noticed it,
and that was for British Vogue.
778
00:51:54,032 --> 00:51:55,658
Looking at it now, I look so young,
779
00:51:55,659 --> 00:51:58,327
I can't even believe that I'm
on the cover of Vogue.
780
00:51:58,328 --> 00:52:01,747
I was probably 17 by then.
781
00:52:01,748 --> 00:52:04,083
Patrick Demarchelier shot it.
782
00:52:04,084 --> 00:52:07,127
Donna Karan had just launched
her new brand,
783
00:52:07,128 --> 00:52:13,175
and so it was a cover story
wearing her first collection.
784
00:52:13,176 --> 00:52:17,930
After we finished the shoot,
we took a portrait,
785
00:52:17,931 --> 00:52:21,141
and I had these extensions in my hair,
so it was this very long hair.
786
00:52:21,142 --> 00:52:23,811
And we did, like, a portrait kind of,
you know,
787
00:52:23,812 --> 00:52:27,690
where I was like this,
kind of the classic covering yourself.
788
00:52:27,691 --> 00:52:29,984
My arms went down a little bit lower,
a little bit lower.
789
00:52:29,985 --> 00:52:32,746
"Could you put your arms down
a little bit lower, a little bit lower?"
790
00:52:33,238 --> 00:52:35,990
And I remember being,
like, self-conscious,
791
00:52:35,991 --> 00:52:38,450
but I didn't feel necessarily bad.
792
00:52:38,451 --> 00:52:40,661
I felt... I felt good from that shoot.
793
00:52:40,662 --> 00:52:43,455
I felt pretty in that moment.
794
00:52:43,456 --> 00:52:45,833
Patrick didn't give me the creeps, per se,
795
00:52:45,834 --> 00:52:47,501
but I do remember being like,
796
00:52:47,502 --> 00:52:50,714
"My gosh! I'm not so supposed to be...
I shouldn't be doing this."
797
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,220
Eventually, that image came out
on the cover of Photo magazine,
798
00:52:58,221 --> 00:53:00,180
which is not like huge circulation
or anything like that,
799
00:53:00,181 --> 00:53:02,641
but it was like, "Gosh,"
800
00:53:02,642 --> 00:53:04,518
because I don't know
what I thought it was for,
801
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:06,999
but I definitely didn't think it was
for a cover of a magazine.
802
00:53:07,939 --> 00:53:12,318
I don't think if there was any, like,
age that you were supposed to be
803
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:13,944
in order to have a nude picture.
804
00:53:13,945 --> 00:53:17,115
Like, I don't think there was anybody
monitoring or regulating any of that.
805
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:23,579
I can't say that I was
so savvy the whole time,
806
00:53:23,580 --> 00:53:28,125
but I know my mom
would say much later that,
807
00:53:28,126 --> 00:53:30,920
"" you know,
"you were always gonna be fine.
808
00:53:30,921 --> 00:53:33,255
I knew you had your head
on your shoulders,
809
00:53:33,256 --> 00:53:35,132
and, you know, you were gonna be fine."
810
00:53:35,133 --> 00:53:39,386
But I don't know that there was
every guarantee that I was gonna be fine.
811
00:53:39,387 --> 00:53:42,890
It was just kind of, you know... "Go."
812
00:53:42,891 --> 00:53:44,643
"Good luck."
813
00:53:52,192 --> 00:53:56,278
Cindy Crawford is now the most
recognizable and marketable celebrity.
814
00:53:56,279 --> 00:53:58,948
A man would get a pat on the back
and say, like, "Job well done."
815
00:53:58,949 --> 00:54:02,577
"I won't get out of bed
for less than ten-thousand dollars a day."
816
00:54:03,286 --> 00:54:05,329
It's half the game, really.
817
00:54:06,706 --> 00:54:10,001
One day will come when it's over.
818
00:54:14,530 --> 00:54:16,530
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