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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,355 --> 00:00:13,489 It's like this family was cursed. 2 00:00:13,591 --> 00:00:16,626 I go outside, found him in the truck, dead. 3 00:00:16,728 --> 00:00:20,963 What he gets off on is being seen. 4 00:00:21,066 --> 00:00:25,234 Every night, I see a shadow coming down the hallway. 5 00:00:25,336 --> 00:00:27,837 I do hear pounding. 6 00:00:27,939 --> 00:00:31,107 There were some lynchings or murders. 7 00:00:31,209 --> 00:00:32,131 MATT: What is he trying to do? 8 00:00:32,231 --> 00:00:33,864 Kill them. 9 00:00:33,966 --> 00:00:37,601 They want to wreak havoc and chaos. 10 00:00:37,703 --> 00:00:39,736 There's a dark presence. 11 00:00:39,838 --> 00:00:42,205 My name is Amy Allan. 12 00:00:42,307 --> 00:00:44,207 These things, they're freaking out. 13 00:00:44,309 --> 00:00:45,375 They're from hell. 14 00:00:45,477 --> 00:00:46,676 I see dead people. 15 00:00:46,778 --> 00:00:48,011 They were being hunted. 16 00:00:48,113 --> 00:00:49,746 I speak to dead people. 17 00:00:49,848 --> 00:00:51,648 They were setting people on fire, 18 00:00:51,750 --> 00:00:52,749 burning them alive. 19 00:00:52,851 --> 00:00:53,884 And they speak to me. 20 00:00:53,986 --> 00:00:55,418 Her neck got broken. 21 00:00:55,521 --> 00:00:58,555 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 22 00:00:58,657 --> 00:01:00,557 I hear a gunshot. 23 00:01:00,659 --> 00:01:01,782 I rely on my partner. 24 00:01:01,882 --> 00:01:03,415 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 25 00:01:03,517 --> 00:01:05,250 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 26 00:01:05,352 --> 00:01:06,451 Something's not right here. 27 00:01:06,554 --> 00:01:09,788 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 28 00:01:09,890 --> 00:01:10,889 It's not safe here. 29 00:01:10,991 --> 00:01:12,357 It's my job to reveal them. 30 00:01:12,459 --> 00:01:14,159 Are any of them buried on the property? 31 00:01:14,261 --> 00:01:15,427 They're all buried here. 32 00:01:15,529 --> 00:01:17,262 But Steve and I never speak... 33 00:01:17,364 --> 00:01:19,298 We never communicate during an investigation. 34 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:20,766 Until the very end... 35 00:01:20,868 --> 00:01:22,134 I can't do it no more. 36 00:01:22,236 --> 00:01:24,102 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 37 00:01:24,205 --> 00:01:25,904 Holy [bleep] Look at this. 38 00:01:26,006 --> 00:01:27,172 Or time to get out. 39 00:01:27,274 --> 00:01:28,841 It does not have a happy ending. 40 00:01:28,943 --> 00:01:31,109 Something kills people here. 41 00:01:32,023 --> 00:01:36,374 - Sync and corrected by TheDelta - - www.addic7ed.com - 42 00:01:44,936 --> 00:01:46,202 I'm in Patricksburg, Indiana. 43 00:01:46,304 --> 00:01:49,661 It's a tiny, little town 70 miles southwest of Indianapolis. 44 00:01:51,064 --> 00:01:52,967 I got a call from a woman named Sonya. 45 00:01:53,067 --> 00:01:55,768 Now, she'd been in an abusive relationship 46 00:01:55,870 --> 00:01:57,937 and finally got the courage to grab her two daughters 47 00:01:58,039 --> 00:02:00,439 and get the hell out. 48 00:02:00,541 --> 00:02:01,807 Now here's where the problem is... 49 00:02:01,909 --> 00:02:04,310 She moved back into the house that she grew up in, 50 00:02:04,412 --> 00:02:06,479 and the abuse didn't stop. 51 00:02:06,581 --> 00:02:08,581 But this time, she's being attacked by something 52 00:02:08,683 --> 00:02:09,487 she can't even see. 53 00:02:10,958 --> 00:02:14,493 Things are so bad, she's living in an RV on the property 54 00:02:14,595 --> 00:02:15,961 just to avoid the house. 55 00:02:16,063 --> 00:02:17,662 This poor girl's been through a lot, 56 00:02:17,765 --> 00:02:20,165 and I really hope Amy and I can help her out. 57 00:02:24,104 --> 00:02:25,604 MATT: Before Amy arrives, 58 00:02:25,706 --> 00:02:29,808 I clear the house of any leading information, 59 00:02:29,910 --> 00:02:33,082 removing family photos and covering personal items. 60 00:02:33,182 --> 00:02:34,314 When I'm finished, 61 00:02:34,416 --> 00:02:36,617 the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 62 00:02:49,038 --> 00:02:50,470 AMY: Oh, boy. 63 00:02:50,573 --> 00:02:52,606 Uh, this isn't good. 64 00:02:52,708 --> 00:02:56,209 This probably isn't a good place to build anything. 65 00:02:56,312 --> 00:03:00,069 It's like the earth literally sucks the structures into it. 66 00:03:02,251 --> 00:03:05,152 It's almost like the earth devours them. 67 00:03:05,254 --> 00:03:08,322 There's a lot of mental illness there, 68 00:03:08,424 --> 00:03:13,013 and there's a lot of pain inflicted upon others. 69 00:03:19,868 --> 00:03:20,834 STEVE: Well, Sonya, I'm glad I'm here 70 00:03:20,936 --> 00:03:22,069 'cause you sounded really bad on the phone. 71 00:03:23,516 --> 00:03:25,449 So let me get this straight. You're living here? 72 00:03:25,551 --> 00:03:26,850 Yes. 73 00:03:26,953 --> 00:03:29,920 I'd rather live here in the RV in the front yard 74 00:03:30,022 --> 00:03:32,022 than I would in their house, any day. 75 00:03:32,124 --> 00:03:33,691 I'm scared of that house. 76 00:03:33,793 --> 00:03:36,193 Now, where's your parents' house in relation to where we are now? 77 00:03:36,295 --> 00:03:38,228 Up the hill, basically. 78 00:03:38,331 --> 00:03:40,497 Who's living where? 79 00:03:40,599 --> 00:03:42,800 This is all of us. 80 00:03:42,902 --> 00:03:44,568 This is my youngest daughter, Cassie. 81 00:03:44,670 --> 00:03:45,936 She's 13. 82 00:03:46,038 --> 00:03:47,071 This is myself. 83 00:03:47,173 --> 00:03:48,639 We live here. 84 00:03:48,741 --> 00:03:51,875 This is my mother, Pam, and my father, Ted. 85 00:03:51,978 --> 00:03:53,110 And they live in the house. 86 00:03:53,212 --> 00:03:54,712 And my oldest daughter, Ashlyn, 87 00:03:54,814 --> 00:03:56,907 refused to even be on the property. 88 00:03:57,413 --> 00:03:58,745 What are you hoping we can do for you? 89 00:03:58,848 --> 00:04:01,949 My parents are planning on finding a place down in Florida, 90 00:04:02,051 --> 00:04:03,684 and they've offered me the house, which... 91 00:04:03,786 --> 00:04:05,652 I would love to have Cassie there, 92 00:04:05,754 --> 00:04:10,157 but I won't because I don't want her childhood to be like mine. 93 00:04:10,259 --> 00:04:11,825 Okay. So let me get this straight. 94 00:04:11,927 --> 00:04:13,760 - You grew up in this house? - Yes. 95 00:04:13,863 --> 00:04:15,028 Was the house haunted then? 96 00:04:15,130 --> 00:04:16,864 Yes. 97 00:04:16,966 --> 00:04:18,632 I swore I'd never come back here. 98 00:04:18,734 --> 00:04:21,568 But you had to come back to escape an abusive relationship. 99 00:04:21,670 --> 00:04:22,703 Yes. 100 00:04:22,805 --> 00:04:25,739 It definitely took a lot to get away from. 101 00:04:25,841 --> 00:04:27,708 This was my only option. 102 00:04:27,810 --> 00:04:29,510 So this was like a safe haven for you. 103 00:04:29,612 --> 00:04:30,811 So I thought. 104 00:04:30,913 --> 00:04:32,246 If you can, just give me a rundown 105 00:04:32,348 --> 00:04:34,314 of what everybody's experiencing in the house. 106 00:04:34,416 --> 00:04:37,417 Voices, growling, 107 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,755 things moving, the fear of being watched. 108 00:04:41,857 --> 00:04:44,157 And there have been shadow people. 109 00:04:44,260 --> 00:04:46,994 There's been attacks, people being touched. 110 00:04:50,339 --> 00:04:51,438 I can only imagine 111 00:04:51,540 --> 00:04:53,407 how tough this must be for you to talk about. 112 00:04:53,509 --> 00:04:57,211 It's been a whirlwind of emotions and, you know, 113 00:04:57,313 --> 00:04:58,712 I worry about my daughters. 114 00:04:58,814 --> 00:05:01,849 You know, I've lived with this for... Well, I'm 35 years old. 115 00:05:01,951 --> 00:05:05,486 And since I was young, it's haunted me, you know. 116 00:05:05,588 --> 00:05:06,587 Why? Why me? 117 00:05:06,689 --> 00:05:10,357 Why? 118 00:05:10,459 --> 00:05:15,095 I'm seeing this man, and he's dressed in black. 119 00:05:15,197 --> 00:05:18,665 He is kind of wearing a cowboy outfit. 120 00:05:18,768 --> 00:05:22,236 He looks fairly young, I would say in his 30s. 121 00:05:22,338 --> 00:05:23,537 He's pretty tough. 122 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:26,373 And he's quiet, and he's just standing there. 123 00:05:29,178 --> 00:05:31,546 He likes to be seen. 124 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:38,098 He also likes this area a great deal. 125 00:05:39,246 --> 00:05:45,216 He is trying to experiment with moving things 126 00:05:45,319 --> 00:05:48,468 and actually really hardcore interact with the living. 127 00:05:49,775 --> 00:05:51,241 So, this is your backyard? 128 00:05:51,344 --> 00:05:52,977 Am I seeing what I think I'm seeing? 129 00:05:53,079 --> 00:05:54,111 Yes. 130 00:05:54,213 --> 00:05:55,913 This is a privately owned cemetery. 131 00:05:56,015 --> 00:05:57,748 As a child looking out my bedroom window, 132 00:05:57,850 --> 00:05:58,974 this is what I saw. 133 00:06:02,221 --> 00:06:04,154 STEVE: How do you feel now, being in here? 134 00:06:04,256 --> 00:06:06,357 - I'm on edge being in here. - Okay. 135 00:06:06,459 --> 00:06:07,558 So, what's going on? 136 00:06:07,660 --> 00:06:09,193 Well, we have a shadow 137 00:06:09,295 --> 00:06:12,730 that you actually see it every night go down this hallway. 138 00:06:12,832 --> 00:06:14,965 Okay. So describe what it looks like. 139 00:06:15,067 --> 00:06:17,568 - Just a black mist, really. - How big is it? 140 00:06:17,670 --> 00:06:18,936 How tall is it? 141 00:06:19,038 --> 00:06:20,974 I'd say about right here, about five feet. 142 00:06:25,077 --> 00:06:26,944 The guy in black... 143 00:06:27,046 --> 00:06:32,349 people would see him as a shadow person, without a doubt. 144 00:06:32,451 --> 00:06:35,052 He looks a lot shorter when he's in that form 145 00:06:35,154 --> 00:06:38,989 than what he really is 'cause he's probably about 5'10". 146 00:06:39,091 --> 00:06:40,994 But in the shadow-person form, 147 00:06:41,094 --> 00:06:46,431 he looks more, maybe, about five foot and wider. 148 00:06:46,533 --> 00:06:48,166 He wants a lot of attention. 149 00:06:48,268 --> 00:06:52,036 What he gets off on is being seen. 150 00:06:52,138 --> 00:06:53,341 Okay. So, anything else going on? 151 00:06:53,810 --> 00:06:55,710 Uncontrollable crying. 152 00:06:55,812 --> 00:06:57,411 Cannot figure out why. 153 00:06:57,513 --> 00:06:59,680 From the time I woke up to the time I went to bed, 154 00:06:59,782 --> 00:07:01,248 if I was in this house, I was sobbing. 155 00:07:01,351 --> 00:07:01,750 The whole day? 156 00:07:01,850 --> 00:07:05,018 Oh, the whole day, until I went to the RV. 157 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,753 And then, it just stopped. 158 00:07:06,855 --> 00:07:08,321 I'm not a psychologist, 159 00:07:08,423 --> 00:07:10,523 but you have bad memories here growing up. 160 00:07:10,625 --> 00:07:11,791 Yes. 161 00:07:11,893 --> 00:07:15,328 But it's not that kind of emotion, you know? 162 00:07:15,430 --> 00:07:19,799 It's not the feeling of losing someone. 163 00:07:19,901 --> 00:07:21,367 Okay. So, you've had that kind of heartbreak? 164 00:07:21,469 --> 00:07:22,668 Yeah. 165 00:07:22,771 --> 00:07:26,372 A couple years ago, my uncle had taken his own life. 166 00:07:26,474 --> 00:07:27,507 His name was Jeff. 167 00:07:27,609 --> 00:07:30,688 Actually... he's right here. 168 00:07:31,910 --> 00:07:33,516 He had lived here for a while. 169 00:07:33,616 --> 00:07:35,149 We were very, very close. 170 00:07:35,251 --> 00:07:37,451 Where did this happen? Not in this house. 171 00:07:37,553 --> 00:07:39,053 But he did spend a lot of time here. 172 00:07:39,155 --> 00:07:41,555 - We were real tight. - Yeah. 173 00:07:41,658 --> 00:07:42,556 How old was he when he passed? 174 00:07:42,659 --> 00:07:45,192 He would've been 45, I think, when he died. 175 00:07:45,295 --> 00:07:47,094 Oh. So he was a young man. What kind of guy was he? 176 00:07:47,196 --> 00:07:48,829 He just brought a smile to everybody's face. 177 00:07:48,931 --> 00:07:49,897 If somebody was in a bad mood, 178 00:07:49,999 --> 00:07:51,532 he'd be the one to get you out of it. 179 00:07:51,634 --> 00:07:55,036 Never, ever, ever thought he would do it, especially now, 180 00:07:55,138 --> 00:07:57,138 after he knew what we went through 181 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,740 with my first husband that took his own life, 182 00:07:59,842 --> 00:08:01,242 as well. 183 00:08:01,344 --> 00:08:02,910 He spent a lot of time here. 184 00:08:03,012 --> 00:08:06,080 And we got married and left and moved in with his mother. 185 00:08:06,182 --> 00:08:08,182 And then, next thing I know, 186 00:08:08,284 --> 00:08:11,485 I go outside and couldn't find him 187 00:08:11,587 --> 00:08:14,722 and found him in the truck, dead. 188 00:08:14,824 --> 00:08:18,059 That's Raymond. 189 00:08:18,161 --> 00:08:19,627 How did he do it, if you don't mind me asking? 190 00:08:19,729 --> 00:08:20,995 He shot himself in the head also. 191 00:08:21,097 --> 00:08:22,897 He died in '99. 192 00:08:22,999 --> 00:08:25,902 I hold a lot of guilt for both of them. 193 00:08:25,952 --> 00:08:26,884 [Scoffs] Listen. Listen to me. 194 00:08:26,987 --> 00:08:28,186 Listen to me good. Okay? 195 00:08:28,288 --> 00:08:29,921 I learned one thing in life. 196 00:08:30,023 --> 00:08:31,823 If somebody wants to do what your husband did, 197 00:08:31,925 --> 00:08:36,327 if they want to do that, nothing you do is gonna change it. 198 00:08:36,429 --> 00:08:38,262 These are tortured souls you're talking about here. 199 00:08:38,365 --> 00:08:40,365 I know. And I do know that. 200 00:08:40,467 --> 00:08:45,203 I do. I just can't tell my heart that. 201 00:08:45,305 --> 00:08:49,019 The cowboy guy... I do see him with a handgun. 202 00:08:50,453 --> 00:08:54,269 He was pretty intimidating when he was alive. 203 00:08:55,624 --> 00:09:00,491 He likes this space the most. 204 00:09:00,963 --> 00:09:04,178 There's a familiarity here with him. 205 00:09:06,902 --> 00:09:08,068 I don't trust this guy, 206 00:09:08,170 --> 00:09:11,538 and I think he's doing very bad things in here. 207 00:09:15,744 --> 00:09:17,044 STEVE: So, what's going on in here? 208 00:09:17,787 --> 00:09:21,202 I woke up one night to somebody pushing at the end of the bed. 209 00:09:21,302 --> 00:09:24,203 I looked up, and in between the wall and the bed 210 00:09:24,305 --> 00:09:27,873 was two hooded figures that had no face, no eyes. 211 00:09:27,975 --> 00:09:30,142 And there was one at the end of my bed 212 00:09:30,244 --> 00:09:31,910 and one on the other side of my bed. 213 00:09:32,012 --> 00:09:34,913 And I woke up screaming bloody murder. 214 00:09:35,015 --> 00:09:37,449 And that was when my mom got up out of bed, came in here. 215 00:09:37,551 --> 00:09:39,151 And I told her what had happened. 216 00:09:39,253 --> 00:09:41,753 And she immediately went into my brother's room 217 00:09:41,856 --> 00:09:44,256 and was like, "Okay, Chad. It's time to tell her." 218 00:09:44,358 --> 00:09:45,757 I'm like, "Tell me what?" 219 00:09:45,860 --> 00:09:48,193 You know, and that's when they began to tell me that, 220 00:09:48,295 --> 00:09:50,662 you know, they had had similar experiences. 221 00:09:50,764 --> 00:09:52,164 With the same type of sighting? 222 00:09:52,266 --> 00:09:53,332 Yes. 223 00:09:53,434 --> 00:09:54,666 Anything else? 224 00:09:54,768 --> 00:09:55,734 I had a dream one night. 225 00:09:55,836 --> 00:09:57,536 It was almost like the shadow people 226 00:09:57,638 --> 00:09:58,871 that we saw going down the hallway, 227 00:09:58,973 --> 00:10:02,007 but it was leaning over me, scratching my forehead. 228 00:10:02,109 --> 00:10:03,275 And the next morning, I got up, 229 00:10:03,377 --> 00:10:07,079 and I had a scratch on my head. 230 00:10:07,181 --> 00:10:09,548 Now, couldn't you have just scratched yourself? 231 00:10:09,650 --> 00:10:12,150 I don't believe so because of the way, you know, 232 00:10:12,253 --> 00:10:13,585 when I looked in the mirror, 233 00:10:13,687 --> 00:10:19,791 it was exactly how, in my dream, the shadow would have did it. 234 00:10:19,894 --> 00:10:25,297 In this room, I just see, like, this younger girl. 235 00:10:25,399 --> 00:10:27,833 There's something off about her. 236 00:10:27,935 --> 00:10:33,138 Somebody's summoned her up from her grave and, like, dug her up. 237 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,609 And, like, she didn't come back right. 238 00:10:37,711 --> 00:10:39,878 I see her standing at the end of the bed, 239 00:10:39,980 --> 00:10:41,547 and she's just staring. 240 00:10:41,649 --> 00:10:43,315 And it's really [bleep] creepy 241 00:10:43,417 --> 00:10:48,320 because standing behind her is this dark thing 242 00:10:48,422 --> 00:10:51,290 that has attached itself to this kid. 243 00:10:51,392 --> 00:10:53,992 The thing ultimately controls her and has, like, 244 00:10:54,094 --> 00:10:56,695 a connection to her. 245 00:10:56,797 --> 00:10:59,278 Do you have any idea what this thing that's controlling her is? 246 00:10:59,333 --> 00:11:02,434 I would say it's some kind of demonic force. 247 00:11:02,536 --> 00:11:05,004 Can you see it? What does it look like? 248 00:11:05,106 --> 00:11:08,256 This thing is very tall. 249 00:11:08,943 --> 00:11:11,043 Its hands are super weird-looking... 250 00:11:11,145 --> 00:11:16,082 long, really super little hands but long fingers. 251 00:11:16,184 --> 00:11:18,484 And do you have any idea what it's trying to do? 252 00:11:18,586 --> 00:11:19,986 I think that it's trying 253 00:11:20,088 --> 00:11:22,521 to attach itself to somebody in this room. 254 00:11:22,624 --> 00:11:26,425 What demons want... they want to wreak havoc and chaos. 255 00:11:26,527 --> 00:11:28,895 Would you say that this person is in danger? 256 00:11:28,997 --> 00:11:30,696 Yes, I would. 257 00:11:50,730 --> 00:11:53,831 So Sonya said she had a hell of a time growing up here. 258 00:11:53,931 --> 00:11:58,667 I did not know that it marked her for life like it has. 259 00:11:58,769 --> 00:12:01,503 Now, Sonya's at the point where she won't even stay in the house. 260 00:12:01,605 --> 00:12:02,938 She's staying in the RV. 261 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,340 Yeah. It broke my heart. 262 00:12:05,442 --> 00:12:08,610 She's got a bedroom in there that's still her room. 263 00:12:08,712 --> 00:12:10,078 I mean, we still call it her room. 264 00:12:10,180 --> 00:12:12,781 It's still decorated, like, for her. 265 00:12:12,883 --> 00:12:14,449 Have you experienced anything? 266 00:12:14,552 --> 00:12:19,187 The very first night we ever stayed in this house, 267 00:12:19,290 --> 00:12:22,591 I woke up with a girl standing beside my bed, 268 00:12:22,693 --> 00:12:25,093 I mean, just, like, right here. 269 00:12:25,195 --> 00:12:26,929 Like, she's just looking down at my face. 270 00:12:27,031 --> 00:12:28,564 Have you seen anything else like that? 271 00:12:28,666 --> 00:12:29,932 Just... every night, 272 00:12:30,034 --> 00:12:31,936 I see a shadow coming down the hallway. 273 00:12:32,036 --> 00:12:34,570 And it looks like it goes out the front door. 274 00:12:34,672 --> 00:12:36,338 Your daughter explained the same thing to me. 275 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,574 And we both have seen it at the same time. 276 00:12:38,676 --> 00:12:41,043 So, it's not been easy here for you, either? 277 00:12:41,145 --> 00:12:42,278 No. 278 00:12:42,380 --> 00:12:43,946 It's that back hallway. 279 00:12:44,048 --> 00:12:46,949 If anything in this house spooks me, it's the back hallway. 280 00:12:47,051 --> 00:12:49,351 And why does that spook you? 281 00:12:49,453 --> 00:12:51,553 Well, number one, that's where I heard the voice. 282 00:12:51,656 --> 00:12:53,022 What voice? 283 00:12:53,124 --> 00:12:54,456 I was in the bathroom one day, 284 00:12:54,558 --> 00:13:02,584 and just this most evil, growly voice was like, "Stop it." 285 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:04,833 Just as low. 286 00:13:04,935 --> 00:13:09,634 And I was petrified that day. 287 00:13:13,244 --> 00:13:16,078 AMY: There's also another male here. 288 00:13:16,181 --> 00:13:18,609 And I see, like, an older male. 289 00:13:20,251 --> 00:13:21,951 He's a big problem. 290 00:13:22,053 --> 00:13:25,521 He yells a lot, very threatening. 291 00:13:25,623 --> 00:13:29,317 I do hear pounding on the walls, 292 00:13:30,428 --> 00:13:33,692 especially in, like, in this area. 293 00:13:34,032 --> 00:13:36,833 He's related to somebody in the household. 294 00:13:36,935 --> 00:13:40,970 And he's somebody's grandfather or great-grandfather. 295 00:13:41,072 --> 00:13:47,877 There's something in the family that's really bad. 296 00:13:47,979 --> 00:13:50,393 Two people, at some point, in this family, got married. 297 00:13:50,493 --> 00:13:54,929 They shouldn't have. It was bad, very wrong and bad. 298 00:13:55,031 --> 00:13:59,033 And from that point on, it's like this... 299 00:13:59,135 --> 00:14:04,639 this line, this family, was cursed by their own. 300 00:14:04,741 --> 00:14:09,577 I don't think I've ever... seen this before. 301 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,113 I don't think he wants to show me 302 00:14:12,215 --> 00:14:13,714 who he's related to 303 00:14:13,816 --> 00:14:17,618 because that's the person he's trying to destroy. 304 00:14:22,394 --> 00:14:23,881 So, Chad, I was talking to Sonya. 305 00:14:23,981 --> 00:14:25,198 Now, she told me about the experiences 306 00:14:25,298 --> 00:14:27,298 and how this house really scarred her for life. 307 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,200 Now, she had mentioned you'd moved out of here 308 00:14:29,302 --> 00:14:30,735 pretty quick when you were young. 309 00:14:30,837 --> 00:14:32,579 Oh, as soon as I was 18, I was gone. 310 00:14:32,679 --> 00:14:33,569 Why, though? 311 00:14:33,669 --> 00:14:36,436 Most of it was because of the things that had happened here. 312 00:14:36,538 --> 00:14:37,871 Okay. So tell me about some of them. 313 00:14:37,973 --> 00:14:41,274 One particular night, when I was probably 8 or 9 years old, 314 00:14:41,376 --> 00:14:46,413 standing around my bed, I counted six hooded figures. 315 00:14:46,515 --> 00:14:47,981 I had three on one side of my bed, 316 00:14:48,083 --> 00:14:49,816 three on the other side. 317 00:14:49,918 --> 00:14:51,585 So, you saw the same exact thing 318 00:14:51,687 --> 00:14:53,420 that Sonya was telling me about? 319 00:14:53,522 --> 00:14:54,721 Yeah. 320 00:14:54,823 --> 00:14:56,890 I'm 37 now, and I close my eyes and I can still see them. 321 00:14:56,992 --> 00:14:59,125 - Okay. Anything else? - Yeah. 322 00:14:59,227 --> 00:15:02,829 Around the same time that I seen that, 323 00:15:02,931 --> 00:15:06,800 I was laying in bed and woke up to feeling pressure on my chest. 324 00:15:06,902 --> 00:15:09,235 And it felt like they were underneath my bed 325 00:15:09,338 --> 00:15:12,806 and were pulling the sheet tight down so... 326 00:15:12,908 --> 00:15:15,375 pinning me to my bed where I could not move at all. 327 00:15:15,477 --> 00:15:16,710 I went to scream out, 328 00:15:16,812 --> 00:15:19,312 and I couldn't get any words to come out. 329 00:15:19,414 --> 00:15:21,147 It took all the air out of my chest. 330 00:15:21,249 --> 00:15:25,218 I just told myself that I shouldn't look underneath there. 331 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:26,430 I may not like what I see. 332 00:15:31,026 --> 00:15:34,761 I see that the grandfather guy 333 00:15:34,863 --> 00:15:38,732 is attacking somebody in this room 334 00:15:38,834 --> 00:15:40,932 and is pushing down on their heart. 335 00:15:42,963 --> 00:15:45,730 It might feel more like their throat or chest pressure, 336 00:15:45,833 --> 00:15:48,100 but he's actually inside their chest. 337 00:15:48,202 --> 00:15:52,404 He's trying to figure out how to make the heart stop. 338 00:15:52,506 --> 00:15:55,507 He can't... grab it. 339 00:15:55,609 --> 00:15:59,189 He can put pressure on it, but he can't squeeze it. 340 00:15:59,291 --> 00:16:01,082 And what is he trying to do? 341 00:16:01,184 --> 00:16:02,683 Kill them. 342 00:16:18,129 --> 00:16:19,877 STEVE: First thing I do when I get to a location 343 00:16:19,977 --> 00:16:21,177 is pull the property deed. 344 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:23,045 Turns out one of the original owners 345 00:16:23,147 --> 00:16:25,514 was on the land for 65 years. 346 00:16:25,616 --> 00:16:27,583 I had a local historian check them out, 347 00:16:27,685 --> 00:16:29,885 and she just called back saying these people have a story 348 00:16:29,987 --> 00:16:33,355 I'm definitely gonna want to know about. 349 00:16:40,644 --> 00:16:42,544 STEVE: So, Glenda, what were you able to find out 350 00:16:42,646 --> 00:16:44,724 about the original owners of my client's property? 351 00:16:44,882 --> 00:16:47,917 Stephen Macgerlein came from Germany to Owen County 352 00:16:48,019 --> 00:16:49,518 in the later 1830s. 353 00:16:49,620 --> 00:16:50,986 He married, 354 00:16:51,088 --> 00:16:54,523 and he and his wife had, over the years, 12 children. 355 00:16:54,625 --> 00:16:55,925 Okay. 356 00:16:56,027 --> 00:17:00,296 They bought the property in 1864 and used it as a coal mine. 357 00:17:00,398 --> 00:17:02,565 Did he mine coal right on my client's property? 358 00:17:02,667 --> 00:17:04,133 That's my understanding. 359 00:17:04,235 --> 00:17:05,434 Okay. That's interesting. 360 00:17:05,536 --> 00:17:06,836 You mentioned on the phone 361 00:17:06,938 --> 00:17:09,596 that this family had a story I'm gonna want to hear for my case. 362 00:17:09,696 --> 00:17:10,729 What was that? 363 00:17:10,831 --> 00:17:13,198 Well, they had a number of deaths 364 00:17:13,300 --> 00:17:17,168 in the course of the time that they lived in Patricksburg. 365 00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:22,007 In 1872, a 2-year-old son died in an accident at the mill 366 00:17:22,109 --> 00:17:24,042 less than a 1/2 a mile down the road. 367 00:17:24,144 --> 00:17:25,710 - His name was Frederick. - Okay. 368 00:17:25,812 --> 00:17:29,447 In 1888, his 13-year-old daughter, 369 00:17:29,549 --> 00:17:32,217 Hermione, died of typhoid fever. 370 00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:34,019 I'm afraid to even ask what else. 371 00:17:34,121 --> 00:17:37,188 In 1901, his 35-year-old daughter, 372 00:17:37,290 --> 00:17:39,557 Molly, died of consumption. 373 00:17:39,660 --> 00:17:42,093 The next year, in 1902, 374 00:17:42,195 --> 00:17:47,165 his wife died at the age of 61 of peritonitis, 375 00:17:47,267 --> 00:17:50,101 intestinal problems, also. 376 00:17:50,203 --> 00:17:51,437 - Pretty tragic. - Mm-hmm. 377 00:17:51,537 --> 00:17:53,003 So, what happened to him, Stephen? 378 00:17:53,106 --> 00:17:58,342 He died in 1915 at home of dropsy. 379 00:17:58,444 --> 00:18:00,211 - That's a heart condition. - Okay. 380 00:18:00,313 --> 00:18:03,481 I brought you an obituary I thought you'd like to see... 381 00:18:03,583 --> 00:18:05,177 "The Death of a Prominent Man." 382 00:18:06,086 --> 00:18:07,652 So he's 81 when he dies. 383 00:18:07,754 --> 00:18:09,187 - Mm-hmm. - He died on the property. 384 00:18:09,289 --> 00:18:11,089 Yes. And, Glenda, let me ask you a question. 385 00:18:11,191 --> 00:18:13,667 There's a couple cemeteries literally right next door to the property. 386 00:18:13,767 --> 00:18:15,389 - Right. - Is he buried there? 387 00:18:15,489 --> 00:18:17,289 - Yes. - Okay. 388 00:18:17,391 --> 00:18:20,192 The whole family is buried in that cemetery. 389 00:18:22,263 --> 00:18:26,932 Hmm. 390 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,819 There's something about two children that died. 391 00:18:33,553 --> 00:18:35,287 There's two children graves. 392 00:18:37,003 --> 00:18:39,850 I think one of them belongs to the girl I saw in the bedroom. 393 00:18:39,950 --> 00:18:41,316 MATT: How old? 394 00:18:41,419 --> 00:18:45,020 Like 11 to 14 years of age, maybe. 395 00:18:45,122 --> 00:18:47,189 I'm not sure about the other one. 396 00:18:47,291 --> 00:18:50,859 I think it was a littler kid... 397 00:18:50,961 --> 00:18:54,830 which I think is a boy. 398 00:18:54,932 --> 00:18:58,267 The girl... I see her with blond hair. 399 00:18:58,369 --> 00:19:02,375 And I feel like she was sick, that she died from an illness. 400 00:19:02,740 --> 00:19:06,309 More than likely, she died here, on this land, 401 00:19:06,411 --> 00:19:10,246 and that's what makes her close by. 402 00:19:10,348 --> 00:19:14,317 There's something weird with her... her soul. 403 00:19:14,419 --> 00:19:16,990 And that's why she's out of her grave. 404 00:19:17,989 --> 00:19:18,926 Very strange. 405 00:19:20,591 --> 00:19:22,158 STEVE: When Glenda mentioned the Macgerleins 406 00:19:22,260 --> 00:19:23,547 operated a coal mine on the property, 407 00:19:23,647 --> 00:19:25,013 my ears perked up. 408 00:19:25,115 --> 00:19:28,240 Every time I've looked into one, I found some terrible accident. 409 00:19:28,518 --> 00:19:31,303 I'm on my way back to the house to meet a coal-mining expert 410 00:19:31,421 --> 00:19:32,553 who says two people 411 00:19:32,656 --> 00:19:34,822 died horrible deaths right on Pam's property. 412 00:19:41,314 --> 00:19:42,713 I understand that there was coal mining done 413 00:19:42,815 --> 00:19:43,981 right here on this property. 414 00:19:44,083 --> 00:19:45,983 That's correct. That was very common. 415 00:19:46,085 --> 00:19:47,484 People would have small mines 416 00:19:47,587 --> 00:19:49,987 that they would operate on their own property. 417 00:19:50,089 --> 00:19:52,623 Do you have any idea where they would have did the mining 418 00:19:52,725 --> 00:19:54,124 - on the property here? - Right here. 419 00:19:54,226 --> 00:19:56,966 They opened this up, dug down to the coal. 420 00:19:57,066 --> 00:19:59,466 And they just left it open, and it filled up with rainwater. 421 00:19:59,568 --> 00:20:00,868 Oh. See, I... Just looking at it, 422 00:20:00,970 --> 00:20:02,236 I would have never known this was a mine. 423 00:20:02,338 --> 00:20:05,439 It totally changed the landscape of this part of the country. 424 00:20:05,541 --> 00:20:07,908 I know it was a dangerous job. 425 00:20:08,010 --> 00:20:09,109 It was very hazardous, 426 00:20:09,211 --> 00:20:11,111 particularly the underground mines. 427 00:20:11,213 --> 00:20:14,181 We have a picture right here. Wow. 428 00:20:14,283 --> 00:20:16,283 These look like terrible working conditions. 429 00:20:16,385 --> 00:20:18,152 There were numerous people killed 430 00:20:18,254 --> 00:20:20,387 and seriously injured literally every day. 431 00:20:20,489 --> 00:20:23,390 You mentioned two people died on the property here in the mines. 432 00:20:23,492 --> 00:20:26,360 What happened with that? The first one happened in 1894. 433 00:20:26,462 --> 00:20:28,462 The victim's name was Aaron Wark, 434 00:20:28,564 --> 00:20:30,731 and he was taking a break in the coal mine, 435 00:20:30,833 --> 00:20:33,167 and the roof caved in on him. 436 00:20:33,269 --> 00:20:35,936 He lingered for two days from his injuries 437 00:20:36,038 --> 00:20:37,504 and then finally passed away. 438 00:20:37,606 --> 00:20:38,906 He was 32 years old, 439 00:20:39,008 --> 00:20:41,241 and he left a wife and three small children. 440 00:20:41,344 --> 00:20:42,964 Okay. So, what was the second death? 441 00:20:43,032 --> 00:20:44,498 Ralph Wright. 442 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,234 He was killed in 1934. 443 00:20:47,336 --> 00:20:48,769 He just got careless. 444 00:20:48,871 --> 00:20:52,839 He was pushing a cart along and made a mistake 445 00:20:52,942 --> 00:20:56,944 and fell 90 feet down an open shaft, 446 00:20:57,046 --> 00:21:00,480 broke his neck, fractured his skull, very tragic. 447 00:21:00,582 --> 00:21:02,349 I know what that looks like. I've seen it. 448 00:21:02,451 --> 00:21:03,617 It's not a pretty sight. 449 00:21:07,123 --> 00:21:09,972 AMY: It's quite a big circle of land 450 00:21:10,072 --> 00:21:13,840 that surrounds this particular location, 451 00:21:13,942 --> 00:21:17,444 and it has something to do with what's going on here. 452 00:21:17,546 --> 00:21:24,462 And it did seem like the earth was bad for a long time, 453 00:21:24,562 --> 00:21:26,529 like things couldn't grow. 454 00:21:26,631 --> 00:21:30,511 It's like the earth literally sucks the structures into it 455 00:21:30,635 --> 00:21:32,868 and somehow destroys them. 456 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,207 And I really think that there's this subtle poisoning 457 00:21:38,309 --> 00:21:39,975 going on. 458 00:21:40,077 --> 00:21:41,644 Nothing should be built here 459 00:21:41,746 --> 00:21:45,609 because they do eventually take it down. 460 00:21:51,556 --> 00:21:52,922 If you need us to investigate 461 00:21:53,024 --> 00:21:54,790 unexplained activity in your home, 462 00:21:54,892 --> 00:21:57,893 go to the "Dead Files" page at travelchannel.com. 463 00:21:57,995 --> 00:21:59,595 Click on "Help Me, Dead Files!" to submit your story, 464 00:21:59,697 --> 00:22:00,663 and we'll help if we can. 465 00:22:08,176 --> 00:22:10,921 STEVE: So far, I've got clients being physically assaulted 466 00:22:11,021 --> 00:22:14,423 on a property that's seen more than a half a dozen deaths. 467 00:22:14,525 --> 00:22:15,746 But I need to see if there's anything else 468 00:22:15,846 --> 00:22:16,912 that could help my case. 469 00:22:18,301 --> 00:22:21,035 Searching through city records, I find a crime 470 00:22:21,137 --> 00:22:23,458 involving a vigilante group called the White Caps. 471 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,506 Turns out, they nearly beat a man to death 472 00:22:25,608 --> 00:22:28,924 right next to my client's property. 473 00:22:29,245 --> 00:22:31,579 I'm on my way to meet with a local researcher 474 00:22:31,681 --> 00:22:34,415 who says this gang terrorized the entire region. 475 00:22:41,888 --> 00:22:44,458 This article I came across showed that a guy 476 00:22:44,561 --> 00:22:48,229 got beaten up on or right near my client's property 477 00:22:48,331 --> 00:22:50,298 by a group of guys called White Cappers. 478 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,500 I've never even heard of them. What the hell is that? 479 00:22:52,602 --> 00:22:55,303 White Caps existed as secret societies 480 00:22:55,405 --> 00:23:01,809 in mainly Southern Indiana in local, rural areas 481 00:23:01,911 --> 00:23:04,011 that passed out vigilante justice 482 00:23:04,113 --> 00:23:08,082 from around 1850 through the early 1900s. 483 00:23:08,184 --> 00:23:10,084 Were these guys like the KKK? 484 00:23:10,186 --> 00:23:13,788 They weren't racially motivated, but there were similarities. 485 00:23:13,890 --> 00:23:16,090 The articles indicated they wore robes... 486 00:23:16,192 --> 00:23:17,992 sometimes white, sometimes dark. 487 00:23:18,094 --> 00:23:18,993 Okay. 488 00:23:19,095 --> 00:23:20,728 But they felt that they had the right 489 00:23:20,830 --> 00:23:23,831 to enforce the moral code of their community. 490 00:23:23,933 --> 00:23:25,637 What kind of people would they target? 491 00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:28,703 Drunks, adulterers, prostitutes, 492 00:23:28,805 --> 00:23:34,684 unwed mothers, petty thievery, or not attending church. 493 00:23:36,713 --> 00:23:39,114 AMY: There are, like, a group of men, 494 00:23:39,216 --> 00:23:41,550 and they're all linked arm in arm. 495 00:23:41,652 --> 00:23:44,886 There is maybe 10 of them. 496 00:23:44,988 --> 00:23:51,059 These things are pretty powerful, very aggressive. 497 00:23:54,152 --> 00:23:57,994 As far as them directly interacting with the living, 498 00:23:58,094 --> 00:24:01,595 I think that they would feel a sense 499 00:24:01,697 --> 00:24:07,201 of absolutely being watched and feeling stalked 500 00:24:07,303 --> 00:24:12,206 and feeling extreme fear, like you're being hunted. 501 00:24:12,308 --> 00:24:15,476 And they want that to be their message. 502 00:24:17,380 --> 00:24:17,657 Okay. 503 00:24:17,718 --> 00:24:19,206 So now that I know who White Cappers are, 504 00:24:19,306 --> 00:24:20,505 what do you know about the beating 505 00:24:20,608 --> 00:24:22,841 that this guy got near my client's property? 506 00:24:22,943 --> 00:24:26,745 One evening... February 14, 1890... 507 00:24:26,847 --> 00:24:30,716 there was a man by the name of Fleming Bremmer 508 00:24:30,818 --> 00:24:34,853 who was coming home, going through Patricksburg. 509 00:24:34,955 --> 00:24:38,123 A group of men in dark robes grabbed him, 510 00:24:38,225 --> 00:24:41,293 took him through an orchard, tied him to a tree, 511 00:24:41,395 --> 00:24:43,629 and pulled the branches off the trees 512 00:24:43,731 --> 00:24:46,265 and whipped him till he was a bloody mess... 513 00:24:46,367 --> 00:24:49,034 - Okay... - and left him there unconscious. 514 00:24:49,136 --> 00:24:50,902 And he didn't wake up till morning. 515 00:24:51,005 --> 00:24:52,437 Well, it's lucky this guy didn't freeze to death, 516 00:24:52,539 --> 00:24:53,739 let alone from the beating. 517 00:24:53,841 --> 00:24:55,741 Do we know what the White Cappers went after him? 518 00:24:55,843 --> 00:25:00,045 He had been warned that he had been abusive to his mother. 519 00:25:00,147 --> 00:25:03,949 And so that was what led to this incident. 520 00:25:04,051 --> 00:25:05,584 Okay. So, was anybody charged? 521 00:25:05,686 --> 00:25:06,752 No. 522 00:25:06,854 --> 00:25:08,086 Today, they would never get away with it. 523 00:25:08,188 --> 00:25:11,657 In the hills of Southern Indiana during the late 1800s... 524 00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:12,658 Right. 525 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,826 There wasn't always the sheriffs 526 00:25:14,928 --> 00:25:18,279 and the police and the courts. 527 00:25:20,234 --> 00:25:22,501 I don't think they want anybody here. 528 00:25:22,603 --> 00:25:26,592 And there's also no denying the feeling that they invoke, 529 00:25:26,692 --> 00:25:30,111 which is that you're being hunted. 530 00:25:32,798 --> 00:25:37,133 They've gone to where this is a sport for them. 531 00:25:37,235 --> 00:25:40,063 This is, like, wicked bad. 532 00:25:47,381 --> 00:25:49,506 During my walk, I saw several dead people, 533 00:25:49,606 --> 00:25:50,772 but two stood out the most. 534 00:25:51,796 --> 00:25:53,663 First, the cowboy. 535 00:25:53,765 --> 00:25:58,201 He was probably in his mid-to late-30s, very thin. 536 00:25:58,303 --> 00:26:01,204 He had a black cowboy hat on, 537 00:26:01,306 --> 00:26:06,376 and he had a very thick mustache. 538 00:26:06,478 --> 00:26:07,377 Okay. 539 00:26:07,479 --> 00:26:08,778 Next, I described a demon 540 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,148 who was using a dead little girl to torment a living person. 541 00:26:12,250 --> 00:26:14,317 She was dressed like a doll. 542 00:26:14,419 --> 00:26:19,756 Behind her, which was this tall, dark thing, 543 00:26:19,858 --> 00:26:22,125 and it had its hands on her shoulders 544 00:26:22,227 --> 00:26:25,528 and its fingers went like halfway down her body. 545 00:26:25,630 --> 00:26:28,513 So it's, like, controlling her. 546 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,667 Is this what you saw? 547 00:26:31,770 --> 00:26:34,037 Yes. That's what I saw. 548 00:26:53,171 --> 00:26:55,906 STEVE: Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 549 00:26:56,006 --> 00:26:57,539 we're ready to reveal our findings 550 00:26:57,641 --> 00:26:59,908 to each other and our clients for the first time. 551 00:27:01,025 --> 00:27:02,410 Amy, I'd like you to meet Sonya. 552 00:27:03,715 --> 00:27:06,285 She grew up in the house right across from the barn here, 553 00:27:06,385 --> 00:27:10,387 and she was tortured by the activity growing up. 554 00:27:10,489 --> 00:27:11,721 Now, a few months ago, 555 00:27:11,824 --> 00:27:15,225 she was able to get out of a very bad, abusive relationship 556 00:27:15,327 --> 00:27:17,894 and had to move back here with one of her daughters. 557 00:27:17,996 --> 00:27:20,530 Now, here's how it's working out for her. 558 00:27:20,632 --> 00:27:22,466 She's so afraid of the house 559 00:27:22,568 --> 00:27:26,636 that she's living in this RV that's in the front lawn. 560 00:27:26,738 --> 00:27:28,271 So that's why we're doing the reveal here 561 00:27:28,373 --> 00:27:30,607 'cause she doesn't want to be in that house. 562 00:27:30,709 --> 00:27:33,176 This is Pam. This is Sonya's mom. 563 00:27:33,278 --> 00:27:35,278 And this is Chad, her brother. 564 00:27:35,380 --> 00:27:37,614 Here's where the twist comes in. 565 00:27:37,716 --> 00:27:40,817 Pam is getting ready to retire and move out 566 00:27:40,919 --> 00:27:42,652 and wants to give the house to the kids, 567 00:27:42,754 --> 00:27:45,188 but they don't think it's safe. 568 00:27:45,290 --> 00:27:47,991 So with that, I'm gonna have Amy tell us about her walk 569 00:27:48,093 --> 00:27:49,934 and how things went. 570 00:27:52,931 --> 00:27:56,333 AMY: When I first got here, I saw a group of men. 571 00:27:56,435 --> 00:27:58,602 There were about 10 of them. 572 00:27:58,704 --> 00:28:02,672 And they roam around the entire property. 573 00:28:02,774 --> 00:28:06,185 The living would experience them in various ways. 574 00:28:06,278 --> 00:28:09,480 These guys make you feel like you're being watched 575 00:28:09,582 --> 00:28:12,749 and, specifically, hunted. 576 00:28:12,852 --> 00:28:15,219 It's like that's what I kept feeling like. 577 00:28:15,321 --> 00:28:18,388 I was being hunted like an animal. 578 00:28:18,491 --> 00:28:21,191 I felt like being watched real bad... 579 00:28:21,293 --> 00:28:23,127 Yeah... just, like, with pure hate, 580 00:28:23,229 --> 00:28:25,462 and just so bad that you had to move. 581 00:28:25,564 --> 00:28:28,031 You couldn't just stand there. You had to go. 582 00:28:28,134 --> 00:28:30,601 I'll be sitting in the living room, watching TV, 583 00:28:30,703 --> 00:28:35,339 and it's just like I know they're watching me. 584 00:28:35,441 --> 00:28:39,209 The creepy thing about them is that they do not want anybody 585 00:28:39,311 --> 00:28:41,311 on this land. 586 00:28:41,413 --> 00:28:41,891 STEVE: All right. The only thing I can think of... 587 00:28:41,991 --> 00:28:43,891 It's a long shot, but there was something 588 00:28:43,993 --> 00:28:46,660 I came across in my research that I thought was interesting. 589 00:28:47,463 --> 00:28:49,196 Apparently, back in the late 1800s, 590 00:28:49,298 --> 00:28:52,466 there was a gang of moral vigilantes called White Cappers. 591 00:28:52,568 --> 00:28:55,436 Now, they performed violence against anybody 592 00:28:55,538 --> 00:28:57,371 that they thought were acting amorally... 593 00:28:57,473 --> 00:29:00,441 unwed mothers, hobos, drunks. 594 00:29:00,543 --> 00:29:02,309 They beat women. They beat men. 595 00:29:02,411 --> 00:29:03,611 Didn't matter who it was. 596 00:29:03,713 --> 00:29:05,613 They'd only attack at night, 597 00:29:05,715 --> 00:29:09,350 and when they would do attacks, they'd wear robes and wear... 598 00:29:09,452 --> 00:29:12,019 Oh, no. 599 00:29:12,121 --> 00:29:13,120 Either white or black hoods. 600 00:29:13,222 --> 00:29:14,488 Oh. 601 00:29:14,590 --> 00:29:17,291 One of the victims was beaten right on the property. 602 00:29:17,393 --> 00:29:18,392 Oh, my God. 603 00:29:18,494 --> 00:29:21,028 His name was Fleming Bremmer. 604 00:29:21,130 --> 00:29:24,231 He was a white male who was 51 years old. 605 00:29:24,333 --> 00:29:26,967 Apparently, he was abusive to his mother. 606 00:29:27,069 --> 00:29:30,404 Now, you guys had a big reaction when I mentioned the robes. 607 00:29:30,506 --> 00:29:31,538 Tell Amy why. 608 00:29:31,641 --> 00:29:33,707 When I was probably about 8 years old or so, 609 00:29:33,809 --> 00:29:36,243 and I had six... 610 00:29:36,345 --> 00:29:39,647 three up against the wall, three on the side of the bed. 611 00:29:39,749 --> 00:29:42,516 They had no faces, had their arms folded. 612 00:29:42,618 --> 00:29:43,617 I woke up the next morning 613 00:29:43,719 --> 00:29:45,252 and told my mom what had happened, 614 00:29:45,354 --> 00:29:47,054 and that's when she sat me down that morning 615 00:29:47,156 --> 00:29:50,591 and told me that she had had that same thing happen to her. 616 00:29:50,693 --> 00:29:52,059 I woke up in the middle of the night, 617 00:29:52,161 --> 00:29:55,062 and there was four hooded figures around my bed. 618 00:29:55,164 --> 00:29:58,432 And I screamed until Mom got up and came in. 619 00:29:58,534 --> 00:30:01,138 Okay. Well, that makes a lot of sense. 620 00:30:02,739 --> 00:30:04,405 STEVE: What else did you see? 621 00:30:04,507 --> 00:30:05,806 When I walked into the house, 622 00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:11,078 I came across a couple of dead people that concerned me. 623 00:30:11,181 --> 00:30:13,047 One of them is an older male. 624 00:30:13,149 --> 00:30:15,082 He's extremely active in the house, 625 00:30:15,185 --> 00:30:17,818 and he's a big problem here. 626 00:30:17,921 --> 00:30:20,922 He affects the living in a lot of ways. 627 00:30:21,024 --> 00:30:22,390 He does yell a lot, 628 00:30:22,492 --> 00:30:26,494 so people might hear a voice, humming, or buzzing sound. 629 00:30:26,596 --> 00:30:28,696 He pounds on the walls. 630 00:30:28,798 --> 00:30:29,997 I got very concerned, though, 631 00:30:30,099 --> 00:30:33,167 when I walked into the first bedroom down the hall. 632 00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:34,936 That's Chad's room. 633 00:30:35,038 --> 00:30:38,673 His sights were set on whoever was in there. 634 00:30:38,775 --> 00:30:40,875 I saw him on the bed, sitting over this person, 635 00:30:40,977 --> 00:30:43,732 literally reaching into their chest, 636 00:30:44,237 --> 00:30:46,771 touching their heart and trying to squeeze the heart, 637 00:30:46,873 --> 00:30:48,973 trying to give the person a heart attack. 638 00:30:49,075 --> 00:30:50,941 That would be me. 639 00:30:52,152 --> 00:30:54,753 I felt like someone was underneath my bed, 640 00:30:54,855 --> 00:30:57,122 pulling the sheet down tight around me... 641 00:30:57,224 --> 00:31:00,225 Mm-hmm... compressing my chest 642 00:31:00,327 --> 00:31:02,261 to the point where I I could not move. 643 00:31:02,363 --> 00:31:04,263 I couldn't breathe. 644 00:31:04,365 --> 00:31:06,732 I think there's a family connection 645 00:31:06,834 --> 00:31:08,233 between him and the living here. 646 00:31:08,335 --> 00:31:09,735 I got that he was somebody's grandfather 647 00:31:09,837 --> 00:31:11,670 or great-grandfather. 648 00:31:11,772 --> 00:31:14,773 Somewhere, a very long time ago, 649 00:31:14,875 --> 00:31:17,142 there was a marriage that occurred in the family 650 00:31:17,244 --> 00:31:19,745 that was not deemed appropriate. 651 00:31:19,847 --> 00:31:22,714 And ever since that marriage took place, 652 00:31:22,816 --> 00:31:25,250 there's, like, a family curse. 653 00:31:25,352 --> 00:31:28,654 Whoever shows the dominant traits of the individual 654 00:31:28,756 --> 00:31:31,890 that was deemed inappropriate for the marriage, 655 00:31:31,992 --> 00:31:33,443 they are the ones who are targeted. 656 00:31:34,821 --> 00:31:35,987 I wouldn't be surprised, 657 00:31:36,089 --> 00:31:39,190 if you take a look back at your mother's line, 658 00:31:39,292 --> 00:31:43,061 and see how they met their demise, some of them. 659 00:31:43,163 --> 00:31:46,864 There might be some unusual issues there. 660 00:31:46,966 --> 00:31:48,733 - There are. - Yes. 661 00:31:48,835 --> 00:31:49,767 - There are. - There are. 662 00:31:49,869 --> 00:31:52,770 You're gonna have to tell them. 663 00:31:52,872 --> 00:31:54,339 Wow. 664 00:31:54,441 --> 00:31:58,576 I mean, my mom was very promiscuous. 665 00:31:58,678 --> 00:32:00,678 She was married seven times. 666 00:32:00,780 --> 00:32:02,880 She was shot. 667 00:32:02,982 --> 00:32:04,315 She was with a guy 668 00:32:04,417 --> 00:32:09,721 that got his head blown off by her soon-to-be ex-husband. 669 00:32:09,823 --> 00:32:14,144 I mean, we were raised going to maybe five different schools 670 00:32:14,244 --> 00:32:15,544 - in a year... - Oh, my goodness. 671 00:32:15,646 --> 00:32:18,647 Watching her being beat all the time. 672 00:32:18,749 --> 00:32:20,015 And I worry about her 673 00:32:20,117 --> 00:32:25,187 because she... takes after her in a lot of those ways. 674 00:32:25,289 --> 00:32:28,423 Interesting. 675 00:32:28,525 --> 00:32:31,526 Now, Amy, you mentioned unusual deaths within the family. 676 00:32:31,628 --> 00:32:35,897 This is Pam's brother Jeff, 677 00:32:35,999 --> 00:32:39,795 who passed away a few years ago by committing suicide. 678 00:32:40,037 --> 00:32:42,704 He spent a lot of time here, too, as a matter of fact. 679 00:32:42,807 --> 00:32:44,907 We were more like brothers. 680 00:32:45,009 --> 00:32:47,543 It was definitely over a woman. 681 00:32:47,645 --> 00:32:50,712 I don't know much about curses, but it's a doozy of a curse. 682 00:32:50,815 --> 00:32:51,820 Yes. 683 00:32:54,084 --> 00:32:59,584 So then I met another dead guy, and he's very active here. 684 00:33:00,592 --> 00:33:03,186 One of the things that he does to get attention 685 00:33:03,288 --> 00:33:04,787 is he does, like, 686 00:33:04,890 --> 00:33:09,025 show himself as a, like, a five-foot-tall shadow person. 687 00:33:09,127 --> 00:33:10,827 But he's about 5'10 ", 5'11". 688 00:33:10,929 --> 00:33:13,263 He can go all over the property... 689 00:33:13,365 --> 00:33:14,364 inside, outside, everywhere. 690 00:33:14,466 --> 00:33:15,632 He likes the living room, 691 00:33:15,734 --> 00:33:18,401 and he likes the back bedroom the best. 692 00:33:18,503 --> 00:33:21,067 He wants a lot of attention, so he does act out. 693 00:33:22,841 --> 00:33:24,541 He's dressed all in black. 694 00:33:24,643 --> 00:33:26,877 I got a very cowboy vibe from him. 695 00:33:26,979 --> 00:33:28,778 I thought he was in his 30s. 696 00:33:28,881 --> 00:33:30,847 I saw him holding a gun. 697 00:33:30,949 --> 00:33:35,752 I...would say that would be Raymond. 698 00:33:35,854 --> 00:33:37,621 We're talking about Sonya's ex-husband, 699 00:33:37,723 --> 00:33:40,190 who also committed suicide. 700 00:33:52,594 --> 00:33:53,904 You okay, honey? 701 00:33:54,006 --> 00:33:56,439 Mm-hmm. I don't know. 702 00:33:56,541 --> 00:33:58,635 I guess I just didn't really figure him to stick around here. 703 00:33:59,812 --> 00:34:01,645 Well, I did have a sketch done, 704 00:34:01,747 --> 00:34:04,148 so you can tell me what you think. 705 00:34:09,722 --> 00:34:12,723 Oh, yeah. Are you kidding me? 706 00:34:13,959 --> 00:34:15,192 CHAD: I think it looks a lot like him. 707 00:34:15,294 --> 00:34:16,994 - PAM: I think it could be. - I really do. 708 00:34:17,096 --> 00:34:20,597 The Adam's apple is so prominent. 709 00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:22,399 STEVE: So, what do you think? 710 00:34:22,501 --> 00:34:24,034 After hearing what they're saying about him... 711 00:34:24,136 --> 00:34:26,470 Yeah. I think it's him. 712 00:34:26,572 --> 00:34:28,372 Why would he stay here? 713 00:34:28,474 --> 00:34:30,340 Why would he not go where I go? 714 00:34:30,443 --> 00:34:32,876 There's something about your mother 715 00:34:32,978 --> 00:34:39,183 that he's attached to, and he feels comfortable. 716 00:34:39,285 --> 00:34:40,332 You've been through hell, kid. 717 00:34:42,255 --> 00:34:44,288 Yeah. I was young. 718 00:34:44,390 --> 00:34:45,790 Got a lot of guilt with both of them. 719 00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:57,868 This is where, to me, things got really weird. 720 00:34:57,970 --> 00:35:00,838 Uh-oh. The little girl... 721 00:35:04,395 --> 00:35:06,028 This girl looked really sweet, 722 00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:08,998 and to me, she was just pure innocence. 723 00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:11,000 I can tell that you like the little girl, 724 00:35:11,102 --> 00:35:14,076 and this is not gonna be good news. 725 00:35:14,176 --> 00:35:17,544 I saw two graves of children. 726 00:35:17,646 --> 00:35:20,380 One was a female, 727 00:35:20,482 --> 00:35:23,383 like 9 to 12 or something in there. 728 00:35:23,485 --> 00:35:25,385 The other was a little boy. 729 00:35:25,487 --> 00:35:29,456 I do believe that the girl got sick and died from an illness. 730 00:35:29,558 --> 00:35:33,393 And I believe she died somewhere on this land. 731 00:35:33,495 --> 00:35:37,664 And I would place the young girl in, like, the 1900s, 732 00:35:37,766 --> 00:35:39,933 by her little outfit. 733 00:35:40,035 --> 00:35:44,371 There are two kids that you described who did live 734 00:35:44,473 --> 00:35:46,239 and died right on the property. 735 00:35:46,341 --> 00:35:48,775 The land was owned by a guy named Stephen Macgerlein. 736 00:35:48,877 --> 00:35:51,945 He lived here from 1864 to 1915. 737 00:35:52,047 --> 00:35:55,715 In 1872, his 2-year-old son, Frederick, 738 00:35:55,817 --> 00:35:59,786 died in a horrible accident in the family's gristmill. 739 00:35:59,888 --> 00:36:03,523 Now, in 1888, Macgerlein's daughter Hermione 740 00:36:03,625 --> 00:36:06,459 died from typhoid fever. 741 00:36:06,561 --> 00:36:08,295 Now, the kicker is, both those kids are buried 742 00:36:08,397 --> 00:36:10,730 in one of the cemeteries right next door to you. 743 00:36:10,832 --> 00:36:12,299 Oh, wow. 744 00:36:12,401 --> 00:36:14,000 So, what's the little girl do here? 745 00:36:14,102 --> 00:36:16,836 She was in the middle bedroom. 746 00:36:16,938 --> 00:36:18,405 That's your old room. 747 00:36:18,507 --> 00:36:19,639 Yes. 748 00:36:19,741 --> 00:36:21,274 She was standing at the edge of the bed 749 00:36:21,376 --> 00:36:23,810 and just staring straight ahead at the person in the bed. 750 00:36:23,912 --> 00:36:26,513 It was very creepy. 751 00:36:26,615 --> 00:36:30,928 I realized that the dead girl was pretty much gone. 752 00:36:31,586 --> 00:36:32,819 And behind her, 753 00:36:32,921 --> 00:36:35,822 I see this dark thing standing and controlling her. 754 00:36:35,924 --> 00:36:40,539 He was very tall and creepy and had extremely long fingers. 755 00:36:43,933 --> 00:36:46,674 Now, I've seen a creature, is what I described it as... 756 00:36:46,774 --> 00:36:51,117 four feet tall, humanoid with long, white hair. 757 00:36:51,217 --> 00:36:56,019 But it had fingers that were probably this long. 758 00:36:56,121 --> 00:36:59,890 So I had a sketch done of what I saw in the bedroom. 759 00:37:11,837 --> 00:37:14,938 [Inhales sharply] 760 00:37:16,208 --> 00:37:18,442 That's it. 761 00:37:18,544 --> 00:37:20,510 Oh, my God. 762 00:37:32,984 --> 00:37:36,720 AMY: So I had a sketch done of what I saw in the bedroom. 763 00:37:44,812 --> 00:37:46,845 [Inhales sharply] 764 00:37:47,685 --> 00:37:48,718 That's it. 765 00:37:48,820 --> 00:37:51,187 Oh, my God. 766 00:37:52,624 --> 00:37:56,225 [Whispering] 767 00:38:01,065 --> 00:38:03,533 Do you think they were gonna cause me harm? 768 00:38:06,070 --> 00:38:11,607 There is a demon or a demonic presence... 769 00:38:11,709 --> 00:38:12,975 [Whispering] 770 00:38:13,077 --> 00:38:16,145 that is utilizing a deceased girl. 771 00:38:16,247 --> 00:38:20,883 The intention there is to possess the individual 772 00:38:20,985 --> 00:38:22,151 that was in this bed. 773 00:38:24,565 --> 00:38:25,037 STEVE: All right. 774 00:38:25,137 --> 00:38:27,204 So, are you saying that this thing that you had drawn 775 00:38:27,306 --> 00:38:29,975 is a demon and is trying to get to Sonya? 776 00:38:30,075 --> 00:38:31,575 Yes. 777 00:38:31,677 --> 00:38:35,412 And it's also projecting those hooded figures you've all seen. 778 00:38:35,514 --> 00:38:36,847 SONYA: That's what I thought. 779 00:38:36,949 --> 00:38:41,852 That's how I felt because it was such hate and malice 780 00:38:41,954 --> 00:38:44,021 that you felt. 781 00:38:44,123 --> 00:38:47,057 And I always wondered in the back of my mind 782 00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:48,358 if it was demonic. 783 00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:52,763 When I was a child, I had a dream of, like, 784 00:38:52,865 --> 00:38:56,633 these nails over me and being scratched on my forehead. 785 00:38:56,735 --> 00:38:58,302 And as I... when I woke up that morning, 786 00:38:58,404 --> 00:39:00,351 there was that scratch on my forehead. 787 00:39:02,141 --> 00:39:07,845 I really think that this goes back to this initial curse. 788 00:39:07,947 --> 00:39:10,314 Whoever placed this curse 789 00:39:10,416 --> 00:39:14,285 was very well-versed in how to do it... 790 00:39:16,622 --> 00:39:19,924 And brought in this kind of demonic presence. 791 00:39:20,026 --> 00:39:24,628 I think that it's through your line. 792 00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:32,240 Never in my wildest imagination did I think there was this much. 793 00:39:34,488 --> 00:39:37,212 So now, Sonya, after hearing what Amy has told us tonight, 794 00:39:37,312 --> 00:39:38,411 it's pretty clear 795 00:39:38,513 --> 00:39:40,489 you haven't had a day of peace in your entire life. 796 00:39:40,649 --> 00:39:42,582 I'm really hoping tonight's a turning point for you, 797 00:39:42,684 --> 00:39:44,584 as well as everybody else at the table. 798 00:39:44,686 --> 00:39:47,020 And it starts by answering one big question... 799 00:39:47,122 --> 00:39:49,589 Can you kick out whatever the hell's in the house 800 00:39:49,691 --> 00:39:51,825 so that you and your daughter can move in 801 00:39:51,927 --> 00:39:53,860 and start your lives over, basically? 802 00:39:53,962 --> 00:39:56,129 So for that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 803 00:40:01,303 --> 00:40:03,670 There is a lot that needs to be done, 804 00:40:03,772 --> 00:40:07,574 and the first thing is to find a group of shamen 805 00:40:07,676 --> 00:40:10,643 because there is some type of demonic force 806 00:40:10,746 --> 00:40:14,047 that's been following the family as part of this curse. 807 00:40:14,149 --> 00:40:17,450 What they will do is a curse unraveling, 808 00:40:17,552 --> 00:40:21,688 a cord cutting, a removal of all the negative energies, 809 00:40:21,790 --> 00:40:23,490 and then they will also do protections 810 00:40:23,592 --> 00:40:27,260 to lock down the land and the house. 811 00:40:27,362 --> 00:40:28,895 What the cord cutting will do 812 00:40:28,997 --> 00:40:32,632 is it will remove any and all invisible attachments 813 00:40:32,734 --> 00:40:36,770 that you've made to any dead people or entities. 814 00:40:36,872 --> 00:40:42,496 So once all of that's done, then Raymond must be moved on. 815 00:40:42,596 --> 00:40:49,400 I would like an older female, gentle medium go into your room 816 00:40:49,503 --> 00:40:53,925 and have a session with him and help him to move on. 817 00:40:56,209 --> 00:40:58,309 It's just hard to... 818 00:40:58,411 --> 00:41:00,078 I mean, I want him to move on. 819 00:41:00,180 --> 00:41:01,579 And I always... 820 00:41:01,681 --> 00:41:02,914 I guess I always was hoping 821 00:41:03,016 --> 00:41:05,183 that he was watching over his daughter 822 00:41:05,285 --> 00:41:07,159 and not stuck here. 823 00:41:08,989 --> 00:41:11,322 Oh, it's just That's hard. 824 00:41:11,424 --> 00:41:12,624 Well, now you have a chance. 825 00:41:12,726 --> 00:41:16,828 You know exactly where he is, and you can help him to go. 826 00:41:16,930 --> 00:41:19,731 So, Sonya, you're gonna listen to Amy's advice on this? 827 00:41:19,833 --> 00:41:21,299 - Definitely. - Mom? 828 00:41:21,401 --> 00:41:22,700 Oh, absolutely. 829 00:41:22,802 --> 00:41:24,702 I think we can put them on their heels pretty 830 00:41:24,804 --> 00:41:26,771 - pretty quick. - STEVE: So once this gets done, 831 00:41:26,873 --> 00:41:28,907 you think you're gonna move up here with your daughter? 832 00:41:29,009 --> 00:41:30,241 I wouldn't mind it. 833 00:41:30,343 --> 00:41:31,576 I just don't want Cassie to go through 834 00:41:31,678 --> 00:41:32,911 the same thing I went through as a child. 835 00:41:34,277 --> 00:41:36,444 AMY: Removing the demon needs to happen immediately for Sonya 836 00:41:36,546 --> 00:41:38,755 and her family to protect their souls. 837 00:41:38,855 --> 00:41:42,444 In doing so, they'll free the dead and break the curse 838 00:41:42,544 --> 00:41:44,778 that's been plaguing their family for generations. 839 00:41:44,828 --> 00:41:49,378 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 64634

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