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It's like this family was cursed.
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I go outside, found
him in the truck, dead.
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What he gets off on is being seen.
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Every night, I see a shadow
coming down the hallway.
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I do hear pounding.
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There were some lynchings or murders.
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MATT: What is he trying to do?
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Kill them.
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They want to wreak havoc and chaos.
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There's a dark presence.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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These things, they're freaking out.
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They're from hell.
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I see dead people.
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They were being hunted.
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I speak to dead people.
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They were setting people on fire,
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burning them alive.
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And they speak to me.
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Her neck got broken.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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I hear a gunshot.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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Something's not right here.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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It's not safe here.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Are any of them buried on the property?
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They're all buried here.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end...
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I can't do it no more.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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Holy [bleep] Look at this.
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Or time to get out.
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It does not have a happy ending.
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Something kills people here.
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- Sync and corrected by TheDelta -
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I'm in Patricksburg, Indiana.
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It's a tiny, little town 70
miles southwest of Indianapolis.
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I got a call from a woman named Sonya.
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Now, she'd been in an
abusive relationship
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and finally got the courage
to grab her two daughters
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and get the hell out.
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Now here's where
the problem is...
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She moved back into the
house that she grew up in,
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and the abuse didn't stop.
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But this time, she's
being attacked by something
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she can't even see.
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Things are so bad, she's
living in an RV on the property
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just to avoid the house.
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This poor girl's been through a lot,
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and I really hope Amy
and I can help her out.
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MATT: Before Amy arrives,
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I clear the house of
any leading information,
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removing family photos and
covering personal items.
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When I'm finished,
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the location will be
ready for tonight's walk.
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AMY: Oh, boy.
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Uh, this isn't good.
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This probably isn't a good
place to build anything.
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It's like the earth literally
sucks the structures into it.
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It's almost like the earth devours them.
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There's a lot of mental illness there,
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and there's a lot of pain
inflicted upon others.
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STEVE: Well, Sonya, I'm glad I'm here
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'cause you sounded
really bad on the phone.
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So let me get this
straight. You're living here?
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Yes.
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I'd rather live here in
the RV in the front yard
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than I would in their house, any day.
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I'm scared of that house.
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Now, where's your parents' house
in relation to where we are now?
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Up the hill, basically.
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Who's living where?
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This is all of us.
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This is my youngest daughter, Cassie.
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She's 13.
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This is myself.
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We live here.
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This is my mother,
Pam, and my father, Ted.
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And they live in the house.
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And my oldest daughter, Ashlyn,
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refused to even be on the property.
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What are you hoping we can do for you?
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My parents are planning on
finding a place down in Florida,
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and they've offered
me the house, which...
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I would love to have Cassie there,
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but I won't because I don't want
her childhood to be like mine.
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Okay. So let me get this straight.
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- You grew up in this house?
- Yes.
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Was the house haunted then?
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Yes.
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I swore I'd never come back here.
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But you had to come back to
escape an abusive relationship.
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Yes.
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It definitely took a
lot to get away from.
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This was my only option.
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So this was like a safe haven for you.
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So I thought.
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If you can, just give me a rundown
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of what everybody's
experiencing in the house.
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Voices, growling,
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things moving, the
fear of being watched.
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And there have been shadow people.
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There's been attacks,
people being touched.
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I can only imagine
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how tough this must be
for you to talk about.
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It's been a whirlwind of
emotions and, you know,
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I worry about my daughters.
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You know, I've lived with this
for... Well, I'm 35 years old.
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And since I was young,
it's haunted me, you know.
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Why? Why me?
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Why?
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I'm seeing this man, and
he's dressed in black.
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He is kind of wearing a cowboy outfit.
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He looks fairly young,
I would say in his 30s.
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He's pretty tough.
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And he's quiet, and
he's just standing there.
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He likes to be seen.
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He also likes this area a great deal.
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He is trying to experiment
with moving things
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and actually really hardcore
interact with the living.
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So, this is your backyard?
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Am I seeing what I think I'm seeing?
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Yes.
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This is a privately owned cemetery.
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As a child looking
out my bedroom window,
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this is what I saw.
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STEVE: How do you feel
now, being in here?
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- I'm on edge being in here.
- Okay.
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So, what's going on?
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Well, we have a shadow
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that you actually see it every
night go down this hallway.
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Okay. So describe what it looks like.
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- Just a black mist, really.
- How big is it?
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How tall is it?
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I'd say about right
here, about five feet.
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The guy in black...
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people would see him as a
shadow person, without a doubt.
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He looks a lot shorter
when he's in that form
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than what he really is 'cause
he's probably about 5'10".
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But in the shadow-person form,
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he looks more, maybe,
about five foot and wider.
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He wants a lot of attention.
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What he gets off on is being seen.
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Okay. So, anything else going on?
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Uncontrollable crying.
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Cannot figure out why.
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From the time I woke up
to the time I went to bed,
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if I was in this house, I was sobbing.
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The whole day?
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Oh, the whole day,
until I went to the RV.
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And then, it just stopped.
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I'm not a psychologist,
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but you have bad
memories here growing up.
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Yes.
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But it's not that kind
of emotion, you know?
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It's not the feeling of losing someone.
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Okay. So, you've had
that kind of heartbreak?
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Yeah.
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A couple years ago, my
uncle had taken his own life.
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His name was Jeff.
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Actually... he's right here.
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He had lived here for a while.
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We were very, very close.
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Where did this happen?
Not in this house.
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But he did spend a lot of time here.
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- We were real tight.
- Yeah.
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How old was he when he passed?
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He would've been 45,
I think, when he died.
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Oh. So he was a young man.
What kind of guy was he?
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He just brought a smile
to everybody's face.
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If somebody was in a bad mood,
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he'd be the one to get you out of it.
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Never, ever, ever thought he
would do it, especially now,
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after he knew what we went through
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with my first husband
that took his own life,
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as well.
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He spent a lot of time here.
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And we got married and left
and moved in with his mother.
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And then, next thing I know,
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I go outside and couldn't find him
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and found him in the truck, dead.
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That's Raymond.
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How did he do it, if
you don't mind me asking?
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He shot himself in the head also.
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He died in '99.
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I hold a lot of guilt for both of them.
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[Scoffs] Listen. Listen to me.
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Listen to me good. Okay?
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I learned one thing in life.
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If somebody wants to do
what your husband did,
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if they want to do that, nothing
you do is gonna change it.
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These are tortured souls
you're talking about here.
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I know. And I do know that.
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I do. I just can't tell my heart that.
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The cowboy guy... I do
see him with a handgun.
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He was pretty intimidating
when he was alive.
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He likes this space the most.
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There's a familiarity here with him.
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I don't trust this guy,
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and I think he's doing
very bad things in here.
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STEVE: So, what's going on in here?
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I woke up one night to somebody
pushing at the end of the bed.
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I looked up, and in
between the wall and the bed
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was two hooded figures
that had no face, no eyes.
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And there was one at the end of my bed
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and one on the other side of my bed.
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And I woke up screaming bloody murder.
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And that was when my mom got
up out of bed, came in here.
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And I told her what had happened.
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And she immediately went
into my brother's room
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and was like, "Okay, Chad.
It's time to tell her."
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I'm like, "Tell me what?"
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You know, and that's when
they began to tell me that,
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you know, they had had
similar experiences.
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With the same type of sighting?
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Yes.
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Anything else?
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I had a dream one night.
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It was almost like the shadow people
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that we saw going down the hallway,
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but it was leaning over
me, scratching my forehead.
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And the next morning, I got up,
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and I had a scratch on my head.
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Now, couldn't you have
just scratched yourself?
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I don't believe so because
of the way, you know,
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when I looked in the mirror,
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it was exactly how, in my dream,
the shadow would have did it.
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In this room, I just see,
like, this younger girl.
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There's something off about her.
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Somebody's summoned her up from
her grave and, like, dug her up.
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And, like, she didn't come back right.
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I see her standing
at the end of the bed,
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and she's just staring.
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And it's really [bleep] creepy
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because standing behind
her is this dark thing
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that has attached itself to this kid.
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The thing ultimately
controls her and has, like,
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a connection to her.
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Do you have any idea what this
thing that's controlling her is?
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I would say it's some
kind of demonic force.
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Can you see it? What does it look like?
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This thing is very tall.
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Its hands are super
weird-looking...
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long, really super little
hands but long fingers.
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And do you have any idea
what it's trying to do?
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I think that it's trying
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to attach itself to
somebody in this room.
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What demons want... they
want to wreak havoc and chaos.
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Would you say that this
person is in danger?
256
00:11:28,997 --> 00:11:30,696
Yes, I would.
257
00:11:50,730 --> 00:11:53,831
So Sonya said she had a hell
of a time growing up here.
258
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I did not know that it marked
her for life like it has.
259
00:11:58,769 --> 00:12:01,503
Now, Sonya's at the point where
she won't even stay in the house.
260
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She's staying in the RV.
261
00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,340
Yeah. It broke my heart.
262
00:12:05,442 --> 00:12:08,610
She's got a bedroom in
there that's still her room.
263
00:12:08,712 --> 00:12:10,078
I mean, we still call it her room.
264
00:12:10,180 --> 00:12:12,781
It's still decorated, like, for her.
265
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Have you experienced anything?
266
00:12:14,552 --> 00:12:19,187
The very first night we
ever stayed in this house,
267
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I woke up with a girl
standing beside my bed,
268
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I mean, just, like, right here.
269
00:12:25,195 --> 00:12:26,929
Like, she's just
looking down at my face.
270
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Have you seen anything else like that?
271
00:12:28,666 --> 00:12:29,932
Just... every night,
272
00:12:30,034 --> 00:12:31,936
I see a shadow coming down the hallway.
273
00:12:32,036 --> 00:12:34,570
And it looks like it
goes out the front door.
274
00:12:34,672 --> 00:12:36,338
Your daughter explained
the same thing to me.
275
00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,574
And we both have seen
it at the same time.
276
00:12:38,676 --> 00:12:41,043
So, it's not been easy
here for you, either?
277
00:12:41,145 --> 00:12:42,278
No.
278
00:12:42,380 --> 00:12:43,946
It's that back hallway.
279
00:12:44,048 --> 00:12:46,949
If anything in this house
spooks me, it's the back hallway.
280
00:12:47,051 --> 00:12:49,351
And why does that spook you?
281
00:12:49,453 --> 00:12:51,553
Well, number one, that's
where I heard the voice.
282
00:12:51,656 --> 00:12:53,022
What voice?
283
00:12:53,124 --> 00:12:54,456
I was in the bathroom one day,
284
00:12:54,558 --> 00:13:02,584
and just this most evil, growly
voice was like, "Stop it."
285
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Just as low.
286
00:13:04,935 --> 00:13:09,634
And I was petrified that day.
287
00:13:13,244 --> 00:13:16,078
AMY: There's also another male here.
288
00:13:16,181 --> 00:13:18,609
And I see, like, an older male.
289
00:13:20,251 --> 00:13:21,951
He's a big problem.
290
00:13:22,053 --> 00:13:25,521
He yells a lot, very threatening.
291
00:13:25,623 --> 00:13:29,317
I do hear pounding on the walls,
292
00:13:30,428 --> 00:13:33,692
especially in, like, in this area.
293
00:13:34,032 --> 00:13:36,833
He's related to somebody
in the household.
294
00:13:36,935 --> 00:13:40,970
And he's somebody's grandfather
or great-grandfather.
295
00:13:41,072 --> 00:13:47,877
There's something in the
family that's really bad.
296
00:13:47,979 --> 00:13:50,393
Two people, at some point,
in this family, got married.
297
00:13:50,493 --> 00:13:54,929
They shouldn't have. It
was bad, very wrong and bad.
298
00:13:55,031 --> 00:13:59,033
And from that point
on, it's like this...
299
00:13:59,135 --> 00:14:04,639
this line, this family,
was cursed by their own.
300
00:14:04,741 --> 00:14:09,577
I don't think I've
ever... seen this before.
301
00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,113
I don't think he wants to show me
302
00:14:12,215 --> 00:14:13,714
who he's related to
303
00:14:13,816 --> 00:14:17,618
because that's the person
he's trying to destroy.
304
00:14:22,394 --> 00:14:23,881
So, Chad, I was talking to Sonya.
305
00:14:23,981 --> 00:14:25,198
Now, she told me about the experiences
306
00:14:25,298 --> 00:14:27,298
and how this house really
scarred her for life.
307
00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,200
Now, she had mentioned
you'd moved out of here
308
00:14:29,302 --> 00:14:30,735
pretty quick when you were young.
309
00:14:30,837 --> 00:14:32,579
Oh, as soon as I was 18, I was gone.
310
00:14:32,679 --> 00:14:33,569
Why, though?
311
00:14:33,669 --> 00:14:36,436
Most of it was because of the
things that had happened here.
312
00:14:36,538 --> 00:14:37,871
Okay. So tell me about some of them.
313
00:14:37,973 --> 00:14:41,274
One particular night, when I
was probably 8 or 9 years old,
314
00:14:41,376 --> 00:14:46,413
standing around my bed, I
counted six hooded figures.
315
00:14:46,515 --> 00:14:47,981
I had three on one side of my bed,
316
00:14:48,083 --> 00:14:49,816
three on the other side.
317
00:14:49,918 --> 00:14:51,585
So, you saw the same exact thing
318
00:14:51,687 --> 00:14:53,420
that Sonya was telling me about?
319
00:14:53,522 --> 00:14:54,721
Yeah.
320
00:14:54,823 --> 00:14:56,890
I'm 37 now, and I close my
eyes and I can still see them.
321
00:14:56,992 --> 00:14:59,125
- Okay. Anything else?
- Yeah.
322
00:14:59,227 --> 00:15:02,829
Around the same time that I seen that,
323
00:15:02,931 --> 00:15:06,800
I was laying in bed and woke up
to feeling pressure on my chest.
324
00:15:06,902 --> 00:15:09,235
And it felt like they
were underneath my bed
325
00:15:09,338 --> 00:15:12,806
and were pulling the
sheet tight down so...
326
00:15:12,908 --> 00:15:15,375
pinning me to my bed where
I could not move at all.
327
00:15:15,477 --> 00:15:16,710
I went to scream out,
328
00:15:16,812 --> 00:15:19,312
and I couldn't get
any words to come out.
329
00:15:19,414 --> 00:15:21,147
It took all the air out of my chest.
330
00:15:21,249 --> 00:15:25,218
I just told myself that I
shouldn't look underneath there.
331
00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:26,430
I may not like what I see.
332
00:15:31,026 --> 00:15:34,761
I see that the grandfather guy
333
00:15:34,863 --> 00:15:38,732
is attacking somebody in this room
334
00:15:38,834 --> 00:15:40,932
and is pushing down on their heart.
335
00:15:42,963 --> 00:15:45,730
It might feel more like their
throat or chest pressure,
336
00:15:45,833 --> 00:15:48,100
but he's actually inside their chest.
337
00:15:48,202 --> 00:15:52,404
He's trying to figure out
how to make the heart stop.
338
00:15:52,506 --> 00:15:55,507
He can't... grab it.
339
00:15:55,609 --> 00:15:59,189
He can put pressure on it,
but he can't squeeze it.
340
00:15:59,291 --> 00:16:01,082
And what is he trying to do?
341
00:16:01,184 --> 00:16:02,683
Kill them.
342
00:16:18,129 --> 00:16:19,877
STEVE: First thing I do
when I get to a location
343
00:16:19,977 --> 00:16:21,177
is pull the property deed.
344
00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:23,045
Turns out one of the original owners
345
00:16:23,147 --> 00:16:25,514
was on the land for 65 years.
346
00:16:25,616 --> 00:16:27,583
I had a local historian check them out,
347
00:16:27,685 --> 00:16:29,885
and she just called back
saying these people have a story
348
00:16:29,987 --> 00:16:33,355
I'm definitely gonna want to know about.
349
00:16:40,644 --> 00:16:42,544
STEVE: So, Glenda, what
were you able to find out
350
00:16:42,646 --> 00:16:44,724
about the original owners
of my client's property?
351
00:16:44,882 --> 00:16:47,917
Stephen Macgerlein came
from Germany to Owen County
352
00:16:48,019 --> 00:16:49,518
in the later 1830s.
353
00:16:49,620 --> 00:16:50,986
He married,
354
00:16:51,088 --> 00:16:54,523
and he and his wife had,
over the years, 12 children.
355
00:16:54,625 --> 00:16:55,925
Okay.
356
00:16:56,027 --> 00:17:00,296
They bought the property in
1864 and used it as a coal mine.
357
00:17:00,398 --> 00:17:02,565
Did he mine coal right
on my client's property?
358
00:17:02,667 --> 00:17:04,133
That's my understanding.
359
00:17:04,235 --> 00:17:05,434
Okay. That's interesting.
360
00:17:05,536 --> 00:17:06,836
You mentioned on the phone
361
00:17:06,938 --> 00:17:09,596
that this family had a story I'm
gonna want to hear for my case.
362
00:17:09,696 --> 00:17:10,729
What was that?
363
00:17:10,831 --> 00:17:13,198
Well, they had a number of deaths
364
00:17:13,300 --> 00:17:17,168
in the course of the time that
they lived in Patricksburg.
365
00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:22,007
In 1872, a 2-year-old son
died in an accident at the mill
366
00:17:22,109 --> 00:17:24,042
less than a 1/2 a mile down the road.
367
00:17:24,144 --> 00:17:25,710
- His name was Frederick.
- Okay.
368
00:17:25,812 --> 00:17:29,447
In 1888, his
13-year-old daughter,
369
00:17:29,549 --> 00:17:32,217
Hermione, died of typhoid fever.
370
00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:34,019
I'm afraid to even ask what else.
371
00:17:34,121 --> 00:17:37,188
In 1901, his
35-year-old daughter,
372
00:17:37,290 --> 00:17:39,557
Molly, died of consumption.
373
00:17:39,660 --> 00:17:42,093
The next year, in 1902,
374
00:17:42,195 --> 00:17:47,165
his wife died at the
age of 61 of peritonitis,
375
00:17:47,267 --> 00:17:50,101
intestinal problems, also.
376
00:17:50,203 --> 00:17:51,437
- Pretty tragic.
- Mm-hmm.
377
00:17:51,537 --> 00:17:53,003
So, what happened to him, Stephen?
378
00:17:53,106 --> 00:17:58,342
He died in 1915 at home of dropsy.
379
00:17:58,444 --> 00:18:00,211
- That's a heart condition.
- Okay.
380
00:18:00,313 --> 00:18:03,481
I brought you an obituary I
thought you'd like to see...
381
00:18:03,583 --> 00:18:05,177
"The Death of a Prominent Man."
382
00:18:06,086 --> 00:18:07,652
So he's 81 when he dies.
383
00:18:07,754 --> 00:18:09,187
- Mm-hmm.
- He died on the property.
384
00:18:09,289 --> 00:18:11,089
Yes. And, Glenda, let
me ask you a question.
385
00:18:11,191 --> 00:18:13,667
There's a couple cemeteries literally
right next door to the property.
386
00:18:13,767 --> 00:18:15,389
- Right.
- Is he buried there?
387
00:18:15,489 --> 00:18:17,289
- Yes.
- Okay.
388
00:18:17,391 --> 00:18:20,192
The whole family is
buried in that cemetery.
389
00:18:22,263 --> 00:18:26,932
Hmm.
390
00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,819
There's something about
two children that died.
391
00:18:33,553 --> 00:18:35,287
There's two children graves.
392
00:18:37,003 --> 00:18:39,850
I think one of them belongs to
the girl I saw in the bedroom.
393
00:18:39,950 --> 00:18:41,316
MATT: How old?
394
00:18:41,419 --> 00:18:45,020
Like 11 to 14 years of age, maybe.
395
00:18:45,122 --> 00:18:47,189
I'm not sure about the other one.
396
00:18:47,291 --> 00:18:50,859
I think it was a littler kid...
397
00:18:50,961 --> 00:18:54,830
which I think is a boy.
398
00:18:54,932 --> 00:18:58,267
The girl... I see
her with blond hair.
399
00:18:58,369 --> 00:19:02,375
And I feel like she was sick,
that she died from an illness.
400
00:19:02,740 --> 00:19:06,309
More than likely, she
died here, on this land,
401
00:19:06,411 --> 00:19:10,246
and that's what makes her close by.
402
00:19:10,348 --> 00:19:14,317
There's something weird
with her... her soul.
403
00:19:14,419 --> 00:19:16,990
And that's why she's out of her grave.
404
00:19:17,989 --> 00:19:18,926
Very strange.
405
00:19:20,591 --> 00:19:22,158
STEVE: When Glenda
mentioned the Macgerleins
406
00:19:22,260 --> 00:19:23,547
operated a coal mine on the property,
407
00:19:23,647 --> 00:19:25,013
my ears perked up.
408
00:19:25,115 --> 00:19:28,240
Every time I've looked into one,
I found some terrible accident.
409
00:19:28,518 --> 00:19:31,303
I'm on my way back to the house
to meet a coal-mining expert
410
00:19:31,421 --> 00:19:32,553
who says two people
411
00:19:32,656 --> 00:19:34,822
died horrible deaths
right on Pam's property.
412
00:19:41,314 --> 00:19:42,713
I understand that there
was coal mining done
413
00:19:42,815 --> 00:19:43,981
right here on this property.
414
00:19:44,083 --> 00:19:45,983
That's correct. That was very common.
415
00:19:46,085 --> 00:19:47,484
People would have small mines
416
00:19:47,587 --> 00:19:49,987
that they would operate
on their own property.
417
00:19:50,089 --> 00:19:52,623
Do you have any idea where
they would have did the mining
418
00:19:52,725 --> 00:19:54,124
- on the property here?
- Right here.
419
00:19:54,226 --> 00:19:56,966
They opened this up,
dug down to the coal.
420
00:19:57,066 --> 00:19:59,466
And they just left it open,
and it filled up with rainwater.
421
00:19:59,568 --> 00:20:00,868
Oh. See, I...
Just looking at it,
422
00:20:00,970 --> 00:20:02,236
I would have never
known this was a mine.
423
00:20:02,338 --> 00:20:05,439
It totally changed the landscape
of this part of the country.
424
00:20:05,541 --> 00:20:07,908
I know it was a dangerous job.
425
00:20:08,010 --> 00:20:09,109
It was very hazardous,
426
00:20:09,211 --> 00:20:11,111
particularly the underground mines.
427
00:20:11,213 --> 00:20:14,181
We have a picture right here. Wow.
428
00:20:14,283 --> 00:20:16,283
These look like terrible
working conditions.
429
00:20:16,385 --> 00:20:18,152
There were numerous people killed
430
00:20:18,254 --> 00:20:20,387
and seriously injured
literally every day.
431
00:20:20,489 --> 00:20:23,390
You mentioned two people died on
the property here in the mines.
432
00:20:23,492 --> 00:20:26,360
What happened with that? The
first one happened in 1894.
433
00:20:26,462 --> 00:20:28,462
The victim's name was Aaron Wark,
434
00:20:28,564 --> 00:20:30,731
and he was taking a
break in the coal mine,
435
00:20:30,833 --> 00:20:33,167
and the roof caved in on him.
436
00:20:33,269 --> 00:20:35,936
He lingered for two
days from his injuries
437
00:20:36,038 --> 00:20:37,504
and then finally passed away.
438
00:20:37,606 --> 00:20:38,906
He was 32 years old,
439
00:20:39,008 --> 00:20:41,241
and he left a wife and
three small children.
440
00:20:41,344 --> 00:20:42,964
Okay. So, what was the second death?
441
00:20:43,032 --> 00:20:44,498
Ralph Wright.
442
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,234
He was killed in 1934.
443
00:20:47,336 --> 00:20:48,769
He just got careless.
444
00:20:48,871 --> 00:20:52,839
He was pushing a cart
along and made a mistake
445
00:20:52,942 --> 00:20:56,944
and fell 90 feet down an open shaft,
446
00:20:57,046 --> 00:21:00,480
broke his neck, fractured
his skull, very tragic.
447
00:21:00,582 --> 00:21:02,349
I know what that looks
like. I've seen it.
448
00:21:02,451 --> 00:21:03,617
It's not a pretty sight.
449
00:21:07,123 --> 00:21:09,972
AMY: It's quite a big circle of land
450
00:21:10,072 --> 00:21:13,840
that surrounds this particular location,
451
00:21:13,942 --> 00:21:17,444
and it has something to do
with what's going on here.
452
00:21:17,546 --> 00:21:24,462
And it did seem like the
earth was bad for a long time,
453
00:21:24,562 --> 00:21:26,529
like things couldn't grow.
454
00:21:26,631 --> 00:21:30,511
It's like the earth literally
sucks the structures into it
455
00:21:30,635 --> 00:21:32,868
and somehow destroys them.
456
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,207
And I really think that
there's this subtle poisoning
457
00:21:38,309 --> 00:21:39,975
going on.
458
00:21:40,077 --> 00:21:41,644
Nothing should be built here
459
00:21:41,746 --> 00:21:45,609
because they do eventually take it down.
460
00:21:51,556 --> 00:21:52,922
If you need us to investigate
461
00:21:53,024 --> 00:21:54,790
unexplained activity in your home,
462
00:21:54,892 --> 00:21:57,893
go to the "Dead Files"
page at travelchannel.com.
463
00:21:57,995 --> 00:21:59,595
Click on "Help Me, Dead
Files!" to submit your story,
464
00:21:59,697 --> 00:22:00,663
and we'll help if we can.
465
00:22:08,176 --> 00:22:10,921
STEVE: So far, I've got clients
being physically assaulted
466
00:22:11,021 --> 00:22:14,423
on a property that's seen more
than a half a dozen deaths.
467
00:22:14,525 --> 00:22:15,746
But I need to see if
there's anything else
468
00:22:15,846 --> 00:22:16,912
that could help my case.
469
00:22:18,301 --> 00:22:21,035
Searching through city
records, I find a crime
470
00:22:21,137 --> 00:22:23,458
involving a vigilante
group called the White Caps.
471
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,506
Turns out, they nearly
beat a man to death
472
00:22:25,608 --> 00:22:28,924
right next to my client's property.
473
00:22:29,245 --> 00:22:31,579
I'm on my way to meet
with a local researcher
474
00:22:31,681 --> 00:22:34,415
who says this gang
terrorized the entire region.
475
00:22:41,888 --> 00:22:44,458
This article I came
across showed that a guy
476
00:22:44,561 --> 00:22:48,229
got beaten up on or right
near my client's property
477
00:22:48,331 --> 00:22:50,298
by a group of guys called White Cappers.
478
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,500
I've never even heard of
them. What the hell is that?
479
00:22:52,602 --> 00:22:55,303
White Caps existed as secret societies
480
00:22:55,405 --> 00:23:01,809
in mainly Southern Indiana
in local, rural areas
481
00:23:01,911 --> 00:23:04,011
that passed out vigilante justice
482
00:23:04,113 --> 00:23:08,082
from around 1850
through the early 1900s.
483
00:23:08,184 --> 00:23:10,084
Were these guys like the KKK?
484
00:23:10,186 --> 00:23:13,788
They weren't racially motivated,
but there were similarities.
485
00:23:13,890 --> 00:23:16,090
The articles indicated
they wore robes...
486
00:23:16,192 --> 00:23:17,992
sometimes white, sometimes dark.
487
00:23:18,094 --> 00:23:18,993
Okay.
488
00:23:19,095 --> 00:23:20,728
But they felt that they had the right
489
00:23:20,830 --> 00:23:23,831
to enforce the moral
code of their community.
490
00:23:23,933 --> 00:23:25,637
What kind of people would they target?
491
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:28,703
Drunks, adulterers, prostitutes,
492
00:23:28,805 --> 00:23:34,684
unwed mothers, petty thievery,
or not attending church.
493
00:23:36,713 --> 00:23:39,114
AMY: There are, like, a group of men,
494
00:23:39,216 --> 00:23:41,550
and they're all linked arm in arm.
495
00:23:41,652 --> 00:23:44,886
There is maybe 10 of them.
496
00:23:44,988 --> 00:23:51,059
These things are pretty
powerful, very aggressive.
497
00:23:54,152 --> 00:23:57,994
As far as them directly
interacting with the living,
498
00:23:58,094 --> 00:24:01,595
I think that they would feel a sense
499
00:24:01,697 --> 00:24:07,201
of absolutely being
watched and feeling stalked
500
00:24:07,303 --> 00:24:12,206
and feeling extreme fear,
like you're being hunted.
501
00:24:12,308 --> 00:24:15,476
And they want that to be their message.
502
00:24:17,380 --> 00:24:17,657
Okay.
503
00:24:17,718 --> 00:24:19,206
So now that I know
who White Cappers are,
504
00:24:19,306 --> 00:24:20,505
what do you know about the beating
505
00:24:20,608 --> 00:24:22,841
that this guy got near
my client's property?
506
00:24:22,943 --> 00:24:26,745
One evening...
February 14, 1890...
507
00:24:26,847 --> 00:24:30,716
there was a man by the
name of Fleming Bremmer
508
00:24:30,818 --> 00:24:34,853
who was coming home,
going through Patricksburg.
509
00:24:34,955 --> 00:24:38,123
A group of men in
dark robes grabbed him,
510
00:24:38,225 --> 00:24:41,293
took him through an
orchard, tied him to a tree,
511
00:24:41,395 --> 00:24:43,629
and pulled the branches off the trees
512
00:24:43,731 --> 00:24:46,265
and whipped him till
he was a bloody mess...
513
00:24:46,367 --> 00:24:49,034
- Okay...
- and left him there unconscious.
514
00:24:49,136 --> 00:24:50,902
And he didn't wake up till morning.
515
00:24:51,005 --> 00:24:52,437
Well, it's lucky this guy
didn't freeze to death,
516
00:24:52,539 --> 00:24:53,739
let alone from the beating.
517
00:24:53,841 --> 00:24:55,741
Do we know what the White
Cappers went after him?
518
00:24:55,843 --> 00:25:00,045
He had been warned that he
had been abusive to his mother.
519
00:25:00,147 --> 00:25:03,949
And so that was what
led to this incident.
520
00:25:04,051 --> 00:25:05,584
Okay. So, was anybody charged?
521
00:25:05,686 --> 00:25:06,752
No.
522
00:25:06,854 --> 00:25:08,086
Today, they would
never get away with it.
523
00:25:08,188 --> 00:25:11,657
In the hills of Southern
Indiana during the late 1800s...
524
00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:12,658
Right.
525
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,826
There wasn't always the sheriffs
526
00:25:14,928 --> 00:25:18,279
and the police and the courts.
527
00:25:20,234 --> 00:25:22,501
I don't think they want anybody here.
528
00:25:22,603 --> 00:25:26,592
And there's also no denying
the feeling that they invoke,
529
00:25:26,692 --> 00:25:30,111
which is that you're being hunted.
530
00:25:32,798 --> 00:25:37,133
They've gone to where
this is a sport for them.
531
00:25:37,235 --> 00:25:40,063
This is, like, wicked bad.
532
00:25:47,381 --> 00:25:49,506
During my walk, I saw
several dead people,
533
00:25:49,606 --> 00:25:50,772
but two stood out the most.
534
00:25:51,796 --> 00:25:53,663
First, the cowboy.
535
00:25:53,765 --> 00:25:58,201
He was probably in his
mid-to late-30s, very thin.
536
00:25:58,303 --> 00:26:01,204
He had a black cowboy hat on,
537
00:26:01,306 --> 00:26:06,376
and he had a very thick mustache.
538
00:26:06,478 --> 00:26:07,377
Okay.
539
00:26:07,479 --> 00:26:08,778
Next, I described a demon
540
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,148
who was using a dead little
girl to torment a living person.
541
00:26:12,250 --> 00:26:14,317
She was dressed like a doll.
542
00:26:14,419 --> 00:26:19,756
Behind her, which was
this tall, dark thing,
543
00:26:19,858 --> 00:26:22,125
and it had its hands on her shoulders
544
00:26:22,227 --> 00:26:25,528
and its fingers went like
halfway down her body.
545
00:26:25,630 --> 00:26:28,513
So it's, like, controlling her.
546
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,667
Is this what you saw?
547
00:26:31,770 --> 00:26:34,037
Yes. That's what I saw.
548
00:26:53,171 --> 00:26:55,906
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
549
00:26:56,006 --> 00:26:57,539
we're ready to reveal our findings
550
00:26:57,641 --> 00:26:59,908
to each other and our
clients for the first time.
551
00:27:01,025 --> 00:27:02,410
Amy, I'd like you to meet Sonya.
552
00:27:03,715 --> 00:27:06,285
She grew up in the house right
across from the barn here,
553
00:27:06,385 --> 00:27:10,387
and she was tortured by
the activity growing up.
554
00:27:10,489 --> 00:27:11,721
Now, a few months ago,
555
00:27:11,824 --> 00:27:15,225
she was able to get out of a
very bad, abusive relationship
556
00:27:15,327 --> 00:27:17,894
and had to move back here
with one of her daughters.
557
00:27:17,996 --> 00:27:20,530
Now, here's how it's
working out for her.
558
00:27:20,632 --> 00:27:22,466
She's so afraid of the house
559
00:27:22,568 --> 00:27:26,636
that she's living in this
RV that's in the front lawn.
560
00:27:26,738 --> 00:27:28,271
So that's why we're
doing the reveal here
561
00:27:28,373 --> 00:27:30,607
'cause she doesn't want
to be in that house.
562
00:27:30,709 --> 00:27:33,176
This is Pam. This is Sonya's mom.
563
00:27:33,278 --> 00:27:35,278
And this is Chad, her brother.
564
00:27:35,380 --> 00:27:37,614
Here's where the twist comes in.
565
00:27:37,716 --> 00:27:40,817
Pam is getting ready
to retire and move out
566
00:27:40,919 --> 00:27:42,652
and wants to give the house to the kids,
567
00:27:42,754 --> 00:27:45,188
but they don't think it's safe.
568
00:27:45,290 --> 00:27:47,991
So with that, I'm gonna have
Amy tell us about her walk
569
00:27:48,093 --> 00:27:49,934
and how things went.
570
00:27:52,931 --> 00:27:56,333
AMY: When I first got
here, I saw a group of men.
571
00:27:56,435 --> 00:27:58,602
There were about 10 of them.
572
00:27:58,704 --> 00:28:02,672
And they roam around
the entire property.
573
00:28:02,774 --> 00:28:06,185
The living would experience
them in various ways.
574
00:28:06,278 --> 00:28:09,480
These guys make you feel
like you're being watched
575
00:28:09,582 --> 00:28:12,749
and, specifically, hunted.
576
00:28:12,852 --> 00:28:15,219
It's like that's what
I kept feeling like.
577
00:28:15,321 --> 00:28:18,388
I was being hunted like an animal.
578
00:28:18,491 --> 00:28:21,191
I felt like being watched real bad...
579
00:28:21,293 --> 00:28:23,127
Yeah... just, like, with pure hate,
580
00:28:23,229 --> 00:28:25,462
and just so bad that you had to move.
581
00:28:25,564 --> 00:28:28,031
You couldn't just stand
there. You had to go.
582
00:28:28,134 --> 00:28:30,601
I'll be sitting in the
living room, watching TV,
583
00:28:30,703 --> 00:28:35,339
and it's just like I
know they're watching me.
584
00:28:35,441 --> 00:28:39,209
The creepy thing about them is
that they do not want anybody
585
00:28:39,311 --> 00:28:41,311
on this land.
586
00:28:41,413 --> 00:28:41,891
STEVE: All right. The only
thing I can think of...
587
00:28:41,991 --> 00:28:43,891
It's a long shot, but
there was something
588
00:28:43,993 --> 00:28:46,660
I came across in my research
that I thought was interesting.
589
00:28:47,463 --> 00:28:49,196
Apparently, back in the late 1800s,
590
00:28:49,298 --> 00:28:52,466
there was a gang of moral
vigilantes called White Cappers.
591
00:28:52,568 --> 00:28:55,436
Now, they performed
violence against anybody
592
00:28:55,538 --> 00:28:57,371
that they thought
were acting amorally...
593
00:28:57,473 --> 00:29:00,441
unwed mothers, hobos, drunks.
594
00:29:00,543 --> 00:29:02,309
They beat women. They beat men.
595
00:29:02,411 --> 00:29:03,611
Didn't matter who it was.
596
00:29:03,713 --> 00:29:05,613
They'd only attack at night,
597
00:29:05,715 --> 00:29:09,350
and when they would do attacks,
they'd wear robes and wear...
598
00:29:09,452 --> 00:29:12,019
Oh, no.
599
00:29:12,121 --> 00:29:13,120
Either white or black hoods.
600
00:29:13,222 --> 00:29:14,488
Oh.
601
00:29:14,590 --> 00:29:17,291
One of the victims was
beaten right on the property.
602
00:29:17,393 --> 00:29:18,392
Oh, my God.
603
00:29:18,494 --> 00:29:21,028
His name was Fleming Bremmer.
604
00:29:21,130 --> 00:29:24,231
He was a white male
who was 51 years old.
605
00:29:24,333 --> 00:29:26,967
Apparently, he was
abusive to his mother.
606
00:29:27,069 --> 00:29:30,404
Now, you guys had a big reaction
when I mentioned the robes.
607
00:29:30,506 --> 00:29:31,538
Tell Amy why.
608
00:29:31,641 --> 00:29:33,707
When I was probably
about 8 years old or so,
609
00:29:33,809 --> 00:29:36,243
and I had six...
610
00:29:36,345 --> 00:29:39,647
three up against the wall,
three on the side of the bed.
611
00:29:39,749 --> 00:29:42,516
They had no faces,
had their arms folded.
612
00:29:42,618 --> 00:29:43,617
I woke up the next morning
613
00:29:43,719 --> 00:29:45,252
and told my mom what had happened,
614
00:29:45,354 --> 00:29:47,054
and that's when she
sat me down that morning
615
00:29:47,156 --> 00:29:50,591
and told me that she had had
that same thing happen to her.
616
00:29:50,693 --> 00:29:52,059
I woke up in the middle of the night,
617
00:29:52,161 --> 00:29:55,062
and there was four hooded
figures around my bed.
618
00:29:55,164 --> 00:29:58,432
And I screamed until
Mom got up and came in.
619
00:29:58,534 --> 00:30:01,138
Okay. Well, that makes a lot of sense.
620
00:30:02,739 --> 00:30:04,405
STEVE: What else did you see?
621
00:30:04,507 --> 00:30:05,806
When I walked into the house,
622
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:11,078
I came across a couple of
dead people that concerned me.
623
00:30:11,181 --> 00:30:13,047
One of them is an older male.
624
00:30:13,149 --> 00:30:15,082
He's extremely active in the house,
625
00:30:15,185 --> 00:30:17,818
and he's a big problem here.
626
00:30:17,921 --> 00:30:20,922
He affects the living in a lot of ways.
627
00:30:21,024 --> 00:30:22,390
He does yell a lot,
628
00:30:22,492 --> 00:30:26,494
so people might hear a voice,
humming, or buzzing sound.
629
00:30:26,596 --> 00:30:28,696
He pounds on the walls.
630
00:30:28,798 --> 00:30:29,997
I got very concerned, though,
631
00:30:30,099 --> 00:30:33,167
when I walked into the
first bedroom down the hall.
632
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:34,936
That's Chad's room.
633
00:30:35,038 --> 00:30:38,673
His sights were set on
whoever was in there.
634
00:30:38,775 --> 00:30:40,875
I saw him on the bed,
sitting over this person,
635
00:30:40,977 --> 00:30:43,732
literally reaching into their chest,
636
00:30:44,237 --> 00:30:46,771
touching their heart and
trying to squeeze the heart,
637
00:30:46,873 --> 00:30:48,973
trying to give the
person a heart attack.
638
00:30:49,075 --> 00:30:50,941
That would be me.
639
00:30:52,152 --> 00:30:54,753
I felt like someone
was underneath my bed,
640
00:30:54,855 --> 00:30:57,122
pulling the sheet
down tight around me...
641
00:30:57,224 --> 00:31:00,225
Mm-hmm... compressing my chest
642
00:31:00,327 --> 00:31:02,261
to the point where I
I could not move.
643
00:31:02,363 --> 00:31:04,263
I couldn't breathe.
644
00:31:04,365 --> 00:31:06,732
I think there's a family connection
645
00:31:06,834 --> 00:31:08,233
between him and the living here.
646
00:31:08,335 --> 00:31:09,735
I got that he was somebody's grandfather
647
00:31:09,837 --> 00:31:11,670
or great-grandfather.
648
00:31:11,772 --> 00:31:14,773
Somewhere, a very long time ago,
649
00:31:14,875 --> 00:31:17,142
there was a marriage that
occurred in the family
650
00:31:17,244 --> 00:31:19,745
that was not deemed appropriate.
651
00:31:19,847 --> 00:31:22,714
And ever since that marriage took place,
652
00:31:22,816 --> 00:31:25,250
there's, like, a family curse.
653
00:31:25,352 --> 00:31:28,654
Whoever shows the dominant
traits of the individual
654
00:31:28,756 --> 00:31:31,890
that was deemed inappropriate
for the marriage,
655
00:31:31,992 --> 00:31:33,443
they are the ones who are targeted.
656
00:31:34,821 --> 00:31:35,987
I wouldn't be surprised,
657
00:31:36,089 --> 00:31:39,190
if you take a look back
at your mother's line,
658
00:31:39,292 --> 00:31:43,061
and see how they met
their demise, some of them.
659
00:31:43,163 --> 00:31:46,864
There might be some
unusual issues there.
660
00:31:46,966 --> 00:31:48,733
- There are.
- Yes.
661
00:31:48,835 --> 00:31:49,767
- There are.
- There are.
662
00:31:49,869 --> 00:31:52,770
You're gonna have to tell them.
663
00:31:52,872 --> 00:31:54,339
Wow.
664
00:31:54,441 --> 00:31:58,576
I mean, my mom was very promiscuous.
665
00:31:58,678 --> 00:32:00,678
She was married seven times.
666
00:32:00,780 --> 00:32:02,880
She was shot.
667
00:32:02,982 --> 00:32:04,315
She was with a guy
668
00:32:04,417 --> 00:32:09,721
that got his head blown off
by her soon-to-be ex-husband.
669
00:32:09,823 --> 00:32:14,144
I mean, we were raised going
to maybe five different schools
670
00:32:14,244 --> 00:32:15,544
- in a year...
- Oh, my goodness.
671
00:32:15,646 --> 00:32:18,647
Watching her being beat all the time.
672
00:32:18,749 --> 00:32:20,015
And I worry about her
673
00:32:20,117 --> 00:32:25,187
because she... takes after
her in a lot of those ways.
674
00:32:25,289 --> 00:32:28,423
Interesting.
675
00:32:28,525 --> 00:32:31,526
Now, Amy, you mentioned unusual
deaths within the family.
676
00:32:31,628 --> 00:32:35,897
This is Pam's brother Jeff,
677
00:32:35,999 --> 00:32:39,795
who passed away a few years
ago by committing suicide.
678
00:32:40,037 --> 00:32:42,704
He spent a lot of time here,
too, as a matter of fact.
679
00:32:42,807 --> 00:32:44,907
We were more like brothers.
680
00:32:45,009 --> 00:32:47,543
It was definitely over a woman.
681
00:32:47,645 --> 00:32:50,712
I don't know much about curses,
but it's a doozy of a curse.
682
00:32:50,815 --> 00:32:51,820
Yes.
683
00:32:54,084 --> 00:32:59,584
So then I met another dead
guy, and he's very active here.
684
00:33:00,592 --> 00:33:03,186
One of the things that
he does to get attention
685
00:33:03,288 --> 00:33:04,787
is he does, like,
686
00:33:04,890 --> 00:33:09,025
show himself as a, like, a
five-foot-tall shadow person.
687
00:33:09,127 --> 00:33:10,827
But he's about 5'10 ", 5'11".
688
00:33:10,929 --> 00:33:13,263
He can go all over
the property...
689
00:33:13,365 --> 00:33:14,364
inside, outside, everywhere.
690
00:33:14,466 --> 00:33:15,632
He likes the living room,
691
00:33:15,734 --> 00:33:18,401
and he likes the back bedroom the best.
692
00:33:18,503 --> 00:33:21,067
He wants a lot of attention,
so he does act out.
693
00:33:22,841 --> 00:33:24,541
He's dressed all in black.
694
00:33:24,643 --> 00:33:26,877
I got a very cowboy vibe from him.
695
00:33:26,979 --> 00:33:28,778
I thought he was in his 30s.
696
00:33:28,881 --> 00:33:30,847
I saw him holding a gun.
697
00:33:30,949 --> 00:33:35,752
I...would say that would be Raymond.
698
00:33:35,854 --> 00:33:37,621
We're talking about Sonya's ex-husband,
699
00:33:37,723 --> 00:33:40,190
who also committed suicide.
700
00:33:52,594 --> 00:33:53,904
You okay, honey?
701
00:33:54,006 --> 00:33:56,439
Mm-hmm. I don't know.
702
00:33:56,541 --> 00:33:58,635
I guess I just didn't really
figure him to stick around here.
703
00:33:59,812 --> 00:34:01,645
Well, I did have a sketch done,
704
00:34:01,747 --> 00:34:04,148
so you can tell me what you think.
705
00:34:09,722 --> 00:34:12,723
Oh, yeah. Are you kidding me?
706
00:34:13,959 --> 00:34:15,192
CHAD: I think it looks a lot like him.
707
00:34:15,294 --> 00:34:16,994
- PAM: I think it could be.
- I really do.
708
00:34:17,096 --> 00:34:20,597
The Adam's apple is so prominent.
709
00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:22,399
STEVE: So, what do you think?
710
00:34:22,501 --> 00:34:24,034
After hearing what
they're saying about him...
711
00:34:24,136 --> 00:34:26,470
Yeah. I think it's him.
712
00:34:26,572 --> 00:34:28,372
Why would he stay here?
713
00:34:28,474 --> 00:34:30,340
Why would he not go where I go?
714
00:34:30,443 --> 00:34:32,876
There's something about your mother
715
00:34:32,978 --> 00:34:39,183
that he's attached to,
and he feels comfortable.
716
00:34:39,285 --> 00:34:40,332
You've been through hell, kid.
717
00:34:42,255 --> 00:34:44,288
Yeah. I was young.
718
00:34:44,390 --> 00:34:45,790
Got a lot of guilt with both of them.
719
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:57,868
This is where, to me,
things got really weird.
720
00:34:57,970 --> 00:35:00,838
Uh-oh. The little girl...
721
00:35:04,395 --> 00:35:06,028
This girl looked really sweet,
722
00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:08,998
and to me, she was just pure innocence.
723
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:11,000
I can tell that you
like the little girl,
724
00:35:11,102 --> 00:35:14,076
and this is not gonna be good news.
725
00:35:14,176 --> 00:35:17,544
I saw two graves of children.
726
00:35:17,646 --> 00:35:20,380
One was a female,
727
00:35:20,482 --> 00:35:23,383
like 9 to 12 or something in there.
728
00:35:23,485 --> 00:35:25,385
The other was a little boy.
729
00:35:25,487 --> 00:35:29,456
I do believe that the girl got
sick and died from an illness.
730
00:35:29,558 --> 00:35:33,393
And I believe she died
somewhere on this land.
731
00:35:33,495 --> 00:35:37,664
And I would place the young
girl in, like, the 1900s,
732
00:35:37,766 --> 00:35:39,933
by her little outfit.
733
00:35:40,035 --> 00:35:44,371
There are two kids that
you described who did live
734
00:35:44,473 --> 00:35:46,239
and died right on the property.
735
00:35:46,341 --> 00:35:48,775
The land was owned by a guy
named Stephen Macgerlein.
736
00:35:48,877 --> 00:35:51,945
He lived here from 1864 to 1915.
737
00:35:52,047 --> 00:35:55,715
In 1872, his 2-year-old
son, Frederick,
738
00:35:55,817 --> 00:35:59,786
died in a horrible accident
in the family's gristmill.
739
00:35:59,888 --> 00:36:03,523
Now, in 1888, Macgerlein's
daughter Hermione
740
00:36:03,625 --> 00:36:06,459
died from typhoid fever.
741
00:36:06,561 --> 00:36:08,295
Now, the kicker is, both
those kids are buried
742
00:36:08,397 --> 00:36:10,730
in one of the cemeteries
right next door to you.
743
00:36:10,832 --> 00:36:12,299
Oh, wow.
744
00:36:12,401 --> 00:36:14,000
So, what's the little girl do here?
745
00:36:14,102 --> 00:36:16,836
She was in the middle bedroom.
746
00:36:16,938 --> 00:36:18,405
That's your old room.
747
00:36:18,507 --> 00:36:19,639
Yes.
748
00:36:19,741 --> 00:36:21,274
She was standing at the edge of the bed
749
00:36:21,376 --> 00:36:23,810
and just staring straight
ahead at the person in the bed.
750
00:36:23,912 --> 00:36:26,513
It was very creepy.
751
00:36:26,615 --> 00:36:30,928
I realized that the dead
girl was pretty much gone.
752
00:36:31,586 --> 00:36:32,819
And behind her,
753
00:36:32,921 --> 00:36:35,822
I see this dark thing
standing and controlling her.
754
00:36:35,924 --> 00:36:40,539
He was very tall and creepy
and had extremely long fingers.
755
00:36:43,933 --> 00:36:46,674
Now, I've seen a creature,
is what I described it as...
756
00:36:46,774 --> 00:36:51,117
four feet tall, humanoid
with long, white hair.
757
00:36:51,217 --> 00:36:56,019
But it had fingers that
were probably this long.
758
00:36:56,121 --> 00:36:59,890
So I had a sketch done of
what I saw in the bedroom.
759
00:37:11,837 --> 00:37:14,938
[Inhales sharply]
760
00:37:16,208 --> 00:37:18,442
That's it.
761
00:37:18,544 --> 00:37:20,510
Oh, my God.
762
00:37:32,984 --> 00:37:36,720
AMY: So I had a sketch done
of what I saw in the bedroom.
763
00:37:44,812 --> 00:37:46,845
[Inhales sharply]
764
00:37:47,685 --> 00:37:48,718
That's it.
765
00:37:48,820 --> 00:37:51,187
Oh, my God.
766
00:37:52,624 --> 00:37:56,225
[Whispering]
767
00:38:01,065 --> 00:38:03,533
Do you think they were
gonna cause me harm?
768
00:38:06,070 --> 00:38:11,607
There is a demon or
a demonic presence...
769
00:38:11,709 --> 00:38:12,975
[Whispering]
770
00:38:13,077 --> 00:38:16,145
that is utilizing a deceased girl.
771
00:38:16,247 --> 00:38:20,883
The intention there is
to possess the individual
772
00:38:20,985 --> 00:38:22,151
that was in this bed.
773
00:38:24,565 --> 00:38:25,037
STEVE: All right.
774
00:38:25,137 --> 00:38:27,204
So, are you saying that
this thing that you had drawn
775
00:38:27,306 --> 00:38:29,975
is a demon and is
trying to get to Sonya?
776
00:38:30,075 --> 00:38:31,575
Yes.
777
00:38:31,677 --> 00:38:35,412
And it's also projecting those
hooded figures you've all seen.
778
00:38:35,514 --> 00:38:36,847
SONYA: That's what I thought.
779
00:38:36,949 --> 00:38:41,852
That's how I felt because
it was such hate and malice
780
00:38:41,954 --> 00:38:44,021
that you felt.
781
00:38:44,123 --> 00:38:47,057
And I always wondered
in the back of my mind
782
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:48,358
if it was demonic.
783
00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:52,763
When I was a child, I
had a dream of, like,
784
00:38:52,865 --> 00:38:56,633
these nails over me and being
scratched on my forehead.
785
00:38:56,735 --> 00:38:58,302
And as I... when I
woke up that morning,
786
00:38:58,404 --> 00:39:00,351
there was that scratch on my forehead.
787
00:39:02,141 --> 00:39:07,845
I really think that this goes
back to this initial curse.
788
00:39:07,947 --> 00:39:10,314
Whoever placed this curse
789
00:39:10,416 --> 00:39:14,285
was very well-versed in how to do it...
790
00:39:16,622 --> 00:39:19,924
And brought in this
kind of demonic presence.
791
00:39:20,026 --> 00:39:24,628
I think that it's through your line.
792
00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:32,240
Never in my wildest imagination
did I think there was this much.
793
00:39:34,488 --> 00:39:37,212
So now, Sonya, after hearing
what Amy has told us tonight,
794
00:39:37,312 --> 00:39:38,411
it's pretty clear
795
00:39:38,513 --> 00:39:40,489
you haven't had a day of
peace in your entire life.
796
00:39:40,649 --> 00:39:42,582
I'm really hoping tonight's
a turning point for you,
797
00:39:42,684 --> 00:39:44,584
as well as everybody else at the table.
798
00:39:44,686 --> 00:39:47,020
And it starts by answering
one big question...
799
00:39:47,122 --> 00:39:49,589
Can you kick out whatever
the hell's in the house
800
00:39:49,691 --> 00:39:51,825
so that you and your
daughter can move in
801
00:39:51,927 --> 00:39:53,860
and start your lives over, basically?
802
00:39:53,962 --> 00:39:56,129
So for that answer, I'm
gonna turn it over to Amy.
803
00:40:01,303 --> 00:40:03,670
There is a lot that needs to be done,
804
00:40:03,772 --> 00:40:07,574
and the first thing is
to find a group of shamen
805
00:40:07,676 --> 00:40:10,643
because there is some
type of demonic force
806
00:40:10,746 --> 00:40:14,047
that's been following the
family as part of this curse.
807
00:40:14,149 --> 00:40:17,450
What they will do is a curse unraveling,
808
00:40:17,552 --> 00:40:21,688
a cord cutting, a removal
of all the negative energies,
809
00:40:21,790 --> 00:40:23,490
and then they will also do protections
810
00:40:23,592 --> 00:40:27,260
to lock down the land and the house.
811
00:40:27,362 --> 00:40:28,895
What the cord cutting will do
812
00:40:28,997 --> 00:40:32,632
is it will remove any and
all invisible attachments
813
00:40:32,734 --> 00:40:36,770
that you've made to any
dead people or entities.
814
00:40:36,872 --> 00:40:42,496
So once all of that's done,
then Raymond must be moved on.
815
00:40:42,596 --> 00:40:49,400
I would like an older female,
gentle medium go into your room
816
00:40:49,503 --> 00:40:53,925
and have a session with
him and help him to move on.
817
00:40:56,209 --> 00:40:58,309
It's just hard to...
818
00:40:58,411 --> 00:41:00,078
I mean, I want him to move on.
819
00:41:00,180 --> 00:41:01,579
And I always...
820
00:41:01,681 --> 00:41:02,914
I guess I always was hoping
821
00:41:03,016 --> 00:41:05,183
that he was watching over his daughter
822
00:41:05,285 --> 00:41:07,159
and not stuck here.
823
00:41:08,989 --> 00:41:11,322
Oh, it's just
That's hard.
824
00:41:11,424 --> 00:41:12,624
Well, now you have a chance.
825
00:41:12,726 --> 00:41:16,828
You know exactly where he is,
and you can help him to go.
826
00:41:16,930 --> 00:41:19,731
So, Sonya, you're gonna
listen to Amy's advice on this?
827
00:41:19,833 --> 00:41:21,299
- Definitely.
- Mom?
828
00:41:21,401 --> 00:41:22,700
Oh, absolutely.
829
00:41:22,802 --> 00:41:24,702
I think we can put them
on their heels pretty
830
00:41:24,804 --> 00:41:26,771
- pretty quick.
- STEVE: So once this gets done,
831
00:41:26,873 --> 00:41:28,907
you think you're gonna move
up here with your daughter?
832
00:41:29,009 --> 00:41:30,241
I wouldn't mind it.
833
00:41:30,343 --> 00:41:31,576
I just don't want Cassie to go through
834
00:41:31,678 --> 00:41:32,911
the same thing I went
through as a child.
835
00:41:34,277 --> 00:41:36,444
AMY: Removing the demon needs
to happen immediately for Sonya
836
00:41:36,546 --> 00:41:38,755
and her family to protect their souls.
837
00:41:38,855 --> 00:41:42,444
In doing so, they'll free
the dead and break the curse
838
00:41:42,544 --> 00:41:44,778
that's been plaguing their
family for generations.
839
00:41:44,828 --> 00:41:49,378
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