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She's losing blood...
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We're terrified.
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I don't even want to come home.
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He would kill people.
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They found a mutilated body
with a large amount of blood.
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Her neck got broken.
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I can't protect my kids.
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They don't have answers.
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People crawling on the floor towards them.
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It's bad in here.
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Something bad's going to happen.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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There's panic.
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And it's almost like a butchering.
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I see dead people.
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They all died horribly.
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I speak to dead people.
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Get out of here.
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And they speak to me.
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Vicious.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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It doesn't matter where you are.
I'll find you.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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This guy's a real piece of work.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I feel like I live in a house of Hell.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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This is not good.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end...
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I want my life back.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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- Is he trying to kill her?
- [Sobs]
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Or time to get out.
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Oh, my God.
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This is going to kill us.
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[Train whistle blows]
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STEVE: I'm in Struthers, Ohio.
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It's a small city right next to Youngstown.
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I got called by a woman who
sounded desperate and alone.
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She said something in the house
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is attacking her and her two kids.
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Making matters worse,
her husband doesn't believe her.
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She told me she's got
no place else to turn.
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MATTHEW: Before Amy arrives,
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I need to make sure the home
is clear of any personal items
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or family photographs that
may influence her findings.
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When I'm finished,
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the location will be
ready for tonight's walk.
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Right away,
I'm seeing a few mutilated people.
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They are chopped up.
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And there's pieces of a
person coming together,
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and they form a woman.
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And she is, like, begging to make it stop.
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Then, a male comes up.
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He's very well spoken, uh, educated.
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- I think he was a doctor.
- Okay.
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But he says that when he was alive,
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he did do some things that were wrong.
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And he had a very interesting,
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I thought, reaction to the mutilated chick.
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He was, like, "Ah."
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I don't know what the
[bleep] happened to them.
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STEVE: So Joan,
after I talked to you on the phone,
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I wanted to get here as soon as I could.
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You sound like you're going through hell.
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I'm just very grateful
that you guys are here.
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We are living in a nightmare.
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First, we started hearing noises.
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Then, it went to things moving
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to seeing shadow figures.
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Then, it started getting physical.
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Geez.
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What year did you guys move in here?
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2005.
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You live here with...
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My son Dalton, my husband John,
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and my daughter Delani.
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When it gets to the point
where I can't protect my kids,
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that's where I draw the line.
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You look like a happy family in this photo.
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- No.
- Okay.
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We're not happy now.
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- There's been no support.
- In what sense?
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My husband not believing me,
not believing my daughter,
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not believing my son.
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It's tearing the marriage apart.
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So it's you and the kids against
whatever is in this house,
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and your husband is out in left field
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- somewhere with this whole thing?
- Mm-hmm.
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Dalton was scratched on
the back of his neck.
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Delani was scratched on her back.
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I was pushed going down
to the basement one day.
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And I do know the elderly woman
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that lived here before we did,
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they found her at the bottom
of the basement stairs.
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Really? Was she dead?
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- She died a couple days later.
- Okay.
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It's taken a toll on my health.
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I've been in the hospital
six times due to rib pain.
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It feels like somebody is squeezing me.
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What... what makes you
think this is paranormal
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- and not just...
- The doctors are baffled.
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They've done bone scans,
CAT scans, MRis, X-rays.
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You name it, they've done it.
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Okay, that's interesting.
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I want to know who is here,
why they're here,
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and I want them out.
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I keep getting this wave of illness.
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Uh, and it is very much in the stomach.
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Uh, very nauseous.
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It's almost like being
punched in the stomach.
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Ugh. Geez, man.
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There's a lot of stress in here.
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Yuck, yuck, yuck.
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The doctor, he didn't want to come in.
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Aw, geez.
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He's like,
"I shouldn't even be here anymore."
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He's like, "Ah,
let's just get this over with."
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- Okay. So, Joan, you sleep down here?
- Right.
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- But it's unfinished, obviously.
- Correct.
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And I'm assuming this is
also where you got pushed?
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Yep.
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I was coming down the stairs one day.
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I got to the third step.
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Felt a push on my back
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and just crashed right
into this wall right here.
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Did you have any laundry
or anything like that?
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No.
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So you couldn't have missed
a step by not seeing it.
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No.
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Okay. Did you tell your husband?
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- No.
- Why?
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I didn't think he would believe me.
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Now, you told me the previous owner
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fell down the flight of stairs,
and they found her here.
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Right.
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You think that's a coincidence?
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I don't know.
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Okay.
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So, is that the only thing
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- that's happened to you down here?
- No.
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I was laying in bed one night.
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All of a sudden, the rib pain.
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I open my eyes, and over here,
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there's three shadow people.
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And they're leaning over like this,
just looking at me.
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Were you sleeping, and then got awaken...
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[Sobs]
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Oh, honey, I'm sorry. You okay?
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I'm sorry.
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No, no, no. Come here.
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It's all right. It's all right.
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I'm here. I believe you.
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Okay?
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It was the worst feeling in the world.
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I couldn't sit up. I couldn't move.
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I couldn't talk.
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10 seconds later, it was just,
like, phew, they were gone.
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Scariest thing I've ever encountered.
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Okay.
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Oh, my.
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So now I'm seeing there's this dead female
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and a living lady.
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Dead lady, living lady have
some kind of attachment.
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Interesting.
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MATTHEW: What?
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So the dead lady is trying
to jump the living lady,
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but the dead lady doesn't
know what she's doing.
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So when she tries,
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she kind of [bleep] up
the living woman's body.
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Makes the living lady sick.
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Like, cellular problems.
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Oh [bleep]
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The living lady has experiences
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when the dead lady is trying to jump her.
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That's when she sees the
other [bleep] dead people.
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I see, like, a person sitting up in bed
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looking down this way and seeing,
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like,
people crawling on the floor towards them.
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And it's all the mutilated people.
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Can't breathe, freaking out.
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So, John, I was talking to
your wife about the things
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that are going on here
and why she called us in.
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It's got me concerned.
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You guys have a pretty bad situation.
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She seems to think that
you're not supportive
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of what her and the kids are going through.
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I believe them, but I don't have answers.
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Have you had any experiences
at all that you can't explain?
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There's one I know of that, you know,
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Joan and I just kind of
didn't see eye-to-eye on.
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It took place down in the basement.
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Okay.
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And as we were speaking,
I seen this glare kind of like...
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kind of swoosh and went this
way up towards the wall.
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What did Joan think she saw?
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She thinks she saw something paranormal.
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So, what do you think you saw?
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I feel it was a glare off of a car
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and a glass block of where I was standing.
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Okay.
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So, you see where the problem is here
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between you and your wife?
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Yeah. It causes tension.
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I... I don't deny it one bit.
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Are you trying to not
accept what's going on here?
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No, I've tried.
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Um, there's times where
nobody has been home.
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I've just sat in the living room,
you know, nothing on,
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everything off, just sat.
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Waited for a noise, a boom, anything.
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I wish something would happen.
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AMY: Because dead lady
all about taking over.
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You know, she wants a... a life back.
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So this is why she's trying
to jump the living woman
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who is here.
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What would happen if she managed
to jump the living woman?
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She would take over the
living woman's body,
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and she would use it so
she could live again.
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She would probably do
very bad things to men.
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Do you have any idea
what she would do to men
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if she managed to pull this off?
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I think either she would torture
them or try to ruin their lives,
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or possibly try to kill them.
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So, Delani, uh,
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- I talked to Mom today.
- Mm-hmm.
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And she told me about what
you guys are going through.
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You're having a tough time, aren't you?
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Mm-hmm.
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It makes me really depressed.
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- Like, the whole situation.
- Okay.
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It'll make me cry a lot.
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But I just don't tell anyone.
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So, what kind of things
have you experienced?
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When I lay in bed at night,
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I see a shadow figure stand
outside my bedroom doorway.
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Okay. Can you describe it to me?
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It's tall, and it's very dark.
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I can't see any facial
features or anything.
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It's just black.
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- Is it shaped like a person?
- Mm-hmm.
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Would you say it's a man or a woman?
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I'd say a man because
it's larger than a woman.
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Do you feel that this thing
is threatening, or...
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I think it's trying to scare me.
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Are you frightened to the point
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you think it's gonna hurt you?
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Yes.
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So, honey, is there anything else going on?
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I've had scratches on my lower back.
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And can you describe the scratches for me?
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Um, it was three scratches.
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Like, a diagonal.
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This one right here.
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How did you notice that
the scratches were there?
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Did you feel them, or...
262
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Um, I went to sit down,
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and it started burning.
264
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Sometimes, I don't even want to come home.
265
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It's scary here.
266
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Oh.
267
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The doctor guy likes it in here.
268
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But to him, it's different.
269
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It's more like an office.
270
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He gets very angry when
people come in here.
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I think that they see him
as a very tall darkness.
272
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I don't like how he feels in here.
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Uh. Oh.
274
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This is a mess. This is so messed up.
275
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Joan told me that the
previous owner of her house
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died after falling down a flight of stairs.
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I made some calls, and
the story checks out.
278
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I managed to track down
the victim's nephew,
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and he said that wasn't the only tragedy
280
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that his aunt suffered
while she lived there.
281
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Mary was my aunt.
282
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Uh, she married my uncle Nick.
283
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They got married in 1937,
284
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and here's a picture of their honeymoon.
285
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Okay. So now, how did they wind up
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on the property that
I'm investigating now?
287
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- 1943, they bought the property.
- Okay.
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And they lived there...
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- Forever.
- Okay.
290
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Until they passed away, yes.
291
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Before we get to your aunt
Mary's accident in the house,
292
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you mentioned that she
had some other tragedy.
293
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What... what were you talking about?
294
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Yes, uh, she lost her youngest son
295
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which was, uh, Nick, Jr.
296
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He was 35 years old.
297
00:15:02,284 --> 00:15:04,218
He was killed in a motorcycle accident.
298
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He was... he hit a guard rail.
299
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And, uh, he was decapitated.
300
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Geez. When did this happen?
301
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Uh, it happened in 1973.
302
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Can we talk about your aunt's accident?
303
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Ah, yes.
304
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My aunt was 95 years old.
305
00:15:18,923 --> 00:15:21,524
- It happened in 2003.
- Okay.
306
00:15:21,529 --> 00:15:24,563
My uncle Nick had already
passed away in 2001.
307
00:15:24,569 --> 00:15:28,337
But she was alone,
living in the house by herself.
308
00:15:28,345 --> 00:15:31,080
Apparently, she fell
down the basement step.
309
00:15:31,085 --> 00:15:35,120
She laid there for three days,
uh, just barely alive.
310
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The mailman noticed that
the mail was backing up,
311
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and the neighbors would knock on the door.
312
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So eventually, they called the police,
and they came in.
313
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And when they got into the house,
314
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they found her at the foot of the steps
315
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in the basement barely alive.
316
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Here is her obituary.
317
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So this poor woman basically
laid there for three days.
318
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Yes. One or two days after that,
319
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she had passed away,
320
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probably from her injuries from the fall.
321
00:16:06,535 --> 00:16:08,418
What the hell?
322
00:16:08,422 --> 00:16:16,244
I'm seeing a thing that looks
like a half-man, half-wolf.
323
00:16:16,257 --> 00:16:19,091
[Creature growling]
324
00:16:19,096 --> 00:16:22,381
It's growling. Grrr.
325
00:16:22,388 --> 00:16:25,206
It doesn't seem human.
326
00:16:28,987 --> 00:16:32,755
Um, it does something to the human body
327
00:16:32,762 --> 00:16:34,229
when it's around.
328
00:16:34,233 --> 00:16:38,868
It almost makes you lose your footing.
329
00:16:38,876 --> 00:16:40,243
So it almost, like,
330
00:16:40,247 --> 00:16:45,083
debilitates a person, makes you dizzy.
331
00:16:45,091 --> 00:16:48,826
Fall down... likes to make you fall down.
332
00:16:48,833 --> 00:16:51,700
And then, it does something to the heart
333
00:16:51,706 --> 00:16:58,611
so it can take this energy
from the human heart.
334
00:16:58,622 --> 00:17:01,490
So you feel very, very weak.
335
00:17:01,496 --> 00:17:04,263
But its intention is not to kill.
336
00:17:04,269 --> 00:17:08,305
Um, it likes to keep, like, a stash.
337
00:17:10,817 --> 00:17:13,785
STEVE: So far,
I've got a family living in fear
338
00:17:13,791 --> 00:17:16,925
and a previous owner that died
after falling down the stairs.
339
00:17:16,932 --> 00:17:18,465
But I still need to see
if there's anything else
340
00:17:18,469 --> 00:17:20,969
that can help my case.
341
00:17:20,974 --> 00:17:23,975
Searching through old records,
I find Thomas Struthers,
342
00:17:23,981 --> 00:17:27,149
who is one of the original
owners of Joan's property.
343
00:17:27,155 --> 00:17:29,556
Turns out he suffered a
lot in his time there,
344
00:17:29,561 --> 00:17:32,395
losing not one but two adult children.
345
00:17:34,606 --> 00:17:36,506
I'm on my way to meet
with a local historian
346
00:17:36,511 --> 00:17:38,428
who promised to look into it for me.
347
00:17:43,827 --> 00:17:45,894
This guy, Thomas Struthers,
348
00:17:45,899 --> 00:17:48,266
what's his connection with the
property I'm investigating?
349
00:17:48,271 --> 00:17:51,556
Well, he was born on your
client's property in 1803,
350
00:17:51,563 --> 00:17:53,896
and his father was Captain John Struthers,
351
00:17:53,901 --> 00:17:55,484
the founder of the city.
352
00:17:55,488 --> 00:17:58,222
And then, when he turned 17 in 1820,
353
00:17:58,228 --> 00:18:00,946
he went to college, became an attorney.
354
00:18:00,951 --> 00:18:04,636
And in 1831 he got married to Eunice Eddy.
355
00:18:04,643 --> 00:18:06,443
Okay, so now, I know from the research
356
00:18:06,448 --> 00:18:08,047
I did that he lost two adult kids.
357
00:18:08,051 --> 00:18:09,851
- Yes, he did.
- What was the story with that?
358
00:18:09,855 --> 00:18:11,922
Here is the family portrait.
359
00:18:13,647 --> 00:18:15,330
That's Thomas and Eunice.
360
00:18:15,335 --> 00:18:17,585
And then, this is Thomas, Jr.,
361
00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:19,123
and that's Anna.
362
00:18:19,127 --> 00:18:21,044
In 1871, Thomas, Jr.
363
00:18:21,048 --> 00:18:24,983
Contracted typhoid fever at the age of 27.
364
00:18:24,990 --> 00:18:27,240
He was having dinner that night,
365
00:18:27,245 --> 00:18:28,895
said he didn't feel well.
366
00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:31,000
And by 4:00 a.m., he was dead.
367
00:18:31,004 --> 00:18:32,637
What a shame. Okay.
368
00:18:32,642 --> 00:18:33,841
So now, what about Anna's death?
369
00:18:33,844 --> 00:18:37,546
In 1880, she ended up getting severely ill.
370
00:18:37,553 --> 00:18:40,287
She dies of what they call consumption,
371
00:18:40,293 --> 00:18:43,394
and she was 32 years old.
372
00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,634
Okay. So, when does Thomas die?
373
00:18:45,639 --> 00:18:49,307
Thomas dies in the year of 1892.
374
00:18:49,314 --> 00:18:51,531
He was 89 years old.
375
00:18:54,626 --> 00:18:59,763
AMY: The doctor guy, he's very dramatic.
376
00:18:59,772 --> 00:19:06,476
How... how he expresses
himself is direct and honest.
377
00:19:06,487 --> 00:19:11,824
I think he is a perfectionist.
378
00:19:11,833 --> 00:19:15,735
I think he died from a heart attack.
379
00:19:15,742 --> 00:19:19,177
So there's something a little weird.
380
00:19:19,184 --> 00:19:22,869
So the doctor guy is talking about Ed Gein,
381
00:19:22,876 --> 00:19:26,127
who was a serial killer.
382
00:19:26,133 --> 00:19:27,566
And I think when his mom died,
383
00:19:27,570 --> 00:19:29,903
that's when he went crazy.
384
00:19:33,484 --> 00:19:36,218
And he... he would kill people,
and he would, like,
385
00:19:36,224 --> 00:19:38,891
use their skin to make [bleep] stuff.
386
00:19:38,896 --> 00:19:44,550
There's something with this,
and it's really agitating me.
387
00:20:02,779 --> 00:20:05,329
During my research,
one other thing caught my attention...
388
00:20:05,334 --> 00:20:08,168
Three chopped-up bodies
found in rail road box cars.
389
00:20:08,174 --> 00:20:10,875
And the train's last stop
390
00:20:10,881 --> 00:20:13,632
was less than a mile from
John and Joan's house.
391
00:20:13,638 --> 00:20:15,154
Now, this may be a long shot,
392
00:20:15,158 --> 00:20:16,824
but I've reached out to
a local police captain
393
00:20:16,828 --> 00:20:19,329
so he can tell me all
about this unsolved crime.
394
00:20:25,381 --> 00:20:29,116
Cap, thanks for meeting me.
I appreciate that.
395
00:20:29,123 --> 00:20:30,923
Reason I called you is
because of the article
396
00:20:30,928 --> 00:20:32,928
I came across about the
three chopped-up bodies
397
00:20:32,932 --> 00:20:34,048
in the box cars.
398
00:20:34,052 --> 00:20:36,102
Were they found here in Struthers?
399
00:20:36,107 --> 00:20:37,973
No, they were found in Pennsylvania.
400
00:20:37,977 --> 00:20:40,111
Um, but it was determined
that they had been
401
00:20:40,116 --> 00:20:43,718
sitting in our Struthers
yard for several months.
402
00:20:43,725 --> 00:20:45,357
And I'm pretty close to
my client's property.
403
00:20:45,361 --> 00:20:46,561
It's less than a mile from here.
404
00:20:46,564 --> 00:20:47,963
Yes.
405
00:20:47,967 --> 00:20:49,300
Okay. Take me through what happened.
406
00:20:49,304 --> 00:20:51,370
May 3, 1940,
407
00:20:51,375 --> 00:20:54,910
rail road inspectors ran
across a rail road car.
408
00:20:54,917 --> 00:20:58,085
And when they opened it up,
they found a mutilated body.
409
00:20:58,091 --> 00:21:00,692
The body was cut up into
seven different pieces.
410
00:21:00,697 --> 00:21:03,448
They immediately then called
the police department, you know,
411
00:21:03,454 --> 00:21:05,120
to start an investigation.
412
00:21:05,124 --> 00:21:08,442
This was the first box car
where they found the first body.
413
00:21:08,449 --> 00:21:09,748
So, the bodies weren't together
414
00:21:09,751 --> 00:21:10,834
when they found the first one?
415
00:21:10,838 --> 00:21:12,587
No... no, they weren't. Three box cars
416
00:21:12,591 --> 00:21:15,726
down from the first one,
they found a second body.
417
00:21:15,732 --> 00:21:17,064
He was stripped down naked,
418
00:21:17,068 --> 00:21:20,487
and there was the word "Nazi"
carved into his chest.
419
00:21:20,494 --> 00:21:22,110
They also determined it was a large amount
420
00:21:22,114 --> 00:21:23,246
of blood near the body,
421
00:21:23,249 --> 00:21:25,566
and they determined that that victim
422
00:21:25,572 --> 00:21:27,155
was murdered in that box car.
423
00:21:27,159 --> 00:21:30,410
The victim was a James
David Nicholson, okay?
424
00:21:30,416 --> 00:21:33,167
He was originally from Chicago.
425
00:21:33,173 --> 00:21:35,824
Moved down the line a little bit farther.
426
00:21:35,829 --> 00:21:38,163
And by that picture,
they found a third body,
427
00:21:38,168 --> 00:21:40,284
which they determined to be a female.
428
00:21:40,289 --> 00:21:43,157
She was also mutilated
similar to the first body
429
00:21:43,163 --> 00:21:44,229
that they found.
430
00:21:44,232 --> 00:21:47,433
Wow.
431
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,276
The dead lady who hates men is
dragging herself up the stairs.
432
00:21:52,284 --> 00:21:54,117
What the [bleep] happened to her ass?
433
00:21:54,122 --> 00:21:56,739
Is this before she died?
434
00:21:56,744 --> 00:21:58,761
The angry woman is showing me the events
435
00:21:58,766 --> 00:22:01,467
that led up to her death.
436
00:22:01,473 --> 00:22:03,640
And it's incredibly gruesome.
437
00:22:03,644 --> 00:22:08,313
Someone is after her.
438
00:22:08,322 --> 00:22:12,724
She's trying to get away.
439
00:22:12,732 --> 00:22:15,833
Oh, she's frickin' [bleep]
440
00:22:19,515 --> 00:22:24,167
She's young, um, 30, 40 maybe.
441
00:22:24,175 --> 00:22:26,626
She hasn't been dead that long.
442
00:22:26,631 --> 00:22:28,714
You know, 50 years.
443
00:22:33,715 --> 00:22:35,965
Her head is pounding.
Her heart is pounding.
444
00:22:35,970 --> 00:22:39,989
I feel like she's losing blood.
445
00:22:39,996 --> 00:22:42,313
Someone is on her.
446
00:22:47,713 --> 00:22:50,748
I think it's a male.
447
00:22:50,754 --> 00:22:52,387
I don't feel very well.
448
00:22:52,391 --> 00:22:55,325
She can't breathe. She can't breathe.
449
00:22:55,331 --> 00:22:58,665
She's talking about her neck got broken.
450
00:23:03,316 --> 00:23:05,383
So, what do we know about the victims?
451
00:23:05,388 --> 00:23:07,004
They were all vagrants.
452
00:23:07,008 --> 00:23:08,675
So this guy was going
after people that nobody
453
00:23:08,679 --> 00:23:09,961
- really cared about.
- Yeah.
454
00:23:09,965 --> 00:23:11,715
I mean, this screams
serial killer, obviously.
455
00:23:11,719 --> 00:23:13,369
We determined it might be part
456
00:23:13,374 --> 00:23:17,209
of what they called The
Mad Butcher of Cleveland...
457
00:23:17,216 --> 00:23:19,016
- Okay...
- which was an ongoing investigation
458
00:23:19,020 --> 00:23:20,503
of a serial killer.
459
00:23:20,507 --> 00:23:22,223
Did they put a number on...
460
00:23:22,227 --> 00:23:23,560
as to how many he might have killed?
461
00:23:23,564 --> 00:23:26,031
There's been said it's been upwards of 50.
462
00:23:26,036 --> 00:23:30,438
These victims they credit as
being number 22, 23 and 24.
463
00:23:30,446 --> 00:23:31,862
Did they ever have any evidence
464
00:23:31,866 --> 00:23:33,199
or any clue who might have did this?
465
00:23:33,203 --> 00:23:35,270
One thing that was all
similar to all the bodies
466
00:23:35,275 --> 00:23:37,308
was how precise it was done.
467
00:23:37,312 --> 00:23:38,995
They said the person that did this
468
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,166
really knew what he was doing.
469
00:23:40,169 --> 00:23:42,152
- So either a doctor or a butcher.
- Yeah.
470
00:23:42,157 --> 00:23:44,374
Did they ever bring anybody
in to question them?
471
00:23:44,379 --> 00:23:45,929
I believe they brought several people in,
472
00:23:45,933 --> 00:23:48,800
but they were never able
to pin this on anybody.
473
00:23:48,806 --> 00:23:50,556
Okay.
474
00:23:53,467 --> 00:23:58,637
More of the messed-up
dead people are over here.
475
00:23:58,646 --> 00:24:01,780
There's a handful of them
476
00:24:01,786 --> 00:24:07,456
just kind of gauging the amount
of body parts and whatnot.
477
00:24:07,466 --> 00:24:10,434
They were struggling and struggling.
478
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,074
And then, it ended like this,
so it's, like, all [bleep]
479
00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:14,128
We had [bleep] lives.
480
00:24:14,132 --> 00:24:15,932
And then, we died in a horrible way,
481
00:24:15,936 --> 00:24:18,803
and it sucks.
482
00:24:18,809 --> 00:24:23,963
And I am seeing, maybe, a rail road.
483
00:24:23,972 --> 00:24:25,838
Like, I'm hearing that.
484
00:24:25,842 --> 00:24:29,143
So I don't know if it was a train accident.
485
00:24:29,150 --> 00:24:30,917
[Train whistle blows]
486
00:24:33,861 --> 00:24:36,028
I don't know if they were on the train.
487
00:24:36,033 --> 00:24:39,568
It doesn't seem like they were on it.
488
00:24:39,575 --> 00:24:44,144
Whatever it was,
it was not handled properly at all.
489
00:24:44,152 --> 00:24:48,054
And that's why these
people are not at rest.
490
00:24:48,061 --> 00:24:49,494
They're freaking out. They're upset.
491
00:24:49,498 --> 00:24:53,867
That's what I'm hearing,
is the right people need to pay.
492
00:25:00,657 --> 00:25:02,941
I saw several dead people during my walk,
493
00:25:02,946 --> 00:25:05,463
but the mutilated bodies
surrounding the living woman
494
00:25:05,468 --> 00:25:07,868
had me the most concerned.
495
00:25:07,873 --> 00:25:09,173
It was in the basement.
496
00:25:09,177 --> 00:25:14,580
What she saw was all of
these people on the floor,
497
00:25:14,589 --> 00:25:16,756
crawling towards her.
498
00:25:16,761 --> 00:25:18,911
Some of them were missing limbs,
499
00:25:18,916 --> 00:25:21,667
some of them, it was just their head.
500
00:25:21,673 --> 00:25:24,140
They were all mutilated.
501
00:25:24,145 --> 00:25:25,978
Bloody, pretty gory.
502
00:25:29,257 --> 00:25:32,024
Is that what you saw?
503
00:25:32,030 --> 00:25:34,231
Yes, that's what I saw.
504
00:25:53,114 --> 00:25:55,832
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
505
00:25:55,837 --> 00:25:57,203
we're ready to reveal our findings
506
00:25:57,207 --> 00:26:02,260
to each other and our
clients for the first time.
507
00:26:02,269 --> 00:26:04,302
Amy, you're looking at a couple in crisis.
508
00:26:04,307 --> 00:26:06,874
Um, this is John and Joan.
509
00:26:06,879 --> 00:26:10,281
They live here with their two kids.
510
00:26:10,288 --> 00:26:11,821
This is Dalton, who is 13.
511
00:26:11,825 --> 00:26:15,193
This is Delani,
who will be turning 17 very shortly.
512
00:26:15,199 --> 00:26:16,298
Now, everybody in the house
513
00:26:16,302 --> 00:26:18,969
is having experiences except for John.
514
00:26:18,974 --> 00:26:21,842
And that's causing a little bit of tension
515
00:26:21,848 --> 00:26:23,397
within their relationship.
516
00:26:23,401 --> 00:26:26,219
Joan called us in because she's
scared for herself and the kids
517
00:26:26,225 --> 00:26:29,893
and for her marriage.
518
00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:31,366
She wants to know what the hell is here
519
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:33,554
and how to get rid of it.
520
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,193
So now that Amy knows a little
bit about what's going on here,
521
00:26:36,198 --> 00:26:38,515
I'm gonna ask her to
tell us about her walk.
522
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,620
Okay.
523
00:26:40,625 --> 00:26:45,811
When I got here, I saw a lot of people
524
00:26:45,820 --> 00:26:48,204
that were mutilated.
525
00:26:48,209 --> 00:26:52,177
They were, like, chopped up or something.
526
00:26:52,185 --> 00:26:54,753
There was, like,
moaning and crying going on.
527
00:26:54,758 --> 00:26:58,576
And then, this woman kind of,
as much as she could,
528
00:26:58,583 --> 00:27:00,667
put herself back together.
529
00:27:00,672 --> 00:27:02,171
One of the things that she told me
530
00:27:02,175 --> 00:27:06,728
was that they had had awful lives anyways.
531
00:27:06,736 --> 00:27:09,353
And then, they died horribly.
532
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,260
And then, I was seeing train tracks.
533
00:27:12,266 --> 00:27:15,734
I also got a lot of anger
from these people,
534
00:27:15,740 --> 00:27:20,059
and they were saying how what
happened was not their fault
535
00:27:20,067 --> 00:27:26,622
and that the proper people
have to, uh, pay for it.
536
00:27:26,633 --> 00:27:29,200
That's some pretty interesting
stuff you uncovered.
537
00:27:29,205 --> 00:27:32,006
I did some research on a case.
538
00:27:32,012 --> 00:27:33,311
Back in May of 1940,
539
00:27:33,315 --> 00:27:35,915
a group of rail road
workers in Pennsylvania
540
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,721
found a badly decomposed and mutilated body
541
00:27:38,727 --> 00:27:39,726
in a rail road car.
542
00:27:39,729 --> 00:27:42,330
Oh.
543
00:27:42,336 --> 00:27:44,336
So, when the inspectors
went out to the box car,
544
00:27:44,340 --> 00:27:47,541
they found a body that was chopped up
545
00:27:47,548 --> 00:27:49,281
- into seven pieces...
- Mm.
546
00:27:49,285 --> 00:27:51,469
That was wrapped in a burlap bag.
547
00:27:51,474 --> 00:27:55,926
And they found two more
victims in separate box cars.
548
00:27:55,934 --> 00:27:58,184
Now, you may be wondering why
I'm telling you about bodies
549
00:27:58,189 --> 00:28:00,740
that were discovered in Pittsburgh.
550
00:28:00,745 --> 00:28:04,780
These trains had been in
Struthers for several weeks,
551
00:28:04,788 --> 00:28:08,557
and they're pretty sure that the
bodies were here decomposing.
552
00:28:08,564 --> 00:28:13,033
That rail road yard is less
than a mile from your house.
553
00:28:13,041 --> 00:28:15,308
Now, they believe this
was the work of a guy
554
00:28:15,313 --> 00:28:16,846
they call the Cleveland Butcher.
555
00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:18,950
- Okay.
- This guy was never caught,
556
00:28:18,955 --> 00:28:21,989
and they're pretty sure
he killed up to 50 people.
557
00:28:21,995 --> 00:28:23,828
Now, you said the... the...
the victims said
558
00:28:23,832 --> 00:28:26,049
- they had terrible lives, right?
- Mm-hmm.
559
00:28:26,054 --> 00:28:27,637
Well, these were all hobos and...
560
00:28:27,641 --> 00:28:31,726
and basically street people
that were being murdered.
561
00:28:31,734 --> 00:28:34,018
I got one of the police reports.
562
00:28:34,023 --> 00:28:39,443
And one of the other clues
was the precision of the cuts.
563
00:28:39,452 --> 00:28:40,751
They thought it may have been a doctor.
564
00:28:40,755 --> 00:28:44,824
[Bleep]
565
00:28:44,831 --> 00:28:47,282
To this day, this case is still open.
566
00:28:47,287 --> 00:28:48,953
Oh.
567
00:28:48,958 --> 00:28:50,291
- Interesting.
- Okay.
568
00:28:50,294 --> 00:28:52,561
So this is what you might have seen.
569
00:28:52,566 --> 00:28:54,933
Well, I might have been duped again.
570
00:28:54,939 --> 00:28:57,272
I'm pissed. Okay.
571
00:28:57,277 --> 00:28:58,476
What do you mean?
572
00:28:58,479 --> 00:29:02,915
The first guy that I
really was involved with,
573
00:29:02,923 --> 00:29:06,074
he was extremely articulate,
very well educated.
574
00:29:06,081 --> 00:29:09,466
He stated that he was a doctor.
575
00:29:09,472 --> 00:29:12,573
At first, I kind of had an...
an affinity for him.
576
00:29:12,579 --> 00:29:16,481
But that began to change when
he started acting strangely.
577
00:29:16,488 --> 00:29:20,357
When I was outside with
the mutilated woman,
578
00:29:20,365 --> 00:29:21,831
he looked at her.
579
00:29:21,835 --> 00:29:25,770
And then, he, like, went like, "Ah,"
580
00:29:25,777 --> 00:29:28,611
which I thought was very
strange at the time.
581
00:29:28,617 --> 00:29:30,651
But now that I think about it,
582
00:29:30,655 --> 00:29:33,522
something definitely was off about him.
583
00:29:33,528 --> 00:29:35,812
And now I'm just realizing.
584
00:29:35,817 --> 00:29:38,234
Holy [bleep]
585
00:29:41,881 --> 00:29:45,532
And then, I went up to the
back bedroom upstairs.
586
00:29:45,539 --> 00:29:47,856
That's Delani's room, I think.
587
00:29:47,861 --> 00:29:50,295
He thinks that room is his office.
588
00:29:50,301 --> 00:29:53,819
He doesn't want any living
people in his space.
589
00:29:53,825 --> 00:29:55,925
It really agitates him.
590
00:29:55,930 --> 00:30:01,534
And then, I did see that he
would possibly be seen as,
591
00:30:01,544 --> 00:30:06,030
like, a shadowy figure.
592
00:30:06,038 --> 00:30:09,506
Explain to Amy how she sees
a dark shadow in her room.
593
00:30:09,512 --> 00:30:11,379
JOAN: She'll be laying in bed.
594
00:30:11,384 --> 00:30:13,917
And sometimes, she'll look at her doorway,
595
00:30:13,922 --> 00:30:16,356
- and he'll be standing there.
- Okay.
596
00:30:16,361 --> 00:30:19,679
She has seen him multiple times.
597
00:30:19,686 --> 00:30:21,002
The scratches Delani has.
598
00:30:21,006 --> 00:30:24,141
I got a photo here I want to show you.
599
00:30:24,147 --> 00:30:25,846
This is on her lower back.
600
00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:27,583
- You took this photo, correct?
- Yeah.
601
00:30:27,587 --> 00:30:30,305
Oh, my gosh.
602
00:30:30,311 --> 00:30:33,962
Could this doctor do that to her?
603
00:30:33,969 --> 00:30:36,170
I think it's possible, yeah.
604
00:30:43,024 --> 00:30:45,224
So, what else did you see?
605
00:30:45,229 --> 00:30:47,863
I went out into the backyard,
606
00:30:47,868 --> 00:30:52,104
and I saw this weird dead person.
607
00:30:52,112 --> 00:30:55,446
He was, like, half-man and half-wolf.
608
00:30:55,453 --> 00:30:59,255
He does feed off the
energy of the human heart.
609
00:30:59,262 --> 00:31:00,728
It's almost like a battery to him.
610
00:31:00,732 --> 00:31:03,500
So he gets, like, charged up.
611
00:31:03,505 --> 00:31:06,405
He likes to make people become, like, numb,
612
00:31:06,411 --> 00:31:09,813
so they lose their legs
kind of out from under them.
613
00:31:09,820 --> 00:31:12,521
Um, and that way, it disables them.
614
00:31:12,526 --> 00:31:15,093
They'll fall down, and
he can try to, like,
615
00:31:15,099 --> 00:31:17,032
get as much energy from the heart.
616
00:31:17,036 --> 00:31:19,370
But his goal isn't to kill anybody
617
00:31:19,376 --> 00:31:22,694
because that's his, like, food source.
618
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:23,832
You might as well tell her, Joan,
619
00:31:23,835 --> 00:31:26,669
what happened to you with the stairs.
620
00:31:26,675 --> 00:31:29,810
The first time I fell down the stairs,
621
00:31:29,816 --> 00:31:31,899
my legs went out from under me.
622
00:31:31,904 --> 00:31:35,105
The second time, I was pushed.
623
00:31:35,112 --> 00:31:37,780
Wow.
624
00:31:37,785 --> 00:31:40,085
[Crying]
625
00:31:43,164 --> 00:31:45,381
Four years ago, she had a heart attack.
626
00:31:45,386 --> 00:31:46,802
STEVE: Really?
627
00:31:46,806 --> 00:31:49,306
Oh, yeah.
628
00:31:49,311 --> 00:31:52,296
I was down in the basement,
and I felt like I...
629
00:31:52,302 --> 00:31:54,285
I couldn't breathe.
630
00:31:54,290 --> 00:31:57,124
And it just felt like the life
was getting sucked out of me,
631
00:31:57,130 --> 00:31:59,597
and I couldn't get up.
632
00:31:59,602 --> 00:32:01,168
Oh, my gosh.
633
00:32:01,172 --> 00:32:02,872
How come you didn't tell me about that?
634
00:32:02,877 --> 00:32:05,411
I didn't know that that would have anything
635
00:32:05,416 --> 00:32:06,815
- to do...
- Right.
636
00:32:06,819 --> 00:32:08,669
With what was going on with the house.
637
00:32:08,673 --> 00:32:12,075
Nobody knew.
638
00:32:12,082 --> 00:32:14,616
Nobody but him and my kids.
639
00:32:14,621 --> 00:32:16,804
Did you ever have any heart
issues before you moved here?
640
00:32:16,809 --> 00:32:18,809
- No.
- No.
641
00:32:21,403 --> 00:32:22,702
I knew it.
642
00:32:25,296 --> 00:32:28,064
The interesting part is that
Joan isn't the only person
643
00:32:28,069 --> 00:32:30,069
to take a bad fall down those steps.
644
00:32:30,074 --> 00:32:33,342
The previous homeowner,
a woman named Mary Vlosich,
645
00:32:33,348 --> 00:32:35,197
she was 95 years old.
646
00:32:35,202 --> 00:32:38,754
And in 2003, the neighbors
noticed that she wasn't around
647
00:32:38,761 --> 00:32:40,994
and her mail was not being taken in.
648
00:32:40,998 --> 00:32:42,865
So, when the police finally came,
649
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:44,970
uh, they found Mary Vlosich at the bottom
650
00:32:44,975 --> 00:32:47,459
- of the basement staircase...
- Wow.
651
00:32:47,464 --> 00:32:49,814
Where she laid for almost three days.
652
00:32:49,819 --> 00:32:52,153
This is her obituary.
653
00:32:52,158 --> 00:32:54,392
She died a couple days later
654
00:32:54,397 --> 00:32:56,397
from the injuries that she
sustained during the fall.
655
00:32:56,402 --> 00:32:58,135
Now, she's 95. You figure, all right.
656
00:32:58,139 --> 00:32:59,838
She... she fell.
657
00:32:59,843 --> 00:33:01,309
But I talked to the nephew.
658
00:33:01,313 --> 00:33:04,915
Apparently, even at that age,
she was independent and sharp.
659
00:33:04,921 --> 00:33:06,437
I just find it interesting that she falls
660
00:33:06,441 --> 00:33:09,192
down the same staircase
that you fall down twice.
661
00:33:09,198 --> 00:33:10,264
Right.
662
00:33:10,268 --> 00:33:11,767
Interesting.
663
00:33:11,771 --> 00:33:13,471
You still skeptical?
664
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,630
My wheels are turning.
665
00:33:21,961 --> 00:33:24,044
There's another person that I encountered,
666
00:33:24,049 --> 00:33:26,400
and this woman is the one
667
00:33:26,405 --> 00:33:29,005
who is causing the most problems here.
668
00:33:29,011 --> 00:33:31,679
She was crawling up the stairs.
669
00:33:31,684 --> 00:33:33,283
I saw a lot of blood.
670
00:33:33,287 --> 00:33:35,387
Then, when she was up in the hallway,
671
00:33:35,392 --> 00:33:38,410
I saw that somebody broke her neck,
672
00:33:38,416 --> 00:33:42,635
and that is probably what killed her.
673
00:33:42,643 --> 00:33:45,494
Her murderer was a male.
674
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:49,352
And now she really dislikes men a lot.
675
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:53,794
She expressed the desire for,
you know, all men to die.
676
00:33:57,678 --> 00:34:02,915
But then, I went down to the basement,
677
00:34:02,924 --> 00:34:08,177
and she, uh, was there.
678
00:34:08,186 --> 00:34:11,337
And she's very focused on a living woman.
679
00:34:11,343 --> 00:34:15,946
Um, there's some kind of attachment there.
680
00:34:15,954 --> 00:34:19,288
And what the dead woman is actually doing
681
00:34:19,295 --> 00:34:21,729
is trying to jump you,
682
00:34:21,734 --> 00:34:24,168
which is trying to take over your body.
683
00:34:24,173 --> 00:34:27,991
But she's also very bad at it.
684
00:34:27,998 --> 00:34:32,317
So this can cause, uh, you to be sick.
685
00:34:32,325 --> 00:34:39,013
It can cause cellular issues,
possibly causing tumors.
686
00:34:39,024 --> 00:34:40,774
Oh, God.
687
00:34:43,618 --> 00:34:46,586
I've been in the hospital how many times?
688
00:34:46,592 --> 00:34:47,991
Five, six.
689
00:34:47,995 --> 00:34:51,263
Nobody can figure out what's
going on in your ribs.
690
00:34:51,269 --> 00:34:53,903
The only answer that we ever get is,
it's all inflamed.
691
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:55,375
All her ribs are inflamed.
692
00:34:55,379 --> 00:34:56,628
Or her gall bladder is inflamed.
693
00:34:56,632 --> 00:34:58,499
Her intestines are inflamed.
694
00:34:58,503 --> 00:35:01,938
But they'll shrug their shoulders,
don't know.
695
00:35:01,945 --> 00:35:04,395
The pain is just so bad.
696
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,085
I told my husband.
I said, "All's I want to do
697
00:35:08,092 --> 00:35:10,342
is just have another heart
attack and be done with this.
698
00:35:10,347 --> 00:35:11,547
I can't do it no more."
699
00:35:11,551 --> 00:35:14,585
Uhh...
700
00:35:19,820 --> 00:35:22,504
So the... the other thing is,
701
00:35:22,509 --> 00:35:27,712
any time the dead woman was
around the living woman,
702
00:35:27,721 --> 00:35:32,891
it would trigger her to open and,
like, see things.
703
00:35:34,704 --> 00:35:36,370
STEVE: Like what?
704
00:35:36,375 --> 00:35:37,708
So I had a sketch done
705
00:35:37,711 --> 00:35:43,047
of what I think she sees when she's in bed.
706
00:35:49,773 --> 00:35:52,707
[Bleep]
707
00:35:52,713 --> 00:35:54,563
Are you ready for this?
708
00:36:01,333 --> 00:36:05,769
[Crying]
709
00:36:22,686 --> 00:36:24,736
AMY: So I had a sketch done
710
00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:28,158
of what I think she sees when she's in bed.
711
00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:36,428
Oh [bleep]
712
00:36:36,434 --> 00:36:38,184
Are you ready for this?
713
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:49,091
[Crying]
714
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:59,915
She's woken up and seen
shadows around her bed.
715
00:36:59,922 --> 00:37:02,940
And I've been telling you,
"This house is making me sick,
716
00:37:02,946 --> 00:37:04,812
and I hate the basement."
717
00:37:04,817 --> 00:37:06,650
I've been telling you, "It's the house.
718
00:37:06,654 --> 00:37:11,340
It's the house. It's that [bleep] house."
719
00:37:14,340 --> 00:37:15,656
Why are they around my bed?
720
00:37:15,659 --> 00:37:18,993
What do they want? They want help.
721
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,853
What I've seen is when
someone kills someone
722
00:37:23,861 --> 00:37:25,411
and they're still alive,
723
00:37:25,415 --> 00:37:30,017
those people that that person murdered wait.
724
00:37:30,025 --> 00:37:32,960
They're always around that person.
725
00:37:32,966 --> 00:37:38,002
When that person dies,
the victims are there.
726
00:37:38,011 --> 00:37:39,577
Waiting on the person who killed them.
727
00:37:39,581 --> 00:37:41,014
Yes.
728
00:37:41,018 --> 00:37:43,018
[Sighs]
729
00:37:43,023 --> 00:37:45,657
So it's my belief that
this dead woman is here
730
00:37:45,662 --> 00:37:48,196
because you have abilities.
731
00:37:48,202 --> 00:37:56,074
And that's what attracted her to you.
732
00:37:56,086 --> 00:38:00,656
Unfortunately, this dead woman, I believe,
733
00:38:00,664 --> 00:38:05,500
was a victim of this serial-killing doctor.
734
00:38:05,509 --> 00:38:08,159
And due to that, um,
735
00:38:08,164 --> 00:38:14,085
she has this attachment to him
as well as many other victims.
736
00:38:14,095 --> 00:38:17,413
So they're all webbed together.
737
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:21,772
So what the dead lady would like to do
738
00:38:21,780 --> 00:38:24,031
is take over your body
739
00:38:24,036 --> 00:38:27,987
so that she can be essentially alive again.
740
00:38:31,987 --> 00:38:35,004
What would she be able
to do if she did that?
741
00:38:35,010 --> 00:38:37,144
There would be aggressive behavior,
probably,
742
00:38:37,149 --> 00:38:39,449
towards the men in the household.
743
00:38:39,454 --> 00:38:41,354
She would probably try to torture the men
744
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:43,393
in the household.
745
00:38:43,397 --> 00:38:46,047
You know, she wants men to die.
746
00:38:49,812 --> 00:38:52,579
Well, after our investigation,
we learned two things.
747
00:38:52,585 --> 00:38:54,519
You're not crazy,
748
00:38:54,523 --> 00:38:58,007
and you and your son may be in danger.
749
00:38:58,014 --> 00:39:00,231
But we still haven't
answered the big question.
750
00:39:00,236 --> 00:39:02,253
Can you get whatever is here the hell out
751
00:39:02,258 --> 00:39:04,842
and live a normal life
with your family again?
752
00:39:04,847 --> 00:39:09,483
For that, I'm going to turn
it over to my partner, Amy.
753
00:39:09,491 --> 00:39:13,109
The situation here is
that it's not the house.
754
00:39:13,116 --> 00:39:18,069
It's the unfortunate proximity
to some of these murders.
755
00:39:18,078 --> 00:39:19,244
I want an individual
756
00:39:19,247 --> 00:39:22,849
who is a male and who practices witchcraft
757
00:39:22,856 --> 00:39:25,573
to do a ritual to push out the dead.
758
00:39:25,579 --> 00:39:28,547
And then, I want him to do a blessing.
759
00:39:28,553 --> 00:39:31,220
So once the witch comes in
and pushes the dead out,
760
00:39:31,225 --> 00:39:32,641
where are they going to go?
761
00:39:32,645 --> 00:39:36,514
They're going to go
outside of the perimeter.
762
00:39:36,521 --> 00:39:42,408
They want the doctor to be brought forward
763
00:39:42,418 --> 00:39:45,786
and to pay for what he did to them.
764
00:39:45,793 --> 00:39:48,310
Now, of course, him being deceased,
765
00:39:48,315 --> 00:39:52,901
the only way that he
can kind of pay for this
766
00:39:52,909 --> 00:39:56,160
and they can find vindication
767
00:39:56,167 --> 00:40:01,671
is that the public knows
this person was in fact bad.
768
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,198
After that, I want the witch
to take this tar water
769
00:40:05,205 --> 00:40:06,621
and take a dropper
770
00:40:06,625 --> 00:40:11,278
and put one drop in the
center of each room,
771
00:40:11,286 --> 00:40:16,372
then to go outside and do the
perimeter of the property.
772
00:40:16,381 --> 00:40:21,017
And just a drop every,
you know, several feet.
773
00:40:21,025 --> 00:40:24,994
No dead are going to
come in and bother you.
774
00:40:25,001 --> 00:40:28,569
So, once the witch comes in and does this,
775
00:40:28,576 --> 00:40:30,009
she'll feel better?
776
00:40:30,013 --> 00:40:31,479
Oh, yeah.
777
00:40:31,483 --> 00:40:32,515
All the stuff that...
778
00:40:32,518 --> 00:40:33,517
The shadow figures they're seeing?
779
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,886
Right.
780
00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:36,123
Sounds like you're going to be okay.
781
00:40:40,102 --> 00:40:44,788
He wasn't believing,
and I thought I was going crazy.
782
00:40:47,838 --> 00:40:49,821
This is happening to her.
783
00:40:49,825 --> 00:40:53,694
You have to respect that
and just be compassionate.
784
00:40:53,701 --> 00:40:55,400
Just be there with love.
785
00:40:55,405 --> 00:40:56,871
At the same time,
786
00:40:56,875 --> 00:41:00,277
you have to respect that and be like,
"That's who he is.
787
00:41:00,283 --> 00:41:02,483
He's not having this experience.
788
00:41:02,488 --> 00:41:05,155
He can't see what I'm going through."
789
00:41:05,161 --> 00:41:08,830
So, you have to meet in the middle.
790
00:41:08,837 --> 00:41:11,087
When I'm up all night
791
00:41:11,092 --> 00:41:15,044
being agitated sometimes by this
792
00:41:15,051 --> 00:41:16,484
and I don't sleep all night
793
00:41:16,488 --> 00:41:18,955
and I'm thinking I'm crazy at the time,
794
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,078
just tell me it's going
to be okay and just...
795
00:41:22,084 --> 00:41:25,135
just hug me, and that's it.
796
00:41:25,141 --> 00:41:27,708
I... I know you don't understand
because you don't see it.
797
00:41:27,714 --> 00:41:32,467
I know that, but just believe
me because I'm your wife.
798
00:41:32,475 --> 00:41:33,557
I do. I believe you.
799
00:41:33,561 --> 00:41:35,277
Just believe... you believe me now.
800
00:41:35,281 --> 00:41:38,032
No. I've always believed you.
801
00:41:38,038 --> 00:41:40,705
Are you going to contact a
male witch and get this done?
802
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:42,277
Absolutely, I am.
803
00:41:42,281 --> 00:41:43,413
Okay.
804
00:41:43,417 --> 00:41:45,617
I mean, whatever it takes.
Because, I... I mean,
805
00:41:45,622 --> 00:41:48,056
I want everything back the way it was.
806
00:41:50,166 --> 00:41:53,167
AMY: With all of the dead
inside this location,
807
00:41:53,173 --> 00:41:57,042
Joan and John have their
work cut out for them.
808
00:41:57,049 --> 00:41:59,099
But I believe that if they work together,
809
00:41:59,104 --> 00:42:01,521
they'll be able to free
themselves of the evil
810
00:42:01,526 --> 00:42:03,326
that's tormenting their family.
811
00:42:03,376 --> 00:42:07,926
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