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These tricksters are awful... awful, awful.
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I saw three shadow figures
here at the foot of the bed.
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They're making them see things,
hear things, feel things.
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She found him hanging from the rafters.
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Something just goes "Boom!"
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This is some bizarre [bleep]
you guys are talking about.
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Ohh.
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I don't know what to trust.
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He's making me crazy.
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Something bad's going to happen.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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There's panic.
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And it's almost like a butchering.
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I see dead people.
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They all died horribly.
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I speak to dead people.
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Get out of here.
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And they speak to me.
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Vicious.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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It doesn't matter where you are.
I'll find you.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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This guy's a real piece of work.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I feel like I live in a house of Hell.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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This is not good.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end...
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I want my life back.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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- Is he trying to kill her?
- [Sobs]
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Or time to get out.
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Oh, my god.
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This is going to kill us.
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[Wind whistling]
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[Bird cawing]
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I'm in the rural town of Independence,
Oregon.
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It's about an hour south of Portland.
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I got called in by a guy named Terry,
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who sounded really desperate on the phone.
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He says the activity in
his farmhouse is so bad,
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it's destroying his health
and his relationship.
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He says if we can't help him,
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he doesn't think he's
gonna last another year.
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MATTHEW: Before Amy arrives,
I clear the house
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of anything that might
influence her findings.
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Photos need to be removed...
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and personal items covered.
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When I'm finished,
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the location will be
ready for tonight's walk.
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[Bird screeches]
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Okay. Okay.
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I had a really hard time opening.
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The thing was, was that there were,
like, these tricksters.
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They are treacherous... thieves and liars.
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They're creating illusions,
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and they are going into people's dreams.
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What the [bleep]
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They're having bad, horrible dreams.
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This is not good.
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[Metal creaking]
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STEVE: Terry, I'm glad I'm here,
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'cause when we spoke on the phone,
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you sounded pretty desperate.
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What exactly is going on in the house?
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Oh, gosh. We hear voices.
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There's full-body apparitions.
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I've been chased down the hallway.
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I just feel like something's here
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trying to suck the life out of me.
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Wow.
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So, who exactly lives in the house?
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Me, my partner, Bobby,
and my grandson, Ashton.
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I think it's now starting
after my grandson.
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All right.
So, how long have you been living here?
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We've been here four years.
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What made you come here?
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With my parents being elderly,
Bobby and I decided
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that it would probably be
best if we moved down here
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to help take care of
the farm and my parents.
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Okay. So, did you grow up in this house?
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No. This house has been moved here.
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We had an old farmhouse over
there that I grew up in.
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Okay.
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Things have progressively gotten
worse over this last year.
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I've been attacked in my bed.
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I'm getting no sleep... none.
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I get very irritable
when my anxiety goes up.
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I know on the phone, when we spoke,
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it seems like your
relationship's a little strained
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because of this stuff that's going on.
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It is a little strained.
I don't want to be bothered.
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I just kind of want to be alone,
and that's not me at all.
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Now, what about your grandson?
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He is so scared,
he won't go to the bath alone.
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He doesn't want to sleep alone.
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[Sniffles]
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[Voice breaking] I'm sorry.
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I don't know how to protect my family.
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Yeah.
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I am at my wits' end.
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What the hell?
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There's a man...
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Oh, a living dude.
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He's just, like, barreling through here
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and yelling and screaming.
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And he's got brown hair.
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Kind of got a round face,
kind of a roundish face.
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Kind of, like, always a mess.
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MATTHEW: How old?
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Probably in his early 40s.
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Okay.
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Not a happy person.
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Okay, now I'm seeing a bunch of [bleep]
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I think there's a [bleep] telepath here
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who is inadvertently
manipulating their environment.
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How?
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Like, the living people here
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are seeing things that aren't really there.
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He's making me crazy.
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TERRY: One of my very first
really scary experiences
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happened here.
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I used to have a mirror
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that hung in my bedroom at
the end of this hallway,
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and I was coming through one afternoon
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with a load of towels from the laundry,
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and I just got this overwhelming feeling
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that somebody was behind me.
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And as I happened to
look up down the hallway
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and into that mirror,
I saw an old man behind me,
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I would say probably in his 70s.
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He was kind of see-through,
more of, like, a gray thing,
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and he was coming behind
me down the hallway.
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I ran and slammed the
bedroom door behind me.
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Could it have been an intruder
or anything like that?
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No.
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I open the door back up...
There's nothing here.
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Interesting. Okay,
so what else is going on in this hallway?
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I hear women's voices
out in the living room.
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It's like a murmuring.
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You just kind of hear...
[Imitating murmuring]
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That's annoying.
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Very.
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How many people would you think it is?
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Probably three to four.
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Do you go investigate?
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Yes, I usually get up.
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There have been times I've
been kind of confrontational.
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And what have you said?
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"Get out of my house."
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And what happens?
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It makes it worse.
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They're bullying me.
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I never had circles under my eyes
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until I came back here
and moved into this house.
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Okay.
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[Exhales sharply]
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Oh, boy.
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These, like, trickster things...
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there's a lot of them... a lot of them.
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How many?
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50?
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But I don't know if I'm...
seeing the truth.
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These tricksters are incredibly
good at distorting reality.
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Between them and the telepathy,
the living must be going insane.
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They'll feed into the
person's paranoias and fears.
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They can reach in and pull out past traumas
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and make it a fresh issue for them,
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and they, like, overanalyze it
and analyze it and analyze it,
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talking, talking, talking,
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and it's like feeding it
more and more and more.
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One night,
I woke up and I saw three shadow figures
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down here at the foot of the bed
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that I would say were
probably about this tall
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and looked like black blobs...
kind of human shape.
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I freaked out, jumped up out of bed,
and I ran out.
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I was scared to death.
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You're sure there's no shadows
coming in from outside?
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Those are block-out curtains,
and they're closed.
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Huh.
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Actually, after we had called you,
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the other night,
I got attacked in my bed again.
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I was watching TV.
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I rolled over to grab
the remote, and again,
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there was a large shadow
figure standing over me,
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leaning in the bed.
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I started swinging.
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I thought maybe somebody
had broken into the house.
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And it just disappeared.
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When you said you were desperate,
you weren't kidding.
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No. It feels like I'm being tortured.
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I feel sick... horrible,
horrible [bleep] sick in here.
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Awful, awful, awful.
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These tricksters,
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they are causing their own mayhem here.
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- [Groans]
- MATTHEW: Are you okay?
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They're [bleep] with me.
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Real physical. Okay [bleep]
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Ah. Come on. Come on.
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[Inhales sharply]
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They come. They come. They come.
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And they do. They surround...
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They do... They do it...
They'll surround any bed
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that has a living person in them at night.
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They're like this big, and they're black...
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you know, black humanoid figures.
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And they all are standing together.
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They come in the front door.
They crawl out of the closets.
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They're attracted to the
negativity in this house.
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They're having a good time feeding this.
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It's not like they're like,
"I'm gonna kill this person,
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but if something happens, great.
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That would be [bleep] entertaining."
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They're like, "Yeah, let's keep this going.
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Let's do this!"
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STEVE: Terry mentioned to me
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about his short tempers, his mood swings.
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Have you noticed what he's talking about?
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Yeah.
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In the beginning,
when we first got together,
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he was so lovable and just happy.
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Just watching somebody go downhill,
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you don't want to see it.
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And there's a couple of times
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where I've actually, like,
wanted to just walk away.
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Okay.
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Now, what about yourself?
What have you experienced?
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I have seen something that
actually terrifies me.
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Okay.
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It's a little shadow figure.
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It's probably about 2 feet tall,
about up to your knee,
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and it peeks around the corner at you.
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It's got kind of like a troll-
or gremlin-looking shape to it,
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with pointed ears.
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You don't think it's any kind of
an animal or anything like that?
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You sure of that?
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It's too big to be any kind of rodent.
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Okay.
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And you would have heard it
if it was some animal, huh?
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Yeah. There's no sound to it.
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Is there anything else going on?
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I saw this little fawn
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actually hop through the
back window in the bedroom,
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and it went through the bedroom
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and then took off down the hallway.
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You're talking about a baby deer?
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Yeah.
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This is some bizarre [bleep]
you guys are talking about.
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I haven't heard this
much stuff in one house.
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I thought I was going crazy at one point.
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- Were you boozing?
- No. I don't drink.
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You don't drink? All right. Any drugs?
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Nope.
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I have no idea what that could have been.
260
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You can see why I thought
I was going crazy.
261
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AMY: I'm having a lot of issues
262
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trying to figure out what
is really going on here.
263
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But these tricksters...
They are causing issues.
264
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Like, there's infinite possibilities
265
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of how they can manipulate the living
266
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into making them, you know,
behave in a certain way
267
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or, you know, see things,
hear things, feel things.
268
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They're causing, you know, fighting.
269
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They'll pit people against
each other so they'll fight.
270
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They'll cause a lot of arguments and anger.
271
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One person will hear the
other person talking to them,
272
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but it's not them.
273
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They manipulate dreams.
274
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They are making it a very negative,
volatile situation.
275
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And they are really feeding at night.
276
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So, Ashton, I talked to Grandpa,
277
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and he's worried about you.
278
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He wanted me to talk to you.
279
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How old are you, exactly?
280
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7.
281
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7? Okay.
282
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Do you see anything in the
house that frightens you?
283
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Tell me about that.
284
00:14:05,623 --> 00:14:09,041
I saw something come through the closet...
285
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the closet in that room.
286
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It was like red eyes,
287
00:14:14,334 --> 00:14:16,901
and it was like a demon or something.
288
00:14:18,339 --> 00:14:21,240
And it came on my side of the bed,
289
00:14:21,243 --> 00:14:25,078
and I felt something
tickling me right here.
290
00:14:25,081 --> 00:14:27,315
Are you afraid to stay here?
291
00:14:28,854 --> 00:14:30,153
You are?
292
00:14:30,155 --> 00:14:32,872
Why are you afraid? Tell me.
293
00:14:32,875 --> 00:14:37,928
Because I see stuff moving in
the hallway and the bathroom.
294
00:14:37,932 --> 00:14:39,465
What are you seeing?
295
00:14:39,468 --> 00:14:42,136
All night, I see, like, a tall man.
296
00:14:42,138 --> 00:14:45,105
I stay up almost all night.
297
00:14:50,149 --> 00:14:54,885
The little trickster dudes
are different in here.
298
00:14:54,889 --> 00:14:57,923
They're more active in here
as far as what they do.
299
00:15:00,763 --> 00:15:01,829
[Inhales sharply]
300
00:15:01,831 --> 00:15:04,965
Here, they're more aggressive.
301
00:15:04,969 --> 00:15:06,936
They're, like, jumping on the bed
302
00:15:06,938 --> 00:15:09,589
like they're having a good time,
303
00:15:09,592 --> 00:15:11,942
barking and growling.
304
00:15:11,945 --> 00:15:12,944
[Growling]
305
00:15:12,946 --> 00:15:16,114
And I see, like...
306
00:15:16,117 --> 00:15:18,951
I see somebody's in there.
Somebody's in the bed.
307
00:15:21,775 --> 00:15:23,758
And they're trying to relax.
308
00:15:23,761 --> 00:15:25,427
They're seeing, like...
309
00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:26,796
[Imitates whooshing]
310
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Like, um...
311
00:15:29,235 --> 00:15:31,469
Uh, like, all this movement, like lights...
312
00:15:32,439 --> 00:15:36,174
and, like, you know, black,
streaky things and lights
313
00:15:36,178 --> 00:15:38,078
and, like, all this chaos.
314
00:15:39,549 --> 00:15:42,851
And they're just like, "Oh, man.
This is really bad."
315
00:15:57,204 --> 00:15:58,903
Terry and Bobby have no clue
316
00:15:58,906 --> 00:16:00,756
about the history of their house,
317
00:16:00,758 --> 00:16:02,057
so I pulled the property deed
318
00:16:02,060 --> 00:16:04,027
and asked a local historian that I know
319
00:16:04,029 --> 00:16:05,762
to look through some of the names.
320
00:16:05,765 --> 00:16:08,766
Turns out the original property owner
321
00:16:08,769 --> 00:16:09,935
was publicly disgraced
322
00:16:09,937 --> 00:16:12,137
and had to leave Independence in shame.
323
00:16:16,447 --> 00:16:18,613
Well, Diane,
I appreciate you helping me out.
324
00:16:18,616 --> 00:16:21,000
So, what can you tell me
about this guy Alva Shaw,
325
00:16:21,002 --> 00:16:23,119
who originally owned my clients' property?
326
00:16:23,122 --> 00:16:26,740
He was born in New York about 1819,
327
00:16:26,743 --> 00:16:28,561
and he came to Oregon in 1844.
328
00:16:28,662 --> 00:16:30,191
Okay. So, what did he do when he got here?
329
00:16:30,292 --> 00:16:33,126
He was appointed by the governor
to be the superintendent
330
00:16:33,129 --> 00:16:35,196
of the state penitentiary in Portland.
331
00:16:35,198 --> 00:16:38,727
Okay, I mean,
that's a pretty prestigious job
332
00:16:38,829 --> 00:16:39,595
and powerful job.
333
00:16:39,695 --> 00:16:41,028
- He's got to have a lot of connections.
- He did.
334
00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:42,175
How'd it work out?
335
00:16:42,276 --> 00:16:44,434
Of the 154 prisoners
336
00:16:44,535 --> 00:16:47,469
that were sent to the
prison during his term,
337
00:16:47,472 --> 00:16:51,174
44 of them escaped,
and only 13 were recaptured.
338
00:16:51,633 --> 00:16:52,966
So 1/3 of his prisoners escaped?
339
00:16:52,969 --> 00:16:54,919
Yes. He was blamed for that.
340
00:16:54,921 --> 00:16:55,936
Okay.
341
00:17:03,849 --> 00:17:05,749
AMY: As soon as I walk outside,
342
00:17:05,752 --> 00:17:08,586
it's like a haze has been lifted off of me,
343
00:17:08,589 --> 00:17:10,956
and I'm able to see clearly again,
344
00:17:10,959 --> 00:17:14,127
and there's someone here,
watching my every move.
345
00:17:14,130 --> 00:17:20,701
I think that he's a dead man...
a very powerful man.
346
00:17:20,705 --> 00:17:26,643
I think he had a lot of power
that was placed upon him,
347
00:17:26,648 --> 00:17:29,415
a lot of strength, a lot of determination,
348
00:17:29,417 --> 00:17:31,517
a lot of authority, and I think that's why
349
00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,388
he's so capable of manifesting this way.
350
00:17:37,295 --> 00:17:39,328
MATTHEW: Do you know when he's from?
351
00:17:39,331 --> 00:17:40,747
80 to 100 years ago?
352
00:17:40,749 --> 00:17:41,765
Okay.
353
00:17:41,768 --> 00:17:44,402
Do people experience him in any way?
354
00:17:44,405 --> 00:17:46,805
I would assume so,
355
00:17:46,808 --> 00:17:49,709
'cause he does have a
thing with the tricksters.
356
00:17:50,613 --> 00:17:53,497
You know,
the only thing I could possibly say
357
00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:56,184
is that he would be some kind of leader.
358
00:17:57,155 --> 00:17:59,305
Now, you mentioned this
guy had a bad go of things.
359
00:17:59,308 --> 00:18:00,891
- What are we talking about?
- He did.
360
00:18:00,894 --> 00:18:05,029
He had a very bad go of things,
starting in August 1866.
361
00:18:05,032 --> 00:18:08,901
First thing that happened is
his mother died... Hannah Shaw.
362
00:18:08,904 --> 00:18:10,370
Okay.
363
00:18:10,373 --> 00:18:14,442
She died on August 12th,
and she was 71 years old.
364
00:18:14,445 --> 00:18:16,578
And she was buried on your clients'
property.
365
00:18:16,581 --> 00:18:18,314
- She's buried on the property?
- Yes.
366
00:18:18,317 --> 00:18:21,352
Eight days after his mom dies,
367
00:18:21,355 --> 00:18:24,372
he hands in his resignation
as superintendent,
368
00:18:24,375 --> 00:18:26,792
effective at the end of the month.
369
00:18:26,795 --> 00:18:29,062
So, did his mom dying have
anything to do with him resigning?
370
00:18:29,065 --> 00:18:30,398
You know, it's possible.
371
00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,235
With just four days left in
his term would come the event
372
00:18:34,238 --> 00:18:37,840
that would drive him out
of Independence forever.
373
00:18:37,844 --> 00:18:40,177
On August 27th, he's taken hostage
374
00:18:40,179 --> 00:18:44,882
with two of his employees by nine prisoners
375
00:18:44,886 --> 00:18:46,552
and were going to use them as shields
376
00:18:46,555 --> 00:18:47,655
to get out of the prison.
377
00:18:47,657 --> 00:18:49,590
And as they're marching,
378
00:18:49,593 --> 00:18:51,826
seeing that something needed to be done,
379
00:18:51,829 --> 00:18:54,563
Shaw grabs ahold of a fence,
380
00:18:54,566 --> 00:18:57,367
and it breaks the momentum of the escape,
381
00:18:57,370 --> 00:19:00,672
and the guards are able
to shoot at the prisoners.
382
00:19:00,675 --> 00:19:02,257
That's a pretty ballsy move on his part.
383
00:19:02,259 --> 00:19:05,110
It was, and one of the prisoners is killed,
384
00:19:05,113 --> 00:19:08,615
and eight of them escape,
although five are recaptured.
385
00:19:08,618 --> 00:19:10,384
The hostage standoff was big news.
386
00:19:10,387 --> 00:19:13,171
Here's an article about it that
was in the local newspaper.
387
00:19:14,393 --> 00:19:16,276
All right.
388
00:19:16,278 --> 00:19:19,029
So, it sounds like this guy
finally did something right.
389
00:19:19,032 --> 00:19:21,399
The public didn't see it that way.
390
00:19:21,402 --> 00:19:24,970
In this editorial,
they blame him for the escape.
391
00:19:24,973 --> 00:19:26,690
They say that he was too liberal,
392
00:19:26,693 --> 00:19:29,260
that he left the shackles off the prisoners
393
00:19:29,263 --> 00:19:31,347
when he should have left them on,
394
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:33,566
that he didn't have adequate security.
395
00:19:33,568 --> 00:19:35,452
And after the escape,
396
00:19:35,455 --> 00:19:38,356
he feels like he's a
pariah in the community,
397
00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,559
and he sells the property that he has left,
398
00:19:40,562 --> 00:19:42,228
and he moves to California.
399
00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:44,397
Now, how old was he when he died?
400
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,499
He was about 64.
401
00:19:45,502 --> 00:19:46,701
So, what does he die of?
402
00:19:46,703 --> 00:19:47,836
We don't know.
403
00:19:47,838 --> 00:19:49,204
The obituary just says
404
00:19:49,207 --> 00:19:51,907
that he died of an illness
that lasted 13 hours.
405
00:19:51,910 --> 00:19:53,643
Oh. Okay.
406
00:19:55,315 --> 00:19:56,914
MATTHEW: Do you know how he died?
407
00:19:56,917 --> 00:19:59,551
It wasn't the way he expected or wanted.
408
00:19:59,553 --> 00:20:03,222
I think he would have liked
to go out in a blaze of glory.
409
00:20:06,530 --> 00:20:09,531
He's really affecting a large area,
you know?
410
00:20:09,534 --> 00:20:12,001
I don't think it's just that house.
411
00:20:12,004 --> 00:20:14,037
[ Woman screams]
412
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,126
I think he does go into homes,
413
00:20:18,129 --> 00:20:20,296
and I think he spies a lot.
414
00:20:22,284 --> 00:20:26,203
He might be attracted to that
negativity of the living.
415
00:20:26,207 --> 00:20:29,391
But I do feel like he has ill intent here.
416
00:20:43,685 --> 00:20:46,419
STEVE: So far, I know the previous
owner of my clients' property
417
00:20:46,422 --> 00:20:49,790
was run out of town and died
from a mysterious illness.
418
00:20:49,793 --> 00:20:51,293
But I need to see
419
00:20:51,296 --> 00:20:53,329
if there's anything else
that could help my case.
420
00:20:55,367 --> 00:20:56,867
Searching through old records,
421
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:59,137
I find a deadly fight between two neighbors
422
00:20:59,139 --> 00:21:02,073
right next to Terry and Bobby's property.
423
00:21:04,964 --> 00:21:06,847
I want to know more about this deadly feud,
424
00:21:06,849 --> 00:21:08,766
so I've reached out to
a local police sheriff
425
00:21:08,769 --> 00:21:10,052
to look into it for me,
426
00:21:10,054 --> 00:21:12,988
and he told me that this
was a controversial case
427
00:21:12,991 --> 00:21:15,358
and that it tore the community apart.
428
00:21:21,536 --> 00:21:23,669
STEVE: Well, Sheriff Wolfe,
thanks for meeting with me
429
00:21:23,672 --> 00:21:25,105
and helping me out with the case.
430
00:21:25,108 --> 00:21:26,774
The reason I got ahold of you is
431
00:21:26,776 --> 00:21:29,344
because of this article I
came across about a homicide
432
00:21:29,347 --> 00:21:31,347
that happened very close to my clients'
property.
433
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:33,917
This was a neighborhood
feud between two gentlemen,
434
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,154
O.P. Beardsley and T.L. Perryman.
435
00:21:37,157 --> 00:21:42,694
And in 1886,
we ended up with the first violent attack,
436
00:21:42,698 --> 00:21:46,600
and it was Perryman that ended up
437
00:21:46,603 --> 00:21:49,337
attacking Beardsley with a monkey wrench
438
00:21:49,340 --> 00:21:54,143
and caused a pretty
significant gash to him.
439
00:21:54,147 --> 00:21:59,550
And then, in 1888,
Beardsley is walking with a cane,
440
00:21:59,554 --> 00:22:03,323
and Perryman comes across
him and attacks him
441
00:22:03,326 --> 00:22:07,328
and actually breaks several of his ribs,
442
00:22:07,332 --> 00:22:12,168
puts a big gash on his head,
and dislocates an eye.
443
00:22:12,171 --> 00:22:13,470
Now, do we have any idea
444
00:22:13,473 --> 00:22:15,006
what the hell they were
fighting about to begin with?
445
00:22:15,008 --> 00:22:16,758
No one really seems to know.
446
00:22:16,761 --> 00:22:19,612
They just had a real
dislike for each other.
447
00:22:19,615 --> 00:22:21,948
All right, so, now we got this guy Perryman
448
00:22:21,951 --> 00:22:24,218
giving Beardsley two beatings already...
449
00:22:24,220 --> 00:22:25,887
bad beatings, it sounds like.
450
00:22:25,890 --> 00:22:26,922
Yes, very bad.
451
00:22:26,924 --> 00:22:28,257
But, according to the article,
452
00:22:28,260 --> 00:22:30,627
Perryman is the victim of the homicide,
453
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:32,213
so what happened?
454
00:22:32,215 --> 00:22:35,049
Well, March 14th of 1889...
455
00:22:35,052 --> 00:22:36,068
Okay.
456
00:22:36,071 --> 00:22:38,738
Perryman comes out
457
00:22:38,741 --> 00:22:41,775
and does a staredown with Beardsley,
458
00:22:41,778 --> 00:22:44,779
who is working on a fence
with some other folks.
459
00:22:44,782 --> 00:22:46,982
Thinking he might have
another beating coming,
460
00:22:46,985 --> 00:22:49,152
Beardsley ends up going to the house...
461
00:22:49,154 --> 00:22:50,787
Okay... and he gets a gun.
462
00:22:50,790 --> 00:22:54,425
Beardsley goes back outside,
and Beardsley shoots him.
463
00:22:54,428 --> 00:22:56,562
Just like that? There's no altercation?
464
00:22:56,565 --> 00:22:58,565
Just shoots him in the street.
465
00:22:58,568 --> 00:22:59,984
And, apparently, was shot
466
00:22:59,986 --> 00:23:03,287
once in the heart and once in the back.
467
00:23:03,290 --> 00:23:04,673
Oh, geez. Okay.
468
00:23:04,676 --> 00:23:05,808
So, what happens next?
469
00:23:05,810 --> 00:23:07,894
Oh, he turned himself in to the sheriff.
470
00:23:07,897 --> 00:23:09,296
Did it go to trial?
471
00:23:09,298 --> 00:23:10,347
Yes, it did.
472
00:23:10,350 --> 00:23:12,851
He was found not guilty and acquitted.
473
00:23:16,725 --> 00:23:17,974
How's this guy not guilty
474
00:23:17,976 --> 00:23:20,026
when he shoots a guy down in cold blood?
475
00:23:20,029 --> 00:23:22,530
A jury of his peers must have felt
476
00:23:22,533 --> 00:23:24,466
that he was defending himself.
477
00:23:28,674 --> 00:23:32,676
I'm feeling, like, an impact...
478
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:33,813
in my back.
479
00:23:33,815 --> 00:23:35,381
Uh...
480
00:23:35,384 --> 00:23:40,354
And it's like a wall,
like something just goes "Boom!"
481
00:23:41,225 --> 00:23:44,126
It was daytime.
It was the middle of the day.
482
00:23:44,129 --> 00:23:48,331
He's probably in his late 30s or early 40s.
483
00:23:48,334 --> 00:23:51,969
And it totally shocks him... like,
totally out of the blue.
484
00:23:55,278 --> 00:23:57,928
Terry mentioned that his
house was physically picked up
485
00:23:57,931 --> 00:23:59,114
and moved at one point.
486
00:23:59,116 --> 00:24:02,350
So I checked into it, and he's right.
487
00:24:02,353 --> 00:24:04,120
It was moved about 18 miles from here.
488
00:24:04,123 --> 00:24:06,390
I've reached out to an old friend of mine,
489
00:24:06,393 --> 00:24:09,110
Jeff Davis, who's an author,
and he said he's got information
490
00:24:09,112 --> 00:24:10,812
that will definitely help my case.
491
00:24:17,741 --> 00:24:19,741
All right, so, this is the property
492
00:24:19,743 --> 00:24:22,344
that the house I'm
investigating was moved from?
493
00:24:22,347 --> 00:24:24,247
Yes, it was built here and then moved
494
00:24:24,250 --> 00:24:27,251
about 17 or 18 miles to
where you first saw it.
495
00:24:27,254 --> 00:24:29,337
You had mentioned on the phone
496
00:24:29,340 --> 00:24:31,774
that the original owner of this land
497
00:24:31,776 --> 00:24:33,392
had an interesting story.
498
00:24:33,395 --> 00:24:35,696
Well, the original landowner
is a man named John Johnson.
499
00:24:35,699 --> 00:24:37,165
And there's his photo.
500
00:24:37,167 --> 00:24:40,568
And he settled here originally in 1845.
501
00:24:40,572 --> 00:24:43,206
And here's his house.
502
00:24:43,209 --> 00:24:45,009
So, what happens to this guy?
503
00:24:45,011 --> 00:24:48,145
He had tragedy after tragedy
for a period of about 15 years.
504
00:24:48,148 --> 00:24:50,899
Within hours of arriving on the property,
505
00:24:50,902 --> 00:24:53,002
his father died of pneumonia.
506
00:24:53,005 --> 00:24:54,922
Okay. So his father dies.
507
00:24:54,925 --> 00:24:56,524
- Yes.
- What else happened?
508
00:24:56,526 --> 00:24:58,026
And then in 1857,
509
00:24:58,029 --> 00:25:02,131
his 5-year-old nephew,
Persis, died of meningitis.
510
00:25:02,134 --> 00:25:06,169
And then three months later,
in January of 1858,
511
00:25:06,173 --> 00:25:08,340
his father-in-law, James Taylor, died,
512
00:25:08,342 --> 00:25:10,075
and he lived right next door.
513
00:25:10,078 --> 00:25:14,981
1865, one of his other nephews,
James, died of diphtheria.
514
00:25:14,985 --> 00:25:16,518
What a horrible death.
515
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,919
- Yeah.
- All right.
516
00:25:17,922 --> 00:25:19,922
So, now he's got all these
family members dying.
517
00:25:19,924 --> 00:25:21,024
Well, that's not all.
518
00:25:21,027 --> 00:25:25,095
On July 9, 1877, it was about 6:00 A.M.,
519
00:25:25,098 --> 00:25:27,832
and his wife called him.
520
00:25:27,835 --> 00:25:29,585
See, she was in the house,
521
00:25:29,588 --> 00:25:31,805
and he was out in the barn, doing chores.
522
00:25:31,808 --> 00:25:32,974
And so he didn't come,
523
00:25:32,976 --> 00:25:35,310
and so she went into the barn to find him,
524
00:25:35,313 --> 00:25:37,079
and that's when she found him
525
00:25:37,082 --> 00:25:38,782
actually hanging from the rafters.
526
00:25:40,019 --> 00:25:41,102
Why? For what reason?
527
00:25:41,104 --> 00:25:43,387
I don't know.
The family didn't know, either.
528
00:25:43,390 --> 00:25:45,991
Okay. So, 1877, he kills himself.
529
00:25:45,994 --> 00:25:47,493
How old is he at this point? He was 61.
530
00:25:47,495 --> 00:25:49,495
Now, let me ask you a question.
531
00:25:49,498 --> 00:25:51,231
Are any of them buried on the property?
532
00:25:51,234 --> 00:25:53,101
They're all buried here.
533
00:25:55,973 --> 00:25:57,740
[Groans]
534
00:25:57,743 --> 00:26:00,210
[Groans]
535
00:26:00,213 --> 00:26:02,580
Definitely a broken neck.
536
00:26:02,583 --> 00:26:04,750
Oh, this is bad.
537
00:26:04,752 --> 00:26:07,186
This is not done well.
538
00:26:12,229 --> 00:26:13,995
It's a male... old.
539
00:26:13,998 --> 00:26:15,198
Uh...
540
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,900
I'd say he's, like, in his 60s.
541
00:26:17,903 --> 00:26:19,870
He's white.
542
00:26:19,873 --> 00:26:22,374
I think... I don't know...
it might have been an accident.
543
00:26:22,376 --> 00:26:24,993
An accidental hanging?
544
00:26:27,649 --> 00:26:30,016
Um...
545
00:26:30,019 --> 00:26:33,154
Because it's so badly done.
546
00:26:40,534 --> 00:26:43,068
I saw several entities during my walk,
547
00:26:43,071 --> 00:26:46,689
but the group of tricksters
surrounding a living person
548
00:26:46,692 --> 00:26:48,342
had me the most concerned.
549
00:26:48,345 --> 00:26:52,914
They were probably about 3 or 4 feet tall.
550
00:26:52,917 --> 00:26:57,770
They had large heads, they're pitch-black,
551
00:26:57,774 --> 00:27:00,825
and they were all around the bed,
staring at the person.
552
00:27:05,334 --> 00:27:06,767
Is this what you saw?
553
00:27:06,769 --> 00:27:08,903
Yes, this is what I saw.
554
00:27:28,816 --> 00:27:31,450
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
555
00:27:31,453 --> 00:27:33,086
we're ready to reveal our findings
556
00:27:33,088 --> 00:27:36,290
to each other and our
clients for the first time.
557
00:27:36,294 --> 00:27:38,327
Amy, I'd like you to meet Terry,
558
00:27:38,329 --> 00:27:39,979
and this is his partner, Bobby.
559
00:27:39,982 --> 00:27:45,869
They live here with Terry's
7-year-old grandson, Ashton.
560
00:27:45,873 --> 00:27:46,872
Okay.
561
00:27:46,874 --> 00:27:49,341
Now, we've been doing investigations
562
00:27:49,344 --> 00:27:51,678
for quite a time now, but these guys have
563
00:27:51,681 --> 00:27:53,747
some of the wildest
stories I've ever heard.
564
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:56,251
They called us in
'cause they can't take it anymore.
565
00:27:56,254 --> 00:27:58,654
It's affecting their relationship,
Terry's health,
566
00:27:58,656 --> 00:28:00,923
and, most importantly,
it's affecting Ashton.
567
00:28:04,482 --> 00:28:06,031
How long have you lived here?
568
00:28:06,033 --> 00:28:07,967
About four years.
569
00:28:07,970 --> 00:28:10,470
Four years. When did the activity start?
570
00:28:10,473 --> 00:28:12,206
BOBBY: When we moved in.
571
00:28:14,211 --> 00:28:17,479
This was a very unusual walk.
572
00:28:17,482 --> 00:28:21,351
I've actually never encountered
anything quite like this.
573
00:28:21,354 --> 00:28:24,321
When I went into the house,
574
00:28:24,325 --> 00:28:27,627
I actually couldn't trust
anything I was seeing,
575
00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:32,349
anything I was hearing,
anything I was feeling.
576
00:28:32,352 --> 00:28:36,154
It was insane, really. It was insane.
577
00:28:38,511 --> 00:28:40,561
I'm gonna back up, though,
578
00:28:40,563 --> 00:28:44,482
and I'm gonna talk about
what I got outside first.
579
00:28:44,486 --> 00:28:46,736
I walked up the driveway,
580
00:28:46,738 --> 00:28:53,009
and there was this older man...
probably in his 60s.
581
00:28:53,014 --> 00:28:55,731
He was outside,
and he was getting down from something,
582
00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:58,602
and he hung himself.
583
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:05,610
But it was horribly done
and extremely painful.
584
00:29:05,614 --> 00:29:10,350
I can't believe she actually
saw something like this,
585
00:29:10,354 --> 00:29:11,687
because it didn't happen here.
586
00:29:11,689 --> 00:29:15,223
Their house was actually moved here... Oh.
587
00:29:15,226 --> 00:29:16,859
From about 18 miles away.
588
00:29:16,862 --> 00:29:18,028
Okay.
589
00:29:18,030 --> 00:29:21,198
This guy John Johnson lived on the property
590
00:29:21,202 --> 00:29:23,602
that the house came from.
591
00:29:23,604 --> 00:29:25,304
This is the farmland where he lived.
592
00:29:26,926 --> 00:29:28,843
Settled in 1851.
593
00:29:28,845 --> 00:29:31,946
Now, this guy had bad luck
from the minute he got there.
594
00:29:31,949 --> 00:29:33,615
His father died of pneumonia
595
00:29:33,618 --> 00:29:35,185
within hours of getting to the property,
596
00:29:35,187 --> 00:29:37,954
and then he lost a nephew,
his father-in-law,
597
00:29:37,957 --> 00:29:39,173
then another nephew.
598
00:29:39,176 --> 00:29:44,396
So, on July 9, 1877,
he goes out into the barn.
599
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,936
His wife goes to find
him, and he's hanging.
600
00:29:48,939 --> 00:29:50,305
He committed suicide.
601
00:29:52,611 --> 00:29:54,945
So, the guy you saw,
you said, was in his 60s.
602
00:29:54,947 --> 00:29:57,047
This guy Johnson died at the age of 61.
603
00:29:58,452 --> 00:30:01,153
Now, I was able to locate a photo of him.
604
00:30:03,659 --> 00:30:06,794
TERRY: Oh, my.
605
00:30:09,066 --> 00:30:11,333
[Breathes shakily]
606
00:30:11,336 --> 00:30:12,635
What's the matter?
607
00:30:12,638 --> 00:30:14,671
I've seen him.
608
00:30:14,673 --> 00:30:18,475
That's the old man from the hallway.
609
00:30:18,479 --> 00:30:22,081
I was in my house one day,
610
00:30:22,084 --> 00:30:25,285
and I just happened to
glance up in the mirror,
611
00:30:25,288 --> 00:30:26,521
and behind me...
612
00:30:27,525 --> 00:30:30,692
It looked just like him.
613
00:30:30,695 --> 00:30:33,997
And it looked like he was coming after me.
614
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,034
I ran down the hallway and
slammed the door behind me,
615
00:30:37,037 --> 00:30:38,403
it scared me so bad.
616
00:30:39,891 --> 00:30:41,808
Does this guy look familiar to you at all?
617
00:30:41,811 --> 00:30:44,278
Oh, yeah.
618
00:30:44,281 --> 00:30:45,580
I'm a little creeped out
619
00:30:45,582 --> 00:30:47,949
knowing that he came from another property.
620
00:30:47,952 --> 00:30:51,187
I didn't even think anything
like that could be possible.
621
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:52,355
Yes, it is.
622
00:30:52,358 --> 00:30:55,726
The dead can form all sorts of attachments.
623
00:30:55,729 --> 00:30:56,995
Wow.
624
00:31:01,838 --> 00:31:04,171
When I went into the house,
625
00:31:04,174 --> 00:31:08,043
the first thing that I
saw was this living male.
626
00:31:09,215 --> 00:31:13,217
And he seemed very angry and upset,
627
00:31:13,220 --> 00:31:17,989
and he was kind of yelling and screaming,
very emotional,
628
00:31:17,993 --> 00:31:23,296
and I saw that he had brown
hair and he was in his 40s.
629
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:27,135
It's me.
630
00:31:28,540 --> 00:31:29,756
[Gasps]
631
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:33,277
Yeah, I'm kind of confrontational
with the ghosts.
632
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,882
When I can't get any sleep,
I get up and I yell at them.
633
00:31:36,885 --> 00:31:39,318
Okay.
634
00:31:39,321 --> 00:31:43,557
The other thing that I got...
635
00:31:43,561 --> 00:31:46,362
[Sighs]
636
00:31:46,365 --> 00:31:50,600
There is somebody at the
location with abilities.
637
00:31:52,423 --> 00:31:55,207
And their dominant ability is telepathy.
638
00:31:55,210 --> 00:31:56,509
[Gasps]
639
00:31:56,511 --> 00:32:00,780
The telepath can manipulate
the minds of those around them
640
00:32:00,784 --> 00:32:04,819
into perceiving what they're perceiving.
641
00:32:04,822 --> 00:32:07,924
STEVE: So,
there's only two guys living in this place.
642
00:32:07,927 --> 00:32:09,509
Which one of these two is the telepath?
643
00:32:12,767 --> 00:32:15,501
Well, right away, when I sat down...
644
00:32:15,504 --> 00:32:19,372
and you know I did not know their names...
645
00:32:19,375 --> 00:32:21,425
I wrote this down. Oh, geez. Look at that.
646
00:32:21,428 --> 00:32:22,377
Yeah.
647
00:32:22,379 --> 00:32:23,912
She put your first initial down.
648
00:32:29,189 --> 00:32:30,755
Wow.
649
00:32:30,757 --> 00:32:35,577
I've always kind of felt
like maybe I was sensitive
650
00:32:35,581 --> 00:32:37,731
or had some weird type of power.
651
00:32:37,734 --> 00:32:41,502
I would say my moods are contagious.
652
00:32:43,709 --> 00:32:45,675
Sure explains a lot, don't it?
653
00:32:47,547 --> 00:32:49,580
It makes sense.
654
00:32:52,554 --> 00:32:56,889
We also have these other
things that are here,
655
00:32:56,893 --> 00:33:01,062
and what I'll call them is the tricksters.
656
00:33:02,401 --> 00:33:05,018
Typically, a trickster is associated
657
00:33:05,021 --> 00:33:07,538
with Native American tribes,
but they're all over the world.
658
00:33:07,540 --> 00:33:09,841
But that's not what's going on here.
659
00:33:09,844 --> 00:33:12,044
This is where it gets very unusual.
660
00:33:12,047 --> 00:33:14,514
There's about 50 of them.
661
00:33:14,517 --> 00:33:16,283
[Gasps]
662
00:33:16,285 --> 00:33:21,989
These guys are causing all kinds of chaos.
663
00:33:21,993 --> 00:33:26,129
They like to feed off of
negative environments.
664
00:33:28,036 --> 00:33:30,236
They're about like 3 or 4 feet tall,
665
00:33:30,238 --> 00:33:33,072
shiny... very shiny... black,
like, glistening.
666
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:36,310
STEVE: Well, they've seen them.
667
00:33:36,313 --> 00:33:39,214
One of the many things that
these guys experience here.
668
00:33:39,217 --> 00:33:40,050
Yeah.
669
00:33:42,288 --> 00:33:44,121
I had an experience...
670
00:33:44,123 --> 00:33:46,524
three of them at the foot of my bed.
671
00:33:46,527 --> 00:33:47,659
Oh, yes.
672
00:33:47,662 --> 00:33:49,912
I jumped out of the bed,
I ran through them,
673
00:33:49,914 --> 00:33:51,898
and got out into the hallway.
674
00:33:51,901 --> 00:33:55,936
I am awakened every night by these things.
675
00:33:55,939 --> 00:33:57,839
Wow. Okay.
676
00:33:57,842 --> 00:34:02,144
The thing about the bed is,
when I was in that middle room,
677
00:34:02,148 --> 00:34:04,716
I actually did see them getting
and having a good time...
678
00:34:04,719 --> 00:34:06,635
That's where I always see them.
679
00:34:06,637 --> 00:34:09,671
And jumping on the bed,
and they were having a blast.
680
00:34:11,227 --> 00:34:14,528
Here, they're more aggressive.
681
00:34:14,531 --> 00:34:16,665
They're, like, jumping on the bed
682
00:34:16,668 --> 00:34:19,318
like they're having a good time,
683
00:34:19,321 --> 00:34:21,538
barking and growling.
684
00:34:21,541 --> 00:34:22,807
[Growling]
685
00:34:22,809 --> 00:34:25,977
And that's where Ashton sleeps.
686
00:34:27,466 --> 00:34:30,117
One night, I heard him scream
in the middle of the night,
687
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,753
and he came running out, and he swore
688
00:34:31,755 --> 00:34:34,288
there was red eyes in the
closet staring right at him,
689
00:34:34,291 --> 00:34:36,041
that they were coming at him.
690
00:34:37,562 --> 00:34:39,829
He's scared to death.
691
00:34:39,832 --> 00:34:43,951
These things can manipulate what you see,
692
00:34:43,954 --> 00:34:48,073
and, you know, most often,
693
00:34:48,077 --> 00:34:51,945
they'll actually appear as
animals and things like that.
694
00:34:51,948 --> 00:34:53,948
Tell her.
695
00:34:55,186 --> 00:34:56,852
I was laying in bed one night,
696
00:34:56,855 --> 00:34:59,439
and I saw a little fawn
actually hop through the window,
697
00:34:59,442 --> 00:35:01,159
and it hopped in front of the bed
698
00:35:01,161 --> 00:35:03,161
and then just booked it down the hallway.
699
00:35:03,164 --> 00:35:04,630
Okay.
700
00:35:05,834 --> 00:35:07,333
It's really bad.
701
00:35:07,336 --> 00:35:08,586
[Sniffles]
702
00:35:16,182 --> 00:35:17,981
The other thing was,
703
00:35:17,983 --> 00:35:23,720
these guys are going to draw
from you any kind of negativity
704
00:35:23,724 --> 00:35:26,609
because that's gonna feed them,
705
00:35:26,612 --> 00:35:30,864
so these things will bring up
these done and over issues,
706
00:35:30,868 --> 00:35:33,035
like past traumas
707
00:35:33,038 --> 00:35:35,305
or bad things that have
happened in a person's life.
708
00:35:35,308 --> 00:35:37,224
They'll, like, trigger that,
709
00:35:37,226 --> 00:35:39,476
and then you're thinking
about it and thinking about it
710
00:35:39,479 --> 00:35:40,946
and talking about it and talking about it,
711
00:35:40,949 --> 00:35:42,765
and it's just feeding it and feeding it.
712
00:35:42,767 --> 00:35:44,150
Do you know what I'm saying?
713
00:35:47,858 --> 00:35:49,691
[Voice breaking] I think
about that all the time.
714
00:35:51,095 --> 00:35:53,546
I don't tell anybody that.
715
00:35:56,502 --> 00:35:58,970
[Sniffles]
716
00:35:58,973 --> 00:36:02,407
It just makes you feel like no
matter how much good you do,
717
00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:03,693
you'll never make up
718
00:36:03,696 --> 00:36:06,680
for every bad thing you've
ever done in your life.
719
00:36:06,683 --> 00:36:09,017
[Sniffles]
720
00:36:09,019 --> 00:36:13,071
But when I'm not here,
I never think it.
721
00:36:14,877 --> 00:36:17,995
Sometimes I stay long at
school so I don't have to.
722
00:36:21,169 --> 00:36:22,602
He thinks I don't want to come home.
723
00:36:22,604 --> 00:36:24,337
I don't want to...
724
00:36:24,340 --> 00:36:27,308
I want something to think
about that's different.
725
00:36:29,581 --> 00:36:31,381
I told nobody about that.
726
00:36:34,387 --> 00:36:35,803
I'm sorry.
727
00:36:40,529 --> 00:36:42,329
So, everything she's saying
728
00:36:42,331 --> 00:36:44,831
is making sense to both of you guys?
729
00:36:46,137 --> 00:36:49,271
So, I did have a sketch done
730
00:36:49,274 --> 00:36:51,675
of what I saw in the master bedroom.
731
00:36:57,284 --> 00:36:58,283
Ooh.
732
00:37:00,656 --> 00:37:02,489
[Gasps]
733
00:37:07,966 --> 00:37:11,767
Oh, my God.
734
00:37:25,091 --> 00:37:27,491
AMY: So, I did have a sketch done
735
00:37:27,494 --> 00:37:30,095
of what I saw in the master bedroom.
736
00:37:33,836 --> 00:37:34,835
Ooh.
737
00:37:37,208 --> 00:37:39,775
[Gasps]
738
00:37:41,380 --> 00:37:45,298
Oh, my God.
739
00:37:53,613 --> 00:37:56,047
And this is where I see them,
740
00:37:56,050 --> 00:37:59,000
is around the bottom corner of my bed.
741
00:37:59,003 --> 00:38:01,871
No wonder I'm not getting any sleep.
742
00:38:01,874 --> 00:38:04,358
Are they, like, physically capable
743
00:38:04,361 --> 00:38:06,261
of pulling the covers off of me?
744
00:38:06,264 --> 00:38:07,113
Yes.
745
00:38:08,015 --> 00:38:09,882
Oh, no.
746
00:38:09,885 --> 00:38:13,353
These tricksters have a leader.
747
00:38:13,356 --> 00:38:16,524
I saw him outside.
748
00:38:16,527 --> 00:38:20,162
When he was alive,
he was a very strong, powerful man,
749
00:38:20,166 --> 00:38:25,703
and he did have a lot of
power placed upon him.
750
00:38:27,142 --> 00:38:28,908
He was in charge of a lot of people.
751
00:38:28,911 --> 00:38:32,479
He was from probably, I think,
about 80 to 100 years ago.
752
00:38:32,482 --> 00:38:36,584
He was extremely pissed
off about the way he died
753
00:38:36,587 --> 00:38:38,854
because he didn't want to die that way.
754
00:38:38,857 --> 00:38:40,824
He should have died, like,
in a blaze of glory.
755
00:38:40,827 --> 00:38:42,326
Okay, so, this guy was powerful
756
00:38:42,328 --> 00:38:44,128
and was in charge of a lot of people?
757
00:38:44,131 --> 00:38:45,631
Yes.
758
00:38:45,634 --> 00:38:47,901
So, the original owner of
the property you're on now
759
00:38:47,903 --> 00:38:49,702
was this guy Alva Shaw.
760
00:38:49,705 --> 00:38:50,955
He was very well-connected.
761
00:38:50,958 --> 00:38:52,958
Matter of fact, he was so well-connected,
762
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,077
he was appointed by the governor in 1864
763
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,582
to be the superintendent of the
state penitentiary in Portland.
764
00:38:59,586 --> 00:39:01,352
Problem was, he wasn't good at it.
765
00:39:01,354 --> 00:39:02,937
When he was running the penitentiary,
766
00:39:02,940 --> 00:39:03,956
44 prisoners escaped.
767
00:39:03,958 --> 00:39:04,957
[Gasps]
768
00:39:04,959 --> 00:39:07,126
Only 13 were ever recaptured.
769
00:39:07,129 --> 00:39:11,097
So, on August 27, 1866,
770
00:39:11,101 --> 00:39:12,734
eight prisoners take him hostage.
771
00:39:12,736 --> 00:39:16,371
He was able to break away,
but a bunch of them escaped.
772
00:39:16,374 --> 00:39:17,874
Only five were recaptured.
773
00:39:17,877 --> 00:39:19,243
The next morning,
774
00:39:19,246 --> 00:39:21,847
he wakes up to an editorial
calling him a disgrace
775
00:39:21,849 --> 00:39:24,316
and that he doesn't know
how to run a prison
776
00:39:24,319 --> 00:39:27,837
and he caused this whole thing to happen.
777
00:39:27,841 --> 00:39:32,293
Now, this is him at a younger age.
778
00:39:32,296 --> 00:39:34,330
Now, he died in 1880 at the age of 64
779
00:39:34,333 --> 00:39:36,833
after a 13-hour illness.
780
00:39:36,836 --> 00:39:38,069
He just died.
781
00:39:38,071 --> 00:39:40,555
So, he didn't definitely
go out in a blaze of glory.
782
00:39:40,558 --> 00:39:41,707
That's for sure.
783
00:39:41,709 --> 00:39:43,709
I don't know if this is the person or not.
784
00:39:43,712 --> 00:39:45,245
I really don't.
785
00:39:47,416 --> 00:39:49,350
This is so overwhelming.
786
00:39:49,353 --> 00:39:51,753
I never expected this much.
787
00:39:51,756 --> 00:39:54,824
I mean, I knew there was a lot going on,
but wow.
788
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,434
So, guys, you know why
you've been fighting.
789
00:40:02,437 --> 00:40:04,971
You know why your moods have been changing.
790
00:40:04,974 --> 00:40:07,308
You know why you're
hearing and seeing things.
791
00:40:07,310 --> 00:40:08,776
But the big question is,
792
00:40:08,779 --> 00:40:11,480
are you gonna be able to raise
Ashton here in a safe place?
793
00:40:11,483 --> 00:40:14,050
For that answer,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
794
00:40:16,991 --> 00:40:19,691
A lot of things have to be
attacked at the same time
795
00:40:19,694 --> 00:40:22,295
to get a good, good result.
796
00:40:22,298 --> 00:40:25,032
So, the first thing is the dead guy,
the leader...
797
00:40:25,035 --> 00:40:27,235
He needs to go.
798
00:40:27,237 --> 00:40:30,071
So, what I would like
to see happen with him
799
00:40:30,074 --> 00:40:33,526
is a physical medium to come in,
talk to him,
800
00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:35,280
and get him to leave.
801
00:40:35,282 --> 00:40:38,116
But, at the same time,
802
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:41,287
you also need to have a shaman come in,
803
00:40:41,290 --> 00:40:44,357
and what I want that person to do
804
00:40:44,361 --> 00:40:47,229
is to set up a perimeter
around your property,
805
00:40:47,232 --> 00:40:48,898
and I mean big.
806
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:51,267
Like, all the way around, okay?
807
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:54,521
This is gonna push these tricksters out.
808
00:40:54,524 --> 00:40:56,775
So, once that's done,
809
00:40:56,778 --> 00:40:59,045
you have to deal with your abilities.
810
00:40:59,048 --> 00:41:01,031
Start keeping a daily journal.
811
00:41:01,033 --> 00:41:04,484
And what I want you to do is
to write up any and all issues
812
00:41:04,488 --> 00:41:06,956
that create strong emotions within you.
813
00:41:06,959 --> 00:41:08,858
Once a week,
I want you to take all those pages
814
00:41:08,860 --> 00:41:11,027
that you've written all this stuff in
815
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:14,332
and burn it and just get rid of that.
816
00:41:14,335 --> 00:41:16,969
Put it away and out from you.
817
00:41:18,574 --> 00:41:20,507
Now, I spoke to Ashton. He's 7 years old.
818
00:41:20,509 --> 00:41:22,543
He really doesn't understand
what's going on here,
819
00:41:22,546 --> 00:41:23,878
but he's scared.
820
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,047
How long do you think before
he'll maybe feel better
821
00:41:26,050 --> 00:41:27,116
about things in the house?
822
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,671
He'll feel a lot better
823
00:41:30,674 --> 00:41:34,042
once the shaman's moved
all of the tricksters
824
00:41:34,045 --> 00:41:35,427
off the property.
825
00:41:37,466 --> 00:41:39,232
So, are you guys gonna take Amy's advice?
826
00:41:39,235 --> 00:41:40,868
Every step of the way.
827
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:42,286
We're gonna get it taken care of.
828
00:41:42,289 --> 00:41:43,538
I want them out of my house.
829
00:41:43,540 --> 00:41:44,873
Now it's payback.
830
00:41:44,876 --> 00:41:48,177
They're gonna pay.
831
00:41:48,180 --> 00:41:49,613
They're gonna go.
832
00:41:49,616 --> 00:41:53,752
AMY: I really hope Terry
and Bobby follow my advice
833
00:41:53,755 --> 00:41:58,090
and deal with the tricksters
terrorizing their family.
834
00:41:58,094 --> 00:41:59,961
With the help of a medium and a shaman,
835
00:41:59,963 --> 00:42:02,230
they should be able to
free themselves of the evil
836
00:42:02,233 --> 00:42:03,899
surrounding their home.
837
00:42:03,949 --> 00:42:08,499
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