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AMY: That's not good.
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Something's attacking her.
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Everybody's hearing voices.
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Some living people have disappeared.
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This is the victim that he murdered.
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I'm real sick in this room.
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It's, like, trying to bite
my chest and my throat.
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It definitely creeped me out.
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The dead can go into the house.
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I think that some of
them could be dangerous.
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"You're mine. You can't escape."
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My name is Amy Allan.
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[Crying] What's happening?
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I see dead people.
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It seems like a devil.
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I speak to dead people.
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He's pissed off.
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And they speak to me.
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I felt real fear.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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I think she's being murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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Serial killer pops in my head.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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Nobody believes me.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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- Do you think there's still bodies there?
- I do.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end.
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You got problems. I got news for you.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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This is our house...
whether they like it or not.
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Or time to get out.
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This is their house, the house of the dead.
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I'm in Roseburg, Oregon.
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It's about an hour south of Eugene.
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I received a call from a woman named Lori.
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Now, she takes care of
elderly people in her home.
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She says the activity is
putting her patients at risk
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and destroying her personal life.
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She sounded really bad,
and I'm hoping we can help her out.
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MATTHEW: Before Amy arrives,
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I sweep the house, removing artwork,
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family photos, and personal items
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to avoid influencing her findings.
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When I'm finished,
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the location will be
ready for tonight's walk.
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AMY: Oh, boy. That's not good.
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You know, there's a doorway there.
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It's pretty long,
and it does kind of go pretty far that way.
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There are things,
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and there's also some kind of path.
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Now, this is separate from this doorway.
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There are dead people on it, walking.
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I'm very concerned about the living people
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wandering up in there and disappearing.
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Like, where are they disappearing to?
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Other dimensions.
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STEVE: Lori, I'm glad I'm here.
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You sounded really upset
and desperate on the phone.
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So, what's exactly going on?
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It's really been tough here.
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Um, in the last three years,
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things have just gotten to the point
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to where I'm scared to be here.
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Now, who exactly lives in the house?
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Me, my boyfriend, Devin,
his little girl, Cameron.
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I have a picture of her here.
This is Cameron.
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And I have an adult foster care that we run,
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and so there's three ladies
that live also in the home.
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So, they're here all the time?
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All the time.
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So, these people are, basically,
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part of your family when you think about it?
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Yes. They are.
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I also have a caregiver who lives here
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by the name of Julie.
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Are they experiencing anything?
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Yes, they're afraid to
even go to bed at night.
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Everybody's hearing voices,
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items moving on their own, apparitions.
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Our health is declining here,
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and our mood swings are elevated.
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Now, how long have you been living here?
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I grew up here.
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I moved away when I turned 18,
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and I moved back here about seven,
eight years now.
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You know any history about the house?
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Not really, I just know that the house
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was originally about a mile north from here.
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And here's a picture of the house
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when it was first moved here.
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So, the house has been moved? Yeah.
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Do you have any idea why it was moved?
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They had to move the house
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to make way for the interstate freeway.
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Okay. Now, do you know
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if this is still on the original property?
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Yeah, it is.
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Okay, that's interesting.
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Have you done anything in the house
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to try to fix what's happening here?
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I tried to sage it a couple times,
doing a blessing.
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Okay.
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And that didn't really work.
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What do you hope we can do for you?
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The home, it means a lot to me.
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I pray and I hope that you and Amy
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can help us with what's going on here
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so we can continue our business
and continue living here.
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There's a barrier.
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Someone's put up, uh,
protections around the property,
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but, uh, things are getting in.
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Because of the pathway and
the doorway in the woods,
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the activity here is out of control.
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Dead people and strange creatures
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are walking in and out of this home.
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So, I do think that they've
heard scratching on the walls,
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people walking around.
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Yeah, they've seen some weird [bleep]
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Okay. What's going on in here?
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This is where the business
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and my resident and my caregiver live.
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Okay. And this was here when
you lived here as a kid?
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Yes, my bedroom's right
over here when I grew up.
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Let me ask you a question.
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Back then, were you having any experiences?
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We had a few experiences.
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My grandmother would see faces
or people looking in at her
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through the windows and her door.
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Just faces, though. Not a body.
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How was her mind at the time?
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She was fine.
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All right. What else is going on down here?
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Well, down here we hear,
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like, footsteps upstairs when nobody's home,
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voices, like, people talking,
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conversations of people that aren't there.
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Between how many people, you think?
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- Two, three.
- All right.
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I mean, TVs left on upstairs,
anything like that?
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No, and we have banging
sounds throughout the house.
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And it sounds like someone's picking up,
like, encyclopedias
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and just dropping 'em, books just booms.
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It's really crazy.
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I mean, that's got to scare
the hell out of you.
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Yeah, it does.
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I'm seeing a creature thing, big and dark.
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Looks like an animal,
scratching on the outside walls.
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It's not very intelligent.
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Uh... it's more like a moth.
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Do you know where it comes from?
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From that, uh, hallway.
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Are the other things that
come out of this hallway,
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are they like this one?
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Uh, they're all different entities.
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I think that some of
them could be dangerous.
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What's going on in here?
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It's almost like a struggle every day
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just to be yourself here.
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I think all of us happen
to have mood swings.
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Devin and I,
we're having a really tough time.
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It's just this rage that gets into you.
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The easiest and simplest little thing
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just flares him off or flares me off.
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Now, these mood swings,
is it affecting your relationship?
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Yes, our relationship's about done.
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If we can't figure this out,
I think we're splitting up.
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- Really?
- Yeah.
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I mean, couples go through
that all the time.
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- You sure it's paranormal?
- Yeah.
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Since the activity has picked up,
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we're not the same people.
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Do you feel any better when you're away?
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Yeah, I feel a lot better.
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We don't fight, we don't argue,
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we don't go into these weird rages.
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Now, is anything else going on?
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We're all getting very ill.
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I'm just fatigued in this home,
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and I've been diagnosed with fibromyalgia,
lots of pain.
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When you leave here, do you feel any better?
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Yeah, I have a lot more energy.
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I'm begging you guys to help me.
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All right.
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Hopefully you called us in,
in time, you know,
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and we can get this fixed.
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I hope so.
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I'm seeing a living woman in here.
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I think they are a sensitive.
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I think they know it.
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I think it's something
that is in their family.
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If there's random dead
people that run through,
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a person could pick up on that
and the feelings from that.
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Being a sensitive in a highly active area
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over time can make you sick.
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Sick how?
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Anything from flu-like symptoms to cancer.
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STEVE: So, Devin, I was talking to Lori
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and she says you live here with her.
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Yes, correct.
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She also explained how both of you
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have mood swings that are
causing a lot of tension.
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We can just be getting along just fine,
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and all of a sudden,
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just be angry with each other for no reason.
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But what makes you think it's paranormal,
though?
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I mean, couples fight.
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Because of the way it escalates,
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and the feelings that I get.
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You know, it has a lot to do with the house.
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I've sat down and had
conversations with Lori
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about maybe it's the entity here.
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I can feel the vibes coming off of it.
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It's definitely gonna
get enjoyment out of ...
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of wrecking a relationship.
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Have you had any experiences here?
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Uh, just the cupboards being opened.
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Lots of cupboards.
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I'm thinking, you know,
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Lori leaving the cupboards
again and it's not.
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And do they lock in, or are they loose?
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They do catch.
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Do you hear it,
or you just go in there and you see it?
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Just go in and see it.
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Just after I just closed 'em.
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- Anything else?
- Yes.
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My daughter, she got pushed.
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- She got pushed.
- Mm-hmm.
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She was outside on the steps,
out there by the fish pond
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- before the fish pond was put in.
- Okay.
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And I was sitting inside the house,
and she ran in,
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just screaming in hysterics.
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And she's sure it wasn't one of the animals
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- bumping into her or anything like that?
- No, no.
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I know she's very well
stressed out about it.
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She's very scared.
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It's not fair. It's not fair to anybody.
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AMY: There's someone with long brown hair.
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I think it's a girl.
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Something's happening to her.
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Something's, like, attacking her.
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Her arms, she can't lift them
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because they are being held down.
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I don't know what that was.
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There was this weird
person that ran out of here
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and then jumped out at me, growled,
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and was, like,
trying to bite my chest and my throat.
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They just ran... ran away,
and it was, like, out of nowhere.
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It definitely creeped me out, though.
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DEVIN: I've seen an apparition.
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- Of what?
- Of a lady.
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What kind of clothing we talking about?
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Talking about the old... old school,
like 18th century.
261
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You know, those old shirts
that used to balloon out?
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- Puff... puff out, yeah.
- Puff out.
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- That's what she was wearing.
- Okay.
264
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Now, if you had to guess
on an age of this person,
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what would you think?
266
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Probably 30s, 40s, something like that.
267
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Okay. So, not... not a young teenage girl.
268
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Were you drinking the night before?
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- Where you woke up a little hammered?
- No, no.
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- Nothing like that?
- No.
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Definitely more than one
entity that comes through here,
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and it just seems like
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spirits are trying to get to the other side,
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and this is a go-through.
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Okay.
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I think most of the activity
is coming from outside.
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It's very unsettled.
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There's a lot of traffic.
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Dead traffic.
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The house isn't in a good place.
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The first hallway is here,
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and mostly what I'm seeing
coming out of this end
283
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are more creature-like things.
284
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Things I don't know what they are.
285
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Next to it is a path
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that a lot of the dead people are on.
287
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Sometimes,
the ones that are consciously dead
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will... will wander off the
path and can go into the house.
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STEVE: Julie, I was talking to Lori
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and she says you work and live here.
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Correct.
292
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Okay. How long has that been going on?
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I've worked here a little over two years
294
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and lived here about eight months.
295
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Now, you've had experiences here?
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Yes, I have.
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The first one being a human bite mark
298
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right here on my arm.
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I woke up with it.
300
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Okay. Was it, like, red?
301
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Oh, yeah.
302
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Just like little,
tiny... like a human bite mark.
303
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Why did I get a bite mark?
304
00:15:02,866 --> 00:15:04,599
You know, I don't... I don't know.
305
00:15:04,601 --> 00:15:06,467
Why me?
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I can see it upsets you,
just thinking about it.
307
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It does.
308
00:15:11,474 --> 00:15:13,958
You know, I'm not gonna leave, though.
309
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I mean, I'm just... I won't.
310
00:15:15,945 --> 00:15:17,545
Well, you take care of these people
311
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like you're family to them.
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They are my family.
313
00:15:22,452 --> 00:15:24,986
Now, let me ask you a question, Julie.
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Is there any place in the
house or anywhere at all
315
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that you don't like at all?
316
00:15:28,608 --> 00:15:30,691
Yes, the wooded area outside.
317
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On two different occasions,
318
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I've seen a light flicker
and it was black outside.
319
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Totally dark, no lights.
320
00:15:37,050 --> 00:15:38,816
I can imagine it gets dark here.
321
00:15:38,818 --> 00:15:40,034
It does get very dark,
322
00:15:40,036 --> 00:15:44,171
and this was very clear that it was a light.
323
00:15:44,173 --> 00:15:45,990
I don't have a reason for it.
324
00:15:45,992 --> 00:15:50,144
It's like someone stood out
there and lit a lighter.
325
00:15:50,146 --> 00:15:53,414
It scares me, and I come in, you know?
326
00:15:53,416 --> 00:15:55,783
But you did check the first time you saw it?
327
00:15:55,785 --> 00:15:57,852
I did, and the next morning I went out
328
00:15:57,854 --> 00:15:59,553
and looked to see if possibly
329
00:15:59,555 --> 00:16:01,589
there was a cigarette butt, you know?
330
00:16:01,591 --> 00:16:02,590
- Right.
- There was nothing.
331
00:16:08,864 --> 00:16:15,336
There's this path next
to this hallway thing.
332
00:16:15,338 --> 00:16:18,773
It goes this way, too, pretty far.
333
00:16:18,775 --> 00:16:25,513
Also, I think that, you know,
sometimes, over the years,
334
00:16:25,515 --> 00:16:30,318
some living people have gone
into this and have disappeared.
335
00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,386
MATTHEW: Somebody could just walk
336
00:16:32,388 --> 00:16:34,755
into this hallway thing and disappear?
337
00:16:34,757 --> 00:16:36,791
I do think so, yes.
338
00:16:36,793 --> 00:16:37,858
So, where does it go?
339
00:16:37,860 --> 00:16:39,994
I'd say other dimensions.
340
00:16:39,996 --> 00:16:41,279
Where do those go?
341
00:16:41,281 --> 00:16:42,280
I... I don't know.
342
00:16:42,282 --> 00:16:43,764
I don't want to know.
343
00:16:59,075 --> 00:17:00,609
I went through the property deeds
344
00:17:00,611 --> 00:17:02,327
and nothing really jumped out at me,
345
00:17:02,329 --> 00:17:03,445
but when I got in touch
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with a local historian and author,
347
00:17:05,249 --> 00:17:07,115
she said the story of the first owner
348
00:17:07,117 --> 00:17:09,034
of Lori's property might help my case.
349
00:17:15,591 --> 00:17:17,425
STEVE: Well, Diane,
thanks for taking the time to meet me.
350
00:17:17,427 --> 00:17:18,760
I appreciate that.
351
00:17:18,762 --> 00:17:20,679
So, who exactly was the
first owner of the property
352
00:17:20,681 --> 00:17:21,897
I'm investigating?
353
00:17:21,899 --> 00:17:25,767
Rufus Beamon was the first
owner of the property.
354
00:17:25,769 --> 00:17:28,136
This is a picture of him.
355
00:17:32,208 --> 00:17:35,644
This is the documents showing his ownership
356
00:17:35,646 --> 00:17:38,763
of 320 acres in... in the area of Roseburg.
357
00:17:38,765 --> 00:17:41,183
Gosh, that's a lot of property.
358
00:17:41,185 --> 00:17:42,350
That was standard.
359
00:17:42,352 --> 00:17:45,387
And if you were married, you got 640 acres.
360
00:17:45,389 --> 00:17:46,488
Wow.
361
00:17:53,462 --> 00:17:56,164
AMY: Uh, there's somebody on the floor.
362
00:17:56,166 --> 00:18:00,335
Why is this person on the floor?
363
00:18:00,337 --> 00:18:02,721
It's like something
paranormal happened to him,
364
00:18:02,723 --> 00:18:04,406
and he fell down because of it.
365
00:18:13,583 --> 00:18:17,886
So, that's where he went.
366
00:18:17,888 --> 00:18:22,591
He just wants to show me things
that happened to him here.
367
00:18:22,593 --> 00:18:27,495
He was haunted here.
368
00:18:27,497 --> 00:18:34,302
What I saw so far was him being
in a chair and freaking out.
369
00:18:34,304 --> 00:18:36,905
I don't know if he built this place
370
00:18:36,907 --> 00:18:39,407
or if he's the first owner of it,
371
00:18:39,409 --> 00:18:43,311
but he feels like that to me.
372
00:18:46,515 --> 00:18:49,251
Now, Diane,
you mentioned that this guy, Beamon,
373
00:18:49,253 --> 00:18:51,219
had an interesting story that may help
my case. What did you mean by that?
374
00:18:51,221 --> 00:18:54,456
He participated in the
Rogue River Indian Wars.
375
00:18:54,458 --> 00:18:55,523
What happened?
376
00:18:55,525 --> 00:18:57,792
Settlers wanted the land,
377
00:18:57,794 --> 00:19:00,762
and the Native Americans, of course,
378
00:19:00,764 --> 00:19:04,115
were being shoved off their
land and kind of fought back.
379
00:19:04,117 --> 00:19:05,233
Okay.
380
00:19:05,235 --> 00:19:07,902
The battle he was involved in,
381
00:19:07,904 --> 00:19:10,138
called the Battle of Hungry Hill,
382
00:19:10,140 --> 00:19:13,875
took place on October 31, 1855.
383
00:19:13,877 --> 00:19:15,644
Where exactly was this battle set?
384
00:19:15,646 --> 00:19:17,112
Just out of Roseburg.
385
00:19:17,114 --> 00:19:18,680
Okay.
386
00:19:18,682 --> 00:19:20,799
A group of the Native Americans
387
00:19:20,801 --> 00:19:22,784
had gone into the hills to hide.
388
00:19:22,786 --> 00:19:26,388
One of the Native Americans situated himself
389
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:28,356
so that he was a sniper,
390
00:19:28,358 --> 00:19:32,594
and he started shooting the men
that were coming up the hill.
391
00:19:32,596 --> 00:19:34,796
So now, how bloody did this battle get?
392
00:19:34,798 --> 00:19:37,782
And the settlers and the militia
393
00:19:37,784 --> 00:19:39,484
lost about 39 men.
394
00:19:39,486 --> 00:19:42,604
The Native Americans probably
had 15 to 16 casualties.
395
00:19:42,606 --> 00:19:46,424
This is the only battle that
the Native Americans won.
396
00:19:46,426 --> 00:19:49,644
So now, did Beamon come out of this okay?
397
00:19:49,646 --> 00:19:50,679
Yes, he did.
398
00:19:50,681 --> 00:19:53,581
He returned home to his property,
399
00:19:53,583 --> 00:19:56,418
and he lived on the land
for a few more years
400
00:19:56,420 --> 00:19:57,702
before he sold it,
401
00:19:57,704 --> 00:20:00,722
and then he moved up to Washington in 1861.
402
00:20:00,724 --> 00:20:02,557
So, what happens to the Native Americans?
403
00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:07,195
In April of 1856, they were all rounded up
404
00:20:07,197 --> 00:20:10,732
and sent to reservations
up in Northern Oregon.
405
00:20:10,734 --> 00:20:12,534
Okay. Did they ever come back here?
406
00:20:12,536 --> 00:20:15,904
No, they never regained
their original lands.
407
00:20:15,906 --> 00:20:18,907
Just recently, some archaeologists found
408
00:20:18,909 --> 00:20:22,010
the original battle site and excavated it.
409
00:20:24,613 --> 00:20:27,349
The man downstairs thinks
410
00:20:27,351 --> 00:20:33,488
that it's all Native American curse stuff
411
00:20:33,490 --> 00:20:38,426
because he says that up the hill there,
412
00:20:38,428 --> 00:20:41,830
somebody did something bad to
their Native American stuff.
413
00:20:43,816 --> 00:20:48,603
He says that they were doing some...
some excavating.
414
00:20:48,605 --> 00:20:54,709
They were digging stuff up,
and that's what he thinks happened.
415
00:21:05,554 --> 00:21:07,922
I'm real sick in this room.
416
00:21:10,459 --> 00:21:11,626
Really, really sick.
417
00:21:11,628 --> 00:21:14,329
Do you know if there's
something causing this?
418
00:21:14,331 --> 00:21:17,265
Think that some of the physical ailments
419
00:21:17,267 --> 00:21:20,835
is due to some of the activity here.
420
00:21:23,038 --> 00:21:24,672
Real bad, real bad.
421
00:21:28,544 --> 00:21:31,045
Really bad. Oh.
422
00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:47,067
STEVE: So far, I've got clients
423
00:21:47,069 --> 00:21:49,003
being terrorized by unexplained activity
424
00:21:49,005 --> 00:21:51,205
and a property that's
been the site of bloodshed
425
00:21:51,207 --> 00:21:53,474
between Native Americans and white settlers.
426
00:21:53,476 --> 00:21:55,676
But I need to see if there's anything else.
427
00:21:57,379 --> 00:21:58,812
Searching through old records,
428
00:21:58,814 --> 00:22:00,781
I found a man named Richard Brumfield,
429
00:22:00,783 --> 00:22:03,017
who committed a brutal murder in 1921.
430
00:22:03,019 --> 00:22:05,219
Turns out, he has a direct connection
431
00:22:05,221 --> 00:22:06,520
to my client's property.
432
00:22:08,673 --> 00:22:10,441
As soon as I found out a murder victim
433
00:22:10,443 --> 00:22:11,742
was dumped on Lori's property,
434
00:22:11,744 --> 00:22:13,727
first call I made was to the local sheriff.
435
00:22:13,729 --> 00:22:16,463
He said it was one of
the most horrific murders
436
00:22:16,465 --> 00:22:17,898
in Roseburg's history.
437
00:22:26,441 --> 00:22:30,511
So, the articles I came across
show that a body was dumped
438
00:22:30,513 --> 00:22:32,580
on what was once my client's property,
439
00:22:32,582 --> 00:22:35,232
and it was a sensational case.
440
00:22:35,234 --> 00:22:37,918
What do you know about the guy,
Brumfield himself?
441
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,253
Well, I know Brumfield
442
00:22:39,255 --> 00:22:42,373
was a very influential
professional here in Roseburg.
443
00:22:42,375 --> 00:22:45,125
He was a dentist that
moved here in about 1909
444
00:22:45,127 --> 00:22:47,394
and was popular in all the social circles
445
00:22:47,396 --> 00:22:49,496
here in Roseburg at the time, as well.
446
00:22:49,498 --> 00:22:51,632
Okay. So, what do you know
about the case itself?
447
00:22:51,634 --> 00:22:53,267
Well, let me show you something.
448
00:22:59,074 --> 00:23:02,076
So, this picture here is of Dr. Brumfield,
449
00:23:02,078 --> 00:23:05,379
the dentist and suspect
in this homicide case.
450
00:23:05,381 --> 00:23:08,716
This picture here,
this is of the victim that he murdered.
451
00:23:08,718 --> 00:23:11,051
- That's William Russell.
- Now, who was he?
452
00:23:11,053 --> 00:23:12,753
Well, William Russell
worked on a local farm.
453
00:23:12,755 --> 00:23:14,054
Okay.
454
00:23:14,056 --> 00:23:17,875
The doctor was looking for
someone that he could kill
455
00:23:17,877 --> 00:23:21,579
and use the body to fake his own death.
456
00:23:21,581 --> 00:23:24,698
So, he murders this guy to
make it look like it's him?
457
00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:26,000
That's correct.
458
00:23:26,002 --> 00:23:27,301
What's the motive to kill this guy, then?
459
00:23:27,303 --> 00:23:29,570
Well, Brumfield wanted to start a new life
460
00:23:29,572 --> 00:23:31,338
with his mistress up in Canada.
461
00:23:31,340 --> 00:23:32,940
How's he wind up murdering him
462
00:23:32,942 --> 00:23:35,242
and trying to make it
look like his own body?
463
00:23:35,244 --> 00:23:38,812
He ends up drinking with Mr. Russell,
464
00:23:38,814 --> 00:23:40,197
feeds him some Strychnine.
465
00:23:40,199 --> 00:23:41,482
That doesn't kill him.
466
00:23:41,484 --> 00:23:44,218
He ends up having to finish
the job with a rifle,
467
00:23:44,220 --> 00:23:45,586
and he shoots him twice.
468
00:23:45,588 --> 00:23:48,689
He places his body in his vehicle here.
469
00:23:48,691 --> 00:23:51,675
Dr. Brumfield placed him in that car,
470
00:23:51,677 --> 00:23:53,994
he took his own ring off of his finger
471
00:23:53,996 --> 00:23:56,163
and placed it on the victim's hand.
472
00:23:56,165 --> 00:23:57,564
Okay.
473
00:23:57,566 --> 00:24:00,634
He actually removes the victim's dentures,
or his teeth,
474
00:24:00,636 --> 00:24:04,004
and placed a stick of dynamite
in the mouth of the victim,
475
00:24:04,006 --> 00:24:08,275
which ultimately exploded
and decapitated the body.
476
00:24:08,277 --> 00:24:10,511
Then the car was doused with
gasoline and lit on fire
477
00:24:10,513 --> 00:24:11,578
and pushed off the road.
478
00:24:11,580 --> 00:24:13,914
Okay, so that's how this car winds up
479
00:24:13,916 --> 00:24:16,083
in my client's property at that time.
480
00:24:16,085 --> 00:24:17,284
That's correct.
481
00:24:17,286 --> 00:24:19,970
This is the death certificate
for William Russell.
482
00:24:19,972 --> 00:24:22,856
So, how did the cops wind up figuring out
483
00:24:22,858 --> 00:24:24,508
that it wasn't Brumfield in the car?
484
00:24:24,510 --> 00:24:27,928
Well, during the investigation,
the subsequent autopsy,
485
00:24:27,930 --> 00:24:30,230
they found a document on the victim
486
00:24:30,232 --> 00:24:31,932
in the name of Mr. Russell.
487
00:24:31,934 --> 00:24:34,134
I mean,
this guy really thought everything out
488
00:24:34,136 --> 00:24:36,704
except for that one little detail,
as smart as he was.
489
00:24:36,706 --> 00:24:38,972
They always say there's at
least one mistake left behind
490
00:24:38,974 --> 00:24:40,207
in a crime scene.
491
00:24:40,209 --> 00:24:42,493
Did they catch him immediately?
What happens?
492
00:24:42,495 --> 00:24:45,979
They start a search
looking for Dr. Brumfield.
493
00:24:45,981 --> 00:24:47,665
They can't find him locally,
494
00:24:47,667 --> 00:24:50,317
and they end up distributing wanted posters
495
00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:52,519
throughout the Pacific Northwest.
496
00:24:52,521 --> 00:24:54,388
How's he get caught now?
497
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:57,191
Well, he ends up getting identified
498
00:24:57,193 --> 00:24:59,943
by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
499
00:24:59,945 --> 00:25:01,995
- Up in Canada?
- Up in Canada.
500
00:25:01,997 --> 00:25:02,980
Okay. So, they apprehend him.
501
00:25:02,982 --> 00:25:03,931
They did.
502
00:25:03,933 --> 00:25:06,333
This was a "News-Review" article
503
00:25:06,335 --> 00:25:08,068
when he was caught up in Canada.
504
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:10,938
- I'm assuming he gets extradited down here.
- He did.
505
00:25:10,940 --> 00:25:12,740
Okay. So, does he go to trial?
What happened?
506
00:25:12,742 --> 00:25:15,726
Went to trial,
he was convicted of first-degree murder
507
00:25:15,728 --> 00:25:18,095
and sentenced to death by hanging.
508
00:25:18,097 --> 00:25:19,680
Okay. So, did they wind up hanging him?
509
00:25:19,682 --> 00:25:21,999
Actually, before he was executed,
510
00:25:22,001 --> 00:25:25,452
he hung himself while we
was in the Oregon State Pen.
511
00:25:25,454 --> 00:25:27,054
Copy of the death certificate
512
00:25:27,056 --> 00:25:29,089
from the Oregon State Penitentiary,
513
00:25:29,091 --> 00:25:32,192
showing that he committed
suicide by hanging.
514
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:45,873
Someone keeps saying the word "predator"
515
00:25:45,875 --> 00:25:47,975
over and over again.
516
00:25:47,977 --> 00:25:53,414
I felt something bearing down on me,
517
00:25:53,416 --> 00:25:58,402
and feeling like something really large
518
00:25:58,404 --> 00:26:02,790
was behind me,
519
00:26:02,792 --> 00:26:04,858
like, running after me.
520
00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:06,994
Like, down the hill or something.
521
00:26:06,996 --> 00:26:09,263
And then I hear that predator.
522
00:26:19,140 --> 00:26:22,209
I encountered several
entities during my walk,
523
00:26:22,211 --> 00:26:23,944
but two stood out the most.
524
00:26:23,946 --> 00:26:27,548
First, the creature I saw
trying to get into the house.
525
00:26:27,550 --> 00:26:30,517
It was kind of clinging to the house.
526
00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:36,890
It has, like, these really long
limbs that end in these claws.
527
00:26:36,892 --> 00:26:39,610
Did he have, uh,
teeth or fangs, specifically?
528
00:26:39,612 --> 00:26:41,662
Yeah, a lot of fangs.
529
00:26:41,664 --> 00:26:44,565
Next, I described the haunted dead man.
530
00:26:44,567 --> 00:26:51,321
He's about 65, pretty defined square jaw.
531
00:26:51,323 --> 00:26:57,044
His nose was pretty thin,
he had pretty narrow lips.
532
00:26:59,113 --> 00:27:00,481
Is that who you saw?
533
00:27:02,450 --> 00:27:04,485
Yes.
534
00:27:25,788 --> 00:27:28,357
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
535
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,525
we're ready to reveal our
findings to each other
536
00:27:30,527 --> 00:27:32,794
and our clients for the first time.
537
00:27:32,796 --> 00:27:35,681
Now, Amy, I don't know
if you picked up on this
538
00:27:35,683 --> 00:27:39,134
during your walk,
but this is both a home and a business.
539
00:27:39,136 --> 00:27:43,455
Now, on this level,
Lori lives here with Devin, her boyfriend,
540
00:27:43,457 --> 00:27:46,308
and his 9-year-old daughter, Cameron.
541
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:49,211
And downstairs, she has three elderly women
542
00:27:49,213 --> 00:27:52,047
that she takes care of as patients,
full time.
543
00:27:52,049 --> 00:27:53,515
They live here.
544
00:27:53,517 --> 00:27:56,151
And you have a caretaker, Julie,
that lives down there also.
545
00:27:56,153 --> 00:27:58,520
Now, there's a lot of activity here,
546
00:27:58,522 --> 00:28:01,373
and Lori's afraid for
the patients downstairs
547
00:28:01,375 --> 00:28:05,060
and she thinks whatever's here
is ripping her and Devin apart.
548
00:28:05,062 --> 00:28:07,763
So, now that I told Amy a little bit about
549
00:28:07,765 --> 00:28:11,366
what's going on,
I'm gonna have her describe her walk to us.
550
00:28:13,603 --> 00:28:20,575
This is a very active area,
and some of it's pretty unusual.
551
00:28:20,577 --> 00:28:24,312
When I came into the house,
552
00:28:24,314 --> 00:28:28,150
I saw a male laying on the floor,
553
00:28:28,152 --> 00:28:29,684
apparently dead.
554
00:28:29,686 --> 00:28:34,156
He was being tormented by something,
555
00:28:34,158 --> 00:28:38,744
and I thought that he had built this place
556
00:28:38,746 --> 00:28:42,731
or was the first owner of the home.
557
00:28:42,733 --> 00:28:46,084
He was convinced that he
had all of these problems
558
00:28:46,086 --> 00:28:49,504
because he thinks there's
a Native American curse,
559
00:28:49,506 --> 00:28:52,407
and he was talking about
560
00:28:52,409 --> 00:28:55,877
how something bad happened to them.
561
00:28:55,879 --> 00:28:59,581
But he kept going on and
on about archaeologists
562
00:28:59,583 --> 00:29:03,385
or, like, students or something,
digging up stuff,
563
00:29:03,387 --> 00:29:08,356
and that that's what caused the problems.
564
00:29:08,358 --> 00:29:10,492
Well, it makes sense to me a little bit.
565
00:29:10,494 --> 00:29:12,811
I don't know if it's
gonna make sense to Amy,
566
00:29:12,813 --> 00:29:14,896
because the original owner of your land
567
00:29:14,898 --> 00:29:16,364
was a man named Rufus Beamon.
568
00:29:16,366 --> 00:29:21,403
Now, Beamon was granted
320 acres back in 1850.
569
00:29:21,405 --> 00:29:24,990
And your house is right in the
middle of his original property.
570
00:29:24,992 --> 00:29:27,492
Now, when you talk about
the Native American curse,
571
00:29:27,494 --> 00:29:30,078
in the 1850s,
there was the Rogue River Indian Wars.
572
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,614
Beamon was involved in the only battle
573
00:29:32,616 --> 00:29:34,549
that white settlers were involved in
574
00:29:34,551 --> 00:29:37,252
with the Native Americans
that the white settlers lost.
575
00:29:37,254 --> 00:29:39,321
The Americans had 39 casualties,
576
00:29:39,323 --> 00:29:42,724
and I think the Native
Americans only had 15 losses.
577
00:29:42,726 --> 00:29:45,427
Even though Native
Americans won that battle,
578
00:29:45,429 --> 00:29:47,946
they all got displaced to Northern Oregon
579
00:29:47,948 --> 00:29:49,231
and never came back.
580
00:29:49,233 --> 00:29:51,166
- Now, you mentioned archaeologists.
- Yeah.
581
00:29:51,168 --> 00:29:53,368
They just discovered,
only a couple of years ago,
582
00:29:53,370 --> 00:29:55,237
remnants from that actual war.
583
00:29:55,239 --> 00:29:56,404
Wow.
584
00:29:56,406 --> 00:29:59,474
So, Amy, do you think
this is the guy you saw?
585
00:30:01,377 --> 00:30:04,412
I did do a sketch of the person that I saw,
586
00:30:04,414 --> 00:30:06,481
but he looked much older.
587
00:30:13,606 --> 00:30:15,223
You guys take a look. You tell me.
588
00:30:16,526 --> 00:30:17,792
Wow.
589
00:30:20,229 --> 00:30:24,366
Look at the nose.
His hair's even parted right.
590
00:30:25,735 --> 00:30:27,419
STEVE: I've seen thousands
and thousands of sketches
591
00:30:27,421 --> 00:30:28,703
during my time.
592
00:30:28,705 --> 00:30:35,110
Between the eyes, the nose...
pretty damn close.
593
00:30:35,112 --> 00:30:36,344
Now, do you think Beamon's your guy?
594
00:30:36,346 --> 00:30:38,480
Very possible.
595
00:30:42,552 --> 00:30:45,053
How did the rest of your walk go?
596
00:30:45,055 --> 00:30:47,889
So, when I got here, I saw
597
00:30:47,891 --> 00:30:51,560
that there had been a barrier
put up around the house,
598
00:30:51,562 --> 00:30:54,362
which was actually a smart thing to do
599
00:30:54,364 --> 00:30:56,932
because there is so much activity.
600
00:30:58,651 --> 00:31:01,002
We have saged here before.
601
00:31:01,004 --> 00:31:03,054
Have you done the outside of the house?
602
00:31:03,056 --> 00:31:04,773
- Everywhere.
- Okay.
603
00:31:04,775 --> 00:31:08,543
When I was walking around,
I went into the master bedroom.
604
00:31:08,545 --> 00:31:11,429
And that's where I got a couple of things.
605
00:31:11,431 --> 00:31:14,232
One was that you probably have abilities,
606
00:31:14,234 --> 00:31:17,269
and that you may know it.
607
00:31:17,271 --> 00:31:19,271
That it runs in your family.
608
00:31:19,273 --> 00:31:22,307
And what happens is that
609
00:31:22,309 --> 00:31:26,094
some of the dead that wander
about here will come in,
610
00:31:26,096 --> 00:31:29,531
and they're curious about you.
611
00:31:29,533 --> 00:31:32,651
And you don't know, inherently,
how to move them on
612
00:31:32,653 --> 00:31:34,369
because you're not a medium.
613
00:31:34,371 --> 00:31:36,538
You're a psychic.
614
00:31:38,407 --> 00:31:40,575
Now, did you have any idea
you might be a psychic?
615
00:31:40,577 --> 00:31:41,710
Yeah, yeah.
616
00:31:41,712 --> 00:31:43,812
You didn't tell me that, did you?
617
00:31:43,814 --> 00:31:44,813
I don't tell anybody.
618
00:31:44,815 --> 00:31:46,581
Why?
619
00:31:46,583 --> 00:31:49,351
'Cause I don't like it. I shut it down.
620
00:31:49,353 --> 00:31:51,870
You know, some of the things I've seen,
621
00:31:51,872 --> 00:31:53,688
I don't want to see 'em.
622
00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:54,789
What about your family?
623
00:31:54,791 --> 00:31:56,091
Did anybody in your family,
624
00:31:56,093 --> 00:31:58,193
like your grandmother or anything like that?
625
00:31:58,195 --> 00:32:01,096
My mom, my aunts, my great aunt,
all the way down.
626
00:32:01,098 --> 00:32:02,163
Oh, interesting.
627
00:32:04,967 --> 00:32:07,035
So, what else did you see?
628
00:32:07,037 --> 00:32:10,405
Most of the activity that's happening here
629
00:32:10,407 --> 00:32:14,092
is actually coming from two
different places outside.
630
00:32:14,094 --> 00:32:19,981
The first one,
it looks almost like this very long hallway.
631
00:32:19,983 --> 00:32:24,052
And what I saw coming out of it
632
00:32:24,054 --> 00:32:30,025
was these really odd, mutant animals.
633
00:32:30,027 --> 00:32:32,894
One, in particular, jumps on the house.
634
00:32:32,896 --> 00:32:36,748
He would bang on the house,
scratch on the house.
635
00:32:36,750 --> 00:32:38,233
Uh, there was some growling.
636
00:32:39,735 --> 00:32:43,321
And he's been doing this for a very,
very long time,
637
00:32:43,323 --> 00:32:44,939
trying to get in,
638
00:32:44,941 --> 00:32:47,008
but he doesn't have the
wherewithal to get in.
639
00:32:47,010 --> 00:32:48,877
Yeah. You guys were looking at each other
640
00:32:48,879 --> 00:32:50,912
when she was describing,
like, the scratching
641
00:32:50,914 --> 00:32:52,047
and all this other stuff.
642
00:32:52,049 --> 00:32:56,117
Yeah, that's exactly what
we hear all the time.
643
00:32:58,654 --> 00:33:00,188
Why are you shaking, Lori?
644
00:33:00,190 --> 00:33:01,156
It's just overwhelming.
645
00:33:01,158 --> 00:33:03,725
I did do a sketch of him.
646
00:33:03,727 --> 00:33:04,759
[Shudders]
647
00:33:04,761 --> 00:33:06,161
- Of the creature?
- Yeah.
648
00:33:06,163 --> 00:33:07,362
Oh, I got to see this.
649
00:33:07,364 --> 00:33:08,530
The one that I saw.
650
00:33:08,566 --> 00:33:10,566
_
651
00:33:15,805 --> 00:33:17,138
That's the weirdest-looking thing...
652
00:33:23,318 --> 00:33:24,918
_
653
00:33:25,347 --> 00:33:27,215
What does it want?
654
00:33:27,217 --> 00:33:28,616
He wants in.
655
00:33:28,618 --> 00:33:30,101
Oh.
656
00:33:30,103 --> 00:33:33,021
What would happen if he came in?
657
00:33:34,573 --> 00:33:37,192
Cause problems.
658
00:33:37,194 --> 00:33:39,661
Geez.
659
00:33:39,663 --> 00:33:41,129
So much going on.
660
00:33:41,131 --> 00:33:46,534
I have come out here,
and it'd be at nighttime,
661
00:33:46,536 --> 00:33:48,353
and I can just feel the presence
662
00:33:48,355 --> 00:33:50,672
of whatever at the time it was here.
663
00:33:50,674 --> 00:33:55,643
Creepy, weird things,
like, were in those trees.
664
00:33:55,645 --> 00:33:59,514
That part got me afraid,
and that's where into the lay...
665
00:33:59,516 --> 00:34:02,400
"Lord Jesus Christ,
leave... leave us alone."
666
00:34:02,402 --> 00:34:04,586
- Mm-hmm.
- "Just leave us alone."
667
00:34:06,021 --> 00:34:09,357
Now, you said there were
two things in the woods.
668
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:11,126
What was the second thing?
669
00:34:11,128 --> 00:34:14,629
The second thing,
which is very near to the hallway,
670
00:34:14,631 --> 00:34:16,948
is actually a path.
671
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:20,952
And so, there were all these dead people,
672
00:34:20,954 --> 00:34:23,538
you know, on this, going back and forth.
673
00:34:23,540 --> 00:34:26,074
Literally, back and forth on this trail.
674
00:34:26,076 --> 00:34:28,726
It goes right through, right through here.
675
00:34:28,728 --> 00:34:31,813
And occasionally, some of them wander off
676
00:34:31,815 --> 00:34:34,516
and they'll come through the house.
677
00:34:34,518 --> 00:34:39,354
So, due to this... pathway,
678
00:34:39,356 --> 00:34:44,542
there were three things that
I think can bother you guys.
679
00:34:44,544 --> 00:34:47,262
The first thing is illnesses, definitely.
680
00:34:47,264 --> 00:34:52,634
Nausea, flu-like symptoms, headaches.
681
00:34:52,636 --> 00:34:56,037
And as sensitives,
this would be harder on you
682
00:34:56,039 --> 00:35:00,141
than people who are closed.
683
00:35:00,143 --> 00:35:03,394
She just described
everything you're feeling.
684
00:35:03,396 --> 00:35:04,512
You haven't been well, right?
685
00:35:04,514 --> 00:35:05,647
I mean, everybody in this house is sick.
686
00:35:05,649 --> 00:35:09,033
You got diagnosed with fibromyalgia.
687
00:35:09,035 --> 00:35:10,552
Yeah.
688
00:35:10,554 --> 00:35:13,404
But the weird part is when they're not here,
they're okay.
689
00:35:13,406 --> 00:35:17,175
You look like you got a headache now.
690
00:35:17,177 --> 00:35:21,729
I just feel, uh, my energy level
691
00:35:21,731 --> 00:35:25,400
has just totally been sucked dry.
692
00:35:25,402 --> 00:35:27,168
Okay, okay. That kind of makes sense.
693
00:35:27,170 --> 00:35:28,203
All right.
694
00:35:28,205 --> 00:35:30,155
Why?
695
00:35:30,157 --> 00:35:33,908
Because the dead are here,
and it zaps our energy.
696
00:35:37,780 --> 00:35:41,182
And the second thing I was getting was,
like, mood swings.
697
00:35:41,184 --> 00:35:43,618
One of the main reasons we
were called in by in you
698
00:35:43,620 --> 00:35:46,120
was because you guys are
on the verge of breaking up
699
00:35:46,122 --> 00:35:47,555
because of these mood swings.
700
00:35:47,557 --> 00:35:49,791
That's a big factor.
701
00:35:49,793 --> 00:35:52,877
It escalates to where we just
don't talk to each other,
702
00:35:52,879 --> 00:35:55,396
and we're arguing for, like, the next week.
703
00:35:55,398 --> 00:35:57,365
They feed off our negativity.
704
00:35:57,367 --> 00:36:01,336
They want us to fight,
they want us to just destroy...
705
00:36:01,338 --> 00:36:03,037
- Mm-hmm.
- our relationship.
706
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:06,407
It's not, like, a happy home at all.
707
00:36:10,913 --> 00:36:15,149
The third way the dead can
affect you is very concerning.
708
00:36:15,151 --> 00:36:17,552
Some of them can make physical contact,
709
00:36:17,554 --> 00:36:22,824
and I did see a female asleep,
710
00:36:22,826 --> 00:36:26,527
but there was a dead person
that was actually holding her,
711
00:36:26,529 --> 00:36:28,563
pinning her down to the bed.
712
00:36:28,565 --> 00:36:31,099
It was a pretty violent thing.
713
00:36:31,101 --> 00:36:33,618
And then I actually had
one of the stragglers
714
00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:35,036
jump out at me,
715
00:36:35,038 --> 00:36:37,472
and he just ran right up in my face
716
00:36:37,474 --> 00:36:40,858
and he was, like,
kind of aiming towards my throat
717
00:36:40,860 --> 00:36:43,278
and chest area to, like, bite me.
718
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,665
I'm wondering if that happened
to be what pushed my daughter?
719
00:36:47,667 --> 00:36:50,685
When she was out here at the stairs,
she came running,
720
00:36:50,687 --> 00:36:52,470
"Daddy, Daddy, Daddy!"
721
00:36:52,472 --> 00:36:55,740
She was scared.
She goes, "I just got pushed."
722
00:36:55,742 --> 00:36:56,874
Mm-hmm.
723
00:36:56,876 --> 00:36:58,359
I actually have a picture of his daughter.
724
00:36:58,361 --> 00:37:01,179
Aw.
725
00:37:01,181 --> 00:37:04,465
Now, her caretaker, Julie, got bit.
726
00:37:04,467 --> 00:37:06,801
She's been scratched, bit,
727
00:37:06,803 --> 00:37:10,071
and she said that she feels
that there are spirits here
728
00:37:10,073 --> 00:37:12,607
- is all she told me.
- Okay.
729
00:37:12,609 --> 00:37:15,543
So, the scratching, the biting,
the pushing, and all that.
730
00:37:15,545 --> 00:37:17,045
Is that all the dead people?
731
00:37:17,047 --> 00:37:18,680
That could be, yeah. Mm-hmm.
732
00:37:18,682 --> 00:37:20,315
The dead that are here, I mean,
733
00:37:20,317 --> 00:37:21,449
is it a threat to them?
734
00:37:21,451 --> 00:37:24,919
Yeah. But my biggest concern
735
00:37:24,921 --> 00:37:30,725
is this in-between place, and the fact that
736
00:37:30,727 --> 00:37:36,297
living people can, though rarely,
but they can disappear
737
00:37:36,299 --> 00:37:39,233
into this kind of parallel dimension.
738
00:37:39,235 --> 00:37:41,235
What do you mean by a different dimension?
739
00:37:41,237 --> 00:37:47,408
That these things are coming
from parallel universes.
740
00:37:50,579 --> 00:37:52,847
Can we take a little break?
741
00:38:11,728 --> 00:38:17,300
Living people can, though rarely,
but they can disappear
742
00:38:17,302 --> 00:38:20,603
into this kind of parallel dimension.
743
00:38:20,605 --> 00:38:22,605
What do you mean by a different dimension?
744
00:38:22,607 --> 00:38:28,778
That these things are coming
from parallel universes.
745
00:38:31,949 --> 00:38:34,216
Can we take a little break?
746
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:41,324
STEVE: You okay?
747
00:38:41,326 --> 00:38:42,158
DEVIN: Yeah, I'll be all right.
748
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,326
I know this is tough,
749
00:38:43,328 --> 00:38:44,827
especially because you got your daughter.
750
00:38:44,829 --> 00:38:46,095
Mm-hmm.
751
00:38:46,097 --> 00:38:48,731
I'm blessed right now that
she wasn't here for this.
752
00:38:51,285 --> 00:38:53,119
Lori, you remember the first time we spoke
753
00:38:53,121 --> 00:38:54,270
and you said you were scared of this house?
754
00:38:54,272 --> 00:38:55,288
Yes.
755
00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:57,039
Well, you had a very good reason for that.
756
00:38:57,041 --> 00:38:59,542
But we still haven't answered
your biggest question.
757
00:38:59,544 --> 00:39:01,677
Is it safe for you to stay here with Devin,
758
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:04,080
and your patients that became your family,
really?
759
00:39:04,082 --> 00:39:05,448
So, for that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
760
00:39:07,918 --> 00:39:12,188
I hate it when this happens,
and it rarely happens.
761
00:39:12,190 --> 00:39:16,025
But in this particular situation,
762
00:39:16,027 --> 00:39:19,795
this home never should've been built.
763
00:39:19,797 --> 00:39:22,732
This area never should've been developed.
764
00:39:22,734 --> 00:39:28,304
There is truly something
supernatural going on
765
00:39:28,306 --> 00:39:33,876
that people, way long ago, before us,
766
00:39:33,878 --> 00:39:37,263
knew and respected and stayed away from.
767
00:39:37,265 --> 00:39:40,516
And, unfortunately, the white man came
768
00:39:40,518 --> 00:39:44,003
and just obliterated those belief systems,
769
00:39:44,005 --> 00:39:48,090
and the people who were
respecting those places,
770
00:39:48,092 --> 00:39:50,593
we didn't listen to them.
771
00:39:52,646 --> 00:39:56,465
With that being said,
I think you should move.
772
00:39:59,786 --> 00:40:02,672
I don't think that anybody should live here.
773
00:40:02,674 --> 00:40:04,974
I don't think it's safe for anyone
774
00:40:04,976 --> 00:40:07,043
with this situation going on.
775
00:40:07,045 --> 00:40:09,178
So, what do we do with the house?
776
00:40:09,180 --> 00:40:11,080
I mean, nobody can live here.
777
00:40:11,082 --> 00:40:12,915
It's a lot to absorb,
778
00:40:12,917 --> 00:40:15,718
because I've got everything
sunk into this house right now.
779
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:17,586
Sounds like it's just gonna get worse.
780
00:40:17,588 --> 00:40:20,489
If you were to stay, you'd have to sage,
781
00:40:20,491 --> 00:40:21,957
like, twice a day every day
782
00:40:21,959 --> 00:40:23,559
until you got a shaman
783
00:40:23,561 --> 00:40:26,645
who was from this tribe that was displaced.
784
00:40:26,647 --> 00:40:29,215
What that person would be able to do
785
00:40:29,217 --> 00:40:32,368
is create a protective barrier,
786
00:40:32,370 --> 00:40:34,520
but only for the house.
787
00:40:34,522 --> 00:40:38,207
The problem is,
is that you'll be safe in the house.
788
00:40:39,543 --> 00:40:40,976
But you're not safe outside.
789
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:43,879
You can leave the house,
790
00:40:43,881 --> 00:40:45,648
things aren't gonna follow you in
791
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:47,049
because you'll have the protective barrier.
792
00:40:47,051 --> 00:40:50,820
But there's things all the time out there
793
00:40:50,822 --> 00:40:53,723
that could potentially harm you.
794
00:40:53,725 --> 00:40:55,758
So, this guy, Beamon, that was the first...
795
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,893
was probably right about
what's going on here.
796
00:40:57,895 --> 00:40:59,428
Yeah, yeah.
797
00:40:59,430 --> 00:41:02,098
You think he brought it on,
or you think he just...
798
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:05,601
I think he feels guilty.
I think he thinks he did.
799
00:41:05,603 --> 00:41:08,754
You know, I know the money
situation here was not good.
800
00:41:08,756 --> 00:41:12,708
I mean, you sunk everything into this place.
801
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:13,843
I mean, what are you gonna try to do?
802
00:41:13,845 --> 00:41:15,211
Do you have any idea?
803
00:41:15,213 --> 00:41:19,448
I'm gonna have to get ahold of the shaman,
we'll start there.
804
00:41:19,450 --> 00:41:22,635
I have sage in my drawer. I'll start saging.
805
00:41:22,637 --> 00:41:24,019
We'll get through this,
806
00:41:24,021 --> 00:41:27,189
and we'll get out of here
and we'll have a better time.
807
00:41:27,191 --> 00:41:29,325
I mean, right now,
we're just living in our own hell.
808
00:41:31,995 --> 00:41:33,329
You didn't think it was gonna be this rough?
809
00:41:33,331 --> 00:41:34,864
I knew it was gonna be rough.
810
00:41:34,866 --> 00:41:37,099
I just didn't know it
was gonna be this rough.
811
00:41:37,101 --> 00:41:41,504
There's a silver lining,
you know what caused your fighting,
812
00:41:41,506 --> 00:41:44,356
which caused you guys to be
on the verge of breaking up.
813
00:41:44,358 --> 00:41:46,842
Maybe now you know why,
maybe you can work things out.
814
00:41:46,844 --> 00:41:48,043
That'd be nice.
815
00:41:48,045 --> 00:41:51,080
Yeah, I just got to get back to being myself again
816
00:41:51,082 --> 00:41:52,581
and things might be better.
817
00:41:52,583 --> 00:41:56,252
AMY: I really wish I had
better news for Lori and Devin,
818
00:41:56,254 --> 00:42:00,156
but the activity surrounding
their home is so powerful.
819
00:42:00,158 --> 00:42:01,957
The only way to ensure their safety
820
00:42:01,959 --> 00:42:04,460
is to get as far away from
this property as possible.
821
00:42:04,510 --> 00:42:09,060
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