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It's my pleasure to introduce
three girls
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who made a tremendous impact in
America and in the charts here too.
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Welcome to Martha and the Vandellas.
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# Calling out... #
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People always reference Motown
as being, you know,
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the pinnacle of achievement.
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These young people
changed music forever.
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So I was like, I wonder
who these American groups are?
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I've never heard them, the kind of
funny names.
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The Miracles and Marvelettes.
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Dave was fairly well
single-handedly responsible
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for bringing
Motown to the British public.
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He helped in every way
that you can possibly imagine
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to further our career.
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It was bringing heaven to your
hometown. It was extraordinary.
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And I got on stage and there was
Stevie Wonder, waiting.
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"After show, went backstage
and met everybody."
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"What a day!"
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Well, this middle bit was totally
empty.
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Well, they called it the Ghost Tour.
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Motown was more than just
great music.
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It was a total game-changer
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in terms of perception
of what black people are.
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That was the power of Motown.
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That was the power of the music
that was coming from Motown.
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So much energy,
so much presentation.
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I mean, we're just going,
"Oh, my God, this is the future."
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A man called Dave Godin
lived at Church Road.
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Dave was a guy who set a base
for soul music in the UK.
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In the '60s as I was
growing up as a teenager,
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there wasn't much opportunity
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to hear rhythm and blues and soul
music on the radio,
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and Bexleyheath was kind of the
catalyst,
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if you like, for actually bringing
rhythm and blues
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to a wider set of ears.
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When we talk about Motown coming
to Britain,
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who would imagine
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that it was in a terraced
house in Bexleyheath
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that the whole thing started?
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Dave Godin was a young
lad born in Peckham.
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His dad was a milkman.
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His mother was a cleaner.
And when he was six, he realised
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he was totally different
to everybody else,
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but he didn't know why.
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He saw things a different
way to other people and...
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And that's how he lived
the rest of his life.
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He was a pacifist, an anarchist,
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human rights, animal rights
activist.
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He joined any club he could
get his hands on.
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# Mama
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# He treats your daughter mean... #
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Dave Godin, he's going to the Silver
Lounge ice cream parlour
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in Bexleyheath every Friday
night for a knickerbocker glory.
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It was like a school treat.
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He got a brand new jukebox set
up in the corner,
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spanking, brand-new, shiny
American jukebox.
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And this great music was belting
out of it.
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And it hit him straight,
the only thought, "What's this?"
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# Oh, Mama
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# He treats your daughter mean... #
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And the chap who'd put it on,
he said, "Do you like that record?"
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I said, "God, it's marvellous."
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And he said, "Oh, that's
American rhythm and blues."
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# ..meanest man I've ever seen... #
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I couldn't believe it.
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The lyrics, it was...
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It was a female singing
like a woman.
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"He treats your daughter mean."
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"He's the meanest man
I've ever seen."
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It was a road to Damascus moment.
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# I believe it's breaking
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# Mama, I've stood about all that
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# I keep saying what's the matter
with this man...
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It's about soul, the voice.
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There's something there that draws
you in
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that is authentic and real.
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It's not just a singer singing a
song for entertainment's sake.
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It's something else going on there.
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And I think that's
what attracted Dave.
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And that music really set him
on a path
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that we know led
ultimately to Motown.
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# ..I've ever seen. #
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To understand what happened
with Motown,
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you kind of have to know a little
bit
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about how it came about.
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# Oh, yeah
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# Come on
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# Little girl
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# Yeah, yeah... #
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Berry Gordy, the founder of Motown,
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was a songwriter.
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It wasn't a business like
the existing record company.
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# I'm so lonely... #
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You had this building
on West Grand Boulevard
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and it was in a racist country.
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You had a black man
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start a record company
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that the motto was not
the sound of black America,
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it was the sound of young America.
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# You know I miss you baby
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# Well, I just come when... #
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Berry's early work experience was,
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he worked on the assembly line in
Detroit for Ford.
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And he'd basically seen
the way the cars are put together.
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# Come to me... #
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He thought, "If I could watch a
piece of metal come on one side"
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"and go through all these steps
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"and come out a car,
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"why can't I take an artist
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"and mould
them into becoming a star?"
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# Hey, hey
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# You know I miss you, baby... #
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It was a lot of fun for us
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because we'd never really been in a
recording studio before.
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So when Motown, Hitsville came
about,
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you know, it was like, whoa!
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You know now we've really,
really made it here.
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# ..the lights are burnin' low... #
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You get the writers, then you need
the performers,
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but then you need
the producers to kind of polish it.
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And then you need marketing people.
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You know, and so he did it in a kind
of assembly line-type way.
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So that was the
creative vision behind Motown.
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# ..no more
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# Come to me
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# Oh, I miss you... #
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It's a little house, but everybody
came there
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wanting to do great things.
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So, you can imagine
what it was like in there.
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I mean, when you listen
to some of the Motown records,
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you can literally hear the drum kit
moving around.
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And they left it in!
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They left all that stuff.
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But those things is what made
it sound so...
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..different.
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It was that rawness.
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# ..you've been gone too long
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# Tell me that you're coming... #
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There was no question what was going
to happen from day one.
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Berry Gordy was going to conquer
the world.
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# Wait a minute, Mr Postman
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# Wait... #
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At that point in the '60s,
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we'd just shaken off the aftermath
of the war
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and young people actually
stopped looking backwards.
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They started looking forward.
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# Mr Po-o-ostman... #
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I think most people in Britain
really had no idea
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of what Motown was then.
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# There must be some word today... #
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The number of people who were into
early Motown was tiny.
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It really was like a
fairly obscure cult.
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# Is there a letter,
a letter for... #
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There was a magic.
There was an intensity.
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# ..standing here waiting... #
You know, it got its hooks into you.
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It just really was extraordinary.
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I mean, it was unlike
any other pop music
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that you would hear
on the radio in Britain.
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# ..saying he's returning
home to me
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# Please Mr Postman... #
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You know, the first time Dave Godin
ever heard the Marvelettes,
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Please, Mr Postman, he went mental.
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He once played it ten times
non-stop in a row
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because he liked it that much.
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# Whoa, yeah... #
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It presses buttons inside your head
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which you can respond to.
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You may not be able to put
it into words...
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..um...
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..but you feel it.
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It communicates in an invisible way,
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and it doesn't just communicate
through the head,
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it communicates through the guts as
well.
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Nobody really knew other
than the, you know,
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the devotees, the weirdos,
the nerds,
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the ones who needed to know
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about this music and loved it.
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People didn't necessarily know
what the Motor City of Detroit was.
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# So many days,
you've passed me by... #
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You felt like you were part
of a kind of niche.
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You had your own music
and your own way of doing things.
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# By leaving me... #
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If you lived outside
of, certainly the big cities,
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you were unlikely to have come
across Motown.
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If you lived in Liverpool,
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you probably did because records
came in in the ports, you know.
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Then you really didn't hear anything
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except the mainstream pop
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that was being played on the radio
at the time.
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# In a matter of moments
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# In a matter of moments,
in a matter of moments... #
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You have to put pop music
in the early '60s in the context
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of where and how will people
go to hear it.
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There were limitations.
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There was... it was difficult.
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You know, you really...
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The BBC wasn't the place
to hear pop music very much
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and what they played tended
to be a lot of British music.
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There'll be a Cliff Richard
or the Shadows or Marty Wilde
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or any of the big pop stars
of the day.
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# In a matter... #
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I don't think music was exciting
before Motown for me.
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I really didn't like Frank
Ifield and Cliff Richard.
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Sorry.
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# Then the world is yours. #
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Drab.
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It really was drab.
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So what happened was, originally, the
BBC had kind of ignored pop music
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and along came offshore radio
and they were playing, you know,
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pop 24 hours a day, basically.
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# Like a baby boy... #
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Radio Luxembourg was
a medium wave station
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broadcasting from Luxembourg.
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And so the reception was very,
very patchy.
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# ..to give you all I know... #
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And Radio Caroline was
our pirate radio station,
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anchored off in the North Sea.
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# And I'm tellin' the world... #
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Somehow, I was listening to the
radio
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and in amongst all this strange
stuff,
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you heard Pride and Joy by Marvin
Gaye.
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Or Mickey's Monkey by the Miracles.
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And it was just fantastic.
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Those days, nearly every artist
had a fan club,
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but they'd
be amateur fan clubs.
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It wouldn't be anything to do with
the record label in particular.
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Dave Godin wrote
to Berry Gordy and said,
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"Can I start a fan club?"
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# Come on... #
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A shock surprise letter came back.
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"Yes, you can."
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Wow.
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It became the Tamla-Motown
Appreciation Society.
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# ..one more chance #
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# Shooby dooby... #
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Berry Gordy had a whole family of
little soul labels -
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Tamla, Motown,
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Gordy, Soul,
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VIP.
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Dave was the first person to use
the expression Tamla Motown.
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# ..Cos you don't know
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# What to do... #
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Everything was done in this, like,
12x12 bedroom
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in a house in Bexleyheath.
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# ..all of my pain... #
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Dave typed every single issue
himself, did the layouts.
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The lettering was done
with a product called Letraset.
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# You said move, mister man,
cos you don't know
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# What to do... #
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Cut and paste, little diagrams
here and there.
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The days where you had to cover your
mistakes with a bit of Tipp-Ex.
254
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# Hey, well now I love you baby... #
255
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It's the life of the artisan.
256
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You own the means of production,
257
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and Dave was hot for that.
258
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# You better take another look
There's something in your eye... #
259
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See, I do actually see art
as having a didactic purpose.
260
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I do feel that art, in a sense,
should be a vehicle
261
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for conveying ideas.
262
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# You said move... #
263
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And you look at these magazines now
that he produced, they're iconic.
264
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# What to do... #
265
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He didn't get paid.
He just did it for the love of it.
266
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# Pay no attention to the other... #
267
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Five shillings, I think it was.
268
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So, I sent off my postal order...
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..to Church Road, Bexleyheath, Kent.
270
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And a few days later, got a little
sort of handmade card.
271
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# You better take another look
There's something... #
272
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You've got a badge
which said "Swinger and friend",
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with two fists on it.
274
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# Thinkin' that everything was
really all right... #
275
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Little newsletter coming through
the letterbox
276
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was your way to find
out about this whole other world.
277
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# ..cos you don't know... #
278
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It was spreading the word, spreading
the gospel about the music.
279
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Yes, it was sort of quite obsessive.
280
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# ..come on... #
281
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Dave was fairly well
single-handedly responsible
282
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for bringing Motown
to the British public.
283
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Little Stevie Wonder was the first
Motown artist to appear in the UK.
284
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He performed on Ready, Steady, Go
in December, 1963.
285
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# Playin' my harmonica
in a mellow way... #
286
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Ready, Steady, Go was THE pop show.
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It was, you know, the most important
one.
288
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And we always used to watch
it because, you know,
289
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any pop fan would.
290
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# I call it pretty music
But the old... #
291
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He was 13 years old and Dusty
Springfield and myself
292
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had gone to the Olympia in Paris
basically to see the Shirelles,
293
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but we didn't know that the package
included Dionne Warwick,
294
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who was absolutely fabulous,
and little Stevie Wonder.
295
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And we went back afterwards
and talked to Stevie's people
296
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and said, "What are you doing
after the Olympia?"
297
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And they said, "Going home."
298
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And we said, "No, no, no,
you're coming to London first
299
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"to be on Ready, Steady."
300
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And they said yes. So, that was
the first Motown artist
301
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on Ready, Steady, Go.
302
00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,280
# I couldn't figure out what they
was sayin'
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# They couldn't understand
what I was playin'... #
304
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So much energy, so much
presentation, included the audience.
305
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They loved him, and so did we.
306
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I mean, we're just going,
"Oh, my God, this is the future."
307
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It is my pleasure to introduce three
girls
308
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who made a tremendous impact in
America and in the charts here too.
309
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It's welcome to
Martha and the Vandellas.
310
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The Ready, Steady, Go
was absolutely essential.
311
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If you were in the pop music
business in the early 1960s,
312
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you needed
to be on that TV show in Britain.
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It was... The Beatles did it,
The Stones did it.
314
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All of the big stars.
315
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So, as you say,
you had a record ready, but no name.
316
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It's an unusual step...
317
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We were fortunate enough to
get a recording before a record.
318
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There was a sense of pride,
if you like,
319
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because as a black person,
320
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there weren't many people of your
kind of background and colour
321
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to even look at.
322
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You know, so when you saw people
323
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and they were really good,
324
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that was a real bonus.
325
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So we sat down together,
the three of us,
326
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including Berry Gordy, our boss,
327
00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,200
and we put the words together
and made Vandellas.
328
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# Whenever I'm with him
329
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# Something inside
330
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# Starts to burning
331
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# And I'm filled with desire. #
332
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Friday night ritual was watching
Ready, Steady, Go.
333
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Not just because of the British
artists that were on there,
334
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but of course, of the American
artists,
335
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because we got to see people that
even in America
336
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didn't necessarily get to be on,
like, a major Friday night TV show.
337
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It was amazing.
338
00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,240
# ...blood pressure got a hold
on me
339
00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,000
# Or is this way love's supposed
to be?
340
00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,160
# It's like a heatwave
341
00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,560
# Burning in my heart
342
00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:27,960
# Like a heatwave...
343
00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,360
We would have meetings and we would
listen to the records
344
00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:31,920
and people would say, "I love that."
345
00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,880
Sometimes I'd have to argue and say,
346
00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,160
"I'm going to book it
whether you like it or not."
347
00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,000
But not very often.
348
00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,280
Usually, everybody was agreed on
what we could and should do.
349
00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:50,120
# Nothing you could say could
tear me away from my guy... #
350
00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,440
Motown really didn't mean
anything in Britain
351
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until, you could argue, 1964.
352
00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,000
I mean, the first hit that Motown
had in Britain
353
00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,320
was Mary Wells, My Guy.
354
00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,280
Top five in the British charts.
355
00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,880
# Like birds of a feather,
we stick together... #
356
00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,640
And Motown was fortunate in
following it up fairly swiftly
357
00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,680
after My Guy with the Supremes.
358
00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,040
# Baby love, my baby love
359
00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,360
# I need you, oh, how I need you
360
00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,920
# When all you do is treat me bad
361
00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,440
# Break my heart and leave me sad
362
00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,160
# Tell me, what did I do wrong... #
363
00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,400
When you have hits, people
want to know more about you
364
00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,480
and then, so what is Motown
and who is Berry Gordy
365
00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:36,960
and where do they come from?
366
00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,120
# Been missing ya,
miss kissing ya... #
367
00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:44,960
The Supremes definitely paved
the way for every girl band
368
00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,600
that's ever existed ever since.
369
00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,520
# Let's do some kissing and
making up... #
370
00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,320
You couldn't have had
Destiny's Child
371
00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,120
if you never had the Supremes,
right?
372
00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:56,000
# In my arms, why don't you stay?
373
00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,040
# Need ya, need ya...
374
00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,440
Baby Love, or, you know,
375
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,240
anything that the Supremes did,
376
00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,800
you just wanted to be them.
377
00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,680
They looked great.
378
00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,680
# Baby love, my baby love
379
00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,760
# Why must we separate, my love
380
00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,880
# All of my whole life through... #
381
00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,080
I remember clearly seeing
the Supremes on Top Of The Pops.
382
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,840
# Why you do me like you do?
383
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,080
You know, to see black people
on the television
384
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:36,040
doing their music and singing
so... so beautiful songs
385
00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,920
and songs that reminisce
with you as a black person,
386
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,320
oh, God, yeah, it was - it was
amazing.
387
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,040
You go to work in the morning
and your shoulder would be high up,
388
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,840
sort of, you know,
seeing those black folks.
389
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,640
# ..my baby love
390
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,040
# I need you, oh, how I need you
391
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,320
# Why you do me like you do
392
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,760
# After I've been true to you
393
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,200
# So deep in love... #
394
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,840
Bands of the '60s, there's so
few black musicians.
395
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,800
I remember Georgie Fame
and the Blue Flames
396
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,920
had a black percussion player,
and that stood out to me.
397
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,880
People would say, "Is that your
uncle?",
398
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,040
because they didn't see
any other black people either.
399
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,920
You know? So that's how rare it was.
400
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,200
# Don't throw our love away... #
401
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,720
The truth is that at that time,
black people basically didn't count.
402
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,280
I lived in a place called
Whitehaven.
403
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,960
Very appropriately named back then.
404
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:41,040
And we were basically the only black
family in the town.
405
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:46,240
The minority was such a minority
that it wasn't a consideration.
406
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,640
We were invisible.
407
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,000
I think one of the things
that was a theme and a strand
408
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,560
that ran through Dave Godin's
life was being radical.
409
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,400
He was obviously very aware
of race as an issue.
410
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,640
Then he realised that he couldn't
just champion black American music.
411
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,520
He also had to fight racism
along the line as well.
412
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,800
They were hand in hand.
413
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,280
We've got a big war on here.
We've got to fight you both.
414
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,400
We've got to champion the music
415
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,760
and get rid of the racism
that goes with it,
416
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,480
and he would not stand for any
racism whatsoever
417
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,040
in his entire life.
418
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,120
What I loved about black American
music was,
419
00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:31,960
I mean, politically, I'd been aware
420
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,920
of the struggle of black American
people.
421
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,280
The injustice that black
American people had suffered.
422
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:49,120
You know, Dave Godin felt a
sense of a need for black music
423
00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,880
to get that recognition.
424
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,840
That was part of what drove him.
425
00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:01,120
Berry Gordy was very clear
that when the Supremes
426
00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:02,960
had their first hits in Britain,
427
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,720
his whole attitude completely
changed.
428
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,040
So it just changed his whole
perception
429
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,720
of what could be possible.
430
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,800
And I think that that
really was the catalyst, in a sense,
431
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,080
for him wanting to bring
Dave over to America.
432
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,880
I think Berry Gordy was impressed
433
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,280
by the way Dave handled
himself in Britain,
434
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,240
the way he'd published a magazine.
435
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,720
They were intrigued by this fact
436
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,520
that there was this guy on the other
side of the Atlantic
437
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,000
who seemed to know quite a lot
438
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,960
about the music
and who they were.
439
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,680
They sent him a telegram,
inviting him to visit the US.
440
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,280
I mean, can you imagine
what he must have felt like?
441
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,840
And they showed him all
around the buildings,
442
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,360
then Marvin Gaye turned up, and
he sat talking to Marvin Gaye,
443
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:55,080
and he's meeting everybody in there.
444
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,520
Martha Reeves, all this sort
of stuff.
445
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,840
And he became massive friends
with them all.
446
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:07,360
Dave was probably the greatest
example
447
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:12,000
of love and pushing forth our
career, for sure,
448
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,200
because he took such an interest
449
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,960
in who we were
and what we were doing.
450
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,400
We corresponded often.
451
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,280
We had a very close relationship
where I felt like I could share,
452
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,040
you know, intimate details
453
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,400
that you wouldn't do
with just anybody.
454
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,440
I think Berry Gordy brought him
over
455
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,720
because Berry Gordy was a smart
businessman,
456
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,120
and he saw an amazing opportunity
457
00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:48,160
for this whole stable
of artists that he was building.
458
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,360
And the idea of having someone
in Britain
459
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:54,080
who would be an advocate
for that obviously appealed to him.
460
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,200
Berry Gordy came to rely on him,
came to trust his opinions.
461
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,880
He had Berry Gordy's ear.
462
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,000
The fact is, they put Dave
on the payroll
463
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,320
and he got paid to do the Tamla
Motown Appreciation Society,
464
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,680
and he got paid to do
the magazine Hitsville USA.
465
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,040
So that was obviously
a business move.
466
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,040
Dave actually said,
"You've got too many labels."
467
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,360
"You need an identity for what
you're selling in Britain."
468
00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:33,200
And he literally wrote all Berry
Gordy's label names down
469
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,680
on slips of paper, chopped them up,
moved them around on a table
470
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,760
until two words came together
that said Tamla Motown.
471
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,960
And Gordy loved it. He says,
"Yeah, that's great."
472
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,960
And a lot of people don't realise
that actually,
473
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,280
that was a British thing.
474
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,720
There is no Tamla Motown in America.
475
00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:58,880
So it is quite safe to say
476
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,560
that if Dave Godin had never
existed,
477
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,560
we would not have the label
Tamla Motown.
478
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:11,800
This came in an envelope one morning
and I thought, "What's this?
479
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,480
"Why am I getting a record?"
480
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,520
It was a treasure to behold.
481
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,960
This is the Hitsville USA
482
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,840
greeting Tamla Motown
Appreciation Society members,
483
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,040
the record that was sent to TMAS
members by Dave Godin
484
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,840
on behalf of the Motown Recording
Corporation.
485
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,720
Greetings to all of you,
swingers and friends.
486
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,360
This is Berry Gordy Junior.
487
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:43,560
It was a real pleasure meeting Dave
and getting first-hand information
488
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,400
about the music scene over there.
489
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,760
A cherished memory.
490
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,280
It was like hearing from old
friends
491
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,240
that they'd taken the time
and the trouble
492
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,440
to go into the studio and record
the dedication to us.
493
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,520
And, yeah, I was there.
494
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,360
I'm pleased to say I was there.
495
00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:00,080
Hi there, swingers and friends.
496
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,600
This is Billy Smokey Robinson
of the Miracles,
497
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,240
extending our greetings to all the
Tamla Motown fans in England.
498
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,040
We're looking forward to coming
over and seeing you very soon.
499
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,000
# Nowhere to run to, baby
500
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000
# Nowhere to hide... #
501
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,880
There was a big to-do,
you could say,
502
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,560
about the fact that there was going
to be this review coming to Britain,
503
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,760
with all these artists from Detroit.
504
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,240
It was in the NME.
505
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,080
When I saw it advertised,
I was on the bus downtown...
506
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,360
..to get my tickets.
507
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:45,880
I could never have imagined
seeing them in real life.
508
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,120
For me, as a fan,
509
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:51,400
learning that those artists were
coming to the UK,
510
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,640
I was going to be
able to see them in concert,
511
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,280
you know, it was bringing
heaven to your hometown.
512
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,520
It was extraordinary.
513
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,960
The artists, in the second week of
March, began to fly into London.
514
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,640
Martha and the Vandellas, and Stevie
and the Miracles, and the Supremes,
515
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,120
Earl Van Dyke and the band,
516
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,760
and The Temptations,
who came in only for promotion.
517
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,520
They didn't join the tour.
518
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,000
We were in awe, a state of awe,
because it was a shock to us
519
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,400
to see that we were being received
so wonderfully well
520
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,480
by the English people.
521
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,360
That was the power of Motown.
522
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:28,800
That was the power of the music
that was coming from Motown.
523
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,400
I was a newspaperman at
the Detroit Free Press,
524
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,840
and one day one of the Motown
guys said,
525
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,560
"Hey, we're all going to London.
526
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,160
"Why don't you come along
and write stories about it?"
527
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,320
I thought this was really exciting.
528
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,800
And so I ended up going with them.
529
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,120
Even as a 30-year-old journalist,
I'd spent time
530
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,080
with consequential people.
531
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,080
What made this group so unique
was its accessibility.
532
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,920
You could sit and have a
conversation with anybody,
533
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,680
and they were young and open,
and in so many ways innocent,
534
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,640
and would answer almost
any questions you'd ask.
535
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,360
We were beyond excitement, because,
you know,
536
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:25,000
you're talking about actually
another world,
537
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,160
something outside of the United
States, you know, another country.
538
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,120
They'd come off that plane, and all
of a sudden
539
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,800
there was all these kids
with these little bunches of flowers
540
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,800
and chocolates and banners
saying, "We welcome you."
541
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,680
You wouldn't get that these days,
would you?
542
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,560
Nobody would do that.
543
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,120
It must have been a very magical
moment for Dave Godin.
544
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,760
You are watching
The Sounds of Motown.
545
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,400
Introduced by Dusty Springfield.
546
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,800
The Ready Steady Go special was done
basically by Dusty Springfield.
547
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,280
She loved the music.
548
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,520
Elkan Allan was my boss. I sat down
and said,
549
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,840
"You won't believe this, but they're
absolutely great.
550
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,520
"The music is incredible."
551
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,720
And he said, "Let me stop you.
Will Dusty present it?"
552
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:25,960
I said, "Oh, yes."
553
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,640
I thought, "She'd better", because
we hadn't even discussed it.
554
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:29,920
I said, "Yes, she will."
555
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,480
So he said, "OK, let's do it."
556
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,480
And so we did the first
Motown special.
557
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,560
And this next artist, he
really lives up to his name.
558
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,160
He was born blind, but he has
a fantastic musical talent.
559
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,320
He plays organ and piano
and harmonica and drums.
560
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,120
You name it, and he plays it.
And he's still only 15.
561
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,440
Here with his great new record,
Kiss Me, Baby, it's Stevie Wonder!
562
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,880
I mean, everybody was having a good
time.
563
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,760
# All you gotta do is hold him
And kiss him
564
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,320
# And love him
And show him that you care... #
565
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,240
Dusty was a wonderful spirit.
566
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,440
She was a great door opener
for Motown, for Motown's acts,
567
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,760
for Motown's music, the acceptance
of Motown.
568
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,320
So she was that kind of a power
hitter and power player,
569
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,920
that she really showed
and appreciated the love of Motown.
570
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,040
And with her being who she was,
people would listen.
571
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,880
# Thinkin' and a-prayin'
Wishin' and a-hopin'
572
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,560
# Just wishin' and hopin'
And thinkin' and prayin'... #
573
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,120
She was in her element.
574
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,480
It also was lovely because back
then,
575
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:02,000
Dusty was very new to everything
and she really enjoyed things.
576
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,960
# So if you're thinkin'
how great true... #
577
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,800
Like, just having fun.
578
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,320
And you can hear when she sings
the duet with Martha
579
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,960
on Wishin' And Hopin',
580
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,200
you could actually hear Dusty
laugh in the middle.
581
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,680
# Just do it... #
582
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,520
I mean, what a joy to hear that.
583
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,280
#..he likes to do
584
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,800
# You gotta wear your hair
just for him...#
585
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,040
Because Dusty and Martha
were friends,
586
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,040
I think they just arranged it
themselves
587
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,200
and nobody else got a look-in.
588
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,880
# You will be his. #
589
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,240
Just everybody was excited.
590
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:51,040
We knew that we were doing something
that was a...
591
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,440
It was kind of a miracle
592
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,280
because who on earth would let us
593
00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:00,000
have this many American black
artists on one show?
594
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,960
# Like the tale by the time
it's been told by more than one
595
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,520
# Woo, it's growing... #
596
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,800
We invited the Motown Appreciation.
597
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,520
Dave Godin was so important
598
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,960
and so much part of the birth
of Motown,
599
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,440
and little David Nathan,
who was probably 15 or 16
600
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,960
at that stage.
601
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,520
# Oh, how it grows and grows... #
602
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,040
It's true to say that
I had never seen
603
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,840
that many black
American artists all on one show.
604
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,880
I mean, I don't think anyone
had at that point,
605
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,520
unless you were going to America.
606
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,880
So it was an exciting experience.
607
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,960
What is it about Motown?
What is it about soul music?
608
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,440
It's the pain and the pleasure.
It's what's in there.
609
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,320
It's the pleasure and the pain.
610
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,800
I've been openly gay since 1967.
611
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,760
So the struggles,
the challenges of being, you know,
612
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,840
being gay in the '60s...
613
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,240
..I do sometimes think that if
I hadn't found this music,
614
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,840
hadn't found me, or I hadn't found
it, I don't know how easy
615
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,360
it would have been for me
to make it through life.
616
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,040
Honestly, I really mean that.
617
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,440
# And then she said, "Just because
you've become a young man now
618
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,240
# "There's still some things
that you don't understand now
619
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,520
# "Before you ask some girl for her
hand now..." #
620
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,920
The tour opened in two shows
in London, Finsbury Park, Astoria
621
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,360
and the Hammersmith Odeon.
622
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,960
And then they went out pretty
much every night
623
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,320
for the next three weeks.
624
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:46,880
They did 20 cities and towns
across England, Scotland and Wales,
625
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,680
went to Bournemouth, Wigan, Cardiff,
Manchester, Leicester.
626
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,560
Every major music city got to see
the Motown show that year.
627
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:03,160
Seeing it in my hometown
in Bristol, I'd be surprised
628
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,520
if there were 50 people
in the audience.
629
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,960
It would have been better
to have more people there.
630
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,240
But, however, people can only go
631
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:17,240
if they know you're going
to be there.
632
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:21,960
And getting the word out
was not the easiest always.
633
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,160
You know, you can't always expect
something to happen
634
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,960
that... If you don't know about it,
how can you show up?
635
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,080
So what happened was, on British
radio and television,
636
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,760
there were hardly any black people
at all.
637
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,000
So you can understand
that when you had these records
638
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,640
coming in by, ostensibly, a black
music record label,
639
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,640
people didn't really know what to
think.
640
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,560
Were they going to give
this the same treatment
641
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,400
as they were giving the normal
pop stuff?
642
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,720
Or were they going to think,
"Well, I'm not too sure about this,
643
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:57,160
"it's going to have to prove
itself"?
644
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,160
And I think they took the latter,
645
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,360
which is, "It's going
to have to prove itself."
646
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,320
Motown fans were in a real
minority
647
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,120
and they saw
the world slightly differently.
648
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,520
You know, they just thought,
"Oh, this is great music."
649
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,280
# There's still some things
that you don't understand now... #
650
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,440
I was a couple of rows
from the front, and I looked back
651
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,920
and if I saw 50 people, so what?
652
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:26,040
All I cared about was who was on
stage in front singing that music
653
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,400
that meant so much to me.
654
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,280
I mean, it was like at that moment,
655
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,040
I could have died and gone to
heaven.
656
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,600
# My mama told me
657
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,320
# You better shop around
658
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,560
# Oh, yeah, you better
shop around... #
659
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,880
The price of the tickets on the
Motortown Revue live performances
660
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,720
were like a couple of bob
more than the Stones were charging.
661
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,280
And I don't know who thought
that that was a good idea.
662
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,240
Because the sales
were really not good,
663
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:01,840
they added Georgie Fame
to shows out of town.
664
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,680
So, Georgie, you know,
helped sell some tickets.
665
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,480
# Every evening
when all my day's work is through
666
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,040
# I call my baby
and ask her what shall we do
667
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,680
# I mention movies
but she don't seem to dig that
668
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,840
# And then she ask me
Why don't I come to her flat... #
669
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,360
Early '65, we'd just had our first
number one hit.
670
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,200
So we were kind of flavour of the
month at that particular time.
671
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,080
# That's what I say
I say yeah, yeah... #
672
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,680
We were tickled pink, I think
is the phrase, just to think
673
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,280
that we were of the same importance
674
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,800
musically to be part of that, too.
675
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,360
# She never misses
She gives it all that she's got... #
676
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,120
We were in two coaches.
It was the musicians
677
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,880
who were on one coach,
and the artists on another.
678
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,840
Well, touring was awful because
there were no motorways
679
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,160
to start with.
680
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,440
So you were travelling
on country roads.
681
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,440
Each theatre had a catchment area
which was 50 miles around it,
682
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,400
so you couldn't do two consecutive
dates within 50 miles
683
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,880
of one another.
684
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,240
So you had to go north, south,
up town, all over the place.
685
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:07,680
#..you and me
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah... #
686
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,640
It was pretty much
a really gruelling tour.
687
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:16,280
Some of the places were quite
a distance, and having the schedule,
688
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,400
you know, you wanted to make sure
that you did your very best
689
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,080
and not only just doing your best,
but while you were there, you know,
690
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,040
so you present yourself
well to your audience.
691
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,640
You didn't want to appear
like you were so tired,
692
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,320
you could barely make it
off the bus.
693
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:41,120
The tour bus was like a home,
but everybody got along.
694
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:46,040
Everybody knew that this was part
of the job.
695
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,760
Now, there were little spats
and all those kind of things
696
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,520
that happen in any household,
but this was one of those households
697
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,400
that would just... gloss it over.
698
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,160
Everybody would move on.
"It didn't happen."
699
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:05,120
There were games, there was singing.
700
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,960
There was, like, a lot of joking,
telling stories, you know,
701
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,040
all of the above that you could
think of to keep you entertained.
702
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,440
And not only just entertained,
but probably many times, awake.
703
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,080
I took my camera everywhere.
I was trying to film everything.
704
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,960
It was a hobby. It was something
else to do rather than music.
705
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,560
Bolex H8, I think it was called.
706
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,920
Pete Coe, the saxophone player,
and myself both bought cameras
707
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,320
around the same time.
708
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,720
We were trying to make little
documentaries
709
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:45,160
and all sorts of things, but on that
particular tour,
710
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,320
it was just filming
what was going on.
711
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,520
There were card games going on,
712
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,560
there were stories being told,
and just general banter.
713
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,760
It was great. It was very...
714
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,760
There was really no difference
between the American musicians
715
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,480
and the UK musicians.
716
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,120
We were all musicians.
717
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,080
So we all had the same interests
and the same...
718
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,120
The same long, boring coach
journeys.
719
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,240
I guess at the time, you don't
realise that you're shooting
720
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:14,840
a piece of history.
721
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,880
It was a great time to be someone
coming from the Caribbean.
722
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,640
You'd come here to watch a black
performance,
723
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,720
and that was something
that didn't happen regular.
724
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,800
1965, the year that the Motown
was here.
725
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,000
# Put on your red dress, baby
726
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,520
# Cos we're going out tonight... #
727
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:09,280
There was Stevie Wonder
on the stage, and I jumped on stage.
728
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:15,320
I was very young and agile at that
time, but now times have changed
729
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,840
and I can't jump as much
as I would like to.
730
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,320
And I got on stage,
and there was Stevie Wonder...
731
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,360
..there waiting.
732
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,520
# Put on your high-heel sneakers
733
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,560
# And wear your wig-hat on your head
734
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,440
# Oh, yeah... #
735
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,880
And I thought, "Here's my
opportunity to go up."
736
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,880
I shook his hand and went up.
737
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,560
"Hello, Stevie,
can I have your autograph?"
738
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,000
And he had one of those things
that blind people have,
739
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,200
and he signed the autograph.
740
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,920
# Some teacher seemed to have
gathered around
741
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,520
# Tryin' to figure out what I was
puttin' down... #
742
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,840
You could tell, from the
performance, that these guys are...
743
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,480
You know, something, something
mega is going to happen
744
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,480
to all these singers.
745
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,400
# Ain't that pretty mad? #
746
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,320
I'm a very lucky person,
747
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,920
very lucky person to be
born at that time.
748
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,560
I got to be one of those lucky
persons, and very fortunate as well
749
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,040
to have shook Stevie Wonder's hand,
750
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,440
have his autograph signed.
751
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,920
# Baby, everything is all right
752
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,200
# Uptight, out of sight... #
753
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,160
Another thing that touched me
about this group
754
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,720
was little Stevie Wonder.
755
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,520
I mean, he was really small.
He was really little.
756
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,840
He was just such a ball of energy,
such a dynamic performer.
757
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,000
Quite, quite extraordinary.
Quite an extraordinary talent.
758
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,280
# I guess that's
what you might say
759
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,760
# I guess her folks brought
her up that way
760
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,280
# The right side of the tracks... #
761
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,920
The Motown Revue, they're actually
doing two shows a day.
762
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:24,280
But one thing that Stevie remembers
was that when they went to Glasgow,
763
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,440
he actually lost the suit
because, after the first show,
764
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,040
somebody came out and said,
765
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,400
"Oh, suits for cleaning,
suits for cleaning,"
766
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,880
and whoever
was looking after Stevie at the time
767
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,880
gave them Stevie's suit to get
cleaned.
768
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,800
And, of course, it never came back.
769
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,160
So there's somebody in Glasgow
with a little Stevie Wonder suit.
770
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,080
I hope they appreciate it.
771
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,080
# The best things in life
are free
772
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,840
# But you can keep them
for the birds and bees
773
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,720
# Now give me money
That's what I want
774
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:59,320
# That's what I want
That's what I want #
775
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,280
The Beatles have a lot to do
with Motown.
776
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,920
And, of course, you know, we
shouldn't forget that the Supremes
777
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,640
did an album called
A Bit Of Liverpool.
778
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,160
# Your love give me a thrill... #
779
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,000
It was actually through the Beatles
780
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,920
that I became aware
of American R&B
781
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,040
and what would later become soul
music, and specifically
782
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:24,640
because they used to do cover
versions of Motown songs.
783
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,640
Money, You Really Got A Hold On Me,
and Please Mister Postman.
784
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,200
And what was great is,
they mentioned the names
785
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,920
of the original groups
on the sleeve notes
786
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,880
at the back of the LP.
787
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,240
So I was like, "I wonder who these
American groups are.
788
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:43,160
"I've never heard of them.
They've kind of funny names,
789
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,840
"The Miracles, the Marvelettes."
790
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,720
I'm like... I was kind of
intrigued, like, "Yeah, wow!"
791
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:50,680
# That's what I want... #
792
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:51,800
Groups like the Beatles,
793
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,120
they came from the same
working-class background that I did.
794
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,360
I think it was like the struggle
that people have
795
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,400
for making it in life.
796
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,600
And maybe one of the connecting
tissues
797
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:10,240
between Motown and the working-class
kids of Britain
798
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:14,400
was the sense of struggle, because
the odds were not in our favour.
799
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,680
Liverpool was really quite buzzing
800
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,200
with all the music stuff
that was going on.
801
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,520
Groups were big then.
802
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,600
It was the Mersey sound
and everything going on.
803
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,560
It was thriving, wasn't it, Frank?
Yeah.
804
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,520
It was on the map.
805
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,960
# It's been a hard day's night... #
806
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,360
A lot of my friends, they worked
in NEMS, a record store
807
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,160
which is owned by Brian Epstein.
808
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,280
Then they said, "Do you want to come
to these parties
809
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,040
"up on Parnham Street?"
810
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,680
Motown was like an underground
force.
811
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,800
It was the whole black community,
really, you know?
812
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,960
They weren't allowed in the clubs
in the city centre -
813
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,960
the white clubs, in other words.
814
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,760
And they started their own.
815
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,280
I didn't feel like I was in
Liverpool
816
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,560
because it was all purely
American music
817
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,720
and it was
so different to where I lived
818
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:11,880
in a village on the Wirral.
819
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,280
I felt very proud of the fact
that we were onto something.
820
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,800
Chance to meet like-minded people.
821
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:26,160
Being a Motown fan helped establish
the relationship with Frank.
822
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,240
Frank Collins and Harold Carter.
823
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,880
They were in a band
called The Excels.
824
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,080
It's a lifelong friendship through
all of Motown, I would say.
825
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,600
I thought they were as good as any
of the Motown acts.
826
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,800
They were incredible,
and they never, ever sounded
827
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,440
like a white group at all.
828
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,080
You could have just put them
on Motown
829
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,200
and nobody
would have known the difference.
830
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,680
It was through Motown and,
you know, being huge fans
831
00:45:54,680 --> 00:46:00,120
and being so inspired by Motown,
we did form The Excels.
832
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,000
Everyone was following the Beatles
sort of sound and whatever,
833
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,800
Gerry and the Pacemakers
and all that lot.
834
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,480
But we were just big Motown
fanatics.
835
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,120
After you.
836
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,360
Frank, how are you?
837
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,960
Yeah, where have you been
all my life?
838
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,120
I was sitting in the back.
In the cheap seats.
839
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,120
And you were in the posh seats.
I remember...
840
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,480
And all this middle
bit was totally empty.
841
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,080
We were down there.
842
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,680
Well, they called it the ghost tour.
843
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:42,880
Apparently.
844
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,120
I just remember, we were so excited.
845
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,960
It was amazing, wasn't it, to see
all those artists in one place?
846
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:58,600
I think we'd all gone backstage,
you know, trying to get autographs.
847
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,480
But I think they'd already gone.
848
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,520
Anyway, we decided to make our way
home.
849
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:08,880
We saw Stevie Wonder and his tutor
and his musical director
850
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,880
having dinner
through the glass door.
851
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,000
Anyway, we decided to burst out into
On the pavement outside.
852
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,640
We started singing this song called
I Wonder, which was a Crystals song,
853
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,080
but it had the name Wonder in,
so that's why we chose it.
854
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,000
And Stevie Wonder comes
out with his tutor, saying,
855
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,120
"Sign them up, sign them up."
856
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,120
Anyway, from that, they invited us
to the Chester show,
857
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,880
and we ended up auditioning in
Stevie Wonder's hotel room.
858
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,560
Wow, what a memory.
859
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,240
Isn't it great
we can still remember it, though?
860
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:40,760
They were big moments in our
lives, all that, you know?
861
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,880
Still
Yeah.
862
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,960
I'll just never forget those times.
What was it? Mama...
863
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,240
We've got to find the right
key for her.
864
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,920
# Somebody I could call my own
865
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,720
# So when the stars are
shining bright
866
00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:58,080
# I'll dream about the boy
who's gonna hold me tight
867
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,480
# And I
868
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,160
# Wonder who he'll be
869
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,800
# Wonder if he'll be good to me
870
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,520
# Wonder, gosh, oh, gee
871
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,680
# Wonder if he'll love me for ever
872
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,160
# I wonder for ever... #
873
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,320
What?
874
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,240
# Stop! In the name of love
875
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:29,800
# Before you break my heart
876
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,040
# Think it over
877
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,440
# Think it over
878
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:42,640
# I've known of your
Your secluded nights
879
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,080
# I've even seen her
Maybe once or twice... #
880
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,520
This is my 1965 diary,
881
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:56,000
and the entry
for Saturday, 3rd April.
882
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,400
"Tamla Motown Revue, City Hall,"
it says at the top.
883
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,160
"The Beatles were on Thank Your
Lucky Stars, but I missed that.
884
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,240
"Went to town with M around
11.30.
885
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:09,760
"Had dinner..." That's lunch.
886
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,920
"..in the Pit..."
That's the Paletta.
887
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,960
"..then went to City Hall.
888
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,120
"Saw all except Miracles and Stevie.
889
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,480
"After show, went backstage
and met everybody.
890
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,720
"What a day."
891
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,400
Absolutely.
892
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,400
It was very exciting.
893
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,560
I had heard a couple of the live
albums they did
894
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,760
of the Motortown Revue,
and I'd read about it.
895
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,320
And, you know, you talk
about the Apollo, Harlem
896
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,760
and places like that.
897
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,520
Newcastle City Hall didn't seem
quite the same.
898
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,360
It just seemed amazing to me
that it wasn't completely full.
899
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,160
I did go and buy Diana Ross
some pantyhose.
900
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,360
They were just getting
their beautiful gowns
901
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,800
and everything sorted out.
902
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,320
And Diana Ross had got a snag
in her pantyhose.
903
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,360
She said, "Oh, I need some
pantyhose."
904
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,280
And I said, "I know where
I can get some.
905
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,120
"I know where I can get some."
So I dashed out.
906
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,640
Shops shut at 5:30 in those days.
907
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,560
So you couldn't even rush out
and buy anything.
908
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,600
In the main street in Newcastle, in
Northumberland Street,
909
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,440
there was a machine
that sold tights.
910
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,880
And they only had one size
and one colour.
911
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,480
So I got...
912
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,960
I got this little box
of pantyhose tights and rushed back
913
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,600
and handed them over, and I believe
she put them on.
914
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,360
It was the days of tights
in machines.
915
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,360
If only they had them now.
916
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:48,920
It was just extraordinary
917
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,600
how personable they were
918
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,680
and how these people who'd made
these extraordinary records
919
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,400
were so nice.
920
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,800
# Haven't I been sweet to you?
921
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,160
# Stop! In the name of love
922
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,440
# Before you... #
923
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:13,640
Berry would love to give
gifts to some of his talent.
924
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:22,120
At the end of the tour, he gave me
a handful of money and he said,
925
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,560
"I want you to take the girls..."
926
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,920
Which means The Supremes.
927
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,560
"..out and make them happy.
928
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,680
"Tell them how much I appreciated
all that they've done."
929
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,840
So I marshalled the three girls
together and I said,
930
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,640
"We can go to a great restaurant,
931
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,200
"we can go to the best museum,
932
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,280
"see the finest art in the history
of mankind.
933
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,160
"What would you really like to do?"
934
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,000
And one of them said, "Buy shoes."
935
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,160
And they all sort of jumped
with joy.
936
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:59,000
So we got in a cab, went to a shoe
store,
937
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:04,880
and they just bought and bought and
bought.
938
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,080
And it was one of the nicest
events of my life.
939
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,760
# Think it over
940
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,720
# Think it over... #
941
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:19,320
They were lovely young people
and they were just, you know,
942
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,440
a few years out of a housing project
in Detroit.
943
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,120
They didn't know a lot
about the world,
944
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,960
but they were already professionals.
945
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:35,520
They knew that what they sang
was important to a lot of people,
946
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,600
and they wanted to do it right,
947
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:42,360
and they were willing to do it
every night, night after night.
948
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,200
# Stop! In the name of love
949
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,520
# Before you break my heart
950
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,160
# Stop! #
951
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:06,200
Any time you look at the history
of Motown in Britain,
952
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,400
you have to think about that 1965
tour in so many respects...
953
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,040
..because it was a milestone,
954
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,080
and it was a milestone partly
because of failure,
955
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,840
but partly because there's a
fascinating story to it.
956
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,320
And clearly, Dave Godin's enthusiasm
957
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,960
for seeing those artists
come to Britain was part of it.
958
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,560
It was premature,
because most ordinary music fans
959
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,680
didn't really know what Motown was.
960
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,400
In a sense, it was the right
thing to do.
961
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,360
It was just the wrong time.
962
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,360
# One, two
Lum de-lum, de li-i
963
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,680
# Lum de-lum, de li-i
964
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,440
# Lum de-lum, de li-i
965
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,960
# Lum de-lum, de li-i... #
966
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,400
The Sound Of Motown was recorded
on March 18th, and it went out
967
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,520
on April 28th, two weeks
after they'd left the country.
968
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:07,040
So it was, it was a tragedy
that that was the case.
969
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,160
You know, and part of it is
970
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,960
that it wasn't necessarily
considered particularly commercial
971
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,320
by some of the regional franchise
TV stations around the UK.
972
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,000
That whole show took your breath
away. It really did.
973
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,800
I mean, even now, thinking about it,
974
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,600
it's unbelievable that so much could
be done
975
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,320
in such a short space of TV time.
976
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,920
The sad thing was that it was after
the live show,
977
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,960
so we didn't help
the sales of the live show,
978
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:53,480
but we certainly helped the future
sales of records and performances.
979
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:01,000
# Ooh, I bet you're wonderin'
how I knew... #
980
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,120
Who these artists have become,
you know, those Motown artists
981
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,520
that Dave championed all those
years ago.
982
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,960
How many of them have gone on
to become, really, living legends?
983
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,720
When you hit the stage
and then you are accepted,
984
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:22,840
that is the greatest feeling ever.
985
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,480
# Don't you know I heard it through
the grapevine? #
986
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,280
The 16-year-old me had no idea
what Motown would become.
987
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,880
It has become one of the cultural
forces in music.
988
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,920
Even now, like, little kids know
Motown songs. They came out
989
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,200
with this whole new music
990
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,480
and this whole new style that
appealed to every race.
991
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,200
That was beautiful.
992
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,520
# Very superstitious
993
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,000
# Writing's on the wall
994
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,520
# Very superstitious... #
995
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,560
Motown changed my life because it
gave me a drive,
996
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:26,720
a desire to be part of a world that
created something like Motown.
997
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:29,520
# Broke the looking glass
998
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,440
# Seven years of bad luck... #
999
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,840
And every time I saw Stevie Wonder
on television, I think,
1000
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,400
"I know him, I know him, I met him,"
sort of thing, you know?
1001
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,240
Yeah. Great, great, great moment.
Great moment.
1002
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,440
# 13-month-old baby
1003
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,680
# Broke the looking glass... #
1004
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,480
It was Motown that whetted
our appetite for singing
1005
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,120
and doing music.
1006
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:05,000
Singing, just like with
the artists in Detroit,
1007
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,680
was my meal ticket out of Kirby.
1008
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,880
# You don't want to save me
1009
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,320
# Sad is my song... #
1010
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,120
The fact that Berry Gordy
1011
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,400
was prepared to give little
Stevie Wonder a chance
1012
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,880
then had that knock-on effect for
me.
1013
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,280
So it's definitely changed my life
in that way.
1014
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:48,000
My life has been about my dedication
and passion for this music.
1015
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,720
I would say that that music
saved my life.
1016
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,640
It really did provide
me with what I needed as a teenager.
1017
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,840
# Very superstitious
1018
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,560
# Nothing more to say... #
1019
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:07,160
He was, and I have to say is,
1020
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,840
forever and ever an amazing, awesome
gentleman
1021
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,320
who helped the careers
of so, so many people.
1022
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,400
It's one of America's greatest
cultural gifts
1023
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,960
that's enriched
the life of Britain.
1024
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,840
# That you don't understand
1025
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,400
# Then you suffer
1026
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,000
# Superstition ain't the way
1027
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,000
# No, no, no. #
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