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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,760 It's my pleasure to introduce three girls 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,560 who made a tremendous impact in America and in the charts here too. 4 00:00:06,560 --> 00:00:08,800 Welcome to Martha and the Vandellas. 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,240 # Calling out... # 7 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:22,720 People always reference Motown as being, you know, 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,400 the pinnacle of achievement. 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,920 These young people changed music forever. 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,960 So I was like, I wonder who these American groups are? 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,080 I've never heard them, the kind of funny names. 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,560 The Miracles and Marvelettes. 13 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,800 Dave was fairly well single-handedly responsible 14 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,960 for bringing Motown to the British public. 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,200 He helped in every way that you can possibly imagine 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,080 to further our career. 17 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,120 It was bringing heaven to your hometown. It was extraordinary. 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,000 And I got on stage and there was Stevie Wonder, waiting. 19 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,680 "After show, went backstage and met everybody." 20 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:24,720 "What a day!" 21 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,880 Well, this middle bit was totally empty. 22 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,480 Well, they called it the Ghost Tour. 23 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,520 Motown was more than just great music. 24 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,800 It was a total game-changer 25 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,600 in terms of perception of what black people are. 26 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,360 That was the power of Motown. 27 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,040 That was the power of the music that was coming from Motown. 28 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,240 So much energy, so much presentation. 29 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:02,120 I mean, we're just going, "Oh, my God, this is the future." 30 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,320 A man called Dave Godin lived at Church Road. 31 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:30,280 Dave was a guy who set a base for soul music in the UK. 32 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,920 In the '60s as I was growing up as a teenager, 33 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:37,600 there wasn't much opportunity 34 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,320 to hear rhythm and blues and soul music on the radio, 35 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,400 and Bexleyheath was kind of the catalyst, 36 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,360 if you like, for actually bringing rhythm and blues 37 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,000 to a wider set of ears. 38 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,400 When we talk about Motown coming to Britain, 39 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:53,440 who would imagine 40 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,920 that it was in a terraced house in Bexleyheath 41 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:57,400 that the whole thing started? 42 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,920 Dave Godin was a young lad born in Peckham. 43 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:05,160 His dad was a milkman. 44 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,440 His mother was a cleaner. And when he was six, he realised 45 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,320 he was totally different to everybody else, 46 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,000 but he didn't know why. 47 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,280 He saw things a different way to other people and... 48 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,360 And that's how he lived the rest of his life. 49 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,680 He was a pacifist, an anarchist, 50 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,240 human rights, animal rights activist. 51 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,400 He joined any club he could get his hands on. 52 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:32,880 # Mama 53 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,400 # He treats your daughter mean... # 54 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,600 Dave Godin, he's going to the Silver Lounge ice cream parlour 55 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,120 in Bexleyheath every Friday night for a knickerbocker glory. 56 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,760 It was like a school treat. 57 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,080 He got a brand new jukebox set up in the corner, 58 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,120 spanking, brand-new, shiny American jukebox. 59 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,200 And this great music was belting out of it. 60 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,960 And it hit him straight, the only thought, "What's this?" 61 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,760 # Oh, Mama 62 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,560 # He treats your daughter mean... # 63 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,160 And the chap who'd put it on, he said, "Do you like that record?" 64 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,440 I said, "God, it's marvellous." 65 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,240 And he said, "Oh, that's American rhythm and blues." 66 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,600 # ..meanest man I've ever seen... # 67 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,120 I couldn't believe it. 68 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,480 The lyrics, it was... 69 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,880 It was a female singing like a woman. 70 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,600 "He treats your daughter mean." 71 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,320 "He's the meanest man I've ever seen." 72 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,640 It was a road to Damascus moment. 73 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,480 # I believe it's breaking 74 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,840 # Mama, I've stood about all that 75 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:41,280 # I keep saying what's the matter with this man... 76 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:43,240 It's about soul, the voice. 77 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,000 There's something there that draws you in 78 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,920 that is authentic and real. 79 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,000 It's not just a singer singing a song for entertainment's sake. 80 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,040 It's something else going on there. 81 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,360 And I think that's what attracted Dave. 82 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,960 And that music really set him on a path 83 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,400 that we know led ultimately to Motown. 84 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,840 # ..I've ever seen. # 85 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,440 To understand what happened with Motown, 86 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,640 you kind of have to know a little bit 87 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,760 about how it came about. 88 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:16,640 # Oh, yeah 89 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,120 # Come on 90 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,760 # Little girl 91 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:20,880 # Yeah, yeah... # 92 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,400 Berry Gordy, the founder of Motown, 93 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,720 was a songwriter. 94 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,280 It wasn't a business like the existing record company. 95 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:31,040 # I'm so lonely... # 96 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,640 You had this building on West Grand Boulevard 97 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,240 and it was in a racist country. 98 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,760 You had a black man 99 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,120 start a record company 100 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:48,360 that the motto was not the sound of black America, 101 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,600 it was the sound of young America. 102 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,920 # You know I miss you baby 103 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,880 # Well, I just come when... # 104 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,160 Berry's early work experience was, 105 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:04,200 he worked on the assembly line in Detroit for Ford. 106 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,960 And he'd basically seen the way the cars are put together. 107 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,200 # Come to me... # 108 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:15,280 He thought, "If I could watch a piece of metal come on one side" 109 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:17,760 "and go through all these steps 110 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,400 "and come out a car, 111 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,880 "why can't I take an artist 112 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,840 "and mould them into becoming a star?" 113 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:29,760 # Hey, hey 114 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,000 # You know I miss you, baby... # 115 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,480 It was a lot of fun for us 116 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,120 because we'd never really been in a recording studio before. 117 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,720 So when Motown, Hitsville came about, 118 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,720 you know, it was like, whoa! 119 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,200 You know now we've really, really made it here. 120 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,280 # ..the lights are burnin' low... # 121 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:52,600 You get the writers, then you need the performers, 122 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,520 but then you need the producers to kind of polish it. 123 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,440 And then you need marketing people. 124 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:04,080 You know, and so he did it in a kind of assembly line-type way. 125 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,880 So that was the creative vision behind Motown. 126 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:08,960 # ..no more 127 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,080 # Come to me 128 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,360 # Oh, I miss you... # 129 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,280 It's a little house, but everybody came there 130 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,080 wanting to do great things. 131 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,120 So, you can imagine what it was like in there. 132 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,680 I mean, when you listen to some of the Motown records, 133 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,560 you can literally hear the drum kit moving around. 134 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,080 And they left it in! 135 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:26,200 They left all that stuff. 136 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,440 But those things is what made it sound so... 137 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:31,520 ..different. 138 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:32,680 It was that rawness. 139 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,480 # ..you've been gone too long 140 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,080 # Tell me that you're coming... # 141 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,440 There was no question what was going to happen from day one. 142 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,480 Berry Gordy was going to conquer the world. 143 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,840 # Wait a minute, Mr Postman 144 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,120 # Wait... # 145 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,920 At that point in the '60s, 146 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,040 we'd just shaken off the aftermath of the war 147 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,600 and young people actually stopped looking backwards. 148 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,040 They started looking forward. 149 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,720 # Mr Po-o-ostman... # 150 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,280 I think most people in Britain really had no idea 151 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:06,560 of what Motown was then. 152 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,480 # There must be some word today... # 153 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:15,360 The number of people who were into early Motown was tiny. 154 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,640 It really was like a fairly obscure cult. 155 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,360 # Is there a letter, a letter for... # 156 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,640 There was a magic. There was an intensity. 157 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,800 # ..standing here waiting... # You know, it got its hooks into you. 158 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,640 It just really was extraordinary. 159 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,680 I mean, it was unlike any other pop music 160 00:08:32,680 --> 00:08:34,840 that you would hear on the radio in Britain. 161 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,360 # ..saying he's returning home to me 162 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:39,400 # Please Mr Postman... # 163 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,840 You know, the first time Dave Godin ever heard the Marvelettes, 164 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,960 Please, Mr Postman, he went mental. 165 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,720 He once played it ten times non-stop in a row 166 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,400 because he liked it that much. 167 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,600 # Whoa, yeah... # 168 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,840 It presses buttons inside your head 169 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,040 which you can respond to. 170 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,120 You may not be able to put it into words... 171 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,320 ..um... 172 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,400 ..but you feel it. 173 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,040 It communicates in an invisible way, 174 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,600 and it doesn't just communicate through the head, 175 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,640 it communicates through the guts as well. 176 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:16,440 Nobody really knew other than the, you know, 177 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,680 the devotees, the weirdos, the nerds, 178 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:20,320 the ones who needed to know 179 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,120 about this music and loved it. 180 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,040 People didn't necessarily know what the Motor City of Detroit was. 181 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,520 # So many days, you've passed me by... # 182 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,360 You felt like you were part of a kind of niche. 183 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,280 You had your own music and your own way of doing things. 184 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:39,320 # By leaving me... # 185 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,680 If you lived outside of, certainly the big cities, 186 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:45,960 you were unlikely to have come across Motown. 187 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,240 If you lived in Liverpool, 188 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,400 you probably did because records came in in the ports, you know. 189 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,000 Then you really didn't hear anything 190 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,400 except the mainstream pop 191 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,840 that was being played on the radio at the time. 192 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,600 # In a matter of moments 193 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,240 # In a matter of moments, in a matter of moments... # 194 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,360 You have to put pop music in the early '60s in the context 195 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,240 of where and how will people go to hear it. 196 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,920 There were limitations. 197 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,560 There was... it was difficult. 198 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:19,200 You know, you really... 199 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,840 The BBC wasn't the place to hear pop music very much 200 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,480 and what they played tended to be a lot of British music. 201 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,560 There'll be a Cliff Richard or the Shadows or Marty Wilde 202 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:32,280 or any of the big pop stars of the day. 203 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,200 # In a matter... # 204 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,600 I don't think music was exciting before Motown for me. 205 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,560 I really didn't like Frank Ifield and Cliff Richard. 206 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:43,600 Sorry. 207 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:50,000 # Then the world is yours. # 208 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,680 Drab. 209 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:55,080 It really was drab. 210 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:12,000 So what happened was, originally, the BBC had kind of ignored pop music 211 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,000 and along came offshore radio and they were playing, you know, 212 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,120 pop 24 hours a day, basically. 213 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,520 # Like a baby boy... # 214 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,240 Radio Luxembourg was a medium wave station 215 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,200 broadcasting from Luxembourg. 216 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,320 And so the reception was very, very patchy. 217 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,560 # ..to give you all I know... # 218 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:32,480 And Radio Caroline was our pirate radio station, 219 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,320 anchored off in the North Sea. 220 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,720 # And I'm tellin' the world... # 221 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,000 Somehow, I was listening to the radio 222 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,160 and in amongst all this strange stuff, 223 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,360 you heard Pride and Joy by Marvin Gaye. 224 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,600 Or Mickey's Monkey by the Miracles. 225 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,520 And it was just fantastic. 226 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,320 Those days, nearly every artist had a fan club, 227 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,280 but they'd be amateur fan clubs. 228 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,160 It wouldn't be anything to do with the record label in particular. 229 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,560 Dave Godin wrote to Berry Gordy and said, 230 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:09,320 "Can I start a fan club?" 231 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:13,880 # Come on... # 232 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,600 A shock surprise letter came back. 233 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,360 "Yes, you can." 234 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:18,480 Wow. 235 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,680 It became the Tamla-Motown Appreciation Society. 236 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:23,760 # ..one more chance # 237 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:24,840 # Shooby dooby... # 238 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,840 Berry Gordy had a whole family of little soul labels - 239 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,480 Tamla, Motown, 240 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,080 Gordy, Soul, 241 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,560 VIP. 242 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:38,000 Dave was the first person to use the expression Tamla Motown. 243 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,240 # ..Cos you don't know 244 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:40,320 # What to do... # 245 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,000 Everything was done in this, like, 12x12 bedroom 246 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,560 in a house in Bexleyheath. 247 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:46,080 # ..all of my pain... # 248 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,800 Dave typed every single issue himself, did the layouts. 249 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,080 The lettering was done with a product called Letraset. 250 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,680 # You said move, mister man, cos you don't know 251 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:56,760 # What to do... # 252 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,320 Cut and paste, little diagrams here and there. 253 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,720 The days where you had to cover your mistakes with a bit of Tipp-Ex. 254 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,560 # Hey, well now I love you baby... # 255 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:05,960 It's the life of the artisan. 256 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,960 You own the means of production, 257 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,480 and Dave was hot for that. 258 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,760 # You better take another look There's something in your eye... # 259 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,600 See, I do actually see art as having a didactic purpose. 260 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,680 I do feel that art, in a sense, should be a vehicle 261 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:23,000 for conveying ideas. 262 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,000 # You said move... # 263 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,000 And you look at these magazines now that he produced, they're iconic. 264 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,720 # What to do... # 265 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,280 He didn't get paid. He just did it for the love of it. 266 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,000 # Pay no attention to the other... # 267 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,440 Five shillings, I think it was. 268 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,360 So, I sent off my postal order... 269 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,480 ..to Church Road, Bexleyheath, Kent. 270 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:49,440 And a few days later, got a little sort of handmade card. 271 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,400 # You better take another look There's something... # 272 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,680 You've got a badge which said "Swinger and friend", 273 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:58,200 with two fists on it. 274 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,120 # Thinkin' that everything was really all right... # 275 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,880 Little newsletter coming through the letterbox 276 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,960 was your way to find out about this whole other world. 277 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,400 # ..cos you don't know... # 278 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,560 It was spreading the word, spreading the gospel about the music. 279 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:15,160 Yes, it was sort of quite obsessive. 280 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,120 # ..come on... # 281 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:21,200 Dave was fairly well single-handedly responsible 282 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,520 for bringing Motown to the British public. 283 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,960 Little Stevie Wonder was the first Motown artist to appear in the UK. 284 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,480 He performed on Ready, Steady, Go in December, 1963. 285 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,120 # Playin' my harmonica in a mellow way... # 286 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,120 Ready, Steady, Go was THE pop show. 287 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,120 It was, you know, the most important one. 288 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,800 And we always used to watch it because, you know, 289 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,120 any pop fan would. 290 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,480 # I call it pretty music But the old... # 291 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,600 He was 13 years old and Dusty Springfield and myself 292 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:05,200 had gone to the Olympia in Paris basically to see the Shirelles, 293 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,920 but we didn't know that the package included Dionne Warwick, 294 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,280 who was absolutely fabulous, and little Stevie Wonder. 295 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,440 And we went back afterwards and talked to Stevie's people 296 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,720 and said, "What are you doing after the Olympia?" 297 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,080 And they said, "Going home." 298 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,240 And we said, "No, no, no, you're coming to London first 299 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,400 "to be on Ready, Steady." 300 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,400 And they said yes. So, that was the first Motown artist 301 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:32,720 on Ready, Steady, Go. 302 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,280 # I couldn't figure out what they was sayin' 303 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,680 # They couldn't understand what I was playin'... # 304 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:44,560 So much energy, so much presentation, included the audience. 305 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,840 They loved him, and so did we. 306 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:53,120 I mean, we're just going, "Oh, my God, this is the future." 307 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,320 It is my pleasure to introduce three girls 308 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,760 who made a tremendous impact in America and in the charts here too. 309 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,400 It's welcome to Martha and the Vandellas. 310 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,640 The Ready, Steady, Go was absolutely essential. 311 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,840 If you were in the pop music business in the early 1960s, 312 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,040 you needed to be on that TV show in Britain. 313 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,000 It was... The Beatles did it, The Stones did it. 314 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,080 All of the big stars. 315 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,560 So, as you say, you had a record ready, but no name. 316 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:17,880 It's an unusual step... 317 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,640 We were fortunate enough to get a recording before a record. 318 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,840 There was a sense of pride, if you like, 319 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,880 because as a black person, 320 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:30,800 there weren't many people of your kind of background and colour 321 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,760 to even look at. 322 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,720 You know, so when you saw people 323 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,600 and they were really good, 324 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,240 that was a real bonus. 325 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,680 So we sat down together, the three of us, 326 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,240 including Berry Gordy, our boss, 327 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,200 and we put the words together and made Vandellas. 328 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,640 # Whenever I'm with him 329 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,960 # Something inside 330 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,320 # Starts to burning 331 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,320 # And I'm filled with desire. # 332 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,720 Friday night ritual was watching Ready, Steady, Go. 333 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,480 Not just because of the British artists that were on there, 334 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,360 but of course, of the American artists, 335 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:10,480 because we got to see people that even in America 336 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,280 didn't necessarily get to be on, like, a major Friday night TV show. 337 00:17:16,360 --> 00:17:18,160 It was amazing. 338 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,240 # ...blood pressure got a hold on me 339 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,000 # Or is this way love's supposed to be? 340 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,160 # It's like a heatwave 341 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,560 # Burning in my heart 342 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:27,960 # Like a heatwave... 343 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,360 We would have meetings and we would listen to the records 344 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:31,920 and people would say, "I love that." 345 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,880 Sometimes I'd have to argue and say, 346 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,160 "I'm going to book it whether you like it or not." 347 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,000 But not very often. 348 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,280 Usually, everybody was agreed on what we could and should do. 349 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:50,120 # Nothing you could say could tear me away from my guy... # 350 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,440 Motown really didn't mean anything in Britain 351 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,760 until, you could argue, 1964. 352 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,000 I mean, the first hit that Motown had in Britain 353 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,320 was Mary Wells, My Guy. 354 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,280 Top five in the British charts. 355 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,880 # Like birds of a feather, we stick together... # 356 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,640 And Motown was fortunate in following it up fairly swiftly 357 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,680 after My Guy with the Supremes. 358 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,040 # Baby love, my baby love 359 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,360 # I need you, oh, how I need you 360 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,920 # When all you do is treat me bad 361 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,440 # Break my heart and leave me sad 362 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,160 # Tell me, what did I do wrong... # 363 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,400 When you have hits, people want to know more about you 364 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,480 and then, so what is Motown and who is Berry Gordy 365 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:36,960 and where do they come from? 366 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,120 # Been missing ya, miss kissing ya... # 367 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:44,960 The Supremes definitely paved the way for every girl band 368 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,600 that's ever existed ever since. 369 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,520 # Let's do some kissing and making up... # 370 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,320 You couldn't have had Destiny's Child 371 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,120 if you never had the Supremes, right? 372 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:56,000 # In my arms, why don't you stay? 373 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,040 # Need ya, need ya... 374 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,440 Baby Love, or, you know, 375 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,240 anything that the Supremes did, 376 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,800 you just wanted to be them. 377 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,680 They looked great. 378 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,680 # Baby love, my baby love 379 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,760 # Why must we separate, my love 380 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,880 # All of my whole life through... # 381 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,080 I remember clearly seeing the Supremes on Top Of The Pops. 382 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,840 # Why you do me like you do? 383 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,080 You know, to see black people on the television 384 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:36,040 doing their music and singing so... so beautiful songs 385 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,920 and songs that reminisce with you as a black person, 386 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,320 oh, God, yeah, it was - it was amazing. 387 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,040 You go to work in the morning and your shoulder would be high up, 388 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,840 sort of, you know, seeing those black folks. 389 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,640 # ..my baby love 390 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,040 # I need you, oh, how I need you 391 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,320 # Why you do me like you do 392 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,760 # After I've been true to you 393 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,200 # So deep in love... # 394 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,840 Bands of the '60s, there's so few black musicians. 395 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,800 I remember Georgie Fame and the Blue Flames 396 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,920 had a black percussion player, and that stood out to me. 397 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,880 People would say, "Is that your uncle?", 398 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,040 because they didn't see any other black people either. 399 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,920 You know? So that's how rare it was. 400 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,200 # Don't throw our love away... # 401 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,720 The truth is that at that time, black people basically didn't count. 402 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,280 I lived in a place called Whitehaven. 403 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,960 Very appropriately named back then. 404 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:41,040 And we were basically the only black family in the town. 405 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:46,240 The minority was such a minority that it wasn't a consideration. 406 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,640 We were invisible. 407 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,000 I think one of the things that was a theme and a strand 408 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,560 that ran through Dave Godin's life was being radical. 409 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,400 He was obviously very aware of race as an issue. 410 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,640 Then he realised that he couldn't just champion black American music. 411 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,520 He also had to fight racism along the line as well. 412 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,800 They were hand in hand. 413 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,280 We've got a big war on here. We've got to fight you both. 414 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,400 We've got to champion the music 415 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,760 and get rid of the racism that goes with it, 416 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,480 and he would not stand for any racism whatsoever 417 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,040 in his entire life. 418 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,120 What I loved about black American music was, 419 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:31,960 I mean, politically, I'd been aware 420 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,920 of the struggle of black American people. 421 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,280 The injustice that black American people had suffered. 422 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:49,120 You know, Dave Godin felt a sense of a need for black music 423 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,880 to get that recognition. 424 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,840 That was part of what drove him. 425 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:01,120 Berry Gordy was very clear that when the Supremes 426 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:02,960 had their first hits in Britain, 427 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,720 his whole attitude completely changed. 428 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,040 So it just changed his whole perception 429 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,720 of what could be possible. 430 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,800 And I think that that really was the catalyst, in a sense, 431 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,080 for him wanting to bring Dave over to America. 432 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,880 I think Berry Gordy was impressed 433 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,280 by the way Dave handled himself in Britain, 434 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,240 the way he'd published a magazine. 435 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,720 They were intrigued by this fact 436 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,520 that there was this guy on the other side of the Atlantic 437 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,000 who seemed to know quite a lot 438 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,960 about the music and who they were. 439 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,680 They sent him a telegram, inviting him to visit the US. 440 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,280 I mean, can you imagine what he must have felt like? 441 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,840 And they showed him all around the buildings, 442 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,360 then Marvin Gaye turned up, and he sat talking to Marvin Gaye, 443 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:55,080 and he's meeting everybody in there. 444 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,520 Martha Reeves, all this sort of stuff. 445 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,840 And he became massive friends with them all. 446 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:07,360 Dave was probably the greatest example 447 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:12,000 of love and pushing forth our career, for sure, 448 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,200 because he took such an interest 449 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,960 in who we were and what we were doing. 450 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,400 We corresponded often. 451 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,280 We had a very close relationship where I felt like I could share, 452 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,040 you know, intimate details 453 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,400 that you wouldn't do with just anybody. 454 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,440 I think Berry Gordy brought him over 455 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,720 because Berry Gordy was a smart businessman, 456 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,120 and he saw an amazing opportunity 457 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:48,160 for this whole stable of artists that he was building. 458 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,360 And the idea of having someone in Britain 459 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:54,080 who would be an advocate for that obviously appealed to him. 460 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,200 Berry Gordy came to rely on him, came to trust his opinions. 461 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,880 He had Berry Gordy's ear. 462 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,000 The fact is, they put Dave on the payroll 463 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,320 and he got paid to do the Tamla Motown Appreciation Society, 464 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,680 and he got paid to do the magazine Hitsville USA. 465 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,040 So that was obviously a business move. 466 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,040 Dave actually said, "You've got too many labels." 467 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,360 "You need an identity for what you're selling in Britain." 468 00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:33,200 And he literally wrote all Berry Gordy's label names down 469 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,680 on slips of paper, chopped them up, moved them around on a table 470 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,760 until two words came together that said Tamla Motown. 471 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,960 And Gordy loved it. He says, "Yeah, that's great." 472 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,960 And a lot of people don't realise that actually, 473 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,280 that was a British thing. 474 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,720 There is no Tamla Motown in America. 475 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:58,880 So it is quite safe to say 476 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,560 that if Dave Godin had never existed, 477 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,560 we would not have the label Tamla Motown. 478 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:11,800 This came in an envelope one morning and I thought, "What's this? 479 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,480 "Why am I getting a record?" 480 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,520 It was a treasure to behold. 481 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,960 This is the Hitsville USA 482 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,840 greeting Tamla Motown Appreciation Society members, 483 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,040 the record that was sent to TMAS members by Dave Godin 484 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,840 on behalf of the Motown Recording Corporation. 485 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,720 Greetings to all of you, swingers and friends. 486 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,360 This is Berry Gordy Junior. 487 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:43,560 It was a real pleasure meeting Dave and getting first-hand information 488 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,400 about the music scene over there. 489 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,760 A cherished memory. 490 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,280 It was like hearing from old friends 491 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,240 that they'd taken the time and the trouble 492 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,440 to go into the studio and record the dedication to us. 493 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,520 And, yeah, I was there. 494 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,360 I'm pleased to say I was there. 495 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:00,080 Hi there, swingers and friends. 496 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,600 This is Billy Smokey Robinson of the Miracles, 497 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,240 extending our greetings to all the Tamla Motown fans in England. 498 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,040 We're looking forward to coming over and seeing you very soon. 499 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,000 # Nowhere to run to, baby 500 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000 # Nowhere to hide... # 501 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,880 There was a big to-do, you could say, 502 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,560 about the fact that there was going to be this review coming to Britain, 503 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,760 with all these artists from Detroit. 504 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,240 It was in the NME. 505 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,080 When I saw it advertised, I was on the bus downtown... 506 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,360 ..to get my tickets. 507 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:45,880 I could never have imagined seeing them in real life. 508 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,120 For me, as a fan, 509 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:51,400 learning that those artists were coming to the UK, 510 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,640 I was going to be able to see them in concert, 511 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,280 you know, it was bringing heaven to your hometown. 512 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,520 It was extraordinary. 513 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,960 The artists, in the second week of March, began to fly into London. 514 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,640 Martha and the Vandellas, and Stevie and the Miracles, and the Supremes, 515 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,120 Earl Van Dyke and the band, 516 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,760 and The Temptations, who came in only for promotion. 517 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,520 They didn't join the tour. 518 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,000 We were in awe, a state of awe, because it was a shock to us 519 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,400 to see that we were being received so wonderfully well 520 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,480 by the English people. 521 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,360 That was the power of Motown. 522 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:28,800 That was the power of the music that was coming from Motown. 523 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,400 I was a newspaperman at the Detroit Free Press, 524 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,840 and one day one of the Motown guys said, 525 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,560 "Hey, we're all going to London. 526 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,160 "Why don't you come along and write stories about it?" 527 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,320 I thought this was really exciting. 528 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,800 And so I ended up going with them. 529 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,120 Even as a 30-year-old journalist, I'd spent time 530 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,080 with consequential people. 531 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,080 What made this group so unique was its accessibility. 532 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,920 You could sit and have a conversation with anybody, 533 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,680 and they were young and open, and in so many ways innocent, 534 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,640 and would answer almost any questions you'd ask. 535 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,360 We were beyond excitement, because, you know, 536 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:25,000 you're talking about actually another world, 537 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,160 something outside of the United States, you know, another country. 538 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,120 They'd come off that plane, and all of a sudden 539 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,800 there was all these kids with these little bunches of flowers 540 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,800 and chocolates and banners saying, "We welcome you." 541 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,680 You wouldn't get that these days, would you? 542 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,560 Nobody would do that. 543 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,120 It must have been a very magical moment for Dave Godin. 544 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,760 You are watching The Sounds of Motown. 545 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,400 Introduced by Dusty Springfield. 546 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,800 The Ready Steady Go special was done basically by Dusty Springfield. 547 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,280 She loved the music. 548 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,520 Elkan Allan was my boss. I sat down and said, 549 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,840 "You won't believe this, but they're absolutely great. 550 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,520 "The music is incredible." 551 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,720 And he said, "Let me stop you. Will Dusty present it?" 552 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:25,960 I said, "Oh, yes." 553 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,640 I thought, "She'd better", because we hadn't even discussed it. 554 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:29,920 I said, "Yes, she will." 555 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,480 So he said, "OK, let's do it." 556 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,480 And so we did the first Motown special. 557 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,560 And this next artist, he really lives up to his name. 558 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,160 He was born blind, but he has a fantastic musical talent. 559 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,320 He plays organ and piano and harmonica and drums. 560 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,120 You name it, and he plays it. And he's still only 15. 561 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,440 Here with his great new record, Kiss Me, Baby, it's Stevie Wonder! 562 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,880 I mean, everybody was having a good time. 563 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,760 # All you gotta do is hold him And kiss him 564 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,320 # And love him And show him that you care... # 565 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,240 Dusty was a wonderful spirit. 566 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,440 She was a great door opener for Motown, for Motown's acts, 567 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,760 for Motown's music, the acceptance of Motown. 568 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,320 So she was that kind of a power hitter and power player, 569 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,920 that she really showed and appreciated the love of Motown. 570 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,040 And with her being who she was, people would listen. 571 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,880 # Thinkin' and a-prayin' Wishin' and a-hopin' 572 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,560 # Just wishin' and hopin' And thinkin' and prayin'... # 573 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,120 She was in her element. 574 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,480 It also was lovely because back then, 575 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:02,000 Dusty was very new to everything and she really enjoyed things. 576 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,960 # So if you're thinkin' how great true... # 577 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,800 Like, just having fun. 578 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,320 And you can hear when she sings the duet with Martha 579 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,960 on Wishin' And Hopin', 580 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,200 you could actually hear Dusty laugh in the middle. 581 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,680 # Just do it... # 582 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,520 I mean, what a joy to hear that. 583 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,280 #..he likes to do 584 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,800 # You gotta wear your hair just for him...# 585 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,040 Because Dusty and Martha were friends, 586 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,040 I think they just arranged it themselves 587 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,200 and nobody else got a look-in. 588 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,880 # You will be his. # 589 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,240 Just everybody was excited. 590 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:51,040 We knew that we were doing something that was a... 591 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,440 It was kind of a miracle 592 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,280 because who on earth would let us 593 00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:00,000 have this many American black artists on one show? 594 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,960 # Like the tale by the time it's been told by more than one 595 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,520 # Woo, it's growing... # 596 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,800 We invited the Motown Appreciation. 597 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,520 Dave Godin was so important 598 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,960 and so much part of the birth of Motown, 599 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,440 and little David Nathan, who was probably 15 or 16 600 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,960 at that stage. 601 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,520 # Oh, how it grows and grows... # 602 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,040 It's true to say that I had never seen 603 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,840 that many black American artists all on one show. 604 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,880 I mean, I don't think anyone had at that point, 605 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,520 unless you were going to America. 606 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,880 So it was an exciting experience. 607 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,960 What is it about Motown? What is it about soul music? 608 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,440 It's the pain and the pleasure. It's what's in there. 609 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,320 It's the pleasure and the pain. 610 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,800 I've been openly gay since 1967. 611 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,760 So the struggles, the challenges of being, you know, 612 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,840 being gay in the '60s... 613 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,240 ..I do sometimes think that if I hadn't found this music, 614 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,840 hadn't found me, or I hadn't found it, I don't know how easy 615 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,360 it would have been for me to make it through life. 616 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,040 Honestly, I really mean that. 617 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,440 # And then she said, "Just because you've become a young man now 618 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,240 # "There's still some things that you don't understand now 619 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,520 # "Before you ask some girl for her hand now..." # 620 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,920 The tour opened in two shows in London, Finsbury Park, Astoria 621 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,360 and the Hammersmith Odeon. 622 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,960 And then they went out pretty much every night 623 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,320 for the next three weeks. 624 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:46,880 They did 20 cities and towns across England, Scotland and Wales, 625 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,680 went to Bournemouth, Wigan, Cardiff, Manchester, Leicester. 626 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,560 Every major music city got to see the Motown show that year. 627 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:03,160 Seeing it in my hometown in Bristol, I'd be surprised 628 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,520 if there were 50 people in the audience. 629 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,960 It would have been better to have more people there. 630 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,240 But, however, people can only go 631 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:17,240 if they know you're going to be there. 632 00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:21,960 And getting the word out was not the easiest always. 633 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,160 You know, you can't always expect something to happen 634 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,960 that... If you don't know about it, how can you show up? 635 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,080 So what happened was, on British radio and television, 636 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,760 there were hardly any black people at all. 637 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,000 So you can understand that when you had these records 638 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,640 coming in by, ostensibly, a black music record label, 639 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,640 people didn't really know what to think. 640 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,560 Were they going to give this the same treatment 641 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,400 as they were giving the normal pop stuff? 642 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,720 Or were they going to think, "Well, I'm not too sure about this, 643 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:57,160 "it's going to have to prove itself"? 644 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,160 And I think they took the latter, 645 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,360 which is, "It's going to have to prove itself." 646 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,320 Motown fans were in a real minority 647 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,120 and they saw the world slightly differently. 648 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,520 You know, they just thought, "Oh, this is great music." 649 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,280 # There's still some things that you don't understand now... # 650 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,440 I was a couple of rows from the front, and I looked back 651 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,920 and if I saw 50 people, so what? 652 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:26,040 All I cared about was who was on stage in front singing that music 653 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,400 that meant so much to me. 654 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,280 I mean, it was like at that moment, 655 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,040 I could have died and gone to heaven. 656 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,600 # My mama told me 657 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,320 # You better shop around 658 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,560 # Oh, yeah, you better shop around... # 659 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,880 The price of the tickets on the Motortown Revue live performances 660 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,720 were like a couple of bob more than the Stones were charging. 661 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,280 And I don't know who thought that that was a good idea. 662 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,240 Because the sales were really not good, 663 00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:01,840 they added Georgie Fame to shows out of town. 664 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,680 So, Georgie, you know, helped sell some tickets. 665 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,480 # Every evening when all my day's work is through 666 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,040 # I call my baby and ask her what shall we do 667 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,680 # I mention movies but she don't seem to dig that 668 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,840 # And then she ask me Why don't I come to her flat... # 669 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,360 Early '65, we'd just had our first number one hit. 670 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,200 So we were kind of flavour of the month at that particular time. 671 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,080 # That's what I say I say yeah, yeah... # 672 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,680 We were tickled pink, I think is the phrase, just to think 673 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,280 that we were of the same importance 674 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,800 musically to be part of that, too. 675 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,360 # She never misses She gives it all that she's got... # 676 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,120 We were in two coaches. It was the musicians 677 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,880 who were on one coach, and the artists on another. 678 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,840 Well, touring was awful because there were no motorways 679 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,160 to start with. 680 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,440 So you were travelling on country roads. 681 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,440 Each theatre had a catchment area which was 50 miles around it, 682 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,400 so you couldn't do two consecutive dates within 50 miles 683 00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,880 of one another. 684 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,240 So you had to go north, south, up town, all over the place. 685 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:07,680 #..you and me Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah... # 686 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,640 It was pretty much a really gruelling tour. 687 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:16,280 Some of the places were quite a distance, and having the schedule, 688 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,400 you know, you wanted to make sure that you did your very best 689 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,080 and not only just doing your best, but while you were there, you know, 690 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,040 so you present yourself well to your audience. 691 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,640 You didn't want to appear like you were so tired, 692 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,320 you could barely make it off the bus. 693 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:41,120 The tour bus was like a home, but everybody got along. 694 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:46,040 Everybody knew that this was part of the job. 695 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,760 Now, there were little spats and all those kind of things 696 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,520 that happen in any household, but this was one of those households 697 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,400 that would just... gloss it over. 698 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,160 Everybody would move on. "It didn't happen." 699 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:05,120 There were games, there was singing. 700 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,960 There was, like, a lot of joking, telling stories, you know, 701 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,040 all of the above that you could think of to keep you entertained. 702 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,440 And not only just entertained, but probably many times, awake. 703 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,080 I took my camera everywhere. I was trying to film everything. 704 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,960 It was a hobby. It was something else to do rather than music. 705 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,560 Bolex H8, I think it was called. 706 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,920 Pete Coe, the saxophone player, and myself both bought cameras 707 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,320 around the same time. 708 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,720 We were trying to make little documentaries 709 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:45,160 and all sorts of things, but on that particular tour, 710 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,320 it was just filming what was going on. 711 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,520 There were card games going on, 712 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,560 there were stories being told, and just general banter. 713 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,760 It was great. It was very... 714 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,760 There was really no difference between the American musicians 715 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,480 and the UK musicians. 716 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,120 We were all musicians. 717 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,080 So we all had the same interests and the same... 718 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,120 The same long, boring coach journeys. 719 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,240 I guess at the time, you don't realise that you're shooting 720 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:14,840 a piece of history. 721 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,880 It was a great time to be someone coming from the Caribbean. 722 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,640 You'd come here to watch a black performance, 723 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,720 and that was something that didn't happen regular. 724 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,800 1965, the year that the Motown was here. 725 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,000 # Put on your red dress, baby 726 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,520 # Cos we're going out tonight... # 727 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:09,280 There was Stevie Wonder on the stage, and I jumped on stage. 728 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:15,320 I was very young and agile at that time, but now times have changed 729 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,840 and I can't jump as much as I would like to. 730 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,320 And I got on stage, and there was Stevie Wonder... 731 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,360 ..there waiting. 732 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,520 # Put on your high-heel sneakers 733 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,560 # And wear your wig-hat on your head 734 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,440 # Oh, yeah... # 735 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,880 And I thought, "Here's my opportunity to go up." 736 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,880 I shook his hand and went up. 737 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,560 "Hello, Stevie, can I have your autograph?" 738 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,000 And he had one of those things that blind people have, 739 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,200 and he signed the autograph. 740 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,920 # Some teacher seemed to have gathered around 741 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,520 # Tryin' to figure out what I was puttin' down... # 742 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,840 You could tell, from the performance, that these guys are... 743 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,480 You know, something, something mega is going to happen 744 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,480 to all these singers. 745 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,400 # Ain't that pretty mad? # 746 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,320 I'm a very lucky person, 747 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,920 very lucky person to be born at that time. 748 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,560 I got to be one of those lucky persons, and very fortunate as well 749 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,040 to have shook Stevie Wonder's hand, 750 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,440 have his autograph signed. 751 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,920 # Baby, everything is all right 752 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,200 # Uptight, out of sight... # 753 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,160 Another thing that touched me about this group 754 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,720 was little Stevie Wonder. 755 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,520 I mean, he was really small. He was really little. 756 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,840 He was just such a ball of energy, such a dynamic performer. 757 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,000 Quite, quite extraordinary. Quite an extraordinary talent. 758 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,280 # I guess that's what you might say 759 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,760 # I guess her folks brought her up that way 760 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,280 # The right side of the tracks... # 761 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,920 The Motown Revue, they're actually doing two shows a day. 762 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:24,280 But one thing that Stevie remembers was that when they went to Glasgow, 763 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,440 he actually lost the suit because, after the first show, 764 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,040 somebody came out and said, 765 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,400 "Oh, suits for cleaning, suits for cleaning," 766 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,880 and whoever was looking after Stevie at the time 767 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,880 gave them Stevie's suit to get cleaned. 768 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,800 And, of course, it never came back. 769 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,160 So there's somebody in Glasgow with a little Stevie Wonder suit. 770 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,080 I hope they appreciate it. 771 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,080 # The best things in life are free 772 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,840 # But you can keep them for the birds and bees 773 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,720 # Now give me money That's what I want 774 00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:59,320 # That's what I want That's what I want # 775 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,280 The Beatles have a lot to do with Motown. 776 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,920 And, of course, you know, we shouldn't forget that the Supremes 777 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,640 did an album called A Bit Of Liverpool. 778 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,160 # Your love give me a thrill... # 779 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,000 It was actually through the Beatles 780 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,920 that I became aware of American R&B 781 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,040 and what would later become soul music, and specifically 782 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:24,640 because they used to do cover versions of Motown songs. 783 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,640 Money, You Really Got A Hold On Me, and Please Mister Postman. 784 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,200 And what was great is, they mentioned the names 785 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,920 of the original groups on the sleeve notes 786 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,880 at the back of the LP. 787 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,240 So I was like, "I wonder who these American groups are. 788 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:43,160 "I've never heard of them. They've kind of funny names, 789 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,840 "The Miracles, the Marvelettes." 790 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,720 I'm like... I was kind of intrigued, like, "Yeah, wow!" 791 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:50,680 # That's what I want... # 792 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:51,800 Groups like the Beatles, 793 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,120 they came from the same working-class background that I did. 794 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,360 I think it was like the struggle that people have 795 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,400 for making it in life. 796 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,600 And maybe one of the connecting tissues 797 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:10,240 between Motown and the working-class kids of Britain 798 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:14,400 was the sense of struggle, because the odds were not in our favour. 799 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,680 Liverpool was really quite buzzing 800 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,200 with all the music stuff that was going on. 801 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,520 Groups were big then. 802 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,600 It was the Mersey sound and everything going on. 803 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,560 It was thriving, wasn't it, Frank? Yeah. 804 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,520 It was on the map. 805 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,960 # It's been a hard day's night... # 806 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,360 A lot of my friends, they worked in NEMS, a record store 807 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,160 which is owned by Brian Epstein. 808 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,280 Then they said, "Do you want to come to these parties 809 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,040 "up on Parnham Street?" 810 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,680 Motown was like an underground force. 811 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,800 It was the whole black community, really, you know? 812 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,960 They weren't allowed in the clubs in the city centre - 813 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,960 the white clubs, in other words. 814 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,760 And they started their own. 815 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,280 I didn't feel like I was in Liverpool 816 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,560 because it was all purely American music 817 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,720 and it was so different to where I lived 818 00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:11,880 in a village on the Wirral. 819 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,280 I felt very proud of the fact that we were onto something. 820 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,800 Chance to meet like-minded people. 821 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:26,160 Being a Motown fan helped establish the relationship with Frank. 822 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,240 Frank Collins and Harold Carter. 823 00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,880 They were in a band called The Excels. 824 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,080 It's a lifelong friendship through all of Motown, I would say. 825 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,600 I thought they were as good as any of the Motown acts. 826 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,800 They were incredible, and they never, ever sounded 827 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,440 like a white group at all. 828 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,080 You could have just put them on Motown 829 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,200 and nobody would have known the difference. 830 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,680 It was through Motown and, you know, being huge fans 831 00:45:54,680 --> 00:46:00,120 and being so inspired by Motown, we did form The Excels. 832 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,000 Everyone was following the Beatles sort of sound and whatever, 833 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,800 Gerry and the Pacemakers and all that lot. 834 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,480 But we were just big Motown fanatics. 835 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,120 After you. 836 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,360 Frank, how are you? 837 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,960 Yeah, where have you been all my life? 838 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,120 I was sitting in the back. In the cheap seats. 839 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,120 And you were in the posh seats. I remember... 840 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,480 And all this middle bit was totally empty. 841 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,080 We were down there. 842 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,680 Well, they called it the ghost tour. 843 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:42,880 Apparently. 844 00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,120 I just remember, we were so excited. 845 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,960 It was amazing, wasn't it, to see all those artists in one place? 846 00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:58,600 I think we'd all gone backstage, you know, trying to get autographs. 847 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,480 But I think they'd already gone. 848 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,520 Anyway, we decided to make our way home. 849 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:08,880 We saw Stevie Wonder and his tutor and his musical director 850 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,880 having dinner through the glass door. 851 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,000 Anyway, we decided to burst out into On the pavement outside. 852 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,640 We started singing this song called I Wonder, which was a Crystals song, 853 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,080 but it had the name Wonder in, so that's why we chose it. 854 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,000 And Stevie Wonder comes out with his tutor, saying, 855 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,120 "Sign them up, sign them up." 856 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,120 Anyway, from that, they invited us to the Chester show, 857 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,880 and we ended up auditioning in Stevie Wonder's hotel room. 858 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,560 Wow, what a memory. 859 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,240 Isn't it great we can still remember it, though? 860 00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:40,760 They were big moments in our lives, all that, you know? 861 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,880 Still Yeah. 862 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,960 I'll just never forget those times. What was it? Mama... 863 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,240 We've got to find the right key for her. 864 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,920 # Somebody I could call my own 865 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,720 # So when the stars are shining bright 866 00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:58,080 # I'll dream about the boy who's gonna hold me tight 867 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,480 # And I 868 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,160 # Wonder who he'll be 869 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,800 # Wonder if he'll be good to me 870 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,520 # Wonder, gosh, oh, gee 871 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,680 # Wonder if he'll love me for ever 872 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,160 # I wonder for ever... # 873 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,320 What? 874 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,240 # Stop! In the name of love 875 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:29,800 # Before you break my heart 876 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,040 # Think it over 877 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,440 # Think it over 878 00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:42,640 # I've known of your Your secluded nights 879 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,080 # I've even seen her Maybe once or twice... # 880 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,520 This is my 1965 diary, 881 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:56,000 and the entry for Saturday, 3rd April. 882 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,400 "Tamla Motown Revue, City Hall," it says at the top. 883 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,160 "The Beatles were on Thank Your Lucky Stars, but I missed that. 884 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,240 "Went to town with M around 11.30. 885 00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:09,760 "Had dinner..." That's lunch. 886 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,920 "..in the Pit..." That's the Paletta. 887 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,960 "..then went to City Hall. 888 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,120 "Saw all except Miracles and Stevie. 889 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,480 "After show, went backstage and met everybody. 890 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,720 "What a day." 891 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,400 Absolutely. 892 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,400 It was very exciting. 893 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,560 I had heard a couple of the live albums they did 894 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,760 of the Motortown Revue, and I'd read about it. 895 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,320 And, you know, you talk about the Apollo, Harlem 896 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,760 and places like that. 897 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,520 Newcastle City Hall didn't seem quite the same. 898 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,360 It just seemed amazing to me that it wasn't completely full. 899 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,160 I did go and buy Diana Ross some pantyhose. 900 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,360 They were just getting their beautiful gowns 901 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,800 and everything sorted out. 902 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,320 And Diana Ross had got a snag in her pantyhose. 903 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,360 She said, "Oh, I need some pantyhose." 904 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,280 And I said, "I know where I can get some. 905 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,120 "I know where I can get some." So I dashed out. 906 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,640 Shops shut at 5:30 in those days. 907 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,560 So you couldn't even rush out and buy anything. 908 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,600 In the main street in Newcastle, in Northumberland Street, 909 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,440 there was a machine that sold tights. 910 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,880 And they only had one size and one colour. 911 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,480 So I got... 912 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,960 I got this little box of pantyhose tights and rushed back 913 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,600 and handed them over, and I believe she put them on. 914 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,360 It was the days of tights in machines. 915 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,360 If only they had them now. 916 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:48,920 It was just extraordinary 917 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,600 how personable they were 918 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,680 and how these people who'd made these extraordinary records 919 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,400 were so nice. 920 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,800 # Haven't I been sweet to you? 921 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,160 # Stop! In the name of love 922 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,440 # Before you... # 923 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:13,640 Berry would love to give gifts to some of his talent. 924 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:22,120 At the end of the tour, he gave me a handful of money and he said, 925 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,560 "I want you to take the girls..." 926 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,920 Which means The Supremes. 927 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,560 "..out and make them happy. 928 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,680 "Tell them how much I appreciated all that they've done." 929 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,840 So I marshalled the three girls together and I said, 930 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,640 "We can go to a great restaurant, 931 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,200 "we can go to the best museum, 932 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,280 "see the finest art in the history of mankind. 933 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,160 "What would you really like to do?" 934 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,000 And one of them said, "Buy shoes." 935 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,160 And they all sort of jumped with joy. 936 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:59,000 So we got in a cab, went to a shoe store, 937 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:04,880 and they just bought and bought and bought. 938 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,080 And it was one of the nicest events of my life. 939 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,760 # Think it over 940 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,720 # Think it over... # 941 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:19,320 They were lovely young people and they were just, you know, 942 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,440 a few years out of a housing project in Detroit. 943 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,120 They didn't know a lot about the world, 944 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,960 but they were already professionals. 945 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:35,520 They knew that what they sang was important to a lot of people, 946 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,600 and they wanted to do it right, 947 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:42,360 and they were willing to do it every night, night after night. 948 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,200 # Stop! In the name of love 949 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,520 # Before you break my heart 950 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,160 # Stop! # 951 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:06,200 Any time you look at the history of Motown in Britain, 952 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,400 you have to think about that 1965 tour in so many respects... 953 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,040 ..because it was a milestone, 954 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,080 and it was a milestone partly because of failure, 955 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,840 but partly because there's a fascinating story to it. 956 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,320 And clearly, Dave Godin's enthusiasm 957 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,960 for seeing those artists come to Britain was part of it. 958 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,560 It was premature, because most ordinary music fans 959 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,680 didn't really know what Motown was. 960 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,400 In a sense, it was the right thing to do. 961 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,360 It was just the wrong time. 962 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,360 # One, two Lum de-lum, de li-i 963 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,680 # Lum de-lum, de li-i 964 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,440 # Lum de-lum, de li-i 965 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,960 # Lum de-lum, de li-i... # 966 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,400 The Sound Of Motown was recorded on March 18th, and it went out 967 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,520 on April 28th, two weeks after they'd left the country. 968 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:07,040 So it was, it was a tragedy that that was the case. 969 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,160 You know, and part of it is 970 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,960 that it wasn't necessarily considered particularly commercial 971 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,320 by some of the regional franchise TV stations around the UK. 972 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,000 That whole show took your breath away. It really did. 973 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,800 I mean, even now, thinking about it, 974 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,600 it's unbelievable that so much could be done 975 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,320 in such a short space of TV time. 976 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,920 The sad thing was that it was after the live show, 977 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,960 so we didn't help the sales of the live show, 978 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:53,480 but we certainly helped the future sales of records and performances. 979 00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:01,000 # Ooh, I bet you're wonderin' how I knew... # 980 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,120 Who these artists have become, you know, those Motown artists 981 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,520 that Dave championed all those years ago. 982 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,960 How many of them have gone on to become, really, living legends? 983 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,720 When you hit the stage and then you are accepted, 984 00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:22,840 that is the greatest feeling ever. 985 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,480 # Don't you know I heard it through the grapevine? # 986 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,280 The 16-year-old me had no idea what Motown would become. 987 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,880 It has become one of the cultural forces in music. 988 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,920 Even now, like, little kids know Motown songs. They came out 989 00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,200 with this whole new music 990 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,480 and this whole new style that appealed to every race. 991 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,200 That was beautiful. 992 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,520 # Very superstitious 993 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,000 # Writing's on the wall 994 00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,520 # Very superstitious... # 995 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,560 Motown changed my life because it gave me a drive, 996 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:26,720 a desire to be part of a world that created something like Motown. 997 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:29,520 # Broke the looking glass 998 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,440 # Seven years of bad luck... # 999 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,840 And every time I saw Stevie Wonder on television, I think, 1000 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,400 "I know him, I know him, I met him," sort of thing, you know? 1001 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,240 Yeah. Great, great, great moment. Great moment. 1002 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,440 # 13-month-old baby 1003 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,680 # Broke the looking glass... # 1004 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,480 It was Motown that whetted our appetite for singing 1005 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,120 and doing music. 1006 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:05,000 Singing, just like with the artists in Detroit, 1007 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,680 was my meal ticket out of Kirby. 1008 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,880 # You don't want to save me 1009 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,320 # Sad is my song... # 1010 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,120 The fact that Berry Gordy 1011 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,400 was prepared to give little Stevie Wonder a chance 1012 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,880 then had that knock-on effect for me. 1013 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,280 So it's definitely changed my life in that way. 1014 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:48,000 My life has been about my dedication and passion for this music. 1015 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,720 I would say that that music saved my life. 1016 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,640 It really did provide me with what I needed as a teenager. 1017 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,840 # Very superstitious 1018 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,560 # Nothing more to say... # 1019 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:07,160 He was, and I have to say is, 1020 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,840 forever and ever an amazing, awesome gentleman 1021 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,320 who helped the careers of so, so many people. 1022 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,400 It's one of America's greatest cultural gifts 1023 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,960 that's enriched the life of Britain. 1024 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,840 # That you don't understand 1025 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,400 # Then you suffer 1026 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,000 # Superstition ain't the way 1027 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,000 # No, no, no. # 78359

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