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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,067 Narrator: DID THREE CHILDREN RECEIVE A PROPHECY IN FáTIMA 2 00:00:04,100 --> 00:00:06,100 IN PORTUGAL IN 1917 3 00:00:06,133 --> 00:00:08,533 THAT FORETOLD THE DATE OF THE APOCALYPSE? 4 00:00:08,567 --> 00:00:11,967 DID IT WARN OF A PLAGUE AND THE DESTRUCTION OF THE CHURCH? 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,100 AND HAS THE VATICAN COVERED IT UP 6 00:00:14,133 --> 00:00:15,967 FOR NEARLY A CENTURY? 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,833 Gough: IF THE APPARITIONS WERE TRUE, 8 00:00:18,867 --> 00:00:23,000 THE ONLY POSSIBLE EXPLANATION IS THAT IT WAS APOCALYPTIC 9 00:00:23,033 --> 00:00:24,867 OR DEALT WITH THE END OF THE CHURCH. 10 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:28,200 Victorino: THEY SAW SOMETHING THEY OFFICIALIZED TO BE 11 00:00:28,233 --> 00:00:31,333 A RELIGIOUS SIGHTING, THE HOLY MARY IN THIS CASE. 12 00:00:31,367 --> 00:00:34,933 SO, DEFINITELY, I THINK THAT THEY MAY HAVE SEEN SOMETHING. 13 00:00:34,967 --> 00:00:38,800 Howells: MALACHY'S PROPHECY STATES THAT THIS FINAL POPE, 14 00:00:38,833 --> 00:00:40,833 POPE FRANCIS, IS THE FINAL POPE. 15 00:00:40,867 --> 00:00:43,533 Hesemann: THERE'S NOTHING MORE HORRIBLE THAN THE CONTENT 16 00:00:43,567 --> 00:00:45,233 OF THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA. 17 00:00:45,267 --> 00:00:48,467 THE DESTRUCTION, THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF ROME 18 00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:51,633 AND THE MURDER, AN ATTACK, A MURDEROUS ATTACK, 19 00:00:51,667 --> 00:00:55,500 ON THE ROMAN COURIER AND THE POPE HIMSELF. 20 00:00:55,533 --> 00:00:58,500 Captions by VITAC... www.vitac.com 21 00:00:58,533 --> 00:01:01,633 CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS 22 00:01:14,967 --> 00:01:16,900 Narrator: HERE IN FáTIMA, 23 00:01:16,933 --> 00:01:20,767 ON SIX OCCASIONS BETWEEN MAY AND OCTOBER 1917, 24 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,500 IT IS SAID THAT THE VIRGIN MARY APPEARED TO 25 00:01:23,533 --> 00:01:25,467 THREE YOUNG PORTUGUESE CHILDREN... 26 00:01:25,500 --> 00:01:28,633 LúCIA SANTOS AND HER TWO COUSINS, 27 00:01:28,667 --> 00:01:31,300 FRANCISCO AND JACINTA. 28 00:01:31,333 --> 00:01:33,700 ACCORDING TO THE OFFICIAL CATHOLIC INTERPRETATION 29 00:01:33,733 --> 00:01:35,100 OF THE PROPHECIES, 30 00:01:35,133 --> 00:01:37,600 THEY INVOLVED HELL, TWO WORLD WARS, 31 00:01:37,633 --> 00:01:42,067 AND THE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT ON JOHN PAUL II. 32 00:01:42,100 --> 00:01:46,066 TWO OF THE SECRETS WERE REVEALED IN 1941 33 00:01:46,067 --> 00:01:47,800 IN A DOCUMENT WRITTEN BY LúCIA 34 00:01:47,833 --> 00:01:50,267 AT THE REQUEST OF HER LOCAL BISHOP. 35 00:01:50,300 --> 00:01:53,433 WHEN HE ASKED HER TO REVEAL THE THIRD SECRET, 36 00:01:53,467 --> 00:01:55,167 SHE APPARENTLY HESITATED, 37 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,667 WROTE THE SECRET DOWN, AND SEALED IT IN AN ENVELOPE, 38 00:01:58,700 --> 00:02:02,933 SAYING THAT IT WAS NOT TO BE OPENED UNTIL 1960. 39 00:02:02,967 --> 00:02:04,833 THAT DATE CAME AND WENT 40 00:02:04,867 --> 00:02:08,733 WITH THE VATICAN REFUSING TO REVEAL ITS CONTENTS. 41 00:02:08,767 --> 00:02:10,700 JOURNALIST JAMIE THEAKSTON 42 00:02:10,733 --> 00:02:13,066 WANTS TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE MYSTERY 43 00:02:13,067 --> 00:02:16,500 AND FIND OUT THE ANSWERS TO TWO FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS... 44 00:02:16,533 --> 00:02:19,267 HAS THE VATICAN SOMEHOW COVERED UP THE TRUTH, 45 00:02:19,300 --> 00:02:22,867 AND, IF SO, WHY? 46 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:27,533 Fanthorpe: THE FIRST TWO SECRETS WERE 47 00:02:27,567 --> 00:02:29,433 PRETTY CLEAR AND STRAIGHTFORWARD, 48 00:02:29,467 --> 00:02:33,066 DEALING WITH THE FIRST AND SECOND WORLD WARS. 49 00:02:33,067 --> 00:02:37,133 NOW, THE THIRD SECRET, AS WE REMEMBER IT, 50 00:02:37,167 --> 00:02:41,633 WAS SENT TO THE VATICAN, ALLEGEDLY, 51 00:02:41,667 --> 00:02:44,600 ON A SINGLE SHEET OF PAPER 52 00:02:44,633 --> 00:02:50,400 WHICH THE LITTLE GIRL, WOMAN THAT SHE WAS THEN, WROTE OUT. 53 00:02:50,433 --> 00:02:57,333 SHE HAD BEEN VERY RELUCTANT TO WRITE THAT THIRD SECRET. 54 00:02:57,367 --> 00:03:00,833 I STRONGLY SUSPECT 55 00:03:00,867 --> 00:03:05,333 THAT SOMETHING VERY STRANGE HAPPENED TO IT. 56 00:03:05,367 --> 00:03:11,800 AND THE BASIS OF MY SUSPICION IS THE DESCRIPTIONS THAT WERE GIVEN 57 00:03:11,833 --> 00:03:14,867 BY VARIOUS HIGH-RANKING OFFICIALS 58 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:19,533 ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE ENVELOPE. 59 00:03:19,567 --> 00:03:24,300 ALLEGEDLY, SHE HAD WRITTEN NO MORE THAN 25 OR 30 LINES 60 00:03:24,333 --> 00:03:26,600 ON A SINGLE SHEET OF PAPER. 61 00:03:26,633 --> 00:03:28,233 THERE WAS EVIDENCE 62 00:03:28,267 --> 00:03:31,467 OF FOUR SHEETS OF PAPER BEING FOUND. 63 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:33,933 NOW, THAT'S THE FIRST BIG QUESTION MARK 64 00:03:33,967 --> 00:03:35,567 THAT LEAPS INTO YOUR MIND. 65 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,300 Prince: THE VATICAN, OVER THE YEARS, 66 00:03:42,333 --> 00:03:43,867 OVER THE CENTURIES, 67 00:03:43,900 --> 00:03:47,967 HAS PROVED ITSELF SO, BASICALLY, UNTRUSTWORTHY 68 00:03:48,067 --> 00:03:53,200 BY MANIPULATING AND CENSORING AND EDITING INFORMATION 69 00:03:53,233 --> 00:03:58,667 AND TRYING TO STEER ALL THE INFORMATION 70 00:03:58,700 --> 00:04:01,133 IN THE DIRECTION IT WANTS. 71 00:04:01,167 --> 00:04:04,133 IT BASICALLY CAN'T BE TRUSTED. 72 00:04:04,167 --> 00:04:06,100 SO, WHATEVER IT SAYS, 73 00:04:06,133 --> 00:04:10,066 YOU CAN NEVER BE SURE THAT THEY'RE TELLING THE TRUTH. 74 00:04:10,067 --> 00:04:11,867 I MEAN, IN THE VATICAN'S DEFENSE, 75 00:04:11,900 --> 00:04:13,733 THERE'S NOT MUCH MORE THEY CAN DO 76 00:04:13,767 --> 00:04:17,066 TO PERSUADE YOU THAT THEY'RE TELLING THE TRUTH. 77 00:04:17,067 --> 00:04:19,867 YOU KNOW, RELEASED EVERYTHING THEY HAVE. 78 00:04:19,900 --> 00:04:24,066 BUT THE CHURCH, THE VATICAN, HAS BEEN CALLED OUT SO MANY TIMES 79 00:04:24,067 --> 00:04:29,400 EITHER LYING OR BEING, YOU KNOW, ECONOMICAL WITH THE TRUTH, 80 00:04:29,433 --> 00:04:33,667 THAT, TODAY, THEY'RE IN A POSITION WHERE, YOU KNOW, 81 00:04:33,700 --> 00:04:36,133 WHATEVER THEY SAY, YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE OR NOT. 82 00:04:36,167 --> 00:04:39,767 Narrator: FATHER CARLOS CABENCINHAS 83 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,167 IS IN CHARGE OF THE BASILICA IN FáTIMA TODAY. 84 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,267 HE WELCOMES MILLIONS OF PILGRIMS AND TOURISTS EVERY YEAR 85 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:50,867 AND REFUTES ANY IDEA OF A COVER-UP. 86 00:04:50,900 --> 00:04:53,267 Theakston: I'VE SPOKEN TO A FEW PEOPLE WHO TELL ME 87 00:04:53,300 --> 00:04:55,433 THAT WHEN SISTER LúCIA FIRST WROTE IT DOWN, 88 00:04:55,467 --> 00:04:58,066 IT WAS WRITTEN DOWN ON ONE PIECE OF PAPER. 89 00:04:58,067 --> 00:05:00,167 AND WHEN THE VATICAN REVEALED, 90 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,567 IT WAS ON MANY DIFFERENT PIECES OF PAPER. 91 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,100 HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT? 92 00:05:06,133 --> 00:05:11,400 I THINK WE HAVE TO HEAR WHAT SISTER LúCIA HAS SAID. 93 00:05:11,433 --> 00:05:17,267 WHEN CARDINAL BERTONE ASK SISTER LúCIA 94 00:05:17,300 --> 00:05:20,800 IF ALL SHE WAS WRITING WAS REVEALED, 95 00:05:20,833 --> 00:05:24,833 SHE SAID, "YES. ALL IS REVEALED." 96 00:05:24,867 --> 00:05:29,100 THAT MEANS THERE ARE MANY, MANY SPECULATIONS ABOUT 97 00:05:29,133 --> 00:05:30,667 THESE REVELATIONS, 98 00:05:30,700 --> 00:05:35,700 THIS PUBLICATION OF THE THIRD PART OF THE SECRET. 99 00:05:35,733 --> 00:05:38,867 BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM. 100 00:05:41,700 --> 00:05:44,066 WHY DO YOU THINK THE VATICAN THOUGHT IT IMPORTANT 101 00:05:44,067 --> 00:05:45,567 TO SUPPRESS THE THIRD SECRET? 102 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,167 WHY NOT MAKE IT PUBLIC AT THE TIME? 103 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:54,367 I FIND THAT AS GREAT A MYSTERY AS THE SECRET ITSELF. 104 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,267 AND, YET, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF THINGS WHICH HAVE, 105 00:05:58,300 --> 00:06:02,900 OVER THE CENTURIES, BEEN CONSIDERED AS IMPORTANT 106 00:06:02,933 --> 00:06:05,400 TO BE KEPT SECRET, 107 00:06:05,433 --> 00:06:07,300 THERE ARE THOSE WHO FEEL 108 00:06:07,333 --> 00:06:11,300 THAT CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE MUST BE KEPT FROM THE PEOPLE. 109 00:06:11,333 --> 00:06:13,967 TEND TO THINK THAT THOSE IN POWER, 110 00:06:14,067 --> 00:06:16,800 BOTH IN THE CHURCH AND IN POLITICS, 111 00:06:16,833 --> 00:06:20,500 HAVE A VERY LOW OPINION OF THE REST OF US. 112 00:06:20,533 --> 00:06:22,643 AND THERE'S ALWAYS THIS, "OH, YOU MUSTN'T TELL THE PEOPLE. 113 00:06:22,667 --> 00:06:23,533 THEY'LL PANIC." 114 00:06:23,567 --> 00:06:25,367 WELL, I'M DAMNED IF THEY'LL PANIC. 115 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,700 I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 116 00:06:31,167 --> 00:06:33,066 Gough: SO MUCH OF THE STORY IS SUSPICIOUS. 117 00:06:33,067 --> 00:06:36,133 YOU HAVE TO WONDER HOW THE CHURCH HAS COUNTERED 118 00:06:36,167 --> 00:06:37,633 ALL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. 119 00:06:37,667 --> 00:06:40,133 WELL, I'LL TELL YOU HOW THEY COUNTER IT. 120 00:06:40,167 --> 00:06:41,900 THEY COUNTER IT WITH A TRUMP CARD THAT SAYS, 121 00:06:41,933 --> 00:06:46,433 "WE TOOK THIS NUN, WE TOOK HER TO VATICAN CITY, 122 00:06:46,467 --> 00:06:48,900 AND WE BROUGHT HER IN, AND WE SHOWED HER THE LETTER. 123 00:06:48,933 --> 00:06:53,433 AND WE SAID, 'SISTER, THIS IS YOURS, RIGHT?' 124 00:06:53,467 --> 00:06:56,400 AND SHE SAID, 'YES, I WROTE THAT.'" 125 00:06:56,433 --> 00:06:59,200 BUT IMAGINE. PUT YOURSELF IN HER SHOES. 126 00:06:59,233 --> 00:07:01,700 SHE IS REALLY GETTING ON IN YEARS. 127 00:07:01,733 --> 00:07:07,767 SHE'S A NUN FROM RURAL PORTUGAL, AND SHE'S NOW IN VATICAN CITY 128 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,233 WITH THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN HER FAITH. 129 00:07:12,267 --> 00:07:14,433 AND THEY'RE TELLING HER. THEY'RE PRESSURING HER. 130 00:07:14,467 --> 00:07:17,200 THIS IS LIKE "CSI: VATICAN CITY." 131 00:07:17,233 --> 00:07:19,500 SHE HAS NO CHOICE. SHE HAS TO GIVE IN. 132 00:07:19,533 --> 00:07:20,800 SHE'S PRESSURED. 133 00:07:20,833 --> 00:07:26,067 UNDOUBTEDLY, SHE SAYS, "YES, THIS IS WHAT I SAID." 134 00:07:31,533 --> 00:07:33,867 Narrator: ONE THING THAT ISN'T A SECRET 135 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:37,667 IS THAT THE PROPHECIES ARE BIG BUSINESS IN FáTIMA. 136 00:07:37,700 --> 00:07:40,933 IT'S ESTIMATED THAT SOME FOUR AND A HALF MILLION PEOPLE 137 00:07:40,967 --> 00:07:42,400 VISIT EVERY YEAR, 138 00:07:42,433 --> 00:07:46,200 AND IT'S IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO SEE THE VIRGIN MARY ON EVERYTHING 139 00:07:46,233 --> 00:07:49,900 FROM MUGS AND TEA TOWELS TO VIALS OF HOLY WATER. 140 00:07:49,933 --> 00:07:52,933 JAMIE'S LOCAL GUIDE AND DRIVER, ALEX, 141 00:07:52,967 --> 00:07:56,700 HAS SEEN THE TOWN GROW FROM A SMALL, RURAL COMMUNITY 142 00:07:56,733 --> 00:08:00,700 INTO THE RELIGIOUS THEME PARK IT IS TODAY. 143 00:08:00,733 --> 00:08:03,500 Victorino: WE ARE NEAR THE BASILICA. 144 00:08:03,533 --> 00:08:06,167 THIS IS ONE OF THE MAIN STREETS OF FáTIMA. 145 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,300 AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S FULLY CROWDED. 146 00:08:09,333 --> 00:08:14,066 AND THEY EVEN HAVE A WAX MUSEUM 147 00:08:14,067 --> 00:08:16,066 WITH FIGURES FROM THE RELIGION, 148 00:08:16,067 --> 00:08:19,066 LIKE JOHN PAUL II, THE SHEPHERDS. 149 00:08:19,067 --> 00:08:20,433 Theakston: EVERY SHOP LOOKS LIKE 150 00:08:20,467 --> 00:08:22,367 IT'S SELLING THE SAME KIND OF STUFF, RIGHT? 151 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,833 YES. WHAT ELSE? [ LAUGHS ] 152 00:08:24,867 --> 00:08:29,167 THEY'RE ALL SELLING DOLLS OF MARY AND... 153 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,567 OH, IT MAKES SENSE 154 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,600 BECAUSE THE MAIN VISITORS HERE ARE PILGRIMS, DEFINITELY. 155 00:08:33,633 --> 00:08:37,567 WHEN THEY COME HERE, THEY WANT TO TAKE SOMETHING WITH THEM. 156 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,833 SO, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT WITHOUT THE PROPHECIES, 157 00:08:39,867 --> 00:08:41,433 THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY TOWN? 158 00:08:41,467 --> 00:08:44,267 YEAH, PROBABLY, THIS WOULD BE JUST PLAIN FIELDS 159 00:08:44,300 --> 00:08:47,833 LIKE THEY WERE BEFORE, YOU KNOW? 160 00:08:47,867 --> 00:08:51,867 AND, OF COURSE, IT WOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED LIKE IT IS. 161 00:08:54,833 --> 00:08:58,066 Gough: FáTIMA IS THE CHURCH'S DISNEYLAND. 162 00:08:58,067 --> 00:08:59,467 AND, YES, YOU CAN BUY ROSARIES 163 00:08:59,500 --> 00:09:01,667 AND THE SORTS OF THINGS YOU'D EXPECT TO BUY. 164 00:09:01,700 --> 00:09:05,200 BUT YOU CAN ALSO BUY FáTIMA TOENAIL CLIPPERS. 165 00:09:05,233 --> 00:09:10,433 YOU CAN BUY FáTIMA STRAW HATS AND ANYTHING IN BETWEEN. 166 00:09:10,467 --> 00:09:12,333 IT IS A MARKETING... 167 00:09:12,367 --> 00:09:14,767 MARKETER'S DREAM, WHAT IT HAS BECOME. 168 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,333 AND THERE'S NO SIGN OF IT RELENTING. 169 00:09:17,367 --> 00:09:19,567 IT'S GONNA BE AND CONTINUE TO BE 170 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,233 THE SHOWCASE SIGHT FOR THE CHURCH'S SUPERNATURAL 171 00:09:22,267 --> 00:09:24,667 FOR DECADES TO COME. 172 00:09:30,100 --> 00:09:32,633 WHAT'S INTERESTING IS PORTUGAL AND SPAIN HAVE 173 00:09:32,667 --> 00:09:35,367 A LONG TRADITION OF APPARITIONS. 174 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,767 THEY'VE BEEN SEEN FOR MANY HUNDREDS OF YEARS. 175 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:38,967 BUT WHEN I SAY "APPARITIONS," 176 00:09:39,067 --> 00:09:41,300 IT'S NOT THE APPEARANCE OF THE VIRGIN MARY. 177 00:09:41,333 --> 00:09:45,933 IT'S ANOMALOUS LIGHTS. IT'S STRANGE THINGS IN THE SKY. 178 00:09:45,967 --> 00:09:47,400 AND IT'S TRUE. 179 00:09:47,433 --> 00:09:49,967 THEY HAVE EXISTED IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD FOR A LONG TIME. 180 00:09:50,067 --> 00:09:53,066 SO IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THESE THREE YOUNG CHILDREN 181 00:09:53,067 --> 00:09:56,066 EXPERIENCED THAT NATURAL PHENOMENON, 182 00:09:56,067 --> 00:09:58,400 REPORTED IT, AND THE CHURCH WENT, 183 00:09:58,433 --> 00:10:02,200 "AHA! THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY." 184 00:10:02,233 --> 00:10:05,867 Narrator: THE INCREDIBLE MIRACLE OF THE SUN 185 00:10:05,900 --> 00:10:09,000 THAT 70,000 PEOPLE WITNESSED IN THE FIELDS OF FáTIMA, 186 00:10:09,033 --> 00:10:12,400 AND JAMIE MEETS A COUSIN OF SISTER LúCIA 187 00:10:12,433 --> 00:10:15,333 WHEN "FORBIDDEN HISTORY" RETURNS. 188 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,909 Narrator: JOURNALIST JAMIE THEAKSTON IS INVESTIGATING 189 00:10:20,933 --> 00:10:23,667 THE SO-CALLED PROPHECIES OF FáTIMA. 190 00:10:23,700 --> 00:10:26,000 IT'S CLAIMED THAT IN 1917, 191 00:10:26,033 --> 00:10:29,500 THE VIRGIN MARY APPEARED IN SOME FIELDS TO THREE YOUNG CHILDREN, 192 00:10:29,533 --> 00:10:31,967 GIVING THEM WARNINGS ABOUT FUTURE DISASTERS 193 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,967 TO AFFECT THE CHURCH AND MANKIND. 194 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,100 SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE 195 00:10:36,133 --> 00:10:38,433 THAT THE VATICAN HAS DELIBERATELY COVERED UP 196 00:10:38,467 --> 00:10:40,433 WHAT HAS BEEN RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC 197 00:10:40,467 --> 00:10:42,500 ABOUT THE CONTENTS OF THE PROPHECIES, 198 00:10:42,533 --> 00:10:45,867 CREATING ONE OF THE GREAT RELIGIOUS CONSPIRACIES 199 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:47,167 OF MODERN TIMES. 200 00:10:51,033 --> 00:10:56,967 [ PEOPLE SINGING IN PORTUGUESE ] 201 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,200 ON OCTOBER 13, 1917, 202 00:11:00,233 --> 00:11:03,700 70,000 PEOPLE GATHERED IN A FIELD IN FáTIMA 203 00:11:03,733 --> 00:11:08,600 TO WITNESS WHAT'S BECOME KNOWN AS "THE MIRACLE OF THE SUN." 204 00:11:08,633 --> 00:11:12,633 ACCORDING TO EYEWITNESS REPORTS, THE SUN CHANGED COLOR 205 00:11:12,667 --> 00:11:15,367 AND SPUN AROUND LIKE A WHEEL IN THE SKY, 206 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,733 CAUSING THE CROWD TO DROP TO THEIR KNEES AND WEEP. 207 00:11:18,767 --> 00:11:20,467 BUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED? 208 00:11:20,500 --> 00:11:22,867 WAS THIS A CASE OF MASS HYSTERIA, 209 00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:25,833 OR HAD TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WITNESSED 210 00:11:25,867 --> 00:11:27,767 A VERY REAL MIRACLE? 211 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,667 [ SINGING CONTINUES ] 212 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:31,933 Theakston: WAS IT NEAR HERE? 213 00:11:31,967 --> 00:11:34,333 NO, IT WAS IN ALL THIS SPACE. 214 00:11:34,367 --> 00:11:35,233 ALL HERE? YES. 215 00:11:35,267 --> 00:11:36,376 THIS IS WHERE IT HAPPENED? YES. 216 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,300 SO, LET'S JUST GO BACK TO 1917. YES. 217 00:11:39,333 --> 00:11:40,800 OCTOBER 13th. MM-HMM. 218 00:11:40,833 --> 00:11:42,800 SO, THERE'S 70,000 PEOPLE HERE? 219 00:11:42,833 --> 00:11:43,900 YES. PEOPLE HERE. 220 00:11:43,933 --> 00:11:46,066 YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE. 221 00:11:46,067 --> 00:11:48,567 WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OF THAT HERE. 222 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,100 NO. THIS IS JUST A FIELD. 223 00:11:50,133 --> 00:11:53,833 JUST A FIELD WITH STONES AND WITH TREES. 224 00:11:53,867 --> 00:11:57,333 THE PEOPLE WERE EVERYWHERE HERE. 225 00:11:57,367 --> 00:12:01,967 THE THREE CHILDREN WERE CLOSE TO THE PLACE 226 00:12:02,067 --> 00:12:04,800 WHERE NOW STANDS THE STATUE OF OUR LADY THERE. 227 00:12:04,833 --> 00:12:07,233 OKAY, SO THE THREE CHILDREN ARE THERE. 228 00:12:07,267 --> 00:12:09,133 YES, THEY PRAYED THE ROSARY, 229 00:12:09,167 --> 00:12:12,233 AND THE SISTER LúCIA TELL US THAT 230 00:12:12,267 --> 00:12:15,967 THEY PRAYED THE ROSARY WITH A TERRIBLE RAIN. 231 00:12:16,067 --> 00:12:19,333 AND THEN, SUDDENLY, THE RAIN STOPS, 232 00:12:19,367 --> 00:12:21,467 AND THE PEOPLE LOOK TO THE SUN 233 00:12:21,500 --> 00:12:26,067 AND SEE THE SUN ROLLING AND APPROACHING. 234 00:12:30,933 --> 00:12:33,667 DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? WAS THAT PART OF THE...? 235 00:12:33,700 --> 00:12:35,967 NO. WE DON'T KNOW THE MEANING. 236 00:12:36,067 --> 00:12:39,300 THE MEANING TO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE 237 00:12:39,333 --> 00:12:41,433 AND TO THE CHURCHES, 238 00:12:41,467 --> 00:12:46,767 THAT WAS A CONFIRMATION OF THE TRUTH OF 239 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,300 THE APPARITIONS OF THE MESSAGE OF OUR LADY. 240 00:12:49,333 --> 00:12:51,500 RIGHT, BECAUSE LúCIA AND THE OTHER TWO, 241 00:12:51,533 --> 00:12:53,300 THEY PREDICTED THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN. 242 00:12:53,333 --> 00:12:54,700 YES. SO THEY SAID... 243 00:12:54,733 --> 00:12:57,933 YES, OUR LADY HAVE SAID THAT IN OCTOBER, 244 00:12:57,967 --> 00:13:00,367 IT WILL BE A MIRACLE 245 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,967 AND ALL THE PEOPLE WILL BE CONVINCED OF THE... 246 00:13:04,067 --> 00:13:10,167 THAT CHILDREN SAID WAS TRUE. 247 00:13:13,367 --> 00:13:16,933 DO YOU THINK THE VATICAN HAVE BEEN LESS THAN TRANSPARENT? 248 00:13:16,967 --> 00:13:18,076 Fanthorpe: OH, I THINK THEY HAVE. 249 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:21,567 I THINK THAT THERE MAY WELL BE SOMETHING 250 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,133 IN THAT MYSTERIOUS THIRD SECRET, 251 00:13:24,167 --> 00:13:26,800 WHICH, FROM THE POINT OF VIEW 252 00:13:26,833 --> 00:13:31,567 OF A POWERFUL MEMBER OF THE VATICAN HIERARCHY, 253 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,367 OUGHT NOT TO REACH THE REST OF US BECAUSE... 254 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,633 NOW, THE "BECAUSE" IS ONLY IN HIS MIND 255 00:13:39,667 --> 00:13:42,900 OR IN TWO OR THREE MINDS OF THE VATICAN, 256 00:13:42,933 --> 00:13:48,333 RATHER THAN WHAT THE REST OF US WOULD DO WITH IT IF WE GOT IT. 257 00:13:54,700 --> 00:13:58,467 Narrator: SISTER LúCIA DIED BACK IN 2005, 258 00:13:58,500 --> 00:14:01,700 BUT JAMIE MANAGED TO TRACK DOWN ONE OF HER COUSINS 259 00:14:01,733 --> 00:14:04,200 WHO'D KNOWN HER FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS 260 00:14:04,233 --> 00:14:06,633 AND WHO AGREED TO TALK ABOUT HER. 261 00:14:06,667 --> 00:14:10,633 THESE ARE THREE SHEPHERDS. 262 00:14:10,667 --> 00:14:12,800 SHEP... SEE LúCIA? 263 00:14:12,833 --> 00:14:13,667 UH-HUH. 264 00:14:13,700 --> 00:14:15,600 JACINTA. 265 00:14:15,633 --> 00:14:17,367 AND FRANCISCO. 266 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,367 WOW. LOOK AT THAT. 267 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,433 DID LúCIA BELIEVE 268 00:14:21,467 --> 00:14:26,600 THE VATICAN REVEALED THE TRUE THIRD SECRET IN 2000? 269 00:14:26,633 --> 00:14:29,700 [ SPEAKING PORTUGUESE ] 270 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:18,367 "NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS." 271 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,867 [ LAUGHS ] 272 00:15:20,900 --> 00:15:24,600 RUMBLINGS OF DISCONTENT INSIDE THE VATICAN, 273 00:15:24,633 --> 00:15:27,067 ACCUSATIONS OF FORGERIES AND COVER-UPS, 274 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:30,500 AND WHAT COULD BE THE REAL APOCALYPTIC MESSAGE 275 00:15:30,533 --> 00:15:32,066 OF THE THIRD SECRET 276 00:15:32,067 --> 00:15:35,833 WHEN "FORBIDDEN HISTORY" RETURNS. 277 00:15:39,267 --> 00:15:41,367 Narrator: IT'S CLAIMED THAT IN 1917, 278 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,467 THE VIRGIN MARY APPEARED TO THREE YOUNG SHEPHERD CHILDREN 279 00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:47,867 IN THE FIELDS OF PORTUGAL, GIVING THEM PROPHECIES ABOUT 280 00:15:47,900 --> 00:15:51,800 FUTURE DISASTERS TO AFFECT THE CHURCH AND MANKIND. 281 00:15:51,833 --> 00:15:54,066 BUT A GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT 282 00:15:54,067 --> 00:15:56,533 THE VATICAN DELIBERATELY HID THE TRUTH 283 00:15:56,567 --> 00:15:59,333 ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. 284 00:15:59,367 --> 00:16:03,066 JOURNALIST JAMIE THEAKSTON HAS BEEN INVESTIGATING THE EVIDENCE, 285 00:16:03,067 --> 00:16:05,600 INCLUDING CLAIMS THAT THE REAL THIRD SECRET 286 00:16:05,633 --> 00:16:07,933 REVEALED THE DATE OF A COMING APOCALYPSE 287 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:11,100 AND THE DESTRUCTION OF THE CHURCH IN ROME. 288 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,400 ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS 289 00:16:17,433 --> 00:16:20,066 THAT SWIRLS AROUND THE FáTIMA CONTROVERSY 290 00:16:20,067 --> 00:16:22,867 IS WHETHER IT'S TRUE THAT THE VATICAN EITHER LIED 291 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:25,300 ABOUT THE TRUE CONTENT OF THE THIRD SECRET 292 00:16:25,333 --> 00:16:28,067 OR AT LEAST DISTORTED THE TRUTH. 293 00:16:28,100 --> 00:16:30,066 THEY'VE ALWAYS DENIED THIS, 294 00:16:30,067 --> 00:16:32,833 BUT THE RUMORS HAVEN'T GONE AWAY. 295 00:16:32,867 --> 00:16:35,933 IN 2007, CARDINAL BERTONE, 296 00:16:35,967 --> 00:16:37,733 THEN THE VATICAN'S CHIEF OF STAFF, 297 00:16:37,767 --> 00:16:41,433 WENT ON NATIONAL TELEVISION IN ITALY TO SHOW THE WORLD 298 00:16:41,467 --> 00:16:44,867 WHAT HE SAID WAS THE REAL THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA. 299 00:16:44,900 --> 00:16:48,900 HE REVEALED A SEALED ENVELOPE DATED 1967, 300 00:16:48,933 --> 00:16:52,067 IN WHICH WAS A LARGE PIECE OF HANDWRITTEN TEXT 301 00:16:52,100 --> 00:16:53,700 FOLDED INTO FOUR PARTS. 302 00:16:53,733 --> 00:16:56,633 THIS, HE SAID, WAS THE ACTUAL LETTER 303 00:16:56,667 --> 00:16:59,400 ON WHICH SISTER LúCIA WROTE DOWN HER PROPHECY. 304 00:16:59,433 --> 00:17:03,067 Gough: IF THE APPARITIONS WERE TRUE, 305 00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:05,933 AND IF THE THIRD SECRET, 306 00:17:05,967 --> 00:17:10,867 WHICH WAS HELD A SECRET AND NOT TOLD TO THE PUBLIC 307 00:17:10,900 --> 00:17:15,167 LONGER THAN ANY OTHER, DECADES BEFORE IT WAS REVEALED, 308 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,500 THE ONLY POSSIBLE EXPLANATION IS THAT IT WAS APOCALYPTIC 309 00:17:19,533 --> 00:17:21,233 OR DEALT WITH THE END OF THE CHURCH 310 00:17:21,267 --> 00:17:24,667 OR THE RISE OF SATANIC INFLUENCES WITHIN IT. 311 00:17:24,700 --> 00:17:26,767 THAT'S THE ONLY THING, IN MY HEAD, 312 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,100 THAT THAT THIRD SECRET COULD POSSIBLY 313 00:17:29,133 --> 00:17:31,633 HAVE REALLY HAVE BEEN ABOUT. 314 00:17:35,733 --> 00:17:38,433 Narrator: IN AN INTERVIEW FOR A GERMAN MAGAZINE 315 00:17:38,467 --> 00:17:41,100 PUBLISHED BACK IN OCTOBER, 1981, 316 00:17:41,133 --> 00:17:45,433 POPE JOHN PAUL II WAS ASKED EXPLICITLY TO SPEAK ABOUT 317 00:17:45,467 --> 00:17:48,167 THE THIRD SECRET, AND THIS WAS HIS REPLY. 318 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,533 "IT IS SAID THAT THE OCEANS 319 00:17:50,567 --> 00:17:53,300 WILL FLOOD ENTIRE SECTIONS OF THE EARTH, 320 00:17:53,333 --> 00:17:55,700 THAT FROM ONE MOMENT TO THE OTHER, 321 00:17:55,733 --> 00:17:58,100 MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WILL PERISH. 322 00:17:58,133 --> 00:18:00,967 WE CAN DO NOTHING AGAINST THIS CATASTROPHE 323 00:18:01,067 --> 00:18:02,467 THAT HAS BEEN PREDICTED. 324 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:05,500 WE MUST BE PREPARED TO UNDERGO GREAT TRIALS 325 00:18:05,533 --> 00:18:07,533 IN THE NOT-TOO-DISTANT FUTURE, 326 00:18:07,567 --> 00:18:09,100 TRIALS THAT WILL REQUIRE US 327 00:18:09,133 --> 00:18:12,233 TO BE READY TO GIVE UP EVEN OUR LIVES. 328 00:18:12,267 --> 00:18:13,900 THROUGH YOUR PRAYERS AND MINE, 329 00:18:13,933 --> 00:18:17,100 IT IS POSSIBLE TO ALLEVIATE THIS TRIBULATION, 330 00:18:17,133 --> 00:18:19,867 BUT IT IS NO LONGER POSSIBLE TO AVERT IT." 331 00:18:27,733 --> 00:18:31,067 ROB HOWELLS IS AN ENGLISH AUTHOR AND RESEARCHER 332 00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:34,300 WHO STUDIED THE FáTIMA CONTROVERSY FOR YEARS. 333 00:18:34,333 --> 00:18:36,800 HE BELIEVES THE COVER-UP IS REAL 334 00:18:36,833 --> 00:18:38,833 AND IT WAS DONE TO PROTECT PEOPLE 335 00:18:38,867 --> 00:18:42,500 FROM TERRIFYING APOCALYPTIC REVELATIONS. 336 00:18:42,533 --> 00:18:46,633 HEY, ROB. 337 00:18:46,667 --> 00:18:48,633 Howells: THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA 338 00:18:48,667 --> 00:18:50,800 REVOLVES AROUND THE APOCALYPSE, 339 00:18:50,833 --> 00:18:52,933 AND WE KNOW THIS FROM A NUMBER OF REASONS, 340 00:18:52,967 --> 00:18:54,667 A NUMBER OF SOURCES WITHIN THE CHURCH 341 00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:58,867 AND FROM THE WITNESS HERSELF, SISTER LúCIA, 342 00:18:58,900 --> 00:19:03,833 WHO RECORDED... IS ON RECORD AS STATING THAT 343 00:19:03,867 --> 00:19:08,233 IT RELATES TO PART OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION, 344 00:19:08,267 --> 00:19:09,709 WHICH IS THE OPENING OF THE SEVEN SEALS 345 00:19:09,733 --> 00:19:15,066 AND THE DESTRUCTION OF ROME AND THE FINAL APOCALYPSE. 346 00:19:15,067 --> 00:19:20,567 ROB HOWELLS SAYS THAT HE DISCUSSED THE THIRD SECRET 347 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,233 WITH A SENIOR VATICAN OFFICIAL BACK IN THE 1990s. 348 00:19:24,267 --> 00:19:27,500 THIS PRIEST CONFIRMED THAT THE PROPHECY HAD BEEN DISCUSSED 349 00:19:27,533 --> 00:19:29,933 AT THE VERY HIGHEST LEVELS IN THE VATICAN 350 00:19:29,967 --> 00:19:32,066 AND THAT ITS TRUE CONTENT INCLUDED 351 00:19:32,067 --> 00:19:35,367 A GRAVE APOCALYPTIC MESSAGE. 352 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,800 POPE JOHN PAUL II ALSO WENT ON RECORD TO SAY 353 00:19:38,833 --> 00:19:41,200 THAT IF YOU'D READ THE BOOK OF REVELATION, 354 00:19:41,233 --> 00:19:44,133 AND YOU KNEW THAT THE OCEANS WOULD INUNDATE THE WORLD 355 00:19:44,167 --> 00:19:46,667 AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WOULD DIE IN ONE DAY, 356 00:19:46,700 --> 00:19:48,400 THEN YOU'D LEARN NOTHING MORE 357 00:19:48,433 --> 00:19:50,567 FROM THE RELEASE OF THE THIRD SECRET. 358 00:19:53,467 --> 00:19:57,567 ROB SAYS THAT HE WAS ALSO TOLD THAT SISTER LúCIA HAD BEEN GIVEN 359 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,767 THE ACTUAL DATE OF THE START OF THIS APOCALYPSE 360 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,467 AND THE SUBSEQUENT GLOBAL DESTRUCTION. 361 00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:06,400 APPARENTLY, ACCORDING TO THE PRIEST, 362 00:20:06,433 --> 00:20:10,100 SHE DID PASS THIS INFORMATION ALONG TO POPE JOHN PAUL II, 363 00:20:10,133 --> 00:20:15,033 BUT HE DIED SHORTLY AFTER, TAKING THE DATE TO HIS GRAVE. 364 00:20:15,067 --> 00:20:18,167 THIS WAS THE SECRET THAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY 365 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,533 TO BE RELEASED IN 1960 BUT WAS HELD BACK. 366 00:20:21,567 --> 00:20:26,267 IN THE YEAR 2000, A VERSION OF IT WAS FINALLY RELEASED. 367 00:20:26,300 --> 00:20:30,267 BUT WE KNOW THAT THAT VERSION WASN'T THE ACTUAL PROPHECY 368 00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:31,633 BECAUSE IT DIFFERS FROM 369 00:20:31,667 --> 00:20:34,067 WHAT THE GIRL HAD WRITTEN IN HER JOURNAL AT THE TIME. 370 00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:35,667 SHE'D WRITTEN THE FIRST LINE, 371 00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:38,233 THAT THEIR FAITH WOULD ALWAYS BE STRONG IN PORTUGAL. 372 00:20:38,267 --> 00:20:42,167 AND THE VERSION THEY RELEASED HAD NO SUCH FIRST LINE. 373 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,133 SO, NOT ONLY DID THEY HOLD IT BACK FOR A FURTHER 40 YEARS, 374 00:20:45,167 --> 00:20:47,367 WHEN THEY FINALLY RELEASED SOMETHING, 375 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,200 IT WASN'T THE TEXT OF THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA. 376 00:20:51,233 --> 00:20:53,500 SO IT MUST BE OF SUCH IMPORTANCE 377 00:20:53,533 --> 00:20:57,300 THAT IT WAS FELT THAT THE PUBLIC WEREN'T READY TO HEAR IT. 378 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,367 THE FIRE OF CONTROVERSY OVER THE THIRD SECRET 379 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,167 HAS BEEN FUELED BY A NUMBER OF ITALIAN AUTHORS AND JOURNALISTS 380 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,367 OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS WHO HAVE CHALLENGED THE VATICAN 381 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,200 TO REVEAL THE TRUE CONTENT OF THE PROPHECY. 382 00:21:16,233 --> 00:21:17,900 SEVERAL BOOKS HAVE BEEN WRITTEN, 383 00:21:17,933 --> 00:21:20,066 THERE HAVE BEEN DEBATES ON TELEVISION, 384 00:21:20,067 --> 00:21:23,800 AND THE ITALIAN PRESS HAS BEEN FULL OF ARTICLES. 385 00:21:23,833 --> 00:21:25,933 ONE OF THE VATICAN'S LEADING CRITICS 386 00:21:25,967 --> 00:21:28,867 IS THE JOURNALIST, SOLIDEO PAOLINI, 387 00:21:28,900 --> 00:21:31,167 WHO AGREED TO MEET JAMIE IN A ROME HOTEL. 388 00:21:35,733 --> 00:21:38,067 Paolini: [ SPEAKING ITALIAN ] 389 00:22:11,167 --> 00:22:16,633 WHY HAS THE VATICAN COVERED THIS UP? 390 00:23:00,767 --> 00:23:05,133 WHAT IS IT THAT THE VATICAN AREN'T TELLING US? 391 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:34,300 SOLIDEO PAOLINI BELIEVES THAT THE TRUE THIRD SECRET 392 00:23:34,333 --> 00:23:37,433 FORETOLD THE CURRENT CRISIS WITHIN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 393 00:23:37,467 --> 00:23:39,700 INCLUDING THE CHILD-ABUSE SCANDAL 394 00:23:39,733 --> 00:23:42,600 AND THE CONTROVERSY SWIRLING AROUND THE VATICAN BANK 395 00:23:42,633 --> 00:23:45,267 AND THE ALLEGATIONS OF FRAUD. 396 00:23:45,300 --> 00:23:48,333 HE SAYS HE'S BEEN TOLD BY HIS VATICAN CONTACTS 397 00:23:48,367 --> 00:23:51,200 THAT THE REAL THIRD SECRET ALSO TALKS ABOUT 398 00:23:51,233 --> 00:23:53,233 THE CHURCH IN ROME LOSING ITS WAY 399 00:23:53,267 --> 00:23:57,066 AND BEING SEDUCED BY THE FORCES OF EVIL. 400 00:23:57,067 --> 00:24:01,067 THE VATICAN CLAIMED THAT THEY HAVE REVEALED 401 00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:04,066 EVERYTHING THERE IS TO DO WITH THE COVER-UP 402 00:24:04,067 --> 00:24:05,800 AND THERE'S NO MORE INFORMATION... 403 00:24:05,833 --> 00:24:06,933 THEY'RE NOT HIDING ANYTHING. 404 00:24:06,967 --> 00:24:08,933 WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? 405 00:25:03,233 --> 00:25:04,900 IT WOULD SEEM THE VATICAN ARE IN 406 00:25:04,933 --> 00:25:06,733 A STATE OF TURMOIL AT THE MOMENT. 407 00:25:06,767 --> 00:25:10,567 DO YOU THINK THAT WE ARE SEEING THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA, 408 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,467 THE PROPHECY, COMING TRUE? 409 00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:19,400 I THINK IT MIGHT EVEN HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO DO 410 00:25:19,433 --> 00:25:24,300 WITH THE UNTIMELY RESIGNATION OF BENEDICT. 411 00:25:24,333 --> 00:25:27,433 YOU SEE, THAT HASN'T HAPPENED FOR 600 YEARS. 412 00:25:27,467 --> 00:25:30,500 AND THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMETHING WHICH, 413 00:25:30,533 --> 00:25:34,233 AGAIN, IS NOT OF ANY GREAT IMPORTANCE TO MOST OF US, 414 00:25:34,267 --> 00:25:39,367 BUT WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING UNTHINKABLE TO THEM. 415 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,300 AND, THEREFORE, IF SOMEBODY HAD, AS THEY WILL SAY, 416 00:25:43,333 --> 00:25:45,967 READ THAT THE NEXT POPE IS GOING... 417 00:25:46,067 --> 00:25:48,633 THAT POPE BENEDICT IS GOING TO RESIGN 418 00:25:48,667 --> 00:25:51,066 BEFORE HE DIES IN OFFICE, 419 00:25:51,067 --> 00:25:55,967 THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AS SOMETHING SO TRAUMATIC 420 00:25:56,067 --> 00:25:58,533 WITHIN THE VATICAN HIERARCHY. 421 00:25:58,567 --> 00:26:01,133 "OH, MUSTN'T LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT. 422 00:26:01,167 --> 00:26:03,200 POPE... IT'LL CHANGE THE WORLD." 423 00:26:03,233 --> 00:26:05,967 HAD PRACTICALLY NO IMPRESSION ON ANYBODY. 424 00:26:06,067 --> 00:26:08,467 THE GUY'S RESIGNED. WELL, GOOD LUCK. 425 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:11,700 HE WAS 85 AND FEELING HIS AGE. 426 00:26:17,733 --> 00:26:19,767 Narrator: EDWARD PENTIN IS THE ROME CORRESPONDENT 427 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,066 FOR THE CATHOLIC HERALD. 428 00:26:21,067 --> 00:26:24,800 HE'S BEEN A VATICAN INSIDER FOR OVER A DECADE 429 00:26:24,833 --> 00:26:26,433 AND AGREED TO MEET WITH JAMIE 430 00:26:26,467 --> 00:26:29,900 AND GIVE HIM HIS TAKE ON THE FáTIMA AFFAIR. 431 00:26:29,933 --> 00:26:33,967 Theakston: DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A COVER-UP, 432 00:26:34,067 --> 00:26:36,900 THAT THE VATICAN DELIBERATELY MISLED THE PUBLIC 433 00:26:36,933 --> 00:26:39,066 OVER THE SECRET OF FáTIMA? 434 00:26:39,067 --> 00:26:41,900 I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE. 435 00:26:41,933 --> 00:26:44,433 I THINK CARDINAL BERTONE, WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF... 436 00:26:44,467 --> 00:26:46,967 WHO WAS ARCHBISHOP THEN IN CHARGE OF THIS... 437 00:26:47,067 --> 00:26:48,700 THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA, 438 00:26:48,733 --> 00:26:50,209 GAVE A VERY STRONG STATEMENT SAYING THAT, 439 00:26:50,233 --> 00:26:52,867 "THIS IS ALL HEARSAY." 440 00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:55,100 WHAT HE'S REVEALED IS THE FULL SECRET, 441 00:26:55,133 --> 00:26:57,533 THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA. 442 00:26:57,567 --> 00:27:01,067 I THINK A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT CERTAIN... 443 00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:03,767 ITALY, THERE'S A CERTAIN CULTURE IN THE MEDIA 444 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,600 OF LOOKING AT THE VATICAN PARTICULARLY 445 00:27:07,633 --> 00:27:09,667 AND SEEING LOTS OF CONSPIRACIES. 446 00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:12,600 AND IT'S CALLED IN ITALIAN, "DIETROLOGIA," 447 00:27:12,633 --> 00:27:14,133 WHICH MEANS THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING 448 00:27:14,167 --> 00:27:16,900 IN THE BACKGROUND GOING ON WHICH WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT. 449 00:27:16,933 --> 00:27:19,467 THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE ISN'T, 450 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:23,233 BUT I THINK, OFTEN, THERE IS A CERTAIN DEFAULT POSITION 451 00:27:23,267 --> 00:27:24,867 AMONG CERTAIN ITALIAN JOURNALISTS 452 00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:27,867 WHO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, "THIS ISN'T ALL THAT WE'RE BEING TOLD. 453 00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:30,133 THERE'S MORE TO IT. THERE MUST BE MORE TO IT." 454 00:27:30,167 --> 00:27:33,500 AND, IN FACT, SISTER LúCIA DID ACTUALLY AGREE 455 00:27:33,533 --> 00:27:35,100 WITH CARDINAL BERTONE'S STATEMENT 456 00:27:35,133 --> 00:27:37,066 SAYING THAT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN REVEALED, 457 00:27:37,067 --> 00:27:40,066 AND WHAT'S BEEN REVEALED IS TRUE. 458 00:27:40,067 --> 00:27:43,800 SO I DON'T THINK ONE CAN EASILY CONTEND 459 00:27:43,833 --> 00:27:45,833 THAT THERE IS A CONSPIRACY GOING ON... NOT NOW 460 00:27:45,867 --> 00:27:48,300 BUT, OBVIOUSLY, SOME PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE THAT. 461 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,933 JAMIE JOINS THE CROWDS IN ST. PETER'S SQUARE 462 00:27:57,967 --> 00:27:59,467 FOR A PAPAL MASS, 463 00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:00,767 QUESTIONS ARE RAISED ABOUT 464 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,667 THE VERY FUTURE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 465 00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:05,700 AND A VATICAN INSIDER DEFENDS THE ALLEGATIONS 466 00:28:05,733 --> 00:28:08,800 OF FORGERIES AND COVER-UPS OF THE THIRD SECRET 467 00:28:08,833 --> 00:28:11,067 WHEN "FORBIDDEN HISTORY" RETURNS. 468 00:28:14,167 --> 00:28:15,833 Narrator: HERE IN FáTIMA, 469 00:28:15,867 --> 00:28:19,200 ON SIX OCCASIONS BETWEEN MAY AND OCTOBER 1917, 470 00:28:19,233 --> 00:28:21,767 IT IS SAID THAT THE VIRGIN MARY APPEARED TO 471 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,900 THREE YOUNG PORTUGUESE CHILDREN... 472 00:28:23,933 --> 00:28:26,167 LúCIA SANTOS AND HER TWO COUSINS, 473 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,200 FRANCISCO AND JACINTA. 474 00:28:28,233 --> 00:28:30,600 BUT HAS THE TRUE CONTENT OF THESE PROPHECIES 475 00:28:30,633 --> 00:28:32,667 REALLY BEEN RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC, 476 00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:36,267 OR HAS THE VATICAN WITHHELD VITAL INFORMATION? 477 00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:39,066 JOURNALIST JAMIE THEAKSTON IS IN ROME 478 00:28:39,067 --> 00:28:41,233 ON A MISSION TO UNCOVER THE TRUTH, 479 00:28:41,267 --> 00:28:43,567 INCLUDING CLAIMS OF A COMING APOCALYPSE 480 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,400 AND THAT FRANCIS WILL BE THE LAST POPE. 481 00:28:47,433 --> 00:28:50,200 [ CHANTING IN ITALIAN ] 482 00:28:58,167 --> 00:29:01,200 EVERY SUNDAY IN ROME, WHEN HE'S IN TOWN, 483 00:29:01,233 --> 00:29:03,967 THE POPE MAKES AN APPEARANCE IN ST. PETER'S SQUARE 484 00:29:04,067 --> 00:29:06,700 TO ADDRESS AND BLESS THE CROWD. 485 00:29:06,733 --> 00:29:09,133 IN THE WANING YEARS OF BENEDICT'S REIGN, 486 00:29:09,167 --> 00:29:11,900 THE NUMBERS HAD DWINDLED TO A FEW THOUSAND. 487 00:29:11,933 --> 00:29:15,367 BUT THE NEW POPE, FRANCIS, IS DRAWING HUGE CROWDS 488 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,233 AS JAMIE AND ROB HOWELLS FOUND OUT FOR THEMSELVES. 489 00:29:22,267 --> 00:29:24,176 Theakston: WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND, YOU REALLY GET THAT SENSE OF 490 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,967 JUST HOW POWERFUL AND HOW POPULAR STILL, 491 00:29:27,067 --> 00:29:28,867 YOU KNOW, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS. 492 00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:31,333 IT SEEMS RATHER FAR-FETCHED, DON'T YOU THINK, 493 00:29:31,367 --> 00:29:33,700 THAT THIS IS GONNA BE... WE'RE PROPHESIZING 494 00:29:33,733 --> 00:29:36,300 THE END OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, DON'T YOU THINK? 495 00:29:36,333 --> 00:29:37,600 YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT 496 00:29:37,633 --> 00:29:40,500 CHRISTIANITY IS AN APOCALYPTIC FAITH. 497 00:29:40,533 --> 00:29:42,933 IT HAS AN APOCALYPTIC ENDING. 498 00:29:42,967 --> 00:29:45,467 SO ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE WILL BELIEVE IN 499 00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:48,533 SOME FORM OF APOCALYPSE, BE IT SPIRITUAL, PHYSICAL. 500 00:29:48,567 --> 00:29:51,100 YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE DESTRUCTIVE. IT MAY BE EARTHQUAKES. 501 00:29:51,133 --> 00:29:53,066 AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING MORE PERSONAL. 502 00:29:53,067 --> 00:29:54,700 BUT THEY'RE ALL BELIEVING IN APOCALYPSE. 503 00:29:54,733 --> 00:29:55,943 AND THEY ALL BELIEVE, TO SOME EXTENT, 504 00:29:55,967 --> 00:29:57,967 THAT IT'S IMMANENT BECAUSE IT WAS PROPHESIZED 505 00:29:58,067 --> 00:30:00,967 THAT AFTER 2,000 YEARS FROM THE LIFE OF CHRIST 506 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,033 THAT HE WOULD RETURN TO OVERSEE THIS KIND OF FINAL EVENT. 507 00:30:04,067 --> 00:30:06,333 AND THAT THIS... ACCORDING TO MALACHY, 508 00:30:06,367 --> 00:30:07,633 THIS MAY BE THE LAST POPE 509 00:30:07,667 --> 00:30:10,067 THAT ALSO IS PRESENT AT THE APOCALYPSE. 510 00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:13,633 [ SPEAKING ITALIAN ] 511 00:30:13,667 --> 00:30:16,933 Howells: MALACHY'S PROPHECY STATES THAT THIS FINAL POPE, 512 00:30:16,967 --> 00:30:20,833 POPE FRANCIS, IS THE FINAL POPE. 513 00:30:20,867 --> 00:30:24,100 THE PETER OF ROME, PETER THE ROMAN, 514 00:30:24,133 --> 00:30:26,400 WHO WILL OVERSEE THE FALL OF THE VATICAN 515 00:30:26,433 --> 00:30:28,133 AND THE END OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 516 00:30:28,167 --> 00:30:31,567 AND THAT IT WILL BE DESTRUCTED, THAT ROME WILL BE DESTROYED. 517 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,200 SO, WE'VE REACHED THAT DAY. 518 00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:38,967 YOU'VE GOT QUITE A SORT OF LITERAL IDEA 519 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,967 OF WHAT THE PROPHECY MEANS. 520 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,700 DO PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS 521 00:30:42,733 --> 00:30:46,700 OR DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS OF WHAT IT MIGHT BE? 522 00:30:46,733 --> 00:30:49,000 IT COULD BE PURELY SPIRITUAL. 523 00:30:49,033 --> 00:30:50,867 IT COULD BE THE COLLAPSE OF THE VATICAN, 524 00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:53,833 THE COLLAPSE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 525 00:30:53,867 --> 00:30:55,800 THAT, AT SOME POINT, THEY HAND BACK 526 00:30:55,833 --> 00:30:58,800 CONTROL OR BELIEF OR FAITH TO INDIVIDUALS, 527 00:30:58,833 --> 00:31:01,333 WHEREAS BEFORE, PEOPLE WOULD FIND GOD DIRECTLY. 528 00:31:01,367 --> 00:31:04,100 THIS IDEA IS THAT YOU DON'T NEED A POPE OR A PRIEST 529 00:31:04,133 --> 00:31:05,733 AND YOU GO BACK TO A KIND OF GNOSTIC. 530 00:31:05,767 --> 00:31:07,400 JUST AS JESUS ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE 531 00:31:07,433 --> 00:31:08,967 COMMUNICATED DIRECTLY WITH GOD 532 00:31:09,067 --> 00:31:10,400 AND NOT GONE TO THE PRIESTS 533 00:31:10,433 --> 00:31:12,267 AND WOULD HAVE ARGUED WITH THE PRIESTS, 534 00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:13,900 THERE MAY COME A TIME 535 00:31:13,933 --> 00:31:16,933 WHEN THE CATHOLIC PEOPLE DON'T NEED A POPE, 536 00:31:16,967 --> 00:31:18,700 AND IT MAY BE THAT IT'S TALKING ABOUT 537 00:31:18,733 --> 00:31:20,400 THE END OF THE CHURCH IN THAT FORM, 538 00:31:20,433 --> 00:31:22,267 AND THAT IT TAKES ANOTHER FORM. 539 00:31:26,333 --> 00:31:28,867 THESE ARE DARK AND DIFFICULT TIMES 540 00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:30,267 FOR THE VATICAN 541 00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:32,367 AND POSSIBLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. 542 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,167 AS A PRIEST YOURSELF, LIONEL, 543 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,500 DO YOU THINK THAT THE THIRD PROPHECY 544 00:31:38,533 --> 00:31:40,667 MIGHT BE COMING TRUE? 545 00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:43,500 Fanthorpe: WELL, AS A VERY SIMPLE, EVERYDAY, 546 00:31:43,533 --> 00:31:46,066 AND ORDINARY SERVING PRIEST, 547 00:31:46,067 --> 00:31:49,633 I WOULD FIND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CHURCH 548 00:31:49,667 --> 00:31:52,533 IS VERY DISTURBING. 549 00:31:52,567 --> 00:31:56,300 AND I HAVE ALWAYS SEPARATED IN MY MIND 550 00:31:56,333 --> 00:31:59,333 WHAT I THINK OF AS CHURCH-IANITY, 551 00:31:59,367 --> 00:32:01,300 WHICH IS AN ORGANIZATION 552 00:32:01,333 --> 00:32:04,733 WITH PEOPLE STRUGGLING FOR POWER AT THE TOP 553 00:32:04,767 --> 00:32:08,800 AND NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS BEHAVING 554 00:32:08,833 --> 00:32:11,933 AS WE RATHER HOPE THEY WOULD, 555 00:32:11,967 --> 00:32:15,233 FROM CHRISTIANITY, WHICH TAKES ME BACK TO 556 00:32:15,267 --> 00:32:19,767 THE CARPENTER OF NAZARETH WHO TAUGHT US TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER. 557 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,767 AND WHERE JESUS SAYS, "INASMUCH AS YOU HAVE DONE IT TO 558 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,533 ONE OF MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS, YOU'VE DONE IT TO ME." 559 00:32:26,567 --> 00:32:30,933 NOW, THAT, FOR ME, IS THE CORE OF TRUE CHRISTIAN RELIGION. 560 00:32:30,967 --> 00:32:36,633 THAT IS THE RELIGION OF WHICH I WANT TO BE A PRIEST. 561 00:32:36,667 --> 00:32:42,767 IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE THIRD PROPHECY 562 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,600 SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE DOWNFALL OF THE CHURCH 563 00:32:46,633 --> 00:32:52,667 UNLESS BETTER THINGS WERE DONE, BETTER BEHAVIOR CAME? 564 00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:57,433 BECAUSE IT DOES LOOK, FROM A GLOBAL POINT OF VIEW, 565 00:32:57,467 --> 00:33:01,433 THAT THE CHURCH IS IN VERY SERIOUS TROUBLE. 566 00:33:05,867 --> 00:33:08,066 Narrator: THE VATICAN'S OFFICIAL POSITION 567 00:33:08,067 --> 00:33:10,167 IS THAT THE TRUE TEXT OF THE THIRD SECRET 568 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,333 WAS REVEALED IN 2000, AND THAT'S THAT. 569 00:33:13,367 --> 00:33:16,600 THERE IS NO CONTROVERSY, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY COVER-UP, 570 00:33:16,633 --> 00:33:20,333 AND NO ONE HAS LIED ABOUT ANYTHING. 571 00:33:20,367 --> 00:33:23,333 JAMIE TRIED TO TALK TO SOME SENIOR OFFICIALS AT THE VATICAN 572 00:33:23,367 --> 00:33:26,200 ABOUT THIS SUBJECT, BUT THEY DECLINED. 573 00:33:26,233 --> 00:33:30,567 HOWEVER, HE WAS PUT IN TOUCH WITH MICHAEL HESEMANN, 574 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,367 A GERMAN AUTHOR AND HISTORIAN 575 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,400 WHO'S WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE VATICAN FOR YEARS. 576 00:33:35,433 --> 00:33:38,500 HE CO-AUTHORED A BOOK, "MY BROTHER, THE POPE" 577 00:33:38,533 --> 00:33:42,100 WITH MONSIGNOR GEORG RATZINGER, POPE BENEDICT'S OLDER BROTHER, 578 00:33:42,133 --> 00:33:44,533 AND HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH DATING IMPORTANT RELICS 579 00:33:44,567 --> 00:33:47,200 FOR THE HOLY SEE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. 580 00:33:51,067 --> 00:33:53,967 Theakston: DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE VATICAN HAS COVERED UP 581 00:33:54,067 --> 00:33:55,433 THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA? 582 00:33:55,467 --> 00:33:56,800 NOT AT ALL. CERTAINLY NOT. 583 00:33:56,833 --> 00:33:59,167 FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S NO REASON TO COVER IT UP. WHY? 584 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,100 BECAUSE IF YOU READ THE SUMMONS, 585 00:34:02,133 --> 00:34:04,400 THE HOMILIES GIVEN BY POPE BENEDICT HIMSELF 586 00:34:04,433 --> 00:34:05,667 IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, 587 00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:09,600 THEY ARE MUCH MORE SEVERE EVEN AND MUCH MORE SERIOUS EVEN 588 00:34:09,633 --> 00:34:14,433 THAN THE STRONGEST VERSION OF THE ALLEGED FáTIMA SECRET. 589 00:34:14,467 --> 00:34:18,066 SECOND, TO BELIEVE THERE'S A COVER-UP 590 00:34:18,067 --> 00:34:21,800 WOULD MEAN TO BELIEVE THAT BOTH THE LAST POPE, 591 00:34:21,833 --> 00:34:25,333 POPE BENEDICT AND POPE JOHN PAUL II 592 00:34:25,367 --> 00:34:27,200 WERE LIARS. 593 00:34:27,233 --> 00:34:31,066 ALSO, CARDINAL BERTONE, WHO INVESTIGATED IT ON BEHALF 594 00:34:31,067 --> 00:34:33,633 OF POPE JOHN PAUL II 595 00:34:33,667 --> 00:34:36,967 AND WHO PREPARED THE PUBLICATION BY BOTH OF THEM, 596 00:34:37,067 --> 00:34:39,933 BERTONE HIMSELF AND CARDINAL RATZINGER, 597 00:34:39,967 --> 00:34:43,267 WHO LATER BECAME POPE BENEDICT XVI. 598 00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:48,100 SO TO BELIEVE THAT POPES WERE LIARS, I MEAN, WHY? 599 00:34:48,133 --> 00:34:49,367 WHY? THERE'S NO INTENTION. 600 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,600 THERE'S NO REASON FOR SUCH AN OUTRAGEOUS CLAIM. 601 00:34:52,633 --> 00:34:55,200 TO MAKE SUCH A BIG CLAIM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVIDENCE. 602 00:34:55,233 --> 00:34:58,333 THERE'S NO EVIDENCE AT ALL, AND THERE'S NO REASON TO COVER IT UP 603 00:34:58,367 --> 00:35:01,700 BECAUSE WHAT SHOULD BE MORE HARDER THAN THE DEATH 604 00:35:01,733 --> 00:35:06,133 OF MAYBE HUNDREDS OF PRIESTS AND BISHOPS, 605 00:35:06,167 --> 00:35:10,500 OF THE DESTROYED CITY OF ROME AND AN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT, 606 00:35:10,533 --> 00:35:13,500 OR EVEN AN ASSASSINATION IN A VISION OF A POPE? 607 00:35:13,533 --> 00:35:15,733 THERE'S NOTHING MORE HARDER YOU CAN IMAGINE, 608 00:35:15,767 --> 00:35:17,933 NOTHING MORE SERIOUS TO BE COVERED UP. 609 00:35:24,067 --> 00:35:26,066 YOU'VE ASKED BERTONE YOURSELF 610 00:35:26,067 --> 00:35:27,867 ABOUT THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA. 611 00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:29,333 WHAT DID HE HAVE TO SAY? 612 00:35:29,367 --> 00:35:33,100 AFTER THE HOLY SEE PUBLISHED THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA, 613 00:35:33,133 --> 00:35:35,167 I WANTED TO KNOW THE WHOLE STORY. 614 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,066 SO I GOT AN INTERVIEW WITH CARDINAL BERTONE, 615 00:35:38,067 --> 00:35:41,233 A TWO HOURS' INTERVIEW IN THE PRESENCE OF GEORG GANSWEIN, 616 00:35:41,267 --> 00:35:45,067 WHO WAS A YOUNG MONSIGNOR AT THE CONGREGATION AT THAT TIME. 617 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:48,200 AND I WANTED TO KNOW EVERYTHING FROM HIM. 618 00:35:48,233 --> 00:35:50,567 AND HE TOLD ME, VERY FRANKLY, 619 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,133 HE WAS COMMISSIONED BY POPE JOHN PAUL II 620 00:35:53,167 --> 00:35:54,800 TO PREPARE THE PUBLICATION. 621 00:35:54,833 --> 00:35:57,066 HE FLEW TO PORTUGAL SEVERAL TIMES 622 00:35:57,067 --> 00:35:58,600 TO MEET WITH SISTER LúCIA, 623 00:35:58,633 --> 00:36:01,800 THE ONLY SURVIVING OF THE THREE CHILDREN OF FáTIMA, 624 00:36:01,833 --> 00:36:04,700 IN HER CARMEL CONVENT IN COIMBRA. 625 00:36:04,733 --> 00:36:07,067 AND ONE TIME, HE BROUGHT THE ORIGINAL ENVELOPE, 626 00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:09,300 THE VERY ENVELOPE WHICH WAS LATER PUBLISHED 627 00:36:09,333 --> 00:36:10,933 AND SHOWED IT TO HER AND SAID, 628 00:36:10,967 --> 00:36:13,400 "IS THIS THE THIRD SECRET?" AND SHE CONFIRMED IT. 629 00:36:13,433 --> 00:36:15,400 SHE WAS COMPLETELY IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. 630 00:36:15,433 --> 00:36:17,367 AND HE ASKED, "IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE 631 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,733 WHICH WE DON'T HAVE WHICH WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT?" 632 00:36:19,767 --> 00:36:22,633 AND SHE SAID, "NO. THIS IS THE ONLY THIRD SECRET." 633 00:36:22,667 --> 00:36:25,733 SO, OF COURSE, YOU CAN SAY CARDINAL BERTONE, 634 00:36:25,767 --> 00:36:28,433 THE CARDINAL SECRETARY OF STATE OF THE VATICAN, 635 00:36:28,467 --> 00:36:30,700 AND TWO POPES ARE LIARS. 636 00:36:30,733 --> 00:36:33,267 BUT IS THIS REASONABLE? WHY? 637 00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:34,867 THERE IS NOTHING MORE HORRIBLE 638 00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:38,066 THAN THE CONTENT OF THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA, 639 00:36:38,067 --> 00:36:41,133 THE DESTRUCTION, THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF ROME, 640 00:36:41,167 --> 00:36:44,467 AND THE MURDER, AN ATTACK, A MURDEROUS ATTACK, 641 00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:47,633 ON THE ROMAN COURIER AND THE POPE HIMSELF. 642 00:36:47,667 --> 00:36:51,200 THIS IS THE BEST EXPLANATION WHY IT WAS KEPT SECRET, 643 00:36:51,233 --> 00:36:53,700 BECAUSE THE CONTENT WAS SO HORRIBLE. 644 00:36:53,733 --> 00:36:57,467 BUT NOBODY WANTED EVEN TO DEAL WITH THE IDEA 645 00:36:57,500 --> 00:36:59,700 THAT THIS COULD HAPPEN. 646 00:36:59,733 --> 00:37:04,133 Narrator: WITH ALL THE ACCUSATIONS AND INTRIGUE 647 00:37:04,167 --> 00:37:06,500 ABOUT THE THIRD SECRET SWIRLING AROUND ROME, 648 00:37:06,533 --> 00:37:09,800 IT'S EASY TO FORGET THAT IT ALL STARTED BACK IN FáTIMA 649 00:37:09,833 --> 00:37:14,700 IN 1917 IN A REMOTE FIELD WITH THREE YOUNG CHILDREN. 650 00:37:14,733 --> 00:37:16,167 THE PROPHECIES GIVEN TO THEM 651 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,567 HAVE HAD A HUGE IMPACT ON THE CHURCH 652 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,367 AND CHANGED THEIR LITTLE VILLAGE FOREVER. 653 00:37:26,267 --> 00:37:29,167 Theakston: IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, FATHER CARLOS, 654 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,633 LOOKING OUT HERE NOW THAT THIS WAS ALL JUST ONCE FIELDS 655 00:37:33,667 --> 00:37:35,133 NOT THAT LONG AGO. 656 00:37:35,167 --> 00:37:36,733 I MEAN... 657 00:37:36,767 --> 00:37:40,700 FáTIMA HAS ALMOST A CENTURY. 658 00:37:40,733 --> 00:37:42,700 BUT AT THE BEGINNING HERE, 659 00:37:42,733 --> 00:37:47,267 THERE WAS NOTHING BUT STONES AND SOME TREES. 660 00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:52,900 ALSO, THESE PLACES WHERE WE ARE, THE CITY... 661 00:37:52,933 --> 00:37:56,200 THIS LITTLE TOWN OF FáTIMA HAS GROWED. 662 00:37:56,233 --> 00:38:00,067 THAT MEANS WE HAVE NOW MANY HOTELS, 663 00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:02,633 MANY RESTAURANTS, MANY SHOPS. 664 00:38:02,667 --> 00:38:05,066 BUT ALSO, THIS PLACE, 665 00:38:05,067 --> 00:38:10,967 WHICH IS THE REASON OF MILLION OF PEOPLE EACH YEAR 666 00:38:11,067 --> 00:38:13,467 COMES TO FáTIMA. 667 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,133 EVERYONE I SEE AND EVERYTHING, 668 00:38:19,167 --> 00:38:22,433 FROM THE PEOPLE AND THE SHOPS AND THE HOTELS 669 00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:24,533 ALL SEEM TO BE DIRECTLY RELATED 670 00:38:24,567 --> 00:38:26,900 TO THE WHOLE FáTIMA INDUSTRY, RIGHT? 671 00:38:26,933 --> 00:38:29,967 EXACTLY. IT'S THE MAIN INDUSTRY. 672 00:38:30,067 --> 00:38:31,667 IT'S A WAY THAT THE PEOPLE... 673 00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:35,833 BECAUSE OTHERWISE, THIS WOULD BE JUST A SMALL VILLAGE, 674 00:38:35,867 --> 00:38:40,067 RURAL PROBABLY AND QUITE POOR, ACTUALLY, 675 00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:44,067 'CAUSE THE BIGGEST TOWN IS ABOUT 20 KILOMETERS FROM HERE. 676 00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:50,667 WELL, THIS SMALL VILLAGE DEVELOPED TO BE A TOWN. 677 00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:57,066 BUT A TOWN FULL OF HOTELS AND FULL OF SHOPS. 678 00:38:57,067 --> 00:39:01,066 SO, DID THE THIRD SECRET PROPHESY 679 00:39:01,067 --> 00:39:03,900 THE COLLAPSE OF THE VATICAN AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 680 00:39:03,933 --> 00:39:05,867 OR WAS IT A LARGER APOCALYPSE 681 00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:08,333 THAT WOULD DESTROY MANKIND ITSELF? 682 00:39:08,367 --> 00:39:10,833 JAMIE THEAKSTON EXAMINES THE INCREDIBLE EVIDENCE 683 00:39:10,867 --> 00:39:15,400 WHEN "FORBIDDEN HISTORY" RETURNS. 684 00:39:19,233 --> 00:39:20,809 Narrator: JOURNALIST JAMIE THEAKSTON IS INVESTIGATING 685 00:39:20,833 --> 00:39:23,633 THE CLAIMS THAT THE VATICAN HAS SOMEHOW COVERED UP 686 00:39:23,667 --> 00:39:27,066 THE TRUTH OF THE SO-CALLED SECRETS OF FáTIMA. 687 00:39:27,067 --> 00:39:29,333 WERE THE THREE PORTUGUESE SHEPHERD CHILDREN 688 00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:30,900 WARNED BY THE VIRGIN MARY 689 00:39:30,933 --> 00:39:33,367 OF THE COLLAPSE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH? 690 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,367 DID THE PROPHECIES ALSO REVEAL A COMING APOCALYPSE 691 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,433 AND PERHAPS THE DESTRUCTION OF MANKIND ITSELF? 692 00:39:39,467 --> 00:39:41,667 AND ARE THE LETTERS THAT WOULD PROVE THIS 693 00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:44,733 LOCKED AWAY IN THE VATICAN ARCHIVES? 694 00:39:57,833 --> 00:40:01,367 AFTER SISTER LúCIA DIED, 695 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,900 DID BERTONE ISSUE THE ORDER 696 00:40:03,933 --> 00:40:09,833 TO HAVE THE PAPERS SEIZED AND TO SEAL UP THE ROOM? 697 00:40:09,867 --> 00:40:14,400 Paolini: [ SPEAKING ITALIAN ] 698 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,900 Gough: I THINK THE THIRD SECRET TRULY WAS ABOUT 699 00:41:21,933 --> 00:41:25,066 THE END OF THE CHURCH AS WE KNOW IT, 700 00:41:25,067 --> 00:41:27,467 POSSIBLY THE END OF THE WORLD, 701 00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:30,100 POSSIBLY THE RISE OF EVIL FORCES, 702 00:41:30,133 --> 00:41:31,467 SUCH AS SATANISM. 703 00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:33,133 I THINK IT HAD TO BE ABOUT THAT. 704 00:41:33,167 --> 00:41:35,667 AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE CHURCH REALLY MISSED 705 00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:39,167 AN OPPORTUNITY 20 YEARS AGO TO BE HONEST ABOUT THAT 706 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,867 AND TO SPIN THAT BECAUSE LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED. 707 00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:45,933 IT'S ALL COME TO FRUITION. 708 00:41:45,967 --> 00:41:50,900 WHY WAS IT IMPORTANT FOR THE VATICAN TO KEEP THIS SECRET? 709 00:41:50,933 --> 00:41:53,533 I THINK IT SPEAKS OF THE END TIMES 710 00:41:53,567 --> 00:41:56,066 AND OF THE END OF THE VATICAN ITSELF. 711 00:41:56,067 --> 00:42:00,233 AND I THINK, OBVIOUSLY, THAT WITH OVER ONE BILLION MEMBERS, 712 00:42:00,267 --> 00:42:04,300 THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WOULD BE THROWN INTO A STATE OF PANIC. 713 00:42:04,333 --> 00:42:07,067 IF PEOPLE REALLY BELIEVED THAT THERE WAS AN IMPENDING EVENT 714 00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:09,867 THAT WAS WORLDWIDE DESTRUCTION, 715 00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:13,733 YOU CAN'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE WOULD REACT TO THAT. 716 00:42:13,767 --> 00:42:19,200 AND IF IT'S AN INEVITABLE EVENT, WHAT CAN YOU REALLY DO ABOUT IT? 717 00:42:23,367 --> 00:42:27,200 DO YOU THINK THERE'S BEEN A COVER-UP 718 00:42:27,233 --> 00:42:29,200 OF THE THIRD SECRET OF FáTIMA? 719 00:42:29,233 --> 00:42:33,100 Fanthorpe: I BELIEVE IN HUMAN FREEDOM. 720 00:42:33,133 --> 00:42:34,833 I DO NOT BELIEVE 721 00:42:34,867 --> 00:42:39,633 THAT THE FUTURE CAN EVER BE ACCURATELY PREDICTED. 722 00:42:39,667 --> 00:42:44,400 AND FAR FROM BEING A PREDICTION OF SOME FUTURE EVENT 723 00:42:44,433 --> 00:42:46,633 WHICH IS INEVITABLE, 724 00:42:46,667 --> 00:42:50,500 IT SHOULD BE REGARDED AS A WARNING. 725 00:42:50,533 --> 00:42:53,733 AND WHATEVER MESSAGE THOSE CHILDREN RECEIVED, 726 00:42:53,767 --> 00:42:57,833 THIS THIRD SECRET IS THE MYSTERIOUS ONE, 727 00:42:57,867 --> 00:43:02,867 WAS NOT TO TELL OF AN INEVITABLE DISASTER, 728 00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:06,233 BUT TO, IN RATHER PICTORIAL WAY, 729 00:43:06,267 --> 00:43:11,133 JUST AS THE FIRST SECRET WAS A VISION OF HELL, 730 00:43:11,167 --> 00:43:12,833 WHICH TERRIFIED THEM DESPERATELY, 731 00:43:12,867 --> 00:43:18,333 THIS WAS MEANT TO CONVEY A FEAR 732 00:43:18,367 --> 00:43:23,867 THAT UNLESS WE ALL STARTED BEHAVING IN A BETTER WAY, 733 00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:25,533 THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. 734 00:43:25,567 --> 00:43:29,167 THIS IS WHAT THE DARK SIDE OF HUMAN NATURE WOULD DO TO US. 735 00:43:33,767 --> 00:43:36,267 Narrator: SO, AT THE END OF HIS INVESTIGATION, 736 00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:39,767 THE KEY QUESTIONS FOR JAMIE REMAIN. 737 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,800 WHAT DID THOSE THREE CHILDREN WITNESS IN FáTIMA 738 00:43:42,833 --> 00:43:45,667 ALMOST A CENTURY AGO? 739 00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:47,933 WHAT WERE THEY TOLD? 740 00:43:47,967 --> 00:43:51,066 AND HAS THERE REALLY BEEN A VATICAN COVER-UP 741 00:43:51,067 --> 00:43:55,267 OF WHAT'S BEEN RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC? 742 00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:59,200 WE MIGHT NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH. 743 00:43:59,233 --> 00:44:03,066 BUT IF THE THIRD SECRET DID GIVE AN ACTUAL DATE 744 00:44:03,067 --> 00:44:06,833 FOR A COMING APOCALYPSE THAT WOULD WIPE OUT HUMANITY, 745 00:44:06,867 --> 00:44:09,800 WHICH WE COULD DO NOTHING ABOUT, 746 00:44:09,833 --> 00:44:14,200 THEN THERE ARE THOSE WHO BELIEVE THAT A STATE OF IGNORANCE 747 00:44:14,233 --> 00:44:20,067 ISN'T SUCH A BAD THING AFTER ALL. 59783

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