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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,560 70 years ago, after six years of bloody fighting, 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,240 Nazi Germany finally surrendered to the Allied forces. 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,160 The people of Britain knew how to celebrate - 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:18,880 with the music of the big band. 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,920 This was the sound that saw us Brits through the Blitz. 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,120 It was the country's darkest hour. 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,680 It was the music that kept our spirits up. 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,880 Blackpool was at the heart of the nation's war effort. 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,800 Bombers were built here, troops were trained here and the beaches 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,280 and the ballrooms offered a respite from the horrors of war. 11 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:57,440 Even Hitler had his eye on the nation's favourite holiday resort. 12 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,000 It's said that Blackpool escaped being bombed by the Luftwaffe 13 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,640 because the Fuhrer planned to turn it into his personal 14 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,560 playground after his proposed invasion. 15 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,720 # Blue skies smiling at me... # 16 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,480 Where Hitler failed, another force had been successful. 17 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,960 It came from America and it was the sound of music. 18 00:01:23,960 --> 00:01:27,080 Hitler thought it was degenerate but we just loved it. 19 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,920 This fantastic invention was the big band. 20 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,360 Britain fell in love with the big band in the 1920s 21 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,400 and that love affair continued into the 1950s and beyond. 22 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,800 - LEN: - In this film, we're going to bring that amazing world of 23 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,840 big band in wartime Blackpool back to life. 24 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,600 Taking over the historic Empress Ballroom, Jools and his 25 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:07,400 orchestra are going to perform some of the greatest hits of the age. 26 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,240 JOOLS: I'll be telling the story of some of the musical greats, 27 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,880 the amazing artists who led the big band phenomenon from here 28 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,120 and across in America. 29 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,640 And Len and Lucy will be looking at how the sound of the big band 30 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:23,560 weaved its way into the fabric of people's lives. 31 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,760 How the music kept in sync with the massive social changes Britain 32 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,440 was experiencing. 33 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,160 And how we dressed to impress 34 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,760 and danced our way through the horrors of war. 35 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,120 Together, we want to show that for all the planes, 36 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,280 guns and battleships of the Second World War, one of Britain's greatest 37 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:47,120 weapons for boosting morale was the epic, brassy sound of the big band. 38 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,480 APPLAUSE 39 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,160 What is a big band, 40 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,000 what are those amazing elements? 41 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,000 What is its configuration? 42 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,960 It is at the centre, there are the drums of Gilson Lavis. 43 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,880 We have the bass of Mr Dave Swift... 44 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,080 When I discovered big band music it was one of the most exciting 45 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,800 things I've ever heard. 46 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,680 We have the sweet organ of Mr Christopher Holland... 47 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,960 ..whooshing and gushing away. 48 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,240 And the groove guitar of Mr Mark Flanagan. 49 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,520 Let's introduce the five saxophones that make this beautiful sound. 50 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,720 We join on top of that the trombones. 51 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,480 We join on top of that the trumpets, three of them. 52 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,600 Oh, yeah! 53 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,920 To be in a room where there's 17 people swinging away, 54 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,840 it's unlike anything. 55 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,800 Singing with a big band behind you is something that you have to 56 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,040 experience to understand it. 57 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,600 - # I hear music in the air - (I hear music in the air...) # 58 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,280 It is like a punch in the face. It's incredible. 59 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,720 APPLAUSE 60 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,240 BIG BAND FINISH 61 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,160 To really tell the story of the big band, 62 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,200 you have to rewind to 20 years before the war. 63 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,520 Just where did big band music begin in Britain? 64 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,800 As the country recovered from the trauma of the First World War 65 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,680 life had never seemed sweeter, at least for the well-off. 66 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,080 Cocktail bars and jazz joints 67 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,000 and nightclubs flourished offering the Bright Young Things every 68 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,640 opportunity to dance the night away to a new kind of music. 69 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,440 It was syncopated. 70 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,480 British big bands came to dominate our popular music, 71 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,760 creating a melodic, exuberant sound influenced by jazz from America. 72 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,440 JAZZ PLAYS 73 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,880 This was a style of music that emerged in the early 1900s 74 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,680 as the traditional songs that had arrived in America with 75 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,920 the African slaves morphed into blues, jazz and Ragtime. 76 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,440 It was the perfect soundtrack to the 1920s. 77 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,640 But to some figures in authority, 78 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,040 this radically new sound was debauched... 79 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,400 HE PLAYS A FEW NOTES 80 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,520 ..even dangerous. 81 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,680 SINISTER FLOURISH 82 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:07,560 MUSIC: The Charleston by James P Johnson 83 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,640 I guess in the '20s, everything was shocking, 84 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,520 so when people were doing the Charleston, there were certain 85 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,680 parts of society that thought that was disgusting and perverted. 86 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,320 So when new music comes along, there's always going to be 87 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,360 an echelon of society that thinks that's not good, that's not right. 88 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,320 The American big bandleaders of the '20s have largely been forgotten, 89 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,920 but the young musicians who 90 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,800 played in their bands, like Duke Ellington, Louis Armstrong 91 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,880 and Count Basie went on to shape the big band and become world icons. 92 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,200 People know those names, 93 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,680 even if they're not familiar with their music. 94 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,960 The earlier ones are now kind of lost more to the general public, 95 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,560 but there's one called Benny Moten, 96 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,400 maybe a lot of people don't know about, but he was pretty fantastic. 97 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,200 Benny Moten's early innovative arrangements came to define 98 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,800 what a big band sounded like. 99 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,960 Benny Moten, for me, is one of the great unsung heroes, 100 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:04,600 because he gave the ammunition that went in the guns, the musical guns. 101 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,680 People like that aren't around now, so he should be in the history 102 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,640 books, right next to all these guys that we're talking about. 103 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,320 He died and Count Basie took over his band 104 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,920 and that's what became the Count Basie Band. 105 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,120 Basie's band was very much thought of as a goodtime band, 106 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,280 it had this relentless kind of...dum-dum-dum-dum chug 107 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,960 to the beat and you hear it and you're on your feet 108 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,160 and smiling, tapping... It was the epitome of happy music. 109 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,680 Count Basie's a person I've studied a lot 110 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,880 because I just really liked a lot of the things about him. 111 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,960 I didn't want to sound like him, but I wanted to learn about what 112 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,280 he was doing and sometimes I do copy what he does, which is very minimal. 113 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,120 You don't realise, doing all of this... 114 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,240 ..isn't necessarily the best thing to do. Sometimes just doing... 115 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,040 And a big gap... And then huge horns doing this in the big gap. It was great. 116 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,760 You realise, you listen to the music 117 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,960 and suddenly you went, "Hey, there's a space here." 118 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,560 Mr Robert's Roost by Count Basie. 119 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,040 The great thing about this is it illustrates better 120 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,720 than any other piece that he did the thing of having the big gaps. 121 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,640 'During rehearsals, Jools convinced me to have a go 122 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,600 'at this one, so from now on, I shall be known as Count Lucy.' 123 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,200 But the heady excitement of the 1920s couldn't last for ever. 124 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,000 There were dark clouds on the horizon. 125 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,400 By the end of the decade, the world would be 126 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,960 in the grip of the worst depression of the century. 127 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,080 What that meant of course was very high unemployment, 128 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,800 and underemployment. 129 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,520 People on very low wages, there was a great deal of poverty 130 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,680 and a great deal of sort of despair. 131 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:35,880 On the other hand, the other side of the coin was, 132 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,480 particularly young people had been through so much 133 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,520 and in many ways had lost four years of their youth, 134 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,440 wanted to enjoy themselves, wanted to have some fun. 135 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,680 In the early part of the '30s, 136 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:52,920 the soundtrack to those good times was boogie-woogie. 137 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,200 At the time, it was often referred to as fast blues, but whatever 138 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,400 you call it, boogie-woogie was the father of rock and roll. 139 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,880 All right, then. I love to have a boogie. 140 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,560 I'm going to play something by one of the people that was a boogie-woogie king 141 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:12,640 and the inventors of boogie. This is written in the 1930s. 142 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,200 By Albert Ammons and Big Joe Turner. 143 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,520 One of the people I really loved was Albert Ammons, and Albert Ammons 144 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,080 and Pete Johnson were two of my favourite pianists. 145 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,760 They were just amazing pianists 146 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,840 and they really invented a lot of stuff and are very much forgotten. 147 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,760 # Blow that horn, boy 148 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,320 # Play on that horn 149 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:06,360 # Blow that horn, boy 150 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:07,880 # Go and play on that 151 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:12,800 # Play that, son, until we drop out... # 152 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,440 In the '30s, the craze for dance halls was gripping the nation 153 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,840 and the music followed the trend. 154 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,760 MUSIC: Stompin' At The Savoy by Benny Goodman 155 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,720 The rhythm that became dominant was the one that everybody wanted 156 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,800 to dance to. 157 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,720 And that rhythm was swing. 158 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,640 Swing music really is all about dancing. 159 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,240 It was music to dance to. 160 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,640 SWING MUSIC PLAYS 161 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,680 One of the kings of swing was this man, the great Duke Ellington. 162 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:56,880 Duke Ellington was very popular in Britain and he led a band 163 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:02,360 of incredible soloists who always sounded cohesive, never competitive. 164 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,520 I mean, Count Basie always said about Duke Ellington 165 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,240 he was the greatest of all time, and I think Duke Ellington, 166 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,800 in many ways, he was such an extraordinary composer. 167 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,640 He worked with a man called Billy Strayhorn that did 168 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,160 the arrangements for him. 169 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,320 With Ellington, you know who it is, instantly. 170 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,040 That's because of his piano style, his composition style 171 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,120 and also the arranging style of a genius like Billy Strayhorn. 172 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,040 Thanks very much, that was Midriff, one of Billy Strayhorn's 173 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:45,320 compositions and now, the Afro-Bossa - it's a kind of a gutbucket bolero. 174 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,360 We start it all around a primitive rhythm, 175 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,400 execute it in a rather pre-primitive manner through the hands. 176 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,520 The hands of Sam Woodyard. 177 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,320 If you read about what Duke Ellington's 178 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,320 views on music in general are, 179 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,400 he's kind of so gentle 180 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,880 and welcoming to all music that he's a great guru, I think. 181 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:13,080 Not only for a big band person, but anybody that's interested in music. 182 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,920 You create something interesting 183 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:26,600 and you find an audience that's sensitive, 184 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,640 then you have accomplished a great deal 185 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,160 and you make a big profit in joy. 186 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,840 SWING MUSIC 187 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,960 One of the most popular swing artists of the 1930s 188 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,760 was clarinettist Benny Goodman. 189 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,360 DANCERS WHOOP 190 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,840 This song, Roll 'Em, was a huge hit written by the extraordinary woman 191 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,640 and big band composer and arranger, Mary Lou Williams. 192 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,840 Of course, that was before rock and roll. 193 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,280 Swing was our rock and roll at that time - 194 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,520 we didn't know what rock and roll was. 195 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,720 Benny Goodman's big band became known as the training ground for many 196 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,240 major names in music, not least Gene Krupa. 197 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,160 His extraordinary drumming was the stuff of legend and made him 198 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,560 a national celebrity. 199 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:37,040 Certain people like Gene Krupa would do the drum solos 200 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,320 and the different big bands had their own great drummers. 201 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:45,000 There would be a spot where they'd do the solo and everybody would stand back, so we do that too. 202 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,360 Because we've got Gilson, and he's the greatest. 203 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,400 BAND JOINS IN AND AUDIENCE WHOOPS 204 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,560 Britain fell in love with the American big band 205 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,760 and then went on to create its own unique sound. 206 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,160 All the American big bands were obviously popular in the UK, 207 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,520 thanks to radio, but there were British dance bands who 208 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,960 were very much copying the American bands 209 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,400 but they did have - by default really because they were 210 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,600 made up of British guys - they did have their own sound. 211 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,960 During the 1930s, most British jazz musicians 212 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,400 made their living in dance bands and this coincided with the public's 213 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:59,120 growing appetite for music both on record and on the radio. 214 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,160 And that concludes the programme of dance music 215 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,520 played to you by the BBC Dance Orchestra, directed by Henry Hall. 216 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,360 Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye! 217 00:17:13,360 --> 00:17:15,160 And here's to the next time. 218 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,280 Of course, not only was the big band performing live, 219 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,360 but there were gramophone records and there were broadcasts 220 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:26,920 and there were outside broadcasts. 221 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,880 I mean, the BBC would send out a team to broadcast performances 222 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,160 either in big ballrooms or in nightclubs. 223 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,000 All these big bandleaders had their own radio slots every week 224 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,480 and that's how audiences got familiar with them and the material. 225 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,360 Once you had the big band, it was a big sound, 226 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:55,240 but then people wanted songs as well and the vocalists came along. 227 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,840 Although they were kind of secondary to the band - it wasn't 228 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,560 like now we have such and such a singer and the band behind them, 229 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,880 you'd have a big band and they'd have a guest vocalist. 230 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,120 One notable British bandleader was Ray Noble, who wrote lyrics 231 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:11,120 and music for some of the best-known songs of the era, 232 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:13,040 notably for Al Bowlly, 233 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,120 a popular jazz crooner. 234 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:17,800 # Goodnight, Sweetheart 235 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,720 # All my dreams are of you 236 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,440 # Goodnight, Sweetheart 237 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,840 # I'll be watching o'er you... # 238 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,840 Britain's ambassador of song, 239 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,760 the Great British Crooner, they called him. 240 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,720 He came from South Africa. 241 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,880 He had a Greek father and a Lebanese mother! 242 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,400 The Great British Crooner! 243 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,720 But he had a unique style. 244 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,560 He was very good-looking and he had... 245 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,840 Croon means to whisper and it is very... 246 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,800 I mean, it comes from the word "to whisper" and it is very seductive. 247 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,000 The whole idea about crooning is it gives the impression it's 248 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,600 being directed at you and only you. 249 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,000 # I see your face in every flower 250 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,520 # Your eyes in stars above 251 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,920 # It's just the thought of you 252 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,960 # The very thought of you, my love... # 253 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,880 It brings back exactly the period. 254 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,600 It was a great voice. 255 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:21,600 # Without a love of my own. # 256 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,080 A new generation of extraordinary singers were beginning to 257 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,440 make their mark. 258 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,000 Vocalists had been a component of the big bands from the beginning, 259 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,440 but they were used sparingly and weren't the stars of the show. 260 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,240 By the '30s, this had all changed with 261 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:45,160 the arrival of some of the 20th century's most legendary singers. 262 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,960 # It don't mean a thing If you ain't got that swing 263 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,120 # Boo-wah, boo-wah, boo-wah, boo-wah, boo-wah, boo-wah, boo-wah, boo-wah 264 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:59,200 # It don't mean a thing All you've got to do is swing 265 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,360 # Boo-wah, boo-wah, boo-wah, boo-wah, boo-wah, boo-wah, boo-wah, boo-wah 266 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:07,480 # It makes no difference if it's sweet or hot... # 267 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,840 Ella Fitzgerald was one of the great stars who became bigger 268 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,320 than the band she was in. 269 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,080 She entered a talent competition at the Apollo Theatre, 270 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,920 she went along actually as a dancer, but she was standing 271 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,000 in the wings ready to go on and got nerves and wouldn't go on and dance. 272 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,240 Someone said, "Look, you've got to do something", 273 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,000 so she went on and sang and the prize was that she got to 274 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,000 sing with the big band that was in situation there. 275 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,560 She eventually joined Chick Webb's band and she was like 16, 17 years old. 276 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,760 Eventually she ended up leading the band when Chick Webb left, 277 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,280 so she became a bandleader really by default. 278 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,720 But she grew up listening to big band musicians and learning about 279 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:46,200 phrases from all those musicians, as so many singers of that period did. 280 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,480 Bammi Rose! 281 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,360 # Pretending is ending 282 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:06,240 # This time it's real 283 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,040 # For ever and ever 284 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,960 # Time will reveal 285 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,160 # Oh, we were lucky, darling, yeah 286 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,400 # When fate turned the wheel 287 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,240 # I know it, I feel it 288 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,960 # This time it's real 289 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,000 # Whoo-oo-oo, it's real, yeah 290 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,200 # Whoo-oo-oo, it's real, yeah 291 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,960 # It's real 292 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,600 # Whoo-oo-oo... # 293 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,600 In Britain's dance halls, 294 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,240 the late '30s were a golden period. 295 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,200 To ordinary people, this seemed like the first proper fun they'd 296 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,640 had after the Great War and the Great Depression. 297 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,440 But it wasn't to last long. 298 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,720 ARCHIVE: It is only after many vain attempts to remain at peace... 299 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,600 ..that we have been at last forced to go to war. 300 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,200 When war broke out on 3rd September 1939, 301 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,080 all places of public amusement were compulsorily closed, 302 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,560 but the entertainment blackout didn't last long. 303 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,240 The government reversed its decision when they realised that cinemas 304 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:31,080 and theatres and ballrooms were essential for raising morale. 305 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,600 When the nation's dance halls reopened, 306 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,200 it was the sound of the big band that lured in the crowds. 307 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,480 MUSIC: In The Mood by Glenn Miller and the Dorsey Brothers 308 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,040 Soon after war was declared, Blackpool swung into action, 309 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,680 training troops by day and entertaining them at night. 310 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,320 For a while, so many London-based musicians moved to Blackpool 311 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,840 that there was even an accommodation crisis! 312 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,520 The journey north was made doubly attractive by the opportunity 313 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,560 of regular work without the terror of the bombs 314 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,080 that were falling in London. 315 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,320 The town changed with the war. 316 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,960 There was a huge flood of young men coming into Blackpool 317 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,080 because it was the RAF's largest recruitment and training area. 318 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,120 In the ballrooms, the occasional big band member could be seen 319 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:25,000 performing in his service uniform. 320 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,200 Blackpool played a considerable part in the war efforts. 321 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,720 There was munitions work, aircraft construction, 322 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,600 three quarters of a million RAF trainees had their initial 323 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,960 training in Blackpool through the war. 324 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,960 It was a logical place to be. 325 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,480 Lots and lots of wide-open spaces, 326 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,480 lots and lots of large indoor spaces, 327 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,400 and lots and lots of accommodation in town. 328 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,880 That made a huge difference, because at any time, there might be 329 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,640 tens of thousands of people in town undergoing training, all of 330 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,760 whom wanted to go out in Blackpool at night and enjoy themselves. 331 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,240 Going to the cinema, going to the theatre, 332 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,160 going to Blackpool's fantastic ballrooms. 333 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,080 Blackpool provided a haven from the war. 334 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,480 Some of the big names in Britain's big band scenes 335 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,720 stayed in London, despite the bombing. 336 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,960 Bandleader Ken "Snakehips" Johnson 337 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,800 died dramatically 338 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,320 while performing during the Blitz right here... 339 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,080 in the Cafe de Paris. 340 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,760 But even among the death and destruction here, 341 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,920 one survivor retained his sense of humour - after being 342 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,200 pulled from the rubble and carried out on a stretcher, 343 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,000 shouted to the crowd, "At least I didn't have to pay for my dinner!" 344 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,760 Ken "Snakehips" Johnson! 345 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,440 Not a bad name, is it?! 346 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,920 He had a good band - all-West Indian band, it was. 347 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,760 He was really a dancer. 348 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,480 He was just gyrating his hips 349 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,560 in a slithery kind of, 350 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,600 amazing way that not a lot of people could... 351 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,560 could, um...emulate. 352 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,120 He was very lithe and I suppose, in a sense, he was the Elvis Presley 353 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:22,600 of his day, and that's how he got his nickname, "Snakehips" Johnson. 354 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,440 He was performing at the Cafe de Paris... 355 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:35,000 MUSIC: It Was A Lover And His Lass by Ken "Snakehips" Johnson and His West Indian Orchestra 356 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,360 It was supposed to be the safest place in London as a nightclub, 357 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,360 because it was very deep underground, but of course 358 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:44,840 a bomb hit it and very few places 359 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,960 are safe from a direct hit. 360 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,400 In fact, the bomb went straight through the floor 361 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,320 and into the restaurant 362 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,800 and "Snakehips" Johnson was killed, 363 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,680 which broke a lot of hearts. 364 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,320 In the confusion of war for a while, 365 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,640 it was thought that number one crooner Al Bowlly had died 366 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,520 in the same bomb attack as dear old "Snakehips" Johnson. 367 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,520 Well, everybody THOUGHT that, 368 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,840 and the reason they thought that was because in amongst all 369 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,440 the wreckage, they found his band parts in a little folder... 370 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,680 "Al Bowlly." 371 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,960 All burnt round the edges and everything. 372 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,280 They said, "Well, he must have been there, you see." 373 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,400 But he wasn't there, he wasn't there that particular night. 374 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,080 But, as it turned out, Al Bowlly's lucky escape was only temporary. 375 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,280 He met his end just a few weeks later in another air raid. 376 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,920 Well, he went to bed one night because his girlfriend said 377 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,400 "You must go to the shelter," which he never would. 378 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,200 He thought he was so lucky... to have escaped the Cafe de Paris, 379 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,720 well, he thought, "That's it, I'm fine now. 380 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,040 "I've missed my air raid, so that's it," and sadly, it wasn't. 381 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,640 They found him sitting up in bed with a cowboy book in his hand, 382 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,400 which he was reading and the blast had killed him. 383 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,440 People always say everything happened to Bowlly 384 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,280 at just the wrong time. 385 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:16,000 He just snuffed it when the star of all those sort of band shows 386 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,080 was going to be the singer. 387 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,440 And he never quite did that, 388 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,920 he just snuffed it before he should have done. 389 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,760 Wartime in Britain, and particularly London, 390 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,240 was of course a harrowing time for most people. 391 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,240 For some children, though, the constant calls of the air raid 392 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,600 shelters became a nightly game of dare. 393 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,600 My sister and I were living just outside London, 394 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,680 and we used to see the German bombers going over 395 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,400 every night, 396 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:54,480 we could set our clocks, they were very, very precise in their timing. 397 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,120 And we used to watch all the dogfights going on, er... 398 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,400 It was, I suppose, a strange life, 399 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,760 but we found it absolutely normal, 400 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,560 because that's the way it was, you know? 401 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,160 We didn't ask any questions, 402 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,600 we didn't quite know what war was all about. 403 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,440 But it ruled our lives, 404 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,040 that's very true, yes. 405 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,640 Air raid sirens, you know, 406 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,480 jumping into the air raid shelter. 407 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,720 Especially with the V1s 408 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,320 and...our timing was very good, 409 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,880 we'd know exactly when to jump. It became a game of chicken, you know - 410 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,320 the engine would cut out 411 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,200 and you'd got a few seconds to get to the shelter. 412 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,120 It became a game. 413 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,840 So that was... our experience of the war. 414 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,440 In London, the BBC would broadcast messages to the troops overseas 415 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,840 from family members, often from children. 416 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,160 But for one little girl, 417 00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:00,320 that one radio appearance would be the start of a lifelong career. 418 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,000 This show was done from the Criterion Theatre, which is 419 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,160 an actually underground theatre in Piccadilly. 420 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,960 During the war, the BBC used to use this theatre as a studio, because 421 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,400 it was full of sandbags, it was like being in an air raid shelter. 422 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,360 We went along to do this, 423 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,480 I was going to send my message to my uncle, Dudley, 424 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,680 and during rehearsal, there was the most enormous air raid 425 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,520 and a lot of the kids who'd come from the country were a bit nervous and I 426 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,320 was sort of used to it - London kid - 427 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,800 and somebody said would you like... 428 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,200 "Would somebody like to come up and sing a song, 429 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,080 "say a piece of poetry, just to calm things down?" 430 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,960 Nobody volunteered, so I said, "I will." 431 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,680 So I went up on the stage and they put 432 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,720 a box in front of the microphone, 433 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,240 so I could reach it 434 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,680 and I sang. 435 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,920 And, er...they had it in the control room 436 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,120 and said, "Yes, that's a good voice for radio, 437 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,320 "would you like to sing your song as well as your message?" 438 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,480 I was like, "Yes!" Of course, there was a band there, too! 439 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,160 Just like in the movies, they all joined in with my song, 440 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,880 which was Mighty Like A Rose. 441 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,920 # Don't know what call him 442 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,840 # But he's mighty like a rose 443 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,000 # Looking at his mammy 444 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:26,520 # With eyes so shiny blue... # 445 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,560 And there was a huge reaction from the troops to that 446 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,440 and that was really the beginning of my big career as a child performer. 447 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,720 I was about eight. 448 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,600 Petula would entertain the troops both on the radio 449 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,040 and live at military bases throughout the UK. 450 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,320 She was so popular that she became something of a mascot 451 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,240 for the British Tommies. 452 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,760 - ARCHIVE: - When the postman brought little Petula Clark 453 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,640 a pile of letters after her first broadcast, she was surprised. 454 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,480 She's used to it now, because she's become a regular star 455 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,960 with a regular fan mail. 456 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,920 MUSIC: GI Jive by Glenn Miller 457 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,000 The war created a huge demand for music to entertain the troops 458 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,640 and boosted the appeal of military bands. 459 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,560 ARCHIVE: No.1 Balloon Centre RAF turn on a dance at their camp. 460 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,760 Audience and orchestra is 100% Air Force. 461 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,240 The bandleader is Corporal George Beaumont, 462 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,400 once well known to London's Prince of Wales Theatre-goers. 463 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,480 The Squadronaires were the RAF band and, my God, they were good. 464 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:51,320 MUSIC: High Society by the Squadronaires 465 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,200 They got them all together, formed a band 466 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,040 and they said, "You're going over to France to entertain our boys 467 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,240 "doing the fighting over there," so they all got together 468 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,440 and they did their basic training as ordinary airmen. 469 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,600 While they were doing that, France fell, 470 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,640 so they had to stay in England, which they spent their time 471 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,560 rehearsing and getting the band right, and everything, 472 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,080 and they turned out possibly 473 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,120 the best band that ever came out of the war. 474 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,920 ARCHIVE: Another picture that speaks louder than words 475 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,120 of Anglo-American solidarity. 476 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,760 The arrival in Northern Ireland of the first contingent 477 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,800 of the United States Army to stations in the United Kingdom. 478 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,280 The war had been raging for more than two years before Pearl Harbor 479 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:47,440 pulled America into the action and boatloads of GIs to Britain. 480 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,800 There were suddenly a few hundred thousand more troops 481 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,080 to keep entertained 482 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,920 and some American big band stars came over to help. 483 00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,920 In 1942, Glenn Miller was at the peak of his career as one 484 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,080 of America's favourite bandleaders. 485 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,880 At 38, he was too old to enlist, 486 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,000 but he was still determined to 487 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,160 use his music to boost wartime morale. 488 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,360 After pulling some strings, he won a commission, 489 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,120 formed a Forces band and became a superstar 490 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,480 of US Army entertainment. 491 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,120 He was a very patriotic man and he wanted 492 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,360 so much to come over 493 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,000 and help out by boosting people's morale. 494 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,120 He transferred to London in 1944 495 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,080 to be closer to the fighting, 496 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,080 but the city was a dangerous place. 497 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,720 When Glenn saw the conditions and the bombs falling, 498 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,120 and so on, he said, "I want my guys out of here." 499 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,360 They said, "Yeah, yeah, fine - we'll..." 500 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,800 "No, no - I mean NOW." 501 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,160 So he pulled a bunch of strings - next morning, trucks were there, 502 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,360 they loaded 'em up, off to Bedford, 503 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,440 where he spent the rest of the war billeted up there 504 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,480 and that night, 505 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,960 Sloane Square was hit by a bomb 506 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,880 and it killed like, 70 people, I think, 507 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,040 and took the corner off the building. 508 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,840 That was where the band was staying. 509 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,080 So he got them out just in time. 510 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,920 The band started touring military bases, performing 511 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:29,040 around 800 concerts to over a million service personnel. 512 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,480 ARCHIVE: For the second time in a generation, the youth of America is 513 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,240 marching off to war, but this time to new and livelier rhythms - 514 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:40,280 a new style of bandsman like Captain Glenn Miller. 515 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,520 This is the wartime tempo of a fighting but light-hearted nation. 516 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,720 Glenn Miller even performed at a training camp 517 00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:54,440 just outside Blackpool. 518 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:59,040 MUSIC: Flying Home by Glenn Miller and The Army Air Forces Training Command Band 519 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,240 It was General Hap Arnold, I think, that said, 520 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:08,840 "Glenn, your music... 521 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,200 "..is next best thing to a letter from home." 522 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,400 MUSIC: Chatanooga Choo Choo by Glenn Miller 523 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,920 The first-ever gold record, 524 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,640 which was some PR guy's idea - 525 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,640 "You sold a million records, 526 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,880 "of Chattanooga Choo Choo - 527 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,560 "we'll publicise this by having a gold record made." 528 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,880 So that's where the gold record started, it was the first one ever. 529 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:51,840 I loved Glenn Miller. 530 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,520 It was so musical - 531 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,280 it was swing, 532 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,720 but it was also romantic 533 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:02,440 and the way he wrote for the woodwinds... 534 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,120 MUSIC: Moonlight Serenade by Glenn Miller 535 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,680 That immediately brings back memories of that time. 536 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,280 MUSIC: Tuxedo Junction by Glenn Miller 537 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,960 Tuxedo Junction, a lot of people will know by Glenn Miller, 538 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,080 but, originally, 539 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,760 it was done by Erskine Hawkins. 540 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,240 MUSIC: Tuxedo Junction by Erskine Hawkins 541 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,760 And he just did this great version. 542 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,080 I bought a 10-inch record and put it on and just started 543 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,000 playing along to it and realised it was kind of really bluesy. 544 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,080 I hadn't realised that before, what a blues thing it was. 545 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,960 During World War II, female musicians were given new opportunities 546 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,120 when the men were called up to fight. 547 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,200 Ivy Benson and her All Girl Orchestra topped the bill around the country. 548 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,120 All of them were girls. 549 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,840 She did say at one time, she said, 550 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:28,080 "Ivy, I do get some rather doubtful men coming dressed as women! 551 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,720 "But I won't have them." I said well, if she gave them a medical... 552 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:33,400 I don't know! 553 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,120 But she wanted to prove, Ivy - 554 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,480 cos she was a damn good musician herself - 555 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,400 she wanted to prove that girls could play as good as blokes 556 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,960 and I think they did during the war. 557 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,320 Well, it didn't matter about quality in those days. 558 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,880 But, to me, it mattered and I think that was my incentive, 559 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,080 to try and break out on my own. 560 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,560 I wanted it to be... 561 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,480 ..equal to a male band. I wanted it to sound the same. 562 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,440 Yes, it was very much a man's world, 563 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,040 but Ivy Benson did well and... 564 00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:29,720 ..and compared very well with the other bands, she was good. 565 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:31,800 Ivy's signature tune was... 566 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,640 They all seemed to have signature tunes, in those days, 567 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,520 and hers was Lady Be Good. 568 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,040 She said, "That was advice to the girls in my band, 569 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,800 "as much as anything else!" 570 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,000 # Sweet and lovely, lady be good 571 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,360 # Oh, lady be good to me... # 572 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,960 We used to play a lot of the American bases, you know, 573 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,520 she said, "And I always worried about whenever we played 574 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,720 "an American base, I always lost at least two musicians!" 575 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:03,920 These GIs used to sweet-talk them 576 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,400 and they thought, "I think I'll go to America, 577 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,720 "much easier than being in the back of a bus with Ivy and the girls." 578 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,440 The other great woman that we are sort of focusing on, 579 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,720 or the music of, is Sister Rosetta Tharpe. 580 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:23,920 # Didn't it rain 581 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,000 # Children 582 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960 # Rain, oh, yes 583 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,840 # Didn't it, yes, didn't it, you know it did 584 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,320 # Didn't it Oh-oh, yes, how it rained... # 585 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,040 What's great about her is that she had a foot in several musical camps. 586 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,000 She was gospel, blues, rhythm and blues and when you chuck all those 587 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,880 things together, you end up with someone who has their own voice. 588 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,400 This music, if you didn't put labels on it, I thought 589 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,800 it was just rock and roll, because it was so exciting. 590 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,800 - # I said four or five times - Four or five times 591 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,800 - # Oh, four or five times - Four or five times 592 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,240 # How he's my king, he makes me sing four or five times... # 593 00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,640 There's a period where she works with the Lucky Millinder big band. 594 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,280 # Look down, look down 595 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,440 # That lonesome road 596 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,320 # Before you travel on... # 597 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,840 Lucky Millinder, his intention was to lift people up, 598 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,760 because I think people had had a hard time. 599 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,680 They'd roll into town on their bus, people'd come into the dance hall 600 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,200 and they'd need something to go, bosh! Let's lift up! Whoa! 601 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,640 "We're alive," you know. 602 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,520 # Look down that lonesome road 603 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,680 # Before you travel on. # 604 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,600 She was on stage one night, singing, and there was a guy in the audience 605 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,840 who was the programme seller, 606 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,520 selling programmes, beer, peanuts... 607 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,240 He started singing along with her and she was 608 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,080 so impressed with this programme seller she said, "Come on stage 609 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,120 "and sing with me," and that programme seller was Little Richard. 610 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,480 Let's do that again! 611 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,640 She not only influenced Little Richard, but her amazing 612 00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,800 guitar playing was to inspire Johnny Cash, Jimi Hendrix and many others. 613 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,440 Johnny Cash, he used to hear Sister Rosetta Tharpe on the radio when he was growing up. 614 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,080 We had a 78 in my house of Sister Rosetta Tharpe - I thought it was her playing the piano. 615 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,680 It wasn't, it was her playing the guitar, I didn't know that. 616 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,560 I later learned it was Sammy Price on the piano, 617 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:20,160 but it was my mum's treasured 1940 78 of Sister Rosetta Tharpe that 618 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,560 inspired me to want to play Up Above My Head. 619 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,000 - # Up above my head - Up above my head 620 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,800 - # I hear music in the air - I hear music in the air 621 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,560 - # Up above my head - Up above my head 622 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,680 - # Oh, I hear music in the air - I hear music in the air 623 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,520 - # Up above my head - Up above my head 624 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,440 - # Oh, I hear music in the air - Whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh, oh-oh 625 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,960 # Hey, I really do believe that there is a heaven somewhere 626 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,080 - # Up above my head - Up above my head 627 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,400 - # Oh, I hear trumpet in the air - I hear trumpet in the air 628 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,040 - # Up above my head - Up above my head 629 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,080 - # Oh, I hear trumpet in the air - I hear trumpet in the air 630 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,360 - # Up above my head - Up above my head 631 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,960 - # Oh, I hear trumpet in the air - Ooh-ooh-ooh, whoa 632 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,280 # I really do believe it 633 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,480 - # There is a heaven somewhere - There is a heaven somewhere... # 634 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,960 But it wasn't just on stage that women were now doing jobs that had 635 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,320 once been for the boys. 636 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,560 Millions joined up to do things, 637 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,400 from working the land, to building tanks. 638 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,280 They came from all over the country to Blackpool to join 639 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,760 the Women's Auxiliary Air Force, 640 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,760 an elite group of female pilots 641 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,640 even took to the skies, to deliver planes - 642 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,280 Spitfires like this one - from the factories to RAF bases. 643 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,440 The people who looked after the planes gave them nicknames 644 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,640 and I particularly approve of this one because it was called Lucy. 645 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,120 # Straighten up and fly right 646 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,280 # Straighten up and fly right 647 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,880 # Straighten up and fly right 648 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,280 # Cool down, Papa Don't you blow your top... # 649 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,160 The effect of the Second World War on women 650 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,680 depended I think very much on your age and your situation. 651 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,760 If you were a mother and a housewife, if you had children 652 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,080 under 14, you weren't required 653 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,640 to do anything for the war effort. 654 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,000 Younger women, I think, a lot of them 655 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,320 had quite a lot of fun in the war because a lot of them who had 656 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,840 been expected to live at home 657 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,680 until they married were able to leave home either to 658 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,600 go into the Forces or to go onto the land, the Women's Land Army, 659 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,600 or to go into war production factories 660 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,560 and they'd often live in hostels. 661 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,120 You know, then they'd meet RAF cadets 662 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,400 and they'd meet soldiers and it was a liberating time. 663 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,320 They earned some money 664 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,640 and they just had a much freer life than they'd had before the war. 665 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,160 When their work was done, women rushed to the dance hall. 666 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,320 It was an evening's haven from the horrors of war. 667 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,240 The old-time dances that topped the bill - the waltz, the tango, 668 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:09,840 the foxtrot - were nostalgic reminders of a prewar age. 669 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,080 But they were adapted now to the huge 670 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,560 and irresistible sound of the big band. 671 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,080 MUSIC: Get Happy by Harold Arlen 672 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,360 People wanted to be together. 673 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,480 They wanted to dance, they wanted to move about. 674 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,960 Anything to take their mind off the war, 675 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,600 and the big bands came in with those marvellous sounds and everything. 676 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,800 They came in and they did the same job as the old music halls did. 677 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,000 But the difference was, things had advanced to a certain degree 678 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,000 because boys and girls wanted to touch each other! 679 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,400 They wanted to dance together! 680 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,360 Not sit in rows and that just singing Daisy Daisy, 681 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,040 they wanted to be part of the show, very much so. 682 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,440 SLOW TUNE PLAYS 683 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,400 The atmosphere of the halls was highly charged, 684 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,120 highly charged sexual feeling. 685 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,120 You looked around and you looked for a partner, 686 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,560 someone to dance with and hopefully maybe something a bit more as well! 687 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,360 It was like a mating place, really. 688 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:22,360 MUSIC: I Only Have Eyes For You by Geraldo 689 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,800 You wanted to pick out a good girl or boy, you know, and that was it. 690 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,680 That was the atmosphere, and when the band started that terrific music 691 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,960 and you danced together, 692 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,720 it was a magic time. 693 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,360 It became a ritual for girls to stand in a usual spot 694 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,920 so that the men they danced with the previous night 695 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,360 could find them again, if they'd had a good time. 696 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,800 So Fred, what was it like to come into this ballroom in the '40s? 697 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,000 What would you see, what would you hear? 698 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,960 I couldn't leave it alone, I had to get every chance I could. 699 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,720 - And you won prizes, did you? - No, no. 700 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:12,240 - I think I won a torch, once. - A torch? 701 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,160 Well, that's a prize! 702 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,560 Had a bit of a dance and I really, really enjoyed it. 703 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,760 Now, I was told that you met your wife at a ballroom dance. 704 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,840 - I met in the Tower. - In the Tower, you met her HERE? In this room? - Yes! 705 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,400 Over there, one of those pillars. 706 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:28,640 By that pillar?! 707 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,640 - By that pillar over there. - You met your wife-to-be? - Yes! 708 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,480 So your first words to your future wife were, "Will you dance with me?" 709 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,280 "Can I have this dance, please?" 710 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,440 And she said yes, but I'd weighed her up well before that! 711 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,080 I knew she could dance! 712 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,520 I wasn't getting on that floor if she couldn't dance! 713 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,080 - It's too romantic! - It really was wonderful. I'll never forget it. 714 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,040 But not everybody was in love with the dance floor. 715 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,920 One angry lady even wrote in to the Evening Gazette 716 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,280 complaining that the atmosphere in Blackpool was 717 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,080 rather like that of a huge party 718 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,120 instead of a country at war. 719 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,920 She does have a point. 720 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,760 If you flick through the Evening Gazette, there's a story about a boy 721 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,680 missing in action, then on the next page, 722 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,840 what's on at the dance hall. 723 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,520 MUSIC: Crazy Rhythm by Victor Silvester 724 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:27,680 Music and dance were a crucial part of everyday life for so many people. 725 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,920 When they feared a night at the dance hall could be their last, 726 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,760 it's no surprise that they partied hard. 727 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:39,000 A serviceman on a 48-hour pass would make the most of every minute. 728 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,400 MUSIC CONTINUES 729 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:51,480 Dropping of bombs did not stop people going out to dance, 730 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,120 and I think when they lost themselves 731 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,000 in the music and the dancing - 732 00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,200 and that's what you do, you actually live like there's no tomorrow - 733 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,000 that's what it was during the war. 734 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,440 I mean, the war, apart from being a dangerous time, 735 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,320 was also a gloomy time. You had the blackout, you had rationing. 736 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,680 You know, you needed some sort of distractions. 737 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,440 The blackout didn't help, 738 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,400 because of course a lot of dances were held in the evening, 739 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,960 so you got more afternoon and early evening dances 740 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,720 because of that. 741 00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:28,800 - ARCHIVE: - The latest dance is the Blackout Stroll, and here it is 742 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,440 demonstrated by experts before the rank and file take it up. 743 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,400 In a minute, you'll see the point. 744 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,120 MUSIC PLAYS 745 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:48,400 The main idea is to change partners during the blackout. 746 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,120 Practically anything might happen! 747 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,840 Blimey, my wife! Oh! 748 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:58,360 MUSIC: Lambeth Walk by Eddie Cantor 749 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,400 Also included in a night's entertainment would be 750 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,240 sequence dances, such as the Palais Glide, the Blackout Stroll, 751 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:07,760 Lambeth Walk, and believe it or not, 752 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,040 Under The Spreading Chestnut Tree. 753 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,600 It appears these dances were included in an evening's programme 754 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,320 to allow the shy or those with two left feet 755 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,880 to get a grip with the opposite sex. 756 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,880 It put me off, even though I was quite young, 757 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,120 because I was very shy - it put a lot of shy guys off. 758 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,960 They thought, "Oh, dear, what do I do - 759 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,960 "what if no-one wants to dance with me? It's all going to be terrible." 760 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,320 Just like girls, they didn't want to be wallflowers. 761 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,000 # Underneath the spreading chestnut tree 762 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,480 # I loved him and he loved me 763 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,120 # There I used to sit upon his knee 764 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,560 # 'Neath the spreading chestnut tree 765 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:55,560 # I said, "I love you and there ain't no ifs or buts" 766 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,880 # He said "I love you" 767 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,120 - # And the blacksmiths shouted - # "Chestnuts!" # 768 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,760 King George VI was very good at that at Scout camps. He'd sing that 769 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,680 and when it came to "nut", he'd obligingly tap his head, so... 770 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,320 # Oh, how happy I should be Under... # 771 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,320 ARCHIVE: The Queen and Princess Margaret 772 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,960 watching the King out of one eye 773 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,440 and the singing director out of the other win our sympathy 774 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,360 by getting some of the actions wrong! 775 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,160 With the campers, we hope that they'll put in some practice 776 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,080 at Balmoral and come again next year! 777 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,840 # Oh, how happy I should be 778 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,480 # Under... # 779 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,720 - How was that? - Fine(!) 780 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:49,960 # Underneath the spreading chestnut tree, I loved him and he loved me 781 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,840 # There I used to sit upon his knee 782 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,400 # 'Neath the spreading chestnut tree 783 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,760 # There beneath the boughs we used to meet 784 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,440 # Oh, his kisses were so sweet 785 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,120 # All the little birdies went tweet, tweet 786 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,200 # 'Neath the spreading chestnut tree. # 787 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,160 ARCHIVE: New dances in the tradition of the Lambeth Walk continue 788 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,440 to reach the ballroom. The latest is an animated accompaniment 789 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,600 to the Siegfried Line song. 790 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,320 Washing hangs out on the line, as the steel-helmeted dancers step it out. 791 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,160 Dancing was so important to the morale of the nation that 792 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:32,840 the BBC began broadcasting lessons on the radio, called Dancing Club. 793 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,280 RADIO: It's time for 40 minutes with the BBC Dancing Club. 794 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,320 Britain's most popular bandleader, Victor Silvester, encouraged 795 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,920 thousands of beginners to take to the floor, slowly dictating 796 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,640 the steps followed by a helpful pause 797 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,280 so listeners could write them down. 798 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,840 Hello there, everyone. 799 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,360 We give you another hearty welcome to our Dancing Club. 800 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,800 This evening, I'm going to begin 801 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,920 by telling you how to do the natural turn in the waltz. 802 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,080 Write these steps down as I call them out. 803 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,040 Start with the feet together... 804 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,920 then, this is what you have to do. 805 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,160 One... 806 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,320 Forward right foot. 807 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,200 And of course things like Melody Maker, 808 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,520 which had been started at the end of the 1920s, 809 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,360 and even the Radio Times, did elaborate sort of diagrams 810 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:33,560 showing people how to dance, so they could listen to the wireless and 811 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:38,120 do these steps and then they could take them on to the ballroom floor. 812 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:44,040 RADIO: You'll find a diagram of this figure on page 19 of the Radio Times. 813 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,160 Woody Herman's Woodchopper's Ball 814 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,880 was one of the biggest 1940s dance hall hits. 815 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,600 Woody Herman, who was one of the great jazz 816 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,680 clarinettists as well as a big bandleader - 817 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,360 what I love about his bands, 818 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,960 you know, a band like Count Basie or 819 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,400 Duke Ellington would play popular hits of the day. 820 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,280 Woody Herman's band, they were a bit more variety, there was 821 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,120 loads of blues in there, so the early Woody Herman bands, 822 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,320 for my money, are some of the greatest blues bands of all time. 823 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:31,200 This is a piece by Woody Herman entitled the Casbah Blues. 824 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,440 Woody Herman led a very popular big band, 825 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,760 and one of the pieces he did was kind of... 826 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,880 It all goes weird and everything goes like this 827 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,840 and it's quite good - you need the dynamics. 828 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,680 In fact that's the whole point of a big band - 829 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,160 you need the dynamics and different flavours and colours 830 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,960 and I think that Casbah Blues is the best example of something like that. 831 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,960 Britain might have been in the grip of severe rationing... 832 00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:02,520 But when it came to nights out at the dance hall, the women 833 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,400 of Britain prided themselves on keeping up appearances. 834 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,640 For the menfolk, it was easy, as a... (ahem) 835 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,920 ..uniform made them all look like David Niven. 836 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:18,200 # You're as pretty as a picture 837 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,560 # Has anyone ever told you before? # 838 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,720 Clothes and beauty as well were very important, 839 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:29,440 they kind of took on a heightened air of importance, really, 840 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,800 during the war, 841 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,600 as it was seen to keep women's morale high 842 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,440 and also keep men's morale high as well. 843 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,520 If they were returning to the home front, or if they were still working 844 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,240 on the home front, then it was seen as something of national importance. 845 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,640 Women had to make do obviously with what they had, 846 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,000 but I mean, I'm sure young girls were very inventive. 847 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,520 I mean, they had some clothes of course from before the war, 848 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,160 but they would like nice things, things like ribbons. 849 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,720 People were trying to jazz up their clothes. 850 00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:00,800 Why not get together with your friends, 851 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,520 and form a make do and mend group? 852 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,000 ARCHIVE: With a little ingenuity and a large pair of scissors, you can 853 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,680 turn hubby's hat into a hat for his sweet little wife. 854 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,560 # You're as pretty as a picture 855 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,320 # A beautiful exhibition of art 856 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,360 # When I say you fairly take my breath away 857 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,840 # Just picture what you have done to my heart. # 858 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,840 Women had to make the most of their utility dresses, 859 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,080 bought with saved up coupons. 860 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,840 But some essentials were missing, particularly silk stockings. 861 00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,840 All the silk had gone off to be made into parachutes, 862 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,680 so the more adventurous would stain their legs brown with tea, 863 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:50,760 and for the seam up the back they'd use a device like this - yes, 864 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:55,280 it IS a screwdriver, a bicycle clip and an eyebrow pencil. 865 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,360 To recreate the appearance of stockings, 866 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:03,880 women were known to dye their legs with tea, or maybe with gravy - 867 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,520 I mean, it's not that different from fake tanning today, 868 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,200 really, when you think about it. 869 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,520 And also of course, drawing a line up the back of your leg with 870 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,520 sort of eyeliner pencil, which must have actually been very, 871 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,120 very difficult to do, to keep it straight. 872 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,800 It really must have been difficult, I think! 873 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,440 Well, let's put the device to the test. 874 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,800 Well, that's reasonably straight, isn't it? 875 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:45,280 Cosmetics were in very short supply, so you did what you could, 876 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,320 you melted your lipstick down. 877 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:48,840 If you couldn't afford lipstick, 878 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,840 because it had a very high tax put on it, 879 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,520 then you could use beetroot juice to stain your lips, or you could use, 880 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,240 you were encouraged to use, boot polish for mascara. 881 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,960 Clothes rationing, it was difficult, and of course if you needed 882 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,720 working clothes, you couldn't spend your coupons on frivolities. 883 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:12,320 But I'm sure that they made their best to look pretty. 884 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,320 Another big change that happened during the war was that 885 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,880 trousers on women became much more prevalent, more popular. 886 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,960 Fashion magazines initially really didn't like this - 887 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,880 they talked about slackers in slacks, 888 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,520 saw it as very unfeminine means of dress, but really 889 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,720 by the sort of second or third year of the war 890 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,320 there'd been a sort of turnaround, a real shift, 891 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,800 and people were encouraging this as a way of women dressing. 892 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,160 When America entered the war at the end of 1941, 893 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,960 the nation's dance floors were invaded by an army of GIs. 894 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,480 They had two advantages over their British rivals - 895 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,600 they were better paid, and they were better dressed. 896 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,160 They also had a couple of secret weapons to sweep 897 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:03,680 a girl off her feet - 898 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,040 they were chocolates, and nylons! 899 01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,880 CHEERING 900 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,680 Naturally we were grateful for America's, shall we say, 901 01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,400 rather last-minute assistance in preventing 902 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,720 the end of the Free World. However, 903 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,520 there were some resentments caused by these swashbuckling heroes with 904 01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:26,360 their chewing gum and casual manners copping off with our womenfolk. 905 01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,400 It was said they were "overpaid, oversexed and over here". 906 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,880 They said we were "underpaid, undersexed and under Eisenhower". 907 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,120 We shared many jokes like this, and became great friends. 908 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,320 Derek, did you have a special dancing partner? 909 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,000 There were the twins, Madeleine and Mary. 910 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,720 You had a pair of twins? 911 01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,280 They were twins, yes. 912 01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,640 After about 12 months one of them said to me, 913 01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,600 "This is the last time we're going out with you, Derek." 914 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,440 So I said, "Why, what's wrong?" 915 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,040 She said, "Well, we've met two Americans 916 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,480 "and we're going out with those instead." 917 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,840 So that was the end of a lovely friendship, after 12 months! 918 01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,120 What was the attraction of these dastardly Americans? 919 01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,880 Well, they had a lot more money, and they could get the girls 920 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:18,320 nylon stockings, which were very important during the war. 921 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,240 Let me tell you, Derek, if they left you for a pair of stockings, 922 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,600 they were just shallow. 923 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,280 - They got fed up with me after 12 months! - Aw! 924 01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:31,280 American GIs I think were very attractive to Englishwoman, partly 925 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,800 because they had money, and were generous and would splash it around. 926 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,800 A lot of them were very young. 927 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:41,440 And they used to slip the odd pair of nylons, all those gags, 928 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,480 you know, to the girls and say this and that. 929 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,200 They got away with murder and what would we offer them? 930 01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:48,880 Spam! 931 01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,440 That's about it! 932 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:55,880 Also, because the Army authorities in the States knew that 933 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,240 basically the American public were not happy with their men 934 01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:03,240 being over here, so the American troops had a lot of facilities 935 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,120 over here to keep them happy. 936 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,320 Dances were put on at their base, 937 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:11,840 and British girls were vetted usually, and shipped in by bus - 938 01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,480 well, you didn't want unsuitable types. 939 01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,520 Well, the Americans soon became very popular figures 940 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,760 in the ballrooms of Blackpool. 941 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,720 They soon became magnets for the English girls. 942 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:30,640 Not always to the pleasure of local lads, and particularly after 943 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,600 one or two letters appeared in the local newspaper, 944 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,880 thanking local ladies for being kind enough to receive them 945 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,560 and dance with them. And when these newspapers were posted to 946 01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:45,000 British servicemen abroad, they weren't always too impressed. 947 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,480 The Germans tried to stir up trouble between the allies by dropping 948 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,240 propaganda leaflets down onto the British Army in Italy. 949 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:02,760 These leaflets showed a topless British girl embracing a GI, 950 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,560 and she was saying, "Oh, you Americans are so different!" 951 01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,880 The Americans had great uniforms. 952 01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,520 Gabardine, their uniforms were made of. 953 01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,520 People generally thought that the American GIs uniforms were 954 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,320 a lot smarter, a bit flashier than the British counterparts, 955 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,800 so they really were seen as 956 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,440 the sort of epitome of the war hero at this time. 957 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:36,800 The Americans looked so modern and so smart when they came over, but if you 958 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,680 compare a British Tommy in his khaki and an American, 959 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:44,040 one looks the future and the other one looks... 960 01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,840 You know - muddy. 961 01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,320 Along with their exotic luxuries, 962 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,520 the GIs brought exciting moves to our dance floor. 963 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:56,800 They launched a craze for a totally new type of dance. The Lindy Hop 964 01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:01,320 was a form of jive developed by the black dance halls in Harlem. 965 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,600 When it became a hit with the white folks too, 966 01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,200 they renamed it the jitterbug! 967 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:08,440 Whoo-hoo! 968 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,720 MUSIC: Jitterbug by Cab Calloway 969 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:22,880 I think Jitterbug was intrinsically linked with the big band sound. 970 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,640 The dancers fed from the musicians, 971 01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,680 the musicians fed from the dancers, 972 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,720 and it could be pure joy 973 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,000 and frenzy and music and dance 974 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,360 and getting totally lost in the moment. 975 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,240 # Doug the jitterbug 976 01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,520 # Just a silly lug 977 01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,080 # It ain't no shame He's not to blame 978 01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:44,840 # He's Doug the jitterbug... # 979 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,200 The women sometimes showed their underwear, 980 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,800 so you felt, you know, a bit naughty, really! 981 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,240 - LEN: - The jitterbug was seen as decidedly un-British, 982 01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:01,160 and was even banned in some dance halls. 983 01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,160 There were some posters up sometimes in halls saying, 984 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,040 "No jitterbugging." 985 01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,400 Why wasn't jitterbugging allowed? 986 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,280 The ballroom would be that busy, and when they were jitterbugging 987 01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,120 they kicked their legs up, 988 01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:18,200 and the Tower authorities thought that was dangerous 989 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,560 because the floor was that full of people dancing. 990 01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,240 How do you actually stop somebody from jitterbugging? 991 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,680 Well, it did happen, especially in the corners 992 01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,000 if there was no attendants near. 993 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,640 Then the attendants would walk around and stop them, 994 01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:36,120 and as soon as the attendants went away, it all started up again! 995 01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,680 It was mostly Americans that did it. 996 01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:44,040 Another letter to the Evening Gazette asked, 997 01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,920 "Is it not possible for the managers of ballrooms in Blackpool 998 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,320 "to come to some arrangement, just for one or two nights, 999 01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,880 "for couples to dance the jitterbug?" 1000 01:05:54,880 --> 01:06:00,480 One or two jive numbers, OK, but a full evening session? Never! 1001 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:05,280 # It ain't no shame, he's not to blame, he's Doug, the jitterbug! # 1002 01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,400 JOOLS: Amid the jollity, though, 1003 01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,680 the war continued to claim its victims from the big band world. 1004 01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:16,000 1944 brought the news that the great Glenn Miller was missing, 1005 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,440 presumed dead. 1006 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,200 Glenn had left Britain for Paris, 1007 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:23,240 where he was due to entertain the troops, who had liberated the city. 1008 01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,040 But his plane went missing, 1009 01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,440 and the exact details of what happened 1010 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,880 remains a mystery to this day. 1011 01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,800 My uncle Glenn was a prolific letter writer, 1012 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,200 and one of the last ones he ever wrote 1013 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,880 was to my father, and... 1014 01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:46,320 ..it says, "Take good care of Mother. 1015 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,640 "By the time you get this I'll be in Paris, 1016 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,520 "making billeting for the band. 1017 01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,360 "Barring a nosedive into the Channel!" 1018 01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,800 Now, that was prophetic. 1019 01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,760 LEN: The British loved their American big bands, 1020 01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,080 not least vibraphone player Lionel Hampton. 1021 01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,160 It fascinated me that somebody could get that music 1022 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,440 out of that instrument! It still fascinates me. 1023 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,640 He was a bit too difficult for me to follow, I must be honest, 1024 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,920 because he was a lunatic at these vibes. 1025 01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,440 Lionel Hampton is someone who is a vital component 1026 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,400 in the history of music, really, because he's got a foot 1027 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,000 in the big bands, but he's also the vital link to rock and roll. 1028 01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,920 Charlie Watts told me that he went to see him 1029 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,000 at the Hammersmith Apollo, 1030 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,240 and it was so exciting - 1031 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:15,960 it was like a rock and roll gig 1032 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,120 because the whole balcony upstairs was going boom-boom-boom... 1033 01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:20,440 And there was a lot of smoke. 1034 01:08:20,440 --> 01:08:22,640 I'm not sure what sort of smoke it was, 1035 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,600 but the whole place was like this. 1036 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:34,240 You know, some people sort of thought he was an insensitive yob, 1037 01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,240 the way he played, and that's what I love best about him! 1038 01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,360 "Whoargh!" You know. 1039 01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:45,720 Lionel Hampton started out his career as a drummer, 1040 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,480 and first played the vibraphone with perhaps one of the greatest 1041 01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:51,280 stars of all time - the great Louis Armstrong. 1042 01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,800 MUSIC: Dinah 1043 01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,000 You take someone like Louis Armstrong, who transcends all 1044 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,160 genres and types of music, because he is a genre on his own. 1045 01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,400 And whether he's reading out the phone book, 1046 01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,440 the shopping list or any song, you know it's him immediately 1047 01:09:14,440 --> 01:09:17,440 and even if it's something like Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah which he recorded, 1048 01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:20,920 he makes it sound like this incredible work of art. 1049 01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,320 Because of his vocal style, his timing, his trumpet playing... 1050 01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:29,120 He was a complete one-off. And you can spend all day studying him - 1051 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,320 never, ever going to sound like him. 1052 01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,720 MUSIC: Tiger Rag 1053 01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,680 Louis Armstrong is not only a great iconic person because people 1054 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,560 know him from his films and his records and everything, 1055 01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,880 but as a musician and an artist 1056 01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,360 he's actually one of the greatest of all time. 1057 01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,360 # Oh, when you smilin' 1058 01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,560 # When you smilin'... # 1059 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,120 The more I look at his life and the more I talk to people who really know 1060 01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,680 about music, the more you look at his sound, the more things you find. 1061 01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,000 You find more of him doing a version of a song and you go, "Wow, 1062 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,400 "I never liked that song until he did it." And he brings you to songs. 1063 01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:45,400 # You got to accen-tuate the positive and 1064 01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,800 # Elim-inate the negative and 1065 01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:52,320 # Latch on to the affirmative 1066 01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,800 # But don't mess with Mr In Between 1067 01:10:55,800 --> 01:11:00,720 # You've got to spread joy up to the maximum and 1068 01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:04,480 # Bring gloom down to the minimum and 1069 01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:06,560 # Have faith 1070 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:11,080 # Or pandemonium's liable to walk upon the scene 1071 01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:14,960 # To illustrate my last remark 1072 01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:19,000 # Jonah in the whale, Noah in the Ark 1073 01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:24,080 # What did they do just when everything looked so dark? 1074 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:32,080 # Man, they said you got to accen-tuate the positive and 1075 01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,840 # Elim-inate the negative and 1076 01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,800 # Latch on to the affirmative 1077 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,920 # But don't mess with Mr In Between. # 1078 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:54,840 Five years ago, I promised you blood, toil, 1079 01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,280 tears and sweat. 1080 01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:02,760 And your untiring response brought us, 1081 01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,600 in the end, 1082 01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,720 victory over Germany. 1083 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,480 Finally, on the 7th of May 1945 1084 01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:17,960 V-E Day arrived, marking victory in Europe. 1085 01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,080 London was packed with ecstatic crowds. 1086 01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,800 King George VI and Queen Elizabeth appeared eight times 1087 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,280 on the balcony of Buckingham Palace while their daughters, the 1088 01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:33,280 Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret Rose, mingled with the crowds below. 1089 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,080 The entire nation celebrated. 1090 01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,480 There were fancy dress parades for children, gallons of beer 1091 01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:43,800 for everybody else, and there was singing and dancing in the streets. 1092 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:49,320 # Blue skies smiling at me 1093 01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:55,600 # Nothin' but blue skies do I see. # 1094 01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,680 British people were given two days off - I mean, that day, 1095 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:04,800 V-E Day and the day afterwards - as a sort of public holiday 1096 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:09,560 and the pubs on V-E Day ran dry by eight o'clock in the evening. 1097 01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,600 But nevertheless there was a great deal of rejoicing 1098 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,360 and celebrating and bonfires - 1099 01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,240 a bonfire even in Piccadilly, 1100 01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:21,160 burning effigies of Hitler, hanging effigies of Hitler from lampposts... 1101 01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:22,600 - ARCHIVE: - London suddenly had 1102 01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,840 as much right as anywhere to celebrate victory - 1103 01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,560 and London certainly did! 1104 01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,040 It was the celebration of the century, 1105 01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,800 and the music people wanted to dance to was the big band. 1106 01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,880 MUSIC: A Little On The Lonely Side by the Squadronaires 1107 01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:51,080 Went along to Buckingham Palace, where there was an enormous 1108 01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,440 throng already assembled all round the Victoria Memorial, 1109 01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:58,600 so I got the trumpet out and I started to play, and people made 1110 01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,280 a circle and started to dance, 1111 01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,760 and musicians appeared out of the blue. 1112 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,800 There was a trombone player turned up, 1113 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,200 and a sailor who had what looked like 1114 01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:09,840 the horn of one of those 1115 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,960 enormous old-fashioned gramophones, into which he sort of 1116 01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,160 blew raspberries and it made a sort of tuba sound. 1117 01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:19,400 And there were various sort of people with percussion things 1118 01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,280 and so we'd got a small band together. 1119 01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,640 My nan's piano was pushed into the street, 1120 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,600 where she treated the neighbours to some lovely music hall songs. 1121 01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:32,720 And here in Blackpool, the town came to a virtual standstill - 1122 01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:37,320 the Tower Ballroom was jammed with revellers, ready to dance all night. 1123 01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,560 MUSIC CONTINUES 1124 01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:51,040 After the war, Blackpool returns to being what it's always been - 1125 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:52,520 a place for fun. 1126 01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:01,960 Churchill had saved Britain in its hour of need, 1127 01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,320 but the population were hungry for change. 1128 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,680 He and his Conservative government 1129 01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,640 were voted out at the next election. 1130 01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:13,200 # I'm a little on the lonely 1131 01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,680 # A little on the lonely side... # 1132 01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:19,440 - ARCHIVE: - Labour will now have a majority over all parties 1133 01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:21,400 in a House of 640. 1134 01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,880 JOOLS: Meanwhile, the thousands of American servicemen based in Britain 1135 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,680 were going back home. 1136 01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,160 Some had formed romances in the ballrooms 1137 01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,120 and took our womenfolk away with them. 1138 01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,000 Others returned empty-handed. 1139 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,280 But Britain was broken, too. 1140 01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,880 The cities were in ruins, and we were deeply in debt to America. 1141 01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,440 The men who survived the war came home to unemployment 1142 01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:52,120 and uncertainty. 1143 01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,600 There continued to be tremendous shortages, 1144 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,440 rationing continued until 1954. 1145 01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:01,040 The winter after the war was absolutely bitter, people 1146 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:06,000 were really, really cold, there was still a shortage of petrol, coal... 1147 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:10,000 But in Blackpool, things were a bit different. 1148 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,040 They blatantly ignored the austerity. 1149 01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,640 They weren't going to let a little thing like sugar rationing 1150 01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,960 get in the way of producing their signature sweet. 1151 01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,280 # With me little stick of Blackpool rock 1152 01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,960 # Along the promenade I stroll... # 1153 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,120 The black market was huge, 1154 01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:32,160 and many rock workers' families didn't go hungry. 1155 01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,360 The authorities tried in vain to stop the practice... 1156 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,520 ..but they didn't succeed until the end of sugar rationing, 1157 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,000 when long queues were reported in the resort sweet shops 1158 01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:47,120 as people stocked up on the now legitimate Blackpool rock. 1159 01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:58,000 After the war, Blackpool benefited from a steady flow of visitors 1160 01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,720 and a healthy black market in nylons, petrol, sausages, innuendo 1161 01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,280 and Blackpool rock. 1162 01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,440 But it was not until 1949 1163 01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:08,160 that the illuminations shone again. 1164 01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,960 The music of wartime meant so much to so many people 1165 01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,520 that the public still demanded this music to dance to. 1166 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,720 But the days of the big band were numbered. 1167 01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,840 Ted Heath captured this nostalgic feeling 1168 01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:33,040 and led the way in Britain's post-war big band era. 1169 01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:38,880 He recorded more than 100 albums, which sold over 20 million copies. 1170 01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:45,080 Like many of his contemporaries, Ted Heath started out in the 1171 01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:50,040 big band boom of the '20s, playing in London's famous Kit Cat Club. 1172 01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,040 Then, the success of Glenn Miller during the war 1173 01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:58,840 led Ted to formulate his own version of the smooth swing sound. 1174 01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:04,840 Glenn was impressed with Ted Heath, 1175 01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,920 and he said to Ted... 1176 01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:10,400 "You really got something." 1177 01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,880 He said, "When I get back from the continent," 1178 01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:17,800 he says, "I'll give you a dozen arrangements to get you started." 1179 01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,720 Well, he obviously didn't do that, 1180 01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,840 but on the strength of that statement 1181 01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:29,320 Ted and Moira started their own band, and... 1182 01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,520 the rest is history. 1183 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,920 I'm a massive, MASSIVE fan of Ted Heath. 1184 01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,600 Ted Heath was a very nice, gentle man, you know, 1185 01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,760 conducting this... 1186 01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,520 not very gentle kind of band. 1187 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,520 You know, they were very energetic, 1188 01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:53,840 playing some very complicated arrangements. 1189 01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,720 He did it right, Ted, 1190 01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,000 he understood the business, he understood how to handle a band. 1191 01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,280 He had great ideas, he had great arrangers. 1192 01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,920 We used to know the names of all the band at one time, and I can't 1193 01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:10,160 remember them now, but they were as admired and adored as someone 1194 01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,800 like I suppose One Direction and things like that are at the moment. 1195 01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,400 # The man who lives next door to me 1196 01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:21,200 # Is rich, as rich as rich can be... # 1197 01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:25,320 JOOLS: Petula Clark went from Forces' sweetheart to film star, 1198 01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:29,640 often singing with British big bandleaders Geraldo and Ted Heath. 1199 01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:31,880 # Miser, miser, counting gold 1200 01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,400 # What you gonna do when you grow old? 1201 01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,280 # Miser, miser, keep your change 1202 01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,720 # That old man won't give a dime away 1203 01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,240 # Miser, miser You're getting worse 1204 01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,120 # Shake all the moths from out of your purse 1205 01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,680 # Miser, miser, say you can 1206 01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,200 # Spend a few coppers on your fellow man. # 1207 01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:55,040 My first experience of that kind of music was singing with Ted. 1208 01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,480 Yeah, that was great. 1209 01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:59,600 Meanwhile, in the big bands' homeland of America, 1210 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,280 their popularity was going into decline. 1211 01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:06,520 Even Duke Ellington had to downsize and use his recording royalties 1212 01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,280 to subsidise the running costs of his band. 1213 01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:13,400 MUSIC: Take The A Train by Duke Ellington 1214 01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:21,680 Of course there are many, many 1215 01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:23,680 places around the world where you can 1216 01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,040 take a trio or quartet and, you know, 1217 01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:27,600 you can work for two or three weeks 1218 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,440 because they're little places 1219 01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:32,640 and there isn't a big overhead so it's easy, you know. 1220 01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,480 But with these guys, and I have so many expensive people 1221 01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:37,200 in the band, you know, it's 1222 01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,000 the highest-paid band in the world - 1223 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,600 I mean, they get the money, I get the kicks! 1224 01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,080 APPLAUSE 1225 01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:54,480 JOOLS: Whilst big bands were declining in America, 1226 01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:57,600 many successful singers like Frank Sinatra toured in Britain 1227 01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:01,840 and started booking British big bands to perform with them. 1228 01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,200 In the early 1950s, 1229 01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,320 sales of American records dominated the British charts. 1230 01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,360 When Frank Sinatra came to Britain, he was the highest ever paid 1231 01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:14,480 performer, with an enormous fee of 2,000 quid per show. 1232 01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,920 And one of the few places he played in Britain was right here 1233 01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:22,080 at the Blackpool Opera house. 1234 01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:27,080 # Saturday night is the loneliest night of the week 1235 01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:34,480 # I sing a song that I sang for the memories I usually see... # 1236 01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:37,280 Frank Sinatra had emerged from the Tommy Dorsey big band 1237 01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:41,600 and went on to be one of the best selling artists of all time. 1238 01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:43,800 MUSIC: New York, New York by Frank Sinatra 1239 01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,400 I'm taking a drive with the man who was chauffeur to the stars 1240 01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,160 back in the heyday of the big bands in Blackpool. 1241 01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,920 When were you first aware of big bands, Frank? 1242 01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,840 Big bands? Oh, from 1940. 1243 01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,760 Tommy Dorsey, Jimmy Dorsey, all the other big bands. 1244 01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,040 What, the records, or the actual people? 1245 01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,480 No, no people - we got the music. 1246 01:22:05,480 --> 01:22:07,760 - 78s. - You're going back a long way. 1247 01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,520 Well, there were no CDs in those days, no. 1248 01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,680 It was vinyl records! 1249 01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,160 So people loved the big band music, but the Americans, 1250 01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:15,840 they didn't really... 1251 01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,880 American big band styles didn't really come here, is that right? 1252 01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:21,600 No. Ted Heath was one of the biggest bands that came. 1253 01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,040 Ambrose, Geraldo... 1254 01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,520 They came to the Winter Gardens and played for summer season. 1255 01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,760 So you had one very special American artist come and join you, 1256 01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:45,160 - didn't you? - I did indeed, Jools. It was Frank Sinatra. 1257 01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:47,280 # Come fly with me 1258 01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:52,040 # Let's fly, let's fly away 1259 01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:53,280 # If you can use... # 1260 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,040 He came in 1950, and he came in 1953. 1261 01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,440 He came twice to Blackpool, I drove him twice. 1262 01:22:58,440 --> 01:23:01,120 His reputation had gone down slightly in America, 1263 01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:04,280 but when he saw the people jumping on the Buick, banging 1264 01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:07,840 on the windows, he just said, "They love me in this town, don't they?" 1265 01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,760 I said, "Yes, they do, sir." 1266 01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:11,560 He said, "I could become mayor!" 1267 01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,240 I said, "Well, yes - you could!" 1268 01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:16,680 But he talked to me all the time. 1269 01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:18,320 And what sort of thing did he say to you? 1270 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,080 Well, we mentioned about Blackpool promenade, we're just on the 1271 01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:24,280 promenade at the moment, mentioned the Blackpool Illuminations. 1272 01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,040 He said yes, he was amazed at that, 1273 01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,320 all the street lights lit up. 1274 01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:32,800 # It's my kind of town... # 1275 01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:36,040 Frank, were there lots of girls waiting for Mr Sinatra? 1276 01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,240 Oh, yes - lots of girls waiting outside, there were, yes. 1277 01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:42,200 One in particular - Frank came out, 1278 01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:43,680 I opened the limo door. 1279 01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,920 He was getting in, just turned round and caught somebody in his eye 1280 01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,840 and said, "Are you waiting for me, honey?" 1281 01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,880 She said, "No, I'm waiting for the driver." It was my missus! 1282 01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:59,520 # She's the right girl for me... # 1283 01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,320 And what was the atmosphere like when the big bands were playing - 1284 01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,720 - I mean, in the war and that, what was it like here? - Oh, terrific. 1285 01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,240 Blackpool was going like a bomb. 1286 01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:10,720 They thought everything in Blackpool was going to stop, 1287 01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,080 but we had the RAF parked here. 1288 01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:16,920 Every hotel round Albert Road were all RAF personnel. 1289 01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,080 And the town was booming, it was great - there were bands coming, 1290 01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,920 dances every night, everywhere. It was great. 1291 01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,720 Do you think people were living a bit like there was no tomorrow? 1292 01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:30,200 Well, yes. That was it. The war was on, 1940, Battle of Britain. 1293 01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,720 Oh, yes, Liverpool got bombed. We got bombed in Blackpool. 1294 01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:37,560 Well, it's great being up here driving you around, because it is 1295 01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:42,000 an honour to drive you because you've driven so many of the great people. 1296 01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,680 Well, thank you, Jools, very much. 1297 01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,360 It's the first time I've been driven in a limousine, Jools! 1298 01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,960 You're doing very well indeed. I must congratulate you. 1299 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:50,840 Well, thanks very much. 1300 01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:52,960 That's high praise from the guru! 1301 01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:54,200 FRANK LAUGHS 1302 01:24:54,200 --> 01:25:01,280 # That long, long road... # 1303 01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:13,120 In 1952, the Queen came to the throne. 1304 01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:20,080 After the years of post-war austerity, 1305 01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,360 the new reign seemed to mark the beginning of an age of hope. 1306 01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,200 # Forget your troubles and just get happy 1307 01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,720 # You better chase all your cares away... # 1308 01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:30,720 With the booming of the economy, 1309 01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:34,240 Brits had more paid holiday time than ever before, 1310 01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:38,800 and fond wartime memories of Blackpool kept bringing them back. 1311 01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:46,080 In the 1950s, up to 17 million visitors a year were coming here. 1312 01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,400 - ARCHIVE: - Blackpool, known to millions of Britons 1313 01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,000 and millions from overseas. 1314 01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,640 Hundreds of special trains bring thousands of people daily 1315 01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,000 to this Mecca of pleasure. 1316 01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,120 Not such a good harvest this year. 1317 01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,440 To weigh up any situation there are always the scales. 1318 01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:13,480 She's eager to know the result. 1319 01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:15,920 Couldn't possibly tell you what SHE said! 1320 01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:25,360 The '50s were a time of massive immigration into the UK. 1321 01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,600 There was an influx of musicians from the Caribbean, 1322 01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,120 and in London, new jazz clubs started to open up, 1323 01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,200 including Ronnie Scott's. 1324 01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:38,160 The big bands had become expensive and music was becoming more diverse. 1325 01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:42,240 Skiffle, ska, modern and traditional jazz all had a following, 1326 01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:46,120 and boogie-woogie had transmorphed into rock and roll. 1327 01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,120 But the big bands weren't dead. 1328 01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:49,560 In the early '50s, 1329 01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,280 they provided the backing for scores of top singers. 1330 01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,080 It was only when rock and roll 1331 01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:57,880 took the country by storm that the big bands finally bailed out. 1332 01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,440 But for those who had lived through the war years, 1333 01:27:00,440 --> 01:27:02,760 there was really only one kind of music. 1334 01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:08,640 I think that the golden age of the big bands had more glamour... 1335 01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,440 - APPLAUSE - ..and excitement 1336 01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:12,840 than any other music in history. 1337 01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:16,760 The joy the big band sound brought to the British 1338 01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:20,680 in their darkest hour still resonates today. 1339 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,880 # I'll be seeing you 1340 01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:31,200 # In all the old familiar places 1341 01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,320 # That my heart embraces 1342 01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,640 # All day through 1343 01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,760 # In a small cafe 1344 01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:49,720 # Park across the way 1345 01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:55,120 # The children's carousel 1346 01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,600 # The chestnut tree 1347 01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,200 # The wishing well 1348 01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,560 # I'll find you in the morning sun 1349 01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:09,160 # And when the night is new 1350 01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:12,960 # I'll be looking at the moon 1351 01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:17,000 # But I'll be seeing you 1352 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:58,920 # Oh-oh-oh. # 158719

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