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Royal history is at the heart of our
national identity.
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We think of it as the definitive truth
about our past.
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Kings and queens,
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dates and facts,
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all consigned to a past that's
unchanging and fixed.
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But it's not like that at all.
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History is a chorus of voices,
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each of them shouting out its own
version of the story.
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And very often it's the loudest voices
that get heard most clearly.
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In this series, I'm lifting the lid on
three of royal history's
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great nation-building stories.
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The Spanish Armada.
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Elizabeth I's naval triumph is still
celebrated
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as a founding moment of the British
Empire.
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But was it really the decisive victory
we've been led to believe?
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Queen Anne helped create Great
Britain.
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She's remembered as a disastrous
monarch,
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but did her liberal enemies destroy
her reputation?
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And in this episode - Henry VIII's
Reformation,
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a religious schism that broke
England's ties with Europe
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and delivered absolute power to the
king.
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But it's often told as a bawdy royal
soap opera.
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- Henry VIII, what a guy.
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Got on bended knee and declared,
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"My darling Anne, I will love you for
the rest of...your life."
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- LAUGHTER RIPPLES
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- Cheeky, cheeky.
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- In lots of versions of the story,
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the Reformation almost seems like a
side product
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of Henry's love life, a consequence of
his desire for a divorce from
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Catherine of Aragon, so that he could
marry Anne Boleyn.
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But has this focus on Henry's love
life blinded us to the wider
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political impact of the Reformation
that's still playing out
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on the streets of Brexit Britain
today?
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- I think the Reformation reinforced
the sense that Britain is separate,
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and I think that's where your
scepticism
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has its deep roots in the Reformation.
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- So what's the real story of the
Reformation -
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lust and the obsessive desire for an
heir,
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or a political earthquake that shapes
the nation to this day?
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It seems we just can't decide.
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And maybe that's because many of the
stories told
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about the Reformation have been spun
from myths, fabrications
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and some of royal history's biggest
fibs.
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The story of the English Reformation
begins on Halloween 1517,
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when the monk Martin Luther nailed a
document to the door of a church
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in Wittenberg, north-east Germany,
attacking the Roman Catholic Church.
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Luther believed that the Catholic
Church was corrupt.
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He thought that the clergy had tricked
people into thinking
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they could buy their way into heaven
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by paying priests to say masses to
wash their sins away.
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He believed that faith, not money, was
what got you redemption.
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Luther's protest in Wittenberg is
often seen as THE decisive act
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that inspired Henry VIII's break with
Rome.
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But this founding moment may well be
the first fib in the story.
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Like all the best stories, it's
probably been hammed up a bit
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and it's doubtful that this scene with
the church door
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ever took place.
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Luther has left us no fewer than 120
volumes of writing,
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about all different aspects of his
life,
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including a really bad case of
constipation,
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which he thinks was given to him by
the devil.
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But nowhere in any of this does he
mention
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nailing anything to any doors.
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However Luther's message was first
delivered,
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it quickly spread and unleashed a
religious and political
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revolution across Europe.
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But when it came to the attention of
Henry VIII,
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it left him cold.
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Over the centuries, Henry has
sometimes been claimed
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as one of history's great Protestants.
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But when Luther's revolutionary
message started to arrive in London,
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Henry was dead against it.
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After reading Luther's tract, Henry
fired off an angry response.
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It was called the Defence of the Seven
Sacraments.
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SHE CHUCKLES And he didn't hold back.
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Henry said that Luther was "a venomous
serpent",
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"a pernicious plague", an "infernal
wolf".
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He said he had an infected soul, and
he also called him
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a "detestable trumpeter of pride,
calumnies and schism."
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So Henry wasn't particularly promising
material
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as a convert to Protestantism.
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And in fact, he never would become a
Protestant.
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He would remain a Catholic until the
day he died.
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Henry's attack on Luther so delighted
Pope Leo X
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that he rewarded Henry with a title -
Defender of the Faith.
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But Henry's love-in with the Pope
wouldn't last long.
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Soon, he himself would be branded a
heretic.
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So what went wrong?
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According to the popular version of
the story,
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it was a seductive 21-year-old
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who'd lure Henry away from his
Catholic faith.
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Anne Boleyn arrived at Henry's court
as lady-in-waiting
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to Catherine of Aragon in 1522.
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By 1527, Anne had completely turned
the king's head.
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And the story of how Henry dumped his
old wife
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in favour of the younger, sexier model
has formed the plot line
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of royal bonk busters ever since.
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From the early days of silent cinema
to more recent TV dramas,
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directors, too, have delighted in
casting
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the demure and devoutly Catholic
Catherine
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against the sexy Protestant pin-up,
Anne.
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16th century artists also portrayed
her as a great beauty.
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But the truth is, no-one really knows
what Anne looked like,
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because this small medallion is the
only surviving portrait
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known to have been made during her
lifetime.
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And this has meant that Anne's image
has become a sort of battle ground.
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She shifts shape according to who's
telling her story.
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Only one thing is absolutely certain,
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Anne was much more than just a pretty
face.
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Anne Boleyn arrived at Henry's court
fired up with radical ideas.
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She grew up here at Hever Castle in
Kent,
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the daughter of Lady Elizabeth Howard
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and an ambitious diplomat,
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Thomas Boleyn.
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Thomas secured his younger daughter a
coveted position
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as maid of honour in the French court.
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And it was there that Anne was
introduced to the new ideas
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that were transforming Europe.
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- During those years,
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she came in contact with evangelical
Protestants,
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people who were rethinking old
verities,
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who were coming up with new ways of
approaching everything,
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including faith.
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- What were these, perhaps,
contentious new religious ideas
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that Anne was picking up in France?
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- A key one is the source of
authority.
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So when you're making decisions about
religious matters,
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who do you look to as the authority on
that matter,
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whether it's the Bible, scripture,
which is what these evangelicals
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were arguing, or whether you turn to
the wisdom of the Church?
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And followers of Luther said that,
actually, the Church was flawed,
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that the Pope was fallible.
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- Do you think Henry would have taken
these ideas about the authority
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of the Pope to heart if it hadn't been
for Anne?
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- I think Anne's pivotal because we
know that Henry hates Luther.
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Anne obviously had a real hold on his
heart and so could introduce
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ideas to him that other people
couldn't possibly say.
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- And is this something that's been
downplayed by the people
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who see her as just a sexpot?
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- I think that comes down to pretty
misogynistic ways
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of seeing Henry VIII's wives in the
past, actually.
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And it's much easier if you can, sort
of, boil them down
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to being a bit of skirt and not really
anything more.
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And, actually, with Anne we do have
something more.
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She is somebody who makes a massive
difference
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in terms of English history.
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We could argue that Henry VIII would
not have broken
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with the Roman Catholic Church if it
weren't for Anne's influence.
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- At this time, the Protestant scholar
William Tyndale was marked out
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as a heretic for wanting to translate
the Bible into English.
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But Anne had one of his books smuggled
into England from France,
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and she risked putting it right under
the king's nose.
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It was called The Obedience of a
Christian Man,
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and Anne went about this in a very
clever way.
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She marked up a passage in Tyndale's
book where he implied that kings
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had lost their power to the Church.
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"Kings", Tindale says,
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"they are but shadows, vain names and
things idle,
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"having nothing to do in the world
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"but when our Holy Father needeth
their help."
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Tyndale was provoking the monarchs of
Christendom
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to reject papal authority.
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And the idea that he could be king of
an autonomous nation
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appealed to Henry.
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He's supposed to have said,
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"Well, this is a book for me and all
kings to read."
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And this little interaction shows her
beginning to persuade him
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that maybe not all radical Protestants
are bad,
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and that maybe breaking with Rome
could be good.
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Anne was winning Henry round to some
Protestant ideas.
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And she refused to sleep with the king
until
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he'd made her his new queen.
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But there were many obstacles in her
way.
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Henry was still married and his wife
had many supporters at court.
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Chief amongst these was Eustace
Chapuys,
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the Spanish ambassador to Emperor
Charles V,
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the standard bearer for Catholicism
across Europe.
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Eustace Chapuys was devoted to Charles
V,
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who just happened to be the nephew of
Catherine of Aragon.
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Chapuys really loved Catherine of
Aragon.
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It was said that he venerated her like
a saint,
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and, partly as a result of this, he
really hated Anne Boleyn.
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In his letters to Charles V,
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Chapuys describes Anne as more
Lutheran than Luther,
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and he slut shamed her.
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He called her "the concubine" and "the
whore."
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And Chapuys really set up this image
of Anne
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that does survive to this day, as the
wicked, evil seductress,
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as the original other woman.
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Anne's genuine intelligence and sense
of political strategy
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just don't fit into this soap opera
version of the story.
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By 1527, the king's desperate desire
for a male heir
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had become known as The King's Great
Matter.
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After nine years of marriage,
Catherine had produced six children,
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but all had died, apart from a
daughter - Mary.
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Henry wanted a son to continue the
Tudor dynasty,
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and he was now convinced that Anne
Boleyn could deliver.
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It was time to come up with some fibs
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to help him get rid of Catherine.
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In 1527, Henry asked Pope Clement VII
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to annul his marriage.
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It seems that Henry had suddenly woken
up to the fact that Catherine
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had previously been married to his
older brother, Arthur.
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And this, according to the Bible, was
a bad thing.
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The Book of Leviticus said that
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if a man shall marry his brother's
wife,
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it is an unclean thing.
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And Henry now argued that this
uncleanliness was the reason
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that Catherine had never produced a
healthy baby boy.
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Their marriage, he now said, had been
blighted from the start
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in the eyes of God.
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But Henry's manipulation of biblical
quotations failed to impress.
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The Pope refused to annul his marriage
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and his wife refused to go quietly.
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Henry had hopes that with the offer of
a generous settlement,
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Catherine would give way gracefully
and go off to a nunnery,
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but no, she wasn't having that.
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We've made vows, she said, they cannot
be undone.
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As a Roman Catholic himself, Henry
would have understood this,
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but he was determined to get his
divorce.
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And thanks to Anne, Henry no longer
saw the need to kowtow to the Pope.
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And there was somebody else close to
Henry
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who was manipulating facts to persuade
the king
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that breaking with Rome could lead to
unexpected rewards.
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In 1533, Thomas Cromwell became
Henry's chief minister.
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Unlike Henry, he was a radical
Protestant who saw Luther
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as a progressive force.
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An ally of Anne Boleyn, he saw The
King's Great Matter
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as an opportunity to advance the
Protestant cause.
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So Cromwell began to weave some expert
political propaganda.
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He assured Henry that there was a way
to get him his divorce,
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improve his finances
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and enhance his political power.
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It would just take two acts of
parliament.
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The first was drafted in 1533.
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This is the real, actual Act in
Restraint of Appeals.
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And because this act banned appealing
to the Pope
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in ecclesiastical matters, it meant
that Catherine was now banned
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from appealing to the Pope in her and
Henry's great matter.
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From this point onwards, it would be
parliament, not the Pope,
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it would be London, not Rome, that
would be the final authority
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on the constitutional affairs of
England.
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By this time, Anne had succumbed to
Henry's advances
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and in January 1533, before the act
had even been passed,
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Anne discovered she was pregnant.
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To make sure a potential baby boy was
legitimate,
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they quickly got married.
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Henry, who was still married to
Catherine, was now a bigamist.
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The Pope expelled him from the
Catholic Church.
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This guaranteed that Henry would burn
in hell for eternity.
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But Henry didn't seem to mind too much
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because, with Cromwell busy drafting
his revolutionary acts,
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Henry seemed to feel that his powers
were limitless.
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A year later, Cromwell produced a
second bill -
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The Act of Supremacy.
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This made Henry the supreme head of a
new Church of England,
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and severed all ties with Rome.
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But how could he possibly justify this
massive break with Rome?
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Well, the first clue comes in the very
first line
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of The Act in Restraint of Appeals,
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where we begin to see Cromwell
emerging
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as one of history's biggest fibbers.
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It says, "By diverse and sundry old
authentic
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"histories and chronicles,
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"it is manifestly declared and
expressed that this realm
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"of England is an Empire...
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"..governed by one Supreme Head
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"and King having the dignity and royal
estate
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"of the imperial Crown."
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What he's saying here is that Henry
rules an empire.
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He is an emperor, as kings of England
have been for centuries,
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and emperors are beholden to nobody,
certainly not to the Pope.
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But where did this whole idea of
empire come from?
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Who was Cromwell kidding?
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The truth is that Henry had no empire
beyond the British Isles,
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apart from a precarious foothold in
Calais,
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that was increasingly expensive to
defend from the French.
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But Cromwell wasn't about to let facts
like these
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get in the way of his master plan.
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To justify the passage of power from
Rome to London,
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he manipulated English history.
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This is the 12th century book that
Cromwell used as his source
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and his justification.
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It's The History of the Kings of
Britain
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by a Welsh monk called Geoffrey of
Monmouth.
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And in it he takes the story of the
kings of Britain right back
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to one of Britain's best loved
legends,
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King Arthur and the Knights of the
Round Table.
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But this is really pseudo history.
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It's more like a collection of fairy
stories.
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But these fairy stories were the
diverse and sundry
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old authentic histories and chronicles
Cromwell was relying upon
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for his claim that England really was
an empire.
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The idea that the Reformation could
bolster his image as an emperor,
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descended from the mighty King Arthur,
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was especially appealing to Henry.
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Henry had always fancied himself as a
16th century King Arthur.
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So he was quite happy to go along with
a bit of colourful
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myth-making from back in the mists of
time,
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especially if it got him what he
wanted.
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Henry had an extraordinary gift for
believing most sincerely
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in things which just happened to be to
his advantage.
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Cromwell's revolutionary acts gave
Henry the power he craved,
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but they also left him isolated.
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Rejecting Rome wasn't only a religious
matter.
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The Pope also had diplomatic and
economic powers.
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He even had approval on international
trade deals.
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And, by rejecting the Lutheran cause,
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Henry was also driving a wedge between
England
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and the rest of Protestant Europe.
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Adrian, do you think there's a
connection between
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people today talking negatively about
Europe
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and those acts that Henry and Cromwell
set up
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saying, "England is exceptional, it
stands alone.
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"It's an empire entirely
self-contained"?
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- Oh, undoubtedly. I think this idea
that when you're an island,
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you are naturally disconnected from
the Continent and you are,
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you know, very special and your fate
and destiny lie elsewhere.
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Clearly, that is what, you know, the
Reformation and I think,
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you know, people having this sort of
discourse today have in common.
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Really, I think, what those two acts
do is they essentially say
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there's only one source of legitimacy,
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and that is now the nation represented
by the monarch.
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And that really changes the
relationship hugely
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to other countries, to the papacy, to
institutions, you know,
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across the world, because you're
essentially saying
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the individual has rights, you know,
his or her individual rights,
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plus the state essentially guarantees
them
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and nothing mediates that relationship
any more.
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- By 1536, Henry had absolute power
over both nation and the Church.
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But, after three years of marriage to
Anne,
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Henry still had no male heir, only a
daughter - Elizabeth.
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So Henry now ordered his fixer, Thomas
Cromwell, to find a solution.
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Operating in Henry's court was
notoriously a dangerous affair.
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You had to stay a step ahead of your
enemies
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and keep your allies close.
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But although Anne was super smart, her
strong character
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and radical views hadn't endeared her
to everybody.
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And it would be her former ally,
Thomas Cromwell, who produced
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the damaging evidence that would
eventually bring her down.
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In May 1536, Anne was brought to the
Tower of London
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to be tried on charges of adultery,
incest
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and conspiracy to kill the king.
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Cromwell had witnesses tortured to
help create a dodgy dossier
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against her, which would seal her
reputation as a wanton woman.
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- We have from Anne's trial the
indictment,
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and there's a list of five men with
whom she's accused of adultery.
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She's also accused of incest
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because one of those five men is her
brother.
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And, crucially, she's accused of
conspiring the king's death.
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- Do you think that Anne did anything,
anything wrong,
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anything that we can blame for her
downfall?
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- Well, I don't think that she
committed the adultery
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and the incest that she was accused
of.
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But I do think she did the conspiring
the king's death,
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if we understand that to be talking
about the king's death.
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Because there's a moment with a man
called Henry Norris,
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who's one of the king's best friends,
where she said to him,
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"You look for dead men's shoes, for if
aught came to the king but good
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"you would look to have me."
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In other words, she's saying,
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you want to marry me when my husband's
dead, don't you?
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And under the 1534 Treasons Act,
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if you think of the king's death in
words,
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you are committing treason.
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- Suzie, why do you think that
Cromwell,
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who used to be Anne's ally and
supporter, turned against her
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and produced his dossier of evidence?
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- Well, ultimately, Cromwell is doing
what Henry tells him to do.
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And Henry has told him,
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look, there are these charges against
Anne, look into them.
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And Cromwell finds the dirt.
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- Anne was found guilty on all
charges.
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But, as the case against her was based
on fibs,
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her guilt seems both morally and
legally dubious.
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This has given Anne her lasting appeal
as a martyr.
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And she still has a starring role in
the tours of the Tower of London.
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- The year was 1536.
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Swordsman walked towards the Queen of
England.
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He called out, "Boy, bring me my
sword."
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That got the queen's attention enough
to look up.
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The neck was there for the taking.
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In one motion, the swordsman bent
down, picked up the sword,
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and the head was off.
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- Barely 24 hours had passed before
Henry became engaged
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to his third wife, Jane Seymour.
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A year later, she gave birth to his
long awaited son - Edward.
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Henry now had a male heir to secure
the Tudor dynasty
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and this helped build England's
autonomy as a nation state.
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But by this time, Henry was in
financial trouble.
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He'd frittered away his father's
inheritance on grand palaces
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and luxuries, and he'd spent huge sums
on battles with France.
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The king was broke, but Cromwell had a
way of helping him
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to fill his coffers.
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Cromwell said that the Church owned
nearly a third
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of all the land in England, and this
was true.
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Cromwell said that the Church was
richer than the king was,
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and this was true, too.
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But Cromwell claimed that the clergy
were syphoning off these huge sums
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of money to Rome, where the Pope was
spending them
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on all kinds of excesses, and this was
less true.
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This was Cromwell spinning his story
in order to get his own way.
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Once again, Cromwell was using Henry's
personal problems
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to further his own Protestant agenda.
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History remembers the next stage of
the Reformation
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as just an act of religious vandalism.
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In fact, it was also a far-reaching
political reform.
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Henry's fixer had the monasteries in
his sights.
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Cromwell hated these Catholic
institutions.
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He felt they were centres of
homosexuality, of depravity,
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of superstition and corruption.
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This would be a radical transfer of
wealth and power
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from church to state.
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Cromwell was setting out to destroy
the web of religious communities
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across England that provided work,
education
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and welfare for local people.
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He now sent the king's men all over
the country,
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knocking on the doors of monasteries
and nunneries to find evidence
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to blacken their reputation.
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This process was politely known
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as the visitation of the monasteries.
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Actually, it involved interrogation
and terror.
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The findings were placed before
parliament
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in the Compendium Competorum,
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which means the compendium of true
facts.
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And in this we discover the nuns at
Grace Dieu
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were accused of superstition, of
holding in reverence
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the girdle and parts of the tunic of
St Francis,
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which was thought to be helpful to
women in labour.
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Then at the monastery of Garendon,
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whoa, this is bad, they had discovered
five sodomites.
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But, given Cornwell's economic agenda
for the dissolution
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of the monasteries, how much of this
compendium of true facts
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is reliable and how much is fiction?
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Is there any evidence for actual
financial wrongdoing
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on behalf of the monasteries?
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Were they really sending all this cash
to Rome?
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- Well, I suppose like any
institution,
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there's some mismanagement.
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There's some abbots and priors who
aren't behaving
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as they're entirely supposed to be.
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But the idea that the monasteries are
sending huge sums
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of money to Rome is absolutely a
fantasy.
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Erm...
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as after the Reformation,
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the English Crown takes much more
money out of the Church
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than the popes were ever able to do.
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- Now, these people examining the
monasteries,
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they seem very keen on superstition,
that excites them.
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They like a good bit of superstition
to catch.
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What does that mean exactly?
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- I think this is an area where the
monasteries are vulnerable.
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Many of them have large collections of
relics.
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And of course, kind of by definition,
these relics,
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which have been there for a very long
time, are difficult to verify
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or prove that they genuinely are the
bone of this or that saint.
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But the visitor's clearly have a brief
to try and make
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these things sound like forms of
fraud.
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- And what about this emphasis on the
sex lives of the clergy?
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It's like Mary Whitehouse. It's very
prurient, isn't it?
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- It is, and I suppose it works as
propaganda
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because it fits with some of the
cliches.
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You know, the lecherous monk or friar
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is a well-known literary type in the
Middle Ages.
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One of the things that the compendium
produces
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is very long lists of sodomites.
- Yes.
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- That seems to be the kind of
headline sin
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that is being highlighted.
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But in fact, when one drills down into
that a little bit,
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many of these so-called sodomites, it
appears,
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are sodomites per voluntarias
polluciones,
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a rather, sort of, roundabout Latin
phrase,
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"through voluntary pollution". In
other words, masturbation.
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00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,160
- Sodomy's a very large catchall term.
476
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,040
- Sodomy is a very large catchall
term.
477
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,080
And, in fact, it's not nearly as
endemic or widespread
478
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,440
as the Compendium Compertorum is
trying to pretend, or to spin
479
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,040
the material in such a way that it
looks as if the monasteries
480
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,720
are these kind of cesspits of vice.
481
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,240
- Using this dubious evidence,
482
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,120
Cromwell unleashed a four-year
campaign of destruction.
483
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,920
By 1540, 800 religious houses had been
dissolved,
484
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,160
along with their hospitals, schools
and provision for poor people.
485
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,240
Some were sold off to wealthy
landowners who supported the king.
486
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,840
Others, like Tintern Abbey, were
deliberately left in ruins
487
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,280
as a reminder that the Church was
being cleaned up
488
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,480
and absorbed into the state.
489
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,520
Now, if you were to read your standard
Victorian history textbook,
490
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,080
it would suggest that the Reformation
was a good thing
491
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,800
in very basic terms.
492
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,520
But would you say something was lost
here, something important?
493
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,800
- The great promise was to liberate
the individual
494
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,160
from a corrupt Catholic Church,
495
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,880
you know, from a sort of overbearing
papacy that would tell
496
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,040
you how to live your life and control
your every movement,
497
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,200
to essentially a more personal
relation between the individual
498
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,080
and God, no longer mediated by the
Church.
499
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,120
I think in reality what happened is
that the Reformation
500
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,760
really subordinated the individual to
the national state
501
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,360
and also increasingly to the economy.
502
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,600
That is to say, Henry really
concentrated wealth in the hands
503
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,880
of the landed gentry, and he
centralised power.
504
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,800
And that meant that the individual was
actually stripped
505
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,200
of all sorts of support.
506
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,720
The monasteries were a huge source of
support for individuals,
507
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,520
and when they were dissolved by Henry,
it basically meant that
508
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,320
all sorts of things like education,
509
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,080
what we would now call social
services,
510
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,080
essentially, you know, were no longer
there
511
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,480
to support people where they lived.
512
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,280
So power moved to London, wealth moved
to the landed gentry,
513
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,160
and lots of individuals were basically
without support.
514
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,760
- Protestant propagandists would have
us believe
515
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,280
that the Reformation was widely
welcomed.
516
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,520
But the destruction of the monasteries
was met with resistance,
517
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,360
especially in the north of England.
518
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,120
Thousands marched on London in angry
protest
519
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,880
against Cromwell's radical reforms,
520
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,640
that were overturning centuries of
belief and a whole way of life.
521
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,800
Though it's not surprising that
Cromwell's legacy
522
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,160
as a progressive Protestant hero
523
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,120
has taken quite a battering over the
years.
524
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,640
Some historians have described him as
a brute, a thug
525
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:42,040
responsible for this, for ruins.
526
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,600
One of the great acts of vandalism in
the story of our nation.
527
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,560
But is this really fair?
528
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,720
Diarmaid, where has this idea of
Cromwell the terrible thug
529
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,360
come from? Is it Catholic propaganda?
530
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,760
- Well, it certainly is Catholic
propaganda,
531
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,880
because they were part of an old
world,
532
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,720
and his Reformation was determined to
destroy that old world.
533
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,400
He is actually carrying out the king's
policy
534
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,040
of breaking with the Pope, breaking
with Rome,
535
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,240
but was also doing things off his own
bat.
536
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,600
He had his own policies, which weren't
quite King Henry VIII's.
537
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,600
- Now, this is intriguing.
538
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,080
What was Cromwell's real agenda then?
539
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,280
- A very radical Protestant
Reformation,
540
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,040
more radical than that of Martin
Luther in Germany.
541
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,520
He wanted to do something with what
Henry had done,
542
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,600
which was break with Rome, push the
Protestant Reformation.
543
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,680
He pushed an English Bible when the
king didn't want it.
544
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,320
He's an impressive man.
545
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,640
This is someone who has got a very
determined agenda
546
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,560
to change and reform this country, to
make it better.
547
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,440
- You're on his side.
- I'm on his side because I think he
had a sense
548
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,120
of social justice, reform.
549
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,000
I can see that he's also, in many
ways, a thug.
550
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,880
But anyone in politics at the time was
a thug.
551
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,080
Alongside that, though, there is this
idealism,
552
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,200
this determination to get things done.
553
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,040
- As part of his national reforms,
Cromwell tabled the Vagabond Act.
554
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:12,320
This required every community to fund
a system
555
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,360
of state poor relief, to replace the
Church's charity.
556
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,800
- The Vagabond Act was an attempt to
start
557
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,920
the very first national system of
relieving the poor.
558
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,600
Now, in Thomas Cromwell's eyes,
559
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,440
the Church wasn't the organisation to
do it, it was the king.
560
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,680
It was this new independent kingdom of
England,
561
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,080
the Church of England under the king.
562
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,840
And so, this is an attempt to solve a
problem
563
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,880
by parliamentary legislation.
564
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,240
- I suppose, that's a new and exciting
and radical thing to do.
565
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,120
But I find there's something quite
scary about Cromwell.
566
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,560
He appears to be a zealot, and a very
clever and successful,
567
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,760
and almost frighteningly efficient
zealot.
568
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,360
- I'm sure you're right.
569
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,680
But someone's got to think about these
things.
570
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,760
His king didn't have the time or the
inclination
571
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,520
to sort problems out.
572
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,360
Cromwell was there to sort things out,
and he did.
573
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,320
- We often think of Henry and Cromwell
as a reforming team.
574
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,240
But, while Cromwell was a true
believer,
575
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:17,320
Henry was still resisting any move
towards Luther's ideas.
576
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,560
So what exactly were his people
supposed to believe?
577
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,840
How should they pray? How should they
live?
578
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,120
Henry attempted to clarify things with
another Act of Parliament.
579
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:33,040
This is the Act of the Six Articles of
1539,
580
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,640
also known as an Act for the
Abolishing of Diversity in Opinions,
581
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,760
which sounds rather like the thought
police.
582
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,080
In this one, Henry sets out his own,
rather singular, version
583
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,840
of Anglo-Catholic doctrine.
584
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,040
The things listed here include a
belief in celibacy for the clergy,
585
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,960
a belief in confession and in
communion.
586
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,880
And, actually, people were left
feeling even more confused
587
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,720
because these things were really
ancient Roman Catholic rituals
588
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:11,240
and beliefs, and very far distant from
the radical, new
589
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:15,040
Protestant direction of Henry's
closest advisers.
590
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,200
The gulf between Cromwell's belief in
the Lutheran revolution
591
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,480
and Henry's Anglo-Catholicism
592
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,720
kept on growing.
593
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:27,920
Finally, Henry turned on his fixer.
594
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,000
In June 1540, Thomas Cromwell was
taken to the Tower
595
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:37,040
charged with heresy and treason.
596
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,360
The story usually goes that Cromwell
fell
597
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,920
because of his role in Henry's
disastrous fourth marriage
598
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,080
to Anne of Cleves, the one he didn't
fancy,
599
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,120
and therefore divorced.
600
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,760
But there's more to it than that.
601
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,200
Cromwell's trial records show that he
was also in trouble
602
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,560
for failing to enforce Henry's Six
Articles.
603
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,720
For years, Cromwell had managed Henry,
604
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,320
but finally, in his enthusiasm for
religious reform, he'd gone too far.
605
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:13,760
And Henry could be ruthless if you
questioned his authority.
606
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,400
Cromwell was executed without trial.
607
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,600
He was buried alongside the Protestant
ally he'd betrayed -
608
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,320
Anne Boleyn.
609
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,000
As Protestant ideas continued to
spread across England,
610
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,680
Henry's Anglo-Catholicism became more
entrenched.
611
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,680
His last will and testament stipulated
that twice daily masses
612
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,200
be said by his tomb in perpetuity.
613
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,280
Henry VIII, always remembered as the
great reformer,
614
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,360
would remain Catholic for eternity.
615
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,440
But his surviving children -
616
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,480
zealous Edward,
617
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:54,640
who was raised entirely in the
Protestant faith,
618
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,160
Roman Catholic Mary,
619
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,200
and Anglo-Catholic Elizabeth
620
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,960
were all named by Henry as his heirs.
621
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,320
The truth is that Henry's hedging of
all of his bets
622
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,160
would plunge England into turmoil
after his death.
623
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,960
This is the moment the story of the
Reformation starts to be told
624
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,120
and retold to suit the needs of each
successive
625
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,720
Protestant and Catholic monarch.
626
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:25,080
Henry had set the stage for centuries
of confusion and lies.
627
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:31,520
In 1547, Henry was succeeded by his
nine-year-old son, Edward,
628
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,360
and a new hard line Protestant
Reformation began.
629
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,840
All of Henry's Catholic concessions,
630
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,080
including his Six Articles, were
scrapped.
631
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,760
The Latin Mass was replaced by the
English Book of Common Prayer,
632
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,840
celibate priests by married clergy.
633
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,760
But Edward died after just five years
on the throne.
634
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,160
The crown now passed to his Roman
Catholic half-sister, Mary,
635
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,560
who immediately reversed all of
Edward's Protestant reforms.
636
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,480
Latin masses were reinstated and the
Pope was declared
637
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,360
head of England's Roman Catholic
church once more.
638
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,600
Mary also restored medieval heresy
laws.
639
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,680
Protestants who refused to recant were
burnt alive at the stake.
640
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:32,760
Between 1555 and '57,
641
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,640
17 men and women from the Protestant
stronghold of Lewes
642
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,720
in southeast England were put to death
in this way.
643
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,280
The first of them was a Flemish
immigrant called Derek Carver,
644
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,040
he was a brewer.
645
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,840
He was arrested at his house because
he'd been holding
646
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,280
an illegal session of reading the
Bible in English.
647
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,400
He was tortured for eight months.
648
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,600
He eventually signed a confession to
heresy.
649
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,640
And then, when he came to be punished,
650
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,760
in a really nasty nod to his
profession,
651
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,280
they put him inside a barrel of beer
652
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,560
before burning him alive.
653
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,800
Within three years, over 300 men and
women died at the stake
654
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,600
across England.
655
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,240
Around 800 Protestants fled to Germany
and Switzerland.
656
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,720
And these exiles began to wage a
propaganda war against Queen Mary.
657
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,480
They would seal her reputation as a
bloody tyrant.
658
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,080
A historian called John Foxe was the
most influential of all.
659
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,440
This book is John Foxe's Actes and
Monuments,
660
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,520
usually known as Foxe's Book of
Martyrs.
661
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,840
It tells what happened to the people
who were persecuted
662
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,880
under Mary I's counter-reformation.
663
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,560
It's really detailed and vivid as
well.
664
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,840
He compiled it from trial records and
from eyewitness accounts.
665
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,480
And after Mary died in 1558,
666
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,680
this would become a key piece of
pro-Elizabethan propaganda.
667
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:14,040
The reason that a lot of people to
this day
668
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,920
think of Mary I as Bloody Mary
669
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,560
is essentially this book.
670
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,200
Foxe's graphic account of Bloody Mary
671
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,280
helped strengthen support for the
Reformation in England.
672
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,280
And for the Protestants who still
commemorate the Lewes Martyrs,
673
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,480
Foxe's book is nearly as important as
the Bible.
674
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,080
Since 1605, crowds have regularly
descended on Lewes to take part
675
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,280
in the town's notorious Bonfire Night
on November 5th.
676
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,240
It marks the day when the Catholic
rebel Guy Fawkes was foiled
677
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,760
in his attempts to blow up Parliament.
678
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,720
But its roots lie in the anti-Catholic
period
679
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:07,120
that immediately followed Mary's
death.
680
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,560
As you can see, it's quite a riotous
affair.
681
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,160
There's something of the medieval
carnival about it,
682
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,800
and the local authorities have tried
lots of times to get this stopped.
683
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,120
I think that's because, on one level,
it is about intolerance.
684
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,760
You worry what might happen to any
Catholics who might be brave enough
685
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,560
to show their faces here.
686
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,880
It's true to say that the spirit of
John Foxe is alive and well
687
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,040
on the streets of Lewes.
688
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,160
The 17 Lewes Martyrs commemorated in
Foxe's book
689
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,320
are represented by 17 burning crosses
690
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,160
proudly held by the Bonfire Boys, as
they call themselves.
691
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,640
They still believe that Catholic Mary
had far more blood on her hands
692
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,840
than her Protestant half-sister,
Elizabeth.
693
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,000
When Mary died childless in 1558,
694
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,920
Elizabeth took the throne just as
Henry had wished.
695
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,960
Like her father, she initially pursued
a middle way
696
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,120
with her state religion,
697
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,840
and allowed some Catholic rituals to
remain in place.
698
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,600
But, in 1570, this tolerance suddenly
stopped.
699
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:22,960
The Pope was encouraging Catholic
Spain to invade England
700
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,360
and replace Elizabeth with her
Catholic cousin,
701
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,840
Mary, Queen of Scots.
702
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,040
- 1570 is a massive game changer.
703
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,040
Pope Pius V excommunicates Elizabeth
I.
704
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,160
So, he declares her a heretic, he says
she's illegitimate
705
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,480
and he says she's a usurper, a
monster-like usurper.
706
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,440
- A monster-like usurper? That's a
brilliant phase.
- I know.
707
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,200
And he orders her subjects, her
Catholic subjects, to disobey her.
708
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,680
So what Elizabeth's Privy Council come
up with
709
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,600
is something that is known as the
Bloody Question.
- Sounds sinister.
710
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,240
- It is, it is sinister and it's a
bloody difficult question as well.
711
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:04,320
I mean, effectively it is,
712
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,120
if the Pope backs an invasion of
England
713
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,840
to restore the Catholic faith to
England,
714
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,440
who are you going to support?
715
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,040
Are you going to support the Pope or
are you going to support the Queen?
716
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,560
It's very tough for the Catholics
because now they've suddenly got,
717
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,800
really, the choice of two betrayals.
718
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,840
You know, you can betray the Pope and
condemn your souls to damnation
719
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,760
forever, or you can betray the Queen
720
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,560
and subject your body to all sorts of
temporal punishment.
721
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,400
- In the 1580s, the conflict with
Catholic Europe intensified.
722
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:37,040
England was now at war with Spain.
723
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,440
Every Catholic priest was seen as a
potential traitor,
724
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,440
secretly plotting to kill the queen.
725
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,200
It was the start of a dark, but often
forgotten, chapter
726
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,200
in Tudor history.
727
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,440
- For 1585, if you're a priest and
you've been ordained abroad
728
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,080
and you even set foot on English soil,
729
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,120
then you will be automatically deemed
a traitor
730
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,560
and you will be hanged, drawn and
quartered.
731
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,840
And the ordinary Catholic who puts him
up in his house,
732
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,800
they too will swing for it.
733
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,600
So some very grim things happen in
Elizabeth's reign.
734
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,720
This is not a golden age for the
Catholics.
735
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:14,240
- Who was driving this witch-hunt, if
you like,
736
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,880
against the Jesuit priests?
737
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,120
- There's a guy called Richard
Topcliffe,
738
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,880
who is a priest hunter.
739
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,280
He's also a torturer and a sadist,
almost certainly a rapist.
740
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,360
I mean, he really loved his job.
741
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,720
And he would go after priests,
742
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:31,560
and he would harangue them at the
gallows.
743
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,160
And there are even documents, there
are lists that he had
744
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,840
with priests' names on them,
745
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,280
and he would draw a little gallows
sketch
746
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,280
by the names of the ones he wants
executed.
747
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,640
- This is Harvington Hall in
Warwickshire.
748
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,800
Buried within its walls lie hidden
clues that reveal
749
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,880
just how bloody Queen Elizabeth
herself could be.
750
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,360
Harvington was home to the Pakington
family.
751
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:02,800
To the outside world, they appeared to
be respectable Protestants.
752
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,520
But Humphrey Pakington,
753
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,520
who remodelled medieval Harvington in
the 1580s,
754
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,040
was in fact a closet Catholic.
755
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,760
This wasn't all that unusual.
756
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,760
Lots of Catholic families went on
worshipping the old way
757
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,480
behind the closed doors of their
private chapels,
758
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,440
despite the risk of persecution and
execution.
759
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,640
As the death toll rose, though,
760
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,800
Pakington had to come up with more and
more ingenious ways
761
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,560
of keeping his secret, and of
protecting the lives
762
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,720
of the Catholic priests who were now
being hunted down
763
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:53,560
by Elizabeth's henchmen.
764
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,800
To help him provide sanctuary for
these persecuted men,
765
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,480
Humphrey Pakington employed a lay
Jesuit brother,
766
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,800
a master carpenter, Nicholas Owen.
767
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,240
Owen clearly had one of those brains
that works in 3D,
768
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,880
a bit like a computer-modelling
programme,
769
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,080
and he set about devising secret
hiding places for priests
770
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,960
all over what's already a really
baffling house.
771
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,960
Everything you see is designed to
trick you, to deceive the eye.
772
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,800
This really is a Tudor house of fibs.
773
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,840
Like this, for example. Looks like an
ordinary bedroom,
774
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,200
looks like an ordinary fireplace.
Clearly it's being used,
775
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,000
it's covered in soot.
776
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,720
Aha! Until you look closely,
777
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,000
and you realise that this soot of ages
is in fact black paint.
778
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,480
And up here there are a couple of
little footholds
779
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,760
so that the chimney can be used as an
escape route to the roof.
780
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,440
Owen always worked alone
781
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,440
and each priest hole he devised was
different, so it provided
782
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,160
no clues about the mechanisms or the
positions of the others.
783
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,760
And here in the library is the best
priest hole of all.
784
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,480
It's so well-hidden, it was only
rediscovered in the 19th century.
785
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,080
You think, mm, books, more book
shelves up here,
786
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,080
here's a ladder for getting the books.
787
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,520
But there's something odd about these
beams.
788
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,520
There's one beam.
789
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:36,840
It's on a swivel!
790
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,040
I think you'd suffer from
claustrophobia
791
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,920
if you had to spend any amount of time
in here.
792
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,400
Conditions inside these hiding places
were truly grim,
793
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,520
but countless lives were saved thanks
to Owen.
794
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,360
He himself wasn't so lucky.
795
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,360
- Nicholas Owen was eventually caught
in a raid,
796
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:10,480
in a house not far from Harvington,
797
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,280
and he was taken to the Tower of
London,
798
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,320
and he was tortured, and he died in
his cell.
799
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,960
But what is certain is that he never
gave up the secrets of his hides.
800
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:22,480
- Do you think that Elizabeth knew
what these sometimes
801
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:28,680
sadistic priest hunters were up to in
her name?
802
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,880
- Yes, yes.
803
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,360
I mean, she doesn't want to be seen to
be torturing, of course,
804
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,080
and it's officially illegal,
805
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,960
so that's why someone like Topcliffe
is very useful to her.
806
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,040
And there are, sort of, letters where
she unofficially
807
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,040
lets some of these priest hunters know
that she is pleased
808
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,200
with their good services.
809
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,080
- You're making her sound quite cruel.
810
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,040
And of course, everybody knows that it
was Mary, her half-sister,
811
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,440
who was the bloody one.
812
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,280
How would you compare the two of them?
813
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,560
- If we're looking at the, sort of,
bloody balance sheet,
814
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,080
about 300 people are burnt in Mary's
reign
815
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,720
in a short period of time, a few
years.
816
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:07,880
And Elizabeth's reign, it's almost 200
people for religious reasons,
817
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,360
but over a much longer time span.
818
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,120
- It's quite close in numbers, though,
isn't it?
819
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,720
- Well, it is quite close in numbers.
820
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,240
And also, you know, what's worse,
being burnt at the stake
821
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,040
or being strung up, cut down while
you're still alive,
822
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,360
have your intestines pulled out in
front of you, burnt in front of you,
823
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,520
and then have your head chopped off?
824
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,200
You know, possibly with being tortured
beforehand.
825
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,520
So it's, you know... It's pretty
macabre, neither is pleasant.
826
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,400
- And yet, she has this whole image,
doesn't she, as Good Queen Bess?
827
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,320
Where does that come from?
828
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,000
Who's doing her propaganda for her?
829
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,960
- Well, she had some very good
playwrights,
830
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,160
she had some good dramatists,
831
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,760
she had some excellent writers in her
reign.
832
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,200
And I think we have to acknowledge
833
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,000
that the winners write the national
story.
834
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,360
- This Protestant propaganda was met
835
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,960
with some Catholic counter-propaganda
836
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,160
by a priest called Nicholas Sander.
837
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,600
He'd escaped the heretic state of
Elizabethan England
838
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,160
to find sanctuary in Rome.
839
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,200
This book is The Rise and Growth of
the Anglican Schism
840
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,240
by Nicholas Sander.
841
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:16,120
It was the first widely distributed
Catholic account of the Reformation.
842
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,680
It's a lurid retelling of the story of
the break with Rome,
843
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:25,640
full of pride and lust and perversion.
844
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,360
In it, Elizabeth becomes an evil
thing,
845
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,640
the bastard child of Henry VIII and
Anne Boleyn,
846
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,000
whose unlawful coupling has opened the
floodgates
847
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,680
to all of this Reformation heresy.
848
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,840
And in Sander's version of the story,
849
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,920
things are even worse than that for
Elizabeth,
850
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,920
because she is the product of incest.
851
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,000
Anne Boleyn is not only Henry VIII's
wife,
852
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,760
she is also his daughter, according to
Sander.
853
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:58,320
And in support of his argument
854
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,200
he produces the evidence of what she
looks like,
855
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,840
which is clearly, weirdly,
incestuously monstrous.
856
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,440
In Sander's hands, her olive-skinned
complexion becomes sallow,
857
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:16,200
as if troubled with jaundice.
858
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,320
A projecting tooth under her upper lip
distorts the shape of her mouth.
859
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,080
On her right hand, a vestigial
fingernail growth
860
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,560
becomes a whole extra finger,
861
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,240
and a slight swelling on her neck
becomes a large wen,
862
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:33,960
or goitre, whose ugliness, Sander
claims,
863
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,480
she tried to hide by wearing a high
dress covering her throat.
864
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:42,120
The fact that Anne didn't wear
high-necked dresses,
865
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,680
she was much too elegant for that,
didn't seem to bother Sander.
866
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:55,400
He was effectively describing her as
if she were a witch.
867
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,520
By the time he was publishing in 1585,
Anne Boleyn was long dead,
868
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,520
so clearly his target was Anne's
daughter, Elizabeth.
869
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,840
With a mother like that, what must the
daughter be like?
870
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,480
Sander's book was another attempt to
incite a coup against Elizabeth.
871
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:18,000
It became a bestseller in Catholic
Spain and France
872
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,360
and it encouraged these countries to
invade and liberate England
873
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,120
from Protestant rule.
874
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,160
But in 1588, Elizabeth cemented her
reputation
875
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,600
as the warrior Virgin Queen,
876
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,160
by defending England against the
Spanish Armada.
877
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,560
Sander's demonization of Anne Boleyn
was harder to shake,
878
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,800
and it still colours the contradictory
ways
879
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,680
we view Anne today.
880
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,480
- # Listen up, let me tell you a
story... #
881
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,320
- But now a 21st century spin on the
story of Henry and his six wives
882
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:56,520
is recasting Anne as a post-feminist
pin up.
883
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,480
- # What about the glories and the
disgraces? #
884
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,760
- In the West End musical Six,
885
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,640
Henry's wives compete in a talent show
886
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,320
to prove who suffered most at his
hands.
887
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,160
In the end, they decide not to define
themselves
888
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,600
as someone's wife.
889
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,160
So they go from being the six wives of
Henry VIII
890
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,560
to the girl band Six.
891
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,480
- # Ex-wives
892
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:21,960
# We're Six Whoa, whoa. #
893
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,720
- Here we are in the stalls at Six,
the musical.
894
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,960
Tell me, which wife do you find that
the audience who come here
895
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,480
are most interested in?
896
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,640
- I think Anne Boleyn. She's the one
that everybody knows about, really.
897
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,760
So in the show, before her number,
have a kind of pre-number,
898
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,920
about like introducing her as the one
you've been waiting for.
899
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,480
- # But then I met the king
900
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,160
# And soon my daddy said, you should
try and get ahead. #
901
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,160
- The thing that everybody knows about
Anne Boleyn is kind of
902
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,440
the myth surrounding her, like her
being the other woman.
903
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,520
This kind of calculating, manipulative
person.
904
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,200
There was a sort of sense of her
pre-planning and plotting
905
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,160
to kind of steal Henry and kind of
break the Church apart
906
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,080
and all that kind of stuff.
907
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,000
And we kind of wanted to fly in the
face of that kind of hysteria.
908
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,160
So she is a kind of cheeky, fun-loving
909
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,240
sort of party girl, really,
910
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:15,560
who just likes to have a good time,
doesn't worry too much
911
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,320
about the consequences of her actions.
912
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,400
And then when they do kind of
backfire, sort of shrugs it off
913
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,800
and says, "Oh, well!"
914
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:23,920
"Sorry, not sorry" is kind of her
refrain.
915
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,480
So, yeah, our version is very
different
916
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,320
to the historical narrative that
everyone knows.
917
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,560
- You're making a joke against
historians, aren't you?
918
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,760
- Yeah. Oh, completely.
- It strikes me this is quite
sophisticated.
919
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,680
You've got to know a bit about Tudor
history in order to get the jokes.
920
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,480
Do you think you're sending away a
new, more educated generation
921
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,320
of young historians?
922
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,080
- Well, I mean, I hope so.
923
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,600
You obviously need to know a little
bit of context, but actually,
924
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,520
I think, what I kind of hope people go
away from the show with
925
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,240
is not just a sense of them knowing
more about these specific women,
926
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:59,720
but also understanding the way in
which we've been taught history
927
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:02,560
and understood history has been very
patriarchal for a long time.
928
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,160
I guess, it's about how kind of
women...women's actions get
929
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,280
misconstrued or analysed in a
different way to men's.
930
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,560
So, for example, Anne Boleyn being
like calculating and manipulative,
931
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,080
if those qualities were in a man,
they'd potentially be
932
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,040
kind of being savvy, and political and
charismatic, I guess.
933
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,640
- Anne Boleyn's reputation will no
doubt continue to be rewritten,
934
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:29,960
and the story of Henry VIII and his
six wives
935
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,960
will go on pulling in the crowds.
936
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,240
But it shouldn't blind us to the wider
political legacy
937
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:38,040
of the Reformation, because Henry's
break with Rome
938
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,280
caused a lasting schism.
939
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,320
And now Britain is breaking away from
Europe all over again.
940
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,720
Adrian, what parallels do you see
between the Reformation and Brexit?
941
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:51,560
- The most striking parallel, I think,
942
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,320
is this idea that we are better off on
our own,
943
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,680
we're better off out,
944
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:56,880
and essentially national sovereignty
and the will of the people
945
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,960
should prevail over anything else.
946
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:02,240
So, at the time of the Reformation, it
was about the Catholic Church
947
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:05,000
being corrupt, being decadent, being
over centralised
948
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,200
and not really, sort of, being to our
benefit.
949
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,800
And now it's about the EU being
undemocratic,
950
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,880
potentially authoritarian and, sort
of, riding roughshod
951
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,480
over what people really need and want.
952
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,640
The Reformation reinforced the sense
that Britain is separate
953
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,600
rather than actually seeing Britain as
part
954
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,680
of a wider European continent.
955
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,680
And I think that's where EU scepticism
has its deep roots
956
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,080
in the Reformation.
957
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,440
- So it all happened in the 1530s.
958
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,600
That's when a lot of these seeds were
planted
959
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,960
that are still shooting up to the sky
today.
960
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,880
- If you're looking for the origins of
Brexit,
961
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,720
look no further than Henry VIII.
962
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,680
- Henry VIII and Thomas Cromwell used
a dodgy reading of history
963
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,960
to spin a story about a proud and
independent nation.
964
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,560
One that was separate from the
Catholic world
965
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,400
and separate, too, from the Protestant
nations of Europe.
966
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,000
And this is still a powerful vision of
history,
967
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,480
one that sees Britain flourishing
without interference
968
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,960
from its European neighbours.
969
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,560
That view has informed
970
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,240
the way we've done business with
Europe ever since.
971
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:14,680
From Churchill's post-war insistence
972
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,880
that we were with Europe but not of
it,
973
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,160
to Margaret Thatcher's rejection of
the Maastricht Treaty in 1990.
974
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,960
- No. No. No.
975
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,320
- And for many, the idea of Britain as
an exceptional island nation
976
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:34,120
is as strong as ever.
977
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:35,840
For them, Henry's Reformation was the
making of this country
978
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,120
and can be again.
979
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,880
- I think, outside, we will do
incredibly well.
980
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,800
It's like another Reformation.
981
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,480
It will be the same explosion of
talent and opportunity.
982
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,680
- Right, Mr Duncan Smith...
- It's a new Reformation.
983
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,720
- The story of Henry VIII's break with
Rome
984
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,800
so he could get his divorce and marry
Anne Boleyn
985
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,120
has been entertaining us for centuries
986
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,880
and that's because it's a fabulous
royal soap opera.
987
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,080
- Brexit!
- When do we want it?
- Now!
988
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,440
- But now, that issue of breaking so
decisively with Europe
989
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,960
is once again taking centre stage,
990
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,760
and it's partly because of those myths
that Henry and Cromwell
991
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,920
started spinning in the 16th century.
992
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,880
They are still splitting the country
to this day.
993
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,320
Next time -
994
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:27,840
Elizabeth I and her navy defeat an
invincible Spanish Armada.
995
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:32,520
A valiant Virgin Queen rallies her
troops
996
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,600
and puts England on the map.
997
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,520
But how much of this ripping yarn is
true?
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