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Here's what the Church of
Scientology

has to say about Mike Rinder.

The church disputes many of the
statements

made by Mike Rinder.

Rinder's dishonesty and
malfeasance

caused the church numerous
problems

that took years and millions of
dollars to correct.

Ultimately, the intervention

of the ecclesiastical leader

was needed to clean up

Rinder's final and greatest
mess,

resulting in his removal in
disgracein 2002.

Years later, he ramains
bitter and angry

for the humiliation he endured
as a result

and refuses to accept personal
responsibility

for any of his actions.

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This is your daughter.
Mm-hmm.

"I'm utterly mortified

and disgusted to see
what you've been doing,

attempting to stop Scientology,

something that helps
so many people."

"You're not worried about me.

You don't care about me
or Benjamin or Mom or anyone.

You hate other people
and you hate us, too,

and that couldn't be clearer.

You don't respect
anything I believe,

and luckily, I didn't
turn out like you."

Woman: Wow.

"I help people
and feel good when I do.

I'm a caring person,
a Scientologist.

You cannot deal
with the truth

and you negate it due
to your own crimes,

crimes of not doing your job

and instead being lazy
and incompetent.

It was embarrassing.

It was so embarrassing
being your daughter."

I don't even
want to read this.

I wish I had a dad
like you, Mike.

I am the writer
of the textbooks of Scientology.

The aim and goal is to put man
in a-a mental condition,

where he him...
can solve his own problems.

Scientology is the belief

that you can better your mind,

but you're also
helping this planet

be a better place.

Without any Scientology
organization,

things are not going
to change on this planet.

Woman: After years of slowly
questioning Scientology...

Man: Leah Remini in her very
public break with Scientology...

I didn't want to find out

that what I had done
my whole life was a lie.

Fight for your family.

Fight for your daughters,
your sons.

Get them out of this thing.

You're not going
to continue to lie to people

and abuse people

and take their money
and their lives.

If I can stop one,
then I'm going to do it.

Thank you so much.

- How are you doing?
- Good, you?

- Good.
- Good, thank you.

It's interesting to be here.

Clearwater is like
the Mecca of Scientology.

Anybody I meet here,
so far, like, I'm like,

is this person
a Scientologist, like,

our sound guy,
he's from Clearwater.

I'm like why is he
from Clearwater?

Who does he know here?

Does he have a cousin?
Does he have a wife?

Does he have a sister
who is in Scientology?

You know, that's
what I'm thinking.

Well, we'll find out
in a minute.

Oh, my God,
this is so weird.

I mean, you know
they can see us, right?

They've got cameras
beyond belief.

These are all little
Sea Org members, you know.

These young kids,
and that's what I was.

I was younger than that girl.

You know what I mean?

I want to, like,
save these people.

I want to, like, go,
"Come with me now."

Right now, we're going
to Mike Rinder's house.

So far, my involvement with Mike

on this project
has been as a consultant.

What stories
are we going to tell

that make people understand

how people get involved
in Scientology?

Why they stay?

Why people disconnect
from their children?

To Mike's personal story.

My name is Mike Rinder.

I was a Scientologist
for 46 years.

I was the International
Spokesperson for Scientology

for more than 20 years
until I left in 2007.

Please welcome Mr. Mike Rinder.

Part of my job was to discredit
and destroy critics

who spoke out
against the Church.

If the Church believed
that someone was an enemy

and needed to be silenced
or destroyed,

it was my job, and I did it.

If I was told to follow someone,
I made it happen.

If I was told
to discredit someone,

dig up dirt on them,

get their backgrounds
investigated,

I made it happen.

Everything from following them

24 hours a day
to having people

camped outside their home

to people knocking
on their door...

Woman: Okay, I'm going
to say it one more time.

You are on my property.
You can leave now.

...to being vilified
on the Internet

to following them
wherever they travel.

- I was the guy.
- You can't do that.

Mike:
I feel bad about the people

that got hurt as
a result of my actions,

but I feel it's important
to tell the truth

of what really goes on
behind the scenes,

what really is happening
in Scientology.

Whoo.

How are you?

- Hi, honey, I'm here.
- Hi.

- You made it.
- Hi, gorgeous lady.

Christie: Good to see you.

Did you always know
you were going to speak out?

No, I didn't know that
I was going to speak out.

It took me a while to...

to decide that it was
the right thing to do.

- The rea... Well...
- Why? was the...

Because after I left,

my mother stayed
in touch with me,

and she was pretty old.

She had had
a heart transplant already,

and I was worried
that if I spoke out publicly,

it might
literally kill her.

Mike: I grew up in Australia.

My parents got into Scientology

when I was about six years old.

They were very early
adopters of Scientology.

Back then, there were
governments around the world

who were investigating

and going after Scientology
as a cult.

When I was growing up,
there was an inquiry

that was held in Australia.

The ultimate conclusion of it

was the practice
of Scientology is harmful.

It's detrimental to society.

So, therefore, it's banned.

You know, I look back on it
and I think it

sort of was the foundation

of this... this mind-set
in Scientology

of it's us against the world.

That was ultimately why
I joined the Sea Organization

when I was 18.

I joined with the idea
that I was going to be trained

as an executive in Scientology,
to defend Scientology,

to help it grow.

I wanted to go and be where
L. Ron Hubbard was,

which, at the time,
was on the Apollo,

the ship that was
in the Mediterranean.

The Apollo is a ship that
L. Ron Hubbard purchased in 1968

to be his floating headquarters
for Scientology.

He was under heavy attack
in the United Kingdom,

which is where he was
living at the time,

and decided
that the safest place

to be was at sea

where you can raise your anchor

and sail out into
international waters

and nobody has
any jurisdiction over you.

I gradually sort of progressed
up the ranks

to various different positions,
and ultimately,

I became the head of
the Commodore's Messenger Org.

Commodore's Messengers
are the people

who work directly for
L. Ron Hubbard,

so the messengers
became his personal assistants

and ultimately became the people
that ran Scientology.

I was one of the first
8 or 10 people,

and I gradually became
the head

of the Office of Special Affairs
for the world.

The Office of Special Affairs

had the responsibilities
of dealing

with legal cases,

dealing with government
relations,

dealing with public relations,

and dealing with enemies
of the Church.

The objective of that part
of the Church that deals

with "enemies"...
Mm-hmm.

also, which I used to be
the head of...

Mm-hmm.
is to get rid of "attackers."

A policy called Fair Game.

Nobody knows the policy
of Fair Game

better than the one
who used to enforce it,

and that's Mike Rinder.

Fair Game is the idea

that anybody
who is an enemy

or a critic of Scientology

may have anything done
to them with the idea

that the ends
justifies the means.

And there was a bunch
of writings

by L. Ron Hubbard
that described

how you get rid
of an attacker.

It basically says that you can
do anything...

Yeah.
to a critic or an enemy of Scientology...

Mm.
and not be subjected

to any form
of Scientology justice.

- Justice.
- Or ethics handling...

- Right.
- ...as a result.

Leah: But the Church claims
that policy has been...

- Cancelled.
- ...cancelled.

It was cancelled for PR reasons.
Mm-hmm.

And that this does not
change the treatment of SPs,

Suppressive Persons.

Mike: The Church says
the Fair Game policy

was cancelled but carries
on just as it did before.

The videos of
the intimidation tactics,

the cameras in people's faces.

And nobody gives a
about you. That's the truth.

It's the smear sites
that are on the Internet

that are put up
by the Church.

Man: It's actually illegal
to picket residential premises.

You're committing
suppressive acts.

Leah: The Church has definitely
set up

that the evil is anyone
who opposes Scientology.

If you are attacking Scientology
or criticizing Scientology,

you are evil, period.
No grey area.

Mike: And nobody understands
what goes on better than me

because I was in that position
of being the one

that was responding on
behalf of the Church.

Come on, Marty.
Got anything to say?

Man: Nazi criminal,
go back to Germany!

Hi, we like freedom of religion.

Mike: So I knew that the minute
that I spoke out,

I'm someone to be destroyed.

- Hi.
- Shane brain.

- Hi.
- Hi, sweetie.

- Hi.
- Give me a hug.

- How was school?
- Good.

Yeah?
Hey, buddy, what'd you get?

- Hi, bud.
- What's that?

- Shane got a fist.
- This is Leah, Shane.

- This is Leah.
- Hi.

- You didn't meet her before.
- How are you?

- Good.
- Good.

You know, I look
at how I view my wife

and family now.

There is nobody
that could persuade me

that anything

is more important
than my family.

But that's, I guess,
is the difference in my mind-set

and the difference
in my attitude toward

what's important in life

now compared
to what it was like then.

I met my ex-wife
Cathy on board the Apollo.

I was 19, and then
we got married in 1976

when we came here to Clearwater,

and in January of 1978,

our daughter Taryn was born.

I didn't have that
much interaction with her.

She was in the nursery
all day long.

Cathy and I worked.

We would see her
for an hour a day

and then at the end
of the night.

Leah: The core belief of
Scientology

is that you are
a spiritual being,

that you have lived many lives

and you will live many lives.

So your mother is really not
your mother.

I mean, she's your mother
this lifetime,

but you're going
to have many mothers.

So they put very
little significance

on interpersonal relationships

between family members
and the same with marriage.

Mike: Scientology teaches that
you are doing something that

is more important,
and it is so important

and so vital that nothing
can distract you from it.

Benjamin was born in 1983,

and by that time, we were in LA,

and he too was raised
in the Sea Organization.

My biggest regret and something

that I can't change now

is that I caused two children

to be born into
and raised in Scientology.

I effectively lost them

because I brought them
into the world

and raised as Scientologists.

David Miscavige
is the Chairman of the Board

of Religious Technology Center.

He is the undisputed dictator
of Scientology.

With David Miscavige,

it is way less
a spiritual activity

than it is a money making
activity.

Things at the International
Base had degenerated.

It was very,
very Stalin-esque,

and in the year 2000,

things really started
to go downhill,

and the conditions became
incredibly oppressive,

and then, a couple of years
later, The Hole started.

The Hole is a building
that David Miscavige

designated at the International
Headquarters of Scientology

in Hemet where myself
and eventually about 100 people

were locked in two
double-wide trailers,

sleeping on the floor,

eating slop 24/7 in a building

that had a security guard
at the front door and bars

on the windows
to prevent anybody

from escaping,
to beat one another up

until they confess
to their crimes.

People were put
in The Hole because,

for whatever reason,
they displeased David Miscavige.

Honestly, the reasons for that

could have been anything

from answering
a question wrongly,

not answering a question,

a facial expression
that was inappropriate,

falling asleep after being up
for a couple of days.

I menything...
whim you're in The Hole.

In addition to that,
I was one of the people

that was a-a primary
target of Miscavige,

physical btings routinely.

The first time it happened,

he called for me
to come up to the...

the officer's lounge.

I walked up and was about
to knock on the door,

and he comes barreling out
and punches me

and then puts me in a headlock

and throws me into the bushes

and is beating away on me
in the...

while I'm sprawled
in the bushes.

I was stuck.

I had no idea
that this was coming.

Of the years, anywhere
from 50 to 100 times,

he would assault me, attack me,

hit me, punch me,
kick me, whatever.

I look back and I go, yeah,
so why just take it?

And there's a few reasons
why you just take it.

One is you believe
that you did something wrong.

Two, you're in a mind-set
that you go, well,

I've caused upset

to Mr. Miscavige,

and this is
a-a-a terrible state of affairs.

He shouldn't be upset.
He's the leader of Scientology.

Understand that when
you're talking

about David Miscavige,
to a Scientologist,

you're talking to someone
like the Pope.

It's like hearing the Pope
slaps people around.

Mike:
In 2006, BBC Panorama

assigned a reporter,
John Sweeney,

to do a program
about Scientology,

and particularly the fact

that the leader of Scientology,

David Miscavige,
was physically abusing people.

Leah: I was told a lot of
information

about John Sweeney
by my Church.

He's attacking your Church.

He's attacking the leader
of your Church,

and when I asked Mike
and my Church about it,

they were like, "Oh, my God,
this guy's an SP.

What do you give a
what he's saying?

He's ridiculous.
He is an alcoholic.

Miscavige had me
pulled out of The Hole

and charged me
with the responsibility

of stopping the BBC

from ever airing any program
about Scientology

and most particularly
stopping them

from ever airing any allegations

that Miscavige had
physically assaulted anyone.

This was an opportunity for me
to get back in good graces,

to get out of The Hole.

I mean, I'd been there
for almost two years,

that if I came out
and I did a good job of this,

I would be able
to extricate myself

from being a prisoner
in The Hole

and go back to
somewhat normal life

as a servant of
the Sea Organization.

John Travolta was having
a premiere of his movie

"Wild Hogs" in London,

and the concern that Miscavige
had was that John Sweeney

would get into
the Four Seasons Hotel,

where they were doing
the press junket.

So I to then quickly, alone,

get on a plane to London
and brief John Travolta

and his PR people and security
to be on the lookout

for the bald lunatic
that was John Sweeney.

John Sweeney showed up
at the Tottenham Court Road

Church facility.

John Sweeney started asking me,

"I've been told that you
personally were beaten."

Those allegations
are absolute, utter rubbish.

Absolute, utter rubbish!

Standing in front
of a camera

and having someone say
to you, "I've been told

that you've been
beaten by this man.

Is that true?" and denying it.

It was sort of another

one of those
moments of clarity

that I eventually had.

I went, you know what?
This is nuts.

Miscavige considered
that I failed

because the program
ultimately aired.

He said, "You're a screw-up.

This is just another
one of your failures,

so you're going to be
sent to Western Australia,

and you're never seeing
the rest of your family again.

I was now no longer doing
anything that remotely resembled

what I believed
I had joined the Sea Org for,

and the reason
that I had stayed was

because of my children,

my wife, my mother, my brother,

my sister, and that if I left,

I would lose all of them.

It got to the point though now

where the staying
was becoming more

and more like leaving.

In the consequences,

I'm not going to be
with my family in any way,

shape, or form,
and of being told

you're going to be
in purgatory forever.

And at that point,
I went, you know what?

I've got nothing
to lose anymore.

I picked up my briefcase.

I walked out the front door

and then started running
to the tube station.

I looked around to see
if they'd figured out

that I had just walked out
without an escort.

I bought a ticket for the tube,

got on the train,
and went...

I'm done, I'm out.

who I had known
for a very long time

and he had left
the Sea Organization,

and who I was responsible
for monitoring

because he was considered
to be a potential threat.

So I knew where he worked.

And I called him at work
and I said, "Tom,

I'm in London,
I don't have anywhere to go.

Can I come to where
you're living?"

And he said, "Yes, of course."

I was prepared for the fact,
at that time,

that once I left, my children

and my former wife
would never speak to me again.

I hoped that they would follow,

but I knew
that there was a likelihood

that they would not,
but I just couldn't keep going.

I had been married to my wife
for 31 years when I left.

I asked to be able
to speak to her.

I didn't have
the opportunity to.

She sent me a-a handwritten
letter saying " you.

I'm filing a divorce."

My children
disconnected from me.

I understood why they did it.

I understood that
they really had no choice.

They know no life
outside of Scientology,

and I feel a responsibility

for having created
that circumstance.

No church, no organization

should have the power
to break up a family.

A few other people
had spoken already

to the reporters from
the "St. Pete Times,"

and the Church
was saying they're all liars.

And so my original
compromise

was I will
sit down with you,

and I will go
over everything,

but I don't want to be
on the record.

But then there was a series

of events that
happened with

Monique Yingling and staff
coming and trying to tell me

that I was, you know,
doing wrong

by confirming information
that the "St. Pete Times" had.

Monique Yingling, a lawyer,

not even a Scientologist,
started with,

"Well, don't you ever want
to speak to your children again?

Don't you ever want to speak
to your family again?"

Which was kind of
the last straw,

and I said, "You know,
Monique,

both of my children
disconnected from me

when I left the Sea Org,

so when you start thinking
that you're going to use

that to try and control
what I do, you.

Get on a plane,
go back to wherever

you came from, we're done."

And that was when I went on the
record in the "St. Pete Times."

The series of articles
called "The Truth Rundown"

came out in 2009.

It was the first time

that former high-level defectors

from the Church... Jeff Hawkins,

Marty Rathbun, me, Tom DeVocht,

Amy Scobee,

and a number of others...
had stepped forward.

It broke a lot of ground
about what was really going on

behind the scenes
in Scientology.

Just before "The Truth Rundown"
series went to print,

I get a series of letters from
all the members of my family...

my ex-wife, my children,
my brother,

my sister, nieces,
nephews, and my mother.

At that point, I knew that there
was not going to be

any further nice Christmas cards

or friendly letters
from my mother with pictures

of, you know,
other family members

or anything like that.

That that was it.

Parishioners
are taught very early on,

you do not question
the Church of Scientology.

Questioning anything you've read
about the Church of Scientology

means you are an enemy.

You are... You are taking on now

the colors of an enemy
to the Church.

When I spoke out in
the "St. Petersburg Times,"

I became public enemy
number 1 or 2

in the world of Scientology.

I knew that if
I started speaking out,

I would have to go find
other employment, too,

because I was working
at a car dealership.

I knew that if the Church wanted
to go after me, the one thing

that they could do
was send picketers

outside of this dealership.

So I left.

I ended up back in Clearwater

because I got a job offer

and there was an advantage
to being in Clearwater,

to me, which was I believed that

if anybody was going
to leave the Sea Org,

it would be my son, and the fact

that I am 15 minutes away

from where he is
is a factor

in why do I continue
to live there.

So, when you first
moved into this house,

you were "Fair Gamed."

Yeah.

Mike: Hello?
Don't... Don't... Hey...

- Hey, dude, don't touch him.
- Hey, don't touch me.

- Yeah, don't touch me.
- Hey, come on.

He's not touching you.
Take a picture of the...

Mike: I know that there is
going to be people

who will say things
that are just outrageous,

made-up lies in order
to try and discredit me.

That's the standard policy
of Scientology.

I know that there
will be efforts

to get inside my head

and intimidate me
into not speaking out

by putting up websites.

They will take
every little thing

that I have ever said,

they will find anything
that I have ever done,

and they will take that
and expand it into,

oh, this was some
monstrous crime.

When I was in hospital,
when I was getting married,

when I was needing help
on any part of my life

in any situation,
he was never there.

Now my daughter will say,

oh, I was always lazy

and she was embarrassed
to be my daughter.

Well, it's funny
that never came up

when I was in the Church.

My own brother would say
that I did anything

if the Church tells him,

"Oh, we know that Mike did X,
Y and Z."

Even though I grew up with him

and I spent my entire life
with him

and he knows
that that's not true,

because the Church now tells him

that that's the case,
he will now say that.

Ultimately, he is who he is

and that is someone
who is quite evil.

And multiple people have also
said that they saw Mike Rinder

bearing the brunt
of David Miscaviges' rage.

Mike Rinder...
Mr. Miscavige

never laid a hand
on Mike Rinder.

I lived with Mike Rinder
for over 35 years.

I know every square
inch of Mike Rinder's body.

I-I've been with him, we've been
together all our lives.

They believe wholeheartedly that
their eternity depends upon

the well-being
of Scientology,

that if they don't follow
the party line,

they are forsaking

their only hope
at eternal spiritual salvation.

And then, at a very much
more pragmatic level,

they will have nowhere
to live, no one feeding them.

They won't have someone
to send them to the doctor.

They won't have anything

because they rely on the Church

to provide all of that for them.

For a long time,
it was really nutty.

I was being followed
everywhere I went.

One of them rammed
into the back of my car.

- There's no damage to your car.
- Okay, go ahead and have the...

- You damaged our car...
- Tell the police I need...

- ...by tailgating us...
- ...a police report on a...

- ...all day long...
- ...on a, uh, accident.

...and then ramming
into our back.

I heard about Fair Game
while I was in the church,

then I was told that it...

that that policy
didn't exist anymore.

And then they showed me the
policy, that it was cancelled.

So that's enough
to squash any fears

that you have that Fair Game
is in existence.

The garbage man came
and knocked on our door

and said, "I-I feel really bad
but I need to tell you

that I'm being paid

by a private investigator
to steal your trash."

What?!

Mike: The truck number
is 309927.

Another guy is
taking the garbage.

Hey, who're you
getting that for?

- Huh?
- Who are you getting that for?

That's my garbage.

- It ain't your garbage.
- Yeah, it is.

- Who are you?
- Mike Rinder.

This came from my house.

- Oh, I don't think so.
- Oh, I sure so.

I video'd it.

Mike: I-I said,
"What did they tell you?"

And he said they told us
what they were investigating us

for having a drug-running
operation out of our home.

What did they hope
to find in the garbage?

Phone numbers of people,
who you've been talking to.

Travel plans.

- Right, anything.
- Anything.

Leah: The Church of Scientology
will hire private investigators

at $10,000 a week.

That's the - up
part of it.

Or maybe you don't
smoke marijuana,

or perhaps you
do smoke marijuana.

It's sophomoric and vitriolic.

It's... It's...
It's so many words

I can't... Like that a per...
a human being,

a grown-up person

claiming to be part of a Church

that has all the answers

and... and are the epitome
of morality.

This is what they're doing.

Mike: It was on the highway.
Why are you following me?

Man: Get away from me,
I'm calling the police!

Good, go ahead.
Why are you following me?

I'm calling the police.

Leah: You are allowing the bully
to get away with behavior

that shouldn't be coming
from a Church.

It's not some little kid
behind a computer.

We're talking about a church.

I don't give a
what they do,

but they shouldn't be doing that

and hurting people

and trying to destroy
their lives.

You don't want to talk on camera?
I... I...

Well, why you got... You're sending
guys around with cameras all the time.

I'm not sending
anybody around.

Mike: There is now evidence
of you in two states

using electronic
surveillance.

You come around...

That's a violation
of federal law.

Are you aware of that?

You were Fair Gamed
at... at your job.

You were Fair Gamed
at the other house,

and what happened there?

They showed up with video
cameras across the street.

- You don't know who I am?
- Say your name.

My name is Dave Lubow.
I'm a private investigator,

and I'm investigating
you on your actions

against the Church
of Scientology.

Now, are you saying
we're too close to your house?

Mike: I'm saying
you're harassing me.

- Across the street.
- You're in front of our house.

- That's harassment.
- We're across the street.

We're not on your property.
We're across the street.

They would follow me
and Christie wherever we went.

And... And calling the cops
means what?

We called the police, and they
said it's not against the law.

They were standing in the
street, and they're allowed

to film and there was nothing
that could be done about it.

And then they showed up
another time

when we were
at a doctor's office

and I was inside with...

I had a doctor's appointment,
and Mike was waiting for me

outside in the car,
and his...

his brother, his daughter,
and a bunch of senior...

- Ex-wife.
- His ex-wife.

And Jinny Linson
and Guillaume Lesevre

and Dave Bloomberg
and Sue Paquette all showed up,

and I happened
to be on the phone,

and this was...
this was funny.

I happened to be on the phone
with John Sweeney from the BBC,

and he recorded it.

Just audio, but they show up,
started screaming at me.

They were screaming at him
so loud

that I could hear it
from inside

and was starting to get worried,
like, what's going on?

Is that... I hear Mike
and I hear voices and so...

Unbelievable.

They... Then they came into
the doctor's office,

and then the doctor
was asking them to leave

and then we called
the police again.

Cathy, his ex-wife
was doing this to me.

And like, "You little bitch.
You little bitch."

And I was like, you know,
"What do you want?"

What did she want?

- They wanted...
- I don't know.

They wanted to attempt
to intimidate me.

Th... What else happened?

They had a house set up
across the street with a woman

who was a private investigator
that they moved in there

with a kid
to befriend Christie

who was spying on us
and had cameras in her house.

Wait, so how long
did this go on?

Six months.
She...

- Yeah.
- I was, like, friendly with her.

Like, I-I invited her
to my baby shower.

She brought me gifts.

She seemed lonely.
She was out on the street.

We'd be out walking
the dog with Shane,

and she'd be out there
with her little kid

who is the same age
as Shane and...

What did you do
when you found out?

Well, I eventually started
being really suspicious

of this woman because I...

Because when we moved here,
she moved.

And she moved
to this neighborhood.

- What?!
- Yeah, and then I was like,

"Mike, there's something
really wrong with this,"

and I said I think
she's a plant.

I think she's been
planted there by the Church.

And then she disappeared
and we never saw her again.

So then you move
into this house.

So then we moved
into this house.

And then you find out
that there's a bird...

There's a... There's a camera
in a birdcage... in a bird box.

Well, that was after we got
an anonymous letter

in our mailbox...
Mm-mm.

saying you shouldn't be
associating with your neighbor.

And I go, "Wait a minute.
Where are they watching from?"

Mm-hmm.

So I walked up
around the street,

and I went, oh, right there.

There's a stupid birdhouse
that I've seen 100 times,

never even given
a second thought to.

And so I went and got a ladder,
and I walked over there

and I opened the lid,
and there's a camera inside

of the birdhouse
pointing at our house.

I'm going to zoom in here
because you can see

down the end,
where I'm going to head to,

is a pole

with what appears to be
a birdhouse on the top of it.

We're going to go down
and investigate

what's actually
in that birdhouse.

And here is the camera inside
of this funny birdhouse.

They're allowed
to install cameras

and take pictures, Mike,
o-of private houses?

- It's not illegal.
- It's not illegal? So I...

Mike, so I can come here in the
middle of the night and put...

You can... No. You can say...
You can say that

the camera was to watch
the front of the house.

It's basically the same.
Everything is on the edge of...

- The law.
- ...what is legal

but not on... really
on the edge of what's moral.

Right.

It's intended
to create a negative effect.

Idea about you guys.

Like, so, even
if one of your neighbors

thought you were a wife beater
or a child molester,

- they've done their job.
- Right.

- Correct.
- Right.

you.

The whole game, like, that
they've been running and been

getting away with, it's done.

Like, your game is done.

You... You... You played
your role, and now

you're going to be exposed for
the that you did.

Leah: You fought for the church

because you believed
in what you were doing.

- Correct.
- You're fighting now

against the church

because you know,
ultimately, the truth,

and so you're on the right side
of that fight now.

That's correct. Yeah.

Leaving does weigh on me,
of course, it does.

My mother's dead now,

and when she died,
nobody even told me.

My brother didn't tell me
because he's disconnected.

My children didn't tell me.

I got it in an e-mail
from somebody

that I've never even heard of
who said, you know,

"I just want to let you know
that your mother died."

And whenever I've ever
gotten to the point

where I got, like, tired
of the whole thing,

and can we just
stop talking it

and just put it all away,
and he says,

"But I have
my kids in there."

- And it's like...
- That I put there.

- Right.
- And it's like he could...

- Like, that's part of it, too.
- Yeah.

As a mother, like,
that really hits me.

- Yeah.
- So I'm like, "Okay. I get it."

I'm somewhat
of an eternally idiotic

optimist that I hope sometime
that my brother or my son

or my daughter will decide

that something is wrong
and reach out to me.

I think more likely to happen is

that the Church of Scientology

will implode and its implosion

will be what will result in them

eventually reaching out
or contacting me.

If I didn't believe
that that was possible,

then I would be wasting my time

doing this
or anything else that I do.

So I believe that it's possible.

I mean, Mike, I-I've talked
to you off camera, you know,

and I've told you,
"Stop all this

you know, and live your life."

And you're like, "I can't.
These people need me."

You know, I really admire it.

I want people to know
that about you.

If I can help one person

who I may have harmed
in the past or prevent

someone from being harmed
in the future,

a family from being harmed
in the future,

this'll all be worth it.

I'm sorry for what you guys
have been through. I really am.

It's just a lot, Mike.
I want you guys to...

- I know you do.
- He's not going to stop.

...get your families back,
you know.

He's not going to stop.
I mean, it's just...

I know. I just want... I want
your families to, you know...

I just want for you
to have what you deserve.

You don't deserve this,
you know.

Nobody deserves to have
their family torn apart

because of a belief system.

- Bye, you guys.
- Bye.

Thank you again.

This is abusing people
spiritually

and robbing people
of their lives.

Fair Game is something that
I'm passionate about exposing.

This is not some little thing.

This Church is not just
running around being annoying

and hiring a few Pls.

These people are actively
destroying people's lives

or attempting to.

There's always a piece of me
that just wants to move on.

I feel that, at times, it's too
big of a mountain to climb,

and I don't know if I can
actually do anything about it.

But then I get, you know,
incensed over it...

...and I just hope that we do
something good here.

You know, I really do.
I hope we do something good.

What I'm seeing is the Church
continually trying to bully

and discredit
every single person

who's telling their story
that is true.

I'm saying now, I'm going to
help these people have a voice,

and so bully me
and see how far you get.

OO Mike: The other dark side
of Scientology

is taking people's money.

We're talking hundreds
of thousands of dollars.

Paying someone $800 an hour
to sit and interrogate you.

Leah: She has had her family
destroyed because she stood up

and said, "No,
you have lied to me."

They... They'll close the doors.

- Yeah.
- And they won't let you out.

Went through
such mental brutality.

All the money we spent just
trying to hang on to my family.

Let's just stop.
Let's stop for a minute. Oh, my God!

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