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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,424 --> 00:00:09,091 - How old are you now? - 96. 2 00:00:09,092 --> 00:00:10,384 Yeah, 96. 3 00:00:10,385 --> 00:00:14,305 I'll be 97 next March. 4 00:00:14,389 --> 00:00:16,349 First match I went to 5 00:00:16,433 --> 00:00:20,728 was 1931. 6 00:00:20,729 --> 00:00:22,688 I was seven. 7 00:00:22,689 --> 00:00:25,441 So 90 years of following them? 8 00:00:25,442 --> 00:00:27,526 Up and down. 9 00:00:27,527 --> 00:00:29,820 Up and down. 10 00:00:29,821 --> 00:00:34,492 And a football team is not just a football team. 11 00:00:34,576 --> 00:00:38,329 It is something that really brings together 12 00:00:38,413 --> 00:00:41,749 the community in a way that nothing else does. 13 00:00:41,750 --> 00:00:43,626 There's a magic about football 14 00:00:43,710 --> 00:00:45,419 that not everyone will get, 15 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:48,255 but the die-hard Wrexham fans I know certainly get it. 16 00:00:48,256 --> 00:00:50,007 "Three brothers who will be going to Wembley 17 00:00:50,008 --> 00:00:55,096 to support Wrexham AFC with a combined age of 254 years." 18 00:00:55,180 --> 00:00:57,098 That's it. 19 00:00:57,182 --> 00:00:58,724 Had, uh, highs. 20 00:00:58,725 --> 00:01:00,559 I've had very lows. 21 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,604 It gives people a real sense of community 22 00:01:03,605 --> 00:01:05,356 and camaraderie 23 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,318 and belonging to something in a way that, without it, 24 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,362 they just wouldn't have. 25 00:01:11,446 --> 00:01:15,825 And-and-and how dare somebody come from outside the area 26 00:01:15,909 --> 00:01:18,912 and-and try to take that away from people? 27 00:01:23,917 --> 00:01:26,168 Every day, it's a-getting closer 28 00:01:26,169 --> 00:01:29,463 Going faster than a roller coaster 29 00:01:29,464 --> 00:01:34,593 Love like yours will surely come my way 30 00:01:34,594 --> 00:01:36,846 A-hey, a-hey-hey 31 00:01:36,930 --> 00:01:40,433 Every day, it's a-getting faster 32 00:01:40,517 --> 00:01:44,061 Everyone said, "Go ahead and ask her" 33 00:01:44,062 --> 00:01:48,774 Love like yours will surely come my way 34 00:01:48,775 --> 00:01:51,110 A-hey, a-hey-hey 35 00:01:51,111 --> 00:01:57,492 Love like yours will surely come my way 36 00:02:06,292 --> 00:02:08,878 Is it teatime for you now? 37 00:02:08,962 --> 00:02:10,755 Oh-ho-ho-ho. 38 00:02:10,839 --> 00:02:12,173 Are you hungry? 39 00:02:12,257 --> 00:02:14,843 Are you ready for your tea? 40 00:02:15,927 --> 00:02:20,389 Right, buddy, after we finish this... 41 00:02:20,390 --> 00:02:22,892 you're not going to be able to sit and watch telly. 42 00:02:22,976 --> 00:02:24,518 Mommy and Daddy have got to watch something 43 00:02:24,519 --> 00:02:26,103 on the telly. 44 00:02:26,104 --> 00:02:27,772 And it's about the football. 45 00:02:27,856 --> 00:02:29,096 Some people are worried 46 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:31,358 that Ryan Reynolds and his friend 47 00:02:31,359 --> 00:02:32,986 are just doing it to make money. 48 00:02:38,575 --> 00:02:40,159 So that's what people want to know: 49 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,869 why have they chosen Wrexham? 50 00:02:41,870 --> 00:02:43,746 Just to make sure that they're... 51 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:46,582 They're doing it for a reason that's a good reason. 52 00:02:46,583 --> 00:02:47,917 There were some people 53 00:02:48,001 --> 00:02:51,170 who bought Wrexham Football Club who didn't want it. 54 00:02:51,171 --> 00:02:53,589 They wanted to knock the football stadium down. 55 00:02:53,590 --> 00:02:55,382 They wanted to knock? 56 00:02:55,383 --> 00:02:57,510 So that they could make money. 57 00:03:02,724 --> 00:03:04,642 These are turbulent times 58 00:03:04,726 --> 00:03:06,477 for Wrexham Football Club. 59 00:03:06,561 --> 00:03:10,022 Its future is on a knife-edge amid talks of debts amounting 60 00:03:10,023 --> 00:03:13,317 to millions and asset stripping. 61 00:03:13,318 --> 00:03:16,237 Going back to the early 2000s, 62 00:03:16,321 --> 00:03:19,115 the football club had a number of challenges. 63 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:22,993 It had owners who, eh, who-who frankly that-that 64 00:03:22,994 --> 00:03:24,703 their sole reason for ownership 65 00:03:24,704 --> 00:03:27,039 was not for the betterment of the football club, 66 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,999 and the football club was in danger. 67 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,960 For the last two years, 68 00:03:31,044 --> 00:03:33,003 this club has been owned by one man, 69 00:03:33,004 --> 00:03:35,381 and tonight we unravel the truth 70 00:03:35,465 --> 00:03:38,343 behind rumors surrounding Alex Hamilton. 71 00:03:39,510 --> 00:03:41,846 Alex Hamilton was actually the-the owner 72 00:03:41,930 --> 00:03:44,932 of the football club, but another gentleman, eh, 73 00:03:44,933 --> 00:03:47,393 was, eh, was-was sort of fronting the ownership 74 00:03:47,477 --> 00:03:49,228 for a while, and-and we didn't know 75 00:03:49,229 --> 00:03:52,356 Alex Hamilton was in-in the background. 76 00:03:52,357 --> 00:03:54,024 Two years ago, Alex Hamilton 77 00:03:54,025 --> 00:03:57,111 bought the controlling share of Wrexham Football Club. 78 00:03:57,195 --> 00:03:58,946 Keeping his own identity secret, 79 00:03:58,947 --> 00:04:01,866 he installed a business associate as chairman. 80 00:04:01,950 --> 00:04:03,951 Mark Guterman was a controversial choice 81 00:04:03,952 --> 00:04:05,244 among fans. 82 00:04:05,245 --> 00:04:07,204 He'd already taken local rivals Chester 83 00:04:07,205 --> 00:04:09,123 into administration and relegated 84 00:04:09,207 --> 00:04:10,749 from the football league. 85 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:12,960 The club was sold to those two people, 86 00:04:12,961 --> 00:04:17,173 and their, uh, idea of what the value of this football club 87 00:04:17,257 --> 00:04:20,926 didn't really revolve around it being a football club. 88 00:04:20,927 --> 00:04:23,137 A former solicitor who lives here in Cheshire, 89 00:04:23,221 --> 00:04:25,598 Alex Hamilton was struck off by the Law Society 90 00:04:25,682 --> 00:04:27,183 two years ago for charges 91 00:04:27,267 --> 00:04:29,518 including allegations of mortgage fraud. 92 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:32,021 He appealed, and most of the charges against him, 93 00:04:32,105 --> 00:04:34,231 including the mortgage fraud, were withdrawn. 94 00:04:34,232 --> 00:04:35,941 Reinstated last year, 95 00:04:35,942 --> 00:04:39,195 Hamilton now describes himself as a property developer. 96 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:40,654 This was a time of, you know, 97 00:04:40,655 --> 00:04:43,282 a lot of redevelopment work going on around the UK. 98 00:04:43,283 --> 00:04:44,992 There was a bit more money flowing around again 99 00:04:44,993 --> 00:04:48,996 in the economy and people were looking for opportunities. 100 00:04:48,997 --> 00:04:51,290 Small football clubs are always financially vulnerable, 101 00:04:51,291 --> 00:04:53,876 and this has long been the case in England and Wales. 102 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,271 Wrexham were in that position now. 103 00:04:55,295 --> 00:04:56,712 They were vulnerable, 104 00:04:56,713 --> 00:04:58,839 and I think these guys spotted that vulnerability 105 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:01,050 and recognized that in this big stadium site 106 00:05:01,134 --> 00:05:03,219 that you have here, which is on the edge of town, 107 00:05:03,303 --> 00:05:06,013 it's a prime position potentially for redevelopment. 108 00:05:06,014 --> 00:05:08,766 The Racecourse is the premier sports ground 109 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:10,517 in North Wales. 110 00:05:10,518 --> 00:05:13,520 The Ground has a long history, and fans recently invested 111 00:05:13,521 --> 00:05:16,815 in its future by buying bricks in the new stand. 112 00:05:16,816 --> 00:05:18,901 There's lots of building work going on here. 113 00:05:18,985 --> 00:05:22,071 It's a prime site at the main gateway to the town. 114 00:05:22,155 --> 00:05:23,781 If it had planning permission, 115 00:05:23,865 --> 00:05:26,992 the Racecourse could be worth at least �10 million... 116 00:05:26,993 --> 00:05:29,245 just the kind of land a property developer 117 00:05:29,329 --> 00:05:31,247 might dream of finding. 118 00:05:36,252 --> 00:05:37,962 Well, the history, the present, 119 00:05:38,046 --> 00:05:40,297 and the future of Wrexham Football Club 120 00:05:40,298 --> 00:05:42,591 is interwoven with the Racecourse stadium. 121 00:05:42,592 --> 00:05:44,218 Without the Racecourse stadium, 122 00:05:44,302 --> 00:05:46,720 there is no Wrexham AFC. 123 00:05:46,721 --> 00:05:49,474 If the stadium goes, the football team goes. 124 00:05:52,310 --> 00:05:55,813 So the club doesn't currently own the Racecourse. 125 00:05:55,897 --> 00:06:00,734 We pay approximately $150,000 a year to lease the stadium. 126 00:06:00,735 --> 00:06:03,279 Moreover, the club is also on the hook for any updates, 127 00:06:03,363 --> 00:06:05,281 refurbishments, enhancements that we wanna do, 128 00:06:05,365 --> 00:06:07,157 and we've been able to do a few of those. 129 00:06:07,158 --> 00:06:09,660 But what we really wanna do is return the stadium 130 00:06:09,744 --> 00:06:13,247 to being the crown jewel of North Wales. 131 00:06:13,331 --> 00:06:15,416 But sadly, we have an entire stand called "the Kop" 132 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:17,543 that is, for all intents and purposes, condemned, 133 00:06:17,627 --> 00:06:19,378 and we can't do anything with that 134 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:23,882 until the club once again owns the Racecourse... 135 00:06:23,883 --> 00:06:26,844 which is proving to be... 136 00:06:26,928 --> 00:06:29,055 difficult? 137 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,474 Hey, Shaun? 138 00:06:32,475 --> 00:06:37,021 Can we get an update on, um, where we are with the purchase 139 00:06:37,105 --> 00:06:39,231 of the, uh, freehold for the Racecourse? 140 00:06:39,232 --> 00:06:42,776 Um, it's proving to be, uh, a challenge. 141 00:06:42,777 --> 00:06:44,987 The-the title deeds are old. 142 00:06:45,071 --> 00:06:48,615 The Land Registry plans aren't as clear as you'd hope. 143 00:06:48,616 --> 00:06:51,535 Um, we're just reviewing them all to get them all together, 144 00:06:51,536 --> 00:06:53,746 and we're gonna get there as quick as we can. 145 00:06:53,830 --> 00:06:55,391 There's nothing that we can do to... 146 00:06:55,415 --> 00:06:57,916 To maybe to help speed it up or-or expedite in some way? 147 00:06:57,917 --> 00:07:01,545 Well, some of these laws were drawn up in the 1400s, 148 00:07:01,546 --> 00:07:04,340 so they-they didn't anticipate 149 00:07:04,424 --> 00:07:06,467 the pace at which people would want to do things. 150 00:07:06,551 --> 00:07:08,635 It is frustrating, and it's annoying 151 00:07:08,636 --> 00:07:12,139 and, uh, it's hard to... It's hard to give you a... 152 00:07:12,140 --> 00:07:15,601 A rationale as to why it should take this long 153 00:07:15,685 --> 00:07:17,686 other than these things do. 154 00:07:17,687 --> 00:07:19,480 I mean, I-I'm all for due process, 155 00:07:19,564 --> 00:07:22,483 but we-we made a promise. 156 00:07:22,567 --> 00:07:24,526 It's in our original mission statement. 157 00:07:24,527 --> 00:07:26,653 The Racecourse needs to be back in club hands. 158 00:07:26,654 --> 00:07:29,073 Everybody wants it to be back in club hands. 159 00:07:29,157 --> 00:07:31,033 And yet months and months and months go by. 160 00:07:31,117 --> 00:07:32,659 And the-I-look, my frustration 161 00:07:32,660 --> 00:07:36,580 is that we can't start on the development process. 162 00:07:36,581 --> 00:07:38,999 Do we have a rough estimate as to when we'll have 163 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,335 some kind of answer? 164 00:07:41,419 --> 00:07:45,881 No, other than it can't take that much longer. 165 00:07:45,882 --> 00:07:48,217 - Holy... - I mean, it's just... 166 00:07:48,301 --> 00:07:49,510 It's Kafkaesque. 167 00:07:49,594 --> 00:07:51,637 Like, we are... We're-we're trapped. 168 00:07:51,721 --> 00:07:54,014 And what-and what's worse is we're even on record 169 00:07:54,015 --> 00:07:56,016 since we promised it that-that we're actually 170 00:07:56,017 --> 00:07:58,477 on with it and we've got everything in place. 171 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:01,313 I'm amazed we've not had any... Had any more questions 172 00:08:01,314 --> 00:08:04,566 from the public and the fans as to why it's taking... 173 00:08:04,567 --> 00:08:06,443 Why it's taking this length of time. 174 00:08:06,444 --> 00:08:09,863 Okay, well, I guess we'll talk later. 175 00:08:09,864 --> 00:08:11,115 Uh, bye, guys. 176 00:08:15,912 --> 00:08:17,014 Oh, he's all on his own. 177 00:08:17,038 --> 00:08:18,372 Can he make it five? 178 00:08:18,456 --> 00:08:20,582 We are, uh, one of the oldest clubs 179 00:08:20,583 --> 00:08:21,667 in the world. 180 00:08:24,170 --> 00:08:26,922 Uh, and that's quite impressive in itself. 181 00:08:26,923 --> 00:08:29,383 No doubt about that in terms of Wrexham. 182 00:08:29,467 --> 00:08:31,802 The Racecourse itself is the oldest existing 183 00:08:31,886 --> 00:08:35,722 international venue that still hosts football. 184 00:08:35,723 --> 00:08:38,767 Better football, better prospects 185 00:08:38,768 --> 00:08:41,145 to get what we so desire in Wrexham. 186 00:08:41,229 --> 00:08:42,646 The name "the Racecourse" 187 00:08:42,647 --> 00:08:45,774 was 'cause the venue was a racecourse. 188 00:08:45,775 --> 00:08:48,652 The local authorities wouldn't allow betting, 189 00:08:48,653 --> 00:08:50,904 and-and so the tenancy dropped off 190 00:08:50,905 --> 00:08:53,073 and-and the football took over... kept the name. 191 00:08:53,074 --> 00:08:55,617 Can he make it five? 192 00:08:55,618 --> 00:08:57,411 And Jones makes it five! 193 00:08:59,205 --> 00:09:02,083 It's just been our home for all our existence. 194 00:09:08,214 --> 00:09:10,048 When Alex Hamilton took over the club, 195 00:09:10,049 --> 00:09:11,216 the Ground was owned 196 00:09:11,217 --> 00:09:13,927 by Wolverhampton & Dudley Brewery. 197 00:09:13,928 --> 00:09:17,306 They leased it to the club for �1 a year. 198 00:09:17,390 --> 00:09:20,100 The club approached the brewery to buy the freehold. 199 00:09:20,101 --> 00:09:21,477 And the very same day 200 00:09:21,561 --> 00:09:23,228 that the brewery sold the Ground 201 00:09:23,229 --> 00:09:24,730 to Wrexham Football Club, 202 00:09:24,814 --> 00:09:27,483 it was immediately transferred to another company, 203 00:09:27,567 --> 00:09:28,859 Damens Limited. 204 00:09:28,943 --> 00:09:32,321 Damens is wholly owned by Alex Hamilton. 205 00:09:32,405 --> 00:09:34,281 So the Ground belonged to one company 206 00:09:34,282 --> 00:09:36,366 and the club belonged to another. 207 00:09:36,367 --> 00:09:40,246 But both were controlled by Alex Hamilton. 208 00:09:40,997 --> 00:09:44,124 Their idea was to separate the club 209 00:09:44,125 --> 00:09:47,127 from the stadium and then bulldoze the stadium 210 00:09:47,128 --> 00:09:50,047 and turn it into, um, into a profit. 211 00:09:52,425 --> 00:09:56,595 So they had, um, a plan, and it was a plan 212 00:09:56,596 --> 00:10:00,807 to basically kill the football club, effectively. 213 00:10:00,808 --> 00:10:03,310 They took all the investment out over a period 214 00:10:03,311 --> 00:10:05,854 so it wasn't overt initially. 215 00:10:05,855 --> 00:10:07,606 But it became apparent that things weren't... 216 00:10:07,607 --> 00:10:09,650 Bills weren't getting paid effectively. 217 00:10:09,734 --> 00:10:11,962 The Inland Revenue is currently charging the club 218 00:10:11,986 --> 00:10:14,696 �150 a day in interest 219 00:10:14,697 --> 00:10:18,159 on a debt of more than �800,000. 220 00:10:19,535 --> 00:10:21,912 Earlier this year, things got so bad 221 00:10:21,996 --> 00:10:24,122 the bailiffs were called in. 222 00:10:24,123 --> 00:10:25,624 They assessed the club's assets 223 00:10:25,625 --> 00:10:27,417 down to the last plastic seat, 224 00:10:27,418 --> 00:10:30,420 floodlight, and lawn mower. 225 00:10:30,421 --> 00:10:32,798 If the tax bill remains unpaid, 226 00:10:32,882 --> 00:10:35,133 those assets will be seized. 227 00:10:35,134 --> 00:10:36,552 You know, I couldn't believe 228 00:10:36,636 --> 00:10:39,972 that they would treat the fans like that. 229 00:10:40,056 --> 00:10:41,139 It's a... 230 00:10:41,140 --> 00:10:42,975 Sorry. 231 00:10:43,059 --> 00:10:44,768 You know, 'cause we loved it so much 232 00:10:44,769 --> 00:10:47,813 and they were just destroying it for money. 233 00:10:47,897 --> 00:10:52,109 And it was just so frustrating. 234 00:10:52,193 --> 00:10:56,113 Mr. Hamilton refused our requests for an interview. 235 00:10:56,197 --> 00:10:57,447 We went to the Racecourse, 236 00:10:57,448 --> 00:10:59,449 where he was attending a board meeting. 237 00:10:59,450 --> 00:11:01,368 Wales' Week In Week Out program. 238 00:11:01,369 --> 00:11:03,579 I wanted to ask you, are you sure that the transfer 239 00:11:03,663 --> 00:11:07,082 of the Racecourse Ground into your private campaign is legal? 240 00:11:07,083 --> 00:11:09,209 - We came here... - Can you answer that question? 241 00:11:09,210 --> 00:11:11,086 We came here to deal with 242 00:11:11,087 --> 00:11:13,172 - a son passing away. - Asset stripping as well. 243 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:16,719 Mr. Hamilton, please answer my questions. 244 00:11:16,801 --> 00:11:18,385 I came here to deal with one topic, 245 00:11:18,386 --> 00:11:21,597 which is a personal one of irregular support... 246 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:23,515 You've been in a board meeting. 247 00:11:23,516 --> 00:11:25,202 You've been in a board meeting. Mr. Hamilton, 248 00:11:25,226 --> 00:11:27,204 you are being accused of asset stripping this club. 249 00:11:27,228 --> 00:11:28,520 What do you have to say about that? 250 00:11:28,521 --> 00:11:31,106 - Gop. Total rubbish. - It's not rubbish. 251 00:11:31,107 --> 00:11:32,274 Why have you transferred 252 00:11:32,358 --> 00:11:33,775 the freehold of this club into your own... 253 00:11:33,776 --> 00:11:35,504 - Why have you transferred... - Excuse me a moment. 254 00:11:35,528 --> 00:11:37,738 - The freehold of this club... - Excuse me. 255 00:11:37,822 --> 00:11:39,216 Into your own company? Why have you done that? 256 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,075 I had to deal with passing away. 257 00:11:42,076 --> 00:11:43,996 Please stop and talk to us, Mr. Hamilton. 258 00:11:44,078 --> 00:11:45,412 These are really important issues 259 00:11:45,413 --> 00:11:48,123 we want to discuss with you. 260 00:11:48,124 --> 00:11:50,626 Mr. Hamilton was not at the funeral. 261 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:53,421 He was attending a directors' meeting at the club. 262 00:11:54,630 --> 00:11:56,465 Fans were getting worried. 263 00:11:56,549 --> 00:12:00,010 They organized mass opposition to Alex Hamilton's plans. 264 00:12:00,094 --> 00:12:01,845 He had dropped a bombshell. 265 00:12:01,846 --> 00:12:03,930 He said the Racecourse would have to be sold 266 00:12:03,931 --> 00:12:05,974 if the club was to survive. 267 00:12:05,975 --> 00:12:08,393 Last July, he served a legal notice on the club 268 00:12:08,394 --> 00:12:10,688 to leave the Racecourse within a year. 269 00:12:11,856 --> 00:12:14,399 After 130 years, 270 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,110 this season could be the last that Wrexham play there. 271 00:12:17,111 --> 00:12:18,320 We will not surrender! 272 00:12:20,906 --> 00:12:22,157 The supporters rallied round 273 00:12:22,158 --> 00:12:24,201 and really fought hard. 274 00:12:24,285 --> 00:12:25,869 And I was only a kid and we were walking round the Ground 275 00:12:25,870 --> 00:12:27,704 with-with banners and, you know, 276 00:12:27,705 --> 00:12:29,331 just anything to save your club. 277 00:12:29,415 --> 00:12:31,541 There was a lot of... 278 00:12:31,542 --> 00:12:34,086 You could call it guerrilla warfare really. 279 00:12:34,170 --> 00:12:35,754 It was a... 280 00:12:35,755 --> 00:12:38,549 A campaign that was taken to their front doorsteps. 281 00:12:41,886 --> 00:12:43,720 - The fans got together. - Mm, yep. 282 00:12:43,721 --> 00:12:44,971 - Yeah. - And said, "We'll have 283 00:12:44,972 --> 00:12:47,307 to do something drastic." 284 00:12:47,308 --> 00:12:49,059 - Yeah, we did. - Mm. 285 00:12:49,143 --> 00:12:50,519 And so we did. 286 00:12:50,603 --> 00:12:53,230 The fans gathered in the town in Cheshire 287 00:12:53,314 --> 00:12:55,440 just over the border, where Alex Hamilton lived, 288 00:12:55,441 --> 00:12:57,025 and they marched through the town 289 00:12:57,026 --> 00:12:58,568 protesting against his ownership 290 00:12:58,569 --> 00:13:00,237 of the football club. 291 00:13:00,321 --> 00:13:02,072 It signaled a declaration of war 292 00:13:02,156 --> 00:13:03,616 against the chairman. 293 00:13:05,493 --> 00:13:08,745 The very same day, Alex Hamilton responded. 294 00:13:08,746 --> 00:13:10,288 He'd walked up 295 00:13:10,289 --> 00:13:13,750 and started talking to a few people there. 296 00:13:13,751 --> 00:13:16,962 And this-this was in a week where he'd described the fans 297 00:13:17,046 --> 00:13:20,090 as lowlife scum, and there he was in the middle of 'em. 298 00:13:22,635 --> 00:13:23,927 Fans thought his actions 299 00:13:23,928 --> 00:13:26,847 were an attempt to incite trouble. 300 00:13:26,931 --> 00:13:28,932 We-we think he went on there 301 00:13:28,933 --> 00:13:31,017 in the hope that somebody would hit him, 302 00:13:31,018 --> 00:13:34,855 so that he could, uh, make a great political capital 303 00:13:34,939 --> 00:13:36,648 out of the fact that we were football hooligans 304 00:13:36,649 --> 00:13:38,067 and what have you. 305 00:13:39,777 --> 00:13:42,070 Hamilton has since been advised by the police 306 00:13:42,071 --> 00:13:45,407 not to attend home matches at his own club. 307 00:13:53,415 --> 00:13:55,083 In a fit of rage, 308 00:13:55,084 --> 00:13:57,586 he decided that he was gonna resign. 309 00:13:57,670 --> 00:14:00,088 And he scrawled it down on a napkin. 310 00:14:00,089 --> 00:14:02,048 Basically, I think, wrote, "I resign" 311 00:14:02,049 --> 00:14:04,760 and signed it "Alex Hamilton." 312 00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:06,386 That was him saying, "I want out," 313 00:14:06,387 --> 00:14:09,056 and that was them saying, "Great. Fine. Off you go." 314 00:14:13,394 --> 00:14:15,604 Hey, hi, hi, hi, hi. 315 00:14:15,688 --> 00:14:19,065 Have you heard from Shaun recently 316 00:14:19,066 --> 00:14:21,151 about the Racecourse purchase? 317 00:14:21,235 --> 00:14:22,402 Yeah. 318 00:14:22,403 --> 00:14:24,654 Yeah, it is taking a long, long, 319 00:14:24,655 --> 00:14:26,364 long, long, long fucking time. 320 00:14:26,365 --> 00:14:29,826 Um, but I also, you know, I also recognize 321 00:14:29,827 --> 00:14:32,662 that this is not a simple thing. 322 00:14:32,663 --> 00:14:34,414 I think the thing that drives me crazy 323 00:14:34,415 --> 00:14:37,083 is that this is not a process 324 00:14:37,084 --> 00:14:38,627 that is in place to protect people. 325 00:14:38,711 --> 00:14:40,921 In fact, the people that are getting fucked 326 00:14:41,005 --> 00:14:42,399 are the people that are marginalized 327 00:14:42,423 --> 00:14:44,007 that are the ones that get fucked over 328 00:14:44,008 --> 00:14:45,694 - always in these kinds of... - Rob tends to be 329 00:14:45,718 --> 00:14:46,885 a bit of a hothead. 330 00:14:46,886 --> 00:14:48,595 Rob's like-if you were in a burning building, 331 00:14:48,596 --> 00:14:50,639 Rob is-Rob is the first guy 332 00:14:50,723 --> 00:14:52,140 who's gonna run into that building 333 00:14:52,141 --> 00:14:54,518 and-and pull you out. 334 00:14:54,602 --> 00:14:56,061 I might look at, like, the version 335 00:14:56,145 --> 00:14:57,312 where we all get out. 336 00:14:57,313 --> 00:14:58,980 Like, okay. 337 00:14:58,981 --> 00:15:01,024 Like... 338 00:15:01,025 --> 00:15:03,109 That window is molten lava. 339 00:15:03,110 --> 00:15:04,296 I'm not gonna run through there 340 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,737 because I won't make it to the person. 341 00:15:05,738 --> 00:15:07,614 Like, wait, let's just take a second 342 00:15:07,615 --> 00:15:08,782 and think about this. 343 00:15:08,866 --> 00:15:10,283 So yeah. So what I'm saying is, 344 00:15:10,284 --> 00:15:11,702 everyone would die in my version. 345 00:15:13,287 --> 00:15:15,580 Just Rob would die in his. 346 00:15:15,581 --> 00:15:18,083 You're so much more patient than me... you're so patient. 347 00:15:18,167 --> 00:15:20,544 I'm not so much more patient. I just drink more. 348 00:15:20,628 --> 00:15:22,337 Is that what I need to do? 349 00:15:22,338 --> 00:15:23,421 I should just drink. 350 00:15:23,422 --> 00:15:25,173 And if you need any, uh, any gin, 351 00:15:25,174 --> 00:15:28,385 I-I got a guy. 352 00:15:28,469 --> 00:15:30,595 Oh, okay. All right. 353 00:15:30,596 --> 00:15:34,182 Well... all right, I guess we'll just keep waiting. 354 00:15:34,183 --> 00:15:35,976 We'll just keep waiting. Um, yeah. 355 00:15:36,060 --> 00:15:37,769 Waiting is, uh, my favorite color. 356 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:39,980 I will, uh, I will talk to you very, very soon 357 00:15:40,064 --> 00:15:41,731 and uh, miss ya, love ya. 358 00:15:41,732 --> 00:15:44,693 Miss you, love you, miss you, love you, bye. 359 00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:46,153 He's too nice. 360 00:15:47,655 --> 00:15:49,698 He's too nice. 361 00:15:49,782 --> 00:15:51,825 It just-it drives me crazy. 362 00:15:53,285 --> 00:15:55,662 Not him being nice. That doesn't drive me crazy. 363 00:15:55,663 --> 00:15:58,999 It drives me crazy that we have to... 364 00:15:59,083 --> 00:16:01,042 just keep waiting. 365 00:16:01,043 --> 00:16:02,544 We're past the due process 366 00:16:02,628 --> 00:16:04,754 of-of protecting everybody involved. 367 00:16:04,755 --> 00:16:07,215 We're-we're, uh, we're months past that. 368 00:16:07,216 --> 00:16:10,302 It's-it's literally waiting for some lawyer 369 00:16:10,386 --> 00:16:11,970 to call another lawyer 370 00:16:11,971 --> 00:16:13,555 who's then gotta call a committee 371 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:16,641 and the committee meets once every three months. 372 00:16:16,642 --> 00:16:19,394 And if they miss that because someone's got the flu, 373 00:16:19,395 --> 00:16:21,771 then it gets kicked to the bottom of the pile 374 00:16:21,772 --> 00:16:24,524 and another lawyer has to call another lawyer, 375 00:16:24,525 --> 00:16:27,193 and in-and in the interim, 376 00:16:27,194 --> 00:16:30,280 it's the team and the town that get fucked over 377 00:16:30,364 --> 00:16:35,243 because in-under the auspices of protecting the club, 378 00:16:35,244 --> 00:16:37,662 it's hurting the club because we can't do 379 00:16:37,663 --> 00:16:38,747 any renovation. 380 00:16:38,831 --> 00:16:40,624 We can't do any real updating 381 00:16:40,708 --> 00:16:42,208 because everything has to go through this process. 382 00:16:42,209 --> 00:16:45,879 And so we have this plan to-to revitalize 383 00:16:45,963 --> 00:16:48,924 the-the-the stadium, and we can't do anything 384 00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:50,342 until we get this information, 385 00:16:50,426 --> 00:16:53,386 so needless to say, I'm a little bit frustrated 386 00:16:53,387 --> 00:16:58,142 and Ryan is not because he's drunk or whatever. 387 00:17:04,523 --> 00:17:06,441 So Wrexham is a small town. 388 00:17:06,442 --> 00:17:08,860 We had the mines starting to close down. 389 00:17:08,861 --> 00:17:11,905 We had the Steelworks, and that was closing down as well. 390 00:17:11,989 --> 00:17:14,115 And that has an effect with the football club. 391 00:17:14,116 --> 00:17:15,992 The rent became too much. 392 00:17:15,993 --> 00:17:21,247 So in 2014, the supporters got together and saved the club. 393 00:17:21,248 --> 00:17:24,292 We had to raise �100,000. It was just amazing. 394 00:17:24,293 --> 00:17:26,127 Kids were bringing piggy banks. 395 00:17:26,128 --> 00:17:27,439 - But we survived. - Yeah. 396 00:17:27,463 --> 00:17:29,673 - We survived. - We did. 397 00:17:29,757 --> 00:17:31,132 We rose again like a phoenix 398 00:17:31,133 --> 00:17:32,384 of the ashes. 399 00:17:32,468 --> 00:17:33,468 You know, this is how... This is how bully 400 00:17:33,469 --> 00:17:34,928 Wrexham fans are. We come together 401 00:17:35,012 --> 00:17:39,099 and we raised �127,000 in one day to save the club. 402 00:17:39,183 --> 00:17:40,725 And Chester didn't when they were... 403 00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:42,185 When they were going bust. 404 00:17:42,186 --> 00:17:43,812 Their fans didn't rally round. 405 00:17:43,896 --> 00:17:45,230 They went dead. Boomf. 406 00:17:45,314 --> 00:17:47,357 Wrexham fans wouldn't allow that to happen. 407 00:17:47,441 --> 00:17:50,110 Oh, that's when... That's when we took over. 408 00:17:50,194 --> 00:17:54,072 When we managed to get control of it, 409 00:17:54,073 --> 00:17:58,326 that really was one of the highlights for me. 410 00:17:58,327 --> 00:18:01,746 Regardless of what we won with-with trophies and things. 411 00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:03,415 That was marvelous, but to think 412 00:18:03,499 --> 00:18:05,667 that we could safeguard the club, 413 00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:07,585 that was just fantastic, you know? 414 00:18:07,586 --> 00:18:09,212 And-and... 415 00:18:09,213 --> 00:18:11,340 oh, gosh. 416 00:18:13,509 --> 00:18:16,803 On one hand, the club was in safe hands again now, 417 00:18:16,804 --> 00:18:19,597 but on the other, it's actually quite an expensive business 418 00:18:19,598 --> 00:18:20,932 running a football club. 419 00:18:20,933 --> 00:18:23,143 It's ordinary Joes 420 00:18:23,227 --> 00:18:25,228 with whatever they can afford. 421 00:18:25,229 --> 00:18:27,105 You know, the minimum some people are putting in it 422 00:18:27,106 --> 00:18:29,649 is �12 a year. 423 00:18:29,650 --> 00:18:31,484 You know, some people contribute 424 00:18:31,485 --> 00:18:33,069 a lot more than that. 425 00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:35,864 Some people only put in the minimum amount 426 00:18:35,948 --> 00:18:38,324 but then do lots of volunteering 427 00:18:38,325 --> 00:18:41,161 and-and-and contributing in other ways. 428 00:18:41,245 --> 00:18:43,038 Walked up mountains literally. 429 00:18:43,122 --> 00:18:44,873 - Walked up Snowdon, didn't they? - Yes. 430 00:18:44,957 --> 00:18:46,249 To raise money... Yes. 431 00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:47,333 - For the club. - Yeah. 432 00:18:47,334 --> 00:18:49,461 And didn't we do a-a collection 433 00:18:49,545 --> 00:18:51,046 - for the wages once? - Yep. 434 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:52,339 - Yes. - Yep, yep. 435 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,069 Yeah, pulled together to pay wages. 436 00:18:56,093 --> 00:18:57,719 We just passed a hat around. 437 00:18:57,803 --> 00:18:59,345 - Kenny Pemberton... - Yeah, people... 438 00:18:59,346 --> 00:19:00,555 - His house. - Yeah, people put... 439 00:19:00,556 --> 00:19:02,849 - Gosh. - Put money in and... 440 00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:04,517 - Well, we all did, didn't we? - Mm. 441 00:19:04,518 --> 00:19:06,227 And we've got a lot to be grateful 442 00:19:06,228 --> 00:19:08,271 to the-to the Trust for. 443 00:19:08,272 --> 00:19:10,148 And all those people who worked so hard. 444 00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:12,358 - Yeah, yeah. - I mean, we're members, 445 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,319 but there's people that worked harder than us. 446 00:19:14,403 --> 00:19:15,862 - Gosh, yeah. - Gosh. 447 00:19:15,863 --> 00:19:17,822 Frankly, the club has been struggling 448 00:19:17,823 --> 00:19:21,868 from that point onwards to this very day. 449 00:19:21,869 --> 00:19:23,787 If the club doesn't do so well 450 00:19:23,871 --> 00:19:25,914 and the attendance goes down, 451 00:19:25,998 --> 00:19:28,041 then the manager doesn't get as much money 452 00:19:28,125 --> 00:19:31,544 as he was expecting to get to invest in his football side, 453 00:19:31,545 --> 00:19:34,380 and so the football team isn't quite as good again. 454 00:19:34,381 --> 00:19:36,883 So it's been an issue that's followed the club 455 00:19:36,884 --> 00:19:38,176 through all the years 456 00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:40,470 that the fans have been in control. 457 00:19:43,557 --> 00:19:45,016 It's an outdoor setting, 458 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:47,685 so it does wear and tear, weathers. 459 00:19:47,686 --> 00:19:49,938 It needs work all the time. 460 00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:52,565 Obviously, behind the goal, we've seen "the Kop," 461 00:19:52,566 --> 00:19:55,235 uh, was closed 'cause we just didn't have the money 462 00:19:55,319 --> 00:19:56,736 to-to keep it open. 463 00:19:56,737 --> 00:19:58,238 Oh, God. It's all leaking, isn't it? 464 00:19:58,322 --> 00:20:00,824 Uh, we used to get, uh, people complaining that the r... 465 00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:02,552 When on a rainy day, the rain was coming through 466 00:20:02,576 --> 00:20:04,619 and dripping on them. 467 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:07,163 They just drain money, don't they, football grounds? 468 00:20:07,164 --> 00:20:08,998 The club lost control of the stadium 469 00:20:08,999 --> 00:20:12,127 and the club began this inexorable slide down 470 00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:13,753 through the tiers into this position 471 00:20:13,754 --> 00:20:16,798 that it now finds itself in, in this fifth tier. 472 00:20:16,882 --> 00:20:20,343 So it had a-it had a seismic impact on the club. 473 00:20:20,344 --> 00:20:22,512 I didn't see a lot of hope under the Trust ownership 474 00:20:22,596 --> 00:20:24,430 and that's not a dig at them because, you know, 475 00:20:24,431 --> 00:20:26,683 they've put their time in and I respect them for it. 476 00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:28,726 So it's not a dig at them in the slightest. 477 00:20:28,727 --> 00:20:30,163 I just didn't see an out for the club. 478 00:20:30,187 --> 00:20:31,980 I didn't see a... I didn't see a way forward. 479 00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:35,191 Um, a lot of fans didn't see a way forward. 480 00:20:35,192 --> 00:20:37,944 You know, those times were real bad, real low, 481 00:20:37,945 --> 00:20:40,738 really low because you... you knew we didn't have the money 482 00:20:40,739 --> 00:20:41,990 to get players. 483 00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:44,325 You knew players weren't getting paid on time. 484 00:20:44,326 --> 00:20:46,578 So it was just a knock-on effect 485 00:20:46,662 --> 00:20:49,038 and it was-it was a terrible time to be a fan. 486 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:50,665 It's been... it's been a terrible time 487 00:20:50,666 --> 00:20:52,250 to be a fan for a long time now 488 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:53,459 to say the truth. 489 00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:55,295 Sam walked in and he said, "You'll never guess 490 00:20:55,379 --> 00:20:57,338 who's bought Wrexham Football Club." 491 00:20:57,339 --> 00:20:58,673 And I said, "Who?" 492 00:20:58,674 --> 00:21:00,592 He said, "Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney." 493 00:21:00,676 --> 00:21:01,926 I said... 494 00:21:01,927 --> 00:21:04,262 "As in Ryan Reynolds 495 00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:07,182 as in actor and Rob"... I said, "I don't know him." 496 00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:09,142 He said, "Oh, yeah, you wouldn't know him." 497 00:21:09,226 --> 00:21:10,810 Always Sunny in Philadelphia." I said, 498 00:21:10,811 --> 00:21:12,353 "Oh, yes. Right, okay." 499 00:21:12,354 --> 00:21:13,980 Uh, I said, "You're joking." 500 00:21:13,981 --> 00:21:15,356 "Nope, that's right," he said. 501 00:21:15,357 --> 00:21:16,501 "They've bought it." I said, 502 00:21:16,525 --> 00:21:18,109 "I can't believe it." 503 00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:22,864 Funny though, how, you know, a little bit of good news... 504 00:21:22,948 --> 00:21:23,948 - Rubs off. - Suddenly boosts 505 00:21:23,949 --> 00:21:25,116 - everything up. - Rubs off. 506 00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:27,035 - Yeah. - Yeah, I mean, that's amazing. 507 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,119 - Isn't it? - Mm. 508 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,412 What's happening now for me 509 00:21:29,413 --> 00:21:32,415 is reward, um, 510 00:21:32,416 --> 00:21:34,292 for the-the effort and the sacrifices 511 00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:36,085 that supporters have put into football club over the years. 512 00:21:36,086 --> 00:21:38,046 And when they came into buy it this time, 513 00:21:38,130 --> 00:21:40,590 I was a bit suspicious and I thought, 514 00:21:40,674 --> 00:21:43,384 "You know, are they going to love the club like we do? 515 00:21:43,385 --> 00:21:47,764 "Are they really going to-to have 516 00:21:47,848 --> 00:21:51,184 the-the best interests of the club at heart?" 517 00:21:51,268 --> 00:21:52,852 And I just hope they don't let us down. 518 00:21:52,853 --> 00:21:55,063 You know, it's, um, you know, we... 519 00:21:55,147 --> 00:21:57,106 Well, we pray that they don't let us down. 520 00:21:57,107 --> 00:21:58,524 - They better not. - Yeah. 521 00:21:58,525 --> 00:22:00,068 You-you wouldn't cross a Wrexham fan. 522 00:22:00,152 --> 00:22:02,320 Don't, 'cause Wrexham... Wrexham fans don't forgive... 523 00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,156 - They don't forgive easily. - Very easily. 524 00:22:15,584 --> 00:22:17,085 You have some news 525 00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:18,711 for us? 526 00:22:18,712 --> 00:22:20,713 - Is it good news? - Well, it is. 527 00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:23,758 After, uh, many months of trying 528 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:25,969 and, uh, frustration, 529 00:22:26,053 --> 00:22:27,428 I would like to congratulate you. 530 00:22:27,429 --> 00:22:30,014 You are now the proud owners of the Racecourse Ground. 531 00:22:30,015 --> 00:22:32,183 - Whoa! - Yes! 532 00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:34,644 - Oh, my God! - Come on! 533 00:22:34,728 --> 00:22:35,895 There we go! 534 00:22:35,896 --> 00:22:38,356 Wrexham AFC owns the Racecourse Ground 535 00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:39,941 and, uh, you've made it possible 536 00:22:40,025 --> 00:22:42,694 and, you know, and keeping... And keeping true to your words 537 00:22:42,778 --> 00:22:45,571 in the mission statement, so congratulations. 538 00:22:45,572 --> 00:22:47,282 Truly, you have made it possible... 539 00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:51,661 You, um, HK and Shaun and-and-and Ryan. 540 00:22:51,745 --> 00:22:53,955 Like, I-I've just... I-I hadn't... 541 00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:56,249 I lost my patience with it so long ago 542 00:22:56,333 --> 00:22:58,042 that I had to check out of it completely 543 00:22:58,043 --> 00:22:59,502 and I just appreciate you guys. 544 00:22:59,503 --> 00:23:01,183 This is why Shaun wanted to do it over Zoom 545 00:23:01,213 --> 00:23:03,339 is he-he wanted to see your angry, 546 00:23:03,340 --> 00:23:05,466 scrunched-up, sad little face, Rob, 547 00:23:05,467 --> 00:23:07,635 blossom into a smile. 548 00:23:07,636 --> 00:23:09,846 Having the oldest international 549 00:23:09,930 --> 00:23:12,682 football stadium on the planet under our stewardship 550 00:23:12,766 --> 00:23:14,434 is, like, both elation 551 00:23:14,518 --> 00:23:17,145 and weirdly, I can feel an ulcer growing 552 00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:18,771 as we speak. 553 00:23:18,772 --> 00:23:20,572 Oh, have you got the email I've just sent you? 554 00:23:20,649 --> 00:23:22,525 'Cause there is a second bit of news today. 555 00:23:22,526 --> 00:23:23,901 - Oh! - If you open... 556 00:23:23,902 --> 00:23:24,986 If you-so there you go. 557 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:26,214 So if you want to open it up, 558 00:23:26,238 --> 00:23:29,365 they are your first rendered images 559 00:23:29,366 --> 00:23:31,159 of the new stand 560 00:23:31,243 --> 00:23:33,286 the AFL architects have put together for us. 561 00:23:33,370 --> 00:23:34,370 - Wow! - Oh. 562 00:23:34,371 --> 00:23:35,788 Wow. 563 00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:39,500 That is a big-time football stadium right there. 564 00:23:39,501 --> 00:23:41,544 - That is a... - And that's just one stand. 565 00:23:41,545 --> 00:23:42,939 - That's just "the Kop" stand. - Yeah. 566 00:23:42,963 --> 00:23:44,589 So-so what would be the next stand 567 00:23:44,673 --> 00:23:45,798 - that we would do? - Ugh, give him an inch, 568 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:47,050 he'll take a mile, Shaun. 569 00:23:47,134 --> 00:23:48,343 I'm so sorry about... 570 00:23:48,427 --> 00:23:50,530 Wait, when can we... when can we show this to the public? 571 00:23:50,554 --> 00:23:54,140 Uh, I need to go through the Council with Levelling Up Fund. 572 00:23:54,141 --> 00:23:57,101 We probably need to warn a couple of people 573 00:23:57,102 --> 00:23:59,020 at the Council it's coming out, 574 00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:01,356 and then we can arrange a public launch 575 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,150 and I think it'd be really useful to do that 576 00:24:04,151 --> 00:24:05,401 because you have to have a pre... 577 00:24:05,402 --> 00:24:07,987 Uh, a pre-application consultation period... 578 00:24:07,988 --> 00:24:10,948 A pre-application consultation period? 579 00:24:10,949 --> 00:24:12,116 More bureaucracy, I know. 580 00:24:12,117 --> 00:24:14,327 - But at least... - It's incredible. 581 00:24:14,411 --> 00:24:15,995 Let's just put it out. Let's just put it out. 582 00:24:15,996 --> 00:24:17,557 - Let's just put it out. - At least, at least... 583 00:24:17,581 --> 00:24:19,165 No, don't just put it out yet. 584 00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:21,501 We-I'll-I'll give you the... I'll give you the nod 585 00:24:21,585 --> 00:24:22,877 - when you can put it out. - Incredible. 586 00:24:22,878 --> 00:24:24,397 Thank you, Shaun. Thank you for that great news. 587 00:24:24,421 --> 00:24:25,421 - Pleasure. - That is so neat. 588 00:24:25,422 --> 00:24:26,881 We're putting out the video. 589 00:24:26,882 --> 00:24:28,151 We're putting out the video, we're putting out the video. 590 00:24:28,175 --> 00:24:29,277 - Bye, love you, love you, bye. - Oh, boy. 591 00:24:29,301 --> 00:24:30,969 - Okay, bye. - Bye, bye, bye, bye. 592 00:24:31,019 --> 00:24:35,569 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 45115

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