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- How old are you now?
- 96.
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Yeah, 96.
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I'll be 97 next March.
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First match I went to
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was 1931.
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I was seven.
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So 90 years of following them?
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Up and down.
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Up and down.
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And a football team
is not just a football team.
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It is something
that really brings together
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the community in a way
that nothing else does.
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There's a magic about football
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that not everyone will get,
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but the die-hard Wrexham fans
I know certainly get it.
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"Three brothers
who will be going to Wembley
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to support Wrexham AFC with
a combined age of 254 years."
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That's it.
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Had, uh, highs.
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I've had very lows.
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It gives people
a real sense of community
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and camaraderie
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and belonging to something
in a way that, without it,
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they just wouldn't have.
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And-and-and how dare somebody
come from outside the area
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and-and try to take that away
from people?
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Every day, it's a-getting closer
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Going faster
than a roller coaster
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Love like yours
will surely come my way
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A-hey, a-hey-hey
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Every day, it's a-getting faster
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Everyone said,
"Go ahead and ask her"
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Love like yours
will surely come my way
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A-hey, a-hey-hey
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Love like yours
will surely come my way
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Is it teatime for you now?
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Oh-ho-ho-ho.
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Are you hungry?
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Are you ready for your tea?
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Right, buddy,
after we finish this...
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you're not going to be able
to sit and watch telly.
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Mommy and Daddy have got
to watch something
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on the telly.
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And it's about the football.
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Some people are worried
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that Ryan Reynolds
and his friend
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are just doing it to make money.
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So that's what people
want to know:
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why have they chosen Wrexham?
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Just to make sure that they're...
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They're doing it for a reason
that's a good reason.
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There were some people
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who bought Wrexham Football
Club who didn't want it.
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They wanted to knock
the football stadium down.
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They wanted to knock?
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So that they could make money.
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These are turbulent times
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for Wrexham Football Club.
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Its future is on a knife-edge
amid talks of debts amounting
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to millions and asset stripping.
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Going back to the early 2000s,
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the football club had a number
of challenges.
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It had owners who, eh,
who-who frankly that-that
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their sole reason for ownership
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was not for the betterment
of the football club,
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and the football club
was in danger.
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For the last two years,
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this club has been owned
by one man,
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and tonight we unravel the truth
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behind rumors surrounding
Alex Hamilton.
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Alex Hamilton was actually
the-the owner
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of the football club,
but another gentleman, eh,
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was, eh, was-was sort
of fronting the ownership
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for a while,
and-and we didn't know
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Alex Hamilton
was in-in the background.
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Two years ago, Alex Hamilton
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bought the controlling share
of Wrexham Football Club.
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Keeping his own identity secret,
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he installed a business
associate as chairman.
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Mark Guterman
was a controversial choice
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among fans.
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He'd already taken
local rivals Chester
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into administration
and relegated
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from the football league.
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The club was sold
to those two people,
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and their, uh, idea of what
the value of this football club
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didn't really revolve around it
being a football club.
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A former solicitor
who lives here in Cheshire,
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Alex Hamilton was struck off
by the Law Society
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two years ago for charges
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including allegations
of mortgage fraud.
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He appealed, and most
of the charges against him,
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including the mortgage fraud,
were withdrawn.
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Reinstated last year,
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Hamilton now describes himself
as a property developer.
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This was a time of, you know,
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a lot of redevelopment work
going on around the UK.
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There was a bit more money
flowing around again
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in the economy and people were
looking for opportunities.
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Small football clubs are
always financially vulnerable,
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and this has long been the case
in England and Wales.
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Wrexham were in that position now.
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They were vulnerable,
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and I think these guys
spotted that vulnerability
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and recognized
that in this big stadium site
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that you have here,
which is on the edge of town,
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it's a prime position
potentially for redevelopment.
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The Racecourse
is the premier sports ground
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in North Wales.
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The Ground has a long history,
and fans recently invested
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in its future by buying bricks
in the new stand.
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There's lots of building work
going on here.
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It's a prime site at the main
gateway to the town.
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If it had planning permission,
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the Racecourse could be worth
at least �10 million...
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just the kind of land
a property developer
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might dream of finding.
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Well, the history, the present,
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and the future
of Wrexham Football Club
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is interwoven
with the Racecourse stadium.
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Without the Racecourse stadium,
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there is no Wrexham AFC.
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If the stadium goes,
the football team goes.
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So the club doesn't
currently own the Racecourse.
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We pay approximately $150,000
a year to lease the stadium.
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Moreover, the club is also
on the hook for any updates,
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refurbishments,
enhancements that we wanna do,
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and we've been able
to do a few of those.
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But what we really wanna do
is return the stadium
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to being the crown jewel
of North Wales.
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But sadly, we have an entire
stand called "the Kop"
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that is, for all intents
and purposes, condemned,
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and we can't do anything
with that
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until the club once again
owns the Racecourse...
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which is proving to be...
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difficult?
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Hey, Shaun?
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Can we get an update on, um,
where we are with the purchase
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of the, uh, freehold
for the Racecourse?
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Um, it's proving to be, uh,
a challenge.
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The-the title deeds are old.
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The Land Registry plans
aren't as clear as you'd hope.
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Um, we're just reviewing them
all to get them all together,
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and we're gonna get there
as quick as we can.
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There's nothing
that we can do to...
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To maybe to help speed it up
or-or expedite in some way?
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Well, some of these laws were
drawn up in the 1400s,
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so they-they didn't anticipate
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the pace at which people
would want to do things.
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It is frustrating,
and it's annoying
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and, uh, it's hard to...
It's hard to give you a...
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A rationale as to why
it should take this long
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other than these things do.
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I mean, I-I'm all
for due process,
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but we-we made a promise.
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It's in our original
mission statement.
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The Racecourse needs to be back
in club hands.
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Everybody wants it to be back
in club hands.
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And yet months and months
and months go by.
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And the-I-look, my frustration
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is that we can't start
on the development process.
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Do we have a rough estimate
as to when we'll have
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some kind of answer?
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No, other than it can't take
that much longer.
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- Holy...
- I mean, it's just...
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It's Kafkaesque.
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Like, we are...
We're-we're trapped.
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And what-and what's worse
is we're even on record
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since we promised it
that-that we're actually
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on with it and we've got
everything in place.
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I'm amazed we've not had any...
Had any more questions
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from the public and the fans
as to why it's taking...
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Why it's taking
this length of time.
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Okay, well, I guess
we'll talk later.
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Uh, bye, guys.
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Oh, he's all on his own.
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Can he make it five?
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We are, uh,
one of the oldest clubs
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in the world.
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Uh, and that's quite
impressive in itself.
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No doubt about that
in terms of Wrexham.
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The Racecourse itself
is the oldest existing
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international venue
that still hosts football.
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Better football,
better prospects
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to get what we so desire
in Wrexham.
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The name "the Racecourse"
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was 'cause the venue
was a racecourse.
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The local authorities
wouldn't allow betting,
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and-and so the tenancy
dropped off
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and-and the football
took over... kept the name.
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Can he make it five?
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And Jones makes it five!
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It's just been our
home for all our existence.
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When Alex Hamilton
took over the club,
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the Ground was owned
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by Wolverhampton
& Dudley Brewery.
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They leased it to the club
for �1 a year.
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The club approached the
brewery to buy the freehold.
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And the very same day
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that the brewery sold the Ground
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to Wrexham Football Club,
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it was immediately transferred
to another company,
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Damens Limited.
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Damens is wholly owned
by Alex Hamilton.
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So the Ground
belonged to one company
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and the club
belonged to another.
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But both were controlled
by Alex Hamilton.
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Their idea
was to separate the club
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from the stadium
and then bulldoze the stadium
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and turn it into, um,
into a profit.
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So they had, um, a plan,
and it was a plan
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to basically kill
the football club, effectively.
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They took all the investment
out over a period
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so it wasn't overt initially.
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But it became apparent
that things weren't...
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Bills weren't getting paid effectively.
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The Inland Revenue
is currently charging the club
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�150 a day in interest
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on a debt of more than �800,000.
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Earlier this year,
things got so bad
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the bailiffs were called in.
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They assessed the club's assets
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down to the last plastic seat,
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floodlight, and lawn mower.
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If the tax bill remains unpaid,
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those assets will be seized.
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You know, I couldn't believe
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that they would treat the fans
like that.
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It's a...
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Sorry.
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You know,
'cause we loved it so much
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and they were just destroying
it for money.
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And it was just so frustrating.
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Mr. Hamilton refused
our requests for an interview.
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We went to the Racecourse,
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where he was attending
a board meeting.
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Wales' Week In Week Out program.
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I wanted to ask you,
are you sure that the transfer
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of the Racecourse Ground into
your private campaign is legal?
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- We came here...
- Can you answer that question?
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We came here to deal with
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- a son passing away.
- Asset stripping as well.
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Mr. Hamilton,
please answer my questions.
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I came here
to deal with one topic,
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which is a personal one
of irregular support...
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You've been in a board meeting.
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You've been in a board meeting.
Mr. Hamilton,
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you are being accused
of asset stripping this club.
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What do you have to say
about that?
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- Gop. Total rubbish.
- It's not rubbish.
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Why have you transferred
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the freehold of this club
into your own...
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- Why have you transferred...
- Excuse me a moment.
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- The freehold of this club...
- Excuse me.
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Into your own company?
Why have you done that?
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I had to deal with passing away.
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Please stop and talk
to us, Mr. Hamilton.
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These are really
important issues
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we want to discuss with you.
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Mr. Hamilton
was not at the funeral.
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He was attending a directors'
meeting at the club.
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Fans were getting worried.
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They organized mass opposition
to Alex Hamilton's plans.
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He had dropped a bombshell.
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He said the Racecourse
would have to be sold
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if the club was to survive.
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Last July, he served
a legal notice on the club
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to leave the Racecourse
within a year.
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After 130 years,
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this season could be the last
that Wrexham play there.
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We will not surrender!
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The supporters rallied round
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and really fought hard.
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And I was only a kid and we
were walking round the Ground
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with-with banners and, you know,
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just anything to save your club.
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There was a lot of...
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You could call it
guerrilla warfare really.
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It was a...
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A campaign that was taken
to their front doorsteps.
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- The fans got together.
- Mm, yep.
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- Yeah.
- And said, "We'll have
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to do something drastic."
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- Yeah, we did.
- Mm.
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And so we did.
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The fans gathered
in the town in Cheshire
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just over the border,
where Alex Hamilton lived,
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and they marched
through the town
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protesting against his ownership
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of the football club.
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It signaled a declaration of war
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against the chairman.
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The very same day,
Alex Hamilton responded.
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He'd walked up
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and started talking
to a few people there.
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And this-this was in a week
where he'd described the fans
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as lowlife scum, and there
he was in the middle of 'em.
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Fans thought his actions
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were an attempt
to incite trouble.
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We-we think he went on there
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in the hope
that somebody would hit him,
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so that he could, uh,
make a great political capital
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out of the fact
that we were football hooligans
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and what have you.
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Hamilton has since
been advised by the police
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not to attend home matches
at his own club.
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In a fit of rage,
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he decided
that he was gonna resign.
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And he scrawled it down
on a napkin.
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Basically, I think,
wrote, "I resign"
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and signed it "Alex Hamilton."
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That was him saying,
"I want out,"
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and that was them saying,
"Great. Fine. Off you go."
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Hey, hi, hi, hi, hi.
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Have you heard
from Shaun recently
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about the Racecourse purchase?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it is taking a long, long,
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long, long, long fucking time.
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Um, but I also, you know,
I also recognize
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that this is not a simple thing.
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I think the thing
that drives me crazy
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is that this is not a process
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that is in place
to protect people.
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In fact, the people
that are getting fucked
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are the people
that are marginalized
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that are the ones
that get fucked over
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- always in these kinds of...
- Rob tends to be
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a bit of a hothead.
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Rob's like-if you were
in a burning building,
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Rob is-Rob is the first guy
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who's gonna run
into that building
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and-and pull you out.
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I might look
at, like, the version
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where we all get out.
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Like, okay.
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Like...
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That window is molten lava.
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I'm not gonna run through there
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because I won't make it
to the person.
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Like, wait,
let's just take a second
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and think about this.
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So yeah. So what I'm saying is,
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everyone would die
in my version.
345
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Just Rob would die in his.
346
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You're so much more patient
than me... you're so patient.
347
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I'm not so much more patient.
I just drink more.
348
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Is that what I need to do?
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I should just drink.
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And if you need
any, uh, any gin,
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I-I got a guy.
352
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Oh, okay. All right.
353
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Well... all right, I guess
we'll just keep waiting.
354
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We'll just keep waiting.
Um, yeah.
355
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Waiting is, uh,
my favorite color.
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I will, uh, I will talk
to you very, very soon
357
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and uh, miss ya, love ya.
358
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Miss you, love you,
miss you, love you, bye.
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He's too nice.
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He's too nice.
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It just-it drives me crazy.
362
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Not him being nice.
That doesn't drive me crazy.
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It drives me crazy
that we have to...
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just keep waiting.
365
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We're past the due process
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of-of protecting everybody involved.
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00:16:04,755 --> 00:16:07,215
We're-we're, uh,
we're months past that.
368
00:16:07,216 --> 00:16:10,302
It's-it's literally waiting
for some lawyer
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to call another lawyer
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who's then gotta call
a committee
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and the committee meets
once every three months.
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And if they miss that
because someone's got the flu,
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then it gets kicked
to the bottom of the pile
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and another lawyer
has to call another lawyer,
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and in-and in the interim,
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it's the team and the town
that get fucked over
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because in-under the auspices
of protecting the club,
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it's hurting the club
because we can't do
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any renovation.
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We can't do any real updating
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because everything
has to go through this process.
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And so we have this plan
to-to revitalize
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the-the-the stadium,
and we can't do anything
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until we get this information,
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so needless to say,
I'm a little bit frustrated
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00:16:53,387 --> 00:16:58,142
and Ryan is not
because he's drunk or whatever.
387
00:17:04,523 --> 00:17:06,441
So Wrexham is a small town.
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We had the mines starting
to close down.
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00:17:08,861 --> 00:17:11,905
We had the Steelworks, and
that was closing down as well.
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00:17:11,989 --> 00:17:14,115
And that has an effect
with the football club.
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The rent became too much.
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00:17:15,993 --> 00:17:21,247
So in 2014, the supporters got
together and saved the club.
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We had to raise �100,000.
It was just amazing.
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Kids were bringing piggy banks.
395
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- But we survived.
- Yeah.
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- We survived.
- We did.
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We rose again like a phoenix
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of the ashes.
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00:17:32,468 --> 00:17:33,468
You know, this is how...
This is how bully
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Wrexham fans are.
We come together
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00:17:35,012 --> 00:17:39,099
and we raised �127,000
in one day to save the club.
402
00:17:39,183 --> 00:17:40,725
And Chester didn't
when they were...
403
00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:42,185
When they were going bust.
404
00:17:42,186 --> 00:17:43,812
Their fans didn't rally round.
405
00:17:43,896 --> 00:17:45,230
They went dead. Boomf.
406
00:17:45,314 --> 00:17:47,357
Wrexham fans wouldn't allow
that to happen.
407
00:17:47,441 --> 00:17:50,110
Oh, that's when...
That's when we took over.
408
00:17:50,194 --> 00:17:54,072
When we managed to get control
of it,
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00:17:54,073 --> 00:17:58,326
that really was one
of the highlights for me.
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00:17:58,327 --> 00:18:01,746
Regardless of what we won
with-with trophies and things.
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00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:03,415
That was marvelous, but to think
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00:18:03,499 --> 00:18:05,667
that we could safeguard
the club,
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00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:07,585
that was just fantastic,
you know?
414
00:18:07,586 --> 00:18:09,212
And-and...
415
00:18:09,213 --> 00:18:11,340
oh, gosh.
416
00:18:13,509 --> 00:18:16,803
On one hand, the club
was in safe hands again now,
417
00:18:16,804 --> 00:18:19,597
but on the other, it's actually
quite an expensive business
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00:18:19,598 --> 00:18:20,932
running a football club.
419
00:18:20,933 --> 00:18:23,143
It's ordinary Joes
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00:18:23,227 --> 00:18:25,228
with whatever they can afford.
421
00:18:25,229 --> 00:18:27,105
You know, the minimum
some people are putting in it
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00:18:27,106 --> 00:18:29,649
is �12 a year.
423
00:18:29,650 --> 00:18:31,484
You know, some people contribute
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00:18:31,485 --> 00:18:33,069
a lot more than that.
425
00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:35,864
Some people only put
in the minimum amount
426
00:18:35,948 --> 00:18:38,324
but then do lots of volunteering
427
00:18:38,325 --> 00:18:41,161
and-and-and contributing
in other ways.
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00:18:41,245 --> 00:18:43,038
Walked up mountains literally.
429
00:18:43,122 --> 00:18:44,873
- Walked up Snowdon, didn't they?
- Yes.
430
00:18:44,957 --> 00:18:46,249
To raise money... Yes.
431
00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:47,333
- For the club.
- Yeah.
432
00:18:47,334 --> 00:18:49,461
And didn't we do a-a collection
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00:18:49,545 --> 00:18:51,046
- for the wages once?
- Yep.
434
00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:52,339
- Yes.
- Yep, yep.
435
00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,069
Yeah, pulled together
to pay wages.
436
00:18:56,093 --> 00:18:57,719
We just passed a hat around.
437
00:18:57,803 --> 00:18:59,345
- Kenny Pemberton...
- Yeah, people...
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00:18:59,346 --> 00:19:00,555
- His house.
- Yeah, people put...
439
00:19:00,556 --> 00:19:02,849
- Gosh.
- Put money in and...
440
00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:04,517
- Well, we all did, didn't we?
- Mm.
441
00:19:04,518 --> 00:19:06,227
And we've got a lot
to be grateful
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00:19:06,228 --> 00:19:08,271
to the-to the Trust for.
443
00:19:08,272 --> 00:19:10,148
And all those people
who worked so hard.
444
00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:12,358
- Yeah, yeah.
- I mean, we're members,
445
00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,319
but there's people
that worked harder than us.
446
00:19:14,403 --> 00:19:15,862
- Gosh, yeah.
- Gosh.
447
00:19:15,863 --> 00:19:17,822
Frankly, the club
has been struggling
448
00:19:17,823 --> 00:19:21,868
from that point onwards
to this very day.
449
00:19:21,869 --> 00:19:23,787
If the club doesn't do so well
450
00:19:23,871 --> 00:19:25,914
and the attendance goes down,
451
00:19:25,998 --> 00:19:28,041
then the manager doesn't get
as much money
452
00:19:28,125 --> 00:19:31,544
as he was expecting to get
to invest in his football side,
453
00:19:31,545 --> 00:19:34,380
and so the football team
isn't quite as good again.
454
00:19:34,381 --> 00:19:36,883
So it's been an issue
that's followed the club
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00:19:36,884 --> 00:19:38,176
through all the years
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00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:40,470
that the fans have been
in control.
457
00:19:43,557 --> 00:19:45,016
It's an outdoor setting,
458
00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:47,685
so it does wear and tear, weathers.
459
00:19:47,686 --> 00:19:49,938
It needs work all the time.
460
00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:52,565
Obviously, behind the goal,
we've seen "the Kop,"
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00:19:52,566 --> 00:19:55,235
uh, was closed 'cause we just
didn't have the money
462
00:19:55,319 --> 00:19:56,736
to-to keep it open.
463
00:19:56,737 --> 00:19:58,238
Oh, God.
It's all leaking, isn't it?
464
00:19:58,322 --> 00:20:00,824
Uh, we used to get, uh, people
complaining that the r...
465
00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:02,552
When on a rainy day,
the rain was coming through
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00:20:02,576 --> 00:20:04,619
and dripping on them.
467
00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:07,163
They just drain money,
don't they, football grounds?
468
00:20:07,164 --> 00:20:08,998
The club lost control
of the stadium
469
00:20:08,999 --> 00:20:12,127
and the club began
this inexorable slide down
470
00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:13,753
through the tiers
into this position
471
00:20:13,754 --> 00:20:16,798
that it now finds itself in,
in this fifth tier.
472
00:20:16,882 --> 00:20:20,343
So it had a-it had
a seismic impact on the club.
473
00:20:20,344 --> 00:20:22,512
I didn't see a lot of hope
under the Trust ownership
474
00:20:22,596 --> 00:20:24,430
and that's not a dig
at them because, you know,
475
00:20:24,431 --> 00:20:26,683
they've put their time in
and I respect them for it.
476
00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:28,726
So it's not a dig at them
in the slightest.
477
00:20:28,727 --> 00:20:30,163
I just didn't see
an out for the club.
478
00:20:30,187 --> 00:20:31,980
I didn't see a...
I didn't see a way forward.
479
00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:35,191
Um, a lot of fans didn't see
a way forward.
480
00:20:35,192 --> 00:20:37,944
You know, those times
were real bad, real low,
481
00:20:37,945 --> 00:20:40,738
really low because you... you
knew we didn't have the money
482
00:20:40,739 --> 00:20:41,990
to get players.
483
00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:44,325
You knew players
weren't getting paid on time.
484
00:20:44,326 --> 00:20:46,578
So it was just a knock-on effect
485
00:20:46,662 --> 00:20:49,038
and it was-it was a terrible
time to be a fan.
486
00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:50,665
It's been...
it's been a terrible time
487
00:20:50,666 --> 00:20:52,250
to be a fan for a long time now
488
00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:53,459
to say the truth.
489
00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:55,295
Sam walked in and he said,
"You'll never guess
490
00:20:55,379 --> 00:20:57,338
who's bought
Wrexham Football Club."
491
00:20:57,339 --> 00:20:58,673
And I said, "Who?"
492
00:20:58,674 --> 00:21:00,592
He said, "Ryan Reynolds
and Rob McElhenney."
493
00:21:00,676 --> 00:21:01,926
I said...
494
00:21:01,927 --> 00:21:04,262
"As in Ryan Reynolds
495
00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:07,182
as in actor and Rob"...
I said, "I don't know him."
496
00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:09,142
He said, "Oh, yeah,
you wouldn't know him."
497
00:21:09,226 --> 00:21:10,810
Always Sunny in Philadelphia."
I said,
498
00:21:10,811 --> 00:21:12,353
"Oh, yes. Right, okay."
499
00:21:12,354 --> 00:21:13,980
Uh, I said, "You're joking."
500
00:21:13,981 --> 00:21:15,356
"Nope, that's right," he said.
501
00:21:15,357 --> 00:21:16,501
"They've bought it." I said,
502
00:21:16,525 --> 00:21:18,109
"I can't believe it."
503
00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:22,864
Funny though, how, you know,
a little bit of good news...
504
00:21:22,948 --> 00:21:23,948
- Rubs off.
- Suddenly boosts
505
00:21:23,949 --> 00:21:25,116
- everything up.
- Rubs off.
506
00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:27,035
- Yeah.
- Yeah, I mean, that's amazing.
507
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,119
- Isn't it?
- Mm.
508
00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,412
What's happening now for me
509
00:21:29,413 --> 00:21:32,415
is reward, um,
510
00:21:32,416 --> 00:21:34,292
for the-the effort
and the sacrifices
511
00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:36,085
that supporters have put into
football club over the years.
512
00:21:36,086 --> 00:21:38,046
And when they came
into buy it this time,
513
00:21:38,130 --> 00:21:40,590
I was a bit suspicious
and I thought,
514
00:21:40,674 --> 00:21:43,384
"You know, are they going
to love the club like we do?
515
00:21:43,385 --> 00:21:47,764
"Are they really going
to-to have
516
00:21:47,848 --> 00:21:51,184
the-the best interests
of the club at heart?"
517
00:21:51,268 --> 00:21:52,852
And I just hope
they don't let us down.
518
00:21:52,853 --> 00:21:55,063
You know, it's, um,
you know, we...
519
00:21:55,147 --> 00:21:57,106
Well, we pray
that they don't let us down.
520
00:21:57,107 --> 00:21:58,524
- They better not.
- Yeah.
521
00:21:58,525 --> 00:22:00,068
You-you wouldn't cross
a Wrexham fan.
522
00:22:00,152 --> 00:22:02,320
Don't, 'cause Wrexham...
Wrexham fans don't forgive...
523
00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,156
- They don't forgive easily.
- Very easily.
524
00:22:15,584 --> 00:22:17,085
You have some news
525
00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:18,711
for us?
526
00:22:18,712 --> 00:22:20,713
- Is it good news?
- Well, it is.
527
00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:23,758
After, uh, many months of trying
528
00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:25,969
and, uh, frustration,
529
00:22:26,053 --> 00:22:27,428
I would like
to congratulate you.
530
00:22:27,429 --> 00:22:30,014
You are now the proud owners
of the Racecourse Ground.
531
00:22:30,015 --> 00:22:32,183
- Whoa!
- Yes!
532
00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:34,644
- Oh, my God!
- Come on!
533
00:22:34,728 --> 00:22:35,895
There we go!
534
00:22:35,896 --> 00:22:38,356
Wrexham AFC
owns the Racecourse Ground
535
00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:39,941
and, uh, you've made it possible
536
00:22:40,025 --> 00:22:42,694
and, you know, and keeping...
And keeping true to your words
537
00:22:42,778 --> 00:22:45,571
in the mission statement,
so congratulations.
538
00:22:45,572 --> 00:22:47,282
Truly, you have made it
possible...
539
00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:51,661
You, um, HK and Shaun
and-and-and Ryan.
540
00:22:51,745 --> 00:22:53,955
Like, I-I've just... I-I hadn't...
541
00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:56,249
I lost my patience
with it so long ago
542
00:22:56,333 --> 00:22:58,042
that I had to check out of it completely
543
00:22:58,043 --> 00:22:59,502
and I just appreciate you guys.
544
00:22:59,503 --> 00:23:01,183
This is why Shaun wanted
to do it over Zoom
545
00:23:01,213 --> 00:23:03,339
is he-he wanted
to see your angry,
546
00:23:03,340 --> 00:23:05,466
scrunched-up,
sad little face, Rob,
547
00:23:05,467 --> 00:23:07,635
blossom into a smile.
548
00:23:07,636 --> 00:23:09,846
Having the oldest international
549
00:23:09,930 --> 00:23:12,682
football stadium on the
planet under our stewardship
550
00:23:12,766 --> 00:23:14,434
is, like, both elation
551
00:23:14,518 --> 00:23:17,145
and weirdly,
I can feel an ulcer growing
552
00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:18,771
as we speak.
553
00:23:18,772 --> 00:23:20,572
Oh, have you got the email
I've just sent you?
554
00:23:20,649 --> 00:23:22,525
'Cause there is a second bit
of news today.
555
00:23:22,526 --> 00:23:23,901
- Oh!
- If you open...
556
00:23:23,902 --> 00:23:24,986
If you-so there you go.
557
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:26,214
So if you want to open it up,
558
00:23:26,238 --> 00:23:29,365
they are your first
rendered images
559
00:23:29,366 --> 00:23:31,159
of the new stand
560
00:23:31,243 --> 00:23:33,286
the AFL architects
have put together for us.
561
00:23:33,370 --> 00:23:34,370
- Wow!
- Oh.
562
00:23:34,371 --> 00:23:35,788
Wow.
563
00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:39,500
That is a big-time football
stadium right there.
564
00:23:39,501 --> 00:23:41,544
- That is a...
- And that's just one stand.
565
00:23:41,545 --> 00:23:42,939
- That's just "the Kop" stand.
- Yeah.
566
00:23:42,963 --> 00:23:44,589
So-so what would be
the next stand
567
00:23:44,673 --> 00:23:45,798
- that we would do?
- Ugh, give him an inch,
568
00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:47,050
he'll take a mile, Shaun.
569
00:23:47,134 --> 00:23:48,343
I'm so sorry about...
570
00:23:48,427 --> 00:23:50,530
Wait, when can we... when can we
show this to the public?
571
00:23:50,554 --> 00:23:54,140
Uh, I need to go through the
Council with Levelling Up Fund.
572
00:23:54,141 --> 00:23:57,101
We probably need
to warn a couple of people
573
00:23:57,102 --> 00:23:59,020
at the Council it's coming out,
574
00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:01,356
and then we can arrange
a public launch
575
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,150
and I think it'd be really
useful to do that
576
00:24:04,151 --> 00:24:05,401
because you have to have a pre...
577
00:24:05,402 --> 00:24:07,987
Uh, a pre-application
consultation period...
578
00:24:07,988 --> 00:24:10,948
A pre-application
consultation period?
579
00:24:10,949 --> 00:24:12,116
More bureaucracy, I know.
580
00:24:12,117 --> 00:24:14,327
- But at least...
- It's incredible.
581
00:24:14,411 --> 00:24:15,995
Let's just put it out.
Let's just put it out.
582
00:24:15,996 --> 00:24:17,557
- Let's just put it out.
- At least, at least...
583
00:24:17,581 --> 00:24:19,165
No, don't just put it out yet.
584
00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:21,501
We-I'll-I'll give you the...
I'll give you the nod
585
00:24:21,585 --> 00:24:22,877
- when you can put it out.
- Incredible.
586
00:24:22,878 --> 00:24:24,397
Thank you, Shaun.
Thank you for that great news.
587
00:24:24,421 --> 00:24:25,421
- Pleasure.
- That is so neat.
588
00:24:25,422 --> 00:24:26,881
We're putting out the video.
589
00:24:26,882 --> 00:24:28,151
We're putting out the video,
we're putting out the video.
590
00:24:28,175 --> 00:24:29,277
- Bye, love you, love you, bye.
- Oh, boy.
591
00:24:29,301 --> 00:24:30,969
- Okay, bye.
- Bye, bye, bye, bye.
592
00:24:31,019 --> 00:24:35,569
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