Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated:
1
00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,162
WWW.MY-SUBS.CO
1
00:00:06,390 --> 00:00:11,861
[FAINT INDISTINCT CHATTER]
2
00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,240
[ZIPPER UNZIPS]
3
00:00:15,911 --> 00:00:18,525
[SOFT DRAMATIC MUSIC]
4
00:00:18,557 --> 00:00:25,215
♪ ♪
5
00:00:36,630 --> 00:00:39,180
Looking like a veritable movie star.
6
00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,020
Don't know how I got
picked, Mr. Summers.
7
00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,193
Oh, you were our number
one choice, Janet.
8
00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,160
- See you out there.
- Here, Ma.
9
00:00:45,180 --> 00:00:46,646
Excuse me, Jerry.
10
00:00:46,660 --> 00:00:49,000
- Where do you want this?
- Oh, exam room.
11
00:00:49,020 --> 00:00:50,690
- Thanks.
- Okay.
12
00:00:50,710 --> 00:00:51,943
I feel bad asking,
13
00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,823
but do you think I could
talk with Dr. Duntsch?
14
00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,120
Oh, he's real busy. Can I do something?
15
00:00:56,140 --> 00:00:57,920
It's more of a doctor-patient thing.
16
00:00:57,940 --> 00:00:59,479
Definitely don't want
me handling that stuff.
17
00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:00,899
- I'll talk to him.
- Thank you, Jerry.
18
00:01:00,900 --> 00:01:03,079
Will you make sure your mom's
memorized on what she's saying?
19
00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,139
I don't want her getting distracted
20
00:01:04,140 --> 00:01:07,375
- with lights, camera, action.
- Yeah.
21
00:01:07,390 --> 00:01:10,180
Two reasons why patients
normally present
22
00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,923
to their doctors for pain
related to the spine.
23
00:01:12,940 --> 00:01:16,050
The first is related to the
peripheral nervous system.
24
00:01:16,070 --> 00:01:17,971
That's called radiculopathy.
25
00:01:17,990 --> 00:01:19,893
Now, normally, that type
of pain is associated
26
00:01:19,910 --> 00:01:21,660
- with depression or with...
- Yo, Chris.
27
00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,813
- ... degenerative changes in...
- Cut.
28
00:01:23,814 --> 00:01:25,563
[SIGHS]
29
00:01:25,580 --> 00:01:29,740
Okay, um, let's take a break.
30
00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,858
Knock out the patient's
portion. Come back.
31
00:01:31,870 --> 00:01:33,109
Good idea.
32
00:01:35,010 --> 00:01:37,364
Fuck me.
33
00:01:37,380 --> 00:01:39,020
I am so sorry.
34
00:01:40,620 --> 00:01:44,340
You're looking good. Feeling good?
35
00:01:47,300 --> 00:01:49,120
I thought it'd be more professional.
36
00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,500
Tell me what needs fixing,
Chrissy, anything.
37
00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:55,940
Kim's all over it.
38
00:01:57,780 --> 00:02:01,840
I know you're in the zone, but
Sarah wants to talk to you.
39
00:02:01,860 --> 00:02:05,353
Janet's daughter. Our patient?
40
00:02:05,370 --> 00:02:07,520
Oh, yeah, that's fine.
41
00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:12,980
Hey. Dr. Duntsch, how can I help you?
42
00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,760
Hi, Dr. Duntsch.
43
00:02:14,780 --> 00:02:18,821
I noticed something in my mom's scar.
44
00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,040
Like, blue peeking out,
like a piece of sponge.
45
00:02:23,070 --> 00:02:26,790
So I got some tweezers and...
46
00:02:28,100 --> 00:02:31,150
Oh, wow. You should not have done that.
47
00:02:31,170 --> 00:02:32,840
Oh, my God. What did I do?
48
00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:36,723
No, it's just a stitch. It's fine,
but... look, you should call me
49
00:02:36,740 --> 00:02:39,100
before you go digging around
in there again, okay?
50
00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,886
- I did call a few times.
- Quiet on set.
51
00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:43,520
- [SHUSHES]
- You ready, Jenny?
52
00:02:43,540 --> 00:02:47,820
Should I tell my own story?
Because this isn't my story.
53
00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,620
Janet, you look great today.
54
00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:54,691
Thank you so much for doing this.
55
00:02:54,710 --> 00:02:57,110
[WHISPERING]
56
00:02:57,130 --> 00:02:59,520
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
57
00:02:59,540 --> 00:03:01,480
You did good.
58
00:03:05,230 --> 00:03:06,520
[QUIETLY] Yeah.
59
00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,500
Roll camera. And action.
60
00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,508
Dr. Duntsch is one great man.
61
00:03:21,540 --> 00:03:25,638
He is the best doctor I think
that you could ever go to,
62
00:03:25,650 --> 00:03:29,350
and if you're having
the problems that I had,
63
00:03:29,370 --> 00:03:35,898
you know, give him a call
because he'll fix you.
64
00:03:40,194 --> 00:03:44,157
- Synced & corrected by MementMori -
-- www.MY-SUBS.com --
65
00:03:44,170 --> 00:03:46,370
- _
- No God damn way.
66
00:03:46,390 --> 00:03:47,750
- Mr. Duntsch...
- Doctor.
67
00:03:47,770 --> 00:03:49,399
I don't think you appreciate
the position you're in.
68
00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,020
- Doctor.
- Dr. Duntsch,
69
00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,739
I don't think you appreciate
the position you're in.
70
00:03:53,740 --> 00:03:55,620
No, I don't.
71
00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,280
I do not appreciate being
locked up in a cage
72
00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:01,843
like a dog for a year and a half.
73
00:04:01,860 --> 00:04:03,679
And I certainly do not
appreciate you telling me
74
00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,700
that my best bet going forward
75
00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,320
is not just to fire your asses
and hire real lawyers,
76
00:04:08,340 --> 00:04:09,640
but to ask for a continuance.
77
00:04:09,660 --> 00:04:12,768
I need to find someone
to testify on your behalf.
78
00:04:12,780 --> 00:04:14,540
Put me on the stand.
79
00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,440
If anybody else tries
to describe what it is
80
00:04:16,460 --> 00:04:18,651
that I do or how I do it,
81
00:04:18,670 --> 00:04:20,519
they're just gonna end up
looking like a bunch of jerks.
82
00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,000
See, that right there is why
you can't take the stand.
83
00:04:24,020 --> 00:04:25,743
You're emotionally driven.
84
00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,830
And when you're emotional,
you can't control what you say.
85
00:04:30,940 --> 00:04:32,997
[LAUGHS]
86
00:04:36,070 --> 00:04:38,340
[GRUNTS]
87
00:04:39,580 --> 00:04:41,250
[LAUGHS SOFTLY]
88
00:04:41,260 --> 00:04:43,716
Try me.
89
00:04:43,730 --> 00:04:45,844
[SOFT TENSE MUSIC]
90
00:04:45,860 --> 00:04:48,137
♪ ♪
91
00:04:48,150 --> 00:04:49,850
[SIGHS]
92
00:04:52,220 --> 00:04:55,330
You are a drug-and
alcohol-addicted surgeon
93
00:04:55,350 --> 00:04:57,650
who was too impaired
to perform surgeries.
94
00:04:57,670 --> 00:04:58,948
Allegedly. None of that was...
95
00:04:58,949 --> 00:05:01,817
Like a drunk driver, which, by the way,
96
00:05:01,820 --> 00:05:03,861
- you have on your record, Mr. Duntsch.
- Doctor.
97
00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,072
No, you're no longer a doctor.
98
00:05:06,090 --> 00:05:08,699
- You had your license stripped.
- Temporarily.
99
00:05:08,710 --> 00:05:10,380
Not if we have anything to do with it.
100
00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,950
And how about that email?
101
00:05:11,970 --> 00:05:14,961
The one in which you're prepared
to become a cold-blooded killer.
102
00:05:14,980 --> 00:05:16,429
I never meant for that
to be taken literally...
103
00:05:16,430 --> 00:05:17,625
You wrote it.
104
00:05:17,630 --> 00:05:19,580
So it was just a coincidence
105
00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,940
that you wrote that email to your lover,
106
00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,013
who also happens to be your assistant,
107
00:05:24,030 --> 00:05:26,303
just prior to killing or
maiming over 33 patients?
108
00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:27,530
It's not my fault!
109
00:05:27,540 --> 00:05:29,220
The anesthesiologists and the nurses
110
00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,888
and the fat fucking patients...
111
00:05:37,550 --> 00:05:39,760
[SIGHS]
112
00:05:39,780 --> 00:05:44,783
Fire me, but know whoever
slides into this seat
113
00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,988
is gonna tell you a version
of the same thing.
114
00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,660
I am trying to keep you
115
00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,242
from spending the rest
of your life in prison.
116
00:05:54,860 --> 00:05:56,720
I don't want to.
117
00:05:56,740 --> 00:05:58,579
You've got my deposition,
and you've got my records.
118
00:05:58,580 --> 00:05:59,980
I don't have anything more to give.
119
00:06:00,010 --> 00:06:02,128
The judge ruled you have
to testify in front...
120
00:06:02,140 --> 00:06:03,369
How could the emails not be true?
121
00:06:03,370 --> 00:06:04,380
He sent them to me.
122
00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:05,591
The defense has a right
123
00:06:05,610 --> 00:06:08,050
to cross-examine you and confirm that.
124
00:06:08,070 --> 00:06:11,103
[SOFT UNEASY MUSIC]
125
00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:17,852
♪ ♪
126
00:06:17,870 --> 00:06:20,820
You know, I thought the other
side of the world was far enough.
127
00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:29,260
They don't want me there
because of the emails.
128
00:06:31,540 --> 00:06:34,840
They wanna know about us,
about our relationship.
129
00:06:37,460 --> 00:06:40,040
[SNIFFLES]
130
00:06:40,060 --> 00:06:41,792
[SIGHS] What are they gonna ask?
131
00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,260
If it were me,
132
00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:47,900
I would remind them as often as I could
133
00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,933
that you two were sleeping together
134
00:06:49,940 --> 00:06:51,700
to establish a conflict of interest.
135
00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,804
You mean to call me a whore
who can't be trusted?
136
00:06:53,820 --> 00:06:57,099
I know you're trying to leave
this all behind, Ms. Morgan,
137
00:06:57,110 --> 00:06:59,460
but there's only one way to do that.
138
00:07:01,340 --> 00:07:02,560
[SIGHS DEEPLY]
139
00:07:02,580 --> 00:07:04,982
This is hostile. She's being hostile.
140
00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,400
Do you need her to testify?
141
00:07:06,420 --> 00:07:09,445
I do if I wanna introduce that email.
142
00:07:09,460 --> 00:07:11,100
Can you prove your
case without the email?
143
00:07:11,110 --> 00:07:13,020
Precedent-setting is precedent-setting,
144
00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,201
Dr. Henderson. No one's
ever done this before.
145
00:07:15,220 --> 00:07:17,420
Gotta assume every little bit helps.
146
00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,000
She's been through enough.
147
00:07:19,020 --> 00:07:20,549
What the hell are you
talking about, Bob?
148
00:07:20,550 --> 00:07:22,480
She was in the O.R.
She was in the consult.
149
00:07:22,500 --> 00:07:24,173
She had to know what was going on.
150
00:07:24,190 --> 00:07:26,053
You ask me, she hasn't
been through enough.
151
00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:29,013
What about questioning his
training and the investments?
152
00:07:29,030 --> 00:07:31,592
And we have the hospitals moving
him around. What? What?
153
00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:33,380
We brought charges of elder abuse.
154
00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:34,780
The only way to prove that
155
00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,440
is to prove that he was trained well
156
00:07:36,460 --> 00:07:37,860
and that he knew what he was doing,
157
00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,518
the whole time, he knew
he was going to harm her.
158
00:07:40,530 --> 00:07:41,610
Well, what about the drugs?
159
00:07:41,620 --> 00:07:43,023
That would be helpful, but...
160
00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,151
Fine, fantastic. Drag
Kayla Gibson in here.
161
00:07:45,170 --> 00:07:47,780
Unless Ms. Gibson knew he
was high and was with him
162
00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,361
in surgery that day, it's inadmissible.
163
00:07:50,380 --> 00:07:52,363
- This is ridiculous.
- No, it's not.
164
00:07:52,380 --> 00:07:55,831
You came to me to help you stop Duntsch.
165
00:07:55,850 --> 00:07:57,201
We have to choose.
166
00:07:57,220 --> 00:07:58,500
If he's our goal,
167
00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,671
then we have to focus
on him and only him.
168
00:08:01,690 --> 00:08:03,840
[TENSE MUSIC]
169
00:08:03,860 --> 00:08:06,043
State, call your first witness.
170
00:08:06,060 --> 00:08:07,060
Drew Sweeney.
171
00:08:07,070 --> 00:08:08,462
- Joe Padua.
- Harold Brennan.
172
00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,553
- Earl Burke.
- Elaine Johnson.
173
00:08:10,570 --> 00:08:11,590
Henry Aldrich.
174
00:08:11,610 --> 00:08:13,509
- Cindy Tremblay.
- Stan Novak.
175
00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,643
Would you tell us a
little about yourself?
176
00:08:15,660 --> 00:08:17,474
I'm 41.
177
00:08:17,490 --> 00:08:21,058
I work for the Collin County
Medical Examiner's Office.
178
00:08:21,070 --> 00:08:22,560
I worked for a pool company.
179
00:08:22,580 --> 00:08:26,024
My wife, Shelley, was an
elementary education teacher.
180
00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,571
Dorothy and I were married 46 years.
181
00:08:28,590 --> 00:08:31,402
Two kids, nine grandkids.
182
00:08:31,420 --> 00:08:33,946
Commercial construction project manager.
183
00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,781
Started driving trucks in '98.
184
00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,123
Two children... both had better
be in school right now.
185
00:08:38,140 --> 00:08:39,952
I'm an air conditioner contractor.
186
00:08:39,970 --> 00:08:43,205
What were your symptoms
prior to seeing Dr. Duntsch?
187
00:08:43,220 --> 00:08:45,583
- Light back pain.
- Lower back pain.
188
00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,376
We were decorating the Christmas tree,
189
00:08:47,390 --> 00:08:48,711
and Shelley missed a rung.
190
00:08:48,730 --> 00:08:52,500
- Neck pain.
- Pain in the neck and numb pinky.
191
00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:53,549
Numbness.
192
00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:55,301
- Tingling in my finger.
- Back pain.
193
00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,428
Hard to be a mom when
you can't pick anything up.
194
00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,420
Broke my back. Motorcycle accident.
195
00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,808
How did you hear about Dr. Duntsch?
196
00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:04,351
- My doctor.
- Family doctor.
197
00:09:04,370 --> 00:09:06,064
Website called Best Docs.
198
00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,273
Baylor Medical website. Five stars.
199
00:09:08,290 --> 00:09:10,340
Seemed like he knew what
he was talking about.
200
00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,740
He told us he was gonna fix her.
201
00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,451
That's all we needed to know.
202
00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:16,243
Arrogant.
203
00:09:16,260 --> 00:09:18,420
Told me he was the
best in the metroplex.
204
00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,452
So it's the day of the surgery.
205
00:09:21,470 --> 00:09:23,579
I had second thoughts that day.
206
00:09:23,590 --> 00:09:25,120
My understanding was my surgery
207
00:09:25,140 --> 00:09:28,200
was supposed to last a couple of hours.
208
00:09:28,220 --> 00:09:29,627
It took four.
209
00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,820
When you woke up from surgery,
210
00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,214
what was that like?
211
00:09:33,230 --> 00:09:35,240
A nightmare.
212
00:09:35,260 --> 00:09:37,801
I woke up in a nightmare,
213
00:09:37,820 --> 00:09:39,820
tubes coming out of everywhere.
214
00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,473
Feeding tubes, drain tubes.
215
00:09:42,490 --> 00:09:45,601
I couldn't move, and the pain...
216
00:09:45,620 --> 00:09:47,854
They were pumping me full of blood,
217
00:09:47,870 --> 00:09:49,355
and I didn't know why.
218
00:09:49,370 --> 00:09:51,774
I was sore. I hurt.
219
00:09:51,780 --> 00:09:53,692
- I was worse.
- Couldn't move,
220
00:09:53,710 --> 00:09:56,278
and my wife told me he'd found a tumor
221
00:09:56,290 --> 00:09:58,493
and had to abort the surgery.
222
00:09:58,510 --> 00:10:00,900
It turns out it was a piece
of my neck muscle.
223
00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,578
Every bone hurt. I was crying.
224
00:10:04,590 --> 00:10:07,248
I'm sober, so I can't take the meds.
225
00:10:07,260 --> 00:10:08,916
She never woke up.
226
00:10:08,930 --> 00:10:11,341
I went home. I laid around.
227
00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,080
Wasn't eating or drinking anything
228
00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:15,214
'cause of the sore throat.
229
00:10:15,230 --> 00:10:16,840
I remember being like I was a baby.
230
00:10:16,860 --> 00:10:18,884
You know, like a baby who
can't hold himself up.
231
00:10:18,900 --> 00:10:20,900
First thing that went through my mind:
232
00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,263
what's he done to me?
233
00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,474
He looked at the incision
and said everything was fine.
234
00:10:25,490 --> 00:10:27,060
He kept repeating himself.
235
00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,399
He kept saying that what was wrong
236
00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:29,979
wasn't related to the surgery.
237
00:10:29,990 --> 00:10:31,840
I knew there was something
wrong with this guy.
238
00:10:31,860 --> 00:10:34,275
Sorry, man. You looked high as a kite.
239
00:10:34,290 --> 00:10:35,940
- Objection.
- Sustained.
240
00:10:35,970 --> 00:10:37,695
Has this changed your life?
241
00:10:37,700 --> 00:10:39,380
I walk with a limp.
242
00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,949
I have trouble with incontinence,
243
00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,534
erectile dysfunction.
244
00:10:43,540 --> 00:10:44,720
I can't sing.
245
00:10:47,780 --> 00:10:49,580
Not that I was ever a good singer,
246
00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,711
but that's just an everyday reminder.
247
00:10:53,730 --> 00:10:55,840
She was the love of my life.
248
00:10:58,820 --> 00:11:01,000
It's hard to get over a broken heart.
249
00:11:01,020 --> 00:11:04,474
Just living one day at a
time, just like recovery.
250
00:11:04,490 --> 00:11:07,231
I can't play with my
children like I used to.
251
00:11:07,250 --> 00:11:10,354
I learned ways to control the pain,
252
00:11:10,370 --> 00:11:12,855
mostly through prayer and meditation.
253
00:11:12,870 --> 00:11:16,323
I sit in a recliner, watch TV,
254
00:11:16,340 --> 00:11:19,737
a lot of medicine, antidepressants.
255
00:11:19,740 --> 00:11:21,460
I miss her.
256
00:11:23,660 --> 00:11:25,950
She was...
257
00:11:25,970 --> 00:11:31,206
she was a very... very good woman.
258
00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,040
And that's all I can say.
259
00:11:37,290 --> 00:11:39,820
Can you tell us how old you are?
260
00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,860
70.
261
00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,600
And what did you do for a living?
262
00:11:45,620 --> 00:11:48,210
I was a teacher's aide,
263
00:11:48,230 --> 00:11:52,380
and then I worked in
physical therapy for a bit.
264
00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,647
Ironic.
265
00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,580
What took you to Christopher Duntsch?
266
00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,500
I had back pain for years,
267
00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:06,180
and it radiated to the end of my foot.
268
00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,400
And I tried all the treatments.
269
00:12:09,420 --> 00:12:12,793
Steroid shots, PT.
270
00:12:12,810 --> 00:12:14,375
Nothing worked.
271
00:12:14,390 --> 00:12:16,420
Before you met the defendant,
272
00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:17,964
had you had surgery?
273
00:12:17,980 --> 00:12:20,011
Mm-hmm. 2008.
274
00:12:20,030 --> 00:12:21,382
A laminectomy.
275
00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,601
It helped for a number of years,
276
00:12:25,620 --> 00:12:30,523
but it didn't last and then
my pain management team
277
00:12:30,540 --> 00:12:32,600
referred me to Dr. Duntsch.
278
00:12:32,620 --> 00:12:36,355
How did you feel going into the surgery?
279
00:12:36,370 --> 00:12:41,100
Fine. Good.
280
00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,300
I walked into the hospital happy,
281
00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,820
and I was thinking,
"This is gonna fix it."
282
00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,872
And how did you feel when you woke up?
283
00:12:55,380 --> 00:12:57,860
I was in pain.
284
00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,480
[DISQUIETING MUSIC]
285
00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:03,716
I was in pain,
286
00:13:03,730 --> 00:13:06,320
and no one could tell me
what was wrong with me
287
00:13:06,340 --> 00:13:09,013
until Dr. Henderson.
288
00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:15,160
He said that he thought that the
fusion was improperly placed,
289
00:13:15,180 --> 00:13:20,361
and that something was
pressing against a nerve.
290
00:13:20,380 --> 00:13:23,680
He said he didn't want
to wait to operate on me,
291
00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:26,071
so they rushed me in.
292
00:13:26,090 --> 00:13:29,742
What happened after Dr.
Henderson operated on you?
293
00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,001
The pain was much better, and I could...
294
00:13:33,020 --> 00:13:36,423
I could move my right foot a bit,
295
00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,420
but not my left.
296
00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,340
So prior to surgery with
Christopher Duntsch,
297
00:13:42,370 --> 00:13:47,384
you had pain, but you
could still live life.
298
00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,700
And now?
299
00:13:53,420 --> 00:13:55,020
I wish I could go back to the days
300
00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,813
before I met Christopher Duntsch.
301
00:13:57,830 --> 00:14:01,482
[UNSETTLING MUSIC]
302
00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:04,500
[FAINT INDISTINCT CHATTER]
303
00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,240
Would you please introduce
yourself to the jury?
304
00:14:13,260 --> 00:14:15,160
Randall Parker Kirby.
305
00:14:15,180 --> 00:14:18,650
I went to Rice undergrad.
Baylor for medical school.
306
00:14:18,670 --> 00:14:21,835
Stayed at Baylor for my five-year
general surgery residency
307
00:14:21,850 --> 00:14:24,046
as well as my two-year
vascular surgery fellowship.
308
00:14:24,050 --> 00:14:27,900
I have privileges at every
major hospital in Dallas,
309
00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,280
including Baylor, Medical City Dallas,
310
00:14:30,300 --> 00:14:31,762
Medical City Children's,
311
00:14:31,780 --> 00:14:35,549
Methodist, Dallas Medical, Presbyterian,
312
00:14:35,550 --> 00:14:38,380
and approximately 40
other smaller hospitals
313
00:14:38,410 --> 00:14:41,605
and outpatient surgery centers
here in the metroplex.
314
00:14:41,620 --> 00:14:46,193
My area of expertise is
anterior spinal access.
315
00:14:46,210 --> 00:14:48,540
I work with most of the neurosurgical
316
00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,744
and orthopedic spine
surgeons here in DFW.
317
00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,900
I open up the chest and the
abdomen so they can correct
318
00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,874
whatever deformity they need
to correct in the front.
319
00:14:58,890 --> 00:15:04,381
I perform between two to four
of these operations per day.
320
00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,700
Five... call it six days a week.
321
00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,763
I do hernias, gallbladders,
322
00:15:10,780 --> 00:15:13,387
blockages of the legs and
the neck arteries, anyone?
323
00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:18,070
But my area of expertise and
the chapters I've published
324
00:15:18,090 --> 00:15:19,977
have all been on anterior spine access.
325
00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:21,900
And were you called in on a case
326
00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,111
regarding a patient named Joe Padua?
327
00:15:24,130 --> 00:15:28,260
Yeah, he works with the company
that takes care of my pool.
328
00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,660
I was asked to come in, lend a hand.
329
00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,406
It seemed nobody else was available.
330
00:15:32,420 --> 00:15:33,448
Available?
331
00:15:33,460 --> 00:15:34,831
Nobody wanted to work with him.
332
00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:35,980
Objection.
333
00:15:36,010 --> 00:15:37,379
The witness has no way of knowing that.
334
00:15:37,380 --> 00:15:38,680
[CHUCKLES] Oh, I do.
335
00:15:38,700 --> 00:15:40,949
- Sustained.
- Eh.
336
00:15:40,950 --> 00:15:44,180
Did you know Dr. Duntsch
prior to this surgery?
337
00:15:44,210 --> 00:15:46,881
I met him one time before
we had a conversation.
338
00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:50,940
I was scrubbing in on a case,
and he tried to convince me
339
00:15:50,970 --> 00:15:54,136
that he was the best
spine surgeon in town.
340
00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:57,810
I found the conversation disturbing.
341
00:15:57,830 --> 00:16:00,604
I mean, sure, most surgeons
are superior sons of guns,
342
00:16:00,620 --> 00:16:02,313
some would even say yours truly,
343
00:16:02,330 --> 00:16:04,901
but this guy was next level.
344
00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,401
I mean, he tried to tell me
that all the surgeries in Dallas
345
00:16:07,420 --> 00:16:09,067
were being performed incorrectly.
346
00:16:10,220 --> 00:16:13,410
And what did you observe
during your operation with him?
347
00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:16,240
An anterior lumbar fusion at L5-S1
348
00:16:16,260 --> 00:16:19,600
is about the easiest procedure
a spine surgeon can perform,
349
00:16:19,620 --> 00:16:21,583
and he just struggled.
350
00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,139
I mean, he was functioning at the level
351
00:16:23,140 --> 00:16:25,883
of a first-or second-year resident.
352
00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:28,714
Instead of using a scalpel
to remove the disc,
353
00:16:28,730 --> 00:16:32,215
he just started grabbing at it
with a double-action rongeur.
354
00:16:33,940 --> 00:16:36,950
All right, imagine, instead
of using a pizza slicer
355
00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,894
to divide and conquer your
extra-large pepperoni,
356
00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:43,353
you went after it with a
pair of lockjaw pliers.
357
00:16:43,370 --> 00:16:45,812
Not appetizing, right?
358
00:16:45,830 --> 00:16:49,080
Did it appear to you that
there was more blood loss
359
00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:51,903
- than there should be?
- When he was taking the disc out,
360
00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,531
he took off a bit of bone
361
00:16:53,550 --> 00:16:56,573
from the bottom of
the L5 vertebral body.
362
00:16:56,580 --> 00:17:00,160
In surgical parlance,
he violated the endplate.
363
00:17:00,180 --> 00:17:02,541
Very difficult to do in healthy bone.
364
00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,331
He did the same thing to the sacrum.
365
00:17:04,350 --> 00:17:06,560
When you start chewing into bone,
366
00:17:06,580 --> 00:17:07,754
you get a lot of bleeding.
367
00:17:07,770 --> 00:17:11,761
It's not easy to stop bleeding
when it's coming from bone.
368
00:17:11,780 --> 00:17:14,257
You're just really not
supposed to do that.
369
00:17:14,270 --> 00:17:16,635
What are you supposed to do?
370
00:17:16,650 --> 00:17:18,820
Curet off the cartilage.
371
00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,683
A curet is like a scraper.
372
00:17:20,700 --> 00:17:22,391
You scrape off all the cartilage
373
00:17:22,410 --> 00:17:23,820
so you can get a proper fusion,
374
00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,720
and then heal bone to bone.
375
00:17:25,740 --> 00:17:27,903
When did you leave the surgery?
376
00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,680
Midway, I was called into a
previously scheduled operation.
377
00:17:31,700 --> 00:17:35,153
- Grudgingly.
- Grudgingly. Why grudgingly?
378
00:17:35,170 --> 00:17:37,781
[SOFT TENSE MUSIC]
379
00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,873
♪ ♪
380
00:17:40,890 --> 00:17:44,293
He was the neurosurgeon.
He was in charge.
381
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:45,874
I did my job.
382
00:17:45,890 --> 00:17:51,340
I did my best to guide
him, and then I left.
383
00:17:52,290 --> 00:17:56,040
In hindsight, I suppose I could
have dragged him out of there.
384
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:59,636
If there's ever a next time, I will.
385
00:17:59,650 --> 00:18:02,480
[FAINT INDISTINCT CHATTER]
386
00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,930
- State passes.
- Defense.
387
00:18:14,580 --> 00:18:18,280
You stated that Dr. Duntsch
was operating at the level
388
00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:21,158
of a first-or second-year
surgical resident.
389
00:18:21,170 --> 00:18:24,831
How many years does a neurosurgical
resident typically study?
390
00:18:24,850 --> 00:18:26,400
Six.
391
00:18:26,420 --> 00:18:28,711
And would that include his training?
392
00:18:28,730 --> 00:18:31,140
[LAUGHS SOFTLY] Or lack thereof.
393
00:18:32,930 --> 00:18:35,460
Or lack thereof.
394
00:18:38,140 --> 00:18:39,426
Well said.
395
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:42,179
Defense passes the witness.
396
00:18:42,190 --> 00:18:45,098
We stand in recess until tomorrow.
397
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:48,101
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]
398
00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:50,270
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
399
00:18:50,290 --> 00:18:57,986
♪ ♪
400
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,570
We can shift the blame to your training.
401
00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,160
My training was some of
the best in the world.
402
00:19:09,180 --> 00:19:12,417
No, it was some of the worst.
403
00:19:13,580 --> 00:19:15,160
What are you talking about?
404
00:19:15,180 --> 00:19:17,360
We'll say you slipped
through the cracks.
405
00:19:17,380 --> 00:19:19,039
You were told you were
good enough to graduate,
406
00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,469
but you didn't have
enough training hours.
407
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:23,063
Your financial ties to Skadden
408
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,360
and the rest of the investors
blinded them to your...
409
00:19:25,380 --> 00:19:26,556
- to your flaws.
- Stop.
410
00:19:26,570 --> 00:19:29,351
The entire medical community of
Dallas should have recognized it.
411
00:19:29,370 --> 00:19:32,280
Instead, they simply moved
you from hospital to hospital.
412
00:19:32,300 --> 00:19:35,900
You are erasing my legacy.
413
00:19:37,580 --> 00:19:39,400
Legacy?
414
00:19:39,420 --> 00:19:43,031
Christopher, you're done.
415
00:19:43,050 --> 00:19:46,060
- Fuck you. Fuck you.
- You'll never practice medicine again.
416
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,339
And why aren't you pushing
back on any of their witnesses?
417
00:19:48,340 --> 00:19:49,836
How exactly would I do that, Chris?
418
00:19:49,850 --> 00:19:51,790
I don't know. That's your job, isn't it?
419
00:19:51,810 --> 00:19:52,820
You break them down.
420
00:19:52,830 --> 00:19:53,979
- You tell them they're wrong.
- Chris...
421
00:19:53,980 --> 00:19:56,550
You get them to admit...
admit whatever it was
422
00:19:56,570 --> 00:19:58,559
that they lied to me about
that messed up their surgery.
423
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,280
- Chris...
- You do something to defend me.
424
00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:02,717
The only witness,
425
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,470
the only defense that I have right now
426
00:20:04,490 --> 00:20:06,471
is gonna speak to your narcissism.
427
00:20:07,980 --> 00:20:10,440
Our best bet is to prove
428
00:20:10,460 --> 00:20:12,300
that you never should
have practiced medicine.
429
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,020
Give me this. Please give me this,
430
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,419
and we might be able to save you.
431
00:20:17,420 --> 00:20:20,000
[SIGHS]
432
00:21:09,660 --> 00:21:12,120
Thanks for being here
today, Mr. Summers.
433
00:21:12,140 --> 00:21:16,020
Can you tell us how
you know Mr. Duntsch?
434
00:21:18,780 --> 00:21:20,900
We were classmates.
435
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,220
Went to high school together.
436
00:21:23,230 --> 00:21:24,520
Lost touch.
437
00:21:24,540 --> 00:21:28,101
Reconnected when he returned
to medical school in Memphis.
438
00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:31,480
What led you to have
surgery with Mr. Duntsch?
439
00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:35,310
Sharp, stabbing-like
sticking pain in my neck.
440
00:21:35,330 --> 00:21:36,651
Numbness.
441
00:21:36,670 --> 00:21:38,355
Did he explain the risks?
442
00:21:38,370 --> 00:21:40,232
He advised it was dangerous.
443
00:21:41,250 --> 00:21:43,443
He promised to take care of me.
444
00:21:43,450 --> 00:21:47,447
What did you do the
night before the surgery?
445
00:21:56,740 --> 00:22:01,000
Watched a game. Basketball.
446
00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:04,060
Then I went to bed around 10:00.
447
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,676
May... maybe more like 11:30.
448
00:22:08,620 --> 00:22:12,630
What's the first thing you
remember after the surgery?
449
00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:17,340
I could barely move.
450
00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:23,000
I just kind of started
freaking out, hollering.
451
00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:24,484
Wanting to know what was going on.
452
00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:27,821
And did Chris come and talk to you?
453
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,081
Not at first, but eventually.
454
00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:35,280
And then they took me
in for a second surgery,
455
00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:37,920
and when I got out,
I couldn't move at all.
456
00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:40,930
Do you remember making
a statement in the ICU
457
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:43,480
that you and Chris were
doing cocaine together
458
00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:45,180
the night prior to surgery?
459
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,820
I wanted to see him.
460
00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,645
He wasn't coming around,
and I... I was mad.
461
00:23:00,660 --> 00:23:03,361
I made it up.
462
00:23:03,380 --> 00:23:06,283
He was my doctor.
463
00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:10,701
I wanted to know why I couldn't
move. He was in charge.
464
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,949
He wouldn't come see me.
465
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,360
And he was your friend?
466
00:23:19,470 --> 00:23:22,400
Let the record show the witness nodded.
467
00:23:22,420 --> 00:23:24,711
He was your best friend?
468
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,090
Let the record show the witness nodded.
469
00:23:30,750 --> 00:23:33,345
And he abandoned you?
470
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:36,353
[PENSIVE MUSIC]
471
00:23:36,370 --> 00:23:37,683
♪ ♪
472
00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:39,500
The State passes the witness.
473
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,110
I'm terribly sorry for
what happened to you.
474
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,123
You and Chris played
football together, yes?
475
00:23:58,140 --> 00:23:59,160
That's right.
476
00:23:59,180 --> 00:24:02,293
And did you have some victories
477
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:04,501
and some not-so-great games?
478
00:24:06,490 --> 00:24:07,629
Yeah.
479
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,971
And how did Chris deal with those games?
480
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:14,135
Did he always go in and
always try to do his best?
481
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,471
Yeah.
482
00:24:18,380 --> 00:24:21,440
Were you aware that he was
in a fellowship program
483
00:24:21,460 --> 00:24:23,728
studying under Dr. Geoffrey Skadden?
484
00:24:23,740 --> 00:24:25,100
Yes.
485
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,830
And from your understanding,
was it very important,
486
00:24:27,850 --> 00:24:30,026
what he was doing for Dr. Skadden?
487
00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:33,029
Yeah.
488
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,560
And things like doing surgeries
489
00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:39,340
while he was there under
Skadden's supervision,
490
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:42,584
that was important to becoming
a successful surgeon?
491
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,915
Yeah.
492
00:24:43,930 --> 00:24:47,133
Did you ever see Chris
get out of obligations
493
00:24:47,150 --> 00:24:48,795
that he had at school?
494
00:24:50,330 --> 00:24:52,134
I felt that way sometimes.
495
00:24:52,150 --> 00:24:54,141
Can you give us an example of that?
496
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,853
Like, something that you saw
or that made you think that?
497
00:24:57,870 --> 00:25:01,420
I can just remember maybe
making a phone call to a doctor,
498
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,560
maybe Dr. Skadden or another doctor,
499
00:25:03,580 --> 00:25:07,313
to say that he had stuff
to do for DiscGenics.
500
00:25:07,330 --> 00:25:13,520
And I can remember them let
him out whatever he had to do.
501
00:25:13,550 --> 00:25:15,663
When you would find out that Dr. Skadden
502
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,780
and/or some other doctor
would just excuse him
503
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,035
from doing things at school
in lieu of staying in the lab,
504
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,279
I mean, did you think
that was a problem?
505
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,800
I never knew that,
506
00:25:23,820 --> 00:25:26,791
you know, what was
happening, and so I... I...
507
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,480
I don't know what he was missing
or where he was going.
508
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:32,422
- So I... I don't know.
- Okay.
509
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,340
Well, did you ever meet
any one of his classmates,
510
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:39,280
or anyone who went to the University
of Tennessee Med School,
511
00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:40,840
and talk to them about the rigors
512
00:25:40,860 --> 00:25:43,933
of completing medical school
and completing that fellowship?
513
00:25:45,020 --> 00:25:46,350
I don't remember.
514
00:25:46,370 --> 00:25:48,470
You don't remember anyone saying
515
00:25:48,490 --> 00:25:51,530
that he only got through medical school
516
00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:52,859
because Skadden liked him?
517
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:55,360
I heard that after... you know,
518
00:25:55,380 --> 00:25:57,322
something similar to
that since my surgery.
519
00:25:57,340 --> 00:26:00,575
Do you remember who that was
that told you that or is that...
520
00:26:00,580 --> 00:26:03,620
I heard it from a friend who
heard it from another friend,
521
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,080
and he made a comment
522
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:09,501
that Chris was able to
circumvent the program.
523
00:26:10,410 --> 00:26:13,254
Did they attribute that
circumventing to Dr. Skadden
524
00:26:13,270 --> 00:26:15,260
- or some other doctor or both?
- I don't know.
525
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,758
- I don't... I don't know.
- Okay.
526
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,973
I don't know.
527
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:20,439
- Okay, you said you understood...
- I think what they attributed to
528
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,149
is the fact that they had
companies with them.
529
00:26:22,150 --> 00:26:24,580
Well, that was the next thing
I was gonna ask you about.
530
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,313
You said they had companies with him.
531
00:26:28,330 --> 00:26:31,401
They gave all the funds
to those companies.
532
00:26:31,420 --> 00:26:32,500
Right.
533
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,150
For him to do the research, right?
534
00:26:34,780 --> 00:26:35,818
Right.
535
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:38,493
Okay, and it was very important
536
00:26:38,510 --> 00:26:40,680
that research be successful
537
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:42,440
to those companies. Is that correct?
538
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,320
Yeah.
539
00:26:46,340 --> 00:26:48,423
Now, when Chris moved here,
540
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,173
did he cut off all work
541
00:26:50,190 --> 00:26:53,303
with Dr. Skadden and DiscGenics?
542
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,360
Not that I know of.
543
00:26:54,380 --> 00:26:55,980
So Chris came to Dallas,
544
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,180
and he worked at the Minimally
Invasive Spine Institute.
545
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,094
- Is that correct?
- Yeah.
546
00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:02,974
And while he was working there,
547
00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:05,260
he was being pursued by Amy Piel
548
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,141
at Baylor-Plano. Is that correct?
549
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,771
Well, she was interested in having
550
00:27:08,790 --> 00:27:10,687
a successful clinic on the property.
551
00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:14,361
Mm-hmm. All to herself.
552
00:27:14,380 --> 00:27:17,920
Because if he was with Missy,
553
00:27:17,950 --> 00:27:21,850
she wasn't getting all the
fees that he would generate.
554
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:25,450
Yeah.
555
00:27:25,470 --> 00:27:31,760
So both the chair of his fellowship,
556
00:27:31,780 --> 00:27:33,830
the person responsible for his training,
557
00:27:33,850 --> 00:27:36,060
and one of the largest hospitals
558
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,140
in the Dallas-Fort Worth
area had financial reasons
559
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,740
for ensuring that Christopher
Duntsch was successful.
560
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,185
I'd say so.
561
00:27:54,780 --> 00:27:57,530
Defense passes the witness.
562
00:27:57,540 --> 00:27:59,652
Redirect.
563
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,740
Did Christopher ever visit
you after the surgery?
564
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,380
After you returned home to Memphis?
565
00:28:09,220 --> 00:28:12,240
Once. He came to visit.
566
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,627
What did you talk about?
567
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,280
His baby, his practice.
568
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:23,092
Nothing in depth.
569
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:25,553
Did he ask about you?
570
00:28:26,340 --> 00:28:29,900
About what was happening in your life?
571
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,521
No.
572
00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:39,863
Ms. McClung said that she was sorry
573
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,300
for what happened to you,
574
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,405
even though she has no
connection to your surgery.
575
00:28:44,420 --> 00:28:49,140
Has Christopher ever said he was sorry?
576
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,543
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
577
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,631
♪ ♪
578
00:28:55,650 --> 00:28:57,960
No.
579
00:29:01,270 --> 00:29:05,093
Final question, Mr. Summers.
580
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:07,351
He's here now.
581
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:10,063
Is there anything you
want to say to him?
582
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,642
- Objection.
- Sustained.
583
00:29:17,260 --> 00:29:18,890
I love you.
584
00:29:18,910 --> 00:29:22,151
The jury will disregard
that last statement.
585
00:29:22,820 --> 00:29:26,070
The State has no further questions.
586
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,919
Would you please introduce
yourself to the jury?
587
00:29:39,930 --> 00:29:41,971
Major Kimberly Morgan.
588
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:43,473
United States Air Force.
589
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:45,720
And are you currently out on deployment
590
00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:47,635
in a location you cannot disclose?
591
00:29:47,650 --> 00:29:49,580
Yes, ma'am, due to security.
592
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,300
Are you familiar with a person
named Christopher Duntsch?
593
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,780
Yes, ma'am. I ran the
office at his clinic
594
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,233
and assisted in surgery.
595
00:29:57,250 --> 00:29:59,800
Can you tell us what
the defendant was like?
596
00:29:59,820 --> 00:30:00,857
His demeanor?
597
00:30:00,860 --> 00:30:03,568
Caring, kind,
598
00:30:03,580 --> 00:30:05,740
always very nice to the patients.
599
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,323
He took time to listen to them.
600
00:30:07,340 --> 00:30:12,200
And did that change over the course
of the time you were with him?
601
00:30:12,220 --> 00:30:17,753
Yes, after the event in February 2012.
602
00:30:17,770 --> 00:30:19,260
The event?
603
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:22,670
Jerry Summers' surgery.
604
00:30:22,690 --> 00:30:25,465
[TENDER MUSIC]
605
00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:30,180
Mr. Summers wasn't
able to use his limbs,
606
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,860
was having difficulty breathing,
607
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,330
and then he talked about
how he and Dr. Duntsch
608
00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:39,000
were doing cocaine the
night before the surgery.
609
00:30:39,020 --> 00:30:41,700
You were ordered to take a drug test?
610
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,364
Myself and Dr. Duntsch.
I took it right away that day.
611
00:30:45,380 --> 00:30:48,031
- Did the defendant?
- Eventually.
612
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,407
It came back clean, and Baylor
reinstated his privileges.
613
00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:55,536
Shelley Brennan would be the
last patient you assisted on?
614
00:30:57,610 --> 00:30:58,680
Yes.
615
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:01,417
What do you remember about her surgery?
616
00:31:02,410 --> 00:31:05,379
[OMINOUS MUSIC]
617
00:31:05,390 --> 00:31:12,223
♪ ♪
618
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,800
It's a simple surgery.
619
00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:17,740
In one day, home the next.
620
00:31:20,550 --> 00:31:25,316
This is an email from
Duntsch@TNIclinic.net
621
00:31:25,330 --> 00:31:27,485
to Kimberly Morgan.
622
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:29,701
The subject is "Occam's Razor."
623
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,560
"Kim, unfortunately,
you cannot understand
624
00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:38,059
"that I really am building an empire,
625
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:40,920
"and I am so far outside the box
626
00:31:40,940 --> 00:31:45,211
"that the Earth is small
and the Sun is bright.
627
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:46,780
"Anyone close to me
628
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,970
"thinks that I'm likely something
between God, Einstein,
629
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:52,880
and the Antichrist...
630
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:55,388
Because how can I do
anything that I want
631
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,040
across any discipline boundary
632
00:31:57,060 --> 00:32:00,140
like it's a playground
and never ever lose?
633
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,640
Unfortunately, despite the
fact that I am winning,
634
00:32:03,662 --> 00:32:05,944
it is not happening fast enough.
635
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,060
What is the problem, Kim?
636
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,440
It is simply that everyone
else is human,
637
00:32:11,460 --> 00:32:14,240
and there's nothing I can do about it.
638
00:32:14,260 --> 00:32:17,331
So I pick and choose my humans
639
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:20,260
and try to help them.
640
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,100
You, my child,
641
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,160
are the only one standing
between me and the other side.
642
00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:34,620
I am ready to leave the love
and kindness and goodness
643
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,660
and patience that I mixed
with everything else that I am
644
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,350
and become a cold-blooded killer.
645
00:32:41,370 --> 00:32:45,280
The sad fact is, I could
go faster, do better,
646
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:47,400
catch more honor and respect
647
00:32:47,420 --> 00:32:49,820
by fucking everybody in the brain,
648
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,736
emotionally and mentally
controlling them
649
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:54,071
in a manner that borders on abuse,
650
00:32:54,090 --> 00:32:58,373
taking no prisoners,
sending everyone in my way,
651
00:32:58,390 --> 00:33:01,541
especially that fucks with me, to hell
652
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,580
for the simple fact that
they thought they could.
653
00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:11,050
What I am being as what I am,
654
00:33:11,070 --> 00:33:14,094
one of a kind,
655
00:33:14,110 --> 00:33:18,721
a motherfucker stone-cold killer.
656
00:33:22,780 --> 00:33:24,977
I'll pass my witness, Your Honor.
657
00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:31,220
I don't think it's morning
where you are, but good morning.
658
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,480
Now, the State is making a
big deal out of this email
659
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:37,120
they just read.
660
00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:40,076
Did you know Christopher liked poetry?
661
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,874
I found out later.
662
00:33:41,890 --> 00:33:45,671
But you're not surprised by
his... his flowery language.
663
00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:47,819
I mean, he sent emails
like that one quite often,
664
00:33:47,820 --> 00:33:49,080
- didn't he?
- Yes.
665
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:52,630
Do you think Dr. Duntsch
was a cold-blooded killer?
666
00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:54,080
No.
667
00:33:54,110 --> 00:33:57,143
Now, it's no secret that
you and Dr. Duntsch
668
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,920
had an intimate relationship.
669
00:33:59,940 --> 00:34:01,900
We know that involves sex,
670
00:34:01,930 --> 00:34:04,640
but was there an emotional element?
671
00:34:04,660 --> 00:34:07,840
- Meaning?
- Well, among the people in his life,
672
00:34:07,860 --> 00:34:10,272
based on everything you saw
673
00:34:10,290 --> 00:34:12,944
working with him day in and day out,
674
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,318
sleeping with him,
675
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,460
you thought you were pretty close?
676
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,697
I thought so.
677
00:34:17,710 --> 00:34:22,785
Close enough that perhaps you didn't
allow yourself to see the truth?
678
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,079
The truth?
679
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,171
About his abilities.
680
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:28,708
I don't understand.
681
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:31,293
Was he a good surgeon?
682
00:34:33,020 --> 00:34:35,200
That's outside my area of expertise.
683
00:34:35,220 --> 00:34:37,466
You were in his office.
You were in the O.R.
684
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,053
You don't have a professional opinion?
685
00:34:39,070 --> 00:34:40,344
No.
686
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,220
Okay, well, after Shelley Brennan,
687
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:45,483
did you ever work with
Dr. Duntsch again?
688
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:47,018
- No.
- Why not?
689
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:51,060
I didn't wanna be in that
environment anymore.
690
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,566
That environment? What environment?
691
00:34:53,580 --> 00:34:55,680
[UNEASY MUSIC]
692
00:34:55,700 --> 00:34:58,201
♪ ♪
693
00:34:58,220 --> 00:35:02,220
Unhealthy, you know?
694
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:04,280
You mean the environment
in which patients
695
00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:05,661
were being maimed and killed?
696
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,580
- Objection.
- Sustained.
697
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,331
Just one more question.
698
00:35:09,350 --> 00:35:14,378
If you believed that Dr. Duntsch
wanted to hurt patients,
699
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:16,721
you certainly would go and
tell somebody about that,
700
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:18,007
wouldn't you?
701
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:25,220
Yes, ma'am.
702
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,650
Pass the witness.
703
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:34,033
Stay safe, Ms. Morgan,
wherever you've gone.
704
00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:38,750
♪ ♪
705
00:35:50,410 --> 00:35:51,457
How are you feeling?
706
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,591
If they ask me questions
about Duntsch's training,
707
00:35:56,610 --> 00:35:59,006
I can't promise you
what I'm going to say.
708
00:36:01,210 --> 00:36:03,052
Yeah.
709
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,930
If we can't present our entire case,
710
00:36:07,950 --> 00:36:10,351
the good, bad, everything,
711
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:13,193
if we can't lay it all
out and still win,
712
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,071
then we shouldn't win.
713
00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:16,482
[CELL PHONE BUZZES]
714
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:20,140
- You take that call.
- Hey, Ma. Hang on a sec.
715
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,530
Dr. Henderson.
716
00:36:23,260 --> 00:36:27,368
If they ask, answer how you want.
717
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,680
Thank you.
718
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,120
Yeah, I'm here.
719
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,780
We asked you here to give your opinion
720
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,949
on four different cases
the defendant performed.
721
00:37:05,950 --> 00:37:09,618
What surgery did the defendant
recommend for Jerry Summers?
722
00:37:09,620 --> 00:37:14,793
An anterior cervical
fusion at C3-4 and C4-5.
723
00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:17,320
What was the outcome of
Mr. Summer's surgery?
724
00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:20,045
He was rendered a quadriplegic.
725
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,590
Would you walk us through it?
726
00:37:23,610 --> 00:37:25,217
There was a lot of bleeding.
727
00:37:25,230 --> 00:37:26,960
- Suction.
- Suction.
728
00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:30,222
Sponge. Give me a sponge.
729
00:37:31,660 --> 00:37:34,894
How many CCs were lost?
730
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:40,190
A typical loss is somewhere
between 25 and 200 CCs.
731
00:37:40,210 --> 00:37:43,527
Mr. Summers lost 1,900 CCs.
732
00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:46,822
What accounts for that
amount of blood loss?
733
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,949
Injuring a major structure.
734
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,020
Pituitary.
735
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:55,300
He removed the disc from C3-4 and
C4-5, as he was supposed to do,
736
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,959
and then he removed a tremendous
amount of bone on the left side.
737
00:38:00,350 --> 00:38:03,172
Over a third of the vertebral body.
738
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:06,675
And in doing so, he lacerated
the vertebral artery.
739
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:15,300
The defendant chose to go
back in for a second surgery.
740
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,063
What procedure did he perform?
741
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,600
Double action.
742
00:38:18,620 --> 00:38:22,531
A laminectomy in order to
relieve pressure on the spine.
743
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:24,568
But by removing excessive bone
744
00:38:24,580 --> 00:38:26,660
from both the front and the back,
745
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,540
you're compromising
the entire structure.
746
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,116
In layman's terms?
747
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:36,372
His head was barely
attached to his spine.
748
00:38:36,380 --> 00:38:39,750
[SOFT GASPS, EXHALES]
749
00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:41,794
Let's move on to Shelley Brennan.
750
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:44,260
The surgery Duntsch recommended,
751
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,674
was that a surgery that
would fix her issue?
752
00:38:46,690 --> 00:38:47,880
Yes.
753
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:51,200
What was the outcome of
Mrs. Brennan's operation?
754
00:38:51,220 --> 00:38:52,260
She died.
755
00:38:52,740 --> 00:38:55,260
Is that normal for this
type of procedure?
756
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,630
Mortalities are less than 1 in 10,000.
757
00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:03,300
The pituitary rongeur went through
the ligament in the front
758
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,480
and lacerated the iliac vessels
759
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,440
that lie directly on the side.
760
00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:10,800
- So Mrs. Brennan was bleeding?
- Heavily.
761
00:39:10,820 --> 00:39:14,751
Would there have been blood
visible in the operative site?
762
00:39:14,770 --> 00:39:16,078
Sometimes, yes.
763
00:39:16,090 --> 00:39:18,289
It doesn't appear to have
been the case here,
764
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:20,833
but they should have noticed
a drop in her blood pressure.
765
00:39:20,850 --> 00:39:25,460
Should a neurosurgeon know
that a drop in blood pressure
766
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,339
means there's a bleed somewhere?
767
00:39:27,350 --> 00:39:30,759
It's a fundamental rule,
768
00:39:30,770 --> 00:39:35,180
but the likelihood of them being
able to address the issue is small.
769
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,225
They'd call in a vascular
surgeon for assistance.
770
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,930
But he didn't do that.
771
00:39:43,780 --> 00:39:44,940
No.
772
00:39:46,540 --> 00:39:47,680
Dorothy Burke.
773
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:51,034
Mrs. Burke had a previous
anterior cervical fusion
774
00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:56,041
at C5-6 and C6-7 that resolved
her symptoms for a time,
775
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:58,590
but she began experiencing
neck and shoulder pain
776
00:39:58,610 --> 00:40:01,360
that had nothing to do
with her prior surgery.
777
00:40:01,380 --> 00:40:05,120
Dr. Duntsch diagnosed a
disc protrusion at C4-5
778
00:40:05,140 --> 00:40:08,672
and a disc extrusion at the C7 T1 level.
779
00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:13,264
He sliced through the
vertebral artery again.
780
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,680
[MONITOR BEEPING]
781
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:23,200
We've been talking a lot
about the vertebral artery.
782
00:40:23,220 --> 00:40:25,898
Is it common for it to
be hit during surgery?
783
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:27,300
Exceptionally rare.
784
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,360
- How many times have you hit it?
- Never.
785
00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:32,696
And what happened to Mrs.
Burke after her surgery?
786
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:36,280
Her heart rate elevated.
She couldn't open her eyes.
787
00:40:36,310 --> 00:40:39,870
No verbal response to
questioning or commands.
788
00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:44,583
And what does that indicate to
anyone in the medical field?
789
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,540
An impending disaster.
790
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,134
What should Mr. Duntsch have done
791
00:40:49,150 --> 00:40:51,900
as soon as he was informed
of that information?
792
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,300
Physically examine the patient.
793
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,700
Order appropriate studies. Scans.
794
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:59,160
They were ordered by the ICU physician,
795
00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:01,183
which showed she was brain dead.
796
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:08,565
Where was Dr. Duntsch?
797
00:41:08,580 --> 00:41:10,651
He was operating on Madeline Beyer.
798
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:13,780
Had the defendant focused
on Dorothy Burke
799
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,322
rather than Madeline Beyer,
800
00:41:15,340 --> 00:41:17,241
would she still be alive today?
801
00:41:17,260 --> 00:41:18,704
Based on what I know
802
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,480
of Dr. Duntsch's approach to surgery,
803
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:23,251
Mrs. Burke was dead the moment
she agreed for him to operate.
804
00:41:23,260 --> 00:41:24,623
Objection.
805
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:25,980
Sustained.
806
00:41:28,180 --> 00:41:30,380
Madeline Beyer?
807
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,382
Mrs. Beyer is the reason
I'm sitting here today.
808
00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:38,220
I... I tried to fix her.
809
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:41,280
One of the screws was
violating the spinal canal,
810
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:44,435
damaging dura and nerve roots.
811
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:46,560
How do you know when
you've hit the dura?
812
00:41:46,580 --> 00:41:49,064
Cerebral spinal fluid leaks out.
813
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,318
I found evidence of three
attempted screw placements
814
00:41:53,330 --> 00:41:55,980
on the left side where he put no screws.
815
00:41:58,020 --> 00:42:00,370
The most disturbing part was,
816
00:42:00,390 --> 00:42:03,540
the entire reason he was operating
817
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,040
was to remove the disc,
and he didn't touch it.
818
00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:08,754
What did he take out?
819
00:42:08,770 --> 00:42:12,000
A large piece of the psoas muscle.
820
00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:14,631
He made a portal through that muscle
821
00:42:14,650 --> 00:42:17,189
and stuffed an implant in there.
822
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:18,763
Cage.
823
00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:20,489
Is a trained neurosurgeon
824
00:42:20,490 --> 00:42:24,558
going to know the difference
between bone and muscle?
825
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,191
- Yes.
- Mallet.
826
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:28,061
Would a trained neurosurgeon know
827
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,073
that by malpositioning
the interbody device,
828
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,650
he was reasonably certain
to cause her injury?
829
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:36,340
- Yes.
- Would a trained neurosurgeon
830
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,073
have been aware that if he
malpositioned the pedicle screws,
831
00:42:40,090 --> 00:42:43,827
he was reasonably certain to
cause her serious bodily injury?
832
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,291
Yes.
833
00:42:45,310 --> 00:42:48,248
Would a trained neurosurgeon
have been aware
834
00:42:48,260 --> 00:42:50,440
that if he amputated the nerve root,
835
00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:54,046
he was reasonably certain to
cause her serious bodily injury?
836
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:57,841
- Yes.
- The way the surgical tools were used
837
00:42:57,860 --> 00:42:59,433
in Madeline Beyer's case,
838
00:42:59,450 --> 00:43:01,580
do you think they were used in a manner
839
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,590
that was capable of causing
death or serious bodily injury?
840
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:10,604
Yes.
841
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,340
We pass the witness.
842
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,480
Dr. Henderson, Ms. Shughart
made quite the point
843
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:26,083
that a trained neurosurgeon
844
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:29,206
should have done this or done that.
845
00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:32,420
You're aware Christopher
has both an MD and a PhD
846
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,295
- from the University of Tennessee.
- I am.
847
00:43:35,310 --> 00:43:39,340
UT isn't some fly-by-night
medical school.
848
00:43:39,370 --> 00:43:40,853
It's not like one of those in...
849
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:43,262
in Guadalajara or Granada, is it?
850
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,360
No, it's in Memphis.
851
00:43:45,380 --> 00:43:48,600
Do you know Dr. Geoffrey Skadden?
852
00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:52,071
- Does he have a good reputation?
- I do, and he does.
853
00:43:52,090 --> 00:43:53,980
And what was he responsible for
854
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,899
in Christopher Duntsch's training?
855
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:59,530
After Dr. Duntsch finished
his residency at UT,
856
00:43:59,550 --> 00:44:02,489
he came under the
tutelage of Dr. Skadden
857
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:03,720
for a fellowship training
858
00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:06,243
in minimally invasive spine surgery.
859
00:44:06,260 --> 00:44:08,580
Were you familiar with
the fact that Dr. Duntsch
860
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,440
was doing medical cancer
research on the side
861
00:44:11,460 --> 00:44:14,376
and that Dr. Skadden was
involved in that research?
862
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:15,963
I wasn't at the time, no.
863
00:44:15,980 --> 00:44:19,551
Should any doctor under
any circumstances
864
00:44:19,570 --> 00:44:24,011
have their surgical training
hours disrupted by research?
865
00:44:24,030 --> 00:44:25,224
Absolutely not.
866
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:28,380
So a neurosurgical resident or fellow
867
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,684
can't just skip those hours.
868
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:33,269
The supervisor has to sign
off, no matter the excuse.
869
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:34,280
Correct.
870
00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:36,148
Do the doctors in charge of the program
871
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,400
have to sign off that they're qualified
872
00:44:38,420 --> 00:44:40,331
- to go and operate?
- Yes.
873
00:44:40,332 --> 00:44:43,740
Did Dr. Skadden write
letters of recommendation
874
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,871
for Dr. Duntsch?
875
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,600
Yes, he stated Dr. Duntsch
was a satisfactory surgeon
876
00:44:48,620 --> 00:44:49,995
in his fellowship.
877
00:44:50,010 --> 00:44:53,290
Well, had Dr. Skadden heard
what was happening in Texas?
878
00:44:53,310 --> 00:44:56,780
Yes, because he had mentioned
poor outcomes at Baylor
879
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,630
when filling out a credentialing
form at Forest Park.
880
00:44:59,650 --> 00:45:00,740
Do you have any idea
881
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,340
why he wouldn't have explicitly
told these hospitals
882
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,433
not to hire Dr. Duntsch?
883
00:45:05,450 --> 00:45:08,231
Dr. Skadden said that he had
to write recommendations
884
00:45:08,250 --> 00:45:10,974
based on what he'd
witnessed in his program.
885
00:45:10,990 --> 00:45:13,894
He couldn't speak to whatever
was happening in Texas.
886
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:15,640
He didn't write any more recommendations
887
00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:17,397
for Mr. Duntsch after we spoke.
888
00:45:17,410 --> 00:45:20,531
Has there ever been an instance
889
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:25,113
in which a doctor was sued for
not writing a recommendation?
890
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:27,413
Yes.
891
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:29,621
Well, that's frightening, is it not?
892
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,360
It is to me.
893
00:45:31,380 --> 00:45:34,131
So Skadden had to sign off on him,
894
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:36,580
or he wouldn't have been able
to get their credentials?
895
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:37,626
Correct.
896
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,473
I mean, Baylor wouldn't let somebody
just walk in off the street,
897
00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:42,840
- start doing neurosurgery.
- Well, I also assumed
898
00:45:42,860 --> 00:45:45,300
they would have reported the
outcomes of his surgeries
899
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,551
to the authorities.
900
00:45:46,570 --> 00:45:48,040
As a matter of fact,
901
00:45:48,070 --> 00:45:52,500
they didn't say anything
negative to anybody.
902
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,978
Neurosurgery is a big moneymaker.
903
00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:59,880
Do you think the corporate
level of the hospital
904
00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:02,660
was more interested in making money
905
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,945
than in protecting their patients?
906
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,452
[SOFT DRAMATIC MUSIC]
907
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:14,673
♪ ♪
908
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:15,826
[SIGHS]
909
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,093
Yes, I do.
910
00:46:17,110 --> 00:46:20,553
I think everyone was more
interested in making money
911
00:46:20,570 --> 00:46:22,303
and protecting themselves
912
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,840
rather than protecting their patients.
913
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,540
Thank you for the truth, Dr. Henderson.
914
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,920
No more questions.
915
00:46:34,940 --> 00:46:36,960
I'd like to add something.
916
00:46:38,140 --> 00:46:40,480
Redirect.
917
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:42,100
Anything you'd like to add?
918
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,340
Everyone knows the first tenet
919
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,907
of the Hippocratic Oath,
"First, do no harm".
920
00:46:52,070 --> 00:46:54,911
But there are others.
921
00:46:54,930 --> 00:46:58,343
"I will respect the
hard-won scientific gains
922
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,460
of the physicians in whose
steps I've walked."
923
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:03,503
He did not.
924
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,681
"I will apply, for the
benefit of the sick,
925
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:08,680
"all majors which are required,
926
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:12,480
"avoiding those twin
traps of overtreatment
927
00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:14,556
and therapeutic nihilism."
928
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,354
He did not.
929
00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:19,111
"I will not be ashamed
to say I know not,
930
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:21,646
"nor will I fail to call
them my colleagues
931
00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:24,154
"when the skills of another are needed
932
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:26,080
for a patient's recovery."
933
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,862
He did not.
934
00:47:30,660 --> 00:47:35,750
Had I performed any of the 33 surgeries
935
00:47:35,770 --> 00:47:37,537
in the manner that he performed them,
936
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:39,754
I never would have allowed myself
937
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:42,700
into an operating room again.
938
00:47:43,980 --> 00:47:45,545
Any one of them.
939
00:47:48,180 --> 00:47:49,700
Not ever again.
940
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:58,280
♪ ♪
941
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:06,300
The State flooded you
942
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,260
with every possible patient they could,
943
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,163
but Madeline Beyer's case
is the case the State chose
944
00:48:13,180 --> 00:48:16,159
to go to trial on, so let's focus there.
945
00:48:16,170 --> 00:48:17,960
Now, according to the state,
946
00:48:17,980 --> 00:48:22,380
Dr. Duntsch didn't head into Madeline
Beyer's surgery to fix her...
947
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,417
he wanted to hurt her...
948
00:48:24,430 --> 00:48:26,920
but that's not what the evidence shows.
949
00:48:26,940 --> 00:48:33,260
The evidence shows he
was a suboptimal surgeon.
950
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,820
Now, are we trying to
blame the hospitals?
951
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,354
No. Are we trying to blame Dr. Skadden?
952
00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:40,934
No, but the State asked
time and time again,
953
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:45,113
what would a well-trained surgeon do?
954
00:48:45,130 --> 00:48:47,020
I mean, what did Dr. Henderson tell you?
955
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,550
He got on the phone, called Skadden,
956
00:48:49,573 --> 00:48:51,493
and said, "Hey, we got this guy here.
957
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:54,380
"It says he graduated
from your medical school,
958
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,782
"went to your fellowship,
959
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,461
and I need you to stop
recommending him."
960
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:03,240
And Skadden replied, "Yes, he
did train at my fellowship.
961
00:49:03,260 --> 00:49:06,093
But I don't know what to do."
962
00:49:06,110 --> 00:49:08,384
Because Skadden has figured out,
963
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,506
"I screwed up. I let him out."
964
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,160
I mean, Jerry Summers told you,
965
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:18,221
he let him out of surgeries
in order to do research.
966
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,808
Now, you don't get to
punish Dr. Skadden.
967
00:49:21,820 --> 00:49:23,880
You don't get to punish Baylor.
968
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:25,937
You don't get to punish Dallas Medical,
969
00:49:25,950 --> 00:49:29,357
but you have the right to
know what they didn't do.
970
00:49:29,370 --> 00:49:32,574
They didn't report him.
971
00:49:32,590 --> 00:49:34,323
They didn't challenge him.
972
00:49:34,340 --> 00:49:35,870
They didn't tell him
973
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,360
that he was a suboptimal surgeon
974
00:49:38,380 --> 00:49:40,869
who needs to find other work.
975
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,456
If you're a teacher and
the children don't do well,
976
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:48,335
your principal tells you
you're a suboptimal teacher.
977
00:49:48,350 --> 00:49:50,133
If you're a mechanic
978
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:52,400
and the cars you're working
on keep breaking down,
979
00:49:52,410 --> 00:49:55,304
you're told you're a
suboptimal mechanic.
980
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,601
If you're a pilot and you can't land,
981
00:49:59,620 --> 00:50:03,224
well, you're told you
can't do this anymore.
982
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:06,024
Well, Baylor does the opposite.
983
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,064
They allow him to resign.
984
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,071
And then they send a clearing
letter to Dallas Medical,
985
00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:14,491
who hires him and then watches
986
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:17,623
as three surgeries in
as many days go bad.
987
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,253
And what do they do? Nothing.
988
00:50:22,270 --> 00:50:23,900
They don't report him
989
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,673
to the National Practitioner's Data Bank
990
00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:28,423
or the Texas Medical Board.
991
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:34,930
They allow this poorly-trained
suboptimal surgeon to move on.
992
00:50:37,110 --> 00:50:40,680
The system broke down
from the very beginning.
993
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:45,016
Now, I don't envy your jobs.
994
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:47,120
Both sides have their own perceptions
995
00:50:47,140 --> 00:50:49,120
of... of what happened,
996
00:50:49,140 --> 00:50:52,480
but you're the sole judges of the facts.
997
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:55,760
Render your verdict
according to the law,
998
00:50:55,780 --> 00:50:57,493
not according to emotions
999
00:50:57,510 --> 00:51:00,281
or sympathies or sending a message.
1000
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:03,043
It's about whether or not
the State has proven to you
1001
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:06,162
that a crime was committed.
1002
00:51:06,180 --> 00:51:09,791
It was a failure.
1003
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,710
It was a human failure,
1004
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:19,560
a systemic failure,
1005
00:51:19,580 --> 00:51:21,540
but it wasn't a crime.
1006
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,850
On July 25th, 2012,
1007
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:30,400
Christopher Duntsch went into
surgery with Madeline Beyer,
1008
00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:32,188
an elderly individual.
1009
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,560
He crippled her.
1010
00:51:34,580 --> 00:51:38,611
Pedicle screws, drilled and redrilled.
1011
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:42,993
Nerves shredded. Leaking dural sacs.
1012
00:51:43,010 --> 00:51:45,493
Muscles hacked into.
1013
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:47,920
These things happened.
1014
00:51:47,940 --> 00:51:51,400
But was it intentional?
1015
00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:53,460
How do you know what he intended?
1016
00:51:54,700 --> 00:52:00,280
You look at what he does
before, during, and after.
1017
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:03,900
He lied, about "this is normal pain."
1018
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,144
"This is something new.
1019
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,433
"I didn't do this to you.
1020
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:10,643
"It's simply swelling, Jerry.
1021
00:52:10,660 --> 00:52:13,188
"Surgery went fine, Madeline.
1022
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,533
"It's the surgical team's fault.
1023
00:52:15,550 --> 00:52:20,520
Your wives are dead, Earl, Harold."
1024
00:52:22,860 --> 00:52:24,741
Look at them.
1025
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:30,360
Look at the faces of the
lives that were ruined.
1026
00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:33,360
We didn't bring them to
you to have you convict him
1027
00:52:33,380 --> 00:52:35,500
based on sympathy.
1028
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,440
We bring them to you
so that you can know
1029
00:52:38,460 --> 00:52:41,080
everything the defendant knew.
1030
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:44,280
How many patients should it take
1031
00:52:44,310 --> 00:52:48,060
before you know that what
you're doing is hurting people?
1032
00:52:49,660 --> 00:52:56,940
One, two, three?
1033
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,693
You make your best
friend a quadriplegic?
1034
00:53:00,710 --> 00:53:05,520
Four, you kill? Five, you kill?
1035
00:53:05,550 --> 00:53:07,784
Should I list all 33?
1036
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,120
I want to call them tragedies,
1037
00:53:11,140 --> 00:53:15,250
but that implies no one
could have seen them coming.
1038
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:18,843
These were assaults.
1039
00:53:18,860 --> 00:53:22,721
We're here talking about Madeline Beyer.
1040
00:53:22,740 --> 00:53:24,580
I know you don't have a doubt
1041
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,340
that when Christopher Duntsch went
into Madeline Beyer's surgery,
1042
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,475
he was reasonably certain
he was going to hurt her.
1043
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,190
That's the standard of knowing.
1044
00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:38,489
Not that you know 100%,
1045
00:53:38,490 --> 00:53:41,649
but that you're reasonably certain.
1046
00:53:41,650 --> 00:53:45,947
The defense is implying
it was his training.
1047
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,501
He was trained for 17 years
1048
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,180
prior to operating on Mrs. Beyer.
1049
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,496
Trained at the University of Tennessee.
1050
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:55,640
Trained at Semmes-Murphey.
1051
00:53:55,660 --> 00:53:57,500
Institutions with doctors
1052
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,721
who would not put their
reputations on the line
1053
00:54:00,740 --> 00:54:03,840
by recommending a
poorly trained surgeon.
1054
00:54:03,860 --> 00:54:07,600
[SOFT DRAMATIC MUSIC]
1055
00:54:07,620 --> 00:54:10,540
Don't blame his training.
1056
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,223
Blame him.
1057
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,480
Don't blame the system.
1058
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:16,102
Blame him.
1059
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:20,400
He went into all those operations.
1060
00:54:20,420 --> 00:54:24,569
He put the scalpels to
those patients' backs.
1061
00:54:24,580 --> 00:54:28,500
He kept going.
1062
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,600
All these people.
1063
00:54:31,940 --> 00:54:35,720
If you're a human who values life,
1064
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:39,171
who understands suffering...
1065
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:41,560
You heard Dr. Henderson.
1066
00:54:41,580 --> 00:54:44,214
One botched surgery, just one,
1067
00:54:44,220 --> 00:54:49,594
and he never would have entered
the operating room ever again.
1068
00:54:50,420 --> 00:54:53,540
If you don't stop him,
1069
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,920
Christopher Duntsch will
leave this courthouse,
1070
00:54:57,940 --> 00:55:01,493
leave this city, this state,
1071
00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:04,824
maybe even this country,
1072
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,701
and he will find a corner of the world
1073
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:12,533
that allows him to
continue hurting people.
1074
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:20,130
Only you can tell him no more.
1075
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:27,140
♪ ♪
1076
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,000
They don't understand.
1077
00:55:30,740 --> 00:55:33,170
All I wanna do is go
back to my research.
1078
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,893
You gotta tell 'em, Dad.
1079
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:39,260
I will never practice surgery again.
1080
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,340
If they let me, I can still do good.
1081
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,040
- I can still help.
- Just stop, okay?
1082
00:55:46,070 --> 00:55:47,902
It's time to stop.
1083
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,820
[SIGHS]
1084
00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:58,760
We had these hardwood
floors when you were little.
1085
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:06,369
Active, always active. So energetic.
1086
00:56:06,370 --> 00:56:08,761
You were so strong.
1087
00:56:08,780 --> 00:56:12,440
You would push the furniture
around across these floors.
1088
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,000
You never played with toys.
It was always the furniture.
1089
00:56:18,460 --> 00:56:20,730
And how many times did I ask you
1090
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:22,880
to stop it with the furniture?
1091
00:56:24,550 --> 00:56:26,774
But you wouldn't stop.
1092
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,840
You wouldn't stop.
1093
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,880
Maybe jail's the best
thing for you, my boy.
1094
00:56:45,620 --> 00:56:47,795
You were less dull than
I thought you'd be.
1095
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,170
You're too kind, Randy.
1096
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:57,370
Probably blown the whole
case, but nice job.
1097
00:57:00,970 --> 00:57:03,000
We could have done more.
1098
00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:05,580
We should have done it more.
1099
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,982
This is gonna happen again, you know.
1100
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,451
Suppose we could do something.
1101
00:57:11,470 --> 00:57:12,960
I suppose we should.
1102
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,540
Jury's back.
1103
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,120
All right, well, we got
time for some hoops.
1104
00:57:19,140 --> 00:57:21,680
- I wish.
- [CHUCKLES]
1105
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:22,940
We gonna win?
1106
00:57:27,140 --> 00:57:30,300
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
1107
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:31,580
I don't know.
1108
00:57:34,740 --> 00:57:36,680
[SIGHS]
1109
00:57:38,860 --> 00:57:40,590
I'm sorry.
1110
00:57:42,660 --> 00:57:44,080
You did great.
1111
00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:52,193
♪ ♪
1112
00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:10,680
_
1113
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:13,720
_
1114
00:58:13,740 --> 00:58:16,175
_
1115
00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:19,340
_
1116
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,200
_
1117
00:58:23,220 --> 00:58:26,100
- _
- [EXHALES]
1118
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,000
_
1119
00:58:31,020 --> 00:58:34,810
_
1120
00:58:34,830 --> 00:58:37,405
♪ ♪
1121
00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:41,940
_
1122
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,540
_
1123
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,460
_
1124
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,547
_
1125
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,757
_
1126
00:58:56,770 --> 00:58:59,740
_
1127
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,360
_
1128
00:59:02,380 --> 00:59:04,515
_
1129
00:59:04,530 --> 00:59:08,360
_
1130
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:11,314
_
1131
00:59:11,330 --> 00:59:14,280
_
1132
00:59:14,310 --> 00:59:16,700
_
1133
00:59:16,730 --> 00:59:18,738
_
1134
00:59:18,750 --> 00:59:25,620
_
1135
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,380
_
1136
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,625
_
1137
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,020
_
1138
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,340
_
1139
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,843
_
1140
00:59:40,860 --> 00:59:43,300
_
1141
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,360
_
1142
00:59:46,380 --> 00:59:48,740
_
1143
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,853
_
1144
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:55,020
_
1145
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,860
_
1146
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,322
♪ ♪
1147
01:00:01,340 --> 01:00:03,920
_
1148
01:00:03,940 --> 01:00:06,860
_
1149
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,520
_
1150
01:00:09,540 --> 01:00:11,739
_
1151
01:00:11,740 --> 01:00:16,170
♪ ♪
1152
01:00:16,190 --> 01:00:20,880
_
1153
01:00:20,910 --> 01:00:26,597
_
1154
01:00:26,610 --> 01:00:30,643
_
1155
01:00:30,660 --> 01:00:35,960
♪ ♪
1156
01:00:50,070 --> 01:00:59,300
_
1157
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:06,500
♪ ♪
1158
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:12,351
♪ ♪
1159
01:01:12,370 --> 01:01:15,500
♪ ♪
1160
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:20,510
- Synced & corrected by MementMori -
-- www.MY-SUBS.com --
84730
Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.