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I thought I had found the perfect car.
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The VW Diesel Jetta
Wagon. The ad sucked me in.
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Volkswagen has more diesel
cars on the road in the US
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than every other brand combined.
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Boasting a two-liter TDI turbo-charged
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clean diesel engine, not only does
it provide excellent fuel economy,
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but you'll love the performance, too.
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It was the only car that
seemed to have it all.
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Drove like a sports car...
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Can the Green Car of the Year be fast?
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Wasn't too expensive, got great mileage,
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and unlike diesels of
the past, it was clean.
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Volkswagen Jetta TDI Clean Diesel.
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TDI Clean Diesel.
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TDI Clean Diesel.
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I was beaming with pride as
I drove around the suburbs
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or commuted to New York City.
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What I didn't know was that I
was driving a killing machine.
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What has VW been up to?
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We may be looking at the largest
systematic corporate fraud
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in the history of the
global corporation.
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Volkswagen has admitted
that their clean diesel cars
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have been systematically,
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proactively engineered to
deceive emissions testing.
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It's called a defeat device.
It's designed to defeat the test.
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The Volkswagen scandal is widening.
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The news just keeps getting worse.
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VW share price down 31%.
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If you're a VW shareholder
or employee today,
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the letters stand for Very Worried.
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Volkswagen turned over half
a million American drivers
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into unwitting accomplices
in an unprecedented assault
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on our country's environment.
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Our criminal investigation
is active and ongoing.
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We can't undo the damage
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that Volkswagen caused
to our air quality.
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But what we can do
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is offset that damage by reducing
pollution from future sources.
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Now, with respect to the
agreement, more specifically,
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Volkswagen must offer to buy
back any car that's on the road.
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That's nearly 500,000
two-liter diesel vehicles
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that are model years 2009 through 2015.
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As part of the buyback, Volkswagen...
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When I first heard about
the scandal, I was furious.
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VW had lied to me.
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They had pitched me a
vision of my dream car,
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but sold me my worst nightmare.
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A car that was polluting 50
times more than advertised.
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It's not enough for
VW to just apologize.
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They gotta use their folly to
actively make the world better.
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Even before that, Kirk suggests...
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Weirdly, I was listening to
NPR when my own name came up
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in an interview with a PR expert,
on how VW could make things right.
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... an investigative
documentarian group,
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like a Frontline or an Alex Gibney,
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who can come in with
the charge of discovering
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what happens in a company
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that actually leads to this
type of gross infraction.
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Kirk went ahead and made a promo
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for this imaginary documentary.
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A new series from Alex
Gibney, the director of
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The Smartest Guys in the Room,
Coming Clean: Inside Volkswagen.
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Fuck Volkswagen.
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With unprecedented and unlimited
access from Volkswagen...
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There was no way VW
was gonna give me access
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to look at the scandal, but
the promo did get me worked up.
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Angry as I was, it didn't begin
to describe the fury my wife felt.
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She stopped driving the car entirely.
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Though she had pasted
"namaste" on our bumper sticker,
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a yoga term for "bowing
to the divine in others,"
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she had visions of marching in
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to the local VW
dealership with a chainsaw.
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- And the number.
- Yes.
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These two documents...
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- Okay, so I sign right...
- Seller signature.
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Yep. There we go. We're going
to give you back the car.
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I feel so badly because
I love the car...
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Yeah.
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Um, but when you feel
you've been lied to,
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it's really hard to feel okay
about the company, in general.
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Sort of like, shame on you, Volkswagen.
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- Yeah.
- Right?
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Exactly.
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Okay, my wife is way too nice
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to think about killing
the local dealers.
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But she wanted the car out of our lives.
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The question she was
asking, and I was, too,
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was, "How could this have happened?
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How could a company have
lied to its customers
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on such a massive scale?"
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I decided to look into the scandal.
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What I would discover was much darker
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and more vast than
anything I had imagined.
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I am pleased that at the skilled hands
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of a brilliant design
engineer and his staff,
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preliminary designs for a German
Volkswagen have been completed,
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and the first models will finally
be tested by the middle of the year.
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Then you will understand
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why I was utterly determined
to lay the groundwork
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for the invention of the German
Volkswagen and its ultimate conclusion,
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and by that, dear gentlemen,
I mean a successful conclusion!
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Okay, it's usually a cheap
shot to bring up Hitler,
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but when it came to VW,
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he's the man that jump-started
the company back in the 1930s.
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In the 1930s,
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cars were still a rarity in
Germany, or relatively rare.
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It wasn't something
that most people had.
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And in the United States, a lot of
people think Henry Ford invented the car
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but he didn't, actually.
What he did invent was
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how to build cars cheaply
that everybody could afford.
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So in the United States,
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there was far more middle-class people
who had automobiles than in Germany.
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And that really bothered the
Germans and the Nazis, in particular,
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because they were
supposed to be superior.
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So Hitler hooked up
with Ferdinand Porsche.
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Porsche already had some
designs in his drawer.
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This idea of a
volkswagen, a people's car,
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had been kicking around
for quite a while.
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And then he started developing
the car with Nazi money.
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Porsche, himself, went to Ford
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and looked around on several occasions.
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He hired Germans who were
working at Ford, �migr�s.
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He brought them back to Germany to
help build the Volkswagen factory.
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And it was very
consciously modeled on Ford,
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but it was supposed to be even bigger.
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They wanted it to be the
biggest factory in the world,
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which it eventually became.
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There was a celebration in Germany,
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to mark the one millionth
people's car since the war.
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Over 150,000 people were present
to take part in the jollification.
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This included a...
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The city of Wolfsburg,
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it just doesn't get any more
"company town" than that.
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There was nothing there until
they built the Volkswagen factory.
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Everything that you
see in Wolfsburg today
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has really grown up around
that original factory.
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Okay, so, here, that's the
main street in Wolfsburg.
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So there was nothing here?
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Wolfsburg, as a city, didn't exist.
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It's a massive factory.
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It's a massive factory.
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Nowadays, they are still
employing 60,000 people.
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- Really?
- And the chimneys you see over there,
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- that's actually the paint shop.
- Uh-huh.
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So, this is all
employee housing in here?
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Yeah. Basically everyone works, uh,
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either directly or at least
indirectly for Volkswagen here.
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How does it rank in terms of the
largest factories in the world?
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- It's the largest one.
- It is.
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There's no other factory, uh...
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Right now, they are producing by day,
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- round about between 3,000 to 3,500 cars.
- Wow.
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VW declined to give
us a tour of Wolfsburg.
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So, I sought out the
help of Walter Groth,
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a consultant on corporate culture,
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who'd worked for 20 years as
an executive for Volkswagen.
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You'd been at Volkswagen
for a long time.
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Twenty-four years.
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When the news broke about
the cheating scandal,
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what was your reaction?
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My reaction, uh... I was
angry, actually. I was angry.
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I took that very personal because, uh,
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I was thinking about all the
people working for the brand
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and really doing the hard work.
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And when you imagine
that this is a company
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with more than 600,000 people
working for Volkswagen worldwide,
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and more than a hundred factories,
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and you have to run this
operation... And all these people,
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when you look at the production lines,
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at manufacturing, what they do...
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When you look at the
people developing a car,
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starting with the
designers, for example,
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they all want to come up with
the best product possible.
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For VW, the road to global dominance
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had always led through America.
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In the '60s, sales hit new highs,
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when VW flew the freak
flag for the counterculture.
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The Bug was a real people's car,
mechanically simple and down-to-earth.
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You could be high on mescaline
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and still shift gears
or repair the engine.
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And the Bus was a crash pad on wheels.
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It was an amazing case of rebranding
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because this car was
basically designed for Hitler.
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Then after the war, it becomes
the symbol of the counterculture.
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But VW didn't keep up with the times.
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As the counterculture
gave way to the Reagan era,
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VW didn't innovate and its sales dropped
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as fast as the quality of its cars.
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During all these years, sales
went down, losses were mounting.
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Volkswagen was close to being insolvent.
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I was asked to join the newly-formed,
uh, North American region
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because we needed to do a turnaround
of the Volkswagen of America.
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In 1993, Volkswagen sold roughly
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38,000 cars a year in the United States.
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That's a market with 16-17 million cars.
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So 38,000 is, uh, ridiculous.
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When Volkswagen in the United States,
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with the Beetle, sold
almost half a million cars.
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The savior for VW was Ferdinand Piëch.
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The grandson of Ferdinand Porsche,
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Piëch was professionally
and personally productive.
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He sired 12 children
with four different women.
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He also infused VW with a new DNA.
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Whenever there is war,
fewer remain in the end.
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There are always winners and losers.
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And I intend...
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along with our VW partners
around the world...
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to emerge victorious.
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Yeah, a little faster is more fun.
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Piëch, he was the head of Audi before.
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He's a brilliant man.
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It's brilliant, but it's
dangerous, okay? Kind of.
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I mean, Piëch was a tough guy
and he knew what he was doing.
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I don't feel I can't
communicate with others.
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But there are individuals with
whom I don't want to communicate.
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And they complain about
my lack of communication.
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However, that's not unintentional.
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When Piëch started,
Volkswagen was down and out.
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They were just about bankrupt
and their quality sucked.
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It was a disaster. Their value
at the time was a disaster.
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The average, uh, workshop
visit of an average car
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was three to four
times in the first year.
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He had to turn the company
around. And it's tough.
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Dr. Piëch came just in
time to make that happen.
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Before him, Volkswagen
was rather thinking small,
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and with Piëch, the big
thinking really started.
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Piëch, uh, he's the typical
inventor. He has the big product ideas.
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He comes up with stuff
that's just, uh... Wow.
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Where did he get that from?
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He has this idea of diesel.
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At the time, diesels were
something for tractors.
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Maybe for, uh, big Mercedes.
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And he said, "It's going to be diesel."
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He made the diesel smaller,
invented TDI. People, they loved it.
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The new TDI. It arrived
with a hip new ad campaign.
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A diesel that was fun to
drive, powerful and clean.
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Volkswagen had huge
success with TDI engines.
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In Europe, people started
to love the diesel.
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But there was always the problem
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that what comes out from the
exhaust, um... Not really healthy.
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The basics of diesel and
gas engines are the same.
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A series of explosions move the
pistons, which turn the drive shaft.
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Diesel fuel is much
more efficient than gas
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and produces much less carbon dioxide.
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But diesel fuel exhaust
disgorges much nastier stuff.
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Particulate matter and
nitrogen oxide, called NOx,
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that causes air pollution
and damages human lungs.
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This is personal for me.
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When my family was living
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in the NOx-filled smog
of Southern California,
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my daughter developed
exercise-induced asthma.
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When she was playing
soccer in high school,
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she collapsed in front
of me from lack of oxygen.
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NOx is not good.
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No. NOx, nitrogen oxide,
is very, uh, nasty stuff.
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Elements of nitrogen
oxides mix with ozone,
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and then chemically changes
into what we call smog.
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It's a factor in acid rain.
It's damaging for plant life.
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It causes asthma in children,
causes cardiac problems, cancer.
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People will die prematurely.
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To keep the efficiency of
diesel, but to cut down on NOx,
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manufacturers like VW
tried to create NOx traps
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that caught and burned the stuff
before it left the tailpipe.
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But the special parts
needed were expensive,
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and had to be replaced
every few thousand miles.
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Yet, they were the only way to meet
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the NOx pollution
standards set in the US,
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which were much more
strict than in Europe.
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Today, I'm directing the EPA
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and the Department of
Transportation, Energy and Agriculture
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to take the first steps
towards regulations
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that would cut gasoline consumption
and greenhouse gas emissions
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for motor vehicles.
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We have set in motion a national policy
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aimed at both increasing gas mileage
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and decreasing greenhouse gas pollution
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for all new trucks and cars sold
in the United States of America.
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Solving that problem
in the US was critical
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for the strategy of the man
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who would eventually be
tapped to follow Piëch
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as the head of VW, Martin Winterkorn.
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Dr. Piëch and I
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have been working together
for almost 30 years.
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And as you know, Dr. Piëch
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has always regarded
innovation as the top priority.
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So, we agreed that he would focus on
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innovation and I would safeguard it.
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Winterkorn came
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and they did this strategy
called Strategy 2018.
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We wanted to have the
most satisfied customers.
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We wanted to have the
most satisfied employees.
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We wanted to achieve good results
in order to invest in the future.
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And we wanted to make the best cars.
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The upshot of which will be
that by 2018 we are going to be
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the preeminent car
manufacturer in the world.
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Volkswagen never was great in America.
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The Volkswagen Bug was kind of a fluke.
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But America's a very important market.
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At the time, it was the world's largest.
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So, those Americans, they
have to buy our diesel cars.
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That's what he wanted for
the United States, diesel,
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which is incredibly hard
to do in the United States.
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Everyone knew this.
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And that's how it all started.
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The pressure on everybody
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to increase sales became unbearable.
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Under pressure and
when people feel fear,
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they might do things you
don't want them actually to do.
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Determined to conquer
the American market,
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VW built a new green factory
in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
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To comply with American
pollution standards,
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VW retooled its product line and
introduced a new clean diesel, TDI.
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Its pitch to Americans was captivating.
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Cars that were low-cost, low-pollution,
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got good mileage and were fun to drive.
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Perfect.
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With its new green
profile, VW's CEO boasted
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about its new-found commitment
to social responsibility.
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And Chattanooga stands for
the Volkswagen way of life.
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Sustainable, reliable and successful.
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Now, more than ever, Volkswagen
has everything it takes
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to win the hearts and
minds of American customers.
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I was one those people
who stood up and cheered.
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I was proud to own a VW. Auto
experts were cheering too.
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Somehow, VW seemed to have solved
a problem no one else could:
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how to clean up dirty diesel
engines in small, low-priced cars.
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I was completely surprised when I
suddenly saw the clean diesel thing
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in the United States.
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And first thought was,
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"Great. That's great.
They solved the problem.
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Wow. I'm really deeply impressed."
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Then I looked at the price of the cars
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and, hmm, well, it's
actually right in the market.
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But I was asking myself,
"How did they do it?"
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And I'm not an engine developer,
I'm not an engineer, so...
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There might be a way nobody else has
ever seen. Uh, great, they did it.
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VW's solution to the diesel problem
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caught the attention of a group
focused on clean transportation.
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They studied VW diesels
not to see if they were bad,
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but why they were so good.
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And whether the US cars could serve
as a model for other companies.
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The man in charge of the group
was an American named John German.
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I describe myself as a
pragmatic environmentalist.
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I spent about a decade each with
Chrysler, then EPA, then Honda
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before I wound up at this non-profit,
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International Council
on Clean Transportation.
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The goal's always the environment.
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We focus on working with
regulators worldwide,
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not with legislatures.
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So we're trying to help the
regulators do their job better.
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The whole VW scandal started in Europe.
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In 2011-2012, there's a report
from an organization called JRC.
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It actually showed
some anecdotal evidence
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of high diesel emissions in Europe.
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But the report was basically ignored.
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We had this brainstorm that
there was a missing piece of data,
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which is what's happening in the US.
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And so, in 2013, we decided
to test some diesels in the US.
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Primarily because we
expected them to be clean.
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And then we would take that
data back to Europe and say,
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"Look, they're clean in the US.
How come you can't do it in Europe?"
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German needed to find someone
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to test what was coming out
of the tailpipes of the cars,
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first in the lab and then on the road.
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The contract went to a group at
the University of West Virginia.
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Car geeks who wanted to see
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if clean diesel was for
real in any kind of car.
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This is a portable
emissions measurement system
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that we use to measure emissions
from vehicles on a real-time basis.
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It's a miniaturized version of a
laboratory-grade measurement system
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where it's kind of in a
shoebox-size, uh, equipment,
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where you can put it in the vehicle.
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This is used for a very specific
purpose, which is in-use measurement.
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So we tap into the tailpipe
and it measures two things.
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It measures the exhaust flow rate,
how much exhaust is coming out,
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and then what the constituents
of the exhaust are.
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So it's just a simple math, flow
rate times the concentration,
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which is going to give you the,
uh, the amount of, uh, pollutants
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that are coming out of
the tailpipe. So that's...
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Arvind Thiruvengadam
was part of the team
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that did the diesel pollution
test for John German.
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They focused on European
diesels being sold in the US.
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Whenever we do real-world testing,
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we do expect certain deviations
from the certification number.
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Conditions such as ambient temperature,
road grade, traffic and such,
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which you always cannot
expect the manufacturer
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to be at the lowest possible emissions.
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But there is an acceptable
level of deviation.
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Usually, five to six times deviation
is part of real-world activity.
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But the kind of deviations
we were observing
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from the VW passenger cars
were significantly higher.
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During the road test,
the VW TDI was sending
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up to 40 times more NOx into the
air than the VW lab test numbers.
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West Virginia University,
then they came to us.
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Once they said, you know,
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"We have these high emissions
and we can't explain it."
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And my first reaction was,
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"There must be something
wrong with the vehicle."
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Literally, a malfunction.
It wasn't operating properly.
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But we tested these vehicles at
the California emission laboratory
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and they passed the standards,
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which meant there was nothing
wrong with the vehicle.
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And at that stage, I was pretty
darn sure this was a defeat device.
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There's a long history of defeat devices
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and I worked at EPA during some of
these defeat device investigations.
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The most recent major
one was a 1998 case
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for heavy-duty engine manufacturers,
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in which almost every
manufacturer of heavy-duty engines
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was calibrating them to increase
emissions when they ran down the highway.
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That scandal cost them about $1
billion in total fines and remedies.
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And now with the VW case, I knew
I was sitting on a time bomb.
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But the words "defeat device"
never would cross my lips,
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'cause you just don't say that
about a multi-billion dollar company
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when you're a little,
uh, NGO with 30 employees.
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It was just too dangerous.
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We'd have been potentially
sued out of existence
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if it had even been implied we were
accusing VW of having a defeat device.
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To avoid retaliation by VW,
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German first revealed
his findings in 2014
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in San Diego, in a small
academic conference.
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In the audience were a
handful of VW executives.
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They must've realized for the first time
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that investigators were on their trail.
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But German was careful
not to call out VW
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when it came to publishing results.
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The compromise that we came up with
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is that we did post the
report publicly on our website,
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but it refers to vehicles A, B
and C. We did not identify them.
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Now, two days before we
put the report online,
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I sent a courtesy e-mail to VW, saying,
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"This report's coming out. Here it is.
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By the way, vehicles A and B are yours."
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Raise your hand, sir.
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Do you swear or affirm
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that the testimony you're going
to give in these proceedings
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depicts the whole truth
under penalty of perjury?
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00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,179
- I do.
- Thank you.
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You are Stuart Johnson?
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I am.
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Are you currently employed
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- at Volkswagen Group of America, Inc.?
- Yes, I am.
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- How long have you been employed there?
- Uh...
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All together, I've worked
at Volkswagen 33 years.
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In this e-mail, uh, it's true isn't it,
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that you're talking about the West
Virginia University study. True?
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Yes.
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Second-to-last sentence:
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"Some presenters indicated they
suspected cheating." You see that?
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Yes, I do.
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- That's something you wrote, right?
- That's correct.
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So you were aware, at
least as of April 8, 2014,
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that cheating was one of
the possible explanations
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- for what was going on. True?
- Yes.
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You state, quote,
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"We will have to be careful
with this going forward."
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- That's correct.
- Why did you say that?
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Because I didn't like hearing
that, out in a public forum,
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Volkswagen was being
accused of cheating.
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00:28:46,892 --> 00:28:48,656
Well, what was it specifically
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that you all would need
to be careful about?
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00:28:52,231 --> 00:28:57,277
I didn't like the fact that there
was a... That that would, um, lead to
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some kind of suspicion
against our company.
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00:29:00,697 --> 00:29:04,743
But how could you be careful in
order to alleviate suspicions?
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You have no control over suspicions
third parties have, right?
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Yes.
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So what was it specifically that
you needed to be careful about?
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My reason for writing that
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was that I wanted to
try to manage the message
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and part of managing that message
is engaging with the agencies.
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The agencies Johnson tried to manage
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were the EPA and California regulators.
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Following the San Diego presentation,
California did its own tests.
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They confirmed the
West Virginia results.
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Inside the lab, the
pollution emitted by the cars
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was well within government limits.
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But on the road, NOx levels
were dangerously high.
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That caught the
attention of Alberto Ayala
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at the California Air
Resources Board, known as CARB.
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What was different about this is,
how far off they were, the magnitude.
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We're not talking about just a
little bit above the standard.
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Forty times the limit was the average.
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00:30:06,096 --> 00:30:10,183
If you look at some data
points that we have, um,
483
00:30:10,267 --> 00:30:13,228
in some cases, it was
80 times the limit.
484
00:30:15,105 --> 00:30:17,274
And now you have two data points.
485
00:30:17,357 --> 00:30:21,862
We have two studies on our hands,
saying this just doesn't make sense.
486
00:30:22,612 --> 00:30:25,532
At that point, that's
when we went from research
487
00:30:25,615 --> 00:30:28,493
to, "Now we need to turn this
into a regulatory action."
488
00:30:29,077 --> 00:30:33,582
What followed was 60 months of
intense interaction with the company,
489
00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:36,960
back and forth, because
it just escalated.
490
00:30:37,044 --> 00:30:40,172
We would do some testing,
generate questions,
491
00:30:40,255 --> 00:30:44,926
send them to the company. They'd
be expected to bring us answers.
492
00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:47,262
They would bring answers,
we would go back to the lab
493
00:30:47,346 --> 00:30:49,389
and try them and then
generate more questions.
494
00:30:51,433 --> 00:30:53,810
CARB was asking tough questions,
495
00:30:53,894 --> 00:30:56,772
and back in Wolfsburg,
executives were terrified
496
00:30:56,855 --> 00:31:00,400
that honest answers would
reveal a long trail of deceit.
497
00:31:01,401 --> 00:31:04,696
CEO Martin Winterkorn
received an urgent e-mail
498
00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:07,824
from VW's head of quality
management, Frank Tuch.
499
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:12,579
"A thorough explanation of the
dramatic increase in NOx emissions
500
00:31:12,662 --> 00:31:15,123
cannot be given to the authorities.
501
00:31:15,207 --> 00:31:18,168
It can be assumed that the
authorities will then investigate
502
00:31:18,251 --> 00:31:22,339
whether Volkswagen implemented
a so-called defeat device."
503
00:31:24,383 --> 00:31:25,574
Rather than come clean,
504
00:31:25,575 --> 00:31:29,388
VW thought its only alternative
was to stall for time.
505
00:31:32,015 --> 00:31:33,855
Technological leadership
506
00:31:33,934 --> 00:31:37,729
is not just defined anymore
by horsepower and torque.
507
00:31:38,939 --> 00:31:42,734
The joy of economical and emissions-free
driving, ladies and gentlemen,
508
00:31:43,318 --> 00:31:47,447
will be the currency in coming years.
509
00:31:51,201 --> 00:31:54,329
The company was, uh,
unfortunately, uh, dismissive.
510
00:31:54,333 --> 00:31:55,242
It's like, oh, you know,
511
00:31:55,252 --> 00:31:58,737
"Maybe your instruments
are not well calibrated,"
512
00:31:58,792 --> 00:32:02,020
or, you know, "Oh, you have academics,
513
00:32:02,021 --> 00:32:03,296
graduate students running around,
514
00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:07,217
maybe they did it wrong and,
uh, you guys gotta go check in
515
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:09,344
because you gotta use
experts to make sure that... "
516
00:32:09,428 --> 00:32:11,138
And we would do all of that, right?
517
00:32:11,221 --> 00:32:14,975
'Cause, again, all along, we're
thinking, "This is not a defeat device.
518
00:32:15,058 --> 00:32:17,269
This is just a technical problem."
519
00:32:18,145 --> 00:32:22,691
It's true, isn't it, that
these various reasons were given
520
00:32:22,774 --> 00:32:27,070
in attempt to mislead
the agency into believing
521
00:32:27,154 --> 00:32:30,907
there were technical explanations
for the high NOx level
522
00:32:30,991 --> 00:32:34,828
as opposed to an explanation
that involved cheating? True?
523
00:32:35,579 --> 00:32:38,498
In retrospect, yes, that's true.
524
00:32:38,582 --> 00:32:42,586
Mr. Johnson, I've handed you
what's been marked as Exhibit 25...
525
00:32:42,669 --> 00:32:44,251
The two company representatives
526
00:32:44,252 --> 00:32:45,881
that we interacted with the most
527
00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:49,230
were Stuart Johnson and Oliver Schmidt,
528
00:32:49,231 --> 00:32:52,053
who at the time was actually based here.
529
00:32:52,137 --> 00:32:56,183
So he represented the company when
it came to certification issues.
530
00:32:56,266 --> 00:32:57,493
Let's first have a look
531
00:32:57,517 --> 00:32:59,811
at Volkswagen's history
of diesel in the US.
532
00:32:59,895 --> 00:33:04,232
With this technology, we won, in
2009, the Green Car of the Year.
533
00:33:04,316 --> 00:33:07,569
Unfortunately, we got new
emission regulations in the US.
534
00:33:07,652 --> 00:33:09,028
So, we had to comply with, um,
535
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:13,283
with Bin 5 or ULEV
standard all over the US...
536
00:33:13,366 --> 00:33:16,369
In May of 2014, was
Oliver Schmidt your boss?
537
00:33:16,453 --> 00:33:17,787
Yes, he was.
538
00:33:17,871 --> 00:33:20,165
When the West Virginia
University report came out,
539
00:33:20,248 --> 00:33:21,750
did Oliver Schmidt express to you
540
00:33:21,833 --> 00:33:24,878
that one of the possibilities
for the explanation of this report
541
00:33:24,961 --> 00:33:27,172
- is that we were cheating?
- No.
542
00:33:27,255 --> 00:33:30,091
We were able to increase
fuel economy by a lot,
543
00:33:30,175 --> 00:33:33,553
and we reduced the NOx raw
emission of the engine by 40%
544
00:33:33,637 --> 00:33:36,848
in order to comply with
future emission regulations...
545
00:33:36,932 --> 00:33:39,142
Oliver Schmidt was not
sharing what he knew
546
00:33:39,226 --> 00:33:42,229
with many of the US team,
including Stuart Johnson.
547
00:33:43,355 --> 00:33:45,899
But the cheating and how to
handle it was an open secret
548
00:33:45,982 --> 00:33:47,984
among many executives in Germany.
549
00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:52,531
Schmidt wrote an e-mail posing a
fundamental question about strategy.
550
00:33:52,614 --> 00:33:55,867
"It should first be decided
whether we are honest.
551
00:33:55,951 --> 00:33:59,412
If we are not honest,
everything stays as it is."
552
00:33:59,496 --> 00:34:03,083
Translation: Keep cheating
and conceal the defeat device
553
00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:05,335
in a storm of obfuscating e-mails,
554
00:34:05,418 --> 00:34:09,464
misleading technical reports and
endless diversionary meetings.
555
00:34:09,548 --> 00:34:11,508
For every meeting that Oliver and I had,
556
00:34:11,591 --> 00:34:15,095
our technical teams probably
had another five, ten meetings.
557
00:34:15,178 --> 00:34:19,307
There was so much going on and
it just got really convoluted.
558
00:34:20,433 --> 00:34:24,104
That was a challenge here. It didn't
feel like we were making progress.
559
00:34:26,273 --> 00:34:31,152
We were negotiating, holding
meetings with them, talking about...
560
00:34:31,236 --> 00:34:33,154
As CARB turned up the heat on VW,
561
00:34:33,155 --> 00:34:36,074
Stuart Johnson was suddenly promoted
562
00:34:36,157 --> 00:34:39,035
and Oliver Schmidt was quickly
transferred back to Germany.
563
00:34:40,203 --> 00:34:42,831
Do you believe that Oliver Schmidt
564
00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:44,749
was transferred back to Germany
565
00:34:44,833 --> 00:34:48,962
and you moved into that position
to allow plausible deniability?
566
00:34:49,045 --> 00:34:52,090
No, I don't believe that.
567
00:35:00,515 --> 00:35:02,726
Did you have a reputation
at your company for honesty?
568
00:35:02,809 --> 00:35:03,810
Yes.
569
00:35:03,893 --> 00:35:05,520
- Being forthright?
- Yes.
570
00:35:05,604 --> 00:35:08,815
Did Oliver Schmidt share
that reputation that you had?
571
00:35:11,860 --> 00:35:12,860
No.
572
00:35:19,993 --> 00:35:21,119
Back in Wolfsburg,
573
00:35:21,202 --> 00:35:24,539
Schmidt and the other German
execs came up with a plan.
574
00:35:24,623 --> 00:35:28,710
VW would announce a recall
and pledge to fix the problem.
575
00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:32,005
For the moment, CARB and
the EPA seemed satisfied
576
00:35:32,088 --> 00:35:35,008
that VW was finally ready
to do the right thing.
577
00:35:36,009 --> 00:35:38,470
They told us, "Oh,
while we do this recall,
578
00:35:38,553 --> 00:35:41,056
we will put a fix to
this issue on the NOx."
579
00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:44,309
Right? Uh, in the hope
that I would come back
580
00:35:44,392 --> 00:35:45,810
and tell my team, "We're done."
581
00:35:45,894 --> 00:35:49,189
They'd convince you with their data
582
00:35:49,272 --> 00:35:51,274
so you wouldn't bother
to keep testing the car.
583
00:35:51,358 --> 00:35:54,319
Correct, and of course that's not
how we do business here, right?
584
00:35:55,612 --> 00:35:58,657
They did the recall and
we got some test vehicles.
585
00:35:58,740 --> 00:36:00,033
We went back into the lab,
586
00:36:00,116 --> 00:36:01,401
and it wasn't giving us in-use emissions
587
00:36:01,402 --> 00:36:03,662
that match the in-certification test.
588
00:36:04,913 --> 00:36:06,849
Would it be a fair statement
that at the time that
589
00:36:06,873 --> 00:36:09,125
Volkswagen Group of
America was telling CARB
590
00:36:09,209 --> 00:36:12,545
that it would update its software
591
00:36:12,629 --> 00:36:17,801
to more closely attempt
compliance with regulatory limits,
592
00:36:17,884 --> 00:36:22,514
in fact, it was updating the
software to further its cheat?
593
00:36:24,140 --> 00:36:26,059
Objection to the form of the question.
594
00:36:26,142 --> 00:36:27,519
True?
595
00:36:27,602 --> 00:36:31,272
I would say, yes, that's true,
knowing what I know today.
596
00:36:34,693 --> 00:36:37,779
VW did not fix the
problem. Just the opposite.
597
00:36:37,862 --> 00:36:42,742
The company fixed the defeat device
to make it even better at cheating.
598
00:36:43,993 --> 00:36:45,370
Through VW's own test,
599
00:36:45,453 --> 00:36:48,289
engineers discovered that
sometimes the pollution controls
600
00:36:48,373 --> 00:36:51,209
would actually work as
advertised on the road.
601
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:54,170
But that caused wear and
tear on the exhaust system.
602
00:36:54,796 --> 00:36:58,466
So to protect the cars, VW
engineers changed the software,
603
00:36:58,550 --> 00:37:01,052
so pollution controls were shut off
604
00:37:01,136 --> 00:37:03,304
as soon as the driver
moved the steering wheel.
605
00:37:08,101 --> 00:37:10,729
You strap a vehicle onto a dynamometer
606
00:37:10,812 --> 00:37:12,689
and the front wheels never turn.
607
00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:15,900
So they looked for movement
of the front steering wheel
608
00:37:15,984 --> 00:37:18,903
and deactivated emission controls
if they found that movement.
609
00:37:19,571 --> 00:37:22,198
How could they possibly believe
610
00:37:22,282 --> 00:37:27,495
that they could go out and just
change from one egregious strategy
611
00:37:27,579 --> 00:37:30,123
to a different egregious
strategy and get away with it?
612
00:37:30,206 --> 00:37:31,833
I still don't understand that.
613
00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:35,754
That was without doubt
the stupidest thing VW did.
614
00:37:36,921 --> 00:37:40,759
The time that we wasted giving
them the benefit of the doubt,
615
00:37:40,842 --> 00:37:46,514
that's really what... what, um,
what got me, that I was, um...
616
00:37:48,725 --> 00:37:54,939
I was naïve thinking that the company
was operating, uh, in good faith
617
00:37:55,023 --> 00:37:58,485
and trying to find a solution,
because it was all wasted.
618
00:37:58,568 --> 00:38:01,946
They could've come clean from day
one and saved us a lot of trouble.
619
00:38:02,030 --> 00:38:04,532
Very systematically, we were checking...
620
00:38:04,616 --> 00:38:06,743
We thought it's this.
It's not, it's not.
621
00:38:06,826 --> 00:38:09,120
You go down and eliminate
all other options.
622
00:38:09,621 --> 00:38:12,457
The only thing remaining is
it's gotta be a defeat device.
623
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:15,150
I always thought
624
00:38:15,151 --> 00:38:20,131
that there was a good
explanation for what was happening
625
00:38:20,215 --> 00:38:21,674
and that it wasn't cheating.
626
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:25,553
And the first time that I really...
627
00:38:27,347 --> 00:38:29,243
had the feeling that something was wrong
628
00:38:29,244 --> 00:38:32,477
and cheating was very possibly happening
629
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:38,358
was when we met with the Air
Resources Board on July 8th, 2015.
630
00:38:39,108 --> 00:38:43,196
In my opinion, I would characterize
it as, uh, a pretty rough meeting.
631
00:38:43,947 --> 00:38:46,741
Lots of strong talk from the agencies.
632
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:51,287
They said, "We think
you're recognizing the FTP.
633
00:38:52,539 --> 00:38:55,792
We don't know how you're doing it,
but we're convinced you're doing it."
634
00:38:55,875 --> 00:38:58,253
Who above you,
635
00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:01,673
as far as management's concerned,
did you discuss it with?
636
00:39:03,758 --> 00:39:09,264
Well, I've discussed it a lot
with the management in Germany.
637
00:39:09,347 --> 00:39:14,435
Uh, Oliver Schmidt almost called
me immediately after the meeting,
638
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:16,688
within a day or so, saying,
639
00:39:16,771 --> 00:39:19,482
"What went on at the
meeting? How did it go?"
640
00:39:19,566 --> 00:39:22,694
I said, "It didn't go very well."
He said, "Yes, I heard that."
641
00:39:22,777 --> 00:39:23,862
I'm gonna stop you there.
642
00:39:23,945 --> 00:39:26,739
Did you ask anybody whether
or not you were cheating?
643
00:39:28,283 --> 00:39:30,451
- No, I didn't.
- Why not?
644
00:39:31,995 --> 00:39:35,540
To me, the people I was in contact with
645
00:39:35,541 --> 00:39:38,877
were the people that were deceiving me.
646
00:39:43,423 --> 00:39:46,509
When it was clear VW's
fog machine wasn't working,
647
00:39:46,593 --> 00:39:51,180
VW agreed to a series of
meetings with CARB in August 2015.
648
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:54,726
Oliver Schmidt told me
649
00:39:55,476 --> 00:40:01,107
that he was authorized
to come to the US,
650
00:40:02,066 --> 00:40:04,819
he was authorized to
meet with Alberto Ayala,
651
00:40:05,361 --> 00:40:08,114
and he was authorized
to make an admission.
652
00:40:10,575 --> 00:40:15,663
The reason VW finally came
clean is actually fairly simple.
653
00:40:16,581 --> 00:40:20,877
EPA told them that if
they didn't come clean,
654
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,769
they would not certify
any 2016 vehicles,
655
00:40:23,770 --> 00:40:25,465
including their gasoline vehicles.
656
00:40:25,548 --> 00:40:27,717
That means VW can't sell cars.
657
00:40:28,927 --> 00:40:30,553
No sales of new cars.
658
00:40:31,304 --> 00:40:33,107
There were comments made at the meeting
659
00:40:33,108 --> 00:40:36,059
that this was a financial decision.
660
00:40:36,142 --> 00:40:38,436
There was an intentional premeditated
661
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:40,271
cost-benefit analysis to cheat.
662
00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:43,650
That's what was stated in the meeting.
663
00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:49,155
So, it sounded like a pretty
strong confession to me at the time.
664
00:40:50,406 --> 00:40:54,702
Stuart did approach me and we
went aside and had a conversation,
665
00:40:54,786 --> 00:40:58,456
and that's when he admitted to
me that it was a defeat device.
666
00:40:58,539 --> 00:40:59,958
That was the first time.
667
00:41:00,041 --> 00:41:01,709
We told Mr. Ayala
668
00:41:03,002 --> 00:41:08,216
the vehicle recognizes the dyno,
it recognizes the test cycle
669
00:41:09,008 --> 00:41:13,888
and that this was a software gimmick.
670
00:41:13,972 --> 00:41:16,724
That some software had been developed
671
00:41:16,808 --> 00:41:19,185
by somebody who thought
they were smarter than you.
672
00:41:20,812 --> 00:41:25,900
I was very upset. I mean,
I was probably very, um...
673
00:41:27,402 --> 00:41:28,444
not very polite,
674
00:41:28,987 --> 00:41:34,575
and I think that Stuart probably
took most of the brunt of it
675
00:41:34,659 --> 00:41:37,161
simply because he was
the company at the time.
676
00:41:37,245 --> 00:41:38,246
But I was very upset.
677
00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:40,999
Read for me, if you
would, into the record,
678
00:41:41,082 --> 00:41:45,169
what the quotes were that
you're quoting Dr. Ayala saying
679
00:41:45,253 --> 00:41:47,922
to your conversation, if you would.
680
00:41:48,006 --> 00:41:50,717
So, his quotes are,
681
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,679
"You played us. You tried to
put a pillow over our head.
682
00:41:54,762 --> 00:41:56,529
You wasted a lot of our time and money.
683
00:41:56,530 --> 00:41:59,809
We will come after you hard on this.
684
00:41:59,892 --> 00:42:02,979
This has taken too much
time and raised expectations.
685
00:42:03,062 --> 00:42:06,858
Now it's just going to confirm what
NGOs have been saying all along.
686
00:42:07,692 --> 00:42:09,664
We will write a nasty press release.
687
00:42:09,665 --> 00:42:12,665
I don't believe your company anymore.
688
00:42:12,739 --> 00:42:16,659
This is going to be a lot of
money and you better not fight it.
689
00:42:19,162 --> 00:42:21,956
And don't give me any
shit on the midterm review
690
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,958
when I ask for more stringency."
691
00:42:27,253 --> 00:42:28,463
Thank you.
692
00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:32,675
There was tremendous pressure that
the company was putting on itself
693
00:42:32,759 --> 00:42:36,304
to really get to that point where
they wanted to be number one,
694
00:42:36,387 --> 00:42:40,058
and they basically wanted to get
there at whatever cost, and...
695
00:42:41,476 --> 00:42:42,852
now, here we are.
696
00:42:45,063 --> 00:42:46,856
Ladies and gentlemen,
697
00:42:46,939 --> 00:42:49,525
please welcome president and CEO
698
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:52,862
of Volkswagen Group of
America, Michael Horn.
699
00:42:59,535 --> 00:43:01,412
So, let's be clear about this.
700
00:43:01,496 --> 00:43:03,600
Our company was dishonest
701
00:43:03,601 --> 00:43:07,710
with the EPA and the
California Air Resources Board,
702
00:43:07,794 --> 00:43:09,337
and with all of you.
703
00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:12,548
And in my German words,
we've totally screwed up.
704
00:43:12,632 --> 00:43:17,220
The irregularities found
in our diesel engines
705
00:43:17,303 --> 00:43:21,057
are the antithesis of
everything Volkswagen stands for.
706
00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:26,020
Even I, at this point, don't
have answers to all the questions.
707
00:43:26,104 --> 00:43:30,191
But we are working diligently to
find out exactly what happened.
708
00:43:30,274 --> 00:43:31,901
Is it conceivable
709
00:43:31,984 --> 00:43:36,393
that Winterkorn didn't know
about the cheating devices?
710
00:43:36,394 --> 00:43:37,657
Is that conceivable?
711
00:43:37,740 --> 00:43:41,119
If you believe in the tooth
fairy, then it's conceivable.
712
00:43:41,202 --> 00:43:44,455
To our employees, I'd like to say,
713
00:43:44,914 --> 00:43:47,625
I know with how much dedication,
714
00:43:47,708 --> 00:43:52,004
honesty and integrity you
pursue your work day after day.
715
00:43:52,922 --> 00:43:58,594
I am well aware that much of it
has been thrown into question.
716
00:43:59,637 --> 00:44:03,558
But it would be wrong
to cast general suspicion
717
00:44:03,641 --> 00:44:07,562
on the hard and honest
work of 600,000 people
718
00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:09,414
because of the terrible
mistake made by the few.
719
00:44:09,438 --> 00:44:12,483
Dr. Winterkorn, this
happened under your watch.
720
00:44:12,567 --> 00:44:13,818
You own it.
721
00:44:14,694 --> 00:44:19,157
Don't tell me that some engineers
at some place did something wrong.
722
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:20,366
Don't tell me that.
723
00:44:20,449 --> 00:44:22,076
You have my word,
724
00:44:22,702 --> 00:44:24,327
we will do all of this with the greatest
725
00:44:24,328 --> 00:44:27,790
possible openness and transparency.
726
00:44:28,541 --> 00:44:30,293
Winterkorn denied any knowledge
727
00:44:30,376 --> 00:44:32,670
of the defeat device
or the cheating scandal,
728
00:44:32,753 --> 00:44:35,923
but he was forced to resign the
day after giving the statement.
729
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,721
The US Congress began to investigate,
with one question in mind:
730
00:44:41,804 --> 00:44:44,140
how high did the deception go?
731
00:44:44,223 --> 00:44:47,768
Raise your right hand
and I'll swear you in.
732
00:44:47,852 --> 00:44:50,897
Michael Horn was the CEO of
Volkswagen Group of America.
733
00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:52,583
Do you swear the testimony
you're about to give...
734
00:44:52,607 --> 00:44:54,327
One of the company's best salesmen,
735
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,194
he'd worked at VW for 25 years.
736
00:44:57,278 --> 00:44:58,651
I'm told that this was a decision
737
00:44:58,652 --> 00:45:00,781
made in Germany at the corporate level.
738
00:45:00,865 --> 00:45:02,158
Is that correct?
739
00:45:03,034 --> 00:45:05,286
Two answers to this.
740
00:45:05,369 --> 00:45:08,080
Um, first of all, the
investigations are ongoing,
741
00:45:08,164 --> 00:45:10,124
but this was not a corporate decision.
742
00:45:10,207 --> 00:45:13,044
From my point of view, to
my best knowledge today,
743
00:45:13,127 --> 00:45:14,754
the corporation in no board meeting
744
00:45:14,837 --> 00:45:17,548
or no supervisory board
meeting has authorized this.
745
00:45:17,632 --> 00:45:21,010
But Michael Horn knew
about the defeat device.
746
00:45:21,093 --> 00:45:23,763
A year and a half before
his testimony to Congress,
747
00:45:23,846 --> 00:45:26,599
Horn had received an
e-mail from Oliver Schmidt.
748
00:45:27,850 --> 00:45:32,021
Schmidt told Horn about the defeat
device and the likely consequences.
749
00:45:32,813 --> 00:45:36,275
"Intentional conduct equals penalties."
750
00:45:37,151 --> 00:45:40,237
In a conversation I
had with Michael Horn,
751
00:45:41,447 --> 00:45:43,343
he had mentioned that he had received
752
00:45:43,344 --> 00:45:48,412
a report from Oliver in May of 2014.
753
00:45:48,496 --> 00:45:50,706
Did he tell you what it was about?
754
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:52,416
Not in detail. No.
755
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:57,004
- Or did he tell you in summary?
- He just said that it, uh...
756
00:45:58,547 --> 00:46:04,929
raised the possibility of
cheating at that point in time.
757
00:46:05,012 --> 00:46:09,225
At that point of time, I had no
understanding what a defeat device was
758
00:46:09,308 --> 00:46:11,686
and I had no indication whatsoever
759
00:46:11,769 --> 00:46:14,355
that a defeat device could
have been in our cars.
760
00:46:14,438 --> 00:46:16,444
This was a couple of software engineers
761
00:46:16,445 --> 00:46:18,943
who put this in for whatever reasons,
762
00:46:19,026 --> 00:46:20,528
and I would also like to find out...
763
00:46:20,611 --> 00:46:24,991
That story of a small group
of engineers at Volkswagen
764
00:46:25,074 --> 00:46:29,286
doing something on their
own is unbelievable, okay?
765
00:46:29,370 --> 00:46:32,039
It's unbelievable, okay?
766
00:46:32,123 --> 00:46:36,585
At Volkswagen, if you want a
pen, you need three signatures.
767
00:46:38,796 --> 00:46:40,464
New York state took up the fight
768
00:46:40,548 --> 00:46:43,801
and launched a civil suit,
proclaiming fraud by VW.
769
00:46:43,884 --> 00:46:48,139
Today's suit and the nine-month
investigation that led to it
770
00:46:48,222 --> 00:46:51,767
are designed to hold Volkswagen
accountable for their actions
771
00:46:51,851 --> 00:46:55,187
and to make sure that
no car company again
772
00:46:55,271 --> 00:46:58,482
ever considers this type
of widespread deception.
773
00:46:58,566 --> 00:47:00,609
The individuals who
purchase cars are victims.
774
00:47:00,693 --> 00:47:03,571
Those who suffer from this
extra pollution are victims.
775
00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:06,407
So is every other company
that followed the rules
776
00:47:06,490 --> 00:47:09,452
and was trying to produce
a car complying with the law
777
00:47:09,535 --> 00:47:10,855
to meet these emission standards.
778
00:47:10,911 --> 00:47:12,210
To have these folks cheating
779
00:47:12,211 --> 00:47:15,166
and programming their
cars to commit fraud,
780
00:47:15,249 --> 00:47:17,376
in a way, their competitors
are also victims.
781
00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:19,795
We're trying to establish
a level playing field,
782
00:47:19,879 --> 00:47:21,630
that everyone has to follow the rules,
783
00:47:21,714 --> 00:47:23,174
no one is above the law
784
00:47:23,257 --> 00:47:26,343
and no level of corporate
cover-up can excuse this.
785
00:47:26,427 --> 00:47:29,638
Did you come up with
evidence that indicated
786
00:47:29,722 --> 00:47:32,266
that Winterkorn knew what was going on?
787
00:47:32,349 --> 00:47:35,269
Yeah. Going back to, I think, 2006,
788
00:47:35,352 --> 00:47:37,480
it's clear that things at
least came to his attention.
789
00:47:39,648 --> 00:47:41,396
We've reviewed millions
of pages of documents,
790
00:47:41,397 --> 00:47:42,735
thousands of internal e-mails.
791
00:47:43,944 --> 00:47:48,074
It is clear that there had been a
very frantic effort to cover this up.
792
00:47:48,657 --> 00:47:50,618
They had phony recalls,
793
00:47:50,701 --> 00:47:55,122
they looked at other penalties
against carmakers and said,
794
00:47:55,206 --> 00:47:57,458
"We can survive this sort of a penalty."
795
00:47:57,958 --> 00:48:01,128
There were signals sent, "We may
be putting a document holdout,"
796
00:48:01,212 --> 00:48:03,839
which sends a signal, maybe you
wanna destroy some documents.
797
00:48:03,923 --> 00:48:08,010
Hundreds of very high-level executives
and engineers knew about this.
798
00:48:08,094 --> 00:48:10,387
We didn't find one
e-mail from anyone saying,
799
00:48:10,471 --> 00:48:12,598
"We shouldn't do this," or,
"This is against the law,"
800
00:48:12,681 --> 00:48:14,725
or trying to put the
brakes on this system.
801
00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:18,270
So this was a corporate
culture permeated by fraud.
802
00:48:18,354 --> 00:48:22,733
Now, all of these cars are out
of the legal compliance, clearly.
803
00:48:22,817 --> 00:48:25,694
I had a phone conversation
with Michael Horn
804
00:48:25,778 --> 00:48:27,947
after I'd heard from Oliver Schmidt,
805
00:48:28,030 --> 00:48:30,741
that he's authorized
to make an admission.
806
00:48:30,825 --> 00:48:35,204
Things were looking bad,
you know, dire outcome.
807
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:38,499
So, um...
808
00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:40,584
Michael Horn called me.
809
00:48:40,668 --> 00:48:42,002
I told Mr. Horn,
810
00:48:43,087 --> 00:48:47,174
"It looks like we've been
cheating and we've been caught."
811
00:48:47,925 --> 00:48:52,471
And did Mr. Horn then immediately
issue a stop-sale order,
812
00:48:52,555 --> 00:48:57,309
to stop selling these cars that
Volkswagen had been cheating to sell?
813
00:48:57,393 --> 00:48:58,644
Not that I'm aware of, no.
814
00:48:59,436 --> 00:49:02,648
Would it be fair to say that
Michael Horn's primary focus is
815
00:49:03,816 --> 00:49:05,651
increasing sales?
816
00:49:05,734 --> 00:49:07,486
Objection. Calls for speculation.
817
00:49:07,570 --> 00:49:10,364
In respect to his position at
Volkswagen Group of America?
818
00:49:10,447 --> 00:49:11,782
Calls for speculation.
819
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,702
I would say yes.
820
00:49:19,540 --> 00:49:20,666
You know what's really great
821
00:49:20,749 --> 00:49:24,170
about the all-new 2012 Volkswagen
Passat TDI Clean Diesel?
822
00:49:24,253 --> 00:49:26,338
Not only does it provide
excellent fuel economy,
823
00:49:26,422 --> 00:49:28,424
but you'll love the performance, too.
824
00:49:28,507 --> 00:49:31,552
Delivers turbo-charged
performance and great mileage.
825
00:49:31,635 --> 00:49:35,347
Passat TDI Clean Diesel with up
to 814 highway miles per tank.
826
00:49:35,431 --> 00:49:36,724
Just one reason Volkswagen
827
00:49:36,807 --> 00:49:39,852
is the number-one selling
diesel car brand in America.
828
00:49:39,935 --> 00:49:44,273
If you want a look into the psyche,
into the thinking of a company,
829
00:49:45,191 --> 00:49:47,193
you should look at the
advertising campaign.
830
00:49:47,943 --> 00:49:50,571
The old wives' tale is funny.
831
00:49:50,654 --> 00:49:52,531
How do you like my new car?
832
00:49:52,615 --> 00:49:53,615
Isn't diesel dirty?
833
00:49:53,657 --> 00:49:55,409
Oh, say it's beautiful,
for Christ's sake.
834
00:49:55,492 --> 00:49:58,204
I think it's beautiful,
but aren't diesels dirty?
835
00:49:58,287 --> 00:49:59,287
Yeah, that's true.
836
00:50:00,539 --> 00:50:03,417
Oh, that used to be dirty. This is 2015.
837
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:05,711
No, no, no. Listen to me, Terry.
838
00:50:05,794 --> 00:50:09,465
- Diesel in Latin means dirty.
- I'll prove it to ya.
839
00:50:10,216 --> 00:50:13,177
You're gonna ruin your scarf.
Oh, look what she's doing.
840
00:50:13,260 --> 00:50:14,929
See how clean it is?
841
00:50:15,012 --> 00:50:17,157
It's not dirty, but you
still have a dirty mind.
842
00:50:17,181 --> 00:50:18,419
The audience is like, "It's very funny.
843
00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:22,978
That's the way it is." But it was a lie.
844
00:50:23,062 --> 00:50:24,688
Every time one of those ads ran,
845
00:50:24,772 --> 00:50:27,566
the executives of these companies
knew that they were telling a lie,
846
00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:30,159
and they'd sold, uh, ultimately about
847
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,695
11 million of these
cars around the world.
848
00:50:31,779 --> 00:50:33,906
That's a lot of cars, a
lot of excess pollution.
849
00:50:34,949 --> 00:50:37,243
They seemed to have a
culture in the company,
850
00:50:37,326 --> 00:50:39,328
a feeling as though
they were above the law.
851
00:50:40,829 --> 00:50:43,040
Between state and federal sanctions,
852
00:50:43,123 --> 00:50:47,127
VW was forced to pay
over $25 billion in fines,
853
00:50:47,211 --> 00:50:51,465
and to buy back over 550,000
vehicles from angry owners.
854
00:50:51,548 --> 00:50:55,386
Through lawsuits and investigations
by government regulators,
855
00:50:55,469 --> 00:50:57,265
more details would be revealed about
856
00:50:57,266 --> 00:51:00,724
VW's vast cheating campaign in the US.
857
00:51:00,808 --> 00:51:02,184
And across the ocean,
858
00:51:02,268 --> 00:51:04,645
a journalist named Hans
Koberstein uncovered
859
00:51:04,728 --> 00:51:07,773
a much more pervasive problem in Europe.
860
00:51:07,856 --> 00:51:11,652
Our main question was is
Volkswagen the only one?
861
00:51:11,735 --> 00:51:15,489
What about all the other diesel
car manufacturers in Germany?
862
00:51:15,572 --> 00:51:17,095
World leaders in diesel technology.
863
00:51:17,096 --> 00:51:19,994
Do they use illegal defeat devices, too?
864
00:51:24,873 --> 00:51:27,001
My colleagues and I decided to do a test
865
00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:32,381
to measure the emissions
on the road of German cars.
866
00:51:32,464 --> 00:51:38,095
BMW, Mercedes and a Volkswagen
with a defeat device.
867
00:51:38,178 --> 00:51:41,056
Do they poison the
air more than allowed?
868
00:51:41,932 --> 00:51:45,477
When we tried to get the portable
emission measurement system
869
00:51:45,561 --> 00:51:46,729
to do the testings,
870
00:51:47,646 --> 00:51:50,149
in this time there
were just four companies
871
00:51:50,232 --> 00:51:52,776
that offer this service in Germany.
872
00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:56,196
We called all of them and
they all of them told us,
873
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,242
"Mmm. Mmm, we don't
want to do it with you."
874
00:52:00,326 --> 00:52:04,079
Or they had no time, or they said,
"Oh, you can't do this testing."
875
00:52:04,163 --> 00:52:05,163
"Why not?"
876
00:52:05,831 --> 00:52:07,750
"You can't do this testing."
877
00:52:07,833 --> 00:52:09,585
They just didn't want to do it with us.
878
00:52:10,336 --> 00:52:14,631
Those service agencies that
offer the mobile measurements
879
00:52:14,715 --> 00:52:20,095
depend on the car industry, so they
didn't want to harm their clients.
880
00:52:20,971 --> 00:52:23,807
And so, we had to go to
Switzerland to do this testing.
881
00:52:23,891 --> 00:52:25,300
We did the same test
882
00:52:25,301 --> 00:52:27,770
on the street that we did in the lab.
883
00:52:28,479 --> 00:52:31,648
We compared how is the
car acting in the lab
884
00:52:31,732 --> 00:52:35,277
and how is the same
car acting on the road.
885
00:52:35,361 --> 00:52:39,490
And it was amazing to
see that it is dirty.
886
00:52:39,573 --> 00:52:43,535
Not just a little bit.
It is extremely dirty.
887
00:52:44,161 --> 00:52:47,122
The Volkswagen with an
illegal defeat device
888
00:52:47,206 --> 00:52:49,917
and the BMW and the Mercedes
889
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:56,799
emitted up to 400-500% higher
than during the laboratory test.
890
00:52:56,882 --> 00:53:02,221
That shows clearly that those
cars have a defeat device.
891
00:53:04,223 --> 00:53:06,934
When Hans asked the car
companies for comment,
892
00:53:07,017 --> 00:53:08,693
they responded by threatening to sue
893
00:53:08,694 --> 00:53:10,270
for hundreds of millions of dollars
894
00:53:10,354 --> 00:53:12,356
to prevent the broadcast.
895
00:53:12,439 --> 00:53:14,858
But Hans pushed forward and exposed
896
00:53:14,942 --> 00:53:19,488
not only the cheating but the way
the German government enabled it.
897
00:53:19,571 --> 00:53:24,868
Every manufacturer in Europe
is using calibration strategies
898
00:53:24,952 --> 00:53:28,163
that, in the US, would be
considered defeat devices.
899
00:53:28,831 --> 00:53:30,290
Every one of them.
900
00:53:30,791 --> 00:53:32,459
And what's really interesting here
901
00:53:32,543 --> 00:53:35,838
is that if you read the language
for what a defeat device is,
902
00:53:35,921 --> 00:53:38,298
in Europe and the US,
they're almost identical.
903
00:53:38,382 --> 00:53:41,635
Almost word for word.
So, what's going on here?
904
00:53:42,428 --> 00:53:46,932
What it really comes down to is
that there are three exceptions
905
00:53:47,015 --> 00:53:50,144
for cases in which calibration
changes are allowed.
906
00:53:50,227 --> 00:53:53,605
And one of them is for safety
and protection of the engine.
907
00:53:54,231 --> 00:53:57,818
In Europe, the manufacturers just claim,
908
00:53:57,901 --> 00:54:00,863
"Oh, I need this for
protection of the engine."
909
00:54:00,946 --> 00:54:03,824
Or, "I need this for protection
of the after-treatment system."
910
00:54:03,907 --> 00:54:07,411
And those claims go unchallenged.
911
00:54:08,620 --> 00:54:10,306
The understanding of
the German government
912
00:54:10,330 --> 00:54:14,209
is defeat devices are generally allowed
913
00:54:14,751 --> 00:54:18,172
because there's an exemption
to protect the engines.
914
00:54:18,255 --> 00:54:19,882
Any engine must be protected,
915
00:54:19,965 --> 00:54:23,427
so all the defeat devices we
know in diesel cars are allowed.
916
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:28,056
That's the interpretation of the
German government and it is absurd.
917
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:30,368
It seems crazy that the
German government cares more
918
00:54:30,392 --> 00:54:33,020
about protecting engines
than human beings.
919
00:54:33,103 --> 00:54:37,983
- Is it this way throughout Europe?
- Well, the primary issue in Europe
920
00:54:38,066 --> 00:54:40,142
isn't so much their requirements which,
921
00:54:40,143 --> 00:54:43,071
for the most part, are world-class.
922
00:54:43,155 --> 00:54:46,283
But Europe does tend to have
a problem with enforcement.
923
00:54:46,366 --> 00:54:49,828
The standards are set at the
European level for all the countries.
924
00:54:49,912 --> 00:54:54,082
But enforcement is done at
the individual country level.
925
00:54:54,166 --> 00:54:56,540
Further, every country agrees
926
00:54:56,541 --> 00:55:00,088
to accept enforcement
in every other country.
927
00:55:00,756 --> 00:55:04,176
So this leads to a situation which
the manufacturers go shopping.
928
00:55:04,259 --> 00:55:07,221
Which country is going to
do the least enforcement?
929
00:55:08,263 --> 00:55:10,516
In Europe, it's a
game of musical chairs.
930
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:12,935
If enforcement is too
strict in France or Finland,
931
00:55:13,018 --> 00:55:15,020
try Luxembourg or Malta.
932
00:55:15,103 --> 00:55:17,981
They may need the money or
factories that might be built,
933
00:55:18,065 --> 00:55:21,193
so they're willing to look the
other way when companies cheat.
934
00:55:31,245 --> 00:55:34,957
Companies often claim they can't
improve safety or pollution controls
935
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,084
or they'd go out of business.
936
00:55:37,167 --> 00:55:39,670
For VW, the situation is
even more prone to corruption.
937
00:55:39,753 --> 00:55:42,106
The German province of Lower Saxony
938
00:55:42,107 --> 00:55:45,676
actually owns 20% of VW's voting stock.
939
00:55:45,759 --> 00:55:47,219
Given that fact,
940
00:55:47,302 --> 00:55:51,473
is it likely that Lower Saxony will
conduct a thorough investigation
941
00:55:51,557 --> 00:55:53,767
of its biggest profit center?
942
00:55:53,850 --> 00:55:57,479
The government covered
the car companies.
943
00:55:57,563 --> 00:56:00,148
Why? Because of its jobs.
944
00:56:00,232 --> 00:56:03,694
They're very worried if
people are out of a job
945
00:56:03,777 --> 00:56:08,532
because then they're lining
up outside of the agencies
946
00:56:08,615 --> 00:56:10,784
and collect money and they
vote them out of power.
947
00:56:10,867 --> 00:56:14,288
Any national government
in Europe has the problem
948
00:56:14,371 --> 00:56:16,832
if it has a national car industry.
949
00:56:16,915 --> 00:56:19,543
"Oh, how are we going to
deal with this problem?"
950
00:56:19,626 --> 00:56:24,006
They all think, "Mmm, better not
to harm our national car industry,"
951
00:56:24,089 --> 00:56:28,051
because they can only enforce the
law for their own car industry,
952
00:56:28,135 --> 00:56:31,597
not for the German or French
one, just for the British one.
953
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,891
And so, any national
government is thinking,
954
00:56:34,975 --> 00:56:39,896
"Should I harm my national
car industry if others won't?
955
00:56:39,980 --> 00:56:43,483
No, I will not do
this. I am not stupid."
956
00:56:44,818 --> 00:56:47,988
And they are still selling dirty cars.
957
00:56:49,072 --> 00:56:52,034
To this day, despite the VW scandal,
958
00:56:52,117 --> 00:56:54,027
car manufacturers are selling dirty cars
959
00:56:54,028 --> 00:56:56,079
throughout Europe and the world.
960
00:56:56,455 --> 00:56:59,833
It always sounds good to
say, "We need the jobs."
961
00:56:59,917 --> 00:57:02,628
But what if you were offered
a job at an assembly line
962
00:57:02,711 --> 00:57:07,215
to make products that killed
people? Would you take that job?
963
00:57:10,761 --> 00:57:12,554
What's going on in Europe?
964
00:57:12,638 --> 00:57:16,099
They have these plans for how
they're going to reduce air pollution,
965
00:57:16,183 --> 00:57:19,269
and they've had these for 10, 20 years.
966
00:57:20,187 --> 00:57:22,856
They made projections about
what's gonna happen in the future.
967
00:57:22,940 --> 00:57:27,027
They have not been meeting their
projections for ambient air quality.
968
00:57:27,653 --> 00:57:31,239
The pollutants in the air are
higher than they've always projected,
969
00:57:31,865 --> 00:57:33,784
and now we finally know why.
970
00:57:35,869 --> 00:57:39,539
The one thing that the governments
in Europe did after the VW scandals,
971
00:57:39,623 --> 00:57:41,291
they did a lot of testing.
972
00:57:41,375 --> 00:57:45,754
So we have in-use tests on
over 150 vehicles in Europe now,
973
00:57:45,837 --> 00:57:46,755
and it's clear.
974
00:57:46,838 --> 00:57:50,092
The diesels in Europe are
six or seven times dirtier
975
00:57:50,175 --> 00:57:51,468
than the standards allow.
976
00:57:52,552 --> 00:57:56,515
So the ambient air quality
in every city in Europe
977
00:57:56,598 --> 00:57:58,684
is worse than it should've been,
978
00:57:58,767 --> 00:58:02,229
and this is having health
impacts and premature deaths.
979
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:08,151
In Germany, it's more than
10,000 premature deaths per year
980
00:58:08,235 --> 00:58:11,196
only due to nitrogen dioxide.
981
00:58:11,989 --> 00:58:14,908
That's much more than we have
982
00:58:14,992 --> 00:58:19,329
in losses and deaths
due to traffic accidents.
983
00:58:21,832 --> 00:58:25,752
I am living in Berlin
for almost 20 years now,
984
00:58:25,836 --> 00:58:28,338
and I am living in a
zone where it's green.
985
00:58:28,422 --> 00:58:33,719
Lot of trees, parks. There's
a lake, there's little traffic.
986
00:58:34,594 --> 00:58:37,139
We did measurements on
the road where I live
987
00:58:38,348 --> 00:58:44,688
and those measurements showed
that the levels of nitrogen dioxide
988
00:58:44,771 --> 00:58:50,193
are much higher than the average
annual limit that is legally allowed.
989
00:58:53,071 --> 00:58:55,490
I wouldn't have ever expected that.
990
00:58:55,574 --> 00:58:57,034
That's really a huge problem.
991
00:58:57,117 --> 00:59:01,663
We think we have an air pollution
problem wherever we see many cars
992
00:59:01,747 --> 00:59:04,583
and wherever many cars
are driving at the moment.
993
00:59:05,333 --> 00:59:07,586
But the problem of nitrogen dioxide is
994
00:59:07,669 --> 00:59:11,506
that's even there where you do
not expect it to be in the cities.
995
00:59:11,590 --> 00:59:13,217
We did measurements in a kindergarten
996
00:59:13,218 --> 00:59:15,635
that's very close to where I'm living.
997
00:59:16,762 --> 00:59:21,266
The levels within the kindergarten
were above the legal limits.
998
00:59:22,976 --> 00:59:25,729
The German car companies didn't
want their customers to know
999
00:59:25,812 --> 00:59:28,190
how harmful were their diesel cars.
1000
00:59:28,815 --> 00:59:31,943
VW, in particular, wanted to fight back.
1001
00:59:32,027 --> 00:59:34,905
To show the benefits
of clean diesel cars,
1002
00:59:34,988 --> 00:59:39,659
VW embarked on a plan to do
their own tests on human beings.
1003
00:59:42,662 --> 00:59:47,501
Step 1: Establish a phony
research company called EUGT,
1004
00:59:47,584 --> 00:59:53,507
funded by VW, Mercedes and BMW, to
study the effects of diesel exhaust.
1005
00:59:54,424 --> 00:59:56,510
This secret plan to fool the public
1006
00:59:56,593 --> 01:00:00,097
was uncovered by a lawyer
representing angry American consumers.
1007
01:00:01,556 --> 01:00:07,771
So, EUGT, the fake nonprofit,
pays approximately $730,000
1008
01:00:07,854 --> 01:00:12,984
to a company called Lovelace
Respiratory Research Institute, LRRI,
1009
01:00:13,068 --> 01:00:14,778
to conduct a study.
1010
01:00:14,861 --> 01:00:19,116
The purpose of the study,
purportedly, was to attempt to show
1011
01:00:19,199 --> 01:00:21,576
that the new diesel
technology represented
1012
01:00:21,660 --> 01:00:25,539
by these Volkswagen TDI
Clean Diesel vehicles
1013
01:00:25,622 --> 01:00:29,209
was much more environmentally friendly
than the old diesel technology.
1014
01:00:29,292 --> 01:00:31,962
It would not result in
the type of health problems
1015
01:00:32,045 --> 01:00:35,340
that diesel exhausts from old
diesel technology would create.
1016
01:00:35,966 --> 01:00:37,968
And the person that was
in charge of that study
1017
01:00:38,051 --> 01:00:40,470
was a guy by the name
of Dr. Jake McDonald,
1018
01:00:40,554 --> 01:00:43,056
whose deposition I just recently took.
1019
01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:45,600
Did you ever have any information that
1020
01:00:45,684 --> 01:00:48,465
any of the monies that you all received
1021
01:00:48,466 --> 01:00:50,564
to do the study came from Volkswagen?
1022
01:00:51,356 --> 01:00:54,943
I presumed that because Volkswagen
was a contributing member of EUGT
1023
01:00:55,026 --> 01:00:56,626
that they contributed
money to the study.
1024
01:00:56,695 --> 01:00:58,155
But I didn't know...
1025
01:00:58,238 --> 01:01:04,161
I had no details in terms of
who contributed what amount.
1026
01:01:04,661 --> 01:01:07,038
All I knew was the
contract was with EUGT.
1027
01:01:07,122 --> 01:01:11,543
So, the setup happens
in Lovelace's laboratory
1028
01:01:11,626 --> 01:01:12,919
in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
1029
01:01:14,254 --> 01:01:17,465
They procure a dyno
to run these cars on.
1030
01:01:17,549 --> 01:01:21,720
That dyno was selected by
none other than Stuart Johnson,
1031
01:01:21,803 --> 01:01:25,640
and personally delivered
there to the LRRI facilities.
1032
01:01:26,266 --> 01:01:32,522
You had involvement in
assisting with this study.
1033
01:01:33,815 --> 01:01:34,858
True?
1034
01:01:35,567 --> 01:01:37,068
Limited involvement.
1035
01:01:37,736 --> 01:01:41,740
Stuart Johnson wasn't the
only VW executive involved.
1036
01:01:41,823 --> 01:01:44,201
James Liang, a German engineer
1037
01:01:44,284 --> 01:01:46,745
who helped with the development
of the defeat device,
1038
01:01:46,828 --> 01:01:48,997
also helped shape the study.
1039
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:55,462
James Liang personally
delivered a TDI 2013 red Beetle
1040
01:01:55,545 --> 01:01:57,631
for purposes of doing this testing.
1041
01:01:58,340 --> 01:02:01,301
Volkswagen USA insisted
1042
01:02:01,384 --> 01:02:07,307
that James Liang be given
real-time access to LRRI's data.
1043
01:02:08,516 --> 01:02:13,521
Is it unusual for a
manufacturer to require
1044
01:02:13,605 --> 01:02:17,651
real-time monitoring of what
is happening in your study?
1045
01:02:17,734 --> 01:02:19,277
Objection. Vague.
1046
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:21,655
Calls for speculation.
1047
01:02:24,783 --> 01:02:26,201
Um...
1048
01:02:27,994 --> 01:02:31,414
It's the first time that
I've experienced that.
1049
01:02:31,498 --> 01:02:34,376
In your entire career, this
has never happened previously?
1050
01:02:34,459 --> 01:02:35,543
Correct.
1051
01:02:35,627 --> 01:02:38,213
That was necessary to ensure
1052
01:02:38,296 --> 01:02:42,425
that these so-called clean diesel
vehicles would run in test mode
1053
01:02:42,509 --> 01:02:47,347
and produce the fraudulent emissions for
purposes of this fake scientific research.
1054
01:02:48,848 --> 01:02:51,977
What they're doing at the same time
is they're attempting to compare
1055
01:02:52,060 --> 01:02:55,563
their so-called new
technology with old technology.
1056
01:02:55,647 --> 01:03:01,736
So they are running a 2004
Ford F-250 on the dyno also.
1057
01:03:02,696 --> 01:03:06,199
In the original draft, the
original proposal, the study,
1058
01:03:06,283 --> 01:03:10,370
they were actually going to have a
human sitting on an exercise bike.
1059
01:03:10,453 --> 01:03:13,498
There's actually a diagram
of this in the proposal
1060
01:03:13,581 --> 01:03:16,668
where a human participant would
sit riding an exercise bike.
1061
01:03:16,751 --> 01:03:21,756
They would then be exposed to gas
directly from the diesel vehicles.
1062
01:03:23,049 --> 01:03:26,886
And then, they would poke and prod
that person later to determine, uh,
1063
01:03:26,970 --> 01:03:29,931
what type of health effects
1064
01:03:30,015 --> 01:03:33,935
they would see from
this person being gassed.
1065
01:03:34,561 --> 01:03:41,109
Were you involved in discussions
about doing this study on humans?
1066
01:03:42,777 --> 01:03:46,614
- Yes.
- In retrospect, does that seem...
1067
01:03:47,991 --> 01:03:49,659
ridiculous?
1068
01:03:49,743 --> 01:03:52,829
Objection. Calls for speculation.
1069
01:03:53,663 --> 01:03:56,624
In retrospect, the
optics aren't very good.
1070
01:04:01,463 --> 01:04:06,885
Obviously, one cannot help to think back
1071
01:04:06,968 --> 01:04:10,972
throughout history of
another series of events
1072
01:04:11,056 --> 01:04:14,434
involving individuals being gassed
1073
01:04:14,517 --> 01:04:19,272
by a person who was
actually at the opening
1074
01:04:19,356 --> 01:04:21,399
of the very first Volkswagen factory
1075
01:04:22,067 --> 01:04:26,279
and gave a speech there in
connection with that opening.
1076
01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:33,787
Did you recommend against
doing this study on humans?
1077
01:04:34,954 --> 01:04:36,664
Um...
1078
01:04:38,333 --> 01:04:39,709
I don't recall.
1079
01:04:39,793 --> 01:04:46,383
I know that, um, David Geanacopoulos
was involved in the discussion,
1080
01:04:46,466 --> 01:04:48,301
and he didn't like the idea.
1081
01:04:50,845 --> 01:04:55,100
But VW did not abandon
the idea of the experiment.
1082
01:04:55,183 --> 01:04:59,020
Someone suggested that the
test be performed on NHPs.
1083
01:04:59,104 --> 01:05:01,564
Non-human primates.
1084
01:05:35,348 --> 01:05:37,183
They set up tubing
1085
01:05:37,267 --> 01:05:41,312
from the back of the tailpipe
up through the ceiling.
1086
01:05:44,232 --> 01:05:47,026
The gas would then come
down into the chamber.
1087
01:05:52,782 --> 01:05:55,577
These monkeys have been
trained to watch TV,
1088
01:05:55,660 --> 01:05:56,911
and so what they would do
1089
01:05:56,995 --> 01:06:00,081
is they would actually
play for them cartoons
1090
01:06:00,165 --> 01:06:02,125
and have them watch cartoons.
1091
01:06:10,383 --> 01:06:11,950
After they would've been exposed
1092
01:06:11,951 --> 01:06:14,095
to the TDI Clean Diesel gases,
1093
01:06:14,179 --> 01:06:18,808
they're then subsequently exposing
them to the Ford F-250 gases.
1094
01:06:22,812 --> 01:06:26,232
The nitrogen oxide and
other particles of exhaust
1095
01:06:26,316 --> 01:06:28,610
that would be coming out of this F-250
1096
01:06:28,693 --> 01:06:32,197
are very, very dirty, and
very noxious, very harmful.
1097
01:06:38,286 --> 01:06:40,126
Wake up! Where's everybody going?
1098
01:06:41,873 --> 01:06:44,459
The monkey would be exposed to that gas
1099
01:06:44,542 --> 01:06:46,961
for a three- or
four-hour period of time,
1100
01:06:47,045 --> 01:06:50,798
after which time they would take the
monkey back to a separate facility
1101
01:06:50,882 --> 01:06:53,468
and test it, taking blood samples.
1102
01:06:54,177 --> 01:06:56,471
They would stick a tube
down the monkey's throat,
1103
01:06:56,554 --> 01:07:00,058
in order to scrub samples from
inside of the monkey's lungs.
1104
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,134
Do you know what happened to the monkeys
1105
01:07:17,158 --> 01:07:20,036
after the testing was completed?
1106
01:07:20,537 --> 01:07:22,017
We didn't ship them to Volkswagen,
1107
01:07:22,018 --> 01:07:24,415
if that's what you're asking.
1108
01:07:24,499 --> 01:07:26,584
They... We...
1109
01:07:27,377 --> 01:07:29,254
I don't recall. My... We...
1110
01:07:29,337 --> 01:07:34,842
It was a non-terminal study, so
the animals were not euthanized
1111
01:07:34,926 --> 01:07:39,639
to be able to look at any sort
of more invasive responses. So...
1112
01:07:39,722 --> 01:07:42,433
When Dr. McDonald realized
1113
01:07:42,517 --> 01:07:46,604
that these emissions that he
tested were, in fact, fraudulent,
1114
01:07:46,688 --> 01:07:47,774
and that he had been duped
1115
01:07:47,775 --> 01:07:51,314
and set up to be used
by Volkswagen as a pawn,
1116
01:07:52,277 --> 01:07:55,363
he said that this report
cannot be published.
1117
01:07:58,700 --> 01:08:03,454
You know, there is a concern,
obviously, amongst Volkswagen that,
1118
01:08:03,538 --> 01:08:07,709
if a jury were to ever hear
about any of this stuff,
1119
01:08:07,792 --> 01:08:11,713
that could really impact
the verdict in this case,
1120
01:08:11,796 --> 01:08:15,383
and, in fact, Volkswagen has
filed a motion with the court,
1121
01:08:15,466 --> 01:08:19,220
specifically asking the court to
exclude any mention of any of this.
1122
01:08:24,225 --> 01:08:26,227
Today, the Department of Justice,
1123
01:08:26,311 --> 01:08:28,229
the Environmental Protection Agency
1124
01:08:28,313 --> 01:08:30,648
and the US Customs and Border Protection
1125
01:08:30,732 --> 01:08:33,735
have reached a global
resolution with Volkswagen
1126
01:08:33,818 --> 01:08:37,739
that carries both criminal
and civil penalties.
1127
01:08:37,822 --> 01:08:39,918
As part of this resolution,
1128
01:08:39,919 --> 01:08:42,785
Volkswagen is pleading
guilty to three felonies.
1129
01:08:42,869 --> 01:08:47,081
Conspiracy to defraud the United
States, to commit wire fraud,
1130
01:08:47,165 --> 01:08:50,543
and to violate the Clean Air
Act, obstruction of justice,
1131
01:08:50,627 --> 01:08:53,588
and importation of goods
by false statements.
1132
01:08:55,673 --> 01:08:59,969
In January 2017, James
Liang pled guilty to fraud
1133
01:09:00,053 --> 01:09:02,680
and was sentenced to
40 months in prison.
1134
01:09:02,764 --> 01:09:07,018
Oliver Schmidt was arrested in
Miami after a Caribbean vacation,
1135
01:09:07,101 --> 01:09:09,687
just as he was about to
board a flight to Germany.
1136
01:09:10,563 --> 01:09:12,690
In August of 2017,
1137
01:09:12,774 --> 01:09:16,110
he pled guilty to conspiracy
to defraud the government.
1138
01:09:16,194 --> 01:09:19,572
He was one of six VW
executives indicted by the US.
1139
01:09:20,948 --> 01:09:24,452
Did anybody ever instruct
you during this timeframe
1140
01:09:24,535 --> 01:09:26,412
to basically keep your mouth shut?
1141
01:09:26,496 --> 01:09:29,374
I don't recall that.
1142
01:09:35,380 --> 01:09:37,215
He said that's not a "no."
1143
01:09:38,299 --> 01:09:39,717
I don't remember.
1144
01:09:39,801 --> 01:09:43,888
You're aware that Oliver
Schmidt recently pled guilty
1145
01:09:43,971 --> 01:09:46,349
to a felony in federal court
in Michigan, are you not?
1146
01:09:46,432 --> 01:09:47,934
I'm aware of that.
1147
01:09:48,017 --> 01:09:50,478
As of September 2017,
1148
01:09:50,561 --> 01:09:53,314
Stuart Johnson has not
been charged with a crime.
1149
01:09:53,398 --> 01:09:56,192
There are indications that he
may be a cooperating witness
1150
01:09:56,275 --> 01:09:58,736
for the ongoing federal investigation.
1151
01:09:59,696 --> 01:10:04,200
Michael Horn resigned from VW
in 2016 and returned to Germany.
1152
01:10:05,368 --> 01:10:09,080
Martin Winterkorn remains untouched
by the criminal investigation.
1153
01:10:10,957 --> 01:10:12,834
Outside of Germany, other carmakers,
1154
01:10:12,917 --> 01:10:14,810
including GM and Fiat Chrysler,
1155
01:10:14,811 --> 01:10:17,839
have been accused of
using defeat devices.
1156
01:10:17,922 --> 01:10:22,051
But even after all the fines, the
criminal charges and the scandals,
1157
01:10:22,135 --> 01:10:26,514
VW realized its dream of becoming
the world's largest carmaker.
1158
01:10:29,934 --> 01:10:33,146
At the same time, with the
election of President Trump,
1159
01:10:33,229 --> 01:10:34,456
the federal government declared
1160
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:36,607
that corporate profits
would now be more important
1161
01:10:36,691 --> 01:10:38,609
than protecting the environment.
1162
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:45,783
In order to fulfill my solemn duty
to protect America and its citizens,
1163
01:10:46,868 --> 01:10:49,954
the United States will withdraw
1164
01:10:51,706 --> 01:10:56,210
from the Paris Climate Accord.
1165
01:11:01,507 --> 01:11:02,800
Thank you.
1166
01:11:02,884 --> 01:11:06,179
This announcement made
the US, Syria and Nicaragua
1167
01:11:06,262 --> 01:11:07,762
the only three nations on Earth
1168
01:11:07,763 --> 01:11:09,974
to abandon the effort to
prevent global warming.
1169
01:11:12,769 --> 01:11:14,455
The Trump administration
has also threatened
1170
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,273
to undermine CARB in California,
1171
01:11:17,356 --> 01:11:20,485
because of CARB's strict
air-pollution controls.
1172
01:11:20,818 --> 01:11:22,904
When you look at a
state like California,
1173
01:11:22,987 --> 01:11:25,531
we have goals for 2030 and 2050.
1174
01:11:25,615 --> 01:11:27,408
You know, long-term goals.
1175
01:11:27,492 --> 01:11:28,951
We need to start thinking now
1176
01:11:29,035 --> 01:11:31,829
and laying out ideas for
how we're gonna get there.
1177
01:11:33,748 --> 01:11:36,417
It's hard for people to
remember now, New York,
1178
01:11:36,501 --> 01:11:38,061
when the smog problem, caused by NOx...
1179
01:11:38,085 --> 01:11:40,838
It's exactly the stuff that was
being emitted from these cars.
1180
01:11:40,922 --> 01:11:43,174
It was really bad back
in the '60s and '70s.
1181
01:11:43,257 --> 01:11:45,345
It was a city where
people would get sick,
1182
01:11:45,346 --> 01:11:47,303
people would die from the smog.
1183
01:11:48,513 --> 01:11:50,774
So, this is something we spent decades
1184
01:11:50,775 --> 01:11:52,141
in the United States trying to clean up.
1185
01:11:52,225 --> 01:11:53,893
We've had great success.
1186
01:11:53,976 --> 01:11:57,313
The American people don't
want to undo the regulations.
1187
01:11:57,396 --> 01:11:59,941
State environmental laws are
a very important backstop.
1188
01:12:00,024 --> 01:12:02,026
The federalist system was designed
1189
01:12:02,109 --> 01:12:05,696
so that states can fill in if
the federal government does not.
1190
01:12:05,780 --> 01:12:09,575
That's why we're pushing so
hard on some of these policies,
1191
01:12:09,659 --> 01:12:14,247
because this is really about
impacting on people's lives.
1192
01:12:28,511 --> 01:12:30,930
When my wife turned in our car,
1193
01:12:31,013 --> 01:12:34,433
it was sent to an asphalt
graveyard for VW's dirty diesels
1194
01:12:34,517 --> 01:12:37,103
in the shadow of the old
Detroit Lions stadium.
1195
01:12:38,771 --> 01:12:40,982
From here, according to the company,
1196
01:12:41,065 --> 01:12:44,193
they will either be fixed,
recycled or destroyed.
1197
01:12:47,697 --> 01:12:49,323
Every car in the lot represents
1198
01:12:49,407 --> 01:12:52,535
the sum of an economic
calculation made by the company
1199
01:12:52,618 --> 01:12:54,412
between risk and reward.
1200
01:12:54,954 --> 01:12:58,499
In that way, VW is not so
different from other companies.
1201
01:12:58,583 --> 01:13:01,252
They see themselves as
financial abstractions,
1202
01:13:01,335 --> 01:13:06,173
pressured by competition to build
models on profit, loss and market share.
1203
01:13:07,049 --> 01:13:09,886
But when many of us think
of the lungs of our children,
1204
01:13:09,969 --> 01:13:13,055
scarred by NOx fumes that
could have been contained,
1205
01:13:13,139 --> 01:13:16,350
we wonder if the equation is
missing an important variable.
1206
01:13:17,351 --> 01:13:21,689
How to balance the cost of a car
with the value of a human life?
1207
01:13:37,998 --> 01:13:42,998
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